Are there mines with phosphorus in the arsenal of Ukrainian punishers?

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In media reports from the Donetsk People's Republic, recently it is said that Ukrainian punishers are using banned ammunition filled with white phosphorus. The shelling was carried out with mortar shells of caliber 120 mm (see photo).

The use of such munitions against civilians and in populated areas is prohibited by the Geneva Convention. However, the United States used phosphorus-banned ammunition in the recent wars in Iraq and Libya.

The Ukrainian authorities claim that they do not have such ammunition, which means that they could not use them. Is it so?

I dare say that such shells can be in the arsenal of Ukrainian punishers. Ukrainian military is widely used against the militias 120-mm mines (see figure. Below). They, by thoughtlessness or ignorance, and maybe deliberately, could among them also use mines in phosphorous equipment. Anyway, the facts of the application of the prohibited weapons fixed. Criminals will have to answer for this!

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In the Soviet Union, the 120-mm incendiary mine of the ТР 3-843А type with a combined thermite-phosphorus equipment was adopted by the Red Army at the beginning of 1943. This mine was filled with yellow phosphorus, 36 thermite incendiary elements in metal cups and a small bursting charge. When the mines burst, burning incendiary elements scattered within a radius of up to 40 m from the point of rupture and created 36 firing sites with temperatures over 2000 degrees Celsius and burning time around 15 s After burning incendiary elements, heated slags remained, capable of melting thin sheet iron. 120-mm TR incendiary mines ensured reliable ignition of wooden structures.
Are there mines with phosphorus in the arsenal of Ukrainian punishers?


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  1. +4
    13 2014 June
    Video in the topic -

    1. +1
      13 2014 June
      Hmm ... States BENDERS have provided BROTHER help ... !!!
      1. 0
        13 2014 June
        And they say no in service ... Again mattress covers podsuetil? Nothing is sorry for them for the genocide of a strange people.
      2. 0
        13 2014 June
        Either they found the junta in the old reserves. So old that the ammunition doesn't always burn
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +3
      13 2014 June
      Quote: Rus2012
      Video in the topic -


      Author everywhere +! drinks (both for the article and for the comment) soldier

      And for reference, any special-purpose aviation ammunition, i.e. lighting or signal (except smoke) with very small and not difficult mathematical calculations, to obtain some ballistic indicators. For the next mechanical installation and manual input .. turns into ammunition prohibited for use under the Convention.
      So let the Ukrainians spit from the fact that they have nothing and it's not ours at all .. as "Us Saka" says wassat
  2. gsg955
    +2
    13 2014 June
    And what is it worth to throw mines to your satellites?
    1. +4
      13 2014 June
      Quote: gsg955
      And what is it worth to throw mines to your satellites?

      Of course they can ...

      but it is necessary with mortars or to test the ammunition available under 3,14.



      In the photo in the article, clearly Soviet mines of the TP 3-843 type with 3 fire-conducting holes on the tail.
  3. +9
    13 2014 June
    I am not a chemist, but maybe someone will come in handy
    1. +9
      13 2014 June
      White phosphorus is quenched with a solution of copper sulfate (sulfate) in water. 5% copper sulfate solution is used for poisoning with white phosphorus.
      Calcium carbonate (chalk) neutralizes phosphorus oxides. It also neutralizes sodium carbonate (soda) and potassium carbonate (potash)
  4. +4
    13 2014 June
    War criminals have a direct road to the dock at the tribunal, and from there to the gallows.
  5. +5
    13 2014 June
    respond? in front of whom? all freaks have been safely forgiven for a long time already, if they cut the whole east to a single person, the West will not see anything anyway
    1. +2
      13 2014 June
      Quote: alekseinew
      all freaks have been safely forgiven for a long time already, if they cut the whole east into a single person, the west will not see anything anyway

      Who still does not understand that the United States is fighting against Russia in the Southeast with the hands of Bandera rabble. And the reason for the "closed eyes" lies not in ignorance and misunderstanding, but purely in the economic sphere: the BD area is the shale gas deposits that American companies and Ukrainian Naftagaz are ready to extract. In order to evict the population (to clear the territory from the remnants of the population), a filtration camp (reservation) is already being built near Nikolaev.
      The USA in Ukraine acts by the methods of colonization of Indian lands, only white phosphorus is used instead of blankets infected with smallpox.
      And the West repeats the history of Yugoslavia: there, too, they "did not see" when the Serbs were massacred. But then EBENya did nothing against NATO, except for the throw of our paratroopers in Pristina. The airborne assault landing on the airfield, as in Afghanistan, did not follow. Now we cannot give our blood Russians and fellow believers at our borders to be torn apart by the Nazis and their amerovskie masters. IMHO.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        0
        13 2014 June
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Who still does not understand that the United States is fighting against Russia in the Southeast by the hands of the Bandera rabble


        Hello, Sasha! +! soldier

        How to whom? To the President of the Russian Federation and the Government of the Russian Federation! soldier

        Even in DUMA, and then ... they have already begun to understand "who is and ... where", but the Tops have everything ... Friends, partners, colleagues, we need to help the economy ... ".... I don’t want to lose and .. the client" belay as I heard, already .. closed belay request
        1. Dracula
          0
          13 2014 June
          Rotted * top * completely. And this is on the eve of war, the scribe is complete. For that, we now know - hu of Mr. Putin? and his friends.
  6. +4
    13 2014 June
    Commentary by Igor Strelkov: I did not meet such ammunition in the first or second Chechen war ...

    - What can you say about the strange incendiary ammunition used by troops? They talk about the phosphorus charge.

    “I'm not such a great military specialist to determine the appearance of ammunition.” I haven’t seen such ammunition in my military practice. Neither the first nor the second Chechen campaigns. At first I thought that these were low tears of the so-called “chandeliers” - special lighting bombs. But “chandeliers” must be suspended by parachutes. Here we are talking about cluster munitions, which explode in the air and flood certain areas with incendiary mixture. I don’t know what kind of ammunition this is.


    Here is another mine residue skin
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      13 2014 June
      Quote: Rus2012
      At first I thought that these were low tears of the so-called “chandeliers” - special lighting bombs. But “chandeliers” must be suspended by parachutes. Here we are talking about cluster munitions, which explode in the air and flood certain areas with incendiary mixture


      Well Igor ... "forgive" .. he knows his business and does on good

      1. SAB is essentially a CASSETTE, only with much more powerful "candles".
      2. Above I already wrote in the commentary, now in more detail, who prevents to calculate the later disclosure of the dumped SAB, that is. to a height of 100 meters?
      You set a new T (deceleration time of the fuse) and .. "get and sign".
      3.And you must understand ... they must and they are these parachutes only in order to provide the maximum time for highlighting the target area or the database area.
      And now, imagine how much power this candle has.

      And there is such a "piece" as FOTAB .... this is then generally ..... full crying
      And the area of ​​coverage (dispersion) is considered elementary .....
  7. Death to the Nazis
    +2
    13 2014 June
    I'm not special. at the expense of phosphorus bombs, but the video in two days - it was clear yesterday and today were clearly not lighting. am
  8. +2
    13 2014 June
    Here is another Psaki pearl on this subject -
    Jen Psaki suggested that Russia used phosphorus bombs near Slavyansk

    At a briefing, State Department spokesman Jen Psaki first heard from reporters that incendiary phosphorus bombs had been used near Slavyansk the day before. Her reaction surprised journalists

    When asked what is the opinion of the State Department on the use of phosphorus bombs in the vicinity of Slavyansk, Jen Psaki, famous for her eccentric statements, asked again: “By whom, Russians?”
    “The Ukrainian army,” the journalist said.
    “No, I have not seen this,” replied Psaki.
    On the night of 11 on 12 on June, Ukrainian security forces fired incendiary bombs on the village of Semenovka near Slavyansk, militias say. This is the first use of such weapons in the course of the Ukrainian conflict. Incendiary bombs are designed to cause fires. Materials such as white phosphorus are sometimes used to make them. When used against military targets located inside or in the vicinity of populated areas, weapons containing white phosphorus are prohibited by international agreements. This is spelled out in the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.

    Source - http://russian.rt.com/article/36255
    1. portoc65
      +4
      13 2014 June
      I didn’t see the psaki .. and if only the Russians used white phosphorus, then the psaki would have seen it all myself. I’m not going to break through anything. The genius is an excuse.
  9. MAG
    +3
    13 2014 June
    We have mortars on "chandeliers" instead of a standard fuse with a timer, they set a combat one and set fire to brilliant green at night.
    1. +3
      13 2014 June
      But just if you put a fuse with a timer instead of the M-1 fuse on the "incendiary cast-iron mine", then we will get the effect as in the photo. Burst and scatter of incendiary elements in the air.
      True, as I understand it, the basis of the incendiary composition is termite. And phosphorus is used for spontaneous combustion.
      1. +1
        13 2014 June
        The T-1 remote-shock tube causes a charge to be detonated even in the air.


        Shots with incendiary mine 3-З-2 and illuminating mine 3С9. Addition to the service manual 120-mm mortar mod. 1938 - https://yadi.sk/d/X37dKxMnTFCkL

        Service manual Pyrotechnic remote impact tube T-1 (1957) - https://yadi.sk/d/Kh6Pfi2sTFE66
  10. +8
    13 2014 June
    These are our old incendiary mines, such good things in the warehouses have remained healthy! Shooters could not see them, due to the lack of their use in Chechnya! We didn’t shoot our cities with lighters! Their use is an indicator of the helplessness of the Kiev regime! They have no spirit! Power is not in bombs, but in truth!
    1. +3
      13 2014 June
      Quote: Artyom
      These are our old incendiary mines, such good things in the warehouses remain healthy!

      By the way, unrefined "white phosphorus" is usually called "yellow phosphorus". And the white itself has a yellowish tint ...
  11. lankrus
    +2
    13 2014 June
    There are no more words, only expressions remained.
  12. portoc65
    +1
    13 2014 June
    In response, ukrov need to be thrown with vacuum bombs. It is a pity the militias have no serious weapons.
  13. +2
    13 2014 June
    The next step is chemical weapons! I will not be surprised at its use ... scum
  14. +1
    13 2014 June
    it's only the beginning! Shale gas cleared
  15. +1
    13 2014 June
    Flamethrower systems at the firing just held = not for applying?
  16. +1
    13 2014 June
    Hooray, at least some normal discussion ...
    laughing

    So our yesterday’s thought with Sanya was confirmed.
    Long live the "tank-flight" alliance!
    drinks
    Quote from the topic:
    http://topwar.ru/51630-prigorody-slavyanska-obstrelyali-strannymi-boepripasami-z

    azhigatelnye-bomby.html #

    Quote: Aleks tv
    APU worked 120mm mines. (possibly from 2B16, but not required)
    Shot "3B34". It includes an incendiary mine "3-Z-2" (three-three - two).

    And about the "white phosphorus" ... what is included in the warhead - there is a lot of information in Google.

    Gunners, correct, pliz, if you made a mistake ... And then here we are with Sanya (Alex 241) we express this option.
    I am a tanker. Sanya is a pilot.
    laughing
    Gunners, where are you?
    We are discussing your mathematical part.
  17. 0
    13 2014 June
    Such ammunition "out of thoughtlessness" - as the article says - is not used.
  18. 0
    13 2014 June
    shit ... if, (God forbid !!!) the Americans put together charges from the "Komsomol member" (and such infa once surfaced) then there is a likelihood of more serious weapons of mass destruction ...
  19. Leshka
    0
    13 2014 June
    inheritance from the union
  20. 0
    14 2014 June
    And what does the Geneva Convention have to do with it? The use of weapons containing white phosphorus and similar compounds in places of civilian population is prohibited by the Convention on the Prohibition or Restriction of the Use of Specific Conventional Weapons, which may be considered to cause excessive damage or have indiscriminate effect. This convention entered into force in 1983. Several dozen states joined it. But Protocol III to this convention, which prohibits the use of incendiary weapons in areas where civilians are concentrated, was not recognized by the United States. In 2009, America notified the UN Secretary-General as the CCW depositary (international law allows states to make interpretative reservations regarding the text of a multilateral document) that they reserve the right to “use incendiary weapons against military installations located in a civilian concentration area in the event of if there is an estimate that such actions could result in fewer casualties or less general damage than the use of alternative weapons. ”

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