Sturmgever and plumbing

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Sturmgever and plumbing

Dima Okhotnikov birthday.
- How difficult it is, Broom, how subtle it is!
- Still would!
- What is the clarity of thinking! And it's all?!
Erofeev, Moscow - Petushki


In love psychiatry, a phenomenon is known when the subject of adoration is endowed with some positive qualities or supernatural properties that are not really present. A similar phenomenon is inherent in gun fetishism. For example, from the magical powers of “Escalibur” (King Arthur’s sword) to the “advanced ergonomics” of a sturmgever. About him and talk. Rather, about one detail, referred to in a particular environment as a "gas regulator".

One shooter from the sturgevever, among other advantages of this weapons, remembered the remarkable work of the "gas regulator", tested in various temperature conditions. The test program and test report, of course, are classified and mere mortals are not available. Let's try to figure it out for yourself.

For a start, take a look at the official "gebrauhsanlätung". Under the number 6b, this part is called “dichtungshrauben”, which in the terminology of domestic plumbers means nothing more than a “plug”. That is, the usual tube with a threaded connection for the blind overlap holes. In the sturmgever itself, there is at least a distance of at least 7 mm from the cut-off of the stopper to the “overlapping gas discharge” opening of the gas chamber, so that there can be no “regulation” by changing the section of the gas outlet. The sole purpose of this part is to provide periodic access to the cavity of the gas chamber for cleaning.

Obviously, the exaltation of the usual tube to the degree of "gas regulator" was played by its location, the presence of a visible threaded section, the hole for the rod for ease of loosening and the shadow of the gloomy Teutonic genius. But.

Any student who is not a student of a locksmith at the top three will immediately say that there should not be clean screw connections in mechanical engineering in principle. There must be a device for anti-loosening (kontreniya), at least in the form of Grover’s washer, and on such vibrodynamically tense products as weapons, no washers help. Most often, a device is made in the form of a spring-loaded pin - retainer, as is done in AK-74 for the muzzle brake-compensator. By the way, all the gas regulators on the weapon are discrete, that is, two-, three-position with rigid fixation. But the last question arises, if this is so, then where is the retainer for this part on the sturmgevere? Unfortunately, a difficult question for the current descendants of the representatives of the once most reading nation. Now for this you have to turn to plumber Uncle Vasya. He will answer with a shrug: "Normal tapered thread, GOST 6211-81". Yes, tapered threads have two remarkable properties - self-locking and sealing. This thread is used mainly only in plumbing, and its use on weapons is of academic interest, since it is not possible to check practically how it actually worked. Elongation on the cork serves only one purpose - ease of unscrewing. The tightening and initial loosening of the cork was done by an auxiliary rod - “lezdorny”, since the reliability of the contraction was ensured by a tightening force, and further unscrewing was done by lengthening the stub. Ergonomics. But how!

Remark.There is another interesting argument about the threaded connection. If the thread is not tapered, then micro gaps remain in the thread, into which gases with carbon particles are pushed. If you turn the cork back and forth, then over time the thread will be erased to such an extent that such a cork will be knocked out from the first shot along with the bullet.

I think everything is clear with Stg-44, although we will come back to it. But there is still Mkb-42 (H). Did it never occur to anyone that for a gas regulator or for a simple stub such a design - in the form of a pipe from the gas chamber to the base of the front sight - looks too cumbersome? For a weapon that doesn’t fit in with the requirements of the technical specification, the array of such a pipe looks ridiculous. By the way, here you are - the lock is in place.



In the technical description and the manual for Mkb-42 (H), which Handrich gives, the pipe between the gas chamber and the base of the front sight is called “dihtungsshraube”, i.e. ordinary plug. Here is such an interesting ending in the evolution of this detail:



It is possible, of course, to be ironic, but there is a moment of “respect” in it. The latest version of the plug was made by powder metallurgy!

Something became boring. Let's talk about the beauty of the engineering solution. But first about physics. Here is what happens in the gas chamber of Stg-44:

Gases from the gas outlet with great speed collide with a transverse barrier - the wall of the gas chamber. The speed of the carbon particles falls to zero. Since the movement of gases will be directed towards the moving piston, these particles will be emitted along with the pressure into the atmosphere. And those particles, which will be at the wall of the plug at point A, will gradually accumulate, forming a cluster on the surface of the chamber and the plug, which eventually closes the gas outlet, with all the ensuing consequences. But the solution in the Kalashnikov assault rifle:



Gases from the gas outlet hole meet with a barrier not at a right angle, which means that the velocity of the carbon particles does not fall to zero, and the settling on the walls occurs less. In addition, the impact of the gas jet is directed directly into the piston, and not into the chamber wall. This means that the energy of gases directed to the operation of automation is saved. When one answer solves several problems, this is a sign of the beauty of an engineering solution. That is, the designer has talent. Well, or genius, if you want.

Question. Did Schmeisser know about such an engineering solution, and why did he not use it in his sturmgevere? I can say with a high percentage of confidence that I knew. Justification of such reasoning a little later. Why not applied to Stg-44? Here is one possible explanation. At the request of the customer, the attacker had to be equipped with a mortar for throwing grenades. The energy for throwing grenades was developed by a special cartridge from the firm Polte.



Since part of the energy of the powder gases was spent on the work of the automation, it was proposed to use a two-position plug, which, when working with a grenade launcher, blocked the gas outlet.



The principle of operation of such a stub is clear from a photo courtesy of Dieter Handrich. Due to complexity, this technical solution was rejected.

Please note: the taper of the thread is clearly visible on the standard plug. Clearly. So, perhaps, only because of the customer’s desire to have a mortar on the sturmgever, the characteristic oblique profile of the gas chamber did not appear on it. Then the attacker would be even more like AK and (oh, mom!) Our brother would have taken extra care to wipe the foam from the mouth of zealous supporters of the Kalashnikov version of plagiarism with Stg-44.

so what? The merit of Kalashnikov is that he invented the inclined gas outlet in the machine? Not. This solution was found before Mikhail Timofeevich. Perhaps the first to use it was Vaclav Holek in the ZB-26 - sixteen years before the sturmgever.



But. In the Kholek machine gun, the barrel was drilled perpendicularly (and you try to drill with a drill at an angle at least a mop handle), and the inclination of the gas stream was made in the gas chamber itself. But the inclined drilling in the barrel at an angle, providing the direction of gases directly into the piston - it seems, for the first time, it was in AK. Although I do not presume to judge, maybe it was somewhere else. But the point is not the first time - not the first. This is not a sport. Here it does not matter to whom the first thought occurred, it is important who brought it to mind. And in order to bring this thought to mind, it was necessary to solve more than one problem. It was necessary to remove the drill bit when drilling on a round surface, it was necessary to bring the drill exactly to the bottom of the slit (it is impossible to cut into the slit field, it will shoot the bullet), it is necessary to ensure accurate fit of the chamber, ensuring alignment of the holes of the barrel and chamber. And it should be done in such a way that it all costs as cheap as possible. All these issues were resolved at the Izhevsk Motor Plant in 1948, in the manufacture of an experimental batch for military trials.

Just before this (feat?), You can silently take off your hats and simply and modestly pay tribute to the chief designer, under whose leadership these tasks were solved, and to all those engineers and workers who participated in it. And all the arguments about the "genius", "predestination" and "fundamentality" let's leave the kitchen experts and sofa analysts.

Here is what A. A. Malimon writes in his book about that time: “The longstanding practice of domestic arms production shows that in the past it was not always possible to achieve a successful result during
production development of new weapons. The Simonov machine guns (RPS-46), serially produced in 1945-1946, did not manage to achieve satisfactory work of box magazines for rifle cartridge with protruding lip of the sleeve (Inventory 11007PR-48). Degtyarev machine gun (DS-39) was even put into service, but due to the presence of serious design flaws that reduce the reliability of the system, it was already replaced during the war with the Goryunov machine gun (SG-43), which also overcame the thorny path during mastering in mass production. The Tokarev self-loading rifle (SVT-40) also failed the test of time. The success of the case in many cases was determined by the level of technical rationality of the chosen weapon design scheme and the presence in it of reserves for further improvement. ”

Sorry, I forgot to explain why Schmeisser could not be unaware of the inclined gas outlet according to the scheme applied by Cholek in his machine gun. Here is the locking scheme in the ZB-26:



Does she remind you of anything?

(c) Kulikov Andrey, Izhevsk, 17.06.2014.

Acknowledgment: Timofeev Andrey.

References:
Malimon A. А. Domestic automata (notes of the tester-gunsmith).
Blagonravov, A. A. (ed.). The material part of small arms.
Handrich Dieter. Sturmgewehr-44.


Dear Readers, Thanks to outside help, I was able to acquire several foreign books on weapons-related topics. I was amazed by the wealth and quality of the material. In particular, only the German patron 7,92х33 has written a whole book by the respected Dr. Dieter Capel on the 400 pages. And even on these pages I did not find the information that is very important and interesting for me and for you. Although interesting and informative in this book - above the roof. For example, Polte's experiments in creating two-round cartridges, steel bullets and caseless (!) Ammunition.

And a terrible worm envy struck me. Envy of the fact that someone has access to information resources can afford to work quietly in this topic and, bringing together facts, enjoy discoveries. It cannot be said that our national literature is lagging behind in this. There are many good books and articles, but they all suffer from one-sided presentation of the material. And, as a result, if a historian writes a book, it allows for terrible technical mistakes. If you write a techie, then you start to fall asleep on the third page. If this is a memoir, then a certain part of the population immediately has doubts about the credibility and sincerity of the author. So I decided what I would do after retirement.

Thank you.
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  1. +5
    17 June 2014 09: 23
    our brother would take unnecessary worries about rubbing foam from the mouth of zealous supporters of the version of plagiarism Kalashnikov with Stg-44
    And whether it is necessary?
    D.u.r.a.ka. (wee-wee-wee) only (again wee-wee)
    Tanks and planes are so listen to them, it seems so!
    About the difference, at least in the locking of the shutter - "the shutter will warp, it will not shoot." Specialists!
    Any student of at least three, a mechanic’s apprentice, will immediately say that there should not be, in principle, clean screw connections in mechanical engineering
    Maybe so?
    And then start a war and even the two-wheelers will have to collect them
    Of course +, sensibly and in detail
    1. +5
      17 June 2014 10: 48
      Briefly: interesting, readable, on the case ... + hi
  2. +6
    17 June 2014 10: 07
    author zhzhot! (with). I wish you success and fruitful retirement laughing .
  3. +16
    17 June 2014 11: 08
    Quote: Denis
    And whether it is necessary?


    It is necessary. Because this is part of a great geopolitical game. Objective history is written in large books that no one reads. The brainwashing of the future fifth columns takes place on social networks. We are losing this fight. It is no secret that a large array of information in social networks is formed for budget money. The fact that Schmeisser was in Izhevsk to the fullest is used to inject the nation's inferiority syndrome into the brain ("nothing of our own, only we can steal"). We will fight. soldier
    1. +2
      17 June 2014 13: 06
      Success in your hard and painstaking business. I will probably subscribe. I look forward to the following articles.
    2. +3
      17 June 2014 14: 46
      Quote: bunta
      We will fight

      I can’t even imagine how. Many literacy needs to be taught, or even treated, first.
      I can’t find that wretched picture already, I’ll try to describe
      Where and how to dry clothes
      1. Room clothes dryer
      2. From house to house on a narrow street
      3. On the tank gun
      And I will not cite comments, misery, just so that someone recognizes M60A3 one to one ...
      I tried to point to the turret with a machine gun and the thieves' "string bag" behind the tower, but where there ...
      The main argument is the star on the tower. And the garbage is that the star is WHITE!
      Here to teach or treat?
      1. +2
        17 June 2014 19: 15
        Quote: Denis
        and even to treat

        Not enough money. For treatment. They do not recognize other medicines.
        1. +1
          18 June 2014 00: 42
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          They do not recognize other medicines

          We heard from employees of psychiatric hospitals that medicines can sometimes be replaced with duli.
    3. Kassandra
      +1
      18 June 2014 01: 03
      the fact that he set up his production lines exported from his factory in Germany for a very long time, until they quickly promised to shoot him
      If you take apart the Schmeisser, you can see that it is a copy of the SVT-40, that is, everything is actually the other way around.
      Schmeisser is not a designer at all, and not a technologist, he is a manager / owner.
      no need to fight, just explain everything as it is.
    4. Kassandra
      +1
      18 June 2014 01: 29
      AK has much in common only with the Bulkin Assault Rifle. except the main one (shutter operation)
      basically, the cover of the receiver and its locking mechanism were borrowed.
      the shutter for AK, in contrast to the AB, was made with a thin shank, which increased the survivability of the leading surfaces and reduced reloading failures by an order of magnitude due to the lower moment of inertia of the shutter than in AB, and the greater shoulder / torque of rotation of this shutter shank in its landing seat of the shutter frame with the same efforts created by the frame.
      Kalashnikov did not want to go to borrow the receiver cover and other minor parts from AB after the first stage of the competition, but the military told him that if he refused, they would find someone else who would make two of them two machines, because the army needed a machine.
      Bulkin did not guess to make a thin shank at his shutter and thereby improve the velogram of his AB.
      All these issues were studied by foreign specialists in patent law, as a result, the Swiss army waited exactly 50 years to switch to the Kalashnikov scheme from the STG-45 scheme and not to pay money for it. in contrast to a licensed product, a patent is valid for only 50 years.
      AK, according to the logic of things, and just in case, that they would not find fault with AB (although this is also a Soviet machine gun) officially called the Automatic Carabiner in the USSR.
      Kalashnikov actually made his assault rifle back in 1942 and since then his scheme has not fundamentally changed, only the design. there was no STG-44 then.
      details on AB and AK were in the Kalashnikov magazine, for 2009.
      1. anomalocaris
        -1
        18 June 2014 16: 43
        I already advised you not to abuse heavy nonsense? Once again, I highly recommend it.
        You are extremely unaware of technical issues, and therefore I strongly advise you to be silent in a rag, and not to give out pearls of cosmic proportions and cosmic stupidity.
        1. Kassandra
          +1
          19 June 2014 03: 31
          now I understand you and a dog came here to check in ...
          Link to the people to give on which you two fucking lessons with a professor in the GOS, then the dog then the Japanese then the microprocessor shoved (Y / N)?
          if so then here it is:
          http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=51608
          your brains are like cuttlefish.
          1. anomalocaris
            0
            19 June 2014 15: 48
            Baby you're yopted all over your head. Go to bed. Well, the FAU-1 did not have a homing head. She had an inertial control system that translated the projectile at its peak when it reached the theoretical point. That is, a trivial autopilot that tracked the course according to the gyrocompass and the same trivial turntable that tracked the range. ALL.
            The rest is from the evil one. Seriously advise tying up with hallucinogens.
            1. Kassandra
              +1
              21 June 2014 03: 46
              Do you want to bring a bastard off-topic? under the article that, on the contrary, the Schmeizer slammed his STG-44 with SVT-40?

              confusing pedals again ... what planet are you from? in the comments on the "rocket" link it was about the GOS as such (Enziana-1943 and Sidewinder-1956, mostly) and not about the ISN of the standard v-1
              faith does not prohibit putting it on any other rocket.
              the fact that (for V-1 and V-2) there were guidance systems for the lighthouse you wrote there yourself
              foshizdy climbed the skyscrapers of New York to put these lighthouses, the FBI tied them there
        2. Kassandra
          +1
          21 June 2014 03: 48
          don't judge people by yourself.
  4. +3
    17 June 2014 13: 51
    I already once gave links to articles in the German press on the "inimitable" Sturmgewehr G36, which some amateurs put almost as an example of an assault weapon for an infantryman. The German military, after a thorough check of this work by K & K in Afghanistan, wrote a lot of complaints, on the topic, for example, why the rifle's barrel quickly overheats from automatic firing and it starts to "spit". They were especially amused by the manual, where it is written that it is necessary to replace the barrel. You will not undermine any court! Nevertheless, the German Ministry of Defense is making further plans to purchase these weapons for the Armed Forces, etc., and even export it to countries such as Georgia, Kotor. they are very proud of this.
    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-84631730.html "Gewehr mit Schwächen " Винтовка со слабостями.
    http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-88137118.html Feuer ohne Wirkung" Бездейственный огонь
    1. 0
      28 June 2014 23: 11
      Any system has drawbacks. AK also warms up and "spits" The contour of the barrel of assault rifles is "thin" so that it can be watered with bursts from the belly. Normal mode - short 2-3 shots. Well, the gaps in the G-36 are smaller. But in general 36 - "Kalash in a tailcoat"
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  5. +3
    17 June 2014 14: 41
    Good article good We look forward to continuing.
    1. +2
      17 June 2014 16: 16
      For me personally, all questions about "plagiarism", "the basis of the design solution" were resolved after observing the incomplete disassembly / assembly of the "Schmeiser" -AKM-56-M-16A2. And once and for all. I liked the article, plus unambiguously.
      1. Kassandra
        +1
        18 June 2014 01: 35
        so simple to clarify - which way?
  6. +1
    17 June 2014 14: 59
    Very informative, thanks to the author. good
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  8. +2
    17 June 2014 19: 51
    why is the word in Russian chamber, read in German, is it just a camera, a gas chamber?
  9. +4
    17 June 2014 20: 35
    Quote: 290980
    why is the word in Russian chamber, read in German, is it just a camera, a gas chamber?

    "The camera is where the prisoners sit" - as our teacher said. I will write about him again. This is a weapon term. Like a trigger.
    1. +1
      17 June 2014 23: 21
      "The camera is where the prisoners sit
      in engines you call the combustion chamber, and into the weapon of the cam winked ... not to understand.
      1. +2
        17 June 2014 23: 43
        this is slang like that. Like a latrine and a galley in the navy!
        1. +1
          18 June 2014 21: 19
          Like compass and compass!
      2. +1
        18 June 2014 00: 00
        Are you hinting at the "gas chamber"? Doesn't the ambiguity bother you? wink
        And there should be no ambiguity in the army. Hence the slang, by the way.
        1. 0
          18 June 2014 00: 45
          Quote: bunta
          Are you hinting at the "gas chamber"?

          But also in German, like camora, okay
  10. +2
    17 June 2014 23: 08
    Thanks for the interesting layout. It used to be called - to popularize technology and science.
    In my opinion - a rare gift.
    And borrowing advanced ideas, technologies is a normal move. Aircraft, rocket and engine building in the post-war period are proof of this.
  11. vietnam7
    +2
    18 June 2014 11: 23
    A very easy-to-read article_ to the author is definitely a plus. While reading I remembered Akunin's book "Turkish Gambit". There, the reporter wrote a bestseller article about old hiking boots on a dispute. Let me give a little flattery - the author has style and knowledge of the issue.
  12. anomalocaris
    +1
    18 June 2014 16: 50
    Drilling holes at an angle in the pipe is very easy to solve using a jig. The task for the mechanic of the 4th category. Two conductors - one for drilling a trunk, the second for drilling a gas chamber. The one that is for the barrel is exposed on the rifling ... Nothing particularly difficult.
    1. Kassandra
      +1
      19 June 2014 03: 56
      Do you have the 5th at least?
      it is also very simple to assemble a "processor" of the simplest IR or GOS radar from just a few diodes, but some brains are beyond the control of this.
      1. anomalocaris
        0
        19 June 2014 15: 39
        Baby, unlike you, I did not go through a frail school of life. And not only am I a hydraulic engineer, I am also a mechanic for mechanical assembly works of the 6th category, a mechanic and craftsman of the 5th category, a mechanic-technician of the 6th category, I soldered my first computer in 1992, when you walked under the table went. By the way, almost all the graduate students and the diploma, I just counted on it.
        And the processor, baby, is going not only from diodes. There is still a bunch of all sorts of interesting components that you have no idea about. And therefore, come out.
        1. +2
          19 June 2014 17: 54
          Dear anomalocaris and Kassandra.
          I wrote an article for my son Dimka (17 years) on my birthday. He shows it to his friends. And here you can’t find a common language with each other. You can ask about two things - make peace and delete your offline posts.
          1. Kassandra
            0
            21 June 2014 03: 23
            manuscripts do not burn ...
            I don’t understand why the "shellfish" showed up so bitterly under the two comments above where the party's policy in relation to SVT-40, STG-44, and AK with AB was fully explained?
            bourgeois
        2. Kassandra
          0
          21 June 2014 03: 17
          "Locksmith", your processor is stuck in one place again ... Is it there in the AIM-9 GOS of Sidewinder 1956?
          They were not even then the size of a field kitchen.
  13. +4
    18 June 2014 21: 01
    "On June 18, 1949, by order of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 2611-1033, a 7,62 mm Kalashnikov assault rifle, model 1947, was adopted by the Soviet Army."


    Happy Birthday, AK!
  14. +1
    18 July 2014 01: 04
    I read the article - the main point revolves around the stormtrooper gas outlet and everything seems to be great, the main conclusion regarding the superiority of a similar AK unit "When several problems are solved with one answer, this is a sign of the beauty of an engineering solution. That is, the designer has talent. Well, or genius, if you want to."
    Everything is healthy and understandable, the ingenious gaotvod knot under 45 gr. but except for one incomprehensible moment - whether the respected author will answer me why, by 74, the whole team creating the AK-74 had suddenly dulled and made a gas outlet under 90 grams?


    And one more small question - how many times you need to unscrew and tighten the plug with a thread m 18X0,75 so that "If you twist the plug back and forth, then over time the thread will wear off to such an extent that such a plug will be knocked out from the first shot along with a bullet. "
    1. 0
      19 July 2014 09: 36
      Well what can I say. Dullness, like talent, is a category of lifelong, not acquired in the process of life evolution. Judging by the questions, the author clearly outlined his category.
  15. +1
    20 July 2014 20: 05
    Quote: bunta
    Judging by the questions, the author clearly outlined his category.

    Yes, an obvious boor, I will not be rude in response, I’ll say easier - bunta maybe you are good at plumbing, but you either don’t understand the shooter, or you deliberately suck the "sensation" out of your finger, for this is the placement of this opus on several more resources, yes and avoiding answering the question posed also testifies to this.
  16. +1
    21 July 2014 01: 24
    Judging by the introductory part, the author is not very well versed in plumbing, but poorly in the condemned subject, moreover, and either does not know how to read or deliberately distorts, I will explain why - "so there can be no question of any" regulation "by changing the cross section of the gas outlet" - undoubtedly correct, but this is only part of the truth - the author apparently does not know that gas regulators in weapons are of three types - with regulation of the cross-section of the hole, the discharge of part of the gases into the atmosphere, and with a change in the volume of the gas chamber. Why can't she read? Yes, simply because in the given list of references there is such a wonderful book - "Blagonravov AA (ed.). Material part of small arms." We open volume 2. on page 764 the chapter dedicated to MP43 / STG44, this highly respected publication, and what do we read there? - "The intensity of the action of the powder gases on the piston is regulated by increasing or decreasing the volume of the gas chamber (screwing in or unscrewing the regulator)."
    Now let's talk a little about tapered threads - I'm not an expert in plumbing, therefore, unlike the author, I don't see the tapered threads on the plug, probably because I'm not guided by an inferior scan of a page from a book, but by the factory drawing of this part where this thread is designated as M 18 X 0,75 - isn't it somehow strange that the author conducting such a "serious scientific study" did not see the factory drawings that are freely available on almost any weapons forum. Now let's pay attention to the name of this detail in the drawing - "Regullier schraube" which in translation from Goethe's language means "adjusting screw", and here is a very interesting moment - I have scans of two manuals on STG - both published in 1944 and post-war, GDR and they really include a "stub", but it is impossible to judge ALL the functions of this part only by the name, since I am not strong in German and, accordingly, the description of all the functions performed by this part is not clear to me in the German presentation. They seem to have figured out the "conical" thread, but what is actually conical? And the conical part there, after the thread, enters the corresponding conical hole at the base of the gas chamber. And here another question arises: why make a plug of such a complex shape when it is much more technologically advanced to make it in the form of a conventional plug thread with a persistent collar?
  17. +1
    21 July 2014 01: 53
    Let's deal with the second part of the article - the author of the posters on the AK and AK-74 was not in vain, I thought you would try to understand where it was wrong, but instead you began to be rude. Well, let's figure it out - so AK / AKM the angle of inclination of the gas outlet is 45 degrees, the later designs of Kalashnikov PK, AK-74, the angle of inclination is 90 degrees, what is the reason? And this is due to the fact that the angle of inclination is chosen not on the basis of the mythical "blow of the gas jet directed directly to the piston" but from the required filling rate of the gas chamber (in fact, this speed depends on the angle) and is linked to the entire kinematics of the weapon (this topic is considered even in kngakh of the entry level of the type "Basics of small arms" comrade Babak), that is why the angle on AK74 was changed, since the data of the internal ballistics changed significantly with practically unchanged "iron".
    PS so, summing up, the expression "Stupidity, like talent of the category is lifelong, and not acquired in the process of life evolution" is much more related to a plumbing expert,
    and the next time, before writing another epoch-making work, learn the mat.
  18. 0
    22 July 2014 11: 20
    Too many letters to leave such messages unanswered. All the same, the man pressed the keys, scoured the Internet. It is commendable when a person does this in search of truth, in order to broaden his horizons. Here are just some begin to do this after they tactfully indicate their level of knowledge, coupled with the manner of communication. And the manner is very simple - in the very first remark addressed to the author, turn on sarcasm and admire its own coolness from the outside.

    You can, of course, theoretically calculate how many times you need to twist the nut so that the thread is worn out. True, it will be necessary to attract a powerful mathematical apparatus with its logarithmic and differential-integral calculus. Or sit with a wrench. Maybe easier? Send Ignore the author of the question. It is impossible. Offended.

    The drawing of the regulator is certainly interesting. But this is not a "factory" drawing. Any petaushnik will tell this. And for non-technical people I have the following to report. All of Henel's documentation was taken to the USSR and is possibly kept somewhere else in the archives. Not stolen yet. And the set that walks on the network is copied from documents stored in archives in Koblenz. Handrich writes about this in his book. He himself is at a loss what these sketches are and how they got there. Perhaps these are sketches for creating replicas. The main question arises with the fact that these "drawings" are not drawn up according to the rules of "factory" production. In addition, some of the parts are numbered different from the official one. Lack of signatures, indications of belonging to the company, etc. In general, a complete bullshit. This is how the "factory" drawings are drawn up. This is the design of the drawing of the chamber for the Kurz at the Mauser firm.


    At the expense of direct drilling. Apparently a bad writer from me, if not the main idea reaches everyone. I will try again. In the diagram I presented at point A, a region with a zero gas velocity is formed. If it’s not clear, take your eyes off the screen and look at the ceiling. In the corner of the snare hang. This is because in the corners the movement of gases is minimal, and at the very walls of the corner there are no at all.
    Direct drilling in AK74 is caused not by the "stupidity" of the designers, but by the obvious manufacturability. In this case, gases from the barrel are removed along the end wall and abut not at a right angle, but a rounding. Thus, there is no "stagnation" point in this solution either. How serious is the topic of carbon deposits in automation, anyone who is a little familiar with the history of the M16 knows. And how far forward the theory of gas dynamics has advanced, which made it possible to create a non-separable muzzle brake and does not require cleaning, this is known to anyone familiar with the AN-94.

    PS. About the personal.
    Dear big-kaput.
    I do not post my articles on any other sites except VO. Fundamentally.
    My knowledge of materiel is indicated in my profile.
    Thank you very much for adding the aroma of trolling squabbles to the article that I presented for my son’s birthday. The Internet will not forget you, but you are not interesting to me.
    1. Kassandra
      +1
      24 July 2014 06: 37
      Yepper Theater, how many sons do you have? what do you write once a quarter about their birthdays?
      About the kurts smiled ... love
      Inclined drilling because dying gunpowder up and down flies less into the gas outlet piston. If it is not made at an obtuse or right angle but at an acute angle, then it’s not like gunpowder but the bullets will begin to fly in.
      1. +1
        24 July 2014 07: 51
        I’m a four-time dad (3 + 1) and in October I will be a two-time grandfather. And about the angle, I know. :)
        1. Kassandra
          +1
          24 July 2014 08: 50
          Congratulations!
          it’s just that the article emphasizes the best blow of gas into the piston, and not the much lesser probability of unburnt particles of gunpowder flying into the gas outlet.
  19. +1
    31 July 2014 15: 06
    He smiled, a friend writes the answer, blacklisting the person to whom he writes so that he does not see and does not answer, for that the rest would see.
    Regarding the factory drawings - you will forgive me, but you shift the emphasis a little, avoiding the answer on the topic, the question was not the origin of the drawings, but it seems like in the tapered thread? Is there anything to say about this fact? it seems not. And the fact that I knew the drawings from the archive in Koblets without you, I have the same set on the P-08 only with a full indication of where it came from. Well, you, the engineer, do not know that "factory" drawings do not exist, as well as the concept itself. In general, this is understandable - specifically on the topic you have nothing to answer, so you will be looking for something to cling to to "translate the arrows". And what about Blagonravov whom you put in your list of references? So you read it or just wrote in what first came to mind from the classics?
    Now on the gas outlet and again the absence of an answer to a specific post and leaving aside, the spiders in the corner are certainly good, just do not explain to me for some reason in the AK-74 "for better manufacturability" the gas outlet was straightened, but in AKM they did not do this taking into account that that then there was already a PC with a direct gas outlet put into service a year before AKM? and so many differences from the AK have already been made to the design of the AKM itself that the straightening of the gas outlet would not play a big role in the restructuring of production, but if you believe it, there would be a significant technological gain?
  20. 0
    31 October 2015 00: 24
    I read the article with pleasure and comments ... I will follow