Ukrainian Oplot, delivery to Thailand bluff?

Three months ago, all Ukrainian media enthusiastically wrote about a tender for the supply of 200 won in Thailand tanks "Hold". They watered the Russian T-90 with slops, and made all the gestures laid out in this case. Three months have passed. The only link found is on some Thai yellow leaf. There is no information on the contract to this day. Director Malyshev Borisyuk removed from office.

By the way, "Oplot" was created within the framework of the USSR program "Improvement-88". 23 th year improve.

I would still like to find out how long people will be fed with fairy tales? A new tank for 1,15 million dollars you can buy except in a dream. As well as to collect money for the construction of the Ukrainian corvette throughout Ukraine, offering to give part of the salary.

For reference. The Ministry of Defense placed an order for the manufacture of 10 tanks at the Malyshev plant. The cost of the contract, which was concluded in the spring of 2009, is 295 million UAH (37 million dollars). 3,7 million bucks for a tank is already a super-corruption (according to experts, the cost of a tank on the Ukrainian market is 1,7 million dollars !!!). And for Thailand 1,15mln ?! Rave.

Similarly, with plans to build a terminal for receiving liquefied gas or the development of shale gas. How long will the Ukrainian authorities live by fantasy and feed people with tales?

Returning to the tanks I want to ask. How can you compare the 10 produced by Ukraine for the 11 years of "Strongholds" with thousands of only T-90 sold abroad. This is not counting the incoming troops. Russia, after all, according to SIPRI, ranks first in the world in terms of tanks sold.

What is happening in Ukraine? Well-organized collapse with the subsequent distribution of pieces of the motherland to all wishing neighbors?

Comments

[ren45]

The defense in Ukraine is being destroyed at a rate that is in no way inferior to Russia's. -removed-. On modernization: the T-90 is not a boy either. On paper "Oplot" is more perfect, in terms of performance characteristics it surpasses the T-90. In a real battle, neither one nor the other tanks took part, so it is not correct to talk about real possibilities. By the way, it was not Oplot that took part in the tender, but Oplot-M, this is a slightly different machine. The photo shows just the old "strongholds". Thailand signed 100 vehicles, and in addition to the already delivered one hundred BTR-3E1.

[Superduck]

What the author wanted to say. That Oplot-removed swearing- and 90C is our everything, so let it work with TTX and equipment and not with the size of the series, according to its logic the T55 is cooler than the T90 because the series is 2000 times bigger ...
And the fact that he was silent on the Taiwan issue, he correctly remarked, however, there were no denials from either the Ukrainian defense export or the Thai Ministry of Defense, such contracts are not signed in a month and of course no one can guarantee that it can be signed at all.
The author poured a stream of consciousness, unrelated sentences. Mike, go to the dohtor. This is not an article!

[Smirnov Vadim]

This is not an article, this is an opinion.

And the cost of the tank does not bother you?

[Superduck]

There were different opinions in the press about the number, including 100 cars, which gives about the desired price of about 3 million. In general, how much can we talk about when the author himself indicated that the Bangkok Post (the primary source of information) operated only with rumors (and did not hide it) and in general this newspaper is no more official than MK in Russia. In general, this amount I know where it came from, I’ll tell you. Thailand has a program to modernize the ground forces for up to a year (open information can be found in the press), which involves the allocation of this amount ($ 231,1 million) to replace the M41A3, which are exactly 200 in service, hence 200 tanks appear. The authors of the original article from Bangkok decided that there would be a 1: 1 replacement, which is not entirely logical, as the class of cars seems to be different, I think it's obvious to everyone.
There is no contract in nature, and not even as far as I know the protocol of intent. Ukroboronexport, as you can see, doesn’t merge preliminary agreements with the press, at least according to its latest armored contracts, there were no leaks before signing the contracts.
In general, Thailand is a very corrupt country, so if you sign a contract, you can expect any oddities with price, quantity and timing. Moreover, there is an opinion that this drain was undertaken in order to put pressure on the same Koreans with their panther during the bidding process. However, the position of Ukraine in the Thai market is very strong, they already ordered the Ukrainian BTR-3E1, while recently they ordered another 121 vehicles, i.e. We are satisfied with the cooperation in theory.

[svvaulsh]

There are articles here frankly not professional. This is one of those. As the saying goes, I heard a ringing .......
Thousands of T-90s are bluffs. The media reported that a total of 600 were sold with a tail of tanks, including the T-90, along with others (mainly T-72). But the fact that this is the first place in the world is for sure. Oia is not inclined to divide the tanks into Ukrainian and Russian, all this is a Soviet design school. And the lack of funding could ruin this school. And if things are bad in Russia in this area, then in Ukraine it is even worse.

[smk]

I was in the state enterprise "Oktyabrsk" Specialized seaport "while I was under escort, Oplot tanks were shipped to Thailand, article breeeeed ...

[Superduck]

Are you sure that these were Bastions and not the 72nd in Ethiopia? No, I do not blame you for lying, just damn interesting, the first time I hear it. Surely the plant was able to produce them so quickly, although of course they could fuse those 10 pieces that MOU did not buy.

[slan]

Which agency can I refer to? QMS - the service of mudatsky comments?
According to the QMS agency, Oplot tanks are being shipped to Thailand under escort at the Oktyabrsk State Enterprise.))

[Black moozungoo]

Not Bastions and not to Thailand.

[333]

slan - - deleted - do not listen to him.

[smk]

I write what I saw and what I asked the port authorities (I was on my own business, state procurement).
There is no need to scream and crucify, you can believe me, you can not, it's your choice.

[slan]

You shouldn't have simply argued that the article is "breeder". It is strange that no one paid attention to the contract so significant for the Kharkovites. The noise was really only around the intentions to conclude a contract, there was no reliable information about the conclusion of the contract, and even more so the supplies. Secrecy?)) I'm just really curious if someone is really willing to invest money, and not small, to buy non-serial equipment from an unstable state. So I would not buy a foreign car, produced in the amount of 100 pieces, what to do with it after it turns out that the engine has a resource of 1000 km in real conditions?

[Superduck]

If the engine is run on another technique, then I don’t see a problem. And the 6TD was run on a run such that the T90 never dreamed of. Well, since you apparently had in mind not specifically the engine, but in general everything, then perhaps yes, there is a risk. On the other hand, remind me what was the circulation of the T90 when its Indians began to buy? On the other hand, the Thai tender was not a tender, but a pullback auction, I never heard of the tests (but not the fact that they weren’t). So if it does burn out, then I will be happy for the Kharkiv and Thais, well, good luck, it will be their choice, they’ll just be rolled into them :-)

[slan]

That’s the point, there’s nothing to roll back. What is the cost of piece production? How did the resource of Lada engines differ from Fiat, or even the first copecks while the Italians set up production? At times, although the drawings seem to be the same, and the culture of production at the VAZ is no-one, but it was and is. And most importantly, the issue of service and warranty. What can Ukraine guarantee? What is a series of 100 pieces? To whom to make claims and who will correct the marriage when a literally unique specialist will break uncle Vasya with sciatica, and Mikhalych will finally suck? There is nothing to compare with the T-90. If 15 years ago someone had invested in Kharkov at least a couple of times less money than the Indians in the T-90, there would be something to think about. Would you buy a car without service for hard money, so that a potential bankrupt company would test it for you? Maybe in Thailand and mismanagement, but not to the same extent. Or before that?

[Superduck]

Quote: slan

That's the point, there's nothing to roll back

How can you know that, even arms market analysts only speculate about the amount and series?

Quote: slan

And most importantly, the issue of service and warranty.

The plant in Thailand has opened an APC service center, therefore it has a competitive advantage on the issue of service.

Quote: slan

What can Ukraine guarantee?

I did not understand in what section the question lies, but I hear a certain bias. Still, not a single contract of HZTM has been disrupted, although almost all had problems.

Quote: slan

If only 15 years ago someone invested in Kharkov at least a couple of times less money than the Indians in the T-90, there would be something to think about.

You probably don’t own the question at all, if you were interested you would know that in 1996 Pakistan ordered 320 T-80UD tanks in Kharkov in the amount of $ 650 million in Kharkov. This was the very financing and financing not for eating from the state but for production. For these grandmothers, a national tank gun, SLA, several models of dynamic protection units were developed, a deep modification of 5 / 6TD engines was carried out, and much more.

Quote: slan

Would you buy a car without service for hard money, so that a potential bankrupt company would test it for you?

Ukraine bankrupt? And depending on which car. People bought Opel in full, although it was bankrupt, and not only Opel. But neither the Malyshev Design Bureau, nor the Design Bureau of engine building is bankrupt, of course, the plant is in a difficult half-life, but almost only design office works in these contracts. The factory has been driving engines to China and Pakistan for hundreds of years.
In short, slan, if you want to say that there is no life beyond the borders of Ukraine and Ukraine is stealing gas, then say so that I don’t lose time on you.

[svvaulsh]

http://topwar.ru/5149-ukrainskiy-oplot-postavka-v-tailand-blef.html# Последняя фраза развеселила!

[slan]

Quote: SuperDuck

How can you know that, even arms market analysts only speculate about the amount and series?

Well, sort of funny numbers are given, the rollback is not visible there. Anyway, with a small series that can be rolled back. At the same time, the prime cost is prohibitive, and you can’t declare all the same price as a leopard. That is the laws of the market that only strong or swindlers can dump.

Quote: SuperDuck

The plant in Thailand has opened an APC service center, therefore it has a competitive advantage on the issue of service.

Oh yes)) Sorry, but the advantage is ridiculous. Service, in the sense of service, not a service station) Chinese cars also have them, but not service.

Quote: SuperDuck

I did not understand in what section the question lies, but I hear a certain bias. Still, not a single contract of HZTM has been disrupted, although almost all had problems.

You give money to a person only on the basis that he seems to be having problems, but has returned it to someone? We are again talking about different things. The Russian Federation has a much higher reserve, but in the arms market it loses a lot due to the low confidence in the Russian Federation. Ukraine- the state is extremely unstable, today there is a tank factory ..

Quote: SuperDuck

You apparently do not own the question at all

That's right. I am not interested in tank building. I don’t know what I’m crucifying about this topic) Of course, this information allows me to look at the contract with Thailand more optimistically.

Quote: SuperDuck

Ukraine bankrupt? And depending on which car. People bought Opel in full, although it was bankrupt, and not only Opel.

Ukraine is not bankrupt, but potentially, especially a specific plant. And Opel is a brand of massive not so bad cars. Regardless of the welfare of the GMC, this brand will be, and spare parts even more so. Well, they will sell it to the Chinese or Russian ..
In short, there is no life in the Russian Federation either, if this makes it easier for you))

[Superduck]

Quote: slan

You give money to a person only on the basis that he seems to be having problems, but has returned it to someone? We are again talking about different things. The Russian Federation has a much higher reserve, but in the arms market it loses a lot due to the low confidence in the Russian Federation. Ukraine- the state is extremely unstable, today there is a tank factory ..

This is a political issue, let's not please.

Quote: slan

Oh yes)) Sorry, but the advantage is ridiculous. Service, in the sense of service, not a service station) Chinese cars also have them, but not service.

You were there? And I know people who go there from the factory, and go to China. Everything is on a decent level there.

Quote: slan

In short, there is no life in the Russian Federation either, if this makes it easier for you))

It’s not easier for me from this, but I’m in Russia because I can judge by my own opinion.

[slan]

Quote: SuperDuck

You were there? And I know people who go there from the factory, and go to China. Everything is on a decent level there.

I didn’t know of course. You almost convinced me)) but returning to the meaning of the article, I am still more convinced that this contract is more nonsense than an article, it seems that this was discussed?

Quote: SuperDuck

It’s not easier for me from this, but I’m in Russia because I can judge by my own opinion.

This is you, sorry, why?

[Superduck]

Quote: slan

that this contract is more nonsense than an article, it seems that this was a question?

Well, I am not a supporter of the idea that this contract has been signed, although I realize that there is no smoke without driving. Such plums as an article in the bangkok post also appear for a reason, there can be many reasons for the appearance of this article. You can guess endlessly, it may or may not be a bluff, since when information appeared in the press about the contract, new information did not appear, except for the post above about the shipment of tanks, but they are not affected by anything and I think that this is most likely a mistake. Thus, for 2 months now there has been just an overflow from empty to empty, the author showed bias and he apparently does not care that there are facts or not, what matters to him is that "Ukraine is bankrupt, they cannot do tanks and do not want to, and they themselves -removed- .. "and then the standard theses from the Khokhlosrun dictionary.
Returning to the note - the arguments in the article are completely absent, there is no logical connection between the theses either, most of the article does not concern the topic indicated in its title at all. I don’t see the point of discussing the article, it’s like discussing the void, the author is either not very smart or abuses, this one would have failed for another post in hohlosrach, but for the opinion - sorry ..

Quote: slan

This is you, sorry, why?

Well, you asked about whether it will become easier for me because in Russia the same ass in this matter as in Ukraine, I said that it will not be easier for me, and in Russia I often go and I see all my asses and achievements eyes.

[slan]

Quote: SuperDuck

this one would fail for another post in hohlosrach, but to the opinion - sorry ..

I do not agree, it seemed to me that the author is from Ukraine and is not at all drawn to kaklasrach. If a "Russian" wrote this, he would have stupidly laughed at Ukraine, but here people are outraged by the authorities and nothing more. And IMHO this is precisely the opinion, extreme, one-sided .. but a normal opinion is no worse than other opinions and yours, sorry, is also no worse. A person has the right to this, he asked, what did the loud statements end up, googled and spoke out.

Quote: SuperDuck

Yes, and in Russia I am often and I see all assholes and achievements with my own eyes

Well, it’s you who, just from the Khokhlosrach, dropped this phrase here, expert comparisons like just there in the subject)

[svvaulsh]

Lovely scolding, just amuse!

[Garfield]

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