BPDM Typhoon M Fighting anti-sabotage vehicle

The combat anti-sabotage vehicle BPDM Typhoon-M (index 15Ц56М) was created on the basis of the BTR-82 and is designed to protect mobile missile systems and subunits of the Strategic Missile Forces. Developers were NPO "Strela" and LLC "MIC". The first copy in 2013 year entered the Serpukhov branch of the Military Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces named after Peter the Great.

On May 21, in Serpukhov, practical training was held with the servicemen of the Strategic Missile Forces units to protect missile systems, conduct reconnaissance and combat sabotage and reconnaissance groups using an anti-sabotage machine. Worked out the actions of the calculation of BPDM on the exploration of terrain and objects in a positional area, the detection and determination of the coordinates of single targets and transport and the repelling of the DRG attack on the machine.

During the visit, I tried to photograph the car as thoroughly as possible, especially inside. Unfortunately, the UAV was on scheduled maintenance at the factory, so it was not possible to fully see all the capabilities of the machine.

The first copy of the BPDM Typhoon-M (The first serial BPDM Typhoon-M vehicle)

A remotely controlled weapon module is installed on the roof, then a radar mast with optical-electronic systems, and an extreme storage box for a set of UAVs is installed. (Notice weapon station with UAV box)

Detailing on the sides (Side datails)

UAV box kit (UAV box)

Mast radar and ECO (Radar tower)

DUBM (Weapon station)

Left side (Left side)

Remotely controlled combat module with a PKT machine gun (Weapon station with PKT machine gun)

General view of the roof of the car (Top view)

General view of the places of the driver and commander (View of driver and commander places)

Driver's Place

The green box contains a portable finder of explosive devices for explosive devices. NR-900 EK (NR-900 EK non-linear junction detector)

The commander’s position also has a radar control panel, which allows all functions of the radar operator to be performed (Commander’s place also has a radar control panel)

Day-night active-pulse commander device TKN-AI (TKN-AI commander sight)

Various communications and navigation equipment installed at the commander’s site (Various signal and navigation devices mounted near the commander)

Portable receiver GLONASS / GPS 14Ц821 Grot-V (14Ts821 Grot-V GLONASS / GPS navigator)

Gunner's Place

Monitor and remote control DUBM (Weapon station control panel)

Specially shot without a flash so that you can read the functions of the buttons on the monitor

Radar operator's position and remote control in folded state (Radar operator's place with folded radar control panel)

The radar control panel in working condition (Radar control panel)

Places for UAV operators (UAV operator's place)

BPDM Typhoon-M in motion (BPDM Typhoon-M in action)

Comments

[Strashila]

Given the specificity of the machine, they could also use the UNSH as a chassis, then many elements could appear inside the case.

[ICT]

THE TYPE OF THIS ON VIDEO MORE APPROACHED, the same gelding, prado at the end, then

[cosmos111]

an article on this topic was already on VO on September 3, 2013, and was called "Typhoon-M anti-sabotage combat vehicle"
the best koment on this topic, wrote Lopatov (sorry for a long time on the site not to see)))
here from here: http: //topwar.ru/32796-boevaya-protivodiversionnaya-mashina-tayfun-

m.html

I quote the whole, it’s better not to write on this topic !!!!!

Quote: dirty trick

Dear, what are the "threats of saboteurs on the march"? Do you even realize what, in fact, needs to be protected? One shot at the TPK missile, and that's it, the combat mission failed.
And therefore it is not necessary to "detect threats" here, but to completely control the route.

Here I am, for example, the father-commander who performs this task. What do i need?

* Of course in your own KSM.

* In stations of optical and radar reconnaissance, which have a normal mast to increase the view and the ability to work from the offset. Regarding your statement about "saboteurs still cannot be found at long distances," I inform you: an old Soviet PSNR-5 detects a moving person without equipment (a target of the "mushroom picker" type) at a distance of 4 km. The thermal imager is also a very good thing in this respect. In addition, it is desirable to have optical detection equipment.
And you know what's interesting? Such a machine in terms of equipment will not be any different from the reconnaissance of the new BRM and the artillerymen of the new PRP.

* UAVs. I do not need them to "look around the corner", I need them constantly hanging in the sky, so there should be at least two of them. Each with their own car to pick them up. Each with its own operator, who will exclusively control the device and the information received from it.
And interestingly, such vehicles will not differ in composition from those required by the troops. * Patrol vehicles. Which will carry my main striking power, people. Which will have normal protection, including mine, normal weapons (stabilized, and capable of operating at adequate ranges, because saboteurs will definitely have anti-material rifles) equipped with normal detection tools, capable of acting as repeaters for walking groups. Also, they should have sets of sensors: seismic and others, and equipment for receiving data from them and relaying to the CP
And interestingly, such vehicles will not be any different from the reconnaissance of new BRDM.

And now tell me, what function of those necessary for me will this cross between a snake and a hedgehog called "Typhoon-U" perform? What is it, in fact, anti-sabotage?

comments from myself, why outdated BTR80 / 82 and call everything "Typhoons" ???
if Typhoon "" means "Typhoon"
KamAZ-6396 ... excellent chassis for BPDM

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[Aleks tv]

Quote: cosmos111

Lopatov wrote (sorry for a long time on the site not to see)))

Greetings, Andrew.
Glad to hear that.


Yes, when Lopatov did not swear with someone, then ... he wrote very interestingly.
Especially on their subject.
It’s a pity that I stopped communicating.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Aleks tv

It’s a pity that I stopped communicating.

Lesha you are right ...
a lot of those who wrote interestingly are no longer there, unfortunately on the site ... and not only Lopatov ..

[Aleks tv]

Quote: cosmos111

many who wrote interestingly are no longer there, unfortunately on the site ...

Yes ...
And before there was a very emotional comfort for specialists on the site ...
Eheh.

Well ... I hope that at least "one", but soon to appear ...

I called Andrei. Let him recover.

[Lopatov]

He bit off more than he could chew. But gritting his teeth seemed to be pulled. After the holidays I will hand over the object.

About the mafia: they gave me the 23rd cool multitool. The other day it was necessary to unscrew the bolt. But failed. Oddly enough, the miracle of technology at the same time refused to be a screwdriver and pliers. I had to stomp for almost three kilometers for normal tools.
Universalism is cool. Until the object degenerates into a warehouse of high-tech equipment. Like this Typhoon or Airborne SBRM

[mirag2]

The set of equipment is good, and its layout, as well as the question of the advisability of placing it on the BTR80 / 82-not so relevant.
What is important is the very appearance of such a mobile set of equipment, the opportunity to learn how to apply it in practice, and then I can place it on many platforms - both on Kurganets and on the Typhoon itself, etc.
Obviously "typhoon-m" here is not the name of the chassis, but the name of the set of equipment installed on the armored personnel carrier.

[Des10]

Yes, I remember this comment.
And here shooting from the module is possible only forward, behind the superstructure and antenna.

[Dronik3113]

An excellent comment is given ... It can be considered an answer to the article ... And about the "Typhoon" - it always happens when people "far" from the area of ​​its application are building machines, and in this case representatives of factories gathered and "stuffed" everything what they produce ...

[Djein9]

Quote: cosmos111

cosmos111
article on this topic

... Tell me please, the Western intelligence all that you shoot and write is already available .... ???

[dirty trick]

interesting - the car, in my opinion, is necessary, but earlier the BMPT "Terminator" participated in the exhibitions - it is also an interesting machine, also aimed at countering infantry and light vehicles.
anyone in the know - such machines came into service of our army ???
I believe, that it’s not enough just to develop - you need to implement and learn to use !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: dirty trick

interesting - the car, in my opinion, is necessary, but earlier the BMPT "Terminator" participated in the exhibitions - it is also an interesting machine, also aimed at countering infantry and light vehicles.

The very abbreviation BDPM was to refrain from such an incompetent question.
But if even after reading the article you do not understand what tasks this technique is intended for and put it on the same shelf with the "Terminator" ... you will have to wait a long time for an answer from someone who wants to chew, starting from the first grade.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Flood

and put it on the same shelf as the Terminator ...

We’ll wait, Vladimir, maybe Nasty (I don’t joke, there is no other name in the PM)) will explain to us.
I'm also very curious ... Suddenly we both "got it wrong."

[cosmos111]

Quote: Aleks tv

I'm also very curious ... Suddenly we both "got it wrong."

welcome
this is koment Lopatova ....

Quote: Aleks tv

I just wanted it right away and ... to give it to the Army intelligence. They would definitely find use for her.

for intelligence, KShM, as a spotter ...
but as anti-sabotage, yes even on the BTR 80/82 bakza, half the electronics on the armor, without anti-mine protection, with a machine gun cal. 7,62, with a limited sect of shelling, it does not fit ....
and the chassis must be exactly "Takyun KU", which is the best in RA ..

[dirty trick]

Quote: Aleks tv

We’ll wait, Vladimir, maybe Nasty (I don’t joke, there is no other name in the PM)) will explain to us.
I'm also very curious ... Suddenly we both "got it wrong."

it's not about whether it is possible to put these machines "on the same shelf" - in this I am really not competent enough, but about the fact that a new technique has been developed, and the same "terminator" has been developed for a long time, but there were not even any rumors about it (technology) entering the troops. if you have information - can you share it?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: dirty trick

In my opinion, the car is necessary, but earlier the BMPT "Terminator" took part in the exhibitions - it is also an interesting machine, also aimed at countering infantry and light equipment.

Well, you really didn’t understand you ...
Can you translate? If not difficult of course.
..................................

BPDM Typhoon-M is an interesting car.
I just wanted it right away and ... to give it to the Army intelligence. They would definitely find use for her.

Radar and UAVs - what else does intelligence need to "fast feet"?


And execution: on the C grade.
The base is suitable for those units where the BTR-80 is well mastered.
Electronics just piled on the armor, all haharyashki - in plain sight.

BUT:
There wasn’t such a combination in the sun ... This is what bribes.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Aleks tv

The base is suitable for those units where the BTR-80 is well mastered.
Electronics just piled on the armor, all haharyashki - in plain sight.

but like the bourgeois, similar problems have been solved ...
installed cameras with a 360-degree view, lifting and mast devices, with thermal imaging .. and dual-channel cameras DNVS-4, etc ..
and armored vehicle MRAP Mastiff c 4B .... on ballistic and mine protection ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: cosmos111

armored vehicle MRAP Mastiff

Hmm ... good, radish.

[Kus Imak]

Yes, MRAP units using UAVs are not needed. What you show is used to accompany your transport columns in the occupied territory. They do not hide from anyone and slowly move along the road carefully checking their route.
UAV units are located on its territory at a distance of several tens (hundreds) km from the front line. Being on their territory they are not threatened by an enemy mine blast. On the contrary, they move quite quickly and stealthily, usually at night. The only thing that threatens them is saboteurs landed in the rear, with an unexpected blow, who could incapacitate a unit. For protection, such units need fast and maneuverable armored vehicles with a crew of 2-3 people.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Aleks tv

. To give to army intelligence. They would definitely find use for her.

here is our car - BAZ-5937 floating wheeled chassis, partially armored, and if it is 100% booked, with a load capacity of up to 7,5 tons ...
BRM BAZ-5937

[luiswoo]

According to "scientific", it is 1L269 "Credo-1C". In 2007 it was put into service.

• Self-propelled chassis BAZ-5921, with local armor, protecting calculation and equipment from fragments and stray bullets.

• Actually, a mast providing the required range of detection tools. The maximum lifting height of the PMD is 15 m., Resistance to wind load - at least 30 m | s.

• Target reconnaissance radar capable of working on ground targets and low-flying low-speed targets (helicopters) Radar coverage area: range - 0,2 ... 40 km, azimuth - 180 degrees. The detection range of targets such as "tank" - up to 35 km., Type "man" - up to 15 ... 20 km.

• Thermal imager with high resolution matrix. The detection range of targets of the "tank" type - up to 10 km., Of the "man" type - up to 2 km.

• High definition TV camera. Detection range by a television channel during daylight hours: targets of the "tank" type - up to 12 km., Of the "man" type - up to 5 km.

• Two laser rangefinders, one less powerful and accurate, but safe for humans, and the second more powerful, more precisely, but they shouldn’t measure the distance with their soldiers. Irreversible eye damage may come from. Range of action of laser range finders:
• Safe range: tank target - up to 6 km. large target (bridge, bunker, airfield facilities) - up to 10 km.
• Dangerous range: tank-type target - up to 8 km., Large-size target - up to 15 km.

http://strangernn.livejournal.com/285575.html
Actually, it is clear that it is not for guerrilla warfare, but for the "big" one. But if she is booked 100%, if she wants to - after that, will she be able to swim? This is critical for her.

[Lopatov]

Even for a "big" war, the thing is clearly too big. Although ... The stem height is impressive. Only the chassis is worth replacing. On tracked.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Spade

Even for a "big" war, the thing is clearly too big.

BRM-based BRDM 2, telescopic match with an optical system...
interesting modernization of the 2 BRDM ... great 000 info ....

clickable

taken here: http: //otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php? id = 364 & p = 8

[Fedor Bolts]

These are the engineers today. They will stick around the old Soviet armored personnel carrier with joysticks, bells and whistles and other crap. Nicely called "anti-sabotage", denyuzhku from the Ministry of Defense will drink sickly. As the latest development in the protection of the Strategic Missile Forces. And how this armored personnel carrier was a tin coffin, both in appearance and in fact, it remained.

[Shur]

Yes, at least this corpus was deeply reworked. Everything sticks out, wires are scattered everywhere, and it will tear off everything in the bushes with branches. Everything is still "garbarite", God forbid that it is reliable. Ergonomics and layout in the style of chaos, we need to stick it in, and this is necessary, yes, we also stick it.

[Aleksandr12]

Nice car. It will be easier to smoke the "bearded" ones from the bushes.

[Axis]

Good development, in no way inferior and even superior to Western counterparts.
Although Iveco refused to buy Italian armored vehicles ...

[Professor]

What about mine protection? And why are the fighters again on the armor?

[avt]

Quote: professor

And why are the fighters again on the armor?

If I understood everything correctly, then they don’t have a place in this unit, to ensure their actions, it should work with units such as MPAP on which the soldiers should actually move

Quote: professor

What about mine protection?

Again, based on the principle that the attack and ahead of engineering intelligence do not go on it

Quote: Fedor Boltov

. Dazzle the old Soviet armored personnel carrier, with joysticks, gadgets and other crap

But "crap" and should give the old fighters. Well, the fact that the carrier "crap" is old , well, amera is still in the intelligence "Orions" old use, although drones in bulk, nothing, do not worry that they are a hundred years old at lunch.

[Serg 122]

BPDM Typhoon-M
These typhoons divorced ....
Here is one:

[Serg 122]

Typhoon-M
And here is the second:

[Professor]

Quote: avt

If I understood everything correctly, then they don’t have a place in this unit, to ensure their actions, it should work with units such as MPAP on which the soldiers should actually move

That is, the crew of this papalaz is not valuable?

Quote: avt

Again, based on the principle that the attack and ahead of engineering intelligence do not go on it

If he lags behind the column, then why is he needed at all?

[avt]

Quote: professor

That is, the crew of this papalaz is not valuable?

That is, with the landing on the armor sorted out?

Quote: professor

If he lags behind the column, then why is he needed at all?

Do you have all the means of electronic reconnaissance and optical electronic reconnaissance from UAVs in the advanced circuits in the bayonet? A machine for the Strategic Missile Forces, if, again, I read the text correctly. Why should the city be fenced in, they do not work on it alone, but only as part of a full-fledged counter-sabotage group. The main thing is to apply it correctly. On your heavy infantry fighting vehicles, in principle, they do not put heavy weapons of the largest machine gun of a rifle caliber, unlike ours "Bakhchi". They prefer to organize competent interaction with tanks and engineering units. So this unit is no one without appropriate reinforcement to walk through the forests and forests with Yes, and I have never heard that saboteurs were caught by marching columns of armored vehicles on the roads, as I always believed that there are tactics of actions and countermeasures, different from fishing with live bait by the method of passing in a column along the road.

[Professor]

Quote: avt

That is, with the landing on the armor sorted out?

Understood, he is present.

Quote: avt

Do you have all the means of electronic intelligence and opto-electronic with reconnaissance UAVs in advanced circuits in the bayonet in your IDF?

No, jeeps cope with them quite cheaply and cheerfully. And most importantly, no one would ever think of throwing them in the attack: neither armor nor weapons. The Americans have a very good reservation, but no weapons either. And most importantly, their goal is reconnaissance, and not the fight against saboteurs.

Quote: avt

Machine for Strategic Rocket Forces, if again I read the text correctly.

Not sure.

Quote: avt

You, on the other hand, do not put heavy weapons on heavy infantry fighting vehicles, the largest machine gun of a rifle caliber, in contrast to our "Bakhchi".

30 mm automatic cannon, ATGMs ...

[avt]

Quote: professor

Understood, he is present.

Yeah, at the demonstration under the camera.

Quote: professor

No, jeeps cope with them quite cheaply and cheerfully.

All entirely with mine protection and super seats.

Quote: professor

Not sure.

Oh how! The beginning of the article is published ----- ,, Combat anti-sabotage vehicle BPDM Typhoon-M (index 15TS56M) was created on the basis of the BTR-82 and is designed to protect mobile missile systems and units of the Strategic Missile Forces. The developers were NPO "Strela" and LLC "VPK". The first copy in 2013 entered the Serpukhov branch of the Strategic Missile Forces Military Academy named after Peter the Great.

On May 21, in Serpukhov, practical exercises were held with servicemen of the Strategic Missile Forces units on the protection of missile systems, reconnaissance and combating sabotage and reconnaissance groups using an anti-sabotage vehicle. The actions of the calculation of the BPDM for reconnaissance of the terrain and objects in the positional area, the detection and determination of the coordinates of single targets and vehicles and the repulsion of the attack of the DRG on the vehicle were practiced. "------- Optical deception ??

[Professor]

Quote: avt

Yeah, at the demonstration under the camera.

Well, I don’t know, among the bourgeois, they don’t even go for armor at a demonstration under a camera (where not provided).

Quote: avt

All entirely with mine protection and super seats.

I repeat, reconnaissance vehicles without armor, and most of them will not be thrown into battle, and stealth and mobility are required from them. Here is a combat model fully armed.

Quote: avt

Oh how! It turns out the beginning of the article --- Optical illusion ??

Marketing step. Sounds cool and it’s easier to knock out money for it. "Defense of the Strategic Missile Forces" !!! It's like a fighting robot. Now let's get back to earth. The mine complexes are so far in the depths of the territory and are so well protected that they are not afraid of any saboteurs, and there are so few mobile ones that the development of a specific protective complex is not justified. If this complex goes into service, then we will see it among the infantry, or rather, among the infantry in the same North Caucasus ...

[avt]

Quote: professor

I repeat, reconnaissance vehicles without armor, and most of them will not be thrown into battle, and stealth and mobility are required from them. Here is a combat model fully armed.

With one rifle-caliber machine gun - fully armed? Yes, fullness! Machine guns are also installed on engineering vehicles, so what? To attack them with a landing on "armor" go? With an excavator bucket in hand-to-hand combat. The only difference is that instead of the first jeep that came across, they took an old, albeit fry and modernized to version 82, floating armored personnel carrier as a base, since there are a lot of them and why Well, why cling to the fact that the base of the armored personnel carrier? It does not come out of this that the car and the Swiss and the reaper and the gamer on the pipe - it is looking for, itself destroys and even BMP in nature. Well, so you paratroopers on demonstration such jokes with bricks, bottles and cans of water are not soaked.

[Professor]

Quote: avt

With one rifle caliber machine gun - fully armed?

That is, all this is his weapon.

Quote: avt

Machine guns are also installed on engineering vehicles, and that

And nothing, little help from them.

Quote: avt

The only difference is that instead of the first jeep that came across, they took the old, albeit malek and upgraded to version 82, amphibious armored personnel carrier, since there are a lot of them and why is it good to disappear.

And what are her advantages over a jeep? Mobility, speed, stealth, transportability, power reserve? Well, at least something? Floats? So jeeps float ...

Quote: avt

Well, the fact is that when demonstrating a landing on it, well, you have paratroopers on demonstration such jokes with bricks, bottles and cans of water are not soaked.

We have no jokes either with bricks, or with bottles, or with any other fetish.

PS
I’m wondering what kind of UAV in this mysterious green box ...

[tupolev-95]

Professor, well, you are stubborn. The Israelis have a lot of jeeps, and we have a lot of armored personnel carriers, why fence a garden? There are many vehicles based on armored personnel carriers that are not intended for the "first line", some of them without weapons at all.

[ariy_t]

Quote: professor

And what are her advantages over a jeep? Mobility, speed, stealth, transportability, power reserve? Well, at least something? Floats? So jeeps float ...

The base of the armored personnel carrier is armored ... And completely ... So how? is there a difference ???

[Professor]

Quote: ariy_t

The base of the armored personnel carrier is armored ... And completely ... So how? is there a difference ???

It is so armored that the soldiers under this armor, on pain of the death penalty, do not want to climb. Jeeps are now being booked, but again, there is no need for armor in a reconnaissance vehicle.

[tupolev-95]

Oh how! Professor, have you already counted all our mobile systems?)))

[Professor]

Quote: Tupolev-95

Oh how! Professor, have you already counted all our mobile systems?)))

What kind of people and without protection ... By parole came out?

Quote: Tupolev-95

The Israelis have a lot of jeeps, and we have a lot of armored personnel carriers, why bother with a garden? There are many vehicles based on armored personnel carriers that are not intended for the "first line", some of them have no weapons at all.

Not an argument. New jeeps are being built for this business, and the presence in the warehouses of old armored personnel carriers does not mean that everything now needs to be released on the basis of the armored personnel carrier. If they are not intended for the first line, then why should they even have funny armor? To eat more solariums?

[ariy_t]

Quote: professor

Not an argument. New jeeps are being built for this business, and the presence in the warehouses of old armored personnel carriers does not mean that everything now needs to be released on the basis of the armored personnel carrier. If they are not intended for the first line, then why should they even have funny armor? To eat more solariums?

And what do you have in Israel before our solarium ????? So your jeep, in the conditions of greenback, the same saboteurs will simply be destroyed in the place with the crew ... It’s more difficult to destroy an armored personnel carrier, don’t you find it ???

[Professor]

Quote: ariy_t

So your jeep, in the conditions of greenback, the same saboteurs will simply be destroyed in the place with the crew ... It’s more difficult to destroy an armored personnel carrier, don’t you find it ???

I do not find. What is the level of anti-mine and ballistic protection of this dinosaur and modern armored jeeps?

[ariy_t]

Quote: professor

Marketing step. Sounds cool and it’s easier to knock out money for it. "Defense of the Strategic Missile Forces" !!! It's like a fighting robot. Now let's get back to earth. The mine complexes are so far in the depths of the territory and are so well protected that they are not afraid of any saboteurs, and there are so few mobile ones that the development of a specific protective complex is not justified. If this complex goes into service, then we will see it among the infantry, or rather, among the infantry in the same North Caucasus ...

Little????? Who doesn’t have that? Russia has enough and it is NECESSARY to protect them ... Well, saboteurs are specially trained to destroy such goals here, moreover, such operations are planned in advance.

[cosmos111]

Quote: professor

If he lags behind the column, then why is he needed at all?

in the west and Israel, probably the same, these systems are called: "situational awareness and automatic target recognition systems", which allow you to detect and neutralize threats, WITHOUT RISK AT A RANGE to soldiers who remain safe inside an armored capsule ....
these machines (MRAPs) are primarily designed to interface columns ...

[lelikas]

Quote: professor

What about mine protection?

Something of the type of the second floor is welded inside - it can be seen on the lowered door.
Although this is more likely moral reassurance.

I was more pleased with the English "subtitles" under the photo - the import audience of the site is growing

[Professor]

Quote: lelikas

Something of the type of the second floor is welded inside - it can be seen on the lowered door.
Although this is more likely moral reassurance.

There is none at all. The seats to the bottom tightly, the housing of the 1960s ...

Quote: lelikas

I was more pleased with the English "subtitles" under the photo - the import audience of the site is growing

This is not for this site. Kuzmin is a famous blogger.

[tlauicol]

Professor, Italian combat module or what? or have you learned how to do it yourself?

[Professor]

Quote: Tlauicol

Professor, Italian combat module or what? or have you learned how to do it yourself?

In my opinion, this is NPO Strela Service and combat reconnaissance vehicle "RBM"

[lelikas]

Quote: professor

There is none at all. The seats to the bottom tightly, the housing of the 1960s ...

There is, at home somewhere shemka even lying around.

[Saburov]

As you have lifted up with your mine protection. Are there people who have been blown up at least once? I was lying in Burdenko for 2 for a month, after flying at 15 meters from the beta to the first tree, with a slight concussion, glanders glanced over the bookmark on the headquarters road, although it farted in meters 20 from the car, the armor rescued my vertebrae, which I couldn’t even really fasten. And when here the youngsters begin to rub about the mine defense, to be honest, I want to show you photos from the archives how to mine and how they are undermined, what kind of mine protection mine from the 152mm land mine? There, the blast tank is oppressing, in my battalion, when the 72 was blown up, the skating rinks and the axle went for a walk on the green, and your MPM after the blasting will look like a ragged rag with obscure organic matter, let's reserve everything? We’ll put a soldier in iron barrels with a V-shaped bottom, what if they suddenly explode? For the future, in order to trace the route of the Strategic Missile Forces calculation and still pre-mine it, you must either have an informant in the highest ranks, and even with an admission of at least OP, or a billion Chinese settled in forests with HEs. All the column bombings in the resorts of the Caucasus were in 90% cases of leakage of information from ours. Now no one is mining with mines, but being mined with HE mines for greater efficiency and all that is needed in order not to be blown up is guarded routes, good intelligence work, sappers, secrecy and the direct preparation of the convoy movement. And armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are needed for the fast deployment and deployment of troops at the theater fighting and supporting them with fire, and not to stomp on mines. Plus, the presence of RPGs at the enemy nullifies all sorcery with a V-shaped bottom. So against sticks and stones and cans with nitrate MPD is more relevant than ever.

[Professor]

Quote: Saburov

Are there people who have been blown up at least once?

I can show photos of those who were undermined.

Quote: Saburov

I was lying in Burdenko for 2 months, after a flight of 15 meters from the beta to the first tree, with a slight shell shock, the glanders glanced over the bookmark on the headquarters road, although it kicked 20 meters from the car, the armor rescued the vertebrae, which it didn’t even have time to fasten.

And why on the armor were the mine protection “lifted up”, and not in the armor? You probably wanted to live? Would you survive in armor?

Quote: Saburov

And when here the youngsters begin to rub about mine protection, to be honest, I want to show you photos from the archives how to mine and how they are undermined, what kind of mine is mine protection from 152mm HE?

And I can show you what makes a 100 kg landmine with a tank, but that does not mean that the mine protection bullshit and V-shaped bottom are the machinations of the imperialists. These methods are plagued with blood, but someone cannot be driven into armor with sticks, they all ride on the armor. The question is, why then in general such armor? By the way, MRAP holds up to 25 kg of TNT under the wheel. How much is it in your 152mm HE?

Quote: Saburov

. Plus, the presence of RPGs in the enemy nullifies all sorcery with a V-shaped bottom.

And the V-shaped bottom should also save from RPG? News is news.

[Saburov]

Where did you study professor? The crew in tanks was blown up by 10 kg of trotyl, remained idiots with concussion and headaches for life, I had severe people from the 12 personnel, three were lying in a coma, one was blind, brain tissue was damaged, and the rest were disabled with a shaky psyche and headaches.You put a bucket on your head and ask a friend to hit the bucket with all the dope, this will be about 500 grams of TNT under the behi, and on 25 kg your insides will jump out of all the cracks. You first think before you carry such a x ... I already told you that MPAP and other ironing equipment, for cans with saltpeter and small artillery paraphernalia, when 3kg smells, even if by luck they all remain alive, they will at least a minute or two will think about who they are and where they will remember the shaking brain, how it opens the door, here it is, RPG will be very handy to smoke in a closed space those who are thinking hard. Therefore, ON ARMOR, not in zinc!

[Professor]

Quote: Saburov

Where did you study professor?

No where, I'm illiterate. Here are just learning to learn and learning materiel. Imagine, the bourgeois lie that their MDIs can withstand up to 25 kg under the wheel. Thanks you. They brought them to clean water.

Quote: Saburov

from my personnel, 12 people got severe, three were lying in a coma, one was blind, damage to brain tissue, the rest were disabled with a shaky psyche and headaches

... and where is your logic? After that, you say that mine protection is not needed?

Quote: Saburov

You first think before you carry a similar x ... I already told you that the MDI and other ironing equipment, for cans of saltpeter and small artillery paraphernalia, when 3kg smells, even if by luck they all remain alive, they will be at least a minute or two they will think about who they are and where they will remember with a shaking brain, how the door opens, here it is, RPG will be very handy to smoke those who think hard in a closed space.

She, well, 100% of the bourgeois lie. I will not even upload the test reports here, it will not help. I will not touch Iraq and Agfgan either, there are "shells of a different system." Thank you, you have enlightened us.

Quote: Saburov

Therefore, ON ARMOR, not in zinc!

Here it is the whole essence. Like you are not built on armor climb. What Typhoons or Buffalo are there, everything has already been decided.

[Saburov]

I congratulate you on your 25 kg!

[ariy_t]

And against the anti-aircraft mine V imagery helps ??? Although ... It’s more difficult for you there, thickets are stunted ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

And why are the fighters again on the armor?

There is no space left.

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

There is no space left.

What kind of people and without protection ... By parole came out?

[Lopatov]

?

No, I came home for the holidays. Sunday evening back.

[Massik]

Yes, in principle, they can stomp on their own, on an armored personnel carrier all the same faster)

[portoc65]

A powerful guard like a terminator would be good for such a technique; such a machine is the first in line for destruction for deversants.

[erased]

"And you, friends, no matter how you dress up, everyone is no good for musicians ..."
BTR-82, created on the basis of BTR-80, and before that BTR-70 and BTR-60, was originally prepared for large-scale combined-arms battles, which were the basis of the military strategy of the USSR army in the 50-80s of the 20th century.
At the present stage, the concept of a light armored vehicle for units performing security and security functions is based on slightly different principles. And to customize the old technique under them is akin to fitting a padded jacket under a tuxedo to a social event.
After all, there are KAMAZ developments for the Typhoon project (another version). There are "Tigers" and "Bears" and even "LSHA-scorpion". In the end, work on the preparation of "Boomerang" is almost completed. Well, where else?
Either here there is direct access to the loot on order (lobbying for their anti-resoffs), or again our left leg does not know what the middle ear is doing. And grandmothers fly, our grandmothers fly like birds ... And we never know where to fly.
Dixi.

[Bayonet]

On the convenience of work for the crew, clearly did not think. The seats are somehow miserable. In general, the approach to this has not changed.

[Peacemaker]

BMPT would not hurt. But this is more for intelligence. Radar et al gadgets, a remote mine detector and most importantly UAVs! And with the operators. As far as I understand, accompanied by a special armored personnel carrier with armed to the teeth guards. Found an ambush: They will figure it out, if not then call for reinforcements. These are my incompetent thoughts, so to speak, sorry if you messed up something. And who in the course please complete and clarify.

[series_wolk]

Damn a cable, you could somehow put it on the armor in a closed form

[31231]

Normal car. For their specific tasks is very necessary.

[ICT]

Quote: 31231

Normal car. For their specific tasks is very necessary.

I don’t know if she meets at least some requirements, the special forces of the strategic missile forces
BUT ON VIEW AND ON THE ESSENCE OF PLACING THE EQUIPMENT COMPLEX, full crap

for those who know just a question
can a driver mechanic drive this car in complete darkness?

[Isum]

Scribe !!! They hung electronics on the armored personnel carrier, so what ?? The electronics itself is not really protected from fragments and bullets. Inside, as before, "ala 80" is just the limit of comfort, one thing pleases at least there is a kandyushnik. I understand when there is no time to do something original (military operations) and such a machine is desperately required, then yes, you can use such a technique.

[Shur]

As a prototype for a start, and no more, that is, just a hurt on wheels.

[Agent 008]

Personally, I was shocked by the steering wheel, which was put on trolleybuses, somewhere in the 70 of the last century ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Agent 008

I was personally shocked by the steering wheel, which was placed on trolleybuses, somewhere in the 70s of the last century

I agree that on 21 machines of the 20th century it should be square, well, in an extreme case, triangular!

[Shur]

He wanted to say less.

[Kisel]

Quote: agent xnumx

Personally, I was shocked by the steering wheel, which was put on trolleybuses, somewhere in the 70 of the last century ...

[Walking]

The firing zone is limited to equipment on the roof.

[Georgich]

Quote: lelikas

Quote: Agent 008

I was personally shocked by the steering wheel, which was placed on trolleybuses, somewhere in the 70s of the last century

I agree that on 21 machines of the 20th century it should be square, well, in an extreme case, triangular!

And be sure to stealth technology.

[ICT]

Quote: Georgich

And be sure to stealth technology.

Quote: lelikas

I agree that on 21 machines of the 20th century it should be square, well, in an extreme case, triangular!

the steering wheel on this machine is just an indicator that the machine as a whole does not satisfy any modern requirements and realities,
and even more so stated tasks

combating sabotage and reconnaissance groups

[mirag2]

steering wheel-joystick which of this is worse and why ???

[cosmos111]

Quote: mirag2

steering wheel-joystick which of this is worse and why ???

steering gear, must be modern - rack and pinion type ...
rack and pinion steering is considered more convenient and modern ....
it is optimal in terms of repair and safety ...
used in the manufacture of modern cars ....

BTR CAPTAIN 8X8, rack and pinion steering

[Free wind]

The steering wheel can be simply hydraulic, and in no way connected with the management of rigid traction. Much cheaper, easier and more convenient. Can be used and a joystick. Perfectly controlled car. Travel a bit. unusual, but you get used to it.

[cosmos111]

Quote: TIT

and even more so stated tasks
combating sabotage and reconnaissance groups

this machine must carry out the tasks of detecting and destroying an enemy who acts secretly from an ambush ...
ambush - carefully camouflaged and pre-prepared places, reconnaissance and sabotage units on the most likely routes of the enemy’s movement in order to defeat him with a sudden blow from several directions ......

an armored car of a BPDM should have, first of all, a powerful anti-mine and ballistic defense !!!
to undermine at least 8 kg in t / e ...

[Massik]

I like these photos, the armor break from the explosion didn’t even smoke, the soot washed away by rain ??? Or sand and dust drifted ??? So it’s good to see the flag under the bars

[Gaersul]

Honestly, I did not understand the meaning of this machine. The Strategic Missile Forces, on the other hand, have a well-functioning security system on the march. If only this machine was created as an experiment, then of course an interesting experience.

[Shur]

On such "experiments" you can lose a lot of money.

[Tamerlan225]

All computers on windows 2000 work . Though would update

[mackonya]

It only seems to me alone that there are too many speakers and unprotected modules.

[MSA]

Just some kind of spy report

[cerbuk6155]

This is a prototype, in the future, the shortcomings will be removed. And money for it with completely removed flaws has not yet been allocated. When they come and how many there will be, they will work on that amount. Cars also do not sell fully equipped, you have to pay extra for it, and sometimes almost double. And the plant is not a bank and its money is scarce.

[Free wind]

I don’t understand what this car is for. How is the machine for the drone operator? So he generally needs to be removed away from the battlefield. and not let in front of everyone. The operator generally can and is in the underground bunker. How is a mobile radar? Or maybe someone will explain to me how the radar can detect a group of saboteurs buried in the ground along the route of the column. Well, about the armored personnel carrier, Well, the armored personnel carrier is an armored personnel carrier

[Moore]

A similar machine was already part of the "Pioneer" complex - 15Ya56. Naturally with more disabilities.
The essence of the use of this pepelatsa was: a fixed firing point in the most dangerous direction of the field position (FB). Well, and where the cable from the MPP was enough ..)) He could no longer swim, he guarded so-so (the fighters had "Penguins" in winter and slept like marmots) and the armored personnel carrier could be called with a big stretch.
The essence of this Typhoon is almost the same. This is not a superweapon for a dashing attack by saboteurs on combat patrol routes and not a vehicle for transporting l / s (Professor, fighters on armor are Serpukhov cadets and, in general, pokazuha).
This is a unit that combines a multifunctional information center, a firing point and a security system operator's post. According to some reports, it can be integrated into one system with other Typhoons (how many are there on the PP - two, four?), The same UAV, a miracle in the form of a robot on tracks with all sorts of killer things like PKT, Korda or AGS and , of course, perimeter security systems.
Thus, theoretically, it could be executed on the KAMAZ chassis with a kung (you’ll think about digging a caponier under it), but the developers chose what they chose. Simply put, this is not an armored personnel carrier. How successful the design turned out, military operation will show.
While two pieces in the same division are already under repair on the hodovka (clutch) and the invention, training the operators to control the UAV, successfully ditched it ...

[Kus Imak]

This transport resembles a vacuum cleaner. It is impossible to combine in one machine both the control machine and the security machine. The control machine should be large enough to provide ERGONOMIC operation to several UAV operators, whose change lasts several hours. This car does not have to be maneuverable. He still stands most of the time. Its main task is to be a convenient place to work (and spend the night). Its armor may be the most basic, but it is desirable to have a KAZ to prevent this vehicle from being pulled out by an unexpected shot at a distance of 2-3 km. Under Israeli conditions, an armored bus would be best for this purpose (this is the cheapest option), similar to those that roam the territories. It has no problems equipping 10-12 jobs, it has bulletproof armor and is very convenient to use. To equip it with KAZ and that's it. If cross is important, then you can use any armored truck with all-wheel drive.
On the contrary, the security car should be armored, maneuverable and small. Its task is to give an active rebuff in the event of an attack. The best option is an armored jeep, and even better, Ahzarit with KAZ.

[Moore]

Once again: this is not a transport; this is a vehicle for the Strategic Missile Forces - the GPRK. The bus is against the Palestinians. The main thing on the PP is secrecy. Therefore, not KAMAZ and not "NEOPLAN"
Reading that it is impossible to combine the command vehicle (we are talking about the PDS command, are we not?) And the security guards, the missilemen who served on the Topols and had MOBDs available are surprised.
An unexpected shot in a wooded area for 2-3 km - yes, it is strong.
"Active rebuff" in the same area with amenities in the form of some kind of car - from the same area.
The whole essence of the PDS fight in the RBP RP is reduced to the timely detection of DRGs - and there it is with legs, feet and how lucky - either a reflection of the attack, or, if you have enough forces, destruction.
For road transportation of PDS forces - "Shots", MT-LB, the same BTR-80. It all burns, of course. But he is at war.

[Kus Imak]

Do you mean this car?
Can it be called an anti-sabotage (security) machine ????
This is just an example of a large, sedentary, lightly armored control car. He cannot perform any anti-sabotage function.

[Moore]

It is this one.
1. Mobility is not required for him - he stands on the software as a firing point + TCO post + many other functions. In the forest, mobility will not give anything, this was higher.
2. It is basically not armored - its function is to detect the adversary with the help of TCO and hit it from the control room (the target from it hit the first burst at 500-600m, not because the shooter is akhovy, but just a convenient machine, and there’s no need in the forest anymore ) I repeat: among rocket launchers, the principle is not to fend off an adversary who has suddenly attacked (taking into account the dimensions and security of the products, this is not worth talking about), but his timely detection.
3. These vehicles on the PP are combined into one system - with centralized control, centralized TCO and a common fire system.
4. Now, in addition to this, there will be another forward echelon of Typhoons - before that, its function was simply performed by outposts.

[Kus Imak]

Quote: Moore

It is this one.
1. Mobility is not required for him - he stands on the software as a firing point + TCO post + many other functions. In the forest, mobility will not give anything, this was higher.
2. It is basically not armored - its function is to detect the adversary with the help of TCO and hit it from the control room (the target from it hit the first burst at 500-600m, not because the shooter is akhovy, but just a convenient machine, and there’s no need in the forest anymore ) I repeat: among rocket launchers, the principle is not to fend off an adversary who has suddenly attacked (taking into account the dimensions and security of the products, this is not worth talking about), but his timely detection.
3. These vehicles on the PP are combined into one system - with centralized control, centralized TCO and a common fire system.
4. Now, in addition to this, there will be another forward echelon of Typhoons - before that, its function was simply performed by outposts.

Here on the shushpantser there was an active discussion about this car, whether it was a shush.

http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/1599159.html

I do not want to enter into such a discussion here and do not want to belittle its merits in the least, I am just trying to explain to you that this car is good for other purposes.
This is not an anti-sabotage vehicle. This is a modified kung with a machine gun. If you have a guard company in the headquarters, then the headquarters from this does not become a commando unit.
If you put a machine gun in the kung, it does not become an anti-sabotage car from this.


Here is an example of an anti-sabotage armored car. Small, with a powerful engine, with the ability to quickly disperse and high maneuverability allows you to actively repulse and pursue saboteurs.

[Moore]

And I'm trying to explain to you that the methods and methods of anti-sabotage struggle are different. When it comes to "active resistance" - this is about 80-90 percent of failure for a rocket engineer, taking into account the specifics of the objects. Therefore, the main PD-activities are reconnaissance, search, security at distant approaches.
The commando company at headquarters, of course, will not. But they can set the task of anti-sabotage combat.
Beautiful machine above probably good to drive the Papuans. On flat terrain. What track does 7917 or MAZ-543 leave in the autumn-spring period and how this toy will look in it, I think, you can imagine.
As for the "specialists" from the "shushpanzer" - no comment.
Let me repeat myself again: military operation will show everything.

[Kus Imak]

And which car is better for use

Quote: Moore

reconnaissance, search, security at distant approaches.

?

Explain to me how your car is suitable for reconnaissance and search? He does not fit in any way. It is suitable for living and management. This car belongs to a completely different class.

[Moore]

Which car? If we are talking about the MOBD, it carries out the functions of fire destruction, security and the information center where intelligence data flock (observation, search, etc.). is he not a reconnaissance and search engine, which I wrote earlier. Intelligence, search, etc. were assigned to special units of protection and intelligence.
Now the latter got their own unit to perform the same functions (just APCs without special filling, by the way, no one took away from them and they are involved in the security system along with Typhoon) with advanced capabilities and security has become layered not only organizationally, but also technically.
And why do they need your beautiful little car? In the snow 1 m high between the trees to ride?

[Kus Imak]

Well now everything has fallen into place.
Dear speech in the topic was about the "reconnaissance and search" machine - if it is convenient for you to call it with the elements of the control machine. In my first post, I wrote that such a chimerization is not suitable, since the control machine and the security machine have completely different functions. You wrote me the following:

Quote: Moore

Reading that it is impossible to combine the command vehicle (we are talking about the PDS command, are we not?) And the security guards, the missilemen who served on the Topols and had MOBDs available are surprised.

I have been proving to you for 3 days that your MOBD is a pure control machine (headquarters on wheels), you do not agree with me, but now it turns out that you still have security vehicles - armored personnel carriers without any filling. It’s just that when you served, they weren’t (as I understood it anyway). You just simply did not have a security car, and there was only a control car equipped with a machine gun. Now everything has fallen into place. So what is the contradiction with my initial thesis - the need to have separate control vehicles and separate security cars.?

[Moore]

If you cannot understand for 3 days from what has been written that the Strategic Missile Forces need ears, eyes and a brain, and not legs and fists - whose trouble is this?

[akromaserp]

Some kind of slurred miracle crap. Very similar to the development skolkovo.

[Nikolski1973]

Why hang all this on the BTR-80 base? Why place modules on top of armor? Where is the protection against the damaging factors of the use of RPGs and IEDs? How and what is the protection of the calculation? Another "zinc" for the RUSSIAN SOLDIER. I suggest that the engineers who created this miracle and the officials who adopted it were the first to be sent to combat tests in a real stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ivanovbg]

Great article, it is unfortunate that I can put only one plus. I was fascinated by the pictures of the internal compartments. The appearance of the machine and approximate characteristics can be seen, if not everywhere, then on almost any thematic site. But VO is always better

In relation to the car, I think it is good and necessary. I am not familiar with the organizational structure of the Strategic Missile Forces of the Russian Federation, but to protect the positional area of ​​two or three launchers, this machine is just that! KShM-ki and ground-based radars are needed in the subordination of the regiment and above, and in the start-up divisions it is just what suits better - an unmanned eye of the guard plus a large fire cover in the last line of defense.

The guards must be transported to other means, and if saboteurs are found, they will be attacked on BMPs and armored personnel carriers, plus helicopters and artillery for target designation just from the Typhoon.

It is clear that someone wants to have a CABG, a radar, and a separate UAV unit in addition, but not the same Strategic Rocket Forces as part of the RF Armed Forces.

[Flex]

in vain you rejoice it would be necessary to publish all these technical characteristics of the machine - let the Americans start thinking of an antidote right away - did you ever think that such publications are one of the next betrayals of our country ???

[ivanovbg]

In this car there is nothing fundamentally new that is not known to the Americans. Even, perhaps, they have UAVs better than Russians today, the radar adversary is slightly worse, the optoelectronic reconnaissance means are slightly better, but fundamentally on the same level. So why not boast of a new car, especially if it is really good and worth it.

[Flex]

in vain you rejoice it would be necessary to publish all these technical characteristics of the machine - let the Americans start thinking of an antidote right away - did you ever think that such publications are one of the next betrayals of our country ???

[RADIK]

The technique is good only to the point of this technique. We conduct exercises, well, and two armored personnel carriers calmly cut through the Russian border to a sufficient depth - "Two armored personnel carriers of the Ukrainian army invaded Russian territory. The President instructed the Foreign Ministry to issue a demarche in connection with the violation of the Russian border." And that we will come out with a "demarche" is a formidable word. So what the hell is such a good technique needed if we pass the southeast and can't even catch the border violators.

[a.hamster55]

I support the respected Shur - done on the job, cables and those without protection are lying around. Finally a gift

[Denimax]

Quote: Peacemaker

As far as I understand, accompanied by a special armored personnel carrier with armed to the teeth guards. Found an ambush: They will figure it out, if not then call for reinforcements. These are my incompetent thoughts, so to speak, sorry if you messed up something. And who in the course please complete and clarify.

I also did not understand anti-sabotage. The developers could describe the application tactics. And if they called it "mobile artillery spotter" then everything would immediately fall into place.

[a.hamster55]

The professor will explain everything ...

[Cuckoo]

According to media reports, citing a source in the FSB Border Service, on June 13, two Ukro-punitive armored personnel carriers crossed the Russian border near the village of Millerovo in the Rostov Region.
First, a border violation was committed by one armored personnel carrier taking part in a punitive operation on the territory of the LPR, bordering the Rostov Region. The reasons why the APC invaded our territory are unknown. Here the car broke down and died out.
An armored vehicle with a crew of several people was found by Russian border guards. According to the source, they "began to take the necessary actions in such cases." The source could not answer whether there were soldiers of the Ukrainian army or radicals from the National Guard in the crew of the violator.
It was not possible to capture the Ukrainian fighters, since from the side of the Lugansk region they invaded another Russian armored personnel carrier to help Russia. His crew pointed a gun at the Russian border guards and took on board their colleagues. After that, the Ukrainians hastily retreated towards their border. The broken armored personnel carrier is still located in Russia.

[Kus Imak]

You have a strange border. The adversary walks on it as at a training ground, and also threatens with a machine gun from an armored personnel carrier. I won’t be surprised when next. since your border guards will be captured and on all TV they will say that they invaded Ukraine. Shoulder straps were not stripped from the head of the border district?

[Moore]

But what, the arrival is inadequate 150 meters from the imaginary (there is no demarcation there in fact) border line and leaving your equipment there indicates the absence of border protection?
Or is it necessary, following the example of the Promised Land, to put up a fence and minefields? So it’s not for us, it’s for Ben Kolomoisky. He had already planned to earn a little shekels on this.

[Kus Imak]

Quote: Moore

But what, the arrival is inadequate 150 meters from the imaginary (there is no demarcation there in fact) border line and leaving your equipment there indicates the absence of border protection?

Sure. If the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier had not been stuck, your border service would not have been able to detain him, he would have returned to his side. From my Israeli point of view, the service whose main goal is "protection, protection and defense of the land and water borders of the Russian Federation" has not fulfilled its task. The commander should have noticed the approaching armored personnel carrier on the Ukrainian side, detain it immediately after crossing the border, and not after it got stuck (one cannot really all the time hope for the carelessness of Ukrainian mechanics). Prevent the penetration of the second armored personnel carrier, and in the event of a threat of the use of weapons, immediately take measures for active counteraction. If a border guard intelligently retreats every time he is threatened with a weapon, then such a border guard is worthless. I am sure that these things are spelled out in your internal border guard statutes. And written in what is called blood. And the border guards did not fulfill them, therefore, from my point of view, their mission is a failure.

Quote: Moore

Or is it necessary, following the example of the Promised Land, to put up a fence and minefields? So it’s not for us, it’s for Ben Kolomoisky. He had already planned to earn a little shekels on this.

Nice man - fences and minefields, not an Israeli invention. Moreover, they also existed during the Soviet era, when the border was not considered an "imaginary line". With your attitude to border protection, next. once the adversary equipment comes to you, you treat her crew with cigarettes and wipe the back in the bathhouse. And rename the border service "Rosturizm".

[Moore]

Nice man - fences and minefields, not an Israeli invention. Moreover, they also existed during the Soviet era, when the border was not considered an "imaginary line". With your attitude to border protection, next. once the adversary equipment comes to you, you treat her crew with cigarettes and wipe the back in the bathhouse. And rename the border service "Rosturizm".

No less nice person, let it be known to you, on the borders with some countries, including the former Soviet republics, stood and stand solid linear TCO, including with the possibility of mining during the threatened period.
This was not the case with Ukraine, and if Benya does not sell his project for further undressing the country (the country can already be in quotation marks) through the fence presented by him, he won’t.
It is probably hard for you to understand that behind an imaginary (without quotation marks) trait the same people are Russians. And that the border guards, yes, can treat each other with a gypsy. And that the girls-operators at the border do not call the "Merkava" on duty to shoot at an object they do not like.

[Kus Imak]

Quote: Moore

It is probably hard for you to understand that behind an imaginary (without quotation marks) trait the same people are Russians. And that the border guards, yes, can treat each other with a gypsy. And that the girls-operators at the border do not call the "Merkava" on duty to shoot at an object they do not like.

It’s not hard for me to understand this, I don’t understand why you need border guards? You can just hire a security company. Such a border service is a pure formality; in fact, there is no border protection. Yes, Russians also live in a neighboring country (by the way, not only them), so what? Now you do not need to protect?
Your case, I have not changed my opinion. In the neighboring country, the Russian embassy is already being stormed, the war is in full swing, and you think that everything is OK. I do not like to be Cassandra, but you will see that such gouging will lead to blood in the near future already on Russian territory.

[Moore]

Your case, I have not changed my opinion. In the neighboring country, the Russian embassy is already being stormed, the war is in full swing, and you think that everything is OK. I do not like to be Cassandra, but you will see that such gouging will lead to blood in the near future already on Russian territory.

I see the discussion has lost its meaning. To convince you of something in my plans is not included. The arguments presented to you; you have not accepted them. That's your business. Apparently, it’s not worth sending you information about the experience of protecting the border with less frivolous countries than Russia.
Well, yes, if they don’t make fun of everything that moves, and if they don’t hit, they don’t call aviation, then, of course, we need to hire a security organization.
And also, apparently, Lavrov needs to somehow call the Ukrainian president, and Putin to kill everyone.

[voyaka uh]

Between Russia and Ukraine before the outbreak of military conflict was
normal demilitarized border, as between countries
The European Union. No soldier, no fence, no plowed strip.
We are used to hedges, walls, patrols ... :(

[andr327]

In fact, if the division reflects an attack by the DRG, then this is already a failure. The combat patrol area should already be cleared of the DRG. In principle, this is impossible to do with the forces of the regiment. And the protection and defense of the field position is to drive away the curious summer residents and mushroom pickers!
By the way, the most unmasking sign of the movement of missile divisions, as is the reconnaissance of these routes, the setting up of various security posts and curfews.
But this car is not for fighting, but for detection. But it is necessary to implement it only in order to work out the options for the combat use of the equipment installed on it.

[Flex]

some kind of puppy enthusiasm for the author .... so you can get under the article and why do you need secret information to the enemy they spread our media and this site is also monitored --- a talker is a godsend for the enemy

[ivanovbg]

And what does the adversary learn from the VO that the Russians have UAVs, ground-based radars and optical-electronic reconnaissance devices? And then the Americans themselves do not have them? Let's say, after reading this article, the Americans urgently start to develop an antidote for BPDM. And what will it look like in practice? Are American commandos equipped with stealth helmets so that they do not light up under the Typhoon radar? And will a stream of cold air be added to the stream of intestinal gases of the rangers so that they cannot be seen in the infrared range?

Yes, the USA is certainly monitoring the site, but novelties are being monitored and taken into account. But the BDM is not Poplar, not Yars and not nuclear submarines. No one will reveal the real secrets.

[ivanovbg]

And what does the adversary learn from the VO that the Russians have UAVs, ground-based radars and optical-electronic reconnaissance devices? And then the Americans themselves do not have them? Let's say, after reading this article, the Americans urgently start to develop an antidote for BPDM. And what will it look like in practice? Are American commandos equipped with stealth helmets so that they do not light up under the Typhoon radar? And will a stream of cold air be added to the stream of intestinal gases of the rangers so that they cannot be seen in the infrared range?

Yes, the USA is certainly monitoring the site, but novelties are being monitored and taken into account. But the BDM is not Poplar, not Yars and not nuclear submarines. No one will reveal the real secrets.

[Anatolich]

Despite the body kit outside and a bunch of equipment inside, nothing has changed in the driver’s seat compared to the BTR-80, because I touched every native nut on it with my own hands, cool equipment, I still dream about how I ride it

[Yurgens]

As they will run around the new platform, they will replace the BTR 80, which is arguable) there is no adequate replacement for this car yet, and I consider the disputes about the b, b shaped legs to be empty.

[Beautych]

Quote: Yurgens

As they break in a new platform, they will change the BTR 80

Where in this article is it made clear that this is an experimental workaround? And that everyone so stubbornly reassures themselves that they will "roll back and change"? Moreover, in three articles on this subject there is no hint of this. Well, at first there was an option for the BTR-80, then they decided to switch to the BTR-82 and that's it. It seems like they stopped. Already even going to deliver.

Here is a quote from one of the articles: http://topwar.ru/44316-rvsn-ispytayut-novyy-robotizirovannyy-kompleks.html
"It was argued that by the end of this 2014, the strategic missile forces will receive new equipment designed to protect strategic facilities."

but from another: http://topwar.ru/32796-boevaya-protivodiversionnaya-mashina-tayfun-m.html
"In the future, the development of the anti-sabotage vehicle project led to the fact that a new base in the form of the BTR-82 was chosen for the Typhoon-M vehicle."

PS I’m just rooting for you to be right, but where are the prerequisites?

[Beautych]

In my opinion, the Tiger-based RBM looks much more logical and expedient than the Typhoon-M BPDM based on the BTR-82. What is only one 12,7 caliber on the Tiger versus 7,62 on the Typhoon-m

The question arises why it was impossible to shove the entire filling of the BPDM into the Tiger or into the same KamAZ-63968? Moreover, as we can see: even in the Tiger everything fits perfectly, no cables and valuable equipment "under fire" stick out, unlike this option.

[Fibrizio]

If a real special forces comes for a missile, nothing will save it, especially outside a military facility. The armored personnel carrier will receive from javilin and will order a long life. Well, it might work out from the ordinary military without preparation, but if specialists came for you, no contract soldiers without real combat experience, and even those relaxed by monotonous work, will not save.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Spade

Bit off more

I recently recalled you, and you - right there. Well, you will live long)))