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About the fundamental difference between the USSR and Russia, or what exactly the Soviet people lost.

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About the fundamental difference between the USSR and Russia, or what exactly the Soviet people lost.


“The hardest thing to answer is the question, the answer to which is obvious” © Bernard Shaw.

The last topic caused a heated discussion that continues to this day. There was one important thought that I just have to extract and develop separately, because I see that this problem causes real confusion.

Now the time has come when completely different people (regardless of age and place in society) begin to tell, recall, or even speculate (if they haven’t personally caught up) - different, of course, positive things that existed under the USSR. Here are just sketches they get too one-sided and chaotic. Unwittingly, they all describe the Soviet Union as the realm of global “freebies”.
Free housing and education, free medicine and trips to the sea, cheap prices for housing and public utilities, transportation and food ... and so on and so forth. Some go so far as to try to recount all this with modern money, and get huge numbers.

Is it true all of the above, or is it fiction?
True. That's just not the whole truth.
Moreover, it is generally tinsel, against the background of that part of the "iceberg" that is hidden under all of the above. And what is fundamentally silent about those who are “in the subject line”, while the rest persist in their unwillingness to get to the bottom of it. So I will take this work upon myself.

The difference between socialism in the USSR and capitalism in Russia is about the same as between the Closed Joint-Stock Company and the Limited Liability Company. Where LLC Russia has several key owners (receiving dividends from the profits of the “company”, depending on the number of its “shares”), and ZAO USSR — every citizen was a shareholder (with an equal shareholding ”(and equal rights to dividends - which directly depended on the growth of the “capitalization” of the general CJSC USSR)).

The basic equality of the Soviet people was that you (the plant manager or a simple driver), the collective farmer, the General Secretary, the teacher, and the geologist are equal in their right to the "dividends" that are formed thanks to the polished work of the entire state.
And it was the fundamental, inalienable right of every citizen of the Soviet Union. Right - received by him at birth.

All modern memories and experiences, about how then life was good and what social packages were - these are just consequences, and not at all the other way around. First you get the right to become a “shareholder” - and only then - a “preference” from your position.
And if similar “bonuses”, already today, suddenly pay out just like that, they say, “the state helps the residents” - then this is a handout, and not at all the realization of your right. You have no rights.

The form in which the “dividend payments” were made was chosen to be the one that is now being remembered (all kinds of “free of charge and social package”). The reason that the “payments” were made indirectly, and not with live cash to a personal account, is that indirect payments stimulate reinvestment in their own country.
If you are going to build kindergartens, then you need, first, to get hold of the factories where materials will be produced (and this, in turn, will create new jobs and opportunities). If you invest in medicine and sports, then this gives, at the exit, healthier and stronger people; if you invest in science, the productive forces of the whole society grow, and so on.

And at the same time, it is important to understand that if yesterday people needed one thing, then tomorrow, the form of dividend payment could become a different, more suitable moment. Because what matters is not a specific form of “payments”, at a particular moment, but the basic right itself — according to which citizens have the opportunity to receive these same “dividends”, in the form that most closely meets current needs.

Okay, continue. The Soviet party nomenklatura and the then “elite” had only one opportunity to break the bonds of democracy and the absence of social partitions (when I, all so beautiful and in white, I receive “only” as many benefits and opportunities as the “zachuhanny mechanic” from ZHEKA).

The way out was found: - it was necessary to quickly “monetize” the benefits and “bonuses” received from the places they occupy in the social pyramid, and to get the opportunity to transfer the acquired (power, position in society, state property, etc.) by inheritance.

The mechanism of the "transformation of the country" was chosen as follows: - it took to turn the ZAO USSR into the LLC Russia. That is, purposefully depriving the majority of citizens of their basic right "to dividends" (from the work of the state, as a single complex). And to redistribute these rights - in their favor.
And it was brilliantly done with CJSC USSR in the 90-s.

Under the talk of two hundred varieties of sausage; for stories about what they say, “there it is” (i.e. in the West), such as we, “hoo” how much they pay; under the thoughtless howls and rotten slogans that the whole world is just waiting for us to be freed from the “power of the commissars”, and at once will whirl us in the round dance of the “fraternal capitalist peoples” ...
Under all this dirty veil of manipulations, illusions and tantrums - there was a fundamental, fundamental change. The change that the vast majority of people feel every day - but can not express in their own words. Namely:

There was a change in the form of ownership of CJSC Soviet Union. From now on, ordinary citizens have ceased to be shareholders, and now nobody owes them anything. And the elite - securely fixed their position.

Modern Russia is a giant LLC, where there are several clans of "shareholders" (sitting on "pipes" of various kinds; "pipes" that originally belonged to all citizens - and allowed to pull subsidy spheres (schools, kindergartens, sports clubs, etc.) and invest in the integrated development of their own fellow citizens).
These "mega-shareholders" - make a profit from all that was built by our ancestors, all that defended the Great Patriotic War, and all that was originally created specifically for citizens of the USSR corporation.
For citizens who had the full right to sing: - “My native country is wide ...”, because de jure and de facto were the owners (ie, “shareholders”) of their homeland.

Since 1991, all of these “shareholders” have suddenly become a bunch of “wage earners”. And such workers are interchangeable and do not represent much value. "Broke", you can not work for two, often sick, or aged? Well then - get out! We will find others.
People have become things like machine tools in a factory, or printers in an office.

Separately, I emphasize that the lower the salary of workers (for which they are willing to work) - the higher the profits of the new owners. And from this follows another fundamental difference between systems.
If local workers are “unprofitable”, it means that labor migrants who are in the position of semi-slabs should be brought in. And you can safely give a damn about investing, retraining or subsidizing your own citizens; Let them sit on benefits or drink vodka from hopelessness.

If the indigenous people turn up their noses in wages in 5-7 thousand rubles (deep down, intuitively "sensing" that they are somewhere ... abmanated), then instead of them they hire even more impoverished Uzbeks and Tajiks. Understanding perfectly well that when one's own citizens want to “eat”, then they will have nothing left but to go hump for pennies. This is called labor dumping.

But back a bit. Let me remind you that, unlike today's Russia, in the former USSR, every citizen was a shareholder.
It follows a logical conclusion:
- to every citizen, it becomes advantageous for other residents to have a worthy place in life, the highest quality education and the most suitable place of work - simply because the connection between "me" and "them" is iron.
The better everyone works -> the more the total income of the USSR Corporation -> and the greater the dividends for everyone.
Those. the conditional "capitalization" of the entire ZAO of the USSR grows thanks to the contribution of each citizen -> and the dividends of each citizen -> grow due to the effective work of the entire Company as a whole. This means that everyone needs each other instead of today's confrontation: - "I" vs "they".

These are the most important differences between the USSR and the Russian Federation, no one anywhere is trying to explain, or bring to the public debate - but the situation is precisely this. If you declare in plain text that not only “elitist” won (it’s understandable to everyone, and got used to it for a long time), but also explain exactly what 99% of residents have lost, it will cause extreme anger on those who started the scam and reaps its fruits so far.

But people still do not have an understanding of what was specifically taken from them. What I see is some kind of vague, rudimentary and fragmentary, superficially nostalgic experience that once in the country everything was “fair”, and for the thousandth time I heard about: - “cheap housing and communal services, free housing , medicine, education and everything else. "

Confused contemporaries, do not understand the main thing, of what all of the above listed evolved.
It consisted of a legally fixed right to the fact that a country belongs to all citizens, in equal measure.
And they themselves are not just an abstract “population” that accidentally ran into a given territory, but former shareholders and former owners of an equal rights package, to profit from the activities of a mega-corporation, called the Soviet Union.

The owners — who were “thrown” so dexterously, so loudly, so competently — that even having stuffed a bunch of cones, they still believe that they themselves stumbled over by chance.


I understand that sometimes I write quite complicated things. But if you do not understand what the “underwater part of the iceberg” is, what was the root cause and source of well-being, then those who are nostalgic for the USSR will once again be reduced to “free housing” and other “bonuses”. And for those who curse "scoop", the opposite will be reduced to camps and repression.

But it is much more important that both parties understand that they “threw” both those and others. And the reason is not at all in the “goodness” or “badness” of the USSR as a state, but in the fact that everyone was completely deprived of the fundamental fundamental right.
Rights to income from work in their own country. Let these incomes be small, even if they are the same as everyone else’s, let them be expressed not by numbers on a personal account, but by this very destitute “free housing” and the best education in the world - but all this is gone; and not all at once.
And it does not matter at all whether we build capitalism or socialism. The standard of living of citizens with a “basic right” will be much higher, regardless of the political and economic model in the country.

And any slogans, any parties, they say: - “If we win, then tomorrow we will raise wages for everyone!” - there are handouts, demagoguery and withdrawal of attention from the main thing.
We all, as before, will remain deprived of the basic right to own a part of the wealth of our entire immense Motherland. Not a particular birch or a particular mine — but a small fraction of the country's total GDP.

Without this right, you are a perpetual mercenary, shaking for fear of losing your job, without a mortgage apartment, and in general - without means of livelihood.
An employee can pay a large salary, but for a fraction of the profits in a private company - he does not dare to open his mouth. This is a taboo.

What I wrote in this article is a terrible thing. If every resident understands how real it is and what exactly people massively lost in the 1991 year, this completely knocks out legitimacy in any political movement, except for those that call for the citizens to return this “basic right”. And in order to return and fix it, it will be necessary to re-nationalize the notorious "pipes" and the financial system.

And, by the way, this is where the answer to such a popular (in the post-Soviet space) question lies: - "If you are so smart, then why so poor?"
Because citizens have lost the right to participate in the wealth of their country. That it thrives, that it bends - now it does not matter (the maximum that you can do is to amuse your self-esteem, associating yourself and Russia during television news or sporting events).
A giant country possessing any kind of resources cannot ensure the trivial survival of its own citizens. It's a shame. But the shame is not on the conscience of ordinary people spinning like squirrels in a wheel, but on those who drove them into these wheels, 20 years ago ...

Oh, and not yet forgotten. The phrase that “elitists” of all stripes like to repeat, recalling President Boris Yeltsin, they say: “He gave us freedom,” in reality means something completely different: - “He gave us freedom.”
I hope that now you understand both the cynicism and the funny frankness of this phrase. After all, if “us”, he gave something, then from someone - he took something.


Well, in conclusion, I want to quote what was the basis of the citizens' right to dividends. USSR Constitution, "Stalinist" version of 1936 year:

“Article 6. Land, its subsoil, water, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communications, state-owned large agricultural enterprises (state farms, machine and tractor stations, etc.), as well as utilities and the main housing stock in cities and industrial sites are state property, that is, the national wealth. ”

“Article 11. The economic life of the USSR is determined and directed by the state economic plan in the interests of increasing social wealth, the steady rise in the material and cultural level of the working people, strengthening the independence of the USSR and enhancing its defense capability. "

“Article 12. Labor in the USSR is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen according to the principle: “who does not work, does not eat”. ”
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper 10 June 2014 17: 38
    +11
    First of all, people "with the help of the West" could lose the memory of their roots! And this is the most important thing! For thanks to memory, Russia will not allow foreigners from the West to trample their lands!
    Nobody is forgotten - everything is written in DNA!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 10 June 2014 17: 41
      +18
      or what exactly the Soviet people lost.


      Lost themselves sad
      1. 222222
        222222 10 June 2014 19: 42
        +14
        Nevsky_ZU SU Today, 17:41 We lost ourselves ..
        -Lost confidence in tomorrow
        -the ability to find the truth and justice on the presumptuous bureaucrats
        -Lost openness-closed and usually embittered
        - have lost the support of society .. switched to the law of the jungle "CHV" ..
      2. Samurai3X
        Samurai3X 10 June 2014 21: 58
        -13
        My friend works as a turner in production (on a CNC machine). Has a decent salary, family, car. Traveled to Turkey and Greece to the resorts.
        My grandfather had the 4-th category of a turner, he worked all his life with 1955 until his death. Until 1981, my family was interrupted by boiled potatoes and herring, because there was barely enough money. Sweets and cakes only on holidays (New Year and Birthday) Grandfather saved 8 years on the car and then still stood in line.
        Question: What is my friend doing wrong?
        A funny myth of equal rights in the USSR ... Everyone was equal there, only the Communists and party members were always equal. Try not to go to the Komsomol. Welcome to the world of alienation.
        In fact, most are nostalgic for a FREEbie because they are lazy boobs.
        Ask anyone in the USSR if he would work in public catering if there was a decent salary and a working schedule of 6-7 hours a day 5 days a week. And for 2 years you can save up for a normal car. I think the answer is obvious.
        But now, many are playing around. Not enough, you see, 20-30K to live with them.
        Stores are bursting with goods, which in principle are accessible to the majority of the population. Sausages thuja hucha grades. Any electronics for every taste and color. Televisions in almost every home. Mobile phones at EVERYONE. 70% of the population have computers!
        Our population is fucking easy. They think that everyone should live like a king, but not work at the same time.
        The only thing my relatives, who lived under the USSR, are now yearning for is that PEOPLE WERE KIND. Everything is simple ...
        There was mutual assistance, people in general were more naive and kinder to each other. Partly - this is due to propaganda and pioneer squads. Partly - because these people were brought up by a generation that passed through the most terrible massacre of the 20 century.
        If you want to receive direct income from state corporations, then buy shares from them.
        For example, I own a microscopic stake in Yandex and do not regret it.
        So the nagging that used to be better comes from the fact that there used to be more freebies and the state often decided for you how you should live.
        Yes, now it’s more difficult to find work in a specialty, but there is no lack of work. It’s just that too many want too much of life without making much effort.
        1. varov14
          varov14 10 June 2014 22: 46
          +4
          Samurai3X ----- Do not compose nonsense, if the Union had not been destroyed, just the same went, would have been on a wheelbarrow and by the way lived in an apartment. At home, we were growing like mushrooms, with the collapse of the Union it was cut off. The working class, yes, drives cool cars, lives only in slums. It’s easier to buy a wheelbarrow, a bonded loan is enough, and the mind is completely lost. In the last years of the Union, the GDP growth somewhere around% 5 6 was where it is now, from here and dance, and there was no mention of the bad oil price. So everyone would live without envy and not very bad, and there would be an order of magnitude more spirituality. Soundly, the storage would be imposed, and at school they pulled by the ears, just to make a person. Write moderately small shareholder.
          1. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 11 June 2014 02: 56
            -7
            No need to be rude, comrade. If you think that it cost 100500 million rubles, then you are mistaken. Brings a stable income. What's bad about it? The following is a long text, but if you have the patience ...
            I didn’t know that a person should be pulled by the state by the nose and brains, by the handle of his half of his life, so that he achieves something. In my opinion, this is the task of parents to raise a desire to learn. Since everything was so beautiful, where did the food shortage come from? Where does dissatisfaction with power come from?
            That's what I'm talking about. There was equality in the USSR, but not as fantastic as it is described. The concept of "golden youth" did not come from the 90s.
            Society as a whole and the system were very fair. But the barriers due to ideology were too strong.
            I described my family's experience. In other regions it could have been better (especially in Spratia after the war). And I haven’t written 30 yet with their amazing collectivization and dispossession. My great-grandfather told me a lot of things (the benefit was already 12 years old, I remembered).
            Because they were from prosperous peasants, then almost EVERYTHING was taken from them. Two horses, a cow, geese, hens. They cut the ground and told to go to work on the collective farm. Everything acquired by their labor was simply squeezed out, like a gopot in an alley. And then there was a famine and 3 my great-grandmothers did not live to 15 13 and 11 years respectively.
            The funny thing is that, in spite of everything, the grandfather and great-grandfather fought in the Great Patriotic War, volunteered and won back and forth.
            The USSR lived due to the extreme working capacity of its population. In fact, the population did not know the price of their work. Due to this, and went.
            But nothing ... you can drive tanks and aircraft to China for free (which was when we were friends with Mao). Purely just like that. People's labor and money are simply squandered all over the world so that some states put up the signboard "Socialism" (Egypt, etc.). But this is the people's money and their labor. How many countries now remember this kindness? Cuba?
            But this money could be spent differently.
            UNION in my opinion broke up due to 2's reasons:
            1. Because of the zakos of ideology, in which very few people believed in the 80s. People are tired of trying to get a handout from the stands once again, "Well done, take a cookie. Now back to work."
            2. Because of betrayal at the top. But here is the trick. It was MASS. Almost the entire batch rotted through and through. And the people were told to be silent. They have so much persuasion that these people have forgotten that HE is the power, and not a gang of overgrown Kremlin Celestials. Unfortunately, dissatisfaction was expressed mainly in the kitchens. They did not dare to go out and show their will. Just as they do not do it now in the DPR and LPR.
            My father still says that he is ashamed of that time. It was necessary to save the country, that's just what the PEOPLE had to do ... And many waited by the sea for the weather and swallowed the promises of this idiot labeled.
            But what has been done cannot be turned back ...
            1. Boralex63
              Boralex63 11 June 2014 04: 23
              0
              2. Because of treachery at the top. But here's the thing. It was MASSIVE. Almost the entire party is rotten through and through. And the people were told to be silent. They trained them to such an extent that this people forgot that they are the power, and not a gang of ruined Kremlin Celestials. - And what is different about "now" ?!
              You contradict yourself, in every paragraph ... So what are you for in general, for the USSR or for "now" ?!
              Are you outraged or complaining ?!
              1. Samurai3X
                Samurai3X 11 June 2014 12: 14
                +2
                I do not defend the current government. They are absolutely no different from the Soviet one so far.
                If there was the will of those who steered the party, they would immediately have changed their ranks with Khrushchev, but apparently they were afraid. Too many trained and fought people were then + restrictions of the constitution and communist rhetoric.
                I am enraged by these fantasizing, pink-eyed dreamers who believe that the USSR was almost an earthly paradise. I am sure that 60-70% dream of a freebie. Many do not understand how the USSR really differed from the present and from all other authorities.
                USSR created a social elevatorwho literally lifted from mud to riches. And it worked. First with big mistakes, then better and better.
                But how did almost the entire elite become pro-Western and patch up the lords? We blame too much on Gorbachev, although there are still many worthy personalities. The same Shevarnadze.
                We lost spiritually, although we won financially.
                Now the population as a whole is richer (if we exclude billionaires), no matter who says it.
                If you choose between the USSR and the Russian Federation, then I would choose the USSR of the year of 45. s and rapists children would be shot. Stealing ministers would enjoy trips to the Gulag
                I agree with the foreign policy pursued by the current government. Inner ... about the mistakes and gaps of the inner one can speak for a long time and with relish.
                This is the first time I’m seeing any advantages of the current government for the first time. The fact whether it is doing good to the population or will be badly really visible after the second term of Putin’s presidency. Then it will be possible to lay out his actions on the bones and look for errors with shortcomings.
                And you can continue to minus ... It feels like I'm talking to naive children who have heard enough tales.
            2. anip
              anip 11 June 2014 06: 01
              +1
              Quote: Samurai3X
              And the people were told to be silent. They have so much persuasion that these people have forgotten that HE is the power, and not a gang of overgrown Kremlin Celestials.

              What time are you talking about? About the present?
            3. _Krechet_
              _Krechet_ 11 June 2014 11: 36
              +2
              1. Regarding the state, pulling the nose and brains.

              This made it possible to "align" society, relieve stress and dangers associated with unemployment and lack of accommodation (crime, homelessness, etc.).

              2. Regarding equality "not so fantastic".

              Now fantastic inequality! The general impoverishment of the bulk, acceptable welfare in a small part and gigantic in units. The middle class, on which the majority of successful states rely, has thinned utterly. As a result, we got / get the prerequisites for unrest (the poor have nothing to lose, but you can get much more). It all depends on who gets the power - the oligarchs have already taken advantage of this. And they just don’t want to hear anything about equality - everything that they can reach, and the stolen one allows a lot - theirs. They are ready to throw handouts to you. Do you work or die.

              3. Regarding collectivization and dispossession.

              For the life of me, I will not believe that the "selected" was buried in the ground. It was a NECESSARY step - people would die anyway - hunger is hunger. All the surplus! (in your case, the excess of the powers of the surplus appropriation units could have taken place) went to the cities where all production is concentrated. The country could be extended only by turning it into an industrialized state. What was done in 20! years. Try to comprehend this achievement. And while comprehending, be sure to keep in mind that all this was created by revolutionaries - people for the most part far from managing a village, city, production, etc. (they are ideologists and fighters). They just really wanted to make the USSR great. And they did it. And most of us still use the achievements of the USSR - to take at least free housing, without which we, with our poor salaries, would have died on the street in the 90s.
              1. Samurai3X
                Samurai3X 11 June 2014 20: 05
                0
                Dekulakization is not in vain so far the peasantry can drive into fury. In the same Ukraine, where it was the most.
                The problem is that they did not ask anyone, but took them by force. It is absolutely clear to me that industry needed to be raised. Change the image of land cultivation and move on to the public economy. But the way this was done and turned a lot of the population against power when the Germans came.
                During the famine, when 1 million + people died in the USSR. Our dearest management managed to sell GRAIN abroad. Is it really gorgeous?
                And if you also actively opposed this ... A counterrevolutionary article in the mouth and endless taiga resorts are waiting for you.
            4. the polar
              the polar 11 June 2014 11: 42
              0
              Svanidze signed up for Samurai3X. I also decided to earn extra money in the comments for free
        2. 222222
          222222 10 June 2014 22: 53
          +3
          "" "" Wealth and luxury are the values ​​of the "consumer society", the civilization of the West. They are inextricably linked with the satisfaction of degradation-parasitic needs, with parasitism and enslavement of some by others, with the degradation of society as a whole, which has brought modern mankind to the brink of destruction of the Biosphere and the death of all life on Earth.

          The security of Russia, the life and well-being of the peoples of the Russian multinational civilization directly depend on the life values ​​of society: the development of Russia through "Western values" is mortally dangerous, and the development through primordially Russian values ​​is health and well-being.
        3. wax
          wax 11 June 2014 00: 22
          +2
          To give a couple or even a hundred pairs of examples does not mean at all to prove something in common. Obviously, from birth, people have a natural equal right to a share in the resources of their country. Everything that is done by the population of the country on the basis of the use of these resources should be fairly distributed according to the labor contribution to the production of the gross product. It follows that appropriation based solely on the possession of resources is contrary to natural law and justice. The author of this article justifiably points out the fundamental difference between the USSR and Russia as a closed company and an LLC, correctly indicating that in the USSR, even with certain perversions, the country's population was a co-owner, and in Russia the population was hired workers from a narrow group of owners. Ukrainian events have in their core this very gap between the owners of land, mines, factories, who appropriated both power and hired workers.
        4. anip
          anip 11 June 2014 05: 58
          +1
          Quote: Samurai3X
          My friend works as a turner in production (on a CNC machine). Has a decent salary,

          For ALL working CNC machines and enterprises with a decent salary is not enough. Strange, huh?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Sweets and cakes only on holidays (New Year and Birthday)

          Well, it’s your grandfather and your parents were greedy. This good has always been enough.
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Try not to go to the Komsomol. Welcome to the world of alienation.

          Well, I was neither a Komsomol member, nor a communist. I have never felt alienation. So do not lie.
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          In fact, most are nostalgic for a FREEbie because they are lazy boobs.

          Why is it, Mikhalych. Does your CNC turner do everything? He himself generates electricity, he himself gives warmth to the houses, he himself produces coal, he himself brings up children in kindergartens, he teaches them in school, he himself washes the floors in hospitals and schools, he takes care of patients in hospitals, he makes cars, he delivers goods to country, grows wheat and livestock? Or is it a CNC turner who uses the labor of "lazy fools"?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Stores are bursting with goods, which in principle are accessible to the majority of the population.

          In principle, the Gelendwagen is available to everyone. But not everyone can buy it, money, you see, is not enough.
          1. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 12 June 2014 02: 10
            0
            Again very emotional rhetoric. Do you have a habit of being rude and swearing at someone’s relatives?
            Quote: anip
            Itself generates electricity ...

            What’s this all about? Or do you think that they pay poorly at nuclear power plants? And those who produce electricity themselves create uranium themselves? What a stupid chain?
            Quote: anip
            Well, it’s your grandfather and your parents were greedy. This good has always been enough

            Quote: anip
            In principle, the Gelendwagen is available to everyone. But not everyone can buy it, money, you see, is not enough.

            Do you answer yourself? Fully accessible?
            Quote: anip
            he teaches them at school

            My mother teaches at school (more precisely in the gymnasium). Middle and high school mathematics teacher of 1 category 45 + thousand rubles (with bonuses). The attitude to teachers is disgusting, the parents of children are just fucking boobies who like anonymous letters to be scribbled by the prosecutor’s office + our dearest ministry of education that overwhelms teachers with HIGHLIGHTS of bureaucratic waste paper. She leaves, having worked there for 30 years in the private sector. Preparing children privately is much simpler, less nerves and emotions later.
        5. anip
          anip 11 June 2014 05: 59
          +3
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Not enough, you see, 20-30K to live them.

          For example, a family of 4 people. Husband 30, wife 20. 50: 4 = 12,5. Do you run into Turkey so much with that kind of money? Or do you mean 20-30 thousand. per person? I would like to know where this work is for 60-80 thousand. Where can I get a job without any protege?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Sausages thuja hucha grades.

          Yes, that's just bought basically the cheapest varieties, and the quality is far from a fountain.
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Any electronics for every taste and color. Televisions in almost every home. Mobile phones at EVERYONE. Computers have 70% of the population!

          Cool. WASN'T YOUR TV AT YOUR HOME ??? Hmm, Greedy still you had a grandfather and parents.
          And about mobile phones and computers, 70% of the population has a counter question: In the eighties, Western countries already had mobile phones in the population and computers in 70%?? O_o. So, maybe, in the West, even during the First World War, they kept cellular communications?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Our population is fucking easy. They think that everyone should live like a king, but not work at the same time.

          To not work is how? Again, remind about those whose work you use, along with the CNC lathe (see above) every day, and who receive pennies for their work? To the campaign, it’s you who are fucked up, or rather, they threw a bone to you a little sweeter, and you immediately took your breath away, even snot bubbles. Or a little lucky in life, so immediately from the realities of most people began to break away?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          so it is that PEOPLE WERE KIND. Everything is simple ...

          Why would that be? There is no desire to think?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          For example, I own a microscopic stake in Yandex and do not regret it.
          So the nagging that used to be better comes from the fact that there used to be more freebies and the state often decided for you how you should live

          So who is there and what does he say about a freebie?
          ..
          Quote: Samurai3X
          Yes, now it’s more difficult to find a job by profession, but there is no lack of work.

          Yeah, there is no shortage. Poorly paid. So people work for pennies. Well, not enough for all the high paying jobs. Yes, and low-paid who will do something? or is she not needed, is this low-paying job? Well, let them liquidate in general those specialties and jobs where low salaries are. How long will you live with your CNC turner?
          ..
          It’s just that too many want too much of life without making much effort.

          You tell agricultural workers or miners of Kuzbass, well, or nurses in clinics.
          1. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 20 June 2014 18: 01
            +1
            It is useless to talk with you. Someone has driven a strange point of view into your head, and you echo him like a Chinese blank by shaking your head. Yes, you are an extremely naughty individual.
            Good luck in life! Given this dissatisfaction with something, you will need it. fellow
        6. gnv731
          gnv731 11 June 2014 07: 28
          +5
          Your friend, a machine operator, most likely works either for a military commissar or for raw materials. Yes, there are many sausages, but there are practically no sausages made of meat. Massive large-scale agriculture is absent.
          In my area there were more than 20 large collective farms and farms. Nothing left. The number of cattle is an order of magnitude less than 20 years ago. Creamery, sausage shop - closed.
          There is practically no production of manufactured goods in the country. If you go to the store, you can see that the vast majority of manufactured goods are produced abroad.
          If, God forbid, the sanctions reach the closure of borders (food supplies), a real famine will begin in the country. Or do you console yourself with the idea that from private warehouses in the cities they will deliver food on the cheap? I can confidently say that this will not happen. The private trader will keep the goods until the last, in the hope of receiving more money.
          The worst thing is that we have lost confidence in the future. I asked my parents how they lived in 70; the father says they lived quietly, did not bother about the apartment - the state will provide (and will not drive you into bondage for 20-30 years), you want to study, study - the state will provide, you did not collect money for sick children around the world, medetsina was free, neither who was not afraid of losing a job, because work was rampant. The pensioner was not afraid to stretch his legs for his retirement, on the contrary went to rest in a sanatorium.
          The current picture: in most areas we are seeing an annual decline in the population (in our area it is already less than it was before the revolution), there are practically no paved roads, work with salaries of 20-30 tr no.
          Previously, the population was not enslaved in banks - now the majority owe the bank, and this is nothing more than a form of slavery.
          Television used to develop people, but now it’s numbing. Estrada turned into a garbage dump, sodomy thrives.
          Yes, now there is freedom for traders, "owners of small blocks of shares," but for the most part, the population has begun to live worse, primarily morally. We have become coarse in our feelings. The Creator man has turned into a man of a merchant and a collector of candy wrappers - money.
          To summarize the above, we have become a capitalist third world country with all the ensuing "advantages".
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 June 2014 17: 42
      +36
      I miss the Motherland-USSR ... Klaas's ashes knock on my heart!
      1. Hariva
        Hariva 10 June 2014 18: 13
        +9
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I miss the Motherland-USSR ... Klaas's ashes knock on my heart!

        I'm not longing. I worry about the fact that nothing better happened ...
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 10 June 2014 18: 58
          +29
          "There has been a change in the form of ownership of CJSC Soviet Union. From now on, ordinary citizens have ceased to be shareholders, and now no one owes them anything. And the elite have securely fixed their position."

          1000+ I agree with you completely. Socialism (let's call a spade a spade) had many shortcomings, excesses, etc. But, in comparison with the restoration of "cave bourgeois", it was a GOLDEN AGE!
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 10 June 2014 19: 26
            +5
            The red fox is right .. at least we have lost so much .. Here and think the guys .. Who needs it and why (especially in the situation in Ukraine and SE)
          2. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 10 June 2014 19: 26
            +1
            The red fox is right .. at least we have lost so much .. Here and think the guys .. Who needs it and why (especially in the situation in Ukraine and SE)
          3. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2014 06: 48
            +2
            Quote: Oprychnik
            “There was a change in the form of ownership of CJSC Soviet Union. From now on, ordinary citizens have ceased to be shareholders, and now no one owes them anything.

            how true it is ... we were given vouchers! wassat
      2. Fitter
        Fitter 10 June 2014 20: 33
        +1
        I don’t know .... everything is written right to the point, to the pen ...
        poured and drank :(
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 10 June 2014 19: 24
      +5
      The author is handsome!
    4. WKS
      WKS 10 June 2014 19: 40
      +3
      Reading an article I recalled the equal rights of two Soviet people, two friends, my friends. One son is Colonel General E.F. Ivanovsky, and the second son is an engineer from the city of Zhukovsky. Both decided to enter the academy of foreign trade. The engineer’s son was hinted at the time of filing the documents - we won’t accept, don’t rock the boat. But he rocked because he had no knowledge gaps. Both passed the exams perfectly, but as promised, they did not accept the engineer’s son. The true equality of all citizens in the USSR was ...
      1. starshina78
        starshina78 10 June 2014 20: 08
        +12
        Dear WKS! You give an example, in your opinion, of the impossibility of entering into an elite Soviet university an ordinary person from an ordinary family. I refute you. My brother at the end of the sailor wanted to go to study on the line of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And he successfully entered, then worked until his retirement at the embassies of the USSR in Turkey, Bolivia, Switzerland, Canada, India, and some others. At the same time, our parents worked all their lives in the factory: father as a house painter, mother as a conductor in an electric furnace, and in our relatives we had priests and criminal elements. In what! It happens! And as for what we have lost and what we have gained? My opinion (and it agrees with the opinions of others) is that we lost confidence in the future and stability, but gained the opportunity to travel freely abroad, and 100 types of sausage made from soy. That's all !
        1. SS68SS
          SS68SS 10 June 2014 21: 03
          +7
          Quote: starshina78
          I disprove you



          It is impossible to judge the system as a whole by isolated cases in life. Kinks and "furry paws" were in the USSR and now exist in Russia, like any other state in the world (to a greater or lesser extent). Another question is how ordinary citizens relate to this and how they resist it. Great corruption starts with small handouts like "if you don't grease, you won't go." But a bribe is always a bribe. And a suitcase with bills and a hundred for a traffic cop should be perceived by ordinary people in the same way - BAD !!!!
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        3. kirqiz ssr
          kirqiz ssr 10 June 2014 21: 33
          +1
          interesting Putin reads such articles or not
        4. Samurai3X
          Samurai3X 10 June 2014 22: 23
          +4
          The Foreign Ministry has always been a closed circle of interests, like lawyers. In MGIMO it was impossible to do. This, by the way, was respected by all respected Lavrov. He said in an interview, allegedly as a joke, that he was an exception to the rules of admission to MGIMO ...
          Although the social elevator worked better than it is now, yes ...
          1. dmb
            dmb 11 June 2014 11: 16
            0
            Did you try to do this in the Soviet years? I entered an elite Moscow university from the army. Many of the guys who came to me were from villages and workers' settlements. Almost all of them have reached very serious heights in the service. I carefully read your comments, and I trace one curious detail in them. When the peasants, during and after the revolution, burned down the landowners' estates and took away everything from armchairs to threshers around the corner, it was the restoration of justice. And when the authorities of these peasants needed bread in order to restore the country after the war devastation, it was a robbery. It is unlikely that you intend to return to the descendants of those landowners what your ancestors took from them. The substitution of concepts is not a new method. So you heap 70 years of Soviet history. I absolutely agree with you about ideology. When the International sang with their souls, they died for it, when they began to sing from pieces of paper, they sold it. Believe me, I'm also trying to understand the cause of the 91 catastrophe, and I treated the "golden youth" no better than you, although I had the opportunity to communicate. By the way, she was also different. While the main reason I see Stalin's inability to stop in time in the centralization of power. When a person, even if he is a genius three times, believes that no one else will do business, not associates will gather around him, but jackals who dream of becoming a leader after him or instead of him. And jackals will always be just a pathetic excuse.
      2. jjj
        jjj 10 June 2014 20: 14
        +15
        In joint-stock companies there are shareholders with large stakes - majority and with tiny - minority shareholders. Minority shareholders are usually not invited to the annual meeting of shareholders of the company, where dividends are actually divided. And in general, trying on a "suit" from the world of capital - ZAO - is somehow not very suitable for a state with a socialist system. The image, of course, turns out to be bright, but crooked.
        I lived and worked in the Soviet Union. When I got married when I was young, we were even given an apartment on the basis that my wife, a university graduate, came to work in the village. Well, also because my father was the chairman of the village council. The remaining university graduates with the same rights lived in hostels.
        There was not enough profit for all the "shareholders". And the fact that housing and communal services are a penny, transport, etc., is because they simply did not pay extra wages. A huge part of the funds went to public consumption funds. And housing, sanatoriums, kindergartens were built for the most part not by the state as such, but by enterprises. And accordingly they shared this wealth only with their own. That is why in the USSR for a good life it was necessary to find a good job and try to work. Then you had a chance to enjoy public goods.
        But talking about good for citizens in the Soviet Union should not be based on these examples. The USSR was a powerful state with a powerful army. No one has directly encroached on the sovereignty of the Union. The legendary KGB terrified all sorts of muddy people. Even the police were still honest for the most part - they were naughty about trifles. People felt under the absolute protection of the state machine. Even in the Caucasus, even in Riga, even in Lviv. This feeling of security and at the same time involvement in the fates of all Soviet people was our main wealth. That's really real about him. And not about trips to the sea and sausage on 2.20
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 10 June 2014 21: 56
          +5
          Quote: jjj
          jjj


          Now you are telling the youth about this, especially that the overwhelming majority of Soviet people had a sense of CONFIDENCE IN THE FUTURE and the PSYCHOLOGY OF SOCIAL OPTIMISM many people don’t understand what they’re talking about ... now try not to think about the future but have everything and basically ... Only the citizens of the former republics, who became independent, speak of the time that they lived under communism, while overwhelmingly not individual individuals, as it is now, the Soviet government in the USSR is only to blame for not being able to feed the well-fed and shod giving them a more complete freedom from obligations to the government and the country. Freedom and the absence of obligations and moral principles were obtained, but the well-fed became hungry and the shod-headed ... And now we again demand that the authorities only feed the hungry and put on the bloated, and the authorities now have complete liberal freedom and the market. impudent and unprincipled. and who didn’t fit into this market is his problem and now everyone from the oligarch to the homeless has INSECURITY IN TOMORROW and, accordingly, SOCIAL PESSIMISM, coupled with the eternal Russian longing for justice with faith in the future, the only allowing you to live and work against all odds ...
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2014 06: 52
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            SOCIAL PESSIMISM, coupled with the eternal Russian longing for justice, with faith in the future, the only way to live and work against all odds ..

            Stas! you ZHYYYrny PLUS! hi
      3. Ulus5
        Ulus5 10 June 2014 21: 07
        +3
        Quote: wks
        Both decided to enter the Academy of Foreign Trade

        Quote: wks
        The true equality of all citizens in the USSR was ...

        I didn’t even try to enter the academy of foreign trade, but I received higher education without bribes, even without any hint of them, and a protege, only on the basis of my knowledge.
        Ideal equality in society cannot exist, since the people who make up this society are weak. But in the USSR, justice and equality were many times greater than now.
      4. Alexei
        Alexei 10 June 2014 21: 43
        +1
        And now, who will act under this condition?))) I think not a guy from a low-income family?)))
      5. Velikoruss
        Velikoruss 10 June 2014 22: 41
        +3
        Tell me, dear, do you think that the scenario you described was spelled out in the Constitution of the USSR or in some regulatory documents of those years? Moreover, it was the very same snickering representatives of the "elites" who provoked the rejection of the socialist model. According to the laws in force of those years, such actions were qualified as the use of their official position for personal gain, the question is who followed the implementation of the laws. I believe that the weak point of the USSR and the main reason for the collapse of the socialist system was the lack of jurisdiction of the party nomenclature. But the very principle of a fair distribution of benefits in society does not become unacceptable or defective from this. In any society, sooner or later, parasites start up and the ability to self-purify depends on the wishes of the members of this society. In my opinion, a more perfect version of "ZAO USSR" may well be revived, only conscious и deliberate the pursuit of this by its members. That is, as the author writes, the citizens of the country should be at least aware on the mechanisms of distribution of benefits under various models of state structure. I don’t think that somewhere on the planet there is a country in which oligarchs make up 50% of the population plus one person wink Everything depends only on us, the citizens of this country, on our desire to start living normally. Like it or not, but what we now have is built with our hands and with our consent. The author is a huge plus! Be sure to replicate this material among my friends.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 11 June 2014 01: 37
          +1
          Quote: Velikorus
          only a conscious and deliberate pursuit of this by its members is required ...

          This is precisely the fundamental problem, it contradicts human nature, it is in the human genes that he cares first of all ABOUT YOUR FAMILY, and in the fulfillment of ideological and abstract (in the eyes of a common man in the street) goals, take a position "and they will cope without me, my hut on the edge ".
          The socialist system is not viable, its fundamental problem is that it is not designed for the HUMAN FACTOR, and can only work in a PERFECT SOCIETY consisting of PERFECT PEOPLE.
    5. varov14
      varov14 10 June 2014 22: 21
      0
      Keeper, what are you talking about, what roots, we have forsaken our fundamental right to our common property and are now rejoicing in front of each other, and my car is cooler - it went fine. And in my young years I was on a new building, this is a bright spot and warms me in my old age, I will not exchange it for any money.
    6. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 11 June 2014 01: 17
      0
      “Article 12. Labor in the USSR is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen on the principle: “he who does not work does not eat” ”

      I still do not understand, so what has changed? request The principle "who does not work, he does not eat" has not changed.
      And for the sake of the benefits "relying on the right of birth", in the same USSR it was necessary to plow in the same way as today - otherwise people would not receive these benefits.
      And the "public domain" a person could not unburden himself, a handful of the same "elitists", who only covered themselves with a red flag, decided for him.

      A citizen in the USSR was more like a minor heir to capital, de jure everything is yours, but de facto you cannot dispose of anything, and all your operatic decides for you, what he gets into a brand - that will be with your property, and no one will ask you - "the guardian knows better." Moreover, the guardian is not a native, but a "people's" one, as in an orphanage, which, moreover, has its own children, who are in the first place for him when distributing his "care".
      So an "equal shareholder" is an illusion created by those in power to maintain obedience. A person was banally deprived of the right to leave this system if it did not suit him and become a full-fledged master of his own destiny, cares about his well-being AT HIS OWN DISCIPLINE and NOT ON ANYONE DEPENDING ON FORCED ORDER.

      The author is laying gently, but it will be hard to sleep. In a prison or a barracks, too, everyone is guaranteed "right to be" food, bed, medical care, labor, everyone is equal ... and DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE. Conceptually, there is no difference.
      In the USSR there was an even greater dependence of man on those who were above him than in the free market — man didn’t have the right to choose. (natural serfdom)
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 10 June 2014 17: 41
    +29
    The main difference Previously, in the first place were people, now money. (Profit, first of all, at any cost)
    1. armageddon
      armageddon 10 June 2014 18: 25
      +21
      HM ... I agree, but a small clarification ... THE INTERESTS OF PEOPLE were intertwined with the state's interests !!! NOW the interests of the STATE are intertwined with the INTERESTS OF BUSINESS ... First of all !!!
  3. smart75
    smart75 10 June 2014 17: 43
    +23
    "An employee can be paid a large salary, but for a piece of profit in a private company - he does not dare to open his mouth. This is taboo."

    True truth.
    The article is excellently written, without ideological howls about how good or bad it was in the USSR.
    Everything about the case. The author is a fat plus.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 10 June 2014 17: 57
      +24
      childhood was childhood ...
      1. smart75
        smart75 10 June 2014 17: 59
        +21
        And most importantly - it was real!
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 10 June 2014 18: 18
          +10
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          childhood was childhood ...

          A good clip reminded me ... winked
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2014 06: 54
            +2
            Quote: Sid.74
            A good clip reminded me ...

            when he wrote, it was this song that was in my head. hi
      2. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 10 June 2014 19: 12
        +15
        Thanks to the author! I was also born and raised in the USSR! The article recalled a lot. Looking at the girls with a guitar, he smiled, and then caught himself thinking that we walked and played on the street fun and most importantly SAFE! (True, they lived mainly in military camps, but they did not hear about pedophiles, terrorists and other scum in the USSR).
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 33
          0
          Quote: Nikoha.2010
          The truth lived mainly in military camps

          No, that's not how it is about everyone. There are not so many of us. The rest of the millions lived "outside". But I regret that my child did not grow up in the town.
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 10 June 2014 20: 04
        +6
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        childhood was childhood ...

        And not only that. There was a country we lost ...
  4. radio operator
    radio operator 10 June 2014 17: 43
    +46
    What I wrote in this article is a terrible thing. If every resident understands how real it is and what exactly people massively lost in the 1991 year, this completely knocks out legitimacy in any political movement, except for those that call for the citizens to return this “basic right”. And in order to return and fix it, it will be necessary to re-nationalize the notorious "pipes" and the financial system.

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/655/yhyc149.jpg
  5. Uncle
    Uncle 10 June 2014 17: 44
    -38
    Land, its subsoil, water, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communication facilities, large agricultural enterprises organized by the state (state farms, machine-tractor stations, etc.), as well utilities and the main housing stock in cities and industrial centers are state property, that is, the public domain. ”
    Everything is collective farm, everything is mine. Passed by. Without private property, nowhere, if common, then no one.
    1. smart75
      smart75 10 June 2014 17: 49
      +8
      This is not entirely true - under Stalin there was private property (artels), simultaneously with collective farms.
    2. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 10 June 2014 17: 57
      +8
      What did you go through? Substitution of concepts, such as for example private and personal property, or prosperity and comfort? Express a thought in more detail.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 10 June 2014 18: 05
        -27
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Express a thought in more detail.

        Did not live by the council? Do not remember how to manage? How lounged in the research institute, pulled the factories?
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 10 June 2014 18: 14
          +16
          You think flat. The USSR was different, very different. I lived, my youth at least passed. Your mistake is that you use cases, are blind to the results. For reference: research institutes, in which you were idle, are now destroyed, at least half. If you don’t know the essence of the issue, better keep silent, it will be much better reflected in the opinion of you, and so they will write to fools, or to a person interested in personal enrichment.
        2. larand
          larand 10 June 2014 18: 49
          +21
          Quote: Uncle
          Quote: Mareman Vasilich
          Express a thought in more detail.

          Did not live by the council? Do not remember how to manage? How lounged in the research institute, pulled the factories?


          This is not to blame for the Soviet system, but the animal nature of people who can be honest only if someone controls them. If the idea was ruined and perverted, then the idea is not to blame, but the specific people who perverted and destroyed it.
        3. kvnvolga2008
          kvnvolga2008 10 June 2014 19: 25
          +3
          Apparently you wrote about yourself here! Yes, there were such little crumbs!
        4. jPilot
          jPilot 10 June 2014 21: 01
          +7
          Under the councils they lived and even managed to work. The article is correct, even more so, a miser is written from what is lost. It is still outraged how the APPOINTED director became the owner of the country's largest plant !!!!! And now he feels almost the king in the city like his children, having set up enterprises abroad, and something their sanctions do not concern !? And all this thanks to the hunchback, Yeltsin and his Gaidar team.
          And about housekeeping, too, do not need la la. I fly around the country for work a lot. I even wanted to shoot a video, it was not possible, maybe when I shoot and lay out, the bottom line is that there are a lot of destroyed livestock farms, and it can be seen that they were built in the last years of the USSR, many were never completed and all this abandoned and plundered.
          And the fact that all sorts of Prokhorov who have disappeared somewhere, claimed that the USSR was bankrupt is all this shameless lies, Russia is now in a much worse condition in many respects. I’ll name one that needs to be restored first of all, these are technical circles and houses of children's creativity for this is the future of the country and its development, without them there will be no creative thought and full-fledged engineers who are already lacking, children and their development is our future !!! !!
        5. s1н7т
          s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 50
          +3
          What nonsense ?! Who planted plants under the Soviets ?! Do you have an attack of anti-Soviet schizophrenia? negative I worked at a research institute, or rather, at NIEFL. Plowed like hell! With a spark in his eyes and a thirst for result. Who should have gone to seminars around the world, who wanted to go to McKinley (if you know where it is). Chicken your wife if she is a fool.
          1. I am
            I am 10 June 2014 23: 13
            0
            I worked at NITI-TESAR while studying at the institute - I confirm all of the above with comrade s1n7t (7).
          2. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2014 06: 58
            +1
            Quote: c1n7
            Chicken your wife if she is a fool.

            no need to offend a woman. you can just go to the market, buy a rooster, and "love" his head ... wassat
        6. I am
          I am 10 June 2014 23: 11
          +1
          The research institutes that were messing around - provided the COUNTRY with new developments, new machines, new electronics and space flights, and most importantly an invincible army. And at the same time DO NOT DEVELOP any trash for the development of consumerism, and if you were engaged, then from production waste. And by the way, the USSR has been gone for more than 20 years, and the ELECTROSHASHLICHNYTSY made at the TESAR Scientific Research Institute of Saratov work fine, unlike modern shit that died immediately after the warranty period. So what I am for TIPS, a planned economy, etc. And loafers, what then, what is missing now.
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 10 June 2014 23: 37
            0
            Socialism will return - other Scandinavians, for example, are already half way. There is simply no alternative to him in the development of mankind. And we will start again from scratch, with the supply of craving gum, jeans and porn.
        7. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2014 06: 56
          +2
          Quote: Uncle
          How lounged in the research institute, pulled the factories?

          it's about today's realities !!!
      2. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 10 June 2014 19: 11
        +1
        I would clarify - prosperity and excess.
    3. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 10 June 2014 19: 10
      +9
      It seems that these are exactly what you dragged from factories and those collective farms!
    4. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 10 June 2014 19: 14
      +7
      This ideology has been hammered into us for more than 20 years, divide and conquer. It is better to live in a team than on a dirty roadside. The article is very correct, I always thought the same way, but I could not formulate it. Private property is different, for some it’s all and most have nothing.
    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik 10 June 2014 19: 22
      +9
      Read LENIN! Den Xiao Ping read it carefully and built Great China! Even Vietnam, under the leadership of the Communist Party, is actively developing! And whom did the West destroy? Socially oriented countries - Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, hammering Syria - so that others would not get used to it! But you won’t stop the story! Capitalism has become obsolete and the West understands this - it is not for nothing that Marx is called the greatest economists of the second millennium ....
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    7. vovan1949
      vovan1949 10 June 2014 20: 10
      +6
      It seems that Thomas More, more than 500 years ago, said that the greatest evil on earth is private property
    8. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 43
      +3
      Are you a collective farmer? Or so - fart on the air? Private property gives rise to the religion of the golden calf, where it does not matter whether you are a collective farmer or a farmer, they will still eat or hook on loans, that is, into slavery, in fact. I had to work on collective farms / state farms - there was no one there, no need to carry the snowstorm from Novodvorskaya!
  6. yehat
    yehat 10 June 2014 17: 45
    +20
    very competent article. A great way to wipe your nose for those who hate the "scoop"
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 10 June 2014 17: 59
      +17
      You hate it too, in your terms. For example, I don't know such a country at all, "scoop". I know the USSR. It all starts small.
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 10 June 2014 19: 17
        +5
        Do not find fault .. the word "scoop" in everyday life, albeit ugly ... and the destruction of the USSR began with the insanity of Khrushchev, such as subsidiary farms and the area of ​​the house on plots of 4 hundred parts. Eh, God did not give the Generalissimo a few more years of life ...
  7. mig31
    mig31 10 June 2014 17: 45
    +4
    Those who work at the feeding trough of people's federal funds have a brutal, inhuman appetite - a billion servings at a time can eat, or even more,
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 10 June 2014 17: 46
    +11
    The article is true, especially for us, those who have lived in the USSR most of their lives. Socialism is the most of all social systems that existed in our earthly civilization, is aimed at human needs and corresponds to the centuries-old aspirations of the working people. All these benefits were stolen from us by a handful of social traitors who broke through to power.
  9. radio operator
    radio operator 10 June 2014 17: 46
    +18
    Oh, and not yet forgotten. The phrase that “elitists” of all stripes like to repeat, recalling President Boris Yeltsin, they say: “He gave us freedom,” in reality means something completely different: - “He gave us freedom.”
    I hope that now you understand both the cynicism and the funny frankness of this phrase. After all, if “us”, he gave something, then from someone - he took something.

    1. sPS
      sPS 10 June 2014 18: 50
      +6
      very much ... even longing has crept in ... there is something to think about why everything is so ... Gorbachev should be responsible for the collapse of the country and not give advice and is now trying to get into politics ... the article is very good, it makes you think ... apparently that's why we are sitting at home but do not defend SLAVYANSK .. hired slave in his state ... GOD give Putin at least something to change ...
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 10 June 2014 19: 16
        +6
        And here do not rely on Putin!)))
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 10 June 2014 19: 31
      +6
      From the words of his grandfather, tears welling up.
  10. GRune
    GRune 10 June 2014 17: 47
    +7
    Bravo author! Especially liked
    Without this right, you are a perpetual mercenary, shaking for fear of losing your job, without a mortgage apartment, and in general - without means of livelihood.
    An employee can pay a large salary, but for a fraction of the profits in a private company - he does not dare to open his mouth. This is a taboo.
  11. private with
    private with 10 June 2014 17: 52
    +3
    Absolutely to the point !!!
  12. Altona
    Altona 10 June 2014 17: 57
    +7
    To each oligarch-kulavlob! Regardless of merit!
  13. Neighbor
    Neighbor 10 June 2014 18: 01
    +9
    Yes, it was nice to work on enthusiasm another time. For the Motherland !!! And now, what enthusiasm is there for the bourgeoisie ... Unless for good grandmas.
  14. kamis51
    kamis51 10 June 2014 18: 02
    +7
    A very correct, necessary and timely article. All the same, it will be necessary to return to the past, not to the USSR - this is unfortunately lost forever, but since development is spiraling, I hope that we (most likely our children or grandchildren) will come to a more developed and humane society built on the foundation of the USSR .
  15. Ossetian
    Ossetian 10 June 2014 18: 05
    +8
    Quote: Uncle
    Everything is collective farm, everything is mine. Passed by. Without private property, nowhere, if common, then no one.

    And OBKhSS caught flies, right?
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 10 June 2014 18: 56
      +14
      Quote: Ossetian
      Quote: Uncle Everything is collective farm, everything is mine. Passed by. Without private property, nowhere, if common, then no one.

      Uncle, I’ll ask the question: how long under the USSR would VORYUGI FROM "OBORONSERVIS" SERDYUKOV and Zhenya Vasilyeva have received? On an especially large scale: Capital measure! Would have already been carried out! But ... someone introduced them to the equity holders of LLC Russia, and they, together with those who appointed them, LAUGH THE NATIONS IN THE EYES! And you, UNCLE, Laugh at YOU, more than US - because, dear, you are also G.L.U. P.E. Ts!
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  16. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 10 June 2014 18: 08
    +10
    Bold plus to the author of the article. It would be useful to read this article to many who still vilify the USSR and enjoy its collapse (although I’m not sure that these people themselves didn’t understand that they were wrong). I would have given everything for those blessed times to return.
  17. EsTaF
    EsTaF 10 June 2014 18: 12
    +4
    Maybe not the topic, but I’ll tell a story about my grandmother.
    At 41m I went to dig trenches, like many tens of thousands of girls and people who were not particularly capable of holding an automatic machine. After the war she went to work on the railway. To hammer in crutches and to carry logs (Belarusian direction). After the war, they gave a room in the Maryina Grove. My husband came from the front as an older man. But, he arrived not just like that, but on a gelding and brought all kinds of jewelry. At 41m near Moscow he was badly damaged by a tank - he was sitting in a trench and the tank was spinning stupidly over it. At 43m he recovered and reached Berlin. He arrived on this gelding, and in 48, he was imprisoned for this case. At 47m my mother was born. At the age of 5, she got sick with deserteria - the 53rd year, the festival in Moscow. wherever my grandmother didn’t turn, they always refused to take treatment. Then, then she took my mother and went to red square with a sign for help. Not even 10 minutes had passed before the organs were taken, but nevertheless they regretted the mother and found a place in one of the hospitals in Moscow. Survived.
    A few years later, the Ministry of Railways moved my family's residence to one of the dormitories in Odintsovo, and a few years later - to the barracks, in Perkhushkovo. This is for several decades of work on the tracks. Such a gift from the scoop was. And in the late 50s, my husband (my grandfather) died due to complications after the war and the prison that he went through, into which he was sent for coming in a trophy car. (Then one local cone drove this car)
    Under the Olympics 80 they offered to paint all the fences around the hut, because it was near the railway and foreigners could ride. Do not paint the fence - we will not give coal for the stove.
    She wrote a statement many times to the name of Amerikanov and other bosses to give them living space. No answer, no greetings all these years. At the end of the 70s, she stopped working on the tracks and went to move.
    So she lived until the 87th year in a barracks-dormitory. swearing, blue neighbors, fights and the wildest dampness and this until the 87th year, until she died.
    My parents bought a co-op in Odintsovo, at 75m - this defused all that horror.
    Grandmother has always been a kind and positive person.
    I’m probably a traitor, since I opened this. I only know one thing. the point is not in the system in which people live, but in the people themselves. in such a way man is that there are wolves, but there are sheep. The right of the strong and arrogant - that’s the whole system. And the rest is noodles on the ears of the crowd.
    And I will never forget the attitude of that country towards my ancestors.
    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 10 June 2014 18: 48
      +7
      No, you are by no means a traitor. There were enough bastards at all times.
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    3. ksv1973
      ksv1973 10 June 2014 18: 53
      +1
      Quote: EsTaF
      I only know one thing. the point is not in the system in which people live, but in the people themselves. in such a way man is that there are wolves, but there are sheep. The right of the strong and arrogant - that’s the whole system. And the rest is noodles on the ears of the crowd.

      Bravo !!! You can’t say more precisely!
      On my own behalf, I want to add the following: we can still see examples of respect for the authorities of our people in a small number of countries in the modern world. In Russia, the first step towards building a truly legal state should be the TOTAL abolition of "flashing lights", except for those installed on emergency vehicles. And officials, starting with the President, let them ride in motorcade with guards. But - observing traffic rules. When they start to be late everywhere and everywhere, then they may be concerned about expanding the road network. And at the same time they will feel a little like a people - from which, in fact, they left. I do not think that in the genealogical trees of 99 percent of our "servants of the people" there are princes and counts.
      1. EsTaF
        EsTaF 10 June 2014 19: 49
        -2
        Yes. It is necessary to call the police and say "what's the matter - officials with flashing lights ride and traffic rules are not written for them"!
        And you can do it! to do even more dramatically - write a letter. cool! )

        He wrote more than once. Fair. Grd wrote a letter back, so that the roads would be paid for all those who travel alone in the car. And then after all, such a disaster with this gas and traffic jams))
        Joking on my part? - I know :) but I just decided to do everything honestly. No rallies, no slogans. He took and wrote. there was an answer. big and fat. even the lower authorities did not consider.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 54
        +1
        Quote: ksv1973
        In Russia, the first step towards building a truly legal state should be TOTAL cancellation

        PRIVATIZATION. The rest is fairy tales for patients with multiple sclerosis!
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 59
      +1
      I generally had fists in my ancestors. So do I hate my homeland because of this? Sick you, my friend, on your head. And a ready resource for the 5th column. You need them on time — well, so that they don’t shoot in the back.
    5. serge
      serge 11 June 2014 06: 39
      0
      At the age of 5, she got sick with deserteria - the 53rd year, the festival in Moscow. wherever my grandmother didn’t turn, they always refused to take treatment.
      ------------------
      Nonsense. Dysentery. At the first appeal - hospitalization. Especially in the USSR. Starley's trip from Germany to Moscow in a Mercedes with jewelry in general from the field of science fiction.
  18. s1н7т
    s1н7т 10 June 2014 18: 16
    +4
    How few people have read, however! Well, of course, once, they are shaking for a mortgage! laughing The article is correct, I support! Only few people will understand, they will be transferred back to "concentration camps" and 200 varieties of sausages.
    1. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 19: 48
      -9
      Plus mortgages that you can just go and buy a home. Not where they’ll settle, not standing in line for 20 years, like my mother, living in a kammunalka, not in the house where the drunk who received housing live by inheritance, but where you want. If there is no money, you study, change jobs, save up. There is an incentive for self-improvement.
      And if everyone is equal - why tear the veins? Why improve? So you studied, studied something to a pain in your head, got a job and you get ... Yes, like Vasya, I’m drunk from the entrance, working from under the sticks. Why be an engineer if a mechanic with a vocational school receives exactly the same thing, or even a higher salary?

      The example of ZAO and LLC, by the way, speaks for itself. Do you know a lot of CJSC?
      Let's put it this way: you have a business plan, there is a business that you can take on. And you are thinking of organizing a JSC. Cool, everything is equal - everything is good. But how do you motivate workers to work? Here is Petya - he must work. And he will sit down to rest. And what do you tell him? "Petya, are you bad"? And you cannot take away the salary, because then you oppress him. Will you give an award to Dima? Well, ok, they gave a couple of rubles more, but why is Dima, if you can just sit and get a little less and not work at all? Where is the incentive?
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 10 June 2014 20: 13
        +3
        In short, you fine them to the fullest! That they did not sit, and gave surplus value! And you, meanwhile, bathe in the baths with heifers! I would tell you!
        The portal does not allow!
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 20: 41
          -5
          Let's be calmer. I'm wrong - correct.
          Ok, fine. It turns out a stick without a carrot. You won’t get more, because you are equal, you’ll get less if you are cut. Those. it is necessary to degrade immediately by the whole team, and not stick out, because you still won’t get anything.

          It will turn out like - there is a dock, there is an obvious constructive jamb, you have an idea. BUT - but ... the idea must be calculated. Why do this if you don’t get anything? You won’t be able to open your own business and make money on your own idea, but you can just hammer a bolt and continue to do as it was, according to the documentation. Then you will not be punished and you can not strain.

          Actually, as it turned out with mass technology. I personally soldered a lot of finishing touches of Soviet technology from books and my thoughts, and after all such modifications for the plant would have cost nothing at all, and the products were many times larger. But no - everyone knew what needed to be completed, but the plant continued to drive the same thing without change. But everyone is happy - because this does not affect the income in any way, and the buyer still has no other choice.

          And how did this wild socialism come about? What happened? Yes, I soldered bundles of updates and made good money for those times. Just because I was finally able to do it and get paid for it, and not from the underground do it for a couple of acquaintances.
          1. Oprychnik
            Oprychnik 10 June 2014 20: 55
            +3
            You want to say that it’s good for you now, it used to be bad, until you took the whip in your hands?
            1. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 21: 06
              -4
              I will not say what is good. But I think that sitting here and having fun with scribbles, I spend my time, instead of tearing my ass off, for example, doing hackwork, or learning something new and getting a more paid job. And the fact that I do not drive a Mercedes is only my fault, because I'm too lazy. And I do not demand that they give me money, because I was born and live here.
              1. Oprychnik
                Oprychnik 10 June 2014 21: 34
                0
                "Yes! We are Scythians! Yes! We are Asians, with slanted and black eyes!" :))) Or maybe the Finno-Ugrians ?!
                1. Skiff_spb
                  Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 24
                  +1
                  Switching to personalities is at least not beautiful, but as a maximum it shows that the opponent has run out of arguments.
                  Well, what do you answer? Anyway, you won’t understand.

                  But I will calm you down, I am Russian, and a native Petersburger. But according to the style of your communication, it became very interesting to me: where are you from? Although, let me guess "Muskwich?"
                  1. Oprychnik
                    Oprychnik 10 June 2014 23: 38
                    0
                    IN ARGUMENTS IN BULK!))) And I, at least, are not from Moscow, but close by. :))) Are you a native Petersburger? Not one of those who came to St. Petersburg after the cancellation of the settled line? And who instead of FIRE say FIRE?))) If so, then it is clear ...
                    1. Skiff_spb
                      Skiff_spb 11 June 2014 10: 10
                      +1
                      Some arguments are rotten, I’ll tell you. Abusive and degrading, with a transition to personality with hints of origin ... Are you a plumber by training?
      2. saag
        saag 10 June 2014 20: 37
        +3
        Quote: Skiff_spb
        Plus mortgages that you can just go and buy a home.

        Yeah, they may not approve a loan for you, interest rates may be such that you overpay half the price of the apartment, you have confidence that you will have work during the duration of the loan agreement, otherwise all kinds of optimizations in connection with crises by capitalists may to be.
        Quote: Skiff_spb
        If there is no money, you study, change jobs, save up.

        Studying costs money, some courses cost a piece or two, not to mention the second highest, you have to pay for everything in a capitalist paradise, and if you do not have money you are sitting on the sidelines of life

        Quote: Skiff_spb
        And if everyone is equal - why tear the veins? Why improve?

        then that you know more about a big project you manage, the salary also did not stand still, but in the Soviet Union the working class sometimes received more engineers, but this does not mean that every quitter had the right to do this, but there were no problems with personnel at factories as it is now , although even then sometimes there were "Wanted, Wanted ..." on notice boards, but this is because production in the USSR was incomparably greater
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 21: 20
          -5
          So - why may I not approve a loan. Let's think it over. I can earn little. This means that nobody really needs my work, otherwise they would pay. But I do not want to learn something that would change jobs.

          Or vice versa - I get enough, but the RFP is gray. So I hide the income, and steal money from the budget? Am I a thief?

          My mortgage for 8 years. Yes, I value work. BUT it will not be this - it will be different. Yes, I have already changed 3 profiles - from an electronics engineer I became a system administrator, from a system administrator I switched to programmers. I had to. Yes, it’s difficult, but real. You just need to study and work, and not sit on the couch.

          Yes, study costs money. The books are terribly expensive, and now you are wasting traffic, of course, on online training courses, learning languages ​​and everything else. Or do you still want someone to make you study, like at school? So like adults are already people?
          When I had no experience I got a job. Worked ... yes, my scholarship was more than my salary! But after finishing my studies I had experience and profession. And not immediately from the university without experience "give me a salary like that of that specialist." So the graduates wander around, because where they take a little, and where they get paid they do not take.

          Big projects. Yes, I agree, it's interesting. But how many people were employed? Yes, complex and difficult fundamental things were done efficiently. Rockets, weapons ... But why were cars so assembled that every time you bought a Zhiguli or a Muscovite, you immediately had to drive it to the garage and sort out and adjust it? Like that joke about an aluminum can? "Yes, from titanium, for a million, to a micron to repeat, but one piece. Yes, easily. But a million for a ruble and from aluminum ... no, we can't."
          1. saag
            saag 10 June 2014 21: 55
            +4
            You see, I understand you, your profiles are similar to mine :-) I do not idealize the USSR, but looking now from the perspective of the current time, if there are some opportunities, the quality of life, paradoxical as it sounds, life was sometimes better when there was a shortage of goods: - )
      3. sled beach
        sled beach 10 June 2014 22: 05
        +2
        You, the comrade of your relatives, think you are a sotkina .. A person who always needs some kind of incentive is an inferior person (the same addict is addicted). And those people who think so, too.
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 30
          -2
          And we are cattle. Give food, free satisfaction of any needs and 98% of the population will simply die out. Look at the Americans what they are turning into.
      4. sled beach
        sled beach 10 June 2014 22: 05
        +1
        You, the comrade of your relatives, think you are a sotkina .. A person who always needs some kind of incentive is an inferior person (the same addict is addicted). And those people who think so, too.
  19. cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 10 June 2014 18: 16
    +4
    Truly a magnificent metaphor :) and the truth of today's youth will be easier to explain :)
  20. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 10 June 2014 18: 18
    +9
    Can take as a rule?
  21. nator78
    nator78 10 June 2014 18: 31
    +21
    Boris Yeltsin wanted power, but drank himself to death on the way to her. The Stalinist constitution is very good. By what right did gas and oil suddenly belong to one of the oligarchs? And why does Gazprom dispose of our natural resources as their own, sells right and left, cynically hiding behind slogans on TV "national heritage"? I suspect that the money for the gas sold does not reach the people, settling on the accounts of oligarchs and politicians (there are no honest politicians by definition).
    1. Tamerlan225
      Tamerlan225 10 June 2014 18: 44
      +4
      Keep good
    2. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 19: 55
      -8
      O. Trumpet and the public domain. Ok, I love this topic.
      And answer my question - what do you work with and what are you making? What is going on for sale abroad?
      And the second question - which one do you buy from overseas?
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 10 June 2014 20: 27
        +3
        Related to you, Skiff_spb. If there is the majority here: "Born in the USSR!", Then you, dear sir -
        "Born uyeop ..." Oh, what am I saying ... and your idol is the golden calf. And when you die, it will certainly happen, your descendants will tear each other's throats after you ... And then they will dig you out of the hole three times and bury you again ... Alas.
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 20: 50
          -3
          Here I am with you calmly, and you will call names. Culture, cho.
          Well, all right - I still don’t know how, and I hope I won’t learn.

          I'm just trying to convey to you a simple thought - in order to buy something there, you need to sell something to them. Buying another mobile phone, computer, a foreign car, you must pay with them something. To pay with something that costs them the same. Otherwise, the course will fall.

          Now the question is - they sell our resources. So be it. You get nothing from this. So be it. Then why do you end up buying imported things? Now, if you produce something that they buy abroad and get their currency, and buy something from them directly with their currency - yes, you are right, you do not get anything from the resources sold. However ... What are you producing? And if it is not sold "there", then why do you buy their equipment? Who pays them for your purchase and how?
          1. Oprychnik
            Oprychnik 10 June 2014 21: 20
            +1
            Skiff_spb
            Sorry, wound up. I want to answer - I also know political economy, not thoroughly, of course. Something also managed to weld during the transition years. I emphasize - LEGAL WAY. I'm not rich. I do not build my well-being on other people. I have nothing from our resources, except that Gazprom shares had to pay for my son’s freedom ...
            1. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 21: 51
              -1
              Well ... I have never had Gazprom shares. And I, too, am not a rich man, but I hate duplicity.
              There may be a mistake, then let's understand.
              For the main work, I work in a transport company and see what is exported. Most of its raw materials are exported. Well, or semi-finished raw materials. Although tractors and KAMAZ trucks were coming, at least someone was doing something.

              So - you do not produce anything abroad. However, it must be understood that you buy many of their equipment. But they do not need rubles - they need their currency, which means that someone must take your rubles, and in return give them their money.

              Well, don’t you sell a car for his cockleshells for a poop? Correctly?

              Then we come to the point that someone should take his shells from the popuas and give him rubles, so that you take these rubles and give him the car. But ... where does that person get the rubles from? He must sell you something in the amount of these rubles. And he sells bananas. He grew bananas and sold you for rubles. In exchange, he received these shells and bought fish there. Here is such an economy.

              What turns out? The one who spent his shells on your car as a result did not spend the bananas that he raised, he spent that fish of the person who exchanged shells for him.

              And now we place the names: you are a man with shells. The man with the bananas selling them for rubles is the Central Bank, and you and the car are a Samsung that produces a mobile phone. Well, bananas are oil, gas and the rest of the "common" that we can still sell enough to buy mobile phones for the population.

              And so - every time you buy a mobile phone, part of your gas and oil actually goes towards paying for this very mobile phone. And you can say as much as you like “they sell our common” - but this is not so simple as it seems.
      2. vsoltan
        vsoltan 10 June 2014 20: 55
        +1
        Skiff, I am a doctor, I work at 3's in the state system, I do not extort, honestly ... in the sum of the years of my studies - 12 (with academic degree), in every 5 years - advanced training, still studying - a certificate, and why I earn less than an uneducated redneck, that somewhere, it was attached there? If you all know well - answer .... or help with the work
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 21: 40
          0
          Well, what can I say to that. If you’ll calm you down, I also have a second working day, from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. Just now one of my trust servers is being backuped and there is time to talk.
          As for earnings, there are private medical centers, which also require doctors. When I needed a comprehensive examination, so that I would not be very interested in work - I underwent an examination there, talked including with doctors - everyone was happy, including the salary. They found a toxocara in me, the doctor asked for a week to study the issue and after the next admission sent me for treatment. And before that, in an ordinary clinic they said that this was some kind of garbage, I guess I was allergic. Try to accept this and generally "next".

          If you are a good specialist, why not try to get a job in such an institution? Yes, there must be a contest there, but are you a good doctor?
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 10 June 2014 23: 14
            +2
            I’m not just a good doctor, I’m a wonderful doctor .... I have strokes all over VAO in Moscow, it’s 2 million people ... like this .... and the public considers me a good doctor .... with which I’m not very I agree, because with experience the confidence is growing that I don’t know everything and not everything ... but, basically, I work in government agencies ... I worked a bit in private and realized that it was not for me to breed clients. That's all such a canoe. Personal
            1. Oprychnik
              Oprychnik 11 June 2014 00: 05
              +1
              +1000
              The more I work in this profession, the more I understand how little depends on us. Despite all our tricks, the principle remains the same: God gave - God took! Experience - more than 30 years.
          2. vsoltan
            vsoltan 10 June 2014 23: 14
            0
            I’m not just a good doctor, I’m a wonderful doctor .... I have strokes all over VAO in Moscow, it’s 2 million people ... like this .... and the public considers me a good doctor .... with which I’m not very I agree, because with experience the confidence is growing that I don’t know everything and not everything ... but, basically, I work in government agencies ... I worked a bit in private and realized that it was not for me to breed clients. That's all such a canoe. Personal
          3. Oprychnik
            Oprychnik 11 June 2014 00: 43
            0
            "Toxocara is an atypical helminth for the human body, despite the fact that it is very similar to ascaris. If it gets to a person, it threatens the parasite with death, since there are no optimal conditions for the development of a full-fledged larva and the continuation of the life cycle. Therefore, the disease cannot be transmitted from one person Nevertheless, in the CIS countries, in particular in Russia, about 40-50% of children are infected with toxocariasis.Adults also suffer from this disease, but children more often due to their close contact with stray animals, games in contaminated sand and soil, insufficient hygiene while walking. "


            Source: http://www.tiensmed.ru/news/toxocara-xv5.html
            1. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 11 June 2014 10: 21
              0
              Yes, I know. Now in the know. So far, I have been treating allergies for 3 years in the clinic. Then I had to undergo a normal examination in a normal clinic, where they already told me how to be treated. Yes, it cost money, but it was done quickly, conveniently for me and with the result.
              Although ... if you count how much money I lost on leave, it’s even cheaper. And the doctors in the clinic ... They don’t care. The doctor then generally said that it does not live in a person at all and it is not necessary to brainwash her, but in the clinic they divorced me, and the antibody readings are a consequence of the contact once transferred. And do not care that the antibodies were scaled over 600, which clearly indicates the current disease. As there was a scoop, it remained. Good free useless medicine.
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 10 June 2014 21: 19
        0
        What is the difference who I work with when it comes to pipes? She is mine. Not all, but something. Put the rest in your ... wallet and finally buy a Mercedes! laughing
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 10 June 2014 21: 49
          0
          Skiff_spb
          Scythian, you seem to be smart, but, as it were, not from this world ... "How far they were from the people!" ... :)))
          1. Skiff_spb
            Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 00
            +1
            Because I’m used to achieve everything with my work and I’m not afraid to look at myself from the outside. I see my laziness, I see what it costs me, and I’m not afraid to admit that I am to blame for most of my problems. And I do not pass the blame on others for my own gouging. I hate duplicity.

            And I don’t understand those people who first give a bribe to a traffic cop for something they have violated, and then shout "corruption is everywhere." I do not understand those who drag every bolt from work, and then yell "the government has plundered everything." But around I see a lot of such people ... They are like that, and I cannot do anything with them, but I can poke their face into their duplicity, and let them minus and beat. But maybe at least one of them will reflect on my words and something will start to change.
            1. Oprychnik
              Oprychnik 11 June 2014 00: 28
              -1
              Self-digging, so to speak ... This is in Russian. That is, you, I'm sorry, you don’t give a bribe to a traffic cop, you just give rights for the violation, and you don’t make any attempts to change the situation? But this is not in Russian ...))) I put you a plus for honesty.
              1. Skiff_spb
                Skiff_spb 11 June 2014 10: 30
                0
                Yes. I myself decided to go around that bus in the oncoming traffic. I am guilty and have been punished. I walked without rights for 4 months, now I don’t do it. Yes, I signed the protocol without question. Would you pay off?

                And if you can pay off the murder - go kill for fun, because you can? And why then say that officials steal? Is it duplicitous? And isn’t it a simple envy - what can they, and you can’t? Then what are you better at?
  22. nikkon09
    nikkon09 10 June 2014 18: 39
    +1
    Thanks to the author and plus, pretending that people have not been deceived by many who are posing as fools, which means fools will continue to be fooled. My opinion is that the state is simply obliged to actively control and redistribute income so that it does not float with fat and the hard worker can live with dignity. I remind the hot guys one revolution we have already experienced, I think we have enough.
    1. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 21: 01
      -3
      Let’s then not be duplicitous and distribute our income to the homeless. A lot of them. They do not have an apartment and a computer to write here; they have nothing to eat. Share with them? Why do you want someone there to share with you, but you yourself do not want to?

      They have billions up there. But we are not a dozen. If you all level again, it is not a fact that your income is no longer redundant. Ready to share? Own 2-bedroom apartment, but the family is one? Squandering. There will be a communal apartment. And yesterday, the homeless, finally, will be able to settle in normal conditions. He does not know how to work, or he cannot. But we will give him part of your salary. And if he just does not want to work? Are you ready for 30-40% of taxes as abroad, instead of the current 13?

      I hate this duplicity. Why does no one want to start with themselves? Let’s finally at least stop spitting on the ceiling and start small - although not to spoil where we live! Today here again I collected garbage in the entrance, why did someone scatter these pieces of paper? Why not just throw them in the trash? Government forced? Why do not I want to live in shit, and around no one can observe basic rules?
      1. saag
        saag 10 June 2014 21: 21
        +2
        Quote: Skiff_spb
        Are you ready for 30-40% of taxes as abroad, instead of the current 13?

        And what are you all looking at abroad, it will not help you, in the USSR there was a progressive income tax on individuals: "The maximum tax rate on the wages of workers and employees is 13% (with wages exceeding 100 rubles per month). For the categories of income tax payers, significant benefits have been established. Low-paid workers are exempt from paying the tax (non-taxable income tax for the minimum wages of workers and employees is 60 rubles, for certain regions - 70 rubles per month) "
        So forget about western tax rates, this is a different world
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 13
          -1
          No problem. You can count. Say, an increased rate will start with income above the 2nd living wage, and for those who have less than one, they are exempted from income and receive subsidies. It will be better this way?

          How many cost of living for your city is your real salary?
      2. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 10 June 2014 22: 07
        -2
        "Why don't I want to live in shit, and no one around can follow basic rules?"

        You are the only one right. All the rest are scoops, quilted jackets, etc. Without a clan tribe. Finno-Ugro-Tatar-Mongols. You are not from Galicia, by any chance?
        1. Skiff_spb
          Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 16
          -1
          Well, actually, from St. Petersburg. I thought my nickname was hinting enough.
          1. I am
            I am 10 June 2014 23: 27
            0
            Moscow and SSB (what kind of city is it ?????) Here is LENINGRAD - THERE WAS A CITY !!!!!!
            So Moscow and St. Petersburg are other countries within the Russian Federation, so do not bulge out - the whole country cannot move to you and DOES NOT WANT !!!! Many though honestly work and live a normal life in their hometown. Therefore, MANY - millet will not even try to jump out of their pants to the detriment of their family and parenting, BUT in other cities of RUSSIA salaries are not very large and few now lie on the couch and rest. BUT the arrogant representatives of the two above-mentioned subjects come (as it was with TITI TESAR) and ruin, or rather plunder the enterprise, they need to have Yandex shares, go to Courchevel, ride an import-shitty car and much more. But the workers do not need it, let them knock it on the street and change their work 10 times a year. NU-PIPES ----- SIMPLY SUCH AS YOU CHANGE, more precisely, divide - by zero !!!!
            1. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 11 June 2014 13: 04
              0
              I agree. In our village, ZP was 5 thousand a month with a tractor driver. But all the bourgeois who receive more let them share. And then they got used to it, they bought a lot of computers and are looking for someone there who gets more, to share, because he stole.
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 June 2014 22: 09
      0
      Have you survived? I bow to your age! My grandmother also survived the revolution, fought with Kotovsky later, and was happy. Or are you talking about another revolution? Then your post, rather, somewhere to the liberals. Well, that cancer prefer to make a cruise to the Canaries, for example. Or, like some here - on a Mercedes. Only the Canaries and Mercedes will smell of shit! Or are you used to it? laughing
    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 10 June 2014 22: 49
      0
      The legal basis of the state is the constitution. The Stalinist constitution was buried and people like you accepted Borkin's opus with a joyful screech, in which there is no place for a working man! There is no right to work, no right to rest, no right to education, in general, besides demagogy, there are no rights! And now a good wish for the duties of the state. The state does not have our duty to take care of the worker!
  23. an_pearl
    an_pearl 10 June 2014 18: 40
    +3
    Thanks to comrade Stalin for our happy childhood !!!
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 June 2014 22: 11
      +1
      No kidding - childhood was happy.
  24. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 June 2014 18: 40
    +5
    Somehow like this...

    Well then:

  25. basmach
    basmach 10 June 2014 18: 41
    +9
    Capitalism is the principle "man is a wolf", socialism is "man is a friend to man". And this is a cardinal difference that also affects the worldview - either you live in a wolf pack, where everyone is ready to break the throat of his neighbor at an opportunity, or in a society that works together for its own good, where there is mutual assistance and mutual assistance and mutual protection. And it is the social system that determines the economic model of the state.
    And the author is well done. It is quite clear and intelligible that it sets out.
    1. sled beach
      sled beach 10 June 2014 20: 39
      +1
      The personal anger of everyone and the desire to fight for their rights decides something. To face the fact that the bosses are snuffed up, and if they do not help to push the team to extremes, then we will and will be, and so the cow also hums at the bottom of the current to the sense of this. The main mutual trust, equal value, when you do not see the difference between the life of a friend and your own. Unfortunately, people too easily lay it all on the altar of personal "benefit" under the words "I have a family of children." . We need a leader "fanatic", a person sick with an idea, and most importantly that people believe him. What we have now is entirely our choice, our flow, permission and patronage. We live in such a world (to such an extent) that we understand and We accept. Thoughts have no strength and do not give motivation.
  26. Neo1982
    Neo1982 10 June 2014 18: 43
    0
    what we lost
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  27. DMB-75
    DMB-75 10 June 2014 18: 43
    +4
    Due to the fact that in Russia they remember the USSR and the patience of the need of the Russians is already in the genes, protests almost never take place. But patience can be the limit, Kiev showed it, where the Nazis took advantage of it, so that money is money, but the welfare of the people should be above all !!!
  28. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 18: 48
    +11
    -------------- hi
  29. Znayka
    Znayka 10 June 2014 18: 49
    +4
    Excellent article, thank you!
  30. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 18: 49
    +7
    two freaks ----- am
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 10 June 2014 22: 15
      +1
      Two criminals!
  31. fly fishing
    fly fishing 10 June 2014 18: 50
    +5
    We all, as before, will remain deprived of the basic right to own a part of the wealth of our entire immense Motherland. Not a particular birch or a particular mine — but a small fraction of the country's total GDP.

    Absolutely right! We have almost no rights, there are obligations, widespread prohibitions and restrictions.
  32. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 18: 51
    +6
    for the collapse of the USSR
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 10 June 2014 19: 57
      +4
      The winner received the medal as well as the Nobel Prize - JUDAH
      1. jPilot
        jPilot 10 June 2014 21: 31
        +3
        He can’t die everything, I don’t understand it that way, but all the blood shed from the beginning of his reign and shed today on his hands is also probably afraid to answer before God and his ancestors in the next world. Burn him in a fiery hyena for a thousand years am
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 10 June 2014 22: 54
        +1
        And this reptile is still aiming at us to teach, "underdeveloped" hums from England!
  33. sabakina
    sabakina 10 June 2014 18: 53
    +8
    What did I personally lose? ..... It was a happy, carefree childhood, there was a lovely romantic youth, the first working steps (1986). A year later, I realized I was born late ... recourse
  34. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 19: 00
    +10
    - FREE ACCOMMODATION
    -FREE EDUCATION
    -FREE MEDICINE
    STRONG ARMY
    STRONG SCIENCE
    -MEMORY
    -MORAL
    -RESPECT
    and you can list a lot if we were ahead of the rest and China
    1. 222222
      222222 10 June 2014 20: 12
      +1
      waisson (2) SU Today, 19:00 - "FREE
      -FREE
      -FREE .. "
      ..... "free only cheese in a mousetrap" ..
      There were public consumption funds .. on this concept a lot on the Internet ..
      But, with the creeping counter-revolution of 1991 and the crawl from socialism to capitalism, they forgot to return to the new capitalist salary the interest allocated earlier to the public consumption fund ..
      1. I am
        I am 10 June 2014 23: 29
        0
        in this case it’s free - of course there was a convention, but THIS WAS GUARANTEED BY THE STATE !!!!! yes, even at our expense, but guaranteed !!!!!
  35. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 19: 02
    +1
    who soldered and ruined the USSR
    1. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 52
      +1
      Those. when many say on Friday "let's go pobukhaem in honor of Friday" - their evil Jews so drunk, and not themselves, their earned money, for the swill, and even complain "bastards, after 10 and do not sell !!!" And then there is nothing to eat at home, because the entire government has plundered?
    2. komrad.klim
      komrad.klim 10 June 2014 22: 57
      0
      they created it - they destroyed it
  36. saag
    saag 10 June 2014 19: 08
    +4
    The people, and what conclusion do you have for yourself for the future?
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 10 June 2014 20: 04
      +2
      Quote: saag
      The people, and what conclusion do you have for yourself for the future?

      I was not born in the USSR and did not grow up in this country. But I have one conclusion: stop dreaming about utopia and say that if you change power, everything will be fine right away. You can blame the tip of the collapse, that's true. However, what the people did - he listened to the tales of these manipulators. The people envied the West and wanted this life, and this is a betrayal. The country would not collapse if its foundation (people) would fulfill its role. Looking to the West is the result for you. Each inhabitant of this country has its own share guilt in her collapse.
      You can minus.
      1. saag
        saag 10 June 2014 20: 39
        +3
        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
        I was not born in the USSR and did not grow in this country. But I have one conclusion: stop dreaming about utopia, and say that when the regime changes, everything will become good right away

        It's funny that you did not grow up, but for you this is utopia, I and some others grew up there, studied and worked, you know the accomplished utopia is no longer a utopia, but something else
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 10 June 2014 23: 44
          0
          Quote: saag
          It's funny that you did not grow up, but for you this is utopia, I and some others grew up there, studied and worked, you know the accomplished utopia is no longer a utopia, but something else

          Utopia is "heaven on earth", a fairy tale for adults as a consolation for the routine and the kingdom of Cinderella for children. If you lived in this utopia, so why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union give you brain power about communism, which will come in 2000. You lived socialism, and for me there are no utopias, I did not say this, did not write and did not even think.
          Sincerely. hi
      2. jPilot
        jPilot 10 June 2014 21: 44
        +1
        Why minus, too right. It all depends on people and their desire to live well, and their ability to work. It was the people who piled Eben on the armor and it was the Muscovites who pulled the whole country. And before that, it was the people who were engaged in excesses in repressions, but the difference is that before there was much less rot and it was more quiet and did it on the sly, and now it is brazen without embarrassment. And the West has a lot to learn, you just don't have to envy, but see "how" it is done and do it better.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 10 June 2014 22: 27
          0
          So we have nothing to learn from them - at all. The Union once already took the best from them, then surpassed it - remember, after the war they still lived on the cards, but we no longer had them. And our cars "Grand Prix" in the same America received. But the "rule" of the incompetent Khrushchev, of course, undermined the country. Does anyone remember that there was a car rental in the Union for the weekend? And the aero taxi? Well, like, drive to Tyumen for the weekend? I didn’t find it myself, but drinking beer to Chita on a plane from Borzi - it was!) So what can these bastards teach us ?! Until the mid-80s, they themselves envied and hated us!
    2. I am
      I am 10 June 2014 23: 31
      0
      Restoring the USSR as it was no longer succeeds, but this does not mean that it is impossible to do better - the main thing is LOVE !!!! And let it be called differently and the head of state will not be the general sec., But the president - let, most importantly, let the new USSR be better than the current reality, may HOPE YOUR HOPE CONFIDENCE IN TOMORROW !!!!!!! !!
      1. talgat_erken
        talgat_erken 11 June 2014 14: 46
        0
        It is very difficult to return the USSR. In fact, this is to restore a socialist state. And this requires a new 1917 year, a new October Revolution. Voluntarily world capitalism and the oligarchs will not return anything to you. And the new Lenin is not yet visible.
  37. waisson
    waisson 10 June 2014 19: 09
    +3
    ------------- hi
  38. 7776665554
    7776665554 10 June 2014 19: 10
    +4
    Ordinary people have lost EVERYTHING! And he acquired only sausage made somewhere and from something.
  39. Ilotan
    Ilotan 10 June 2014 19: 26
    +6
    Private property is very cool if, for example, you invested money and built a furniture factory, making profit from it and providing jobs and contributing to the replenishment of the budget, honestly paying taxes. Or he built a bakery, again providing himself with profit, the state - replenishment of the budget, etc. etc. Or you grow agricultural products. Glory to the percussionists of capitalist labor! But if you pump oil, gas, mine ore, i.e. take what belongs to all the people, including me, appropriating the lion's share of the profit (with what joy is it? Have you grown all this, built?), and you leave me the crumbs, then you are the louse on the body of the state and society. Bring it back, suk, looted!
    1. saag
      saag 10 June 2014 20: 10
      +1
      This is capitalism, for which they fought, they ran into something :-)
    2. Skiff_spb
      Skiff_spb 10 June 2014 22: 57
      0
      And again duplicity ...
      Furniture factory - a common forest. Joiners cut down all the forests!
      Bakery - the use of common land for growing grain. And I want to put a house there - they took the land!

      Oil production, gas - also a huge investment. Look at the high cost of pipelines what a howl.

      Let's all look from both sides.
  40. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 10 June 2014 19: 28
    +2
    Why am I sure that if the beginning of the 90s were returned now, then Yeltsin, along with everyone who promoted him, would literally be hung on pillars above so that everyone would see the traitors and enemies of the people.
    1. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 10 June 2014 22: 12
      +1
      Allegedly, there is no subjunctive mood in history.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 11 June 2014 08: 36
        0
        This is me to ensure that those who stole know how people relate to them.
  41. Alex Alexeev
    Alex Alexeev 10 June 2014 19: 31
    +4
    Thanks to the author for an objective analysis! I put everything on the shelves clearly and clearly. It’s a pity for the lost country, a pity for a calm, serene life when everyone felt like people. Then really everyone was equal and had equal opportunities. Happy are those, including myself, who lived at that time. From the current, unjust life is only bitterness in the soul.
  42. buser
    buser 10 June 2014 19: 33
    +4
    for all its shortcomings, the USSR was a country where ordinary people felt confident !!! The common people were sure that they lived in the best country in the world and for this country they would break the throat of anyone who didn’t like their country !!! The current "sofa rambs" are far from that level of patriotism. Many people scoff at the very word "patriot" now. Calling a person "ohm" is worse than calling him "pid ... ohm" ...
  43. argon
    argon 10 June 2014 19: 34
    -10
    To call the USSR ZAO, and Russia - OOO is very primitive and stupid. Whatever is written in the Constitution of Stalin's or Brezhnev's. An ordinary hard worker has always lived on his salary, and not on "dividends" from minerals. Yes, of course, we can say that the native party gave apartments for free, treated them free of charge in free hospitals. Only for example, cardio centers were in Moscow and somewhere else. And you, in the outback of Russia, wait for your turn (my school friend in 78 did not wait for the turn) for years. I don’t want to remember about total diffsit for everything. Our man could not afford cars, they went on foot, but we were in formation for a demonstration. That there was no telephone law, or that the partogenosse, depending on its caliber, lived on a par with the electorate? Everything went into the common pot, and from there to the residents. Yes, there was no stratification of the material on such a scale as now. Ideology was above the material. There was no such crime, it is a fact. The average resident of the country did not have to work too hard, even it was possible to work with laziness and the living wage was provided. Now everyone has much more opportunities. You want to achieve something-pasha to the fullest. It's bad that the subculture came from there as a dirty sewer stream. And to "filter" all the dirt there is a bunch of government agencies. Another question is how they fulfill their professional duties. A person is so constructed that it is pleasant to remember the young years.
    1. saag
      saag 10 June 2014 20: 13
      -1
      Quote: argon
      Now everyone has much more opportunities. Do you want to achieve something-Pasha to the fullest.

      Yeah, and the bam state devalues ​​the currency by 20 percent, keep plowing on.
    2. bubla5
      bubla5 10 June 2014 20: 19
      +1
      If they hadn’t collapsed, they would have built it all the same, but the state was blinded and drunk
    3. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 10 June 2014 20: 48
      0
      Excuse me, now you probably live in a mansion and spit on top of your bidet on the rest of the people? Did you have an abundance of assertiveness, arrogance and rudeness during the transitional years? Therefore, now shit in the golden toilet, and, from the height of your position))), spit on other people? A curious copy ... HOMO chamicus vulgaris.)))
  44. Bezarius
    Bezarius 10 June 2014 19: 38
    +1
    Great comparison, simple and straightforward :)
  45. parusnik
    parusnik 10 June 2014 19: 41
    +2
    Quote: Uncle
    Did not live by the council? Do not remember how to manage? How lounged in the research institute, pulled the factories?

    Oh! And now they plow their faces in sweat and don’t steal? .. He works with a private trader, steals for ideological reasons .. just like he does not steal from a payer, he also steals at a state-owned enterprise .. and the identity is an excuse .. the state is rich .. at the top they also steal .. Ministers, create their own LLCs, at the expense of state enterprises ..
  46. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 10 June 2014 19: 45
    +5
    In the USSR, every person was protected. I know that for sure. In the 79th, our father died. Mom stayed with 5 children. The elder sister studied in the 1st year in honey. Institute. Mom received 120 rubles a month. She gave each of us a higher education. Pulled out all the children. Question: Could she do this in modern Russia? I understand that the economic model of the socialist system is not effective. But why was it necessary to break the whole system? Why couldn’t we leave the best of socialism? To whom was it profitable? How did dollar billionaires appear in our three-four years of perestroika? I will never understand this.
  47. des-s
    des-s 10 June 2014 19: 55
    -4
    Everything is written, correct, but tricky. In short, they exchanged discrimination for discrimination + genocide. Short but clear.
    1. komrad.klim
      komrad.klim 10 June 2014 22: 54
      +1
      very simple written, even too simple
  48. silverwolf88
    silverwolf88 10 June 2014 19: 58
    +3
    With the loss of the USSR, people were deprived of the faith in the possibility of building a society of social justice ... the belief that ... this ... my work merges into the work of my republic ... that you are a citizen of a great country for something mean in society.

    There were enough shortcomings ... they were in the field of double morality and the weakening of the upbringing of a person of a new formation ... on the principles of the formation of an internal conviction that the socialist system was right ...
  49. roman72-452
    roman72-452 10 June 2014 20: 03
    +5
    I would not idealize the USSR, especially the period before the collapse, there were a lot of positive as well as negative, I would not say that the USSR was created for the people, the people were an appendage to a strong state, but Russia in its modern form is just a Western project for the collapse of everything, so there is no need to wait at all. An interesting country Russia, the communist coup was initiated from outside, but thanks to Stalin one of the most powerful states in the world influencing world politics was formed, now there is also hope for the revival of the country, although it was planned by our "partners "completely different.
  50. P.I.T. 41
    P.I.T. 41 10 June 2014 20: 06
    0
    nostalgia