Laboratory studies of samples from the Odessa House of Trade Unions

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In Sevastopol, an examination of samples taken in the House of Trade Unions of the city of Odessa after the tragedy 2 in May of this year occurred there. Chemical and spectral analysis of tissues was carried out. The experts concluded that white phosphorus was used during the Odessa drama. Online http://www.pust-govoryat.tv/ a letter is published in which the author provides information on the expertise carried out in Sevastopol.

Laboratory studies of samples from the Odessa House of Trade Unions


How could white phosphorus be in the House of Trade Unions? The author of the letter, mentioned above, has an assumption about the use of American-made M15 hand grenades in the building, the filling of which is represented by such a substance as white phosphorus.



Confirmation that in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa 2 May such a substance could be used, are also terrible photos from the scene of the tragedy. The photo shows that the clothes on many corpses practically did not suffer, and the skin color on the face and hands (open parts of the body) became black. This indicates the effects of a toxic chemical that killed people in a few seconds.







Charring of faces and hands occurred under the action of white phosphorus sprayed in the room. The effect of spraying is able to give just a torn grenade, stuffed with this chemical. Chlorine was used along with white phosphorus in the building.

Similar images at the time came from Iraq, where the Americans used a chemical weapon with white phosphorus.



The terrible crime in Odessa, the victims of which were 42 people (according to the published list of names), is not actually investigated. The Ukrainian authorities are doing everything to ensure that the guilty do not bear the deserved punishment.
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    1. +60
      14 2014 June
      The Ukrainian authorities are doing everything so that the guilty do not suffer deserved punishment

      Well, the Ukrainian authorities cannot punish themselves
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      2. +25
        14 2014 June
        Who survived there they were simply killed .. (head black clothes whole) .. This is fascism and there will be no investigation .. They had a terrible death .. We will take revenge ..!
        1. +2
          14 2014 June
          Personally, will you take your revenge? On the sofa?
          1. +5
            14 2014 June
            So I have the same question)))
            1. +3
              14 2014 June
              That do not pay attention. He always has such comments:
              Soar yes, develop !!!
              Long live!!!
              Five years in four years !!!
              1. -4
                14 2014 June
                but they’ll take a hike, those who enter his sofa crew :-)
                1. Ujin61
                  +2
                  15 2014 June
                  The cleverest cho-li here? The cons are the right ones.
                  1. +1
                    15 2014 June
                    Learn Russian, clown "cho-li" -)
                    you’ll also go for revenge if you can tear your ass off the couch, of course?
                    and minus your own you can push yourself flat :))
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        3. +50
          14 2014 June

          put these words on paper you need .... (((((((((
          1. GRANATE-19
            +7
            14 2014 June
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            put these words on paper you need .... (((((((((

            This is not a song, this is not a clip; it is REVELATION !!!
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          3. +3
            14 2014 June
            Yes strong.
          4. +7
            14 2014 June
            But neither Washington, nor Europe, nor even central and western Ukraine will see this video, but when they see it, they will send it to the Kremlin's propaganda. God, give reason to the flock of "rams". fool
          5. +6
            14 2014 June
            "Here is the blood of laborers instead of the Dnieper ...." How strongly said !!
          6. SLAVJYNIN
            +4
            14 2014 June
            Everything is correct, but not everyone understands it !!!! And we, on the corpses of neighbors and friends, go to ... ny !!! And we boast of their useless, and sometimes disgustingly disgusting "achievements"!
      3. +13
        14 2014 June
        14.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Overview of the combat situation from the militia

        At night, tension remained. At night, on approach, the Melitopol side of the dill troops (IL-76) was shot down, it contained drugs, armored vehicles, and rear support. Almost all died, the cargo burned down.
        Yesterday, another victim of a terrorist attack near the Donetsk Regional State Administration died, thus the number of deaths reached three people.
        At night in the area of ​​military operations, drones observed, one of them the same dill fired.
        In the morning in Mariupol, the National Guard unit was destroyed along with vehicles, it was still tense there.
        In the morning there was shelling of Severodonetsk, a siren worked.
        OK. 10:00 (local) drying was shot down over Gorlovka.
        From 12:00 (Moscow time) artillery shelling of the Yampolsky checkpoint from Kirovsk is ongoing, and a battle ensued there.
        In the 1st half of the day, a link of the dryers attacked again Druzhkovka (Gaidar camp), another dryer was shot down, Gorlovsky flyer during interrogation and tells a lot of interesting things. There are fights in Mariupol.
        14:00 (MCK) For more than an hour, shelling has been conducted from heavy guns in the central regions of Slavyansk, at the moment the fire has been transferred to Semenovka.
        14:15 (MCK) Since noon (local), heavy fighting has been going on in the Saur-Mogily area with the use of heavy samovars, now they are deploying howitzer crews.
        14:55 (MCK) In the vicinity of Donetsk, tension is growing. As before, shelling of Slavyansk and Semenovka continues.
        15:45 (MCK) There is a shelling of Andreevka, on the outskirts of Slavyansk, maneuverable positional battles, and the KPVT.
        16:05 (MCK) Near Donetsk airport, shooting ceased, there was black smoke; the battle began a little over an hour ago.
      4. +37
        14 2014 June
        if recently the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office stated that there were no snipers on the Maidan fool ... like their "heavenly hundred" shot themselves ... then what else can you expect from them?

        UkroSMI about Ukraine. Half year results:
        -Maidan SAMOorganized;
        -Yanukovych was removed;
        -Krym SELF separated;
        -Music self-killed;
        -Odessa antimaydan SAMO scorched;
        -Lugansk rocket of the militia SELF aimed at the air conditioner.
        Russian media about Ukraine. Half year results:
        -Ukraine: in power Impostors. good
        1. GRANATE-19
          +5
          14 2014 June
          Quote: _my opinion
          Ukraine: SAMOzvantsy in power.

          You can take credit, I laughed very loudly, set 2+ ...
          Sorry no longer.
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          1. 0
            15 2014 June
            how to put 2+? I only got 1+
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        3. +6
          15 2014 June
          I apologize in advance for the easy swearing. But here - otherwise it is impossible.
          My neighbor gave me an amazing Ukrainian word. It is the quintessence of the Ukrainian mentality! It is the alpha and omega of all Ukrainian cause-effect relationships!
          Every time, sweeping in the courtyard of his house, he keeps repeating: "From,, I shit again!" Note that it was not "I littered", not "they littered" or even "the leaves attacked"! It's SO shit! Without any reasons! Without outside interference! It was spontaneously generated like life in the primordial soup! This is how everything happens in Ukraine - "shit!" A state that does not imply either a subject or an object of action! And go and figure it out who is to blame and what to do about it ...
          For example, you read the message: "The number of helicopters in Ukraine has passed from 19 to 10 odinitsy". Not a word about military losses. And why did she, this bitch, such a fool, take and for no reason, for no reason, wasted?
          In the same way that helicopters behave in finance, utility bills, foreign exchange reserves, etc.
          Thanks to my neighbor, now with scientific accuracy I can imagine the deep essence of what is happening in our country: I don't care!
          Even Putin does not evoke such an ontological hopelessness ...
          1. GRANATE-19
            0
            15 2014 June
            Quote: kirieeleyson
            Thanks to my neighbor, now with scientific accuracy I can imagine the deep essence of what is happening in our country: I don't care!

            On the one hand, I congratulate you, since you made such a discovery.
            And on the other hand, it is CRASH, because if the PEOPLE OF UKRAINE have such a mentality (the Bandera Nazis and the junta do not count), then it will not be long ...
            He will be enslaved, remade, and after remodeling without further persuasion will lead to the abyss ...
            Yes, and he will jump, from hopelessness ...
            Hover the cursor over the picture

            THERE WHERE THE NAZI COLLECTION AND THE WEST WILL BE LEAD TO UKRAINE!


            SORRY ... !!!

            Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
            1. 0
              15 2014 June
              hi I do not want to appropriate foreign laurels for myself, this is a repost of the remarks of one remarkable person who, like many Ukrainians (Russians), deeply experiences the catharsis of nationality. No matter how sad and scary it was, they were tearing apart a country (territories — God bless them, statehood — yes to spit and grind — it’s easier to build a new one than to have it) tearing people’s souls apart .. Souls of those who sincerely wanted and went to this damned maidan for a brighter future, for those who didn’t earn anything and wanted change so that they could live better ... A small town should live better, not enough money for a pair of trousers and food a month, but also somewhere to go, except in the Crimea once a year at best .. And now it’s going to worry where no ordinary hard workers and employees can do anything except plugging holes in the state unity of the country with their lives .. and it's too late .. Something like this.
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    2. +24
      14 2014 June
      Critters, there is no forgiveness to them !!! am
      They will answer for Odessa with blood !!!
      Death to the Nazis !!! am am am
    3. +13
      14 2014 June
      Under the current government in Ukraine (US ambassador / manual Poroshenko) there will be no investigation. Rather, they will formally write something. And even perhaps they will find the hand of Moscow. But they won’t really do anything.
    4. smoker
      +1
      14 2014 June
      With all due respect to the media, this: http://www.pust-govoryat.tv/ I personally do not consider to be a reliable source.
      The name speaks for itself.

      Are there publications in other sources? The topic remains very relevant.
      1. +1
        14 2014 June
        The reference is not correct. Original Source -
        http://sevnews.info/
      2. +4
        14 2014 June
        Quote: smoker
        The topic remains very relevant.

        And what are the white spots ??? White phosphorus was used or not, these are the details! And the essence has long been clear and understandable!
        The brutal massacre organized by the pseudo-authorities, with the participation of Beni Kalommmoysky. Details do not fundamentally change anything.
        1. GRANATE-19
          +5
          14 2014 June
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          And what are the white spots ??? White phosphorus was used or not, these are the details! And the essence has long been clear and understandable!

          Everything is written in the article that both phosphorus in R-15 and chlorine were, most likely, it was used as it was at hand and that they put it into this bloody bloody hand ...
          Previously, they wrote about chloroform (contains chlorine), which, when burned, transforms into phosgene (BATTLE OM) ...
          More plastic burning products, well, this is already a result of burning, and perhaps a special arson to cause caustic smoke, or maybe they have already been trained and they did it purposefully at the direction ...
          THAT THE PEOPLE THERE HAS BEEN HURTED AND THE INFECTION PREPARED FOR THIS MASS MURDER, THIS IS A FACT FOR US, EVEN ANXIOM, BUT FOR A "trap" and "pants" THIS IS NOT PROOF, I AM AWESOME OF THE HUMAN BEING. EARLIER OR LATE THEY WILL PAY: AND THOSE WHO PERFORMED IT, AND THOSE WHO PLANED IT, AND THOSE WHO PAYED FOR IT, AND THOSE WHO ORDERED IT, AND THOSE WHO DECIDED IT, BUT PEOPLE DO NOT RETURN IT, Pity! AND IT'S NOT IMPORTANT HOW THEY DIED, IT IS IMPORTANT WHEN AND HOW THE PUNISHERS HAVE RETURNED! THAT'S ALL!
          Sorry in Ukraine there are no preconditions for justice under bandera regime ...
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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    5. +6
      14 2014 June
      It is necessary to collect more facts, to provide the international community, in order to bring this matter to the tribunal, even taking into account the opposition of the mattresses and singing along
      1. +5
        14 2014 June
        Quote: fox21h
        We need to collect more facts

        Have you heard anything about the White Books? We have already broadcast the second volume. Zero reactions!
        1. GRANATE-19
          +3
          14 2014 June
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Quote: fox21h
          We need to collect more facts

          Have you heard anything about the White Books? We have already broadcast the second volume. Zero reactions!

          And it is not necessary to write white books, but "WHITE ARROW" to create and solve issues with its help, and that's it ...
          How what happens, then it's not us and not ours, to stand our ground ...
          And with the Nazis, it’s necessary: ​​either an accident, then an accident, then suicide, then during a gop-stop they killed ...

          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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    6. +1
      14 2014 June
      And now Slavyansk. When will these fascists be stopped ?!
    7. +15
      14 2014 June
      A real investigation will be possible only after cleansing of the non-pedestrians of the Russian city - Odessa.
      1. +6
        14 2014 June
        There are options to establish the truth now, it is enough to ask the survivors the right questions.[A characteristic sign of phosphorus burns is a peculiar garlic smell, a glow in the dark, when the crust is broken, the wound begins to smoke (glowing and smoking wounds). White phosphorus is absorbed into the blood, having a resorptive effect (in mild cases, clinically it is weakness, dizziness, headache, bradycardia, nausea, in severe cases, disorders of the central nervous system, cardiovascular system, liver - pain, jaundice, hepatomegaly, bile pigments urine, pinpoint hemorrhages on the skin, hematuria, weak arrhythmic pulse, hypotension, sharp nervous excitement with a transition to a coma). "] It is entirely possible that questions have already been asked by whom, and infa will appear at a certain moment. And with the beasts of disassembly, there’s still ahead
    8. -15
      14 2014 June
      Carbonization of faces and hands occurred under the influence of white phosphorus dispersed in the room.

      Does anyone know how to spray white phosphorus?
      It is the exploding grenade filled with this chemical that can give the spraying effect. Along with white phosphorus, chlorine was used in the building.

      Was chlorine the same?
      Similar shots at one time came from Iraq, where the Americans used chemical weapons with white phosphorus.

      Is there a chemical weapon with white phosphorus?
      Sorry of course. If the investigation was carried out at such a level and with such conclusions, you are worth a dime. Whom can such conclusions convince?

      Weapons containing white phosphorus spread a flammable substance, the burning temperature of which exceeds 800 degrees Celsius, over a large area, the area of ​​which can reach several hundred square meters. Combustion continues until all of the phosphorus burns out or until the flow of oxygen stops. Such weapons can cause particularly grave and painful injuries or provoke a slow and painful death.. The treatment of such wounds requires specially trained medical personnel who can also receive phosphorus wounds during work.


      The picture generally shows a smoke grenade.
      White phosphorus produces thick white smoke, used for masking and smoke screens
      White phosphorus is not possible to spray
      Then chlorine-- well this is generally a song. How were the balloons brought in and what equipment was sprayed? Where is it all? But it could not evaporate.
      Chlorine is a gas of yellow-green color, with a pungent odor (the smell of bleach), 2,5 times heavier than air, therefore, when leaking, chlorine first fills the ravines, cellars, ground floors of buildings, spreads along the floor.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/spravka/20080327/102341081.html#ixzz34cUeSPZr

      For some reason no one mentioned pungent odors
      An article from the category of OBS. sorry minus
      1. +9
        14 2014 June
        And indeed they themselves burned the junta has already proved.
      2. +3
        14 2014 June
        In the Nazi concentration camps, the Jews were also treated not so badly, right?
      3. +5
        14 2014 June
        Thomas unbeliever read
        During the explosion of a grenade, phosphorus scattered to a distance of 20 meters, and a dense white cloud formed with a high combustion temperature of phosphorus.

        http://weapon.at.ua/load/284-1-0-659
      4. +10
        14 2014 June
        atalef (4) IL
        An article from the category of OBS. sorry minus
        "" Hand smoke grenade M15
        Equipment Type - White Phosphorus
        When a grenade exploded, phosphorus scattered to a distance of 20 meters, and a dense white cloud with a high combustion temperature of phosphorus was formed ""
        http://weaponland.ru/board/ruchnaja_dymovaja_granata_m15/25-1-0-156
        Of course it would be better if the chemist at the Russian Chemical and Chemical Plant explained everything ..
        Note:
        -and in Odessa and Mariupol and phosphorus bombs on Lugansk-everywhere foreigners appeared. and phosphorus (???? 00 ..
        -the last hike of the heel to Mariupol was also a mercenary and what caught my eye was a bandage on the sleeve from the TAPE .. In Odessa there were also red bandages from the electrical tape ... ??????
        1. GRANATE-19
          +3
          14 2014 June
          Quote: 222222
          -the last hike of the heel to Mariupol was also a mercenary and what caught my eye was a bandage on the sleeve from the TAPE .. In Odessa there were also red bandages from the electrical tape ... ??????

          I also noticed the blindfold, but the media were silent, did not comment ...?
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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      5. +6
        14 2014 June
        Then chlorine-- well this is generally a song. How were the balloons brought in and what equipment was sprayed? Where is it all? But it could not evaporate.

        A small glass ampoule of HCl indoors is enough to turn off a person almost instantly. Believe that chlorine will be enough. I do not advise trying. Checked for yourself. Solyanka HCh. But yellow traces should remain
        But overall, the analysis does not really look serious. Without a doubt, such defeats themselves do not occur. And what was to be found out. Find out where from serfs I don’t think I need to find out such means. Famous people lead them. Their nationality speaks for itself. hi
        1. -1
          14 2014 June
          Quote: kare
          A small glass ampoule of HCl indoors will be enough to turn off a person almost instantly. Believe that chlorine will be enough

          Sure . but where is the characteristic smell of chlorine? Why did not a niodin witness mention him? Already invented odorless chlorine? Did not know.
          1. +6
            14 2014 June
            Quote: atalef
            Why did not a niodin witness mention him?

            what are the witnesses? who sprayed it?
        2. GRANATE-19
          +4
          14 2014 June
          Quote: kare
          A small glass ampoule of HCl indoors is enough to turn off a person almost instantly. Believe that chlorine will be enough. I do not advise trying. Checked for yourself. Solyanka HCh. But yellow traces should remain

          So on TV showed fragments of ampoules in the building of the House of Trade Unions ...
          Our correspondent in my opinion broadcast this, now I do not remember exactly, but in my opinion this report was in RUSSIA ...
          And about the yellow traces, there in many rooms everything was burnt, I think they threw ampoules into the fire.
          Very often people don’t see much in and don’t remember much, I don’t know why, since I notice many things ...
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          1. 0
            15 2014 June
            Quote: GRANATE-19
            And about the yellow traces, there in many rooms everything was burnt, I think they threw ampoules into the fire.

            May 4 on TV was a report from the scene of the tragedy. Fragments of many ampoules were shown. Examination was not yet carried out at that time, but it was assumed that there was OM in the ampoules.
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      6. Mikhail Ishutin
        +4
        14 2014 June
        atlef The problem is completely different. It’s hard, it hurts, it’s fascism. You work receive a salary, there in your land about ... th. Do you like trolling? Your god will forgive you all. I am ashamed to think about what you ... are hearing. There are many questionable articles on this site, but this information is of a different order. If you have a god, then god is not one.
        1. -3
          14 2014 June
          Quote: Mikhail Ishutin
          atlef The problem is completely different. It’s hard, it hurts, it’s fascism. You work receive a salary, there in your land about ... th.

          Let it be fascism, people have died - only nonsense like this investigation is not necessary to write.
          Tomorrow they will write that everyone died from the poison of a rattlesnake - am I obliged to believe the same?

          Quote: Mikhail Ishutin
          I’m ashamed to think that you .... are hearing

          Are you scared to think that someone doubts the cause of death? Well, I do not believe that it was chlorine and phosphorus - probably something else - but not this.

          Quote: Mikhail Ishutin
          this site has a lot of doubtful articles, but this information is of a different order

          Which one? I have the same question, this article is doubtful - or rather the cause of death.

          Quote: Mikhail Ishutin
          If you have a god, then god is not one.

          Spm calmly - God is one.
          1. +1
            15 2014 June
            As you have already tortured, they are lip-nosed-curly, but very smart, but only for themselves, loved ones, the most offended, by their own tribesmen ...
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    9. +8
      14 2014 June
      Americans got caught with their juntens on the genocide, it remains to convey the truth to the rest of the world, let's media your work is waiting for you ...
    10. dFG
      +1
      14 2014 June
      well, at least someone is telling the truth and not hiding the Odessa Khatyn already thanks for this, I must say
    11. smoker
      +1
      14 2014 June
      A little bit on the topic of phosphorus and its use in combat conditions (not directly leaving this site).

      http://topwar.ru/32742-kak-i-kogda-ssha-primenyali-himicheskoe-oruzhie.html
      http://topwar.ru/33619-kak-utiliziruetsya-himicheskoe-oruzhie.html
    12. Vovanische
      +3
      14 2014 June
      All these parashenko-colomian-egg-laying think that they will avoid their Nuremberg. They are deeply mistaken, the end will come to them as soon as a real world mess begins. Going by leaps and bounds of GDP to the nickname: Great Uncle Pu, he considers himself free from any promises and I think a lot of our polite people will want to hang dill bunches for drying at the nearest lights, by the way, in Israel there are also a lot of polite people.
    13. +2
      14 2014 June
      For all these atrocities, for crimes against humanity, the perpetrators of these terrible crimes and their puppeteers must suffer a deserved punishment - the death penalty.
    14. +3
      14 2014 June
      how can a criminal investigate his own crime? No way, so there will be no investigation from the junta !!! hi
    15. +5
      14 2014 June
      May 2 in Odessa a month later: The slaughter was beneficial to several parties
      June 02, 2014 | 09:19

      Today is exactly one month since the tragedy in Odessa on May 2. There is no international investigation into the clashes in Odessa on May 2. An independent assessment of the tragedy is trying to give a "commission on May 2", created on the initiative of the local authorities.
      It consists of journalists and experts. In early June, commission journalists are going to publish the first preliminary results of their investigation.
      "We will have enough for a month of continuous viewing only of the video materials of that day. In 8 hours, hundreds of crimes have been committed, which must be dealt with," said Sergey Dibrov, a public figure from Odessa, who coordinates the work of the commission, to DW.
      The least controversy among the members of the commission on the question of which side became the instigator of the riots. Yuri Tkachev, a journalist representing the interests of pro-Russian forces in the commission, in a conversation with DW did not deny that "there is reason to consider the initiators of the riots" supporters of federalization, and the first person killed from a bullet wound in Odessa was a member of the Euromaidan column.
      At the same time, out of 6 people whose cause of death was recognized as bullet wounds, at least three were supporters of Anti-Maidan, Tkachev said, referring to official data from the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      In total, according to Sergei Dibrov, up to 10 people in the May 2 clashes used firearms.
      "We want to show what happened and when, scheduling events by minute," said Dibrov.
      The first clashes took place in the city center, between Grecheskaya and Deribasovskaya Streets, and then moved to the House of Trade Unions, located next to the main railway station.
      Why it is so important to restore the chronology of events, for example, one episode with the start of a fire in the House of Trade Unions, where the most people died, shows, says Dibrov.
      "The first fell out of the window, when there was still no smoke or fire. Nobody understood why. After 3 seconds, people ran there in panic, because part of the building was on fire, and almost immediately after the first 10 people fell out." , - he said.
      It is possible that the main cause of the fire was not at all the "Molotov cocktails" thrown at each other by the confrontation participants, but an electric generator located inside the building running on gasoline with an 18-liter tank and spare cans, noted Dibrov.
      At the same time, most of the versions about the use of toxic gases are untenable, according to members of the commission.
      They refer to the opinions of independent experts. For a final analysis, chemical expertise is needed, which is still not available.
      However, no one in the commission is in a hurry to exclude the version that toxic substances could be used in separate rooms of the House of Trade Unions.
      Because otherwise it is difficult to find an explanation, for example, the death of four people in the right wing of the building on the fifth floor.
      "There was no fire. Why did they die?" - another member of the May 2 commission, journalist Vera Zaporozhets, is perplexed.
      Members of the commission disagree on the extent to which the events of May 2 in Odessa were staged. But nobody considers spontaneous riots in Odessa.
      "Everyone understood that something would happen on May 2," Dibrov said.
      A warning signal was that shortly before the tragedy, the weekly contact between the representatives of the two opposing camps was interrupted.
      The problem with the investigation is that the May 2 tragedy had "many beneficiaries," Dibrov said.
      1. +1
        14 2014 June
        Shaw and the names of those who died in the house of aprons of Euromaidan residents e?
    16. old man 72
      +2
      14 2014 June
      No matter how fascist the Kiev junta is, it’s not going to pay! THE TRUTH you can’t hide as an awl in a bag, sooner or later, but SHE - THE TRUTH will still come out and become public.
      1. +5
        14 2014 June
        Quote: old man 72
        The TRUTH will still come out and become public.

        Well, where does such an optimistic statement come from? Based on what is interesting?
        Everything is exactly the opposite. Now we are FORCED to argue about whether there was white phosphorus, then some other particulars, and as a result they will "blur" the topic completely!
        I repeat! Phosphors are not important! It is important that there was a deliberate cynical massacre of citizens committed by the Ukrainian government!
    17. +2
      14 2014 June
      Amid tensions in Russian-Ukrainian relations, the tragedy in Odessa made it possible for participants in public discussions both in Russia and Ukraine to put forward conspiracy theories, including the most fantastic ones, and to blame anyone from the Russian FSB and ending with the Ukrainian involvement in the clashes in Odessa. NSDC, they say in the commission.
      And the journalist Vera Zaporozhets drew attention to the fact that the only real consequence of the tragedy of May 2, in her opinion, was a change of power in the region.
      A separate place in an independent investigation should be occupied with clarifying the role of law enforcement officers in Odessa. According to numerous amateur videos, it is easy to make sure that at least they did not do everything possible to prevent unrest and human casualties, but for the most part, condoned them.
      One of the official versions of the tragedy is "illegal activities of local authorities and law enforcement agencies in the Odessa region to discredit the current government."
      “According to my observations, the behavior of the police was aimed at contributing to the maximum number of victims on both sides,” Zaporozhets said.
      She wonders what role the plainclothes officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs played in the House of Trade Unions, whom she claimed to have personally seen coming out from there on the evening of May 2 at the height of the confrontation.
      The results of the official investigation should not be expected earlier than next spring, Sergei Dibrov believes. However, the final conclusions of the commission, according to him, can be expected no earlier than six months later.
      Recall that during the riots of May 2 in Odessa, 48 people died and 247 were injured.
      Clashes in the center of Odessa erupted in the late afternoon of May 2 between fans of FC Chornomorets and Metalist, whose clubs played in Odessa, and pro-Russian anti-Maidan supporters who came to prevent the ultras march "For Ukraine" from Kulikovo Pole. In the area of ​​Cathedral Square, explosions thundered, shots were heard, both sides threw stones at each other.
      Later, a list of the dead of 42 people, identified as of May 10, was published.
      http://podrobnosti.ua/criminal/2014/06/02/978677.html

      This is a journalist investigation. They represent all three forces (euromaidan, anti-maidan, and "moyahataskrayniki" as they like to say here)
      Investigation in Russia (Sevastopol) may be mistaken for "Russian propaganda"
      In addition, petitions were submitted to all European institutions in order to put pressure on the authorities.
      http://odessaregion.com/news.php?readmore=7641
      The world community requires the Ukrainian authorities to conduct an objective investigation of the events. In particular, the President of the European Council, Hermann Vann Rompuy, notes that a number of high-profile incidents have occurred in Ukraine on which Europeans have questions. Therefore, the EU requires an objective investigation of high-profile events, in particular the tragedy in Odessa on May 2
      http://odessa-daily.com.ua/news/tajna-krasnyh-povyazok-novoe-o-tragedii-2-maya-i

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      here so far about the red bandages, but people do not want to listen, as if red tape is the only culprit in the incident ...
      1. +1
        14 2014 June
        Quote: Cristall
        Amid tension

        Cristall, tell me please, are you friend or foe? We have already discussed you on the site recently, which you probably know! Now and in your post there is a lot of provocative.
        References to the "most honest journalist" Vera Zaporozhets cause only surprise! Isn't this the cute young lady who declared that Odessa's mother was against TS. and Russia, because freedom-loving Odessa does not want to live behind barbed wire ???!
        So is Cristall a friend, or an enemy ???
        1. +3
          15 2014 June
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          References to the "honest journalist" Vera Zaporozhets cause only surprise!

          since she and Dibrov are the only ones who conduct investigations at all (and they do not completely blame the anti-Maidan people, as some usually do), she is compelled to bring her.
          In addition, he specially wrote that there were representatives of both views on the commission. Until now, it is believed that Odessa is divided into 2 camps. I, of course, think that by three (just khataskrayniks. So they demand results from the new measure. Since the new governor is a protege of Kiev (Kolomoisky), only Maidan "heroes" who came and shouted in Ukrainian can demand from him ... Odessans would hardly have shouted Glory to the heroes and balakal all in a crowd on the move ...
          And about
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Cristall, please tell me are you friend or foe

          I can’t say that I am your friend personally. I like VO, I have been a reader for many years until I registered. And still, despite the changing attitude of Ukrainians and their affairs, I’m only sitting here.
          What can I say - in my brain the great country that does not exist has not died yet. And all my ideas were dedicated to make a part of that country-USSR better. And in my heart, the USSR always fought with Ukraine. It is likely that I began to hate Kiev and all memory after May 2, and still this day is a tragedy for me, a city that was previously peaceful. And so far I cannot forgive either Kiev or Ukraine of that crime.
          But on business on the site - I remain the one who was born and raised, a man with his own opinion, like everyone else. Yes, and one more thing - I do not support the general line of the VO party. Because VO is also involved in the information war, looking at changes in article headings - it’s easy to trace how.
    18. MSA
      MSA
      +3
      14 2014 June
      Here are the first clues, I think that the dropped phosphorus bombs are also delivered from overseas.
      1. GRANATE-19
        +2
        14 2014 June
        Quote: MSA
        Here are the first clues, I think that the dropped phosphorus bombs are also delivered from overseas.

        I’m not a reactive artilleryman, but I learned something during my 3 years of military service ...
        So I don't know if there are shells for GRAD with phosphorus warheads, but if there are (possibly foreign-made), then the Ukronazis used them, and if there are no such warheads in the standard design, then they cannot be brought from across the hill and mount on shells, it is technically impossible to do it in such a time frame ...
        Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
        1. GRANATE-19
          +2
          14 2014 June
          In service there are two incendiary shells: 9M22S and 9M28S. I did not find anything about phosphorus in the descriptions, but after reading about incendiary charges I roughly understood their structure:
          this is a pipe with cells in which the incendiary mixture is placed, a pipe, or rather several pipes located at the same course one after another, is most likely made of magnesium, but I don’t find anything about the mixture ...
          So this is a question for our military reagents, only not conscripts, otherwise they are notable carriers of misinformation, but to officers who graduated from the academy and know exactly the composition of the textbooks, and not just one woman said ...
          Also, shells were produced abroad under license and without, and at the same time, there were our own developments, so it’s impossible to say whether shells with white phosphorus were developed, this is a question for experts ...
          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          1. GRANATE-19
            0
            15 2014 June
            Here is the link to the site:
            http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
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    19. +4
      14 2014 June
      And in Kiev now the crowd is "picketing" the Russian Embassy in dill! So far only "picketing"! And later ...? Or maybe - "A crowd of unknown persons broke the windows, threw" shit "and rotten eggs on the territory of the Ukrop embassy in Moscow, demanding the extradition of the Kiev government and Potroshenko to court for" genocide of their own population "" Active picketing "at the embassy of dill with" active throwing of rotten eggs, despite "all the actions" of the Moscow police, it continues! "The dill ambassador declared" protest "! For which he" received an egg "!
      How they want to "drag" Russia into the conflict! I am simply amazed! Here are the pigs! How many more scenarios do you have, "robbed because of a puddle"? This is to you, Yankees, pigs, I appeal!
      And on the SE - hard fights! Lord Give the militias strength to RESIST !!!
      1. +1
        14 2014 June
        Russia is apparently so weak that God forbid to be drawn into the conflict.
        Lord Give the militias strength to RESIST !!!
    20. +3
      14 2014 June
      And where are the international organizations that last year shook washing powder in vitro?
    21. +2
      14 2014 June
      All this chemistry, it would not be bad to test on the Ukrainian authorities, and their relatives.
      1. +5
        14 2014 June
        Quote: redka
        All this chemistry, it would not be bad to test on the Ukrainian authorities, and their relatives.

        conduct an investigative experiment
    22. +5
      14 2014 June
      Prykarpattya to plow tanks ..! And chtby always there ours stood! 7 And let them just blather something .. This is not seen by the Galicians all Ukraine set cancer ... ..! And now they are punishing .. (from howitzers and hailstones from far away) .. shame!
    23. Salamander
      +3
      14 2014 June
      Hypocrites, damn it ... am Mourning in dill was announced for the "innocently killed" 49 thugs with IL-62 !!
      And the fact that the peaceful population was not measured in the South-East is measured, they are silent, as if there were no people living there. angry
      1. +1
        14 2014 June
        Quote: Salamandra
        Mourning in dill was announced for the "innocently killed" 49 thugs with IL-62 !!

        Do not confuse the IL-62 with the downed IL-76!
      2. 0
        14 2014 June
        Quote: Salamandra
        Mourning in dill was announced for the "innocently killed" 49 thugs with IL-62 !!
        Why not with the FW-200?
      3. +6
        14 2014 June
        Quote: Salamandra
        Mourning in dill was announced for the "innocently killed" 49 thugs with IL-62 !!

        but for those who died in Odessa the word sympathy was not mentioned
        1. +1
          15 2014 June
          Quote: Lukich
          but for those who died in Odessa the word sympathy was not mentioned

          Euromaidan carriers demonstratively for 40 days did not mention those 50 (officially) poor fellows whom they burned (the verb is incorrect there is a large cause of death) on Kulikovo.
          For Ukraine, 50 corpses in Odessa simply no. They were deleted from the list of events.
          News agencies only repeat "more than 40 people died during the riots ..." All ... that is, not a word that 50 were immediately killed in one building under the shouts of Russians burn or Glory to Ukraine .. like that.
          Only Odessa residents require an investigation. The governor otmazyvatsya, the police nods supposedly such a thing here ... The prosecutor's office is delaying. Even international pressure does not help.
          And his strength is clearly not enough. In addition, there is almost no authority.
          Hope for a new measure (by the way, one of the points of the program was) is rather weak (yes they all break), but there is still.
    24. +2
      14 2014 June
      The media must be actively involved in exposing the Americans and, specifically, Obama! In general, the mattress looks more and more like the fascists of the 21 century, they really want to bend everyone! Here it will be hard for them to be dragged into the military tribunal in the dock! Media more actively investigate crimes in Odessa!
    25. +2
      14 2014 June
      The American, Western trail is everywhere. You will not find a Russian trace in the daytime with fire, except for the empty talking shop, which is called "a subtle, wise, deeply thought out, having no alternative, multi-step political combination."
      What else is needed for specific actions? Burn napalm entire Southeast?
      If "we don't abandon our own", then who are ours?
    26. +9
      14 2014 June
      CE Secretary General is shocked by a plane shot down by terrorists and is ready to reconsider the position of neutrality, - Deutsche Welle !!!!!
      .And when in Odessa 49 civilians were burned, and when in Lugansk from an airplane, NURSs were beaten up by civilians, and when in Slavyansk the district is burned with phosphorus munitions, then for some reason it is not shocked !!!
      And then the fighters (MILITARY) who flew to kill were destroyed. And they knew that they would be answered. And he is shocked !! I'm in touch.
    27. +5
      14 2014 June
      Ukrofascists have surrounded the Russian Embassy in Kiev with car tires. But this is not just another provocation, and at the government level. These junta demarches must be answered immediately and in full measure! These cattle will never understand otherwise.
      1. +3
        14 2014 June
        Quote: Tol100v
        Ukrofashists overlaid the Russian Embassy in Kiev with car tires

        ABOUT! So the remaining Maydanians come in handy !!! Instead of power structures, let them embrace the Russian embassy! And then you see, they’ve taken the fashion, then they’ll show up under the windows of the presidential administration, then the Main Directorate of Border Guards will besiege ... and now there is where to send them !!! am
    28. raf
      +2
      14 2014 June
      Evil, especially this, should not go unpunished !!! Death of the Kiev junta and their patrons !!!
    29. 0
      14 2014 June
      Now I hope everyone is transplanted am
    30. +1
      14 2014 June
      Quote: pvv113
      The Ukrainian authorities are doing everything so that the guilty do not suffer deserved punishment

      Well, the Ukrainian authorities cannot punish themselves

      All these authorities are imprisoned !!!
    31. +1
      14 2014 June
      Some kind of unhealthy banderlog craving for chemistry and pyrotechnics.
    32. 0
      14 2014 June
      I wonder when finally the United States will be responsible for all its crimes. Obscurantists ...
    33. 0
      14 2014 June
      When will we all understand: No one needs us but ourselves! Therefore, it remains only to draw conclusions!
    34. +6
      14 2014 June
      Kiev calls on the Russian authorities to take measures in connection with subversive activities against Ukraine in Russian social networks, Interfax Ukraine reports.

      “Recently, in Russian social networks such as VKontakte, Livejournal, there has been an increase in the activity of organizations, groups and individual representatives of neighboring states aimed at conducting subversive activities against Ukraine,” the director of the Foreign Ministry’s information policy department said at a briefing, Yevgeny Perebynis.

      According to him, Russian nationalist organizations such as "Russian National Unity", "Eurasian Youth Union" in social networks announced the formation of volunteer groups with the aim of "further their participation in terrorist acts in Ukraine."

      “Russian pro-fascist organizations are raising funds to support the activities of subversive anti-Ukrainian actions, groups are being formed in social networks and forums to which anti-Ukrainian and openly xenophobic information applies. We urge the Russian authorities to take measures to stop these illegal actions aimed at destabilizing the situation in Ukraine, ”the representative of the Foreign Ministry said.
      http://ruposters.ru/archives/6018
    35. Serg7281
      +1
      14 2014 June
      Mattresses will never allow an objective investigation, what would the whole world pull out their dirty laundry ??? It’s easier for them to unleash a war game away from their territory than to repent, they don’t know how and have no idea about it
    36. +2
      14 2014 June
      How, after all, you can respect this choice of Ukrainians, as Putin said, what respect for these freaks can be.
    37. +2
      14 2014 June
      Yeah, now, if a similar mess happened two or three hundred years ago, Russia would have gathered and galloped across Europe again ... "Without showing off, without presenting these horses ..."))) And now, what are YOU: politics -from...
    38. +2
      15 2014 June
      Quote: Lukich
      Kiev calls on the Russian authorities to take measures in connection with subversive activities against Ukraine in Russian social networks, Interfax Ukraine reports.

      oh ... the United States is asking for Internet control in the Ukrainian sector so that anti-Ukrainian activities are not conducted, it is required from the Russian Federation to close the Contact pages and probably more ..
      It seems naive .. but how clever. It seems you will refuse on a full basis there is freedom of information .. An extra trump card.
      But you can’t refuse, the same thing.
      I cannot but note interesting moves.
      It is likely that the Internet in Ukraine will be like in China. Runet should be carefully monitored. At the same time, the "Russian part" in Ukraine will be cleaned.
      It should be noted that mobile communications and the Internet are the last bastions of more reliable information than telly. Control over it will give a complete victory in the media space (that is, every head)
      So what Kiev is doing right. Telecoms for a long time, the Internet took. Well, mobile communications with relatives are likely to also be monitored ...
      Damn ... where did such literacy come from ... I ask myself rhetorically ....
      And about May 2 ... It’s only Odessa’s pain ... Ukraine was happy on May 2 ... maybe there will be some kind of holiday - although there is a proposal to make a monument with the name Victims of the regime ... but most likely I will rest after this in the SBU next to the Davidchenko brothers ..
      The country is losing dozens every day ... Kiev has completed the task of saving key cities in the south. No one bothered him.
    39. +2
      15 2014 June
      Everything goes to the Newrnberg process in Dill

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