The battalions are asking for fire, or why Putin is silent

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The battalions are asking for fire, or why Putin is silent


I always get lost when they suddenly start asking me about things so obvious that even the answers to the asked questions start to seem boring and uninteresting platitudes.

And especially I get lost when people who, in theory, begin to teach such things in the first year of journalism, are beginning to ask me about these obvious things. Those. professional, to put it mildly, “political journalists”.

The main question now is, of course, "why Putin is silent."

In short.

Firstly, no one will argue with me here, and Putin and Lavrov have spoken about this more than once, the main task of the Russian Federation now is not to “take control” of certain areas of New Russia, but simply to stop violence against citizens throughout the Southeast. And the point here is not in any “fear of sanctions” (these “sanctions”, for the sake of justice, are rather arbitrary), but in a completely objective situation, primarily the economic one, prevailing in the territory of the once flourishing Soviet republic. So objective that not a single “entered / not entered” Tanks here, frankly, they cannot be the determining factor of what is happening by definition.

For a package of documents, already partly signed, and partly signed by the new authorities of Ukraine, superimposed on a completely monstrous economic situation in the country, also aggravated by the ongoing hostilities (expensive, in fact, pleasure), simply cannot fail to cause the Ukrainian economy to collapse and social explosion.

And no later than the fall of the current year.

Judge for yourself: by the end of this month Poroshenko intends to sign "the economic part of the agreement on Euro-Association." Russia, by the voice of the president and other officials, has repeatedly voiced the scenario with automatic resetting of “duty-free trade” on the part of all the countries participating in the CU, no matter what Alexander Grigorievich Lukashenko expressed there. And this is a real threat, at least, a partial stop of industrial exports. And actually full - food.

Here, by the way, there is a curious detail: the president of Belarus, who behaved quite intricately at the coronation of the "chocolate king", gave another strong hand a few months ago with a strict order to his "farmers" to be ready for the immediate replacement of Ukrainian goods in the Russian markets. Hurrying "to occupy a niche," the rogue - and I understand him very well here.

But this is only one side of the issue, so to speak.

Another: the agreement, already signed by Ukraine with the IMF, according to which the first tranche has already been received. In what agreement, black and white prescribed cuts in social programs, cuts in pensions and public sector wages, sharply increased utilities, and other fun and standard "set of measures" that this vibrant international organization diligently exports to countries with a growing economy to slow its growth. True, these, to put it mildly, “controversial tools”, no one has yet tried to mix in the directly planned sharp decline in industrial production and the agricultural sector, as well as system powerlessness with elements of civil war: the effect, I think, can turn out to be absolutely stunning as in the joke about a mixture of sleeping pills with laxatives.

In short, it will jerk in such a way that it will not seem like much to anyone, and the Crimea will be baptized for a couple of decades from the happiness of a successful strike on slippers from the “continental part of the republic”.

And this, you just believe me, is well understood everywhere: in Moscow, in Berlin, and in Washington.

And then, as my tourism partner Lyokha says, “everything depends on the tasks”. Each has his own, and each, to the best of his own understanding, decides. Therefore, Russia is trying to do what it should try to do: to “freeze” the situation as much as possible. Humanitarian corridors, ceasefire, negotiations: in short, “the variant of Transnistria”. We do not refuse to communicate with Kishenev because we communicate with Tiraspol.

And forgive us, Ukraine, we need everything.

With all due respect to our brothers in Donetsk and Lugansk, and personally to Colonel Strelkov in Slavyansk: a big fight goes far beyond these, indisputably important for Russia, and heroic areas. In general, we face a classic situation with the hardest, but predictable moral choice, more than once, alas, described in Russian and Soviet literature.

One of the most prominent examples: Yuri Bondarev.

1957 year.

"The battalions are asking for fire" ...
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  1. +24
    12 2014 June
    Yes, in 1956 and 1968 we behaved differently in essentially foreign countries, and today in our native Ukraine we are afraid to fart, and from here we need to draw conclusions.
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    2. +7
      12 2014 June
      Well, then we were somewhat different ... Moreover, as you write, Ukraine is native!
      And why did the family fart ...
    3. 11111mail.ru
      +2
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      we are afraid, from here it is necessary to draw conclusions.

      And what conclusion did you make yourself?
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        Read between the lines, dear.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          +4
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Igor39
          Read between the lines, dear.

          I'll try, dear.
          Quote: Igor39
          Igor39 (2) Today, 06:49
          Yes, in 1956 and 1968 we behaved differently in essentially foreign countries, and today in our native Ukraine we are afraid to fart, and from here we need to draw conclusions.

          Between your two lines is an EMPTY line spacing. The thoughts implied in the lines are the same as THOUGHT screaming at maximum volume.
          1. 0
            12 2014 June
            Honestly, people who scream that they threw the Southeast, leaked, I want to ask !? Why did you do this? Why don’t you pack and don’t eat to fight there ?? How can you calmly look at your seeming inaction !?
            How can you scream that someone leaked someone, the South-East due to which something is holding on !?
            1. +4
              12 2014 June
              And we collect things ... and transmit as well. We stand in pickets and ask you to hand over at least 50 rubles for refugees. On Sunday we collected as many as 2500 rubles (our communist veteran passed a thousand rubles).
              And the majority - fly by the "left" - are greedy. what
              And here the question is - And for what the state serves ... ???
              Apparently - to KEEP TAXES AND CARRY OUT PARADASES (with peace) ... !!! negative
            2. Gluxar_
              +1
              12 2014 June
              Quote: Romn
              Honestly, people who scream that they threw the Southeast, leaked, I want to ask !? Why did you do this? Why don’t you pack and don’t eat to fight there ?? How can you calmly look at your seeming inaction !?
              How can you scream that someone leaked someone, the South-East due to which something is holding on !?

              Honestly, such patriots are sometimes worse than enemies. Who in the big mind wants war? Only psychopaths.
              Many do not even understand the difference between a meat grinder and a military operation. Someone calls to go to the militia when he is on the couch. Someone wants others to "roll out Ukrainians" for him, when he even cut himself off from the army ... these are hypocrites.
              And it makes no sense to go just to die and kill the same sheep like you, on the other hand, not much. After all, the real enemies are not at the forefront in Slavyansk. They are sitting in Kiev and Washington ... and the conflict will only increase their appetite.
              Do you really want to help and your blood is boiling? Get a visa, go to the USA - buy weapons there or make IEDs and destroy real enemies. Some hawk from the senators, and even better the head of some sort of multinational corporation, which has monetary interests in Ukraine. Destroy the real evil behind all these troubles. and not sixes and boobies on the front line. They are the instigators of war, they were and always will be until someone stops them.
        2. 0
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Igor39
          Read between the lines, dear.

          Hungary, Czechoslovakia, only there the USSR was not alone, there were countries of almost the entire Warsaw Pact, and where there is obvious support, there are still silent countries.
          1. +3
            12 2014 June
            Why is there no support now?
      2. +13
        12 2014 June
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        And what conclusion did you make yourself?

        I don’t understand why they minus it, I bring you to zero. I concluded this: Putin is silent, because it is necessary. Everyone needs it, and the OSCE, first of all, so that everyone can see how rotten Ukraine is ... They brought to bloodshed, the economy in zhpe, refugees, it makes no sense to list all the d. authorities. Mothers receive funerals in the west and are indignant that their sons did not die as heroes. What nah heroes, killers !!! Tough, at the expense of Putin, but this is my personal opinion! hi
        1. 11111mail.ru
          -3
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          I don’t understand why minus, I bring you to zero.

          Don't be so sensitive minus until you put, look at my time for comments. Bring to zero moderators can, but not youso don’t be bothered.
    4. +16
      12 2014 June
      Crimea is one thing when the whole population is for Russia. Ukraine is another thing.
      Let them decide to see who where, in what corner. Bring in the troops Putin and after 50 years again Maidan and again akkupants - "Ridna Ukraine ate." Help was and will be, even the gas is not cut off. This says something. They are given a chance.
      1. Oleg1964
        +8
        12 2014 June
        You are right, they give a chance. But to the dead, including children, this chance is no longer needed.
        1. +12
          12 2014 June
          Only Ukraine itself is to blame for the deaths in Ukraine. There is nothing to shift responsibility to Russia.
          1. mihasik
            +4
            12 2014 June
            Only Ukraine itself is to blame for the deaths in Ukraine. There is nothing to shift responsibility to Russia.

            And then why shout to the whole world that if there are mass killings of Russians and Russian-speaking, we will bring in troops? For rating? The massacres of Russians and Russian speakers began, so what? The Americans took Putin at his word and avenged Obama's Red Line in Syria. I understand that Putin wanted to scare the dill, but the rest of the Ukrainians believed him.
        2. koshh
          +1
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Oleg1964
          .BUT to the dead, including children, this chance is no longer needed.

          Totally agree with you. But, unfortunately, we live in a cruel world. And all that is happening now is a war for the existence of the Slavic world. And there are always victims in a war, they cannot be avoided. I want no victims, especially the innocent, but ...
      2. Alexan
        +3
        12 2014 June
        What a chance there is! the policy is conducted only from a position of strength! Europe is twisting its arms and blackmailing the Russian Federation, which is why Ukraine is insolent and rude. We wash and wipe ourselves. As soon as Crimea behaved itself darly, spitting on the opinion - everyone respected, even within the country, patriotism rose. The surrender of positions in the Donbas will disappoint everyone. The promotion with T-shirts on the "politely volodin" theme already looks dull and late. The planned film about the return of Crimea in a year or two will be a spit in the soul! And this film will be even worse "22 minutes" - real events, but with great delay and vulgar quality!
    5. +6
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      We are afraid to fart Ukraine,

      and who are we interestingly afraid of? and what are we afraid of?
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        Well, for example, the Yankees invaded Iraq, hanged Saddam and put their puppets, why don't we do this in Ukraine? Or is the opinion of the "world community" dearer to us?
        1. +16
          12 2014 June
          "Igor39
          Well, for example, the Yankees invaded Iraq, hanged Saddam ... "

          So for almost 70 post-war years they invaded Korea, Vietnam, first "helped" us to fail the Afghan mission, then they arranged Chechnya for us. In Iraq, by the way, if my memory serves me, they fought more than once, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria ... Do I need to list further! They hanged Saddam, the same fate befell Gaddafi, "helped" Milosevic die. Everywhere there is blood and death behind them !!!
          And that for the sake of Ukraine, "sleeping" in a zombie dream, Putin should plunge Russia into the Third World War. And you are ready to die for the sake of sleeping Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk ... If your brains explode, do not watch TV, do not read newspapers. If you are a man, be patient, clench your will and let's wait. Let's die for RUSSIA, our children and wives.
          All with the Independence Day of RUSSIA !!! Although SEVENTH NOVEMBER I liked more. I speak as a participant in the last parade of the USSR Armed Forces on Red Square 07.11.1990.
          1. +6
            12 2014 June
            Totally on your side. From a participant in two parades on Red Square during the Soviet era.
          2. +2
            12 2014 June
            I thought that for Russia, wives and children need to live ...
          3. +1
            12 2014 June
            good I think the States are good intriguers, but here they are clearly not at stake. They do not understand the specifics of relations between Russia and Ukraine. They have one template for Libya, Iraq, Syria, but Ukraine will be complicated for this template. Putin's Russia will never give Ukraine to be torn to pieces. Under Borka Bodun there would be a second Yugoslavia.
            Quote: staryivoin
            "Igor39
            Well, for example, the Yankees invaded Iraq, hanged Saddam ... "

            So for almost 70 post-war years they invaded Korea, Vietnam, first "helped" us to fail the Afghan mission, then they arranged Chechnya for us. In Iraq, by the way, if my memory serves me, they fought more than once, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria ... Do I need to list further! They hanged Saddam, the same fate befell Gaddafi, "helped" Milosevic die. Everywhere there is blood and death behind them !!!
            And that for the sake of Ukraine, "sleeping" in a zombie dream, Putin should plunge Russia into the Third World War. And you are ready to die for the sake of sleeping Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk ... If your brains explode, do not watch TV, do not read newspapers. If you are a man, be patient, clench your will and let's wait. Let's die for RUSSIA, our children and wives.
            All with the Independence Day of RUSSIA !!! Although SEVENTH NOVEMBER I liked more. I speak as a participant in the last parade of the USSR Armed Forces on Red Square 07.11.1990.
          4. 0
            12 2014 June
            Because of Ukraine, the 3rd war is unlikely to begin. WHO WILL BE FIGHTING AGAINST RUSSIA, FOR WHOSE POPPERS OF ITS CITIZENS (SOLDIER FROM NATO COUNTRIES).
          5. +4
            12 2014 June
            Quote: staryivoin
            Everywhere there is blood and death behind them !!! And you are ready to die for the sake of sleeping Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk ...

            I apologize, but this is nonsense, superficiality, snobbery and hypocrisy. Putin should not be for the "sleeping" Ukraine, but for the sake of this "sleeping sickness" not spreading to the Russian Federation. Preparations for today's events in Ukraine have been going on for all 23 years, and by and large, even longer and earlier. Conducted by the states and Europe. And, in particular, the "sleeping" areas are also the result of this preparation.
        2. 0
          12 2014 June
          The Yankees did this because they can afford it, since after the collapse of the USSR they remained the only superpower and lured all our allies. We only get up from our knees and in the next 20 years we don’t need a big war. The Russian Federation has now begun to form a counterbalance to the West and to unite all those dissatisfied with the status quo. America is now upstairs but has already begun to slide, while we rise, in a few years we will meet in the middle. They do not want this meeting and are trying to do what Britain succeeded in 1914, to engage Russia in a big war, which immediately provokes all the problems in our rear. At the end of the 19th century, English scientists presented a report that predicted the rise of the German Empire and the squeezing of Angles from the Middle East and other areas of British trade interests, according to their calculations, this led to the collapse of the British Empire in a series of revolutions and detachments of the colonies. This was about to happen by 1920. Only the war in which Germany and Russia was to participate could save the Angles. After this report, the Angles spent millions to buy ministers and the elite of the Russian Empire and pit us with the Germans, who until the last months did not want to fight with us, even after the anti-German pogroms in Russia. The result is the collapse of the German Empire in a lost war, the collapse of the Russian Empire as a result of internal problems. The Angles themselves, too, broke up, but already in a planned manner, robbing the colonies and leaving them with their laws and the primacy of the British royal family. Then there was also hysteria and hatred - yes, we will reach Berlin in a week. We do not need a global war, since we will even win it, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory.
    6. +5
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      afraid to fart

      And who speaks of fear? I heard a lot about other interests and not desire, but what does fear have to do with it?
      Let’s not make this nonsense. If we now let the East be suppressed, then the Ukrainians driven by the West will trample on the Crimea (the Ukrainians will even now on their websites hyster that "the army is rising", where did they get the tupni?) we will be dragged into the third world war, in which there will be no winners, definitely!
      So what does fear have to do with it? And what does it say between the lines? I don’t see!
    7. +8
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      we are afraid, from here it is necessary to draw conclusions.


      The main thing is not afraid or not afraid. The main thing is that the counter killed in the southeast of dill clicks non-stop. And several people, on our behalf, finance the fascist junta with gas dollars, not to mention 200 billion worthlessly poured into dill, for which, by the way, no one was liable.
    8. Horde
      +3
      12 2014 June
      The battalions are asking for fire, or why Putin is silent

      Well, why is Putin silent? never said ...
      1. +6
        12 2014 June
        There is no time to tell him.
        There, Miller and the Minister of Energy together can’t defeat Sold. The whole delegation was sent to persuade an abnormal one.
        What talk is there .... to understand what this Ukrainian government is broadcasting about.
        In ward number 6, it’s even easier - Napoleon ... so Bonaparte. Atilla is Genghis Khan.
        And then ... damn it ... frostbitten midiotics ... some.
        ...
        Therefore, it is silent.
        How to talk with idiots - only psychiatrists know.
        1. Horde
          +7
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Igarr
          There, Miller and the Minister of Energy cannot compete together. Sold out, the whole delegation was sent to persuade an abnormal


          UKRAINE GOVERNMENT everything has already been stolen, and Gazprom pretends that Ukraine is still, some kind of subject ...
      2. +1
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Horde
        The battalions are asking for fire, or why Putin is silent

        Well, why is Putin silent? never said ...

        If in the first act of the play a gun hangs on the wall, then in the last act it must certainly shoot. © A.P. Chekhov angry
      3. +1
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Horde
        Well, why is Putin silent? never said ...
        So because this cunning Jew is Lekuh.
        For today's scribes, the main thing is to lick in time, to show loyal feelings, so that the silent great-talker would finally "notice them and go down to the grave to bless them."
    9. +2
      12 2014 June
      Russia is not the USSR. Opportunities are not the same. Money is in Western banks.
    10. +1
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      Yes, in 1956 and 1968 we behaved differently in essentially foreign countries, and today in our native Ukraine we are afraid to fart, and from here we need to draw conclusions.


      We are not afraid, but we are careful. Time is not right. Then there was the USSR and there was the Warsaw Treaty and any revolt that was in the Union, that in the VD had to be extinguished immediately.
    11. 0
      12 2014 June
      Perhaps this is why it is silent that there are more refugees than men and women!

      In Sevastopol among the refugees from the Donbass there were unexpectedly many young men!

      “We now have 148 people, of which 64 are children. Full families come, but there are more men. Moreover, guys come in 25-30 years, ”she said.

      Starostenko added that nutrition is carried out in the same format that was valid during the school year - "three meals a day are organized, as for our children."

      Dinner time is 18-30. For adults, according to the director of the boarding school, such a diet is not enough. That is why a boarding school needs electric kettles and electric stoves.

      At the same time, according to Starostenko, the humanitarian aid, which is actively supplied by ordinary residents of Sevastopol and large enterprises, is extremely wary of the boarding school.

      “We sometimes even ask, wait a couple of days - we have not yet distributed what we brought to us earlier. We don’t accept money at all - we’re afraid of responsibility, ”said the director of the boarding school.
    12. Gluxar_
      +2
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Igor39
      Yes, in 1956 and 1968 we behaved differently in essentially foreign countries, and today in our native Ukraine we are afraid to fart, and from here we need to draw conclusions.

      And how did the 56 and 68 years come to us? The country and the leadership who made these decisions then where now?
      I agree with the article and encourage all thinking people to see these obvious facts. The troops can not be entered. This will be a defeat for Russia and a victory for the United States.
      The shooter is a hero, but he did not organize his rebellion very timely. Well, understand that it’s stupid to stand in the way of a flying country into the abyss. It takes a lot of forces to stop this fall and turn it the other way, and Pirov will win.

      It’s like in physics, you need to let the cycle end. when all the potential energy of a fall from a height goes into motion in the abyss ... let the whole impulse be generated and then on the back bounce and you need to make every effort and do what you need.

      Strelkova needs to be supported, but it should be special operations of individuals. No state. Moreover, special operations are needed to eliminate the leadership of the junta. Both in Kiev and in the field. This will bring clutter and chaos to the work of the punitive operation and slow it down. And by fall-winter punitive operations will already be in Kiev and Lviv. But who is so competent and brave .to carry out such operations today in Kiev?
      1. 0
        13 2014 June
        What can I say, Alekh .....
        about physics - and the abyss ... you surprised me ... - "..... all the potential energy of falling from a height turns into movement into the abyss ..."
        ...
        although this is a written speech, the intonation is not clear here ..
        ...
        And as for the special operations - so everything has long been on the collimator .... the go-ahead would have to wait. ... And here and strained ...
        ...
        I don’t know, I don’t know ... what our leadership planned there.
        Wait only.
        AND - BELIEVE ......

        fate.
  2. +18
    12 2014 June
    Politics is a very dirty business. hi And as they say, it is a pity that everyone who knows how to manage the state works as taxi drivers and hairdressers. wassat But seriously, no matter how the heart bleeds, the time to send troops did not come ... Otherwise, those 30% of the population, what kind of Kiev (do not be surprised, there are such people), and where else will the swamp sway? Not sure which side of Russia. And outside invasion even the weakest nations united to repel aggression. So no matter how mean it sounds, we are waiting for the right hour. hi
    1. +7
      12 2014 June
      Hmm ... Ukraine was taught to hate us for 23 years ... In Kiev THEY really consider us AGGRESSOR ... AND UNTIL THE PRIORITIES change in their heads ... THEY will consider us enemies ... And no matter how painful it is TO HAVE TO WAIT. .. !!! We NEED allies ... And ENEMIES, and so enough ... !!!
      1. +5
        12 2014 June
        By the way, in the rebellious Donbass there are quite a few people who have taken the position of "my house is on the edge." They are waiting for how it will end. And they do not care who will be the winner, they are ready to live under any government, incl. and under the fascist. After all, they are aware of who came to them in Donbass. Putin is doing everything right. We need not interfere in a purely internal armed conflict. It is enough to provide material assistance.
  3. +11
    12 2014 June
    Gazprom is actively financing this disgrace with free gas.
    1. +1
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Mikhail M
      Gazprom is actively financing this disgrace with free gas.

      Why free? Debt is now accumulating at current prices. Gazprom counts and rubs pens! Let Ukraine try to go to court later. Business and contract for the West are sacred! Make to pay. That's just all this will be at the expense of the poor.
      And it would be necessary at the expense of "beloved Julia", who signed this contract with such a price. And she has enough money. Back when Yanukovych was still, an English independent company, at the request of the Ukrainian government, began searching offshore. And yet, yes, they found it - a little no less 123 accounts in 86 countries. But it's clear that the current ones won't remember this!
      1. Horde
        +5
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Egoza
        Why free? Debt is now accumulating at current prices. Gazprom counts and rubs pens! Let Ukraine try to go to court later.


        By supplying gas to the hostile state (mos kalei on knives), Russia essentially sponsors the Kiev regime and, what is most disgusting, it’s FREE for free, because Banderland is Bancrot. It’s foolish to hope that Ukraine will take money from somewhere to pay for gas , Donbass - lost, in the country DEINDUSTRIALIZATION - a ban on the supply of industrial products to Russia, agricultural work has been foiled, so there is no need to wait for large yields and, therefore, some foreign currency injections into the economy, so WHAT does Gazprom count on while continuing to supply gas?
      2. +1
        12 2014 June
        Loaned gas is sold at the same gas stations and through electricity, and I'm not sure that some of the gas across the border is not pushed a little cheaper. Total there is money for the war. According to the reports of Ukraine ~ 3 million dollars a day. And what is cheating with gas is unambiguous, since so far pensions are paid and even while salaries are paid at enterprises that have refused our defense orders. And even returned the advances on them.
        And every day the supply ~ 30 million dollars in subsidies. And the guys are not interested in the future. Since the economic crisis can not be avoided even so - even so. And with an external debt of more than 80 billion dollars (according to some estimates already 150), a billion do not care more or less!
    2. +1
      12 2014 June
      Gazprom wants to build South Stream bypassing Ukraine. He is not going to negotiate with Ukraine for the price in the near future. Until the fall, uncertainty is needed in gas supplies through Ukraine. This is pushing Bulgaria and Serbia to step up the pipeline. Any serious actions in support of Donbass and Bulgaria and Serbia will jump off the bandwagon. Therefore, the Kremlin will support the militia, but he does not need a quick victory over the Ukrainian army. The sluggish conflict will be maintained at least until the fall.
      Conclusion:
      1. The Kremlin is interested in instability (uncertainty) in the European gas market. Gazprom does not want to sign a new contract, but offers a discount ...
      2. The Kremlin is interested in military-political instability in Ukraine, at least before the start of the active construction of the South Stream in Bulgaria.
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        For the South Stream, for a long time it was possible to provoke the right sector, he threatened to undermine the gas pipeline a hundred times
        1. 0
          12 2014 June
          Do you know "Deff", if periodically there are pridu.ki who are trying to blow up the "Sapsan", this does not mean that tomorrow the Moscow-Peter railway will be closed or a district railway will be built past Bologoye.
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  4. sazhka4
    0
    12 2014 June
    Specifically, there is something to say? "Stupid" "statements" to the UN and Appeals to the "world community." And nothing more. But Putin is silent .. There is nothing to say. All steam went off, give me the authority, give me So what? Sometimes silence borders on ordinary stupidity.
    1. +6
      12 2014 June
      Quote: sazhka4
      Sometimes silence borders on ordinary stupidity.

      Sometimes not understanding borders on ordinary stupidity.
      1. +5
        12 2014 June
        On the exam, shut up before the professor, with an air of complete understanding of the question. And you will get the corresponding score.
    2. +11
      12 2014 June
      Quote: sazhka4
      Sometimes silence borders on ordinary stupidity.

      How do you like him to speak every week? although he is silent, he does his work. like Lavrov, like Churkin
    3. UFO
      +3
      12 2014 June
      The hardest thing is to confront a silent adversary, you never know what he is cooking.
      Quote: sazhka4
      But Putin is silent.

      Do you want Putin to be like Psaki?
      1. Horde
        +4
        12 2014 June
        Quote: UFO
        Do you want Putin to be like Psaki?


        don’t need a dime like Stalin ...
    4. Horde
      0
      12 2014 June
      Quote: sazhka4
      Specifically, there is something to say? "Stupid" "statements" to the UN and Appeals to the "world community." And nothing more. But Putin is silent .. There is nothing to say. All steam went off, give me the authority, give me So what? Sometimes silence borders on ordinary stupidity


      there is nothing Sasha ...
    5. 0
      12 2014 June
      I am always struck by clever men. They, as a rule, know everything about everyone. They know how and what needs to be done, even at the state level. And when you are interested in who and where a person works. Immediately hides his head in the sand. Because he is a master at advising everyone, and what he has achieved in life himself - as a rule, there is no answer, because he has not achieved anything.
  5. +9
    12 2014 June
    Yes, we need Ukraine, but without banderlogs and other creatures.
    1. +5
      12 2014 June
      Quote: ALEX74
      without banderlogs and other creatures.

      And this should be done by the Ukrainians themselves. A good housewife does not call guests to clean their house.
  6. +6
    12 2014 June
    the big fight goes far not only for these indisputably important for Russia and heroic areas

    a big fight is coming, and this is the main thing. sometimes the naive indignation of our citizens is incomprehensible to me - they leaked, abandoned, betrayed ... if our guns do not rattle in Ukraine, this does not mean that they are not fighting for it. or do you definitely need a full-blown war? no worse than a steam engine people do this. I have complete confidence in them on this issue
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    2. +15
      12 2014 June
      Quote: buzuke
      sometimes the naive indignation of our citizens is incomprehensible to me - they leaked, abandoned, betrayed ... if our guns do not rattle in Ukraine, this does not mean that they are not fighting for it.

      All this is correct, but ... the mind dictates one thing, but the heart cries! I really want Strelkov to live to the Victory! Together with his guys! To also take the parade! He deserved and suffered!
      Hold on guys!
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    4. 0
      12 2014 June
      "buzuke" As long as the Russian government has LADIES and his company, there is no trust.
      DAM did not do anything good for Russia, but everything that he has done has to be redone. And to trust such?
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        I will not give the whole government. laurels, for example, also from there. and shoigu too
  7. +2
    12 2014 June
    the effect, I think, can be absolutely amazing, just like in that joke about the mixture of sleeping pills and laxatives.

    Rather, like a mixture of hard drinks with hard drugs. Well, and bacon, due to local specifics.
  8. +14
    12 2014 June
    Strelkov himself understands this very well, unlike other leaders of the republic, and therefore does not require Russia to send troops to Ukraine. It's just that Russia needs to strengthen its "humanitarian" assistance to the republic.
    1. +4
      12 2014 June
      I agree with you. Shooters are professional and not couch troops. So he himself sees these layouts, by the way, if it comes to that, he has somewhere to retreat, and he is there. So not everything is so bad and he has a more complete infa ... But just getting into a fight, it will turn out as the ancestors said, "All ours and the snout are in the blood" ... hi
    2. w2000
      +4
      12 2014 June
      Actually demanded and repeatedly.
      1. +4
        12 2014 June
        Quote: w2000
        Actually demanded and repeatedly.

        He just informed the Commander-in-Chief! Openly and publicly - according to the laws of democracy! fellow
        But I really want to believe that if the GDP could openly say what he really wanted to do as a person, as an officer, and not as president, his answer would please many. hi
        1. +3
          12 2014 June
          Quote: Egoza
          But I really want to believe that if GDP could openly say

          There are things that will not be openly said for many years. And maybe never at all.
    3. +5
      12 2014 June
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      , therefore, does not require Russia to send troops to Ukraine

      You simply are not careful. Strelkov repeatedly ASKED (what do you mean demanded?).
  9. +7
    12 2014 June
    Unfortunately, the inertia of public consciousness prevents the Ukrainian people from deciding on their imminent future and setting priority tasks to stabilize the situation. Riots across Ukraine will begin in the coming months. Europe will conquer when floods of refugees flood there. Then they will remember about Russia. There will be no time for America.
    1. +1
      12 2014 June
      I support, it will be so, gays themselves all lead to this option. and they don’t get off with cookies here, and merkel is already spread rot at full height for her policy, but the French are not far behind, but when they still have to pay the chocolate pig’s debts, there’s going to be fun in the geyrope, and China hasn’t asked for a favor, there’s like 3 larda duma this is the next tranche of the IMF will have or whatever GDP agreed with creditors
    2. +1
      12 2014 June
      And what are ours doing ??? For two months, even broadcasting has not been established !!!

      An aerostat in the Crimea at an altitude of about two kilometers will make it possible to restore broadcasting of practically all Ukraine of Russian channels and VHF-FM radio stations,
      The greatest information effect: music and information in vehicles.
      An example of a finished version http://rosaerosystems.ru/aero/obj16
  10. 11111mail.ru
    +5
    12 2014 June
    "The battalions are asking for fire, or why Putin is silent." Emotional article. However, the title of the article should summarize its essence. The content does not quite match what is stated in the title. Plus I put it only for the fact of voicing the problem.
  11. +3
    12 2014 June
    I think that we are starting to learn how to play poker, not chess. And our sworn friends do not need to know what is on our mind.
  12. w2000
    -1
    12 2014 June
    How the zaputintsy got it, with their daily sycophantic attempts to whitewash the black dog. They will come up with a "cunning plan", then a "tactical pause", then something else, but people in Donbass continue to die at this time. The answer to why the Russian government is inactive is as simple as two or two and lies on the surface: Putin's oligarch masters have a financial interest of hundreds of billions of dollars, which is provided by gas supplies to the European market. And even if all the inhabitants of Donbass are burned alive in ovens or poisoned with gas by the Nazis, Russia will still not attack Ukraine, because the Nazis will immediately close the pipe.
    1. +3
      12 2014 June
      Putin is not worth blackening. He has proved his patriotism too many times. Would be a traitor, there would be neither 080808, nor Crimea, nor Syria.

      It's just that the 5th column in power here specifically overpowers. How? Well, something like "if Russia is harnessed," reconstruction "will begin at all PRIVATE metallurgical plants and people will go on unpaid vacations. And a couple of satellites will not start. And the banking system of foreign transfers will" accidentally "go wrong and so on for a week or two money will freeze. " Do we have an article for sabotage in Russia? Even if it's obvious? That's just it.
      1. Demon0n
        0
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Magadan
        Putin is not worth blackening. He has proved his patriotism too many times. Would be a traitor, there would be neither 080808, nor Crimea, nor Syria.

        It's just that the 5th column in power here specifically overpowers. How? Well, something like "if Russia is harnessed," reconstruction "will begin at all PRIVATE metallurgical plants and people will go on unpaid vacations. And a couple of satellites will not start. And the banking system of foreign transfers will" accidentally "go wrong and so on for a week or two money will freeze. " Do we have an article for sabotage in Russia? Even if it's obvious? That's just it.

        Take it higher ... Have you seen a picture of empty counters in grocery for a long time? For a long time on prod. warehouses did not spoil on a massive scale, was not exported, was not buried in ditches? If you think that the cattle are extinct, then you are mistaken. When people have nothing to eat, and the media and some figures, as one lucidly explain who is to blame, the most interesting will begin. Before that, radical patriots with nationalists will arrange a small war with nationalists of other peoples (not only the Caucasus). It's not difficult to organize. There will be wagons of money for bribery and org. needs ... easily (+ "the west will help us").
        Everyone somehow quickly forgot the 90s. But in vain. These were cautious flowers, since one can bury oneself at full power to launch lawlessness mechanisms in a country with tons of nuclear weapons.
        Do not understand - do not meddle, do not help - so at least do not interfere. First, understand the situation, learn to analyze events and personalities, learn to compare disparate information, and verify its accuracy. No special training is required. Enough to want. Who doesn’t want to ... give special training with top-secret information ... Not funny? The road will be overpowered by a walker. Get ready for tons of dirt: no angels.
    2. 0
      12 2014 June
      w2000 (2), but it didn’t occur to you that this is your road, your put, Russia can and does help, but on a plate with a blue border it will not bring happiness, this is your share. more than once passed this lesson,
      Bequeathed already by Monomakh: "Contact God forbid! With three - a Jew, a Ukrainian and a Lyakh." The Jew is crafty, though blind; Puffy lyakh - worse bl ** and, Khokhol - will eat bread with you, And then he will shit in your soup "(c)." Khokhly "TG Shevchenko 1851
      you had everything. God forbid everyone inherited from the USSR; in Russia, Siberia Far East was still in full opera. and you have roads and gas and production and science, everything is untwisted. and .... ask .. if ... and now who and what owes you? you are hiding in holes and Russian boys should put their heads for you? it is YOUR relatives YOUR fascists shoot, and you ... if only not for me ... and here Putin? this is WE YOUR children and women accept feed give roof. but we also need to feed our own.
    3. 0
      12 2014 June
      Well, why should Putin. The state of Ukraine is an independent state. On what basis should Russia send troops into the territory of an independent state. Sorry, but this will be an escalation.
      1. +1
        12 2014 June
        Because it was Putin who said: "Ours are not abandoning their own" under this support and statements are now laying down their heads (more than 3000 dead civilians and soldiers and more than 25 refugees (Crimea, Russia and Poland)
  13. +10
    12 2014 June
    Another dregs. Correctly said: the literary cover of the expected SHAME!
    Once again: the junta retreats - no problem, everyone believes in "some cunning plan."
    If the Novorossi junta will overcome, there is no need for any philosophical muddle about “we need all of Ukraine” “we will achieve recognition of our position and the protection of civilians” And about “hungry Ukrainian babushkas” is also not necessary.

    No, I'm not saying that Putin is a traitor. I say that in the event of the discharge of New Russia, the Russian service team of the Washington regional committee that is now in power has significantly more weight than Putin, Shoigu, Lavrov, Rogozin and others (whom we consider patriots). And with this something will have to be done.

    We heard a lot of abstruse explanations. So there is no answer to 2 simple questions:
    1) What will happen to us if we just smash Ukropov's troops from the air? Type "no-fly zone". Gaddafi was gouged for lesser sins. Ah, then we agreed to the UN ?! Okay, but we did not give such an agreement on Iraq and Yugoslavia, so what? We want to "avoid a war with Ukraine" WHAT DOES NOT HAPPEN?
    2) Why not shut off the junta gas valve? Ah, will they steal from Europe? Well and then WHAT? Ah, the loss of Gazprom! Well then fine. Blue chips are for someone more expensive than Truth and Conscience. In vain my grandfathers fought with the Nazis, did I understand you correctly?
    1. +4
      12 2014 June
      It turns out in vain ...
    2. 0
      12 2014 June
      In fact, there are only two options most considered by all - to introduce or not to introduce troops. There are supporters of one and the other. Which to choose? So Putin chose the option not to send troops. And rained down. I would choose another, it would also showered, but on the other hand. How to be That is the question. Therefore, the choice is always made by the one who has the authority and bears for this choice the full responsibility to the country. This is Putin. And we can only discuss, but in no case try to pass off our opinions as truth.
    3. 0
      12 2014 June
      No, I'm not saying that Putin is a traitor.

      Magadan, this is what you are saying. And you know that GDP will not be written to you. Tell me why you have the US flag?
      NOT TO HAPPEN WHAT?

      At a minimum, the following sanctions packages: they will block the supply of avionics and other high-tech products. What will we put on airplanes and others? Look at Iran what the economic blockade has done to it.
      I’m not afraid, I’m just stating. I think the leadership in the face of GDP will be ready to go to extreme measures.
      As a maximum, NATO troops may return troops privately (outside the bloc)
      After the bombing, the very population of Ukraine will unite even greater hatred of Russia, it’s the same as throwing firewood into the fire of their nationalism.
      Why not shut off the junta gas valve?

      The junta has gas reserves in storage, plus it can steal gas for Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic and so on.
      Again, Novorossia will sit without gas?
      In vain my grandfathers fought with the Nazis, did I understand you correctly?

      In Ukraine, absolutely the entire population are fascists? Their grandfathers did not fight against the Nazis and Bandera?
  14. +8
    12 2014 June
    The article is correct. Many aspects were understandable in principle, especially useful for couch wars screaming: Where are the troops !? Go ahead!!
    In addition to everything said, the brains of Ukrainians, many acquaintances whose relatives in Ukraine quarreled in the trash, almost all of us, including us, so even having entered the troops who doubt, they will stand up with light souls against us with the words: Well, we knew the OCCUPIERS! !!! And such a mess will begin that I will not call real enemies, for they will have already erased their tongues, they will watch, laugh, rub their hands and add fuel to the fire by all means. And in order for the epiphany to come, Ukraine itself must feel what it is striving for ....
    1. +5
      12 2014 June
      Once again: good, NOT troops! A no-fly zone! here what problems?
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        and what is the no-fly zone provided for?
        1. 0
          12 2014 June
          planes with missiles and air defense systems so that their fascists do not fly and do not bomb. Militia troops and will not be required
        2. +2
          12 2014 June
          Quote: buzuke
          and what is the no-fly zone provided for?

          By air at the military airfields of Chuguev, Mirgorod, well, near Nikolayev, and the silence spilled around ... :-)
        3. 0
          12 2014 June
          Quote: buzuke
          and what is the no-fly zone provided for?

          When deployed in the Rostov region on the border with Ukraine, the S-300, S-400 air defense systems completely cover the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Yes, and the S-200 would be enough.
          And, most importantly, the most dangerous thing is to declare this no-fly zone, for military aircraft approaching it, to work out - from our territory - as launch simulators, and - they will not fly anymore.
          1. Andrey82
            +3
            12 2014 June
            First, we must recognize these people's republics, and not watch the Russians exterminate with Grads and phosphorus bombs, while Gazprom is plaintively persuading, and ours is mysteriously silent.
  15. +1
    12 2014 June
    And I would not want my son to go to war in Ukraine, and he would not go. They voted for the collapse of the USSR-let them enjoy. Cover them all to the maximum, let them hammer each other. They are not used to it. Once already asked for help from Russia, they will ask and more .. Let them only mature, and independently
    1. +6
      12 2014 June
      and I would WANT my son to go to defend the Novorossians! This is not just the Donbass - it is a battle of Conscience and Truth against the dough, betrayal and Nazism. And I really hope that my son will choose a military path, he will not be so long before adulthood
      1. +1
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Magadan
        and I would WANT my son to go to defend the Novorossians! This is not just the Donbass - it is a battle of Conscience and Truth against the dough, betrayal and Nazism.

        I have a question, what kind of Novorossians? Luhansk, who, for now, are holding right, Donetsk, where the "battalion" Vostok "is training intensively and Russian volunteers are mediocre at the airport, or Slavyansk, which is worthy of admiration, which stands like the French Imperial Guard at Waterloo?
        How, at the expense of throwing a son, as part of the army of the Russian Federation, into a mess, where against the army of Ukraine, there are several armed forces, without a single command and, I'm afraid, with unpredictable reaction? The referendum, by the way, was for federalization, and not for joining the Russian Federation. Well, where will we drop it? Or, perhaps, to drive yourself to intelligence yourself, for starters?
        3.y. My passed to DOSAAF on the right, today I received the driver. One and a half weeks for the medical board and stripping of tails in college, June 23, hello army, urgent. So that drinks , while for good luck, let it be, but will rest what , we will exchange it for Victory soldier , and let me be the first, not a son, a rookie, damn it, a hundred rubles loss.
    2. +4
      12 2014 June
      Quote: razv35
      And I would not want my son to go to war in Ukraine, and he would not go.

      And what do you think, as Velikoukr, that there is a battle for Ukraine ???
    3. 0
      12 2014 June
      Quote: razv35
      And I would not want my son to go to war in Ukraine, and he would not go. They voted for the collapse of the USSR-let them enjoy. Cover them all to the maximum, let them hammer each other. They are not used to it. Once already asked for help from Russia, they will ask and more .. Let them only mature, and independently
      Golden words, until they themselves mature, they will never understand that the Motherland is not a bandit "arrow. fool
  16. +6
    12 2014 June
    The article is so-so. The author is trying to pretend to be an analyst, but he obviously does it awkwardly. And Ukraine, excuse me, we do not need. A solid smut.
    1. +3
      12 2014 June
      so this is alarming! Dmitry Lekukh is a very competent author. Usually his articles are not in the eyebrow but in the eye. And then the dregs are complete!
  17. +4
    12 2014 June
    How do you want to believe that the militias in the southeast of Ukraine are not fighting in vain, peaceful Russian people are dying under shelling for a reason. That Putin has a "cunning plan" ... There is still hope. But Euro-Ukrainian? What kind of "non-humans" do you need to be in order to use artillery, including jet, and aviation against peaceful people? What kind of "non-humans" do you need to be to drive beardless youths into fratricidal slaughter? The power of years of propaganda! PS I read somewhere "America has invested 5 billion in the propaganda of its values, and Russia has invested 200 billion in the Ukrainian economy during the same time. It was not invested in that!"
  18. +4
    12 2014 June
    Bandera scientists invented a radar that accurately identifies other people's aircraft.
    The principle of action is simple: all the planes and helicopters that appear on the screen are aliens, because soon there will be no planes and helicopters in Ukraine at all.
    1. 0
      12 2014 June
      laughing
      Quote: alexneg
      Bandera scientists invented a radar that accurately identifies other people's aircraft.
      The principle of action is simple: all the planes and helicopters that appear on the screen are aliens, because soon there will be no planes and helicopters in Ukraine at all.
  19. +6
    12 2014 June
    to the author, do your business, don’t write nonsense anymore — Russia doesn’t have to send troops, but give tanks bmp, beta and a couple of zsu — this will not let us down. I don’t know what and what the authorities think about, but it’s just insulting and meaningless silence and inaction on our part
  20. +4
    12 2014 June
    enough to cover inaction - it’s not the battalions who ask for the fire, but the women and children who kill in their houses and on the streets and the Russian murderers are also released gas for free - is this not a betrayal ???
  21. Death to the Nazis
    +6
    12 2014 June
    Drove along Karachun and airs punitive. And then you can do politics. am
  22. +3
    12 2014 June
    Against whom to send troops, someone can tell me: against the "Natsiks", but the militia forces successfully deal with them, and the artillery inflicts irreparable damage, and it is difficult to oppose anything with MANPADS against aviation, but sometimes it works; to send troops against the "Kiev authorities", but everyone knows who they are, they will flee across the ocean at the moment and that troops should also be sent there; and after the introduction of troops, what will we get, but everyone knows what. Russia will be declared an aggressor and sanctions will be directed much more seriously and the damage will be for ten years, the people of Ukraine will be saved, but they will still consider only one enemy as an enemy and everyone knows whom, and even the United States and the EU together will not be able to raise the economy of Ukraine, and you want Russia to pull alone. So, those who ask to send troops to save Donbass can be equated with the enemies of the Motherland, because how can this "party" be won on the political "board", for this there are all the levers, including economic, and soon there will be informational ones. Yes, there are refugees, and there are many civilians killed, but everything would be even worse if Russia had brought in your troops right at the beginning of May.
  23. 0
    12 2014 June
    And I h.y. I for Putin, I believe he will rule. angry
    1. +4
      12 2014 June
      we would all have your faith ....
    2. +4
      12 2014 June
      Quote: andron72
      I believe Putin, he will resolve

      And if he doesn’t, then what about faith?
  24. Counter
    +3
    12 2014 June
    "And Ukraine, forgive me, we need everything."
    An interesting thought, creatively interpreting the drain of resistance in the east. At least "new"! For some reason, it seems to me that this is not the best idea to step on the same rake of my own history. Or the author of this "original thought" is simply not aware that Russophobia in Ukraine was not born there yesterday, and will not end tomorrow. But this “tomorrow” already today seems not at all welcoming for our country, given the policy that has begun to be pursued. And there is also such a general observation: a retreat NEVER saved the enemy from a further offensive! And in conclusion, the author has a simple question. The LPR again asked a number of countries yesterday to recognize their independence. But why not admit it? Because the already “fragile relationship” with “official Kiev” will deteriorate? And Uncle Sam will not be happy. Therefore, the relations with the official Kiev at our top suddenly began to be "very dear". Was Uncle Sam pleased with the annexation of Crimea? The West is not vindictive, just evil, and has a good memory. What is Ukraine to him without Crimea?
  25. +6
    12 2014 June
    Firstly, no one will argue with me here, and Putin and Lavrov have spoken about this more than once, the main task of the Russian Federation now is not to “take control” of certain areas of New Russia, but simply to stop violence against citizens throughout the Southeast.

    Since a military solution is impossible, it turns out that we have only economic leverage !?
    In this case, I don’t understand Gazprom’s game of cat and mouse? Turn off the gas and all!
    All these war games will drown in protests, it will be necessary to control the country and not to bomb the city!
  26. Maxpotan
    -3
    12 2014 June
    I wonder if those who are shouting about war here, why don't they volunteer? All the talkers are in the militia and no troops will be needed! "Putin didn’t vveeeel, Putin sliiiil ..." Trolls cannot sleep in the morning. ...
  27. +2
    12 2014 June
    controversial article ... but western Ukraine, Russia in any form is not needed - there are a lot of people who want to "profit" from the territory
  28. -3
    12 2014 June
    Putin knows best how to say so and will be, our business is to believe him.
    1. +3
      12 2014 June
      believe, but then judge by the result. And the result is either there or not.
      If the junta conquers Donbass, there will be no rational explanation for this. Only a betrayal not even of our "national interests", but of brave people who rebelled against the Natsiks that people were burned in Odessa.
  29. Fatum
    +2
    12 2014 June
    IMPOSING AND FORCING KIEV TO PEACE ... President Poroshenko, at the suggestion of Washington, is a master of putting up "smokescreens". Again - for the umpteenth time! - he announced his readiness for a dialogue with Donbass if the militias lay down their arms. He, apparently, really thinks that he has grabbed God by the beard and can godlessly lie to people and the world. He will not have faith until the ceasefire and the withdrawal of the punishers are stopped by him himself - personally! But this will not happen, and here's why. The future of Ukraine has already been definitively determined - an American protectorate. To do this, Petro Poroshenko needs to "pacify" Novorossiya as soon as possible. There is little choice here - either federalization, or Transnistria-2, or a total cleansing (squeezing out through the humcorridor) of the indigenous population, followed by the settlement of Westerners under the NATO "umbrella". We must hurry, on the nose of the third Maidan, when people will explode from the "charms" of European integration and IMF standards, a real economic collapse and a breakdown in Russian gas. No American or NATO assistance will save here, including the deployment of a naval base or missile defense in Odessa to replace the lost Sevastopol. In addition, the "fifth columns" of Tymoshenko and Yarosh will surely add fuel to the fire, especially during the elections of the new Verkhovna Rada. In general, wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge! That is why the overseas owners are rushing Poroshenko - in the near future, at any cost, crush Novorossia and begin to build a new-old Ukraine according to the patterns of American and European "values". However, it was smooth on paper ... It is unaware to all the "friends" of the Ukrainian people that the ninth wave of all the solidarity forces of the world headed by Russia is rising against them. PURPOSE ONE - IMPACT AND FORCE KIEV TO PEACE. AND SHE WILL BE ACHIEVED !!!
  30. tokin1959
    +3
    12 2014 June
    betrayal of such articles can not be justified.
    they wrote - smoked Obama will agree - we’ll take Alaska away, Merkelsha will also agree - he will hear the clang of caterpillars of our tanks in Berlin again, and why do we need Berlin — we will roll out all the tanks to Lisbon.
    And the Russians are choking with blood in the southeast of Ukraine - in vain you started this, and all right, continue until you are killed there and the population is driven into the filtration camps, anyway, in the fall, the junta will be bullied.
    Every day, such articles began to appear.
    no need to keep the people for fools and betray betrayal for wise politics.
    minus.
  31. +5
    12 2014 June
    And Putin is not silent, he says so, we will help the Ukrainian PARTNERS (Poroshenko). And the fact that everyone here thinks out on their own is just your speculation. There is no need to ascribe to him something that does not exist in reality. A man to the marrow of his bones is a merchant, as they say "business is nothing personal." Judge by deeds, not words. Is it not early to make a cult out of him?
  32. efrd
    0
    12 2014 June
    Here it is, real freedom in Russian! The National Search of all the inhabitants of our state walks freely on the Internet. You just look at http://ruspeople.info This is outrageous! Personally, I found complete, and most importantly, reliable information, also on relatives.
  33. +5
    12 2014 June
    Yes, GDP does everything right. why do we need a second afghanistan?
    1. +1
      12 2014 June
      Do you seriously think that a second Afghanistan is possible in Ukraine? and you accidentally do not scare yourself at night that, for example, Sauron would intercede for the junta, or Darth Vader was walking around Kiev, most likely the imperial fleet was hanging in orbit, directly opposite the ISS.
  34. Grandfather Victor
    +1
    12 2014 June
    Yes, he is not silent - for gas trading! Politics is a concentrated expression of economics, as Comrade said. Lenin.
    1. +6
      12 2014 June
      It’s more like not humiliation, but humiliation ... moreover, humiliation of Russia. I can no longer calmly look at it. am
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        Objectively speaking, Miller is much smarter than Sold and Yaytsenyuha.
        Gazprom provokes Naftogaz with its discount offers. Any discounts are given and withdrawn unilaterally.
        Naftogaz wants a new contract, with a new price formula ...
        Miller's task is to discredit Naftogaz in the eyes of Europe as an unreliable partner. He does not want to negotiate.
        1. 0
          12 2014 June
          Quote: coolvoldik
          Gazprom provokes Naftogaz with its discount offers. Any discounts are given and withdrawn unilaterally.

          The discount used to be given to Ukraine for non-aligned status and now it is not. It turns out as an ally or neutral with Belarus, if the discount conditions are violated, the price immediately rises to the market. They will bargain for a long time, because the discount will be loyalty to the one who provided it.
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  35. +2
    12 2014 June
    Or can we accumulate strength? And then how ....! That is only without childhood surprise. laughing
  36. +1
    12 2014 June
    "the big fight is going on far not only over these, undoubtedly, important for Russia and heroic areas"

    Here, the true cause of the entire mess in the Southeast is reflected most closely, in short, then redistribution
  37. 0
    12 2014 June
    It is necessary to give modern weapons to Novorossia, so that they bombed Kiev, the Rada. Let the fascists run from there.
  38. +3
    12 2014 June
    In general, an interesting thing is the human thing, psychology, I remember comments from the time of the Olympic Games like "I was not a fan of Putin, but I had respect for him, I never belonged to Putin, etc." I was and remained that way, I organized a magnificent show for the electorate so that the electorate was satisfied, now football in Brazil is also a good thing to divert the eyes, then the World Cup in the same football in Russia, and now there is a "cunning plan" in the break. I would like to appeal to people, people, be consistent in your beliefs and do not change them if, relatively speaking, you were given a cockerel on a stick
    1. tokin1959
      +5
      12 2014 June
      many respected GDP after Crimea.
      but the drain of New Russia will not be forgiven if it still will be.
      the junta has already used phosphorus bombs against Slavyansk, it is getting impudent every day.
      blood flows in rivers, there is no help with weapons, in a word - no, but do people still have a conviction? - Oh, what a sweetie, I gave the Olympics a colorful one.
  39. +2
    12 2014 June
    Well, let’s say, the economy will be covered (it has not yet reached the indicators of the times of the Union) of Ukraine by autumn, so what? What reason to think that ALL Ukraine after that will rush into our arms?
  40. +5
    12 2014 June
    Tell me, has Russia AT LEAST SOMETHING? Humanitarian corridors - NO! Ceasefire - NO! Negotiations - NO! Our leadership is worthless at this stage! Putin - let's close your "cunning plan", and get the "normal" one - which will really save civilian lives ...
  41. +4
    12 2014 June
    I read this opinion article and I had even more questions than before reading.
    First, correct me in case of bewilderment, the author seems to be absolutely sure that the "light at the end of the Ukrainian tunnel" is very pink. The economy will collapse, the shells will run out and Pedro Potroshenko will have to flee from the anger of, say, Pravosek and Svidomo, but so far a quiet Ukrainian.
    If I were the Main NATO member, then I would continue to send dry rations, shells, rifles, and advisers to the square. And I would do it - not looking at the price! And a year, and two, and five ... Because Russia says that this disgrace in the SE must be finished. And what a disgrace for Russia, it’s a bun with pavidl for the Main NATO.
    Now explain to me how the severe endurance of Russian state husbands will help them in this case take over ALL of Ukraine? I’m looking at Palestine. They put her in the ass, and she has been demanding an independent state for decades! Afghanistan is an example of how to establish a permanent training ground in a country. Well, we have not finished talking about Syria.
    My question is simple. IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE ANY PART OF UKRAINE WITHOUT MILITARY CONFRONTATION WITH THE UKRAINIAN ARMY? And let's not discuss Crimea. Because (1) there was already a military base of Russia and (2) Ukrainian pilots did not bomb there.
    Finally, I still admit my incompetence in matters of public administration. And therefore, I will be glad if all this silent muttering is some kind of outright fucking plan! Like the fact that Gazprom will pump gas for Ukraine. But, for example, sarin.
  42. yacht
    +8
    12 2014 June
    It seems that Uncle Sam pinched Faberge's eggs from Putin, clung tightly to them and hurt the bastard. Here Putin is not up to the southeast of Ukraine. Otherwise, it is difficult to explain such a drastic change in Putin’s behavior, but what these eggs are like ... maybe some kind of killer dirt was leaked to Uncle Sam on Putin.

    PS Yesterday I watched the news, the question of gas ... it was disgusting to watch Putin ingratiatingly call the Kiev junta partners and clients who I would not want to lose. Well, the question of prepayment was again postponed. I got a $ 100 junta discount but I’m fighting for more and I’m not sure that Putin can stand it.
    Mister president can stop bending ?! Self-esteem must be. Not for Putin, it’s a shame for the power
    1. 0
      12 2014 June
      About Faberge agree. It seems that the sanctions still apply.
    2. Dracula
      0
      12 2014 June
      * I can’t say, but for that I hear I saw a rat becoming a mouse ... * Sergey Shnurov. But even a rat cornered is deadly dangerous. Obama has not in vain begun to deal with dumbbells, and is afraid of strengthening the buttocks.
  43. -2
    12 2014 June
    And who drew attention to refugees from Ukraine? Healthy men are leaving! I thought they were taking their families away, and they were returning. Yeah, now! Border guards said about 15 thousand left, and a couple of cars returned back! And you say why the troops do not enter!
  44. 0
    12 2014 June
    Higher mathematics of politics - this is not introducing troops into Ukraine to achieve its full accession to Russia, we can not take Galicia.
    1. 0
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Minsky
      And who drew attention to refugees from Ukraine? Healthy men are leaving! I thought they were taking their families away, and they were returning. Yeah, now! Border guards said about 15 thousand left, and a couple of cars returned back! And you say why the troops do not enter!

      Turned ... We already have these men ...
      1. +1
        12 2014 June
        Quote: Yapet100
        Quote: Minsky
        And who drew attention to refugees from Ukraine? Healthy men are leaving! I thought they were taking their families away, and they were returning. Yeah, now! Border guards said about 15 thousand left, and a couple of cars returned back! And you say why the troops do not enter!

        Turned ... We already have these men ...
        And where is the FSB, where is the filtration, families are running not only militias, but also PSov. Yesterday I stole refugees during the interior. Babylon is continuous. Why the militias do not inspect cars with children, where is the guarantee that Yarosh’s earcaps will not take advantage of this moment.
    2. +1
      12 2014 June
      Quote: Thought Giant
      Higher mathematics

      Not for threes.
  45. +2
    12 2014 June
    Quote: Igor39
    Why is there no support now?

    Because Russia is sold ....
  46. +8
    12 2014 June
    Therefore, our dear DPR and LPR (especially Igor Strelkov), when they burn you with phosphorus and poison with chemical weapons, kill your children with the Hail, then read Bondarev "The battalions are asking for fire", and don't touch Russia, We think about Gaza!
  47. +2
    12 2014 June
    I also believe that Ukraine, as an ally, we need all. Otherwise, we get another bleeding wound at our borders. Only today it is much more difficult to implement than yesterday.
    Now, about the belief in Putin's words that “we don’t give up our own” .... I’m not going to judge those who believed him and his regular provocateurs such as Zhirinovsky and Kurginyan. But the people who believed them were "surrendered" to the Banderaites even before they crossed the Ukrainian border.
    It was clear to me already in April. Discussing the article "Putin will take possession of the planet without war" on April 18, I wrote: "I wonder for what buns our leaders have already surrendered the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine with a pro-Russian-minded population to the United States? Maybe for the fact that their names were not included in the Magnitsky list ? "
    Maybe people who responded to the call to protect the population of the eastern regions of Ukraine from Bandera understood this before, I will not argue. Only now those who believe Putin’s promises will be even fewer.
  48. 0
    12 2014 June
    Quote: Igarr
    There is no time to tell him.
    There, Miller and the Minister of Energy together can’t defeat Sold. The whole delegation was sent to persuade an abnormal one.

    Believe me, Miller does not need a solution to the dispute with Prodan now.
    All he needs to do is keep Europe in good shape. To push through the construction of the gas pipeline.
    And the military conflict between the west and east of Ukraine contributes to this.
  49. +4
    12 2014 June
    Quote: Giant thought
    Higher mathematics of politics - this is not introducing troops into Ukraine to achieve its full accession to Russia, we can not take Galicia.

    Ek you my friend dreamed! Putin even does not want to save Novorossia yet, but you started talking about the whole of Dill! It is a pity, gracious sovereign, but our king-father closed his mouth, and is silent for now, as he took water in his mouth ...
  50. +1
    12 2014 June
    Article minus. Because only the entry of our troops will put a rapid end to violence. Termination of the active phase of the ATO by the junta will transfer it to a sluggish sostoyanii.Poluchitsya a kind of sadism, when people will be poisoned and destroyed for a long time, although not as intricate as now, without "Grad" and howitzers, but the effect will be the same - death of our people. And if we don't want casualties from the civilian population, why did they take Crimea and provoke people? gave hope? In general, one more attempt to justify the inaction of the guarantor by far-fetched pretexts.
  51. +3
    12 2014 June
    I am amused by this pseudo-state pacifism with high-brow stupidity and lack of simple logic... our task is not to bring it under control, but to stop violence... The most quickly and effectively stops violence is a combat-ready, modern army introduced on time into territories that are only potentially subject to army violence alien side. No one in the Russian Federation knew that the Huntonoids would put the South-East under the hammer? Everyone knew from the very beginning... . There was a gap in time when our troops could stand there and everyone would sit quietly only because territories were being broken off too quickly... and they were not ready to fight with the Russian Federation, but the GDP is interested in the faucet in Westernism, which Russia loses in any case, in any situation and with any effort and while his advisers were chewing snot, blood flowed like a river, the huntonoid troops were put under control and what kind of trouble with him and in what way, but they did it.. now they shoot, and we watch.. now forge- Kiev will push through trade agreements on gas through the GDP and our troops will no longer be on the territory of the Ukrainians in general, even potentially, and NATO will be there even without the deployment of Russian troops on the territory of the Ukrainians and all because of that non-intervention and cowardice will lose ALL their hard earned gains. The Russian Federation was not going to put the UKRA under control... it was put under the control of the states instead and the Russian Federation did nothing despite the fact that it could have done everything. There are a huge number of questions about GDP. Just as his rating is now in the sky, so it will be below the plinth and then this whole pacifist club of high-brow humanitarians will start singing when, as a result of this, Ukraine’s problem with blood will be exported to the Russian Federation. These are some of the things that GDP needs to think about...Now and Immediately.
  52. +3
    12 2014 June
    1. Without information support, “pro-Russian” forces are losing in Ukraine (the threat of genocide and just fear, there is no tide of wavering)
    2. Without a clear strategic line expressed by the President, there is a loss of trust of the Russian population and an increase in sabotage in the Government. The rise of "Swamp". Voice at least a preliminary plan to restore trust and support!

    Regarding the first Question: A balloon in Crimea at an altitude of about two kilometers will make it possible to restore broadcasting of Russian channels and VHF-FM radio stations throughout almost all of Ukraine,
    The greatest information effect: music and information in vehicles.
    An example of a finished version http://rosaerosystems.ru/aero/obj16
    1. tokin1959
      +1
      12 2014 June
      what balloon?
      There are still no Russian telecom operators in Crimea.
      Communication and internet are provided by Ukropiya.
      and periodically cut off communications with Russia.
      If necessary, they will turn it off altogether.
      Apparently our operators were afraid of sanctions and did not open base stations.
      1. 0
        12 2014 June
        Put a transmitter on the balloon - So much for TV channels and VHF, fuck the operators!
  53. +2
    12 2014 June
    Help))) Help is provided to a friendly political regime. The new Kiev government is clearly not friendly to us. Moreover, our government behaves as if they are responsible for the Ukrainian people. Sorry, but the Ukrainians sought independence, they wanted it. They are now another independent state, but when you look at the rhetoric of the authorities, you get the feeling that we are talking about a union Republic. Why has Russia been sponsoring them for 20 years of independence? With discounts on gas, the same, in principle, pro-Russian Belarus has been repeatedly denied a discount. Where is the logic? And the stronger the anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine, the more concessions there were from Russia. Does our government not understand that in interstate relations this is at all times regarded not as kindness, but as a sign of weakness? So they made concessions. The West decided that Russia would swallow this time too, and gave the go-ahead to Maidan. I am not for sending troops into the territory of Ukraine, the situation is not the same now. But we need to pursue a more pragmatic and tough policy. On the gas they even coo with them. Every week there is a new delay. And so 3 years passed. There are also seams on the banks. Here is some news - the “subsidiary” banks of the Russian Sberbank and VTB are underwriters, i.e. are involved in the sale of Ukrainian military loan bonds to investors and the population, I didn’t believe it at first. The idea that subsidiaries of Russian financial giants are involved in financing the punitive operation in the Donbass is hard to wrap my head around." I followed the links in the article - MOSCOW, May 30 - RIA Novosti. The Ministry of Finance of Ukraine begins placing bonds to support the country's armed forces, with primary dealers at The placement includes subsidiaries of the largest Russian banks, as follows from the department’s message.
    Here is a list of banks issuing war bonds from the website of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine:
    1 AT “Oschadbank”;

    2 AT “Ukreksim Bank”;

    3 JSB “Ukrgasbank”;

    4 AT “UkrSibbank”;

    5 PAT "Yerste Bank";

    6 AT “Sberbank ROSIN”;

    7 AT “OTP Bank”;

    8 AT "Delta Bank";

    9 AT Raiffeisen Bank Aval;

    10 PAT "VTB Bank";

    11 PJSC Universal Bank;

    12 ВАТ UniCredit Bank;

    13 PAT "Citibank";

    14 PAT "KB" NADRA ";

    15 PAT "ING Bank Ukraine";

    16 PAT KB Khreschatyk;

    17 PAT "FUIB".

    Interesting position. From high stands we demand to stop the ATO and we feed the Ukrainian warriors with our financial hand.
  54. Ivan 63
    0
    12 2014 June
    This is a technical issue, a political solution is needed, although I think no one bothers the enthusiasts, although it doesn’t help financially, but we are all convinced that information is a huge power - the collapse of the Union is in everyone’s memory and only very recently the media responsible did not begin to spread rot interests of Russia.
  55. yurik
    +1
    12 2014 June
    the violence of the ukrofashists must be responded to with violence against them, and not with diplomatic demagoguery about an early ceasefire, because Kyiv understands only the arguments of weapons, without which Poroshenko openly begins to spit on Putin
  56. cthutq
    -1
    12 2014 June
    Quote: tokin1959
    oh, what a sweetheart, he gave me a colorful Olympics.

    Yeah, he gave it to me, at our own expense.
  57. 0
    12 2014 June
    I came across the article, let’s see how correct the conclusions are...

    The offensive will begin on June 14

    For some reason, train tickets are not being sold in Donetsk today for June 14-18. All officials loyal to the Junta were advised to remove their families from the city by June 14. At least a thousand militants from elite fascist units have been gathering at the airport for the third week and sitting quietly - like mice under a broom.
    If anyone doesn’t know, Western media correspondents are leaving Donetsk. Purely military news people remain - the writing fraternity is being recalled.
    Quite “by chance”, at the same time the arrival of the first battalion of volunteer mercenaries recruited in Europe was announced in the battle zone (We are looking forward to it!). This is approximately the same optimal time for Poroshenko - during the de jure and de facto time in the chair of the President and the Supreme, he will have time to get up to speed and place his executors, and his enthusiastic one will just begin to lose patience in anticipation of obvious successes on the fronts. And this is important - without the million-headed support of his herd, even with billions of loans, Poroshenko will not last long - they will devour his own.
    So the two-month anniversary of the official start of the punitive operation in the South-East will be marked by the beginning of the “final phase of the ATO.” Not the first and not the last. But the most ruthless, with the massive use of multiple launch rocket systems and artillery in cities, with tank attacks and air raids. With thousands of victims in the ranks of cannon fodder and civilians who did not flee from the cities and villages of the future New Russia. Where to run if you still have to attack later!?
    But Russia still won’t send in troops. Don't get your hopes up. However, it will not be possible to capture Slavyansk either. We will have to rebuild this new hero city. Just like after the Germans in Kharkov and Stalingrad, there will be no whole buildings left there. And in a year the population of Lvov will repeat in horror: “What have you done!?”
    But it will be too late
  58. 0
    12 2014 June
    To hell with him, with Putin, let him remain silent. And there is never any need to send in troops. Let them silently, from abroad, fire some kind of missiles at the Ukrainian “graduates” on Karachun. Silently, some SU-25 without identification marks will destroy a couple of military airfields. And just as silently, without saying a word, some kind of rocket without identification marks will fly into the government quarter of Kuev. No words needed. “You will know him by his deeds, not by his words” (c)
  59. -2
    12 2014 June
    It feels like we are responsible for the mistakes of all those who seem to be our friends. Only we are not responsible for the decisions that the country and people of Ukraine have made over the last 23 years while they are Free from the occupiers of the USSR!!!
    We are not the ones who are shooting at civilians now, we were not the ones who plundered their factories and country, we were not the ones who exploited and modernized the coal mines, we were not the ones who voted or simply did not go to the polls because we were lazy. They are a sovereign state to which Russia gave a loan of 3 billion dollars. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without any conditions, it’s not a million from the Amers in exchange loans or a loan from the IMF when, in essence, the country is in external management, it’s Russia that has been subsidizing Ukraine all this time, we deliberately did not redirect all the potential to our own development, for our own complete independence, but cooperated with the defense industry of Ukraine and, in fact, were their only buyer of high-tech products!!!
    Stop reproaching what we owe and what we owe. When everything is good, then for some reason we are not their brothers, but like winter and nada shara, we are their beloved brothers.
    You have to answer for your decisions. Russia hasn’t abandoned anyone, but I don’t want my taxes to go towards some Ukrainian Alligarch laundering money and living in Monte Carlo.
    And if they start shooting at children on the streets of my city, I will be the first to take a pitchfork. I know there are no other people’s children, but for a minute there are not 100 thousand of them there, Ukraine has a population of 40 million who are able to sort out their desires!
    I repeat, we never abandoned anyone, they turned away from us) and it’s not appropriate to spit on an outstretched helping hand!
    1. +1
      12 2014 June
      We are twice to blame:
      The first time, knowing full well and not even objecting for 23 years, we admitted that in all countries of the post-Soviet space they distort history, starting with school textbooks, demonizing Russians and the USSR (and therefore Russia as the legal successor) - the USSR, which without any Marshall's plans raised their industry either from the ruins of the Second World War or from feudalism to the level of industrialized countries.

      And the second time, when Putin publicly declared: “We are not abandoning our own,” and then quietly kept silent about Odessa and Kramatorsk and Krasny Liman, and now about Semyonovka, pretending to be actively concerned about gas for Ukraine.
  60. +1
    12 2014 June
    Quote: mahaon
    It feels like we are responsible for the mistakes of all those who seem to be our friends. Only we are not responsible for the decisions that the country and people of Ukraine have made over the last 23 years while they are Free from the occupiers of the USSR!!!
    We are not the ones who are shooting at civilians now, we were not the ones who plundered their factories and country, we were not the ones who exploited and modernized the coal mines, we were not the ones who voted or simply did not go to the polls because we were lazy. They are a sovereign state to which Russia gave a loan of 3 billion dollars. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! without any conditions, it’s not a million from the Amers in exchange loans or a loan from the IMF when, in essence, the country is in external management, it’s Russia that has been subsidizing Ukraine all this time, we deliberately did not redirect all the potential to our own development, for our own complete independence, but cooperated with the defense industry of Ukraine and, in fact, were their only buyer of high-tech products!!!
    Stop reproaching what we owe and what we owe. When everything is good, then for some reason we are not their brothers, but like winter and nada shara, we are their beloved brothers.
    You have to answer for your decisions. Russia hasn’t abandoned anyone, but I don’t want my taxes to go towards some Ukrainian Alligarch laundering money and living in Monte Carlo.
    And if they start shooting at children on the streets of my city, I will be the first to take a pitchfork. I know there are no other people’s children, but for a minute there are not 100 thousand of them there, Ukraine has a population of 40 million who are able to sort out their desires!
    I repeat, we never abandoned anyone, they turned away from us) and it’s not appropriate to spit on an outstretched helping hand!
    Here it is, the fifth column in all its glory. All that remains is to throw out the cry “there’s nothing to feed...” and there will be a complete picture, a complete set of cliches.
  61. Vladimir I
    0
    12 2014 June
    Residents of the southeast and volunteers are being burned and bombed.
    But Putin has been silent for more than a month.
    Silence is gold, its gold and those closest to it.
    How smart. What a strategist.

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