What happened in Mariupol?

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What happened in Mariupol causes a strange feeling. Before you put the question this way, I looked through more than one report of different media and visited about a dozen sites on the territory of Ukraine and the DPR. Including the sites of Mariupol.

Here is an interview with a representative of the press center of the Donetsk People's Republic Pavel Purishev.

- Pavel, Mariupol fell, it turns out, or is there only a few buildings occupied there?

- Fighters of the National Guard today organized a large-scale punitive operation ... As such, the headquarters on the Greek and Italian streets no longer exist - it was captured by the fighters of the National Guard.

- That is, the Ukrainian military entered Mariupol and are trying to gain a foothold there?

- Yes. They staged a real massacre in the city. They struck with guns ... with mortars, with grenade launchers. The battle went on for a very long time, a lot of wounded, there are those killed by the Donetsk People's Republic. I don't know the National Guard data, I know that about 12 guys died in our country.

- What will be the further development of events? We saw several times during the confrontation of the southeast with the government, when the army tried to storm the city, but rolled back ...

- If before the police came or our, for example, border guards, that is, from the city of Mariupol, now punitive detachments have arrived. They are not formed in Mariupol, they are not our military, they are military from western Ukraine. That is, Ukrainian speech is heard everywhere, and even English, American speech. How would people be very afraid of this. They already shoot to kill and they no longer care who you are. For them, you are a separatist and a terrorist and they will shoot, even if there is a grandmother, even a young guy, they don’t care, even if he will be without weapons.

- Well, the militia are doomed then?

- No, not doomed. We hope for help, we hope for a solution to this situation, but now at the moment I see this punitive operation ... I don’t know what will happen next ... There is a government of the Donetsk People’s Republic and what actions it will take, I don’t know yet. I do not have this information. (http://mariupol-life.com.ua)

But the information from the site http://www.0629.com.ua, also Mariupol.

09:3613.06.2014
Mariupol City Council, the mayor, deputies and deputies of the Mariupol City Council, heads of enterprises and public organizations appealed to residents to remain calm and not leave the house - an active phase of the anti-terrorist operation aimed at freeing Mariupol from armed militants began in the city.

"Today, with the 04-30 h in the central part of the city (Greek street and adjacent streets), the active phase of the antiterrorist operation has begun. Currently, traffic in the center of Mariupol is limited.

The request to all Mariupol residents to keep calm, not to visit the specified territory, and to the citizens living near the operation, not to leave the house and to keep calm. "



09:3213.06.2014
Early this morning, the entire personnel of the Mariupol militia was raised in alarm.

About this 0629 reported in the Mariupol GU Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Donetsk region.

Militiamen took part in special operation together with internal troops of Ukraine. They cordoned off the city center and do not let anyone into the zone of active operations. How the residents go there, they don’t know in the city government.

According to information on 09.30, until now the perimeter of the anti-terrorist operation was cordoned off by police. The protection of order in the zone of special operations will be provided until further notice.

15: 49 13.06.2014
The management of enterprises entered the position of people living in the city center, and decided not to punish those who did not go to work in connection with the anti-terrorist operation.

As reported by 0629 in the Department of Public Relations and Municipal Development in Mariupol Metinvest Group, the employees of the Azovstal plant and them. Ilyich, who live in the area of ​​the ATO and, due to objective circumstances, could not arrive at workplaces, this will not be counted as absenteeism, ”the report says.

The enterprises work in a regular mode.



17:4013.06.2014
Now on Grecheskaya Street, where the DPR headquarters used to be located, work is underway to clear the area from the barricades. Several cranes are working at once.

As it became known, the equipment of “Metinvest” and employees of Azovstal and them are working at the site. Ilyich. Also locals joined in the analysis of the barricades.

Also from the street they take the BRDM that was burning today, which has been here practically since the first days of the formation of the DPR headquarters.

Here is a chronicle.



What causes bewilderment: YES ALL. There are a lot of questions.

1. How did the National Guard enter cheerfully into the city and take up the conduct of the ATO?
It turns out that there were no checkpoints, no observations, no alerts, nothing.
2. Why did the militia of Mariupol, raised in alarm, take up the cordon of the center?
It turns out that the militia of the NPT itself, the police themselves, right? Who then gave the police command? City Hall? Then which side is she on?
3. What forces did the DPR have in Mariupol, if during 5 hours the city was completely taken under control by the forces of two battalions?

Strange war. “Enterprises work in a normal mode”, transport goes (it was reported that some routes in the area of ​​the ATO are temporarily not working), residents who did not go to work because of the ATO “will not be punished”.

Was there ever a DNI in Mariupol? Or Greek and Italian streets - that's all that controlled the NPT?


The half-million city that seems to have voted for the NPT, which seems to be part of the NPT, turns out to be not in the NPT?

And where? With whom? For whom?

Unclear.

It seems that the presence of the DPR militia in the city just put up. Do not interfere - and right. Ukroarmiya came, knocked out of the city - also nothing. Calmly remove everything and continue to live in peace.

But “Military Review”:

FREGATENKAPITAN SU Today, 15: 17
Guys! Mariupol surrendered .... local militiamen except for a couple of dozen fled home ..... A woman writes me from there, ..... Everywhere Ukrainian flags ............. From our information really no! From Avakov and Lyashko laudatory speeches! Poroshenko transfers the Administration of Donetsk to Mariupol .................... We rent the Southeast slowly ?????

Associate SU Today, 15: 39 ↑
What kind of alarmism? This is a war. On it are retreats and offensive. they only captured the militia headquarters. The militia retreated.

FREGATENKAPITAN SU Today, 17: 16
Only here it is ugly like that ..... Inscriptions on asphalt appeared - Azov-Our Glory! (in the sense of Lyashkovsky murderers) ...... Where are those almost 100% voted in the referendum ???? Steel boiled? In the mines? Earn money that is paid by * to * rops ???

Strange things are going on in the DNI. Unclear. Too many questions and too few clever answers.

There is a feeling that the gentlemen of the leaders of the south-east (Tsarev, Rogov, Pushilin and others), saying that the whole Donbass "rose against the Kiev junta" to put it mildly ... expressed wishful thinking. I don’t know for what purpose.

I observe only that while they ride on business trips to Russia, ukroarmiya captures airports and cities. And does not give back. Capture and kill DPR officials. Arrange terrorist attacks.

Maybe we should follow the example of Igor Strelkov, who has no time to play political toys? But whom the entire Ukrainian army cannot knock out from Slavyansk?

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  1. +96
    14 June 2014 07: 55
    I took a demonstration lesson for the townsfolk who stuck to the sofas, who there, in Mariupol, completely disguised themselves. About 40 people - this is the entire militia garrison of Mariupol! The Nazis just flew in, fired, killing 3 militias (yesterday's infa from the militia), grabbed all the men who came to hand (for show) and shooed off because it was risky to stay in the city for the night. The cops did not get involved in a fight. No one! Now there is an intensive explanatory work on the topic "Stop warming your asses, rams! To arms!" Will it get there? ...
    1. +62
      14 June 2014 08: 48
      Where are the "all-propals", where have they gone? "Theirs" theme !. Putin! Come! Protect! In the meantime, we will hide on the balconies with our phones. Mariupol is a city of shame! Sorry for the militias ...
      1. -3
        14 June 2014 13: 16
        no .. what do you .. don’t need to help, it’s Russians, they were the same as they were in the Balkans ... they didn’t help them, but with those that are even closer so much more ... I have the feeling that they will bomb Rosov, but you don’t care - it’s far away ...
        1. +25
          14 June 2014 14: 21
          Sorry, but to whom to help? It’s easier for us to take out all the Strelkovites, real husbands and people, and equip them in Russia. And let the rest be cooked (fried) on their sofas! It is a pity there are no statistics how many combat-ready men and guys have already become refugees ...
          1. +11
            14 June 2014 14: 34
            Quote: Thompson
            Sorry, but to whom to help? It’s easier for us to take out all the Strelkovites, real husbands and people, and equip them in Russia

            I totally agree with you!
            Quote: Makarov
            . I get the feeling that they will bomb Rosov, and you don’t care - it’s far away ...

            This is your feeling, do not impose it on others. If they sweep our cities, then their state will go down in history as the mistake of our ancestors.
            Yours!
            1. +1
              16 June 2014 14: 42
              Quote: edeligor
              This is your feeling, do not impose it on others. If they sweep our cities, then their state will go down in history as the mistake of our ancestors.


              Already falls into border villages, they say "sho accidentally." By mistake, armored personnel carriers pass into the territory of the Russian Federation and the crews still manage to mine them when they leave. So for YOURS it is necessary that the Ukrainians reach Voronezh? So after all, they will otmazhitsya, they will say that they confused with Slavyansk! hi
          2. +2
            15 June 2014 00: 41
            The question is not today.
            The question is tomorrow and the day after tomorrow - in historical terms.
            America tightly let its claws into Ukraine. And the battle is not for the street or the city, but for the future of this whole moronic country.
          3. +2
            15 June 2014 01: 44
            Quote: Thompson
            Sorry, but to whom to help? It’s easier for us to take out all the Strelkovites, real husbands and people, and equip them in Russia. And let the rest be cooked (fried) on their sofas! It is a pity there are no statistics how many combat-ready men and guys have already become refugees ...


            What is this sabotage ?? What else to withdraw? There you can "export" to the Far East. This is the native land, the Motherland, we must fight for it. The exporter, too, was found for me.
        2. +4
          14 June 2014 16: 50
          Quote: Makarov
          no .. what are you .. don’t need to help, it's Russian


          It seems that the Ukrainian will not get rid of nationalism when, and accordingly will look for the guilty party (mainly the Russians and Russia will be guilty) and they will try to solve their problems with the wrong hands or at the expense of someone else.

          Independence is like a gigantic step in turning Ukraine into something nasty, dirty *****. Probably some people on the outskirts of the Ukrainian language has become associated with fascism and death.
        3. 0
          14 June 2014 19: 39
          Once again, I remind you that your nickname is spelled Marakov. You try to scrub everything with your guan.
        4. +2
          15 June 2014 10: 58

          The Russians will not come because they came here 400 years ago. Or are you not RUSSIAN?
        5. duke
          0
          15 June 2014 14: 21
          Makarov, it is possible and necessary to help those who help themselves, even the Lord God does not do the work for people, because people themselves must stand up and do it, protect their land, their people and themselves at last, then He and people will certainly help. What did Bogdan Khmelnitsky, Ivan Bogun expect, that someone would come and do for them? If you like Lyashko, Kolomoisky, sectarians Yaytsenyuk and Turchinov and so on. If you’re a bastard with red and black flags, then bear it until they take up you too. I’m far from thinking of condemning, rather I sympathize and regret, but I need to wake up, remember that you are Russian people with a good head, arms and legs, and not mythical, fucking Ukrainians who have changed the genetic code, remember that this is your Russian land, here your women and children, temples, graves of their ancestors and defend their defenses as much as possible, uniting and turning for help to God and your brothers, then slowly the business will go, the Jews of the West will have to brush and tick the bastards with grease. Sorry if I offended, but it is.
        6. +4
          15 June 2014 18: 05
          Makarov --- 500000 inhabitants !!! how many men? and only 100 militias !!!! where are you? are you waiting for PUTIN and our ARMY? YOU ARE WHERE I ask again? Skip the huts with bottles of vodka and shatami fat, and wait for when the savior comes? But who are the saviors for you? as I understand it, those who win !!!!!
      2. +10
        14 June 2014 13: 42
        Quote: mejik
        Where are the "all-propals", where have they gone? "Theirs" theme !. Putin! Come! Protect! In the meantime, we will hide on the balconies with our phones. Mariupol is a city of shame! Sorry for the militias ...

        it looks like a "partisan war" has begun in Mariupol ...

        http://www.0629.com.ua/news/555391
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    3. +18
      14 June 2014 09: 58
      I would very much like to get it) but the question arises - Strelkov and other leaders of the DPR say that there are a lot of militias and people who want to join !!! lacking weapons and ammunition. They have nothing to equip people with stupid things! Maybe it’s time for Russia to increase aid volumes?
      1. +14
        14 June 2014 10: 31
        Weapons in the southeast, as they say, "head over heels" only do not want to take it, because they can kill. Better to let others fight for them, and they, like cockroaches in Geyrope, scatter in search of work leaving their land !!!!!
      2. +4
        14 June 2014 10: 31
        Weapons in the southeast, as they say, "head over heels" only do not want to take it, because they can kill. Better to let others fight for them, and they, like cockroaches in Geyrope, scatter in search of work leaving their land !!!!!
    4. +2
      14 June 2014 10: 00
      killing 3 militias (infa from the militia yesterday)


      ria.ru wrote about one dead
      1. +25
        14 June 2014 10: 30
        The cops are on their own, the militias are on their own, the people generally ... th! These are the things in Mariupol!
        Mariupolites clearly climb into the fray, do not burn with desire! Why then these votes for the DPR?
        Interestingly, conclusions from this will be at least some kind of made ???
        1. +22
          14 June 2014 10: 49
          Quote: Arberes
          Why then these votes for the DPR?
          Interestingly, conclusions from this will be at least some kind of made ???

          They hoped that it would be like in the Crimea ... But in Crimea it was somewhat different. Ours were already there by agreement. The parliament and administration have practically remained the same. The militia was very active, although also not very numerous. The prerequisites were there. And then, let's go, "pogolosuvali", and then what? Who will defend wishes? Ryazansky Vasya Pupkin? Did you ask him? And what about the huts?
          There is a saying: Help the horse that pulls. I personally do not see pulling. Yes, I see, harnessed! So what is next?
          1. +27
            14 June 2014 11: 04
            Why introduce the Russian army, who is there to save? Local apparently does not matter who will be in power.
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            4. GRANATE-19
              +5
              14 June 2014 18: 46
              Quote: Hiking
              Why introduce the Russian army, who is there to save? Local apparently does not matter who will be in power.

              Everything there is like in the movie "Wedding in Malinovka", then some will come, then others, only the local hats change and that's it ...
          2. +2
            15 June 2014 18: 18
            where they harnessed, there they help !!!! and those whose hut I hide --- help make sense? After all, they can betray, and lightly !!!
      2. 0
        14 June 2014 15: 02
        Yes, then they wrote that three.
    5. +2
      14 June 2014 13: 09
      Some kind of incomprehensible "interview" in the article, maybe I'm overly "meticulous, but:
      "... - If before the police came or our, say, border guards, that is, from the city of Mariupol, now there are punitive detachments. They are not formed in Mariupol, these are not our military, these are military from western Ukraine. That is, everywhere you can hear Ukrainian speech, and even English, American speech. As if people are very afraid of this. They already shoot to kill and they no longer care who you are. For them you are a separatist and a terrorist and they will shoot, even if there is a grandmother, even young guy, they don't care, even if he is unarmed ... "
      How to understand the "American speech", did the punishers rap? In general, what kind of interview is "muddy", did they take it from a frightened schoolboy? What about
      Quote: esaul
      "Stop heating
      ass, rams! To arms! "

      so you shake the air in vain, it was said: "... - If before the police came or our, say, border guards, that is, from the city of Mariupol ..."
      Draw conclusions who is there for whom. With respect.
    6. +11
      14 June 2014 14: 18
      Cops in Ukraine are the most corrupt! Neither honor nor dignity! As in a wedding in a robin, they only manage to change their orientation! About sofa fighters, that's right! If in the beginning he himself was for the introduction of our troops, now he is almost categorically against it! And if you enter, then establish a dictatorship over everyone, since they don’t care how and with whom to live ...
      chaotic happened, emotions ... quarrel
    7. +1
      14 June 2014 19: 40
      Quote: esaul
      No one! Now there is an intensive explanatory work on the topic "Stop warming your asses, rams! To arms!" Will it get there ?.

      An example of the Slavyansk city of the hero before his eyes. The lads will shade the homeland of Bandera.
    8. Serg7281
      +2
      15 June 2014 12: 34
      Unlikely. In the trenches, there is no warm side of the zhinka, there is no zomboyaschik either, and it is not always possible to eat according to the schedule. Then why should your beloved "so" infringe and deprive yourself of the joy of life
  2. UFO
    +64
    14 June 2014 07: 57
    Do you know, I didn't like the attitude of the "local population" at all, judging by yesterday's interviews on "Business FM". "These" attacked, "those" fired back. And the "local gray masses" are dissatisfied - they are counting the losses, the glass is broken, no one is affectionate to them, neither "those" or "those". request
    To be honest, those who call on Putin to introduce the Armed Forces, to protect this "biomass", let them do it themselves, will also be guilty for "breaking the garage". Apparently the "crack in the head" has not appeared yet. fool
    1. +82
      14 June 2014 08: 02
      Vadim hi
      I watched the stream yesterday, an hour after the Nazis squirted from Mariupol. What infuriated - the vizier got huge, young foreheads in shorts and T-shirts, peacefully smoking a cigarette and coming to "look". B ..., waiting for Uncle Strelkov to come and protect them from Lyashko's shit am
      1. UFO
        +27
        14 June 2014 08: 44
        hi Valera
        So I'm talking about the same thing, there (in the South-East) so many people infantilely look at what is happening, so that someone does everything for them, that sometimes doubts prevail _ and we need it, people have forgotten that "God has no others hands EXCEPT YOURS! " belay
      2. +7
        14 June 2014 13: 38
        Quote: esaul
        hefty, young foreheads in shorts and T-shirts peacefully smoked

        Similar "refugees" in the Rostov region, each, if not the third, then the fifth for sure. And children and lonely women, "cannot take out", that's who needs help, and at the expense of the state, and "strong cottonmen" are capable of taking care of themselves. IMHO. With respect.
        1. GRANATE-19
          +2
          14 June 2014 18: 56
          Quote: fyvaprold
          Quote: esaul
          hefty, young foreheads in shorts and T-shirts peacefully smoked

          Similar "refugees" in the Rostov region, each, if not the third, then the fifth for sure. And children and lonely women, "cannot take out", that's who needs help, and at the expense of the state, and "strong cottonmen" are capable of taking care of themselves. IMHO. With respect.

          It is necessary to mobilize such "refugees", those who served to arm and help Uncle STRELKOV, and those who did not serve in the training camp for a month or two and to Uncle STRELKOV!
          Ohrenel completely, and there with STRELKOV volunteers from RUSSIA and the CIS are fighting ... FOR THEIR EARTH!
          Strelkov and volunteers - Heroic honors !!!
          to the crushed prisoners and the foreheads of the "refugees" - SHAME !!!!!

          Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
          1. +1
            14 June 2014 19: 57
            hi GRANATE-19. Normal, masculine opinion.
            Best regards hi
          2. +4
            14 June 2014 20: 30
            Quote: GRANATE-19
            We need to mobilize such "refugees"

            I am afraid that they must first be found, somewhere in the cellar, for sacks of potatoes, which is more difficult than piling on "Banderas" laughing , not for that they were ticking to Russia to become "under arms" am .
            But seriously, then only women, children and the elderly should be accepted as refugees, and men only if they are lame or in ........................ ..... from with such lenses in glasses, and healthy bulls to turn back. This will be right from the point of view of security, because Bandera promised to arrange a guerrilla war in Russia. AND
            Quote: GRANATE-19
            trampled prisoners and the foreheads of the "refugees"
            it would be time to decide which side they are on. You cannot be half-like (well, you understand), or you are a Knight, or Conchita. And for those who decided to sit out in the middle, usually "arrives" from both sides. With respect.
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      3. +3
        14 June 2014 19: 48
        Quote: esaul
        Vadim hi
        I watched the stream yesterday, an hour after the Nazis squirted from Mariupol. What infuriated - the vizier got huge, young foreheads in shorts and T-shirts, peacefully smoking a cigarette and coming to "look". B ..., waiting for Uncle Strelkov to come and protect them from Lyashko's shit am

        Where did the proud Slavs go? Taras Bulba sorry no.
      4. +4
        15 June 2014 11: 50
        They are thinking of getting into the European Union, somehow.
        Yesterday showed on TV a comment. A regular guy. He was asked why Ukraine should go to the EU? And what do you think he answered!
        - Tired of corruption and tired of waiting for a passport for 3 months.
        Like in the EU, a passport is made in 3 days with home delivery.
        They are all on a quick start to get down. Spit on your land.
        Do not believe in anything! Even its own Republic, Novorossia, was not encouraging.
        This is the worst thing - no faith!
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    3. +17
      14 June 2014 08: 37
      Quote: UFO
      To be honest, those who call on Putin to introduce the Armed Forces, to protect this "biomass", let them do it themselves, will also be guilty for "breaking the garage". Apparently the "crack in the head" has not appeared yet.

      Yes, there are more such summoners than to hell.
      Like, leaked, they say disgrace. There are several dozen militias throughout Mariupol! No cost center at the entrances, nothing dumb!
      Yes, for such a city there should be several thousand!
      Until there is nothing to eat in the absence of gas, oil and export to Russia, greasy or gray will not be inspired to resist banderlogs.
      Yes, probably, in all lands - no one canceled the need for a revolutionary situation. request
      1. 0
        14 June 2014 09: 48
        Mariupol is far from the real Donbass, so if the DPR and LPR will leave Ukraine, then the Nazis will leave from there either in peace or I don’t want to get stuck at all.
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      3. +6
        14 June 2014 10: 46
        In vain they think that everything will remain as before! There should not be mutually beneficial cooperation with Bandera Ukraine. Let Ahmetka trade with Europe, bull. And gas is only prepaid to them. And toast like that!
      4. 0
        14 June 2014 12: 47
        Quote: Alekseev
        Until there is nothing to eat in the absence of gas, oil and export to Russia,

        Did someone block the gas? It seems that sponsorship of the Kiev regime is continuing with might and main.
        1. +5
          14 June 2014 13: 27
          Quote: anip
          Did someone block the gas?

          Block, do not grieve too much!
          Although there is no overlapping task, the task is to get the real price - and let yourself use it.
          And pan Yaytsenyuh already ached: they say, taxes Donbass (heavily subsidized wink ) does not list as it should. Say, pennies are not enough. It's only the beginning...
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    5. +24
      14 June 2014 13: 13
      Well refugees xs!
      1. +3
        14 June 2014 13: 46
        Quote: AlexSK
        Well refugees xs!

        And here it is - to the very point! With respect.
      2. SSR
        +5
        14 June 2014 19: 28
        Quote: AlexSK
        Well refugees xs!

        The picture itself is indicative, the men are sitting and the women are standing. Ugh.
        1. raf
          0
          14 June 2014 20: 09
          That's it! Dill, he is dill, even eastern, even western.
        2. +1
          14 June 2014 22: 57
          Quote from S.S.R.
          The picture itself is indicative, the men are sitting and the women are standing.

          So they also have to protect the homeland! In the Russian rear. Yeah...
          Sincerely.
  3. +28
    14 June 2014 08: 00
    And what, in such conditions, to introduce troops, as some cheers patriots shout? No, really. Wait. when my backsides are torn off, then we can discuss this issue. hi Strelkov luck and luck ... hi
    1. irinar13
      +13
      14 June 2014 09: 42
      Agree. Everyone who shouts about the introduction of troops should shout with their military ID in their hands. Regarding Mariupol as a subject of the DPR, it can only be noted that it is the most weakly fortified and "dormant". And the Nazis love to take such cities. But still, after the capture, they did not remain in it.
    2. +17
      14 June 2014 14: 12
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      And what, in such conditions, to introduce troops, as some cheers patriots shout? No, really. Wait. when my backsides are torn off, then we can discuss this issue.

      I already wrote here, I will repeat: "Guys, what do you mean merged? I myself am from Rostov-on-Don. I have to travel a lot in business. My observations are as follows. When the decision in principle on the Crimea was made, the troops were brought to the Ukrainian border at night. When the unrest began in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - the troops were demonstratively marching in the daytime. I had several recordings on the video recorder where the military columns were approaching. Two recordings are particularly exciting. On one 30 MINUTES there is a convoy of armored personnel carriers, cars in the frame every 2-3 seconds. The second recording - tractors with tanks, duration 40 MINUTES, equipment in the frame approximately every 5 seconds. Count WHAT forces were transferred to the border. And once again I draw your attention - the equipment was demonstratively in the daytime. As I think, in order for the videos to get on the Internet and they fell. Russia showed the people of the South-East of Ukraine that it would support them. And what did we see? How many were ready to defend their freedom with arms in hand? That Russia had towhat to do if the majority of the people didn't care? South-East is not Crimea, where the movement of Ukrainian security forces could be relatively easily blocked in Armyansk. Nothing would have happened without the massive support of the local population. So why should our soldiers die if the locals don't need it? "
      Now essentially refugees. On Wednesday evening (11.06) I took my wife to the camp near Taganrog; she is my teacher. I worked with the kids for two days, brought home last night. I will not say that there are many peasants among refugees, but they are.
      Now I am with my parents in a town near the border. Over the past two days, 2 buses with refugees drove there, according to stories about a third of the peasant. I’m going to go there in the evening, with which to take something, and at the same time to talk with these peasants. Then I will unsubscribe according to the results of communication.
      1. Steppenwolf
        +2
        14 June 2014 20: 46
        We are looking forward to the results. soldier
        1. +6
          14 June 2014 21: 33
          Quote: SteppenWolf
          We are looking forward to the results. soldier


          Well, that - went. Some people have already left. There are about 40 people left, only five of them are peasants. It was not possible to talk to them normally, they pretend that they are busy with something, they are going there and there. No matter how they run after them, they don’t want to, they don’t want to. Women are more talkative. They said that when they were driving, they came under fire, they didn’t understand who shot, but because of this the bus pulled into a ditch and there were injured children. Women certainly complain, some cry. The kids are already comfortable, running around with the locals.
          The only thing is that if in the camp near Taganrog they didn’t refuse anything, neither products, nor things, then they said that things were not needed, help was advisable in money.
          Something like this. I’ll come again tomorrow, maybe I can still talk to the male population.
  4. +16
    14 June 2014 08: 01
    [i] [i] But which virtually the entire Ukrainian army cannot knock out of Slavyansk?
    [/ I]
    And Strelkov is a soldier, not a politician. A soldier does not need to score points on his snout (in the sense of his political image) - he defends his homeland. It's even interesting - by the way, have these pigs still not declared an international war criminal? Ugh, it's sickening to hear about Mariupol.
  5. +48
    14 June 2014 08: 01
    I nifiga already in this zoo do not understand! The police are following orders from Kiev? The same police that shot and burned? That police chief which seemed to be hung on an aspen? "Azov" Glory ???
    Well, dill! I don’t understand you at all!
    1. +16
      14 June 2014 10: 00
      Ukrainians, they are also in Africa Ukrainians. No wonder Putin does not want to mess with this herd. The rotten, weak-willed and stupid people there. And the police want to receive a stable salary from the state, to be in the state structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. We looked at the incompetent and stupid managers of Little Russia and quickly realized that you could not cook porridge with them. They have already existed for several months, but they cannot bring order, even the same vertical of power is not able to establish. Now, somehow, this did not lead to a chain reaction. What can I say, if in Lugansk, which is covered by Ukraine by the Donetsk region, the IL-76MD fearlessly sits down with people and military equipment (for rotation !!!). What the hell rotation? What is he doing there, whom is he changing? Military units .. ??? And everyone so proudly claims that they shot down a boarding plane. It would be better if they were silent at all, they did not make the world laugh! Generally some kind of clowning! In a word, the country of idiots is Hohland.
      1. +4
        15 June 2014 13: 09
        Quote: figter
        And everyone so proudly claims that they shot down a boarding plane

        But there is something to be proud of. This IL-76 didn’t bring gingerbread to children there. But these poppies:
        With respect.
    2. avt
      +11
      14 June 2014 10: 05
      Quote: dmitriygorshkov
      ! Does the police carry out the orders of Kiev? The same police who were shot and burned?

      That police were actually shot and burned.
      Quote: dmitriygorshkov
      I don’t understand nifiga already in this zoo

      request No offense, find an old, Soviet history textbook about the times of the Civil War, or even better, look for monographs of those years and see how the vision of the organization and formation of the Red Army was transformed in accordance with the realities of the Civil War. From declarations about volunteers and real, partisan detachments, sometimes just gangs, to regular units recruited on the basis of conscription. Moreover, the Whites from the Kornilov Ice Campaign to the Volunteer Army and the Wrangelites came to exactly the same system. But the Bolsheviks still had an unkillable idea of ​​the future building of society, and in the whole World, which burned hearts so much that it conveyed nostalgia for the "old" life, which, moreover, was not very cheerful for everyone.
      1. +2
        14 June 2014 12: 04
        Quote: avt

        No offense - find the old, Soviet history textbook about the times

        And what’s the offense here? You don’t just have to consider yourself the most well-read one! And without knowing your opponent.
        It’s necessary to study history. But transferring historical examples under tracing paper is simply stupid! ALWAYS there are factors which were not in historical examples, the stretch begins and as a result we come to the wrong conclusion!
        It is unlikely that it makes sense for you to teach me, and certainly not examples from the Civil War! I don’t have enough life to describe the differences, but you should read it. Moreover, you yourself write about them .....
        R.S.A. about the Soviet history textbook he even killed! I learned from them! Why so offhand all the young and fools to consider?
        1. +6
          14 June 2014 12: 40
          I do not agree with you. People at all times were the same in their thoughts, aspirations and deeds. Life, weapons, transport and so on changed .... But they always thought alike. Realities are realities, and the aspirations of one or another are not difficult to predict.
          1. +1
            14 June 2014 12: 59
            Quote: Roland
            I do not agree with you.

            Oh well? Realities speak realities?
            And how do you like such a reality that in the Civil War everyone fought for their bright future, everyone certainly understood it differently, but for their own!
            And now there is a massacre under the auspices of the mattress, which is on your flag and this fundamentally changes both behavior and motives!
            1. +4
              14 June 2014 13: 06
              I have the Amerov flag, because I am writing from the tablet (a long-standing glitch of the site and not with me alone) for some reason sets the Amer flag.

              Who's everyone? What did he fight for? Either with the red, now with the white, then by themselves, then the devil knows with whom, the impression is that the troops swooped simply swaggered and bargained.
              And whites for what future they fought in a foreign country?
              1. +2
                14 June 2014 13: 15
                Quote: Roland
                I have the Amerov flag, because I am writing from the tablet (a long-standing glitch of the site and not with me alone) for some reason sets the Amer flag.

                You have the Amerovsky flag, not because of a "glitch", but because you are sitting from under a proxy server. Disable proxy (or Turbo mode) in the settings and everyone will see your "true face" laughing . With respect.
                1. +2
                  14 June 2014 13: 25
                  For you, I’ll go out here from the laptop and show you the true face;)
                  1. 0
                    14 June 2014 14: 04
                    Quote: Roland
                    For you, I’ll go out here from the laptop and show you the true face;)

                    I look forward to laughing laughing laughing . With respect.
                    1. +2
                      14 June 2014 19: 42
                      soldier Taadaammm ... And here I am.
              2. +1
                14 June 2014 19: 26
                Quote: Roland
                Amerov flag

                Dear, I said about the flag on your avatar, because I’ve already gored to come up with allegories. Censorship However!
                And not because I decided that you are an American. That you are right as a child to be distracted by particulars.
        2. avt
          +3
          14 June 2014 14: 31
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          BUT transferring historical examples to the tracing-paper is simply stupid! ALWAYS there are factors which were not in historical examples, the stretch begins and as a result we come to the wrong conclusion!

          Quote: Roland
          People at all times were the same in their thoughts, aspirations and deeds. Life, weapons, transport and so on changed .... But they always thought alike. Realities are realities, and the aspirations of one or another are not difficult to predict.

          good
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          And now there’s a massacre under the auspices of the mattress,

          And here it is
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          , the stretch begins and as a result we come to the wrong conclusion!
          Even the Maidan then began quite under the banner of the struggle for a better, European share. A US flag appeared later on the SBU building.
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          And what’s the offense here? You don’t just have to consider yourself the most well-read one! And without knowing your opponent.

          All the same, they were offended, but in vain. I've often studied old Soviet memoirs. You know, it's very useful for understanding the processes and often see confirmation of the rule that if you forget the old, it will definitely repeat itself, and even with modern gadgets.
          Quote: Roland
          Realities are realities, and the aspirations of one or another are not difficult to predict.

          Exactly .
          1. 0
            14 June 2014 19: 22
            Quote: avt
            Even the Maidan then began quite under the banner of the struggle for a better, European share. A US flag appeared later on the SBU building.

            Oh well? And Vika Nuland, and McCain and the other riffraff on the Maidan was not, from the very first days?
            And avt, you yourself read your post in a detached manner. You snagged everywhere, why, for some reason, it’s clear that I’ve been offended in vain. And I immediately told you that I’m not offended by such people.
            1. avt
              +2
              14 June 2014 20: 44
              Quote: dmitriygorshkov
              Oh well? And Vika Nuland, and McCain and the other riffraff on the Maidan was not, from the very first days?

              Well ? At 17m, Niki # 2 was also removed with the help of aglitsok reconnaissance. Rasputin was so simple with a special operation under the leadership of an English resident, and again, an English agent finished off when they were dragging around the yard, about which the Air Force even made a documentary film in the late 90s, citing their archival documents, and they also looked into the Anglians mouth, as now Well, the people did not go out to the streets under Union Jack in February 17th and did not go out to the song "Rule Britain over the seas ..." So everything new is well forgotten old. In the background, of course, USs play their game and the rate in this game is at a minimum -EU, at a maximum -we, Russia.
    3. +8
      14 June 2014 12: 33
      For a long time I tried to draw the attention of all members of the forum to the fact that in Ukraine two groups of the population are dealing with, Ukrainians with Ukrainians, or Ukrainians with Ukrainians (as you like), whoever, neither one nor the other does not need Russia, who gravitate towards Russia, leave for Russia, the rest are waiting for how it will end. If you look at the history of 1917 or 1941 it was the same. In 17, the Reds were red during the day, white at night, and green in the morning, and the population was also waiting for what would end, until the Reds brought "revolutionary order". And in 41, if the Germans did not carry out all kinds of punitive actions, then they would have sat and waited for how it would end (there was no partisan movement, well, except for single speeches).
      So they now think that everything will end so quietly, well, they’ll fight somewhere in Kiev and that’s all, by the way, the Russian channels do not broadcast on most of Ukraine.
      Although one piece of information (or rather just an idea) about filtration camps and a metal fence on the border with Russia should put any resident of Ukraine before the question of leaving or continuing his personal participation in what is happening, while there is still time. Because just leaving is just a loss of some amount of money, and participation implies a completely different development of events for yourself. There are so many options that it takes your breath away. You can simply join the National Guard, you can be subjected to "lustration", join the militia, or you can be shot on the street (when you thought "that you just waited out the situation" and went about your business on the street); your choice has become incredibly wide.
      Residents of the Southeast are faced with a simple choice, but for some reason, most residents think that this does not concern them.
      We are waiting for how it all ends. In this situation, We can simply observe, since no help will help them if they themselves do not participate in this. Our direct participation will lead to a "Baltic" view of events. Once again we will be accused of occupation and so on, so on, so on. ... ... Moreover, in my opinion, the most terrible thing for the inhabitants of Ukraine will come in the fall, when the economy finally collapses, and bills for communal services, electricity and gas will jump.
    4. SSR
      +2
      14 June 2014 23: 19
      Quote: dmitriygorshkov
      I nifiga already in this zoo do not understand! The police are following orders from Kiev? The same police that shot and burned? That police chief which seemed to be hung on an aspen? "Azov" Glory ???
      Well, dill! I don’t understand you at all!

      Imha not from scratch all this .....



      One crest-partisan, Two crested-partisan detachment, Three crested partisan detachment with a traitor, Four crested gang, Five crested gang with ataman, six crested Gang, seven crested gang with ataman and two traitors, Eight-crested gang with two traitors and two chieftains, Nine Ukrainians-Banda with two chieftains and one traitor, or with two traitors for one chieftain, Ten Ukrainians-REAL FORCE !! !
      A hundred Ukrainians-the Verkhovna Rada with the chieftains, traitors, Old Man Makhno, Taras Bulba and full Tear.
  6. +18
    14 June 2014 08: 05
    What are we talking about. I have a fact proclamation of TWO republics (.op to .ope, not back to back) get out a bunch of questions and a clear opinion - these are games of politics. And the Tsar is the leader in the collapse of the Southeast, as a single entity. By the way, the local people, with his senses on polites, appreciated this right away, pressing his ass (the lads are fighting, run to the side).

    In real life, only Strelok is the defender of the idea of ​​SE and Russia.
    1. UFO
      +2
      14 June 2014 10: 15
      Quote: GrBear
      the fact of the proclamation of TWO republics

      Funny, but already - 3x: Lisichanskaya Nar. Rep. !!! wassat
      Soon every collective farm will declare itself a State and demand international recognition, and even turn to Putin to bring in troops! fool
      1. +7
        14 June 2014 11: 03
        Remember "Wedding in Robinovka". The power is changing again.
        And everywhere there will be his own - Pan Ataman Gritian of Tauride!
    2. +10
      14 June 2014 11: 33
      Reading the book by Gleb Bobrov "The Epoch of the Stillborn", written long before the events in Ukraine, one cannot leave the feeling that this is not a prediction, but a scenario that is being implemented.

      From an interview with G. Bobrov 2009 year.

      From-UA:
      - Do you think that in reality a split and a civil war could threaten Ukraine?

      G. Bobrov: - Of course! Firstly, a split has already occurred. This is a fact that must finally be recognized, and look at reality without blinkers and pink glasses. Instead, no one is not only going to recognize something, but they don’t want to overcome anything. Moreover, the opposite! All leading political forces are actively working to expand and deepen this complex - spiritual, worldview, national - split of the country. Here you want - for years you have to bridge the gap.

      Secondly, and this is the main thing, the threat of turning Ukraine into a "hot spot" comes from outside. We are at the forefront of a long-standing geopolitical conflict and, in these global games, we are fulfilling, for now, the role of a bargaining chip. And a great merit in this status belongs to us ourselves - the citizens of the country. The fair price for social passivity, unwillingness to think and the consumer position of “my hut from the edge”.

      From-UA: - The civil war is not only a consequence of the policies of leaders. It is also the result of accumulated negativity between social strata or residents of different regions. Otherwise, there will simply be no volunteers or embittered soldiers in such a war.

      G. Bobrov: - You just need to understand the mechanisms for launching fratricidal conflicts. This is for you now, sitting in a warm apartment, it seems that the whole thing is a social "negative" accumulated between citizens. In practice, the whole thing is "blood." When blood is shed, an ancient and terrible demon of revenge will burst from the depths of thousands of human souls. And then already all the participants in the slaughter will decisively not give a damn about slogans, arguments and even obvious reality. There is such a concept as “frontline psychosis” that is practically unknown to ordinary citizens. There are well-known technologies for launching this mechanism. If you think that captured soldiers are being cut alive into barbecue by fanatics stupid from anger, then you are deeply mistaken. This is done by well-trained, competent and very cold-blooded professionals.

      So to distinguish one from the other: if there are appropriate political decisions, then “noble rage” will inevitably appear. And quickly, efficiently and as if by itself.
      1. +4
        14 June 2014 14: 22
        I read this book. And it seems that someone gave the dill to the authorities as a scenario for the development of the country.
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  7. +13
    14 June 2014 08: 08
    What happened? Never mind. Glorious Ukrainian tradition, sit on two chairs. And there neither sit down and eat the fish. According to reports from relatives from those regions (Dnipropetrovsk) everything is fine there, except for the fact that the pension with a salary of Z / P from 2.500 gr to 1500 was cut, prices went up, something was enough for a living, and everywhere with police officers at checkpoints are standing. And since the famous song all is well beautiful marquise, all is well, all is well.
  8. +23
    14 June 2014 08: 13
    And whoever said there, let's bring in the troops, help ours ... here, please, our guys would have fought, but during this time "truancy will not be considered, who could not come to work" and "stay at home and not come out. " Ugh, it's a shame, neither fish nor meat.
  9. +15
    14 June 2014 08: 13
    Here is what Strelkov wrote:
    There were all the militia - 3-4 dozen armed fighters. And they sent first "Alpha", and then two battalions of punishers. They had to leave for an illegal position. Now the Ukrainians will "cleanse" the city for several days.
    With such forces it is possible to defend only barricades, TV showed that the miner commanded it, even without experience in the army, the result is logical.
  10. +6
    14 June 2014 08: 13
    Nasty. I apologize for the expression, but the Mariupol members sucked.
    1. +4
      14 June 2014 12: 25
      But they don’t care! They didn’t show much zeal to protect their interests. Yes and they don’t have any other desire except:
  11. +6
    14 June 2014 08: 19
    The questions are fair, and the conclusions are disappointing. The people-for Bandera. Against - few, and they are not ready to fight, but by the principle - maybe carry. Is it so? not sure. It is quite possible betrayal (about the boy - did you read Kibalchish?), Disinformation can again take place, well, propaganda ... where would her mother be without her?
    1. irinar13
      +7
      14 June 2014 09: 46
      The people are neither "for" nor "against". The people are for stability.
      1. +4
        14 June 2014 10: 17
        I agree completely. People are sure that this will not affect them personally. Death can happen to anyone, but not to me!
      2. +3
        14 June 2014 10: 45
        Quote: irinar13
        The people are neither "for" nor "against". The people are for stability.

        Let the shitty, but stably shitty.
        But in general, everything is very revealing. When Natsik shot people in Mariupol, if I am not mistaken, it was May 9th, the crowd (otherwise you can’t call them) stood and filmed everything that was happening. What changed? It seems like NOTHING. Whom should Russia save? From whom? Yes, they must be saved from themselves. But besides them, no one can do this. Alas!
  12. +19
    14 June 2014 08: 23
    30-40 militias against special forces and battalion is too much. They didn’t have to portray "28 Panfilovites", so they went away correctly, if only they were not "handed over" by the locals, those who had been sitting all this time in their "khataskrai".
    (This is some kind of 3,14dets: there are about 500 people in the city, and only about 000 people were defended. With such a percentage of the rest of the "ballast" - there can be no question of any input of troops ...)
    1. +2
      14 June 2014 10: 02
      Quote: Dragon-y
      if only they were not "surrendered" by the locals, those who had been sitting all this time in their "khataskrai".

      There is no doubt about it! They will hand over 100 pounds! I hope the fighters did not stay in the city!
  13. +3
    14 June 2014 08: 27
    I don’t understand anything, a large industrial city, metallurgists, etc. And the cat cried out to people request
    1. 0
      14 June 2014 12: 51
      Quote: tundra
      I don’t understand anything, a large industrial city, metallurgists, etc. And the cat cried out to people request

      that you go around the bush instead of admitting that the ideas of the DPR are supported by minuscule people, your "shooter" from Slavyansk also wrote about this that there is no one to fight except volunteers from the Russian Federation and Cossacks and a very small number of locals. Probably, VVP, having more information about this than ordinary users, refrained from sending troops to the YUVU, although the Russian troops were at the border and calls were heard from the "people's governors" and had the go-ahead from the Duma.
      1. stapler
        +1
        14 June 2014 19: 00
        the ideas of the DNI are supported by a mass of people, there is no organization, and the leadership of the DNI is guilty of this, and in general, it looks rather disgusting from the outside — a bunch of loud statements, such as the nationalization of enterprises, it’s interesting that at least one enterprise started
        transfer taxes to the Dnieper? in the LPR it looks a bit more organized (from the outside), they carried out a voluntary mobilization .. now force it, it’s clear that it’s not prepared, but it’s quite possible to use it on secondary or tertiary sectors ...
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    3. stapler
      0
      14 June 2014 18: 54
      everything is simple, in the city all the enterprises are Akhmetovskys, people work for them and receives their salaries, feeds their families, no one wants to stay out of work, went to the militia, left work ..., there is nothing to eat ...
  14. -6
    14 June 2014 08: 29
    american speech

    I believe, I believe every word !!! good
    1. +7
      14 June 2014 12: 56
      Your irony is stupid and inappropriate.

      Option 1: a miner, crane operator, or some other "guy from the plow" heard English speech and without much understanding of the ethno-linguistic peculiarities of Albion and the United States said that he had "heard American speech." So what? Let's scoff at the miners and crane operators, why are they stupid and how smart we are?

      2 version: it is quite possible that among the militias there was a philologist (English teacher, translator, etc.) who was quite capable of clearly distinguishing American from English speech and rightly indicated that he had heard exactly American (metro, pants), and not English (underground, trausers ) speech!

      In both cases, you have to regret the flaws in the administrative services of the Russian Empire, the Third Reich and the USSR, thanks to which you are now mocking the Slavs. At certain points in history, different services of different states with completely different political and economic views undertook to solve all the same problem, but in the case of you and your ancestors, they were underdeveloped, which is a pity!
      1. -10
        14 June 2014 13: 29
        Quote: ivanovbg
        You are now mocking the Slavs

        paranoia is treated, but it should not be started. fool
        1. +3
          14 June 2014 13: 36
          Quote: professor
          paranoia is treated, but it should not be started.

          knew that you do not let go.
          surprised that in such a soft form.
          on behalf of the main anti-Semite of the site (that is, myself) I declare that I completely disagree with the last paragraph in the statement of the above-mentioned comrade.

          although ...

          (do not take it personally, the mood is good today)
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          2. +11
            14 June 2014 14: 50
            Quote: Rider
            on behalf of the main anti-Semite of the site (that is, yourself)

            You're wrong. The main anti-Semite of the site is the Professor. It is he who incites anti-Semitism here with a tenacity worthy of a better application.
            1. +6
              14 June 2014 15: 05
              Quote: Sergei Medvedev
              The main anti-Semite of the site is the Professor. It is he who incites anti-Semitism here with a tenacity worthy of a better application.

              well, this is exactly the case when I gladly give way.
              especially to the professional, he deserved it.

              laughing
            2. raf
              +1
              14 June 2014 20: 22
              In his furnace or gas chamber !!!
            3. +2
              14 June 2014 20: 52
              Quote: Sergei Medvedev
              You're wrong. The most important antisemit site - Professor

              A very correct view of things!
            4. +3
              14 June 2014 20: 56
              Quote: Sergei Medvedev
              You're wrong. The main anti-Semite of the site is the Professor. It is he who incites anti-Semitism here with a tenacity worthy of a better application.

              Professor does not "incite" and does not "persist", the fact is that in Israel they even write from right to left, so everything that is for us "+", To the professor seen as "-", and he simply expresses his consent, by the method of negation laughing laughing laughing . With respect.
        2. +3
          14 June 2014 19: 58
          Quote: professor
          paranoia is treated, but it should not be started.

          I understand that this is a piece of advice from the "self-tested" series? what ... Good evening Professor! hi
        3. raf
          +1
          14 June 2014 20: 21
          laughing Professssssooooooorrrrrr, wait, soon the Palestinians and their brothers in arms will come to you. What will you do? Will you take up arms or will you tear into a mattress?
          1. 0
            14 June 2014 20: 45
            Quote: raf
            laughing Professssssooooooorrrrrr, wait, soon the Palestinians and their brothers in arms will come to you. What will you do? Will you take up arms or will you tear into a mattress?

            I’m not used to snoring.
          2. +1
            14 June 2014 20: 59
            Quote: raf
            Will you take up arms or will you tear into a mattress?

            Why in mattress, in Russia. Russia accepts all. Indiscriminately laughing . With respect.
            1. 0
              14 June 2014 21: 17
              Quote: fyvaprold
              Why in mattress, in Russia. Russia accepts all. Indiscriminately. With respect.

              You first accept your blood brothers of the Slavs "indiscriminately" (not to mention the Russians), and only then we'll talk about the Jews. wassat
              1. +2
                15 June 2014 02: 19
                And your compatriot, Jesus Christ, preached that all people, brothers, should love each other. True, you sold it ...
        4. 0
          15 June 2014 02: 17
          A-aa! An old acquaintance is a friend of Pupyrchaty! Or are you the same person with him?
      2. +2
        14 June 2014 13: 55
        Quote: ivanovbg
        in the case of you and your ancestors

        Thick! Excuse me, but I knew Jews who, due to the number of military awards, could not wear a jacket without outside help, so in my understanding they are - Jews with a big "E", and the "questions" were put under the category - "Zionist". IMHO. I will amuse you with a picture:
        Here's whose "question" needs to be addressed. With respect.
        1. +2
          14 June 2014 14: 16
          Quote: fyvaprold
          I will amuse you with a picture:
          Here's whose "question" needs to be addressed.

          unfortunately for the whole world, and for Jews (with a capital E)
          in this pyramid they occupy far from the last place (including the number in% ratio)
          (I was especially pleased with the Priory of Zion)

          I understand that they are just a tool (like a chisel), but the fact that they are driving this tool (to humanity) does not get easier because they also hammer with a chisel.
          1. 0
            14 June 2014 14: 33
            add: find on the network D. Bajda, E. Lyubimova - Bible pictures.
            as soon as you added the above slide, then I decided that maybe this will interest you.
            1. 0
              14 June 2014 17: 20
              Quote: Rider
              Find D. Bajda, E. Lyubimova - Bible Pictures on the Web.

              Thanks, be sure to read it. With respect.
        2. +1
          14 June 2014 15: 07
          Yes, I understand the difference between Jews and Zionists. I am not an anti-Semite, but an anti-globalist, but I just could not resist.
        3. 0
          14 June 2014 15: 07
          Yes, I understand the difference between Jews and Zionists. I am not an anti-Semite, but an anti-globalist, but I just could not resist.
          1. +2
            14 June 2014 21: 49
            For starters, ahtungs, at least go to the professor's level. I’m lower, I’m not trying to argue, she’ll shut up feel Learn damn how dragging Lenin bequeathed!
            1. +4
              14 June 2014 22: 31
              Quote: perepilka
              I’m lower, I’m not trying to argue, she’ll shut up

              Well, learn, who is stopping you?
              It is quite easy to "shut up" the prof, he has been making a bunch of blunders lately.
              1. +2
                15 June 2014 11: 49
                Quote: Rider
                Well, learn who's stopping you

                I’m trying, I read, there’s a shortage of time, and my brains are already 52 years old. Oh, if youth knew ... recourse
                1. +3
                  15 June 2014 11: 57
                  Quote: perepilka
                  I'm trying. I’m reading

                  Learning is never too late.
                  however, this is not to your reproach.
                  most of the world's population do not bother with such topics.
                  and info taken from the media
                  as is evident from the mass of frantic Russophobes who think with cliches and slogans put by people (or people) into their heads leading humanity to the wrong place (and where, by the way?)

                  however quarrel for a lyrical retreat.
                  just the poppy syndrome affected the desire to carry the TRUE (tm) to the masses again.

                  if you need help on some issues of the history of geopolitics, etc., write, I’ll be glad to help

                  and yes, I advise you to go to the resource "Eye of the Planet"
                  very efficient analytical site. In addition, there is a constant update of news about Ukraine.
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2014 12: 17
                    Quote: Rider
                    and yes, I advise you to go to the resource "Eye of the Planet"
                    very efficient analytical site

                    Thank you.
                    if you need help on some issues of the history of geopolitics, etc., write, I’ll be glad to help
                    By myself. Incredulous I, burned to the bone.
  15. +7
    14 June 2014 08: 30
    Mariupol looks like a well-fed overweight pig, who does not care who throws it at the trough of food. Kharkov is the next one; in general, the hospice region is developed at a very high level. And this is not unfounded, my childhood friend lives there, prudent nationalists make weather there for 20-25 years, naturally coordinated from Kiev
  16. +4
    14 June 2014 08: 34
    After the Mariupol events, I come to the conclusions. The population of this city is violet to live under what authority. The League didn’t shoot. It’s not worth talking about any patriotism.
    The police did not take the marching side, but maybe even worse - complete submission from Kiev with the transfer of information about the presence, quantity, location of rebel fighters.
    What awaits them in the future will be realized in the not far future .. It is worth watching the interview Vasilishin: Poroshenko, the Georgian scenario for Ukraine and the uprising of Donbass.
  17. +50
    14 June 2014 08: 36
    I wrote about this several times, but I will repeat myself. A familiar family lives in Mariupol, former Russian border guards have retired since 2010, moved from the Far East to Ukraine and now live there. So they did not vote for the DPR, they do not consider the new government in Kiev a junta , they do not consider the introduction of troops on May 9 to be some kind of crime, they do not consider the authorities and the National Guard to be fascists, Nazis and, in general, are loyal to them. The most interesting thing is that they feel more negativity not towards the Ukrainian authorities, but towards Russia !! ! Moreover, they receive a military pension in Russia !!! And they really believe that Russia is guilty of the turmoil in Ukraine !!! So a friend answered questions after May 9: "And I walked in the center of the city in heels, no one tried me kill or detain, nothing terrible happened on May 9, you are exaggerating, and your media are exaggerating everything. "After we called up again, they told how they go to the sea to sunbathe, how my father went to Russia to receive a pension, crossed the border without hindrance and returned back, considerthat everything is in order and that they are not in danger, since they pay pensions, pay salaries in Ukraine, and daughters study.
    In general: THERE DO NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS !!!! THEY DO NOT SEE THEM !!! OR DO NOT WANT TO SEE !!!!!
    Who are you going to save ???? "Svidomo", and maybe cowards and opportunists ????
    They don’t give a damn about morality, they don’t give a damn about history, they don’t give a damn about Russia, honor, good memory of their old people who defended their grandchildren’s right to life !!!! The main thing for them is selfish interests, comfort, they sacrifice their freedom and their voice in exchange for the security of valuable slavery !!!!!
    !!!! THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OF OUR HELP !!!!!! Only those who resist are worthy of it, and unfortunately they are an absolute minority !!!!
    1. UFO
      +2
      14 June 2014 08: 47
      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
      ! THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OF OUR HELP !!!!!! Only those who resist are worthy of it, and unfortunately they are an absolute minority !!!!

      good Yes drinks
    2. +4
      14 June 2014 11: 12
      Many "bogies" are afraid, considering them the fifth column and so on. But they are, in fact, enemies and you can deal with them, and these are traitors who take from Russia and revile them behind their backs. I also have friends in Ukraine who believe that order is being restored. And it is surprising that the former commander, who passed the Afghan 2 times, taught "to love the Motherland", the Tatar himself, the wife of a Magyark in Transcarpathia, calmly took the Ukrop oath and became Svidomo ukry. Our conversation was short today.
    3. +4
      14 June 2014 11: 55
      Therefore, there should be a program for accepting refugees, Russia must make a corridor so that they can evacuate. Officials say that there are not enough working hands, they are working hands. To make, as in Belarus, build not big cottages, people work in the field and slowly give for housing. Make citizenship for them.
      They showed me on TV about facilitated citizenship. My homie crest goes to the FMS almost every week. It’s as if there is a program, but no one accepted it and when it will not be known. But then all sorts of Kyrgyz people and other abreks get citizenship only like that.
    4. +2
      14 June 2014 12: 12
      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
      !!!! THEY ARE NOT WORTHY OF OUR HELP !!!!!!

      Handsome man! I quickly judged everything, put it in its place. Genius!
      His family is familiar. I have half of my relatives there. None said how pleased he was with the Bandera.
      Can anyone figure out how much this entire military campaign costs? How much money is needed for media channels - to enlighten the people? To begin actions, how many people need to be freed from work, school, how many families need to be fed? Everyone can lead and scream slogans, sometimes you just want to eat, but who will feed? Or is there no secret information on the amount of Amer’s investments on the network? Invest at least 10% and see the result.
      And do not put as an example the inhabitants of Slavyansk. At the moment, they are hostages of the situation, I think, if possible, almost everyone would agree to evacuate.
      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
      Who are you going to save ???? "Svidomo", and maybe cowards and opportunists ????

      As I understand it, you are a participant in the active actions of the struggle against Mr. Yeltsin from 1991 to 2000 years? Were you the light of enlightenment in the conditions of total zombization of the Russian population by tampaks, sneakers and 100 sausages? Or is it one of the organizers of the Emergency Committee?
      And who are the judges ?!
      Do not judge, but do not judge
      And I advise: less emotion, more logic.
      1. +10
        14 June 2014 13: 16
        It doesn't matter to me how much this company costs on the part of ukrov, it's not interesting to Strelkov, it's not interesting to Motorola. They took up arms and defend their principles, their honor, their values. I don't put the inhabitants of Slavyansk in example, I take the militia as an example.
        Enlightenment of the population through the media ??? !!!! And why is it necessary to do this through the media ??? What is compulsory education ??? Can Ukrainians sit in the information vacuum ??? No, they don’t sit, they have Internet access, there is a telephone, after all, there are books, and the most important thing is history. If the choice of the layman of Ruins is ignorance, then my attitude towards them is only one-contempt.
        The population of Ukraine itself is to blame for what is happening in Ukraine, or rather ignorance of the overwhelming majority of this population. In the situation in Ukraine, no one should intervene from outside, they themselves must understand that they went the wrong way, they themselves must find a way out of this tragic situation , those who commit outrages are their brothers, sisters, sons, friends, neighbor

        They are fellow relatives, in extreme cases, fellow citizens, they are guilty of their insanity, they did not stop their degradation at the time, they looked blankly at the youth slipping into the pit of ignorance, and they didn’t want to disentangle them. Most simply could not understand their guilt, or simply want to sit out troubled times and adapt to new realities, and therefore not worthy of help from outside. Of course, the United States is guilty of this unrest, but this does not relieve the population.
        At the expense of "devouring", when a shell flies through the window to those who want to "devour", or someone from his family will be shot down by the Nazi scum, they will no longer want to eat, there will be no need for this. The position that you voiced is slavery in exchange for security is the lot of opportunists.
        At the expense of the 90s. At that time I was a child, now I am 24 years old. Watching footage of those years and reading books about that disaster, I never left the disgust from the crowds of degenerates wrapped in tricolor and screaming Yeltsin, Yeltsin. The ignorance of those years is identical to the ignoramus of modern Ukraine and for me there is no difference between these degenerates and I'm not going to feel sorry for them.

        About "do not judge, but you will not be judged" - how then to live ??? how to understand what is good, what is evil, what is creation, what is destruction, how to deal then with evil, not justice, how then to understand what is moral norms ?? ?? !!!! This is a disgusting fortune-telling, the observance of this rule leads to degeneration.

        PS I am a very calm person and emotionality is alien to me, with rare exceptions.
        1. +2
          14 June 2014 23: 43
          Glad to your optimism. But the question is somewhat more complicated. You - thanks to your parents and the whole environment - did not become (at least in words) gray biomass, unlike the majority of the population. Intellectualism is the main enemy of propaganda. This is Goebbels's phrase. I hope you do not expect that the entire population of the Motherland has such an equalization of consciousness that it is capable of withstanding the stream of propaganda and disinformation coming from the vastness of the Internet, video boxes? Do not attribute the presence of reason to the crowd. She has only emotions that professional provocateurs can direct in the right direction. The issue of educating individuals capable of resisting mass hysteria is very difficult, in principle we cannot solve it for the masses. Even very sane people for the most part are in danger of being influenced by the emotions of the environment, that is, the crowd. It's like a football match: even the calmest spectator is "infected" with the energy of the crowd, shouts, does not behave as usual. If you have not been to the stadium during the match, go and pay attention to how many of the fans are able not to shout "referee for soap", but to adequately analyze the course and outcome of the meeting. For example, the level of physical and technical training of each player and referee, compare with the same indicators for several years, predict for the next season.
          So it is in life. It is difficult to stay prudent in the crowd. And further. How would you rate the person who went to the barricades, while losing his job, for the salary from which his wife, children, possibly parents live? When does ideology defeat pragmatism?

          Good luck.
  18. +2
    14 June 2014 08: 38
    Let's see how this biomass begins to howl when the US private property will be released, because the whole Southeast is sold to private hands
  19. +11
    14 June 2014 08: 39
    Quote: jekasimf
    Nasty. I apologize for the expression, but the Mariupol members sucked.

    Well, duck this is their national tradition, the Poles came to "suck", the Germans came, "suck", now we tightened up "SOSYOM IS ENHANCED". Mentality, sir.
  20. +5
    14 June 2014 08: 41
    I can't find it, but yesterday I read that there was a betrayal, the punishers knew the location of the militia from one of those captured before. But yesterday, in Lugansk, a Ukrainian "spy" was killed, for me, a spy.
  21. 0
    14 June 2014 08: 45
    Quote: professor
    I believe, I believe every word !!!

    Please explain in more detail Professor. As a rule, you always have arguments.
    1. -3
      14 June 2014 08: 50
      Quote: DesToeR
      Please explain in more detail Professor.

      Tales about the civil war, mercenaries, "volunteers" who speak English got tired of it, but the pearl about those who speak "American" was killed. I am fluent in English and do not always distinguish an English accent, but here ... well, Brad Pete from Tarantino is straight. wassat
      I did not read further. negative
      1. Beloborodov
        +4
        14 June 2014 09: 16
        about those who speak "American" were killed.

        I agree with that. The eye also caught on.

        But here I do not believe that you do not distinguish English from American :).
        Do you understand that English English is not an accent?
        1. -4
          14 June 2014 09: 21
          Quote: Beloborodov
          Do you understand that English English is not an accent?

          Once it was not an accent, and now when they are in the minority (and on the screen they are generally miserable), then their English with an accent. The exception is the elite or say the queen. She has an excellent classic pronunciation!

          Quote: Beloborodov
          But here I do not believe that you do not distinguish English from American :).

          I said, far from always distinguishing, the Irish and the blacks from Texas do not count. laughing
          1. Beloborodov
            0
            14 June 2014 11: 45
            Quote: professor
            She has an excellent classic pronunciation!
            Fu *** Queens Langwich lol
        2. +1
          14 June 2014 12: 49
          As far as I know, Americans swallow the endings of words (that is, as if they would not pronounce the end of the word), but the British do not.
      2. Horde
        +4
        14 June 2014 09: 23
        Quote: professor
        about those who speak "American" were killed. I am fluent in English and do not always distinguish an English accent, but here .. well, Brad Pete from Taranti is straight.


        Do you distinguish such shades? there is no single English there are all sorts of different rapidly scattering languages ​​...
      3. +3
        14 June 2014 10: 31
        Quote: professor
        Tales about the civil war, mercenaries, "volunteers" who speak English are tired



        site page with video (the video itself is not inserted due to Internet glitch)

        http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/245667-zachistka-mariupolya-karatelyami.
        html


        watch from 2: 30-3: 00

        English speech is clearly audible with a terrible accent.
        presumably, the translator attached to the English-speaking fighters, transmits TsU: well, like where to peck a mona, and where not.

        probably they’re having fun for fun.

        You can also find online videos with an Italian mercenary in the service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        1. -8
          14 June 2014 11: 08
          Quote: Rider
          English speech is clearly audible with a terrible accent.

          -Carefully there dushman ...
          -window
          -I understand ... good

          Quote: Rider
          You can also find online videos with an Italian mercenary in the service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

          Volunteer, dear, for that matter. Mercenary must be proved.

          Quote: ultra
          Well, you are aware that American English is somewhat different from the language of the historical homeland! Although the author certainly lit up!

          English is the same everywhere, there are not very big differences, minor. Singlish or English Hindus - this is an accent, like a sawmill on the ears.
          1. +6
            14 June 2014 11: 23
            Quote: professor
            -Carefully there dushman ...
            -window
            -I understand.


            that is, you yourself made sure that someone is talking to someone in English.
            why is this done against the background of the database, and what does an English-speaking comrade do there, this secret is great for you.

            I recognize your style - total denial.
            probably it was necessary to show the passport in the lens, the contract, and the shooter himself.
            Quote: professor
            Volunteer, dear, for that matter Mercenary must be proved.

            same as fact volunteering
            I somehow believe in mercenaries more than in the magnanimous beserebereniki.
            1. -6
              14 June 2014 11: 46
              Quote: Rider
              that is, you yourself made sure that someone is talking to someone in English.
              why is this done against the background of the database, and what does an English-speaking comrade do there, this secret is great for you.

              I recognize your style - total denial.
              probably it was necessary to show the passport in the lens, the contract, and the shooter himself.

              No denial, I admit. "Mike", "window", "I understand it was in English, but" Who is on duty today? "I didn't hear ... wink

              Quote: Rider
              as well as the fact of volunteering
              I somehow believe in mercenaries more than in the magnanimous beserebereniki.

              "volunteerism" bring not required, presumption of innocence but wassat
              1. +4
                14 June 2014 12: 05
                Quote: professor
                No denial, I admit

                Well, fine.
                I think to combine the fact of English-speaking defendants in the database on the side of ukrovsk with such a phenomenon as mercenarism (PMCs), even for you it will not be difficult.

                and yes, I was very amused by your reprise about "presumption of innocence but" against the background of a shootout (I understand what they said about a certain pasta, but switched to shooting), but I really liked the virtual picture.

                a fighter is running, with all the bells and whistles, and the helmet is inscribed "are you sure? the mindset of innocence - however"

                right here
                wassat
                1. -5
                  14 June 2014 12: 20
                  Quote: Rider
                  I think to combine the fact of English speakers in the database

                  Having spoken 3 words from the 5th grade school course ... laughing

                  Quote: Rider
                  such a thing as mercenary

                  Until it is proven, volunteering. request
                  1. +4
                    14 June 2014 12: 25
                    Quote: professor
                    Pronounced 3 words from the 5th grade school course ..

                    there is such a character in the US State Department, Psaki called.
                    under it even the saying was redone:
                    "even though the dogs in the eyes are all God's dew"

                    very often this saying can be applied to you.

                    don't you find?
                    1. -6
                      14 June 2014 12: 36
                      Quote: Rider
                      don't you find?

                      I remember the chief of the General Staff of Russia in 2008 waved an American passport in front of the cameras as evidence ... Do not you find this funny? Especially when the holder of this passport appeared and said that the passport was stolen from him when he was in transit in Moscow. Moreover, he even wrote a statement to the police. wink
                      Well, here is a real video on YouTube with a real scale: Carefully there dushman ..., -Window, -I understand. Well, 100% Americans. I give up, I was wrong. wassat
                      1. +5
                        14 June 2014 12: 53
                        Quote: professor
                        Well, here is a real video on YouTube with a real scale: Carefully there dushman ..., -Window, -I understand. Well, 100% Americans. I give up was wrong


                        that's what psaki life-giving does! (c) (paraphrase)
              2. +5
                14 June 2014 14: 35
                Quote: professor
                "volunteerism" is not required, the presumption of innocence however
                Everything is exactly the opposite. A volunteer fighting on the side of the ukrofashists is much more guilty than a mercenary. The latter fights at least for money, and the former for misanthropic ideas. Therefore, until proven volunteering, they can be called "mercenaries", according to the principle of the presumption of innocence.
                1. -5
                  14 June 2014 14: 38
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  Everything is exactly the opposite. A volunteer fighting on the side of the ukrofashists is much more guilty than a mercenary. The latter fights at least for money, and the former for misanthropic ideas. Therefore, until proven volunteering, they can be called "mercenaries", according to the principle of the presumption of innocence.

                  An interesting theory, however, neither the Criminal Code nor the provisions of the Geneva Convention on Mercenaries share your theory.
                  1. +1
                    14 June 2014 17: 41
                    Quote: professor
                    Geneva Convention on Mercenaries do not share your theory.

                    Geneva Convention generally does not share the use of mercenaries am , so no need to "shaggy grandma" laughing . With respect.
                    1. -1
                      14 June 2014 20: 15
                      Quote: fyvaprold
                      The Geneva Convention generally does not "divide" the use of mercenaries, so there is no need to "shaggy grandma

                      Learn the materiel, everything is written in the convention.

                      Quote: fyvaprold
                      According to the laws of martial law, the presumption of guilt is applied and the "patient" needs to prove his innocence.

                      No ad-libbing. "Laws of wartime" is the very convention.
                      Sincerely
                      1. +2
                        14 June 2014 20: 44
                        Quote: professor
                        No ad-libbing. "Laws of wartime" is the very convention.

                        Explain the procedure for dealing with "volunteers", please! They are probably fed with donuts, before the arrival of the lawyer, and they are sent to the prisoner of war camps only after the decision of the Hague Tribunal is passed? laughing
                        According to the "Rules and Customs of War", volunteering is prohibited and equated to guerrilla warfare, that is, if a captured soldier does not have a document certifying that he is a soldier of one of the opposing armies, then he is put up against the wall, without any "red tape" ... No lawyers and "proofs" are required, therefore, the prisoner must "prove" that he is not a deserter and not a bandit, but a soldier entitled to the status of a prisoner of war, by the way, the uniform must also be present. So no "gag", just about the complex. With respect.
                        PS: "... International humanitarian law (or the law of armed conflicts [3]) does not explicitly prohibit mercenarism, but only says that mercenaries are not combatants and do not have the right to prisoner of war status. This means that the mercenary runs the risk of being involved to criminal responsibility for participation in an armed conflict if captured ... "Quote from Wikipedia. The article "Mercenary".
                      2. -1
                        14 June 2014 20: 52
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        According to the "Rules and Customs of War", volunteering is prohibited and equated to guerrilla warfare, that is, if a captured soldier does not have a document certifying that he is a soldier of one of the opposing armies, then he is put up against the wall, without any "red tape" ...

                        So the war crimes started ... And how beautiful it all began. "According to the laws of wartime." According to your little green men it was necessary immediately to the wall without any "red tape" since "there is no document certifying that he is a fighter of one of the opposing armies." wassat There, by the way, in the convention there is also the fact that it is impossible to fight without identification marks ...
                      3. +2
                        14 June 2014 21: 28
                        Quote: professor
                        So the war crimes started ... And how beautiful it all began. "According to the laws of wartime." According to your little green men it was necessary to go straight to the wall without any "red tape" since "there is no document certifying that he is a fighter of one of the opposing armies." There, by the way, in the convention there is also that it is impossible to fight without identification marks ...

                        Dear, what are you talking about ?! Well, however, the points:
                        1) Russia did not declare war on Ukraine (as well as vice versa), so there are no "war crimes" and could not be, as well as "opposing sides."
                        2) It is forbidden to fight without insignia, to fight, and not to walk in the vicinity of your military unit (who is to blame that Crimea is so small laughing )
                        3) Who should have put the "green men" against the wall? Themselves? They were the ONLY legal military force there, here with sub-clauses:
                        a) The legally elected President of Ukraine fled to Russia "quietly" (by the way, he is the first Donbass refugee laughing )
                        b) Russian troops were in Crimea, in accordance with an interstate agreement, i.e. LEGALLY. (The contract does not specify the personnel by name, therefore, replacing part of the "coastal service" of the Black Sea Fleet with a "spetsura" "Artek" laughing )
                        c) The Ukrainian military in Crimea did not have the right to obey the junta (under the Constitution of Ukraine).
                        For the above, I conclude - you, dear Professor , direct the "shadow over the fence". IMHO. With respect.
                      4. -3
                        14 June 2014 21: 38
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        1) Russia did not declare war on Ukraine (as well as vice versa), so there are no "war crimes" and could not be, as well as "opposing sides."

                        Hitler did not declare war on the USSR either. So there were no war crimes?

                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        2) It is forbidden to fight without insignia, to fight, and not to walk in the vicinity of your military unit (who is to blame that Crimea is so small)

                        The Wehrmacht in the Netherlands also turns out not to have fought, but went out for a walk in the vicinity of its military unit.

                        .... blah, blah, blah ... what kind of Russian troops were in the Crimea? There were none of them. They bought a form in the store, but your MO didn’t hear about the equipment. That's it. And here you are trying to discuss Geneva Conventions. Teach a materiel. hi
                      5. +1
                        14 June 2014 21: 47
                        Quote: professor
                        What kind of Russian troops were in the Crimea?

                        In the Crimea were the forces and means of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy.
                        What about
                        Quote: professor
                        but your MO didn’t hear about technology

                        How do you know? Do you have a relative in our Moscow region (is it really Serdyukov laughing )? about
                        Quote: professor
                        Hitler also did not declare war on the USSR
                        Nonsense, German Ambassador Schulenburg handed Molotov a note on declaring war, which Molotov reported on the radio. Germany attacked without (actually before) declaring war, but still handed the note.
                      6. -2
                        14 June 2014 21: 58
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        In the Crimea were the forces and means of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy.

                        That is not in the Crimea, but in Europe. And Europe is known before the Atlantic. The appearance of green men in Portugal should not surprise anyone since Russia has a base in Europe. laughing

                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        How do you know? Do you have a relative in our Moscow region (is it really Serdyukov)?

                        Read your newspapers and you will know it.
                        Shoigu said that there are no Russian troops in Crimea: complete nonsense
                        lol

                        Shoigu: I have no idea where the Crimean separatists got their armored cars "Tiger" and "Lynx"
                        tongue

                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        Nonsense, German Ambassador Schulenburg handed Molotov a note declaring war,

                        Speech by V. M. Molotov on the radio June 22, 1941
                        Citizens and citizens of the Soviet Union!

                        The Soviet government and its head, comrade Stalin instructed me to make the following statement:

                        Today, at 4 o’clock in the morning, without making any claims to the Soviet Union, without declaring war ...

                        Learn the materiel more thoroughly. hi
                      7. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 16
                        Quote: professor
                        Learn the materiel more thoroughly.

                        I will teach more thoroughly. Follow the link, please.
                        http://forum-antikvariat.ru/topic/158099-%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B7-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8A%D
                        1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B/
                        And the statements of "Shoigu" from the newspapers are not expensive and the presence of the Russian Navy in the Crimea cannot be denied. Newspapers (including Russian ones) write about alien abduction, do you believe that too? Fact is fact, not how the media present it. With respect.
                      8. -1
                        14 June 2014 22: 19
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        Follow the link, please.

                        The war began at what time? Is this a letter? Or did Molotov lie all over the country? Or Shoigu? Or both? wink
                      9. +1
                        14 June 2014 22: 26
                        Quote: professor
                        The war began at what time?

                        I said that they attacked BEFORE the formal declaration, but they still declared war. Molotov did not lie, but by the time of his radio address, he already had the note. You cling to some little things. "Shoigu said ..." and that after his statement the Russian ships disappeared from the radar? You still check my punctuation, and draw a conclusion about my wrongness based on it. With respect.
                      10. +1
                        15 June 2014 02: 26
                        The war was declared (a note was handed) later than its actual start (aggression), which means that Molotov told the truth: they attacked WITHOUT ANNOUNCEMENT of war.
                      11. 0
                        14 June 2014 21: 55
                        Quote: professor
                        The Wehrmacht in the Netherlands also turns out not to have fought, but went out for a walk in the vicinity of its military unit.

                        So YES, you are absolutely right, the way Holland "fought" was practically not a war, the Germans got lost, and the Dutch got cold feet. That was how it was. You also had a relative at Hitler's headquarters that you were aware of the details laughing? With respect.
                      12. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 06
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        So YES, you are absolutely right, the way Holland "fought" was practically not a war, the Germans got lost, and the Dutch got cold feet.

                        Maybe so, only then the stray in Nuremberg were tried and even hanged some. And the Netherlands they remembered ... what
                      13. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 18
                        Quote: professor
                        Maybe so, only then the stray in Nuremberg were tried and even hanged some. And the Netherlands they remembered ...

                        Hanged for aggression against Holland? Do not distort the facts. With respect.
                      14. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 22
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        Hanged for aggression against Holland? Do not distort the facts.

                        For a walk in the Netherlands too. Will we read the protocols?

                        Good night. hi
                      15. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 35
                        Quote: professor
                        For a walk in the Netherlands too.

                        Holland only "pulled" on soap for a rope laughing . We’ll probably leave the protocols for the next time. Good night hi . With respect.
                      16. 0
                        14 June 2014 22: 26
                        Quote: professor
                        Hitler did not declare war on the USSR either.

                        prof, and this is exactly you?
                        Can your changer mess?

                        well taak fuck the real professor could not

                        RECORDING A TALK BETWEEN RIBBENTROP AND THE SOVIET AMBASSADOR TO BERLIN DECANOZOV June 22, 1941 at 4 a.m.(Berlin time (allocated by me)) Chancellery of the Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs The Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs began the conversation by remarking that the hostile attitude of the Soviet government towards Germany and the serious threat that Germany sees in the concentration of Russians [troops] on Germany’s eastern border forced the Reich to take military countermeasures.

                        http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/1387554

                        something you recently ...
                      17. -1
                        15 June 2014 08: 26
                        Quote: Rider
                        RECORDING A TALK BETWEEN RIBBENTROP AND THE SOVIET AMBASSADOR TO BERLIN DECANOZOV June 22, 1941 at 4 a.m.

                        And at this time, the Nazi bombers were bombing back to the West.

                        Well, yes, the declaration of war went retroactively, just like the Federation Council retroactively allowed Putin to use troops in Ukraine while the green people were running all over the Simferopol airport.
                        And Hitler began the war without warning, without declaring it, treacherously, etc., as mentioned in his speech by the official Molotov. This is the materiel.
                      18. +1
                        15 June 2014 08: 43
                        Quote: professor
                        And Hitler began the war without warning, without declaring it, treacherously, etc., as mentioned in his speech by the official Molotov. This is the materiel

                        Dear Professor, please be so kind, tell me, when was the last time the United States began to bomb when it was declared, they declared a warrior? I will be grateful wink
                      19. 0
                        15 June 2014 11: 06
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Dear Professor, be so kind as to tell me when

                        Sanya, do not substitute.
                        the first "Desert Storm" they seem to have named the day of the beginning of Achtunga in a month.
                        but then they STILL acted in the legal field of the UN, remember there, such as resolution, type coalition, type sanction, and blah blah blah.

                        although they blessed Saddam to invade Kuwait.
                        (same as Kaiser shaving on the French. in 1MB
                        continuity, however)

                        but basically you're right, MORE they didn’t allow themselves that (well, such as observing international norms and laws).
                        finally the Serbs were unmasked without sanctions, and then the star raced over the bumps.

                        so only tyrannies and authoritarian regimes are forced to defend and comply with international laws.
                        true democracies do not bother with this.

                        how is it ... uh,
                        gentlemen come up with the rules when they (the rules) stop making them, gentlemen change the rules.

                        the situation with the Russian embassy in ruin is direct proof of this.


                        Fuuuhh barely overpowered runoff bukaf.
                        many thoughts, but after yesterday's forces, on the contrary ...

                        pichalka
                      20. -2
                        15 June 2014 11: 19
                        forgive me, but you have cognitive dissonance.

                        Are you a psychiatrist or psychologist?

                        you brought the FACTS that you were wrong

                        No, I was not mistaken. Hitler attacked the USSR without declaring war. This is a historical fact. The retroactive declaration of war does not change this fact.

                        and since Russia and Ukraine are not yet at war, then, accordingly, she did not commit any war crimes.

                        The fact that America did not declare war on Sddam, did not call the ambassador and did not hand him a note, or did not do the same with the Lebanese ambassador in 1982 does not mean that she did not wage war on these countries. The same is with Russia. Green men (of course, militias wink ) did not seize the infrastructure of a neighboring state, did not block its HF, and did not shoot its military. All these are glitches and side effects of sniffing glue by me. The moment and, as a result, cognitive dissonance. Moreover, glue is sniffing most countries in the world. wassat

                        Krymnash promised not to discuss. No more falling off, I promise. soldier
                      21. +1
                        15 June 2014 11: 35
                        Quote: professor
                        No, I was not mistaken. Hitler attacked the USSR without declaring war. This is a historical fact. Retroactive declaration of war does not change this fact

                        Hitler attacked the USSR without declaring war - FACT
                        a declaration of war followed two hours later - FACT
                        therefore link the lack of a declaration of war at the outbreak of hostilities with
                        Hitler did not declare war on the USSR either. So there were no war crimes?

                        and there is that very cognitive dis..sos..us..nys (pah word you say hfig)
                        all the more justifying (or explaining) this by the actual time difference between Moscow and Berlin

                        about KRYMNASH (just like that, and with a capital letter) I agree - say nothing.
                        moreover, with the advent of the Nazis to power, to call Ukraine a state as a language does not turn out.
                        and consider Crimea Vukrainsky ...

                        (and really tie with glue, well, or go to dichlorvos)

                        wassat
                      22. 0
                        15 June 2014 11: 35
                        Quote: Rider
                        the first "Desert Storm" they seem to have named the day of the beginning of Achtunga in a month.

                        Yes, but the USA did not declare war on Iraq. The only case when they started to bomb, after the declaration of war was 2MB, in the case of Japan, Germany declared the first US war.
                        The question is different - is the bombing of an Iranian nuclear center by the Israelis a war crime, without a declaration of war, without a common border, under the pretext of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, which Israel itself "snatched" without frowning? laughing . With respect.
                      23. +1
                        15 June 2014 11: 42
                        Quote: fyvaprold
                        The question is whether the bombing of the Iranian nuclear center by Israelis is a war crime.

                        determine what is a war crime and what is not, usually winners.
                        should the Second World War go differently, then starvation of your 6th army, the Germans must have put the jidobolshevik regime in the list of crimes.

                        and to whom Israel declared war there, one must ask the professional.
                        they regularly "democrate" Palestine, and with or without an announcement, Barrukh is the message.

                        However, the same democracy when they were worried about these issues?
                        there are fascists in ruins and from cities in cities, and phosphorus bombs and NOTHING
                        the "world community" approves ...
                      24. +1
                        15 June 2014 10: 53
                        Quote: professor
                        Well, yes, the declaration of war went retroactively,

                        forgive me, but you have cognitive dissonance.
                        your desire to somehow mess up Russia, prevents you from thinking logically and you begin to make annoying mistakes and mistakes.

                        You have stated that:

                        Hitler did not declare war on the USSR either.
                        you brought the FACTS that you were wrong
                        then
                        Speech by V. M. Molotov on the radio June 22, 1941
                        ...
                        Today, at 4 a.m. without presenting any claims to the Soviet Union, without declaring war ...
                        Learn the materiel more thoroughly.

                        and so, the hostilities REALLY began without a declaration of war, which followed a little later (I knowingly took the time)
                        so that in this matter you are also CONSCIOUSLY misleading the people.
                        (and just lying)

                        well, for the "green men"
                        Vascheto Russia could even enter a division there, because the quantitative limit on the presence of troops (for as long as I remember 20 people was not exceeded)

                        and since Russia and Ukraine are not yet at war, then, accordingly, she did not commit any war crimes.
                        (unlike the Nazis, both past and present)
                        or can you give the FACTS?

                        I advise when drawing up answers to discard emotions (well, there to smoke, drink some tea), otherwise lately you have become unlike yourself.

                        make TAAAK misses


                        pick yourself an adequate changer.

                        wink
                2. +1
                  14 June 2014 17: 37
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  according to the principle of the presumption of innocence.

                  According to the laws of martial law, the presumption of guilt is applied and the "patient" needs to prove his innocence. A volunteer is a non-combatant who entered the service in regular units not under the pressure of any law, but on personal initiative. If this "amer" has a Ukrainian military ID, then he is a volunteer, if not, then he is generally a non-combatant (read partisan) and with him, when caught, you can do something that is even disgusting to talk about. With respect.
          2. +1
            14 June 2014 12: 57
            Quote: professor
            Volunteer, dear, for that matter. Mercenary must be proved.

            Is logical. Only in relation to Russia does not need to prove anything. Yes?
        2. 0
          14 June 2014 17: 21
          Quote: Rider
          watch from 2: 30-3: 00

          And here is the video:
      4. +1
        14 June 2014 10: 48
        Quote: professor
        in the "American" was killed at all

        Well, you are aware that American English is somewhat different from the language of the historical homeland! Although the author certainly lit up!
      5. +2
        14 June 2014 11: 25
        Quote: professor
        ... well, the pearl about those who speak "American" was killed. I am fluent in English and do not always recognize an English accent ...
        I speak English poorly, but I distinguish the Englishman from the American in pronunciation. This is roughly like a Khokhlyatsky surzhik and a correct Russian. Do not be so arrogant. You minus not for knowledge, but for pronunciation.
        P.S. I watched the program "Top gear" once. So the presenter (sipaty) humorously said the phrase that now it’s the same, but in American "in the nose". I don't remember the word.
        1. -6
          14 June 2014 11: 59
          Quote: fevg
          I speak English poorly, but I distinguish the Englishman from the American in pronunciation.

          Do not be so sure. If you are engaged in listening for half an hour, then you may be lucky, and if a couple of phrases on YouTube, then you are unlikely to be lucky.

          Quote: fevg
          This is roughly like a Khokhlyatsky surzhik and a correct Russian.

          We are sure that at least somehow you know English. wink
          1. +4
            14 June 2014 12: 16
            Quote: professor
            We are sure that at least somehow you know English

            Professor, we have 150 million in our country and no one casts doubt on this video, even all sorts of buzz. Only one person from Israel says that this is crap.
            By the way, professor, I didn’t see you yesterday at a site. We went to gay parade wink
            1. -4
              14 June 2014 12: 23
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Professor, we have 150 million in our country and no one casts doubt on this video, even all sorts of buzz. Only one person from Israel says that this is crap.

              What are you doing? I will collect such videos of the struggle with the souls in Mariupol.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              By the way, professor, I didn’t see you yesterday at a site. We went to gay parade

              There were 100 thousand people without me, but with gays in the crush and crowd I don’t risk lighting ... wassat


              PS
              But is it not yours?
              1. +1
                14 June 2014 12: 28
                Quote: professor
                but with gays in a crush and crowd I don’t risk lighting ..


                ..........................
                ..........................

                good

                wink

                PS: you collect photos / videos very selectively
              2. +6
                14 June 2014 12: 31
                Quote: professor
                But is it not yours?

                Judging by the flags, yes, two of ours and 99 of yours wassat
                1. -2
                  14 June 2014 12: 38
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Judging by the flags, yes, two of ours and 99 of yours

                  Nah, there were 70 thousand of us there since there were 30 thousand tourists. laughing

                  Quote: Rider
                  PS: you collect photos / videos very selectively

                  I collect more and more tanks, and this is in Google.
                  1. +3
                    14 June 2014 13: 05
                    Quote: professor
                    Nah, there were 70 thousand of us since there were 30 thousand tourists

                    You are well informed, as I understand it, you were there after all. Traded tickets laughing
                    1. -1
                      14 June 2014 13: 34
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      You are well informed, as I understand it, you were there after all. Traded tickets

                      I watched the news yesterday. Such an event on a normal day would be event number one, fortunately other news has pushed it into the background. By the way, the event is free. As the saying goes, a group business is voluntary ...

                      Quote: Rider
                      and you will do the professorship:
                      what "ours"? !!!
                      hde passports?
                      you never know hto fly
                      Can they be in protest?

                      Let there be ours (well, provocateurs), while they do not touch me, I am neither cold nor hot from these parades. hi
                      1. +3
                        14 June 2014 16: 52
                        Quote: professor
                        I watched the news yesterday.

                        You are surrounded by perverts, 100 on the streets, on TV and probably someone from your neighbors wink
                        Mmmmmmm ... my condolences. They will come to you with offers of friendship and love, stay with your best efforts, do not indulge in pleasures. Remember, a woman is better than a flat hairy chest laughing
                      2. -4
                        14 June 2014 17: 47
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You are surrounded by perverts, 100 on the streets, on TV and probably someone from your neighbors

                        The number of people prone to homosexuality is the same throughout the world, about 10% of the population. So someone from your neighbors considers you as ... well, you understand. wink

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        .Will come to you with offers of friendship and love, hold on to your last strength, do not indulge in persuasion.

                        Yes, I can handle it somehow. Here I advise you not to get into your places not so distant. Experienced people say that they do all kinds of dirty tricks with men ... wassat
                      3. +4
                        14 June 2014 17: 52
                        Quote: professor
                        Yes, I can handle it somehow. Here I advise you not to get into your places not so distant. Experienced people say that they do all kinds of dirty tricks with men ...

                        I'm afraid that your "experienced" are no longer "muzhichin" laughing . Otherwise, how do they know? laughing . With respect.
                2. +4
                  14 June 2014 12: 57
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Judging by the flags, yes, two of ours

                  and you will do the professorship:
                  what "ours"? !!!
                  hde passports?
                  you never know hto fly
                  Can they be in protest?

                  wink
                  1. +3
                    14 June 2014 13: 06
                    Quote: Rider
                    and you will do the professorship

                    Yes, why and so it is understood Gays Israel, Gays democracy-Urrraaaaaaaaa good
  22. +6
    14 June 2014 08: 51
    Mariupolites as well as Odessa residents showed their true face, cowards and insignificance. But if you were to be killed in packs by the Nazis, it will be so. The dirty tricks-slaves were slaves and remained
    1. 0
      14 June 2014 11: 28
      Once the Russians conquered the Wild Field from the Turks, called it Novorossiya, and their ancestors settled and: "my house is from the edge." Descendants are no better.
  23. +1
    14 June 2014 09: 09
    The main thing is that in absenteeism sitting on the z.o.p. do not count ... But maybe, and fat to give the cherons couches. Let us live !!! Thanks to the new authorities! B.L.Ya ...
  24. +5
    14 June 2014 09: 28
    The last photo in the article is very typical, and especially the caption under it, did not know that showing the middle finger people greet each other. The position of local residents puzzled me a lot - self-defense appears - they help her, punishers come, help them, moreover, voluntarily, the police keep order at the same time. On the way - for the inhabitants this show, the local "Maddom-2", are waiting for Putin with troops, and What if the tanks break the asphalt, the soldiers destroy their gardens, and the planes scare the chickens? I imagine that during the Second World War, the partisan took a day off to derail the train, and everyone knows about it, including the Nazis in that train. A very strange confrontation, more like double-dealing. I think the locals will not wake up even when their favorite factories are closed, but people will want to be resettled as "separatists"
    1. +3
      14 June 2014 09: 32
      Quote: Gray 43
      The last photo in the article is very characteristic, and especially the signature under it, did not know that showing the middle finger people greet each other.

      This is the main evidence of American mercenaries, Russians (people who grew up on Russian culture, including Ukrainians) show a muzzle. wassat
    2. UFO
      +3
      14 June 2014 09: 44
      The "trick" is that even refugees say: "OUR government" is bombing us, "OUR army" is killing us, etc. belay
      The devils who seized power in Kiev, the National Guards, the right sector, various "Alphas", Spenaz, who became punitive for them - OUR !!!
      What is there to talk about request
  25. 0
    14 June 2014 09: 37
    in ukraine it will always be so - as in the movies "the power has changed again"
  26. +1
    14 June 2014 09: 41
    Yesterday there was a report from the Rostov region, a demonstration of refugees. There are quite a few men among the demonstrators.
  27. +1
    14 June 2014 09: 43
    I believe that this is the main problem, 80% of the southeast, neither for the junta nor for the rebels, they are for the 3rd and the most numerous side of the conflict called "my hut is on the edge" And this happened due to the fact that all 23 years people (especially in the southeast) were deceived, and everything about the western (yusch) and the most important and offensive about the "Russian" yanyk. People there do not believe ANYTHING and ANYONE, and for a long time! I know what I'm talking about for 20 years I lived there
    1. UFO
      +1
      14 June 2014 09: 58
      And your own head e? Do they read HISTORY there? Have the ancestors of the grave been preserved? negative
  28. ed65b
    +3
    14 June 2014 09: 47
    In Mariupol, in fact, there really was no militia, there were no blocs or interaction with the city authorities, there was nothing at all. I somehow never bet on this city. I won’t be surprised if, after the punitive has left, the militia will again seize the next headquarters and sit in it creating an imitation of violent activity until the next punitive arrival, then they will shoot and they will all run all over again.
    1. +3
      14 June 2014 11: 03
      Quote: ed65b
      there were no blocks or interaction with city authorities


      Please note that the leadership of Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk, but not Mariupol, is constantly mentioned.
      He fell out primarily politically somehow. There are some reasons.
      1. ed65b
        0
        14 June 2014 11: 59
        Quote: OPTR
        Quote: ed65b
        there were no blocks or interaction with city authorities


        Please note that the leadership of Slavyansk, Donetsk, Lugansk, but not Mariupol, is constantly mentioned.
        He fell out primarily politically somehow. There are some reasons.

        There are reasons, Strelkov went the wrong way.
    2. +2
      14 June 2014 12: 34
      Quote: ed65b
      In Mariupol, in fact, there really was no militia

      IMHO.I want to remind you that actions that it is desirable to give loud publicity, Kiev always conducts on Fridays. Why - no need to explain. Since the results of the ATO Svidomites and their owners are unhappy, maybe, they decided to make a sort of show, so they went to Mariupol, knowing for sure that they simply would not be able to provide resistance there due to the small number and inexperience. At least take something! Plus Lyashko promoted with his Azov battalion. And all this on Friday evening on - line political talk shows with Shuster and Kiselev.
      By the way, something similar happened on the Maidan. When, it seems, Nuland brought money in cash (for some next Maidan buch for the opening of the Sochi Olympics) and gave it to the then Maidan commandant Parubiy, he successfully healed this money, for which he received a chomp ... And then he was forced to organize a campaign of the Maydauns from the limits of the Maidan around the perimeter to the Rada under some idiotic pretext. All the magazines worked, people died, but Parubiy, putting on bulletproof vests, camouflage and helmets, showed that he did not steal money, but spent it Although I lost confidence, Avakov was appointed in his place, but all this was needed in order to show the owner that money is not being stolen. (source Vladimir Rogov, Slavyanskaya Gvardiya, Zaporozhye, video "The Wrong Side of Euromaidan", film 1,2,3).
  29. +15
    14 June 2014 09: 48
    Guys! What would you like! If VVP itself "respects the choice of the Ukrainian people", then what do you want from the inhabitants? Poroshenko is beginning to be perceived by the population as power, and yet another wave of discontent will ripen due to the sharp deterioration in the socio-economic situation of the population. But the development of discontent into active performances presupposes the presence of active, uncompromising leaders. And also an active position of Russia is needed. And generally speaking! Only women and children should be accepted as refugees! Guys to their homeland. Help to those who are ready to fight with equipment and volunteers to increase (after we have won off the money for gas) at times. Russia cannot allow the appearance of another Russophobic state on its border. It cannot allow a pro-American government through and through.
  30. +10
    14 June 2014 09: 49
    Most of those who “shouted about the introduction of troops” did not want to “save the Ukrainians,” but thought about Russia's geopolitical interests. Yes, we need Eastern Ukraine, we need it to ensure the interests of our homeland in this region. And the fact that Ukraine is a swamp, I have been writing from the moment I appeared on this site. Mariupol is, in fact, a resort town. And in such places, a significant part of the population gets used to living at the expense of vacationers. And such a parasitic, in fact, way of life gives rise to a corresponding attitude to the world around us - let it all burn out, if only my little world with the gesheft was not touched. Do you think there are few of them in Crimea? The "polite people" just came and did everything for them! And now it is infa that in some schools of the Crimea and even at the university (among Russian children!) Propaganda of the ideas of Ukrainian nationalism is being carried out, and even there were students' actions "against the seizure of Crimea." In general, Ukraine is a place where the world government is conducting an experiment to implement the future world order. The main goal is to see how the people will react to the following things: power and the righteousness of force, the suppression of any dissent, the destruction of the disobedient by any means, an absolute lie in the media. All this happened - both in Germany and in the USSR, but on a different scale (not world) and with a different state of the nation. They needed to know how the consumer society they had raised would react. I think the excrement is almost a success.
    1. UFO
      0
      14 June 2014 10: 04
      Quote: samuil60
      Do you think there are few of them in Crimea? The "polite people" just came and did everything for them! And now it is infa that in some schools of the Crimea and even at the university (among Russian children!) Propaganda of the ideas of Ukrainian nationalism is being carried out, and even there were students' actions "against the seizure of Crimea."

      That’s for sure, and in the Southeast we’ll get IT many times more if we go in there. So far, there are more minuses than pluses, and GDP really knows the situation. No need to jump into the well until it fell asleep.
  31. +17
    14 June 2014 09: 53
    Putin will come - will restore order!
  32. +1
    14 June 2014 09: 54
    Quote: sv68
    Mariupolites as well as Odessa residents showed their true face, cowards and insignificance. But if you were to be killed in packs by the Nazis, it will be so. The dirty tricks-slaves were slaves and remained

    Look how it is, in this statement of yours there is a very concentrated representation of the views of the representatives of the current capitalist society in Russia, When they liberated the left-bank Ukraine from the Nazis, they did not play the bottle, we will liberate this city, but we will not, everyone was liberated, and Lviv is And let's go further, your opinion is the opinion of the townsfolk, the same khataskrayniks, who do not understand that Russia needs Ukraine first of all as a buffer zone, and only then everything else, it’s amazing to observe such a misunderstanding on the military website, maybe this is an indicator of the training of the current military?
  33. +5
    14 June 2014 09: 55
    By the way, Donbass continues to transfer taxes to Kiev in full. And he’s not going to change anything yet. So the Russian Federation has not yet recognized anyone.
  34. yurik
    +1
    14 June 2014 10: 06
    Quote: ALEKS419
    After the Mariupol events, I come to the conclusions. The population of this city is violet to live under what authority. The League didn’t shoot. It’s not worth talking about any patriotism.

    So, Kiev can be a similar example when the active mass of 5 thousand people completely captured this millionaire, what can we say about Mariupol. Yes, the bulk of the urban population is amorphous civilians, but in order to protect Mariupol it was possible to gather a couple of hundred fighters in the DPR, there was nothing to arm them with, Russia doesn’t help them with serious weapons, instructors and finances, as a result we have this result, how can you fight alone against ukrofashites submachine guns and karamultukov times WWII
  35. +6
    14 June 2014 10: 08
    Natsiks are cowards capable of only minor marauding attacks and artillery shelling.
    As for the "huge foreheads" smoking on the sidelines, then it becomes incomprehensible and insulting. Invaders came to YOUR land, and you calmly watch how your city is being destroyed, is it really possible?
    1. 0
      15 June 2014 12: 01
      Quote: Russian_Bear
      Natsiks are cowards capable of only minor marauding attacks and artillery shelling.

      Your words, yes to God in the ears. I am afraid that you are mistaken, 20 years of training in various "pioneer camps" with NATO instructors could not pass in vain. The fact that now there is complete "confusion and vacillation" in South-East, as I see it, is the "cunning plan" of the junta. Firstly, they get rid of the pravosek (who do not even think about disarming) using them as "cannon fodder", and secondly, the surviving provosek will be discredited by the lack of visible results, and the Ukrainians are waging the war very competently. In Slavyansk, almost the entire infrastructure of life support has been destroyed - there is no light, no water, it remains to smash the sewers so that shit can flow through the streets and wait a couple of weeks and the city will not fall under fire, but from an epidemic. Thirdly, the Ukrainians, it seems to me, with their "ridiculous" attempts, lull the vigilance, inspire a feeling of "euphoria and invincibility" to the militia, which is not good when "really" not the right-wing people start to fight, but the fighters trained and trained by NATO instructors " trident "and UNA-UNSO, which, by the way, have combat experience. So, the more Ukrainians "screw up", the more vigilant the militia should be. IMHO. With respect.
      1. +1
        15 June 2014 12: 08
        Quote: fyvaprold
        I'm afraid you're mistaken

        fortunately you are mistaken.
        a combat-ready army in Ukraine is absent as a class.
        and to smash the city into rubble, not afraid to get an adequate answer, a lot of skill is not needed.
        they have practically no aviation left.

        the top of their "victories" can be called a raid on Mariupol.
        breaking off in Slavyansk, they decided to "raise the victory flush" over the city which was defended by 40-50 people

        the Nazis have nothing to plan for millet due to lack of mosquito.
        it is replaced by orders from the State Department.
        1. +1
          15 June 2014 12: 27
          here by the way confirmation http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/245752-razvedgruppa-79-y-aeromobilnoy-briga
          dy-vzyataya-v-plen.html


          if it’s intelligence of the Airborne Forces, then I am a Spanish pilot.

          they picked up everyone who came to hand, thrust a machine gun, gave a tattered lump. and voila - SEISNAZ, ELITE, mother
          and their flyers who are falling in packs from the sky, this is how one should lose their qualifications in order to be shot down by MILES who have practically no air defense means
          only recently have our guerrillas begun to throw arrows.

          here they are warriors.
          1. 0
            15 June 2014 12: 41
            Yeah. The soldiers, of course, are notable. Just do not understand, nah.rena undress them, is this a "fetish" or what? There is nowhere to break them morally. With respect.
        2. 0
          15 June 2014 12: 28
          Quote: Rider
          fortunately you are mistaken.

          God forbid. In this case, I will only be glad to be mistaken. I just proceeded from the most negative possible scenario, if I unreasonably "exaggerate", then I will repeat myself - I will only be glad to be mistaken. With respect.
          1. +1
            15 June 2014 12: 57
            Quote: fyvaprold
            In this case, I will only be glad to make a mistake. I simply proceeded from the most negative of possible scenarios

            the most negative scenario is the pulling of Russia into the wilderness, the introduction of NATO forces into ruin, and the direct confrontation of two military vehicles.
            In this case, we old men will have to tear off the jops from the sofa and put on a harness.

            and the end of humanity as a species is not at all buzzing.

            I advise you to go to the named site more often, it gives quite robust analytics, and in real time.

            and yes, stripping, just psychological breakdown is what the doctor ordered. (well, don’t cut off their heads)
            a feeling of DEFENSE is invested in the Moscow fighter, because subconsciously the man has "no pants - not a fighter"
            but without shoes and not a runner.
            spirits so broke at times
            for them without pants, worse than without a head.
            see the partisans have a knowledgeable people

            very effective tactics.
            1. +1
              15 June 2014 13: 31
              Quote: Rider
              the most negative scenario is the pulling of Russia into the wilderness, the introduction of NATO forces into ruin, and the direct confrontation of two military vehicles.

              You can’t argue with that. But I had in mind the scenario for SE, not Russia.
              Quote: Rider
              sense of insecurity

              It is also true, but these fighters before the "spirits" (by the way, they were stripped naked and their hands were tied behind their backs so that they could not cover their shame) like cancer to Beijing, there is nowhere to break them, and IMHO too much, they are already ready for the militia to "make a mouthful nice "(sorry for being rude), this is how they managed to get captured, in such a crowd, having only one lightly wounded. Not otherwise from great "courage". Thanks for the link. With respect.
  36. +2
    14 June 2014 10: 12
    A lot of questions in the article, instead of answers.

    It must be understood that the east of Ukraine is pro-Russian and it cannot be different. And Mariupol is located away from the center of the confrontation.

    Well, what a tragedy Lyashko's punishers came running, attacked the militias and fled.
    Well, Taruta came to Mariupol to manage the Donetsk region, for how long.

    Punishers are still under Donetsk and Lugansk, and here we are talking about Mariupol.

    A no-fly zone above the center of confrontation is almost entered, the borders are open, then you need to get hold of heavy military equipment.
    1. +1
      14 June 2014 10: 31
      Then exhaust the enemy and then, not like Mariupol and Novorosiyyu, it will be possible to liberate Kiev.
  37. +10
    14 June 2014 10: 15
    Late already grandmother ..
  38. sim6
    -22
    14 June 2014 10: 16
    Cops - that’s the evil that needs to be changed by the whole composition, they surrendered the city to the separatists, opened weapons and so on, now they didn’t show themselves during the sweep, like we are neutral, but how to get our cops and pensions, so with. uki Ukraine must pay and pays them! I can’t understand why, I immediately cut off the financing for traitors. Let the DNR pay them with cereals and pasta, as pensioners in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk
    1. UFO
      +4
      14 June 2014 10: 26
      Who did you call "separatists"? Where you live yourself: because of such fucks, there is no one to help THERE!
    2. +3
      14 June 2014 10: 53
      If the militias are separatists, then who are the Svidomo? And what will you call the militias when they will liberate Kiev?
  39. dFG
    +4
    14 June 2014 10: 19
    dill shame))) and who here demanded the introduction of troops? and talked about plum ?? there was nothing to merge there was one r ... but now there would already be a lot of ideological dill guerrillas who would shoot Russian soldiers in the back and put mines ..... GDP is still right that it didn’t put the army there) now time put everything in its place
    1. +5
      14 June 2014 11: 03
      ..and who here demanded the introduction of troops? and talked about plum ??
      Someone from a pure heart, from indignation and hatred of the fascist Bandera. And someone, unfortunately, for other reasons ....
      1. 0
        14 June 2014 11: 20
        So go to the Maidan, and do not disgrace the whole country!
      2. +1
        14 June 2014 11: 34
        Quote: Palladium900
        Someone from a pure heart, from indignation and hatred of the fascist Bandera. And someone, unfortunately, for other reasons


        http://oko-planet.su/finances/financesnews/245674-es-vydelil-ukraine-transh-v-25

        0-mln-evro-dlya-provedeniya-reform.html


        Comment No. 4
        Ukrainians bring "actors" to Moscow to simulate support for the Kiev junta


        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/165/hgni323.jpg


        I’ll add: I knew that the photo will not be inserted (no, it’s terrible), but you will find the link.

        and yet, in my opinion, these women are relatives, they are very (equally scary) muzzles
        1. Beloborodov
          +9
          14 June 2014 11: 52
          It seems to have passed ...
      3. +3
        14 June 2014 11: 58
        "And they eat Russian bacon!"
        I don’t understand, if it’s so bad here, if you are unbearable from the Putin regime, then what are they doing in Russia? A different scenario is obtained if this matinee is paid by someone. The fee is known, only 30 pieces of silver (the course is constantly changing).
      4. +2
        14 June 2014 14: 30
        This is what I did not understand ..... another gay parade ??
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  40. +2
    14 June 2014 10: 22
    It should be a shame to the peasants of the southeast. But on the other hand it’s not for us to judge. Maybe they want to live in Ukraine. As they say, you won’t help yourself, nor will anyone help. Putin is doing the right thing by not introducing troops. First, let the population of the southeast decide on whose side they are and what they want.
  41. genybra
    +15
    14 June 2014 10: 26
    First, Odessa - a lot of time has passed, no resistance has been organized, the townsfolk have come to terms with a terrible crime. And silence...
    Now Mariupol - in fact, is no longer the Kiev patrimony. And again the same thing. Complete inaction of 99% of the population.

    The conclusion is simple - the complete loss of self-identity and a sense of national and cultural identity among the Russian-speaking Southeast.
    40 million ordinary people who do not care who will be in power.
    A perfectly sane Ukrainian from the central part of the country:
    "-No, everything is fine with us. Pensions are paid, there is electricity and gas (!!!), there are food in the stores too, the variety is not the same, but the main thing is there.
    - Listen, what if the Russian is banned ?.
    - Hmmm. Well what to do ... Survive
    - Listen, what if Russia introduces troops?
    - Well, okay, we are kind of fraternal peoples ...
    - Damn, what if the war? Will you go to the army?
    - Nooooo, why? (genuinely surprised). I'll go to Canada ... "

    The curtain. The performance titled "The Great Ukrainian Nation" ends with a silent scene, as in the Inspector General.

    Comrades, I further proclaim officially cries about the entry of our troops into Ukraine as stupid or provocative.

    Best regards
    1. +6
      14 June 2014 11: 14
      Quote: genybra
      Comrades, I further proclaim officially cries about the entry of our troops into Ukraine as stupid or provocative.


      very
      sensible
      proposal
      .
      1. Beloborodov
        0
        14 June 2014 11: 54
        From time immemorial Russians stood for their land. Or is it not our land?
        1. 0
          14 June 2014 13: 31
          Quote: Beloborodov
          From time immemorial Russians stood for their land. Or is it not our land?

          Well, the Mariupol people don’t want to stand for their land

          or is it not their land?

          or are they not Russian?
          1. raf
            +1
            14 June 2014 20: 57
            They are dill pops!
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    3. 0
      14 June 2014 15: 11
      Quote: genybra
      Comrades, I further proclaim officially cries about the entry of our troops into Ukraine as stupid or provocative.

      I do not agree with you. The situation shows that ALL Ukraine can be taken with bare hands. Well in Galicia there will be temporary problems. So it was already in the 40s and 50s. Overcome.
      1. 0
        14 June 2014 15: 25
        Quote: Sergei Medvedev
        Well in Galicia there will be temporary problems. So it was already in the 40s and 50s. Overcame.


        really?
        and where did the current ukronatsiki come from, if we overcame them in the 40-50s?

        Fascism is like pediculosis; the patient himself should be interested in its cure first of all, and only then those around him.
    4. +2
      14 June 2014 15: 19
      Quote: genybra
      Odessa - a lot of time has passed, no resistance has been organized, the townsfolk have come to terms with a terrible crime. And silence..

      no, they have not reconciled. Recently there have been 40 days, so these Euro-Maidans didn’t go specifically to Kulikovo. They did not pay tribute to the lamps, for them the hero was only the one who died in Greek from provocateurs ...
      So these are individuals who accidentally find themselves in the city.
      In addition, the city regularly demands the truth, though Kiev is actively trying to hush up but too many relatives, friends, and other acquaintances among the victims. We demand it ourselves and no one is harnessing an international investigation for us.
      In addition, if you demand a reaction like a rebellious uprising, I remind you that on May 2, provocateurs provoked hatred of the supporters of the Russian Federation. And so wait to demand an uprising, when despair prevails over the self-murder of one's own people - it's kind of strange. Although they acted correctly here - they staged a massacre, shifted the blame onto the townspeople, went a guilt complex, destroyed the resistance (Davidchenko's arrest) and threw mud at the very idea of ​​"RF" in the sense that no RF would ever help, and if it helps the same as in the east (murder and war)
      Something like this (the latter is very clearly read in the comments on any unrest in the city - they say they burned a little? Do you want bombing?)
      If in Odessa it was the same as in the DPR, there would be no help from where to wait. The border with Transnistria was prepared in advance much better than the eastern one. Railway contacts were chopped off. The city was prepared in advance to stifle any opportunity. And blocked for six months so that no help would come. Even the very idea was killed.
      Here in VO tradition, they captured Kiev - a shame on Kiev, off the list of heroes' cities .. Captured Nikolaev - a shame, Mariupol - a shame, In Odessa they burned - a shame, out of heroes .. Is that what? Divan command distribution of shame? Or a committee for the destruction of the titles of cities of heroes of the USSR?
      1. +1
        14 June 2014 17: 08
        The gods do not burn pots.
  42. +4
    14 June 2014 10: 38
    He looked at the capture of the Mariupol militia checkpoint. Guys stood with hunting rifles !!!! Of course I respect them, but it would be better to stand with slingshots, the effect is the same. They call people into action, people come, so what? To fight with Izhevsk and tozovka ?, no, I understand that you can also rush to a tank with a saber to create a legend, but the tank doesn’t care about it. Miserable help will not help, people looking at these events understand ... yes, I don’t even want to write about it.
  43. +8
    14 June 2014 10: 51
    Mariupol residents!
    Keep calm! They will hang you THEN!
  44. 0
    14 June 2014 10: 52
    The massacre continues .. But if it is not put out it can go on for decades.!
  45. +3
    14 June 2014 11: 01
    I didn’t understand what had happened. A weak garrison knocked out the militias and it’s impossible to win the war all the time and you don’t lose somewhere, but I don’t understand what the police did that on May 9th they should have been the first to go into battle (they are killed and they FSU ... bench press bench) they cordoned off the area, cool damn ... !!! and in the city there are so many healthy men where are they? At home they sat huddled up to the mom's or wife’s pussy that they forgot what May 9 was. I understand this is a betrayal, but for the betrayal in wartime
  46. +1
    14 June 2014 11: 10
    In Gorlovka, the squabs on the "dryers" have just been smashed with rockets from the Gorlovka police station, kaptit fiercely. 3 corpses and 2 small children are dead, at least in my eyes.
    And all these 5 corpses are civilians who went to work ...
    > The sound of two dryers woke up most, after which a volley of missiles, the most offensive - that the phone was not at hand, everything was somehow fast ...

    Now it will be like that. I think the UN is constantly silent Russia, too .. (draft sluggish slaughter) the population flees the territory is freed ..
  47. +2
    14 June 2014 11: 13
    Quote: dfg
    GDP is still right that it didn’t put the army there


    I see that the tactics of some forces have changed. I think this is a purposeful move.
    If anyone remembers, Gorbachev’s comrade-in-arms, Mr. Yakovlev, boasted about how he had fooled people into calling for a return to Leninist principles. They walked under the guise of true Leninists, then under the guise of true social democrats.
    Now they are disguised as true patriots, demanding immediate proof of patriotism by the introduction of troops. Tactics have some success with the masses, crushing emotions.
  48. +3
    14 June 2014 11: 17
    The European Union has abandoned Ukraine! ..... Yesterday at a press conference in Berlin, the head of the European Union Jeff Nonberg said that in connection with the recent events in Ukraine, the European Union decided to cancel the signing of the economic part of the EU-Ukraine association. "In connection with the latest events in Ukraine and the shocking actions of the Ukrainian authorities, the European Union decided to cancel the signing of the second economic part of the association between Ukraine and the European Union. We also question the legitimacy of the Ukrainian government. We are shocked by the actions of the Ukrainian authorities in eastern Ukraine, and support Russia's plans to resolve We also call for an immediate end to the bloodshed, Europe does not want a war! "- said the head of the European Union.

    Brewed porridge and now in the bushes .. As everything is familiar and template scum! Again, Russia will be taxied ..?
  49. +5
    14 June 2014 11: 19
    "Maybe we should take the example of Igor Strelkov, who has no time to play political toys? But whom virtually the entire Ukrainian army cannot knock out of Slavyansk?"

    People like Strelkov (Girkin) are piece pieces. They appear at the right time and leave when they are no longer needed.
  50. +1
    14 June 2014 11: 25
    Quote: mamont5
    People like Strelkov (Girkin) are piece pieces. They appear at the right time and leave when they are no longer needed.

    You're right..! But only then they repel such elbows .. (or accidentally kill) The most interesting is that Strelkov understands this all (and is very calm ..) There is a God in his soul ..!
  51. +1
    14 June 2014 11: 30
    They report on the radio... that on the outskirts of Mariupol, a bus with border guards who were on their way to reinforce the border was shot at. The people are partisans...
  52. +1
    14 June 2014 11: 33
    Quote: Russ69
    They report on the radio... that on the outskirts of Mariupol, a bus with border guards who were on their way to reinforce the border was shot at. The people are partisans...

    All this is bad... Brother went against brother... (to the delight of the Kolomoiskys and their masters)
    1. +3
      14 June 2014 11: 59
      Quote: MIKHAN
      All this is bad... Brother went against brother...

      Video from there, apparently several people were at least injured...
  53. 0
    14 June 2014 11: 36
    I don’t know if it’s true or fake, but still
    1. +3
      14 June 2014 12: 07
      Quote: MIKHAN
      I don’t know if it’s true or fake, but still

      The Ukrainian airmobile unit raised the Russian flag on the territory of Lugansk airport

      As the press secretary of the Ministry of Defense of the LC, told RT, long before the plane crashed near the airport, near 17: 30 13 June began fighting between airborne units located on the airport, one of the parts - Dnepropetrovsk - raised the flag of Russia.

      “A fierce battle ensued between the two parts, after which, the Dnipropetrovsk part left the airport and went in the direction of Anthracite, now it is supposedly located in the forest belt nearby, we are trying to establish contact with them, to find out their loyalty. But the fact of raising the flag of Russia speaks volumes, ”he continued.
      1. +1
        14 June 2014 12: 29
        Quote: Russ69
        But the very fact of raising the Russian flag speaks volumes,” he continued.

        I think this will all end sooner or later in Ukraine..(the Nazis are just exterminating civilians)..
  54. +6
    14 June 2014 11: 40
    Law enforcement officers took part in the special operation together with the internal troops of Ukraine. They have cordoned off the city center and are not allowing anyone into the area of ​​active operations.
    Mariupol police are the most impenetrable of all police! Keep it up! She was attacked on May 9th with grenade launchers, now she has learned her lesson - she is already delivering the shells herself!
    1. +2
      14 June 2014 12: 06
      Quote: lukke
      Mariupol police are the most impenetrable of all police!

      They are also needed, in full force, to Slavyansk, to dig trenches...
  55. +10
    14 June 2014 11: 46
    Quote: lukke
    Law enforcement officers took part in the special operation together with the internal troops of Ukraine. They have cordoned off the city center and are not allowing anyone into the area of ​​active operations.
    Mariupol police are the most impenetrable of all police! Keep it up! She was attacked on May 9th with grenade launchers, now she has learned her lesson - she is already delivering the shells herself!

    Probably something like that with them.)))
  56. -3
    14 June 2014 11: 57
    Quote: RED_ICE
    Putin is doing the right thing by not sending in troops.

    Today Putin says there is no need to bring in and everyone is repeating in unison “no need, no need, no need”, tomorrow the political situation will change and Putin says that for salvation it is necessary to bring in troops and everyone at once will change their point of view 180 degrees and will also “need “It’s necessary, it’s necessary,” but you can’t live with your own head?
  57. 0
    14 June 2014 12: 05
    People don’t want to die in vain, so they always support those who are stronger at the moment - just like in the famous movie. And to die in vain means to die without waiting for Russia’s help...
  58. Pentarhist
    +1
    14 June 2014 12: 06
    The people of Mariupol are fed up with these accusations. What and under whose leadership should they fight? People showed themselves heroically on May 9. Are local critics capable of this? Plus a referendum in conditions of war. Give them enough weapons and consultants, otherwise even the police recently had to confiscate 5 machine guns.

    Help for the militias- https://vk.com/polkdonbassa
  59. Pentarhist
    0
    14 June 2014 12: 14
    UPD: Street clashes continue in Mariupol, people took to the streets to confront Lyashkovsky and other Nazis. 13.06
    http://arbaletfire.livejournal.com/209359.html

    At the same time, I’ll repeat the question to the local “warriors”: How should Mariupol residents fight? Again, like on May 9, with bare hands on machine guns? Some kind of idiocy. And local apathy may indeed be increasing due to weak Russian support. They may perceive this as a betrayal.
  60. Pentarhist
    +2
    14 June 2014 12: 21
    Petition-
    Sent to: President of the Russian Federation, Supreme Commander-in-Chief V.V. Putin.
    I urge the organization of the creation of Volunteer units in the fight against genocide in Ukraine.

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  61. +2
    14 June 2014 12: 32
    I already wrote once that there is no PEOPLE’S WAR there! There is none there! And Strelkov understands this, that’s why he appeals to Russia. Look who is in the militia - youth, pensioners, volunteers (where it’s clear), and where are the miners? Where are the steelworkers? they are timid, and don’t care about anything! Right, who should we save and from whom? We must act according to the Syrian scenario - weapons, volunteers, please, and then the war will show the plan. And the whole West is furious with one thing, Russia does not send in troops, and therefore their whole plan collapses .This is our summer!
  62. 0
    14 June 2014 12: 53
    You'll understand the situation. It is clear that the people did not support the self-defense forces. You can, of course, be accused of not caring, but on the other hand... with your bare hands against machine guns and armored personnel carriers? So much time has passed, there is no cooperation between the cities, there is no unified leadership of military operations. Again, in order for the locals to start fighting, it is necessary to actually create a conscription system, arming them with weapons. This was nothing.
  63. +1
    14 June 2014 13: 06
    Quote: esaul
    I took a demonstration lesson for the townsfolk who stuck to the sofas, who there, in Mariupol, completely disguised themselves. About 40 people - this is the entire militia garrison of Mariupol! The Nazis just flew in, fired, killing 3 militias (yesterday's infa from the militia), grabbed all the men who came to hand (for show) and shooed off because it was risky to stay in the city for the night. The cops did not get involved in a fight. No one! Now there is an intensive explanatory work on the topic "Stop warming your asses, rams! To arms!" Will it get there? ...

    If you carefully evaluate the situation, Akhmetov’s shadow is clearly visible! It was he who was interested in the work of his factories and the militia greatly interfered with him. There was no single government in Mariupol. 4 powers on their own. A handful of DPR militias (about 40 people - there are no weapons for more), Akhmetov’s units (people’s squads), police and the National Guard with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The result was not slow to show itself. Surely Akhmetov paid for the cleansing with Lyashko’s hands.
  64. +6
    14 June 2014 13: 12
    Well, in Mariupol it was clear even earlier that somehow everything was happening there rather poorly. The barricades were removed and community cleanups were held. Quietly, calmly, they waited for something. So we waited. fascist neo-Bandera gangs arrived in Kamaz trucks, entered the city center, the police cordoned off the place of massacres, everything was like in Odessa. The thugs killed the dissenters, arrested the activists and left. And the citizens of Mariupol, well, no offense, I apologize in advance, are politically amorphous, lumpen to the core, “electoral cattle.” Well, live in a fascist state, you deserve it!
  65. +3
    14 June 2014 13: 37
    The population does not want to fight. Today it was reported that an armed group in Iraq has captured the million-strong Kirkuk and is moving towards government Baghdad from three sides. The size of the group is estimated at 10-15 thousand. Likewise with Mariupol, people are sitting at home, and they don’t care whose power it is.
  66. 0
    14 June 2014 13: 40
    Somehow we don’t hear any calls to go to war, to save our brothers... Or maybe it’s finally dawning on us that there’s nothing for us to do there!
  67. +1
    14 June 2014 14: 00
    ..."Perhaps we should take an example from Igor Strelkov, who has no time to play political toys? But whom virtually the entire Ukrainian army cannot knock out of Slavyansk?"

    Strelkov is ideological. The rest are fishing in troubled waters and dying doesn’t fit into their plans...
  68. Vlad Gore
    +2
    14 June 2014 14: 01
    Quote: Makarov
    no .. what do you .. don’t need to help, it’s Russians, they were the same as they were in the Balkans ... they didn’t help them, but with those that are even closer so much more ... I have the feeling that they will bomb Rosov, but you don’t care - it’s far away ...

    They explain it to you in RUSSIAN. Stop sitting in your huts, bending your back on Akhmetka and waiting for everything to resolve itself. Why should volunteers from Russia die while the majority of local “men” go to work at Akhmetov’s enterprises? Taxes from which go to Kyiv and then from them the war against Donbass is paid. So maybe there are no freedom-loving Russians in Donbass? Are there only silent slaves left? hi
  69. +2
    14 June 2014 14: 25
    Quote: Hiking
    Why introduce the Russian army, who is there to save? Local apparently does not matter who will be in power.

    And I'm talking about the same thing! I agree one hundred percent!
  70. +2
    14 June 2014 14: 45
    Strange war! Remember everyone what this term is? This is how the French fought with the British when Hitler crushed Poland.
    In order to go to die, you must not only know why, but also have this knowledge get to you. If you pick up a machine gun, you might get shot. Where is the idea for which they abandon their family, risk their lives, and fight to the death? I don’t see such an idea in Novorossiya. They decided that if they declared themselves gravitating towards Russia, then the Russian army would gallop in and they would distribute lard in the square for free.
    If you want freedom from fascism, fight for it. Sami. That's right V.V. P did not “fit in” with Novorossiya. There is no one to fit in with. And then those for whom you signed up will call you an occupier.
  71. His
    +1
    14 June 2014 14: 57
    Do not worry. The dogs have done some PR and have already left Mariupol. Raid tactics without the support of the entire population achieve nothing. Tomorrow the flag of Donetsk Rus' will again hang in its proper place.
  72. +3
    14 June 2014 14: 57
    All this “fuss” reminds me of the theme from the film, if I’m not mistaken, “Wedding in Malinovka.” Where a citizen changed his cap from red to white, with the phrase... "the power is changing."
    Unfortunately, the common man in the Southeast simply doesn’t care in which country they will live. But the worst thing is that with the success of Bandera’s followers in the so-called ATO, the same citizens will throw mud at us, blaming us for all their sins.
  73. +1
    14 June 2014 16: 40
    Quote: tundra
    I don’t understand anything, a large industrial city, metallurgists, etc. And the cat cried out to people request

    One born to crawl cannot fly.
  74. 0
    14 June 2014 17: 04
    Quote: Palladium900
    ..and who here demanded the introduction of troops? and talked about plum ??
    Someone from a pure heart, from indignation and hatred of the fascist Bandera. And someone, unfortunately, for other reasons ....

    So they support terror and blood. Real banderlogs.
  75. Beloborodov
    +1
    14 June 2014 17: 14
    I found a photo on VKontakte...
    Western democracy development specialists have finally arrived at Vukaraina.
  76. 0
    14 June 2014 17: 31
    Quote: Beloborodov
    I found a photo on VKontakte...
    Western democracy development specialists have finally arrived at Vukaraina.


    And who is this, please explain! hi
  77. non_inc
    -4
    14 June 2014 17: 41
    Oh oh, stop wailing already. When Russians began to be slaughtered in Chechnya in 91, none of those who signed up here took the initiative to organize a militia or anything else. So they cut everyone. So there is no need to rant here about the sofa behavior of Ukrainians. Have you gone too far? When Alexandra Lotkova was imprisoned, where were you? Didn't know anything? Did not see? So please shut up, smart guys.
  78. 0
    14 June 2014 17: 41
    There are many questions and many proposals, but time will tell what will happen in reality.
  79. 0
    14 June 2014 17: 48
    What kind of people, such is the president... The President showed himself in all his glory, before the Maidan, on time and after =) The people are catching up!!! And where are those who shouted save the Russians? Our boys are under bullets... Thanks to those in power, strength is needed to use force, but great strength is needed not to use it. And those who downvoted that Ukraine should be given freedom, how do you feel? After all, they were now promised visa-free travel to Europe))) why should they honor the memory of those who laid down their lives on their land... In half a year, all the monuments to our dedicated soldiers will be demolished, the veterans will be equated with the Nazis, the Orthodox Church will be exterminated, they prefer sects and crusaders . Well, since visas have been abolished, it’s easier for girls to go to work =) Replenish the gene pool of Europe!
    Thank you for the contrasting picture, gentlemen, pay your gas bills and return the $3 billion December loan, live freely, breathe smoothly!
  80. bda
    bda
    0
    14 June 2014 18: 12
    What causes bewilderment: YES ALL. There are a lot of questions.


    Damn, another armchair strategist discovered that life is different from his personal armchair nonsense.
  81. +2
    14 June 2014 18: 56
    Quote: AlexSK
    Well refugees xs!

    Well, I know men who bring their families, settle them in, and then come back. You don’t have to cover everyone with the same brush.
  82. raf
    0
    14 June 2014 20: 06
    The conclusion is that, as refugees, only children, women and the elderly should be allowed into Russia, and the youth should be turned away, let these mugs fight on the barricades for a free SE. Apparently they hope that their peers from Russia will shed their blood for them.
  83. bda
    bda
    0
    14 June 2014 20: 27
    Here is a good clip above for those who like to grunt about the residents of the South-East who are prone to “my house is on edge”: for some reason you can’t see a single “non-extreme” Russian passerby in the frame, expressing a desire to punch a good banderlot in the face, in the center of Moscow, with black and red ensign screaming "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!"
    And I don’t know why, but for some reason there is such a premonition that if several of these “non-extreme” ones did appear, then, most likely, they would have received (first from the banderlot, and then from the valiant police) - the bandelots were not gathered so well not enough, and the rest of the passers-by would definitely not interfere.
    And there’s nothing to say about the quote that was also somewhere above: sitting on the couch in Moscow, blaming Donbass miners for passivity costs nothing - neither health, nor even much time.
    non_inc (1) Today, 17:41
    ... When Russians began to be slaughtered in Chechnya in 91, none of those who signed up here took the initiative to organize a militia or anything else. So they cut everyone. So there is no need to rant here about the sofa behavior of Ukrainians. Have you gone too far?
  84. 0
    14 June 2014 21: 07
    Pay attention to the last photo of the article, where a man against the background of a flag makes an indecent gesture to the photographer. Take a close look at the eyes and nose. But I downloaded this photo from another article:
    "Swedish sniper, neo-Nazi Mikael Skilt took part in the assault on Mariupol"
    of
    http://warfiles.ru/show-61338-bolee-200-oficerov-goskosmicheskogo-agentstva-ukra
    iny-uvoleny-za-otkaz-ubivat.html

    I’m tempted to say how similar the two faces are!
  85. 0
    14 June 2014 21: 29
    Quote: GradusHuK
    Quote: Palladium900
    ..and who here demanded the introduction of troops? and talked about plum ??
    Someone from a pure heart, from indignation and hatred of the fascist Bandera. And someone, unfortunately, for other reasons ....

    So they support terror and blood. Real banderlogs.

    What kind of bunch of h.m.o.sh.n.i.k.o.v is this? And why aren’t they with broken legs? There’s too much freedom in Moscow, it won’t work here.
  86. Cap
    0
    14 June 2014 22: 57
    "... - If before the police came or our, say, border guards, that is, from the city of Mariupol, now there are punitive detachments. They are not formed in Mariupol, these are not our military, these are military from western Ukraine. That is, everywhere you can hear Ukrainian speech, and even English, American speech. As if people are very afraid of this. They already shoot to kill and they no longer care who you are. For them you are a separatist and a terrorist and they will shoot, even if there is a grandmother, even young guy, they don't care, even if he is unarmed ... "
    That is, as long as there were locals, you could play “war” with them. They shot in the air and dispersed. And then strangers came! They can even kill!
    So screw it! Go home, and to hell with freedom!
  87. stranik72
    0
    14 June 2014 23: 01
    Quote: Thompson
    Sorry, but to whom to help? It’s easier for us to take out all the Strelkovites, real husbands and people, and equip them in Russia. And let the rest be cooked (fried) on their sofas! It is a pity there are no statistics how many combat-ready men and guys have already become refugees ...

    I don’t agree with you, it was necessary to help, we saw what the militias fought with, hunting rifles and almost everything. And it’s not for us to judge them; bullets aren’t whistling over our heads. And as for “all the Strelkovites and it’s easier for us to introduce them,” I think they made their choice with armchair wars with us that were not in their way. Good luck to them and Victory to the real wars of New Russia.
  88. 0
    14 June 2014 23: 21
    So how can Russia help the Mariupol militias? Who should we help, FORTY militias? And for the remaining tens of thousands of people, will Russia refuse to be an OCCUPANT?
  89. +3
    14 June 2014 23: 57
    Gori-gori clear
    Author: Russian Observer on Sat, 07/06/2014 - 18:07.
    Writes: amfora
    - Brother, your house is on fire!
    - Can I proof?
    - Look out the window!
    - Crap! Bandits! Bandits in fire trucks came to rob my house! Guard!
    - Brother, don't go crazy - open it until it flares up.
    - You're lying! You came to rob me.
    - Do you see smoke?
    - Well, it's probably someone smoking.
    “Do you see black smoke ?!” What the fuck is a smoke?
    - Well, maybe the kid from the first floor indulges.
    - The kid from the first floor already got out of the window.
    - Crap! Bandits on fire trucks kidnapped my neighbor! Straight from bed! Through the window! This is kidnapping! Guard!
    - Brother, why are you breathing smoke already?
    - Get out! Sin! Come out!
    - Brother, everything is already on fire, open!
    - I do not believe! You want to steal me and rob me!
    “There is already fire all over the floor - see for yourself.”
    “I can't see if I look out — you'll shoot me.”
    “Well, how else can you prove it?”
    - Give me a proof!
    - Well, there’s already a video on YouTube - keep the link.
    - This is a production.
    - They already show it on TV.
    - They don’t show me.
    - What are you watching?
    - Euronews!
    - See News-24
    - They are lying! This is a false channel in Russia! In addition, I turned it off ...
  90. +2
    14 June 2014 23: 57
    - Well, at least let your wife and children go, and burn yourself if you want.
    - Crap! Bandits on fire trucks want to steal my wife, they will rape her, and they will eat my children! Guard!
    “Brother, you should already see the fire through the window.”
    - Crap! Guard! We're on fire!
    - Say the code on the gate - we will open it and put it out.
    - Not! You will fill me with gasoline so that I burn out faster!
    -!
    - You yourself! Quilted jacket! b! Katsap! Your house burned down, so now you've come to burn my house down out of jealousy?
    - So will you curse or will we put out?
    - I already called firefighters, now they will come and put out everything!
    - What firefighters? There are already firemen!
    - American!
    - What are you? They ride a week! You will burn until they reach.
    - No, I won’t burn - they told me that I was waiting for them and didn’t open it to anyone, especially strangers firefighters.
    - Brother! I have water in the tanks here - look out the window, now I'll get a mug and drink it!
    - I do not believe! You hear me at home and he will stink!
    - Well, what to do?
    - I'm waiting for firefighters! I myself chose who will put out my fire! Only I can choose my firefighters! No one else can choose the firefighters who will extinguish my house! And I don’t need your advice because you want to rob me!
    - The one you chose - he just set your house on fire, this is for your reference.
    “No, you set it on fire.”
    - The one you chose is a famous pyromaniac; he has already burned five houses of other people, tell the addresses?
    - He burned them to build new houses for them, he will also build a new house for me in return for the burned one.
    - Show to whom he built a new house?
    - There, cross-eyed.
    - Fifty-eyed, he built his own house for fifty years.
    “So what if his old house had not been burned, he would never have built a new one.”
    - Well then, first build a new house, and then burn the old one.
    - No, that’s not right, they told me that to build a new one you need to burn the old one.
    - And you yourself are not afraid to burn out with the house?
    - No, I have aluminum foil, I’ll wrap it up and it will save me!
    “You will fry in this foil, and they will bury you in it.”
    - Crap! My brother wants to fry me in foil! Guard! My brother wants to bury me! Help!
    -!
    - Myself ! Cough cough cough... bastard! Cough, cough... die, padded jacket! Cough cough... I'm a Nazi face! Cough cough... burn yourself, you bastard! Cough cough... oh, damn it! Cough cough... I can't breathe... damn it! I'm burning, damn it! Cough, cough... Someone, damn it, save me! Cough cough! Fire! Damn fire!!!
    Firefighters among themselves:
    Well? Are we breaking down the gate? Or why?
  91. 0
    15 June 2014 01: 34
    If the arguments that it is impossible to send troops deserve attention, then I wonder why it is impossible to better supply weapons and give the green light to all volunteers. As far as I know, quite a few people (volunteers) are being deployed by our border guards. At one time, Chinese “volunteers” helped turn the tide of the Korean War. Moreover, why didn’t they send specialists who would help establish management and logistics in the forces of the DPR and LPR. Until the last moment I believe and hold on to the idea that Putin really has some kind of plan. But to be honest, every day it becomes more and more difficult to hold on to it. For a long time they said that there was a flow of volunteers both from Russia and from Donbass itself. But every report says that several dozen militias are fighting against Ukarmia (Mariupol is an example). There are two options: 1. Things with militias and weapons in Novorossiya are worse than bad and No. 2. Novorossiya is accumulating strength somewhere. That’s the same Anratsit there is the flag of the Don Army and there are a lot of messages and videos that volunteers arrived there, training bases were built.
  92. Drosselmeyer
    0
    15 June 2014 01: 55
    Well, it’s clearer than ever. For residents of Mariupol, Kharkov, etc. (for the most part), there is nothing more important in life than a house with a wild boar. And they don’t care about all sorts of May 9, Bandera, etc. The main thing is that the borscht should be on the table. When they burn down the house and take away the wild boar, then maybe they’ll start moving. Or maybe not.
    In general, read Bulgakov’s “The White Guard”. How many rushed to save Kyiv from Petliura? All ordinary people also hoped for the Entente, Germany, etc. Civil wars are always fought by percentages of the population, the rest are amorphous.
  93. 0
    15 June 2014 02: 15
    There was news that the airport in Lugansk was taken by militias, who knows? Here is the link http://www.segodnia.ru/news/141185
  94. green
    0
    15 June 2014 02: 24
    http://youtu.be/lBFJXa2xgCw
  95. Corsican
    0
    15 June 2014 03: 29
    Quote: esaul
    Vadim hi
    I watched the stream yesterday, an hour after the Nazis squirted from Mariupol. What infuriated - the vizier got huge, young foreheads in shorts and T-shirts, peacefully smoking a cigarette and coming to "look". B ..., waiting for Uncle Strelkov to come and protect them from Lyashko's shit am

    Why doesn’t the DPR mobilize? It was as if their country was born there in the crucible of a civil war. What are they missing? Who are they afraid of?
  96. Nikich
    0
    15 June 2014 05: 18
    Quote: Drosselmeyer
    Well, it’s clearer than ever. For residents of Mariupol, Kharkov, etc. (for the most part), there is nothing more important in life than a house with a wild boar. And they don’t care about all sorts of May 9, Bandera, etc. The main thing is that the borscht should be on the table. When they burn down the house and take away the wild boar, then maybe they’ll start moving. Or maybe not.
    In general, read Bulgakov’s “The White Guard”. How many rushed to save Kyiv from Petliura? All ordinary people also hoped for the Entente, Germany, etc. Civil wars are always fought by percentages of the population, the rest are amorphous.

    To confirm this, I can say that my friend in Ukraine has an aunt in Kherson. He regularly communicates with her on Skype, and she says that everything is fine with them, there are no Banderaites, Poroshenko is a great guy, and the fact that people are being killed in Donetsk is nothing.
  97. +1
    15 June 2014 08: 15
    One conclusion can be drawn from all this shit - the biomass, which is the local population there, is not a determining factor, therefore, if the army of another state had entered there, it would have been nothing, they would have swallowed it and swallowed it, calmly.
  98. 0
    15 June 2014 20: 25
    The last photo in the article is memorable, I’d like to shoot it straight into the back of an RPG.
  99. JekT72
    0
    15 June 2014 21: 56
    there is no DPR, there are several groups in Donetsk, whoever has more bayonets is right, and in Mariupol, in general, there are only bandits in the militia, so people did not stand up for defense, especially since the leaders left the city with weapons on the eve and framed some of the people in the dark. All hope is for Lugansk there Bolotov took over everything and the organization is an order of magnitude higher than in the DPR where three hetmans share power and portfolios, so the people were disappointed and in Mariupol 65% for Russia only the city has always stood apart in the Donbass and there are no weapons in the city and nowhere to get them and there are 4.5 thousand Ukrainian fighters around the city, and the people are afraid, especially since not everyone still understands that there is a war, they hope that everything will resolve itself. There is a strong split in society in the police, do not think that everyone here is a united front for the DPR, especially since the leaders are not very smart
  100. JekT72
    0
    15 June 2014 23: 41
    I also want to add site 0629 about Kyiv and the information on it is very selective and often simply false. This is a typical ukrosmrad.

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