Ukrainian "Oplot", delivery to Thailand bluff?




Three months ago, all Ukrainian media enthusiastically wrote about a tender for the supply of 200 won in Thailand tanks "Hold". They watered the Russian T-90 with slops, and made all the gestures laid out in this case. Three months have passed. The only link found is on some Thai yellow leaf. There is no information on the contract to this day. Director Malyshev Borisyuk removed from office.

By the way, "Oplot" was created within the framework of the USSR program "Improvement-88". 23 th year improve.

I would still like to find out how long people will be fed with fairy tales? A new tank for 1,15 million dollars you can buy except in a dream. As well as to collect money for the construction of the Ukrainian corvette throughout Ukraine, offering to give part of the salary.

For reference. The Ministry of Defense placed an order for the manufacture of 10 tanks at the Malyshev plant. The cost of the contract, which was concluded in the spring of 2009, is 295 million UAH (37 million dollars). 3,7 million bucks for a tank is already a super-corruption (according to experts, the cost of a tank on the Ukrainian market is 1,7 million dollars !!!). And for Thailand 1,15mln ?! Rave.

Similarly, with plans to build a terminal for receiving liquefied gas or the development of shale gas. How long will the Ukrainian authorities live by fantasy and feed people with tales?

Returning to the tanks I want to ask. How can you compare the 10 produced by Ukraine for the 11 years of "Strongholds" with thousands of only T-90 sold abroad. This is not counting the incoming troops. Russia, after all, according to SIPRI, ranks first in the world in terms of tanks sold.

What is happening in Ukraine? Well-organized collapse with the subsequent distribution of pieces of the motherland to all wishing neighbors?
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  1. ren45
    ren45 15 June 2011 11: 01 New
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    The defense industry in Ukraine is collapsing at a pace that is not inferior to Russian. -removed. About modernization: T-90 is also not a boy. On paper, Oplot is more perfect, in terms of performance characteristics it exceeds T-90. In a real battle, neither one nor the other tanks took part, so talking about real possibilities is not correct. By the way, not Oplot participated in the tender, but Oplot-M; this is a slightly different car. The photo depicts just the old "Bastions". Thailand has signed 100 vehicles, and in addition to the already delivered ones, a hundred BTR-3E1.
  2. Superduck
    Superduck 15 June 2011 11: 03 New
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    What the author wanted to say. That Oplot-removed swearing- and 90C is our everything, so let it work with TTX and equipment and not with the size of the series, according to its logic the T55 is cooler than the T90 because the series is 2000 times bigger ...
    And the fact that he was silent on the Taiwan issue, he correctly remarked, however, there were no denials from either the Ukrainian defense export or the Thai Ministry of Defense, such contracts are not signed in a month and of course no one can guarantee that it can be signed at all.
    The author poured a stream of consciousness, unrelated sentences. Mike, go to the dohtor. This is not an article!
    1. Smirnov Vadim 15 June 2011 11: 11 New
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      This is not an article, this is an opinion.

      And the cost of the tank does not bother you?
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 15 June 2011 11: 22 New
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        There were different opinions in the press about the number, including 100 cars, which gives about the desired price of about 3 million. In general, how much can we talk about when the author himself indicated that the Bangkok Post (the primary source of information) operated only with rumors (and did not hide it) and in general this newspaper is no more official than MK in Russia. In general, this amount I know where it came from, I’ll tell you. Thailand has a program to modernize the ground forces for up to a year (open information can be found in the press), which involves the allocation of this amount ($ 231,1 million) to replace the M41A3, which are exactly 200 in service, hence 200 tanks appear. The authors of the original article from Bangkok decided that there would be a 1: 1 replacement, which is not entirely logical, as the class of cars seems to be different, I think it's obvious to everyone.
        There is no contract in nature, and not even as far as I know the protocol of intent. Ukroboronexport, as you can see, doesn’t merge preliminary agreements with the press, at least according to its latest armored contracts, there were no leaks before signing the contracts.
        In general, Thailand is a very corrupt country, so if you sign a contract, you can expect any oddities with price, quantity and timing. Moreover, there is an opinion that this drain was undertaken in order to put pressure on the same Koreans with their panther during the bidding process. However, the position of Ukraine in the Thai market is very strong, they already ordered the Ukrainian BTR-3E1, while recently they ordered another 121 vehicles, i.e. We are satisfied with the cooperation in theory.
    2. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 27 July 2011 15: 27 New
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      There are articles here frankly not professional. This is one of those. As the saying goes, I heard a ringing .......
      Thousands of T-90s are bluffs. The media reported that a total of 600 were sold with a tail of tanks, including the T-90, along with others (mainly T-72). But the fact that this is the first place in the world is for sure. Oia is not inclined to divide the tanks into Ukrainian and Russian, all this is a Soviet design school. And the lack of funding could ruin this school. And if things are bad in Russia in this area, then in Ukraine it is even worse.
  3. smk
    smk 15 June 2011 16: 53 New
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    Was in the state enterprise "Oktyabrsk" Specialized seaport "with me under the escort shipped Oplot tanks to Thailand, article breeed ...
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 15 June 2011 17: 11 New
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      Are you sure that these were Bastions and not the 72nd in Ethiopia? No, I do not blame you for lying, just damn interesting, the first time I hear it. Surely the plant was able to produce them so quickly, although of course they could fuse those 10 pieces that MOU did not buy.
    2. slan
      slan 15 June 2011 20: 30 New
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      Which agency can I refer to? QMS - the service of mudatsky comments?
      According to the information of the QMS agency, in the Oktyabrsk GP, Oplot tanks are shipped to Thailand under escort.))
    3. Black moozungoo
      Black moozungoo 6 January 2012 19: 05 New
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      Not Bastions and not to Thailand.
  4. 333
    333 16 June 2011 14: 27 New
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    slan - - deleted - do not listen to him.
  5. smk
    smk 17 June 2011 12: 33 New
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    I write what I saw and what I asked the port authorities (I was on my own business, state procurement).
    There is no need to scream and crucify, you can believe me, you can not, it's your choice.
    1. slan
      slan 17 June 2011 21: 45 New
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      You should not simply assert, in turn, that the article is "breaded." It is strange that no one paid attention to such a landmark contract for Kharkiv residents. The noise was really exclusively around the intentions to conclude a contract, there was no reliable information about the conclusion of the contract, and especially the supply. Secrecy?)) I'm just really curious if someone is really ready to invest money, and not small ones, to buy non-serial equipment from an unstable state. So I would not buy a foreign car, produced in the amount of 100 pieces, what should I do with it after it turns out that the engine has a resource of 1000 km in real conditions?
      1. Superduck
        Superduck 20 June 2011 10: 26 New
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        If the engine is run on another technique, then I don’t see a problem. And the 6TD was run on a run such that the T90 never dreamed of. Well, since you apparently had in mind not specifically the engine, but in general everything, then perhaps yes, there is a risk. On the other hand, remind me what was the circulation of the T90 when its Indians began to buy? On the other hand, the Thai tender was not a tender, but a pullback auction, I never heard of the tests (but not the fact that they weren’t). So if it does burn out, then I will be happy for the Kharkiv and Thais, well, good luck, it will be their choice, they’ll just be rolled into them :-)
        1. slan
          slan 21 June 2011 00: 02 New
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          That’s the point, there’s nothing to roll back. What is the cost of piece production? How did the resource of Lada engines differ from Fiat, or even the first copecks while the Italians set up production? At times, although the drawings seem to be the same, and the culture of production at the VAZ is no-one, but it was and is. And most importantly, the issue of service and warranty. What can Ukraine guarantee? What is a series of 100 pieces? To whom to make claims and who will correct the marriage when a literally unique specialist will break uncle Vasya with sciatica, and Mikhalych will finally suck? There is nothing to compare with the T-90. If 15 years ago someone had invested in Kharkov at least a couple of times less money than the Indians in the T-90, there would be something to think about. Would you buy a car without service for hard money, so that a potential bankrupt company would test it for you? Maybe in Thailand and mismanagement, but not to the same extent. Or before that?
          1. Superduck
            Superduck 21 June 2011 10: 45 New
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            Quote: slan
            That's the point, there's nothing to roll back

            How can you know that, even arms market analysts only speculate about the amount and series?
            Quote: slan
            And most importantly, the issue of service and warranty.

            The plant in Thailand has opened an APC service center, therefore it has a competitive advantage on the issue of service.
            Quote: slan
            What can Ukraine guarantee?

            I did not understand in what section the question lies, but I hear a certain bias. Still, not a single contract of HZTM has been disrupted, although almost all had problems.
            Quote: slan
            If only 15 years ago someone invested in Kharkov at least a couple of times less money than the Indians in the T-90, there would be something to think about.

            You probably don’t own the question at all, if you were interested you would know that in 1996 Pakistan ordered 320 T-80UD tanks in Kharkov in the amount of $ 650 million in Kharkov. This was the very financing and financing not for eating from the state but for production. For these grandmothers, a national tank gun, SLA, several models of dynamic protection units were developed, a deep modification of 5 / 6TD engines was carried out, and much more.
            Quote: slan
            Would you buy a car without service for hard money, so that a potential bankrupt company would test it for you?

            Ukraine bankrupt? And depending on which car. People bought Opel in full, although it was bankrupt, and not only Opel. But neither the Malyshev Design Bureau, nor the Design Bureau of engine building is bankrupt, of course, the plant is in a difficult half-life, but almost only design office works in these contracts. The factory has been driving engines to China and Pakistan for hundreds of years.
            In short, slan, if you want to say that there is no life beyond the borders of Ukraine and Ukraine is stealing gas, then say so that I don’t lose time on you.
            1. svvaulsh
              svvaulsh 27 July 2011 15: 39 New
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              http://topwar.ru/5149-ukrainskiy-oplot-postavka-v-tailand-blef.html# Последняя фраза развеселила!
  6. slan
    slan 21 June 2011 20: 39 New
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    Quote: SuperDuck
    How can you know that, even arms market analysts only speculate about the amount and series?

    Well, sort of funny numbers are given, the rollback is not visible there. Anyway, with a small series that can be rolled back. At the same time, the prime cost is prohibitive, and you can’t declare all the same price as a leopard. That is the laws of the market that only strong or swindlers can dump.
    Quote: SuperDuck
    The plant in Thailand has opened an APC service center, therefore it has a competitive advantage on the issue of service.

    Oh yes)) Sorry, but the advantage is ridiculous. Service, in the sense of service, not a service station) Chinese cars also have them, but not service.
    Quote: SuperDuck
    I did not understand in what section the question lies, but I hear a certain bias. Still, not a single contract of HZTM has been disrupted, although almost all had problems.

    You give money to a person only on the basis that he seems to be having problems, but has returned it to someone? We are again talking about different things. The Russian Federation has a much higher reserve, but in the arms market it loses a lot due to the low confidence in the Russian Federation. Ukraine- the state is extremely unstable, today there is a tank factory ..
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    You apparently do not own the question at all

    That's right. I am not interested in tank building. I don’t know what I’m crucifying about this topic) Of course, this information allows me to look at the contract with Thailand more optimistically.
    Quote: SuperDuck
    Ukraine bankrupt? And depending on which car. People bought Opel in full, although it was bankrupt, and not only Opel.

    Ukraine is not bankrupt, but potentially, especially a specific plant. And Opel is a brand of massive not so bad cars. Regardless of the welfare of the GMC, this brand will be, and spare parts even more so. Well, they will sell it to the Chinese or Russian ..
    In short, there is no life in the Russian Federation either, if this makes it easier for you))
    1. Superduck
      Superduck 22 June 2011 11: 39 New
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      Quote: slan
      You give money to a person only on the basis that he seems to be having problems, but has returned it to someone? We are again talking about different things. The Russian Federation has a much higher reserve, but in the arms market it loses a lot due to the low confidence in the Russian Federation. Ukraine- the state is extremely unstable, today there is a tank factory ..

      This is a political issue, let's not please.
      Quote: slan
      Oh yes)) Sorry, but the advantage is ridiculous. Service, in the sense of service, not a service station) Chinese cars also have them, but not service.

      You were there? And I know people who go there from the factory, and go to China. Everything is on a decent level there.
      Quote: slan
      In short, there is no life in the Russian Federation either, if this makes it easier for you))

      It’s not easier for me from this, but I’m in Russia because I can judge by my own opinion.
      1. slan
        slan 22 June 2011 22: 08 New
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        Quote: SuperDuck
        You were there? And I know people who go there from the factory, and go to China. Everything is on a decent level there.

        I didn’t know of course. You almost convinced me)) but returning to the meaning of the article, I am still more convinced that this contract is more nonsense than an article, it seems that this was discussed?
        Quote: SuperDuck
        It’s not easier for me from this, but I’m in Russia because I can judge by my own opinion.

        This is you, sorry, why?
        1. Superduck
          Superduck 23 June 2011 12: 05 New
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          Quote: slan
          that this contract is more nonsense than an article, it seems that this was a question?

          Well, I am not a supporter of the idea that this contract is signed, though I realize that there is no smoke without chasing. Plums such as an article in a Bangkok post also appear for a reason, there can be many reasons for the appearance of this article. One can guess endlessly, it can be either a bluff or not, since when information appeared in the press about the contract, no new information appeared, except for the post above about shipment of tanks, but they are not affected by anything and I think that this is most likely a mistake. Thus, for 2 months now there has simply been overflow from empty to empty, the author has shown bias and he seems to be poorer that there are facts or not, all that matters to him is that "Ukraine is bankrupt, they don’t know how and do not want to do tanks, and they themselves -Removed- .. "and then the standard theses from the Khokhlosrun dictionary.
          Returning to the note - the arguments in the article are completely absent, there is no logical connection between the theses either, most of the article does not concern the topic indicated in its title at all. I don’t see the point of discussing the article, it’s like discussing the void, the author is either not very smart or abuses, this one would have failed for another post in hohlosrach, but for the opinion - sorry ..
          Quote: slan
          This is you, sorry, why?

          Well, you asked about whether it will become easier for me because in Russia the same ass in this matter as in Ukraine, I said that it will not be easier for me, and in Russia I often go and I see all my asses and achievements eyes.
  7. slan
    slan 23 June 2011 22: 10 New
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    Quote: SuperDuck
    this one would fail for another post in hohlosrach, but to the opinion - sorry ..

    I do not agree, it seemed to me that the author from Ukraine does not pull at all. If this was written by a “Russian,” he would have laughed stupidly at Ukraine, but here a person is outraged by the authorities and no more. And IMHO this is an opinion that is extreme, one-sided .. but such a normal opinion is no worse than other opinions and yours, sorry, is also no worse. A person has a right to this, he asked, and how did the loud statements end, googled and spoke out.
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    Yes, and in Russia I am often and I see all assholes and achievements with my own eyes

    Well, it’s you who, just from the Khokhlosrach, dropped this phrase here, expert comparisons like just there in the subject)
    1. svvaulsh
      svvaulsh 27 July 2011 15: 43 New
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      Lovely scolding, just amuse!
  8. Garfild
    Garfild 14 August 2011 10: 56 New
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    Yes, not everything is so bad in Ukraine http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/index/lang/ru http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/catalogue/t/airdefence/lang/ru http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/catalogue/t/missile/lang/ru http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/catalogue/t/armor/lang/ru bully