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Caucasian wars

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150 years ago, Russia celebrated the end of the long Caucasian Wars. But the beginning of them date in different ways. You can meet 1817, 1829, or mention that they lasted "one and a half centuries". There was really no specific start date. Back in 1555, the embassies of Kabardians and the Grebensky Cossacks arrived to Ivan the Terrible, “they gave the truth to the whole earth” - they accepted the citizenship of Moscow. Russia established itself in the Caucasus, built fortresses: the Terek town, the Sunzhensky and the Koisinsky ostory. Under the authority of the king passed part of the Circassians and Dagestan princes. Citizenship remained nominal, they did not pay tribute, the royal administration was not assigned to them. But Transcaucasia was divided between Turkey and Persia. They were alarmed, began to drag the highlanders to themselves, set them on the Russians. Raids were committed, archers and Cossacks made retaliatory forays into the mountains. Periodically, hordes of Crimean Tatars, Nogais, and Persians rolled.

It so happened that the fortresses and Cossack settlements fenced off the Chechens from the Tatar and Persian attacks. By the beginning of the XVIII century. they intensified. The governors reported: "Chechens and Kumyks began to attack the towns, drive away livestock, horses and polonit people." And the Grebensky Cossacks numbered only 4 thousand along with their wives and children. In 1717, the 500 of the best Cossacks went on a tragic expedition to Khiva, where they died. Chechens ousted the remaining combi from Sunzha, forced to retreat to the left bank of the Terek.

In 1722, Peter I undertook a campaign on the Caspian. Some mountain rulers obeyed him, others broke. Russia subordinated part of Azerbaijan, in the North Caucasus built the fortress of the Holy Cross. Russian garrisons were stationed in Derbent, Baku, Astara, Shamakhi. But they got into a mess of wars. There were continuous clashes with supporters of the Turks, the Persians, just gangs of robbers. And malaria, dysentery, and plague epidemics claimed far more victims than battles. In 1732, Empress Anna Ivanovna considered that the retention of Transcaucasia leads only to costs and losses. With Persia signed an agreement, setting the border on the Terek. The troops from Azerbaijan and Dagestan were withdrawn, instead of the fortress of the Holy Cross, a new one was built - Kizlyar.

It was supposed that peace would now reign ... It was not there! Highlanders perceived a retreat as a sign of weakness. And with the weak in the Caucasus did not stand on ceremony. The attacks fell incessantly. For example, in 1741, the Kizlyar Cossacks appealed to the Astrakhan Bishop: “In the past, the sovereign, 1740, attacked us, servants and orphans of the great sovereign, Busurmane Tatars, burnt down the holy church, took away our servants and orphans of the great sovereign, Pop Lavra, and great ruin caused. Great lord, Reverend Hilarion of Astrakhan and Terek, perhaps we were ... led to build a new church in the name of Nicholas the Wonderworker and came to us, serfs and orphans of the great sovereign, another priest for Laurus ... ”

There was another reason for predation. Russia won another war with Turkey, and one of the clauses of the 1739 peace treaty provided for: the Crimean Khanate liberated all Russian slaves. And the Crimea was the main supplier of "live goods" to the markets of the East! Prices for slaves jumped steeply, and the Caucasian tribes took up hunting for them. The tsarist government began to build up defenses. In 1762 the Mozdok fortress was founded, friendly Kabardians settled in it. In the following years, 500 families of Volga Cossacks were transferred to Terek, they built a number of stanitsas adjacent to the Grebensky towns. And from the side of the Kuban, the border was covered by the Don Army.

The result of the next war with the Turks, in 1774, was the nomination of Russia to the Kuban. The raids did not stop, in 1777 a special article appeared in the state budget: 2 thousand rubles. silver for ransom from the mountaineers of Christian captives. In 1778, A.V. was appointed commander of the Kuban Corps. Suvorov. He was given the task of building a fortified line across the border. He reported to Potemkin: “I dug the Kuban from the Black Sea into the adjacency of the Caspian, under the roof of the sky, succeeded in one great post to establish a network of multiple fortresses like Mozdok, not with the worst taste.” But it did not help! Already in the fall of 1778, Mr. Suvorov indignantly wrote: “The troops, having come to relaxation, began to be plundered — shame to say — from the barbarians, they have a concept below military device!” Yes, the soldiers carried out the guard service. But it was enough to gape, they were “plundered” by the highlanders and dragged into captivity.

Well, the Turks sent their emissaries to unite the Caucasian peoples to fight the Russians. The first preacher of the "holy war", Sheikh-Mansur, appeared. In 1790, the army of Batal Pasha landed in the Kuban. But he was smashed to smithereens, and in 1791 our troops stormed the main base of Sheikh Mansur, the fortress of Anapa. For severity, this operation was compared with the assault of Ishmael. In Anapa, Sheik-Mansur himself was captured. Accordingly, the Russian government increased its defense. Several parties of the Don Cossacks were resettled to the Caucasus, and in June 1792 of the city of Catherine II bestowed land on the Kuban Black Sea Forces, former Cossacks. Began to build Ekaterinodar, 40 Zaporozhye Kurena founded 40 villages: Plastunovsky, Bryukhovetskaya, Kushchevskaya, Kislyakovskaya, Ivanovo, Krylovskaya, etc.

In 1800, Georgia was transferred under the authority of the Russian Tsar. However, this rebelled the Persian Shah, unleashed a war. Our troops in Transcaucasia defended the Georgians, discarded their enemies. But they were actually cut off from their homeland by the array of the Caucasus. Some of the local peoples became for the Russian sincere friends and allies: the Ossetians, part of the Kabardians, the Abkhaz. Other Turks and Persians successfully used. Alexander I, in his rescript, noted: “To my great displeasure, I see that the lines of predation of the mountain peoples are becoming very strong and much more incomparable to the opposition of former times.” And the local chief, Knorring, reported to the sovereign: “From the time of my service as an inspector of the Caucasian line, I was most concerned about predatory robberies, villainous robberies and kidnappings ...”.

Reports retained a scant line about the then tragedies. In the village of Bogoyavlensky, more than 30 residents were slaughtered ... from the village of Vorovskolessky, people were driven into 200 mountains ... the village of Kamennobrodskoe was destroyed, Chechens killed 100 people in church, 350 was driven into slavery. And in the Kuban Circassians ravaged. The Black Sea people who moved here lived extremely poorly, but still, every winter, the highlanders crossed the Kuban across the ice, robbed the latter, killed, and took them captive. Saved only mutual assistance. At the first signal of danger, a shot, a shout, all combat-capable Cossacks threw cases, seized weapon and rushed to where it was bad. In January, 1810 on the Olginsky cordon and a half hundred Cossacks, led by Colonel Tikhovsky, took over the blow of 8 thousand Circassians. Fought 4 hours. When ran out of ammunition, rushed into the melee. Esaul Gadzhanov and 17 Cossacks made their way, all wounded, most soon died. Late help counted on the site of the battle 500 enemy corpses.

And the most effective form of protection was retaliatory campaigns. The mountaineers respected power and had to remember - a retribution would follow for each raid. It was especially hard in 1812. The troops left to defend the Fatherland from Napoleon. Activated the Persians, Chechens, Circassians. The newspapers did not write about the battles in the Caucasus at this time, they were not discussed in the social salons. But they were no less cruel, the wounds were no less painful, and the dead were mourned no less bitterly. Only by exerting all the forces our troops and Cossacks managed to fight back.

After the defeat of the French, additional forces went to the Caucasus, and the pupil of Suvorov, Alexei Petrovich Yermolov, became commander in chief. He appreciated: with half measures you will not achieve anything, the Caucasus must be conquered. He wrote: “The Caucasus is a huge fortress, protected by a half-million garrison. It is necessary either to storm it or to seize the trenches. The assault will be expensive. So let the siege. ” Yermolov established: each frontier must be secured with strongholds and road construction. The fortresses of Grozny, Sudden and Stormy began to be built. Between them, clearances were cut through, outposts were made. It did not do without fights. Although the losses were small - there were few troops in the Caucasus, but they were selected, professional fighters.

The forerunners of Yermolov inclined the mountain princes to take the oath in exchange for the officer and general's ranks, the high salary. If possible, they robbed and slaughtered the Russians, and then swore again, returning the same ranks. Yermolov stopped this practice. Violating the oath began to hang. The villages where the attacks came from brought punitive raids. But for the friendship of the door remained open. Yermolov formed detachments of Chechen, Dagestan, Kabardian militia. By the middle of 1820's, the situation seemed to stabilize. But to the incitement of war, except Turkey, England and France joined. To the mountaineers in large quantities were transferred money, weapons. Imam Kazi-Mohammed appeared, calling everyone to “Gazavat”.

And the Russian “advanced public” already in those times took the side of the enemies of its people. Metropolitan ladies and gentlemen read in English and French newspapers about the "Russian atrocities in the Caucasus." Not their relatives were killed, not their children were driven into slavery. They raised an outraged howl, and influenced the king. Yermolov was removed, the new administration received instructions to act "enlightenment". Although it has crossed all achievements. Again, terrible reports of burnt farms and villages began to fall. Chechens, led by Kazi-Mohammed, even destroyed Kizlyar, driving the population to the mountains. Here we realized. In 1832, the imam was besieged in the village of Gimry, Qazi-Muhammad and all his murids died. Only one escaped - Shamil, pretending to be dead.

He became a new leader, a talented organizer. It flared up everywhere - in the Kuban, in Kabarda, Chechnya, Dagestan. Russia sent reinforcements, deployed the Caucasian corps in the army. But it led to great losses. In thick columns bullets flew without a miss. And there was not enough of what Ermolov won - systematic and systematic. Separate operations became useless. Added and "policy". 17 June 1837 of Shamil was blocked in the village of Tilitl. He gave up. He took an oath, sent a son to Russia. And he was released on all four sides! The son of Shamil, by the way, met an excellent reception in Petersburg, he was determined to be an officer’s school. But his father gathered troops, the attacks resumed. By the way, the imam was by no means a disinterested “freedom fighter”, from all the highlanders he was one fifth of the spoils, he became one of the richest people of his time. The Turkish Sultan produced him into the “Generalissimuses of the Caucasus,” with English instructors acting under his command.

The Russian command was building fortresses along the Black Sea coast, preventing arms smuggling. Each step was given with incredible difficulty. In 1840, the Circassian masses poured into the seaside posts. The garrisons of the forts of Lazarevsky, Golovinsky, Veliyaminovsky, Nikolaev were killed. In the Mikhailovsky fortification, when almost all 500 defenders fell, ordinary Arkhip Osipov blew up a powder magazine. He became the first Russian soldier, forever enrolled in the lists of parts. And Shamil, having found a common language with the Dagestan leader Hadji Murad, launched an offensive on the eastern flank. In Dagestan, the garrisons died or were difficult to get out of the siege.

But gradually, new brilliant commanders were put forward. In the Kuban - the generals Grigori Khristoforovich Zass, Felix Antonovich Krukovsky, the "father" of the Black Sea army Nikolai Stepanovich Zavodovsky. "Legend of the Terek" was Nikolai Ivanovich Sleptsov. Cossacks did not mind the soul in it. When the Blind men rushed in front of them with the call: “On the horse, after me, Sunzha”, they rushed after him into the fire and into the water. And especially famous "Don Bogatyr" Yakov Petrovich Baklanov. He raised a real special forces from his Cossacks. He taught sniper shooting, the art of intelligence, used rocket batteries. He invented his special banner, black, with a skull and bones and the inscription “I look at the resurrection of the dead and the life of the next century. Amen". It terrified the enemies. No one could take Baklanov by surprise, on the contrary, he himself unexpectedly fell on the head of the Murids, ruined the rebellious villages.

In the middle of 1840, the new Commander-in-Chief, MS Vorontsov returned to the Ermolov plan of the “siege”. Two "extra" corps were withdrawn from the Caucasus. The abandoned troops led to clear cutting of forests, laying roads. Relying on the bases under construction, they struck the following blows. Shamil was driven further into the mountains. In 1852, when the clearing was cut on the river. Michick, he decided to give a big battle. Huge masses of cavalry descended on Baryatinsky's expedition between Goncal and Michik. But that was what suited the Russians! To the epicenter of the battle quickly came in time Cormorants. On the move, he deployed a rocket battery, made the installation himself, and 18 rockets crashed into clusters of enemies. And then the Cossacks and dragoons, headed by Baklanov, rushed to the attack, overthrew the army of Shamil, drove and hacked. The victory was complete.

The Crimean War gave a deferment to hostile tribes. The best Russian troops were transferred to the Crimea or to the Transcaucasus. And the British and the French and the Turks made plans: after defeating the Russians, to create a "caliphate" of Shamil in the Caucasus. Help flooded in a wide stream, the murids intensified. In November 1856, a gang of Kaplan Esizov broke through to the Stavropol region, carved out the entire adult population of the villages of Konstantinovskoye and Kugulty, and led the children into slavery. And yet, there has already been a turning point. Shamil suffered defeat. The mountaineers are fed up with endless war and the brutal dictatorship of the Imam. And the Russian command skillfully complemented diplomatic military measures. Attracted the Highlanders to their side, opposing the customary law of Dagestanis and Chechens to the Sharia law introduced by Shamil.

Almost all Dagestan has disappeared from it. Even the “leader number two” Hadji Murad, an undeservedly romanticized Tolstoy bandit, has spread to the Russians. He realized that it smelled like fried. Laid Shamil base, weapons depots, places of storage finance. Although he soon died in strange circumstances. Well, the end of the Crimean War was a sentence for the Murids. They were needed by the British and the French only as long as they were planning to dismember Russia. And the colossal losses sobered off the West. Nobody remembered about Shamil and his soldiers at peace conferences. For Europe, they now represented only propaganda value. Support has declined. And those whom the Imam raised for the war, it became clear - in the near future there was nothing to expect from the Western and Turkish allies.

The last attack on Shamil was led by Prince Alexander Ivanovich Baryatinsky and his assistant, Lieutenant-General Nikolai Ivanovich Evdokimov - the son of a simple soldier and a Cossack, who had tied up his whole life with the Caucasus. Shamil was pushed back into the highlands. The Chechen and Dagestan auls one after another pacified. Imam was angry, attacked them. But by doing so, he turned the highlanders into his natural enemies. In 1858, Mr. Yevdokimov took Shatoi by storm. Shamil took refuge in Vedeno. But Evdokimov also came here, the aul was captured. Imam went to Avaria. There he was overtaken by the expedition of General Wrangel. He managed to slip away into the village of Gunib, where he was besieged. Baryatinsky and Evdokimov arrived here. They offered to surrender on the conditions of free travel to Mecca. Shamil refused, was preparing for defense, forced to wear stones to strengthen even his wives and daughters-in-law. Then the Russians attacked, captured the first line of defense. Surrounded by the imam after the negotiations capitulated. September 8 Baryatinsky gave the order: “Shamil is taken, I congratulate the Caucasian army!”

Conquest of the Western Caucasus headed Evdokimov. The same systematic offensive unfolded as in Shamil. In 1860, tribal resistance was crushed along the Il, Ubin, Shebsha, and Afipsu rivers. Fortified lines were built, enclosing the "non-peaceful" areas with an almost closed ring. Attempts to prevent construction turned around for the attackers with serious losses. In 1862, detachments of soldiers and Cossacks advanced upward along White, Kurdipsu and Pshekha. The peaceful Circassians Evdokimov moved to the plain. They were not subjected to any harassment. On the contrary, they were provided with all possible benefits from normal business management, trade with the Russians.

At this time, another factor affected. Turkey conceived to create its own kind of Cossacks, bashi-bazouks. To settle in the Balkans among the subservient Christians, to keep them in obedience. And after the Crimean War, when the hope to break through to the Caucasus disappeared, a project to attract Circassians and Abkhazians to Bashibuzuki in Istanbul matured in Istanbul. Emissaries were sent to them, recruiting to move to Turkey. It was believed that they act in secret. But Evdokimov through his agents knew this very well. However, he did not hinder, but on the contrary, encouraged him. The most warlike, irreconcilable ones left - well, good riddance! The Russian posts closed their eyes when the caravans were moving to the Turkish borders or were loading ships, the troops were diverted from their route.

In 1863, on the post of commander-in-chief, Baryatinsky was replaced by the king's brother, Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich. He came not only to reap laurels. He and the commander were good. But his appointment was a psychological move. The highlanders were given to understand that now they could not resist. And to submit to the king's brother was far more honorable than the “simple” generals. The troops moved to the final assault. In January, 1864 suppressed the resistance of the Abadzekhs in the upper reaches of the Belaya and Laba and captured the Goytha Pass. In February, conquered shapsugs. And on June 2, Grand Duke Mikhail Nikolayevich took the oath of the Abkhaz in the Kbaad (Krasnaya Polyana) tract the day before. Held a solemn review of the troops, saluted. This was the end of the war.

Although I must say that the Russian liberal public still despised the conquerors of the Caucasus. Again pyzhilis adapt to the views of the West. Heroes ohayali. Evdokimov, who arrived in St. Petersburg to receive awards, metropolitan beau monde arranged obstruction. He was not invited to visit, left the routs where he appeared. However, this did not embarrass the general, he said that it was not their relatives who were slaughtered by mountain bandits. But when Evdokimov arrived in the Stavropol region, the residents organized a triumphal meeting for him, flocked from young to old, threw flowers. Well, they could be understood. Damocles sword of constant danger, which hung over the local edges, has disappeared. The south of the country has finally got an opportunity for peaceful development ...
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 13 June 2014 10: 01
    +2
    There is only one conclusion ... West ... constantly striving for the dismemberment of Russia ..
    1. albai
      albai 13 June 2014 10: 26
      +3
      And, if possible, by someone else's hands, and when it was completely impossible, they themselves perle and raked to the fullest. They probably need to be completely "degreased" and "depopulated", only then they will stop being worn by the "Western way of life."
  2. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 10: 11
    -1
    More than one century has passed, and nothing has changed, h ... ki, I can’t call them Caucasians, as is now customary, what they were and remain, they are still corrupt, they have no honor! Now payments are being made to the Caucasus, and if they end, will the Kadyrov cease to be Putin’s infantryman and start a war with Russia again? As they were all bandits and barbarians, they remained so! They are still afraid of strength, they do not fight one on one, they plug their tongue in .... and they are silent! That is, from the above it follows that h .... you can either win (but they will raise their heads sooner or later, the word is more suitable here to destroy !!!) or buy, but is this purchase too expensive ?! Not the Caucasus, the eternal cross of Russia, but the bandits calling themselves Caucasians, but in fact they are .... mi, here is a real cross! The only wrong decision of our ancestors is that it wasn’t necessary to negotiate with them, but to pay them with the same coin, destroy them as they do us!
    PS Don’t think that I’m a fascist, but I just can’t relate well to those who for so many centuries have been the worst enemy of our people, and still remain so, Lezginka and the heroes of Moscow shots in the city, this is not their custom, this is a challenge to all RUSSIAN to the people!
    1. 416D
      416D 13 June 2014 11: 54
      +4
      Afosha, you turned it down, your whole post is sheer nonsense. And the fact that Caucasians do not fight one on one - smiled.
  3. avilon
    avilon 13 June 2014 11: 09
    +2
    ! Huge time interval and only 3 lines.
    complete ignorance of material B, ripped pieces of history from geopolitical proportions to "fights" or clashes of an everyday nature. "
    a huge request to the author than to embrace the immensity would take "specific from the Caucasian wars"
  4. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 13 June 2014 11: 33
    0
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    More than one century has passed, and nothing has changed, h ... ki, I can’t call them Caucasians, as is now customary, what they were and still are, they are still corrupt, they have no honor! Now payments are being made to the Caucasus, and if they end, will the Kadyrov cease to be Putin’s infantryman and start a war with Russia again? As they were all bandits and barbarians, they remained so! They are still afraid of strength, they do not fight one on one, they plug their tongue in .... and they are silent!

    Another offended spoke.
  5. 416D
    416D 13 June 2014 11: 56
    -2
    Auto showed a one-sided and sometimes subjective view of the Russian-Caucasian wars. Article - minus
    1. dmb
      dmb 13 June 2014 14: 24
      +4
      I’m mostly skeptical of Shambarov’s writings, but if you disagree with the article, it’s worth bringing counter-arguments with references to serious sources.
      1. 416D
        416D 13 June 2014 15: 46
        0
        I will quote with pleasure, but please clarify first, what do you take for "serious sources"? Only the works of Russian historians?
        1. dmb
          dmb 13 June 2014 18: 10
          +2
          Not at all, because Shambarov, who often works on the Zykov’s website, and Svanidze, and many other kinds of riffraff, also consider themselves to be such. Only if foreign historians treat history as mentioned above, then you cannot call them serious either. By the way, I do not consider this Article of Shambarov even a subjective presentation of history, but you gave it an assessment, and it justifies it. so as not to be likened to the same Shambarov.
          1. 416D
            416D 14 June 2014 11: 17
            0
            Sorry, yesterday the hands did not reach the computer))) Now, if you have enough patience, look at the Caucasian wars from the other side.
            http://www.rulit.net/books/imam-shamil-read-40623-1.html
            1. dmb
              dmb 14 June 2014 18: 48
              +2
              As you quite rightly noted, the view is from the other side. And alas, he is as subjective as Shambarov's view. The book is a collection of legends intertwined with well-known historical facts and does not reflect the real history. To believe that a theocratic state is the crown of freedom, not to respect oneself, to blame the custom of bride kidnapping on the mythological Jason is not even an anecdote. Well, all sorts of "pranks" of the author such as the sale of free Chechens into slavery by the insidious conquerors will be left only counting on his wild imagination. But, the slavery of prisoners captured during the raids is a well-known fact, real even today. For all the subjectivity, the author, by no means, can refute objective things. The conquerors of the Caucasus did not encroach on faith, did not enslave them, did not stifle them with taxes as the local feudal lords did, and lowered the level of civil strife in the multinational Caucasus. They brought to the Caucasus knowledge that is not only about studying the Koran. Something like that. I am ready to continue the dialogue.
              1. 416D
                416D 14 June 2014 22: 31
                -1
                You know how a resident (for) of the Caucasus can lead a long discussion with you on this topic, but I don’t see the point in it. We all the same will not change our view of these historical events. If you look objectively, then the truth, as always, somewhere in the middle, you just need to read between the lines. If you simplify it completely, then Russia was building its empire, without the territory of the Caucasus, the empire would be inferior. That's all and spun, and still occasionally makes itself felt.
                1. dmb
                  dmb 14 June 2014 23: 46
                  +1
                  I actually did not dispute the construction of an empire by Russia. The whole question is in the form of construction. Agree that it was somewhat different from the construction of the British and even Austrian. Partly, the methods are similar to the German one, but there is actually one German nation. I understand your message about the Caucasus, but it is even less homogeneous than the North Caucasus. Agree that neither the Georgians nor the Armenians of Russia needed to win, they themselves asked. As for the principalities in the territory of modern Azerbaijan, which were in vassal dependence on Persia, this is a historical fact, as if it did not affect anyone's national identity. And now this fact really makes itself felt at times. Azerbaijan’s relations with Iran are more worthless than friendly.
                  1. 416D
                    416D 15 June 2014 00: 19
                    +1
                    Whatever the methods of building empires, all the same, the predominant methods of joining lands by force of arms, the destruction of the rebellious, the bribery or intimidation of the elite plus the gradual linguistic and cultural assimilation stretched for decades, or even more. All this was and is in the Caucasus.
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 June 2014 20: 33
          0
          416D "I will quote with pleasure, but please clarify first what do you take for" serious sources "? Only the works of Russian historians?"
          Ready to listen.)))) Have you reincarnated? I remember there was an Azerbaijani on the site under a similar nickname. If this is you, then I am glad to meet you.
          1. 416D
            416D 14 June 2014 11: 06
            0
            Good morning, last night there was no time to answer. No, this is not reincarnation, I recently on this site
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 14 June 2014 14: 50
              0
              416D "Good morning, there was no time to reply last night. No, this is not reincarnation, I am recently on this site."
              Thanks for the reply.
  6. freerider
    freerider 13 June 2014 12: 18
    +4
    Quote: Prapor Afonya

    PS Do not think that I am a fascist!
    laughing
  7. Asadali
    Asadali 13 June 2014 14: 29
    +2
    "The Chechens, led by Kazi-Mohammed, ruined even Kizlyar, driving the population into the mountains." (C)
    "Only one escaped - Shamil, who pretended to be dead." (C)
    "On June 17, 1837, Shamil was blocked in the village of Tilitl. He surrendered. He took the oath, sent his son to Russia. And he was released on all four sides!" (C)
    feel feel feel lol lol lol
    As they say, I'm losing weight laughing laughing laughing

    And Athos is not guilty of his opinion, if he draws his opinions from such sources. bully
    1. prishelec
      prishelec 13 June 2014 15: 19
      +2
      / Asadali / You are absolutely right!
  8. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 14: 48
    -2
    Quote: RuslanNN
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    More than one century has passed, and nothing has changed, h ... ki, I can’t call them Caucasians, as is now customary, what they were and still are, they are still corrupt, they have no honor! Now payments are being made to the Caucasus, and if they end, will the Kadyrov cease to be Putin’s infantryman and start a war with Russia again? As they were all bandits and barbarians, they remained so! They are still afraid of strength, they do not fight one on one, they plug their tongue in .... and they are silent!

    Another offended spoke.

    Offended by you, ram children, I wouldn’t have stuttered about you if I hadn’t seen you, in Mother Russia, you are too weak to offend the RUSSIAN, and we are too noble to sweep you out with a filthy broom! And what 416 az.ep wrote about one on one, you do not go one at a time, hairy daredevils!
    1. 416D
      416D 13 June 2014 15: 43
      -2
      Afoshka, why are you switching to insults? There are no normal reasons? You don't even see a Russian - usually on behalf of the Russians, the "other" shout so aggressively.
  9. prishelec
    prishelec 13 June 2014 15: 12
    -4
    quote: "In January 1810, at the Olginsky cordon, one and a half hundred Cossacks, led by Colonel Tikhovsky, took the blow of 8 thousand Circassians. They fought for 4 hours. When the cartridges ran out, they rushed into hand-to-hand combat."

    These are the children's fables tired laughing science fiction is straightforward, if you listen to serious respected historians, and not to such a regular vysser like this article in the Somsonov style, then there were always more Cossacks than Caucasians, in equal battle the Cossacks never defeated Caucasians, you know how many troops Yermolov had when he Gunib went to the besieged, the number of his troops was commensurate with the number of almost the entire Chechen people, like this, in equal battle the Caucasians were not and there are no equal, it is this fact that infuriates some, I respect the Caucasians and all the peoples of this country equally, but I I do not like!
    1. Sour
      Sour 13 June 2014 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: prishelec
      there were always more Cossacks than Caucasians,

      I do not know about what "serious and respected historians" you write, but in the Eastern Caucasus there have always been many fewer Cossacks than mountaineers. The Terek army, even in WWI, 60 years after the end of the Caucasian War, with full mobilization by 1917, fielded about 18 thousand combatant and non-combatant Cossacks, including officers and military officials. Just nothing and nothing more.
      The mountain population, despite large emigration to Turkey in the 19th century, was more numerous.
      In the Western Caucasus, it’s somewhat different, but even there the mass resettlement of Cossacks (mainly from Ukraine - the Danube, Bug, Azov, Yekaterinoslav, Poltava, Chernihiv Cossacks) began in the 40-50s of the 19th century, before the Crimean War, as well as a mass exodus Circassians to Turkey. Prior to this, the balance of power was in favor of the natives, and significantly.
      I will add that at the beginning of the 20th century in the Terek region, Russians (including non-Cossacks) accounted for 29%
      You are also careful with the facts, since you don’t like fairy tales.
      1. prishelec
        prishelec 13 June 2014 20: 12
        -2
        /Sour/

        I say that there were more Cossacks in battles, you understand, well, less than all the Caucasians in the place taken at that time, they certainly would have been strange! .. but in battle they always outnumbered fairytales like an example (150 Cossacks versus 8000 Circassians) is generally fabulous fables, this only happens in the cartoon))) it's just fictional fables, that's all!
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 June 2014 20: 28
          +1
          prishelec "an example (150 Cossacks against 8000 Circassians) is generally fabulous fables, this happens only in a cartoon))) these are just fictions, that's all!"
          The easiest way to explain everything is fiction. Arkhip Osipov also go fiction?)))
          1. prishelec
            prishelec 13 June 2014 20: 53
            +1
            / Nagaybak /

            The author’s inventions, but he wasn’t just a bit mistaken (but in reality there were 50 Cossacks, and 50 Circassians), will we fix it like that, right?))). When I first read this, I almost fell out of my chair laughing laughing .
    2. Sour
      Sour 13 June 2014 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: prishelec
      you know how many troops Yermolov had when he went to the besieged Gunib, the number of his troops was commensurate with the number of almost the entire Chechen people

      Throughout the Caucasus, from the Black to the Caspian Sea, a separate Caucasian Corps (19th and 20th Infantry Divisions), Don Cossack regiments (15th, 17th, 30th, 35th, 38th , 39th), plus local Cossacks and military settlers. Part of the regiments of the Corps was stationed in Georgia. Regiments from internal Russia were sometimes attached to the corps for 3-5 years.
      16 Russian soldiers, Cossacks and officers participated in the campaign against Gunib.
      Quote: prishelec
      You know how many troops Yermolov had when he went to the besieged Gunib

      At the time of the capture of Gunib, General Ermolov was retired for more than 30 years. There commanded Baryatinsky. Learn the story.
      1. prishelec
        prishelec 13 June 2014 20: 20
        +3
        /Sour/

        Then I confused, of course, during the capture of Gunib, A.I. Baryatinsky commanded, but everything was right about the troops, they outnumbered Shamil’s soldiers dozens of times!
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 June 2014 20: 41
          +3
          prishelec "Here I confused, of course, during the capture of Gunib, AI Baryatinsky commanded, but everything is correct about the troops, they outnumbered Shamil's soldiers dozens of times!"
          There were really not many Russian troops in the Caucasian War as in the conquest of Central Asia. I won’t go into it. The numbers are well-known, voiced, even the children are in cources. This is what I would like to say ... On the side of Russia, highlanders also spoke in the same way. Since in all the mountain peoples, let’s say about the Russian parties. If the peoples of the Caucasus all the way opposed the Russian Empire. That war would go on much longer.
    3. Glavmec
      Glavmec 13 June 2014 19: 24
      0
      Hello to you, "officer's daughter"! By the way, you are not very convincing! For example, my great-grandfather served in 13 L.-Gr. Erivansky E.V. regiment, and I KNOW EXACTLY THAT YOUR HIGHEST IS A LADY!
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 June 2014 20: 30
      0
      prishelec "Ermolov's troops when he went to the besieged Gunib, the number of his troops was commensurate with the number of almost the entire Chechen people, like this, in an equal battle there was no Caucasian and there is no equal, it is this fact that infuriates some, I respect both Caucasians and all peoples this country is the same, but I do not like fairy tales! "
      Are you serious about the Chechens in Gunib? For me, so there were mostly Avars.)))
      1. prishelec
        prishelec 13 June 2014 20: 57
        0
        / Nagaybak /

        And for me there were Avars and Chechens, but Chechens were the most devoted warriors of Shamil!
        1. Sour
          Sour 13 June 2014 21: 27
          +3
          but everything is true about the troops; they outnumbered Shamil’s soldiers dozens of times!

          Oh really??? Dozens?
          And why not hundreds? To lie like that - on a grand scale. Goebbels also taught this.
          If there was such an advantage, the war would have ended in two years. And even faster.
          Where will these "dozens of times" come from? Was the entire Russian Army at war there? Only the Separate Caucasian Corps fought, one of the 11 corps of the then army.
          Moreover, many of its parts were in Georgia, also on the Persian and Turkish borders.
          By the beginning of the 40s, the number of troops operating against the highlanders did not exceed 100 thousand (including Cossacks). For comparison, the same number of troops was sent to Hungary against local rebels in 1848-1849.
          To suppress the Polish uprising in 1830, 90 thousand were sent. In 1828, more than 200 thousand were sent against the Turks.
          --------
          Russia has long regarded the Caucasian War as secondary.
          Only by the 50s, the number of troops in the Caucasus was brought up to 250 thousand, which made it possible to end the war fairly quickly and without problems. Despite the fact that in parallel there was a war with the Anglo-Franco-Turkish coalition, much more serious and bloody than the Caucasian war. Parts of the Caucasian Corps simultaneously fought with the Turks and Highlanders on two fronts.
          1. prishelec
            prishelec 13 June 2014 22: 04
            +1
            /Sour/

            The fact is that the whole Chechen people also did not fight — which at that time did not even reach one hundred thousand!
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 14 June 2014 14: 58
              0
              prishelec "The fact is that the entire Chechen people did not fight either, which at that time did not even reach a hundred thousand!"
              Chechens fought for and against Russia. Like other Caucasian peoples. Someone supported, someone opposed. It was not all clear.
        2. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 14 June 2014 07: 16
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          prishelec "And for me there were both Avars and Chechens, but Chechens were Shamil's most loyal warriors!"
          Of course!))) Devotion to the skate of the Chechens.))) They were also loyal to the Russian Tsar.)))
          "On October 26, the commander of the 43rd Jaeger Regiment, Lieutenant Colonel Sarochan, with a detachment of 700 infantry, a small number of Cossacks, Chechen cavalry and 6 artillery pieces set out from the Grozny fortress in order to prevent the indignant Chechens from gaining a foothold in Khan-Kala, where they began great work They, up to 4 thousand people, met our troops, overturned OUR Chechen cavalry and mixed the Cossacks, and this success was the reason for their sensitive damage, for brazenly approaching the square of our infantry, they were subjected to grape-shot shots. ")))
          p. 416 Notes of A.P. Ermolova 1798-1826 Moscow "Higher School" 1991.
    5. Zaslavsky-S
      Zaslavsky-S 15 June 2014 11: 27
      0
      Let us suppose. And in an unequal battle? For example, 6 companies?
  10. Sour
    Sour 13 June 2014 15: 27
    +2
    Shambarov in his role. He took well-known facts, put them on paper and called it "historical research", and himself a "historian."
    I will not comment on the content of the article; there is nothing new in it. It seems to be that he writes almost everything correctly, but gives it as if on his own, but in fact retells other people's studies, even without reference to the source.
    I can only say that HISTORIAN - this is one who contributes to the historical science by publishing new facts, analyzing old facts, meaningful and significant conclusions from this analysis, proposing and substantiating new versions and hypotheses. You can leaf through all of Shambarov and find nothing close there. Nevertheless, there are enough people willing to call him a "historian".
    To have connections in book publishing, to be able to articulate long known facts - still does not mean to be a historian.
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 15: 36
    +1
    Quote: Asadali
    "The Chechens, led by Kazi-Mohammed, ruined even Kizlyar, driving the population into the mountains." (C)
    "Only one escaped - Shamil, who pretended to be dead." (C)
    "On June 17, 1837, Shamil was blocked in the village of Tilitl. He surrendered. He took the oath, sent his son to Russia. And he was released on all four sides!" (C)
    feel feel feel lol lol lol
    As they say, I'm losing weight laughing laughing laughing

    And Athos is not guilty of his opinion, if he draws his opinions from such sources. bully

    I do not draw my opinion from history, especially since its thread could have been lost for a long time! And of the events of recent and ongoing to this day, namely
    in the early 90s, the Russian (Slavic) population of Chechnya was almost completely destroyed, the Russians were killed, cut out when they tried to leave, they were escorted with posters "Russians do not leave, we need slaves and prostitutes!", after which the war broke out, in which considerable atrocities were committed against Russian soldiers, the war was 10 years ago, should the Russians already forget it ?, every Chechen is a Russian friend and brother? But the Russian army walked through the Caucasus, despite the bureaucrats' infidelity, a lot of this dirt was destroyed !!!
    I also rely on reports from the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the first quarter of 2014, where crimes in central Russia, persons of Caucasian (so-called) nationality and Asians from neighboring countries, increased by 30 percent, moreover, these are murders, rapes and robberies.
    Is this not enough for my position? If I want peace in my country, am I a fascist? And to be honest, I do not care about the opinion of my enemies, they are enemies and that they would hate me! laughing
    1. Resident007
      Resident007 13 June 2014 19: 06
      +3
      I agree with you, because of such "tolerasts" it happens that a Russian is a Nazi in his homeland if he knocks down the Kaukaztsu. And if on the contrary, then everyday life. And all these upstarts are minus just if they think so, then these same "friends" will soon cut off a firebrand for them ... Understand, there are geeks in all nations, but you have to create your own customs at home and respect the owners where you come. And the Caucasus, by and large, was conquered due to the fact that the raids on Russia were sooooo tangible and painful for the people. As the saying goes, the Russians endured, harnessed, and so they walked along all the green hills ... So that the hunt disappeared .. The only negative, the Russian warrior is a noble warrior, and these with ,,,, ki always shot in the back !!!
      1. avilon
        avilon 13 June 2014 19: 16
        +1
        And the Caucasus was conquered by and large due to the fact that the raids on Russia were sooooo very tangible and painful for the people.

        Chukchi Eskimos and other peoples probably also conquered for this reason?))
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      3. Asadali
        Asadali 13 June 2014 20: 39
        +2
        There is nothing right in this article, except for the facts of the beginning and end of the war.
        This is how the Ukrainian army is now hiding its losses and increasing the losses of militias, as has always been the case in the Caucasian War and the 1 and 2 Chechen events.
        Although I also do not completely agree with this, but still it gives some clarity, look - this video just covers some of the events mentioned in the article:

        There are other similar videos.
      4. Asadali
        Asadali 13 June 2014 20: 45
        +3
        "And the Caucasus, by and large, was conquered due to the fact that they made raids on Russia" (c) lol And so historians say they attacked the Caucasus due to the fact that they did not leave the Orthodox Georgians - with this I agree our salesmen made raids there. bully Although this was just an excuse. Or how and when it is profitable for you.
    2. Asadali
      Asadali 13 June 2014 20: 15
      +4
      Afonya isn’t here about 90 of the year. If everybody starts poking everyone, we will never have peace - this is first.
      Secondly, why not tell you why the 1 I Chechen began, how rulers and oligarchs behaved, who won from this.
      Thirdly, why aren’t you talking about 99 when in Dagestan the so-called Russians from helicopters and attack aircraft shot at their own soldiers and how our schoolchildren and grandmothers dragged Russian soldiers under fire and helped them (the soldiers gave tips to the bandits and shot them).
      So you can remember a lot of things, but is it necessary? You are talking about the Tolerasts, then who will the Chechens be who force themselves to forget the 1 and 2 Chechen events.
      Regarding the crimes committed by Caucasians, there must be inevitability of punishment and look at this article and draw the right conclusions why this happens:
      http://kavkazpress.ru/archives/35832
      http://kavkazpress.ru/archives/48970
  12. nomad74
    nomad74 13 June 2014 16: 54
    +2
    Too much is missing from the article, covering such a large period with such a small article is not serious! The story is shared. And it is unpleasant that national chauvinism is manifested! Comrades, let us respect each other! And then somehow it is at least solid!
  13. carbofo
    carbofo 13 June 2014 17: 34
    -1
    At least something adequate has appeared, although briefly stated.
    And then verbiage about anything, tire.
  14. uizik
    uizik 13 June 2014 19: 11
    +2
    The mountaineers forgot the glorious victories of the Russian soldier! Memory is weak or strong craving for money.
  15. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 20: 01
    +2
    Quote: Resident007
    I agree with you, because of such "tolerasts" it happens that a Russian is a Nazi in his homeland if he knocks down the Kaukaztsu. And if on the contrary, then everyday life. And all these upstarts are minus just if they think so, then these same "friends" will soon cut off a firebrand for them ... Understand, there are geeks in all nations, but you have to create your own customs at home and respect the owners where you come. And the Caucasus, by and large, was conquered due to the fact that the raids on Russia were sooooo tangible and painful for the people. As the saying goes, the Russians endured, harnessed, and so they walked along all the green hills ... So that the hunt disappeared .. The only negative, the Russian warrior is a noble warrior, and these with ,,,, ki always shot in the back !!!

    Thank you, otherwise I thought that on the Russian, I would even say RUSSIAN patriotic site, some people are sitting ... It seems that those Russians who minus me in another Russia live!
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 June 2014 20: 45
      0
      Prapor Afonya "It seems that those Russians who minus me live in another Russia!"
      Do you think the Russians minus you?
    2. prishelec
      prishelec 13 June 2014 21: 10
      0
      / Prapor + Athos /

      If you call Caucasians h..mi, then I will allow myself to call you hryshka, and stop squealing like a slop pig here, we all see bandits of all stripes in all regions and among all peoples, so whose cow would moo!
  16. Asadali
    Asadali 13 June 2014 20: 52
    +4
    More or less plausibly written in the book of Shapi Kaziev "Imam Shamil", there is a good bibliography, and more correctly written in the book of Sheikh Muhammad Tahir al-Karahi.

    Biography of Muhammad Tahir from Karakh (1809 – 1882)

    Muhammad-Tahir, the son of Khuchalav al-Tsuld al-Karahi, was born in the village of Tsulda of the Karakh society (now the Charodinsky district) in the 1809 year. Historians write that his real name was Mahamatilov, and Imam Shamil gave him the name Muhammad-Tahir. Under this name he knows the whole Muslim world and Russia.

    In the first half of the 19th century, he received, like all mutaalim, a brilliant Islamic education, studied with Kurban-Muhammad from Korod, Mustafa from Angid, Hajidibir from Gunukh, Muhammadamin from Gidatl and other theologians. He gained recognized knowledge of Islamic law, tafsir, hadith, grammar of the Arabic language, philosophy, logic and poetry. At the end of his studies, he worked as a cadmium in the village of Tlyarosh. Then, from 1850, he worked as secretary of Imam Shamil. At one time, the imam appointed him mufti of the imamate.

    Judging by the written inheritance left by Muhammad-Tahir, we can say that he was one of the most fruitful scientists working at that time. His work “Barikatu suyuf al-jabaliyya fi bad al-ghazavat al-Shamiliyya” (“Glitter of mountain sabers in some Shamilevskiy gazavaty”) is the most objective and complete information about the Caucasian War. This is a more complete essay on the life and work of Imam Shamil from 1830 to the beginning of 1870's. The book was completed in 1872, but was not published in the form in which the author wrote it.

    The son of Muhammad-Tahir Khabibull, at the request of Muhammad-Mirza Mavraev, made some reductions in order to obtain permission from royal censorship, but this option could not be published. And in content it is a chronicle of the Shamil battles and the activities of the imamat. The book was widely distributed not only in Dagestan, but also in the Caucasus, Turkey, Egypt and other Arab countries. Later, parts of the chronicle were nevertheless translated into Russian by researchers Barabanov and Krachkovsky and published after the 90's under the title “Shine of Dagestan Checkers”.

    In addition, Muhammad-Tahir from Karakh left a rich legacy in Islamic law, grammar and theology. His personal library has also been preserved.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 14 June 2014 15: 01
      0
      Asadali "More or less plausibly written in Shapi Kaziev's book" Imam Shamil ", there is a good bibliography, and more correctly written in the book of Sheikh Muhammad Tahir al-Karahi."
      Just let’s not arrange a cult of your authors then.))) Otherwise, our sources are not good, and yours are just a light in the window.)))
      1. Asadali
        Asadali 14 June 2014 17: 49
        +1
        Nagaybek, so that there would be no such disputes, I first put a clip from "yours", which just touches on the topic of the article.
        About the book by Shapi Kaziev - I specifically indicated that you would look at the bibliography.
        And so there are many books, such as from "yours and ours", but I personally fully accept the book from Muhammad-Tahir from Karakh, tk. he was a clerk for the Imam.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 14 June 2014 20: 09
          0
          Asadali "And so there are many books, such as" yours and ours ", but I personally fully accept the book from Muhammad-Tahir from Karakh, because he was a clerk for the Imam."
          And I treat the memories of participants in the events with caution. I remember here. I don’t remember there.))) People are interested. Although I quoted from Yermolov’s memoirs, before that I shoveled a bunch of everything in order to draw up my own view, for example, on the Caucasian war. From the memoirs of Russian officers and scientific works of Russian scientists to say Khavzhoko Shaukat Mufti or Teofil Lapinsky the so-called (Teffik Bey.)))
  17. Asadali
    Asadali 13 June 2014 21: 16
    +2
    If someone wants to think that one company of supermen and captain America fought against the millions of Caucasian barbarians and savages and will grow above themselves, then please, but history is history. If I say that I’m a complete asshole and bad people, then from this they will not become such, because then Russians are really great people, and vice versa, for example, if Afonya and the like say that we are savages and cowards, will we become such from this.
    So, as the cat Leopold used to say: "Guys! Let's live together" and there is no need to raise provocative questions. This does not lead to good, and personally I cannot consider this a patriot of the Motherland. Peace to the world!
  18. Asadali
    Asadali 13 June 2014 21: 19
    0
    "that I am complete" (c) Whoever changed my comment is the real one, whoever he is.
    Answer essentially that you do not like, but do not change comments.
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    1. Asadali
      Asadali 13 June 2014 21: 30
      +2
      And Athos there too winked
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 13 June 2014 21: 42
        0
        Quote: Asadali
        And Athos there too winked

        then still agree that lovers from the mountains go down to fool around ?! lol
        1. Asadali
          Asadali 13 June 2014 22: 47
          0
          Nope. I just didn’t like the article, which is similar to the Gromodsky TV. smile
          1. twviewer
            twviewer 13 June 2014 22: 53
            0
            well, it’s nice, for a bicentennial war, they didn’t shout so much, that's what civilization does.
            I wanted to post the Terek teaser, now I won’t ... getting old laughing
            1. Asadali
              Asadali 13 June 2014 23: 01
              +1
              We need to rally, but we have enough teasers. laughing
              1. twviewer
                twviewer 13 June 2014 23: 07
                0
                Quote: Asadali
                We need to rally, but we have enough teasers. laughing

                that's for sure
  20. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 21: 58
    0
    Quote: Asadali
    And Athos there too winked

    Of course I was there too, you would be glad that we Slavs Slavs shot!
    1. Asadali
      Asadali 13 June 2014 22: 44
      0
      Athos honestly is not happy. I just don’t like it when some people start to bend on a national theme. I lived for several years in another region of Russia. These were the times after the beginning of the 2 Chechen one and basically they also treated me with caution, and when they got used to it, they themselves asked me not to leave. Other fellow countrymen stayed there. The locals also respect them, not in the sense that they are cool, but in the sense that they are decent - this was said for example. And as they say, the family has its black sheep and it’s not necessary to generalize when someone did a bad thing. If you want to know our opinion, then sometimes go to the Kavkazpress website.
  21. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 13 June 2014 22: 35
    -1
    Quote: Asadali
    Afonya isn’t here about 90 of the year. If everybody starts poking everyone, we will never have peace - this is first.
    Secondly, why not tell you why the 1 I Chechen began, how rulers and oligarchs behaved, who won from this.
    Thirdly, why aren’t you talking about 99 when in Dagestan the so-called Russians from helicopters and attack aircraft shot at their own soldiers and how our schoolchildren and grandmothers dragged Russian soldiers under fire and helped them (the soldiers gave tips to the bandits and shot them).
    So you can remember a lot of things, but is it necessary? You are talking about the Tolerasts, then who will the Chechens be who force themselves to forget the 1 and 2 Chechen events.
    Regarding the crimes committed by Caucasians, there must be inevitability of punishment and look at this article and draw the right conclusions why this happens:
    http://kavkazpress.ru/archives/35832
    http://kavkazpress.ru/archives/48970

    So you consider it normal that in Chechnya almost the entire Russian population was destroyed and this could not at all be an occasion for war! And I think that the war should have started 3 years earlier! So it’s normal that when you come to the city the hero of Moscow and behave like barbarians! So it’s normal that ethnic crime has increased in Russia, at your expense! So I'm a fascist, but the events in Butovo were not at all a litmus test of the Russian population of Moscow! Something you have a short memory, the world wanted the world, but modern rulers brought us into a forced world, only the region of Russia continues to work, so that the money swells into the Caucasus! This conversation is about nothing, and there will be no general opinion, only you continue to occupy the territories of Orthodox Russia and this is not liked not only by me, but by the majority of the RUSSIAN people!
    1. Asadali
      Asadali 13 June 2014 22: 58
      0
      "So you consider it normal that almost the entire population of Russians was destroyed in Chechnya and this could not at all be a reason for war!" (C) Nope, I absolutely do not.

      "And I believe that the war should have started 3 years earlier!" (C) I agree in part. It was necessary to eliminate the bandits at once, and not start a war.

      "So it's okay that when you come to the city the hero is Moscow and behave like barbarians!" (c) This pisses me off. Me and my friends and many others do not behave like that.

      Much more question one more. In our country, too, only a few regions are donors, and they swell the rest.

      And when people come to us from other regions, we don’t think something is occupation of the territory.

      A Caucasian war than it was, if not occupation.

      Afonya, where I work, many Russians work and we did not see such a problem.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 14 June 2014 15: 10
        +1
        Asadali "" So it's okay that when you come to the city the hero of Moscow and behave like barbarians! "(C) This infuriates me. Me and my friends and many others do not behave like that."
        People are different everywhere. There are enough ushlepkov among your fellow countrymen. And among other peoples. Of your countrymen, some normal words do not understand at all. This is apparently from the auls guys.))) I myself came across.))) Therefore, people are judged by an aggressive minority.
        1. Asadali
          Asadali 14 June 2014 17: 42
          0
          laughing laughing laughing Yes, I’m also aulsky, but unlike some I don’t behave like that, and acquaintances wink
          And I saw such people, I made remarks to them, so to speak, "lectures on the topic of" ethics "read, it seems they understood a mistake. This is like a young man and wants to show himself, but not correctly.
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  23. padonok.71
    padonok.71 14 June 2014 23: 03
    -3
    Quote: RuslanNN
    Another offended spoke.

    Offended by the fact that the devils didn’t crush you to the end, and here, savages, unwashed people let you in. A thieves hints in prison leave. Or, in your villages, use the bot if you don’t have your own language / written language.
  24. Asadali
    Asadali 14 June 2014 23: 36
    +2
    laughing Yesterday, the site administrator corrected me right away, preventing me from adding comments. And he admits some scum. I will not justify myself to anyone. And I repeat that I am glad that I am from my village, region, Dagestan and, finally, Russia. I never, and once again never nobody called the devil in the face and the occasion itself also did not give. And the site I thought was really patriotic, but not .... I think I need to make my legs out of here, something the site disappoints me.
  25. Asadali
    Asadali 14 June 2014 23: 45
    +2
    I am addressing the real Russian visitors of this site on my own behalf. Everyone whom you considered your brothers Slavs or brothers in religion, which of them stayed with you (for example, Ukraine, which the Slavic brothers are smashing to smithereens our embassy or Georgia, which you defended your time and, just the same reason for the beginning of the Caucasian war was protection from raids on Georgia from the Dagestanis), except for us, which some individuals call "churks", who is left? Who has not betrayed you yet? So draw your conclusions.

    This is how they want to divide us, and some succumb to the fact that our "huge TV" also works well.
  26. Asadali
    Asadali 14 June 2014 23: 58
    +2
    Lukashenko told how the "Caucasian problem" was solved in Belarus

    MINSK, October 11. In Belarus there is no special agency dealing with the problems of interethnic conflicts, because of their absence. This was announced at a press conference in Minsk by President of the country Alexander Lukashenko.

    “I always say: the Republic of Belarus is a country where there are no inter-confessional and interethnic disputes and strife. This is our greatest achievement. I don’t remember a case when someone fought with someone,” Lukashenko assured Russian journalists.

    He recalled that once upon a time there were conflicts in the Belarusian markets, there were complaints that "people of Caucasian nationality behave badly." According to him, a Chechen once worked in the Security Service of the President of Belarus, who, in connection with the outbreak of the war in Chechnya, decided to leave the service so that Lukashenka would not have any problems, but promised to "do good" if the head of the republic needs his services. Lukashenko ordered to find his former security guard and instructed him to solve the problem of conflicts with Caucasians in the markets, and he quickly coped with this task - in a week, reports REGNUM.

    "Since then, I have not heard a single complaint. Later they told me - he figured out through his channels that they had become the most polite and knew where they were. Well, I later asked:" What did he say there? " : "Do you know the president? You know. You know me too - I'm his man. If the president waves, not only hats, no one will have a head left. Got it? Understood. Work honestly, "Lukashenko said, noting that this episode may refer not to the Chechens, but to the Azerbaijanis who dominate trade in the Belarusian markets.

    He added that in In Belarus, the concept of "a person of Caucasian nationality" does not exist.





    Conclusion: the inevitability of punishment regardless of nationality, race, etc. and the national question will disappear.
  27. ffylh
    ffylh 15 June 2014 09: 13
    0
    Prapor Afonya, I read comments on your posts, it feels like you are being heavily criticized, those who hung around at the headquarters in Khankala, or these are just regular liberals! Those who really ran through the mountains, were familiar with the life and life of the highlanders support you! Highlanders understand only POWER!
    1. prishelec
      prishelec 15 June 2014 14: 17
      -1
      / ffylh / quote: "Highlanders understand only POWER!"

      Mndaa ... especially if our forces surpass theirs ten times, then we are eagles of course! .., in general, we are all very lucky that there were always so few of them, and we are certainly masters to write arrogant phrases!
  28. The fat man
    The fat man 15 June 2014 10: 39
    0
    what was the history of the Caucasus fact remains fact
    Russia owns the Caucasus at the moment

    As for my personal opinion, given the anti-Caucasian mood in Russia or vice versa. it would be calmer to build a huge wall for the Russian taxpayers from the Caspian to the Black Sea. I think you (Russian) would be much calmer. But alas, you do not do this for some reason. are Caucasians really to blame for this if the Russians lack the political will to do so
  29. padonok.71
    padonok.71 16 June 2014 18: 56
    -1
    Quote: Asadali
    Yesterday, the site administrator corrected me right away, preventing me from adding comments. And he admits some scum. I will not justify myself to anyone. And I repeat that I am glad that I am from my village, region, Dagestan and, finally, Russia. I never, and once again never nobody called the devil in the face and the occasion itself also did not give. And the site I thought was really patriotic, but not .... I think I need to make my legs out of here, something the site disappoints me.


    Quote: Asadali
    I am addressing the real Russian visitors of this site on my own behalf. Everyone whom you considered your brothers Slavs or brothers in religion, which of them stayed with you (for example, Ukraine, which the Slavic brothers are smashing to smithereens our embassy or Georgia, which you defended your time and, just the same reason for the beginning of the Caucasian war was protection from raids on Georgia from the Dagestanis), except for us, which some individuals call "churks", who is left? Who has not betrayed you yet? So draw your conclusions.

    Decide, my friend, either you are with us or against us. That you are glad to incontinence that you are from Russia, the embassy yoursbut neither our.
    And about the devils, you know very well who it is. I have a neighbor, an Armenian, he saved my mother’s life, and he’s not the devil in any case. It will always be necessary to help him. Or, for example, the Dagestan warriors of Allah, who were hiding behind the backs of the Russian soldiers, when their Czechs bent and shot at the same backs, when they repulsed Nokhchi, and fled to the courts when they gave Russes an otter in response, damn it. Do not remember my friend? So in the year 99-2000.
    And the fact that you responded to it says a lot.
    1. Asadali
      Asadali 19 June 2014 15: 21
      -1
      1. I didn’t like your comment above.
      2. Ours and yours, if I paid attention, are in quotation marks and I mean that ours are Caucasian authors who may be interested in writing and focusing, in their opinion and in their understanding, on the events of the "Caucasian War", and yours - on the contrary ... And I did not start about our-your authors, if you read carefully.
      3. I am happy for Russia, and not for the Nazis, who consider us to be lumps no matter what.
      4. I don’t pull the devil for the devil and the family is not without freaks.
      5.
      Quote: padonok.71
      Or, for example, the Dagestan warriors of Allah, who were hiding behind the backs of Russian soldiers, when their Czechs bent and shot at the same backs, when they repulsed Nokhchi, and fled to the courts when they gave Russes an otter in response, damn it. Do not remember my friend? A year like that in 99-2000.
      And the fact that you responded to it says a lot.

      This I did not particularly understand. Regarding the 99-00 militias, I am one of them and what you described here did not see or hear, but on the contrary, the militias were at the forefront, then our police, and only then the army. Regarding who shot whom, I commented on this topic and in others, so I don’t want to repeat myself.
      6. I’m not your friend, my friend in your house or in the yard.
      7. "Offended that you are devils, they did not let them crush you to the end, and they let you here, you savages, unwashed ones." (C).
      The admin didn’t call me with similar words, he didn’t even give an example, changing my comment immediately and calling me an asshole in the same place.
  30. ffylh
    ffylh 16 June 2014 21: 52
    +1
    In September-October 1999, they went through Khasik to Chechnya, the Dagis fled from the Nokhchi. Then I did not see next to me the soldiers of Allah from Dagestan !!
  31. padonok.71
    padonok.71 17 June 2014 08: 13
    -1
    Quote: ffylh
    In September-October 1999, they went through Khasik to Chechnya, the Dagis fled from the Nokhchi. Then I did not see next to me the soldiers of Allah from Dagestan !!

    Yes, no, the locals came and shouted: "Give me weapons, we will cut Nokhchi!" Inside, even some kind of operetta detachments of them cobbled together, which then began to cut among themselves. When they began to seize them back, they fired at the inner tubes, but without losses (from our side). They even received some medals later.
    But I didn’t particularly go into it - there was no shortage of my affairs. Well, you know.
    1. Asadali
      Asadali 19 June 2014 15: 46
      +1
      Answer ffylh and padonok.71



      and the most interesting
  32. 69zzzzzz
    69zzzzzz 17 June 2014 16: 25
    +3
    . 150 years have passed and nothing has changed. We come to the capital - they hate us. We sit at home and do not touch anyone, they still hate. And they hate not only us, but almost everyone and everything. There are some misanthropes.
    Maybe these quotes will give reason to think about what is happening. Delve into yourself. After all, 150 years ago, Caucasians in Moscow did not dance a lezginka, they didn’t go to war with Russia in the war. And just the opposite.

    General Sleptsov, 1844:
    “What right do these savages live on such a beautiful land? With the finger of the Lord of the worlds, our August Emperor ordered us to destroy their villages, all men who can carry weapons, destroy crops, and cut pregnant women to cut their bellies so that they do not give birth to bandits .... "

    General Tsitsianov, "Conquered Caucasus", 1804:
    “I will destroy you all from the face of the earth, I will go with flame and burn everything that I can’t borrow with troops; I’ll cover the earth of your region with your blood and it will turn red, but you, like hares, will go to the gorges, and I will get you there, and if you don’t get it from the sword, then you will die from the cold ... ”

    Griboedov, who was in Velyaminov’s detachment, in 1825 in a letter to Begichev:
    “The name of Yermolov is still terrifying; God forbid that this charm is destroyed ... We will hang and forgive and spit on the story. "
    1. prishelec
      prishelec 18 June 2014 17: 44
      +1
      / 69zzzzzz /

      Some Russians write disgusting things about Caucasians, such as Athos, scum, etc. such Russians, unfortunately, are not few, they are stupid degenerates who think about everything one-sided or ideological scumbags pursuing their own rotten specific goals, and in the Caucasians YouTube there are just such Russian scumbags. Know that not Tatar is not Chuvash, not Yakut is not Chukchi, etc. no one writes about Caucasians all sorts of fables and nastiness, because we see everything perfectly and know what, who, how much, where and what crime they commit, it is the Russians who commit the crime most of all, and those who even did not dream of a Caucasian in our Republic the Russians commit a grave and especially grave crime, I don’t remember the last time a Caucasian man committed a particularly grave crime with us, Russians, regardless of gender, can drive their mother out of the house in winter, a Russian kills a man with a bottle of vodka, a Russian cuts his wife or mother into pieces, there were cases when lonely Russian old women lured girls to kill and eat them, Russian youth drink obscenities, are rude to passers-by, especially at night, some Russian teenagers kill and cut off homeless people, Russian women can throw their child as a waste in a landfill or leave at the entrance in winter or bury in the garden, Russian kills a WWII veteran for a few medals, Russians us children are pissed off - it’s just a classic among them, as we all know, Russian criminal groups and individuals commit a grave and not grave crime of all stripes of all kinds in the open spaces of all Russia, etc.! And why in Russia when some Russian Caucasian citizen of Russia rarely commits a murder — which Russians commit every day, hold direct (SHOW) rallies rallies, etc. in a place to immediately take him into custody and judge by law! If when a Russian kills someone to arrange a rally, then our country will turn into a continuous huge endless rally, from the south to the Arctic, and from the west to the far east! Why did I write this, I have nothing against the Russians, half of my relatives are Russians, but I’m tired of not only me, those who always blame the Caucasians without seeing themselves, but there were wars and many Russians suffered, and Caucasians suffered even more, but we live in one country and will live on, but some outright scumbags always one-sidedly remind us of this that everyone already knows, forever separating us from each other, not letting us feel united, time will pass and everything will be settled if these people don’t they will interfere not intentionally or maybe on purpose, the sooner this happens the better for all of us. let these people look in the mirror first and think carefully before saying something about Caucasians!

      When some Russian speaks that the Caucasian is behaving badly, I just feel funny and sad at the same time, and who does not behave badly ?!
  33. 69zzzzzz
    69zzzzzz 17 June 2014 16: 26
    +2
    Decembrist Lorer:
    “In a conversation with Zass, I noticed to him,” he wrote, “that I do not like his system of war, and he answered me at the same time:“ Russia wants to conquer the Caucasus no matter what the cost. With peoples, our enemies, what to take if not fear and a thunderstorm? .. Philanthropy is not suitable here, and Ermolov, hanging mercilessly, robbing and burning auls, was only in time more than ours. ”

    General Bulgakov, 1810, report on the results of the campaign in Kabarda:
    “Until now, the Kabardian people never had such a loss ... They lost a lot of property that was burned with two hundred villages.”

    Nicholas I - Count Paskevich (1829, after the end of the Russian-Turkish war):
    “Having thus finished one glorious thing, you will have another, just as glorious in my eyes, and much more important in the discussion of direct benefits — the pacification of the mountain peoples forever or the extermination of the rebellious.”

    Pushkin, 1829, "Journey to Arzrum":
    “We drove them out of the free pastures; their villages were devastated, entire tribes destroyed. ”

    General Tsitsianov, 1804, "To the Owners of the Kabardian ...":
    “The blood in me is boiling, like in a cauldron, and the members all in me are shaking from greed to give your land the blood of disobedient people ... wait, I tell you, by my rule, bayonets, cores and the shedding of your blood by rivers. "Not muddy water will flow in your rivers, but red, your families are dyed with blood."

    Fonville, "The Last Year of the Circassian War of Independence, 1863-1864":
    “From all the places successively occupied by Russians, the inhabitants of the auls fled, and their hungry parties crossed the country in different directions, scattering the sick and dying in their paths; sometimes whole crowds of immigrants froze or drifted with snowstorms, and we often noticed, passing, their bloody tracks. “Wolves and bears raked snow and dug out human corpses from under it.”

    Berger, “Eviction of Highlanders from the Caucasus”:
    “We could not retreat from the business we had begun just because the Circassians did not want to submit. It was necessary to exterminate the Circassians in half to force the other half to lay down their arms. The plan proposed by Count Evdokimov for an irrevocable end to the Caucasian war by destroying the enemy is remarkable for its deep political thought and practical fidelity ... ”

    Venyukov, “Caucasian Memoirs (1861-1863)”:
    “The war was fought with inexorable merciless severity. We advanced step by step, but irrevocably, and cleared the land of the mountaineers to the last man. Mountain villages were burned in hundreds, crops were etched by horses or even trampled down. The population of the villages, if it was possible to take him by surprise, was immediately taken under military escort to the nearest villages, and from there they went from the shores of the Black Sea and further to Turkey ... The villages of the Abadzekhs on Fars burned for three days, filling the bitter space of versts for 30. Relocation was extremely successful ... "
  34. padonok.71
    padonok.71 17 June 2014 19: 45
    -3
    Quote: 69zzzzzz
    .
    General Sleptsov, 1844:
    “What right do these savages live on such a beautiful land? With the finger of the Lord of the worlds, our August Emperor ordered us to destroy their villages, all men who can carry weapons, destroy crops, and cut pregnant women to cut their bellies so that they do not give birth to bandits .... "

    General Tsitsianov, "Conquered Caucasus", 1804:
    “I will destroy you all from the face of the earth, I will go with flame and burn everything that I can’t borrow with troops; I’ll cover the earth of your region with your blood and it will turn red, but you, like hares, will go to the gorges, and I will get you there, and if you don’t get it from the sword, then you will die from the cold ... ”

    Griboedov, who was in Velyaminov’s detachment, in 1825 in a letter to Begichev:
    “The name of Yermolov is still terrifying; God forbid that this charm is destroyed ... We will hang and forgive and spit on the story. "

    Oh what words! Balm! That ancestors were able to solve problems!
    1. 69zzzzzz
      69zzzzzz 18 June 2014 09: 46
      +2
      "There is no man who is like the Island,

      in itself, each person is part of the Mainland, part of Sushi;

      and if the Wave blows the cliff into the sea,

      Europe will become smaller

      and also if they wash away the edge of the Cape and destroy

      Thy castle and thy friend;

      the death of every Man belittles me too

      for I am one with all of Humanity

      therefore, never ask for whom the Bell tolls;

      he calls for You. "
      This is written for people like you, but alas, it seems to me that you are not able to understand this message.