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The RAC "MiG" are working on the concept of the fifth generation fighter

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Since the start of work under the PAK FA program, which is being carried out by Sukhoi, there has been a constant question about further projects of the Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG. Assumptions were regularly made that this organization should also take part in the creation of promising fighters for the Russian Air Force. However, such assumptions have not yet received official confirmation. A few days ago, Flight International published information that can confirm the existence of a fifth-generation fighter project under the MiG brand.


The RAC "MiG" are working on the concept of the fifth generation fighter


The general director S. Korotkov told about the new works of the corporation. According to him, the RAC "MiG" employees are already working on the concept of a promising fighter. Korotkov expressed the hope that in the near future the active development of this direction will begin. In the meantime, only general issues of a promising project are being studied. The director general of MiG did not disclose the details of the new project and the particularities of the aircraft, which can be built in accordance with it. At the same time, he noted that he considers the appearance of a new combat aircraft to be very likely.

Nevertheless, while the staff of the RAC "MiG" are engaged only in preliminary work, the purpose of which is to study some important issues. To start a full-fledged work on the new project requires an order for development. So far the military department has not expressed a desire to initiate the creation of a second fifth generation fighter.

According to S. Korotkov, the existing MiG-35 aircraft can become the basis for a promising fighter, on which promising systems and technologies will be integrated. In this case, the project will undergo some changes associated with increased performance. In addition, the aircraft will receive new electronic equipment and other systems necessary to meet the requirements of the fifth generation. According to the general director of RSK MiG, in the future the MiG-35 fighter may become a good platform for creating a new generation aircraft.

Currently, the company "Sukhoi" is engaged in testing and refinement of the T-50 fighter, created as part of the PAK FA program ("Perspective aviation front-line aviation complex ”). In the future, the development of the second fifth-generation domestic fighter, which the MiG corporation will take, can start. According to S. Korotkov, the start of the second project will not lead to a conflict between the two aircraft building organizations. Already, it is clear that the promising fighter RSK MiG will have a lot of differences from the development of the Sukhoi company. Thus, these will be two completely different aircraft, designed to solve various problems. Thanks to this, a reason for a dispute or conflict simply does not appear.

When used as a basis for a new fighter, the existing MiG-35 aircraft will be able to maintain relatively small dimensions and light weight. Thus, the maximum take-off weight of the MiG-35 is almost 5 tons less than the similar parameter T-50. In combination with new radio-electronic equipment, this will ensure a sufficiently high combat potential of the machine. S. Korotkov suggests that the fifth-generation light fighter based on the MiG-35 may be more effective in performing most of the intended tasks.

The development of the fifth generation fighter from the RAC "MiG" has not yet begun. Specialists of the organization are engaged in the study of general issues. However, the corporation has not remained without work. In April, she received an order from the Russian Ministry of Defense for the construction of 16 MiG-29CMT fighters. Aircraft must be delivered to the air force over the next few years.

In the next few months, another contract for the supply of aircraft may be concluded. Until the end of this year, RAC "MiG" hopes to sign an agreement, in accordance with which the Russian Air Force will receive a number of the latest MiG-35 fighter jets. The exact number of aircraft planned for the order remains unknown. In addition, there are still unconfirmed rumors, according to which Egypt intends to acquire the 24 fighter of this model.

The details of the fifth generation MiG aircraft project are not yet known for obvious reasons. Nevertheless, from the available information we can draw some conclusions. First of all, it should be noted that even if the Ministry of Defense has an order, it will take at least 10-12 years to create a new aircraft. Thus, a prototype of the new aircraft in the best case will appear no earlier than the second half of the twenties. The T-50 fighter currently being tested will be mass-produced at this time and will go to the troops, replacing outdated equipment.

Such terms of the appearance of the new aircraft can lead to the fact that over time it will complement, and possibly replace the T-50. However, it is early to speak about such details of a promising project. Employees of RSK MiG are currently working on general issues of the project and have not yet received an official order to create a project. While the military department has not initiated the beginning of a new project, all current work under the new direction remains solely an initiative of RAC "MiG", which does not have a full-fledged future.


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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 June 2014 08: 41 New
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    How glad I am for Mikoyan-Gurevich! Well done! I hope that in the new fighter we will remain the favorite silhouette of the 29th! laughing
    1. CRASHBULLET
      CRASHBULLET 10 June 2014 17: 06 New
      +2
      It already exists, and for a long time MiG 1.44 By the way, the Chinese have successfully shunned it, their plane is an exact copy of 1.44, only there are no engines, alas, our 35th dryer is not sold))
      1. voldmis
        voldmis 10 June 2014 22: 05 New
        +2
        We really need a new light fighter!
  2. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 10 June 2014 08: 54 New
    10
    An urgent need to issue a government order for the MIG-35 in the amount of 100 aircraft, this will lift the plant from its knees and it will begin to develop. And MIGIs we really need. Urgent, no need to sleep. soldier
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 10 June 2014 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      An urgent need to issue a government order for the MIG-35 in the amount of 100 aircraft,

      That's exactly what they plan to purchase, but a little later. As long as there are contracts for carabel and SMT, and for repairs there is a decent order, which they can’t cope with yet ...
      By the way, how many screams have recently been that the MiG is artificially spread rot ...
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont 10 June 2014 15: 23 New
      0
      it is urgent to offer for export a twinkle 21-e8 with afar and engine from su35, this will be a light fighter that will crumble f35 laughing
    3. Morgan
      Morgan 12 June 2014 16: 19 New
      0
      MiGs are needed in the version with PGO! And so my friends flyers note that he is in pitch ... sluggish compared to HEAVY SU!
  3. La-5
    La-5 10 June 2014 08: 57 New
    +5
    The concept of two fighters needs to be continued.
  4. alex56
    alex56 10 June 2014 09: 09 New
    +3
    The fact that the work is underway is simply excellent!
    But we seem to have not decided on the concept of easy istribilitil (From the beginning, it seems to me, you need to understand what it is.
  5. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 10 June 2014 09: 24 New
    +9
    the maximum take-off weight of the MiG-35 is almost 5 tons less than the same parameter of the T-50.
    For PAK FA it is 37 tons. So for the MIG there will be ~ 32 tons. Is it possible in this case to say that this is a light aircraft?
    1. max702
      max702 10 June 2014 10: 33 New
      +9
      I agree with you! Competition is good, but common sense is paramount, otherwise it will turn out like completely different vehicles (parts, training) T64 T72, T80 with the same characteristics in the tank troops. Akhilesov’s heel instantly29 had a small radius of action and problems with engines, and the costs of production and operation of the SU27 and MIG29 units were almost equal, with the much greater combat effectiveness of the SUShka, work must be done. and upon completion, see if it makes sense to add another type of equipment to the troops, and this should be compared from the very beginning, we don’t need the second f35. The USA with its world resources and a printing press can afford any whims .. We don’t !
      1. Argon
        Argon 10 June 2014 13: 18 New
        +2
        What are you talking about? Actually, the cost of a MiG flight hour (9-17) is more than 2 times lower than that of the Su-27. There is some superiority of the Su-27 in range of 3680 km against 2200 km. However, the MiG learned to launch missiles much earlier "on the 27th "and he has a wider range of armaments on the ground. Plus the problems of the Sukhar with the infrastructure, he doesn’t fit into one shelter in one category, but specifically for the Su-1, in recent years no more than 27 such shelters have been built. And as regards the fifth-generation MiG, unfortunately, everything is developing in such a way that it can be expressed with a paraphrased proverb - “Fresh food, but really hard to eat ****” -.
    2. typhoon7
      typhoon7 10 June 2014 14: 00 New
      +4
      MiG-35 is lighter than PAX by 10-12 tons, and if composite materials are used in large quantities, it will be even easier. The author made a mistake, and we can’t know the numbers, the project is still in the head of the designer.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 June 2014 15: 21 New
        +1
        MiG-35 is lighter than PAKFA by 10-12 tons, and if composite materials are used in large quantities, it will be even easier. The author made an inaccuracy
        Here is the difference of 10-12 tons - it already pulls in different classes. What are we talking about
  6. Predator-74
    Predator-74 10 June 2014 09: 54 New
    +2
    Quote: abrakadabre
    For PAK FA it is 37 tons. So for the MIG there will be ~ 32 tons. Is it possible in this case to say that this is a light aircraft?

    "The gravity of the aircraft" - this is pretty arbitrary, in addition, the dimensions of the aircraft are also taken into account.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 10 June 2014 12: 07 New
      +2
      "The gravity of the aircraft" - this is pretty arbitrary, in addition, the dimensions of the aircraft are also taken into account.
      So I would like to clarify this a bit for myself. And then offhand 37-32 tons are not very different. Given that PAK FA will not be approximately the same when loading with fuel and load not at 100%.
      Here is the dimension of the MiG-21 - it is clear that a light aircraft. Bo weight and dimensions are much smaller. Or the same subsonic UBS Yak. Here, too, it is clear that an easy class.
      And then you can get to the point that if the pilot did not have breakfast, then the departure can be counted as a light class aircraft.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 10 June 2014 13: 57 New
        +4
        And not the bulk! But in the price and the cost of operation ... There was an article on this resource stating that the cost of the Mig-35 came close to the Su-35 with more modest characteristics. In light of this, the production of the Mig-35 makes sense only in order to saturate the Air Force with modern machines in a shorter time frame, and of course to support the MIG RSC too (but this is, to a lesser extent)
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 10 June 2014 10: 10 New
    +6
    finally I want to say ... it is logical that Mikoyan’s design bureau is preparing to create a new generation light front-line fighter ... but I would like it to be faster ... I have no doubt that when creating as a pack fa and a new moment, amers will have many surprises, both unpleasant and very unpleasant ... we will take T50, and there the moment will catch up with a new miracle bird ...
  8. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 10 June 2014 10: 57 New
    +4
    We really need a light fighter, and I don’t know if the plant will survive without an order for 35 ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 10 June 2014 11: 51 New
      +1
      Soon, God grant, also the 41st will go. Only now, something tells me that we will see them only after adopting such weapons, not earlier.
  9. Kir
    Kir 10 June 2014 14: 48 New
    +1
    On the one hand, I’m kind of glad, but on the other I didn’t quite understand how you can compare the PAK FA and MIG-35 for maximum take-off, when all the characteristics are not one to one there. According to the mind, it would be worthwhile to compare cost + efficiency. And who will do the engine?
  10. Voronbit
    Voronbit 10 June 2014 16: 59 New
    0
    for a MIG-35 class aircraft, there is SUFFICIENTLY the 1st engine ... but for the lack of such, there are 2.a. The T-50 will switch to the engines of the 2nd stage ... incl. MIG 5th generation business foggy unfortunately
    1. Morgan
      Morgan 13 June 2014 00: 06 New
      0
      Like Gripen? .. Hmm ... A LIVING?
      1. Voronbit
        Voronbit 14 June 2014 14: 11 New
        0
        here the question of reliability and power ... according to the statements of the MIG developers themselves, if only we had a suitable engine. it would be 1
  11. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 June 2014 17: 07 New
    +1
    MiG-35 is equal in weight to EF-2000, somewhat heavier than J-10, Rafale. Lighter than F-15, F-35. Compared to breadcrumbs, yes, lightweight. Slightly heavier than the F – 18 and Rafale, although Gripen is much lighter, he has one engine. So the Migar is a real light front-line fighter, only the Yak-130 is lighter than it in Russia.
    With a new radar, electronics and a large fuel supply, the MiG-35 will become a leader among light fighters, the glider's potential allows. The advantage of NATO machines will be only in electronic warfare equipment, and that is not a fact. And the price promises to be much lower than the classmates that F – 18, that Rafale. Rafal is generally the most expensive one.
    1. UzRus
      UzRus 10 June 2014 17: 25 New
      +1
      Rafal is generally the most expensive one.- However, this did not prevent Rafal from winning the Indian (if I am not mistaken) tender, and even against the same MiG-35.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 10 June 2014 17: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: UzRus
        Rafal is generally the most expensive .- However, this did not stop Rafal from winning the Indian (if I am not mistaken) tender, and even against the same MiG-35.

        That's just with "Rafal" in India, nothing is clear at all. Rafal won the win back in 2012, but while the contract has not been signed, the Indian Defense Minister refused to sign the contract for the supply of 126 Rafaley, and precisely because of the too high cost, which exceeds the original purchase price by at least 3 times .
        http://periscope2.ru/2014/04/25/8134/

        Therefore, the Indians are pushing their Tejas, which is much cheaper ($ 26,3 million against $ 85-124 million depending on the configuration (for 2012 year) from Rafal) So, for example, the Indian Air Force can acquire 200 Tejas fighters instead of 126 Rafale, and with this save another 14 billion dollars, which is quite comparable with the procurement budget of the entire Indian army for 2013-2014

        indian fighter tejas
        True, they say that the Indians will nevertheless sign a contract with Dasso, while the first 18 fighters will be delivered from France, the remaining 108 aircraft will be produced under license by the Indian aircraft manufacturer HAL within six years (the first Indian assembly aircraft will be released in 2018 year ) It is planned that at first the pace of mass production will be six aircraft per year, then the maximum rate of 20 machines per year will be achieved.
        http://www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/6599/
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 June 2014 17: 54 New
          +5
          it’s not yet evening ... until the moment-35 and there we’ll make a new one ... although, in fairness, I must say that for a long time they were rare with the new moment of the 5 generation ... it’s clear that there is no money, etc. ... but I think there are achievements and the Mikoyanites didn’t sit in vain when the PAK FA still claimed ... and therefore I think the deadlines for the delivery of the car will be shorter ... and the experience in t50 will come in handy ... and then we'll see ... God forbid, faster and better
          1. yehat
            yehat 11 June 2014 12: 45 New
            0
            We have a situation where you need to count money. A successful non-heavy fighter is much easier to do on the basis of developments of a similar heavy one. No one will bother because of the extra 100 kg of avionics on the Mig-31, but on a light fighter this is important. Therefore, I think it is logical to start developing heavy fighters first, and then, based on the developments, then launch a lung project with a lag of 2-4 years.
            As a bonus - a certain amount of unification.
  12. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 10 June 2014 18: 42 New
    +2
    there will probably be another glider ...
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 10 June 2014 20: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      there will probably be another glider ...

      Somehow there was such a model from the MiG, of course the MiG-29 is a good plane, but we need to move on, time does not stand still.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 11 June 2014 10: 34 New
        +2
        I like the model good
        Although I'm not special on the topic.
      2. Voronbit
        Voronbit 11 June 2014 22: 37 New
        +1
        It seems to me that an adequate self-propelled guns with the dynamic planes of the airframe is important ... especially with the requirements of stealth
  13. da Vinci
    da Vinci 10 June 2014 19: 52 New
    +3
    Do 5th generation in version 2.0. - throw money away. It is better for MIG Corporation to make a light 5th generation fighter with great export capabilities in 5-7 years, to create a really best drone (in 2-3 years) + declare a 6th generation PAK project. I will add: to have a big state with one Su corporation - to lose competitive design, and as a result, quality and novelty.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 June 2014 20: 15 New
      +3
      for drones, we are still far behind the United States and this must be recognized ... but I think that the 6 generation of cars may well be an unmanned robot .. and therefore it is necessary to work out this now, in order to eliminate the backlog and be ready in the future
    2. dastyst
      dastyst 12 June 2014 13: 02 New
      0
      I wonder where the MIG will take the developments for the 6th generation, without participating in the development of the 5th ... It is foolish to deny the need for a light fighter of the 5th generation.
  14. Observer2014
    Observer2014 10 June 2014 19: 54 New
    +1
    The MIG Corporation has a unique chance to make the best inexpensive expensive 5th generation super aircraft. The corporation is free of “aircraft at all costs” and Pogosyan’s corruption intrigues, although this factor is in question. Good luck to you guys
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 June 2014 12: 54 New
      +2
      unique due to many years of downtime and stagnation?
      MIG has enough internal problems accumulated even when everything was fine and they still have to go and go to the level of Sukhoi.

      now they are doing faithful, but forcedly modest little steps.
      for example, they changed the technology of equipment installation to international standards, which will greatly affect the export potential of products. This is the latest modification of the Mig-29SMK. There is another. And to the super-duper export products there is still a long way to go. At least 8 years.
  15. Dub4ik
    Dub4ik 11 June 2014 03: 21 New
    0
    If only Poghosyan did not put sticks in the wheels. I hope they succeed!
    1. yehat
      yehat 11 June 2014 13: 00 New
      +1
      Poghosyan doesn’t really need to put sticks in the wheels.
      Because he is interested in cooperation and development of allied enterprises and suppliers, as well as in the general increase in the level of R&D.
      All competition they will have for the military budget, but the severity of the situation does not depend on them.
  16. MihMikh
    MihMikh 13 June 2014 10: 08 New
    0
    The main thing is not to interrupt the development. The current 35th was conceived a very long time ago. And if there is no 5th generation, there will be no 6th generation.
  17. waggish
    waggish 7 July 2014 17: 22 New
    0
    Where are the grandmas ??????????
  18. tigoda
    tigoda 13 February 2018 22: 35 New
    0
    Remember my words, all this “invisibility fashion” will pass as fast as “the mod on variable wing geometry”. So many songs were in 1967-77 "oh, geometry, oh this is a breakthrough" did the F-14, F-111, MIG-23, MIG-27, SU-17, SU-24 and what ??? The fighters forgot about it as a nightmare, the bombers remained until the emergence of a new generation. But it was immediately clear: this is a dead end. The wing will become much heavier and it will eat all the other benefits.
    There is NO NEED to spend money on the SECOND plane of the BLACK direction. Do the 6th generation. The strategic path is the same: aircraft relief, their speed and their electronics, their new missiles. For "radar-inconspicuous" aircraft has its own application, its own niche, but very narrow.