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2011's state defense order will break again




On Wednesday, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, during the "government hour" in the State Duma, spoke about the situation with the implementation of the state defense order. Following the conversation, which took place without the presence of the press, the deputies were very disappointed. As it was established, the defense order after last year again, and this year, can be broken.

Deputies of the State Duma, who left the hall with a depressed look, said that Serdyukov acknowledged that the state defense order for this year is actually currently seriously lagging behind the planned figures. It was established that the conversation was not only about 2010 year, when for the failure of the defense order, military officials received a tough thrashing from the president. As one of the deputies noted, the Minister of Defense said that in 2011, only 13% of contracts for the entire volume of the defense order that was planned was executed. For Russia, this is a complete breakdown.

Not only representatives of the Duma opposition, who, in the face of the Russian Communist Party, again offered Serdyukov to resign, admit all the “deplorable” situation with the implementation of the defense order. As Igor Barinov, deputy chairman of the defense committee of the State Duma, member of the United Russia party, explained, the reason for non-compliance with the state defense order mainly lies in the vague pricing system and the complete absence of competition among enterprises. The deputy also noted that enterprises engaged in the production of military equipment receive money from the state budget, while prices are taken from the ceiling, not remembering that a particular weapon in Russia is produced by only one or a couple of enterprises.

Anatoly Lokot, State Duma deputy from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, argues that the Minister of Defense also hurried to shift the blame for the failure of the defense order to the enterprises of the military-industrial complex. The deputy also said that Serdyukov accused enterprises of the inability to produce modern types of weapons and they can not cope with the tasks of the Ministry of Defense. But the communist is nevertheless sure that the reason for what is happening lies mainly in the complete lack of professionalism of the leadership of the Defense Ministry itself, as well as in the “inconsistency of actions” between the Military Industrial Commission headed by Sergey Ivanov and the Ministry of Defense. Note that Mr. Ivanov himself had previously argued that the placement of the state defense order basically had to be completed before the end of May 2011.

From the words of members of parliament, it was also possible to learn that not everything is so smooth with the system of state procurement of modern types of weapons. According to Lokt, Serdyukov said that there are problems with C-400 and Bulava. Barinov also added that the Ministry of Defense began purchasing some newest sniper rifles, as well as Israeli drones. The deputy also noted that the UAVs are very expensive, even if they surpass Russian specimens in some parameters, but are able to work only in summer.

Also in his speech, Anatoly Serdyukov said that the Ministry’s plans do not include the purchase of German tanks "Leopard". Similarly, the purchase of Russian-made tanks. The minister explains the reason for the refusal by the fact that these combat vehicles do not meet the “requirements”.

Also, the Minister of Defense, answering journalists' questions, calmly stated that the Russian tankers would fight on what the Defense Ministry has available.

Still, modern military equipment will hardly be needed by the army, which cannot give a good education to its soldiers. Perhaps, on this basis, the Ministry of Defense did not object to granting deferrals from military service to those school leavers who were 18 years old at the beginning of the spring recruitment. On Wednesday, the deputies adopted the corresponding amendments to the law “On Military Duty and Military Service” in the first reading, and the 2-e and 3-e reading is expected to be held by the end of this week.

During the meeting, Viktor Zavarzin, head of the defense committee of the State Duma of Russia, explained that the postponement from the army would be valid until the beginning of the autumn draft, which begins in Russia every year on October 1. Zavarzin also noted that this would enable school graduates to exercise their legitimate right to continue their studies, for example, to enter a higher education institution. According to Zavarzin, the new law will postpone the call for more than 50 thousands of graduates. Meanwhile, according to the Ministry of Education and Science, during the 2012-2019 period, the number of such “benefit recipients” will be about 700 thousand people annually due to the fact that, starting from 93, many children began to attend school with Seven, not six years old.

Also in September, the State Duma is planning to postpone the call for graduate students, as well as for graduates of technical schools, vocational schools and colleges. The head of the State Duma Committee on Education, Grigory Balykhin, said that there is still a postponement from military service for the period of study. He also explained that in the current law there is some ambiguity when it speaks of graduate students who are studying at universities that have state accreditation in some specialties and areas of training. But in this case it is said about the accreditation of the university as a whole, without touching upon the accreditation of graduate school. Balykhin also added that the problem with the conscription to the Russian army was that post-graduate students were most directly inflated by the draft board, which dared to interpret the law at its discretion.
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  1. Klibanophoros 18 June 2011 11: 48 New
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    "In this country, sometimes you need to shoot admiral a dozen generals and ministers to inspire others "...
    1. Owl
      Owl 19 June 2011 12: 27 New
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      It is better to destroy everyone who is in power today. complete traitors ...
  2. rumpeljschtizhe
    rumpeljschtizhe 18 June 2011 12: 04 New
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    Type surprised
  3. viktor_ui 18 June 2011 12: 25 New
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    What Ivanov, what Serdyukov ... two assholes, in which everything rolled, rolls and will roll toward sunset. This is one chain and they are its links. I don’t even remember where and when under Ivanov there was an upsurge ... I can’t say anything about the current one.
  4. figwam 18 June 2011 12: 45 New
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    Even the cartridges in the photo are not domestic.

    The situation is not very telling.
    1. viktor_ui 19 June 2011 12: 07 New
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      Why are imported cartridges not in the package? Again, counterfeit brought
  5. datur 18 June 2011 12: 47 New
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    Anatoly Serdyukov said that the Ministry’s plans do not include the purchase of German Leopard tanks. Similarly, the purchase of Russian-made tanks. The minister explains the reason for the refusal by the fact that these combat vehicles do not meet the “requirements”.

    Also, the Minister of Defense, answering journalists' questions, calmly stated that Russian tankers would fight on what the Ministry of Defense had. ----- won’t be offended that they didn’t let the Germans buy and took revenge on the army and the country. the main thing is calmly - the humanity is a block of shit.
    1. viktor_ui 19 June 2011 19: 05 New
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      and Perdyukov with his belly fit into the tank? Hotz look at this show.
  6. rumpeljschtizhe
    rumpeljschtizhe 18 June 2011 13: 00 New
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    in principle, Serdyukov is right about tanks
    We have a lot of T-90s and other tanks, and they are no worse than the Chinese and closest neighbors.
    and here again the defense order breaks down .... so I would say a system error
  7. mitrich
    mitrich 18 June 2011 18: 48 New
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    Sadly, colleagues, the point here is not only corruption, kickbacks and cuts, but the lack of basic capabilities to carry out the tasks declared by the state. Whoever built the cottage knows that building walls and roofing is not the main thing, the main thing is a solid foundation. And it was thoroughly “washed away” in our military-industrial complex during the time of labor building.
    I read in the newspaper a long list of punished persons for disrupting the 2010 State Defense Order. And then what? Do you think if we start shooting and planting, will the situation change? Hell no.
    Again, at one of the lettered aircraft factories, in Novosibirsk or Irkutsk, I will not lie, I do not remember, in Soviet times 23 thousand engineers and workers worked, and now 4 thousand. How, then, will these 4 fulfill on time an order to supply hundreds of combat aircraft to the troops? Answer: they will not fulfill it on time. If the Uralvagonzavod with the Kurgan people fulfill their part of the task, then I won’t know how the aircraft manufacturers will do it.
    I see the way out so far only in import substitution, if this does not apply to the strategic nuclear forces and the air force. I do not like it either. However, we will definitely not fulfill the State Defense Order until 2020 if we do not use this opportunity, especially with regard to the Navy. If we order ships in the USA, Great Britain and France, then I see nothing bad at this stage in the development of Russia. The ship is still not a pie, the construction of time requires. And then we will chat until we have to fight with our bare hands.
    1. APASUS 18 June 2011 19: 07 New
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      They discussed the Sea plant from Feodosia. How this plant can give 6 ships for China if it stood for almost five years without any personnel at all.
      That's how it is in our defense industry! First, the plants are standing, and the orders that have appeared are “death like” for them. There are no personnel, personnel were gone, equipment was behind, and there was simply no one to teach!
    2. viktor_ui 19 June 2011 12: 04 New
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      mitrich - the state defense order has not been fulfilled for already a very long time, then I suspect that the problem is not so much in the lack of personnel and an outdated production base, but in the system of permanent disruption of this state order created by artificially. There are no personnel - I do not agree, specialists can always be found, written out, outbid ... stealing (exaggerating), gathering knowledgeable people for work - DOESN'T BE A SEVERE PROBLEM. It would be a desire. Yes, and with a fleet of highly sophisticated equipment, the echo is not quite a complete ass ..., are they loaded up to solve the problems of their army - a BIG QUESTION.
      I will repeat once again, our defense industry is FULLY ORIENTED TO WORK FOR THE FOREST, for there is a full bucks on the exhaust, and here it will be necessary to give the manufactured products for the rupe, and do these managers need this rupe from the weapon? NO, because this is not their pocket loot. Resettlement and the defense order will not be fulfilled under existing conditions (until the head is taken down at the state level for specific deeds by specific high-ranking executors, and they are not transferred to another place of work, where they will continue to overwhelm things. You can put things in order even chichas, there are enough brains Yes, even veterans-specialists didn’t die. Yes, you yourself know all this.
    3. Gur
      Gur 20 June 2011 15: 37 New
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      Until the buy-sell era ends in the country, there will be no opportunities .. nor will it appear if there is no direct interest of the state with the ensuing .. control, attraction and maturation. We live for now at random ... maybe Amers will not trample .. maybe China will not attack .. And when it presses ... schoolchildren again to the machines .. women for assembly .. if they only give it this time.
  8. Owl
    Owl 19 June 2011 12: 25 New
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    the defense order is not carried out regularly, the defense order is not correct, the warehouses are on fire, the Army is destroyed, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is destroyed, the word "Soviet" is now considered abusive by the leaders, an example of the transformation of the State and the State into a third-rate country ... Glory to the TRADITORS OF THE HOMELAND!
  9. Smilodon 19 June 2011 15: 21 New
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    http://finam.fm/news/95422/

    sorry, but how to explain this? not the topic, but still
    1. viktor_ui 19 June 2011 15: 41 New
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      and this is a complete ass.
  10. mitrich
    mitrich 19 June 2011 15: 51 New
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    SMILODON,
    "duck" and nonsense. The invention of journalists, avid for a sensation. Do not believe Smilodon. There is an established procedure for the delivery and storage of documents, for the violation of which is a special department and a military tribunal. I don’t even want to explain anything. "Duck"!
    In each state. The department has a regulation that defines the list of documents to be stored and deposited in the archive, or destroyed. They burned some kind of documentation, and the journalists for the "red words" attributed that it was the papers of Ivan the Terrible.
  11. mitrich
    mitrich 19 June 2011 16: 21 New
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    VIKTOR_UI,
    to collect, take out and bring, attract, persuade to return, train, finally - this is all TIME, and considerable. After all, a skilled worker on prom. the enterprise is not the same thing as a seasonal migrant worker in a field where there is no need for brains, sit and weed a radish, agree?
    That’s why the problems are from year to year. But not everything is as bad as it seems at first glance. In the city of Yekaterinburg, where I live, and this is a very defense city, and Tagil is next to the well-known UVZ, I know many military industrialists, and they are in my family, which is a sin to hide. Young people are now not a wide river, but quite a lot of them all the same went to the factories. Skilled specialists without a higher one can already earn from 100 rubles (100000 for an old-man).
    By the way, you did not write how you feel about import substitution, it would be interesting to read.
    1. viktor_ui 19 June 2011 18: 58 New
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      mitrich - about "this is all TIME, and considerable" which is necessary to restore production cycles at the personnel level - let me disagree with you, because I proceed from my own experience and of course, I do not mean migrant workers, but full-fledged engineers (to whom I had the honor to belong at one time). Agree that the same work can be done a couple of days, but you can meet it in 2-4 hours, but you will be after such as squeezed lemon. Take a word, but I can squeeze the time and create the necessary conditions for the speediest resolution of emerging issues. At one time, I saw enough how nimble FINA work (it is the very end of the 80s).
      Regarding imports - I agree with you that at this stage, sales are also needed in some areas at the current need for these purchases: I am only with both hands, if Zeiss optics will be on our machines and the light infantry - well, they can do it ... military exchange at the level of technology and ready-made systems for us is UNFITLEDLY profitable, provided that this purchased will be immediately used in the army and at the training grounds.
      HERE ONLY IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE TRADERS FROM MO, after all, will guess this thing.
      But these purchases of the price tail are clearly shortened from the defense industry to the oligarchs. bully
      1. APASUS 19 June 2011 23: 45 New
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        viktor_ui
        I had a couple of questions, according to your statement.
        (((((((I had seen enough of my time how smart FINES work))))))))) And what would it mean? Having worked with the Finns for several years, I can’t say that they work poorly. From what they gave us in the 80s, so the caliper was the most difficult tool. But the Finns had half the instruments - I didn’t know the name, I could not determine the purpose of their use. I do not want to say that we do not have smart heads, but the level technology was an order of magnitude higher!
        LOMO was safely ruined in St. Petersburg! The optics there were made no worse than the Zeissovskaya and the defense was in short supply and space was serviced. Can it make sense to restore and not buy binoculars from the French? But what we didn’t produce in Soviet times was electronics, here I’m afraid we can’t do without help. Although with one statement I also agree to all 100 (((((WHAT TRADERS FROM MO will guess this thing.))))))
        1. viktor_ui 20 June 2011 16: 30 New
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          APASUS - “nimble FINES” are high-class specialists from the RAUTE company, who mounted semi-automatic plants in our timber industry complex. In the winter of 89, I had at my disposal 2 portable types of computers: 1 - it was a type of Apple Macintosh platform with a size of 20X25X4 (I don’t remember the model number), to which a 14-inch monique tubular was separately attached to the bag.
          2 - the most favorite laptop top (chichas no-beech) was amazing for that time TOSIBA with a monochrome LCD display (without lamp backlight - you won’t work in the dark), Intel-8086 percent, 3-inch drive, DOS and Norton shell for work - the size of this miracle of hostile technology was 23X27X2.5 (approximately). And in '91, I saw a laptop brought from Canada the size of an average suitcase with 17 inches. a luminous display (screen pixels glowed in orange and it was possible to work in the dark) - the thickness of the screen itself was 4-5 cm. There was a built-in programmer and it loaded either from the RAM or already had a built-in hard drive at that time - unfortunately I didn’t do it I managed to reset and accuracy in the filling only by external signs.
          At that time they already used the non-contact scanning equipment to the full, just like they had flat A-4 scanners .... well, etc.
          The company had its own "high level" programming language for managing the entire techno chain of this "factory" including excellent display in graphics (RGB) of everything that happens on the lines in real time. Laser and infrared sensors were in full use, and even surveillance cameras would even look pretty awkward. Enumeration of "miracles" for that time can be done for a long time and tediously, but thanks to this I can make comparisons for different time slices. This was my working start after the tower, with subsequent service in the army (damn, I almost scratched an aftiography wink).
          They should take the optics from the Germans, if the sonderkomads of effective managers have ditched theirs — they certainly won’t steal the bullshit by virtue of their nature, and other missing bells and whistles, so that they do not lose their skills in use completely.
          mitrich is 100% right
  12. Nilych
    Nilych 19 June 2011 16: 30 New
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    Instead of placing defense orders at the defense enterprises of the defense industry, the people responsible for this are doing completely different things. They are busy trying to destroy enterprises through corporatization. Apparently they have a great material benefit in this. Yes. and the enterprises themselves do not have much interest in undertaking a defense order. Money doesn’t reach the enterprise so much and there are decent problems. It’s both design and engineering and technological and working personnel. For all the previous years, they successfully destroyed and now we finish off the rests instead of starting the revival of the defense industry with them and the whole country. Belief in the best decreases when you see how the Moscow commissions come and solve mercenary issues
  13. Smilodon 19 June 2011 22: 55 New
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    Mitrich, I hope, I really hope so. I just thought so too at first, but then, remembering who is at the head of the Ministry of Defense, a little scared
  14. mishan
    mishan 20 June 2011 20: 59 New
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    All blame the manufacturer, they say prices are too high. It goes without saying that the first shells for the Grad were at that time worth the new Volga until they were put into production by the thousands. At the plants, the production lines are whole, in order to hand over 4 aircraft per year. Well this is funny, where are the serial purchases?
  15. Margie
    Margie 17 July 2011 04: 05 New
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    That's a mold-brkeear. Great thinking!
  16. Gonoriy 17 November 2012 15: 47 New
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    Guys, rest assured, they will disrupt the defense order 2012/13/14 / itd.