Fighters of the "Right Sector" shot the crew of the Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles abandoned in Russia

According to the "RT in Russian", with reference to the press center of the DPR Dmitry Gau, the militants of the Right Sector shot the crew of the BMP, which the Ukrainian military had abandoned on Russian territory a few days earlier.

"These punishers staged a demonstrative execution of the National Guard under the war, not having a bit of pity for their fellow comrades," said the spokesman.

According to Dmitry Hau, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People's Republic, Fyodor Berezin, reported about the execution of the crew.

On the night of June 13, two infantry fighting vehicles of the Ukrainian military violated the state border of the Russian Federation by infiltrating the territory of the Rostov region. One car died down and was detained by Russian border guards. This information was confirmed by the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov.

At first, one BMP penetrated into Russian territory. She later died down and could not move on. Russian border guards arrived at the scene. Soon the second infantry fighting vehicle of the Ukrainian military appeared, the crew of which demanded that the Russian soldiers release their fellow soldiers.

The Ukrainian servicemen were released, but the stalled BMP remained on Russian territory.

It is noted that Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send a note of protest to the Ukrainian authorities.

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[Lantau]

Soon, the second Ukrainian military infantry fighting vehicle appeared, the crew of which demanded that Russian soldiers release their colleagues. The Ukrainian military was released, but the stalled infantry fighting vehicle remained on Russian territory.

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

[Dimsanych]

I support. How can violators of the state border demand something, and even those who arrived on military equipment loaded with ammunition ?! And of course they were released ...

And right then the right sector shot this crew, of course there were no witnesses.
Something seems to me that they did not leave the territory of the Russian Federation. Maybe they were carried out, and laid closer to their ...

Many misunderstandings in this muddy story.

[skeptic]

Quote: DimSanych

Many misunderstandings in this muddy story.

Yes, the understanding is just there. How to prove that Russia supplies military equipment without material evidence, well, at least in the form of traces.

Only God marks the rogue - the technique did not allow to bring the plan to the end. The "rescue" of the crew and the subsequent execution fits well into the logic of "covering up the tracks." No witnesses, no problem.
Provocations, on the topic - "RUSSIAN AGGRESSION", will continue, so that this event, as a minor episode, will soon be erased under a wave of real provocations.
Prepare a weapon or popcorn, who has a mentality of life, but no one will have a quiet life soon.

[Sandov]

Quote: DimSanych

Many misunderstandings in this muddy story.

Yes, everything is clear, the bastards are killing their people, it seems that the soldiers wanted to escape from the war, but the Natsiks did not allow it.

[Alexei]

It is completely incomprehensible. We are all outraged as usual, but someone will say that we should not give in to provocations, as Stalin once said, who did not want to fight Germany ahead of time. At this historical stage, it is precisely Germany that should help Russia in this bad business.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alexej

that one should not succumb to provocations, as Stalin once said, who did not want to fight Germany ahead of time.

As a result, we came to Moscow, do you want to repeat the mistakes again?

Quote: Alexej

At this historical stage, it is precisely Germany that should help Russia in this bad business.

Yes, Germany will help you Toka first Merkel ass Obama polish his language and go to Russia to help. There was one fan of Germany, Alton, or whatever it was.

[Sunjar]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

As a result, we came to Moscow, do you want to repeat the mistakes again?

Alexander, the essence of that process was to delay the start of the war, as long as possible, by any means, since the USSR was not fully prepared for war. Your comparison is incorrect.

But the information itself about the shooting of their own ukraines sounds real, like propaganda, in order to create a completely two-person image of the enemy. Pravoseki in general are. Here are just a few evidence of execution there. People are scared only and angry too.

[Alexei]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

As a result, we came to Moscow, do you want to repeat the mistakes again?

However, I do not consider the Ukrainian army capable of reaching Moscow.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Toka first Merkel ass Obama will polish his tongue and go to Russia to help.

Well, let it lick under the terrible howl of German politicians and industrialists, I do not mind. I am not a fan of Germany, she is an enemy like all of Europe, but this enemy is worthy of respect. And he will still play by sound and profitable rules.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Alexej

However, I do not consider the Ukrainian army capable of reaching Moscow.

And I'm not writing for Ukrainian.

Quote: Alexej

. And he will still play by sound and profitable rules.

And have you seen much healthy lately? Benefit, but I didn’t see health.

[Alexei]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And have you seen much healthy lately? Benefit, but I didn’t see health.

I haven’t seen it at all. But I mean the near future.

[Revolver]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? Unclear.

Under the gun of KPVT or what is installed on that model in the tower - why not demand? There would be something more armored and large-caliber like the T-90 behind the border guards, and the conversation would have been different.

[freerider]

it would be better if the border guards had an armored video recorder, it would be worse than the whole T-90 division

[Matroskin 18]

Under the gun of KPVT or what is installed on that model in the tower - why not demand? There would be something more armored and large-caliber like the T-90 behind the border guards, and the conversation would have been different.

I will never believe that our border guards did not have grenade launchers, support by artillery and combat helicopters, and this is on the border with the "hot spot"! At least cut, at least eat - I will not believe !!!

[SVT]

PANCAKE!!! here, in your opinion, for any report on border violations, it is necessary to put forward the ENTIRE border detachment with reinforcements, and still request the Reserve of the Supreme High Command (RVGK)?
Then, by analogy, it is necessary to send a detachment of riot police to report about hooligans at the entrance, or what if the terrorists are the UNTO?
In conditions of mass hysteria around the border, local peisans, except that only UFOs can see the border, the military convoys cross the border, it turns out that the farmers went to the field camp in military-grade ZILs, then they transported the MLRS, it turns out that the broken mast was covered with an awning and brought for repair, and already hysteria that the VACCESSED ROCKET was transported, so they put forward a border guard with Kalash, FUCKING THE Grenade Launchers THROUGH THEM FOR NO REASON? and you look at where the nearest artillery unit is located, and I think you will be surprised to find out that within a radius of 200-300 km, there are no such units, because until recently Ukraine was a fraternal state.

[geo185]

Tajikistan 92yr Pyanj border guards with small arms only bk 120 shots

[Kilo-11]

I declare with complete responsibility that our border guards on the border with Ukraine have nothing but pistols and machine guns. They’re not a wild kit, and our BTGs have been taken away from the border. The armored vehicles of our border guards are the same or what. our air forces are no longer considered troops, from here the lack of group small arms, anti-tank weapons, etc. It is sad but true.

[Normal]

Quote: Nagan

Under the sight of KPVT or what is installed on that model in the tower

An automatic gun 2A42 (caliber - 30 mm) and a PKT machine gun paired with it are installed in a swinging mask in the tower.

[P-38]

And it seems to me that with all the seeming absurdity, the above could well have happened. I am from the Rostov region, therefore I know a little how the border is guarded here. Not at all like in Soviet times. Before the conflict began, frontier guards detained almost exclusively small smugglers (clothes, vodka, and other little things), and perhaps they have not yet rebuilt. They could chase the violators in the UAZ, stumbled on a 30-mm cannon and raised their legs. And to take the intruders to fright (now our helicopters are on the way, you will be blown up without warning), apparently, the character was not enough. So it could well be.





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[kare]

Nagan (2) US Today, 08: 39 ↑ New

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? Unclear.

Under the gun of KPVT or what is installed on that model in the tower - why not demand? There would be something more armored and large-caliber like the T-90 behind the border guards, and the conversation would have been different.

In times of military honor, the outpost commander would have shot himself in the head
Dead shame do not have
And they wouldn’t let out the vorogs, whatever they would instruct them
shit. my border is

[Magadan]

In the beginning, it was just such infa that slipped - our border guards drove up to arrest the violators, but then a second infantry fighting vehicle appeared, brought in the KPVT and calmly took everyone away.

[Varangian22]

Here, here, here, "There would have been something more armored-large-caliber T-90 type behind the border guards, and the conversation would have been different." ... And then at all pro-Russian forums, residents of the DPR and LPR are so fiercely accused that they do not Do they want to defend their homeland? They want it, only with what, your "invisible" help or those three advertised tanks and guns that came from nowhere, were not noticed anywhere in hostilities, but were noticed by the Americans and accusers on the forums. Russia is rushing tanks across the cordon, while others say that the militias are full of heavy weapons, but the locals still do not want to go to war! The former are useless to convince them of something, they are firmly "sitting on their own wave", the second is the beginning of this commentary, and then that with three tanks it is somehow inconvenient to defend the territory of the entire DPR and LPR. Moreover, against them almost all the Armed Forces with their (albeit outdated), but no less deadly heavy weapons. So it turns out that with a catastrophic shortage of heavy weapons (yes, and not only heavy ones) as in the case of Russian border guards, not many want to be dead heroes. So thanks for the "invisible" help!

[alex-s]

Can they demand something?

Okay, at least they didn’t need to repair the BMP!

[skeptic]

Quote: alex-s

Well, at least they didn’t need to repair the BMP! lol

Well yes. And demand to wash and fill for free "GREAT BANDEROVSKY COLORADOV".

[Varangian22]

Not yet evening!!!

[volot-voin]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

It is unclear what XXX ..... did they give up these ruffles to the mercy of the National Guard? Is their further fate not clear? People in Russia were looking for protection.
But the BMP dill of the National Guard had to be detained at least, but they would refuse to obey - to destroy, so that it would be inconvenient to climb in Russia, and even command

[Matroskin 18]

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

These are our border guards strange. In any case, they should have been detained or shot for failure to comply with the requirements ... Although it may be that a "special" order came to them from above!

[RUSS]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

They released the Ukropovskaya BMP at gunpoint, which drove up behind the first "behoy".

[SVT]

Why they were released. According to the official statement of the Russian Federation, the border guard received a message about the presence of military equipment in the Russian Federation, arrived at the place and found on the territory of the Russian Federation - BMP of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an attempt was made to detain the crew of a dead BMP, the testimonies of the parties began to differ radically, according to one version the BMP crew escaped to the territory of Ukraine, and returned as part of another infantry fighting vehicle, apparently they tried to evacuate it, according to another version the crew of the first infantry fighting vehicle came to the rescue and the second infantry fighting vehicle arrived, but according to both versions, the border sent an attempt to detain the crew of the first infantry fighting vehicle, the second sent a gun to the border .
Now imagine you a frontier:
Depending on the nature of the tasks performed and the methods of action in the protection of the State border, the following types of border orders are used:
patrol (two border guards and more);
sentry (one border guard or more);
secret (two border guards and more);
observation post (one border guard or more);
technical monitoring post (staffing and more);
mobile border post (five border guards and more);
border control post (two border guards or more);
reconnaissance and search group (before the separation of border guards and more);
anxiety group (five border guards and more);
search group (five border guards and more);
screening (five border guards and more);
ambush (seven border guards and more);
border convoy (two border guards and more);
That is, at best, from 2 to 5 people, there is no sense in sending more information to verify information, such information can receive up to 20 messages per day, there will not be enough border guards. You don’t have heavy weapons, a maximum of mukhtar, and now BMP - a 30-mm gun — is sending you BMP armed with Kalash and RGD (as well as Mukhtar), and what becomes Panfilov’s guys? What is the purpose? The BMP still remained on the territory of the Russian Federation, evidence of border violations - iron! :)
So they released it, and then, on the news, they drove a video where the crew of 24 news went into place, so there along the road embankment next to the BMP they equipped at least a platoon of fighters for shooting while lying down, and there was a trench open under LNG The AGS, the trench was covered with a maskset, so they did everything right, found a violation, could not cope themselves, called in reinforcements, and at that moment they were observing the situation, all according to the charter.

[rereture]

directs BMP - 30-mm gun

And this is an act of aggression against our state. And you: do not succumb to provocations, etc.

[Alex2014]

Very simple. They let go, because they aimed the barrel at our border guards. But when they wanted to pick up the BMP, ours didn’t give them, the FSB border control helped.

[bedniyyorik]

Dear saw when the barrel of the BMP was never If you do not have your own BMP, then give all that is

[alone]

Information about the execution - a fake of pure water. Do not fall for such tricks))). Bullshit all this.

[Aleksandr12]

Why bullshit? I am not at all surprised by such actions of the pravosek. Think of the civilian life in the early 20th century. The communists shot everyone who refused to fight or, as the commissars imagined, showed cowardice. They intimidated those who remained so that they had no thoughts of retreating or unwillingness to shoot at the "enemy".
The departure of the crew without the equipment entrusted to it is perceived by the pravosek as a manifestation of cowardice and "according to the laws of wartime ..." or even according to some "laws" against the wall (in the field).
Look closely at the actions of the right sector, it is exactly the same as the actions of the communists in the civilian. The laws of the revolution cannot be violated. Otherwise, there will be no revolution. I will even be "shocked" if I learn that orders to "raise morale" (read execution) are issued by a person with the surname Rabinovich or some other purely "Ukrainian" surname

[alone]

Quote: Alexander12

Why bullshit? I am not at all surprised by such actions by the pravosekov. Remember the civil at the beginning of the 20th century.

Now is the 21st century. And not the beginning of the 20th century. All that is said about PS is garbage of pure water.
Through their channels, people who have been tested for years just the same in conversations with me complain that there are no right-wingers on the line of fire, none of them really took up arms or fought. They blew them out of the confrontation line after the wind a couple of people from the PS fell into the hands of the DNR militants. here it is. And here you are all listening to all sorts of garbage.
To fight, it’s not to burn tires and hammer in cops rush.

[Ivan Petrovich]

it’s advisable not to have an IFV, but a turntable over your head :)

[Andrey78]

The news filed somewhat wrong. What drove, stuck, appeared outfit frontier guards. Ukrainians fled. After some time, they drove up to the second infantry fighting vehicle, pointing the gun at the border guards trying to drag off the first infantry fighting vehicle. Our summoned help, the Ukrainians - ran away.

[Val_y]

So that's just the point, reminds 1941 "under no circumstances, do not succumb to provocations." We remember how it ended. And the political plays all the notes, eh ... fucking politics ... I, ugh

[fktrcfylhn61]

Why is it not clear? There is a Ukrainian proverb: Pans are fighting and at lackeys forelocks are cracking! Well, there are pans both with us and with us !!! I would look at the situation when in the east of Ukraine there would be no militias! And who would represent the interests of Russia ??? Among other things, the pans will always agree, and the slaves will be merged! Stupid slaves, there are much less panov!

[Canep]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

Actually, for talking to the border guards in that language, they should have received a couple of gifts from RPGs and fire to kill from small arms. I hope a normal investigation of this will be conducted.

[max702]

And this is the border with the hostile country fighting at full height! Your mother ! What are our politicians and the military doing ?! Today is an infantry fighting vehicle, and tomorrow there are heels of tanks or one "Grad" installation with crazy dill, and what will happen if they rush into the border town and smack it on it? You will say that it cannot be like this .. And why not actually? there is an abundance of equipment, and the losses that they bear do not add peace of mind, and then it turns out that the service at the border is rushing through our sleeves, as for me there should be a very heightened mode of service, the actions of the adjacent hostile side just need to be monitored around the clock deep into 30-50 km, and react adequately, yes, I understand that it is very difficult and very costly, but .. Again, we will think and do when we pay for criminal negligence and slovenliness with blood? Examples of darkness, and Tajikistan, and Budenovsk. and Nord Ost, and 08.08.08 ... Again on the same rake? or will the border population be sacrificed as peacekeepers in Tskhinvali? How much can political and military stupidity pay with the blood of citizens of their country?

[C2H5OH]

most likely, and as usual, they were accidentally discovered by a small patrol outfit armed with some clashes and reinforced with a bobik (dog), after the incoming bomber took to the aid of the border guards they were forced to stand idle

[Aleksey888]

A very reasonable question! And I would like to hear an official answer to it. And in general, on what basis Ukraine was granted such concessions. That plane, then BMP is a foreign, military equipment in our territory (without a white flag) In my opinion, we ourselves give a reason to wipe our feet about us.

[Kite]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

- just turn on your info interpreter. There is no documentary video recording, each describes the event in his own words, knowing about the event from the second or third exposition.

[radar1967]

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

It is disgusting to read, 100 times I promised not to mess with hollow breeds, but ...
Dear, Lantau, you are utter nonsense, and they give you advantages! Amazing! Looks like the same imperfections gathered. Kukarekalki. Theorists of military affairs .. Ugh ... like you need to be silent like a fish on ice ...

ON THE WAR REQUIRES STRONG AND DECISIVE! AND THE CASE IS NOT NUMBER A, IN THE ABILITY TO PUT THE ENEMY ON THE STAFF, OR PUT IT.

Quote: Lantau

And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

Someone always wins. Someone is losing. In this case, the spirit turned out to be stronger among the fighters of Ukraine. Our border guards turned out to be prudent and slow-witted (like Lantau) and, most importantly, unprepared for death. AND YOU YOURSELF, Lantau, BEFORE THE BARRELONGE AT LEAST TIME STANDING ???

IN BATTLE YOU ARE NOT VALUABLE, BUT A DETERMINED Fighter !!! Fighter Able to Go to the End.
Why are Chechens afraid? Do you think they are good military experts? No and no again. So-so. By myself, I know, they fired a lot and past ... BUT, DECISIONARY FIGHTERS ARE CHECKED, AND THIS IS THEIR POWER!

[johnsnz]

Jackals are their comrades. Well this is the opening of fire on the territory of another state. Yes, they would take shmalluli on them border guards))) So that fear is not lost

[EvilLion]

The frontier guards do not have so many heavy weapons.

[volot-voin]

Quote: EvilLion

Border guards do not have much

To draw up a lone BMP of dill, it’s enough, moreover, they will most likely be unlimited in the open in the Russian Federation.

[Normal]

Quote: EvilLion

The frontier guards do not have so many heavy weapons.

I would like to ask everyone who admires the genius of VVP. And what? On the adjacent side of the border, fighting is going on, armored vehicles of a potential enemy are roaming the vastness of our homeland, and our border guards have nothing to answer with? And then what troops were taken away from the border? That, God forbid, they did not succumb to "provocations"? Once we no longer "succumbed to provocations." As a result of the "provocateurs" near Moscow and on the Volga they stopped, very close to the border ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Normal

And then what troops were taken from the border?

Are you sure they were taken away?
Are you sure that Ukrainian BMP is just a provocation?
Are you sure you know everything about the situation?

[Normal]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I'm sure ....
I'm sure ....

"Send you far away with open text?"

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Normal

"Send you far away with open text?"

Come on, let's go, my little swamp liberal

[Normal]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ну try it come on, my little swamp liberal

Foul of you ... you swirling, rattling and rattling weather vane.
Moreover, this is your phrase:

Alexander Romanov (1) RU June 13, 2014 15:43 ↑
Send you far open tektom?

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Are you sure you know everything about the situation?

I am sure that only you know everything about any situation.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: asar
Is this column from the border or "there" ?!

There

From Vladivostok you see who, with whom, and how in Moscow, and who, where, where from Novoshakhtinsk.
And for the liberal, you, the pro-Putin quirky balabol, will answer.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Normal

Foul of you ... you swirling, rattling and rattling weather vane.

I do not understand, is it like the Moscow message in plain text? Yes, you liberals completely cuckoo blows.

Quote: Normal

I am sure that only you know everything about any situation.

No, I don’t know, but I also don’t draw conclusions about what I don’t know. And you do it all the time, though, what to take from a liberal, except for analyzes

Quote: Normal

From Vladivostok you see who, with whom, and how in Moscow, and who, where, where from Novoshakhtinsk.

It’s not strange, I know more than you I wanted to write to you in PM, but you are an unreliable person.
Yeah, he is a liberal and in Africa a liberal.

[Irokez]

Quote: Normal

I would like to ask everyone who admires the genius of VVP. And what? On the adjacent side of the border, fighting is going on, armored vehicles of a potential enemy are roaming the vastness of our homeland, and our border guards have nothing to answer with? And then what troops were taken away from the border? That, God forbid, they did not succumb to "provocations"? Once we no longer "succumbed to provocations." As a result, the "provocateurs" were stopped near Moscow and on the Volga, very close to the border.

Such normal ones, I would rave about alarmism. I would take them out the door and, as Zhirinovsky says, "Shoot".

[Panzerjager]

It is not clear why the violators - all - were not detained. Are you afraid, border guards?

[miasoman]

Like a ghoul. The smell of blood killed everything human in them. How will they live when this insanity passes ?!

[Zaslavsky-S]

I hope they will no longer live.

[armageddon]

Hmm ... His SAME - SAME SHOT ... !!! But there is NO LOOP ... !!!

[KOH]

At first, one BMP penetrated into Russian territory. She later died down and could not move on. Russian border guards arrived at the scene. Soon the second infantry fighting vehicle of the Ukrainian military appeared, the crew of which demanded that the Russian soldiers release their fellow soldiers.

They also demand ... why the Russian border guards, they won’t put things in order there, will soon start flying planes to Rostov, will we wipe ourselves off? ...

[mackonya]

This is a provocation, why follow the lead of the stupid "Kiev authorities". For that, having collected all these incidents, it will be possible to declare at least something when entering peacekeeping troops.

[Egoza]

Quote: CON

They also require.

We have already discussed this. The border guards did not have such weapons to resist the BMP. But the role of the Right Sector is becoming clearer. They do not directly participate in the battles, which the "centurions and commanders" of the junta have already complained about, but they are engaged in executions. And also the identification of dissatisfied and potential relocators. Wouldn't these "most Svidomye Bandera members" stand, and the servicemen (officers in the first place) would not have known that families are practically held hostage, much more would have gone over to the side of the rebels.

[perm23]

They have no RPG. Just probably there is an order. Do not touch, so as not to

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: Egoza

... Wouldn't these "most Svidomye Bandera members" stand, and the servicemen (officers in the first place) would not have known that families are practically held hostage, much more would have gone over to the side of the rebels.

So we must already decide, draw conclusions, are they soldiers or ballerinas ???

[Normal]

Quote: mackonya

This is a provocation, why follow the lead of the stupid "Kiev authorities".

What for? In the 41st, too, did not go on the provocation of fools-Germans.

Quote: Egoza

Already discussed this. The border guards did not have such weapons that they could resist against the BMP.

And what? On the adjacent side of the border, hostilities are ongoing, the armored vehicles of the probable enemy are wandering around the expanses of our homeland, and our border guards have nothing to answer? And then what troops were taken from the border?

[Irokez]

Quote: Normal

And what? On the adjacent side of the border, hostilities are ongoing, the armored vehicles of the probable enemy are wandering around the expanses of our homeland, and our border guards have nothing to answer? And then what troops were taken from the border?

Why are you a little thing. It’s straight. Not normal. Tell me tanks instead of border guards should ride along the perimeter of the border.

[zzz]

Quote: CON

First, one BMP penetrated Russian territory.

First, as if by accident, an airplane, then, as if by accident, an IFV, then, as if by accident, the embassy, ​​then, as if by chance, our correspondents (moreover, by chance and repeatedly) .... Therefore, they will accidentally fly to Rostov. Why were they released when they were in our territory? The impunity of dill has already brought them to our land. Therefore, I am not surprised that they believe that they will take Crimea. IMPUNITY.

[KOH]

Here I am about ...

[Normal]

Quote: zzz

First, as if by accident, an airplane, then, as if by accident, BMP, then, as if by accident, the embassy, ​​then, as if by chance, our correspondents .....
The impunity of dill has already brought them to our land ....
IMPUNITY.

Well, how is it? Putin severely "punished" them -

It is noted that Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send a note of protest to the Ukrainian authorities.

...

Moscow sent a note of protest to the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine because of the attack on the Russian embassy

[perm23]

Yes, probably there is an order as in 41 goals. Do not succumb to provocations, etc. So they released them, and we don’t shoot down planes. They don’t understand with us that a bandit cannot be persuaded to behave well, until he receives in the face, he does not understand

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: CON

They also demand ... why the Russian border guards, they won’t put things in order there, will soon start flying planes to Rostov, will we wipe ourselves off? ...

Sweat fly! Obviously, they are not going to leave anywhere.

[asar]

But! Is this column from the border or "there" ?!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: asar

Is this column from the border or "there" ?!

There

[JACTUS RECTUS]

BMD, where are they being relocated ??? Why paratroopers ??? What BMD can oppose the SU-24/25, MI-24/8 ??? Maybe how the militias will jump against aircraft from MANPADS ???

[Russ69]

Quote: JACTUS RECTUS

BMD, where are they being relocated ??? Why paratroopers ??? What BMD can oppose the SU-24/25, MI-24/8 ??? Maybe how the militias will jump against aircraft from MANPADS ???

According to their staff, they have MANPADS, and the Strela-10M should have their own detection station. There will be no massive raid, with all the desire, and there is something to fight off a couple of both ...

[TiGRoO]

In the Rostov Region, Aviation, Air Defense and Missile Defense are available, do not worry.
By the way, on the day when the Ukrainian BMP came to us, all day in Rostov Aviation wound up circles, I declare this to you as a resident of Rostov)))

[Roshchin]

Movement is everything, the ultimate goal is nothing.

[JACTUS RECTUS]

The motto of revisionism is not appropriate here and in itself is absurd.

[talnax7]

If true, then let them surrender to us, even if they live

[kowalski]

What do you mean appeared ?! It means that she also violated the Russian border! On this section of the border, what is there to shoot at the foe? Planes fly in, armored vehicles call in, we will soon hear in Rostov: "Who does not jump, is that?"

[EvilLion]

There is no border there, it didn’t appear in 23 of the year, and border guards do not usually destroy armored vehicles. Accordingly, such episodes are inevitable, they already say about the downed Ukrogvintokryl near Rostov, the issue will be resolved in an obvious way, the tanks seem to have already left.

[Horst78]

"These punishers staged a demonstrative execution of the National Guard under the war, not having a bit of pity for their fellow comrades," said the spokesman.

And why am I not surprised?

[sanek0207]

What were they doing on the territory of RUSSIA, eh? The fact that they stalled is another matter! Why weren't they detained as - VIOLATORS OF THE STATE BORDER OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ???? Then another one arrived - "demanded", eh !? It's funny what these kaloedov can demand on our territory ??? THIS MAKES NO SENSE!

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: sanek0207

Why weren't they detained as - VIOLATORS OF THE STATE BORDER OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ???? Then another one arrived - "demanded", eh !? It's funny what these kaloedov can demand on our territory ??? THIS MAKES NO SENSE!

It's funny to you!? But I do not. It is not clear to me what, in general, is happening on the border with the "fraternal" (?), But not friendly, for a long time, state. After NATO's demand to withdraw troops from the border with Ukraine, Russia took them beyond the Ural ridge? Because those Who gave explanations on the incident, in my opinion, gave the impression of frightened, incompetent civilians - dressed in camouflage. Is there the only border guard for the Rostov Region? But what about the locked border? Not equipped STATE BORDER? The outfit has no connection? Who from the FSB is responsible for this section of the Russian border? Are the border guards scared of the Nazi guards? So, nowadays not everyone remembers the incident on the Chinese border, on Damansky Island ?! So the border guards of the USSR, almost the entire outpost was killed, but did not fulfill any of the requirements of the Chinese. They have done their duty! Glory to them! And what is happening now, on the border for the veterans of the Soviet Army - is still not clear!

[Bassoon]

Let them kill each other.

[hhhhhhh]

Putin ordered to punish. Putin's law-enforcement agencies.)))

[shaman-25rus]

here infa slipped that shot down ukropovsky helicopter in Russia
http://u-f.ru/News/u309/2014/06/13/679062

[Lyton]

In how and why they were released and the second car was not detained, it’s nonsense.

[ksv1973]

Positive news. And they also say that "a raven will not peck out a crow's eyes." Still, folk wisdom is sometimes wrong.

[parusnik]

Some kind of masochism shoot them for all kinds of crap ... and they like it ... how the rams go to the slaughterhouse ..

[storm wind]

Classical SS men - shoot their own! It is possible that the mercenaries did it, and the rest just stood and watched. The main thing is that such races and flights to our territory no longer happen. Or there was an adequate response from all trunks! Otherwise, what kind of power do we have?

[demon184]

It would be better to surrender to our border guards.

[22Alex]

But what do not give grenades to the border guards or not grenade launchers? no radios and they can not help?

[Kubanets]

He himself served in the Border Guards in the early 80s. As I remember the instructions for using weapons. When an ARMED intruder enters our territory, a border guard has the right to open fire WITHOUT WARNING. Can the instructions have changed now?

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: Kubanets

When an ARMED intruder enters our territory, a border guard has the right to open fire WITHOUT WARNING. Can the instructions have changed now?

Today, fellow countryman, MUCH ... has changed!

[Iskander Khan]

I do not believe. Not because of the conscientiousness of colleagues or the delirium of the act. It's just that the BMP team is more expensive than the demonstration penalty.

[Standard Oil]

What is the feeling that the state border of Russia is some kind of passage yard, I wanted to come alone, I wanted to, came the second, planes fly in to attack, what the hell didn’t bring down? They see that the war in the neighboring state and did not catch the troops to the border. Is it enough that NATO demands there, in the coffin I saw all their demands, but next time a group of law-enforcement officers in some border village will go in and shoot everyone there that we will again send protest notes?

[asar]

Let's imagine similar incidents at the US-Mexico border! "Yesterday, a Mexican military aircraft invaded US airspace", "Yesterday, a Mexican armored car invaded US territory, stalled, there was a demand for the US to return the armored car"! That sounds crazy ?! What would the state's reaction be to such a thing ?! The answer, I think everyone knows!

[Standard Oil]

Most likely the reaction would be this:

[mig31]

Why let go !? What kind of lightning turns out, it is necessary seriously with the border in this situation ....

[adamas.k]

In the Ukrainian media, they probably already shout the Russians crossed the border and shot the peacefully grazing BMP

[Bassoon]

Ukrainian media, headed by the inimitable Jen "Carousel" Psaki)

[ia-ai00]

Lantau S.U.
Can they demand something? And how, then, were they released? Unclear.

They probably have "demand" has grown, it would be necessary to SHORTEN IT, SURGICAL WAY.
Well, the fact that the Russian border guards let them go was not about "fright" in the face of the "demand", they just felt sorry for them, but it turns out in vain ... if they had not regretted, the guys would have been alive.
... RUSSIAN SOUL, you understand, we are all sorry, especially since you would have thought that YOURSELF would be shot, just one word - Fascists.

[Zlyden.Zlo]

A muddy story: that on the one hand they lie on the other ...

[Lunic]

usually the first report of an incident is the most truthful.
After that, there is processing with political sauce on each side and presented in a different light .. It all depends on the political situation
... the same thing happened with IL-76 ....

[Combat279]

Quote: EvilLion

The frontier guards do not have so many heavy weapons.

He is NOT at all, you just need to chop the loaf on the guys. So there was such a situation that ukrov had to be released.

[shaman-25rus]

and we are not donkeys to succumb to provocations. We noted, declared, warned. the following - to defeat. and no complaints. and so it would stink ...

[Nevyatoy]

Who knows the checkpoint on the road from Novoshakhtinsk (RF) to Anthracite who controls?

[kit-kat]

I thought that this would end for the crew.

[jovanni]

It is noted that Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send a note of protest to the Ukrainian authorities

Ah, Vladimir Vladimirovich .... They have been using these notes for a long time as toilet paper ...

[gandalf]

"These punishers staged a demonstrative execution of the National Guard under the war, not having a bit of pity for their fellow comrades," said the spokesman.

And do these people blame Stalin for cruelty?

[therapist]

The border guards arrived at the site of violation by Ukrainian BMPs. So the border guards knew that the armor had arrived, they needed to take a thick gun with them, but they didn’t take it, they came running with small shooters, like we wave away. And when we found out about the BMP, you need to report to the Top. Crocodiles will come up to support and pacify the aggressor. Again, not done. A strange war turns out. Not a professional one.

[lukke]

According to Dmitry Hau, the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Donetsk People's Republic, Fyodor Berezin, reported about the execution of the crew.

Well, yes, they brought to the neutral, so that everyone could see, they built in one line and read the sentence in a matyugal manner. Who after that from ukromahra will continue to fight?

[P-38]

Berezin may have its own sources of information

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: P-38

Berezin may have its own sources of information

Sources not only MAY BE - Sources must be. We will remember that Igor Ivanovich, Colonel of counterintelligence!

[antikilller55]

Who served in the border troops, tell me, is there any provision for reinforcing units and reserve groups, both with equipment and weapons, in such a difficult situation on the border as we now have with Ukraine?

[geo185]

I don’t know how now, but in 92g. in Tajikistan, our infantry regiment in Kurgan-Tyube was attached to the Panj border detachment

[Bartolomiu]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sweat fly! Obviously, they are not going to leave anywhere.

If not mistaken, this is BMD-2. In service with Ukraine in 2012, 78 pieces.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bartolomiu

If not mistaken, this is BMD-2. In service with Ukraine in 2012, 78 pieces.

And what does Ukraine have to do with Novoshakhtinsk

[Bartolomiu]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And what does Ukraine have to do with Novoshakhtinsk

I figured how many militias could be squeezed from the Ukrainian Army.

[Old shoe]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Lantau

Can they demand something? Unclear.

Under the gun of KPVT or what is installed on that model in the tower - why not demand? There would be something more armored and large-caliber like the T-90 behind the border guards, and the conversation would have been different.

Well, according to the very first information, the way it was. We arrived at the second infantry fighting vehicle, brought weapons to the border guards (which they already had on the tower) and took their own away.

[geo185]

Quote: Svt

so they did everything right, discovered a violation, could not cope themselves, called for reinforcements, and at that moment they themselves observed the situation, all according to the charter.

I completely agree with you, everything is clearly laid out on the shelves

[cerbuk6155]

Quote: Magadan

In the beginning, it was just such infa that slipped - our border guards drove up to arrest the violators, but then a second infantry fighting vehicle appeared, brought in the KPVT and calmly took everyone away.

The main thing that many missed, the BMP they threw turned out to be mined, and sappers came specially. It was a trap, thank God that no one got into it.

[FunkschNNX]

Soon planes will start flying in "accidentally" and "accidentally" dropping bombs.
It was necessary to detain all violators, for some of them it would save their worthless lives. In connection with the situation, Russian border guards should be prepared for such provocations.

[saigon]

As a soldier who served in the Soviet army, it infuriates when punishers and duds are called fighters. They do not have the right to be called that and that’s it. They have one punitive.

[niklaus]

I do not believe the facts. But in theory, a soldier who threw up a weapon a traitor, according to the law of wartime execution.

[Mama_Cholli]

quote:
At first, one BMP penetrated into Russian territory. She later died down and could not move on. Russian border guards arrived at the scene. Soon the second infantry fighting vehicle of the Ukrainian military appeared, the crew of which demanded that the Russian soldiers release their fellow soldiers.

The Ukrainian servicemen were released, but the stalled BMP remained on Russian territory.

_______________________________________________________________________
I don’t understand where I live now ???? !!!
When I served at the border (the USSR was still) to break the border and still demand something while being in the territory of another State, it was equivalent to playing with a grenade without a check. Are they also being released? Yes .... Russian border guards are not at all what they were under the USSR. The generation of Pepsi - IMHO.

[Leprechaun]

Quote: Lyton

In how and why they were released and the second car was not detained, it’s nonsense.

Listen, the militants are good to watch, return to reality, the outfit of border guards on the UAZ against 7-8 armed army men with the support of the Infantry Fighting Vehicle. They would put an outfit of border guards in 3 minutes and that's it. It's in the films everything is so beautiful and easy it turns out to shoot down tanks and helicopters from a bow and walk with a knife into a company of army men, everything in life is tougher and more banal.

[Giant thought]

The spiders in the jar begin to devour each other.

[C2H5OH]

Quote: DimSanych

And right then the right sector shot this crew, of course there were no witnesses. Something seems to me that they did not leave the territory of the Russian Federation. Maybe they were carried out, and put closer to their own ... There are many misunderstandings in this muddy story.

I remember a couple of months ago there was a case when the Ukrainian BMP fired at the militia unit post and disappeared in an unknown direction .... I still thought that somehow it was more like hooligans and not the army ... even the movie boomer immediately remembered))) here maybe the same army slobs and drove into our territory, maybe they wanted to hooligan or maybe they were lost or drunk .... then they got stuck or broke apparently ... they called for help and they didn’t have time to pick up ... and the right sector exponentially shot them for sloppiness and for the technique presented to the enemy

[Mahmut]

If BMP invaded the territory of the Russian Federation with the aim of provocation, then for which the crew was shot. Because the car is dead? So for this, like everyone in a row they do not shoot. Moreover, the provocation on any failed. BMP in warehouses is full, which can not be said about trained crews. I think that was the case. The crew of the fighting machine as a close-knit team decided to desert. Since deserters are being shot by detachments of PSov, they decided to flee to Russia. They didn’t dare run for their two. Far and there is no guarantee that the border guards of the Russian Federation will miss. According to the charter, they should be detained and after interrogation returned to the authorities of Urkaina. Another thing if you break into the BMP with weapons. Then, instead of detention, arrest and criminal case. Many will not be given, but they will not be returned back - for sure. They preferred to go out in jail rather than go to certain death. The second car was sent not to help, but to the fugitives. The crew is equipped with PSs, hence such a greyhound in relation to the border guards. In general, no luck guys. For that they shot.

[Nyrobsky]

Russia and Ukraine do not have a border as such, in the sense that it is equipped in engineering terms. There are just stationary customs and border posts on the main highways and a conventional line in the area, which only local residents know. Perhaps it was a reconnaissance of the terrain for the subsequent "shuttle" provocation, in order to imitate the passage of armored vehicles from Russia, but I also admit that the BMP crew could enter the territory of Russia out of ignorance of the terrain ... I do not think that the border guards should have died heroically under fire of KPVT, catching a Ukrainian crew in corn. It is enough that the very presence of border guards has been demonstrated and that the border is controlled. On the other hand, if it had been a planned action, the crew would hardly have been shot. Meanwhile, the fact of the demonstration execution cannot strengthen the morale of the "dill" and rather has a demoralizing effect that will lead to mass desertion, going over to the side of the militia, or force the army to turn weapons against the "pravosek" and their sponsors. The last option is preferable.

[Steel loli]

They were shot for the fact that they did not take explosives with them from the armor when they fled.
Now ends in the water. No one will say anything: why the Ukrainian army transported boxes of explosives in the Rostov region.

[Roshchin]

When will it be possible to read that the crew of the Ukrainian BMD shot a platoon of law enforcement officers who had shot more than one BMD crew before this? Why still do not turn on their minds?

[C2H5OH]

Quote: nicklaus

I do not believe the facts. But in theory, a soldier who threw up a weapon a traitor, according to the law of wartime execution.

and a soldier who sold weapons is an entrepreneur, according to the law of war, most of the proceeds should go to the state budget

[C2H5OH]

by the way, that’s something .... maybe they really sold the BMP to the FSB officers and they, in turn, gave it to the militia ... just for eyes and media, they made a show ... and they were already shot there for it

[Middle-brother]

beat yours so that strangers are afraid!

[Horse meat]

Beat your friends without respite
Every day for half an hour,
And your muscles
It will become stronger than brick.
And with mighty hands
You when the enemies come
You can in difficult times
Protect your friends.
G. Oster