Ostrich script

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Yesterday’s sabbath at the Russian embassy, ​​according to Alexey Pushkov, had all the signs prepared in advance. He stated this in an interview with Vesti. Yesterday, there were reports of the presence of people with the identification marks of the Azov Battalion under the embassy’s walls, the Russian flag was torn off by the press secretary of Freedom Kiev Vladimir Tishchenko. Prepared eggs, explosives, Molotov cocktails, brought stones - a spontaneous “protest”, to put it mildly, looked quite planned.

It is also not necessary to say that any “non-systemic” radicals beyond the control of the authorities were driving the events. The appearance of the Foreign Minister Deshchitsa and the solidarity expressed by him with the requirements and methods of the pogromists do not fit into this version - he could simply not come. Nonetheless, it took the pogrom to impart not just an official, but a demonstratively official dimension. Finally, no less demonstratively, representatives of the West in the Security Council refused to condemn the attack on the Russian embassy, ​​although by and large, it was quite a duty and not obliging them to anything.

Ostrich scriptIn Donbass, the situation continues to be the same - punishers are already using without any limitation all possible and available weapons. The militia in Slavyansk published striking elements of the arrow-shaped unconventional weapons.

The destruction of the civilian population, the destruction of infrastructure facilities are now complemented by strikes at life-support facilities - primarily the supply of drinking water. In drinking water, the situation in Slavyansk, in which at least half of the population continues to be, looks catastrophic - there is no more than a week. In addition to the danger of an epidemic, it does not allow physicians to fully save the lives of injured and sick people. The situation in the East is obviously reaching the level beyond which the number of victims of the conflict will rise sharply.

Finally, the only negotiations that are being conducted with Kiev — negotiations on gas — take place in an atmosphere of Kiev’s complete rejection of the very concept of "constructive". The absurd demands are made, there is a rejection of any attempts to reach an agreement, blackmail and complete disregard for not only contractual obligations, but direct disregard for the rules and customs of negotiation.

All together, it begins to take shape in the picture of pushing Russia toward a forceful solution to the situation. Or - as a preferred option - her surrender. With the subsequent humiliating and shameful world on the terms of the winner. It is clear that the United States will be the winner, but one can imagine an explosion of patriotism inflated by the propaganda of the population of Ukraine. After that, the likelihood of Ukraine’s aggression against the Crimea becomes inevitable.

The economy has given way to politics, there is no other explanation for what is happening and cannot be. Any talk about “not to succumb to provocations at all costs,” “to hold the position of Russia” at any price on the European gas market in such a situation is based either on a misunderstanding of the fact that conditions have changed, or people are consciously trying to pull the string of events even more - after which will become even larger.

It is necessary to proceed from the fact that the opponents of Russia no longer intend to negotiate with anyone - this is a direct conflict, towards which they are being pushed. The interest of the Kiev junta is obvious - only war or defeat of Russia in one form or another will allow it to avoid social collapse followed by the demolition of the existing government. The interest of the West is also understandable - only the political defeat of Russia will allow it to reformat the European market, excluding Russia from it, and again, it is clear who intends to come to our place. Finally, the defeat of Russia will allow the West to close the Russian "pole of power" project, which was proclaimed by Putin in Munich in 2007.

This requires her refusal from any defense of her interests in Ukraine in exchange for peace under the conditions of the winner. This option will more than suit the United States, as it will, without collapsing the situation in Europe, first achieve the intermediate results of binding the hands of Moscow, and after two or three years dictating to Russia new conditions. This option will absolutely suit Kiev, as it will provide an opportunity to declare itself the winner and start building a full-fledged Nazi state with the task of “returning territories”, which will absorb any other tasks, such as solving social and economic problems.

No need to flatter yourself - compradors in Moscow are ready to go for this option and go for it. A very large part of the Russian elite does not bind itself and its interests with Russia and will be ready to sacrifice a part in the name of the rest.

In fact, it is in their interests that a campaign is launched to render assistance to the Donbas, which is based on two postulates: there is no need to help those who are not able to cope, and there is no need for our boys to die in a foreign land. The logic of the construction is quite obvious except for the fact that both our land and the people on it, but the interests of corrupt compradors in Moscow are not Russian. They are selfish and deeply personal. Igor Strelkov for these people - the enemy is much more serious than Poroshenko or Obama. In addition, the conscious emphasis only on the entry of the Russian army with the inevitable death of our soldiers is given for the only way to solve the problem by force. Any other ways are deliberately silent or absurd.

The task of technologists of events at this stage is to prevent the force scenario of events from Russia and to prepare the ground for its capitulation through the conclusion of an agreement in which the junta will agree to terminate the ATO in exchange for the new conditions of Gazprom’s gas agreements with Ukraine. Naturally, both sides will present this as their victory, but under such conditions such an agreement would mean only one thing - the capitulation of Moscow. Just because it will no longer be able to break the new contract, but Kiev will continue the punitive operation easily. And continue it. Absolute disregard for all agreements concluded is the calling card of the current Kiev junta. Will Putin become Yanukovych and "believe" Kiev? It can not be excluded.

The capitulation will only mean that Kiev will be motivated to solve the problem of Donbass through the destruction of its population, after which it will inevitably turn to the solution of the “problem of Crimea”. Most likely - through the "uprising" of the Crimean Tatar population, in the role of which the militants from Syria can act and the most severe pressure of the West up to the threat of a direct conflict on Russia. Will Moscow be able to resist such a scenario in the situation of the previous capitulation? Well, maybe. Day or two.

The third stage of events will affect us already - and its scenarios can be very diverse. But one thing in them will be unchanged - the complete mistrust of the population to the current government. They like winners, losers - no.

I understand and realize that the forecasts are completely ungrateful, and most importantly, in such situations they are based on very fragile grounds and assumptions. Nevertheless, if you put aside the cries about the wisdom of the authorities or vice versa - “Putinsil”, and assess what is happening, it is difficult to imagine a different sequence of events if the policy of appeasing the Nazis continues. Not so long ago, one Neville Chamberlain proudly demonstrated a contract with Hitler, saying: "I brought the world." As a result, a year later, England began to bomb. Incidentally, England at the time was a world superpower - Russia today is not. No need for illusions. Agreements with the Nazis always end in the same way.

The question that is right now sounds simple: do we agree on such a scenario? We have already entered the war, as Europe entered into it after Hitler came to power. We are not ready for it, we have full corridors of the power of traitors, we openly operate the agents of the enemy, we demoralize ourselves every day as a catastrophe in the Donbas and an indifferent attitude towards it in the Kremlin. In general, we historically always enter war without being ready for it. Is this a reason to continue the policy of the ostrich? Especially in circumstances where events begin to converge to a point?

Speaking of “ostrich scenarios,” you need to understand what our opponents want from Russia. In my opinion, the United States will arrange two main options for Russia's response to the blatant provocations of the Kiev junta. The first is the introduction of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine, the second is a cowardly capitulation in the form of "non-intervention".
Both options are fully consistent with the medium-term plans of the United States. In the first case, the war in which the Russian army will be drawn in will allow Russia to be excluded from the list of foreign political players. Exactly for the same reason that the US today can only fight with the Papuans - their army is constrained by its presence in Afghanistan. Therefore, the United States is capable of only air strikes - but only on the enemy, who is unable to respond to them.

The main difference is that the United States intends to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, but at the same time Russia is being pulled in to enter Ukrainian territory. 16 is the year when the withdrawal of the NATO contingent should be completed (even if some forces remain there, the main and most combat-ready part of the American army will be liberated) - this is the year when the US will be ready to start a gas expansion policy to Europe - and they will need all their strength in order to complete what began three years ago with the onset of the Arab Spring - the redistribution of the European market.

In a situation, if Russia refuses to send troops to Ukraine, but at the same time continues to keep its head in the sand, it will receive war on its territory. Initially, it will be a massive influx of refugees and a total catastrophe on the half of the Russian-Ukrainian border. Then, the Ukrainian junta, dying of blood, will be forced to pull its army off the chain - after which, regardless of the degree of cowardice or courage of the Russian elite, it will still be forced to either retreat even further ("only without nepheism"), or still join it, having his back was thrown into chaos by the south of the country and the heavy hatred of a large part of the population for the corrupt ruling elite, who had exchanged the lives of millions of compatriots for six months of a quiet life for themselves.

Both options are completely satisfied with the United States, as they enable them to get a political result - squeezing Russia out of Europe, creating a hostile and completely irresponsible Nazi Ukraine on its way to Europe, aimed at a war with Russia, an internal political crisis in Russia with the possibility of aggravating it with any harshness . In addition, the big question in all cases is Russia's relations with Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia - which are unlikely to appreciate the undoubted loss of Russia in the Ukrainian direction.

This means only one thing. We cannot allow any of these scenarios. We cannot and must not, under any circumstances, send in troops, we cannot and must not under any circumstances allow Kiev to further blackmail us with either gas transit or a punitive operation against the population of Donbass.

The only available way is to assist the rebellion. Immediate, massive assistance in all areas - organizational, resource, diplomatic, political, informational and propaganda.

To date, the uprising has demonstrated its viability and viability. At the same time revealed its weaknesses. There is no financial system, there is no working state machine, there is no unified military command and a unified defense system. There is no normal law enforcement system, courts, prosecutors. There are enormous problems in resource provision, and the aid that comes in private is distributed in a completely closed way, giving rise to both the ground for corruption and disgusting efficiency — it is somewhere excessive, somewhere it practically does not reach.

The main thing - the worst situation in the war zone. The punitive group intends to cut off the rebels from the border, then pour the entire territory of the resulting "boiler" with fire, phosphorus, napalm - in general, everything that is in the arsenals. No illusions are needed - the mobilization capabilities of the junta are enormous. By the fall, she will be able to place over a hundred thousand people under arms, and most importantly, she is absolutely not interested in casualties and equipment.

The continuation of the operation and the inaction of Russia will lead to the fact that by August-September the punishers will be able to create such a “cauldron”, after which the question of the destruction of the population of Donbass will become a matter of time.

It's time to start the help process at all levels. With the boundary condition - the Russian army should not enter the territory of Donbass and Ukraine. Everything else should be. From recruiting volunteers to sending any weapons with them except for weapons of mass destruction. It is necessary to create a working state machine - this requires the appropriate specialists. It requires the creation of a working law enforcement system, which really exists, but which is decomposed and crushed. Need courts. Need a security service. It is necessary to create a military command, headquarters, intelligence, access to all sources of information that the Russian structures are able to provide to the insurgents. You need your own currency and its provision.

All this is required to be created urgently and now - but there is nothing very heavy in this task. We need several hundred (possibly thousands) of specialists, we need emergency structures and interaction between them.

However, the main thing - finally need determination. The Russian government received a huge credibility in the Crimea, but managed to lose it over the past month and a half. She can still return confidence in her actions - but no longer on credit. In fact only.

I still have hope that the authorities will not betray our people in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Slavyansk and Lysychansk. It is hoped that thousands of those killed during these weeks did not die for nothing. However, events are moving very fast. The bill is not for months. Perhaps a month or even a week. Next, we will be forced to finally move on to the scenarios into which the US and their jackals are driving us into Kiev.
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  1. -1
    17 2014 June
    I still have hope that the authorities will not betray our people in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Slavyansk and Lysychansk. It is hoped that thousands of those killed during these weeks did not die for nothing. However, events are moving very fast. The bill is not for months. Perhaps a month or even a week. Next, we will be forced to finally move on to the scenarios into which the US and their jackals are driving us into Kiev.


    For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.
    1. +44
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Monk
      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.
      Here at least how, but the situation is VERY and VERY SEVERE. Kolomoisky forms the Crimea battalion. In Crimea itself, there are already facts of provocations against the Russian authorities and troops. It seems that the Americans and Ukrainians who talk a lot about "hybrid wars" decided to implement this scenario against us, turning Crimea into a "hot spot" ...
      1. +14
        17 2014 June
        Quote: ...
        The appearance of the Minister of Foreign Affairs Deshchitsy and his solidarity with the demands and methods of the pogromists do not fit into this version - he simply could not come.


        How does it not fit? All according to the script

        Psaki is ready to raise Deshchitsa to the rank of a hero, because according to her, he was not afraid to go to the crowd of patriots
        1. +18
          17 2014 June
          Quote: Vadivak
          he was not afraid to go out to the crowd of patriots

          But you have to be afraid to go out to the crowd of patriots?
          1. +1
            18 2014 June
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            But you have to be afraid to go out to the crowd of patriots?
            Of course, if it’s dill ... then no one can be sure that they will not call him an enemy and will not make him repent on his next maidan ...
            1. +7
              18 2014 June
              Great analysis. Those who still do not believe - as they say, even piss in the eyes ...
              1. 0
                18 2014 June
                Totally agree - great analysis!
            2. diesel
              +2
              18 2014 June
              On the other side there are patriots, and we have traitors.
        2. +1
          18 2014 June
          Quote: Vadivak
          Psaki is ready to raise Deshchitsa to the rank of a hero, because according to her, he was not afraid to go to the crowd of patriots


          Psaki is ready and not only for this. Her pearls are already going wild, and she initially did not have common sense.
          "State Department spokesman Jen Psaki said that the United States considers it premature to express condolences over the deaths of Russian journalists in eastern Ukraine." We do not have the exact details, "she said.
          “We saw these media reports, we do not have confirmation, details, reasons. According to some reports, they were seriously injured, according to others they died when they were with a group of armed separatists during the battle in Lugansk. Of course, we would express our condolences to their families, urging all parties to ensure the safety of journalists, but again - we do not have exact details about the circumstances ”
          http://russian.rt.com/article/36997

          Or here:
          "Psaki justified Yatsenyuk's Nazi statements with" translation difficulties "
          Yatsenyuk posted an article on the website of the Ukrainian Embassy, ​​in which he called the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions "subhuman". This term ("Der Untermensch") was used in Hitler's propaganda against the Slavic peoples, the Interfax news agency recalls.

          However, the official representative of the US State Department Jen Psaki was not embarrassed by these statements. She explained Yatsenyuk's Nazi phrase with an incorrect translation. "Subhuman" in English is "subhuman". Psaki, commenting on the article in front of reporters, noted that the presentation of Yatsenyuk's phrase is incorrect. "He meant that the militants who are destabilizing the situation in eastern Ukraine are inhuman (" inhuman "), says Psaki." He meant armed militants, not Russians. "
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1697928
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      4. +10
        17 2014 June
        Tomorrow Shoigu will be speaking in the State Duma with a report on Ukraine, so you need to carefully listen to him! And here's the info on gas!

        The head of the Austrian oil and gas company OMV Rois: "The European Union should not curtail negotiations on the South Stream, but, on the contrary, accelerate them."


        Russia and Serbia have confirmed the existing agreements on the creation of the South Stream gas pipeline and the need to implement the project, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov following talks with his Serbian counterpart Ivica Dacic. According to him, South Stream is the only system solution for supplying gas to the southeast of Europe, RIA Novosti reports.


        BP and ExxonMobil are not going to limit cooperation with Russia, despite Western sanctions against some Russian businessmen and the gas conflict between Moscow and Kiev.

        Europe may face interruptions in gas supplies due to the crisis in Ukraine, but the key to meeting the energy needs of the West is Russia, representatives of oil giants BP and ExxonMobil said at the World Petroleum Congress in Moscow, AFP reports.


        The crises in Iraq and Ukraine are provoking an increase in energy prices, said Abdullah Salem al-Badri, Secretary General of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) on June 17 in Moscow. The aggravation of the gas dispute between Russia and Ukraine alone led to an increase in oil prices by 2-3 US dollars per barrel, dpa reports. At the same time, he emphasized that the crisis in Iraq is only beginning.
        1. +12
          17 2014 June
          Well, yes, the main thing in life is to sell gas.
      5. +11
        17 2014 June
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Вооружённые_силы_Украины&oldid=6367030
        3

        Comrades, look.
        1. +11
          17 2014 June
          What to watch? The army, which was replaced by gangs without honor, shame and the concept of humanism?
        2. +15
          17 2014 June
          Sorry, but you and I can create such an article about the Martian armed forces. Wikipedia is written by Internet users and therefore not everything that is written there can be trusted.
        3. +3
          18 2014 June
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          Comrades, look.

          Well what can I say ...
          Successful and JUST Trolling ....
      6. Reading
        +3
        17 2014 June
        Crimea should be taken very seriously. Inside it there is a sufficiently large layer of the population that can oppose the real government. And the layer of the population saturated with criminals will also not be an ally of Russia.
        1. +23
          17 2014 June
          Quote: Reading
          Crimea should be taken very seriously. Inside it there is a sufficiently large layer of the population that can oppose the real government. And the layer of the population saturated with criminals will also not be an ally of Russia.

          My relatives in Yevpatoriya are not familiar with this "large layer". Those who openly oppose Russia in Crimea will simply be torn apart.
          1. -10
            17 2014 June
            Your relatives just don’t know much.
            1. +5
              18 2014 June
              Yes. The Slavs, too, do not know that they are being bombed, and the Lviv, that they are jumping.
              Everyone who lives on the territory in one way or another knows about everything. I did not know Akhmetov personally and did not know what he ate for breakfast. But they told me in general terms who, when, and what he had overcome and to whom he laid his eyes on the next. So people in Yevpatoria. They know, but to oppose the authorities is the risk of getting Slavyansk at home.
            2. +5
              18 2014 June
              Quote: RED_ICE
              Your relatives just don’t know much.

              Correct. Not everyone knows ...
              It is not appropriate to talk about a powerful "stratum" capable of resisting the Russian authorities in Crimea, but forgetting that "the family has its black sheep" is also not worth it ...
              1. +3
                18 2014 June
                Aksyonov did not go to Kadyrov for nothing.
              2. +2
                18 2014 June
                And no one forgets. Special services are not asleep, given that the region is strategic and the fleet is based there. I think that their percentage per capita is much higher than in the rest of Russia.
          2. +12
            17 2014 June
            It is necessary to tear now without shelving .. Oh, this is our humanity .. all the troubles are from it.
            1. +5
              17 2014 June
              Quote: RED_ICE
              Your relatives just don’t know much.

              Quote: max702
              It is necessary to tear now without shelving .. Oh, this is our humanity .. all the troubles are from it.

              Are you laughing or what? Evpatoria is a small town of about one hundred thousand people, there everyone knows everything about everyone.
              And yes, dear RED_ICE, your phrase lacks the words "not everything is so simple".
            2. +1
              18 2014 June
              Russia lacks healthy pragmatism in relations with Ukraine.
            3. 0
              18 2014 June
              The fastest selling
          3. diesel
            +1
            18 2014 June
            As for the tear, do not get excited, the miners didn’t really rise.
            1. +2
              18 2014 June
              Strelkov repeatedly said: there will be weapons - there will be miners. And we have everything - a tricky plan
        2. +3
          18 2014 June
          Ugum is a serious layer. 4% or what? And having lived in Russia, they will not want to speak for Ukraine. Not everyone had the opportunity to come to vote, this also needs to be taken into account.
        3. +3
          18 2014 June
          Quote: Reading
          Crimea should be taken very seriously. Inside it there is a sufficiently large layer of the population that can oppose the real government. And the layer of the population saturated with criminals will also not be an ally of Russia.


          As a resident of Crimea, on the one hand, I agree there are people dissatisfied with the changes. But such a minority. And given the information received about what is happening in the DPR, I doubt that they want the same in Crimea. Like myself I want peace.
        4. +3
          18 2014 June
          “Crimea should be taken very seriously. Inside it there is a fairly large segment of the population that can oppose the real power. '' I did not understand something humor. What large segment of the population is against Russia? Where from? A month ago, during the referendum, according to Russia, more than 90% were FOR. It turns out that the results of the referendum were falsified or the Russian authorities got it in a month.
          1. 0
            18 2014 June
            Quote: papas-57
            A large segment of the population who can oppose the real power. '' I didn't understand something humor. What large segment of the population is against Russia? Where from? A month ago, during a referendum, according to Russia, more than 90% were `` FOR ''

            no, just 4% of those who voted against - means that there were 4 people out of 100 against. The figure seems to be small, but it turns out that in Evpatoria with a population of 100 tons. about 4000 were against. Considering that the younger, "zombie" ones opposed, then if 10% of them decide to take active actions, then we get 400 saboteurs, saboteurs and terrorists. and this is, at the very least, practically a battalion. if you arm him, imagine what he can do. therefore, the social well-being of Crimea must be treated with full attention.
      7. +2
        17 2014 June
        Quote: svp67
        There is at least a little, but the situation is VERY and VERY SERIOUS.

        Well, at least something -
        A well-known senator from the Belgorod region, Nikolai Ryzhkov, may head the Committee for Public Support for Residents of Southeast Ukraine. To create this institution with the active assistance of the Federation Council suggested speaker Valentina Matvienko at yesterday's meeting of the commission to monitor the situation in this country.

        http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1386995/
        there about informing, humanitarian issues, collecting information about the crimes of the junta for the tribunal, etc.
        1. +6
          17 2014 June
          Quote: Rus2012
          Well, at least something -

          and further -
          There was information that South Ossetia recognized the Donetsk People's Republic and ... plans to provide military assistance to it. If this is true, it will be fun. It will be fun because on the one hand South Ossetia does not have a common border with the DPR, and on the other, Russia can probably deliver some cargo from Tskhinval to Donetsk without asking what is inside? Surely it can.

          What is covered on our railway platform? Tank? No, the invoice says a children's bike. Crawler. With active armor. What's next? Howitzer? No, the invoice says holiday fireworks. What's next? Wow, what a fool! What's on the bill of lading? Installation for repelling birds. Everything, order - drive through ...

          And probably, it is possible to deliver some specialized cargoes directly from South Ossetia to Kiev. For example, Topol-M in non-nuclear performance. True, people live in Kiev, we will not be like the Ukrainian army and bomb peaceful cities. But on the headquarters of the ATO or at a military airfield - it is possible.

          And it is possible in another way: "three divisions of the armed forces of South Ossetia last night (so what, that number is greater than the population of Tskhinval, it doesn't matter) treacherously invaded the territory of Russia, passed through it and were lost from sight somewhere on the border with Luhansk People's Republic "... but what? Psaki doesn’t have such fantasies, why can't we? They have there Hollywood composes, and we Mosfilm does not sew a hoot. And if we also connect Soyuzmultfilm, it will not seem at all.

          Eh, Kiev-Kiev. That's why you had these tales? I would play basketball, prepare for Euro-2016, write my opinion about the Russian president on avatars and birth certificates, if you want to. No, I definitely had to pick it up my Honduras ...

          Based on materials from http://etoonda.livejournal.com

          Recall, South Ossetia recognized the results of the referendum held in May in the Lugansk People’s Republic. Leonid Tibilov, President of South Ossetia: “Respecting the will of the people of the Lugansk People’s Republic, the republic recognized the results of the referendum.” The head of South Ossetia emphasized that, in deciding this issue, the republic was guided by the norms of international law.


          More details: http://antifashist.com/item/eh-kiev-kiev-vot-zachem-tebe-byli-eti-skazki.html#ix
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          1. +1
            17 2014 June
            Quote: Rus2012
            and further -

            and finally -
            The leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin announced the creation of a “regular army of New Russia,” the DPR press service said.

            It is known that the army is supposed to be created on the basis of the union of the DPR and the Lugansk People’s Republic. Detailed information on the number of personnel and the organization of the army in the press service has not yet been reported.

            Pushilin is currently in Moscow, where he conducts consultations on the socio-economic development of the DPR. “It is necessary to build civic institutions, meet and plan further actions. Now it is necessary to be present here and to carry out some work on the formation of civic institutions, on the formation of the socio-economic sector, ”RIA Novosti quoted Mr. Pushkov as saying. According to him, consultations, in particular, are being held with the assistant to the president of Russia Vladislav Surkov, adviser to the president Sergey Glazyev.

            The telegraph operator reports that today the process of, if not legal, then actual recognition of the DPR is on the agenda in Russia. And this is evidenced by the consultations of Pushilin in Moscow. Russia continues to pursue a policy of preserving human lives and preventing a humanitarian catastrophe. And the creation of a regular army is another sign of statehood in New Russia. The statehood that Ukraine has lost today.
      8. SSR
        +2
        17 2014 June
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Monk
        For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.
        Here at least how, but the situation is VERY and VERY SEVERE. Kolomoisky forms the Crimea battalion. In Crimea itself, there are already facts of provocations against the Russian authorities and troops. It seems that the Americans and Ukrainians who talk a lot about "hybrid wars" decided to implement this scenario against us, turning Crimea into a "hot spot" ...

        In Russia, where you don’t stick, there are hot spots everywhere, and today Russia responds to everyone — and the European Championships ?!
        1. +6
          18 2014 June
          Quote from S.S.R.
          In Russia, where you don’t stick, there are hot spots everywhere, and today Russia responds to everyone — and the European Championships ?!

          It's time for those sly "pacifists" who "do not want war; do not want to send troops to the South-East of Ukraine" to understand: The war is already underway and it was not us who declared it. Stop sticking to the "ostrich" policy! Enough for Russia to become like a "mongrel!", Which then only begins to bite when she was driven into a small booth in the far corner of her yard!
      9. +6
        18 2014 June
        In the meantime, our forces are returning to the border, tanks are being loaded on the railway platform, the impression is that all the Tamanca and cantemation are blowing to the west ...
      10. 0
        18 2014 June
        Quote: svp67
        turning Crimea into a "hot spot" ...

        I agree! Having cleaned up the Donbass, the Kiev junta and the Phishington mentors will become even more insolent from impunity. And chocolate scum has already promised to return the Crimea. So figure out where they will trample, gaining experience, intoxicated by the victory over the MOSK.A.lyami, under the approving howl of the entire liberal West and with the support of the Amer fleet, which is already brazenly creeping into the Black Sea.
      11. Vlad Gore
        +5
        18 2014 June
        Finally, the only negotiations that are being conducted with Kiev — negotiations on gas — take place in an atmosphere of Kiev’s complete rejection of the very concept of "constructive". The absurd demands are made, there is a rejection of any attempts to reach an agreement, blackmail and complete disregard for not only contractual obligations, but direct disregard for the rules and customs of negotiation.
        The main consumer of gas in Ukraine is the industrial Southeast. Having liberated this territory from the population and industry, Kiev will receive free territories for the extraction of oil shale. Plus get rid of gas consumers. And the planned relocation of zapadentsev to the Southeast, is necessary only to service the extraction of oil shale. After the extraction of oil shale, these territories will turn into a lifeless wasteland. That is why Russia cannot (and should not) allow banderlogs to win this war. soldier
      12. pvn53
        +1
        18 2014 June
        This is not a panic, this is a real assessment of the situation, and it is too late to start thinking now, even with concrete actions to help the Donbass, they are already late. But there really is no time, after three or four weeks the junta will block the border and create a boiler, and then it’s only a matter of time - how long will the militias have enough strength.
      13. pvn53
        0
        18 2014 June
        This is not a panic, this is a real assessment of the situation, and it is too late to start thinking now, even with concrete actions to help the Donbass, they are already late. But there really is no time, after three or four weeks the junta will block the border and create a boiler, and then it’s only a matter of time - how long will the militias have enough strength.
    2. -25
      17 2014 June
      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.


      A very competent provocation from el-murid ...
      1. -14
        17 2014 June
        Quote: olegglin


        A very competent provocation from el-murid ...

        I agree completely. Gas is no longer delivered without prepayment, a terrorist attack on one of the pipelines of the pipeline, and he writes all about some gas contracts ...
        He gives a dude, does not keep pace with events ...
        1. +5
          17 2014 June
          Intoxicated with blood, the junta is completely inadequate. The roof has moved to the West, to the East only physiological functions. The slogan is "G nah Austen !!!" We don't have enough golds. It's time to arrange a flight to Smolensk.
          1. +1
            17 2014 June
            I will add censorship. "" S.R.A.N.G on, x Austen! "
          2. +2
            17 2014 June
            waiting love just have to wait for the fog
          3. +3
            17 2014 June
            really ... we specialize here more on poles with the Germans winked
            1. +3
              18 2014 June
              We must constantly work on ourselves and improve our skills! :)))
      2. +7
        17 2014 June
        A very competent provocation from el-murid ...


        Are you very sure about this? Maybe first you read ... comprehend ... and then give an assessment ....
        The situation is much more complicated ... than you think ...
        1. Andrey82
          +7
          17 2014 June
          I wrote comments in the same vein that you need help, you need to expel the liberals from the government and turn off the gas. So for some reason cheers patriots minus me.
          And according to the article - unfortunately, from the moment we fell for the "agreement" in Geneva, our policy was somehow sharply deflated.
        2. SSR
          0
          17 2014 June
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          A very competent provocation from el-murid ...


          Are you very sure about this? Maybe first you read ... comprehend ... and then give an assessment ....
          The situation is much more complicated ... than you think ...

          Well, tell us by "garlic" how much more complicated it is, everyone was just waiting for you, as an expert of last resort, to explain everything to everyone.
          Maybe you yourself once again comprehend and then explain to everyone what is more difficult than everyone thinks ?!
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    3. +1
      17 2014 June
      Toka wanted to write "stop panic", but you got ahead ...
      1. +5
        17 2014 June
        Quote: sabakina
        Toka wanted to write "stop panic", but you got ahead ...

        Panic goes on ... Today, Radio Liberty was periodically quoting Strelkov's words "If Russia does not help, we will not hold out for more than a month" All day. And I listen to them often and why all of a sudden they squealed so sharply ..?
        1. +5
          17 2014 June
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And I listen to them often, and why did everyone suddenly so sharply whistle ..?

          apparently something terrible is expected in early August ...
          Default 3,14ndosia for example.
          They also write here that "Ukraine within 1 month should close the border with Russia."
        2. SSR
          +4
          17 2014 June
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: sabakina
          Toka wanted to write "stop panic", but you got ahead ...

          Panic goes on ... Today, Radio Liberty was periodically quoting Strelkov's words "If Russia does not help, we will not hold out for more than a month" All day. And I listen to them often and why all of a sudden they squealed so sharply ..?

          So from Starikov yesterday the article was - or maybe it should be like that ?! Type give an alibi of Russia?
          1. +2
            18 2014 June
            Quote from S.S.R.
            So from Starikov yesterday the article was - or maybe it should be like that ?! Type give an alibi of Russia?

            I wanted to find an image of an ostrich in your comments, it did not work out. Look for yourself and admire.
    4. +17
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Monk
      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.

      I have two options in my brain. 1 they push us and very strongly to war, thereby paralyzing and isolating us. 2 they scare us all with victims and that Putin’s inaction will lead to the collapse of the country, thereby pushing the country to its own Maidan or Maidan with one or another slogan. even already from all the articles the forum was divided into two camps. what can I say about the country. yes, the country itself tears me into two parts and I agree with those and those. Putin’s silence scares me at all.
      you have to do something
      1. INFOLegioner
        +3
        17 2014 June
        the same thoughts and doubts. one to one. So what's wrong with the proposal (option of action) in the open (or closed) comprehensive assistance (without the introduction of troops and weapons of mass destruction) from the Kremlin? is it a question for millions of Russian lives, or billions of dollars? and which of this is more important for the Kremlin? It is scary and disgusting to think if the Moscow elite gives a deep shit about the situation in Donbass and is simply sorry to spend money in defense of "these goyim" ...
        1. 0
          18 2014 June
          Help is already provided. Exactly on that scale so as not to light up. Because if we light up, the US response to Kiev will not be long in coming (it still exists, but again on a scale so as not to light up too much). The only thing that we will achieve open help is to transfer the situation from the category of local conflict to a full-scale war. Will it reduce the number of victims? Offer your option of assistance. What would you do in place of GDP?
      2. SMV
        SMV
        -1
        17 2014 June
        Quote: punk
        Quote: Monk
        For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.

        I have two options in my brain. 1 they push us and very strongly to war, thereby paralyzing and isolating us. 2 they scare us all with victims and that Putin’s inaction will lead to the collapse of the country, thereby pushing the country to its own Maidan or Maidan with one or another slogan. even already from all the articles the forum was divided into two camps. what can I say about the country. yes, the country itself tears me into two parts and I agree with those and those. Putin’s silence scares me at all.
        you have to do something


        It's good that Putin does not read all this nonsense !!!
      3. +1
        18 2014 June
        I have 12 people in my team. If before Putin supported 50%, then after the Crimea, almost everything. And now even I doubt it, although I have always been for him. Somehow, faith in it disappears every day in Ukraine.
        1. +1
          18 2014 June
          Quote: woron333444
          And now even I doubt

          What a windy you are.
      4. +2
        18 2014 June
        Believe me, Putin's silence not only frightens you, but all "progressive humanity". smile
      5. 0
        18 2014 June
        Quote: punk
        you have to do something

        This is how hysterical ladies usually react in a situation that requires restraint, composure and patience. And they usually end up in .OPU. And adult uncles usually say: "Now we will slowly descend from the mountain and vye ... the whole herd.
    5. +7
      17 2014 June
      alarmists, do you even argue your position
      1. +5
        17 2014 June
        this is ridiculous, let's ban this post ...
      2. +1
        18 2014 June
        Yes ... Putin will leave, Navalny will come. There will be Bush and Coca-Cola legs with a hamburger!
    6. SSR
      +14
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Monk
      I still have hope that the authorities will not betray our people in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Slavyansk and Lysychansk. It is hoped that thousands of those killed during these weeks did not die for nothing. However, events are moving very fast. The bill is not for months. Perhaps a month or even a week. Next, we will be forced to finally move on to the scenarios into which the US and their jackals are driving us into Kiev.


      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.

      Only a plus!
      Comrades forum users, aren’t you ashamed of yourself? Aki hysterics are hysterical, a simple question - but at least one of the loudly screaming all-embracing polymerists can imagine that for example Russia is delaying the moment of a great war or a mess that would have time to prepare for it as much as possible?
      Tearing the vest and sitting on the couch / chair and banging loudly on the clave loudly - this of course can scare anyone, but let's not forget that there are people on the topvar who are not just for trying and can have a direct relation to the word war.
      Ps
      I’ll say thanks to any minuser if he just expresses his version, but then there’s a lot of pseudo grunts)))
      1. SMV
        SMV
        +1
        18 2014 June
        Quote from S.S.R.
        but something pseudo crackers became a lot)))


        Yes, yes ... I noticed the same ...
      2. 0
        18 2014 June
        Quote from S.S.R.
        can have a direct bearing on the word war. PS Any thanks to the minuser I’ll say thank you if he just expresses his version and then there’s a lot of pseudo crackers)))

        Credit
    7. +12
      17 2014 June
      I agree with Monk. The fact that we are not shown all the assistance provided does not mean that it is not there. But I agree with the author - MANPADS is good, but it's time to "find a wildly secret warehouse" on the territory of Novorossia where there are 100 T-72 tanks, a battery of GRADs, shilki, tunguska - all made in the USSR - the legend is a top-secret stash of the KGB, the ancient grandfather accidentally remembered where he served. Yes, it sounds a bit fantastic - but much more believable than the nonsense that the junta and Psaki regularly carry. hi
      1. +1
        18 2014 June
        Quote: Anisim1977
        there are 100 tanks T-72, battery HAILS, Shilka, Tunguski - all made in the USSR -

        I already wrote something like that, but I had to find the "secret warehouse" "yesterday"! And now? To please, perhaps, the army is coming out with trophies?
      2. +2
        18 2014 June
        Psaki already noted. Like, I don’t understand
        What kind of journalists is the bazaar about? The data are unreliable, because they did not report anything to us from Kiev.
      3. +2
        18 2014 June
        Right! The Ukrainians will believe even such nonsense, they are to blame: a report on the destruction of a column of T-72 tanks that arrived in the Donetsk region from ... Crimea was broadcast on the TSN Ukrop channel. The stupid militias did not know that this tank was a good tank at a distance, they drove into the city and were shot from 50-100 meters by the valiant Ukrop army. At the same time, shots were shown with the tanks of the ukroarmiya t-64 and, attention! Tanks from the presentation of the game "Word of Tanks"))) the inscription in the right corner said about the filming location of this "documentary confirmation" - "Donetsk" ... the ukropians believed and rejoiced, Russian forums perished with laughter.
      4. +2
        18 2014 June
        Help is catastrophically small! In New Russia there are many people who want to fight with the junta, so there is no need to enter the troops, for now. But such a scenario is quite possible that they will blow us up for us, for example, a residential apartment building with residents somewhere in Nikolaev and announce that it was the RA that shot it from Iskander, and all the Western media will pick it up and howl will raise it. And to prove to them the opposite there will be no way. It’s not necessary to help with tanks, now (later it’s possible), but attack helicopters, multiple launch rocket systems are urgently needed for the first time by the militias!
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    9. +4
      18 2014 June
      Countries are like people. We were all guys once.
      And we know. what if the rich, if he has an Elder brother, doesn’t mean anything yet.
      And they fought almost to death to have respect, didn’t think that they would be expelled from school, their parents would be expelled from work? And they sought. Because the fathers taught, if you are afraid of something, you better not live. This liberalism is beginning to bother.
    10. +6
      18 2014 June
      Quote: Monk
      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.

      Good. You are right (about emotions)! It’s hard to disagree. BUT, since you are so cold-blooded and cold-headed and still urge you not to panic, then I am sure you have all the answers to all the questions ??!
      People are sincerely worried about the fate of Novorossiya ... They are worried about crippled destinies there (and later here). THIS (what is happening) will not leave anyone indifferent sooner or later. Or do you sincerely consider the concepts of HONOR and DIGNITY to be outdated long ago? Or do you equate these concepts with the ability to buy yourself a kilogram of "expensive" sausage, or change the TV to a large diagonal?
      My comment may seem alarming. BUT, what is happening now (double standards, absolute neglect of international law, total and complete cynicism) in relation to Russia from the west, suggests that there are plans to start a BIG mess in the west!
      In my observation, people (let's take our VO site) are divided into three types:
      1. Everything was lost ... SE merged ... Putin is a traitor ...
      2. You don’t understand anything ... Help ... This is the plan.
      3. I won’t talk about him ... (everyone will think of it)
      Until when will we wipe the snot from our face, which they spit in our face? What must happen so that we understand that they will not stop (you do not think that ALL THIS was started only because of the Dill's GTS). At the same time, I am the same "sofa" fighter for the good intentions of the Russian World, like many in the country and on the site. I am aware of this. But, you are ready to quickly label people (alarmist, in a hurry, etc.).
      PS Many sincerely worry. Most absolutely do not want war (I agree). BUT how is it: RUSSIANS DO NOT THROW OWNERS ... Just words ??????????
      1. SMV
        SMV
        0
        18 2014 June
        Quote: juneart
        PS Many sincerely worry. Most absolutely do not want war (I agree). BUT how is it: RUSSIANS DO NOT THROW OWNERS ... Just words ??????????


        Read ...http: //nstarikov.ru/blog/41296
    11. 0
      18 2014 June
      Hmm ... I agree with YOU ... It is necessary to INCLUDE the HEAD and not to PANIC ... DO NOT WAIT Bendery ... There will be NO surrender of the Southeast ... !!!
    12. diesel
      +1
      18 2014 June
      For a month now it’s necessary to act as a power, and some have not yet begun to think. Late my friend, get a ticket to Paris.
  2. Darthrevan
    +28
    17 2014 June
    Quote: Monk
    For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.


    Tell it to the residents of Donbass.
    1. +15
      17 2014 June
      I say this to everyone, but how did you like it? they scolded the mattresses with their finger and they ran ,? leave the illusions there is a war going on and there can be no emotions in a war, only a cold head otherwise you are a corpse.
      1. Darthrevan
        +2
        17 2014 June
        And the Kremlin now has the most that has a cold head. Only people are still dying. Let's hope that our country succeeds in stopping this.
    2. +8
      17 2014 June
      Quote: DarthRevan
      Quote: Monk
      For starters, she can stop this panic and start thinking cold-headed with all the abundance of emotions.


      Tell it to the residents of Donbass.

      residents of Donbass stick in the mine in favor of those who shoot at their home and families
      1. Darthrevan
        +6
        17 2014 June
        Well then, do not care, let them shoot at them, so what? Children and women also work in the mines apparently.
      2. +4
        17 2014 June
        You're right. In fact, the miners are all on the drum. They don’t care who they plow, fascists or communists.
        1. Darthrevan
          +4
          17 2014 June
          Miners, by the way, need to feed families, because if you don’t eat, you can starve to death. Therefore, all miners cannot go to the front. The economy of the region will rise. And so they at least somehow make ends meet.
      3. +1
        18 2014 June
        Quote: niki233
        residents of Donbass stick in the mine in favor of those who shoot at their home and families

        Who are you to decide that it is very simple: to leave your wife, children, elderly parents and go to the tank with a gun ?! militia "have" 100 armored personnel carriers're coming out of the army, and about the "cries" zasrancev in Russia that it is not necessary to fight (help) for Novorossiya?
    3. nikbor
      +9
      17 2014 June
      It is easy to comment on the most difficult situation ... But it is necessary to act more actively on all fronts - the Russians will not forgive the defeat in the Donbass!
    4. +11
      17 2014 June
      And you tell us, there are more than a million men in Donbass in general. It is not necessary to transfer arrows to the Russian Federation and constantly communicate with us with slogans. Argument. Just come on without "united Russia, etc.". In 2006-10, when our veterans were jammed in the same Donbass on Victory Day, for some reason, the residents of Donbass had a completely different position. Nobody says that the Russian Federation is not helping Donbass now: the DPR and LPR feel help, as in uniforms, in people, small arms, protection, ammunition, even MANPADS and Granikami. What else is needed for the people there to really stand up for their own defense and stop eating doshiraki under mortar attacks? Let your boys go to the defense? What will this give now, except for complete chaos and enthusiastic cries of the West, subsequently - attacks on Syria, for no reason (people also live there, if that) and other countries, Russia will be recognized as a world aggressor! What do you all want? You need to think with your head, analyze, listen to older and smart people !!!! Your soul mlyn !!!
      1. Darthrevan
        +7
        17 2014 June
        Russia's problem is that we care too much about the international image, about what they think about us in Europe or in the states. Personally, I (and not only me) do not care what the US State Department will say about the organization of a no-fly zone over the Donbass or the entry of peacekeepers there. But the image is more important than the lives of people.

        And about a million men - you won’t especially fight without weapons. What should they do? Marsh to go to the artillery position and die heroically under volleys?
        1. +7
          17 2014 June
          Quote: DarthRevan
          Russia's problem is that we care too much about the international image, about what they think about us in Europe or in the states. Personally, I (and not only me) do not care what the US State Department will say about the organization of a no-fly zone over the Donbass or the entry of peacekeepers there. But the image is more important than the lives of people.

          THIS IS ALL YOUTH
          Quote: DarthRevan
          you won’t fight without weapons

          Tell me, who knows how to use these weapons? With a dozen tankers found already or not? who can charge the D-30, so as not to kill in the chest from the sleeve? Or maybe they don’t have mortars? All this is nonsense, we must go and fight, let them put 14 mm on the turrets (they cook, as in Libya) on their basins and drive them without fear of death. Then everyone will understand that neither death nor fear will stop people. There is no mass character, all youth are pissing.
          1. Darthrevan
            +3
            17 2014 June
            Well, that means they also need to be trained, otherwise they will be shot in the first battle, then the sense from them. Where should they get these 14mm? Where to plant tankmen?
            1. +2
              17 2014 June
              In general, Gubarev announced the recruitment, but apparently - there are no specialists either, or the 40-year-olds are not ready to tear their asses off the sofas, who else in the USSR received excellent preparation of the theorem, etc. Teach? So not complexes, what to train them for, a week of assholes and a very good machine gunner can work out. Maintain adjacent corners and sectors of fire must be able to do for the most part. What is not there, cliffs? Solemar they left so much of everything there after the 90s - you’ll sway.
              1. Darthrevan
                +1
                18 2014 June
                Once announced, then they will. But it seems that they are coping so far, although the situation has worsened. Maybe now there will be more volunteers. If only a set of weapons would be announced, preferably heavy ... But where to get it only
        2. +1
          18 2014 June
          Plus! Our people are dying, cities and enterprises are crumbling — which we’ll restore one hell ... and the image has already gone to minus from ostrich tactics.
          Gordon on Channel 1 threw a sensible thought (IMHO) - to suggest that the UN introduce a no-fly zone over Lugansk and Donetsk, get a refusal and enter it unilaterally, all without crossing borders, using air defense systems ...
        3. portoc65
          +3
          18 2014 June
          In the course of the Donbass, exactly as many people are fighting — as far as weapons are available .. I talked with the guys ... while they take specialists first and who have experience in combat .. there are many people .. there’s nothing to fight .. it's true. But with every in the afternoon more and more becomes a militia .. junta right now in tantrums
      2. +2
        18 2014 June
        "even MANPADS and Granikami ..."
        Yes, IT IS SAYED that MANPADS and Granikov are simple, T U P O - M A L O ...! fool
        Do you need to read out the whole list ... ??? What was taught to the military on "Shots" ... forgotten, mlyn? Need to wait for a hint from the forum? What is the STATE for ..? My answer is for the gifted. It is for THIS - TO PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE, WHERE HE WAS NOT LIVING! And do not count the profits for gas WHEN PEOPLE ARE KILLED. Is that clear ??? am
        1. -1
          18 2014 June
          Reasonedly, thanks)) As for weapons - there is Soledar. There it is in bulk, albeit old (but Mosinki, from 700 meters hollows so that the asses fall off when hit with a hand). Granikov and MANPADS are few? Well, yes, it’s clear that the DB is coming, something is flying out of the arsenal, something is being dragged .. let the leadership of the DPR and LPR decide this process, this is a matter of equipment and interaction. Well, for example, I also won’t believe that the Russian Federation behaves like an old ensign who swallowed a weapon key and sits in front of the door. There’s another question - weapons should be given to trained guys who have run around the training camp with him for at least a couple of weeks (it doesn’t matter if the camp itself is there or not, they train like that near Donetsk and work so that they don’t send their bodies to relatives for self-arrows). So what else is the question: do you need heavy weapons? Well, for God's sake, there are experts who can manage it? These fools will be more complicated than AK, and you need to read at least some kind of hardware. The army is not created in a month, this is also a matter of organization. I do not exclude the possibility that there are groups of militias who train in the Russian Federation, then they will normally go on the technique, as they will surrender more or less to C grade.
  3. +1
    17 2014 June
    There are two options, either force intervention, or they themselves will fall apart. The second option, which interestingly involves a greater number of victims.
    1. +5
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Barboskin
      or they will fall apart.

      Good material to confirm:

      In Ukraine, the money allocated by the EU to strengthen the border with Russia disappeared

      EU Ambassador to Ukraine Jan Tombinsky said today that the European Union has allocated tens of millions of dollars to Ukraine to strengthen the eastern border.
      But this money disappeared in an unknown direction, reports RT.

      - As for the border with Russia. We, as the EU, have provided tens of millions of euros to help Ukrainian border guards.
      What we are getting now, Ukrainian border guards are asking for money to buy everything. But where did the money given by the EU go?
      - Tombinsky said, speaking at the ІV National Expert Forum "From Revolution to a New Country", writes Correspondent.net.
      - Ukraine needs to deal with corruption, with transparency. After all, these funds were previously used inefficiently, he concluded.
      On the eve it became known that the European Commission transferred to Ukraine the next tranche of financial assistance. This is an amount of about € 500 million.
      It is planned that the entire EU will transfer to Ukraine € 1,6 billion of aid.
      Subject to the fulfillment of all economic agreements, Ukraine will be able to receive the full amount of assistance from the EU during this year.

      Does anyone else believe in the pure thoughts of the leaders of Ukrainian revolution?
      "speaking at the IV National Expert Forum" From Revolution to a New Country "", and an interesting get-together! Don't you think so?
      1. +21
        17 2014 June
        Guys ...
        hunting for you to be clever ....
        there is an elementary solution to ALL problems in Ukraine -
        just shooting .. half-moronic half-morons ... unidentified persons ...
        Well, there will be another .. a great heavenly hundred pederasts ... business then.
        And how many of them got divorced ... during the war.
        DPR, LPR also said exactly - we will work on specific people ...
        Agree - the elimination of just a couple of dozens of idiots - Tipo Yaytsenyuk, Avakov, Lyashko, Parubiya, this redhead from the SBU ... the fool of deputy Oskull ... who is the only one who doesn’t skip ...
        There’s no need to shoot the President, Kalomoisky, Taratuta, Hernes ...
        Underneath the level of neo-fools sits another level - implementing solutions ... they are also there .... in superplastic ..
        And the whole life of Vukraina will end. As if by magic.
        ...
        Just to spit in the face at the level of the President of Russia is worthless.
        And if we let it down, then it is worthless to all of us, Russians.

        The point is no longer in the South-East of Ukraine. Not in Ukraine. Not in the idiotic leadership of the Square.
        Case in Russia.
        Are we going to be rude to be mean?
        Or we have the LAW.
        1. +2
          17 2014 June
          present-day Russia is a valley from the USSR. Here then, the KGB could have removed anyone, anywhere.
          1. +2
            18 2014 June
            And the FSB and BP are on Twitter. feel
        2. +3
          17 2014 June
          and I agree or not, the persrnalies are not the same ... the oligarchs must be the first to be demonstrative at the same time, within an hour hmm .. uh ... put on a stake. they are cut off from impunity in the snag. therefore walk the field. an ambassador for example, to blow some kind of Canada or Australia to a vigorous grandmother, hi on gas contracts. everyone else is just talking heads.
          At the same time, Bildelberg kam kind of greetings. those, too, are raging with impunity, all immortal have become direct. and the people are dying ...
      2. +1
        18 2014 June
        Cash injections into the Ukrainian junta are addictive, like drugs or racket. After the first dose, more and more is required, more and more. As a result, everything is stolen - and even what they don’t give. A great tragedy will be when they get to the nuclear power plant. There will be a big drum. soldier
  4. portoc65
    +5
    17 2014 June
    THIS IS NOT A JUST WAR .. a vile war. A war without rules. This is not even a genocide war. Without the help of Russia, punishers will flood Novorossia with blood. Forces are not equal.
    1. +25
      17 2014 June
      Quote: portoc65
      THIS IS NOT A JUST WAR .. a vile war. A war without rules. This is not even a genocide war. Without the help of Russia, punishers will flood Novorossia with blood. Forces are not equal.

      Dear comrade, I have a question for you: you signed up 8 (eight) days ago, during this time you managed to write 360 comments, the difference between your posts is on average 2-4 (two to four) minutes, with which on different branches and without separation to sleep. Those interested can see for themselves. Your messages differ in a certain emotional orientation. How do you manage to cope with such a volume of information? You are amazing dexterity comrade !!!
      1. +6
        17 2014 June
        At the same time, they are strikingly monotonous and do not carry essential information, I also looked through the "comrade's" profile yesterday ... BUT people add to them, which is suggestive.
        1. +5
          17 2014 June
          Quote: Orik
          At the same time, they are strikingly monotonous and do not carry essential information, I also looked through the "comrade's" profile yesterday ... BUT people add to them, which is suggestive.

          A classic manipulative technique built on affirming beliefs.
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          1. portoc65
            -10
            17 2014 June
            heal yourself buddy
      2. +4
        17 2014 June
        Quote: Nekarmadlen
        at what on different branches and without interruption to sleep. Those interested can see for themselves.

        Yeah, it's funny. And the directionality in one direction is so clear. "Gulchatai" Portosovny, skoka you there under one "portoc65" laughing
      3. portoc65
        +2
        17 2014 June
        I live in Portugal in the city of Porto, in a foreign country. I myself from Ukraine, from Zaporozhye, have been living for 15 years in Europe .. by the way, our channels are jamming here .. I have a satellite .. if a channel breaks in 5 minutes in a day, already okay .. Now on vacation, I'm a fan of Military Review .. I’m getting info here for 3 years .. on the soap I have a group for 2 years with the same name, Military Review, there are 8 thousand people in it .. Now on vacation .. from tell me what is bad that I like to hang out here? I am a patriot of Russia I am Russian and I am concerned that in my homeland there is genocide of the Russian population ..
        1. +4
          18 2014 June
          Quote: portoc65
          what's wrong that I like to hang here?

          The forum is degrading from empty cries of urya and dykes to each other or posts about the well-known statements of other people. We need new information, a reasoned (!) Discussion of problems from the point of view of different specialists.
          For example, about jamming channels in more detail there will be useful information, whose "ours" are Ukrainian or Russian once from Zaporozhye ???? Again, it is interesting how the situation in Portugal is presented, how the tone of the media changes (if it changes), the attitude of people, this is what is interesting, and we ourselves know well-known things ...
          1. portoc65
            0
            18 2014 June
            Is the forum just for you or for everyone?
        2. +6
          18 2014 June
          Calm down and breathe deeper. Just a war on the verge of Russia, not Portugal. And this is not the situation that we Russians came up with, but Uncle Sam, who was used to sticking his long nose into other people's gardens. We do not want this war, because on the other side of the border are not only enemies (long-standing and fierce), but also ordinary people - Slavs, like us. But I am sure of one thing - July 22, 1941 will not happen again. It will be necessary, we will beat hard, and no Sam will save. soldier
        3. -2
          18 2014 June
          ,, I live in Portugal ,,))) Yes, yes, we already heard about one such ,, daughter of an officer ,,))))))))))))))))) I would also like to draw the attention of those present, on another similar type, under the nickname Corsair)))
          1. +1
            18 2014 June
            Quote: bugaev2005
            on another similar type, under the nickname Corsair)))


            And every such abortion of reflections is accompanied by a retinue of a controlling minus. No other topic is monitored like this. So the "Crimean" significant stratum apparently dug in here too.

            Quote: olegglin
            A very competent provocation from el-murid ...


            And this is generally torn.
      4. portoc65
        -3
        18 2014 June
        Quote: Nekarmadlen
        Quote: portoc65
        THIS IS NOT A JUST WAR .. a vile war. A war without rules. This is not even a genocide war. Without the help of Russia, punishers will flood Novorossia with blood. Forces are not equal.

        Dear comrade, I have a question for you: you signed up 8 (eight) days ago, during this time you managed to write 360 comments, the difference between your posts is on average 2-4 (two to four) minutes, with which on different branches and without separation to sleep. Those interested can see for themselves. Your messages differ in a certain emotional orientation. How do you manage to cope with such a volume of information? You are amazing dexterity comrade !!!
        http://my.mail.ru/community/patj/?ref=cat
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    2. +4
      17 2014 June
      Any war is not fair and vile.
      1. portoc65
        -3
        18 2014 June
        every human life is unique
  5. +3
    17 2014 June
    Today is a competition of the same topics?
    1. portoc65
      -5
      17 2014 June
      Well, yes .. everyone just cares ... The war went into our house
      1. +6
        17 2014 June
        portoc65! I repeat the question
        Nekarmadlen: You registered 8 (eight) days ago, during which time you managed to write 360 ​​comments, the difference between your posts is on average 2-4 (two to four) minutes, and on different branches and without interruption to sleep. Those interested can see for themselves. Your messages differ in a certain emotional orientation. How do you manage to cope with such a volume of information? You are amazing dexterity comrade !!!
        I wonder how many of you?
      2. +3
        18 2014 June
        Quote: portoc65
        .. The war went to our house

        Typical Anglo-Saxon error in Russian!
        1. portoc65
          -1
          18 2014 June
          Do you all have a phobia?
    2. +6
      17 2014 June
      Today is a competition of the same topics?

      ... I don’t know ... of the same type ... or there is no topic ... but the question of the life and death of our compatriots cannot leave anyone indifferent ... for the DEADLINE line has come ... so journalists usually like to indicate the extreme position - LINE DEATH (literal translation) ... therefore, publications ... there are so many responses to them ...
      And this line .... the position in SE UKRAINE comes ... the punishers will stop at nothing ....
      Russia is in a very difficult position ... you’ll go to the right - you’ll lose your head ... to the left - your head ... That's the whole choice ... but I'm sure ... a solution will be found ... and the head .. .and the head will remain intact ...
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  6. +6
    17 2014 June
    Not everything is as straightforward as shown in the article. Yes, the fifth column in our leadership is already operating without looking back. Patriots, in addition to fighting the enemy, must also overcome the resistance of compradors. GDP does not see, or does not want to see all this, then this is the road to nowhere. In the event of our defeat, the compradors will expose him as a traitor. We will not let them carry out their filthy plans.
    1. +2
      17 2014 June
      Everything is not so straightforward, the beginning of the letter to the officer’s daughter is direct. Maybe not unambiguously, but close to reality.
  7. +10
    17 2014 June
    BRAVO! But where is this massive help ?! All reasonable authors write about it. The situation is really threatening, even if we take an amendment to the Ukrop map. In these conditions, the republics will not hold out for a long time, but it is necessary 6-8 months until the "state" of Ukraine finally destroys itself.
    1. +5
      17 2014 June
      Russia, of course, helps - but in such a casual way that it is impossible to catch a hand with facts. After all, the United States also plays for the Kiev illegitimate regime - and they play much more clumsy and more obvious, their participation is carefully documented. Have you forgotten about the captured CIA curator? The United States will refuse him, of course - but he knows so much and will sing so much that it is unlikely that he will pass him off as an initiative. It is no coincidence that the United States had to reduce the use of Academi fighters and urgently pull up the Poles.
  8. +13
    17 2014 June
    All is correct. Help is needed. And the faster, the better. It's sick to look at destruction and death. To be honest, a guilty complex has already appeared in front of the residents of the South East. Is Putin interested in the same feelings as mine?
  9. +15
    17 2014 June
    In principle, there may be an intermediate version of the type to throw Strelkov equipment and volunteers who know how to use this technology. Again, if the 300s are deployed at the border, this is a 200km no-fly zone. In general, options are possible without the introduction of troops.
    Well, again, they said that the gas pipeline had broken, which meant reverse gas supplies from Slovakia to Ukraine to pump. Maybe it is not designed for reverse, so it exploded, or maybe ... As Winnie the Pooh said, "this is not easy."
    1. +3
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Nagan
      In principle, there may be an intermediate version of the type to throw Strelkov equipment and volunteers who know how to use this technology. Again, if the 300s are deployed at the border, this is a 200km no-fly zone. In general, options are possible without the introduction of troops.

      Didn’t you read the article ?! About the third option, the whole conversation ...
    2. +3
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Nagan
      Again, if you deploy 300s complexes at the border, it’s 200km no-fly zone


      And B4 and furthermore hypersonic anti-aircraft guided missiles.
  10. Stypor23
    +5
    17 2014 June
    I wonder how the Israeli embassy in Paris would behave if the Arabs made such a demarche.
    1. +4
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Stypor23
      I wonder how the Israeli embassy in Paris would behave if the Arabs made such a demarche.

      This is not a correct comparison, the Arabs do not yet have a big shot in Paris, and do not act together with the whole of France, under the banner of "Jews to Gilyak"!
      1. Stypor23
        +3
        17 2014 June
        Correct comparison. How do we know, our media will not show this. and Europeans even more so. In 2005, they crawled out onto the streets of the capital. And right now, the Jews will say 3 synagogues, and we want 1002 mosques, and you forbid us to build, this is an insult to our feelings.
    2. ReifA
      +2
      17 2014 June
      In the event of a threat to the life of diplomats, they would shoot everyone threatening. Yes, I think the Russian security would do the same.
      1. Stypor23
        +4
        17 2014 June
        There are even more videos on the Ukrainian YouTube with our embassy. It feels like the order for diplomas was not to succumb to provocations, but to quietly die peacefully in the event of something. Why did I write about the Jews. I like how they act decisively in the event of any impending threat. Decisively, persistently and stubbornly.
  11. Tanechka-clever
    +16
    17 2014 June
    I agree with the author - "It's time to start the process of assistance at all levels."
    If today it is not Russia that begins to impose its scenario on the United States on Ukraine - then the United States, which has been playing its game in Ukraine for 25 years, will impose the game on Russia exclusively by its own rules - and Russia will only have to play catch-up.
    We will be forced to play a "negotiated" game similar to solving gas issues, which lasted a long time, but to no avail. The essence of the negotiations was not to solve problems, but to force Russia into humiliating agreements. Ukraine in fact no longer exists, and its people have been turned by the United States into an object for destruction. Only when this realization comes in Kiev and in the West - it will not be worth helping them. But today we must save the southeast. Russia has little choice, but it has always been that way.
    1. +3
      17 2014 June
      Tanechka .... Southeast is already lost.
      Such destruction of infrastructure will require such injections that they are ... unlikely.
      Russia was faced with a choice - NON-ELECTION. Put before the fact.
      Or we admit defeat, in much more difficult conditions than even in 1993. Including denunciation of gas agreement with China.
      Or we are finally breaking with Europe and the States. Our oligarchs ... everything, everything ... I emphasize .... including the President, the cultural Fifth Column, the rest of the riffraff - under the threat of losing what was stolen by your own labor - they will immediately screw it there .... - and we remain with the initial version - defeat ....
      ...
      Empty talking room.
      At all levels.
      The President owns a large amount of information !!!! .... chip of recent days.
      and the country's population - the people - INTUITIVELY - feels - the TRUTH.
      And all business.
      ...
      How sometimes I envy the Israelites.
      Little country. And when it was necessary - they didn’t turn on anyone - they slammed Mengele from Argentina, multiplied by zero terrorists in Munich, launched atomic bombs, bombed nuclear reactors in Syria.
      And they spit on WORLD opinion.
      For - the country and the SPIRIT - are more expensive than destruction.
      Which will never be.
      ...
      Russia is ALIVE !!!
      1. Andrey82
        0
        17 2014 June
        I support. Completely. After all, Russians are being drained not only there, but here as well. It's just that we have a polar fox in the form of collapse and massacre of Russian Islamists and Bandera people coming from the West with the support of Western "partners" will not be tomorrow, but in years. I wonder what then will be said by those who are now covering up the "drain" with phrases like - It can't be, there is a cunning plan ... blah blah .... ?!
      2. 0
        18 2014 June
        Just explain, where is Putin screwing up "retirement", calmly, until the end of his life to the West? And not even to the West, eh? Has he become sharply stupid lately?
        1. Andrey82
          +1
          18 2014 June
          I explain - if Russia "merges", as Hunchback "merged" the Union - then maybe until the end of his days he will turn to the West. Why not? And our future ... read the Marauder or Punisher Berkem al Atomi. Everything is described in detail there.
  12. +14
    17 2014 June
    Whatever it was, but New Russia must be recognized. Those who believe that Russia will "drain" Novorossiya will receive peace are mistaken. Will not receive! Nearby there will be such a hostile state (if, of course, you can call Banderia a state) that psheks, Balts and mattress covers will seem like the nicest neighbors. Peace will no longer exist and good relations with Banderia will not work, no matter how someone might count on it.
    1. +2
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Rigla
      Whatever it was, but New Russia must be recognized. Those who believe that Russia will "drain" Novorossiya will receive peace are mistaken. Will not receive! Nearby there will be such a hostile state (if, of course, you can call Banderia a state) that psheks, Balts and mattress covers will seem like the nicest neighbors. Peace will no longer exist and good relations with Banderia will not work, no matter how someone might count on it.

      It is not necessary to recognize, but massive and organized help is needed yesterday.
      1. Steel loli
        +3
        18 2014 June
        Just the same must be admitted. With the recognition of the independence of these republics, Russia would be able to bring the South-East to an official level, one might say "legalize" relations and make Novorossiya an official third party in negotiations with Ukraine.
        Until it does, the United States will call the rebels "terrorists" and Russia the state sponsoring terrorists. From this, new sanctions will fall from the West.

        Moreover, it is not even necessary to introduce troops, just openly declare the emergence of two new "state" structures in the territory of the South-East of Ukraine and their desire for sovereignty. This will force Europe to revise the official legend in relation to the "Ukrainian separatists".
  13. +12
    17 2014 June
    the bill goes to the clock! no illusions, 100% agree with the author, it is a pity that he did not take into account the results of the "negotiations" on gas, in them, as in a drop of water, our Russian reality was reflected! There are more and more questions to our government and the Duma, but the answers are not heard! am
  14. strong man
    +10
    17 2014 June
    The Russian people can forgive the authorities and the stolen officials of embezzlers and parasites oligarchs and poor roads and low living standards! But he clearly will not forgive the Kremlin for betrayal and betrayal! Russia in the form of aid to Novorossia does not help some ephemeral Ukrainians, Russians help itself on the territory of the LPR and the DPR; Seven million Russians living in the DPR and LPR are a huge human potential and no sanctions can be compared with the loss of life! In addition, the vast majority of people on the left-bank Ukraine treat Russia with Sympathy! And this is more than 20 mil people!
    1. +4
      18 2014 June
      I don’t know exactly how many of us in Dnepropetrovsk I think that no more than 10% - the rest are happy with everything or show that they are happy - the main idea among people - thank God we are quiet - what to add? - asked himself -nothing -shame for myself -3 night sleep no, and there is no way out either
    2. Tanechka-clever
      +2
      18 2014 June
      Quote: strong man
      But he clearly will not forgive the Kremlin for betrayal and treason


      Agree. The fall of Slavyansk will be tantamount to betrayal. The mood in society will gradually begin to fade. And then the "feast during the plague" is likely to come. Weapons are always strength, and strength should force someone to work for themselves. Poland had a strong trade union organization in Soviet times, but now it simply does not exist. The question is why - the answer is very simple. To defeat the enemy - you need to stand at the head of the driving force. The masses need to be made clear - THEY ARE GREAT POWER, and when the deed is done, this mass can be under the "knife".
      The Polish version was also used in Kiev through the Maidan - Hitler also used this option "through the people." Therefore, today there are fascists in Poland and Kiev, and the puppeteers in the United States are "American exceptionalism", which originates in the Jewish
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  15. dFG
    +8
    17 2014 June
    here is another sane article, even with some analysis, the conclusions from which are quite viable .... scare you with killed soldiers of the Russian Federation so suppress air defenses and inflict a number of air strikes, panic among undeterred dill, bring mountains of weapons ... what the hell are the rules when no one on the other side is observing them ?? the main conclusion of the article is true when dill has euphoria like that of the Russian Federation from the Crimea ... the Crimea of ​​the Russian Federation will not deter it just will not let it do it ... well, and there on the manege / swamp all kinds of Makarevichs and Kasparovs will disperse for grandmas and already their local maidan and will probably be even worse than in the early 90s
  16. +4
    17 2014 June
    I still have a hope that the authorities will not betray our people in Donetsk and Lugansk, in Slavyansk and Lisichansk. There is hope that thousands of those killed in these weeks have died for good reason.
    OUR power can sell to anyone, the question is price. And it, the price offered.
  17. +2
    17 2014 June
    The US scenario, the US scenario ... No American analysts are able to calculate our steps, just the wrong mentality. The script will be Russian. At least I really want to believe in it.
  18. +3
    17 2014 June
    The theme sounds and sounds. I have already been reproached for inciting the Russians to the war with my comments ... (Damn it, I’m neither sleep nor spirit). I am against the war, this is when it did not start .... And now it is coming down at full speed. Okay, now we are not running at the German in the bayonet, we are not jumping on the Afghan hills, but why is it so painful and insulting for what is happening .... In Kiev, Donetsk, Moscow, Minsk. Why the person whom you saw alive a day ago has already gone 200 today. This is a war, only with its own accents, scenarios, goals. And this is, whatever one may say, our war, when my former classmate from Odessa tells me that he takes a machine gun and goes to put it on it. And for whom do you order me to worry ?! I made a choice in the "worries", some time will tell. I am against the war until it starts.
  19. seasnake
    +2
    17 2014 June
    As I understand it, local experts on "Putin's cunning plan" will be the first to run to defend the Motherland when the war knocks on their doors. Although no, war will not come to their home, because they do not see it, how can you see something when the head is in ... well, let it be in the sand. Of course, the goal of America is urkaina. Such a fat piece will undoubtedly get the states out of the ass. And so yes, that's right, "the miners don't get up", "they don't like us there", then continue on your own, you have enough theses. Here are just stories on theses, it is repeated until people learn the lesson. So further "do not give in to provocations", in a couple of years it will reach some. And shove your help .... yes, exactly where you thought. For many of those who believed in Russia all this time, she died.
    1. nachprod
      +1
      17 2014 June
      Well .. your Ukraine. For 4 months, it has been sucked-and what's the point? You got with your problems! With their Nazis, dibs in the government and Jewish oligarchs presidents! You cooked for 23 years in your juice, working in Moscow, well, now cook yourself. The South-East or not will hand over the GDP - Russia will not abandon the Russian people anyway - will accept everyone. But dill will die with the name of Bandera on the lips on the ruins of their country, without economy, without gas, moonlighting as prostitutes in a geyropa!
      1. -1
        18 2014 June
        I am with both hands - for! It is in this very place, this very Ukraine! What the hell are we for this? In no case should we get involved in this bedlam.
  20. +9
    17 2014 June
    I respect the author. El Murid is a wise and strong man. To go through the wire over the abyss - you need to be strong. To choose this path from others that seem simpler, one must be wise.
    This is my comment, and I write what I think is right for the country in which I was born, grew up and die, right for me.
    We cannot send troops to Ukraine. States are just waiting for this. We will not save the Russians in Ukraine. We will burn with them.
    We cannot leave everything as it is and pretend that this does not concern us. There are many reasons. For everyone, their own is important. I will give two of the most important ones for me. First, the Russian officer always said "I have the honor." Having the honor, I cannot tell my brothers - I do not care about you. Second: for a Russian peasant, family is everything. Family. I am responsible for my woman, for my daughter. I won't throw them into the fire while I'm alive.
    From here one thing - I consider the solution proposed by El Murid as the only acceptable for myself. Today.
    And you decide for yourself.
  21. +9
    17 2014 June
    good need to save the Southeast !!!! am
    1. portoc65
      -3
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Gamberra
      good need to save the Southeast !!!! am

      "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame" (Winston Churchill)
      1. +1
        17 2014 June
        Caution, this is a troll! A classic manipulative technique built on affirming beliefs (not my phrase).
        Look at his profile: in 8 days, count 18000 ratings, 365 comments almost simultaneously on different branches without sleep and rest.
        1. portoc65
          -1
          17 2014 June
          you, I’m just on vacation and I live in Europe .. and I’m from Ukraine myself, from Zaporozhye .. It hurts me what’s going on in my country ... you fool .. you’re the troll yourself ..
          1. 0
            17 2014 June
            Do not be offended, today you are lucky enough to run into SMERSH IN, look around the branches - the Chekists are not asleep! wink
            1. portoc65
              +1
              18 2014 June
              Let them live in a foreign land for 15 years, I will look at these people .. We are more patriots than anyone who lives on our land. We are divorced from our homeland .. Evil all the same Russian .. hang labels, favorite hobby, all bad just not them .. . I put all the pluses here and raise the ratings and I’m a Troll for them .. what
  22. +1
    17 2014 June
    Militiamen in Slavyansk published striking elements of an arrow-shaped form of unconventional weapons.
    these are stocks of the USSR, made from wire on nailing machines. Only instead of a nail head is plumage formed.
    In the 80s, the use (by Israel) of this type of filling for aerial bombs was condemned by the "world community".
    1. +4
      17 2014 June
      Quote: Des10
      arrow-shaped striking elements

      Quote: Des10
      In the 80s, the use (by Israel) of this type of bomb filling

      hi Does the art of shells look like "shrapnel"?
      1. 0
        19 2014 June
        Quote: Reks
        Does the art of shells look like "shrapnel"?

        with what I know, I said something about that. And so - yes, according to current definitions, all ready-to-use striking elements fall under shrapnel - including and swept.
  23. dFG
    +3
    17 2014 June
    Quote: Stock Officer
    The US scenario, the US scenario ... No American analysts are able to calculate our steps, just the wrong mentality. The script will be Russian. At least I really want to believe in it.

    to God’s ears your words ... but so far nothing is visible
  24. sazhka4
    +6
    17 2014 June
    Long and tedious. After all, and so everything is clear .. What can I say. Have sat down .. My hut from the edge ..
  25. storm wind
    +10
    17 2014 June
    Already everything on the shelves laid out how to help without introducing our troops. And to the authorities to a light bulb! rather to the pipe! Yes, you at least show that do not leave your mother New Russia! Just show! Hit the fascists once, there is everything for this! Show strength! So that people know that it’s not in vain that they die !!!!! And that they will not be abandoned .. But the campaign is not for the people.
    1. +1
      17 2014 June
      "Bang! We will definitely bang! And more than once! The whole world is in dust! But then" (quote from the movie "DMB")
  26. +9
    17 2014 June
    I already have thoughts that our officials do not want to defend Novorossia also because in the event of real hostilities all their assets in the West will disappear and their children in America and Europe will not be so comfortable living, that’s why they will probably resolve angry
    1. +3
      17 2014 June
      Do you know. If our bureaucrats have not yet taken care of transferring money to safe banks, then they are dumber and dumber than we think of them here. This had to be done at the very beginning, even when the response on our part to American expansion was developed.
      Keep money in the Savings Bank, if you have it of course!))
  27. +8
    17 2014 June
    I repeat - but there are no other options.
    In the distant 1936, honest people did not consider the war against fascism to be the exclusive problem of Spain! Now, some believe that neo-Nazism is the problem of Donbass, motivating them to protect their home. Alas, gentlemen, no matter how you get out, you are either lying to yourself or supporting your fifth column! The purpose of all this mess, arranged and funded by the State Department, is precisely Russia, and not the Donbass. From the events on the Maidan to the present day, we are talking exclusively about the fight against extreme nationalism, which professes fascism. Only accomplices and defenders of the West are trying to reduce everything to the fact that the Donbass is defending itself. Lies - go back a few months ago and see why the Donbass rebelled, and why volunteers were going to help him.
  28. sazhka4
    +5
    17 2014 June
    Long and tedious. After all, and so everything is clear .. What can I say. Have sat down .. My hut from the edge .. By the way, what about the gas?
    I thought that the outskirts were trying to sit on two chairs. Is Putin trying to repeat or just (for now) try? There are only two options, as always. Yes or no
  29. +6
    17 2014 June
    It is necessary to help, and immediately, And not necessarily with heavy weapons. ATGMs, grenade launchers, MANPADS, mortars, ammunition. When people in the east of Ukraine feel support, eurooxloam will have to be so tight.
    1. Stypor23
      -1
      17 2014 June
      Right. I think there is support, the president cannot act openly given the company where he worked
  30. +4
    17 2014 June
    We are already tired of the "vsepalschiki" who claim that if Russia defends Novorossia, the West will shit here and arrange a pod there. Nothing terrible will happen! They don't need gas and oil? Needed! We also need to sell our goods to them. Well, of course, the noise will rise nehily, so what? But nothing! They will shout and shut up. Well, Russia will be excluded from some regular OSCE or European parliament, or from somewhere else, but it was necessary to leave these stupid organizations ourselves long ago. In short, the West will not be able to create any serious problems for us ... If only because it has already shit where and what is possible.
    1. sazhka4
      0
      24 2014 June
      Quote: Rigla
      We need to steal their goods too.

      And what can we "vparivat"? Oil and Gas, Like the Russians do not have enough mind
  31. +7
    17 2014 June
    start helping novorosia on all fronts. except for the introduction of troops. you look and the miners will take up arms. about the well-known photo from the bus where the men are fleeing to Russia - cover them from the air, crush the artillery positions and these same ones from the bus will believe that they were not thrown and the cut-offs will be torn to pieces. their escape can also be understood: when there is nothing to answer, small arms do not roll against tanks and artillery, there is simply no desire to die.
    1. -3
      17 2014 June
      Ha! If they begin to help them, they will certainly not rise. What for? Their work is done by others for them. When in the year 41 there was an overwhelming superiority of Germany over the USSR, I don’t remember something that would make the Union a no-fly zone and suppress enemy artillery. They didn’t do anything. They survived. First let them show that they are worthy of help. Several thousand out of 7 million are fighting there. The rest decided to sit out. That's where the ostrich tactics in its purest form!
      And now we’ll stick around, and they will tell us what they’ve gotten up to? We did not call you, Others called. So what? We will limit ourselves to the evacuation of militias and their families and the pitted will return to their native land? And after will rush homeric roar of ukrokhokhlov! This is what is most likely waiting for us. Every nation must show that it is worthy of freedom. Freedom is won, not granted.
      But to offer everyone a shelter on decent conditions, Russia may well be even obliged. The economy will not break if state-owned companies finance the construction of comfortable refugee camps with decent living conditions, and provide normal work, too. Maybe illegal immigrants will squeeze then. It is always more pleasant to work with a person of your community than with a foreign one.
      Getting into a fight is easy, getting out is difficult without loss. Most people here vote for active actions. Now imagine that the active actions of Russia have begun. And tomorrow half, at least, there will be a summons present. Well? What will gentlemen strategists do? Mow or go die?
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  32. +7
    17 2014 June
    Yes, to be at war with a 45-million country, and even a Slavic one, is not the worst option. So the mattress covers were adjusted. But there is no urge to hide and evade. It’s time to let these banderlogs go wrong. They poured blood into the South-East of Ukraine already over the edge! And we all sit, "I think." Eh, Raseya ... Well, not to send troops, but to ditch all aviation, artillery and armored vehicles, it was necessary without a doubt! How many innocents have already died and the old people remained there helpless! And Europe and America are not a decree for us! It is not they who decide fate on our borders, but we !! In response to the genocide in the south-east it is necessary to reciprocate in Kiev! Let s ... ki on their body feel the consequences of their decisions !! Kill the Right Seeker!
  33. +5
    17 2014 June
    holding power in our country is not profitable for the victory of the SLAVIAN DNI and the LNR - their slogans are the slogans of the SOCIALIST REVOLUTION - they have People’s Republics and who have power in our country, didn’t you think maybe the people are workers and peasants ???
  34. bda
    bda
    +1
    17 2014 June
    Quote: Vadivak
    Psaki is ready to raise Deshchitsa to the rank of a hero, because according to her, he was not afraid to go to the crowd of patriots


    I wonder if this hryundel (Deschitsa) would go out to a crowd of racists (and where are they not ?!) and, in order to calm the crowd, would call Obama a monkey "under the cameras"?
    The crowd would listen. I was glad. And she calmed down, purring herself something like:
    "Obama is a monkey ..."
    What then would Psaka say about "context" and "setting"?
    1. +1
      17 2014 June
      What her protege IQ = 200 psaki
  35. +4
    17 2014 June
    When the war comes to our land, let us all, the commentators at the military organization agree and gather around the military commissariat ... Interestingly, many people will come?

    In short, there is no "Great" Russia ...
    1. portoc65
      -1
      18 2014 June
      The greatness of Russia is not in you or in me .. and in the exploits of our ancestors and those who are ready to live and die for the Motherland .. even if it will be only one person, even one, is able to make our Great Motherland .. I think so
      Quote: agent xnumx
      When the war comes to our land, let us all, the commentators at the military organization agree and gather around the military commissariat ... Interestingly, many people will come?

      In short, there is no "Great" Russia ...
  36. +1
    17 2014 June
    Quote: SeaSnake
    And so yes, that's right, "the miners don't get up", "they don't like us there", continue on yourselves, you have enough theses. Here are just stories on theses, it is repeated until people learn the lesson. So further "do not give in to provocations", in a couple of years it will reach some. And shove your help .... yes, exactly where you thought. For many of those who believed in Russia all this time, she died.

    There is such a thing: the institution of the State. This very institute - it exists not just like that, but has a lot of useful qualities. For example - performs the functions of ensuring security and compliance with the rule of law.
    In order for all these functions to work effectively, the State has special tools - for example, the army and the police, recruited from specially trained people with the appropriate legal and social status. And these people, in accordance with their training, rights and obligations, monitor the rule of law, protect and protect society. And therefore, if everything is at least relatively good in the State, then there is no need to take up arms for dentists, plumbers and gynecologists - not their profile. Moreover, if some dentist, plumber or gynecologist decides that something is not very good and we need to pick up a weapon and equate ourselves with the army or the police, then he will be called a criminal with all the consequences. It is more interesting when the State is fully dismantled and a New State is formed on its ruins. As a rule, in such a New State with specially trained people, a predictable deficit is observed, however, the need to protect society and preserve the rule of law does not disappear. In other words, such a New State still needs the army and the police, and in view of the crisis situation, they need what is called yesterday. And since the need to protect yourself and your place of residence from possible dangers is one of the primary human needs, the army and police must be quickly, decisively created. And while somewhere and somehow they will prepare specially trained people, the help of dentists, plumbers and gynecologists will be required. Well, that is, dentistry, plumbing and gynecology, of course, things are important, but the corpse is predictably unnecessary. That is, to make it clear: like any state, the DNI and LC, the army and police are needed. But they are not. And for want of a better one, it will have to be formed from dentists, plumbers and gynecologists. That is, the option is such that there are no options.
    Therefore, the choice is now simple and clear: either dentists, plumbers and gynecologists are re-trained as soldiers and policemen and Novorossia form the army and police, or dentists, plumbers and gynecologists surrender to the new Kiev authorities and their poodles with swastikas and may remain unemployed dentists, plumbers and gynecologists, not clients of the pathologist.
    You call on our country to aggression against a sovereign state, bypassing the UN mandate. Call for a crime.
    Russia does everything according to the law. The USA is doing everything as it wants. Russia is increasing its influence in the world, and the United States is reducing its influence (and generally roll to failure).
    And here you come, so smart, and offer Russia to start acting like the USA.
  37. +2
    17 2014 June
    or, as always, they harness too long ... but it would be faster
  38. 0
    17 2014 June
    M .. I have a creative question. There is a punitive action in the east, but Russia is silent. She was blackmailed with gas. Russia was silent, silent, but the gas pipeline and the gas pipeline were closed. Now with the embassy garbage.
    Need a cold head and a strong shutter speed. Rates are rising and most importantly in time to swing the bowl towards the enemy. Schaub all accumulated poured on him. You will twitch the cup and you can knock over yourself. The latter and waiting.
    Incidentally, the question between the case is that it is known that volunteers are coming. In my opinion, there are even accounts for the help of New Russia. Aw, sofas ...
    Change yelling at swords and go. Why wait until an uncle with a club comes, if you can do it yourself? Or, as usual, my hut with the edge, I better discuss a neighbor?
  39. +7
    17 2014 June
    Here in this thread in the comments http://nstarikov.ru/blog/41242
    I suppose it will be interesting for many to read for the general development how intriguing the undercover and other matters are. So conspiratorial interests and sabotage that you are amazed. We also need to understand all this in order to see who is who according to their real deeds and appeals. For example, Strelkov is already writing his second urgent appeal for military assistance, but this is ignored. Well, of course, Strelkov is wrong and who needs to know how to do it right. And certain forces of different levels, although they dare not criticize Strelkov, they call those who support his opinion "couch troops" and write many arguments that Russia cannot explicitly use force. Someone, for example Dugin, like Strelkov, believes that Russia must use force openly. And you and I, dear members of the forum, can build on the opinions of these two main, as well as other information forming an opinion. I see a lot that is correct in both points of view. In me they can fight and I cannot say 100% that this or that is optimal. The point is different. Given the above about sabotage and intrigue, we all now need to carefully monitor the rhetoric of every public and political figure, what steps he calls for, what they can lead to and what they will actually lead to. Even so - maybe with a bad experience - we will be able to understand who and in whose real interests is acting. After all, the questions are now of paramount importance for Russia. And many leaders simply obsessively bend their one-sided position, which personally confuses me. Indeed, having gained the upper hand, certain forces will continue to lead Russia along their desired path and lead somewhere. Now a lot depends on the analytical thinking of each of us, and not just a thoughtless repetition of someone else's and wise rhetoric that you like. I am deliberately not expressing my opinion now, but only indicated above that I have an ambiguous opinion. So we need to carefully look at those who have a very unambiguous opinion about the solutions in Ukraine and in Russia ...
  40. +5
    17 2014 June
    a lot of words a lot of text. and when I wrote that Putin won’t do anything. they poked mine. and now everyone understands leaked. and look at his rating in a week.
    1. 0
      18 2014 June
      There is this opinion: http://www.imperiya.by/ir.html?id=21121
      Pay attention to the name. There may be two main options.
      1. Straightforward and encouraging. Those. Strelkov intentionally provoked into the media background that Russia was not helping Novorossia.
      Those. the more Russia helps, the more cries are required of us that Putin leaked the Donbass. wink
      2. That Starikov intentionally sabotages someone’s pressure on Putin by the patriotic wing to help Donbass, Strelkov (which I do not say, which I would not want to believe and what I do not believe), which is really required.

      On the one hand, Dugin and Starikov - both position themselves as patriots, but have different opinions on the current situation. But, Dugin is now someone is actively trying to merge and began to collect signatures for this. So Vladimir Solovyov strictly adheres to the position of N. Starikov.
      This is my personal vision. But by the way it really works out, we can understand who is who ... Let's hope for the best.
    2. +1
      18 2014 June
      Yes, they don’t say something, what is the current rating of GDP. I think I fell. But much?
  41. vladimirovich39
    +3
    17 2014 June
    Offensive plan.
    1. Hack Internet correspondence of Yarosh, Tynebok and Psaki.
    2. From "received reliable sources" we learn about the plans of the campaign of the Pravoseks to the Crimea and Rostov.
    3. The cut with the symbols of the Pravosek and foreign mercenaries are driving a couple of tanks on the border of the Russian Federation, arrange a "loud mess" and dissolve into the night ...
    4. In the morning, "terrible invasion footage" on all channels ... - everything can be arranged in an unmanned zone over the southeast and point-by-point bombing equipment and dill warehouses.
    PS let the specialists think out ...
  42. bda
    bda
    +2
    17 2014 June
    Ah, beauties:
    Bandera fascists are marked with red arrows!
  43. skifo
    +3
    17 2014 June
    The situation is very serious, but Putin has not made any mistakes so far, at least not so long ago - it’s not for nothing that Westerners are spraying saliva! I personally hope for our leader! I think the denouement is coming soon ...
    1. +1
      17 2014 June
      he who doesn’t do anything is not mistaken
    2. 0
      18 2014 June
      I'd like to hope! But what kind of denouement will it be? I am sincerely sure that we will win both tactically and strategically, but I have no idea how this will happen. All options, from the no-fly zone, to the targeted attacks against specific Nazis, have their drawbacks. But, and this is the main thing, the Truth is behind us!
  44. 0
    17 2014 June
    author atstoy! Galima propaganda! our elite is not sugar, but they are not the same. Not all of them anyway. And the tactics "if only there was no war" - delaying the start of active hostilities, so that you better arm yourself! If the US does not defer, which is unlikely, then the war will, perhaps, and perhaps not ... wait and see. Nefig, in short, catch up. we ourselves are not particularly enthusiastic.
  45. bda
    bda
    +1
    17 2014 June
    Quote: kirieeleyson
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Вооружённые_силы_Украины&oldid=6367030

    3

    Comrades, look.


    Offset! Well done boys!
  46. portoc65
    -1
    17 2014 June
    "If a country, choosing between war and shame, chooses shame, it gets both war and shame" (Winston Churchill)
    1. +2
      18 2014 June
      And not only the country. With people, what are they doing that does not give change? It’s always cheaper to fight right away, so that you later roll off. And so they will come and kick when they like.
  47. VSC
    +4
    17 2014 June
    all the time we are persistently assured: Ukraine will collapse by itself in a couple of months, the economy will collapse even earlier (the hryvnia, in general, the other day), its Armed Forces are a bunch of idiots and slovens, and its weapons are scrap metal and various rubbish. Such conversations began immediately after the February coup, about the army in April. 4 months have passed, nothing, collapse and collapse are postponed by "experts" for another two. With the army and weapons and even more interesting. Staff teachers passed the same science with ours, weapons and equipment are the same, Soviet, and far from old. And they draw us Papuans with a spear. It's not for nothing.
    1. +2
      17 2014 June
      Yeah. With the army, miracles are simple. tanks, cannons, "grads" cannot cope with a bunch of former couch potatoes. Doesn't that sound suspicious? What's this? just not the army's desire to obey Kiev at 100%, non-professionalism, or even a semi-trained army is at war with professionals? Doesn't this fact, that 2 months cannot overcome, seem suspicious?
      1. VSC
        0
        18 2014 June
        Underestimating the enemy will result in defeat or excessive losses. And consciously diminishing the strength of the enemy and supporting hat-tapping sentiments is harmful activity.
  48. bda
    bda
    +1
    17 2014 June
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    A very competent provocation from el-murid ...


    Are you very sure about this? Maybe first you read ... comprehend ... and then give an assessment ....
    The situation is much more complicated ... than you think ...


    You are now writing: "Maybe you will read it first ..."
    Here - on the same resource there is an article tucked up with cheers
    ("Acute sovereign insufficiency" - http://topwar.ru/52133-ostraya-derzhavnaya-nedostatochnost.html), so there are a lot of "negative" comments and begin: "I didn't even read ..."
  49. +2
    17 2014 June
    From the Bryansk region to Kiev 300 km.
    That these 300 km are for modern Russian armifu, utter nonsense!
    As long as all forces are pulled together in the east, Kiev can be liberated with one throw.
    The junta army will then resolve.
    And he has a legitimate president, he has a mandate until the winter, so there will still be an opportunity to hold free elections, of course, after the junta's main war criminals are hanged on the square.
    And at the expense of scarecrows, they say the United States will catch up - but no one will catch up. Because of some kind of Ukraine, is the whole world in ruin? Let these tales Elmurid tells his wife for the night.
    1. +6
      17 2014 June
      From the Bryansk region to Kiev 300 km.
      That these 300 km are for modern Russian armifu, utter nonsense!


      Something it reminds me of ... It seems something similar was said by Pasha Grachev about Grozny. One regiment of the Airborne Forces to take the city. Did not work out. So it can work out here.
      1. 0
        17 2014 June
        Then we played along with the USA, according to their scenario we worked.
        It was necessary to fit into the western system on the fourth priority, and therefore the United States played up because they say the Russian Federation is a Khan anyway - one should not worry about entering the West.
        Today the situation is different.
        So, we will succeed (it was not in vain that the Mistrals ordered - the States started earlier than the readiness of the Euro ABM, just to impose sanctions, they pecked at the bait).
  50. NUR
    +3
    17 2014 June
    It is necessary to include a fool and an alga.
    1. -1
      17 2014 June
      Quote: NUR
      It is necessary to include a fool and an alga.

      Or: Ақымақты қосу керек and forth.
  51. +3
    17 2014 June
    Yes, I also think that the current help is very small! The West does not hesitate to supply information to the military and plan their operations in Novorossiya; ours also need to do this. Super modern weapons are not needed there yet - you need to empty your old arsenals for the benefit of business, and not steal them and cover it up with fires. Unfortunately, power in Russia today is in the hands of traitorous oligarchs, and the GDP is forced to reckon with this. We must give the United States its due - they quite correctly chose the moment to ignite the fire of war on the territory of a pseudo-state. Russia is not yet as strong as we would like, and the current showdown only slows down the process of Russia’s revival and weakens it. They press the s.tsuki from all sides like a yard dog attacks a purebred shepherd!!! Each of them is angry, but together they are brave to the point of despair! only our unity will help us survive in this situation, if only the Belarusians didn’t suck up to the Herope, it would be easier to take the blow!!!
  52. +2
    17 2014 June
    Just waiting! The junta has not yet made a move (by analogy with chess), it walks and paces, back and forth, the West is silent - also waiting for a move, they know that Putin cannot move yet (chess), the locations of the junta's cords are fixed, maps of the junta's attacks , air raids, etc. ...
    The junta descends carelessly (overdoes it) - a massive blow: Iskanders, Tu22m, maybe “volcanoes” from “Moscow”, but God knows what the Russian General Staff has in reserve and... there is no input!
    I hope that the KGB regiment planned everything...
    Gentlemen, I ask you not to think about my neglect, in a modest analysis-forecast, for the already dead people of the East of Ukraine, for us Russians every killed Russian is “unacceptable damage”, but this concept is very broad, in quantitative terms, if you have to justify the “response”!! !
    1. +1
      18 2014 June
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      I hope that the KGB regiment planned everything...

      Cunning Plan?
    2. portoc65
      0
      18 2014 June
      The junta seems to be testing the reaction...whether it will pass or not and become more and more impudent from impunity...Soon it will take off its mask and show its grin without fear of backlash and world opinion...this reminds me of how dogs are baited...A dog feeling a powerful cover behind its back bravely rushes to attack, but when he finds himself face to face with the enemy, he cowardly tucks his tail between his legs..
  53. +3
    17 2014 June
    whoever answers the question why the troops were withdrawn means he knows everything, but for now it’s 1939. WE ARE WAITING!!!!!!From the sea of ​​weather.!!
    1. portoc65
      0
      18 2014 June
      everyone who left is already arriving back...
  54. pg4
    +1
    17 2014 June
    South Ossetia will help
  55. +1
    17 2014 June
    Well, as always, a lot of opinions. To broaden your horizons and increase the amount of necessary information, I suggest taking a walk on http://putnik1.livejournal.com/, well, this is for those who do not know about the traveler. People on their forums say they have the latest and most reliable information. I was particularly interested in the information (see video) on blowing up a gas pipeline. In the same video there is information on the downed transport ship. It seems that 49 Ukrainians and many Polish and Lithuanian mercenaries were flying on it. It seems like only 200-odd people. That’s why there was such hysteria in Ukraine about this.
  56. +1
    17 2014 June
    I change points of view every day, it’s difficult to make such decisions, I guess...to enter or not to enter...but for this there must be professional consultants with a cool head. Which we are not due to limited information... now I think I need to give a tough answer... maybe in an hour I’ll think differently...
  57. Stanislav777
    +4
    17 2014 June
    Quote: kreck
    Russia does everything according to the law. The USA is doing everything as it wants. Russia is increasing its influence in the world, and the United States is reducing its influence (and generally roll to failure).
    And here you come, so smart, and offer Russia to start acting like the USA.

    I think if we merge Donbass, we will not have any influence, everyone will stupidly wipe their feet on us, but we will not merge, I already wrote in the next thread that trains with armored vehicles are moving, at least towards Donbass.
  58. Leprechaun
    +2
    17 2014 June
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Panic goes on ... Today, Radio Liberty was periodically quoting Strelkov's words "If Russia does not help, we will not hold out for more than a month" All day. And I listen to them often and why all of a sudden they squealed so sharply ..?
    Russia does not send troops, so they are fussing.
  59. nachprod
    -8
    17 2014 June
    Well .. your Ukraine. For 4 months, it has been sucked-and what's the point? You got with your problems! With their Nazis, dibs in the government and Jewish oligarchs presidents! You cooked for 23 years in your juice, working in Moscow, well, now cook yourself. The South-East or not will hand over the GDP - Russia will not abandon the Russian people anyway - will accept everyone. But dill will die with the name of Bandera on the lips on the ruins of their country, without economy, without gas, moonlighting as prostitutes in a geyropa!
    1. portoc65
      0
      18 2014 June
      Ukraine and Russia are one country and one people...and the mess was stirred up by those who at 39, at the instigation of Comrade Stalin, joined the Union-Galicia.Kiev-Mother of Russian Cities..Zaporozhye..Kharkov.Nikolaev..Dnepropetrovsk.Lugansk- cities formed by Russian emperors.. We are part of the Russian world.
    2. +1
      18 2014 June
      this comment has already been made am
  60. +3
    17 2014 June
    [quote=Igarr]Guys...
    [quote] you want to be smart....
    there is an elementary solution to ALL problems in Ukraine -
    just shooting ..crazed half-morons.. by unidentified persons..[/quote]
    - But you shouldn’t do this!
    Why make martyrs and heroes out of criminals? Is Bandera really not enough?
    These individuals are needed alive and unharmed for trial.
    And after all their dirty deeds are revealed and condemned, then they will be publicly hanged in the square to the delight of the citizens.
    So, until the trial, these individuals should be protected like the apple of your eye.
  61. +5
    17 2014 June
    All the same, Russia is and will continue to be accused of helping the militias with weapons. We need to send weapons and financial assistance to the militias. Russia will not be any worse. The Americans are sending weapons to the Syrian opposition, so what? Did someone do something to them? Until the turmoil in Iraq, the “democrats” will not raise a big howl. They’ll squeal a little, then they’ll ban a couple more officials from traveling overseas (like sanctions), and they’ll calm down. They themselves no longer like these gas affairs.
  62. Leprechaun
    +2
    17 2014 June
    Quote: Rus2012
    apparently something terrible is expected in early August ...
    Default 3,14ndosia for example.


    At the end of July, the US will make decisions on external debt issues in the fall of 2013 and February 2014.
  63. +1
    17 2014 June
    Perhaps everyone already knows this resource, but just in case I’m posting the link.
    http://smotripravdu.ru/ukraine/235-gromov-i-plennye-1706.html
    It seems like I actually saw the journalist among the militia, so I don’t think it’s a lie. The video is quite interesting.
  64. +1
    17 2014 June
    The situation is very difficult, but there is always a way out. Another question is what “face” will Russia come out of this situation with?

    1. It is obvious that our government is not able to calculate the enemy’s moves and respond proactively (the situation in Ukraine is proof of this)

    2. The enemy left us 2 options (send in troops or remain silent in a rag)

    3.Neither option is acceptable.

    4. The third option, to provide comprehensive assistance to the South East, is tantamount to sending troops (the quantity and quality of equipment and human resources to achieve an advantage in the war must be significant)

    5. Other options of action are needed, not just one, but several.

    As an option, the destruction of key figures of the ruling pro-American elite in Kyiv. By any means. Probably such options are being explored.
    It is sad that the actions and decisions of our government resemble the actions and decisions of the Ministry of Emergency Situations as a result of a natural disaster. But it shouldn't be like that.
    And we, armchair warriors, can only wait and hope for the intelligence and prudence of our political elite.
    Otherwise, all statements made in the recent past are cheap show-offs.
  65. 0
    17 2014 June
    USA scenario, USA scenario...We are now playing according to their scenario, if we send in troops and what will happen? Third World War? Well, unlikely. War with Ukraine? Well, short. The question is what to do next. It seems that informationally, they are imposing on us a cowardly scenario - like they are dragging us into a war, but in reality they are leading us to lose in an already ongoing war. So what we will lose in the event of a military option, it seems nothing.
  66. Fuse
    +1
    17 2014 June
    Captured Ukrainian National Guard fighters call their mothers and ask them to take them home
    1. 0
      18 2014 June
      hang and shoot these banderlogs and their parents along with them.
      1. portoc65
        0
        18 2014 June
        while they are doing this in relation to Russian-speaking Ukrainians.. I looked at their forums.. like a holiday during the plague.. everyone is having fun.. everyone is happy.. they pressed Donbass angry
  67. Leprechaun
    +1
    17 2014 June
    Quote: Stypor23
    There are even more videos with our embassy on Ukrainian YouTube. It feels like the order to the diplomats was not to succumb to provocations, but to die quietly peacefully if something happened.

    If you watched the video, you should have noticed that those who smashed the embassy did not enter the territory and even tore down the flag using a spinning rod. Each embassy has something to respond to when the embassy perimeter is stormed or violated. By the way, the Jews highly appreciated the actions of our embassy staff.
    1. Stypor23
      0
      18 2014 June
      The Jews won’t even appreciate it, but will do it their own way. By the way, Belgrade 1999, on whose embassy (by mistake?) did an American bomb fall? If now this thing falls on the embassy of the same state in some other beautiful country, what then Will the injured party also send notes of protest?
  68. Evgeniy1
    +5
    18 2014 June
    Situation for “Caesar”, RUBICON ahead

    List of proposed priority tasks (personal opinion):
    1. Recognize the results of the REFERENDUM,
    2. Declare the militias ANTI-FASCISTS and their actions as a fight against FASCISM, the organization “right sector” as a fascist and outlawed,
    3. Return troops to the border,
    4. Declare the anti-fascist combat zone “DEMILLITARIZED”, close the skies over Novorossiya, under the threat of destruction, for military aviation flights and the use of heavy military equipment,
    5. Ensure free elections of the NEW AUTHORITY of Novorossiya in the territory,
    5. Publish a list of war crimes and crimes against humanity, as well as publish a list of war criminals.
    6. ...
    7.
  69. Leprechaun
    +6
    18 2014 June
    Quote: Twice RUSSIAN
    1. It is obvious that our government is not able to calculate the enemy’s moves and respond proactively (the situation in Ukraine is proof of this)

    I would like to recall the situation in January when the exchange rate of the Euro and the dollar suddenly increased and our stock market fell, as a result of which a large number of shares of strategic Russian companies were purchased from foreign shareholders, and only a couple of days later it emerged that the shares were bought by the state at bargain prices. And this was a financial operation of our state. Let me remind you of February, when 11 days before the events of February 21-23 there was a command to withdraw all possible assets from Ukraine. The withdrawal of Russian assets from overseas at the beginning of the year. Finally, the entry of the Security Forces into Crimea a few hours after Obama announced that the Russian Federation was not sending troops to Crimea. This is just what we know, and I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. Your quote doesn't seem entirely correct.
  70. +2
    18 2014 June
    Funny. we've arrived.
    “Democracy” is not suitable for Russia
    The arrogant Saxons instilled in the people the spirit of the “Consumer”
    Now everyone has a problem to buy a car, a better apartment
    Deprive them of this, they will curse the authorities
    Just like the silent men of Novorossiya
    I had a better opinion about our Government, but it turns out they are stupid, almost like mattress pads
  71. +2
    18 2014 June
    <<<The only available way is to assist the uprising. Immediate, massive assistance in all directions....>>>
    Absolutely right! It seems that our nomenclature has decided that the Crimean euphoria is enough! Sanctions again! Maybe in the South-East it will somehow resolve itself after our Foreign Ministry (once again) decisively expressed “serious concern” and suggested “let’s live together”! WILL NOT DISSOLVE! Of course, there is no need to panic, but calmly analyzing what is happening, you simply CANNOT help but notice that things are moving towards a very bad ending for us! And the continuation of such a policy is either the height of naivety, or an outright betrayal of Russian interests with serious (now even difficult to predict) consequences, after which we will no longer have time to prepare for the World Cup in 2018!
  72. 0
    18 2014 June
    Russia presented an updated draft UN Security Council resolution on Ukraine. The document confirms the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country.
    17 June 2014, 22: 11
    The updated draft UN Security Council resolution on Ukraine presented by Russia confirms the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country, and also assigns primary responsibility to Kyiv for ensuring the security and rights of Ukrainian citizens, ITAR-TASS reports.

    The text of the document notes the need to take urgent measures “aimed at stabilizing the situation in Ukraine through peaceful means” and emphasizes “the primary responsibility of the Ukrainian authorities for ensuring the protection and safety of the residents of Ukraine, as well as their rights and freedoms.”

    According to the Russian permanent representative to the world organization, Vitaly Churkin, the Russian delegation made every effort to “make the text balanced, and it received wider support among members of the Security Council.”



    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/36973#ixzz34vhyAhrH WHAT IS THIS?????? am
    1. 0
      18 2014 June
      Apparently Putin needs ALL of Ukraine?
      1. portoc65
        0
        18 2014 June
        V. PUTIN needs peace just like the rest of us
  73. Solovyov
    -4
    18 2014 June
    EG: The ideas of Ukrainians that Russians think = 100% is inadequate. In the Russian Federation, they understand that there is a war going on against the Russian people, including the Ukrainian, who think that they don’t consider him for Russians (although the whole world thinks differently).
    In the Russian Federation, they still do not understand who is leading this war, as they are accustomed to the fact that states are competing in the world and they are also fighting. But in the modern era of war, global corporations are waging forces of their PMCs and other security agencies. On the state of the Russian Federation, Russians have long been beaten and believe that it works for the diaspora and their foreign masters.
    The Russians do not discuss the Maidan at all, the elections, the deployment of troops that do not exist in the Russian Federation, holidays in the Crimea and other schizo, which are driven by ukrosmi and your favorite Kiselev. The Russians understand that they will be taken for them even before all Ukrainians otted a gene report and rush about, trying to somehow prepare for the arrival of Muslim militants. About Ukraine, no one thinks. At first they thought how to help-save: many of them have relatives there. Now it has come to all that it’s not up to the point that Ukrainians cannot be saved, we must try to save our life.
    For example, in St. Petersburg I will talk about the Syrian experience, which showed that the main goal set for militants in a modern war is to terrorize the local population, provoke the flight of large masses, and ethnic cleansing. Because of this, militants come to a populated area and begin to stupidly slaughter the population of one house after another. And it is unrealistic for the armed forces of the state to knock them out of this point because to do this they have to practically destroy the city with heavy weapons - Assad had to destroy almost half of the cities of Syria in this way, which is what his opponents sought.
    The only option in which the militants can not be allowed into the city is the presence of the militia, which closely interacts with mobile professional military units, such as PMCs or GRU special forces, other units of the regular army. Then, at the time of the militant attack, the militia manages to quickly mobilize and engage in battle, tying the enemy up to the approach of professionals who destroy it or at least make them roll out and search for a settlement where there is no militia and can cut off unarmed people, rape children and women, cut off to their breasts, to overwhelm the peasant with a concrete slab and to gurgle, looking as the family tries to lift the slab under which he is dying. However, I will not tell you the details - Ukraine will soon see them, the militants from Syria have already arrived and are slowly beginning to have fun.
    Corr .: One more question. You mentioned volunteers who travel from the Russian Federation to the structures of Strelkov, Bolotov and Brain. What is the point for them to go if the annexation of these regions of the Russian Federation is not planned? What are they fighting for, if they were allegedly not sent by Putin or the GRU?
    EG: They have an obvious reason - the acquisition of combat experience. Until now, there have been very few such opportunities: in Syria it does not hurt the train, and in the Russian army you can gain experience only in digging potatoes, cleaning a pigsty and building cottages, as in the Ukrainian one. In Slavyansk, the same professionals conduct a competent network-centric operation, and in practice you can learn how to wage a modern war and gain combat experience that will be invaluable when it becomes necessary to organize resistance to terrorists when a terrorist war comes to your land.
    In the modern war there is no front and there is no localization of the theater. Flash can anywhere. So ready to be necessary.
    As LD Trotsky used to say, “You are not interested in world war — but she is interested in you.”

    zinc http://nvdaily.ru/info/27459.html
    1. +2
      18 2014 June
      Quote: Solovyov
      Russians generally do not discuss the Maidan, elections, the deployment of troops that do not exist in the Russian Federation, vacations in Crimea and other nonsense that is being driven out by you and your beloved Kiselev.

      Look in your pocket, not your neighbor's!
  74. +2
    18 2014 June
    Russia needs to forcefully force Ukraine to peace. For now, only aviation is enough. The world community must be told that Russia does not have the goal of seizing foreign territory. The purpose of the operation is to protect civilians from genocide.
  75. 0
    18 2014 June
    I appeal to everyone who commented on this article! They held a referendum, proclaimed the DPR, LPR, and then what?! A handful of militias are actually resisting the punitive forces! And where are all those, or rather the majority, who supported the people? The referendum was held, and then what? If you decide, then hold on and defend your decisions! It’s not clear at all why you wanted Russia to intervene? Where are the miners who threatened to break the junta? Where are you all? They showed on TV the evacuation of civilians, and there, in addition to women and children, there were big men sitting on the buses. Is this like, forgive the comparison, the sinking of the Titanic? You yourself, with the exception of the militia, are fleeing, and who will be responsible for your votes with punitive forces? We will accept you, but why the hell did you vote for your freedom, but you can’t defend it, or rather you don’t want to! IMHO!
  76. 0
    18 2014 June
    Grown people, but they behave like hysterics! “Everything is gone, everything is gone! The plaster is being removed tomorrow!”
    Maybe leave all these questions and answers to Putin’s analysts! They have more information and opportunities to know the truth about events in the world. And so, everything is from news via inbox and phone numbers from YouTube!
    Shout, don’t shout, but the decision is made by the Commander-in-Chief! And this is good!
    Otherwise, when “two hundred loads” of twenty-year-old Russian boys arrive, Putin will again be to blame! Didn't save it!
    I noticed they are yelling about everything here! There is no need to join, it’s worse for us, then go ahead! Alga! Losing my head! Come to some middle ground!
    1. portoc65
      0
      18 2014 June
      It’s just that my soul really hurts.. when 2 months ago I watched a video of how a crowd of Nazis, arriving by train from western Ukraine, walked along the LONGEST avenue in Europe - Lenin Square, stretching for a kilometer, screaming - Ukraine over the use.. glory to the heroes.. In Zaporozhye.. in Russian-speaking city..with chains..to the Lenin monument - threatening to demolish it - I was really pounding.. The Ukronatsiks will not stop if they don’t beat down the Russians in Ukraine.. I came across them..
    2. 0
      18 2014 June
      Indifferent, what a login! Sorry, I don't know how to contact you. They are screaming here, yes, but if you find the golden mean of all the posts (including mine) of “couch” strategists, then the following emerges: IMHO!
      1. The Russian military will not be introduced.
      2. Ukraine no longer exists.
      3. They will put pressure on us, but we don’t care.
      4. Civilians will die or flee.
      5. Khan’s militia without the help of the majority of those who voted for the DPR or LPR.
      6. We are against genocide against the Ukrainian people.
      7. We were left alone and no one cares about Russia.
      8. Russia is to blame for everything (I don’t agree with this!)
      9. Then you can add it yourself...
  77. portoc65
    0
    18 2014 June
    What to fight with? There are not enough small arms, not to mention ammunition.. we need to feed the army.. we need weapons against tanks and planes.. I’m not saying that the tanks themselves are so needed.. we need commanders.. an organization of people.. THE FORCES REALLY ARE NOT EQUAL.. and even the dill fight inadequately...against everyone who is at gunpoint
  78. Elbarud
    +1
    18 2014 June
    By the way or not, I want
    to warn that mobile phones are excellent means of targeting for the “amers”, if you need this already “marked target” for further targeting, remember the inglorious death of Dudayev. And the “Americans” generally destroyed unnecessary ones with such perfect targeting, according to rumors, in Afghanistan. Therefore, our guys need HF and CB radios.
  79. +1
    18 2014 June
    I think that the respected author is exaggerating his story somewhat. Russia is undoubtedly providing assistance to Donetsk and Lugansk. However, this is not the year thirty-six and Ukraine is not Spain. The political situation in the world is completely different. The United States and the junta will be very happy if they can prove that Russia is actively supporting the rebels in eastern Ukraine, this will give them a free hand to further worsen the already bad situation. Let's face it - the world is hovering on the brink of World War III. In my opinion, this is exactly what the US ruling circles want to unleash in order to solve their financial and economic problems and strengthen their rather shaky influence in the world.
    1. +1
      18 2014 June
      Yes, what a 3rd world war with such an arsenal of nuclear weapons. complete nonsense.
      1. 0
        18 2014 June
        Did the arsenals of chemical and bacteriological weapons that existed then stop the Second World War? I agree that the comparison may not be entirely accurate. But no one dared to use either chemicals or bacteria. Even the Germans at the moment of final collapse. Use it at the front, I mean. In the concentration camps, these non-humans, both Europeans and Asians (Japanese), used it to the fullest.
  80. Solovyov
    -1
    18 2014 June
    Quote: non-primary
    Look in your pocket, not your neighbor's!

    I don't look into anyone's pocket. I gave another opinion about what is happening. You can read what the article says and draw some conclusions for yourself.
  81. goryacheff2013
    +2
    18 2014 June
    Both hands are in favor! If it's not too late. June 22 is coming soon, by the way, it’s also Sunday. And also in June 41 there was an order “not to succumb to provocations.” Everyone knows what happens next. It's a shame: they made Crimea classically beautiful, but here we've been chewing snot for 2 months. We hope that soon they will start shitting on our heads. And people die every day. The best. Why not fight a little? As grandfather Genghis Khan said to the Emir of Bukhara: “You wanted war, you will get it.” In a normal situation, the hunters will not even have time to reach Warsaw. And whoever wins is right. And go...to the West with their sanctions. What, the States can do it, but we can’t? He who pees dies, as they say. Otherwise, we’ll wait for Putin to end up in the same place as Yanukovych. Indeed, the question is about the survival of not only Ukraine, but also Russia. And time is against us. MURMANCHANIN.
  82. 0
    18 2014 June
    Quote: NUR
    It is necessary to include a fool and an alga.


    I agree.
    If they want war, let them have it. This is all nonsense - they are afraid of war, America, and even more so the junta. So they started a rumor about “America wants to bully us.” Like in that fairy tale where the hare begged “just don’t throw me into the bushes”! But many fell for it and think “if they want to push them into a war, then there’s no need to push them.” Guys, you’ve never played poker, what can I take from you, you idiots.
    Forgive me if I offended any of the neo-Tolstoyians.

    As for Crimea, it’s another nonsense! Shchaz, Ukraine took it and sent tanks/planes to Crimea! America pulled its fleet into the Black Sea! Yeah, this fleet will definitely overcome the Bosphorus. How will you break through the thin strait into the open sea? Where are the missile cruisers lined up in a semicircle waiting for you at the exit?
    There will be no attack on Crimea.
    If Novorosiya is drained, there will be great national disgrace. First, countries like Egypt will start to turn away from us, then our closest allies will start thinking. Who wants to hang out with outright cowards who were taken on a naked show-off about “America wants to bully us”?
    Then - the disappointment of the Turkic, Caucasian and other peoples in the Russian people. With all the consequences.
  83. Solovyov
    0
    18 2014 June
    Quote: Magadan
    As for Crimea, it’s another nonsense! Shchaz, Ukraine took it and sent tanks/planes to Crimea! America pulled its fleet into the Black Sea! Yeah, this fleet will definitely overcome the Bosphorus. How will you break through the thin strait into the open sea? Where are the missile cruisers lined up in a semicircle waiting for you at the exit?
    There will be no attack on Crimea.

    Modern wars are no longer waged against the Anglo-Saxons in the form we are familiar with.
    Look at this material http://topwar.ru/52166-podpolkovnik-zapasa-vasiliy-pavlov-po-opytu-voyny-v-sirii
    -ob-ugroze-terroristicheskoy-voyny-v-rossii.html
    In total, the enemy has neither a front nor clearly defined goals. Front=entire territory. The goal is the process itself and terror, etc. Read more in the material.
  84. net abortion
    +4
    18 2014 June
    Poroshenko gave the order
    about the destruction of all hospitals, clinics,
    and also fire at temples!



    17.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Message from reserve colonel,
    military expert Alexander Zhilin:


    - As I learned,
    the junta adjusted its punitive actions.
    Poroshenko gave a secret order to destroy all hospitals, clinics and other institutions,
    who can provide medical care to people.
    And also conduct targeted fire at temples.
    I will quote him: “... so that they understand that God has abandoned them.
    By doing so, we will cause panic and bring them to their knees.”

    This is clearly an American order,
    cooked up in a Western social kitchen
    psychology and Protestant thinking.
    Indeed, for the Protestant,
    consumer consciousness destruction of buildings,
    loss of property can be a fatal blow,
    undermining any will to resist and even
    will make you believe that God has thereby turned away from them.
    After all, in Western heresies the favor of God
    measured by material wealth.



    But in the Church of Christ there are laws of spiritual growth,
    and not materialistic degradation.
    The destruction of the temple is, first of all, a terrible sin,
    for the destroyers,
    which places an unbearable burden not only on the criminal,
    but also for his entire family.
    And for Orthodox Christians, the bombing of churches is indisputable proof that the fight against Bandera-fascist infidels is not only a matter pleasing to God,
    but it is also the duty of every Orthodox Christian.


    The temple is not in logs, but in ribs.
    In Rus', murderers have been called murderers since ancient times,
    because they are ruining THEIR soul.

    That is why they cannot understand us, and, therefore, defeat us.
    1. portoc65
      0
      18 2014 June
      It all started when Berkut dispersed the Maidan with batons.. How everyone screamed that it was brutally beating young people.. Berkut was called fascists here.. Time passed - they were burned alive in Odessa.. PASSED.. the world did not shudder.. The first armored vehicles entered Mariupol - nothing happened. as it should.. They began to use heavy artillery and hail.. Use white phosphorus... Make plans for filtration camps.. border demarcation.. Every day - an inexorable fall into the abyss.
  85. +1
    18 2014 June
    The USA and their jackals in Kyiv are waiting for Russia to enter the war, only they are mistaken, there will be no war as such, whoever does not surrender will be destroyed immediately
    1. portoc65
      -1
      18 2014 June
      everyone is angry right now..if the enforcement of peace in Georgia lasted 5 days..I think the Russian Army will roll out of the comforts of the Ukrainian people in half a day..
  86. +2
    18 2014 June
    video of a captured tank
    1. +1
      18 2014 June
      The commander of this tank laughing
  87. +2
    18 2014 June
    Alternatively, there is now a ruthless war on the people and the extermination of those who disagree, further, according to the reaction of the Ukrainian nationalists, zombied by European cookies and US support, the absence of any actions on the part of Russia, the zombied right sectors, after they erase the DPR and LPR and the entire population, will really trample on the Crimea It’s not for nothing that the Americans violate the passage of warships through the Turkish Passage into the Black Sea, the Montrieu Treaty, and are stationed in Romania, etc.
    As an option, Russia’s involvement in the War is INEVITABLE, so maybe before you throw your fingers in a fan, you should think about the fact that now it is necessary to recognize the DPR and LPR and provide them with humanitarian assistance and more!?
    My opinion is purely personal, although there are many specialist politicians present here, but I only expressed my opinion, and God forbid that in reality we would not have to fight with the amers for Ukraine, and especially for Crimea.
    1. portoc65
      -1
      18 2014 June
      I’m in favor of distributing Russian passports to everyone and bringing in the Army under the pretext of protecting the Russians.. It’s JUST difficult for the militias now.. to restrain such a colossus that is many times larger
  88. +2
    18 2014 June
    All strategists!!! What are the Commander-in-Chief, the Minister of Defense, the General Staff, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the GRU and the FSB doing? They are probably reading a textbook on tactics and strategy...... Yes, everything is fine!!! Everything goes according to plan!!! There is a gap of a hundred kilometers in the border and it would be foolish to think that the necessary humanitarian aid has not arrived in the adjacent territory. The troops are slowly moving where they need to be, helicopters are patrolling as needed. No, Russia needs to reveal all its cards and lay them out on a silver platter - they say, “enemies and sympathizers, look, we have no secrets from you!!!” So what??? It’s not like hilling up a radish, it’s a crapshoot.... Today the LPR has become not “just a self-proclaimed rebellious territory”, but recognized subject of international law!!! South Ossetia made a statement of recognition that radically changes the situation. Why not Russia? Yes, because Russia is, like, a participant in the conflict and an interested party, which would automatically put Russia in this “war” at a disadvantage. And now, Russia can conduct a dialogue not with a self-proclaimed rebellious republic within Ukraine, but with a new subject of international law with the presence of (a) a referendum, (b) recognition by a third party. Now the LPR can receive Russian support legally in accordance with international law. This includes the organization of a no-fly zone and the use of “certain other” capabilities against aggressive actions against civilians. At the same time, everything will be respected and preserved, both the image and face of the country. But the United States and the junta will have to come to terms with this, and the authority and reputation of America will be completely undermined.... There is no need to drive the horses.
  89. Elbarud
    0
    18 2014 June
    Guys, well, sensible thoughts sometimes sound. Just the day before in Vesti FM, Semyon Bagdasarov said that firstly, the Duma should have long ago adopted a resolution on genocide in the south-east of Ukraine; secondly, in this regard, provide all possible humanitarian and assistance in armaments. In his words, at least with “Shilkas”...wow! Well, like they will discourage, at least Ukrainian helicopters will not be hindered from flying. But from myself: as far as I’ve heard, it won’t seem too much to anyone .But the main thing is that the “Americans” can send their specialists, but are we any worse? We need officers. So give them like our specialists!
    .
  90. +1
    18 2014 June
    ic.pics.livejournal.com/alexlotov/17917807/25276/25276_600.jpg
  91. +1
    18 2014 June
    Lately there are no words, only interjections........
  92. +1
    18 2014 June
    "...The only available way is to provide assistance to the uprising. Immediate, massive assistance in all areas - organizational, resource, diplomatic, political, information and propaganda.
    It's time to launch the process of assistance at all levels. With a boundary condition - the Russian army should not enter the territory of Donbass and Ukraine. Everything else should be there. From recruiting volunteers to sending any weapons with them, except for weapons of mass destruction.
    All this needs to be created urgently and now
    However, the main thing is that you finally need determination. The Russian government has gained enormous credibility in Crimea, but has managed to lose it over the past month and a half. She can still regain trust in her actions - but not on credit. Only in fact"....

    It is high time. So far they haven’t even bothered to recognize the DPR.
    1. 0
      18 2014 June
      Quote: nils
      It is high time. So far they haven’t even bothered to recognize the DPR.

      LSV, you understand one thing, big politics is involved here...Everything is in the waiting stage. Our government is afraid to make unnecessary moves regarding the recognition of the DPR or LPR. Now there will be a specific crisis in Ukraine...or rather a complete oops...The only thing that’s offensive is that peaceful people are dying because of this fucking policy. IMHO!
  93. 0
    18 2014 June
    Quote: Anisim1977
    I agree with Monk. The fact that we are not shown all the assistance provided does not mean that it is not there. But I agree with the author - MANPADS is good, but it's time to "find a wildly secret warehouse" on the territory of Novorossia where there are 100 T-72 tanks, a battery of GRADs, shilki, tunguska - all made in the USSR - the legend is a top-secret stash of the KGB, the ancient grandfather accidentally remembered where he served. Yes, it sounds a bit fantastic - but much more believable than the nonsense that the junta and Psaki regularly carry. hi

    Already found, it seems. But the information is not confirmed.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-61625-u-dnr-poyavilis-sobstvennye-tanki-ischem-tankistov
    .html
  94. scarp
    +1
    18 2014 June
    A. Gromyko would probably have done this: severing diplomatic relations, recalling our ambassador, expelling the Ukrainian ambassador, completely ignoring Ukraine at the UN, demonstratively withdrawing from those meetings where Ukraine is present. And don't give a fuck what they think about us. Born in the USSR. I swore the oath to him. I can't think of anything else.

    p/s/ 0:0 with South Korea. I’m not sad yet, but I’m not losing hope. Guys, NNNNNAAAADDO!!!!! I'm with you.
    1. +1
      18 2014 June
      Quote: Scarp
      p/s/ 0:0 with South Korea. I’m not sad yet, but I’m not losing hope. Guys, NNNNNAAAADDO!!!!!

      Both you and I know how this will all end in the end. And looking at the first one there and our pedestrians request
      1. scarp
        0
        18 2014 June
        true patriots. guys, I also have to go to work tomorrow at 8 Moscow time, but it’s ours! Why are there few of us?

        although the foodies are 1st half ;)
    2. +2
      18 2014 June
      Quote: Scarp
      . Guys, NNNNNAAAADDO!!!!! I'm with you.

      Would anyone else need it besides us? request
  95. +1
    18 2014 June
    The author is right - the corridors of power are full of traitors. They are not traitors, but simply non-Russians and they don’t care about our Russia, all these creatures have three or four passports with foreign citizenship.
  96. Solovyov
    +1
    18 2014 June

    The Communist Party faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation demanded to recognize the DPR and LPR and provide them with military assistance. In Moscow, at a meeting of the State Duma on June 17, deputy I.I. spoke on behalf of the Communist Party faction. Nikitchuk: “We, communists, believed and still believe that it is better to die standing than to live on your knees. In the current conditions, our faction considers it necessary to officially recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics. We demand from the President of the Russian Federation to protect the civilian population, to provide Novorossiya with an effective military help. The inaction of the Russian authorities gives rise to fair accusations against our Ukrainian brothers in the South-East of betraying them. The terrible events in Ukraine showed that for 20 years Western countries pretending to be friends finally revealed all their hatred for Russia, and the slogan “Russia has enemies in the West No!" was replaced by the realization that Russia has no friends and allies in the West. In fact, there never were any, about which we, communists, constantly warned Russian adherents of “Western democracy.” And this is what we must always remember! Long live the heroic Novorossiya! to be on Russian soil."
  97. Elbarud
    0
    18 2014 June
    When I learned that the militia had broken through to the border, I was happy. Thinking not only about the humanitarian corridor, but about a bunch of “smugglers” arms dealers (on credit, of course) and of course with weapons from our side. By the way, the English Prime Minister, anticipating my wishes, warned: “No arms supplies!”
    Apparently it broke.
  98. scarp
    0
    18 2014 June
    Goooall!!!!!! Goal!!!!
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  100. scarp
    0
    18 2014 June
    Potsons, I can’t hit the keyboard anymore, but we ran around in the second half. We were tired, but we ran. Ehh, it didn’t go well in the last minutes. Well, there's the World Cup...the rainbow races missed out 5:1. And “Golden Boy” is 4:0, so what? Igor, of course, missed an offensive goal, sometimes he stopped short, but without him ours wouldn’t have existed. Akinfeev hammer.

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