In Bronnitsy showed new armored car "Ansir"

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May 29 at the testing ground of the 3 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense in Bronnitsy (Moscow region), a show of modern and promising samples of domestic vehicles. Several organizations have shown their latest developments. Most of the cars shown in Bronnitsy are already known to specialists and amateurs of military equipment. In addition, the exhibition was shown a new armored car "Ansir", developed by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.



The armored vehicle "Ansyr" was developed by the specialists of the Wheeled Machines department (SM-10) of the MGTU. N.E. Bauman. The tender for the development of a promising armored car with the code "Ansir" (Ansir or Antsyr - old mass unit, equal to 1,3 pound or 128 spools) was announced in spring 2011 of the year. Perspective armored vehicle designed for use in various departments of the Interior Ministry and, possibly, the armed forces. The mission of this vehicle is to patrol, support special operations, as well as escort and guard columns. When developing this car, the need to protect the crew and the machine’s units from small arms was taken into account. weapons and fragments of explosive devices or shells. In addition, the authors of the project paid great attention to the possibility of crossing water barriers by swimming.

When considering the armored vehicle "Ansir" the first thing that strikes the eye is its characteristic appearance, which makes us recall some foreign cars of this class. Some features of the ANSIR design resemble the French armored vehicle Panhard VBL and the Turkish Otocar Cobra. It is noteworthy that several years ago there were rumors about the possibility of licensed production of French VBL cars at Russian enterprises, which, however, did not receive any confirmation.

The armored vehicle "Ansyr" has a combat mass at the level of 4 tons and is capable of speeding up to 125 km / h on the highway. It is claimed that for acceleration to 100 km / h it takes 25 seconds. Such characteristics are provided by a two-axle all-wheel drive chassis and an 180 hp engine. Engine type unknown. The armored car is equipped with independent wheel suspension. The type of shock absorbers is unknown. It is known that the wheels of the Ansir armored car should have a tire pressure adjustment system. An important feature of the armored car is the ability to swim. According to reports, the new armored car can be on the water for at least an hour and move at a wave height of up to 30. See the maximum speed on the water, achieved with the help of rotating wheels, reaching 5 km / h.



According to official data, the armored body of the Ansyr machine meets the requirements of 5 protection class according to the domestic classification and is able to withstand a rifle bullet of a 7,62 mm caliber without an armor-piercing core. The body of the new machine is assembled from several rectilinear panels mated at different angles. The layout of the hull is standard for light class armored vehicles. In front of the hull is the engine and part of the transmission units, and the rest of the volume of the body is given under the habitable compartment. For the purpose of cooling the engine, blinds are provided in the hood and sides of the hull. To increase the level of protection, relatively thick windshields are set at an angle to the vertical.

In the habitable volume of the hull there are three places for the crew: two in the front and one in the stern. For embarkation and disembarkation, the crew must use two doors in the sides of the hull and one in the stern. Crew members in the front seats can monitor the situation through large windshields and glazed doors. The shooter has three relatively small windows in the sides and aft door. Glazing doors and side windows are equipped with loopholes for firing personal weapons.

In the stern of the roof of the armored vehicle "Ansir", shown in Bronnitsy, there is a turret for mounting weapons. Unfortunately, the prototype turret was closed with a canvas cover, from which only the weapon mounting bracket protruded. The photograph of an armored car published by MGTU. Bauman last year, the tower or the combat module was completely absent. According to the developer, the armored vehicle "Ansir" can be armed with a large-caliber machine gun or an automatic grenade launcher.

In November last year, the prototype of the Ansyr armored car set off for preliminary tests. Apparently, during the tests, the machine confirmed the design characteristics. Exact information about further work within the project is not available. Probably currently MGTU them. Bauman and related organizations are engaged in testing and fine-tuning the machine.



The armored car "Ansir", as follows from the available data, is of particular interest. This is a light armored vehicle with a good level of protection, capable of solving various tasks arising before units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. At the same time, the ability of the machine to float may cause some doubts, since the units of the Ministry of the Interior rarely have to have a water barrier. However, the ANSIR does not have any separate propulsive devices for moving on water, which does not lead to a complicated structure.

The use of a large-caliber machine gun or an automatic grenade launcher as a weapon can significantly increase the flexibility of the machine, since it will be possible to determine the most suitable weapon for current tasks. Also, the armored vehicle "Ansyr" can probably be equipped with various towers or combat modules with weapons.

The further fate of the project "Ansir" is still unknown. Perhaps new messages about the new armored car for the Ministry of the Interior will appear in the near future.



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  1. wanderer_032
    +3
    11 June 2014 08: 40
    By order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but with an eye to the army WG mechanized units.
    From the photo it is difficult to say what kind of BA the guys from "Baumanka" have created, to touch it and check it in practice.
    Then you can say something.
    Such light armored cars are needed, it's better than driving an armored personnel carrier.
    I hope the armament will be with the DBM, or at least the shields covering the arrow with bulletproof glass.
    And not like it was on the Lynx, aka Iveco.

    1. wanderer_032
      +2
      11 June 2014 08: 47
      This is how it looked on BA "Lynx"
      1. +4
        11 June 2014 10: 34
        Hello hi
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Such light armored cars are needed, it's better than driving an armored personnel carrier.

        needed, like a light reconnaissance vehicle, but for the MVD, why such an armored car ???
        also floating .. more suitable for reconnaissance units of the RA ....
        For the Ministry of Internal Affairs, first of all, multi-purpose non-navigable armored cars are needed ... but WITH STRENGTHENED ANTI-MINING PROTECTION !!!!!

        Quote: wanderer_032
        This is how it looked on BA "Lynx"

        And THIS IS (DUBM) MANDATORY !!!

        army of azerbaijan, armored car Matador with DBM with KPVT ...
        1. +5
          11 June 2014 19: 56

          helped them
          WITH STRENGTHENED ANTIMOIN PROTECTION !!!!!
          protection? IRD should work fine ...
          1. +7
            11 June 2014 21: 08
            Quote: Marssik
            and? IRD should work fine.

            not penetrated and not undermined armored vehicles NO !!!

            the average explosive charge used by the militants in the North Caucasus is 10 kg in f / e ... that's why we will "dance" ...

            in South Africa and South Rhodesia after the use of MRAP, the losses decreased by several times !!!!
            google, here from here as an example: http: //airsoftgun.ru/phpBB/viewtopic.php? p = 589135

            URAL 4320 chassis, Casspir Mk VI chassis
            1. +3
              11 June 2014 21: 24
              the average explosive charge used by the militants in the North Caucasus is 10 kg in f / e ... that's why we will "dance" ...
              in South Africa and South Rhodesia after the use of MRAP, the losses decreased by several times !!!!
              In Iraq, on the other hand, MRAPs do not help a lot * Indos, they tear all the same. Permanent and competent engineering intelligence route, avoids the loss of military convoys from bombings in general ...
              It's not about our armored vehicles, it's about our "Yermolovs" and other professional military leaders with large stars, they themselves will lead the column (their “maybe”) into an ambush, and then wonder where most of the column has gone.
              1. +1
                11 June 2014 21: 52
                Quote: cosmos111
                Ministry of Internal Affairs, why such an armored car

                At least for patrolling and escorting columns. Plus such a machine in its small size and relatively powerful weapons. If there are several such machines in a convoy, you won’t destroy it all at once (yes, in that convoy that almost undermines a nuclear mine, I’m sure that only the head machine is completely destroyed - the others are either overturned or crumpled. The only thing else a similar machine should have and about which not words - this is a low price.
                1. +2
                  11 June 2014 22: 37
                  Quote: tchoni
                  At least for patrolling and escorting columns. Plus such a machine in its small size and relatively powerful weapons.

                  size, for modern anti-tank weapons, it doesn’t matter + tight sniper fire from 12,7 mm rifles, or 20 mm ...
                  there is no universal vehicle ....

                  but the most suitable is a multi-purpose armored car ... with enhanced mine and ballistic protection ..
                  1. 0
                    12 June 2014 19: 22
                    Where are you from Wahhabis and other Taliban-like people who find PTR or a 12,7-caliber sniper rifle ??? Or do you propose to roll out in front of the column ZU-23-2?
                    Holding an RPG shot is an opportunity for a tank or heavy armored personnel carrier (and even then not from all angles), but not MRI or BRDM. Enough ability to withstand a 7,62 mm bullet and an anti-personnel mine detonation.
              2. +3
                11 June 2014 22: 03
                Quote: Marssik
                In Iraq, on the other hand, MRAPs do not help a lot * Indos, they tear all the same.
                how didn’t they help ??? they helped, that they released 64 thousand MRAP units ...
                which also significantly reduced losses from explosives .... they lie of course, reading their statistics, but reduced at times ....

                Americans, announced a competition to replace HAMER ... BECAUSE HE DOES NOT MEET THE ANTI-PROTECTION CRITERIA !!!

                Quote: Marssik
                . Continuous and competent engineering reconnaissance routes

                and not only that .. complex of measures .. use of georadars .. etc ...
                Husky with ground penetrating radar ..also South African development
              3. 0
                14 June 2014 11: 51
                Just in South Africa and Rhodesia, the main losses were from mines laid many years ago, with which this land is simply teeming. And in Iraq, they are purposefully destroyed with the help of landmines. If the land mine did not take the MCI, then the next time the militants will lay a charge more. And mortgaged land mines are usually laid under the car (they are difficult to disguise on the road), and on the side of the road (disguise - any garbage bag or a standing passenger car), but on the sides - only B7.
                1. Florist
                  0
                  2 August 2014 14: 16
                  of course take charge more! But the militants, too, are not immortal, they are also found by intelligence, surrender by local residents, they die during attacks on convoys. After all, it’s not a camel’s caravan to shell from the mountain, all the cars are armed, there are often helicopters in the air, that is, the militants also end ... and the MPI just gives an additional chance for the crew to survive!
              4. Florist
                0
                2 August 2014 14: 13
                Well, losses help to reduce! Of course, they tear the equipment. And you can destroy any car and engineering reconnaissance of the route is absolutely necessary) On your video, so in general hellish explosion! But laying such a land mine is always more difficult and the consumption of explosives. I think they could divide this explosive into 10 bombings of ordinary Hammers with trucks, but I had to make such a bookmark. Yes, and it is not visible from the results that destroyed, what damage the remaining machines.
  2. +3
    11 June 2014 08: 55
    It looks like a Turkish "Cobra", but at the same time on our "Tiger", a kind of "Tiger", the engine will most likely be from Yaroslavl - they have a line of diesel engines of different power, and the rest of the details will be known later. As it happens with us, appearance is often deceptive
    1. +1
      11 June 2014 16: 31
      And something reminded me of something, an old Soviet BTR-40, well, he really had no roof, in case of rainfall, a tarp.
      1. 0
        11 June 2014 18: 37
        Quote: vladstro
        BTR-40, well, he really had no roof, in case of rainfall tarpaulin.

        there was a modification of the BTR-40B and with a roof ...

        after the fighting in Hungary in 1956 .. when the BTR-40 and BTR-152 were thrown in bottles with incendiary mixtures, the modification of the BTR-40B appeared, which had a welded hull with an armored roof ... there were two hatch for landing and landing in the roof .. .the height of the BTR-40B increased by 130 mm ...
        1. +1
          11 June 2014 22: 38
          Yes, I didn’t know. In the 61st, my father just served in Hungary, and in BTR-40, but he didn’t see the roof, a small party was apparently released.
          1. +1
            12 June 2014 05: 16
            After the events in Hungary for 56 years, all BTR-152 and BTR-40 were produced with armored roofs. Their release began in late 1957.
            1. 0
              12 June 2014 22: 26
              So he is a reconnaissance armored personnel carrier and a gun tractor, not a stormtrooper of cities, so I repeat, there was a small series with the roof, and there were many varieties, the total number of which is about eight thousand pieces.
    2. +9
      11 June 2014 19: 34
      And I glanced at once and immediately the association with the "goat" GAZ-67. Maybe because of the wings. Really, is there something?
      1. 0
        12 June 2014 19: 24
        Grandfather and grandson)) I kept thinking who this "Ansyr" reminds me ...
  3. +5
    11 June 2014 08: 56
    This is a very necessary armored car for both the army and the frontier service - yes, for any power structure.
    At least to drive them to the meeting, even to quickly cover the flanks and you never know what. Yes, even though it’s not a ship.
    Mobile armored group is well suited for modern combat.
    1. +6
      11 June 2014 10: 59
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      This is a very necessary armored car for both the army and the frontier service

      for the border service, yes you need an armored car ... floating with a shed of cross-country .....
      and such armored cars .... already created ..... but they didn’t go into the series ... THE ROOFS WERE GOOD ....
      special chassis "Vepr" of the St. Petersburg design bureau "Cayman" with a V-shaped mine-protected bottom ...


      and the undeservedly "forgotten" armored car ... "VODNIK"? with minor modernization, installation of a V-shaped bottom and doors to the fighting compartment, an excellent MODULAR ARMORED ... !!!!
      in the west, only in the 2000s did modular JLTV platforms begin to appear, but not yet adopted ...
      BTR suspension not killed ...
      1. jj74
        +2
        11 June 2014 11: 20
        I heard that the Podnik waterman is good in all respects except mine detonation (IED), which seems to be why they wrapped
  4. +3
    11 June 2014 09: 19
    And three people are not enough? or is it possible to increase the capacity to at least five?
    1. wanderer_032
      +3
      11 June 2014 09: 26
      Quote: max702
      And three people are not enough? or is it possible to increase the capacity to at least five?


      And for reconnaissance, patrolling and escorting convoys (convoys) more capacity is not needed.
      The main thing here is maneuverability and speed.
      The smaller the car, the harder it is to get into it.
      Speed ​​is also an important factor.
      For broader tasks there are multipurpose vehicles, the same "Tiger", SPM "Bear", "Wolf".
      1. +1
        11 June 2014 09: 31
        And it’s even easier to disguise, contain and simply exploit.
      2. 0
        11 June 2014 12: 16
        Quote: wanderer_032
        And for reconnaissance, patrolling and escorting convoys (convoys) more capacity is not needed.

        for reconnaissance -YES ... but to escort the columns, heavy MRAVPs are needed with good mine protection and ballistic protection, as well as protection from monoblock RPGs, ... URAL VV (modified)) and already arriving in armored car units ... SMP-3. ".. BEAR" "....

        anti-cumulative screen -mat ......... element of passive protection designed to reduce and destroy the cumulative jet .....
        1. +2
          11 June 2014 21: 57
          Quote: cosmos111
          to escort the convoys, heavy MRAVPs are needed with good mine protection and ballistic protection, as well as protection from monoblock RPGs, ... URAL VV (modified)) and already arriving in the armored car unit .... SMP-3. ".. BEAR "" ..

          I do not quite agree. They are certainly preferable, but a small fire support vehicle has the advantage of a small size.
          1. +1
            11 June 2014 22: 56
            Quote: tchoni
            I do not quite agree. They are certainly preferable, but a small fire support vehicle has the advantage of a small size.


            I posted that we have in service with the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV ...
            small size is not a panacea ...

            here you need an armored car ... with balanced protection and good mobility, multi-purpose !!!
            1. 0
              12 June 2014 09: 09
              Quote: cosmos111
              here you need an armored car ... with balanced protection and good mobility, multi-purpose !!!

              here with typhoons mobility is just a jamb - 30 tons on 3 axes - ground pressure - wow, and if you need to go around the column along the cuvette? or dive into the alley?
              so the small size is a huge advantage. It was because of him that light tanks survived until the end of the Second World War. (On this topic Svirin writes "Stalin's steel fist. The history of the Soviet tank.")
              Yes, and there is a typhoon .... do you think he will be assigned to each company? or platoon? And oh armor as needed.
              1. +1
                12 June 2014 13: 23
                Quote: tchoni
                .. do you think he will be assigned to each company? or platoon? And oh armor as needed.

                TYPHOON is very expensive both in price and in operation ...
                the use of nodes and bridges from serial cars reduces costs at times, but mobility and speed are significantly reduced ...
                independent suspension required, and automatic transmission ...
                mass production of trucks began in Belarus. WITH INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION and automatic transmission ...
                TAK-4 (Oshkosh) type suspension is quite technologically advanced in production, reliable and maintainable, independent suspension is suitable for a mass army multi-purpose truck, as well as the creation of a multi-purpose armored car on its basis ... !!!
                MZKT developers, studied the American experience on the American experience. MZKT used a suspension very similar to the TAK-4 (Oshkosh-M ATV) when creating the multipurpose MZKT-6001 ...
                MZKT-6001, suspension
    2. +2
      11 June 2014 14: 20
      Quote: max702
      an opportunity to increase capacity at least to five?

      Yes, five people is the minimum, the driver ......., four soldiers ... commander, machine gun on an armored car ......
      company Supacat armored ....... for patrolling, reconnaissance, raiding operations .. "SPV400", weight - 7,5 tons. ... the possibility of transporting a crew of 6 people.......
      pay attention to the bandwagon, for landing in the fighting compartment, the armored car .. Ansir is not like that ... Trivia, but the soldier’s life in battle depends on such trifles ....

      1. +1
        11 June 2014 22: 06
        Quote: cosmos111
        Yes, five people is the minimum, the driver ......., four soldiers ... commander, machine gun on an armored car ......

        You see, for a small car, a commander and a metal worker can be one person. And the fact that the crew is not thought out a bit is a fact. There should be 4 people — an airborne assault, one after a machine gun (or, if necessary, the same on foot) + a carrier, which. under certain circumstances the same dismounts. And for that matter, I don’t really like the layout of the car. For a small car, it would be possible to partially or completely sacrifice the protection of the engine and transmission, as well as partially the protection of the landing compartment. maximizing the visibility of the paratroopers, and making it easier for them to dismount, but not neglecting the mine protection (say, a partially open body without a tailgate like a buffalo). at the same time maximize the protection of the capsule in which the carrier and machine gunner (shooter) are located. thus we get a fairly flexible system that can adapt to combat conditions.
        1. +2
          11 June 2014 22: 19
          Quote: tchoni
          as well as partially protecting the airborne compartment. maximizing visibility of the paratroopers, and making it easier for them to dismount

          then you need an armored car ..., without a roof, with mine protection and powerful weapons ....

          you write about combat patrol armored vehicles "Jackol"??
        2. +2
          11 June 2014 23: 14
          Quote: tchoni
          it seems, a partially open body without a tailgate as a buffalo). at the same time maximize the protection of the capsule in which the carrier and the machine gunner (shooter) are located. thus we get a fairly flexible system that can adapt to combat conditions.


          Yes, I did not read it to the end .. I apologize .. hi
          proposed by you .... the armored vehicle could be a good patrol car ... by the way "Jackol" if you apply what you posted to this and corresponded ...
          1. +1
            12 June 2014 09: 10
            What is it, but with a heavily booked driver’s seat and gunner and meant.
  5. +4
    11 June 2014 09: 43
    Good machine turned out! Hotstsa civil version! With real SUVs, now it’s just trouble — all manufacturers are switching to SUVs. Interesting about the motor. Ours do not produce anything worthwhile, it is necessary to purchase licenses for the production of motors from the Japanese, while our designers are koumeka.
    1. wanderer_032
      +1
      11 June 2014 09: 58
      Quote: zoknyay82
      Ours do not release anything worthwhile


      Do not pour on our slops all the time.

      Most likely the car will be equipped with such an ICE (ZMZ-5143):
      1. -3
        11 June 2014 13: 01
        WANDERER, so that you, your children and grandchildren drive these diesels and repair them yourself, nothing is sweeter than carrots, and you only had sugar in your urine. And when your great-grandchildren will show you a Toyota or Mersovian diesel similar displacement (do not forget to inquire about the power), you will realize the hidden meaning of the word PUTNY. But for now, refrain from comments and take my word for it, we are already two steps behind the Chinese in the field of motor engineering, I don’t even stutter about the Japs.
        1. +5
          11 June 2014 15: 17
          Quote: Argon
          in a word, we are already two steps behind the Chinese in the field of engine building; I don’t even stutter about Yap.
          Argon
          motors are not the main problem, ...... but automatic transmissions in general in RUSSIA Z .... 000 are not available ...
        2. wanderer_032
          +1
          11 June 2014 18: 10
          Quote: Argon
          Argon


          You yourself will be a wise guy from Maaaskwa, who is probably snickering.
          So if there in your snickering Maaaskwe everything can be driven by foreign cars and ride, then in our outback, almost 2/3 of the entire "working" vehicle fleet is our cars, with our engines.
          And there are no others. And will not be.
          And for the army to take into service a car with an import engine, in the event of a global military conflict, it is to leave your army without vehicles, because there are no engines, and import supplies may stop.
          Therefore, if a ram is in such matters, then do not meddle with your abstruse opinion.
          And in this spirit, your mother-in-law write to the electronic.
          1. +4
            12 June 2014 00: 34
            The clever guy will be from Rostov-on-Don, and mind you, there is no one who did not offend. By the way, beyond the Urals, probably also all snickering UAZs and YOUR other cars will not be found there, solid "right-handed" less often "geliks". Guess why? Where are you in my comment razgledel- "talented child" -proposal to use imported engines? (I always stood for a license, I emphasize, licensed production, not assembly). Most of all outraged that the "masterpiece" you gave has fuel equipment BOSCH, aggregate clutch Bendix, and in the EVRO version -3 also Siemens microprocessor control. In 2009, 46 cars with these diesels came to the region. Not one of them reached TO-3, all engines were replaced with ordinary "gasoline" UMP. (This is the quality of this "salyanka"). I will express it wherever I see fit, his "spirit" depends on the frivolity of commentators, "room academics" like you.
            1. +3
              12 June 2014 19: 06
              Quote: Argon
              .By the way, beyond the Urals, probably also all snickering-UAZs and other YOUR cars are not to be found there, solid "right-handed people" are less often "geliks"

              do not exaggerate. UAZ patriots and hunters in Siberia above the roof. and the right-handed ones are gradually leaving - the yapes stop producing frame jeeps or transferring them to the premium class - remember Toyota LandKrauser and Nissan Patrol, now these are off-road limousines at a cost of 100 tons
    2. 0
      11 June 2014 10: 51
      + 100500. Civilian versions of SUVs without armor and military bells and whistles would be useful to many and help reduce development costs.
      Regarding the engine, I strongly suspect that this is unfortunately the Cummins B-180, as on the Tiger.
      1. wanderer_032
        +1
        11 June 2014 11: 38
        Quote: Tommygun
        Cummins B-180

        This internal combustion engine is not suitable for such a machine, it is an in-line "six" for medium-duty trucks and middle class buses.
        It is not suitable for such a machine in size and weight.
    3. +1
      11 June 2014 12: 51
      Yes, I wanted to write about it too)
      A beautiful device turned out, the civilian version of the Hummer H2 ala could be successful, especially now on the rise of patriotic moods in the country. Real male car)
      1. +1
        11 June 2014 15: 55
        here is another bourgeois armor ... similar in class with armor .... ANSAR ... Supacat Wildcat 500 DKR ...

        , today speed and maneuverability with increased safety come to the fore ...

  6. jj74
    +1
    11 June 2014 09: 51
    He is not small at all (near UAZ), only three people negative , capacity and booking are worse than on a "regular" armored jeep, made to order. In this case, the cost will be equal if not more. The only plus is that he can swim. The UN has been using armored jeeps for many years, compare ...
    1. wanderer_032
      +3
      11 June 2014 10: 12
      Quote: jj74
      It is not small at all (near the UAZ), only three people, capacity and booking are worse than on a "regular" armored jeep, made to order


      Less than the "Patriot" standing next to it, and it can be seen.
      The basis of this car is an armored housing, and not a body on a frame, which is already good (it is more durable).
      Are you such an awesome "expert" that you can determine the composition of the armor from the photo, as well as its effectiveness?
      I think not, don’t speak in vain for that which you cannot do.
      In addition, very good axles with wheel gears are installed on this armored car, it can be seen that there is a tire inflation, a winch.
      According to the diameter of the wheels, it can definitely be said that the car is aimed at overcoming serious off-road and impassable obstacles.
      According to the review, it will be differently better than the French Panhard VBL, plus there are loopholes for firing.
      Also, the machine is equipped with an independent suspension of all wheels, which means that it should have a very good ride.
      1. wanderer_032
        +1
        11 June 2014 10: 15
        For comparison, these cars are "classmates".
        It took the French 15 years to start mass production.

        1. jj74
          +1
          11 June 2014 10: 52
          By the way, such things in Georgia say through the gunshot ...
          1. wanderer_032
            +4
            11 June 2014 12: 06
            Quote: jj74
            By the way, such things are said to be shot through Georgia through Georgia ..

            No, not like that, but like that (Otokar Cobra BA):
      2. jj74
        +2
        11 June 2014 10: 26
        Why, in addition to the pictures, it is necessary to read the text of the respected quote "according to official data, it meets the requirements of the 5th class of protection according to the national classification and is able to withstand the hit of a 7,62 mm rifle bullet without an armor-piercing core." B7. It should provide protection against the 7,62x51 mm NATO armor-piercing cartridge; jeeps with this class of booking can be bought by anyone who has money.
        About the cross You are most likely set off, at we always could well
        1. wanderer_032
          0
          11 June 2014 11: 13
          Quote: jj74
          able to withstand the hit of a 7,62 mm rifle bullet without an armor-piercing core "

          These gross cartridges are mainly fought, if you read a little about infantry small arms, then you can find out that cartridges with armor-piercing cores use mainly special forces for carrying out CTOs.
          In addition, when firing such cartridges, the barrel bore of rifles, machine guns, etc., greatly deteriorates, as a result of which they are often not recommended to be used.
          In addition, partisan units have such cartridges as a rule in short supply.
          And also the delivery of such ammunition causes certain problems, but at a price they are not very cheap.
          And I’ll add that this BA was developed for the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
          For the army, for example, armor protection can be strengthened, and without increasing the mass of the BA.
          Modern protection materials allow this.
          And besides who will write you the real parameters of the reservation in the material for the media.
        2. +1
          11 June 2014 13: 43
          Quote: jj74
          About the cross You are most likely set off, at we always could well

          "Directions" oblige (oblige?) ...
        3. +1
          11 June 2014 18: 54
          Quote: jj74
          a ". The highest class of protection according to European standards - B7.

          j74, what kind of standards are these ?????
          actually ballistic and mine defense of the NATO standard, this is STANAG 4269 ...
          B7 of this level is not in Europe not in sshav no ????? supreme 5th ...

          you
          STANAG 4569
          A standard issued by NATO as standardization for IEDs (improvised explosive device) and for strikes with kinetic energy and artillery. It regulates various threats with numerous comparative characteristics; in particular, it covers the standards: “Level of protection for passengers of logistics and passenger armored vehicles”.
          STANAG 4569 distinguishes five levels of protection:

          Level 1: An explosive device (NATO Ball M80), measuring 7,62 x 51, at a distance of 30 meters, with a speed of 833 m / s.

          This level includes unexploded artillery shells, hand grenades, and other small anti-personnel explosive devices that could explode underneath the vehicle.

          Level 2: An explosive device measuring 7,62 x 39 API BZ, at a distance of 30 meters, at a speed of 695 m / s.

          The threat from the explosion of grenades and mines at this level is equivalent to 6 kg of explosives. It is divided into 2 sublevels, such as:

          2- the pressure of the explosion of a mine activated under the wheel or any other part of the car;
          2b - a mine explosion occurs under the center of the car

          Level 3: The size of the device is 7,62 x 51AP (with WC core), at a distance of 30 meters, with a speed of 930 m / s.

          The threat from the explosion of grenades and mines of this level is equivalent to 8 kg of explosives and is divided into two sublevels:

          3a - explosion pressure of a mine activated under a wheel or any other part of a car;
          3b - mine explosion under the center of the car.

          Level 4: The size of the device is 14.5 x 114AP / B32, at a distance of 200 meters, with a speed of 911 m / s.

          It is believed that artillery at this level is 155 mm high-explosive substances at a distance of 30 meters.

          The threat from the explosion of grenades and mines at this level is 10 kg of explosives, and is also divided into two sublevels:

          4a - explosion pressure of a mine activated under a wheel or any other part of a car
          4b - mine explosion under the center of the car

          Level 5: 25 mm BPS-T (M791) or TLB 073 is required at a distance of 500 meters, with a speed of 1258 m / s.
          Artillery of this level should be 155 mm high-explosive substances at a distance of 25
          1. +1
            15 June 2014 12: 55
            Quote: cosmos111
            Level 1: An explosive device (NATO Ball M80), measuring 7,62 x 51, at a distance of 30 meters, with a speed of 833 m / s.

            etc. Are you sure that you copied the stanag correctly, they are doubtful - an explosive device with a size (?) of 7,62x51, this is a .308 cartridge, and an explosive device?
  7. avt
    +3
    11 June 2014 09: 51
    Quote: zoknyay82
    Good machine turned out!

    Well I do not know ! For me, it "turned out" when at least it passed the entire test cycle, not to mention the operation in the troops for at least a short time.
    1. +1
      11 June 2014 10: 11
      I agree, a lot of information is not known, no capacity, no suspension, no explosion protection, V or U shaped bottom is not very visible. well kanencho what they are trying :) In my opinion, you can give the collectors, atoms are driven on reserved foreign cars.
    2. 0
      11 June 2014 10: 11
      I agree, a lot of information is not known, no capacity, no suspension, no explosion protection, V or U shaped bottom is not very visible. well kanencho what they are trying :) In my opinion, you can give the collectors, atoms are driven on reserved foreign cars.
      1. jj74
        0
        11 June 2014 10: 31
        Very good idea smile compare with collector cars. They have a large mileage, you can drive all the sores including ergonomics will come out.
        1. +1
          11 June 2014 11: 11
          Do collectors often travel over rough terrain?
          1. jj74
            0
            11 June 2014 11: 37
            Well, there are guys jeepers, they also have a couple of pieces for a year ... their opinion will not be superfluous either. smile etozh not a secret rocket launcher
            1. wanderer_032
              +4
              11 June 2014 11: 43
              Quote: jj74
              Well, there are guys jeepers, they also have a couple of pieces for a year ... their opinion will not be superfluous either.

              Let them send me, plus a card for fuel, I would have "tested" it in full. laughing
              I would take darling, within a reasonable framework, of course. laughing
              And then at UAZ it’s already boring somehow.
              And I also have suitable places, plus I live in Siberia, in the countryside ... feel
              1. +1
                12 June 2014 00: 04
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Let them send me, plus a card for fuel, I would have "tested" it in full. laughing

                And the tractor to the heap, accompanied. Skipper. If 4 tons, on these wheels they will drill, with handles, until the second advent you will pull laughing
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    1. wanderer_032
      0
      11 June 2014 11: 59
      Quote from rudolf
      Maybe it makes sense to expand the range of already adopted, for example, on the basis of the same Tiger?

      Like it or not, but the Tiger will not go under this business.
      But he won’t do it, because his distribution will take up too much space.
      Yes, and BTRvskie bridges too big for such a machine will be.
      Here more compact units are needed, lighter in weight.
      And this definitely needs to be done by another car.
      After all, this is not just another BA, it is also an amphibian, 2in1 shorter.
    2. +1
      11 June 2014 14: 55
      Quote from rudolf
      Is it not too big a variety of models of special vehicles that we end up with hemorrhoids in maintenance

      in the USSR, the army and the Commission for the Armed Forces is armed with 30 brands of cars ..... but they are all unified by automatic transmission., RUBBER, ENGINES mainly (camins)))
      and we should have such unification ... support of the domestic manufacturer Ural, .KAZAZ, BAZ, G =, GAZ And other manufacturers ...
      Quote from rudolf
      Tiger? Shortened, Elongated, Lightweight, High Protection, Floating

      SMP2 TIGER ... not a universal modular platform, but armored ... created for police operations and only then it was adopted into armament ....
      on the frame, the case is not sealed ... for such purposes, a multi-purpose armored car is needed ... (((already post))) WATER or upgraded. BRDM-2a (m). independent suspension, on BTR 80 nodes and reinforced mine protection ...
  9. Spectrum
    0
    11 June 2014 12: 03
    Would call P "ansyr" lol
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    1. 0
      11 June 2014 15: 41
      Quote from rudolf
      Something I doubt about her floating abilities. Four tons of weight (plus crew) per relatively small internal volume

      all-terrain vehicle calistrat 4x4



  11. Serge56
    +2
    11 June 2014 15: 15
    I'm probably stupid ((.. But I don’t understand why the Ministry of Internal Affairs has such armored cars, and even with a grenade launcher or a krupnyak-pelemet ???
    So far, I see that ordinary DPS and PLR are quite coping with the people on the street in Lada and UAZ vehicles.
    In the comments I see the equipment for the army and saw it in previous topics and articles a hundred times.
    So the question is tormenting - maybe soon our Ministry of Internal Affairs will start ordering special purpose tanks to protect law enforcement points and fifth-generation fighters to identify from a height where and at which garages they drink alcohol))
    1. +1
      11 June 2014 19: 10
      Quote: Serge56
      I'm probably stupid ((.. But I don’t understand why the Ministry of Internal Affairs has such armored cars, and even with a grenade launcher or a krupnyak-pelemet ???

      MVD of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and special forces, we need about these armored cars ... with assault stairs, a high silhouette, a bucket blade, for ramming the gate fences ...

      assault armored vehicle .. GPV Sergeant, General Purpose Vehicle (GPV)



      BAE LSSA RG12

      1. 0
        11 June 2014 19: 22
        Here's another topic ...
        among yankers: police officer, FBI, emergency services vehicle, ..
        GPV SWAT Vehicle

        1. +2
          11 June 2014 20: 11
          Woe specialists, you VV and SOBR do not confuse with OMON. The Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is divided into 4 categories of VGO (conventional armored personnel carriers and armored personnel carriers are enough), SMVCH (for dispersal of rallies and patrolling "fire" and slightly armored UAZs, trucks) and detachments of OSPN to them OBRON (Pokemon, armored personnel carriers, Tigr, "Shot" aka BPM-97) there is no light patrol car, open and with a machine gun, so that you can jump out if something happens quickly, they are forced to drive a "mess" or an armored personnel carrier ahead with soldiers on armor ...
          The armored cars have already been developed even with a shovel rowing and everyone can not decide what to choose ...
          1. +1
            11 June 2014 21: 43
            [quote = Marssik] The armored cars have already developed at least a spade rowing and everyone can not decide what to choose ... [/ quote]

            MARSSIK WHAT A SHOVEL SHOVEL ???
            [quote = Marssik] Pokemon, armored personnel carrier, Tiger, "Shot" aka BPM-97 [/ quote all without mine protection, the main threat in the Caucasus !!!

            meet modern protection criteria, against IEDs only SMP-3 "MEDVED" and KamAZ FSB on the basis of rally cars: !!!
            1. 0
              11 June 2014 22: 25
              Quote: Marssik
              Woe specialists, you do not confuse BB and SOBR with riot police. VV MVD is divided into 4 categories of VGO (conventional armored personnel carriers and armored personnel carriers are quite enough)


              that’s all of the above, can be replaced by one, MANY-PURPOSE armored vehicle ... 4x4,6x6.8x8 GPV General Purpose Vehicle ....

              unification of spare parts ... and deputy ... for those ... would be happy, take it off with one lining. RESTART ANYTHING....
              1. 0
                11 June 2014 22: 58
                all without mine protection, the main threat in the S. Caucasus !!!
                Again, how much money does it cost for fish, why do you constantly want to ride a tank and blow up, and not take out a land mine and ride an armored personnel carrier? The militants of the North Caucasus now are not Papuans, not a bunch of fucking extremists. They will not attack or blow up the convoy if will not be able to destroy it . In 2011, they took out five hundred and fifty-liter barrels of ammonal from under the railway bedrock, a locomotive of 5 meters would be enough to send a flight, while we forestall them, we have time to shoot before they blow up.
                MARSSIK WHAT A SHOVEL SHOVEL ???

                http://topwar.ru/page,1,2,9759-bronemashiny-dlya-armii-rossii-tayfun-i-rys.html
                http://topwar.ru/21266-gosispytaniya-bronemashiny-volk-zavershat-do-konca-2013-g
                oda.html
                http://topwar.ru/7558-novaya-versiya-bronemashiny-tigr-izgotovlena-arzamasskimi-
                mashinostroitelyami.html
                http://topwar.ru/29253-shoygu-na-kamaze-pokazali-noveyshie-bronemashiny.html
                ......
                1. +1
                  12 June 2014 00: 00
                  Quote: Marssik
                  of fifty-liter barrels of ammonal, a locomotive of 300 meters would be enough to send a flight, while we anticipate them, we have time to shoot before they blow up.

                  but 100 percent attacks cannot be prevented .. unfortunately ...

                  if you work in organs, you yourself need an armored car ...

                  from the links ... 1. TYPHOONS purchases only MO ...
                  2. SMP2 TIGERS do not have mine protection ..
                  3.Armored .. WOLF ... an interesting armored car, but very crude, to modify and modify it ...
  12. lankrus
    +1
    12 June 2014 00: 09
    In my opinion, the machine for the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not enough, what tasks can it solve? Intelligence service? Three people, in armor, with weapons, plus equipment, hmm. Escort of the colon, very weak. Borders except.
  13. +2
    12 June 2014 02: 01
    Compared to the Tiger, he is ugly of some kind .. This is certainly not an obstacle for the army, but still ...
  14. +2
    12 June 2014 05: 42
    Good car! But why lie about the ability to swim. This unit cannot swim.
    1. Antoneg
      0
      24 June 2014 23: 11
      What makes you think that you can’t swim?
  15. alexpro66govno
    0
    19 June 2014 06: 45
    This is the case, not some outdated VBL frogmen
  16. 0
    25 September 2014 21: 38
    Required car for sabotage and reconnaissance groups

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