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I rarely write, only when it’s absolutely impossible to be silent. This time, the last straw was the article "Brilliant Gunmen dot the Eo. Read everything!" Below I will try to present my view on the events.

The first thing everyone would pay attention to is that the trolls regrouped after last year’s failure, prepared new training manuals, and again begin to crap our brains together. Now they work more cunningly, so do not relax your mind and do not succumb to provocations.

Secondly, I would like to express my opinion on the events in Ukraine. I will not repeat capital letters and will not call customers and performers, everything is clear to everyone. I want to draw attention to the position of Russia and the actions of the militias.

Tell me, why did Russia conduct a brilliant operation in the Crimea, a polite operation, how did this go to the masses? Without a single shot and without a drop of blood? What for? If two weeks later a group of desperate guys started playing partisans in the Southeast? In whose interests did Strelkov and his people act? Was there such a critical situation that there was no other solution besides running with machine guns? Or were you thinking of playing heroes under the guise? So now what, not so heroic opinions, when ironed by “Grads” and aviation? Or did you think that you just need to start, and then the older guys will catch up? So this is the thinking of a gop-stop, Russia is still at an incomparably higher level of consciousness, and will not play along with such “heroes”.

Now it’s customary to put pressure on the “Russian soul” and Russian soldiers, they say, we always win and are ready to endure anything to win. So quickly grabbed everything that is, and drove with sticks Tanks turn over ... We are Russians, and we don’t leave ours.

This is true, but the Russians are warriors, not sheep. And if someone from overseas thinks that we, like bulls on a red rag, rush headlong into a trap that we have been placed in Ukraine, I will answer for myself that no - I will not go kill and die, just because it is necessary for someone. I'll think about it first. Are there any Russians there that I don’t leave as a Russian? Or is there already an incomprehensible population with its own selfish interests, which wants to come to our own freebie on our blood?

Where are these Russians for whom you don’t feel sorry for your life? Does 7 000 000 live there? Where are the peaceful rallies even for 500? 000 people? Interfere with "Bandera"? Well, before, maybe, but what about today? Where is the march of the world at least in 1 000 000 people from two areas? Go out and show the whole world, and first of all Russia and me, that you are really opposing Russophobia and the Ukrainization of Russians. Do it, what are you waiting for? In Donetsk, a rally happened about 1500 people ... This is when you and your loved ones are killed and bombed? Do they even have brains there? What interests can there be in order not to go out and say no to all this mayhem ... But no one comes out.

How does everything look from the side? I see that in the Ukrainian chaos some people wanted to play around, perhaps with the “Russian idea,” perhaps in their personal interests. Some small groups of armed people who wanted to provoke the Ukrainian authorities first to a bloody response, and after that Russia to the war with Ukraine and the West, were put together. And what will the Russians end up with? Return your lands and 20 000 000 to your population? Or fall into the trap when they just started to get out of that trap? in which we were driven into the 90s?

In Russia, only the second year is the minimum natural population growth, we just moved away from the Russian cross. We began to develop our economy, finally invest our reserves in our own development, create a friendly union ... and we are again being sent to the slaughter for war.

I do not agree with this, I want my people to live at least a hundred years in the world and regain their strength, I want us to put all our strength to our own development, and not to the destruction of competitors. For we have a lot of competitors and, while you destroy one, others become stronger. Russian total 130-150 million, and the population of the planet - 7 000 000 000 people. We need a Russian billion, we have everything for this, and the earth, and resources, and the mind and God within us. But we do not need war. Let's fight at least once, when we are ready for this for all 100%. Today they are not ready for 100, which means that they will have to pay for their lack of readiness with their lives again. And our lives are too expensive, because we are so little.

Look at all the events in historical run. Today we are the last bastion of humanity and traditional values. We are a unique civilization, and we must survive. Want to help in the "great confrontation" - help, but first help yourself. Lead a healthy lifestyle, create a family and raise children, create your own business or become the best specialist in your field, train and take care of your land, constantly study and become better. If necessary, then give your life for your homeland, but only as a last resort, and not for someone else’s interests from above ... Here it is, our path, for the next decades.

They want to send us as rams for slaughter. "Russian, help your brothers die under the bullets of mercenaries ..." "Are you not Russian, were you afraid?" and such a crap only hot blood and prevents the mind from understanding the essence of the events. Remember the story, the Russians always defeated their enemies with MIND and only then with strength and patience. The Battle of Kulikovo - an ambush regiment, The Battle of the Ice with the Crusaders - the use of terrain and deterrence tactics, Borodino - a strategy higher than tactics, a counteroffensive near Moscow - positional warfare, enemy stretching and proper use of reserves, the Battle of Kursk, Poltava, Izmail and much, much more. The Russians have always beaten the enemy with intelligence and skills, and not just with strength and courage. So why are we now being forced into war in unfavorable conditions for us? Volunteers are good, but how competent is a young man who has a warm heart, but has neither training nor equipment? So why put pressure on patriotism and Russianness in this matter?

I remember reading a fiction book, years ago 5. I do not remember the names, but there is just about the civil war in Ukraine. All one-on-one, as it is now happening, the final scene was an explosion of a gas station with several tons of explosives, which stopped the advance of the Ukrainian / NATO troops for several days, they thought that they used TNW.

The prophetic book, well, at the end was a good thought. Although the “militia” lost, but in the refugee camps from Ukraine on the territory of Russia, entire national divisions were ready and formed to liberate all of Ukraine.

The meaning of everything written is for the Russians to hold their heads and start thinking. Not Ukrainians are our main enemies, and we don’t need to lay down bones for the sake of defeating "hohlov". We need to gather strength for the main battle, each of us, and not to disperse our strength. There are people who are prepared and they do their job, do you want to help them? Get ready Everything is very simple.

This is my general view of the situation. And now on the points of the "interesting" article.

First, supposedly the opinion Strelkov.
1. If we had weapons in abundance, then only the Slavic militia would number several thousand fighters.

Grab military bases, warehouses with weapons. But only at the initial stage of confrontation. Especially, if the local population supports you all, you don’t need a weapon at all. Spend the march of the world, collect at least 100 000 people. To make you believe that you are for "Russians", show these Russians you need to protect. 7 000 000 people live in areas. Bring at least 10% of the population to the streets, mobilize for a peace march, take buses, organize meals. Give a picture that the majority of the population is really Russian, and they want to go home and are ready to fight for themselves. This was not done, although it had to be done before an armed confrontation. Conclusion one, not the majority supports you. And then you call on Russia and the Russians for occupation, not for liberation. With all that it implies.

2. If we had the opportunity not only to arm (as well as dress and shoe) soldiers, but also financially support their families at least at the level of the average local salary (and people come to risk their lives!), Then in Slavyansk we would have a division and would stand in line for weapons.

The same as in the first paragraph. Adjusted for the question, what would you do with the division? Go to Kiev? Then it comes down to the fact that who has more money, he will hire more MERCENARIES. Speech is about mercenaries. If we are talking about the struggle for life and the rights of Russians, then the topic of money fades into the background. Spend the necessary nationalization, seize warehouses and food bases, provide soldiers and families with supplies and means. You say that more than 90% of the population supported in the referendum, let them act, no one opposes your decisions on the ground. Provide a closed loop economy at least for "your division." This is not done, but someone asks for 30 000 000 000 rubles from Russia, although in Russia for this money you can do 100 000 heart operations for sick children and save their lives ... Take our children and give them to your mercenaries? Such logic? Kill 100 000 Russian children to finance your division of 6 000 fighters?

3. If we had a rear (and it is absolutely necessary for a belligerent army), then we would already have been mobilizing, which would have given tens of thousands of fighters - and people still working (and not lying on the couch, like a great many "office plankton "of megacities of Russia, which had long forgotten what labor in industrial enterprises and in the extractive industry is), would en masse and be ready for it.

Same as yours. If yes if only ... You need to think in advance, you can always grab the machine. Weapons are the last resort, even the Maydauns and their Western curators, represented by the CIA, resorted to weapons only at the final stage of the confrontation.

I will repeat: why was it necessary to conduct a bloodless operation in the Crimea, where our troops had both a support base and massive active support of the population? When then in less convenient conditions it is suggested to cross the blades with banderlog and NATO? What is the logic of the call? They substituted Russia, and the blood now flows like water, and the problem is that it is not only the blood of the enemies. My opinion is a mediocre operation and sabotage the interests of the Russian world.

Now, regarding the lines of the author of the article.

1. When the people of Strelkov entered Slavyansk, as well as rallied in Lugansk and Odessa, the ideology (and the installation) was clear - to hold out until the moment when Russia would introduce peacekeeping forces. Do not let kill Russian before Day R.

Who interrupted Russian at this time? Where was it? In Ukrainian forums. Russia only conducted an operation in the Crimea, clearly and correctly, without a drop of blood. And here the guys nullify all acts of civil disagreement and political confrontation, translating the conflict into armed confrontation. What for? Did you have an agreement with Russia? 300 people took the right to decide for the whole Russian world and Russia? Morons? Have a different opinion? What did you count on? Russia will introduce its troops - on what basis? Russia has entered the army in the Crimea? Not. There were Russian troops ALWAYS. In Crimea, there was massive popular support. And there were not Russian troops, but "green men". This is the subtlety of the move, and hence the winning result. Such conditions were not in the DNI and the LC. We acted independently at our own peril and risk, the result was on their own shoulders.

2. Then the Kremlin chickened out. I will not throw stones at anyone individually, especially at Putin, since I have no task to shout: "Putin’s gang is on trial." For such sins, the rulers are responsible at the Last Judgment. But we must clearly understand that the Kremlin was the only coward of Western pressure and Western threats, and did not “begin to adhere to a cunning plan.” The forces in the Russian leadership, oriented to the West, in aggregate began to dominate those who can not always be called nationalists, but who in general are statesmen and anti-globalists, confident that the West will succeed in imposing its play by force.

But this is the work of trolls on new training manuals. Again, stereotypes and a drop in self-esteem. Cowards, traitors, agents inside the Kremlin. Above already written, as it really is. When the fate of a whole civilization and the lives of millions of Russians depend on you, you need to think with your head, and not run with a machine gun, like "Allahakbary." What the United States wants to draw us into. Do not be fooled by propaganda and sabotage.

3. Most likely, the whole story would have rolled back completely, but then the Ukrainians began to get up to SUCH (Odessa, Mariupol, etc.) that there was no turning back either. Hence the strange and shameful picture that we have been witnessing over the last month - inarticulate moans, contradictory gestures and attempts at ideological self-justification by creating myths about "clever multipurpose". Mnogohodovka was in April, and Slavyansk was part of it. In May, the multi-path was gone and even more so in June.

There was no road ahead. There was no extermination of the Russians, there was terror / intimidation. But it all returned as a boomerang to Kiev and Brussels. It was here that one had to be patient and to document everything. As soon as they took up arms, they got one level with them. And now you want Russia to come down to you to the same level of banderlogov / separatists? Whose interest is this? What was thought and thought at all?

Item 4 from the same opera. Nobody would have shot “Grads” if you hadn’t shot AK at the windows. If there was at least one volley howitzer on civilians, the Russian army on all rights would reach the Polish border. But now there are illegal armed groups in the DPR and LPR. And they should protect the Russian army?

On the fifth paragraph, I agree. But what does it mean "but, having made the first step, this game could and should have been played to the end and nothing else"? That is, if you stumbled and stepped on an oncoming lane, you should call all your relatives so that it rolls out under the wheels of cars? For your business you need to answer yourself, and not call, naughty, older brother.

6. The situation of the inhabitants of Slavyansk, and of the entire Donbass, is now defined by the words "bestial betrayal." They were promised that their sacrifice and their exploits are needed for help to come from Russia.

Whose fantasies had such promises? Where? This is all a lie, no one has incited the Southeast to the ARMED Opposition, for this is only NATO and banderlog to play. Russia has powerful trumps in the struggle for Ukraine, but they are not in the category of war. Ukraine is bankrupt, and soon the whole population will see it, all they had to do was wait. Now the population tolerates the power of the oligarchs under the fear of an external military threat ... This is a setup for Russia. Russia will win in Ukraine as well as in Syria. But you need to act from the standpoint of good, not evil. The truth is ours, but today this truth has been blocked by blood ...

8. At the same time, I will emphasize once again that all possibilities existed, even after they refused from a large-scale operation, to pour into the Donbass and specifically into Slavyansk a sufficient amount of armaments and create normal logistic support, so that the Ukrainian army simply ceased to exist under Slavyansk. This would be a clear message to the West about the scale of the losses if they are set up for confrontation with the Russian Federation.

This is a wish of a person who has watched a lot of movies or has played enough video games. Unfortunately, Russia economically loses to the West, hence the protracted war to us in the negative. The events in Syria show that feeding the rebels with weapons only leads to more blood, but it is rarely possible to reverse the course of the war. But the costs for Russia will be enormous.

And most importantly, why was it necessary to raise a weapon if there was no plan and coordination with the Russian Federation? Backward mind all clever. I respect Strelkova, but he doesn’t pull on the commander in chief. Maximum company to command him. Strategies are zero. Why didn’t they create a headquarters right away, why didn’t they immediately captured military units, warehouses and equipment? Why didn’t a massive mobilization of vigilantes still at the peaceful stage of the process? Why did not listen to Russia, when it was necessary?

Further comment on this nonsense is not worth it. These are all the wishes of a "young man" who simply cannot even think that he is not the creator of events in the world. The fact that the guys from the camp of the enemy are able to work is not taken into account. His main desire is for beautiful tanks and airplanes to trample on his enemies, enemies that he does not even see or understand. The author has his head completely blown off, and with all his strength he wants the Russians to start mass-killing their Ukrainians in large numbers.

A blind person is a cripple. I wish everyone to think with their head, and first build themselves, and then go to fight.
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  1. ksv500
    ksv500 10 June 2014 08: 55
    +9
    So began the drain of New Russia under the guise of beautiful words! Nauseous to impossibility !!! In Crimea, there were no rallies of many thousands, now humanitarian aid was stolen there, and now there was no need to help !? And now let the civilian population urge them for their low activity? And by the way, millions came to the referendum !! Nauseous and nasty from powerlessness!
    1. BYV
      BYV 10 June 2014 09: 01
      +16
      The leitmotif of this whole masterpiece is "It's your own fault. You had to relax and have fun." Honestly, I almost never minus an article. I'd rather just not put anything, but with such pleasure I slapped a minus to this vys.eru. Sorry, only one. Such articles are much worse than direct slander and insults.
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 10: 03
        +13
        Quote: BYV
        The leitmotif of this whole masterpiece is "It's your own fault. You had to relax and have fun."

        Isn't the real situation like that? Who is to blame for all this bloody nightmare? Russia or Russians? Ukrainians or Bandera? NATO?
        I ask the simplest question, where was Southeast, when a miserable handful of Banderaites organized outrage in Kiev? What did they expect that when they surrender their positions there, everything will be fine with them?
        And about the reaction of Russia, I can ask you - do you know what provocation is?
        1. sanyavolhv
          sanyavolhv 11 June 2014 02: 11
          +1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          And about the reaction of Russia, I can ask you - you know what provocation is

          health
          Provocation - an attempt to find the truth in the reward of lies.
          you probably don’t know that provocations are different and in different places. Often they are useful!
          people on Yu_V might well not understand what was happening in Kiev. I guess you didn’t know at first there were people who wanted to tell the authorities about the mournful fact that the authorities were stealing. I think THIS IS GOOD when the people tell the authorities STOP STEALING. Well, who is against the fact that the thief should be in prison ??? here and on SE people thought so until they realized that they would be killed.
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      2. WKS
        WKS 10 June 2014 10: 23
        0
        Quote: BYV
        Such articles are much worse than direct slander and insults.

        The author of this article is a disguised virgin.
        1. Orik
          Orik 10 June 2014 17: 22
          +1
          Quote: wks
          Quote: BYV
          Such articles are much worse than direct slander and insults.

          The author of this article is a disguised virgin.

          No, it is worse than this new species are called "dews", and earlier they were called "Ivans who do not remember kinship", the rams were disfigured.
      3. vitalich57
        vitalich57 10 June 2014 10: 57
        +5
        In any development of events, dill will blame Russia - in any case. Let me explain: my sister lives in dill, she has a son, I have 2 people who have served in RA. Now why the hell should I get bullets from Banderlog, and that Ukropovets will peacefully lie on the couch with his mother's boobs or suck beer watching real Coloradas burn and quietly rejoice in his soul that he is so Svidomo. Article 1000+. Before doing something, Strelkov-Girkin and Co. had to think with their heads, not a causal place. In addition, Putin is the president of Russia, not dill, and he protects us Russians, and the problems of ukrov are problems of the Independent and Svidomo. Empty and understand
        1. Gluxar_
          10 June 2014 11: 48
          +2
          Quote: vitalich57
          In any development of events, dill will blame Russia - in any case. Let me explain: my sister lives in dill, she has a son, I have 2 people who have served in RA. Now why the hell should I get bullets from Banderlog, and that Ukropovets will peacefully lie on the couch with his mother's boobs or suck beer watching real Coloradas burn and quietly rejoice in his soul that he is so Svidomo. Article 1000+. Before doing something, Strelkov-Girkin and Co. had to think with their heads, not a causal place. In addition, Putin is the president of Russia, not dill, and he protects us Russians, and the problems of ukrov are problems of the Independent and Svidomo. Empty and understand

          I am glad that there are thinking people on this site, otherwise it has already started to be upset that the trolls have eaten it up in order ...
        2. sv68
          sv68 10 June 2014 14: 01
          +5
          vitalicn57-logic of myhataskraynik - sort it out yourself, and I'll drink a beer. Just the next in line for the slaughter we are Russia, and it won't work out under a woman's skirt. Just think that we won’t regret our side and draw the right conclusions
        3. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 10 June 2014 21: 46
          +1
          Oh, well, if it were only dill problems. Ukrainians will begin to produce shale gas in the Donbass, groundwater over hundreds of kilometers will become poisoned. And these are already border areas, ours. Yatsenyuk also agreed with the Americans to make dill a dump of radioactive waste (he sold his mother!). I bet no protective measures against radiation will be taken there!
    2. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 09: 59
      0
      Quote: ksv500
      So began the drain of New Russia under the guise of beautiful words!

      What do you mean by these words? What does "drain" mean? And what can be "not drain"?
      By your logic, it is precisely then that you merge Novorossia, being the representative of the divan troops ... of which there are already plenty.
      1. hotspur
        hotspur 10 June 2014 23: 21
        -1
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Quote: ksv500
        So began the drain of New Russia under the guise of beautiful words!

        What do you mean by these words? What does "drain" mean?


        Residents of Slavyansk, beaten by the Grad (who have electricity), watch their favorite (until recently) channel "Russia24". The news is all about switching back to "winter" time. Their city is not even in the top five news ...
        The discharge of New Russia will begin with the media. In fact - has already begun.

        By topic: What did Strelkov count on and the inhabitants of Donbass who supported the militia and the referendum on independence?

        0: 35-1: 05 - listen and do not say that you did not hear !!



        A nation that tries to avoid war at the cost of shame receives both WAR and SHAME.
        Shame we already have.
    3. winkiller
      winkiller 10 June 2014 10: 10
      +8
      Quote: ksv500
      In Crimea, many thousands of rallies were not

      Here you are wrong, everything was rallies, and the people's militia after the first rallies, and the Crimeans themselves are very proud that everyone stood up. Read the Crimean forums. When people went to rallies, they themselves did not expect that there would be so many people. 30-40 thousand per city is already a lot.

      But the author of course juggles. Motives Strelka and Putin are not known to anyone except them. People are very sorry, but we don’t understand something.
      1. huut
        huut 10 June 2014 13: 00
        +4
        Quote: winkiller
        But the author of course juggles. Motives Strelka and Putin are not known to anyone except them. People are very sorry, but we don’t understand something.

        I agree. Literally yesterday, he himself wrote one-on-one comments similar to this article. But ... with further reflection, I came to the conclusion that the real motives are unknown, and such a conclusion according to indirect data, it is not complete and therefore not entirely true.
        And what is true? It seems that the armed militia is in the plans of Russia, but so far in the semi-active phase, that is, it plays into our hands. Even if it was originally in itself.
        Strelkov’s calls can be a game or ignorance (used in the dark), you never know how ...

        The article is good, but only for intermediate reflection, it is not worth building the final conclusion about the situation on its basis. Think further)
    4. krasin
      krasin 10 June 2014 10: 26
      -4
      And without losing time, the official authorities of Ukraine “get rid” of their ethnic Russian citizens, forcibly evicting them from the eastern regions of Ukraine to Russia. It would be possible to “send” these refugees to the Crimea, in order to preserve the demographic balance in the Crimea, but in Moscow, now it’s not before that, they set about sending humanitarian aid to the Israeli citizen Igor Strelkov-Girkind. The fact that the head of the militias in eastern Ukraine, Igor Strelkov, who is also Girkin-Girkind, is an Israeli citizen and a former employee of MOSSAD, said Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Israel to Ukraine Reuven Dean Il in Kiev in an official speech (http: // anna-news .info / node / 16258). An interesting situation was created in the theater of military operations in the eastern regions of Ukraine: on both sides they set fire to a fratricidal war between the peoples of Ukraine and Russia, citizens, “eagles” of the Jewish people like Igor Kolomoisky (Head of the Jewish Community of Ukraine) and Dmitry Yarosh (leader of the Right Sector) the similarity of the CIA special forces - "Gladio") on the one hand, and Strelkov-Girkind- on the other:

      Clipping from the article above "The crisis in Ukraine ....."
    5. Orel
      Orel 10 June 2014 11: 23
      +5
      A good player is not good because he always goes all the way, but because he knows when to stop. Putin feels this line well. Russia is doing exactly as much as it can in order to get the maximum and lose the minimum. Crimean operation was justified. Intervention in the Donbass is gone. There was no overwhelming support from the local population. If it were, then there would really be thousands of demonstrations and weapons would not be needed then, and if it came to that, then the Donbass would be independent without the help of Russia. Until they take up the fight themselves, not one, but in large numbers for their freedom and independence, no one will do it for them.
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 11: 52
        0
        Quote: Orel
        A good player is not good because he always goes all the way, but because he knows when to stop. Putin feels this line well. Russia is doing exactly as much as it can in order to get the maximum and lose the minimum. Crimean operation was justified. Intervention in the Donbass is gone. There was no overwhelming support from the local population. If it were, then there would really be thousands of demonstrations and weapons would not be needed then, and if it came to that, then the Donbass would be independent without the help of Russia. Until they take up the fight themselves, not one, but in large numbers for their freedom and independence, no one will do it for them.

        Perhaps the battle for Novorossia is needed, but it was necessary to start it closer to the winter of 2015, so that the population could enjoy the power of zapadentsev and oligarchs. Shooters greatly spoiled these plans.
        1. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 10 June 2014 21: 50
          +1
          In the winter of 2015 it would be too late, NATO would stand in Donetsk! Can you even see a couple of steps forward, or only one?
      2. Belgam
        Belgam 10 June 2014 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: ksv500
        So began the drain of New Russia under the guise of beautiful words!

        I fully support it, now there will be more and more such articles, justifying power above all.

        To the author, the only question is what would he do if after drinking in the next apartment they would start loudly yelling and shooting with an appeal to cut out his whole family ??? Would he arrange a rally or take out a berdank from under the bed and wait, as they did in SE?

    6. Validator
      Validator 10 June 2014 12: 21
      +7
      The author seemed to forget that everything began in the Southeast, not with Strelkov, but with rallies in Donetsk, Kharkov and Odessa, which were attended by just tens of thousands of people. Then there was the capture of the Regional State Administration in Donetsk and the SBU in Lugansk, which were carried out by local activists. Then the decision to reassign the security forces. And only then Strelkov appeared. Accordingly, all subsequent conclusions and accusations of the author in this article are incorrect, this is distortion and demagogy.
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 13: 26
        0
        Quote: Validator
        The author seemed to forget that everything began in the Southeast, not with Strelkov, but with rallies in Donetsk, Kharkov and Odessa, which were attended by just tens of thousands of people. Then there was the capture of the Regional State Administration in Donetsk and the SBU in Lugansk, which were carried out by local activists. Then the decision to reassign the security forces. And only then Strelkov appeared. Accordingly, all subsequent conclusions and accusations of the author in this article are incorrect, this is distortion and demagogy.

        And the Southeast has achieved a lot by acting peacefully. And Russia then just brought its troops to the border and said that if they use military force against peaceful demonstrations, we will not stand aside.
        And then Strelkov with armed people appears on the scene. Since then, there have been no peaceful mass actions and Russia has withdrawn troops, because supporting the militants is not thankful and always dangerous.
        And if Strelkov and other supporters of the armed rebellion had prepared normally and took power into their own hands, it would have been good. But they did NOTHING. They simply untied the hands of the Kiev junta and tied the hands of Russia.
        What effect did they achieve? Captured one town that does not really matter?
        And why attack with weapons? They already controlled everything that was needed by peaceful means. Were you afraid to storm the security forces unarmed? Were they afraid that they would use weapons against them and kill 5-10 people? What kind of picture would it be for all the media? Security officials shoot peaceful demonstrators ... a classic move that the West has used many times ... but Russia cannot, it is necessary that strange people with weapons seize some local police station, where two cripples with a pistol ... heroes ... But they immediately called terrorists, because they have ALL signs of illegal armed formations attacking security forces of the "legitimate" government ... WHERE IS THE LOGIC of the act? Russian heroes? Even Bandera fought for a long time with chains and slingshots ... the Nazis ... and here the "Russians" with full gear and weapons ... for no good reason ... decided to play their muscles.
        This is a failure. An insulting failure and setup of all Russians.
        The problem is that this has already been done, but you still need to look for a way out .. but now the way out is a hundred times further and more complicated. Here is the real result of this adventure.
        And the trolls are now shouting "Russia has leaked the Russians" ... "Putin betrayed and the weakling" ... etc.
        Do not be fooled by provocations, see the root.
    7. Samurai3X
      Samurai3X 10 June 2014 12: 38
      -1
      Where is this New Russia? Just the name of the territory in which the self-proclaimed formations are operating, many of which are already marauding in full.
      Most of the population (unfortunately) are already passive Ukrainians who sit on the priest exactly. The only place of unity is Slavyansk.
      Now the majority of this population in the east has a fortune - my hut is on the edge. And this is not in cities, towns. It is simple in every home.
      After frequent trips to Ukraine, I realized one simple thing. The Russian spirit is there only in the Crimea. This was known in our leadership, and therefore they went on this operation, which was carried out expertly precisely because the majority of the population silently said their "approvals". As a person slightly familiar with the "topic" in the office there are special departments of analysts who monthly probes moods, beliefs, etc. in different countries in one way or another connected with Russia and interesting to Russia. Then they issue their report, on the basis of which they act at the top. The system has been operating since the 80s.
      Do you think that in the Southeast did not conduct polls, etc.?
      Our leadership made the only right decision - maintaining the integrity of Ukraine with greater independence of the regions. Now all this meat grinder plays in favor of the one whose cellulite ass sticks out from everywhere - the USA.
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 13: 31
        -2
        Quote: Samurai3X
        Our leadership made the only right decision - maintaining the integrity of Ukraine with greater independence of the regions. Now all this meat grinder plays in favor of the one whose cellulite ass sticks out from everywhere - the USA.

        This is the only right decision in the current state of affairs. People come to your senses. A year ago, someone wanted to exterminate Ukrainians? They planted it on saucers only in the winter ... and now the mass of sheep is ready to die and kill. We need the whole of Ukraine, it is part of our people, albeit fooled. We definitely do not need another 45 million Russophobes.
        1. Samurai3X
          Samurai3X 10 June 2014 15: 52
          -1
          Our economy is already a little torn. 250 + billion will be needed only in Crimea. And the stabilization fund is not rubber. How many will be needed for the whole non-stock I shudder to count.
          This is a completely different people already. And in order to re-educate them, it will be necessary to spend not 23 years, but 40 years.
          It’s very easy to break, but it’s more difficult to fix it.

          I think that the ideal US plan was that the Russian Federation would occupy and annex the territory of Ukraine and try to put things in order there. With this, they could achieve 2's goals:
          1. Russia is enemy # 1 and don’t look that there is capitalism, there Putin signs daily executions to all homosexuals and arranges another famine to poor Ukrainians. This will be able to mobilize both the United States and all NATO and Western countries.
          2. At least 4-5 million extremely embittered Russian-speaking citizens of the Russian Federation, far-right Russophobes who cannot be distinguished from normal people. An unplowed field for terrorism with a Slavic face and other delights. We have hardly calmed the Caucasus, but there were much fewer of them. Instability in the rest of the Russian Federation, as it spills everywhere.
          Still want to send troops? I don’t.
  2. saag
    saag 10 June 2014 08: 57
    +2
    like you guys started this in vain, nobody asked you, we would have done it ourselves, it’s like continuing the company to drain the republics, interesting things are happening in this world ...

    "... to finally invest your reserves in your own development"

    By the way, I recently learned that according to some budget rule, money from the sale of hydrocarbons cannot be invested domestically, they wanted to change it, but it didn’t work out, such a development
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 10: 27
      0
      Quote: saag
      Ipa guys you started this in vain, nobody asked you, we would have done it ourselves, it’s like continuing the company to drain the republics, interesting things are happening in this world ...

      And tell me why they started this? Do you support Strelkov’s path? Then why aren't you with him?
      Try to discern the true state of affairs and think strategically. I support the ideas of Strelkov in the South-East of Ukraine and the very idea of ​​New Russia. However, one must distinguish between desires and real possibilities for the implementation of plans.
      The main idea of ​​the article is that 0,15% of the population should not decide for the remaining 99,85% of the population. For this is chaos and lawlessness, in normal language. As for "Russia is dumping," Russia has been in the position of a civil negotiation process for the past 4 years, not military interventions. And now the actions of individual people are hitting the credibility of Russia and its international image. And these are not such empty concepts as it might seem at first glance.
      The United States was publicly disgraced last year in several directions at once - first of all, Snowden, then a lie about chemical weapons and a desire to attack Syria. Russia outplayed the United States and gained tangible benefits from the restoration of influence in the Middle East to military orders from Iraq and Egypt. We repelled a significant terrorist attack on the North Caucasus and in Tatarstan we closed the flows to Syria ... a lot of things are being done and this is not always visible to ordinary people. And today we are forced to stand on the same level with the United States, they support terrorists in Syria, and we in Ukraine ... this is how all events in the international media are interpreted. And finally, understand that the war in Ukraine is a CIVIL WAR of the Slavs, and for the most part Russians. This must not be allowed.
      95% of the population of Ukraine do not want war, Bandera among them are few. You just need to show the Ukrainians how they are being thrown for a good time by their oligarchs and the West and the United States behind them. And then New Russia will appear bloodless and healthy. And Western Ukraine itself will enter at least the CU.
      However, the war antagonizes Ukrainians and Russians, creating a Russian anti-Russian state with a population of 45 million people at our borders.
      Confrontation with Russia-this is the only thing that can save the Kiev junta from failure and the people's Maidan. This is their only chance and we are not entitled to give them such an opportunity.
      Quote: saag
      "... to finally invest your reserves in your own development"

      By the way, I recently learned that according to some budget rule, money from the sale of hydrocarbons cannot be invested domestically, they wanted to change it, but it didn’t work out, such a development

      Not money from the sale of hydrocarbons, but funds exceeding the planned level of prices for oil products. This rule has been around for many years, thanks to it the Stabilization Fund and the National Welfare Fund just appeared. And thanks to these funds, today Russia without any problems can invest 20 rubles in re-equipment and build bridges worth 000 rubles. If we spent all that we received, then even without a big drawdown on energy prices, it would lead to a massive treasury and not payment of pensions. Do not confuse the concept, the budget rule is valid for the current year in the planning of expenses, all incomes that exceed the planned ones go to the reserve funds, of which they are spent as early as next year but for targeted programs.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 10 June 2014 10: 54
        +1
        Gluxar +
        I was immediately embarrassed by the answer of the SE leaders on transferring the referendum. During this time (less than a day) you can find out the opinion of only militias, but not the population. On this opportunity to pursue Big politics for SE ended.
        Further - the normal pragmatism of P. 140 million against 2 thousand riflemen - this is not the situation. The author correctly notes that they don’t get into politics with a gun. The times of Che and Castro are long gone.
        1. Gluxar_
          10 June 2014 11: 54
          0
          Quote: GrBear
          Gluxar +
          I was immediately embarrassed by the answer of the SE leaders on transferring the referendum. During this time (less than a day) you can find out the opinion of only militias, but not the population. This ended the opportunity to pursue Big politics for SE.
          Further - the normal pragmatism of P. 140 million against 2 thousand riflemen - this is not the situation. The author correctly notes that they don’t get into politics with a gun. The times of Che and Castro are long gone.

          There will always be times for Che and Castro, but you need to THINK and plan in advance five steps ahead. To strike at the right time and in the right place, and not be fought on provocations and substitute your own ...
          1. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 10 June 2014 15: 55
            0
            Wave with your foot.
            To follow such manners in world politics, geopolitics, given that the world is already multipolar - very short-sighted.
  3. nachprod
    nachprod 10 June 2014 08: 59
    +2
    Big huge bold plus article! Almost everything is correctly painted. But there is one BUT. Most likely the coordination of their actions with Russia was. And most likely someone from the leadership of the Russian Federation wanted to look at the reaction of the Junta and the United States. As a result, the flywheel spins, and it was too late to slow it down.
    But no big deal! What is not being done is for the better. And by spring dill will become bankrupt, and no geyropa will save them. They will crawl back to Vladimir Vladimirovich to change fat for gas discounts and investments .... let it be too late ...
    1. snifer
      snifer 10 June 2014 09: 05
      +6
      nor what's so terrible how is it? there artillery erases settlements from the face of the earth there is genocide is there anything terrible ??? belay
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 10: 31
        -1
        Quote: snifer
        nor what's so terrible how is it? there artillery erases settlements from the face of the earth there is genocide is there anything terrible ???

        There is a war going on. Shoot from both sides. Fortunately, the war is still small and there is an opportunity to negotiate peace. The Kiev junta will soon run out of money. We haven’t agreed on gas, so let's see what happens next. I think that the authorities will crumble for several months.
    2. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 10 June 2014 09: 10
      +1
      But there is one BUT. Most likely the coordination of their actions with Russia was

      And why then "fat plus"? This whole article is based on the fact that they themselves muddied the water and let them say now they themselves and disentangle it, and we will stand on the sidelines while they are beaten. Article minus extreme obesity !!
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 10 June 2014 11: 07
        +1
        Start thinking while reading. The article clearly states that Russia will not get into this conflict like an elephant in a china shop. And they "muddied" and swayed - indeed they themselves managed to "kick" a helping hand (postponing the referendum). It was possible to respond adequately and massively to the first actions of the junta, but they preferred machine guns. Why two republics? Have you ever wondered? Because, without killing the beast, they began to divide. And they did not agree in two months! The people sensed it. The local chuiks have blood in their blood for distributing lulls.

        About "let's stand". Don't stand there. Or should someone else?
  4. snifer
    snifer 10 June 2014 09: 00
    +6
    Dear, you forget after what started in Novorossiya, uprising and so on and so forth, you forget Putin’s words. I, unlike dill, have a memory and I remember how it all began, I don’t need to sculpt a hunchback with respect article minus
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 10: 33
      -3
      Quote: snifer
      Dear, you forget after what started in Novorossiya, uprising and so on and so forth, you forget Putin’s words. I, unlike dill, have a memory and I remember how it all began, I don’t need to sculpt a hunchback with respect article minus

      And recall how it all began in New Russia? And remind me of what Strelkov and Southeast did during the Maidan for 3 months ... remind me or tell me better.
  5. Egen
    Egen 10 June 2014 09: 01
    +6
    "You need to think IN ADVANCE, you can always grab the machine gun"
    Alexander, everything is correct, however, in advance they did not think! IN ADVANCE - it was at least 10 years ago, and preferably 20, when there was still some kind of Russian influence in third world countries and in post-Soviet ones. And now the war is on the verge of OUR home! This is all of course IMHO and as I understand it. You need to think, oh, how you should, and now - especially! But now you can’t do without an automatic machine :(
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Egen
      "You need to think IN ADVANCE, you can always grab the machine gun"
      Alexander, everything is correct, however, in advance they did not think! IN ADVANCE - it was at least 10 years ago, and preferably 20, when there was still some kind of Russian influence in third world countries and in post-Soviet ones. And now the war is on the verge of OUR home! This is all of course IMHO and as I understand it. You need to think, oh, how you should, and now - especially! But now you can’t do without an automatic machine :(

      It's never too late to think. Today it’s stupid to surrender an assault rifle, but to drag our country into a war is generally criminal.
      What can be done ? Conduct a popular plebiscite, send half of the activists not to patrol the streets, but to bypass all citizens by apartment. To ask everyone a direct question of what they want and what they are capable of - to ask them to go to the rally-procession in an organized manner. If necessary, accommodate everyone in public buildings to show the whole world that Strelkov is not a loner TERRORIST, that behind him is a real people. And show not on a piece of paper but by helicopter shooting of hundreds of thousands of supporters of Novorossi's own development. A peaceful action under the "shelling" of the Ukrainian junta.
      This will give a hundred times more effect. This needs to be done urgently, it had to be done after May 11, it had to be done at the very beginning of the confrontation, it had to be done during the Maidan in Kiev. It's not too late to do it.
      Then, even in the event of a war, Russia will join it. Today it is not clear for whom to enter into confrontation with NATO, it was Afghanistan that gave us a good lesson. You need to see for whom you are fighting ... but for the mystical 7 cowards or "my hut on the edge" you don't want to die or starve in any way. That's the whole point.
  6. WETER
    WETER 10 June 2014 09: 04
    +1
    Strelkova should not be taken literally. The impression is that this person is wise, experienced and cunning, and not at all who he appears to be.
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 10: 41
      0
      Quote: WETER
      Strelkova should not be taken literally. The impression is that this person is wise, experienced and cunning, and not at all who he appears to be.

      But judging by his actions of wisdom, he just lacks. He is brave and decisive - this is a lieutenant, but not a general.
      1. Orik
        Orik 10 June 2014 17: 27
        0
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Quote: WETER
        Strelkova should not be taken literally. The impression is that this person is wise, experienced and cunning, and not at all who he appears to be.

        But judging by his actions of wisdom, he just lacks. He is brave and decisive - this is a lieutenant, but not a general.

        Yap, you definitely don't have it, but a bunch of posts ... it's already stinking.
      2. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 10 June 2014 22: 00
        0
        Capercaillie, admit, you have how many convolutions? .. In your head, and not elsewhere! Judging by your hard, verified conclusions, you have few of them. Or I'm wrong?
  7. tokin1959
    tokin1959 10 June 2014 09: 05
    +7
    the author of the article, justifying the "drain" of Novorossiya and Strelkov, is a traitor.
    Already read disgusting.
    1. Egen
      Egen 10 June 2014 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: tokin1959
      the author of the article, justifying the "drain" of Novorossiya and Strelkov - a traitor

      just looking from an abstracted point of view ... But I agree with you - in this regard it is simply dishonest.
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 10: 55
        -1
        Quote: Egen
        just looking from an abstracted point of view ... But I agree with you - in this regard it is simply dishonest.

        And how honest will it be? Let's think together with you. How fair is it? We will send Russian guys there, let them die. Good - they went in, destroyed the advanced mercenary bases ... what's next? Will we go to Kiev? How do you like the casualties of 200 people? Kiev was well occupied, by this time the Western quarters of Kiev will already have NATO. Thermonuclear War? Section on current positions. Good. 000 million people with destroyed infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of obvious dill and sabotage of special services of all Western countries, Islamists in the territory of New Russia and a constant influx of mercenaries from the West and East. The second Syria is near Russia. At the same time, Syria was first bombed without any opinion from Russia, up to 25 militants were sent to Ukraine and Central Asia, to the North Caucasus. Pipelines from Qatar go to the Mediterranean Sea and, as a result, by 100-000 they replace part of Russian gas in European markets.
        At the same time, Russia is spending on its military company and counter-terrorism operation both in the territory of Novorossia and so intensely in the North Caucasus and Central Asia.
        Revenues are sharply reduced, the budget is scarce, international companies are curtailing their work in Russia. The government is forced to cut back on social and development programs. Minimize health care reform, sports programs, maternity capital and preferential mortgages ... and much more. Internal discontent is growing, the country is again plunging into depression ... There is a sabotage of economic modernization, the population is starting to die out again ... and much more ...
        And this is a normal price for the return of one's own people from the "foreign yoke", especially more than 25 million.
        But what happens next? Judging by the last 23 years, as soon as food becomes bad both in Russia and in Novorossia, our new "citizens" will start talking about a new Holodomor already in Novorossia, and as soon as they are promised golden years and a lot of fat in the West, they will quickly reunite with Western Ukraine .. and some will demand compensation for the duration of the "occupation".
        It can not be so ? So the same thing has happened more than once. Only the one who fights for his rights and is responsible for his choice, which has to be dragged onto his hump, will betray you at the first opportunity.
        1. Egen
          Egen 10 June 2014 11: 12
          +3
          Alex, first of all, why all of a sudden die right away, victims? IMHO - against the regular army of a handful of Bandera is zilch! What is it, a triple of tanks, a pair of Acacias and one Tulip? A pair of helicopters and a ground attack aircraft? Are these serious forces? It’s clear that this is only the tip, but at least multiply by 10, it’s not serious anyway. One normal Soviet-style regiment with standard means will establish control over all two areas. OK, 2 regiment, even a division. Where did the victims come from? This is not Iraq, where the population is against, not Afghanistan.
          And in Kiev it is better to send troops under the auspices of the UN and not Russia, this is understandable.
          Well, your scenario is accepted. But let's take another scenario - we are silent. What will happen then? IMHO the same just before. + image decline on the world stage, China sends our gas and so on, etc.
          Therefore, you need not sit and attack on all fronts from Syria to ..., see my next article about gas wars about this.
          1. Gluxar_
            10 June 2014 12: 00
            -2
            Quote: Egen
            IMHO - against the regular army of a handful of Bandera is zilch! What's there, three tanks, a pair of Acacias and one Tulip? A pair of helicopters and an attack aircraft? Are these serious forces? It’s clear that this is only the tip, but multiply by at least 10, it’s not serious anyway. One normal Soviet-style regiment with standard means will establish control over all two regions. Good, 2 regiments, even a division. Where did the victims come from? This is not Iraq, where the population is against, not Afghanistan.

            You correctly wrote that IMHO. Have you been to the war to talk like that or have you seen enough films? What is one regiment per country with a population of 45 million? Well, enough of the nonsense "hurray-patriotic writing." War is a serious matter and must be approached seriously. Russia has enough funds to defeat the ukramiya and the national guard with minimal losses. but this is only the beginning of the war. NATO only needs to drag us in and then the bloodbath will begin. You need to control the territory, create garrisons and much more. It is very difficult and costly and vulnerable to terrorist attacks, and NATO has a lot of militants. In Syria alone, there were 250 "rotation" fighters. And terrorist attacks will not only be against Russian troops, but also against local ones ... and as a result, Russians will still die, but only on a larger scale. You need to act smart.
            1. Egen
              Egen 10 June 2014 12: 13
              +1
              Quote: Gluxar_
              You correctly wrote that IMHO. Were you in the war to talk like that or have you seen enough movies? What is one regiment in a country with a population of 45 million?

              In the war, no, God had mercy (or maybe - on the contrary), and the academies never finished, but the teachings "passed", not quite old, not dull, I remember something :) Where are those 45 million? A few thousand are fighting, the rest - the civilian population is sitting at home.
              Quote: Gluxar_
              Russia has enough funds to defeat Ukraine and the National Guard with minimal losses

              I'm talking about it!
              Quote: Gluxar_
              It is necessary to control the territory, create garrisons and much more.

              and for this there are these 45 million !!
              Quote: Gluxar_
              vulnerable to terrorist attacks

              What are the terrorist attacks in a friendly territory with the support of the population? Clearly, Volgograd and so on, but still!
              Well, I agree that in your reasoning there is a rational grain and even a bag of it, but so what is the alternative? Act smart - how?
              1. Gluxar_
                10 June 2014 13: 37
                0
                Quote: Egen
                In the war, no, God had mercy (or maybe - on the contrary), and the academies never finished, but the teachings "passed", not quite old, not dull, I remember something :) Where are those 45 million? A few thousand are fighting, the rest - the civilian population is sitting at home.
                Quote: Gluxar_

                It is now fighting several thousand, but in the event of war there will be hundreds of thousands. And not at the behest of the heart, but by order and the LAW on mobilization in wartime.
                Quote: Egen
                and for this there are these 45 million !!

                This is the main question. If you recorded them in our allies by your own pledge, then in Ukraine there would not be what it is. one must sometimes be able to admit facts, albeit very unpleasant. There is a duped population. As well as in Russia in 90.
                The difference is that the economic conditions in Ukraine were better with the collapse of the USSR, they got more. They did not have their own Chechnya and national movements ... they did not have the debts of the USSR and much more. They did not go the way of purifying their consciousness, they remain captive to the American illusions of the 90s. Today it's their time to clean ...
                Don't bother them. Ukraine is a part of Russia and we will be reunited, we just need people who have recovered their sight and are responsible, not "Ukrainians".
                The main thing is to have an endurance and not to create the image of the Russian enemy, let them meet with reality.
                1. Egen
                  Egen 10 June 2014 14: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Gluxar_
                  This is the main question. If you recorded them in our allies by your own pledge, then in Ukraine there would not be what it is. one must sometimes be able to admit facts, albeit very unpleasant. There is a duped population. As well as in Russia in 90.

                  no, well ... then in general all this is pointless in the end, are you that :(
  8. Horly
    Horly 10 June 2014 09: 06
    0
    Here is the answer to why our rulers behave this way - when such "patriots" brought up by "Echo of Moscow" begin to hammer into their heads that white is black and vice versa. And - they drive it competently - it will pass on the sucker! Only Russian people who know how to think will not get away with such a mess! So you go ... to Benediktov!
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Horly
      Only those who know how to think Russian people such crap will not work! So go on ... to Benediktov!

      Did you call yourself a thinker? Well, let's state your vision of the process and the way out of it. And then you can see who really thinks with his head. and who have hormones.
  9. Ursidae
    Ursidae 10 June 2014 09: 09
    +4
    "Troll tactics have changed" ...
    So here it is!
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 10 June 2014 09: 32
      +3
      now they scribble such "vyser"
  10. -SHADOW-
    -SHADOW- 10 June 2014 09: 12
    +1
    There is a healthy grain, but I disagree with many ...
    + or - I will not bet ...
    1. xenofont7
      xenofont7 10 June 2014 10: 00
      +1
      grain that is, but minus anyway hi
  11. HROM5966
    HROM5966 10 June 2014 09: 14
    -8
    I agree 100 percent with the author.
  12. andj61
    andj61 10 June 2014 09: 17
    +11
    The article is very controversial. It seems to be both healthy thoughts and worries about the people, but ...
    It is worth answering the question: who first started shooting? Who began to attack, use armored vehicles, not very light weapons, aviation - against their own people? And everything becomes more clear: not at all militias, and not even riflemen. And, therefore, they had the right to retaliation.
    And now - after Odessa, Mariupol, the bombing of Donetsk, Lugansk, the destruction of Slavyansk - how can all this be forgiven? Could riflemen successfully act without the support of the population? No, they could not. If instead of the National Guard in Slavyansk (Donetsk, Lugansk) politicians came to negotiate with journalists, if they were supported by the people in this, then the Strelkovites would in no way be able to go against the opinion of the people.
    Escalation of the conflict has always been carried out by the privates. They should just stop shooting. If you are strong, start first. Blaming romance-Strelkov for everything is stupid. There are always such people. I left the hut, went to fight ... Remember? But there are few such people, and they cannot decisively influence the opinion of the vast masses.
    And the political system, treaties, federalization-decentralization - this is all secondary. But can it be, will the people want to live in such a state, where they do not listen to the opinion of the people, but immediately start shooting?
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 15
      -2
      Quote: andj61
      It is worth answering the question: who first started shooting? Who began to attack, use armored vehicles, not very light weapons, aviation - against their own people? And everything becomes more clear: not at all militias, and not even riflemen. And, therefore, they had the right to retaliation.

      Do not bother all in one pile. Who started the first? That is the main question. There are two more differences: peaceful protest, albeit with the seizure of administrative buildings and armed rebellion. There was no genocide and there were no clear grounds for starting an armed confrontation either. While groups of banderlogs mocked the Russians, they poured water on the scales of the Russian world ... they gave grounds for humanitarian intervention and reduced the authority of the already not legitimate Kiev authorities. How many acts of such terror were there? A lot, but the score was tens. How many deaths were there? units. And each case created a sensation and hostility to the Kiev junta.
      The tragedy in Odessa came from the fright of the Banderlog that the situation in the DPR and LPR would repeat itself. But this happened when the pandora's box was already open. And what is today? The number of those killed is already in the hundreds, and who is now the villain is no longer clear. Because BOTH sides use weapons and even artillery. And no one cares anymore about the balance of power, because both sides wanted a fight ... they got it. But now all of a sudden they want Russia to enter the fray, like a kid ... Russia, however, before these decided "an arrow in the Crimea," as an adult without blood. And they want her back to the yard brawl.
      And the West stands and grins ... it is unbeatable in this situation. And why expose Russia in such a situation. A provocation with a referendum ... Putin openly asked to "postpone it." But who turned out to be the smartest? So now then whine, the smartest do it with your own mind. New Russia is not merged and no one will merge it, except for those who created it. Let them begin to act, but there should be one stake on the table, this is "Novorossiya", not the privileged package "Novorossiya-return of Crimea-Russia-NATO at our borders."
      There are ways and methods of struggle, the situation is not critical. But Russia should not be drawn into the war.
      By the way, Russia is already full of claims from "patriots", which already negatively affects the motivation of people and their expectations. And where, strictly speaking, is the resistance of Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk? Where is this Russian revolt? Why out of 25 people oppose the Kiev junta two units of 000 people each? What is this circus of absurdity? And Russia is to blame and "dumps its own" and it needs to start a thermonuclear war with the whole world ... This is the main victory of the trolls and traitors, the very thesis that "Russia is dumping."
      After all, it became clear to everyone that it was the United States that was merging its allies - this was a victory for Russia. Today, their analysts want to level the moral throughout Russia and the United States, which is unacceptable for us.
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  13. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 10 June 2014 09: 20
    +2
    Who yells about trolls the most? ...
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      Ivan Petrovich 10 June 2014 10: 45
      +1
      Yes, the author is just a pedrosovsky hamster
  14. Deff
    Deff 10 June 2014 09: 27
    +6
    All these conclusions in the article would be good, in the absence of losses and refugees. More than 3000 killed on both sides, more than 35000 refugees.
    And with today's availability, this is demagoguery. It was Putin who said: "The Russians don't abandon their own!"
    And it was under this "Advance" that the liberation war in the South-East began!
    And then suddenly it turns out that it’s even impossible to help technically and with arms, although the same America openly helps the same Syrian opposition. And there is confidence that someone in the government has simply managed to cope with fear of personal sanctions (and for specific sanctions of the economies of individual oligarchs).

    I am sure that ordinary people, especially the generation older than 35, are ready to support and stand up for the honor of Russia and suffer a couple of years. And we will convince the younger ones, the younger ones, these are our children and grandchildren.
    Moreover, Russia has fat, and a stabilization fund and gold reserves. Even Khodorkovsky doubted the possibility of short sanctions. And you cannot blame him for the love of Russia.

    Further, the subsidization of the ATO (anti-terrorist operation) by our Gazprom, with repeated extensions, once again confirms this. Every day free gas injection: this is 20-30 million dollars. And there is confidence that part of this gas is moving quietly by the regime abroad. For there are no real loans yet, and pensions are somehow paid, and this is hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Every day ATO - 3-5 million dollars. And taking into account the losses in equipment and manpower - so all 30. And Strelkov does not even have enough for doctors and medicines. And every day of such "fraternal" assistance (from the statements of our leader and ending with what to hide there - by lending to the regime and the war of Kiev against the Russians) simply takes dozens of lives, destroys what has been acquired over the years. Naturally, in this situation, there will be no Novorossia either in Odessa or in Nikolaev. And those of ours who yesterday were on the side of Russia with their souls will despise it today. And tomorrow, tomorrow the "swamp herd" will be resumed and will be supported.

    How to proceed: - Block the gas to Kiev, recommend Europe to credit on the security of the gas pipe (control and security of supply), pay with targeted tranches for the debts of Kiev. This can be done by political measures and practical ones. This is our product and our right to demand debt.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 10 June 2014 11: 24
      -1
      Well spelled out, Deff.
      And about the murdered and refugees (we feed these). But about
      Moreover, Russia has fat, and a stabilization fund and gold reserves.
      to shake - not even a walker thought of.

      With the "pipe" will be dealt with without you. There for a long time, no fools. This was appreciated in the EU as well, otherwise they would not have twitched ("show" in Normandy).
    2. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 39
      -2
      Quote: Deff
      All these conclusions in the article would be good, in the absence of losses and refugees. More than 3000 killed on both sides, more than 35000 refugees.

      And tell me how many were killed or refugees before the armed struggle of Strelkov’s detachment began? Did you have to do this?
      Quote: Deff
      And with today's availability, this is demagoguery. It was Putin who said: "The Russians don't abandon their own!"

      To what events did he say this? Is this a prearranged signal? You mold some myths. Putin is a strategist and understands the situation, and regarding the South-East he said "postpone the referendum." It was, there is no other.
      And again, the question of their ... WHERE ARE THEIR OWN? Where is 7 of ours? I do not see them point blank, I see the battle of 000 Spartans. And that’s all. But everyone knows how this battle ended. And the main victory here is not on the battlefield, but in the hearts. And if you remember, only heroic death can raise the masses ... but this sacrifice is needed. Tsar Leonid called neighbors for help? He even left his own idle people for a walk on holidays and went to die himself. This immortalized him.
      Quote: Deff
      I am sure that ordinary people, especially the generation older than 35, are ready to support and stand up for the honor of Russia and suffer a couple of years. And we will convince the younger ones, the younger ones, these are our children and grandchildren.

      For whom to fight? You do not understand what is happening? it’s easier to evacuate 300 people to Russia, as it was with Berkut, than it is not clear who to get Afghanistan.
      Quote: Deff
      Further, the subsidization of the ATO (anti-terrorist operation) by our Gazprom, with repeated extensions, once again confirms this. Every day free gas injection: it's 20-30 million dollars

      And you can imagine that 46% of Russian exports to Europe go through Ukraine. It may be that the crane has not yet been shut off, it’s all the same support not from the ATO, but the saving of Russian lives in its own country. For example, somewhere they pay doctors and deliver new equipment in the hospital, and they save lives for small children ... Russian lives. And they save hundreds of lives every day, because there are funds for these programs. But there is no freebie on gas, we have shown the right position to the whole world, we haven’t turned off the tap like hysteria from Kiev with a moratorium on the supply of military components. This is the position of power and a great power, we fulfill our obligations. This is the power of Russia - in truth. But there is a limit to everything, today the negotiations have failed and already from 11 they can turn off the crane. So do not bother all in one pile.
      Quote: Deff
      But Strelkov is not enough even for doctors and medicines

      Because he was not a strategist and acted "at random", that is the problem. if the rebellion had been properly organized, the border outposts were immediately captured, their own security forces were appointed, and much more. it would have been a quick MILITARY victory ... today the chances are fading, the train has left, but not through Russia's fault. And through the fault of those who were in a hurry and framed everyone with their incompetence.
  15. AndreyS
    AndreyS 10 June 2014 09: 30
    +1
    The first thing everyone would pay attention to is that the trolls regrouped after last year’s failure, prepared new training manuals, and again begin to crap our brains together. Now they work more cunningly, so do not relax your mind and do not succumb to provocations. Gold words! But the whole article simply contradicts them!
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 40
      -2
      Quote: Deff
      And those of ours who yesterday were on the side of Russia with their souls will despise it today. And tomorrow, tomorrow the "swamp herd" will be resumed and will be supported.

      And this is the main goal of the CIA and the West, and they perfectly achieve it thanks to the provocations of Strelkov and the like. This is the problem - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions."
      Quote: Deff
      How to proceed: - Block the gas to Kiev, recommend Europe to credit on the security of the gas pipe (control and security of supply), pay with targeted tranches for the debts of Kiev. This can be done by political measures and practical ones. This is our product and our right to demand debt.

      But does this not really happen? It’s just not done hysterically. Russia has shown that it is ready to negotiate and Europe supported us precisely because we did not immediately close the valve. Negotiations failed, now block. And we’ll bring everything back. But Strelkov has nothing to do with this, if he would have made better preparations for the winter, the result would have been different. Residents of Ukraine should have felt all the joys of the chosen or imposed path in order to return with great zeal to mother Russia. But the military provocation turned everything upside down, this is a huge failure of the Southeast.
  16. Hyperboreec
    Hyperboreec 10 June 2014 09: 30
    0
    I agree that there is NO majority support. The people of the DNI and LC do not go to the rally. And if they would have gathered a rally of about 700 thousand, you look and the EU has seen a little of their sight and Kiev is soooooo so many people, and Russia helped - knowing that there are pro-Russian citizens.
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 41
      -1
      Quote: Giperboreec
      I agree that there is NO majority support. The people of the DNI and LC do not go to the rally. And if they would have gathered a rally of about 700 thousand, you look and the EU has seen a little of their sight and Kiev is soooooo so many people, and Russia helped - knowing that there are pro-Russian citizens.

      The first sensible comment. People see all the carton as a whole, and not just how you want.
      In addition to us, there is another 7 population and everyone has their own ideas. Real action and facts are needed, not the desire of individual citizens.
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  17. nicollider
    nicollider 10 June 2014 09: 31
    +2
    kg / am, the author relies on inaccurate data and therefore draws incorrect conclusions. The author is Alexander Rodonov, are you a Cossack?

    as the author correctly said, this is the only thing true - the trolls retreated, regrouped and attack again
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 43
      -4
      Quote: nicollider
      kg / am, the author relies on inaccurate data and therefore draws incorrect conclusions. The author is Alexander Rodonov, are you a Cossack?

      How is the data? Do you have more reliable sources? Show me a picture of the mass demonstration of the inhabitants of the DPR and LPR against the Kiev junta. The loyalty of the mixed population and its activity is the main factor and the main resource of any changes. This is not there unfortunately.
  18. Maxpotan
    Maxpotan 10 June 2014 09: 40
    +4
    The constant screams and snot about the "drain" of Novorossiya are surprising. Ladies and gentlemen, modern war is not only a stupid and heroic deployment of troops. The shooters and Moscow are brilliantly outplaying NATO with their requests and silence. It is overplaying. Do you want to expose Russia as an aggressor? As the people say - "take a bite!" Meanwhile, the militia of Novorossiya is shooting down helicopters ... From what? From your grandfather's trophy rifle? For some reason, the United States does not trumpet the "drain", but removes the leadership of its intelligence services. The author of the article is right that the trolls launched a massive attack on Putin's weakness. Those who know how to think see not weakness and "drain" but wisdom. A little time will pass and Novorossiya will strengthen itself as an independent ... and then we'll see.
    1. Kite
      Kite 10 June 2014 13: 08
      0
      Quote: MaxPotan
      By requesting riflemen and Moscow in response silence brilliantly replay NATO.

      - Well, NATO has yet to replay, but Western propaganda cuts the language.
  19. Vend
    Vend 10 June 2014 09: 47
    +2
    The author clearly says, before taking up the machine, you need to find financing. Like Maidan, the right sector. We must be well prepared in other words, think through the operation. And the brain must be in another country. Then it will be easier to blame. And so the people rose, there were people who began to help. Difficulties. there can not be. Do not blame Putin, he is responsible for a huge country. What can and should be done.
    1. Deff
      Deff 10 June 2014 10: 07
      -2
      Yes, Kiev can no longer worry about financing, it just gradually drains the stored free gas abroad. But Strelkov, yes, he’s so cunning. First of all, he needed to find financing. For the war against him is already funded, supposedly by accident, but by us!
      1. Gluxar_
        10 June 2014 12: 41
        +1
        Quote: Deff
        Yes, Kiev can no longer worry about financing, it just gradually drains the stored free gas abroad. But Strelkov, yes, he’s so cunning. First of all, he needed to find financing. For the war against him is already funded, supposedly by accident, but by us!

        You are either an amateur or a troll. Gas can not be drained slowly. There is a Russia-EU contract and Russia-Ukraine. All gas is accounted for at our border. The fact that Ukrainians pump their gas from underground storage facilities will be a heavy burden on them by winter, when it will be necessary to supply it to the West. The fact that Kiev is stealing today. we only benefit. Debt is growing and Europe’s vulnerability is growing, Russia is not violating its obligations. Moreover, as Europeans become more accommodating, we will be able to invoice the contract for the shortfall in previous periods. And this is not 4 billion, but more than 16 billion dollars. We can simply collect all of New Russia for debts, without a single shot ... if we simplify all processes. But you just had to wait ... now everything is anointed with blood and is not so simple.
        1. Deff
          Deff 10 June 2014 14: 26
          0
          Yes, I don’t care where it is taken into account, the debt does not change, the bottom line is that Kiev has at the moment money for the war, which he hopes to win. And he sold it or burned it for heating, with payment by the population, this is no longer important. The important thing is that we credit his war now, - we, with our unpaid gas !.
  20. yesipov1979
    yesipov1979 10 June 2014 09: 54
    -2
    I agree with the author of the article. There are two main problems.
    1. There is no certainty that the population of Donbass wants our support, and generally to Russia.
    2. Having started the war, we will forever lose Ukraine and they will certainly be taken into NATO. Putin knows what he is doing. After all, the goal is not the DNI and LC, but the whole of Ukraine! Our task is to restore the empire, the entire Russian world, maybe in the future we will even collect all the Slavs.

    PS Another thing, if anyone wants war, let him go to Strelkov, he will give you Kalash, prove to everyone how to do it. Why sit and write, go fight!
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 11: 46
      0
      Quote: yesipov1979
      I agree with the author of the article. There are two main problems.
      1. There is no certainty that the population of Donbass wants our support, and generally to Russia.

      This is the biggest problem. Sanctions and such nonsense is a small price for the return and salvation of OWN. But there are few of them. there freeloaders who will betray as soon as possible, they already betray themselves. They shoot at them, and they sit and shake. I do not want to die for such. Only by their own actions and will they can prove that they are their own.
  21. Tanya
    Tanya 10 June 2014 09: 55
    +1
    It should be recognized that the author is right in the general concept - evolution is better than revolution. Better many children than heroic death on the barricades. Better strong business than national, but weak. Better peaceful internationalism than national war. Everyone needs to learn from wise rulers - Stalin, in his time, despite the devastation, sent through 12 thousand kilometers to the war with Japan tired but experienced soldiers. To save the gene pool of a bloodless country. And also, quickly and very quickly win. He had a time when he had to close the front with his bodies, but when a choice arose, he chose a healthy and numerous future for the country. Putin VV knew right away that after the referendum everyone would rush to ask the Russian Federation for salvation, because they had voted. But world politics is not the justice of a children's sandbox. Good must be with teeth or it will not be. World politics is a war for resources, goods, treasures, and only last but not least for justice, goodness and honor. All honest are quickly absorbed by the strong.
  22. besergio
    besergio 10 June 2014 10: 00
    -2
    and what author is clever !!! and now for this little thing people-their own people-children, women-die .... sold ...
  23. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 10 June 2014 10: 02
    0
    The article is written hard. Some points are true.
    "Did Russia send troops to Crimea? No. There were Russian troops ALWAYS. In Crimea there was massive support from the population. And there were not Russian troops, but" little green men. "This is the subtlety of the move, and hence the victorious result. HAS NOT BEEN IN DNR and LNR ". I agree - this is the answer to those cries that they took Crimea, but here we cannot - the situation is fundamentally different.
    "Look at all events in a historical perspective. Today we are the last stronghold of humanity and traditional values. We are a unique civilization, and we must survive" - ​​well, this is too much: the East is almost the entire unique civilization, and there are many countries opposing themselves to Western philosophy.
    As for the deployment of troops: my younger brother served a year ago. Suppose he serves now. And if there was talk now that he would go to war in the east of Ukraine, I would be against it. And he would have been in only one case - if he had gone VOLUNTEER. That is, if it were HIS choice, he should risk his life for the idea of ​​his choice. But the amazing thing: now not regular Russian troops are fighting there, but VOLUNTEERS.
    Shooters: here you can guess for months (and thank God). He is a hero without discussion. But there are questions: if he started on a voluntary basis and a person from the people - how he ended up in Slavyansk (there was something like shale gas there .....) and how he manages to crush so many Natsiks with relatively small losses ? If he is the person who is needed - so he 100% wages an information war - a predictable enemy - a dead enemy. Do not believe everything he writes.
  24. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 10 June 2014 10: 02
    +2
    I agree with the not completely voiced author, but many points especially regarding disorganization and inertia in the DPR, especially the miners, are true. The LPR acts as a more or less holistic mechanism, the DPR has no one control center. The fact of shelling the tank storage base in Artyomovsk, the 3 shot of their grenade launcher and everything is indicative. The storage of weapons is not touched. It seems that throughout the territory of the DPR, except Slavyansk and the suburbs, both sides are afraid to shed their blood. A very murky story with the VOSTOK battalion and its command. In general, there are no decisive actions to build the statehood of these republics, they are waiting for an uncle or a master.
    1. Deff
      Deff 10 June 2014 10: 13
      +1
      There are big suspicions that the DPR was originally conceived as the Akhmetovsky project to strengthen influence in Kiev and now has to rebuild along the way, because in such a situation you can’t argue against the people.
    2. Flinky
      Flinky 10 June 2014 10: 22
      +2
      Luganchans generally well done. In the DNI, you will not understand who is responsible for what.
  25. kirill777
    kirill777 10 June 2014 10: 18
    -4
    Sagittarius - you are a hero, hold on as long as you can, hold on, history will not forget you ...


    Russia has merged Eastern Ukraine - to the West,
    here and tear her to pieces. Ukraine has long crossed the line on 08/08/2008,
    like Georgia. Russia pretends to just "blather"
    because you need to do something in front of the audience?
    Slavyansk, Kramotorsk and others will be leveled and will
    good prey for "shale western bandits"
  26. Flinky
    Flinky 10 June 2014 10: 20
    +3
    You can zamusnovat tightly - but I agree with the author. We don’t need a war now, especially for what we are not at all sure of. Let Parashenko try and ruin Urkaain into pieces - we will carefully collect them. It will be much more honest. Along the way, we will drop Matrasia below the baseboard - so that she gets up for a very long time. Do not forget that mattress interests are moving forward on Urkain.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 10 June 2014 11: 37
      +1
      Poroshenko is a clear reflection of the alignment of forces in Ukraine: the primacy of the oligarchy with the "humming" of the people, from which it is not clear - for or against.

      Bad that is falling apart. But this is their path and they must go it themselves. There will be a day, there will be food.
  27. Averias
    Averias 10 June 2014 10: 28
    +4
    I read the comments on the article, carefully read the article itself. I will not plus or minus, neither the article nor the commentators (childhood is some kind, pluses minus signs). I only want to ask one question, well, we will introduce troops, then what? Will we go to Kiev? So gentlemen, this is a war, and such a war is normal (and there is no need to say that dill has nothing and so on blah blah blah). This is war, and war is predatory. Ukraine is an officially recognized state, right? So this is occupation, with all that it implies. And it is naive to believe that with such a development of events - Ukraine will calm down, prostrate itself and sing the odes of Russia - as a liberator. In this situation, control of Ukraine as a subject of Russia will have to be carried out by the most severe methods, since in the same western part, a hotbed of Bandera (Nazi) underground will appear - generously sponsored from abroad. And a protracted confrontation will begin. But simply by bringing troops into the South-East, we will not achieve anything, we will simply untie the hands of the West (which is what they are doing), it won’t reach the World War, but a local mess is ensured. As a result, infrastructure will be destroyed, production will be stopped, people will be wandering (why live in ruin, it’s easier to leave for us), and dashing people will be pulled there. It may also happen that those countries that support us turn their backs on us. And then Obama’s dream of our complete isolation will come true.

    PS It's just the same everywhere, let's bring in troops, Putin is not a shame, and so on. But there is no answer anywhere - and then what? So I ask - what's next? Whoever Poroshenko and his paranoid circle were, Western experts are behind them, and they pull the strings. They need revenge for the Crimea, and everything that happens is a consequence of this.
  28. Igarr
    Igarr 10 June 2014 10: 39
    +3
    I read the article.
    Cynically.
    ...
    Honestly, objectiveists get it.
    To argue like this is easier for babies to crush in the cradle. It’s their own fault that they were born.
    And after the mass strangulation of infants - put a bullet in his forehead.
    For we are all mortal.
    So what for the sky to smoke?
    ...
    Everything would really not give a damn if it were not for the words of our President, "Russians do not abandon their own", "If something like this starts there, then we ... uhhhh".
    Until now, somehow, Vladimir Vladimirovich was not noticed in balabolism. On the contrary, I would say.
    Even the Kursk nuclear submarine sank. Just.
    The arrival of delegations from the DNI and LC ... requests ...
    Worth one word of GDP - NOT - and all this protest movement would end without starting.
    And now - "albeit barnyard, but calf". Inertia of IBO.
    I think so.
  29. Noctis
    Noctis 10 June 2014 10: 46
    0
    Let's fight at least once when we are 100% ready for this. Today they are not ready for 100, which means that they will have to pay for their lack of readiness with their lives. And our lives are too expensive, since we are so few.

    it just so happened that the defenders never, I repeat, NEVER were 100% ready. and we are in the position of defending our interests and frontiers. always, ALWAYS there are forces that control the degree of readiness and do not allow reaching the maximum. but Russians have one thing in common. with our unpreparedness, we have tremendous mobilization resources. we have learned. We can arrange a squabble among ourselves, but only the REAL enemy loomed, that's all. everything is forgotten among themselves, until the last nail in the coffin is hammered into the enemy
    1. barchuk54
      barchuk54 10 June 2014 11: 33
      0
      While you "prepare" you will be surrounded.
  30. barchuk54
    barchuk54 10 June 2014 11: 01
    +4
    Arrived!
    People, according to the author, out of "selfish interests" first leave their families without means of subsistence, work at the mine, and then die in attacks!
    And the author poking fingers into the keyboard will understand and judge whether these are little people to help them.
    Here is what exactly can be said about him. He will never help in a fight! Rather, it will be removed on a gadget and uploaded to the Internet with a comment:
    Let's talk about what happened ...
    Why is it equally disgusting to read it and look at the box how negotiations are underway on the gas problem?
  31. Andrey82
    Andrey82 10 June 2014 11: 24
    +1
    I propose to the author of these lines, as well as the country's leadership, headed by the president, to answer the question - What the hell was the military equipment transferred from the Crimea to the junta (including the battalion of T-64 tanks in good condition, according to the Ukrainian military)? It does not seem stupid, then what is it?
    1. barchuk54
      barchuk54 10 June 2014 11: 27
      +2
      Step forward - two back.
      Look at the news.
  32. nicolai64
    nicolai64 10 June 2014 11: 45
    +5
    I put a huge minus to the article, since the author is a typical "ostrich" with his head buried in the sand, if only they would not touch me! You can, of course, not bring in troops, which is apparently being done. Only the result will be this: SE will be smashed, tk. forces are still not enough. The rest of the population who will be shot (the war will write off everything, and there will be no control over the junta, do what you want, for example: in Kr. The entire now Ukrainianized territory will have a regime controlled by the junta. All attempts to change something will be brutally suppressed (as it is now in Odessa after May 2 or in Dnepropetrovsk). Naturally, the government will be carried out from the US Embassy (which is already happening). Then, in a year or two, near the borders with Russia, in Kharkov, Chernigov, the same Luhansk, mattress mats will place missiles with a flight time of 7-8 minutes to important Russian facilities. In response, Russia will be forced to deploy its missiles along the entire border with Ukraine, only the preemptive strike will already be lost. In addition, militants of the Right Sector will infiltrate across the borders into Russian territory, which will force a partial closure of the border and introduce a visa regime, although it will do little. given the enormous length of the common border. All these measures will entail huge expenditures on arming and equipping the border, which of course will hit the economy of the entire country. As a result, Russia will have an enemy state near its borders with all the ensuing consequences. And most importantly, another piece of Slavic land will be torn off from Russia, which will irreversibly hit the same image of the country. So, now the question? Isn't it easier to chop off the head of the fascists at once and not have problems here than to leave it as it is. Yes, the inertia of the population of the SE is weak and the bulk of the population does not want to fight. And God forbid, and you will have the same situation that, for example, in Rostov or Belgorod, crowds of people wishing to die for their Motherland will immediately line up? When you had Chechnya, you didn't see anyone who wanted to fight there voluntarily! Therefore, there is no need to put pressure on the unconsciousness of the population. They are waiting for help, because they are peaceful ordinary people. And help from his strong neighbor, and Strelkov is a young man, even though you have desperate heroes. Note he is not fighting for money! Without him, everything would have collapsed long ago. So what is happening now in Ukraine concerns you too, or rather, it will affect later. And if you sit and wait and withdraw, as you say, numerous rallies, then this infection will spread so much that later it will be too late. You do not understand what this junta is. It grows insolent, thanks to the support of the West more and more. Then only removal can help. Only there will be many more victims on your part. It will not work out here. In Ukraine, the fate and prestige of Russia is being decided not too much.
  33. Kite
    Kite 10 June 2014 12: 01
    +1
    Sharp, hard hit on the ears! And rightly so, many need to think sobering words!
    The counterargument on point 6 is very clearly stated!
    And about the trolls correctly said. It seems that they changed the masks suits for the situation, and still play the same script with the finale of fragmentation and ruin
    Russia.
    The author of that stupid article .... ys Kholmogorov. Well, respect yourself citizens, gentlemen, comrades!
    Winning a hassle is not a victory in a battle. Think of the battle!
  34. GRune
    GRune 10 June 2014 12: 32
    +3
    The author is simply a couch strategist in Cossacks, apparently outplayed, there is no desire to even comment and refute this opus ....
  35. blackberry
    blackberry 10 June 2014 12: 35
    +3
    judging by the number of comments on this article, posted it here Grouse (Glouhar), even in the general rank here. Perhaps he is the author. Despite the fact that I am competent by level of education, by virtue of profession and managerial experience, to refute what he said about the budget rule, assessing the cost of bridges and other aspects of macro and microeconomics, my comment will be short:

    WELL AND S.U.K. AND YOU, MAYOR (s) x / f "LIQUIDATION"

    This patchwork does not deserve detailed comments.
  36. ed65b
    ed65b 10 June 2014 12: 40
    +1
    The author is a Troll, disguised himself, rebuilt and pours water. MINUS.
  37. Grigori1976
    Grigori1976 10 June 2014 13: 51
    +3
    The trolls really changed tactics. They are now "doubting patriots." Those who like to ask questions. The main thing is to throw a grain of doubt. And judging by this site - it works.
    As an example of reformatting brains. First, you are given an example of insignificant facts from the life of your country, with which you a priori agree. Like - is there corruption in Russia? Of course have. It's hard to argue with that. Then you gradually expand the scope and you are not noticeable to yourself completely changing your worldview. This happened in Ukraine. Now Bandera is a hero and throwing a hand in greeting is not a bit of a mess.

    Shout about a million people who came to the rally, shove yourself in one place. Firstly, people have already come out and more than one million. They went to a referendum and indicated their choice. Someone noticed him?
    Europeans noticed kilometer line for voting?
    Even if they go out on the march, the Western media will show the "correct" picture. Allegedly, this is a march for a united Ukraine. As it happened many times. What's in Ossetia in 2008? What now. When the media in New York show how Russian deputies burst into Channel One and beat the Chief Editor.
    This case was cited by Peskov. His acquaintances from the United States called him and shouted into the phone - "Why are you crazy there?" Only all this was not in Russia, but in Ukraine. And the Western media do not care for the truth. They have long turned into PR structures for global corporations, influencing people through the media. Journalism does not, she died long ago.
    In Russia, when there were 1917 revolutions. have millions of people come out? Not. In Russia in 1991 and in 1993 went out millions of people? Not. Everything is always done with a small active part with the tacit consent of the majority. These are the laws of society.
    To begin with, blaming Strelkov, read his hacked mail and much will become clear to you.
    Here, some already accuse him of covert work at the CIA. The man who fought as a volunteer in Bosnia, Transnistria and Chechnya, who has awards to Russia, ended his service with the rank of FSB colonel. Sometimes it's better to be silent. Especially couch fighters.

    Already a hundred times it has been grinded and chewed. Troops will not be entered - this is a fact.
    Therefore, all these hysterics about the killed Russian soldiers who are supposedly going to fight for the "Ukrainians" are incomprehensible.
    What will happen - under the guise of humanitarian aid, the import of weapons and volunteers. I emphasize - volunteers. Desiring people and those who know how to fight. It is clear that the specialists will be the same, only formally they will be retirees.
    What should be - the introduction of a no-fly zone, if firing by aircraft continues. And that still has not been done.

    The author reminds me of such a couch theoretician who considers himself very clever. It's like a "connoisseur" of football, who watches all matches, knows all the players, etc., but who have never played football themselves. For me, guys who play football with friends once a week are more valuable than such "experts". The article contains a lot of nonsense under the guise of "cleverness".
    1. Vend
      Vend 10 June 2014 14: 13
      0
      Then it was no longer trolls, but trained propaganda saboteurs.
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 10 June 2014 22: 11
      0
      Cool, my respect and respect !!!!
  38. lex loci
    lex loci 10 June 2014 14: 33
    +1
    Before you get into the war you need to think very VERY.
    They want to send us as rams for slaughter.
    Repeat for Russia the Afghan bloody mess with the same outcome.
    And the stars and stripes "fighter for human rights" are watching all this with a smirk from afar, and he considers himself exclusively beloved as a person ...
  39. Leprechaun
    Leprechaun 10 June 2014 14: 38
    +1
    No one has canceled the propaganda, and the article is pure propaganda and the customer is not so obvious, the article is a minus, I will explain why. The article is written, as it were, very correctly, from a logical point of view, and the facts seem to be very reasonable, but why this article is an open order, the author for some reason forgot to mention in the article about the most important thing who was originally the author of the protests in the South-East, or rather Donbass and Lugansk? Who is the author of these protests? The author of the article did not say a word about this, a strange forgetfulness with such a logical text of the article itself. Remember how the protests began, with Mr. Akhmetov - the owner of factories, mines, steamers, and simply everything in Donbass. Not a word about the man who started the protests in the South-East, here is the author's strange forgetfulness. And only then Strelkov came. In the article, the author tries to blame everything on the Russian authorities on Strelkov, Russian patriots and God knows who else, but not as on Mr. Akhmetov, the leader of the LUX group. Here is the alignment. There will be a lot of articles of the most different, because in the Southeast, interests of completely different groups and structures clashed, starting with the leaders of the gangster groups Akhmetov and Kolomoisky and ending with the US State Department, the EU and Russia, and do not forget that the servants of Americans in Kiev are such as Parashenko. Yatsenyuk and others can play their own game different from the orders of the owners.
  40. alicante11
    alicante11 10 June 2014 15: 53
    +2
    Article minus. However, although "work for Strelkov" and did not minus, but there, too, "not everything in the subject."

    The author of the article wants to say. Where were YOU or your parents in the 91st when the Union broke up? Why didn’t they come out, raise a hundred million Soviet people who voted in favor of preserving the Union in a provocative referendum and didn’t throw out the corrupt bastards of the hunchback-Yeltsin gang? And in the 93rd where were they? And in the 96th, when the EBN election stole from the Communists? The inhabitants of Donbas are also located there now. People without a leader are a crowd that has no power other than natural destruction, and even then when it sweeps away everything in its path in horror and flight. Therefore, blaming the Russian Ukrainians for the fact that they, you see, did not come to the rallies of thousands, is extremely unfair. First you need to look at yourself.
    What would have happened if they had started organizing rallies? Remember how a day or two before the defeat of Yanukovych, a golden eagle almost cleared the Maidan in just a few hours. But there were natural militants, not peaceful demonstrators. So what would the right-wing people do with the peaceful demonstrations in the Donetsk region? Yes, the same as in Odessa. Or did Strelkov try there too? You say that you would be afraid of so many corpses? Yes, figs would. They would say, they say, the Colorades themselves began to shoot and burned themselves and suppressed themselves in a crush. At the same time, the media channels would reduce the number of deaths by 10 times, and the rest would be found in the ditches after eleven years. And what, after this, who would dare to go to the next "peace march"? Who is tired of living? And the rest would then be forbidden to speak Russian, fool with Ukrop school textbooks and ukromedia and turned their brothers into enemies. You ask what happened before Strelkov? And there was a law banning the Russian language, which was then "put on the back burner" until it would be possible to "hang" those who dare to resist. Honor popular wisdom - there is no reception against scrap, if there is no other scrap. So Strelkov brought to Ukraine exactly the scrap with which he smacked the pravosek and euro-homosexuals of the Square.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 10 June 2014 16: 04
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      Now a little about the "drain".
      People, there was no panic command.
      "Chef, the mustache is gone ... the plaster is removed ... the client is leaving" (c).
      And what is missing? Slavyansk as it stood. it’s worth it. Even the suburbs of dill can not even be completely destroyed. Remember the video of a month and a half ago, when the militia forced with Kalash and double-barreled shotguns. And now they are shooting down the aircraft at an altitude inaccessible to MANPADS. Behind the back of the Slavs in Donetsk and Lugansk a real army of New Russia is deployed. And where did the weapons, instructors and organizers come from for Slavyansk and for this army? Guess three times and why the border took control of the new Russians. Yes, dill is also mature. Tanks, aircraft, heavy artillery and hail. But that’s all they have to offer. That acme, beyond which they can not rise. And they can’t do anything anyway.
      I think that will be so clear. The enemy will be defeated and victory will be ours!
    2. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 17: 30
      -1
      Quote: alicante11
      The author of the article wants to say. Where were YOU or your parents in the 91st when the Union broke up? Why didn’t they come out, raise a hundred million Soviet people who voted in favor of preserving the Union in a provocative referendum and didn’t throw out the corrupt bastards of the hunchback-Yeltsin gang? And in the 93rd where were they? And in the 96th, when the EBN election stole from the Communists? The inhabitants of Donbas are also located there now. People without a leader are a crowd that has no power other than natural destruction, and even then when it sweeps away everything in its path in horror and flight. Therefore, blaming the Russian Ukrainians for the fact that they, you see, did not come to the rallies of thousands, is extremely unfair. First you need to look at yourself.

      I was not at rallies, I was engaged in survival. He regretted it very much later, but he himself transferred all the hardships and deprivations that fell on me because of this without anyone else's help. He brewed it himself, he broke it. Today it’s their job, I bring up children as fighters, which I wish for everyone.
      In the 91st and 98th, I did not ask aliens to help me. They were morons, they deceived us. But today I like the new Russia, I built myself in spite of everything. I do not want to return to the 91st year due to other people's mistakes.
      So who is the hero? Who got into it and wiped it out, or whoever got into it and started whining, asking for help on the side?

      Quote: alicante11
      What would have happened if they had started organizing rallies? Remember how a day or two before the defeat of Yanukovych, a golden eagle almost cleared the Maidan in just a few hours. But there were natural militants, not peaceful demonstrators. So what would the right-wing people do with the peaceful demonstrations in the Donetsk region? Yes, the same as in Odessa. Or did Strelkov try there too? You say that you would be afraid of so many corpses? Yes, figs would. They would say, they say, the Colorades themselves began to shoot and burned themselves and suppressed themselves in a crush. At the same time, the media channels would reduce the number of deaths by 10 times, and the rest would be found in the ditches after eleven years. And what, after this, who would dare to go to the next "peace march"? Who is tired of living? And the rest would then be forbidden to speak Russian, fool with Ukrop school textbooks and ukromedia and turned their brothers into enemies. You ask what happened before Strelkov? And there was a law banning the Russian language, which was then "put on the back burner" until it would be possible to "hang" those who dare to resist. Honor popular wisdom - there is no reception against scrap, if there is no other scrap. So Strelkov brought to Ukraine exactly the scrap with which he smacked the pravosek and euro-homosexuals of the Square.

      Well, then they are stronger and more effective. This is called natural selection. And you see the storyteller, what are you sitting on the ass and trying to criticize others? I am against war and against the deaths of my brothers, and this is what I am talking about. You shout that you need to act, but do nothing yourself. This is called hypocrisy.
      Go today, sign up for the militia and write down your children. Less words and stink, more work.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 11 June 2014 12: 24
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        I was not at rallies, I was engaged in survival. He regretted it very much later, but he himself transferred all the hardships and deprivations that fell on me because of this without anyone else's help. He brewed it himself, he broke it. Today it’s their job, I bring up children as fighters, which I wish for everyone.


        Well, that's what I'm talking about. First, we look at ourselves. They also regret it. ALREADY, and will survive, someone has their own business, and someone has already taken away his right-wing people, and someone will not survive, like five million in our country in the 90s, who could not open their own business ... Because they can only work, and not profit.

        In the 91st and 98th, I did not ask aliens to help me. They were morons, they deceived us. But today I like the new Russia, I built myself in spite of everything. I do not want to return to the 91st year due to other people's mistakes.
        So who is the hero? Who got into it and wiped it out, or whoever got into it and started whining, asking for help on the side?


        So you only "wiped" yourself. There, too, there are some cool ones. At the same time, they did not forbid you to speak your native language and did not kill you because you are Russian. But not all the same, but what about the rest, who cannot wipe themselves off in such conditions? I repeat, the same as with those millions who "did not fit" into the 90s?

        Well, then they are stronger and more effective. This is called natural selection.


        You sho, are we animals, or are we still a little human? Let’s kill all people with disabilities in Sparta now. Or old people instead of paying a pension - from a cliff, if they couldn’t afford a bank account. Nothing personal, dad, natural selection, clear the way for the younger generation.

        And you see the storyteller, what are you sitting on the ass and trying to criticize others?


        Am I criticizing? You are the one criticizing the Russian Ukrainians that they do not go to rallies and do not expose themselves unarmed to the execution of the Pravosek people and do not want to participate in funny out-of-court. And I just say, if I say in your words, "sit on your ass and do not try to criticize others", all the more sinful themselves, as they confessed.

        I am against war and against the deaths of my brothers, and this is what I am talking about. You shout that you need to act, but do nothing yourself. This is called hypocrisy.


        Milpardon, dear. WHERE do I say that I need to act? I just say that everything is done right. The one who knows how - Strelkov fights in Slavyansk, and the one who does not know how - supports morally and financially. Sponsoring the state from the salary, so that it could send Strelkova to help our brothers and to your defense, by the way, too. Because today they will burn and kill the Russians in Ukraine, and tomorrow they will come to your home, take away your business, kill the children and rape the wife. So it’s better to stop the Nazis away from our homes.

        Go today, sign up for the militia and write down your children. Less words and stink, more work.


        In how he was pierced by something, the truth of which you say, only insults. Well, yes, now I'm going to take my ten-year-old son and daughters 5 and 3 years old and go together to join the militia.
  41. mihasik
    mihasik 10 June 2014 17: 10
    0
    The author should probably be reminded that it was not the militias who started shooting in the same Kharkov. A shot and burned bus with Crimeans returning from Kiev? And who was the first to capture arms depots in Western Ukraine? The article has only emotions, but somewhere that the author himself calls for: Think? How does he represent the gathering of 1 million people for some sort of left rally under air raids? To show him a picture with a bunch of corpses on TV? In my opinion, this is precisely a provocation. In general, the article is porridge with borsch and compote in one pan!
    1. Gluxar_
      10 June 2014 17: 37
      -1
      Quote: mihasik
      The author should probably be reminded that it was not the militias who started shooting in the same Kharkov. A shot and burned bus with Crimeans returning from Kiev? And who was the first to capture arms depots in Western Ukraine? The article has only emotions, but somewhere that the author himself calls for: Think? How does he represent the gathering of 1 million people for some sort of left rally under air raids? In general, the article is porridge with borsch and compote in one pan!

      They started shooting back in December 2013. Each case of violent suppression of the opposition to Kiev played in favor of the South-East, and everything went well until an armed confrontation began. If the events in Odessa had taken place before armed men seized government buildings on April 12, then Russia would have immediately brought in troops and would have had every right to do so. However, introducing them after April 12, we would act like the United States - supporting "terrorists" or militants.
      This is what Russia has been opposing since 2011 in the international arena, and for which our country is respected by many "disagreeing" with US domination. By acting against its own rules, Russia would put an end to itself.
      Russia took its step in the Crimea - WITHOUT A SINGLE shot and BLOOD. In the Southeast, Russia is being forced into an unnecessary war without any goals. You are a fool if you don’t see how Russians and Ukrainians are successfully pitted, the United States in one fell swoop tore 30 million people from the Russian world ...
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  42. Eroolguy
    Eroolguy 10 June 2014 17: 13
    0
    author + for critical thinking
  43. Cynic
    Cynic 10 June 2014 17: 40
    0
    As far as I remember from the basics, any event using the same facts (namely facts) can be shown in both positive and negative form.
    wink
  44. mahaon
    mahaon 10 June 2014 18: 50
    -2
    I agree with the Author one hundred percent! In my opinion, everything that happens happens for a reason, and the reason lies in the choice.
    The Union collapsed and Ukraine became a beautiful independent country and the Ukrainian language flag and all its attendant, with ambition but not pride at all. To live freely means to live by the letter of the law. The people chose, if they chose it means everything is right, the parliament removed the Russian language and the people are against , it concerns all decisions. I don’t remember that Ukraine helped Russia with humanitarian aid to Chechen companies, to cataclysms, of which there were so many, I don’t remember and that’s it. Russia was a convenient sponsor, on whom you could always put a bolt, sadly ...
    They have a big people, they say they lived in independence for 23 years and became politically literate and free. In life, for our actions, having matured, we bear the answer ourselves, this makes us stronger and more sober. I think that the people of Ukraine themselves should want something, but not we should want for it and do everything to realize their desires. We will deal with gas, build more than one stream so another, not west or east, demand creates supply. To whom Russia is important and cannot live there, he will return to Russia. I don’t want, like the author of the death of peaceful children who would become fathers and husbands. I don’t want to pay for their independence and at the same time be spat upon by all their people. They don’t look for good from good.
    If you want independence, why not let them go. You won't be forcibly sweet.
    Thanks to the author, because it is difficult to hear the voice of reason amid the screams. A murder will always remain a murder, it is better to let a dozen more of their Maidan, but not the death of the guys from Pskov or Volgograd.
    I’m not indifferent, it’s just that we aren’t much more than Ukrainians =) And suddenly they really start working, how they start sowing and plowing, how they start making robots and microcircuits, nanotechnologies and business, they become Europe and civilization. I don’t want to imprison) A you? ready to take responsibility for their decisions and for their own?
  45. Alex 1977
    Alex 1977 10 June 2014 19: 52
    -1
    Quote: Egen
    Quote: Gluxar_
    You correctly wrote that IMHO. Were you in the war to talk like that or have you seen enough movies? What is one regiment in a country with a population of 45 million?

    In the war, no, God had mercy (or maybe - on the contrary), and the academies never finished, but the teachings "passed", not quite old, not dull, I remember something :) Where are those 45 million? A few thousand are fighting, the rest - the civilian population is sitting at home.
    Quote: Gluxar_
    Russia has enough funds to defeat Ukraine and the National Guard with minimal losses

    I'm talking about it!
    Quote: Gluxar_
    It is necessary to control the territory, create garrisons and much more.

    and for this there are these 45 million !!
    Quote: Gluxar_
    vulnerable to terrorist attacks

    What are the terrorist attacks in a friendly territory with the support of the population? Clearly, Volgograd and so on, but still!
    Well, I agree that in your reasoning there is a rational grain and even a bag of it, but so what is the alternative? Act smart - how?

    I have a feeling that the cheers of patriots lost their brains?
    Are you talking friendly territory?
    Budenovsk - was this a friendly territory?
    What about Beslan?
    Moscow?
    Vladikavkaz?
    Volgodonsk?
    Volgograd?
    There was no public support there?
    Occupied territories?
    Pyatigorsk, Mineralnye Vody, Astrakhan?
    Kaspiysk, Mozdok, Voronezh?
    Nalchik, St. Petersburg, Tolyatti?
    To continue?
  46. tokin1959
    tokin1959 10 June 2014 22: 20
    +2
    I have a feeling that the cheers of patriots lost their brains?
    Are you talking friendly territory?
    Budenovsk - was this a friendly territory?
    What about Beslan?
    Moscow?
    Vladikavkaz?
    Volgodonsk?
    Volgograd?
    There was no public support there?
    Occupied territories?
    Pyatigorsk, Mineralnye Vody, Astrakhan?
    Kaspiysk, Mozdok, Voronezh?
    Nalchik, St. Petersburg, Tolyatti?
    To continue?



    such commentators on Echo Mascki work only.
    who carried out these attacks?
    Wahhabi underground.
    and if this underground had not been shot and caught, there would have been more terrorist attacks.
    Svidomite dill, if they break the resistance in the southeast of Ukraine-they will arrange a massacre there.
    will we watch?
    they won’t stop there - Yarosh immediately called for a terrorist war in Russia - once he said - he’ll do it. while his hands are tied by the same SE.
    will we wait?
    Poroshenko said - we will return Crimea - do you think verbiage? No, they will crush SE, they will also prepare a terrorist war against the Crimea and a military operation.
    will wait?
    Having "run in" the ATO in the SE, the Americans will force the Moldovans to apply the same scheme to Transnistria, and dill will help them in this.
    will watch?
    Let the gopnik clean your pockets once - he will meet you tomorrow, and will undress completely, and the day after tomorrow he will meet and undress again. And if you give the gopnik in the eye, he will bypass you.
    so in politics - there is the right of the strong.
    bent once - they will bend until they break it.
    The former life will be gone.
    stay out will fail.
  47. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 June 2014 10: 03
    0
    Well Strelkov aching, yes. But at the same time he does not stop reducing the army of Ukraine. And in general, I do not mind that he would continue to whine further. It is necessary to look at the exhaust. There, after all, the war is going not only to destroy, but also to economically undermine Ukraine. And the war is going on precisely in this situation, so that the Americans do not receive evidence of assistance from Russia. That is, Strelkov will whine, shoot down flying machines, clean the law-abductors. At the same time, bringing victory closer.
  48. Evgenh
    Evgenh 14 June 2014 21: 27
    0
    Having reached the phrase: "Here it was necessary to endure and document everything ..." I threw it down to read. The author clearly with sadness and sighs recalls Bolotnaya Square, the teacher from the sofa. The article is aimed at draining the Donbass. And about the whining Strelkov I.I. Let me quote: "It can be seen that Igor Ivanovich is tired and ... very sad. Everyone already knows how this" sadness "ends for the Banderlog." This is me about the IL-76 shot down today.