About renaming Volgograd: opinions

The expert of the REX news agency, human rights activist Efim Andursky invites his fellow experts and readers to discuss the legal aspects of the possible renaming of Volgograd. "I would like to share with my colleagues ambiguous news: Vladimir Putin does not exclude the return of the glorious name "Stalingrad" to Volgograd. However, is Putin right in asserting that the renaming of Volgograd is a matter for the subject of the federation and the municipality?

But what was the result of the survey about renaming Volgograd that I conducted in 2013: 2871 participant of this survey or 71% agreed with renaming, 1188 participants or 29% did not agree with this. In fact, Vladimir Putin has authorized the holding of a referendum. And that means - to be Stalingrad. It would be nice to return to the country and the Stalinist order. Preferably without kinking. But, apparently, Putin will not agree to such a move, ”the expert notes.

IA REX: Is Putin right when he asserts that renaming Volgograd is a matter of the subject of the federation and the municipality?

Nikolay Shelyagovich, philologist and historian:

I propose an option that allows us to reconcile the various political forces of Russia and symbolically link Russian times together. Rename the city of Volgograd to Stalingrad, Volgograd region in Tsaritsyn region (province).

Sandra Novikova, journalist and blogger:

Formally, everything is correct: the question of renaming a particular settlement must be decided first of all by the inhabitants of this settlement. However, there is a caveat: if the residents of some town or village with an incongruent or ridiculous name decided to change this name, it would be just their business. But Stalingrad is not just a town, but a hero city; city, "reversing the war" and forever entered into history; the city bearing the name of the Supreme Commander of the great war. Therefore, returning to the city on the Volga its historical name (and its historical name is the one under which it entered history - that is, Stalingrad, not Tsaritsyn, and certainly not Volgograd) - this is an extremely important matter of national importance, concerning not only future Stalingrad, but all Russian.

Therefore, there are two possible options: you can hold an All-Russian referendum on the return of his true name to the city on the Volga; and it is possible, in order not to spend extra money, to limit ourselves to a local referendum in the future Stalingrad and in the region. But in the case of only a local referendum, the future residents of Stalingrad must make the right decision and firmly say: “To Stalingrad - to be!”.

The referendum itself could have been held in the fall, on a single voting day, but it could be later: the main thing is to celebrate the anniversary - the 70 anniversary of the great Victory, that is, to 9 in May 2015, Stalingrad again became Stalingrad. Let's hope that it will be so.

Comments

[mig31]

A difficult question, it is necessary to carefully study and then reach a verdict ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Let the inhabitants of the city decide for themselves. There will be many for and many will be against. This has always been the case with such questions.

[yushch]

I do not think that this is a purely local issue. More than a million of our soldiers and officers died there. This is a matter of national importance, and I am sure that Volgograd residents perfectly understand this. There is nothing to study and think, here you just need to take and hold a referendum, and we residents of all corners of our Great Motherland will support it.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: yushch

I do not think that this is a purely local issue.

I live in my city and I don’t like that someone for me will decide in which city I live.

Quote: yushch

and we residents of all corners of our Great Motherland will support him.

And not the fact that win.

[Midshipman]

But I live in my own country and I don’t like that the symbol of victory and glory of Russian weapons was stripped of its historical name - historical because under the name of Stalingrad it went down in history.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Midshipman

deprived of their historical name -

You have the Imperial flag on your av and you are ashamed not to know that the historical name of Volgograd is Tsaritsyn! This is the historical name. Further, this is the whole history of the city

[the polar]

That would be better for you to know the story. Tsaritsyn called a seedy village with several thousand inhabitants, and the city of Stalingrad grew up around the construction of the largest in Europe Stalingrad Tractor Plant. The expanding residential neighborhoods of the city, housing several hundred thousand inhabitants, have swallowed up the seedy suburban village.
Learn the story, Mr. Comrade Imperial, and do not try to distort it, because a law has recently been passed criminalizing deliberate distortion of history.
By the way, the renaming of Stalingrad to Volgograd is the deliberate and anti-patriotic distortion of history

[RUSS]

Quote: Polar

Tsaritsyn called a seedy village with several thousand inhabitants

And even earlier there was the Mongolian settlement of Syry-Su.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: yushch

I do not think that this is a purely local issue.

Absolutely right! This is a matter of national importance. But residents are likely to be in favor.

[Captainden]

As a resident of the city of Volgograd - I basically do not mind, like most of my entourage. However, obviously, renaming will require enormous expenses, in which there is a need for more vital areas. There are no roads in the city, industry has been destroyed, agricultural is breathing incense. The last 3 years and the last 2 governors have done more damage to the city than the battle, for the sake of which they are going to rename the city. First, the city and the region must be put in order, and then renamed.

[g1v2]

Volgograd is a city on the Volga, of which there are many, and Stalingrad is a symbol, a brand, if you want. But of course, it is up to the residents to decide, if they are fired up with the idea, persuade and agitate the residents.

[invisibility]

Quote: mig31

A difficult question, it is necessary to carefully study and then reach a verdict ...

And what's so hard? This is not a historical name, but ... ask, what is the city of Tsaritsin? In the west, no one will answer, but Stalingrad is in many cities, in the names of streets and squares, except for Russia. And if you decide, then decide in a general Russian referendum, for Stalingrad and its glory belong to all of Russia ...

[Egoza]

Quote: invisible

And if you decide, then decide in a general Russian referendum, for Stalingrad and its glory belong to all of Russia ...

Right! And those few defenders of the city who are still alive are not only in Stalingrad, but throughout Russia. Ask them first!

[invisibility]

I will add, with your permission:
... until it's not too late...

[Eragon]

Quote: invisible

. And if you decide, then decide in a general Russian referendum, for Stalingrad and its glory belong to all of Russia ...

But only after a city referendum. And then, if the inhabitants are against, and Russia for - some sort of nonsense will turn out.

[saag]

Quote: invisible

And if you decide, then decide in a general Russian referendum, for Stalingrad and its glory belong to all of Russia

Yes, and what is it, why is the restriction set by the borders of the former RSFSR, they fought from all over the USSR

[invisibility]

Unfortunately, the USSR does not exist ... For all the logic of your words, personally, I would not want any Bandera from western Ukraine to participate in this ...

[the polar]

Quote: invisible

Quote: mig31

A difficult question, it is necessary to carefully study and then reach a verdict ...

And what's so hard? This is not a historical name, but ... ask, what is the city of Tsaritsin? In the west, no one will answer, but Stalingrad is in many cities, in the names of streets and squares, except for Russia. And if you decide, then decide in a general Russian referendum, for Stalingrad and its glory belong to all of Russia ...

There is no need for any extra spending on referendums, it is the duty of the authorities to restore historical justice and return the city to its historical name, which perpetuated the greatest victory of the Russian people in world history. And the authorities just wag their ass, once again hiding behind the people, who supposedly have the right to conduct referendums themselves. When this government carried out predatory privatization or "monetization" about "referendums", it didn't even stutter.

[FANTOM-72]

Quote: Polar

No extra spending on referenda is necessary, it is the duty of the authorities to restore historical justice and return its historical name to the city

This is exactly what we need to do with this issue, since the discussion essentially went not just about renaming the city, but about scattering a heap of garbage from the grave of Joseph Vissarionovich and restoring his good name. And the city is only the first step. And if there is a nationwide FOR, not a single liberal bastard will blather about the fact that the "totalitarian" regime has rehabilitated its idol. If the Tatars were rehabilitated, then God himself ordered them. I will not minus, but try to think before you speak. Not everything is measured by money and not everything needs to be done by order.

[the polar]

Quote: FANTOM-72

Quote: Polar

No extra spending on referenda is necessary, it is the duty of the authorities to restore historical justice and return its historical name to the city

This is just the issue, because the discussion essentially went not just about renaming the city, but about scattering a heap of garbage from the grave of Joseph Vissarionovich and restoring his good name. And the city is only the first step. And if there is a nationwide FOR, not a single liberal bastard will blather about the fact that the "totalitarian" regime has rehabilitated its idol.

So you don’t have to shake from fear what the liberal bastard will say there, but you need to carry out your national and patriotic position. And do not spend money on referenda for fear that someone in Europe will blather. The people have no accounts and estates in Europe; they have nothing to fear from liberal opinions. But in power, the opposite is true.

[Max_Bauder]

I personally FOR the renaming of Volgograd to Stalingrad!

THE GREAT BATTLE decides the outcome of the war, and brought victory, in the war of extermination, where so many people lay their heads, for Us and you, for Our future, so that we live, that we are not enslaved, turned into slaves, or even completely killed, no one would have regretted us, if the Nazis won.

So we will remember that the generation remembers, and the name is a great reminder! The same as Borodino, there is no Russian who does not know this name.

[saag]

Pure water "averting eyes" to the electorate, why is it suddenly "out of the blue", there was such an idea, it was last year for the anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad, and it was logical, but then it was stated that it was not relevant, and then suddenly " workers' requests "

[Egoza]

Quote: saag

why is it suddenly "out of the blue", there was such an idea,

Why is it "out of the blue"? In France, GDP was asked this question by war veterans. There is a square in Paris. Stalingrad, the Stalingrad metro station .... they say "Will the name Stalingrad be returned to Russia?" So it became "uncomfortable". Therefore, VVP answered that there would probably be a referendum, etc.

[saag]

These war veterans were probably on their anniversary last year, they also raised the issue and they were told in general "no", I have the impression that the veterans were prompted by an official, like the president will have to ask him, the official also does not generate ideas himself, and fulfills the will of his superiors

[And Us Rat]

I propose an option that allows reconciling the various political forces of Russia, and symbolically linking Russian times together. Rename the city of Volgograd to Stalingrad, the Volgograd region in the Tsaritsyn region (province)

Somehow surreal and incompatible sounds like a "hunter-vegetarian" or "sniper-pacifist".
Volgograd is the most neutral and euphonious name, why interweave ideology? There will always be fanatical opponents (as well as supporters) of this, public tension will increase, the impression is that the authorities "peace and harmony" among the people are against the grain, why play off ideologically different groups of people practically from scratch?

[invisibility]

why weave ideology?

Then, what without the ideology of the state can not be.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: invisible

why weave ideology?

Then, what without the ideology of the state can not be.

But do you need to know the measure, or are you going to print ideological campaigns on milk packets tomorrow? Everything good that does not know the measure becomes grotesque.

[Eragon]

Quote: And Us Rat

Volgograd - the most neutral and harmonious name, why interweave ideology? There will always be fanatical opponents (like supporters) of this

"Neutrality and eloquence" somehow gives off a geyrope. Where did you meet fanatical opponents? I saw supporters, but no opponents.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Eragon

"Neutrality and eloquence" somehow gives off a geyrope. Where did you meet fanatical opponents? I saw supporters, but no opponents.

The victims of Stalin's uh ... "order" were (according to various estimates) from 10 to 40 million people, even if one considers that a third of them died without leaving offspring, and the second third was repressed along with their families, and even taking into account those who remained "abroad" during the collapse of the USSR - in the Russian Federation must live at least 10-15 million descendants of the repressed. I think that the idea of ​​a name associated with Stalin's name, to put it mildly, will not delight them. (For them, it will be like spitting in memory of injured relatives)
Purely statistically, from 10-15 million people, at least 3% are a reactionary group prone to radical moods (i.e. 300-450 thousands people least).

Py.Sy. - About [somehow giving away the geyropa] - Total tolerance is certainly evil, but going back to the opposite extreme is no better, fascist chauvinism and tolerance are basically twin brothers. We need a measure and a middle ground in everything.

[IS-80]

Quote: And Us Rat

The victims of Stalin's uh ... "order" were (according to various estimates) from 10 to 40 million people, even if one considers that a third of them died without leaving offspring, and the second third was repressed along with their families, and even taking into account those who remained "abroad" during the collapse of the USSR - in the Russian Federation must live at least 10-15 million descendants of the repressed. I think that the idea of ​​a name associated with Stalin's name, to put it mildly, will not delight them. (For them, it will be like spitting in memory of injured relatives)
Purely statistically, from 10-15 million people, at least 3% are a reactionary group prone to radical moods (that is, 300-450 thousand people at least).

Don't you think that 40 million people are a bit of a damn thing? Despite the fact that according to the census in 1939 there were about 170 million people in the USSR. Or are you not interested in such trifles? Where did you get these statistics? Again, the delirium of the inflamed mind of any Russophobic bastard is presented as truth.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: IS-80

Don't you think that 40 million people are a bit of a damn thing? Despite the fact that according to the census in 1939 there were about 170 million people in the USSR. Or are you not interested in such trifles? Where did you get these statistics? Again, the delirium of the inflamed mind of any Russophobic bastard is presented as truth.

I said "according to various estimates - from 10 to 40"And not "40 exactly", which automatically implies the incompleteness of historical research, and this is taken from open official sources. So do not misinterpret my words.
But the doge of 10 million is already a pretty significant figure, from which one simply does not dismiss, repression and judicial lawlessness under Stalin took place to be (as by the way before him), as well as the forcible transfer of significant groups of the population - this is a historical fact. Yes, liberalists exaggerate this topic, but there is no smoke without fire, which would exaggerate - there must be something to exaggerate.
And yes, Stalin achieved a lot for the country, but the price paid for this is a matter of discussion about its moral and ethical side. For example, ancient Rome was also a great empire, but it became her on the hump of a slave system and permanent military aggression.
For example:

In total, according to historians, from 11-12 to 38-39 million people became victims of repressions during the Soviet period. Of them:
- 4,5 - 4,8 million people were convicted for political reasons, of which about 1,1 million were shot, the rest went to the Gulag;
- at least 6,5 million were deported (since 1920, when 9 thousand families of five Cossack villages, or 45 thousand people, were deported before the deportation of 1951-1952);
- approximately 4 million were deprived of their suffrage under the Constitution of 1918 (more than a million) and the decree of 1925 (according to which family members were included in this category);
- About 400-500 thousand were repressed on the basis of various decrees and decrees;
- 6-7 million died of starvation as a result of the violent collectivization of 1932-1933;
- 17. People became victims of the so-called labor decrees (published on June 961, 000, canceled in 26).

This is a very sensitive topic that requires a balanced approach. Anyone who spits on the fact that this topic can be painful for someone is no better than dill banderlogs or Balts who organize processions of SS veterans. Why should they be like?

[IS-80]

Quote: And Us Rat

So do not misinterpret my words.

I don’t misinterpret your words, I just focus on mildly implausible numbers.

Quote: And Us Rat

Yes, liberalists exaggerate this topic, but there is no smoke without fire, which would exaggerate - there must be something to exaggerate.

Judging by the pearls that they give out, they can have anything and smoke without fire and fire without smoke. And this does not bother them a bit.

Quote: And Us Rat

And yes, Stalin achieved a lot for the country, but the price paid for this is a matter of discussion about its moral and ethical side.

You know, do not take it only on your account, how easy it is to govern the state in words. And how hard it really is. For some reason, people do not really think about this, even the most stupid at times. A huge number of people have an idea of ​​management at the level of "the king, the president, the main boss said we are doing this and everyone ran together to execute it." But in reality, sabotage, theft, bribery, sabotage, conflict of interests, laziness, resentment, mistakes, and so on. For liberal fascists, this is not a subject for discussion.

Quote: And Us Rat

This is a very sensitive topic that requires a balanced approach. Anyone who spits on the fact that this topic can be painful for someone is no better than dill banderlogs or Balts who organize processions of SS veterans. Why should they be like?

Yes, I agree with you, but lying and not talking, flirting with the displeased, so as not to offend anyone is fraught with the same marches of SS veterans.

[Gorbtk]

As the saying goes: "Whoever forgets the past - the eye is out."

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Gorbtk

As the saying goes: "Whoever forgets the past - the eye is out."

Therefore, all cities, streets, etc. need to return their historical names. For example, Volgograd - Tsaritsyn, and Kirov - Vyatka. The past is not good to forget.

[woron333444]

Who knows Tsaritsyn, and Stalingrad the whole world. And in the Second World War they fought not for Tsaritsin, but for Stalingrad.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: woron333444

Who knows Tsaritsyn, and Stalingrad the whole world. And in the Second World War they fought not for Tsaritsin, but for Stalingrad.

If the Bolsheviks were not engaged in the eradication of the historical memory of the Russian people and renamed Russian cities in their own way, the whole world would know about the Tsaritsyn battle, and not about the "Stalingrad" one.

[Flinky]

I see nothing wrong with that. Only good.
Joseph Vissarionovich deserved to have his name immortalized. And let the zapadentsy come forth powerless saliva.

[kit-kat]

Not only Westerners, but also quite "patriots" who were offended by Stalin. Now, for example, on "Vesti FM" Solovyov exudes bile to Stalin.

[staryivoin]

And I liked the Stalinist order. Naturally without excesses. If thieves and embezzlers didn’t matter what level was judged by law, if people who held their posts, doing nothing there for development were removed from their homes, if there were more outright saboteurs sent to the north, there would be more.

[skifd]

Let me throw stones (minuses), I am for the Hero City - STALINGRAD. He survived. Maybe we can do it.

[invisibility]

Get a star

[LION]

They brought my hometown to a pen. Municipal power has been absent for eight years, and the one that exists today is populists and pi ---- ly. Roads are dead, plants are closing, construction is very slow. In comparison with Rostov and Krasnodar, Volgograd is a dying village. Renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad is simply a shame.

[skifd]

It should be a shame to those scum who brought the city to this. You should not be ashamed, you are not guilty. I want to hope that all the goats will be pissed off, they will respond with a sdk. For all . And for the Union.

[saag]

Quote: Flinky

Joseph Vissarionovich deserved to have his name immortalized.

Well, following this logic, let's rename St. Petersburg to Leningrad, Lenin deserved even more, without him and Joseph Vissarionovich would not have been

[invisibility]

Great idea! Because "saint-burg" is not in Russian at all ..

[Tor hummer]

Quote: invisible

Great idea! Because "saint-burg" is not in Russian at all ..

Lenin was a Russophobe. Let's rename it better to Hitlergrad than it’s worse.

[invisibility]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Let's rename Hitlergrad better than worse

Is everything all right with your head?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: invisible

Quote: Tor Hummer

Let's rename Hitlergrad better than worse

Is everything all right with your head?

Absolutely. Lenin was a fierce Russophobe and hated the Russian people. And he spoke about this openly and without hesitation.
And some sub-ethnic groups of the Russian people, such as Cossacks, were sentenced to destruction and subjected to genocide.

[invisibility]

I won’t even argue with an elderly person, you probably knew Lenin ...
WHAT DO YOU BETTER HITLER?

[Tor hummer]

Quote: invisible

I won’t even argue with an elderly person, you probably knew Lenin ...
WHAT DO YOU BETTER HITLER?

Nothing is better.
And Lenin's statements are not difficult to find in his works. As the saying goes: "What is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax."

[invisibility]

Bother if not hard ..

And some sub-ethnic groups of the Russian people, such as Cossacks, were sentenced to destruction and subjected to genocide.

That's right, we don’t have Cossacks at all ...
Why is a civil war called a civil war?
Probably because the poor Cossacks were destroyed ...
Retelling you idiotic myths?

[saag]

Probably for him Hitler is not such a Russophobe, more tolerant or something, democratically poisoned people and sent them to the oven, experiments on living people were put by his henchmen, as they say, a fisherman fisherman ...

[Tor hummer]

Quote: saag

Probably for him Hitler is not such a Russophobe, more tolerant or something, democratically poisoned people and sent them to the oven, experiments on living people were put by his henchmen, as they say, a fisherman fisherman ...

The difference between them is huge. Hitler destroyed the alien people, and Lenin his own.

[Egoza]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Hitler destroyed the alien people, and Lenin his own.

Lying! Hitler first of all began with the destruction of dissent in his country. And the pogroms were first in Germany.

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Egoza

Lying! Hitler first of all began with the destruction of dissent in his country. And the pogroms were first in Germany.

Everything is relative. Hitler cleaned out several thousand, and Russia suffered millions of losses from the activities of Comrade Lenin.

[invisibility]

Dear Fidget! I stupidly entered into ... a polemic with this citizen ..
How many times I convinced myself, you can’t prove to such people anything! Although the facts, even the logic, all the same ... God's dew.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: invisible

How many times I convinced myself, you can’t prove to such people anything! Although the facts, even the logic, all the same ... God's dew.

They write the same to me on Censor.net, it’s impossible to prove anything to you, and any other point of view and evidence that I laid out here in tons were either stupidly minuscated or said that it was a lie.

[invisibility]

Alexander, what do you prove?
That Lenin was the creator of the world's first socialist state? The fact that you live in a state whose power was laid down by the communists? The fact that it was not the Bolsheviks who started the civil war? That the Red Terror was the answer to the White Terror? The fact that the Cossacks were not "fluffy" and that their bellies were ripped open not only with red, but that they simply did not agree with a bang? That there was no famine, but there was famine and not only in the USSR? What else ???

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Egoza

Lying! Hitler first of all began with the destruction of dissent in his country. And the pogroms were first in Germany.

Elena, the pogroms and the fratricidal warrior are a big difference. Example -Ukraine onlain.

[Alexander Romanov]

Hey, the minuser under the nickname INVISIBILITY, how come let's refute what I wrote. Or, to the quiet minusanul and tear the claws. Oh, what a Leninist you drew.

[invisibility]

Alexander, read above. For the Leninist, thanks.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Lenin was a fierce Russophobe and hated the Russian people.

++++++++++++++++++++++

[saag]

For there was a hero city of Leningrad, and the city of St. Petersburg did not receive such a title, this results in the erasure of historical memory

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: saag

For there was a hero city of Leningrad, and the city of St. Petersburg did not receive such a title, this results in the erasure of historical memory

Learn the history of your country, and do not redo the name. Lenin, they found a pancake on whom to line up.
Long live Sank Petersburg !!!!!!!!!!

[parus2nik]

Oh! I recognize Brother Kolya! Fimu Andursky .. sits on Maxspark's social networks .. Sometimes he puts forward crazy ideas and polls .. on his pages, and he turns out to be a human rights activist!
In the case ... the residents of the city decided, the residents renamed .. Nobody asked all of Russia whether to rename Leningrad to St. Petersburg or not .. and the residents renamed ..
Gentlemen, liberals, if it makes you so sad, on behalf of Stalin ... rename the Battle of Stalingrad to Volgograd ..

[Ivan Petrovich]

I am for Stalingrad!

[waisson]

I definitely YES but there is one BUT whether the region will draw such costs without harming itself

[KOH]

Hero Cities, in my opinion, should all be called as they were called at the time of the end of the war, not only Volgograd, we ourselves erase the memory of the war, and immediately shout, "NO ONE is forgotten, nothing is forgotten" ...

[Gorjelin]

About renaming Volgograd

What for? What's the point of this?
How much money will be spent on bureaucracy alone when renaming? How many kindergartens, roads and hospitals can be built with this money?

[Egoza]

Quote: Gorjelin

What for? What's the point of this?

This is the memory of the people !!! This is the heroism of the people! If the people erase the memory, it turns into a bpd! How did it happen in Ukraine. Do you want this too?

[Altona]

In principle, yes ... Today-yesterday at Russia-24 they said that it’s all the same, everything will run into money, but on electronic cards and documents you can write at least as many names ... And rightly so ...

[atalef]

And you can also rename Grozny to Putin --- Kadyrov will unequivocally support him, but what kind of Kryzhopol would be Medvedev-- whatever it would be offensive, Chelyabinsk - to Rogozin (they are all harsh there), but I don’t know who ? Which city is suitable for perpetuating the memory of Vladimir Volfovich?

[saag]

Washington:-)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: atalef

Chelyabinsk - to Rogozin (they are all harsh there)

What do you have against Chelyabinsk?

[parus2nik]

I am against such your initiative ..

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Which city is suitable for perpetuating the memory of Vladimir Volfovich?

Lviv

[sablezub81]

I am a Volgograd, I am against Stalingrad !!!!!!!!!! Even discussing this is blasphemy! Imagine renaming St. Petersburg to Leningrad ... how would the citizens of St. Petersburg react ... What a terrible topic this is ... Let Pidacs from the West live in communism, and Russia will be a free country!

[Egoza]

Quote: sablezub81

I am a Volgograd, I am against Stalingrad

Wow! Do you even know in WHAT year the city was renamed Stalingrad? And why?
XXXX
When Stalingrad was named Stalingrad
http://www.nenovosty.ru/csaricyn.html
Stalin's wonderful deed, which set his hearts in the Civil War, is not described, but, meanwhile, this noble, courageous deed can be calculated.
In 1918, Stalin arrived in Tsaritsyn to engage in grain supplies. The bread commission, which he headed, was called Extraordinary, even the surviving plate in Volgograd at the Volgograd Hotel (the former Stalingrad, the former Slavyanskaya) recalls this.
The situation in the north of Russia with bread really was awful, in cities the famine began. Bread deliveries are a true thing at all times and profitable, of course, aces of money crushed it.
This is natural, it cannot be otherwise: do you really think that the sole individual from some Budzak steppes carried his miserable surpluses of fifty pounds of bread on a horse through all Ukraine and Russia to St. Petersburg? Of course not. The same wholesalers nukers would have broken his sides. As it is now in Moscow: try the peasant to enter the grocery market with his goods - he will see what his goods will immediately turn into. And how picturesque he looks, poured into the mud. Well, if the face is not broken into the blood. And the last horse will not be taken away. That is, they will take it away - if it comes a second time. Go to any Moscow market and see how it all works. Who is under whom, and from what height all this is supervised.
So, all the wholesale grain trade at the beginning of the 20th century was crushed by cash aces. That is, since bread in the cities of Russia in 1918 was gone, hunger began, children began to swell, then bread could disappear only as a result of one single action - speculation of aces. For the bread to appear, a pro-Russian boss had to come. At least the middle arm.
Who were these cash aces at the beginning of the 20th century? There is information. Although this information is not advertised, historians know that they will be happy to tell you on the sofa in the hallway of the Institute of History. Aces before the Revolution were called merchants of the first guild. 75% of the merchants of the first guild were Jewish. The remaining 25% were of different categories. Old Believers came across. But most of them were the so-called crosses - that is, the same Jews who put their fingers in a cookie and began to be baptized. The mentality of the Orthodox priesthood is such that even then they stood a mountain, inspiring everyone around that the crosses after the cookie had become Russian in psychology.
The grain deliveries from St. Petersburg (then Moscow had not yet become the capital) the commissars tried to establish — or pretended to be trying. They sent different Perlmuthers with Zelikmans, but for some reason they didn’t succeed. What is surprising, because Leiba Trotsky-Bronstein himself took part in these grain speculations. As directly, it is not known, but as not directly - it is known. Trotsky from the south of Ukraine called his dad and appointed him director of one of the largest mills near Moscow. The place at that time is fabulous. It’s the same as being Yeltsin’s daughter under Yeltsin’s rule with a family from Abramovich in an atmosphere of mass looting of Russia. So Trotsky didn’t manage to establish grain supplies either. And the other Perlmuther also failed.
Everything stopped in Tsaritsyno. And then Stalin came to Tsaritsyn (half-Ossetian-half-Russian by blood) - and soon a shaft of trainloads of bread surged into the starving children of the Russian cities.
There was a reason why the inhabitants of Tsaritsyn wanted to rename their city not even to Stalin, and not to Stalin, but to Stalingrad. And this decision was made long before April 10 1925 year.

[saag]

Quote: Egoza

and soon a shaft of trains with bread

And then I was racking my brains where the roots of hunger were in the Volga region, and then there over there who tried

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: sablezub81

and Russia will be a free country!

go to Ukraine, it’s free ... about communism is not for you to argue, young isho.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

.about communism is not for you to argue, young isho.

Firstly, we never lived under communism. We had socialism and say that communism is cool, but somehow it’s not worth it. It’s simply because no one really knows what kind of crap this is. Now we’ll break everything and we will build communism, but if it doesn’t work, then how? 70 years went to communism in the end came hell knows where, sho let's go in the second round? -Sorry, but without me

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

70 years went to communism as a result came hell knows where,

Sanya, you know as well as me why we came "hell knows where" - we relaxed after the "thaw" and liberation blossomed in a violent color, the result is known ... and I minus the boy, because he crumples what he has no idea about, because still small, he is already closer to the ideals of developed capitalism.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: sablezub81

I am a Volgograd, I am against Stalingrad !!!!!!!

I don’t understand why the minuses were thrown to you. People and you are in favor of a referendum when a different opinion causes a storm of emotions for you? So things are not done, go to FIG.

[DMB87]

The daughter of the Volgograd officer? Xnumx years? Not everything is clear?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: DMB87

The daughter of the Volgograd officer? Xnumx years? Not everything is clear?

Yes, well then conduct a survey among Volgograd residents, I'm afraid you yourself will become the daughter of an officer.
All tired srach delusional, leaving the topic.

[woron333444]

Quote: sablezub81

Even discussing this is blasphemy! Let Pido-Pacs from the West live in communism, and Russia will be a free country!

You are not even a free man, but the one from the west is the daughter of an officer. It is a sacrilege not to rename a city in Stalingrad. Our grandfathers and fathers fought for him.

[saag]

Quote: Gorjelin

What for? What's the point of this?

Then, so that for some time people think only about this event and glorify the wise President, then they will come up with something else so as not to be distracted by the situation in the South-East of Ukraine, because people are being killed there, they are asking for help, but they cannot be seen

[Tor hummer]

Quote: saag

Then, so that for some time people think only about this event and glorify the wise President, then they will come up with something else so as not to be distracted by the situation in the South-East of Ukraine, because people are being killed there, they are asking for help, but they cannot be seen

Right. The main point of this dubious event is to distract the public from real problems.

[Egoza]

Quote: Tor Hummer

The main point of this dubious event is to distract the public from real problems.

Not! This is a return to the memory of the people! And against this background, a radical solution to real problems will become clearer.

[atalef]

Quote: Egoza

And against this background, a radical solution to real problems will become clearer.

Anek in the subject

The cabinet scientist-veterinarian (B) comes to the village to help the collective farmers (K) cope with the death of livestock.

Q: Have any complaints?
K: Yes. Cows get sick. Dying, damned ...
Q: So. Cowshed painted in blue. On the walls diagonally there is a red strip ...

Well, they were surprised, they shook with crying. But they did - after all, the capital's "luminary".

Six months later ... Again arrival, meeting again

Q: Well, how are you doing?
K: Yes. Our cows both die and die. Get sick even more ...
Q: Hmm ... Strange ... Well, then you need to paint the barn in green. On the walls diagonally there is a yellow stripe ...

Six months later ... Again arrival, meeting again

Q: Have any complaints?
K: Yes, what complaints are there, all the cows have died!
Q: Yes. Sorry. Very sorry! I still had so many fresh ideas ...

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Egoza

Not! This is a return to the memory of the people! And against this background, a radical solution to real problems will become clearer.

I agree completely. Let's restore the memory of the people! Let's start with the fact that we will return all historical cities (pre-revolutionary names). The historical name of Volgograd is Tsaritsyn. Let's return the historical name and the solution to real problems will become clearer.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Egoza

No! This is a return to the memory of the people!

Elena, the people will have a memory if schoolchildren read and study about it in textbooks. There are many young people, ask them who Stalin is. In our city, many people answer the question of who he is. Yes Kh.Z. The name of the city will not return memory, simply because people themselves do not remember why their city is called that way and not otherwise. Salingrad will not return history, but simply will have a name and no more. If you don’t know the story, it makes no sense.

[saag]

Of course, the electorate at such a moment needs a patriotic justification and the electorate believes this, critical thinking is turned off like a snap

[dmb]

Do not think that I am both "yours and ours". But in this situation it turns out. It's worth returning. But a) not out of love for Stalin, for he, like everyone else, has both good and bad. There, our fathers and grandfathers defended the Motherland and not Stalin personally. b) They defended the SOVIET homeland, so that and whoever spoke. Those who thought differently were with Vlasov and Krasnov. And therefore, the combination of Stalingrad and Chubais with Yakunin in power is personally associated with me only with semi-pregnancy.

[karal]

I think we need to leave everything as it is, and make the name Stalingrad, so to speak, popular. Just need to think about how to formalize everything legally correct.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: karal

I think you need to leave everything as it is,

We have the traffic police how many times the name was redone, but nichrome has not changed

[Psychojoker]

I lean towards the option "no". Just because the renaming will require another drain of money, and not small. There are also higher priority goals.

[Egoza]

Quote: Psyjoker

Just because the renaming will require another drain of money, and not small

ABOUT! When they think only about money, they lose their SPIRITUALITY! Namely in spirituality is the strength of the Russian people! And in the event (God forbid) of the invasion of the enemy, the soulless people lose their courage and immediately raise their hands up!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Egoza

Namely in spirituality is the strength of the Russian people! And in the event (God forbid) of the invasion of the enemy, the soulless people lose their courage and immediately raise their hands up!

Elena, in the event of an invasion, I will defend my land, not the name. I don’t care what city is behind me, simply because the city is on my land.

[Psychojoker]

Spirituality is good, but you yourself imagine how much money our management will devour for the sake of a simple human whim? Yes, for these amounts you can schools or gardens in some kind of muhos ... that is, to build in some distant village / town. And not one, or even two.
It’s better to talk normally about the Battle of Stalingrad in textbooks than to rename cities. In the end, people can be proud of victory and remember battles without a renamed city. For others, rename at least a hundred times - it won’t cure.

ps Indicative spirituality is worse than its complete absence

[Ilya 22]

everyone has their own opinion, I think the name should be unambiguously Stalingrad, in this name strength, courage, steadfastness, will, unity and at the same time bitterness, suffering of the Russian people who overcame the enemy, we honor the memory of those who participated in all this, I bow to you!

[mazhnikof.Niko]

Quote: saag

there was such an idea, it was last year for the anniversary of the battle of Stalingrad and it was logical, but then it was stated that it was not relevant, and then suddenly "at the request of the workers"

This, in fact, once again shows that even a good deed, we are doing very clumsily and, as a rule, out of time! It's a pity!

[Signaller]

They propose to rename the city to Stalingrad, and leave the region as Volgograd. (analogy St. Petersburg and the Leningrad region) Costs ????? Yes, as they say, "we drink more." And the spoon is expensive for dinner. 70 years of Victory is the right time. And how it turns out Victory was won by the people led by Stalin and he somehow has nothing to do with it. Although I am not a supporter of Stalin, respect should be elementary among the people.

[saag]

You saw the roads in Volgograd. all who pass curse them, well, it doesn’t matter, the main thing is because the form, not the content

[vladim.gorbunow]

Stalingrad was, is and will be.

[Shurale]

Need to return memory ...
If you do not know about what happened in the past, you can again dance on the old rake ...
Wash in the history of the country there were many examples when the shortsightedness of politicians led to fatal consequences. Strong politicians who care about the country and its people are born once in 1000 years, and you need to know their path, with their mistakes and victories. Everyone should know about Stalin and everyone should know everything, and not just the lies that feed us from the time of Khrushchev all sorts of u_b_l_yu_d_k_i ...

[Tor hummer]

Quote: Shurale

Need to return memory ...
If you do not know about what happened in the past, you can again dance on the old rake ...

And why are they trying to limit Russian history to 70 by the summer segment of the Soviet era? This city was called Stalingrad for about 60 years, and before that it was Tsaritsyn for several centuries.
All cities, towns and even streets should be given historical names. It will be fair. Moreover, the past cannot be forgotten, otherwise you will always repeat the same mistakes. Let's not be fools and return the city its historical name - Tsaritsyn.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tor Hummer

. Let's not be fools and return the city its historical name - Tsaritsyn.

Well, here's another opinion. I support

[RUSS]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Tor Hummer

. Let's not be fools and return the city its historical name - Tsaritsyn.

Well, here's another opinion. I support

I agree!

[Khalmamed]

Quote: saag

Pure water "averting eyes" to the electorate, why is it suddenly "out of the blue", there was such an idea, it was last year for the anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad, and it was logical, but then it was stated that it was not relevant, and then suddenly " workers' requests "

..... "pumping and pumping" of patriotism .., a multi-move is planned in RUSSIA itself.
..... although the city SHOULD return the name STALINGRAD as a SYMBOL of Courage, Heroism, inhabitants, soldiers and Russian PEOPLE in the war against uncleanness!
..... since 1970 in RUSSIA there are no heroes. There are "heroines" of the botex, "heroes" chimneys (toothless), some kind of "stars" and a riffraff.

[Balamyt]

For a long time it was necessary to rename ..... A referendum is necessary only among residents of the city.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Balamyt

A referendum is necessary only among city residents.

I think so too, but upstairs in comments against. Drive to Slavyansk and return the story there, opponents tell you.

[Voenruk]

And so does not live chtol? Again, the money will go to rename. Sucked the subject out of the finger.

[tracker]

As practice has shown, only a referendum and certainly an all-Russian one will clarify the situation, it is possible for the 70th anniversary.

[footballist87]

That's what happens at the exit, when for 23 years, how to zombify the population in Ukraine, so renaming it to Stalingrad will allow everyone to remember the deed of their grandfathers and belonging to the great history of the country from young to old!

[tokin1959]

We were given the wrong information - Putin called for a referendum on renaming the city of Volgograd to Stalingrad.
Putin didn’t propose this, he answered the question of some former soldier - I’m not going to rename anything, but if the inhabitants of the city want, let them arrange a referendum and rename it.
and the magazine’s incorrect presentation of Putin’s words aroused indignation among some - it distracts from events in Ukraine, raising its rating - I also thought so, others have puppy enthusiasm - Putin said, so we should rather hold a referendum.
In social networks this issue has already been discussed - the residents of Volgograd themselves are mostly against it.
Renaming a city means terrible inconvenience for residents at the household level - this is an alteration of all documents, and at the state level - all kinds of registration, re-registration of firms, enterprises, etc.
billions of rubles to the wind.
in our country there is nowhere to put money?

[DMB87]

Would have tied the vote to the topic. Would be blown away.

[calocha]

Ask the Veterans what they say - so do it! Thanks to them, we are saving the sky ....

[RUSS]

Quote: calocha

Ask the Veterans what they say - so do it! Thanks to them, we are saving the sky ....

The opinion of veterans is very important, but even today's generation should not forget to ask.

[Byordovvv1]

Everything is very, very simple. With what name the city was built and developed, so live with it! The memory of Stalingrad is immortalized in obelisks, monuments, films, books, in the name of the streets, in the human hearts of the whole World, which is quite enough. It is time to once and for all refuse legislatively from momentary, often simply pleasing, initiatives to rename previously existing cities, towns, streets, squares and other things. Build a new one and give them names according to the will of the people. This will be true for History and posterity.

[iwakura]

Quote: Eragon

But only after a city referendum

Now, you just still need to calculate how much it will cost for the region's budget deficit and full of holes. I have already expressed my opinion on another topic. There is no need to speculate on the topic of renaming by earning political capital (and by the way, it is said that GDP is not “rename”, but “if you want to rename, hold a referendum,” that is, use the standard ways of action). Volgograd is now in a terrible state that does not deserve to be called Stalingrad, they cannot find the owner of the unfortunate fountain, no one needs it (although I am not against the fountain, their working fountains, on the fingers of one hand you can count the whole city). Better to put up a couple of playgrounds for this money, and at least ten veterans will patch the roof.

Quote: Max_Bauder

I personally FOR the renaming of Volgograd to Stalingrad!

And I personally am for the return of St. Petersburg named after Leningrad, and I don’t give a damn about Lenin’s grandfather from the first page of the primer (in his native Volgograd, he is still present in the form of several statues, avenue, street and square, the feat of the Soviet people and (.. . and further down the list)

Quote: Byordovvv1

Everything is very, very simple. With what name the city was built and developed, so live with it! The memory of Stalingrad is immortalized in obelisks, monuments, films, books, in the name of the streets, in the human hearts of the whole World, which is quite enough.

I join!
Join

[Rinat 1]

I, too, FOR renaming Volgograd to Stalingrad. But then St. Petersburg needs to return the name Leningrad. In this city, the hero was no less heroism and courage of Soviet soldiers.

[KOH]

I’ll say St. Petersburg and now I’m calling Leningrad, otherwise we’ll say Hero-S. Petersburg, associations-shevchuk, sabchak, etc., and Hero-Leningrad cities, associations-blockade, road of life, etc., something like that .. .

[Yasondinalt]

Decide for those who live in Volgograd. But ... I would-for-. And so that our children remember, and that in the west they do not forget how it happens.

[onizhe]

Personally, I am for renaming, but the residents should decide. Even if someone does not like Stalin, and there are many of them, the return of this name will be a tribute to the era, and not to a specific person. After all, they were not going to rename Dzhugashvili-city. As for money, a referendum is not the most urgent matter. You can coincide with some sort of election. Just then produce an additional newsletter. Volgograd residents have enough money for paper.

[DMB87]

That's right, Putin said - let the residents decide.
Vox populi, no arguing against democracy. The ballot, the votes were counted - as soon as we live in Switzerland.
And as a side effect - maybe one of the Condra liberoids is enough.
Svanidze Avon as sausage and flatten.

http://papasha-mueller.livejournal.com/

[grizli7747]

How did the renamers get it !!!! Build something new and name it whatever you want. Renaming is a legal way to launder money. New addresses, papers, stamps, etc.

[Shurale]

Quote: Tor Hummer

Quote: Shurale

Need to return memory ...
If you do not know about what happened in the past, you can again dance on the old rake ...

And why are they trying to limit Russian history to 70 by the summer segment of the Soviet era? This city was called Stalingrad for about 60 years, and before that it was Tsaritsyn for several centuries.
All cities, towns and even streets should be given historical names. It will be fair. Moreover, the past cannot be forgotten, otherwise you will always repeat the same mistakes. Let's not be fools and return the city its historical name - Tsaritsyn.

Fair to whom?

[RUSS]

In my humble opinion, while it is too early to vote on such issues, they are not in a hurry with the removal of Lenin and you can wait with Stalingrad, the society is too diametrical, and such decisions only split the society even more, rather than consolidate it.

[Deff]

Well, if you watched Putin’s meeting in Normandy, officially, there was a company of Russian grandfathers of front-line soldiers who asked this question. Say, even in Europe there is Stalingrad, in memory of the Battle of Stalingrad, which turned the tide of the war, and they say that in Russia in honor of such a significant event, no.

And if you look at Khrushchev - Khrushch was afraid of the glory of Stalin. It was only because of this that the demonization of the personality cult was organized, which right now is playing into the hands of the West. Indeed, almost for this matter, the network on foreign forums of Stalin is everywhere compared with a fascist, and equated with Hitler.
What neutralizes all the victories and achievements of the USSR, forgetting that it was Stalin who, in the conditions of complete devastation as a result of the First World War, revolution and civil war, in 15 years, in the conditions of a totally hostile environment, created a state that was able to defeat the Hitler war machine.

And we have successfully overpowered the USSR, criticism of the lack of sausage and the queue, now for 23 years we have been living in a "democratic consumer" successfully on the outskirts and at the level of third countries.
Glory to Gorbi-Yeltsin and the USA!

[tokens2]

Ivanovo (city of brides) to Ivanovo-Voznesensk or to Ivanovsk.
And no one thought that:

In RUSSIA, there is the city of Chapaevsk ... in honor of the "great" Soviet commander of a local scale. And not one! In honor of Kutuzov and other great people of the past who saved the Motherland.
Why is there no city of Golenishchev-Kutuzov beyond the Moscow Ring Road in the vicinity of Moscow?. I understand comically

Stalingrad, of course, is centuries old in Russian history and it doesn’t matter what relation to the former leader. And this applies only to this city.
I am personally for Tsaritsyn. Maybe Tsaritsyn-Stalingrad?
In general ... it’s not a matter of calling cities in honor of politicians and military leaders ... It is their business to defend these cities and their citizens.

[tokens2]

Tsaritsyn-Stalingrad?

Klava failed.
Of course Tsaritsyn-Stalingrad.