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Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia: Army visibility

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Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia: Army visibility


The armed forces of these three countries are unable not only to advance, but also to defend; but they do not expect to fight with anyone

Hasek's famous book about the brave soldier Schweik is most interesting not with his humor, which by the end of the book becomes slightly intrusive and somewhat tiring, and showing how Austrians, Hungarians and Slavs treated each other as countrymen in Austria. Hungary.

“And in the middle of the street, Vodichka, an old sapper, was fighting like a lion, with several Honeds and Honduran hussars standing up for their countryman. He skillfully waved his bayonet on his belt like a flail. Vodichka was not alone. Several Czech soldiers from various regiments fought shoulder to shoulder with him - the soldiers were just passing by. ”

The Honeds are Hungarians. The case took place on the Hungarian territory, through which a train with Czech soldiers was passing. A few days after this massacre, Colonel Schroeder (Austrian) showed Hungarian newspapers to Commanders of the Czechs, Lieutenant Lukasch, in which “compatriots” Czechs were literally depicted as fiends of hell. And he said, in particular, the following: "We, the Austrians, - whether Germans or Czechs - are still great against the Hungarians ... I will tell you frankly: I like the Czech soldier more than the Hungarian rabble."

That is, the Hungarians hated everything, while the Germans and Czechs also did not like each other, to put it mildly. Therefore, the Slavs did not have the slightest desire to fight for this country.

Czech Army

After gaining independence in 1918, Czechoslovakia possessed a very powerful armed forces (AF) and military-industrial complex. However, the desire to fight with the inhabitants of the country did not appear. The Czechoslovak army showed no resistance either to the Germans in 1938 or to the troops of the Warsaw Pact after 30 years. At the same time, at the beginning of the 90s, the country possessed formally very powerful aircraft - 3315 tanks, 4593 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 3485 artillery systems, 446 combat aircraft, 56 attack helicopters.

After the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and then Czechoslovakia, both of its parts began to bring their Armed Forces into a natural state, which, however, completely coincided with European trends. With regard to the Czech Republic, this was aggravated by the fact that the country is now in the depths of NATO and does not feel any external threat at all, which is quite true.

Most of the weapons and equipment produced in the Czech Republic, either under Soviet licenses, or on the basis of Soviet models, there are also quite a lot of Soviet-made equipment.

The Czech ground forces today include seven brigades: 4-th rapid response, 7-th mechanized, 13-th artillery, 14-th logistical support, 15-th engineering, 31-th REB.

The tank fleet consists of 123 T-72 (including 30 modernized in the Czech Republic T-72М4CZ, considered the most advanced version of this multi-faceted tank). There 137 BRM and armored cars (30 BRDM-2RH, 84 Italian Iveco LMV, 23 German "Dingo»), 387 BMP (168 BVP-1 (BMP-1), 185 BVP-2 (BMP-2), 34 BPzV (reconnaissance variant BMP-1)), 129 BTR (five own OT-64 and 17 OT-90, 107 Austrian "Pandoor").

The artillery of the Czech Army includes 89 wheeled self-propelled guns “Dana” (mm 152) and mortar 93.

The Czech Air Force consists of four air bases and one brigade. Battle aviation formally totals 37 aircraft, in fact it simply does not exist. The fact is that 14 JAS-39 fighters (12 C, 2 D) belong to the Swedish Air Force, and are leased in the Czech Republic. 23 attack aircraft of own production L-159 (19 A, 4 T1; another 41 A and two T1 are stored and intended for sale abroad) can only be conditionally considered combat due to low performance characteristics. These machines were created on the basis of the old training L-39 (there are now 18 - eight C, ten ZA in the Czech Air Force), so they are completely unsuitable for modern warfare.

Transport aviation includes four Spanish C-295, 2 Yak-40 (two more in storage), two European A-319CJ, one Canadian CL-601, 10 L-410 (two more in storage); four An-26 are in storage.


Czech soldiers during military exercises in the village of Slatina, Kosovo. Photo: Visar Kryeziu / AP


There are 15 combat helicopters (ten Mi-35, five Mi-24В; another five Mi-24D and ten Mi-24В in storage) and 48 transport and multi-purpose helicopters (ten Polish W-3 "Falcon", three Mi-8, 27 Mi-17, eight European EC135T; another six Mi-8 and one Mi-17 - in storage).

Ground defense includes only 47 Swedish RBS-70 MANPADS.

In general, the combat potential of the Armed Forces of the Czech Republic is negligible, the morale is even lower than it was before. That, however, does not matter either for the country itself or for NATO.

Slovak Army

After artificially dividing Czechoslovakia, without taking into account the opinion of the country's population, Slovakia received an 40% of the armed forces of the disintegrating country and about the same share of the very powerful Czechoslovak military industrial complex. Over the past 20 years, the country has lost most of its military and military-industrial potential, joining NATO in 2004 only accelerated this process. As before, the aircraft are armed only with Soviet and own equipment, with the exception of seven armored vehicles from South Africa.

Ground forces include the 1 and 2 mechanized brigades.

Armed there 30 T-72M, 71 BRM BPsV (based on BMP-1) 253 BMP (91 BVP-2, 162 BVP-1), 77 APCs and armored cars (56 OT-90 (even 22 in storage) 14 "Tatrapan", seven South African RG-32M), 16 SAU "Zuzana" (155 mm), 26 howitzer D-30 (122 mm), six mortars M-1982 (120 mm), 26 RS-RM-70 mm-40 RM-122 mm, 425, 48 mm, X-NUMX RM-10 (X-NUMX mm) ), 315 ATGM "Baby" and "Storm", 2 ADMS "Strela-XNUMX", XNUMX MANPADS "Strela-XNUMX" and "Needle".

The country's air forces are armed with 12 MiG-29 fighters (including two combat-training MiG-29UB); four more (including one UB) in storage.

There are 11 transport aircraft (nine L-410 (two more in storage), two An-26), ten training aircraft L-39С (another 11 in storage).

All 11 combat helicopters Mi-24 (five D, six V) are in storage, as are all nine multipurpose Mi-8. 18 multipurpose Mi-17 helicopters (including four rescue helicopters) and two Mi-2 (ten more in storage) are in the ranks.

Ground defense consists of one C-300PS air defense missile system, four Kvadrat batteries.

Hungarian Army

Another part of the deceased empire, Hungary, traditionally created problems for all. First, Austria, with which it constituted this “dual monarchy,” that is, Austria-Hungary. Then, in the era of the Warsaw Pact - the USSR. Today, Hungary, becoming a member of NATO and the EU, is already causing problems to them, since its current leadership is taking steps in domestic politics that are very far from the norms of democracy. However, Brussels in both its incarnations can only admonish Budapest, he has no other measures of influence on the eternal rebel.


Mi-8 helicopter during exercises of the Hungarian Armed Forces. Photo: Bela Szandelszky / AP


At the same time, Hungary is in very difficult relations with neighboring countries where there are significant Hungarian minorities - Serbia, Romania, Ukraine, Slovakia. Interestingly, Romania and Slovakia are like allies of Hungary in the same NATO and EU.

As part of the Warsaw Pact, the Hungarian Armed Forces were the weakest. At the beginning of the 90's, she had 1345 tanks, 1720 BMP and BTR, 1047 artillery systems, 110 combat aircraft, 39 combat helicopters. Naturally, it was all Soviet-made. Since 1999, the country is in NATO. At the same time, he retains all the same Soviet equipment (except for Swedish fighters and French MANPADS), only it has become much smaller.

The ground forces include 5 and 25 infantry brigades, two regiments (43 communication and command and control, 64 logistics), three battalions (34 special operations, 37 engineering, 93 RHBZ).

In service - X-NUMX tanks T-156 (most of them are in storage), 72 BTR-602, 80 howitzer D-31, 20 mortars 50М (37 mm).

The Air Force includes the 59 air base (it includes all aircraft), the 86 air base (all helicopters), the 12 air defense missile regiment (all ground air defense systems), the 54 radio engineering regiment.

The Air Force has all 14 combat aircraft - Swedish JAS-39 Grippen (12 C, 2 D), and, as in the Czech case, they are formally owned by Sweden, and in Hungary they are leased. In addition, 25 MiG-29 (six of them are UB), eight Su-22, 53 MiG-21 are in storage. MiG-29 put up for sale, the rest are awaiting disposal.

There are also five transport An-26, ten training aircraft Yak-52 (16 L-39ZO in storage), 12 multi-purpose helicopters Mi-8 (still 14 in storage) and seven Mi-17. The 43 combat helicopters Mi-24 (31 D, eight V, four P) are in storage.

Ground defense consists of 16 air defense missile "Cube" (apparently already incapacitated) and 94 MANPADS - 49 "Needle", 45 "Mistral".

Thus, the combat potential of the Hungarian Armed Forces is insignificant, not providing not only external ambitions in the territories of its neighbors, but also its own defense capability. However, this situation fits into modern European trends.

There are no foreign troops on the territory of all three countries described, and their total military potential is less than, for example, in Azerbaijan alone. But since they will never be at war with anyone, this fact has no significance. Moreover, there is no doubt that in the near future the Czech, Slovak and Hungarian armies will be reduced even more.
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  1. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 21 June 2014 09: 16
    +7
    HM interesting.
    Thank you, I didn’t know that our former allies were so bad.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 21 June 2014 10: 15
      +12
      Quote: Al_lexx
      HM interesting.
      Thank you, I didn’t know that our former allies were so bad.

      They just think that is good. All the funds that others spend on the army, these countries spend on medicine, education and infrastructure.
      1. Walking
        Walking 21 June 2014 12: 53
        +17
        Funds are spent on foreign armies.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 22 June 2014 04: 30
          +4
          Quote: Hiking
          Funds are spent on foreign armies.

          Not yet, but the matter will end. Do not want to feed your own - you will feed someone else's.
          1. sgazeev
            sgazeev 22 June 2014 18: 59
            +1
            They will not feed their army. Such is their fate. They are closer to goulash, beer, pork lovers.
      2. Feanor
        Feanor 21 June 2014 14: 01
        +10
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        They just think that is good. All the funds that others spend on the army, these countries spend on medicine, education and infrastructure.
        For them, this is acceptable, because these countries generally do not have big geopolitical ambitions, but for countries leading an independent course a strong army is needed.
      3. JACTUS RECTUS
        JACTUS RECTUS 21 June 2014 17: 43
        +2
        Well, you are a joker, at least tell your jokes to the Hungarians, they will laugh heartily.
      4. nerd.su
        nerd.su 21 June 2014 19: 29
        +3
        Can you tell us about the achievements of Hungary and the Czech Republic in medicine and education?
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 23 June 2014 06: 00
          0
          I won’t say anything about Hungary, but the Prague Medical University is one of the most elite and powerful institutions. Moreover, note that even Russian microcircuits are comparatively behind, both in terms of the quality of education and popularity.
      5. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 21 June 2014 23: 07
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        All funds that others spend on the army

        I don’t remember whose words, but 100% agree with them:
        "The people who do not want to feed their army feeds someone else's"
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 01
          0
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          All funds that others spend on the army

          I don’t remember whose words, but 100% agree with them:
          "The people who do not want to feed their army feeds someone else's"

          Napoleon.
      6. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 22 June 2014 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        All the funds that others spend on the army, these countries spend on medicine, education and infrastructure.

        And what, have you achieved unprecedented success in the areas you indicated?
      7. sgazeev
        sgazeev 22 June 2014 18: 57
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Al_lexx
        HM interesting.
        Thank you, I didn’t know that our former allies were so bad.

        They just think that is good. All the funds that others spend on the army, these countries spend on medicine, education and infrastructure.

        Everything was excellent with them before. The USSR threw them in for loyalnost. But in vain, as Adolf Aloizovich used to be "poodles", the USSR, and now NATO, who will put more cous into that and serve. am
    2. Su24
      Su24 21 June 2014 16: 25
      +4
      The Honeds are Hungarians. The case took place on the Hungarian territory, through which a train with Czech soldiers was passing. A few days after this massacre, Colonel Schroeder (Austrian) showed Hungarian newspapers to Commanders of the Czechs, Lieutenant Lukasch, in which “compatriots” Czechs were literally depicted as fiends of hell. And he said, in particular, the following: "We, the Austrians, - whether Germans or Czechs - are still great against the Hungarians ... I will tell you frankly: I like the Czech soldier more than the Hungarian rabble."

      That is, the Hungarians hated everything, while the Germans and Czechs also did not like each other, to put it mildly. Therefore, the Slavs did not have the slightest desire to fight for this country.


      This is what ethnic ethnicism does with the ancient Empires. It is worth us to think.
      1. Fedya
        Fedya 21 June 2014 20: 19
        +2
        Actually, when I read Schweik, there the Hungarians are called Magyars! Apparently different editions.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 06
          +2
          Magyar, Ugr people. Honved armed man, soldier. Country: Hungary, Hungaria.
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 21 June 2014 09: 19
    +17
    The balanced position of the Czech Republic on the Ukrainian issue is a matter of respect.
    1. alexandr-budarin1
      alexandr-budarin1 21 June 2014 09: 29
      +7
      Yes. Sometimes neutrality and a verified position on any issue can be of great benefit. As the position of China in Ukraine, for example.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 10
        0
        Ukraine is for China, like Taiwan is for us. Vietnam, India, and Japan are "itching" for him. sad
    2. The comment was deleted.
  3. pinecone
    pinecone 21 June 2014 09: 22
    +8
    Thank you for the article. We look forward to reviewing the Armed Forces of Poland, the closest ally of Ukrostan.
    1. vostok1982
      vostok1982 21 June 2014 15: 36
      +9
      "Ally" is said loudly. "Pan" - will be closer to the truth, "Pan who wants to become an enslaver" - it is.
    2. Saburo
      Saburo 21 June 2014 18: 26
      +3
      The Poles are serious guys, the fact that they are one of the few in Europe who does not reduce, but builds up the army and without reminders NATO increase the military budget says a lot.
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Saburo
        The Poles are serious guys, the fact that they are one of the few in Europe who does not reduce, but builds up the army and without reminders NATO increase the military budget says a lot.

        At the moment, several fragments of Sikorsky's conversation have been made public. The Polish Foreign Minister claims that the foreign policy of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Minister of National Defense Tomasz Semoniak is wrong, and "the Polish-American alliance is worthless." Sikorsky said that an alliance with the United States is "harmful because it creates a false sense of security."

        The head of Polish diplomacy explained: "we will quarrel with the Germans, the French, because we support the Americans," assessing this state of affairs using an English obscene expression. wassat
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 21 June 2014 10: 05
    +3
    Yes, "warriors", God forgive me. They hide their entire history behind other people's backs.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 21 June 2014 10: 19
      +4
      Quote: bistrov.
      Yes, "warriors", God forgive me. They hide their entire history behind other people's backs.

      Who was hiding, Hungarians? Probably not. Czechs and Slovaks? Well, too, not everything is clear. Let's remember "Taborite Wars". And in the years of WWII, the Czechs and Slovaks, when they were formed into units, fought with dignity both on the Eastern Front and on the Western.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 22 June 2014 15: 21
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Let's remember the "Taborite Wars"

        Remember better the battle of Lipany, by the way in Soviet textbooks those wars were called "Hussite", which is closer to the truth.
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And during the WWII, Czechs and Slovaks, when they formed units from them, fought quite adequately on the Eastern Front and the Western

        To clarify the situation, name, if this does not complicate you, the numbers of the Czechs / Slovaks who fought on the Eastern Front, and did not carry out guard and guard service.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 30
          0
          To clarify the situation, name, if this does not complicate you, the part numbers of the Czechs / Slovaks who Fought on the Eastern Front, and did not carry out guard and guard service. [/ Quote]
          1st Czechoslovak Corps, commander Ludwig Freedom.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 22 June 2014 21: 33
            0
            Quote: sgazeev
            1st Czechoslovak Corps, commander Ludwig Freedom.

            You’re smart, ours, this military unit was formed near Buzuluk (this is a city in the Orenburg region), but there were only real Czechs and Slovaks there ... in general, not a lot.
            http://topwar.ru/22187-chehoslovackie-formirovaniya-vo-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyne.html

            ... 1st Czechoslovak Separate Infantry Brigade. By September 1943, there were 3517 people in the brigade (more than 60% were Rusyns, the rest were Czechs, Slovaks, Russians and Jews).
            In my question in black and white, "Fighters on the Eastern Front," guess three times at whom they were supposed to shoot? So from those who were supposed to shoot at the Red Army: Of the 36.000 Slovak soldiers who fought on the Eastern Front from July 1941 to September 1944, less than 3.000 died, but more than 27.000 soldiers, officers and generals surrendered. Don't be fooled by the tricks quoted below provocateur, it's their style to stir up and try to get a gesheft.
            Quote: Aron Zaavi ... quite worthy fought on the Eastern Front and the Western

            And how I fought this, I explained to you, I hope.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 24 June 2014 00: 30
              0
              If there is a provocator here, it's you. Learn to work at least with the Internet, if you do not like to read books.
              http://www.czechpatriots.com/membersru.php
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 24 June 2014 00: 24
          +1
          Quote: 11111mail.ru

          To clarify the situation, name, if this does not complicate you, the numbers of the Czechs / Slovaks who fought on the Eastern Front, and did not carry out guard and guard service.

          You are joking?
          http://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-й_Чехословацкий_армейский_корпус
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 21 June 2014 11: 15
      +12
      Quote: bistrov.
      Yes, "warriors", God forgive me. They hide their entire history behind other people's backs.

      At the expense of the Czechs, yes, but not the Hungarians. They already drank the blood of the spacecraft, an easy walk around Hungary did not work out and the "medal for the city of Budapest" was washed with excess blood ...
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 21 June 2014 11: 23
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas

        At the expense of the Czechs, yes, but not the Hungarians. They already drank the blood of the spacecraft, an easy walk around Hungary did not work out and the "medal for the city of Budapest" was washed with excess blood ...

        Czechs also know how to fight, look for materials about Czechoslovak units in WWII. And the Hungarians spoiled the blood primarily to the Turks, for they were a barrier between the Ottoman and Habsgur empires.
    3. parusnik
      parusnik 21 June 2014 11: 36
      +3
      The Czechs exhausted their whole spirit in the Hussite wars ..
      Initially, the Hussites fought against the Catholics, who organized as many as 5 crusades, later their movement was divided into moderates ("cups"), reconciled with the Catholics, and radicals ("taborites") who were defeated. On May 30, 1434, in the battle of Lipans, the army of taborites was completely defeated by the cups, actively supported by the army of Catholics. The truth In 1618, a Czech uprising began against Emperor Ferdinand II. And in 1620, the Czechs were defeated by the Habsburgs in the battle of Belaya Gora, and the Habsburg domination in the Czech Republic lasted another 300 years.
      1. vostok1982
        vostok1982 21 June 2014 15: 38
        +4
        You can dig even deeper. The Czechs and kindred tribes were once Orthodox and had a huge, powerful principality in the center of Europe. Then they were good warriors and morale was on top. But they were defeated, enslaved by Catholics, lost the Slavic fire in blood ...
  5. muginov2015
    muginov2015 21 June 2014 11: 25
    +3
    It looks like the term "two days before Lisbon" has a real background.
  6. padonok.71
    padonok.71 21 June 2014 11: 35
    +5
    Czechs do not have to fight. They need to brew beer. A lot of beer. A lot of beer. And bake a boar knee. And open the border with Russia. And it will be GOOD !!!
    But it is necessary to fight the Deutsch and Russam (but not among themselves), only they get it GOOD !!!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 June 2014 04: 38
      +5
      Quote: padonok.71
      But it is necessary to fight the Deutsch and Russam (but not among themselves), only they get it GOOD !!!

      Under the kings everything was right: the Gypsies stole, the Jews traded, the Russians fought.
      And now?
      Gypsies trade, Jews fight, Russians steal.

      Who decided to take offense at the last part, remember well, at least the same Serdyukov.
      1. padonok.71
        padonok.71 22 June 2014 12: 14
        +2
        At the expense of the fact that Angry, Russin is a big question. And so, everything is correct. To Caesar, to Caesar, and to the locksmith, to Caesar.
        1. sgazeev
          sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 42
          0
          Quote: padonok.71
          At the expense of the fact that Angry, Russin is a big question. And so, everything is correct. To Caesar, to Caesar, and to the locksmith, to Caesar.

          Or he can dig deeper. Maybe he’s grandmother Hawker (stool).
  7. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 June 2014 11: 57
    +5
    Mr. Khramchikhin somehow did not answer the most important question. Why the heck are the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary the army and the military-industrial complex stamping armored vehicles and aviation? Why spend budget funds on useless things that are not useful?
    PS: the author is somewhat inaccurate at the expense of Czech aviation. UBS L-159 produced in the amount of 72pcs. 23 of them cars (brand new) are stored in a plastic packaging filled with nitrogen, 47 in the troops. The Czechs can not sell those in storage, the price has already fallen to 600 thousand dollars per car! The car is not bad, in fact it is a multi-purpose attack aircraft (in place of the second pilot, either additional equipment or an additional fuel tank is installed) with a combat load of 2,3 tons, which is not small for its parameters. Speed ​​900km / h, combat radius 500km, 4 AGM-65 Maverick or 4 AIM-9M Sidewinder, or 2 GBU-12 Paveway2, aerial bombs, NURSs, overhead containers, Radar Grifo L.
    In place of the leadership of Ukraine, I would think about the acquisition. 600 thousand for such a machine is quite cheap, especially since the machines are ready for operation right away ...

    1. anip
      anip 21 June 2014 12: 25
      +7
      Quote: Nayhas
      In place of the leadership of Ukraine, I would think about the acquisition. 600 thousand for such a machine is quite cheap, especially since the machines are ready for operation right away ...

      They would be bought by South Ossetia and transferred to help the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. winked
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 21 June 2014 16: 16
        +3
        Quote: anip
        Mr. Khramchikhin somehow did not answer the most important question. Fuck Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary army and defense industry

        this is the main thing, they are in NATO ...
        barking in the USSR, all equipment was supplied free of charge ...
        and the most reliable and combat-ready were the Germans from the GDR ...

        Now a little off topic, but very important ....
        new Chinese BMP-T, already in metal (((((copy of the Soviet Object 299))))

        the tower looks like a Russian assault 120-mm self-propelled gun 2S31 "Vienna".
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 21 June 2014 20: 46
        +2
        Quote: anip
        They would be bought by South Ossetia and transferred to help the Donetsk and Lugansk republics.

        I hope you are not serious? South Ossetia is not recognized by anyone, and therefore no one can sell weapons to her, except for us of course ...
      3. sgazeev
        sgazeev 22 June 2014 19: 45
        0
        Quote: anip
        Quote: Nayhas
        In place of the leadership of Ukraine, I would think about the acquisition. 600 thousand for such a machine is quite cheap, especially since the machines are ready for operation right away ...

        They would be bought by South Ossetia and transferred to help the Donetsk and Lugansk republics. winked

        Abkhazia was also removed from the language. During the conflict, "Leshki" was shown well.
  8. Nikich
    Nikich 21 June 2014 12: 39
    +4
    Why should they fight? America is fighting for them all, they only require support for American decisions.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 23 June 2014 00: 32
      0
      Czech participation in the military campaign in Afghanistan was constantly expanding. First, the country sent six field hospitals here. Then - meteorologists and other specialists of "peaceful professions". For several years, Czech soldiers guarded a German base in Fayzabad, in the north of the country. Later, Czech provincial reconstruction teams were founded in two provinces - Logar and Wardak. Czech military advisers worked as part of training and communications groups (OMLT). Legendary Czech special forces also left their mark in Afghanistan. Even before the start of the ISAF mission, the Czech Republic sent 100 operatives from the 601th special-purpose group to help the US operation Enduring Freedom. But due to the fact that the attitude towards the participation of fellow countrymen in the Afghan war was ambiguous, the commandos worked separately from the rest and neatly swept traces. A few years ago, Western media even wrote that Czech special forces allegedly avoided participating in hostilities. It's hard to believe. Only the “first shift” of the 601th group during its six-month business trip took part in more than 30 military operations, including the capture of several high-ranking Taliban field commanders. Instead of the withdrawal of Western coalition troops from Afghanistan in 2014, it seems to be coming new stage. The Czech contingent will also take part in it.

      In early June, the Czech Prime Minister announced that approximately 140 Czech soldiers would remain here after 2014. Earlier it was said that these would be exclusively consultants and instructors. Indeed, last year it became known that NATO in 2015 will begin a new operation to train the Afghan army (ANTAAM). But in the summer it was said that the Czechs would also ensure the security of the outer perimeter of the Bagram base. In 2014, Czech special forces will return to the country. According to the Czech Prime Minister, his "deployment and tasks have not yet been determined." “Special forces will play a significant role in the future operation (which will replace the ISAF mission),” the head of government said. The ANTAAM mission turned into a Resolute Support operation and there were doubts that in the current situation it would be exclusively a training session. Http://news.rambler.ru/21311152/Photo: Afghanistan. Group of Czech snipers
  9. bred55
    bred55 21 June 2014 14: 51
    0
    Here it is, real freedom in Russian! The National Search of all the inhabitants of our state walks freely on the Internet. You just look http://peopleofrussia.in It's outrageous! Personally, I found complete, and most importantly, reliable information, also on relatives.
  10. Rigla
    Rigla 21 June 2014 15: 59
    0
    Most likely by 2030. the above countries will militarily resemble the current Baltic countries.
    Amused by the reminder of the territorial claims of Hungary (by the way, Romania too) on the land of vile Bandera.
  11. Leshka
    Leshka 21 June 2014 17: 24
    +1
    with such armies, even with the Taliban
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 22 June 2014 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: Leshka
      with such armies, even with the Taliban


      Yes, and with the SA and the US Army with the Taliban, too, especially you will not fight: - /
      At least both us and them were actually expelled from the country
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 22 June 2014 15: 47
        0
        No, they leave themselves. Americans because they fulfilled their task-created chaos that will climb to us, Chinese, Iranians, packs.
        Ours, because its own leadership of the country successfully merged its positions, Najibullah successfully fought for 3 years with our support.
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 24 June 2014 01: 26
          0
          Quote: strannik1985
          Ours, because its own leadership of the country successfully merged its positions, Najibullah successfully fought for 3 years with our support.


          double thought :-)))
          both our and the American army have not fulfilled their task - they have not completely crushed the rebels.
          politicians would not have given an exit if the military had won the war.
          we, just like the usa in vietnam, won every battle, but lost the war. in fact, the usa in afghanistan is in exactly the same situation now.
          well ... so far Karzai is also not going to give up
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 24 June 2014 19: 39
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            CDRT
            SA in Afghanistan withstood up to 150 Mujahideen with huge help from the whole Western world (emnip 000 million dollars per year) Given the position of the locals - my hut from the edge, the army did not know anything but could solve the problem on its own, it was necessary to isolate the theater of war, the main supply routes went through Pakistan, that is, stepping Pakistan into India or supporting an uprising in the Pashtun Tribal Zone, that is, it was the decision of the leadership of the USSR that was necessary, this was not done, without taking measures at the level of the country's leadership to keep the army there it makes no sense, with Soviet support the Mujahideen calmly fell for 500 years.
            Do you seriously think that the Americans can not cope with 10-15 thousand militants in the Sunni triangle? And so stupid that they create a financial base for the mujahideen? (For the cultivation of drugs, they used aid from agricultural assistance to Afghanistan.
  12. k_ply
    k_ply 21 June 2014 19: 20
    +1
    All sorts of Belgium, Norway, yes Denmark and Finland with their mini-armies you understand! - a dismissive analogy with regard to Soviet weapons too (as if there are not enough of them in the RA), at the time to recall the military structure in Switzerland (and the "combat strength" of peacetime). It turns out if our country was small, we would have lost it in the period 1941-1942 and it remains to rely on the vastness of the country?
    ... their total military potential is less than, for example, that of Azerbaijan alone.

    We compared the strength, combat strength and number of tanks, as always, but not the military budget for the strength and strength. For example, the military composition of Azerbaijan includes cropped units (brigades) and formations (corps), i.e. in case of mobilization deployment. Yes, and Azerbaijani aircraft (MiG-25 / -29), if possible, can even fly over the Caspian Sea, but where can Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians fly on the MiG-29 and SAAB JAS-39 Gripen? - only in the framework of joint NATO exercises.

    And where does the army and interethnic relations? In the modern Russian army there are no problems in the relationship between draftees from Dagestan or Tuva and the rest of Russia? In Soviet times and with a powerful army, it seems to me that everyone in the army was dismissive of Moldovans, for example.

    Something crushed the Russian people, maybe all the same without arrogance and arrogance?
  13. Aslan
    Aslan 21 June 2014 20: 26
    +1
    In principle, they especially do not claim to be anything, but the fact that the hands of Czechs grow from where it is needed is a fact, and they do good quality equipment and weapons.
  14. k_ply
    k_ply 21 June 2014 22: 20
    +2
    When the ATS existed, the armies of the GDR and Czechoslovakia were in good standing, except for Poland (Poland), Hungary (Hungary) and Romania (SRR). Bulgaria (NRB) was respectively assigned to the UE theater, but with the minimum planned activity of the neighboring NATO countries of Greece and Turkey, which themselves are doctrinal opponents. By the way, the forces of the then opposing Belgium and Holland were taken seriously.
  15. k_ply
    k_ply 21 June 2014 23: 14
    +1
    Speaking about the armed forces of other countries, if possible, or data is being collected on this topic, the military primarily compares the combat training level of military personnel, and NOT the strength, number of divisions and individual brigades (also combat-ready, not squad), or -in MBT, art systems, combat aircraft and helicopters. Although the combat readiness of the troops can be linked to the physical and moral obsolescence of weapons and the availability of spare parts, this is probably why the military budget includes, among others (the purchase of weapons and military equipment, development of infrastructure, cash allowance), Combat training and MTO troops.
  16. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 June 2014 23: 56
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    Good review. It would be good to describe all the countries of the Union of Homosexuals in order to have an idea who is standing separately.
  17. Baitly
    Baitly 22 June 2014 06: 41
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    Quote: Saburo
    The Poles are serious guys, the fact that they are one of the few in Europe who does not reduce, but builds up the army and without reminders NATO increase the military budget says a lot.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO_9BHiPfUU&feature=player_embedded
    Uncle Vova will come and "Serious guys" will scatter like cockroaches drinks
  18. skate44
    skate44 22 June 2014 06: 55
    +1
    I don’t know how the Czechs now have with the automotive industry, well, something was not visible on the roads of either the Tatra Mountains or Java motorcycles.
    1. Baitly
      Baitly 22 June 2014 07: 00
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      Absolutely right! Java they do, but no one buys it, because it is not much different from the one that my dad had 45 years ago laughing
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    3. k_ply
      k_ply 22 June 2014 14: 59
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      TATRA - http://www.tatra.ru/
      Java - http://www.java.eu/
      There is also Škoda and CZ - http://www.czub.ru/?cat=54
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  19. Baitly
    Baitly 22 June 2014 06: 56
    +1
    Something crushed the Russian people, maybe all the same without arrogance and arrogance? ....

    Dear k_ply, maybe you shouldn’t so categorically judge the whole Russian people? It’s not clear what Moldavians are here? I also do not like them (for stupidity). So what to do? You can’t put your head to the Moldavian ... laughing
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    2. k_ply
      k_ply 22 June 2014 13: 41
      +1
      What is this peremptory conclusion-shifter !? :
      Quote: baitly
      Dear k_ply, maybe you shouldn’t so categorically judge the whole Russian people?

      This: "Yes, "warriors", God forgive me. They hide their entire history behind other people's backs." and this: "The Czechs exhausted their whole spirit in the Hussite wars .."- not from arrogance? Considering myself a Russian, I also think that one should possess super-stupidity and super-arrogance to write such fabrications, which are unusual for Russians historically and I am ashamed of such" experienced "compatriots by combat experience.
      Quote: baitly
      It’s not clear what Moldavians are here?

      Which Moldovans? why do Moldovans ?:
      Quote: k_ply
      And where does the army and international relations? ...

      Right! you can’t put your head on it.
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  21. strannik1985
    strannik1985 22 June 2014 07: 20
    +2
    Khramchikhin, such a Khramchikhin. The Hungarians tried to put the Central Bank under their leadership - anti-democratic steps, how not to note the "military expert".
    Well, the question that has already been asked here. What is the point of considering the potential of the armed forces if they are to be part of NATO. Azerbaijan is part of any military bloc? Does the Czech Republic or Slovakia have its own Karabakh? I'm not talking about the opportunity to invest in the army received from the sale of oil.
  22. Yarik
    Yarik 22 June 2014 12: 54
    +1
    Fedya Yesterday, 20:19 ↑
    Actually, when I read Schweik, there the Hungarians are called Magyars! Apparently different editions.


    Honved is not a Hungarian, but something like a "militia", so in my opinion. "Defender".
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 22 June 2014 15: 28
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      Quote: Yarik
      Honved is not a Hungarian, but something like a "militia", so in my opinion. "Defender"

      Not every Magyar = Honved, but every Honved = Magyar.
  23. Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 22 June 2014 15: 14
    +1
    "The famous book of Hasek about the brave soldier Schweik is most interesting not for its humor, which towards the end of the book becomes slightly intrusive and somewhat tiresome, but for showing how the Austrians, Hungarians and Slavs, who at that time were considered compatriots in a country called Austria -Hungary. "
    Controversial statement. As in the first paragraph, so in the second. In my opinion, the book of Yaroslav Hasek is just interesting in humor and satire in relation to the army of ANY Country. What he described is, was, is and will be in any army in the world. This does not bother me. And international relations are not the most interesting in this book.
  24. Larus
    Larus 22 June 2014 19: 27
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    They won’t fight, but let’s remember Hitler and his satellites, who completely descended to fight civilians
  25. Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 22 June 2014 23: 10
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    Why the heck are these countries generally military aircraft ?? With their size and modern fighter speeds, this is takeoff, climb and all ..... the border)))
  26. Wolka
    Wolka 25 June 2014 07: 12
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    that is why NATO today is a half-decomposed corpse, most of the participating countries do not want to fight for the interests of others, and in fact they have nothing to fight, of all only Germans, but the French can still do something, the rest are so-so, nothing more than logistics support ... bully
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 25 June 2014 10: 08
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      Strong countries, including militarily, can claim independence, why is the United States?