On the rules of "Military Review". Appeal to visitors

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On the rules of "Military Review". Appeal to visitors


Dear visitors! I appeal to everyone on behalf of and on behalf of the site administration.

Recently, the quality of comments on materials posted on the site is beginning to cause concern. Both administrators and moderators.

Comments are a component without which it is impossible. Although many online media easily cost, so as not to make hemorrhoids with moderation. At the Military Review, great attention is paid to comments, because comments often contain opinions that make it possible not only to supplement the posted materials, but to supplement them qualitatively and interestingly.

Again, almost no one is limited in expressing one’s attitude to a particular issue.

But why use the so-called. profanity? Why force modders to give you warnings and comments? If someone thinks that moderators are not satisfied with something organisms that get high from issuing warnings, then this person is greatly mistaken.

Let's think together.

"Military Review" - this is not the site of a small party for a handful of like-minded people. It is referenced by other media and publishers, copyrighted material quoted and repost. This is the level, no matter what.

"Review" read. And every day more and more. And, unfortunately, more and more non-literary expressions appear in the comments every day.

Russian language is really great and powerful. And if a person owns it, then you can easily convey your thoughts and emotions to readers without a mat. You can, he repeatedly checked.

And recently it has become normal to use swears, “diluting” with dots, commas, numbers. Yes, and do not agree with the warnings. “This is a quote from a song,” “3,14 is not a veil,” and the like.

For many years in the world we were exposed as wild barbarians who could only eat vodka with bears, dance to the balalaika and trade in gas and oil. Times seem to change, and people do too. So, probably, it makes sense to change us.

The Russians have already shown that they can be polite. And very much so. If you prove that everyone can be polite and cultural without an automaton, it will be great in general. Although it is more difficult.

There is no point in “watering” your opponent with everything in memory. For this there is a "Censor". Almost all the amateurs and professionals of this case gathered there. And here it is recommended to present your arguments and opinions by the power of reason, and not by the level of profanity profanity.

Dear visitors! Since the appeal "dear" has taken root, then let's respect not only each other, but also the means of our communication.
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  1. +64
    16 June 2014 08: 57
    I completely agree.
    1. +34
      16 June 2014 09: 10
      Of course it is. Cutting all the obscenities we are likened to proud ukra ... Go to any ukropov info site and see. And this is not the case. I do not mean real Ukrainians, of whom there are many on this site.
      1. +27
        16 June 2014 09: 11
        Quote: Mitek
        Of course it is. Cutting all the obscenities we are likened to proud ukra ... And this is not the case.

        yes right. we are polite people
        1. +4
          16 June 2014 09: 33
          Hmm ... Agree, disagree ... WHAT NOW ALREADY ... !!!
        2. +1
          16 June 2014 17: 31
          Let's not put labels on other people like that. They and, like us, are the pupils of their "educators" that is to say: the media, teachers in schools, teachers in higher institutions and the "environment."
          Holding back the spread of labels, mats and similar things will help to be more focused. confident in his words, and he just won’t push away the interlocutor, he won’t cause a response (mat or other strong word).

          Arguments and facts will give an accurate description of your gaze and give the interlocutor a reason to think, and not just rush headlong into a retaliatory attack.
        3. +1
          16 June 2014 21: 44
          I agree, and I think that courtesy, respect for oneself and others, first of all begins with RESPECT for THE NATIVE LANGUAGE! Let’s not create opinions among other nations that the GREAT and POWERFUL RUSSIAN LANGUAGE consists exclusively of 4-5 obscene words! Personally, I consider it permissible to use the mat only in a good battle, when the enemy must be destroyed, and I myself must remain alive. Then he will help. And to use it just like that, only to banish the soul!
        4. -1
          21 June 2014 00: 31
          I agree with you, Dear! Polite, sober, calm, but good should be with fists, as the story shows;) And a long, out of the question language will bring to Kiev)
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      3. +37
        16 June 2014 09: 15
        Matyuki fight mercilessly! But comrades moderators, sometimes words are deleted, to obscene language, which have no relation whatsoever.
        1. +14
          16 June 2014 09: 25
          crying For example, "stupid". And according to Ozhegov, this word colloquial, disapproving.
          1. +3
            16 June 2014 17: 25


            topically however ...
        2. Orc-xnumx
          +16
          16 June 2014 09: 36
          I tried several times to respond with verses by T. G. Shevchenko, moderators erase! Illiterate Tolerasts!
        3. +44
          16 June 2014 10: 16
          Quote: invisible
          profanity, not having any relation.

          So here I am about the same thing? Why is Dostoevsky a genius, and I do not have the right to write a word with which he HEADED (!) His immortal creation? Why should I completely change the completely scientific and literary name of the female dog?
          This is so, offhand! So dear Moderators! It is impossible not to agree with your demand. It is fair and competent. BUT! Let's not get to insanity. You are essentially pushing us to "numbers, points ...." If we are. normal "words have to be modified, then we automatically insert" abnormal "words.
          Sincerely yours hi and hope for understanding!
          1. +16
            16 June 2014 10: 58
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Let's not reach senility

            Right! Rudeness and personal insults are unacceptable. But there’s no need to slide into a prey of an academic nature. A free and lively discussion is much more valuable and interesting, but here, sometimes, without a sharp word in any way. That is - sharp, I'm not talking about mate, as such. Otherwise we will get bored and vomit on our own ...
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            2. Kisel
              +3
              16 June 2014 23: 16
              Quote: matRoss
              academic presyatin
          2. +6
            16 June 2014 11: 29
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            So here I am about the same thing? Why is Dostoevsky a genius, and I do not have the right to write a word with which he HEADED (!) His immortal creation? Why should I completely change the completely scientific and literary name of the female dog?

            100% e approval!
            Why do I have to write the devil knows how, "perverting," the expression "To paint under the hoxlom"?
            And quoting N.V. Gogol, .........deleted by moderator Apollo
            1. +2
              16 June 2014 12: 00
              Quote: Corsair
              And quoting N.V. Gogol, ......... deleted by the moderator Apollo


              Wow ... Apollo is still that Hercules ... Such athletes generally can not be attached to the leadership ...

              Remember Eternal Call?

              Polypov is his stage copy. IMHO

              Stopudov will delete and ban in addition ... He will write to me in the mail that I offended him to the core ...)))
              1. +5
                16 June 2014 12: 26
                Quote: Tartary
                Stopudov will remove and ban in addition ...

                Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ...
                With me, in the end he acted quite correctly, here is the truth of the comment "suffered" crying ...

                And by the way, since the conversation has gone in some way about the site, I would like to inquire, SUCH "PICTURE" as "502 ERROR", periodically (yesterday and today)" occurs "with me alone?
                1. +4
                  16 June 2014 12: 39
                  Greetings, "Corsair"!
                  Quote: Corsair
                  "ERROR 502", periodically (yesterday and today) "occurs" with one of me?

                  No. The site will hang. There may be several reasons.
                  The server does not withstand the number of requests from users at a particular time.
                  A large amount of "extra crap" transmitted with a page, such as advertising and "whistle-fakes". You need to install a blocker. I only have 18 applets blocked from this page, as well as the background of the page ...
                  Well, and so on ...
                  1. +1
                    16 June 2014 12: 51
                    Good afternoon!
                    Quote: Ptah
                    You need to put a blocker. I only have 18 applets blocked from this page, as well as the background of the page ...

                    It is worth ABPalso blocks on this page 17garbage applets ...
                2. 1nik-ol
                  +1
                  16 June 2014 14: 15
                  has been appearing for three days now, and now, to the short answer "I have it too," I received the answer:
                  The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
                3. +1
                  16 June 2014 15: 39
                  three to four hours was.
                  Probably "at the top" do not have time to get acquainted with all the materials.
                  Slow down.
                4. +1
                  16 June 2014 21: 23
                  Quote: Corsair
                  And by the way [/ u], since the conversation went in some way about the site, I would like to ask, SUCH "PICTURE" as "502 ERROR", periodically (yesterday and today)" occurs "with me alone?

                  I had the same trouble, even worse. It seems that the site is not to blame - the providers are phoning. I have "Megafon", and you?
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              2. 0
                16 June 2014 12: 41
                Quote: Tartary
                Wow ... Apollo is still that Hercules ... Such athletes generally can not be attached to the leadership ...

                Forgot to ask you !!!

                Quote: Tartary
                Stopudov will remove and ban in addition ...

                Ban administrators, moderators do not have such authority. deserved the place is there, in the BATH. I admit, not everyone is capable of this.
                I regard your vyser as a fly in the ointment in a barrel of honey.
                1. -4
                  16 June 2014 17: 39
                  "Your deserved place is there, in the BANA."

                  Well, it’s not for foreigners to decide on the Russian site that it’s time for the Russian patriot to ban
                  1. +7
                    16 June 2014 17: 55
                    Quote: Starfish
                    Well, it’s not for foreigners to decide on the Russian site that it’s time for the Russian patriot to ban

                    And who, who is a foreigner ?! To the marrow of bones Soviet! Thanks to the villains Gorbi and Yeltsin, alas, now, as you correctly noticed in captivity became a foreigner.
                    And finally, I follow the rules of VO and not the likes and dislikes of individual visitors.
                    1. +2
                      16 June 2014 22: 04
                      Quote: Apollon
                      Quote: Starfish
                      Well, it’s not for foreigners to decide on the Russian site that it’s time for the Russian patriot to ban

                      And who, who is a foreigner ?! To the marrow of bones Soviet! Thanks to the villains Gorbi and Yeltsin, alas, now, as you correctly noticed in captivity became a foreigner.
                      And finally, I follow the rules of VO and not the likes and dislikes of individual visitors.

                      Do not worry in vain, Apollon, you and I, I remember, have criticized. hi I don’t remember only - using "local idiomatic expressions" or not. Today you mess with your interlocutor a little, and tomorrow either you will like him or he will like your opinion - and without peering into the author's name put a "plus". I know from myself. This is the norm. The overwhelming majority of our colleagues on the site (or rather, all) are people who can, to one degree or another, clearly formulate their thoughts. Even if we all sometimes "iterate" in expressions. I am sure that none of us, having met another of our companions over a mug, glass or glass of something tasty, will not bring the controversy to hand-to-hand combat. drinks
                  2. +2
                    16 June 2014 22: 54
                    Quote: Starfish
                    Well, it’s not for foreigners to decide on the Russian site that it’s time for the Russian patriot to ban

                    Well, can I decide on a Russian on a Russian site that you still take a lot of respect yourself? I have over the years on this site a wealth of experience in the treatment of inadequate bully and without any moderation request
              3. +11
                16 June 2014 14: 04
                Quote: Tartary
                Wow ... Apollo is still that Hercules ... Such athletes generally can not be attached to the leadership ...

                Stavr, forced to categorically disagree with you.
                Azir is the very correctness on this site.

                Personally, he gave me verbal warnings in a personal a couple of times for using a veiled mate in colloquial speech (with dots), and he was ABSOLUTELY right - we sometimes "flirt" about the discussion, but this is not the barracks ...
                And I’m sure that if I had covered someone from the members of the forum with obscenities, I would have immediately received a DESERVED ban from him.
                All honest and decent.

                ..............................

                By article:
                Of course I agree with Roman (Banshee).
                The military "sins" this a little.
                feel
                I would like to add to "On the rules of the" Military Review "":
                Dear forum users:
                Stop trying to get into the "response to the FIRST comment". Well, don't act like kids.
                Personally, I already got into the habit of flipping through the entire "huge" first comment and looking for the second and third comments.
                Look at the situation even in this article ...
                - The answer to a question or discussion of the comment itself is normal.
                - But when they climb with a "left" theme - it looks just like "running after the audience."

                Himself now - I reply to koment.

                Let's not only be "polite" but also "adults."
                Yes
                1. 0
                  16 June 2014 18: 44
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  Stavr, forced to categorically disagree with you.
                  Azir is the very correctness on this site.

                  We have old feuds with him ...

                  Because of his "youth", as soon as Apollo came here, he worked such miracles ... he wanted to go to Khabarovsk to me - to suffer with his face ...
                  The money saved for the trip, and clamped, does not share half - miser ...)))
                  Now he does not want to remember this - like the rank does not allow. But it is nasty - as they taught in "school" ...
                  Azir, speak? Oh well...

                  Although, what am I? I - drum ... But the truth is not to hide my creed.
              4. -3
                16 June 2014 21: 35
                Is he probably from Tolerast?
            2. +1
              24 June 2014 22: 47
              Quote: Corsair
              And quoting N.V. Gogol, .........deleted by moderator Apollo
              Apollo also deleted the middle word for me.
          3. +5
            16 June 2014 13: 04
            Why should I completely change the scientific and literary name of the female dog?

            It is appropriate in the scientific literature and fiction. In conversation, this term takes swearing meaning.
            1. 0
              16 June 2014 18: 18
              Quote: Kahlan Amnell
              It is appropriate in the scientific literature and fiction. In conversation, this term takes swearing meaning.

              What are you! And what if I’m talking about a female dog?
              1. +1
                17 June 2014 06: 03
                Quote: Kahlan Amnell
                Why should I completely change the scientific and literary name of the female dog?

                It is appropriate in the scientific literature and fiction. In conversation, this term takes swearing meaning.

                And what about my favorite quote from F.D. Roosevelt, which fits almost every second article: "Somoza is a Cykin's son, but he is our Cykin's son"?
                1. 0
                  17 June 2014 11: 49
                  Do you emphasize that this is a quote?
              2. 0
                17 June 2014 11: 52
                Dima, I doubt that you are a dog breeder. wink
                So for you this is an unprofessional term. lol
          4. 0
            16 June 2014 21: 17
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Quote: invisible
            profanity, not having any relation.

            So here I am about the same thing? Why is Dostoevsky a genius, and I do not have the right to write a word with which he HEADED (!) His immortal creation? Why should I completely change the completely scientific and literary name of the female dog?
            This is so, offhand! So dear Moderators! It is impossible not to agree with your demand. It is fair and competent. BUT! Let's not get to insanity. You are essentially pushing us to "numbers, points ...." If we are. normal "words have to be modified, then we automatically insert" abnormal "words.
            Sincerely yours hi and hope for understanding!

            I fully support. And on my own I want to add the following - sometimes it’s impossible to read someone’s comment because of the unforgivably large number of grammatical and spelling errors in it. The thread of the story is simply lost. I myself am not a philologist, but I try not to be a mistake. Would you, dear Great and Terrible Sovereigns of the site, like to contribute somehow to the preservation of the Great and the Mighty, since it is the official and favorite language of our glorious and often cited site.
            With deep respect. hi hi hi ?
          5. +1
            16 June 2014 21: 17
            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            Quote: invisible
            profanity, not having any relation.

            So here I am about the same thing? Why is Dostoevsky a genius, and I do not have the right to write a word with which he HEADED (!) His immortal creation? Why should I completely change the completely scientific and literary name of the female dog?
            This is so, offhand! So dear Moderators! It is impossible not to agree with your demand. It is fair and competent. BUT! Let's not get to insanity. You are essentially pushing us to "numbers, points ...." If we are. normal "words have to be modified, then we automatically insert" abnormal "words.
            Sincerely yours hi and hope for understanding!

            I fully support. And on my own I want to add the following - sometimes it’s impossible to read someone’s comment because of the unforgivably large number of grammatical and spelling errors in it. The thread of the story is simply lost. I myself am not a philologist, but I try not to be a mistake. Would you, dear Great and Terrible Sovereigns of the site, like to contribute somehow to the preservation of the Great and the Mighty, since it is the official and favorite language of our glorious and often cited site.
            With deep respect. hi hi hi ?
        4. PAM
          +7
          16 June 2014 10: 17
          Invisibility SUC Matyuki fight mercilessly! But comrades moderators, sometimes words are deleted, to obscene language, which have no relation whatsoever.

          I completely agree. I am opposed to using swear words if it can be said in a normal language, but sometimes whole expressions and thoughts cannot be conveyed in one sentence or even two, and using obscene vocabulary it is possible to express the whole essence in one word! good In addition, the words are deleted: nicknames (especially applicable to the USA) used all over the world, even in respected media.
          1. +3
            16 June 2014 12: 30
            convey in one sentence or even two, and using obscene language you can express the whole essence in one word!
            I have not used swear words for five years. Don’t argue, the essence can be expressed in human language, and briefly
        5. +4
          16 June 2014 11: 22
          This proves once again that in Russian there are words and figures of speech abruptly mat!
        6. 0
          16 June 2014 19: 07
          I agree to all 100%, but I need to start with myself. Any self-respecting person will find a way to convey his thoughts without abnormal.
        7. 0
          16 June 2014 21: 15
          Dmitry, read the rules carefully, believe no one will just delete your opinion and change it, if you think that you are being undeservedly oppressed, your right to contact the administration
        8. NUT
          NUT
          +2
          17 June 2014 18: 49
          Quote: invisible
          But comrades moderators, sometimes words are deleted, to obscene language, which have no relation whatsoever.

      4. +3
        16 June 2014 12: 35
        Quote: Mitek
        Go to any dill info site and see.

        By the way - dill the same violation of the site’s rules as pend0s, but do you see an article with such headings - a paradox?
        1. +3
          16 June 2014 13: 07
          Dill is a Ukrainian oppositionist. It is a contraction and not an insult.
          1. Nikolav
            +5
            16 June 2014 14: 43
            But the words, excuse me, have to use the dots: h.oh.o.l and m.o.sk.al, what is insulting in them? It has been used for hundreds of years, and as a rule, not at all in an offensive sense. In the ironic, yes, in the humorous yes, in the end, there are no prohibitions on such words as paddling, pasta, dummies? Let's see.:)))
          2. +2
            16 June 2014 20: 27
            Quote: GRAY
            Dill is a Ukrainian oppositionist. It is a contraction and not an insult.

            Oh really? And pend0s - a penguin in Serbian - is also not an insult, hoh0l and m0skal - ethnofolism and not a curse at all - you can go on ad infinitum.
        2. +2
          17 June 2014 02: 14
          Quote: lelikas
          dill

          Etio abbreviation from Ukraine-Europe. It turns Dill smile For those who are deeply immersed in football, this is the unofficial name for the new unified football league - UKROP (Ukrainian-Russian unified championship)
      5. +6
        16 June 2014 13: 50
        I would like to add ... some forum users, having exhausted the arguments and facts, switch to banal insults of their opponents ... which does not paint them and affects the face of the site itself ... in addition, discussing any topics, often people don’t see the differences between the argument and the discussion, and therefore unpleasant moments of transition to the individual appear ...
      6. +2
        16 June 2014 14: 47
        There is the average age of writers 12-15let what you want;)
    2. +11
      16 June 2014 09: 22
      I agree! Everything from nerves. Sometimes there are no other words
      1. +5
        16 June 2014 09: 34
        Sin, I repent, correct!
        with respect! hi
        1. +2
          16 June 2014 11: 41
          I support and commit. There are already 6 warnings (though not for Matyuki). I'm good. feel
    3. 0
      16 June 2014 10: 17
      Also totally agree! But are we still Russians !? And the sense of balance sometimes just rolls over! Especially from the Russian silent position! After all, people are being killed there! And in many ways the same as WE! And their deaths have an excuse ??? I don’t understand anything !!!
    4. +7
      16 June 2014 11: 47
      Quote: fisherman

      fisherman


      Today, 08: 57

      ↓ New


      I completely agree.


      So do I. Used rarely, now I won’t at all.

      But a few words in favor of the mighty. Mat is an emotional component of the soul that cannot be expressed differently at the time of receiving information, like a cry for pain.

      Eloquently said in a joke:
      If you saw a video clip about a terrible car accident and did not swear, then you are either not Russian or a terrorist. smile
    5. lankrus
      +7
      16 June 2014 12: 06
      It seems to me that the site administration needs to publish a list of swear words that are obscene in their understanding. The fact is that many are quite literary and are found in dictionaries, if anyone was interested in this issue, they know that what is currently obscene some time ago was quite literary and was just a replacement for obscene expressions.
      Firstly, it’s immediately clear what to say. For example, su .... or pin .... are they obscene or where? Secondly, many will make additions to this list. And thirdly, I think that people will join the real Russian language, what is hypocritical here, this is our culture and our language, which contributes to the relationship between each other and between peoples.
      1. +1
        16 June 2014 14: 51
        Everything is clearly described in the rules, not so much in the Russian language that there are not enough words to express your thoughts. feelings ?!
    6. Horde
      +12
      16 June 2014 12: 11
      and what to call different NON-TRADITIONAL in connection with the growing SINGLE-SEX EVENTS gays, or what? but it’s not in Russian? But what about the different pieces that our media gladly place on the very first pages of their tabloids? after all, puski is also not in Russian? This life, and not ours, is so immoral and immoral breaks into our world, but the Russian language is ready to call things by OWN NAMES and forbid to SPEAK IN RUSSIAN because a Russian mat is first of all a CONDEMNATION of an UNACCEPTABLE PHENOMENON and therefore not obscene for a vile thing, and that some wouldn’t thought that gay was better than pida_ras ...
      1. +5
        16 June 2014 12: 41
        Quote: Horde
        and what to call different NON-TRADITIONAL in connection with the growing SINGLE-SEX EVENTS gays, or what? but it’s not in Russian?

        Pederasts, is a medical term used to denote gender deviations in males ...

        And not one moder or admin can reproach you for violating the rules of VO, if this expression does not have the character of insulting anyone or something ...

        But keep in mind, the "edge is thin" and "pain threshold" are different for modders and admins ...
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 13: 37
          It's cool that they banyat me for using foul language, but then I come off on YouTube, that’s why the Russian language is powerful, that you can talk differently with everyone laughing
          1. +3
            16 June 2014 15: 15
            I have no complaints about the site administration, I agree that there should be a speech culture.
          2. +1
            16 June 2014 15: 58
            it’s Russian and powerful that you can speak differently with everyone

            I agree! Everything has its place and time.
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. +2
        16 June 2014 15: 56
        and what to call different NON-TRADITIONAL in connection with the growing SINGLE-SEX EVENTS gays, or what?

        In Russian it will be: SODOMIT, A MAN, A SRAKOLUB.

        It is quite adequate, literary and expressive.
        1. Horde
          0
          16 June 2014 17: 36
          Quote: Aljavad
          SODOMIT, A MAN, A SPRAY LOVER.


          it’s not in Russian with such words, Russian people DO NOT USE
          -sodomy that it’s from biblical terminology that people don’t say and never will say,
          - maturity is a legal term, commonly used so Russians do not say
          -Srakolyub-you yourself come up with? it just went, all the more so since a lover can be a lover of s_rat in the sense ??? not a warehouse, not okay, not a hit ...
          1. 0
            16 June 2014 17: 48
            I-Z-V-R-A-T! ! !

            colloquial a "person" whose behavior, actions, inclinations (especially in the sexual sphere) are perverse in nature, contradict physiological, social or ethical norms. At the same time, they polls are sexual perverts and enter into the most unnatural relationships with each other.


            It's enough... Yes
    7. 0
      16 June 2014 16: 20
      Absolutely fair. Itself is not sinless. Guilty - I will correct it! With respect.
    8. -1
      16 June 2014 17: 18
      Only rigidity only hardcore will help to maintain the respect and reputation of the Military Review if not cool.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. 0
        16 June 2014 21: 41
        then you need to create a list of bad homosexuals
        only to his regret, he will constantly and steadily grow sad
    9. +1
      16 June 2014 19: 58
      I completely agree that it is necessary to observe the limits of decency when writing comments, but the administration of the site, in turn, does not need to censor to some extent. It is expressed in the fact that it sends a "fresh" comment (apparently enabled moderation for a number of words and names) to the "footer". This is not correct. We live with freedom of speech and everyone can express their attitude and write their own vision of the moment, and even if this does not always correlate with the opinion of the site administration and the official policy of the state. This leads to the fact that you do not want to write a comment in vain, because no one will see it, which means there will be no discussion. And the truth comes into the discussion.
    10. 0
      17 June 2014 11: 06
      A street correspondent interviews a passerby:
      - What can you say about the game of the Russian national football team?
      - Swearing down?
      - Yes! Of course!
      “Well then, I have nothing to say.”
      laughing
  2. Alex_Popovson
    +7
    16 June 2014 08: 57
    Well, finally, right, I support! It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!
    1. +28
      16 June 2014 09: 04
      Yeah, I’m not very friendly with commas .... Put me in a corner, just don’t call my parents ... crying wassat
      1. +10
        16 June 2014 11: 21
        Quote: 311ove
        Yeah, I'm not very friendly with commas .... Put me in a corner, just don’t call my parents

        Ignorance should not boast. It should be eradicated. A literacy increase, as well as the overall intellectual and cultural level. To each.
        And then imperceptibly themselves turn into a variety psaki or great ukropitekov. To the whole world for a laugh.
        Do not be lazy in the work on yourself and look for some excuses.
        1. +3
          16 June 2014 12: 13
          In general, it was a joke. Primarily. Ignorance should be eradicated. Totally agree with you. It’s especially right for everyone to start with themselves. To increase, so to speak. General and intelligent. And the level! hi bully
        2. +2
          16 June 2014 12: 52
          Quote: kosopuz
          I should not boast of ignorance.

          I fully support it. Once upon a time, one of the American presidents said: "I generally have a low opinion of a person who does not want to become smarter today than yesterday." I remember that this is not Bush Jr., but Lincoln.
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      3. +2
        16 June 2014 12: 55
        Quote: 311ove
        Yeah, I'm not very friendly with commas ....

        And I, too much, am on friendly terms with them ... That's why I "poke" them where I have to ...
      4. 1nik-ol
        +1
        16 June 2014 14: 31
        Execute cannot be pardoned.
        You can’t execute, have mercy.
        Choose the right one.
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 14: 51
          Quote: 1nik-ol
          Execute cannot be pardoned.
          You can’t execute, have mercy.
          Choose the right one.


          Dilemma... Yes laughing
          1. 0
            16 June 2014 23: 27
            Quote: Corsair
            Quote: 1nik-ol
            Execute cannot be pardoned.
            You can’t execute, have mercy.
            Choose the right one.


            The dilemma ... yes laughing



            aah ... to be or not to be ...
      5. 0
        16 June 2014 16: 00
        with commas not much

        And try to write a draft post in the Word, there is a checker ... And then copy the mona to the site.
    2. +9
      16 June 2014 09: 05
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

      90% of Sait and I, including. These are problems of education, and we are talking about culture. ispaniard It concerns you. Ten minutes ago, I just deleted your mate in comments, I won’t delete it anymore.
      1. Marisat
        +3
        16 June 2014 09: 39
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

        90% of Sait and I, including. These are problems of education, and we are talking about culture. ispaniard It concerns you. Ten minutes ago, I just deleted your mate in comments, I won’t delete it anymore.

        Absolutely not funny.
        I swear with children and feel ashamed for spelling in electronic correspondence. But they are with phones and children.
        And to talk about public policy with errors ...
        Moreover, the program allows you to identify obvious errors. Commas, yes my trouble too.
        1. +5
          16 June 2014 09: 59
          Quote: Marisat
          And to talk about public policy with errors ...

          For starters, let the Governors and others begin to write without errors. And I'm just an ordinary citizen.
          1. 0
            16 June 2014 11: 35
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .And I'm just an ordinary citizen.

            We all learned not much, anything, and somehow ...

            And the learning abilities of everyone were different, and the teachers, and accordingly the desire to learn ...
      2. +1
        16 June 2014 11: 31
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ten minutes ago, I just deleted your mate in komente, I will not delete it anymore.

        Alexander, shaw, now will it be with mats? belay lol laughing
        1. +2
          16 June 2014 11: 51
          Quote: Corsair
          Alexander, shaw, now will it be with mats?



          Will go chess combinations. winked

          I agree with the topic.
          Russian mat did not use.
          I made (and still do) grammatical mistakes, although I am ashamed. feel
      3. 0
        16 June 2014 15: 26
        I admit my guilt, measure, degree, depth! I will stand on the path of correction Alexander wink And judging by the comments on the article, I will not be alone in this hi
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    3. +6
      16 June 2014 09: 07
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      Well, finally, right, I support! It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

      And not only in punctuation, but also in grammar and spelling.
      For starters, at least this ("tsya" And "to be"):
      http://tsya.ru/mnemonic
      and it’s already tired, they write not only in the comments, but also in the materials on the site (today, for example, too). Is it really that hard to remember?
      1. Alex_Popovson
        0
        16 June 2014 09: 15
        For starters, at least this ("tsya" and "tsya")

        Not for a start. For this ban. Permanently
        1. Nikolav
          +1
          16 June 2014 14: 55
          Well, right away and ban! But there are people and eyelids. :)))
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. +12
        16 June 2014 09: 29
        Colleague! Have you seen what the passing score was made according to the results of the EEG in Russian? 24 !!!!!! Last year, 36 ! ................ What can we talk about? Zhi-, Shi -.... what there! ........... Mass illiteracy in once the best primary and secondary education in the world !
        1. +6
          16 June 2014 09: 46
          One graduate of this year, by the way with good marks in the USE, told me that the bourgeoisie is the lower class ... fellow Here it is, education reform ...
        2. +7
          16 June 2014 16: 16
          Why learn to read and write? Now they are learning how to cross the exam correctly
      4. +8
        16 June 2014 09: 35
        Such matters will soon be forced to write a dictation before registering on the site. Although no matter how you spell it, it’s necessary spelling. I’ve been studying the past of our ancestors for a long time (I have such a hobby). The most valuable thing they left us is the Russian language, or rather the alphabet. A figurative language that stores a huge amount of knowledge. Of course, he was greatly cut from 49 to 33 characters. But even in a stripped-down version, this is not yet a recognized language. Here's a video on the topic:
      5. +10
        16 June 2014 09: 39
        If the question to the word "what to do?" is "b", then the word will be "b". For example: study, practice, etc. What is he doing? studies, studies, etc. Indeed, it can be difficult to read you and sometimes you don’t understand the meaning. And to avoid mistakes, you need to read a lot of classics, and not the current detectives, whose sentence consists of a maximum of 5 words. This is where illiteracy comes from.
        1. Marisat
          +2
          16 June 2014 09: 44
          Quote: natakor1949
          And so that there are no mistakes, you need to read a lot of classics, and not of the current detectives, whose sentence consists of a maximum of 5 words. This is where illiteracy comes from.

          For example, I am chronically illiterate. Although the classics, in addition to Dostoevsky, I read all the rest as a teenager. For me, a good crutch is WORD. Let him make a mistake, but less than me.
          1. Nikolav
            +3
            16 June 2014 15: 09
            There is the so-called innate literacy. Phrases, turnovers, punctuation are stored in memory, even if you have long forgotten the rules. Therefore, you should never refuse to read. I do not want to offend anyone, but do not read in VO, and especially not in the Censor. :))) Here we ourselves often make mistakes in spelling. Preferably, editions prior to 1991. In modern editions, errors come across at every turn.
            1. +1
              16 June 2014 20: 01
              I wanted to say the same, got ahead. I agree with you. What catches the eye. The older generation is much more literate than today's youth. Obviously affects the quality of teaching the Russian language in schools.
              As for non-normative vocabulary, I fully support the site administrators.
              1. +1
                16 June 2014 23: 06
                Here's the confirmation. Painting "Verbal Account." On TV, I watched, as an arithmetic example, that on the blackboard, a seventh grader, a graduate student and a 1st year student of a mathematical university tried to solve. They failed! Http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/106/kfwl708.jpg
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        1. The Art of War
          +1
          16 June 2014 10: 43
          ))) And what can I say, even if the name and surname in many social networks are written with a small letter and the beginning of the sentence too !!!
          1. +1
            16 June 2014 23: 32
            Quote: The Art of War
            if even the name and surname in many social networks are written with a small letter and the beginning of the sentence too !!!


            LTD! You are lucky". I've seen students and female students of St. Petersburg and Moscow, who found it difficult to answer when the Second World War began.
      7. -1
        16 June 2014 10: 24
        Quote: anip
        Is it really that hard to remember?

        raced soul to heaven feet to the police
        Pythagoras theorem can prove? !!!
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 10: 57
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          raced soul to heaven feet to the police

          And where is the grammar?
          ..
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Pythagoras theorem can prove? !!!

          I can. So what? Again, does grammar have anything to do with it?
          ..
          Did you follow the link and look? Remember a couple of questions "what is doing?" and "what to do?" and, accordingly, "tsya" and "tsya" is incredibly difficult? Or is it easier to sculpt a soft sign anywhere?
          1. -1
            16 June 2014 12: 05
            Quote: anip
            And where is the grammar?

            she did the same at school, but not many can remember, and not many can prove it.
          2. -1
            16 June 2014 12: 07
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            I can. So what?

            which evidence can you give?
        2. +7
          16 June 2014 16: 19
          We can: Pythagorean pants, on all sides are equal!
          1. 0
            16 June 2014 22: 41
            The sum of the squares of the legs is equal to the square of the hypotenuse. The proof is harder; twenty years have passed.
            1. +1
              16 June 2014 23: 26
              Quote: Sergey Krymsky
              The sum of the squares of the legs is equal to the square of the hypotenuse.

              The square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the legs fool EGEshnik wassat hi
    4. +5
      16 June 2014 09: 24
      Shoot
    5. +5
      16 June 2014 10: 02
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      Well, finally, right, I support! It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

      Maybe we’ll start with ourselves? Your proposal, according to the rules of the Russian language, should look as follows. Compare.
      Well, finally, right, I support! It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation! hi
      I don't pretend to be a "teacher", but either talk about it and do it right, or not talk at all. drinks
      1. 0
        16 June 2014 10: 17
        Yes, I’m doing fine with errors, for about 15 years I didn’t have to write normally copying with the substitution of the necessary data, I’m not used to the keyboard yet, but now there are fewer errors.
    6. +5
      16 June 2014 10: 22
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

      And you open for us literacy courses. I will be happy to attend your classes!
      But seriously, we are here to talk about painful things! And, I'm sorry, but how we can! I don’t like it, go to the website of the compilers of the EG. It will probably be more interesting there.
      1. 225chay
        +2
        16 June 2014 10: 57
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        If you don’t like it, go to the website of the compilers of the EG. It will probably be more interesting there.


        Haha +
        All right! Literacy is not always decent people, and often villains.
      2. +3
        16 June 2014 11: 09
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Well, finally, right, I support! It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!



        As for the mats I support, they are not needed in the comments. Regarding mistakes, punctuation, punctuation, I do not agree, we are not at school. In addition to Russian speakers, there are comrades from countries near and far abroad whose knowledge of the Russian language is not academic, will you fight with them too?
        1. +1
          16 June 2014 21: 03
          Yes, spawn no one for spelling and grammar is not banned.
          Well, I made warnings a couple of times when, like, he writes Russian in a foreign language. It’s a shame for the state, oddly enough.
  3. +10
    16 June 2014 09: 06
    Great and powerful Russian language!

    There is a common language, but there is indecent.
    Normal language reflects literacy, well-readness, upbringing, etc. In general, the cultural development of an individual. Improve your language, read the classics. wink

    Language indecent - reflects the highest degree of emotion in contraction, both positive and negative. Leave it for personal use ... in moments of solitude, so to speak ... laughing

    PS In an ordinary conversation with a person, you can quite accurately determine whether the interlocutor read "War and Peace" completely and carefully, or did not read, or ran to the top.

    PPS As you say, you live like that. You speak obscene - and so you live. wink
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 09: 54
      Quote: gandalf
      PPS As you say, you live like that. You speak obscene - and so you live.

      Excellent!
      I take myself in the quote box. hi
    2. +1
      16 June 2014 12: 37
      Quote: gandalf
      Great and powerful Russian language!
      ...
      In an ordinary conversation with a person, it is possible to accurately determine whether the interlocutor read "War and Peace" completely and carefully, or did not read, or ran to the top.


      I did not read war and peace.

      VAAAPCHE DO NOT READ!

      conclusion: I am an ignoramus.

      pichalka.

      wassat
      1. 0
        16 June 2014 13: 11
        Quote: Rider
        pichalka.

        And then ....
        Greetings, Sasha! And, ... with regret, we will probably say goodbye ... what crying
        Quote: Kimblee
        there is nothing to pollute the great and the mighty.

        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        For this ban. Permanently

        Quote: Professor
        Natsik and the rude!

        Quote: va3610
        Shoot-a-ah-ah !!!

        hi laughing
        1. +1
          16 June 2014 13: 25
          Quote: Ptah
          And, ... with regret, we will probably say goodbye

          Dzen Good Vadim.
          and why with regret?
          did you decide to leave the site, or just for today?
          1. +1
            16 June 2014 17: 40
            Und Sie nicht krank, Herr Alexander!
            I meant that it will "fly to the jib" for you.
            For such a "revelation" - "War and peace, I have not read it.
            WAAAPCHE DID NOT READ! "
            And for grammar and "mockery of the" Great and Mighty ". That is why "with regret". crying hi
            Therefore, he cited quotes from some "especially patronizing" members of the forum. laughing hi
      2. +2
        16 June 2014 23: 40
        Quote: Rider
        I did not read war and peace.

        VAAAPCHE DO NOT READ!


        Well, without this, you can give the Forum many moderators of this site and still win.
    3. +1
      16 June 2014 13: 17
      Quote: gandalf
      whether the interlocutor read "War and Peace" completely and carefully, or did not read it, or ran to the top.

      Hmm, I, for example, have not read "War and Peace". I just didn't like it, I gave it up. Dostoevsky or Chernyshevsky were then more interesting for me (I'm doing it) smile . And at work sometimes it is necessary to use five abusive words in a sentence of ten words. They won’t understand otherwise.
      But this is primarily a matter of respect for others. If a person is not a youngster, who is beaten with a belt at home, but here comes off anonymously (trains, so to speak), then there is almost always the opportunity to express your thoughts without using obscene language. I have never heard a swear word from my father during his entire 68-year life, although he worked half a life at a construction site. Heroes are not us ...
    4. Kisel
      0
      16 June 2014 23: 43
      Quote: gandalf
      Language indecent - reflects the highest degree of emotion in contraction, both positive and negative. Leave it for personal use ... in moments of solitude, so to speak ...
  4. +3
    16 June 2014 09: 07
    In fact, there is nothing to pollute the great and the mighty.
  5. +6
    16 June 2014 09: 09
    Right.

    It sometimes rolls down to the level of the disrespectful of show business and the Moscow party. But really here the people are much more decent Kirkorov and Sobchak.

    And another administration hi not bad at times to remind us of this. Just to remind.
  6. +19
    16 June 2014 09: 10
    The fact that the forum dirtied no dispute. Rudeness is no longer surprising at all. This is what I never cease to be amazed at is all sorts of Nazis with epithets like "I am beginning to understand Hitler ..." or "In some ways, Hitler was right ...". The most amazing thing is that such comments ALWAYS receive a positive rating and for some reason the moderators do not notice them. And in general, the vision of many moderators is very selective. request
    1. +15
      16 June 2014 09: 14
      Quote: professor
      And indeed, the vision of many moderators is very selective.

      Professor, hto offended again? You have half of the site in the emergency, where you see what else?
      1. +7
        16 June 2014 09: 22
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You have half a saita in the emergency

        Hello Alexander! hi Good Professor hi I would like to take a look at your emergency ... just out of curiosity.
        1. +3
          16 June 2014 09: 41
          Quote: Canep
          I would like to take a look at your emergency ... just out of curiosity.

          Hello, Sergey! Why, there are enough people there, a list will appear on the article laughing
        2. +3
          16 June 2014 09: 46
          Quote: Canep
          I would like to take a look at your emergency ... just out of curiosity.

          I throw it in a personal. By the way, there are 80% of clients who are no longer "active" on the site.
          1. +3
            16 June 2014 09: 48
            Quote: professor
            By the way, there are 80% of clients who are no longer "active" on the site.

            20% "passive" or something laughing Professor, and then Loginova, how did you end up in Natsik?
            1. +1
              16 June 2014 09: 55
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Professor, and then Loginova, how did you end up in Natsik?

              In my emergency, either Natsik or rude.
              1. +6
                16 June 2014 09: 57
                Quote: professor
                In my emergency, either Natsik or rude.

                Natalya Loginova Natsik or rude, yes I beg you professor laughing
                1. +4
                  16 June 2014 10: 02
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Natalya Loginova Natsik or rude, yes I beg you professor

                  Each person has his own limit for the perception of rudeness. Mine is at the level of a well-mannered, educated person (although he served in the navy). Therefore, for example, an individual who allowed me to call me "American litter" is immediately sent to an emergency. I'm old enough not to try to re-educate anyone.

                  PS
                  The presence of an emergency is exactly what kept me from permanently leaving this site.
                  1. +6
                    16 June 2014 10: 11
                    Quote: professor
                    Therefore, for example osby who allowed me to call me "American bedding" is immediately sent to emergency situations.

                    Well, you yourself are not a saint and sometimes your Russophobia crosses the border wink
                    1. +5
                      16 June 2014 10: 18
                      Well, here you still have to fight, both are moroman and behave like they were in different fleets, and on different continents. The main idea of ​​the article is mutual respect, and what I see: the moderator is biting with a consultant, without both of you (both in the place and separately) the site will lose a lot, and you set a great example for the rest.
                      1. +3
                        16 June 2014 10: 38
                        Quote: Canep
                        , and what I see: the moderator is biting with a consultant

                        Well, something like this winked
                      2. +3
                        16 June 2014 11: 00
                        Quote: Canep
                        Well, here you still have to fight, both are moroman and behave like they were in different fleets, and on different continents. The main idea of ​​the article is mutual respect, and what I see: the moderator is biting with a consultant, without both of you (both in the place and separately) the site will lose a lot, and you set a great example for the rest.

                        Our communication here is an example of courteous treatment of an opponent. No use of non-normative vocabulary, insults, etc.
                    2. +1
                      16 June 2014 10: 23
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Well, you yourself are not a saint and sometimes your Russophobia crosses the border


                      I have never been convicted of Russophobia. Never. I earned my 3 warnings for this. One example ATTENTION !!! for calling the liar "a liar", the second for the fact that the user's nickname was translated from Hebrew ("sus" in Hebrew is a horse) and the third for the use of the word propaganda ... (and further a rubber product for personal use intended to prevent unwanted diseases).
                      1. +2
                        16 June 2014 10: 38
                        Quote: professor

                        Never been convicted of Russophobia. Never.

                        I personally wrote to you, as a Professor, slow down, remember wink
                      2. +1
                        16 June 2014 11: 08
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I personally wrote to you, as a Professor, slow down, remember

                        Not true. They could write, only Russophobia was not for us.

                        Quote: retired
                        Those. from Russophobia do not deny, and leash emphasize on the lack of evidence, or what SW. Professor?

                        I am a famous Russophobe, everyone knows that. If I deny, then who will believe? Only when I ask you to give an example from my comments or articles, the maximum that you have to see is a criticism of the shortcomings of Soviet / Russian technology and the tactics of its application.
                      3. 0
                        16 June 2014 15: 21
                        I believed it!
                      4. +5
                        16 June 2014 10: 42
                        Quote: professor
                        Never been convicted of Russophobia.

                        Those. from Russophobia do not deny, and leash emphasize on the lack of evidence, or what SW. Professor? what
                      5. +2
                        16 June 2014 18: 41
                        Quote: professor
                        Never been convicted of Russophobia.

                        feel But the PROFESSOR was not caught using profanity. For what respect.
                      6. 0
                        17 June 2014 00: 08
                        Quote: professor
                        (and further personal use rubber product designed to prevent unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases).


                        You can still wrap matches in this product
                    3. +4
                      16 June 2014 10: 54
                      The professor does not understand that if he will add everyone to the emergency, then he will have no one to treat with his great Israeli and Great American comments. And he really hurts his eyes)))
                      1. +1
                        16 June 2014 15: 38
                        / 0255 /

                        What is "emergency"?
                      2. +1
                        16 June 2014 15: 49
                        Black list. User comments in emergency situations will not be visible in the discussion.
                    4. +4
                      16 June 2014 12: 44
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Well you yourself are not a saint

                      hands off the professor !!!

                      with whom will I butt? !!

                      and so there’s already no one to drive under the key (prof is not about you)

                      it is a joy to my anti-Semitic (and this word is not forbidden?) eyes.

                      (I feel that I’ll earn the first warning)

                      laughing
                  2. 0
                    16 June 2014 12: 03
                    Tell me, professor, did you show your tongue to everyone during your service in the Navy, or did you keep a "fig" in your pocket?
                  3. +2
                    16 June 2014 15: 02
                    Quote: professor
                    Each person has his own limit of perception of rudeness. Mine is at the level of a well-educated, educated person (although he served in the Navy).

                    Well well,Professor...
                    Didn't you, didn't you teach Victoria Nuland "bad words", which she did not disdain to use in relation to the EU, and which, in turn, "learned" (according to Psaki) from Russian sailors "???
                2. +2
                  16 June 2014 12: 06
                  Greetings, Sasha! hi
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: professor
                  In my emergency, either Natsik or rude.

                  I became / it seems / after I wrote about the pictures he posted from some American military exercises, with the "standard" name - "10 photos from ...".
                  He wrote that in every demobil album any kid has a much larger, more informative and LIVING selection. Although not such SETTING, and with a higher resolution (and photo quality) ...

                  I remembered that my first (not that, "first", but the FIRST, about 2 years ago) warning on the site, I snatched from you. Being a "little green sergeant".
                  That's for it -


                  I considered it very correct and fair as a "crime prevention" so that it would not "overclock." There were no disputes and there was no desire to breed, which cannot be said about the current situation.
                  I understand how many. It’s incredible for the visitor, and it became extremely difficult to control the observance of the rules by all and on all branches.
                  Therefore, such "comments" are not rare and can be found in abundance, even dated a week ago. And not only a week ...
                  11


                  What to do? What thoughts and suggestions do the "command" have on this score?

                  And there are also "lovers of visual aids". One colleague even managed in 120 (!!!) PERSONAL COMMENTS belay use only 4 (???) No. offers...
                  But a bunch of "funny (and not so) pictures".
                  Well, the company "kukryniksy is actively trying" ...
                  2


                  3


                  What should be the attitude to such "comments". I don't know either ... what
                  1. 0
                    16 June 2014 13: 59
                    Quote: Ptah
                    Greetings, Sash

                    Healthy drinks I don’t understand, why did you post here request
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2014 18: 06
                      What was categorically suppressed two years ago has now become fashionable. IMHO.
                      And I am against it. But I’m quite calm about somewhere in typos made in a hurry or in the absence of some punctuation marks ...
                      I have on a shelf "Russian language: Handbook of schoolchildren and students, Prostsevichus / mind you - surname (!?) V.E. 564 p. small print "
                      It is IMPOSSIBLE to memorize this. belay what crying

                      Here, the overwhelming majority of members of the forum are quite capable of expressing themselves without "dots and other signs", but it has come to be considered some kind of "chic" to stick in the "veiled" one.

                      Threat. Just one example. Somehow I stuck a sausage picture and a warning arrived with the removal.
                      And the photo on which the (allegedly) naked "Merkel" is still hanging. Presumably ...
                  2. Salamander
                    +2
                    16 June 2014 15: 13
                    Quote: Ptah


                    And there are also "lovers of visual aids". One colleague even managed in 120 (!!!) PERSONAL COMMENTS belay use only 4 (???) No. offers...
                    But a bunch of "funny (and not so) pictures".
                    Well, the company "kukryniksy is actively trying" ...


                    Uh, you are not talking about my sacred person?) I also like to insert pictures - they sometimes express the idea so clearly! For example, a user using Caps lock is blatant. The first option is to try to explain to him that he is wrong with the text (3 sentences or more). The second option is much simpler - a picture like:
                    1. +1
                      16 June 2014 17: 19
                      Quote: Salamander
                      Uh, you are not talking about my sacred person?)
                      No, actually ...
                      I do not want to "point the finger", but whoever needs it, they will understand. I repeat - "in 120 (!!!)" COMMENTS "use only 4 (???) sentences ... And two of them are congratulations on the holiday."
                      Quote: Salamander
                      they sometimes so clearly expressed the idea

                      I agree. There are situations that without an IMAGE it is simply difficult to convey what you wanted. And the pictures contribute to this, but when they REPLACE ...
                      Words, thoughts, lack of necessary and interesting discussion, etc.
                      Then this is the level of comics ...
        3. +1
          16 June 2014 11: 40
          Quote: Canep
          I would like to take a look at your emergency ... just out of curiosity.

          I guess it looks like this ...
          Wishing to place avatars and nicknames themselves.
          1. Salamander
            +1
            16 June 2014 15: 19
            More likely))):

      2. 0
        17 June 2014 08: 13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: professor
        And indeed, the vision of many moderators is very selective.

        Professor, hto offended again? You have half of the site in the emergency, where you see what else?


        Is it correct for the moderator to disclose information hidden from other users of the site?

        I do not know all the moderators - but the most correct in communication and objective in punishment is Apollo.

        And you see quotes ... something to write ... will be superfluous.
    2. +8
      16 June 2014 09: 20
      Quote: professor
      And indeed, the vision of many moderators is very selective.

      Moderators are the same people. Do not deprive them - their point of view.
      The article is correct. +
      1. +5
        16 June 2014 11: 07
        Quote: Boris55
        The article is correct. +

        I agree, right recourse ... But sometimes I want to mumble am !!
        1. +4
          16 June 2014 13: 05
          Quote: retired
          But sometimes you’d like to mumble

          As I understand you!
    3. 0
      16 June 2014 21: 21
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      You're wrong. The most important antisemit site - Professor
      A very correct view of things!

      And you Professor, excuse me for comparisons (well, Duc is not all scientists, for example), like the amphibian that croaked in mud! , and you reproach us with insanity .... request
  7. +4
    16 June 2014 09: 10
    I fully agree with the appeal.
  8. +4
    16 June 2014 09: 12
    The remark is correct and timely. More brain, less mat. I undertake to fulfill. And I urge others.
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 09: 41
      Quote: Stinger
      Correct and timely remark

      I would like to make another proposal by the administration.
      Trolls of all stripes love to roam the site. Their goals are clear to everyone. You can remove them in a civilized way with one click "Report violation of site rules". However, you need to write which rule the troll violated. Some site rules are written out vaguely, which makes it difficult to formulate a violation.
      For example:
      inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, Hohland, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponet, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, Raska (generally referring to Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form) and other similar turns of unnatural speech ;

      I would like the word Russianness и similar turns of unnatural speech have been explained or replaced by more specific language.
      Sincerely.
      1. 0
        16 June 2014 10: 25
        Quote: Anper
        inciting ethnic hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: ..., Jew, USA, ..., Azerbaijani
        I hope that these are not words prohibited on the site, but the result of "editing" your text by a bot.
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 11: 15
          Yes, probably the bot has changed.
      2. 0
        16 June 2014 15: 02
        Words associated with Russia, Russia, Russians in a derogatory manner in order to insult opponents.
        Similarly with other countries, religions, nationalities.
  9. +6
    16 June 2014 09: 15
    Sometimes without a strong word it is difficult to convey the fullness of emotions.
    However, I agree that the use of foul language is an exceptional case.

    Well, okay, I’ll go eat pancakes, collect a matryoshka doll and dance an apple, and the bear will play the balalaika for me.
    1. +1
      16 June 2014 13: 06
      Quote: Petergut
      Sometimes without a strong word it is difficult to convey the fullness of emotions.

      And I have the same opinion.
    2. 0
      16 June 2014 19: 42
      Quote: Petergut
      Sometimes without a strong word

      Itself is a sinner, but (!) We are opposing world evil here, and ourselves, as Nuland.
  10. artefom
    0
    16 June 2014 09: 15
    It would be nice to add a function for sorting comments, by rating, for example.
    1. Salamander
      0
      16 June 2014 15: 28
      Nah, there will be a mess. A comment, for example, is at the top, and the answers to it are much lower. And many comment on the comment - they won’t understand anything at all ... Yes, and everyone will only read comments with a high rating - discrimination, you know)))
  11. +7
    16 June 2014 09: 17
    The censor must be in itself!
    1. Salamander
      0
      16 June 2014 15: 32
      He must, but if he is sleeping? Or on vacation?) Or in proportion?))) Need insurance ...
  12. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 22
    Fair, of course. We will try)))
    1. +1
      16 June 2014 13: 07
      Quote: Jovanni
      Fair, of course. We will try)))

      I will try ....
  13. +9
    16 June 2014 09: 26
    It’s ripe, otherwise such a respected resource is slowly slipping to the level of acting Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine
  14. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 30
    Mat is like a contagious disease. One who mates, involuntarily infects others, like a virus. We will be mutually polite!
  15. ren1999
    0
    16 June 2014 09: 31
    I don't know why, but a couple of times my comments written in normative vocabulary were "hacked" here. I had the impression that the VO uncles did not like my opinion.

    Or the car deleted by mistake, but I have paranoia?
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 09: 50
      Quote: ren1999
      Or the car deleted by mistake, but I have paranoia?

      You have no deleted comments, so the second wink
    2. 0
      16 June 2014 19: 57
      Quote: ren1999
      Do I have paranoia?

      Everything is fine with you. I have already applied a workaround for removing mats. So much so that what is written from the present cannot be distinguished. I read the article, and already saw how my freak in the examples will be displayed - here, paranoia! And you have so ... nonsense.
  16. Krasnodon
    +1
    16 June 2014 09: 33
    Great offer and good if it was the initiative for other sites.
    Although at the moment I think the most intellectual, cultural, democratic and cognitive "Voennoye Obozreniye"
  17. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 34
    I fully support the site administration !!!!!!!
  18. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 34
    I agree with everything. And yet, politeness in communication, first of all, begins with an address (especially to strangers), it is first of all "you", not "you". Yes, polite people capitalize "you" (the pronoun "you" and all its word forms when used as a polite address to one person). wink
    1. +1
      16 June 2014 14: 35
      I use the pronoun "you", as well as surnames with a small letter when I want to emphasize my deep disrespect for someone, for example - McCain - because I physically "hate him", also drugged-psaki, otherwise I do not perceive them.
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  19. Alexey Prikazchikov
    +1
    16 June 2014 09: 35
    But what if most kamenty either have absolutely no meaning or carry fierce nonsense?
    1. +1
      16 June 2014 09: 52
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      But what if most kamenty either have absolutely no meaning or carry fierce nonsense?

      Alexei, you ask a question that is difficult to answer, given your comments and a bunch of banned accounts. Do you say this, a lot of mates and rudeness.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        0
        16 June 2014 16: 08
        Alexei, you ask a question that is difficult to answer, given your comments and a bunch of banned accounts. Do you say this, a lot of mates and rudeness.


        I have one account and it is quite old. With regards to rudeness, personally I just do not have the patience to read this in comments.
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 16: 16
          So do not read, there is an emergency in which you can add everyone who you think is not worthy of seeing your writings. What is the problem!?
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. +1
      16 June 2014 10: 27
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      But what if most kamenty either have absolutely no meaning or carry fierce nonsense?


      Learning (even if based on your own mistakes) correctly and clearly convey your thoughts to people.
    3. +1
      16 June 2014 13: 10
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      But what if most kamenty either have absolutely no meaning or carry fierce nonsense?

      Learn the grammar of the Russian language.
    4. +1
      16 June 2014 15: 04
      Do you propose introducing professional exams on the right to write comments ?!
      I wonder what profile?
      1. 0
        16 June 2014 15: 12
        Quote: urzul
        I wonder what profile?

        Urzul, a hundred years at lunch. I already thought everything, you disappeared forever crying
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 15: 14
          I read the news, but I rarely visit the site itself.
          No time at all
  20. 0
    16 June 2014 09: 35
    I completely agree. Although sometimes you want to speak rudely, it often happens when it comes to Ukraine and the United States. am
  21. pink
    +3
    16 June 2014 09: 35
    Orthodoxy condemns the mat, considers it a sin and the inheritance of ignoramuses and boors
  22. 0
    16 June 2014 09: 36
    I agree completely ... he is sinful ... emotions are overwhelming ....
  23. +6
    16 June 2014 09: 38
    Fairly written! For a long time I have been surprised by many regular visitors who arrange a personal skirmish from the comments for a general review, instead of finding out the relationship in private messages! Such "comrades" must be strictly warned, I think.
    Anyway, has the site left, in connection with the events in Ukraine, its main theme reflected in the title?
    1. +1
      16 June 2014 13: 47
      Quote: Starover_Z
      Anyway, has the site left, in connection with the events in Ukraine, its main theme reflected in the title?

      I would say this: a self-respecting "officer" should be able not only to give commands "At attention" and "Freely", "Load" and "Release", but also to maintain a little conversation on topics that are abstracted directly from the war.
    2. 0
      16 June 2014 15: 05
      The site regularly goes into relevant topics, be it elections, conflicts, or any other resonant events.
  24. +5
    16 June 2014 09: 38
    I noticed some nervousness in relation to the flags that are next to the nickname. If the flag is American or (God forbid) Israeli, then for some it is like a red rag for a bull. Recently, a bucket of slop was poured onto a man from Kazakhstan, due to the fact that he had the American flag flashing. For ethnic strife, it is necessary to punish, and sometimes such dumps are obtained.
  25. +6
    16 June 2014 09: 39
    In the army, they don't swear, in the army they talk swearing. As a former I find it difficult to resist a three-story in the light of the events in Ukraine, for example. But, out of respect for the authors, the forum, for the work of the moderators, having gathered my flimsy will into a fist, I do not swear in the comments. Only out loud, especially after "psakov", my wife got used to it.
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 13: 49
      Quote: Carlos
      They don’t swear in the army, they talk in the army.

      And some do IT masterly. On the brink of art. In the mornings, Chukhin at EVAKU set the task for the garage that even women from the department of aesthetics came to listen to the art of Russian folk speech ..
  26. +2
    16 June 2014 09: 41
    The atmosphere of the discussion is often not bad, the main thing is a minimum of insults against each other, and various political "figures" usually do not call anything to themselves except for mate, so do not judge strictly, this is not a site for housewives request
  27. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 41
    Say no to swear, but what else do you call the United States and its actions ?! laughing
    Bad guys are doing wrong - right ?! The mat expresses not only the emotional attitude, but also the degree of the described and criticized pas.kud.stva (this is a swearing, but not obscene word). Okay, I’ll try not to call them here anymore ******* *******. winked
    1. +3
      16 June 2014 09: 48
      Quote: vvvvv
      Say no to swear, but what else do you call the United States and its actions ?!

      Redefine the classics of Russian cinema of the times of the USSR.

  28. +3
    16 June 2014 09: 43
    Mat - an integral component of the Russian Language, and the most energetically charged.
    Without a mat Russian Language is like vodka without degrees. Without ".... your mother!", As you know, and the projectile does not fly well.
    The problem is not in the mate as such, but in how and for what purpose it is used.
    If a person speaks obscenities this is one thing. This is a clogging of speech and leveling of the semantic and energy component. If you swear, i.e. do not communicate, but express their indignation, then this is completely different.
    It seems to me that there is a huge share of formalism in this matter. To offend the opponent, you can humiliate him without a mat. By the way, more than once I met this from the side of moderators in general and the Author in particular.
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 10: 07
      Yes, sometimes a decent word can hit harder than a fist.
      I completely agree with the appeal.
    2. +2
      16 June 2014 13: 36
      Quote: Normal
      If a person speaks obscenities this is one thing. This is a clogging of speech and leveling of the semantic and energy component. If you swear, i.e. do not communicate, but express their indignation, then this is completely different

      Very often on the streets of the city you witness such a situation: two women-friends are walking (one of them is leading a child by the hand) and talking like: "and I .. (damn-damn); and he ... (damn-damn); and we ... (damn it, damn it) "The age of women is 18,20,25,30,40 years. Every time you experience unpleasant feelings for these people. But there are situations when you almost physically feel that the" normative "words cannot fully express emotions (fully characterize the situation). About grammar: "comment" instead of "comment", comment is one thing; but sometimes, knowing the "correct" grammar, you deliberately break, "adjusting" to your emotions ,feelings.
  29. +1
    16 June 2014 09: 51
    It's just that sometimes it’s impossible without a mat! But a lot of mat is also bad! My opinion, it should be in moderation!
  30. P-38
    +1
    16 June 2014 09: 53
    Tolstoy and Dostoevsky wrote without a mat, but they could hurt so that some of the most enlightened supporters of the West are still offended. True, indecently it turns out. One of the comrades said correctly, it is impossible to go down to the level of Deshchitsa. And the Russian language without obscene language is quite possible and does not lose anything, at a certain level of writing culture. So I agree, I did not abuse it myself, but the eye hurts.
  31. +3
    16 June 2014 09: 56
    Not so long ago I got to you with NNM.RU just because of the complete and irrevocable rolling of comments into the trash from solid matyuk. What is remarkable, the apotheosis came after the Maidan, although before there was a lot of garbage. There, too, there were many calls for respect and culture, but to no avail.
    I mean, unfortunately, the calls will not stop there. I think poorly in this regard, but for sure there are programs that hide obscene words to facilitate moderation. Well, an extreme case is simply to ban those who breed an incomprehensible srach, because I think it makes no sense to wait for a constructive from such comrades in the future. Plus, attract interested persons from verified old-timers to moderation.
    I read VO for a long time, although I registered recently, and I always liked the culture of commenting here. I really would not want everything to slip into the trash, therefore you need to think about how to prevent this, unfortunately you will not help with some calls! Good luck to the Administration!
  32. +3
    16 June 2014 09: 56
    I will join the opinion of many, including the opinion of the author. We are adults, educated people. It is useless to use swear words at least because of respect for the interlocutor.

    Also, please note the correctness of the "Professor"
    Quote: “This is what I never cease to be amazed at is all sorts of Nazis with epithets like“ I am beginning to understand Hitler ... ”or“ In some ways, Hitler was right ... ”. The most amazing thing is that such comments ALWAYS get a positive rating and for some reason the moderators do not notice them "

    Personally, I don’t understand how this character could be right at least in some way? I think you should not be compared to our troubled neighbors, former compatriots in their desire to throw mud and blame everyone and everything for their problems.
  33. +3
    16 June 2014 09: 57
    Instead of setting new filters or asking them not to express themselves, you just need to temporarily block them, otherwise they will not understand.
  34. Dmitro_d
    0
    16 June 2014 09: 58
    CORRECTLY AGREE !!!
  35. 0
    16 June 2014 09: 58
    Politeness of the city takes.
  36. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 08
    Behind both hands .... Tired of reading mats, but those who do not speak Russian or intentionally harm the site are expressed in this way. You don’t need to be like the Yankees, our liberals have brought a lot from their culture, now we are reaping and wondering why Ukrainians became frank Russophobes why the fascists appear. We need our own culture, Russian. Let's rebuild, learn good and abroad.
  37. +3
    16 June 2014 10: 09
    Cultured people do not swear - if only because they know a lot of alternatives to profanity. After all, our great and mighty keeps so many amazing old and dialectic words, with the help of which you can not only express your “fairy” to a person, but also discourage him, surprise and even delight in something. Bright Side presents you with dozens of such expressions divided into categories for added convenience.
    Source: http://www.adme.ru/vdohnovenie-919705/starinnye-russkie-obzyvatelstva-702460/ © AdMe.ru
    The origin of the curses http://www.adme.ru/bukvotvorchestvo/proishozhdenie-rugatelstv-625405/
    1. 0
      16 June 2014 22: 16
      Oh, thanks! Cool resource - Bright Side! Dumbfounded immediately! Like a hybrid of a mutt and its obscene counterpart!
  38. 0
    16 June 2014 10: 13
    I propose to add: to ban the mat in all languages ​​of the world, to go out for a smoke break, it will be aired. hi
  39. +3
    16 June 2014 10: 18
    support and forgive me too. guilty, especially in "3.14 ...." It is necessary to somehow control emotions.
    U.O. - the best forum. Not a hunt for problems to start here ...
    1. 0
      16 June 2014 11: 39
      Quote: Magadan
      support and forgive me too. guilty, especially in "3.14 ...." It is necessary to somehow control emotions.
      U.O. - the best forum. Not a hunt for problems to start here ...

      3,14 not math, but mathematics, they won’t go to PI, they will go over to the Pythagorean theorem. I think so. belay
  40. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 18
    Well, that's right. That's just obscene, mostly self-affirm either young people up to 23 years, or simply not cultured people. For the former, this passes, maximum after 23, while others do not. It is difficult to urge to stop using the mat and those and others. Although maybe I'm wrong.
  41. +5
    16 June 2014 10: 19
    At one time, the absence of mat in the comments made me stop at this site. So everything is true, there is nothing to clog the great and mighty. "Censor" to read - so the ears involuntarily roll up into tubes, enough for 1-2 minutes, just a grandiose decline in morals in the former Ukraine. There is nothing for us to be like them. Speech must be filtered.
  42. +2
    16 June 2014 10: 27
    I fully support ... The Voennoye Obozreniye website and I believe that the people communicating here have or had to do with the army and the navy. So this is what I mean, in tsarist times for foul language publicly (and we are not sure that there are ladies), and even more so when the ladies were called to a duel. And secondly, the Russian language is rich enough to express myself without the use of obscene expressions.
  43. +4
    16 June 2014 10: 33
    The problem is not only in the mat, but also in the QUALITY of comments! When I started to read the site, the quality was very high, now 80-90% of comments are about nothing ...
  44. Georgich
    0
    16 June 2014 10: 35
    Yes, it can break out in certain moments, but to deliberately insert a mat into speech is to trash the Great Mighty Language, the language in which the Orthodox speak prayers with God.
  45. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 38
    I never cease to say that there is an inversely proportional relationship between the amount of mat and the presence of mind and education. Mat has its own niche. And everyone knows where he is, I am not afraid to say, appropriate.
    However, I think everyone has come across the fact that common words are banned for VO. It is curious to know how the "black" word list is replenished.
  46. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 40
    Entirely and fully support! Too many people have divorced who believe that the stronger the word, the cooler. Do not be compared to all Deschitsy there!
  47. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 42
    I agree completely (with appeal).
    Respect for the opinion of the interlocutors, this is self-respect.
    (He himself once wrote a veiled swindler, after which he had a conversation with moderation, where they explained my mistake to me very delicately and politely). smile
  48. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 43
    I fully support the appeal! It is necessary to observe the purity of your speech. The use of swear words, and even more so, profanity shows not only the intellectual level of the commentator, but also respect. Respect not only to the interlocutors, but, first of all, in oneself.
    By the way, at one time I was attracted to this site not only by extremely interesting articles, but also by the deep and interesting comments of many visitors. Unfortunately this bar has fallen a bit. Therefore, this appeal appeared right on time.
  49. +2
    16 June 2014 10: 46
    I fully agree with the site administration. Previously, comments were "cleaner", and recently there has been an unspoken competition in expressing thoughts through non-normative vocabulary. At the same time, I believe that the definitions used by the authors of publications and presented to the audience of the site as an integral part of the text, such as "dill", "Banderlog", "maydauny", etc. applicable without restriction. hi
  50. +4
    16 June 2014 10: 47
    Your Majesty! The Honorable His Majesty Moderator! Yesterday I accidentally cursed, I confess! I hope you, as a kind person, forgive me for this sin! With a deep bow to you, servant of God Agent 008 ...
  51. +1
    16 June 2014 10: 48
    I completely agree. More and more schoolchildren or young people of the same level are being noticed in the comments
  52. +2
    16 June 2014 10: 50
    However, having hit our finger with a hammer, we will still remember the Great Mighty Russian language fellow Why am I doing this? A-ah-ah, but I just had to say it wassat
    1. +2
      16 June 2014 15: 51
      This radish, bad man dropped the battery on my leg. Bastard!
    2. The comment was deleted.
  53. +2
    16 June 2014 10: 52
    Quote: 311ove
    It is also imperative to fight with those who make mistakes in punctuation!

    It’s not my fault that in the second grade my school in my village burned down! And so - I am a patriot!!!
  54. +3
    16 June 2014 10: 54
    Our respect to comrade moderator. I enjoy reading your articles.
  55. +5
    16 June 2014 11: 05
    Dear Banshee!

    Moreover, the word Dear is not just a tribute to style, but a completely conscious attitude towards the author. What is written in the article is correct, but there are, as they say, nuances.
    I would like to point out that sometimes the moderation principle of “no matter what you think, let me delete it” or the inclusion of completely literary words in the list of prohibited words works on the site, and this is language. Happened to me several times. In addition, no one would think of moderating Dostoevsky with his work title “I.D.I.O.T,” or removing the word “s.u.ka” from Tolstoy, but this is done easily on the site. Sometimes it is necessary to use the “correct” expressions to briefly describe a situation or person. Yes, you can do without swearing, but then you need to stop banning literary expressions. You understand that the stricter the prohibitions, the higher the likelihood of escaping them using figurative descriptions. Yes, instead of the word “I.D.I.O.T,” you can write “a person suffering from a severe form of mental retardation,” do you need it? Culture did not absorb words and terms in order for the principle of blind censorship to work. Or do you think it’s right to start looking for all sorts of substitute expressions like “a person of non-traditional sexual orientation”? For me, this is exactly what is worth moving away from. Yes, swearing is bad. No, literary expressions and terms cannot be prohibited.
    1. 0
      16 June 2014 15: 12
      Are you a certified psychiatrist? To voice diagnoses to people.
      1. +2
        16 June 2014 16: 57
        Based on the adequacy of the actions and reactions of some individuals, it is possible to draw conclusions about the state of mental health even without education in the field of psychiatry.
        1. 0
          16 June 2014 22: 57
          Quote: Pacifist
          Based on the adequacy of the actions and reactions of some individuals, it is possible to draw conclusions about the state of mental health even without education in the field of psychiatry.


          I don’t remember where I read it:
          "The assessments that we give to other people characterize not so much these people as ourselves. Our passions and preferences."
    2. Nikolav
      +1
      16 June 2014 16: 42
      I agree with you. Some points are unclear.
      “Yes, that’s what I was taught at school. The Chinese live in China, the Germans live in Germany, the Jews live in this... Israel, and the blacks live in Africa.” --- Danila Bagrov (Sergei Bodrov Jr.) film Brother 2...
  56. Lexx58
    +1
    16 June 2014 11: 07
    Russians have already shown that they can be polite. - Quote
    Nowadays, being polite and carrying a gun is more promising.
    “Give me an AK-74, a spare horn, and the world will be a better place.” Two horns, however, are not enough. “I didn’t say it would be perfect...”
  57. 0
    16 June 2014 11: 14
    I have a normal attitude towards profanity. By the way, it essentially means all sexual perversions. But that's not the point. It is acceptable, in my opinion, in private conversation between acquaintances, or at least in the Army service. Still, capacious and intelligible teams are obtained. But in this case, on this site this is certainly unacceptable. Although, of course, we know Barkov’s poems, and they are still considered a cultural heritage. And the moderators, apparently an Autobot, delete words that do not carry the load of profanity. And for some reason they add the endings of words for me that I didn’t mean - like, I write Ukrainian, meaning Ukraine, and in the post they add letters and it turns out Ukrainian. The meaning is sometimes distorted. Somehow this is my opinion. By the way, letters have been added again, I’m making changes. I write ukrtochka (dot sign) and in the end you see - Ukrainian.
  58. +1
    16 June 2014 11: 23
    Quote: punk
    Quote: Mitek
    Of course it is. Cutting all the obscenities we are likened to proud ukra ... And this is not the case.

    yes right. we are polite people

    No, POLITE PEOPLE are our valiant army, and we, the civilian population, unfortunately are not always polite...
  59. +2
    16 June 2014 11: 23
    Correct article! Many media outlets refer to VO, so we should take care of our site and IMPROVE its authority, and not lower it
  60. +2
    16 June 2014 11: 27
    Mat is an emotion, a cry, an exhalation. Well..? "What's out is out..."

    Trying to represent THIS using a keyboard is something else entirely. Between emotion and hands, most people have a central nervous system. And some don't. They have, so to speak, a direct communication channel. A kind of pathology. The desire to splash everyone around with spiritual abomination and enjoy it.

    In my opinion, there is no difference between swearing here and on the fence or in a public toilet. As well as between “authors” - here and “there”.
  61. +1
    16 June 2014 11: 31
    I agree, I repent, I will improve
  62. Matroskin 18
    +3
    16 June 2014 11: 38
    Comments are a component that you cannot do without. Although many online media easily make do, so as not to make hemorrhoids with moderation.

    This site, I will say, has become interesting to me personally precisely because each topic here is subject to competently presented different points of view, which are displayed precisely in the COMMENTS. For comparison, take the same Censor... the comments are disgusting to read, and they don’t particularly shine with intelligence!
  63. Rayden
    0
    16 June 2014 11: 45
    People here write very good articles, the comments are also interesting, there is almost no blah and provocateur.
  64. 0
    16 June 2014 11: 52
    I completely agree with the rules, I’ve been reading this site for probably a year and a half now) Sorry, off topic, but I’ll take this opportunity to ask: About six months ago, the “Geopolitical Mosaic” column stopped publishing. It was very interesting to read it, are there plans to restore it?
  65. +1
    16 June 2014 11: 56
    Dear friends, The site is truly EXCELLENT, especially the Analytical and Information part. I would really not like to litter it with foul language and nationalist demagoguery.
  66. 0
    16 June 2014 12: 02
    It’s probably high time to post on a separate page the rules for registration, use of the site, warnings, posting photos and videos, the conflict room, the dueling room.
  67. +3
    16 June 2014 12: 11
    Everything is correct! But something haunts me to finally and resignedly agree with the respected administration. Still, there are cases when you can’t remove words from a song, no matter how you look at it. Or rather, you can throw it out, but then the porridge won’t be salty and the compote won’t be sweet.

    I can even give you a clear example from life:

    The call

    1987 SEA (southeast Atlantic), onboard RTMA "Oktyabrskoye"
    In an attempt to catch a fish called "Hake".
    Communication with the Motherland (private negotiations) was carried out mainly through the Kiev Radio Center, call sign UJQ7. Communication in this area is usually stable; radio waves prefer to propagate along the meridians. The Kiev radio center belonged to the MRKh (Ministry of Fisheries), and operated in radiotelephony mode around the clock.
    Why am I focusing on this? It’s just that by that time, all radio centers of the Ministry of the Navy provided this service only until 23:00 local time, so as not to disturb the restless sleep of the inhabitants of the USSR.
    Crew members who wanted to talk to their family and friends signed up for a queue in the radio room. I, being a radio operator, if there were people willing and had free time, got in touch with the radio center, got my number in the queue, and patiently waited for a pleasant female voice to sound on the air: “RTMA Oktyabrskoe is calling Kyiv-radio.”
    The trawler's crew consisted mainly of Georgians. The six-month voyage had just begun, and the young motorman, who had recently married, Gia Potskishvili, was nervously smoking on the bridge, waiting for a conversation. The owner of such a rare and exotic surname tried to avoid meeting with a sailor from Odessa, who was clearly haunted by this surname. Linguists who know Hebrew and Odessa slang, I think they already understand me.
    Gia's young wife was from Dnepropetrovsk. How Gia came to Ukraine, got married, and why his wife left her maiden name will be beyond the scope of this story.
    At 02:30 Moscow time, the long-awaited voice of the telephone operator sounded: “Oktyabrskoye - Kyiv radio, Dnepropetrovsk, Korolenko, phone number ....., in touch, talk!”
    Giya, having picked up the phone and having been instructed by me in advance when to press the PTT button and speak and when to listen, shouted “Hello, Valya!”
    At the other end of the line, a man’s voice answered with a hoarse, sleepy voice: “Yes... and who are you?” To which Gia, having first specified the phone number, replied: “Like who, HUSBAND!”
    The voice thought for a while and said: “Not 3.14! Her husband is on a flight!” and hung up.
    After that there were remarks from the telephone operator about obscene language on the air, the ship’s doctor, and six long months of the voyage, but that was later...

    So replace the word “don’t lie” with “don’t lie” and what will happen?

    Good and competent command of your language is also a weapon. But this weapon must be directed primarily against ignorance, lies and human vices.

    And most importantly, everything should be in moderation.
  68. +1
    16 June 2014 12: 26
    Gentlemen! If earlier the Mr. Officer “was clean-shaven, slightly drunk and knew from Bach to Fierbach, and now…” there is no need to be like an ellipsis. I suppose the majority took an OATH, and the OFFICER is both a father, and an educator, and dear mother. I agree with the MODERATORS. (at home no one will say a swear word, because Beloved “A shadow ran across my beloved’s face and a look so usually meek flashed...., The last thing I saw that day was the black disk of a cast-iron frying pan" -The verse was stolen somewhere, but it’s relevant)
  69. 0
    16 June 2014 12: 31
    Of course, as A.P. Chekhov said: “... swearing from poverty of mind,” but sometimes you read something that makes you want not only to swear, but also to simply kill the provocateur troll! But that’s not what I’m talking about; sometimes in response to a comment you receive a message that your comment contains unacceptable things. What is unacceptable and for whom if there is no swearing or insults! Will you figure out what is unacceptable and for whom or are you working under the control of the US State Department?
  70. -1
    16 June 2014 12: 38
    why not stop discussing politics, Ukraine, etc. those that provoke unprintable expressions? This is all discussed on a bunch of other resources. It might be worth taking a look at the site title and starting a discussion about weapons, uniforms, etc. without connection to politics?
  71. +2
    16 June 2014 12: 40
    I support the site administration, but it won’t work without swearing.
  72. 0
    16 June 2014 12: 50
    Good afternoon!
    Quote: Ptah
    You need to put a blocker. I only have 18 applets blocked from this page, as well as the background of the page ...

    It is worth ABPalso blocks on this page 17garbage applets ...
  73. +1
    16 June 2014 12: 53
    In general, the recommendation is correct. Indeed, you need to publicly express your opinion in a reasoned manner and in parliamentary expressions, without degrading insults, but if all of us, participants in this forum, express ourselves exclusively like Lavrov and Churkin, then it seems to me that the forum will lose somewhere in sincerity! After all, sometimes the strong and on time a spoken word in a private conversation between like-minded people can more fully express their attitude to what is happening!
    Sometimes you get boiling and you can’t resist, assuming that you are not in the meeting room of the State Duma, but in a serious area, but similar to a smoking room, where adults discuss this or that situation during breaks between work!
    I agree that outright rudeness is not acceptable, but sleek dialogue does not inspire confidence!
  74. 0
    16 June 2014 13: 27
    Quote: jktu66
    I have not used swear words for five years. Don’t argue, the essence can be expressed in human language, and briefly


    But some people just don’t succeed in doing this. The intellect is strained!

  75. +1
    16 June 2014 13: 30
    Today they deleted my comment, but what did I say, “the administration doesn’t give a fuck.”, and what was meant, it turns out I thought a bad word, that’s all, expressing the real attitude of those in power in my city towards the migrants who filled it. For some reason, Vladimir Solovyov in his program on Vesti FM does not consider the expression “fuck”. and nah. swear word and I agree with him, everyone speculates for themselves, the moderator suspected me of using obscene language, but this is not so, you never know what I meant, for example, “the administration is feeling better.”
  76. 0
    16 June 2014 13: 49
    Someday VO will be closed for extremism and inciting ethnic hatred, manifestation of racial and national hostility in the comments.
    Fellow administrators, for the last 2 or 3 days the site has been loading after the 100500th update, error 502. Is everything okay with you?
  77. 0
    16 June 2014 14: 08
    Sometimes I don’t want to write swear words, but I have to. For anyone with the same problem, I suggest writing an “unprintable word” like Bulgakov...and politely (relatively) and the meaning is clear...
  78. Praetorian
    0
    16 June 2014 14: 34
    And I just left an incorrect comment today - it’s embarrassing =(...
  79. 0
    16 June 2014 14: 46
    Dear Normal! Totally agree with you. Mat It is for swearing, not for conversation. Otherwise it loses its meaning. And for conversation, according to observations, it is used by very limited development people, and even migrants trying to show that they are RUSSIAN.
    1. Kisel
      0
      17 June 2014 01: 56

      Quote: a.hamster55
      Mat It is for swearing, not for conversation. Otherwise it loses its meaning.
      - laughing
  80. +1
    16 June 2014 15: 01
    Indeed, comments should be an addition to the coverage of the topic, using your experience, your vision. I propose to block a forum participant for systematic violation of the site's operating conditions. For some reason, there is a widespread opinion that the more swearing, the brighter the meaning... this is a fallacy.
  81. +2
    16 June 2014 15: 19
    It's one thing not to use slang. Another thing is obscene language. So, the more picky the censorship is, the more obscene words it finds. If for some reason the censor did not like a harsh, but literary word, this does not mean at all that this obscene word has migrated to the category of obscenities. And the northern fur-bearing animal in any context of the text will always remain the northern fur-bearing animal, so that the censor does not think about it due to his depravity.
  82. +2
    16 June 2014 15: 25
    I completely agree with Banshee.
    The only question is what is considered profanity. Checkmate - that goes without saying. But the word "ass"? It is present in the works of famous Russian writers; it briefly denotes a part of the human body, which otherwise would be verbose to describe. The word "" (here is an example of auto-moderation. I meant the word "yod"), applied to a person who was one of the initiators of the Maidan due to non-signing of the association with the EU, and is now in the government, which itself does not sign the association, who calls Russians " subhumans" ("Untermensch" - called the fascists), who is leading Ukraine to blood and death (Yatsenyuk) - is it wrong to apply this word to this creature? Well, it’s not right to call him a man, is it? This word certainly does not fall under the definition of “profanity”. Literary word.
    Further: the words “Khokhol”, “zh.i.d” are literary words. For example, “Khokhol” is heard repeatedly in Gogol. “zh.i.d” in pre-revolutionary Russia was generally one of the official names of nationality. Now suddenly it’s an insult. Along with “Jew,” the word “Russian” was used to name another nationality at the same time. Is this also an insult? Then one not very sober politician introduced the word “Russian”. How to perceive this?
    And by the way, is calling this politician a “Judas” an insult or a statement of the fact of the results of his activities? Because the result was the sale of the Motherland. (Sakhalin-1, Sakhalin-2, 500 tons of nuclear fuel as a gift to America and this is a speck of dust in his activities). Is calling Chubais a thief an insult or an assessment of his contribution to the development of the electric power industry in Russia? (Today we cannot transfer energy from Siberia, where there is an excess of production capacity, to the European part, where the bulk of consumers are. Network equipment in RosTechNadzor is listed under the “scrap metal” column. And where did the billions of the state go and those received from auctions for the sale of our electric power industry to Westerners? ?)
    Not a single phrase makes sense outside the context of the situation in which it is spoken (written). The same phrase in one situation is an insult, in another it is a statement of fact. Moderation cannot be approached mechanically. Emotions are one of the ways to convey the meaning of a phrase. Remove emotions from a person’s speech - what remains? Even the proof of the Pythagorean theorem carries an emotional load.
    By the way, I must note the high tolerance and caution of the moderators on topware. The rules are strict, but their application is contextual. As a person who has been visiting the site daily for 2 years or more, and who is also not very restrained in his statements, I would like to note the professionalism of the administration. I hate to say this - many will consider it flattery - but I am grateful for the balanced and adequate approach to assessing my comments. (I could fly out more than once).
    I didn’t want to offend anyone, I don’t want to argue with anyone.
    1. Kisel
      0
      17 June 2014 02: 06

      “I do not share your beliefs, but I am ready to die for your right to express them”
  83. 0
    16 June 2014 15: 41
    Mmmm _
    Quote: Banshee
    proving that everyone can be polite and cultured without a machine gun would be great.

    May be . So far it has only been proven_
    a kind word and a gun are much more convincing than just a kind word

    hi
  84. 0
    16 June 2014 15: 42
    Quote: a.hamster55
    Dear Normal! Totally agree with you. Mat It is for swearing, not for conversation. Otherwise it loses its meaning. And for conversation, according to observations, it is used by very limited development people, and even migrants trying to show that they are RUSSIAN.

    What are you saying, you actually served in the army, as my company commander said, you can’t talk to you without swearing, you don’t understand Russian words.
  85. 0
    16 June 2014 15: 45
    I agree with the site administration. I hardly write comments myself, I don’t have time, but I read articles. Quite often, excellent articles began to come across that, indeed, can be referenced.

    As for “swearing,” it seems to me that it is better to call it foul language, through which everyone is defiled: both the writer and the reader...
  86. 0
    16 June 2014 15: 56
    Here on my table lies the complete collected works of A.S. Pushkin (I’m not showing off, it’s true) pre-revolutionary, so here the sun of Russian poetry sometimes degenerates so much that you’re shocked, but it’s beautiful, very beautiful, you can’t escape it, he’s a genius in everything. But I’ll try to swear less often.
    1. -1
      16 June 2014 16: 35
      Forgive me, but during his lifetime the Sun of Russian poetry did not always have pure thoughts and he rethought a lot of things when he was wounded in a duel. Lying on his deathbed, Pushkin suddenly saw with all clarity his bright and cheerful life, how much he had sinned, and suddenly a deep feeling of repentance came over him. A few minutes before his death, he suddenly realized that his life was sinful. And, most importantly, he saw the light of insight. He repented and took communion. He passed away a truly Orthodox man.
      Unfortunately, not everyone knows that swearing is a desecration of the Most Holy Theotokos herself. A person who knows how to use a strong word drives away the Grace of God and curses himself and his offspring for several generations.
      It's a pity that so many people don't know this. But you can find out about this very easily by coming to the Church and starting your life by joining the Church like our distant ancestors, fighting for Rus', being deeply religious people, and even monks.
  87. -1
    16 June 2014 16: 19
    Well, what kind of people are we? I read some comments on this appeal and the attitude towards their authors, to put it mildly, slightly worsened. It seems that for some site visitors it is important to simply DISCUSS anything and everything, regardless of the topic. What are you, market money? You are simply politely, I note POLITELY, reminded of the RULES of conduct on the site. At the same time, no one forced you to this site, and you, wanting to express your opinion, agreed to some restrictions. And now, suddenly we turn on the back one, they say there’s no way without swearing, we discuss it, we’re ironic.
    I didn’t expect at all that there would be so many comments under this appeal, so what’s there to comment on?
    You can say that you yourself are no better, but I sincerely believe that in this case we are making a mountain out of a molehill, there is a website, there are rules, if you don’t like it, goodbye and there is nothing to discuss here.
    1. Kisel
      0
      17 June 2014 02: 58
      Quote: 205577
      there is a website, there are rules, if you don’t like it, goodbye and there’s nothing to discuss here

      that is, take it for granted... robot

      “Think and let others think too”
  88. 0
    16 June 2014 16: 24
    I completely agree with the author of the article. Our RUSSIAN LANGUAGE is GREAT AND POWERFUL enough to express ANY thought and emotion in SEVERAL ways. Lomonosov called it "calm". Mat refers to the “low calm”, suitable for public abuse and conversations of “mean” people. But not for communication between respected and self-respecting interlocutors. Although not always candidates of science, they are clearly “burdened” with higher nervous activity. smile
    Matyuk is not a sign of Russianness. Foreigners learn this at once. And first of all.
    Scientific information: ALL swear words are interjection pronouns. Information - minimum. Only emotions...
    Something like: Well, this and that... this, in short... like there! Here!
    If you provide expressive gestures, no more words are needed.
    But this is in ORAL speech. The writing is primitive! And you and I are not Psaki!
    I am also pleased with the smooth flow of the conversation on literacy.
    Therefore: Long live the Russian language, acceptable in decent society! So that you won’t be ashamed to show the site to your children (and grandchildren).
    We are all part of the RUSSIAN WORLD! And a clean and beautiful language is its most important bond.
  89. +1
    16 June 2014 16: 34
    Quote: gandalf
    P.P.S. As you speak, so you live. If you use swear words, that’s how you live. wink

    "Everyone writes as he hears,
    everyone can hear him breathing.
    As he breathes, so writes
    without trying to please.
    So nature wanted
    why is it none of our business?
    Why shouldn’t we judge?” (c)
    B.Sh. Okudzhava "Historical novel"
  90. +1
    16 June 2014 16: 55
    In general, I read the comments and came to the conclusion: Dear admins and moderators, since the unit of measurement -1 psaka has long been almost officially introduced to determine the intellectual level, then to determine the cultural level I propose introducing a unit - 1 deshitsa. I think it’s clear why wink
  91. Jet
    +2
    16 June 2014 16: 57
    Dear moderator, tell me then, for what purpose are you deleting absolutely correct comments that, in your opinion, do not correspond to the general policy of the Russian Federation and your site in particular, but leaving those in which non-Russian citizens are called all sorts of names, namely chumps, ami, paddling pools, I already I’m silent about Ukrainian fascists and so on?! Moreover, this practice occurs in almost every article.
  92. 0
    16 June 2014 17: 05
    Hi all !!!! I rarely use swear words and only when they bother me!!!!!! Mistakes, yes. I do them, unfortunately very often, and sometimes a lot. But not from illiteracy, my nails are long, and on a netbook the buttons are small)))))) and on a tablet it’s even worse, so this problem can only be dealt with by tearing off my hands, because I won’t cut my nails))))) otherwise what should I scratch with????? and so, I agree with all the ideas in this article, but the moderators are people too, and sometimes, although they will delete comments, they don’t swear at me too much)))))
  93. +1
    16 June 2014 17: 10
    I fully support it, although sometimes I understand that it is simply impossible to describe the situation without swearing. But if it’s impossible, then it’s impossible!
    1. Kisel
      0
      17 June 2014 03: 08
      Quote: demotivator
      But if it’s impossible, then it’s impossible!
  94. 0
    16 June 2014 17: 11
    You're right! I won’t answer for everyone, but everything written is true! Even when you are in a temper, sometimes you screw it up...! I will answer for myself - watch your speech, avoid profanity!
  95. 0
    16 June 2014 17: 13
    In our rapidly developing world, words or phrases that were completely harmless yesterday, today, with someone’s help, may become not entirely “correct” or offensive to someone (dill, for example, is a completely harmless plant, but Ukrainians are offended) And now the dictionary should be adjusted for each dissatisfied person? Russian swearing is an integral part of life and is used not only as a curse word. You can, for example, use it to admire the sunset. But in general - everything is correct, swearing is not good! BUT if a guy, for example, is a joke both in essence and in behavior, then I personally am not going to caress his rotten essence with correct words.
  96. MSA
    MSA
    0
    16 June 2014 17: 20
    I agree, fair enough.
  97. 0
    16 June 2014 17: 29
    But just two days ago, here on VO there was an article about the depth of the Jewish River Jordan. What comments there were on it, how everyone admired the richness of the GREAT RUSSIAN LANGUAGE and the comments were somewhat, let’s say, overbearing. Everyone unanimously approved everything and tried to flaunt their knowledge, including and not quite literary proverbs and expressions. Go back, read, and today there is such a passage. request
  98. 0
    16 June 2014 17: 41
    I give you my WORD - not a single bad word.
  99. dFG
    0
    16 June 2014 17: 51
    upvoted, the article is fair
  100. +1
    16 June 2014 18: 10
    I respect this site, and some members of the forum, such as Meehan, for example, and others, including the Professor (without his battles on armored vehicles, it really wouldn’t be so interesting). I myself am not a military man, alas... I completely agree that MATYUK is not allowed in the forum. I personally am categorically against swearing! Fundamentally... But I have sympathy for those who talk to them. You know: kindly, without insults or rudeness. One day I went to the site and saw men swearing... (in an indecent form with gusto), damn it, I thought they turned the site into a swearing shop!!! Minus one, minus the second, minus the third... However, swearers! One of them wrote: there’s a secret minuser on the site, I’d like to find out who it is... A whole army of swearers supported him on the forum, and I’m the only minuser. Well, I think it’s not a shame to be a partisan for a just cause, so I clicked the arrow again... Dear forum users: gentlemen, officers, general marshals, you have a tool to deter swearers. Well... if anything, I can support. Sincerely.
    1. Kisel
      0
      17 June 2014 03: 14
      Quote: Peacemaker
      Sincerely.

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