When Russia recognizes Novorossia?

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The first sign of close political recognition of Novorossia will probably be the recall from Kiev by Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov "for consultations." The reason for this may be some flagrant act of aggression of Bandera in the Donbass, "disproportionate use of force", speaking the language of diplomacy. For this thing the junta will not.

Although not a cease-fire and punitive anti-terrorist operation against “supporters of federalization”, not providing humanitarian corridors, and even more so the threat of creating filtration-concentration camps for civilians, can be a sufficient reason. The need to urgently address humanitarian issues can serve as a serious rationale and compelling reason for the official recognition of the Novorossiysk republics.

However, it should be understood that the recognition of the de jure of New Russia, in any form, will cause a flash of rage of the neo-Nazi junta, unpredictable in its direction.
Probably all, or almost all, economic and transport relations with Russia will be interrupted. And first of all - the transit of gas to Europe.

For some reason, Moscow kept to the last for gas transit to Europe, succumbed to the blatant blackmail of Kiev. As a last resort, Gazprom attracted to the negotiations the European Union, European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger, but he too was powerless to influence Kiev.

Because this is blackmail, in fact, of the Americans, jerking their puppet Yatsenyuk behind the tongue, and Moscow, perhaps, wanted to demonstrate to all interested persons that the US State Department is again showing a “factor” not only in Moscow, but also in Europe.

However, just yesterday, Moscow’s patience for some reason ended, and 16 of June, Moscow, apparently, will transfer Kiev to prepay. Yatsenyuk really helped with his rudeness in the last, seventh round of negotiations, in fact disrupting them. An unambiguous solution of the “gas” issue makes Moscow’s other economic relations with Ukraine irrelevant, and thus opens the way for recognition of the Novorossiysk republics.

The specific date of recognition of Novorossia will be determined by the military-political situation in Bandera’s Ukraine and in the world: let’s not forget that in Ukraine we are also dealing with Fashington. Although the Western public is beginning to understand that Ukrainian neo-Nazis came to power in Ukraine, with the help of McCainov and Bidenov, but power in a democratic Western society does not belong to society, but to certain closed clubs and the NSA ...

The very fact of recognizing Novorossia will probably become a pretext for Western elites to accuse Russia of escalating tensions in Ukraine, and will lead to another round of tensions and new sanctions. Well, such is the price of upholding Russia's national interests, and strategic security. Russia cannot “hand over” Bandera to Novorossia: it will be a political catastrophe that will exceed the damage caused by any sanctions, in the opinion of, among other things, independent foreign experts.

Because behind the sign "United Ukraine" today Bandera Ukraine is hiding, and these are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. Odessans understood this more acutely than others, and for this they were killed and burned in the Odessa Khatyn. Bandera neo-Nazis began with the arson of the employees of the "Golden Eagle" in Kiev, continued with a fire in Odessa and a military fire in the Donbass. One handwriting! It feels like every crime is on their shoulders, as well as the Maidan lie: “onizhedeti”!

Fantastic explanations of "Maidan" crimes have now migrated along with their participants to the country's policy, to missiles firing on air conditioners, and one can expect that this "oni-geedet policy" will end with a very big crime!

... Recognition of the New Russia de jure opens up great opportunities for Russia to provide various assistance, including the creation of a “no-fly zone” above it. Actually, these are related steps arising from one another.

They demand “strength, will and intelligent caution,” according to the patriarch of Russian politics, Yevgeny Primakov, who, in his opinion, is in the possession of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The situation in Ukraine is getting harder and worse. The country's economy is collapsing, and the civil confrontation and the war in the East is growing. It requires a subtle surgical treatment.

For example, strange things happen over and over again with the Ukrainian armed forces: either they fight, hit artillery from Mount Karachun in Slavyansk, or they leave equipment, including Tanks, militias near Lugansk. This is probably explained by the fact that the Ukrainian army is "strengthened" by neo-Nazi and mercenary detachments, they primarily require smart and "polite" attention.
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  1. avt
    +13
    16 2014 June
    request Weird question . When it is REALLY formed as a state entity with all state structures arising from this concept, which again will really function and solve administrative and economic issues in the liberated territory. And this is a very difficult job, and even in the conditions of the US People’s Anti-People Terrorist Operation, which their punishers - banderlog spend.
    1. -8
      16 2014 June
      Moscow recognizes Novorosia not earlier than the commissioning of the South Stream or a final decision on it. Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.
      1. +22
        16 2014 June
        My opinion is that Russia recognizes Novorossia when there will be no diplomatic options to come to an agreement with America (not Poroshenko!) And there will be no difference in acceptance or rejection. It turns out when the kneading begins, not only within the borders of Ukraine (u-small).

        Americans do not feel threatened for themselves, so they do not care about the consequences.

        It is necessary to make them afraid and feel imminent retribution. Unfortunately, while their dollar is strong - they will continue to pit peoples and countries.

        Inside Russia, pressure on the United States is also possible - do not pay with plastic cards. Give up on them. Give up American new cars and products. There are options for guys. We will use small at least.
        1. +6
          16 2014 June
          in general, it is not clear why the authorities of the LPR and the DPR were not legalized for such a long time ?!
          after all, what is a "people's mayor" and "people's governor" - nothing! it is essentially arbitrariness and usurpation of power. who should sign the papers, who has the stamp? what will such a popular signature cost?
          and what will happen to the loyalty of the population to the "people's" authorities, when they have to make unpopular decisions? they will say: who are you anyway? and by the way, they will be right.
          since they were able to hold a referendum in the Donbas, it was necessary immediately or in a week or two to hold their own elections of new mayors and governors, for themselves, so that they were legitimate in the eyes of the population.
          and also that our authorities had someone to talk to.
          in the LNR, it seems like they set the elections for September ... but will they survive so much in general?
          1. +2
            16 2014 June
            Very correct questions. (The right question is half the correct answer.)
        2. +1
          17 2014 June
          Right on the bill of the bike !! Everyone can participate even we in Moldova (me and my friends) do not buy Ukrainian sweets and other products, because this is indirect financing of the war in Donbas. Of course you won’t give up everything, but when you have a choice you have to do it !!! Read on the packaging and even if you are 2 rubles more expensive, take Russian or Belarusian. PS We have Belarusian grocery products of super quality () apparently the Old Man did not refuse the Soviet guests) and at a comparable price with the locals, this despite the fact that they are brought from far away and they pay duties.
      2. +6
        16 2014 June
        Guys, not everything is measured by money. In Russia, certainly not everything is measured.
      3. +11
        16 2014 June
        Soon, we will have no choice but to admit. Otherwise, the entire Russian population will simply be expelled from the SE and populated by zapadens. And those who remain will be simply terrorized by the Nazis in concentration camps. And if shale gas reserves fall into the hands of HSE, kapets will come. All sanctions in comparison with such consequences are just bullshit.
      4. +10
        16 2014 June
        ... I don’t understand why it is so long to talk with the Ukrainians, in my opinion, if you close the gas to them, they will drag it from Europe, and then it will decide all the troubles with the South Stream ...
        1. +1
          17 2014 June
          .. ". when the winter cold comes, yes ... you don't have a warm handkerchief .., I don't have a winter coat ..."
      5. +8
        16 2014 June
        Quote: Canep
        Moscow recognizes Novorosia not earlier than the commissioning of the South Stream or a final decision on it. Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.


        There will be South Stream, but it won't, but the Ukrainian issue will have to be resolved. Don't decide - the following.
      6. +1
        16 2014 June
        Quote: Canep
        Moscow recognizes Novorosia not earlier than the commissioning of the South Stream or a final decision on it. Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

        There is no need to rest so strongly on the concepts of "gas revenues", "gas transit through Ukraine." We have already lost our nose to Europe that the problem of gas transit to Europe through Ukraine is a European problem. So they began to stir in full. And Ukraine has already been transferred to prepayment, so let's see how the Ukrainians will build "tough guys" out of themselves in front of Europe. WE WARNED EVERYONE.
      7. -2
        16 2014 June
        in general, it is not clear why the authorities of the LPR and the DPR were not legalized for such a long time ?!
        after all, what is a "people's mayor" and "people's governor" - nothing! it is essentially arbitrariness and usurpation of power. who should sign the papers, who has the stamp? what will such a popular signature cost?
        and what will happen to the loyalty of the population to the "people's" authorities, when they have to make unpopular decisions? they will say: who are you anyway? and by the way, they will be right.
        since they were able to hold a referendum in the Donbas, it was necessary immediately or in a week or two to hold their own elections of new mayors and governors, for themselves, so that they were legitimate in the eyes of the population.
        and also that our authorities had someone to talk to.
        in the LNR, it seems like they set the elections for September ... but will they survive so much in general?
        1. +8
          16 2014 June
          Quote: divangeneral
          in general, it is not clear why the authorities of the LPR and the DPR were not legalized for such a long time ?!


          Minus I set hi ... Counter question: "And for what reason did Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia not legalize with their years of independence?" what
      8. jjj
        +4
        16 2014 June
        Quote: Canep
        Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

        Gas is only 18 percent of hydrocarbon sales. The main source of income is oil sales
        1. 0
          16 2014 June
          Quote: jjj
          Quote: Canep
          Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

          Gas is only 18 percent of hydrocarbon sales. The main source of income is oil sales


          That's right. GDP said so.
      9. +2
        16 2014 June
        Quote: Canep
        Moscow recognizes Novorosia not earlier than the commissioning of the South Stream or a final decision on it. Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

        Revenues from oil are more than from gas. Oil is the main article of Russian exports, accounting, according to data for 2009, 33% of exports in monetary terms (together with petroleum products - 49%). In addition, the prices for the third main component of exports - natural gas - depend significantly on the level of prices for oil and petroleum products. Fuck with gas, while you can pump through the Nord Stream, Yamal-Europe. In N-time, there will be income from gas supplies to China. And losing Novorossiya will mean the loss of "face" and will spread rot on Russia in life.
      10. 0
        16 2014 June
        Quote: Canep
        Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

        respected oil, gas is only 10-20% of revenue ...
      11. +1
        17 2014 June
        Do not exaggerate today is not 98 years old. Revenues from gas sales last year 28 billion. Even if you forget about ukra forever and cut off the pipes, Russia will lose only part of the transit, which is about half. Do not forget that Russia has Yamal-Europe, the northern stream, the white stream to Turkey, China in 5 years, and I think China will increase consumption significantly because it is really cheap for that region on the one hand and on the other is very environmentally friendly. The environmental problem for China is not the same as for Germany. They have nothing to breathe, and besides, in such decisions they, unlike Europe, are sovereign and do not lick the ass of the Americans. So Russia will lose about half of the revenue before the commissioning of the power of Siberia. And this is about 14 lard. For the record, Russia was willing to give you 15 lards to Ukraine, so this is not critical for Russia, but Ukraine will lose heavy industry, and in winter the population will freeze. I hope that Gazprom will go on vacation closer to winter so as not to hear the cries of ukrov or set a price of 500 because there will be nothing to lose.
    2. Natalia
      +10
      16 2014 June
      The first sign of the close political recognition of New Russia will probably be the recall from Kiev by Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov “for consultations”. The reason for this may be some blatant act of aggression of Bandera in the Donbass

      There are plenty of reasons:
      - The pogrom of the Russian embassy, ​​violation of armored personnel carriers of the border of the Russian Federation, the deployment of Ukrainian air force attack aircraft over the territory of the Russian Federation, the use of white phosphorus by Ukrainian security forces.

      And then you can’t just throw everything on its own. For us, the principle do not give up was always more important than stock market quotes.
      1. +1
        17 2014 June
        There are plenty of reasons - there is no desire.
        Continuous excuses for the "hegemons of democracy" in the existing and non-existent "trampling on democracy": either the AK assault rifle will be found in Ukraine, then the Russian troops will see it on the territory of the Russian Federation ... political and economic interests of Russia. And not snot and "campaigns to meet" the fascists, like the "Gazprom" Novak with Miller.
  2. +4
    16 2014 June
    But only when Russia’s hands will be untied and real help will go?
    1. +13
      16 2014 June
      Quote: Coffee_time
      But only when Russia’s hands will be untied and real help will go?

      For Kiev, the armed conflict with the Russian Federation will make it possible to declare itself bankrupt, pointing out the Kremlin as the culprit. It's no secret that the economy of the square has been functioning for many years only thanks to massive external support. And one of the main questions of the behind-the-scenes agreements around the Square: who and (most importantly) "to whom" will be responsible for the debts. Translating into Russian - Russia's armed aggression against Ukraine (and this is how the current "world community" will be called) will justify the position "Ukraine owes nothing to the bloody aggressor." This logic explains the persistence with which Kiev, with the support of the West, provokes Russia to "send troops." Here is the attack on the Russian Embassy in Kiev with the inaction of the police. In this episode, the West is already going to direct destruction of international law laid down in the framework of Versailles.
      1. +5
        16 2014 June
        Tersky SU Today, 09:30 ↑
        The West has very coolly thrown information traps:
        - "Traps are set for Russia, it must not fall into them, it must."
        - "Russia should not send troops and help the militias .."
        - Russia cannot unilaterally introduce a no-fly zone - only through the UN
        -if .. then there will be sanctions ..
        The West is as weak and fragmented as ever ... it is afraid of the normal actions of Russia. It has nothing to oppose it at the moment. all the more so, he began to understand in the West that the American game on Ukarin is also going against the West itself ..
      2. ren1999
        +4
        16 2014 June
        The attack on the embassy, ​​I believe, was inspired, as usual from above, to redirect popular anger for the mediocre ruined soldiers on IL-76. This can also be judged by the resignation of the Chief of General Staff Shutov.
      3. +2
        17 2014 June
        Assistance is not the introduction of troops into the territory of a foreign state.
        This is the political recognition of New Russia, the provision of humanitarian assistance to the population, the provision of a no-fly zone over the independent state of New Russia, the organization of trade cooperation between two independent states. And what, and on what terms to trade - is the business of the independent states themselves ....
        Without this, New Russia cannot survive.
        Well, sanctions - Russia will help Novorossia, or Russia will betray Novorossia - sanctions will be in any case ... only because it is Russia.
        It's my personal opinion
  3. +1
    16 2014 June
    It recognizes then when it is ready to invest hundreds of billions in the development of this region. There you need to spend so much that Mom Do not Cry. And then again the howl rises that how we lived poorly and live, it will become even worse.
    1. 0
      16 2014 June
      Exactly. We still need to spend a lot in the Crimea .... but for the revival of New Russia, with a reduction in gas supplies - we need to calculate ...
      1. +6
        16 2014 June
        Russia never flaunted finances, and lived when wars, crises, sanctions raged in the country, we suffered, the entire Soviet period was practically under Western sanctions, and nothing - we live.
        Nothing - break through!
  4. +14
    16 2014 June
    The recognition of Novorossia de jure opens up great opportunities for Russia to provide a variety of assistance, including the creation of a “no-fly zone” above it.

    For good, this should have come immediately after the referendum in which the inhabitants of New Russia expressed their unwillingness to live in the same state with the fascist Bandera.
  5. +11
    16 2014 June
    And putting on the embassy is not a flagrant act of aggression ?! Probably it is necessary to level the border village of the Russian Federation with the land, then this will be considered a flagrant act of aggression !!! Nonsense! belay
  6. +8
    16 2014 June
    It makes no sense to remain silent, all the same all the dogs are let down on us, so that’s the point ...
    1. +2
      16 2014 June
      That's for sure! Read tsensor.net - they still write about "Russia's aggression". We will never be friends with the West, as much as we would like it
  7. +2
    16 2014 June
    In anticipation of a miracle, there won’t be a miracle, it’s long been clear that Ukraine has nothing to pay, the drafts in this case will not be prompted to pay off the debt of Russia, on the contrary, they whisper in your ear, continue to be aaayessess, compare it with the land, everything is going according to plan, and we are all waiting ..
  8. +5
    16 2014 June
    Hitler got it! Ostrich politics has not brought anyone to good. Yes, and Putin probably thinks about his political future. Or stupidly caught in his personal pocket? I don’t want to think that we will betray Donbas as once Serbia
  9. +1
    16 2014 June
    When Russia recognizes Novorossia?

    Never.
    1. 0
      16 2014 June
      Unfortunately.
      1. The Art of War
        +3
        16 2014 June
        The people recognized Novorissia! And this is the most important thing!
        1. +4
          16 2014 June
          Quote: The Art of War
          The people recognized Novorissia! And this is the most important thing!

          I'm not "catching up" something. What's that? Like: "I believe in Santa Claus and this is the main thing?" The people recognized Novorossia, is the main thing for Novorossia? More importantly MANPADS, ATGMs, artillery, tanks, ammunition, food? For New Russia, which, perhaps, will not be soon due to the lack of the above? Screaming "sugar", hoping that your mouth will be sweet?
          1. The Art of War
            +1
            16 2014 June
            Well calm down about tanks and artillery until no one speaks request And about MANPADS and ATGMs and ammunition wink see about food think help!
          2. The Art of War
            -3
            16 2014 June
            Maybe you believe that a meteorite fell in Chelyabinsk? laughing
            1. +1
              16 2014 June
              Quote: The Art of War
              Maybe you believe that a meteorite fell in Chelyabinsk?

              What? Was there a conversation about the Chelyabinsk meteorite? Is it somehow connected with Novorossiya? About MANPADS: my "comment" to the article "Plum will not wait".
            2. 0
              17 2014 June
              Didn’t it fall? What was it then?
    2. +1
      17 2014 June
      South Ossetia recognizes the results of the referendum on the independence of the Luhansk People's Republic and is ready to make a constructive decision on the LPR, the President of South Ossetia Leonid Tibilov said on June 16 in June.

      And this makes it possible to supply weapons and everything else legally. Where did Ossetia ask for a weapon ... but God knows! And Russia seems to have nothing to do with feel
  10. +17
    16 2014 June
    Faster. Someone said that the main thing in New Russia is to hold out until the fall ... We may not hold out. After a number of SE cities were captured in April, the DPR and LPR did not have a single weighty victory. The people are talking. Decadent moods begin. Like why we started it. That is, they already forget that they did not start, but against them. Forget Odessa. They do not notice Slavyansk.
    They are still signing up for the militia, but how long will they last if there are no victories? If Russia, with a nuclear arsenal and a powerful army, does not cut off gas to Ukraine, swallows border violations, an attack on the embassy, ​​and insulting Putin by a non-minister of foreign affairs.
    And you still say that SE are hut-deep and sofas. Show that there is someone in Russia. AU-U!
    1. avt
      +5
      16 2014 June
      Quote: Iskander Khan
      . The people are talking. Decadent moods begin. Like why we started it.

      Well, this is normal, quite expected after the euphoria of the rallies. And here the managers from the government of Novorossia should firmly take up the situation and make it clear that the situation is under control, but so far the Novorossiysk government itself, as a single governing body, cannot be seen. Even the media always sounds separately Donbass, separately Lugansk, but this is not good.
      1. +4
        16 2014 June
        Hmm ... Time will tell ... But I think New Russia for a long time ... !!! Bendery will not get anything ... Except for the butt in the face!
        1. avt
          +2
          16 2014 June
          Quote: Armagedon
          Hmm ... Time will tell ... But I think New Russia for a long time ... !!!

          If they get down to business, but today the news appeared on RBC --- "Armed representatives of the DPR took control of the State Treasury, tax and NBU administration in the Donetsk region." good Now, if true - well done! It’s time, now, despite the war, we must certainly deal with administrative issues and social affairs in the first place! People should clearly know that they are not abandoned. And the war is temporary and victory will be ours!
    2. kronverg
      +1
      16 2014 June
      Yes, after the leaked, enthusiasm somehow falls.
    3. badger1974
      +1
      16 2014 June
      don’t drop out where you’re going to go, not just hold out, but go on the offensive, from Crimea already to fighters with passports, don’t drop out, or are you a banderlog? Can’t you see your legs under you? simpler with a decadent mood, wives with children norms, what else, let's
  11. johnsnz
    +3
    16 2014 June
    Well, for gas blocked to Europe, friends there obviously they will not increase smile
  12. +1
    16 2014 June
    Quote: johnsnz
    Well, for gas blocked to Europe, friends there obviously they will not increase smile


    It seems that somewhere in the contract something is not spelled out in this force majeure, hence such obstinacy in the gas issue.
  13. The Art of War
    +1
    16 2014 June
    The video is not the topic, but it’s interesting to see the opinion!
    1. The Art of War
      +1
      16 2014 June
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJS0iplvbAo
  14. +1
    16 2014 June
    Russia will necessarily recognize NOVOROSSIA, but only when the cowards stop hiding in their apartments and wait for compatriots to die for them! :-(
  15. +2
    16 2014 June
    New Russia is unlikely to last until the fall without help. And before, New Russia is not recognized.
    1. portoc65
      +2
      16 2014 June
      TIME actually plays on us .. Militiamen are getting bigger ... Arms too ... The army in Ukraine costs 3-4 million dollars a day ... Ukraine will not drag out a protracted war
  16. +4
    16 2014 June
    The most important thing is that the leaders of New Russia would not make the mistake of the White movement and would not pull everyone’s blanket of power over themselves! They will win, then there will be no power sharing, and there will be nothing to share.
    And decadent moods are from the habit of shifting the solutions of one’s problems to others, in this case to Russia. Yes, and the victory won personally has incomparably greater significance and value than the victory won by someone for you. The fact that help is needed is not even a question. It is necessary, because they are OUR. This is a sufficient argument. But geopolitics is not a relationship between the neighbors on the landing, I think they are somewhat more complicated and each action must be calculated on the consequences !!!
  17. +1
    16 2014 June
    Russia is probably ready to recognize the FNR, and not separately the DPR, LPR .. And that makes sense .. but there are no power-representative bodies of the FPR yet, there are no negotiations with anyone .. Recognition .. this is money, help. .and should flow in one pocket, and not in two different ...
  18. 0
    16 2014 June
    As a last resort, Gazprom brought in the negotiations the European Union, European Commissioner for Energy Gunther Oettinger, but he was also powerless to influence Kiev.

    Somewhere I read that Yaytsenyukh did it. Where is the truth?
  19. 0
    16 2014 June
    Following recognition, the official appeal of Novorossia for the creation of a military union and a request for military assistance will follow. Going to meet, the Russian Federation will expose itself as an aggressor, which is what they achieve in Fashington, refusing - will drop its image of a savior in the eyes of Novorossiysk.
    Officially, the NFR will be recognized only at the end of hostilities, when tensions begin to subside. Until that moment, all possible assistance (the widest in all areas and all available means and methods) to provide behind the scenes, as if staying on the sidelines.
    1. +2
      16 2014 June
      Do you even understand that in the former Ukraine there is a civil war if you want.
      And as I think everyone knows that civil war ends only when one of the parties wins !!!
      So the end of hostilities is a victory for one of the parties.
  20. The Art of War
    0
    16 2014 June
    laughing film how the us government fools its people
    1. The Art of War
      0
      16 2014 June
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MJBoqYnVcw
  21. The Art of War
    0
    16 2014 June
    laughing Our people are probably waiting for the prediction of Edgar Cayce, he predicted that the black president (Barack Obama) will be the last in the United States and the United States will no longer be as a state
    1. +1
      16 2014 June
      these words, yes to God’s ears))))))
  22. +1
    16 2014 June
    "However, just yesterday Moscow's patience for some reason ran out, and on June 16, Moscow, apparently, will transfer Kiev to an advance payment."

    However, it happened. At last. We look forward to developments with Europe. something will be, it seems to me.
    http://top.rbc.ru/economics/16/06/2014/930301.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic]--
    [rbc.ru] - [main_body] - [main_item] - [title]
    1. The Art of War
      0
      16 2014 June
      good We will see later the reaction of Europe when their gas will be taken laughing what then will Europe impose sanctions against ukrov))
      1. The Art of War
        0
        16 2014 June
        laughing Ukrainians will then say that UFOs are charging with European gas and all questions to them laughing
    2. +1
      16 2014 June
      Yes, I also read these news from the utroz. If really 0 prepay 0 gas - then this is good. Yatsenyuk, however, also today said that he was stopping gas purchases from Russia. Interestingly, will reverse gas be bought or bought from the West? If you buy, then what? However, it will actually be fiddling with the West (though it is not known how else the contracts are really drafted). Interesting...
    3. 0
      17 2014 June
      .... ".. on schedule .." Vysotsky ..
  23. +1
    16 2014 June
    "... power in a democratic Western society belongs not to society, but to some closed clubs and the NSA ..."
    The true reason for all this bacchanalia in the world has long been understood - the eternally insatiable beaks of the elites are turned towards the West. Public figures in many countries emphasize pro-Russian and simply adequate sentiments of the people, and biased pro-Western ones are at the top of the states.
  24. yurik
    +5
    16 2014 June
    Igor Ivanovich Strelkov: “For Lysychansk, I’m calm - Mozgovoy has a strong detachment and we constantly interact. We can support him at any time. If he doesn’t ask, it means he is doing it on his own.

    I think now the most difficult situation near Amvrosievka. The city is blocked on all sides by large forces of ukrov, and the garrison there is inexperienced and very small - hardly more than Mariupol. And he lies on the main direction of impact ukrov, directed along the border. With a high probability, the city will fall today or tomorrow (again according to the Mariupol scenario). Then the Ukrainians will spend a day on fixing and stripping it and slowly (quickly they do not know how) they will move to the next. It must be prepared for defense. Rather - several at once. You can trace the route yourself - for this you do not need to be a strategist even once.

    And then begins what I already wrote about more than once: the most combat-ready militia units are constrained by the defense of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Lysychansk, etc. They cannot withdraw forces from here without the risk of a breakthrough here. Units concentrated in Donetsk, having practically no victories behind them and not equipped with plenty of heavy weapons, will defend weakly (they, unlike the Slavic garrison, have much to retreat to - the border is nearby). If they are not urgently and in advance provided with heavy weapons in quantities discouraging for ukr (at least a dozen serviceable tanks - this is enough and the same number of guns + a couple of Tunguska air defense systems), then soon we will see a huge “bag” or “boiler” like Stalingrad ... in which your humble servant (who is already almost completely surrounded) will hang out on the farthest outskirts. The supply of everything necessary (including water, medicine, bread and ammunition) will quickly disappear and we, after several weeks of “heroic” battles (in quotation marks because heroism in the war is most often the result of someone’s betrayal, sabotage or simple incompetence) “We order a long life.” Well, someone, of course, will break through the cordon. For Ataman Kozitsyn, for example, I am 100% sure of this ... "


    All cheers patriots carefully read his words about the current situation. This summer we will definitely witness a tragic situation when, in the absence of military assistance from Russia, Ukrainian troops will gradually cut off the border and militia circle. Then they will all be destroyed.
    Those who shout that Donbass has not risen, liars, people have risen, but they have nothing worthy to defend themselves. Useless crowd of miners and workers walking with their fists at the tanks.
    I would like to make a thousand mistakes, but facts and events indicate that Putin and his entourage are conducting treacherous politics regarding resistance in the Donbass.
    You do not have to be a strategist and a big political figure to understand: in the event of the destruction of New Russia, Russia will receive:
    1) 100% hostile state of Ukraine along the entire current border
    2) Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO, but the deployment of alliance surveillance and intelligence elements on its territory will be definitely done
    3) no unity between Russian compatriots living in the CIS and Russia will be achieved as a result of such a policy
    1. +3
      16 2014 June
      here is the last letter from Strelkova it had to be broken into several comments!

      16.06.14/XNUMX/XNUMX. Important letter.

      "Terrible pause".

      In a different situation, of course, I would have stayed more calmly and judiciously. More abstract and more academic. But in this I can’t.
      In 1991, I saw the USSR falling. Everyone said: calmly, without panic, the KGB and the Central Committee all control. The USSR fell and in its place appeared these disgusting Russophobic entities - including Ukraine. Putin rightly called it the greatest geopolitical disaster. And that was just that: the greatest geopolitical catastrophe. I saw her approaching, and how the people authorized to prevent her do nothing for this. Then at the evening of the newspaper I saw the Day of the released members of the Emergency Committee: they spoke as one - we did not shed blood. But Big Russia fell apart. They didn’t shed blood, but then blood flowed like a river. And still flowing. Who were they? Noble humanists? I think not - cowards and traitors. So.
      1. +3
        16 2014 June
        Weak and weak-minded.
        In 1993, the Supreme Council opposed Yeltsin and his ultra-liberal pro-American circle. The leaders of the Supreme Council after the massacre in Ostankino shouted from the balconies: the main thing is to solve the situation in peace. In the morning, tanks arrived at the White House and began methodical execution. A handful of defending patriots were destroyed. Who were these people, leaders of the Supreme Council, calling for peace? The same as GKChP.
        In 1999, Basayev's bandits blew up houses in Moscow and invaded Dagestan. Stepashin announced yesterday that we had lost the North Caucasus. Many called for peace and demanded freedom for Chechnya (and the North Caucasus). They demanded that the troops should not be brought in under any circumstances. Then Putin appeared, phlegmatic and harshly saying "no". AND INTRODUCED THE TROOPS. He started the Second Chechen Company, which he won. With losses, with a colossal effort, but won. And the North Caucasus remained in Russia.
        How did he behave in this difficult situation? Like a true leader, ruler, man and warrior. With will and mind. Contrast since 1991/1993? Exactly. Most of us and I believed in him then. Not from scratch. For specific cases. For saving Russia from decay.
        1. +1
          16 2014 June
          Seeing what was happening in Kiev in the spring of 2014, it became clear to me that the United States and the West were preparing another historical test for us. Purpose: to drive us out of Ukraine, to completely tear Ukrainians from Russians. Brzezinski openly wrote about this earlier. Now Euromaidan has become this tool: everything that happened there was aimed at one thing - at inciting hatred towards us. The West did not just look favorably on this, he did everything possible to heat hatred. And he achieved his goal by supporting the most extreme nationalist forces - right down to the Nazis. On the agenda was an ultimatum on the withdrawal of our warships from Sevastopol and on the cleansing of the Crimea.
          1. +2
            16 2014 June
            What is Putin doing? It supports the will of Crimeans to independence and provides them with power support. He behaves again - once again - as a leader, patriot, man, Russian man. Hard decision, but beautiful.
            Next: New Russia. Putin speaks of her during the Direct Line, as part of the Russian World. He promises not to quit in trouble. The people of Donetsk and Lugansk hear, believe, gather with courage and rise for their freedom. The brutal neo-Nazis from Kiev are throwing all their strength at them. Ordinary genocide begins. We are again challenged. What do I expect from Putin? The same as before. Patriotic courageous volitional actions. Russian action. Unpopular, since any war is not popular and leads to casualties. Putin is slow. You can understand. Waiting for the moment, you can also understand. Anxious, terribly, endlessly painful for those perishing in front of people - especially children - but you can still understand. Where does faith in Putin come from? From the memory of how he acted before. And in addition to 1999 and the Second Chechen also in 2008 in Georgia. In general, never betrayed. He was not afraid of war when it was necessary. And this is a contrast with weak-willed and weak-minded leaders of fair attempts to save the country in 1991 and 1993. Putin to the last demonstrated his mind and will, conscience and loyalty. In critical moments, he always did just that.
            1. +2
              16 2014 June
              Therefore, I simply encourage him to do what he logically had to do and what he always did in similar situations before - to send troops to save people, to prevent genocide, to defend our values ​​and our interests. He didn’t start all this. We did not touch anyone during the Euromaidan. And only in the face of direct aggression after the fact connected with the Crimea. The help of New Russia is just as logical that I did not expect that this would cause any problems. There will be no third world war for thousands of reasons, and most importantly, Ukraine does not belong to the area of ​​vital zones for either the United States or NATO. In any case, the United States has achieved its goal - blood has passed between the Slavic peoples, and relations with Europe are so complicated that it will be possible to compensate for the losses with great difficulty.
              But here strange processes also begin. Putin begins to pull with a decision. He had never done this before. Yes, he turned on at the last moment. But not after this moment has passed. But now everything somehow went wrong ... And then a frantic attack on me from all sides: from the liberals (for patriotism - because they are simply on the side of the junta, the USA and NATO), from the anti-Putin nationalists (for Putin's support), and the strangest thing is from Putin’s patriotic supporters. Putin ceases to be Putin before our eyes, but it turns out that there are many of his supporters who simply do not notice this and support him at the moment when he is not doing what he should. In the face of the dead and perishing, in the face of history. If he still reaches a decision, all his enemies and all enemies of Russia inside and outside will perk up and go on the counterattack: to New Russia, then to the Crimea, then to the Kremlin.
              1. +3
                16 2014 June
                The liberals who hated him and the nationalists devoted to Putin will always come out against him in a single system. The Kiev scenario will be repeated. And in order to save himself and the country, Putin will again have to face the problem of violence. Either in the Crimea or in Moscow. And war again. And again, the old examples are the GKChP and the leaders of the Supreme Council and the new Yanukovych. Their pacifism and humanism invariably led to the collapse of the States.
                Now Putin is betraying not only the DPR and LPR, he is betraying himself, Russia, and all of us. In addition to the direct introduction of troops, there are many real ways to save New Russia. I know what I'm talking about: no decisive means have been involved yet. And it is monstrous in its consequences. And it is unexpected and it is illogical. And this is not at all Putin's way. And those who are choked with hysteria against the introduction of troops behave in this situation in a strange and illogical way for patriots. If not for upholding our values ​​and interests, then why do they love Putin? And who are these strange opponents of troop entry? Are they virtual? Are they network war bots? Are they not agents of foreign special services who had pre-stamped patriotic public figures to scream in unison at a critical moment: Putin, do not send troops ...
                Putin must decisively help Novorossia - in one way or another, and in fact, he knows better which one. It is possible without troops. It is possible and somehow different. But this is not happening. People who rose against the junta, on their last legs. They need REAL help. Effective and immediate. But she is not. The longer it is gone, the more impudent punishers, the ruthless they destroy civilians. They are no longer just threatening to destroy, but they are destroying. In front of our eyes. But what about Putin? Well, what is he ...
                A terrible pause.
                1. +8
                  16 2014 June
                  Looking at all this dare, it becomes vile and disgusting for me! All this fuss with the price of gas causes nausea! Is it really not visible that Kiev is not going to pay? Sooner or later, but a war will happen, I believe in it (but I don’t want to be honest). It is inevitable, it is the result of many objective factors, whether we like it or not! The question is, will we be an asset or a liability? At 41 we were a passive, everyone pacified the Nazis, everyone delayed the war and were delayed, as far as Moscow was delayed! And how much blood shed! Now very similar. And the further we pull the more blood we will get this new victory!
  25. +3
    16 2014 June
    HZ what are we waiting for :( IMHO small countries are looking at Russia - if WE don’t recognize our brothers, then they are just a damn to everyone else :( I wondered how the former Yugoslavia was divided into countries!
    It will be interesting to see at the end what is there for the cunning plan of such a thing for VV P ...
  26. The Art of War
    0
    16 2014 June
    http://politobzor.net/show-26376-pakistan-otkazalsya-menyat-zoloto-na-makulaturu
    .html
  27. +6
    16 2014 June
    Russia is a sovereign state, which again begins to look back to the west. South Ossetia and Abkhazia were recognized, and nothing died from the European howl. A tougher foreign policy must be pursued.
  28. +4
    16 2014 June
    I look at our president and think about how he sleeps at night. I think such a responsibility presses on my shoulders. what I want to say is one awkward movement and Slavyansk will seem like a children's sandbox only already in our territory. grandmother told me granddaughter how we live well. I asked what was good, but she didn’t see the granddaughters of the war. God bless Putin and health.
  29. the eldest
    +2
    16 2014 June
    Well ? "Who does not jump," They hoped that the valve was closed! Go ahead for the firewood gentlemen !!!!
  30. 0
    16 2014 June
    I don’t think that we recognize that the political situation and pressure on Russia will not give. If only after the third Maidan, and he will definitely be.
  31. -1
    16 2014 June
    And with whom to fight in this Ukraine .. they say to a person from childhood do not put your finger in the socket. Who wants to visit us in Russia, our country is big. It was clearly said that colony filtration would be. For me it’s necessary to relocate everyone so that people avoid this.
    If the government’s head is stuck, it’s necessary to chop it off or remove the American trigger.
  32. +1
    16 2014 June
    Recognition will occur in the negotiations when the United States and Ukraine call on Russia to hold tripartite negotiations. The EU may also be present. Ukraine will become a bankrupt country that cannot pay debts. According to the results of negotiations, the Republic of Novorosiya will appear, with the territory of the southeast. Russia will pay its debts for Novorossia. The rest of the territory will simply be bought by other European states. The initiators of this will be the United States. New Russia will become a new state and will become part of the CIS. Attempts to blame Russia will be that it did not redeem the entire territory of Ukraine.
  33. +5
    16 2014 June
    America and Europe, without too much talk and reasoning, took and divided Yugoslavia, finding some excuse. At the borders of Russia, the civilian population is being killed as early as a month. And for a month now we have been wondering when and why? why are we silent? we give a bunch of arguments that we can’t do this, we play good to the last and give a loan of gas that might not be paid at all. But Ukrainians already see Russians as sworn enemies that Russia would not do. The USA sees Russia as an enemy. But we love procrastinate the topic, and our guys are killed by simple heroes.
  34. gen-48
    +1
    16 2014 June
    Someone wrote in the comments, "Time is working for us." Let me disagree. Time is already against us. Bad experience is also experience. Ukroarmiya and other "Donbass", "Azovs" are still receiving weighty slaps from the militia, but they are gaining experience. And it's too early to get euphoric about the downed turntables and airplanes. It costs nothing to the West to sniff 2-3 dozen second-hand devices on a gallop. And there will be no problems with the pilots, for the money there will be "miracle falcons". Yes, and on land they will muster their strength, study. With money, they are fine - they do not pay for gas and are not going to pay, the mines are working, Azovstal is smoking, Zaporozhye is regularly deducting to Kiev. And foreign well-wishers will not be stingy, since they have already invested so much in this project. New Russia needs to be helped on a large scale so that the people have no doubts that they stand for a just cause.
    1. 0
      16 2014 June
      And it’s too early to get euphoric about the downed turntables and planes. The West doesn’t cost anything to pull in galloping 2-3 dozen used vehicles

      During World War II, the United States presented 2 obsolete destroyers to England (by the way, 50 of them turned upside down when crossing the Atlantic), but as soon as German submarines began to torpedo ships and ports off the east coast, they demanded everything back and they were returned to them, so the United States donated they don’t do anything - I think that Donbass lists - in the end, Kiev will transfer to Kiev ...
  35. pinecone
    0
    16 2014 June
    The thieving liberal liberal Zurabov should not be withdrawn for consultations, but replaced with a professional diplomat like Churkin.
    1. +1
      16 2014 June
      I read today that Zurabov turned out to be an old friend of Poroshenko and was apparently sent to unofficially fray questions, bypassing the protocol and mid urkaini. Piglets have a lot of property in the Russian Federation and specifically in the Crimea, most likely they click on it and hint at the nationalization of its personal plants and factories. Although he officially promised to abandon the business, but in reality everything still belongs to him. There is a chance that the pigs will still be squeezed and Amers will have many surprises, as they are unlikely to compensate him for hundreds of millions of losses, and the loot for the oligarch is sacred.
  36. 0
    16 2014 June
    Strelkov clearly indicated the weak point - Amvrosiyivka, people are there, but little and inexperienced, now ironed by Grads, and after capturing her and several other settlements, the Strelkovites are in a double ring ...
  37. -2
    16 2014 June
    in general, it is not clear why the authorities of the LPR and the DPR were not legalized for such a long time ?!
    after all, what is a "people's mayor" and "people's governor" - nothing! it is essentially arbitrariness and usurpation of power. who should sign the papers, who has the stamp? what will such a popular signature cost?
    and what will happen to the loyalty of the population to the "people's" authorities, when they have to make unpopular decisions? they will say: who are you anyway? and by the way, they will be right.
    since they were able to hold a referendum in the Donbas, it was necessary immediately or in a week or two to hold their own elections of new mayors and governors, for themselves, so that they were legitimate in the eyes of the population.
    and also that our authorities had someone to talk to.
    in the LNR, it seems like they set the elections for September ... but will they survive so much in general?
  38. Cuckoo
    0
    16 2014 June
    breakthrough from Donetsk need a blow at full strength and in the weakest place to take the height of the sur grave
  39. +1
    16 2014 June
    Quote: afire
    Inside Russia, pressure on the United States is also possible - do not pay with plastic cards. Give up on them. Give up American new cars and products. There are options for guys. We will use small at least.

    Russian bikers! Down with Harley Davidson! am Give the Honda, Kawasaki and Yamaha! drinks
    1. 0
      16 2014 June
      I go to Yamaha Nebud Harley pack wink
  40. 0
    16 2014 June
    Representatives of Novorossia already repeatedly meet with officials of the State Duma and the Federation Council, is this not a fact of support. Now it is more important to secure humanitarian aid than simply recognizing a new subject of international law.
  41. 0
    16 2014 June
    And Novorossia has already been recognized not only by Moscow, but also by Kiev: if punitive forces attack a settlement and start shooting there "according to the lists", and then they "wind up", then this means that they are punitive in a foreign land.
  42. 0
    16 2014 June
    Quote: avt
    The first sign of the close political recognition of New Russia will probably be the recall from Kiev by Ambassador Mikhail Zurabov “for consultations”

    In my opinion, such an act has recently occurred. with the defeat of ambassador cars and mockery of the flag of the Russian Federation, and so it was necessary to recognize for a long time and immediately the field of the outbreak of hostilities.
  43. 0
    16 2014 June
    Ministry of Energy of Ukraine: Russia cut off gas supplies to the country
    KIEV, June 16. / ITAR-TASS /. Russia cut off gas supplies to Ukraine; gas transit to the European Union is 185 million cubic meters per day. This was announced at a meeting of the Ukrainian government by the Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Yuriy Prodan.


    “Today, there is a message about reducing gas supplies to zero. Only the volume of transit to European countries remained, it amounts to 185 million cubic meters per day, ”Prodan said.
    “We are ready for such a development of events. We guarantee reliable gas supply to Ukrainian consumers, ”the minister added.
    From 10.00 on Monday, June 16, Gazprom, in accordance with the current contract, transferred Naftogaz Ukrainy to an advance payment of gas supplies, the Russian gas company said.
    Moscow postponed the deadline for entering the prepayment three times. The last postponement of the term - from June 10 to the beginning of this week - was explained by the Ministry of Energy for technical reasons.
    Previously, Gazprom made a compromise and agreed to receive payment from Naftogaz for April and May deliveries, based on the price offered to Ukraine from June 1 at $ 384,86 per 1 cubic meters. The initial debt for the first two months of the second quarter (based on the price of $ 485,5 per 1 thousand cubic meters) amounted to $ 3 billion.
  44. +1
    16 2014 June
    Quote: afire
    Inside Russia, pressure on the United States is also possible - do not pay with plastic cards. Give up on them. Give up American new cars and products. There are options for guys. We will use small at least.

    To start at least with the refusal to purchase Hollywood "masterpieces", then I came to McDonalds, took a cup of coffee, and then rolled out a lawsuit for 1 million rubles for the fact that the coffee is hot and you burned. Moreover, in the states there is such a precedent not one in the amount of more than a million one-time payments. And if there are a hundred or another such claims against MD in Russia. Yes, a bunch of all sorts of filing against well-known firms can be rolled out.
  45. +1
    16 2014 June
    Quote: Canep
    Moscow recognizes Novorosia not earlier than the commissioning of the South Stream or a final decision on it. Russia's revenues directly depend on gas transit.

    Well, don’t make people laugh, gas sales revenues are certainly large, but they are not the basis, by the way, titanium exports to Europe and the USA give a higher income, and Europeans need more gas after signing with China.
  46. +3
    16 2014 June
    Quote: brelok
    Hitler got it! Ostrich politics has not brought anyone to good. Yes, and Putin probably thinks about his political future. Or stupidly caught in his personal pocket? I don’t want to think that we will betray Donbas as once Serbia

    About the personal pocket. Putin’s behavior has somehow changed since the visit of the Swiss president. Switzerland, banks, personal accounts, is there any connection?
  47. -2
    16 2014 June
    When will Russia recognize Novorossiya? It would be better without a question mark. If you understand, then tell me yourself. So far, no questions really arise. "Crimean miracle" in a completely different plane. Although the answer suggests itself. And when the DPR and LPR will become states with their own elected government, a regular army, based on their state Basic Laws - Constitutions? To recognize the phenomenon is one thing, but the established state is another. Nevertheless, we are simply obliged not only to recognize the eastern NOD of Ukraine as the nucleus of the international anti-fascist front that has arisen in reality, but also to provide worthy help and assistance in this, a truly historical, already accomplished FACT! And seek its international legitimacy.
  48. Sasspy
    +1
    16 2014 June
    I wonder who will win the war in Russia or the United States .. Since if you do not kill this worm - it will gradually gobble up the roots of Our birch
  49. 0
    16 2014 June
    They require “strength, will and clever caution,” according to Russian Patriarch Yevgeny Primakov, who Russian President Vladimir Putin, in his opinion, has.

    HIM would have been with a dozen PRIMAKOV ... would have healed then!
  50. -2
    16 2014 June
    In short, SE is simply drained. Putin in March promised to send troops if troops are used against civilians. The bargain is smelly!
    http://warfiles.ru/show-61542-maksim-kalashnikov-priznaki-gibeli-vosstaniya.html
  51. +1
    16 2014 June
    Soon 22 Jun ...
  52. +3
    16 2014 June
    When will Zurabov be recalled? In my opinion, this “jelly in his pants” should not be any kind of ambassador!!! Nowhere!!! Not in any country. His ceiling is the head of the housing office, and only a small one... But the desecration of the Russian embassy in Kyiv, and the fact that they attacked not just anyone, but the president (!!!) of Russia - these are not extraordinary reasons??? Now what, should we wait until all the Maidan scoundrels start shooting at diplomats? Although, there is only a little time left before this... It seems that Russia has begun to wake up, and the “leadership” is still dozing...
  53. +3
    16 2014 June
    no one will send troops anywhere, the guts are thin, the main thing is the loot. although instead of Europe they could gasify Russia
  54. +3
    17 2014 June
    Yes, it seems that soon there will be no one to admit it...
  55. +4
    17 2014 June
    If Russia does not recognize Novorussia, then this will be the end of everything, I think the GDP understands this perfectly well.
  56. +1
    17 2014 June
    Unlike the government of Great Russia, small South Ossetia is ready to recognize the LPR, despite the reaction of the “world democracies”.

    Monday, June 16, 2014, 19:55 • Tonya Tumanova Print version
    South Ossetia is ready to make a decision in response to the request for recognition of the LPR - media

    KYIV. June 16. UNN. President of South Ossetia Leonid Tibilov is ready to make a constructive decision in response to the request for recognition of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic, reports UNN with reference to RIA Novosti.
    An appeal for recognition was addressed to the President of the Republic of South Ossetia, Leonid Tibilov, and the Chairman of the Parliament, Stanislav Kochiev.
    As RIA Novosti was informed by the press service of the president and government, on Monday “the president held a meeting with the head of government, the chairman of parliament, the head of the presidential administration and other officials, during which instructions were given to work out the issue in each of the areas to make a government decision with taking into account further actions of the legislative and executive branches of government."
    According to the press service, "during the meeting, Leonid Tibilov noted that, respecting the will of the people of the Lugansk People's Republic, guided by generally recognized norms of international law, the Republic of South Ossetia recognized the results of the referendum and is ready to make a constructive decision."
    Source: UNN
    http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/1354976-pivdenna-osetiya-gotova-priynyati-rishenny
    au-vidpovid-na-prokhannya-pro-viznannya-lnr-zmi
  57. +1
    17 2014 June
    Unlike the government of Great Russia, small South Ossetia is ready to recognize the LPR, despite the reaction of the “world democracies”.

    Monday, June 16, 2014, 19:55 • Tonya Tumanova Print version
    South Ossetia is ready to make a decision in response to the request for recognition of the LPR - media

    KYIV. June 16. UNN. President of South Ossetia Leonid Tibilov is ready to make a constructive decision in response to the request for recognition of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic, reports UNN with reference to RIA Novosti.
    An appeal for recognition was addressed to the President of the Republic of South Ossetia, Leonid Tibilov, and the Chairman of the Parliament, Stanislav Kochiev.
    As RIA Novosti was informed by the press service of the president and government, on Monday “the president held a meeting with the head of government, the chairman of parliament, the head of the presidential administration and other officials, during which instructions were given to work out the issue in each of the areas to make a government decision with taking into account further actions of the legislative and executive branches of government."
    According to the press service, "during the meeting, Leonid Tibilov noted that, respecting the will of the people of the Lugansk People's Republic, guided by generally recognized norms of international law, the Republic of South Ossetia recognized the results of the referendum and is ready to make a constructive decision."
    Source: UNN
    http://www.unn.com.ua/ru/news/1354976-pivdenna-osetiya-gotova-priynyati-rishenny
    au-vidpovid-na-prokhannya-pro-viznannya-lnr-zmi
  58. +2
    17 2014 June
    And where is Novorossiya?, really, where is it? The borders with Russia of the new entity are poorly known to us, and where do the borders in Ukraine lie?
    Again, who is leading the process in Novorossiya, where is the leader?, with whom should the Russian authorities conduct a dialogue.
    So far, we see the squeezing out of civilians from the territory of the SE, which will allow a full-scale military operation to be carried out - the civilians have left, their hands are untied.
  59. Cuckoo
    +1
    17 2014 June
    The trouble is that the battles are going on for the cities, it is necessary to close the SE on the borders with the Ukrainians, close the corridors for the supply of weapons for the fascists, blow up railway roads, mine and, if possible, strengthen the border with the Ukrainians, create a republic, INDEPENDENCE AND ITS PROTECTION OF THE BORDERS, create a territorial basis.
  60. 0
    18 2014 June
    Huge respect to the author of the opus. From a UKRAINIAN, all of whom you have enrolled in the ranks of Bandar. Obserai.te and further my people, be angry, here they play very successfully on this of different stripes. It’s clear - if you’re Ukrainian, that means bandera, dill, hakhol. And I don’t give a damn that millions of Ukrainians died in the war, fighting together with all the nations of the late USSR... And now in Russia they are very surprised why the “hakhly” are so opposed to Russia? Let's continue in the same spirit, and not only Ukraine, but even its east will not see Russia as if it were our own ears.

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