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"Specially came to write a few lines (good, so far we have a lull - ukram shells are brought up).

I’ve repeatedly read references here to “why should Russia help those who do not want to fight for themselves?” Type 90% of Slavyansk residents are at home ... And links to my application ("Strelkov himself said").

I consider it my duty to clarify:

1. If we had weapons in abundance, then only the Slavic militia would number several thousand fighters.

2. If we had the opportunity not only to arm (as well as dress and shoe) soldiers, but also financially support their families at least at the level of the average local salary (and people come to risk their lives!), Then in Slavyansk we would have a division and would stand in line for weapons.

3. If we had a rear (and it is absolutely necessary for a belligerent army), then we would already have been mobilizing, which would have given tens of thousands of fighters - and people still working (and not lying on the couch, like a great many "office plankton "of megacities of Russia, which had long forgotten what labor in industrial enterprises and in the extractive industry is), would en masse and be ready for it.

Volunteers are always small. My appeal was NOT FOR RUSSIANS, AND FOR DONBASS, and was aimed at making them a little more and it reached its goal. Now there are a lot of them, and we have neither weapons, nor shoes, nor uniforms, so that we can put them into operation.

The help that comes from Russia now WAS NEEDED A MONTH BACK. THEN IT COULD BRING A MAJOR SUCCESS. Now she is barely helping us to hold on, but without a chance to turn the tide in her favor (see above the post about "chewing on some substance by Kremlin responsible officials").

We have nothing, everything is late even not for days, but for weeks ... And ukry, no matter how funny it is, has long been ahead of us. Their car is clumsy, but now competent guys from overseas are directing it (however, I can imagine how they rage and "climb the wall" because of ukrop's slowness and pofigism - just like me because of Russian analogues). And these guys are kicking drive the semi-wrecked car forward - crush and erase from the face of the earth. And with the other hand they throw to the Kremlin “entrances” in the form of “partial payment for gas”, “negotiations”, etc. And the days add up to weeks, weeks - to months ... but there is no real help and no, and all the potential gained on the rise has been wasted a long time ago ...

The stick bends and bends, it cracks, but it still bends ... When she breaks with a bang, it will be too late.

RUSSIA'S HELP IS NEEDED BY US AS AIR!

We are ready to die in the ruins of Slavyanka, but with the firm belief that our dead and wounded under unresponsive howitzer fire are not useless sacrifices! And that we knowingly brought war with us to this beautiful city and the victims of its population are not in vain either! And this faith is torn, like stretched polyethylene in a gale-wind - every day more and more stronger.

And the freaks who are beginning to talk about the "political and economic inexpediency of protecting the southeast for Russians" I would ... no, not shoot! We already have a standard punishment here - “a penal engineer company” ... In Semenovka, under fire, she digs trenches. That would send them there ... For a week. To remember that they are, first of all, Russian, and only then - "citizens of Russia".

***

"However, the military aid that we could receive from Russia in the framework of" de facto recognition "was already late. Now the question is either about giving up or direct military support. Otherwise, with heavy fighting, we are covering refugee columns , we will find ourselves sooner or later on the territory of Russia. Well, those who come, of course ... The army of dill is still a regular army, not a militia. "


PS Plus some marginals in the margins of Strelkov’s reflections from me - E. Holmogorov.

1. When the people of Strelkova came to Slavyansk, as well as rallied in Lugansk and Odessa, the ideology (and the installation) was clear - to hold out until the moment when Russia would introduce peacekeeping forces. Do not let kill Russian before Day R.

2. Then the Kremlin chickened out. I will not throw stones at anyone individually, especially at Putin, since I have no task to shout: “Putin’s gang to justice” - the rulers are responsible for such sins at the Last Judgment. But we must clearly understand that the Kremlin was the only coward of Western pressure and Western threats, and did not “begin to adhere to a cunning plan.” The forces in the Russian leadership, oriented to the West, in aggregate began to dominate those who can not always be called nationalists, but who in general are statesmen and anti-globalists, confident that the West will succeed in imposing its play by force.

3. Most likely all story would roll back completely, but then the Ukrainians began to get up to SUCH (Odessa, Mariupol, etc.) that the road back was also gone. Hence the strange and shameful picture that we have been witnessing over the last month - inarticulate moans, contradictory gestures and attempts at ideological self-justification by creating myths about "clever multipurpose". Mnogohodovka was in April and Slavyansk was part of it. In May, the multi-path was gone and even more so in June.

4. Most precisely, the position of the Kremlin is described by the formula of Charles of Anjou after the Sicilian Vespers: "Lord, if you decide to overthrow me, then make me go down in small steps." The Kremlin mines down a slippery slope. A month ago, the use of "Gradov" would cause a tsunami of righteous wrath. Today we state this as a tragic fact and make gestures silently reproachful. But, at the Kremlin’s misfortune, the vengeful partners (more precisely, the owners of its financial eggs), through the dill that were offended by the blood of the dill, continually give him humiliating kicks, splits, spit blood in their backs and adjust the Schnele-Schnele. The steeper the slope becomes, the stronger the jolts in the back.

5. It may be that someone can, but not me, is engaged in the literary cover-up of this shame, since my position was always clear and unequivocal, and, if they had followed it, now all the trump cards would be on our hands. The story in the Donbass could not begin - and, we note, for example, I never incited to the beginning of the story in the Donbass, but, taking the first step, this game could and should have been played to the end and nothing else.

6. The situation of the inhabitants of Slavyansk, and of the entire Donbass, is now defined by the words "bestial betrayal." They were promised that their sacrifice and their exploits are needed for help to come from Russia. He personally, including the Riflemen, promised, but it is difficult to blame him - he promised because he himself was sure. Then, after turning and starting the way down the slope, the lonely Slavyansk and a small group of Strelkova were on the edge of striking the entire Ukrainian army, now controlled by American instructors. They are simply destroyed - they cut down the light, the aqueduct, they kill people. The technical capabilities of the regular Ukrainian army are infinitely more, and in Strelkova, it seems, even “Nona” was eventually shot down (noticed that it stopped being mentioned?).

7. To the question of people who instead of the position of the support base of the militia turned out to be on the sweep of Nevsky Piglet: “Why?”, They are looked at mockingly and answer: “Nobody promised you anything”. Except for meanness and bestiality this bringing of innocent people to the safety of pig farms cannot be called.

8. At the same time, I will emphasize once again that all possibilities existed, even after they refused from a large-scale operation, to pour into the Donbass and specifically into Slavyansk a sufficient amount of armaments and create normal logistic support, so that the Ukrainian army simply ceased to exist under Slavyansk. This would be a clear message to the West about the scale of the losses in case they are set up for confrontation with the Russian Federation.

9. There is no need to talk about the critical level of sanctions in the case of such a policy, since the critical level of sanctions - painful and humiliating - is what they will now begin to produce over the cowed. Today’s signal of the refusal of Bulgaria to build the South Stream is the announcement of what will happen next. And the most sensitive sanctions will not be by decision of the Big Sixes, not with the help of official statements and laws, but. so to speak. without prior arrangement: "We do not want, Do not, Do not put it. Do not Treba." This is “Not Treba” Moscow will hear at every turn, but, blinded by safety until the moment of their personal wallets, the pigs at their champing only at the last moment will notice that the damage from such sanctions in relation to the defeated is much higher than it would be from "repressive sanctions" against the winner. They will find it when it turns out that they have nothing more to steal.

10. The option is still there. And this option is obvious - flip the board and stand up. Being attached to any humanitarian excuse, which is now hundreds daily - to refugee flows, to the killing of children, to the seizure of journalists, to force Ukraine to peace. Here, even a fuck up in front of Poroshenko can come in handy: "We believed him, but he disappointed us and showed himself to be the last villain!" The more brutally and demonstratively the Russian Federation will act, the better, precisely because the entire Western strategy is completely based on the presumption of our cowardice, on the fact that we will retreat and apologize. Super long preparatory period is also not necessary. Our army will have a solid rear, a friendly population, that hates the Ukrainian invaders and the army of Ukraine that is completely ineffective against it. Increase the operation can be in the course of its development.

11. The ideology of such an operation is also completely clear: "Nehru kill people, bitches frostbitten!" At this moment, nothing more is needed or even unnecessary. Just showing the 24 hours is what - in fact! - occurs in Slavyansk and around it, list the dead, show from the photo, and you will have a solid nation of 100% (since Ekho Moskvy does not belong to our nation - I do not exaggerate).

12. The variant with the urgent pumping up of the Strelkov group with all the necessary and continuation of evasion from the official entry into a collision is less preferable. The essence of the "leash" on which the West holds the Kremlin, in particular, is that they will not give any real help to Donbas with impunity. And therefore, for foreign policy consequences, indirect assistance is likely to be one price or even more expensive than direct. Although, if someone needs to close his eyes - that is good, close your eyes and help. But only in full. At the same time, Russia will not have, if successful, the status of a winner, which is crucial for unleashing the whole site. Let me remind once again - the Winner is not Judged, the Defeated pays twice, three times and how many times they ask. Since the time of Mark Furia Camilla, nothing has changed here.

13. If the Kremlin’s betrayal is finally defined (in fact, it’s not final now only that there is still the possibility of triumphantly playing the situation back to victory), then no one will condemn Strelkov if he really moves away, taking refugees with him, instead so that in return for the status of an uncomfortable living hero, acquire the status of a dead hero convenient to all. Although there is no need to downplay the dangers of such a departure - Ukraine will give up all efforts, including Aviationto destroy this column of refugees (as well as those who remain in the city to be torn to pieces) and simply drown Putin in their blood. Our sworn friends are well aware that by forcing the Kremlin to jump and humiliate themselves, imposing responsibility on him on his death and grief, they lower his political credit not only to the pre-Crimean level - somewhere in the region of December 2011 and below. .. This calculation of the self-destruction of the Russian Federation as a result of a foreign policy defeat undoubtedly motivates our enemies more than the fate of Ukraine itself. It was no coincidence that they began to reap exactly at the moment when the first slack appeared.

14. At the same time, it is necessary to understand that plum and betrayal will be counted by us (and there are quite a lot of us and, having eliminated, for example, me, there is nothing to change) the Kremlin precisely as a major foreign policy defeat caused by anti-national, anti-Russian policy. The fact that the Russian people, the lives of the Russian people, their safety and freedom are valued by the Kremlin is infinitely lower than its blue chips and, as Strelkov has already indicated, the lives of the venerable Ossetians. Russian life is equal for the Kremlin 1 / 1000 life of the Ossetian. So let's write it down, without any hostility towards Ossetians (what shall we do, shall we envy). There is no chance to convince us that this was a great state wisdom and responsibility - no. Either it was at the beginning of an ill-conceived irresponsible stupidity, whose place in the annals of history (7 was involved in millions of people in the war, and then did not come on the battlefield), or at the end it was meanness and cowardice, increased by the fact that no one tried to think and relieve their suffering.

However, as long as Strelkov holds on, while the branch bends, there is every chance of turning defeat into a deafening and delightful victory. If this does not happen - Strelkov is not guilty.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 9 June 2014 06: 08
    +209
    I believe that Russia's assistance must be full, in any case, we are accused and will be accused of "complicity" with the militias, so why are we shrinking!? ....
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 9 June 2014 06: 19
      +105
      Well, at least fit to the border (in no case crossing it !!!) five or ten vaunted 300 complexes. And there is a reason - violation of dill in the airspace of the Russian Federation. Well, to announce that no one flies in the zone of their defeat, and this is 200 km from the border. If necessary, then for clarity, to shoot down - first a drone if possible, and not help - then a manned target.
      1. Sunjar
        Sunjar 9 June 2014 06: 31
        +22
        So that you don’t poke your finger exclusively on Russia in aggression towards Ukraine, you should bring China and South Ossetia with you (let them return the debt), another one from the CIS. Then, in general, it will be possible to hammer a bolt throughout the EU and the USA combined.
        1. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign 9 June 2014 07: 30
          +12
          what warriors from South Ossetia do we already know, and China, what place did you join the CIS countries?
          some nonsense you froze comrade!
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          2. timurpl
            timurpl 10 June 2014 20: 32
            +3
            Quote: maxxdesign
            what warriors from South Ossetia do we already know

            -Yes, you’re your mother, the hero is a couch !!!
            -In Moscow, in the Museum of the Army. Army on the ground floor there is a table in marble, on which the number of heroes of the Soviet Union to the number of population is embossed in gold letters. So how do you think a talker, who comes first ?!
        2. varov14
          varov14 10 June 2014 10: 06
          +14
          What a bolt, the "cunning plan" of the liberals has been fulfilled and even exceeded. The people of Donbass and Lugansk were dragged into the meat grinder and thrown, the war was driven to the borders of Russia, fermentation will now begin inside, it is worth a little more heat and throw a match. Liberators always did not breathe evenly towards the fascists and were supported, and if this is in the interests of the West and even a money bag, then they will turn inside out. One thing they do not take into account, if we start the same thing as in Ukraine, there will be no deterrent, only a steep terror, ahead of a grenade, after it ourselves, we will sort it out later. "There will be no one to share the gas." The system clearly needs to be changed - it did not meet our expectations.
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 11 June 2014 19: 33
            +2
            Quote: varov14
            The system clearly needs to be changed - it has not met our expectations.

            He could not justify anything. But chewing gum, jeans and porn - heaps!
            Let me remind you of Prokhorov’s words on TV: if someone wants re-privatization, the whole country will be washed with blood. That is, nobody will just let anyone return to socialism. And here even the Yankees will help our authorities and oligarchs.
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 12 June 2014 01: 33
              0
              ProheR - yes. He said. The future mlyn is "our" parAshenko. in general, the oligarchs showed themselves in dill. it's time for us to turn around
        3. hiryrg
          hiryrg 12 June 2014 03: 08
          0
          Generals - if only to fight, to shed rivers of alien blood, they themselves will sit in the trenches. It is all a matter of inconsistency, haste and political amateurism of the actors. I mean, a bad general will put a thousand fighters to capture an object that is not strategically important. In a word, they framed Putin and all of Russia. And it was only necessary to wait, rallying and gathering strength for a decisive blow on the entire front. And after the general impoverishment (spring 2015), the army of the dissatisfied would amount to several million, and by the example of the life of Crimeans, all of Ukraine would understand who is friend and who is enemy.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 06: 33
        +47
        Quote: mig31
        I believe that Russia's assistance must be complete,

        Quote: Nagan
        Well, at least fit to the border (in no case not crossing it !!!) five or ten vaunted 300 complexes

        Sorry men, but the realities are different ...
        NATO Foreign Ministers to approve package of assistance to Ukraine in June«We are working right now with Ukraine on a solid assistance package that will be discussed by the NATO foreign ministers when they meet this month. I assume that we will increase partnership with Ukraine in the coming months and years, ”said Rasmussen.http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/politics/18484310/

        And from our side like that ...8 june | Newsoboz
        Matvienko expects to resume diplomatic relations between Kiev and the Kremlin
        The Russian Federation is ready to restore diplomatic relations with Ukraine in full format, NewsOboz.org reports with reference to Channel 5
        hi Think about what and what will happen next. I don’t know.
        Although there isn’t something about gas that our authorities shut up, it was probably a shame.
        1. obraztsov
          obraztsov 9 June 2014 06: 44
          +87
          Putin said that the spring has nowhere to tighten, and we are all retreating and retreating. So we wait for our spring to flatten and it will never be able to straighten again.

          And for gas I want to say that every penny paid by Ukraine for gas will not go to the ATO. So this is another front. And successes on this front are not visible to us.
          1. demo
            demo 9 June 2014 08: 27
            +27
            A penny not paid for gas does not stand next to a drop of spilled blood!
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 9 June 2014 08: 45
              +52
              Quote: demo
              A penny not paid for gas does not stand next to a drop of spilled blood!

              Exactly. if Putin surrenders the southeast, Crimea will not outweigh him. his rating will become zero and as a result he will have to leave. Nothing will wash away the blood of New Russia. And the gas? burn it on it in Hell, under the cries of the innocent victims. Of course, I can't believe in this ending. There is one more thing not a single self-respecting partisan will recognize and announce the arrival of military aid from the "allies". It is more profitable for him, on the contrary, to say that there is no bad help, since this line was announced by the head of state of the ally. and in the meantime, it will still be on the rise through the special services. Maybe so.
              1. Victoria 1980
                Victoria 1980 9 June 2014 14: 39
                +44
                Wait, now they will start to squeeze Crimea from the vanquished. They will put pressure on them so that the Crimeans themselves will ask back. "Want Peace by Shame? Get Both War and Shame" by Winston Churchill
                1. Dmitry Toderes
                  Dmitry Toderes 9 June 2014 19: 21
                  +9
                  Yes, to hell with them, not the Crimea. Crimea will not return to them. Crimeans swore this. De facto they are always with us.
                2. Lehanset
                  Lehanset 9 June 2014 20: 53
                  0
                  Very wise words! Yes
                3. fyvaprold
                  fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: Victoria 1980
                  Wait, now the losers will also begin to squeeze the Crimea. They will press so that the Crimeans themselves will be asked back.

                  Nonsense. How will they "win" and, most importantly, on whom? Who is the "loser"? Russia is not at war with anyone. Or am I missing something? With respect.
                4. Antor
                  Antor 10 June 2014 13: 22
                  +1
                  And it will be inevitable, the losers do not stand on ceremony!
                  1. fyvaprold
                    fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: Antor
                    And it will be inevitable, the losers do not stand on ceremony!

                    Losers in the storm? Russia, in your opinion, if the militias are gouged, will it sign a surrender? Who is Russia fighting with now? Who should she "lose" Explain please. With respect.
                    1. romaniron
                      romaniron 10 June 2014 16: 39
                      +3
                      Russia always fights, and fights with a strong and arrogant adversary. His name is the USA and a pack of henchmen and jackals from Europe who bark and bark on the orders of the owner. Now Russian people are dying in the southeast, and our country is called (for those who do not know) Russia and it is obliged by all articles and laws, directly and indirectly, regardless of any losses, to help and protect the Russian people wherever they are and lived.
                      1. fyvaprold
                        fyvaprold 10 June 2014 17: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: romaniron
                        and our country is called (for those who do not know) Russia

                        For those who are "in the know", the South-East of Ukraine is not in Russia, in fact. And Russia
                        Quote: romaniron
                        under all articles and laws
                        obliged to protect their citizens, and the Russians to provide support and assistance, nothing more. Do you think that Russia is only watching indifferently? With respect.
                      2. fyvaprold
                        fyvaprold 10 June 2014 17: 35
                        +11
                        And your phrase
                        Quote: romaniron
                        no matter what the loss
                        generally put me into a stupor. Ask your mother if she will agree with such arguments, if your cold corpse is among the losses? The third day I was in the Rostov region, on the border with Ukraine, there are a lot of refugees there, and every third (of those whom I have seen) is a healthy man. To my question: - "Hul you guys are doing here, why don't you defend your land from swinebanderlog?", They answered me: - "Did I forget about that war? My family came to Russia with mine, and let those fight , who should do it. ". For such" Russians "Russia should" disregard "losses? With respect.
                      3. Ramadan
                        Ramadan 11 June 2014 00: 09
                        +1
                        5 points ! Nothing more to add
              2. Dmitry Toderes
                Dmitry Toderes 9 June 2014 19: 19
                +1
                Moreover, the Ukrainian border guards themselves have already opened the border in several places.
              3. aksakal
                aksakal 9 June 2014 20: 27
                +19
                Quote: ed65b
                Right if Putin surrenders the southeast-Crimea will not outweigh it.
                - and I, a former ardent Putinist, who defended him together with Esaul, I say bluntly - "Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, left the post of President of the Russian Federation! For he is unworthy!" Give way to Strelkov. If now I am accused of the fact that, with the help of people like me, Western opponents achieved their goal by "forcing the Kremlin to jerk and humiliate itself, blaming it with its non-help responsibility for the death and grief of people, they lower its political credit not so much to pre-Crimean level - somewhere in the region of December 2011 and below "- I admit it directly. Because it is better to admit defeat by driving out a coward than to have a coward as your President. And I said everything. I also don’t believe in Putin’s cunning combinations, I’m sure that he was a trite coward - and that’s the end of the conversation. In the Army, when the grandfathers came, you either immediately recognize the rules of "bullying", or, if you decided to stand up for yourself, then stand up to the end. The option when he rushed to stand up for himself, but a little later the biggest and most pumped-up "grandfather" began to stand up, and you "broke down" at that moment - the worst option, the worst! This is exactly what Putin has done. Didn't expect it at all!
                1. azkolt
                  azkolt 10 June 2014 00: 38
                  +10
                  Aksakal, 100%! The only thought that still amuses Putin knows more than us by virtue of his position and better assesses the possibilities.
                  1. Sandov
                    Sandov 10 June 2014 19: 15
                    0
                    Quote: azkolt
                    Aksakal, 100%! The only thought that still amuses Putin knows more than us by virtue of his position and better assesses the possibilities.

                    Only this holds back from the mat.
                2. fyvaprold
                  fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Exactly. if Putin surrenders the southeast, Crimea will not outweigh him. - and I, a former ardent Putinist, who defended him together with Esaul, I say bluntly - "Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich, left the post of President of the Russian Federation! For he is unworthy!" Give way to Strelkov.
                  negative
                  Sorry, I don't quite understand - are you very young or very stupid? You can tell Narsultan Nazarbayev such advice directly. The president is elected by the people, the president of the Russian Federation is chosen by the people of the Russian Federation, not Kazakhstan. To whom should Putin "yield" the presidency? I repeat this is an elective position. To concede to Strelkov, and who is Strelkov? Whoever heard about him outside of this site, where, as I suspect, the entire editorial board of "Tomorrow" has gathered, moreover, together with the children, so they force their colleague. You will forgive Vova that he did not live up to your personal hopes, maybe Strelkov will succeed. Russia, after all, is only needed to support Strelkov on the South-East, this is its historical mission - to be loyal to the Strelkovites. I have never been a "Putinist" and have always considered him a slicker, and I have even less opinion of Strelkov - he is a fairground jester, a silkfiner jester. IMHO. With respect.
                  1. nils
                    nils 11 June 2014 13: 44
                    +3
                    And who are you?
                    1. fyvaprold
                      fyvaprold 11 June 2014 21: 00
                      0
                      Quote: nils
                      And who are you?

                      I am the one who with you "brakes" in the gateways from the "throat" did not lap, therefore, keep yourself within the bounds of decency. With respect.
                  2. Slavs
                    Slavs 11 June 2014 14: 01
                    +2
                    Yes, you, sir, the eagle is an intellectual, especially you worked hard on a nickname ...))) Strelkov will have more merits for the Fatherland and your people ... Be careful with insults ...
                    1. fyvaprold
                      fyvaprold 11 June 2014 20: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Slavs
                      Yes, you, sir, the eagle is an intellectual, especially you worked hard on the nickname ...)))

                      I didn’t "work" on a nickname, but simply put my finger on the "keyboard", but about my merits, they were out of the question here, and what Strelkov's merits to the Fatherland are unknown to me. If you vkurse, will not make it difficult for you to enlighten me (without "joking" I say), And what "Fatherland" did you mean, ours with you or maybe some other (again, not "kidding"). With respect.
                      1. Slavs
                        Slavs 11 June 2014 23: 56
                        0
                        It’s easy to go through life, dear ... And you will go far ... I say this without irony and sarcasm. Death in the trench does not threaten you, you will not allow it ... But Strelkova’s merits you will never see, like the others, you’re like ... Even if you show them very close to you ... You don’t come so close want to.
                      2. fyvaprold
                        fyvaprold 12 June 2014 12: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Slavs
                        Death in the trench does not threaten you, you will not allow this ...

                        In the trenches I have already served my time and did not see you nearby (although I do not exclude that you were there somewhere). You are right, now I am not in danger of death in the trenches, do you think that this is my fault? And about "I easily go through life", excuse me, but how do you know this? What do you even know about me and "like me"? It never occurred to you that war is precisely what those who saw it with their own eyes, and not in the cinema, and for whom the meeting of colleagues, not a merry drinking party, but a funeral meal do not want. I did not try to oppose "my merits" to Strelkov's, re-read the commentary, here others opposed Strelkov to Putin. I am not a fan of Putin, but I believe that his merits to the Fatherland are an order of magnitude, Putin also has enough "shoals", but the merits, IMHO, outweigh them.
                        And where and how close I want to go, you are unlikely to ever know, because you will never be there to give an assessment. With respect.
                        PS: Participation in "historical reconstructions", I considered and still consider a fairground clown (with the exception of any filming), and cooperation with Prokhanov's "hurray-patriotic" "Tomorrow" is a stigma. IMHO.
                      3. renics
                        renics 14 June 2014 12: 55
                        +1
                        What are you arguing about here, you need to discuss the events of international life or politics, and not your own intellectual dignities and abilities, about the notions of who will offend and humiliate anyone more.
                3. ilyich
                  ilyich 10 June 2014 20: 00
                  +2
                  how easy it is to get you. drink cold water, brave man.
                4. dilyanna
                  dilyanna 10 June 2014 23: 21
                  +1
                  I wrote a lot of things off topic ... emotions in such cases, only women let go ... it doesn’t look like a provocateur ... Army things cannot be judged by such large-scale things, and black and white maximalist teenagers are judged.

                  Putin is doing everything right, if there are reasons to defend the southeast now, then there are significant reasons. He even removed the troops from the border with greater US pressure, and there could be only one pressure - war, where all republics would suffer from this. A DNI and LC will become a Brest Fortress ...
                  you can’t rush into such matters when millions of lives are at stake
                  1. Ramadan
                    Ramadan 11 June 2014 00: 15
                    +3
                    Yes, not because of the war, he removed the troops, what are you talking about ??
                    If someone had even the slightest opportunity to end us by military means without consequences for themselves, then everything would have been over long ago.
                    There are some other maneuvers, like in chess, and I ask you not to be confused with the game of "Chapaev"!
                5. suomi
                  suomi 11 June 2014 21: 14
                  +1
                  Aksakal, get off the sofa and into the Donbass. Together with Kholmogorov. Chewing popcorn is the easiest way to give advice and resent. Better yet, send your children to fight there. If you have them. As soon as we bring our troops to Ukraine, we will get an unprecedented unity of Ukraine. And we will be enemies in the eyes of 90 percent of Ukrainians. And enemies must be killed.
                  1. fyvaprold
                    fyvaprold 11 June 2014 22: 24
                    0
                    Quote: suomi
                    Aksakal, get off the sofa and into the Donbass. Together with Kholmogorov.

                    Speaking of Kholmogorov, it would be nice for some cheer patriots to find out something on the basis of the article about the author of this article before calling for a change in the president of a neighboring state.
                    You suomi, in vain you call for "volunteering", if Aksakal, perhaps, will go to war (at least I have no reason to doubt this), then you will not lure Musya Kholmogorov to war with donuts IMHO, tk. I am a little familiar with his "creative" and have some idea. Here's one small example:
                    With respect.
              4. varov14
                varov14 10 June 2014 10: 20
                +1
                The legend is fresh, it's like a "cunning plan".
              5. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 26
                +3
                Quote: ed65b
                Right if Putin surrenders the southeast-Crimea will not outweigh it. his rating will become zero and in the end he will have to leave.

                Don't talk nonsense. Putin's rating (not to be remembered by nightfall) has nothing to do with Novorossiya. Putin is the president of the Russian Federation, not the "people's mayor" of Lugansk, and besides the South-East, he has other things to do. There is no need to project your "sofa" vision of events on the harsh political realities. With respect.
                1. ilyich
                  ilyich 10 June 2014 20: 08
                  +3
                  well done. Chota somehow everyone forgot that while the number of dead citizens of the Russian Federation in the Ukrainian conflict-tends to zero. and who can’t wait to support SE and to indicate the position, welcome to write kamenty from the trenches of Slavyansk.

                  Putin, as president of the Russian Federation, is fulfilling and exceeding his responsibilities. in the presence of a heated conflict in the border state, citizens of the state entrusted to him receive a stable salary, do not fly two hundredth to their homeland, the homeland expands its alliances and increases trade turnover. and six months, as I could have already fought and stood in the Kiev region opposite NATO.
                  Six months of peaceful life prevented someone here? 3.14 blow into dill.
              6. user
                user 10 June 2014 14: 52
                0
                I agree. If Putin merges the Southeast image losses, in addition to material losses will be huge. I’m afraid to add, but I think that they will more than overlap the financial ones, I’m not talking about any ratings.
              7. shtanko.49
                shtanko.49 10 June 2014 18: 44
                0
                Yes, Crimea will not outweigh the death of Donbass and the creeping of Russia before the Geyropa and Monkeys. This is a blow to our future, we just became proud of something and again hit us, dropped below the plinth. I trusted Putin, now I don’t believe anyone, loot decided everything, hypocrisy and betrayal, it is an example of all the oligarchs and modern rulers. The USSR was dazed and spat, and now this standard is for the lives of simple and honest people.
            2. Blondy
              Blondy 9 June 2014 10: 17
              +6
              This is all the lyrics. But it seems like Napoleon said that three things are needed for war: money, money, and once again money.
              1. Deniska
                Deniska 9 June 2014 12: 34
                +8
                This is all the lyrics. But it seems like Napoleon said that three things are needed for war: money, money, and once again money.


                In the original, the phrase belongs to Gian Jacopo Trivulzio and sounds like: "To wage a war you need three things: money, money and money again"
                1. Lehanset
                  Lehanset 9 June 2014 20: 56
                  +1
                  Whoever said it, but he's damn right! sad
              2. max702
                max702 10 June 2014 19: 01
                0
                And what did he end up with? Maybe not only money is needed for the war, but what is even more important?
            3. bytkeev
              bytkeev 10 June 2014 07: 21
              +4
              If you believe Parash Enko’s published and voiced on the air with the security forces, then they spent the money allocated by the United States for military needs for other purposes, So Parash ... allowed them to compensate (to report to the United States) with the money that was intended to pay for gas ... And let Russia wait ... he will agree with them ... Here is SU ...
              That’s mobile groups ... and shoot such politicians ... all over Ukraine ... so that they don’t know where to hide ...
            4. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 20
              +2
              Quote: demo
              A penny not paid for gas does not stand next to a drop of spilled blood!

              And a bucket of sweat spilled during gas production.
          2. Ustas
            Ustas 9 June 2014 09: 31
            +22
            Quote: obraztsov
            Putin said there’s nowhere to compress further,

            So it was a market lie.
            Damn, and I believed him.
          3. baltika-18
            baltika-18 9 June 2014 09: 49
            +13
            Quote: obraztsov
            And for gas I want to say that every penny paid by Ukraine for gas will not go to the ATO
            One day of the operation "dill" costs 3 million dollars. Recently, Ukraine received 750 million dollars for undeclared purposes. For 250 days of the operation, this is enough. These expenses are controlled by military advisers. Nothing to do with payments for gas.
          4. varov14
            varov14 10 June 2014 10: 16
            -6
            Apparently Putin is not a puppeteer but an ordinary puppet and beat him outright. The spring has flattened, cadres decide everything, so they decided.
        2. domokl
          domokl 9 June 2014 07: 41
          +40
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Think about what and what will happen next. I don’t know.

          Hello sash hi I read the article, read the comments and ... I completely disagree with almost everyone ... Look, what kind of warriors are we ... Sofa, send troops, use something there ... help Strelkov ...
          Isn’t it clear what’s happening now? Poroshenko turned from an elected one into a real president, which means he has only two options for action — either strengthening the ATO and completely stopping communication with Putin and some European politicians (and this is death in two, a maximum of three months), or stop the war and look for options for negotiations. In this case, you can count on some sort of discounts on the price of gas, at least temporarily maintain the status quo in trade and other relations with the Russian Federation.
          Slavyansk has already won! Strelkov has already won!
          But the direct introduction of the army into Ukraine will lead to meaninglessness, unnecessary all the previous struggle, all deaths. So a week or two militias will have to fight anyway .. Although Poroshenko said that this week the war will end, but he has as much faith as other politicians in Ukraine.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 08: 25
            +27
            Quote: domokl
            But the direct introduction of the army to Ukraine will lead to meaninglessness, the uselessness of the entire previous struggle, all deaths.

            Hello enemy of democracy! You wrote yesterday or the day before yesterday that it’s time to bomb the adder from the air winked
            Sanya, we’ll see, I don’t understand how and why. Gas, economy and other crap are already boring and not interesting to anyone. But fucking well on the same Karachun was not bad. I was tired of these Bandera geeks.
            1. 225chay
              225chay 9 June 2014 08: 50
              +20
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              it wasn’t bad to fucking well in the same Karachun. I was tired of these Bandera geeks.


              To send thousands of "Kadyrov's falcons" and other "volunteer hunters" there is still a "window" on the border, as well as weapons: flamethrowers, grenade launchers, night vision devices, MANPADS, which is what Strelkov is already talking about ...
          2. CAPILATUS
            CAPILATUS 9 June 2014 08: 41
            +12
            I think the same. Today I talked with a friend in Kramatorsk, the fifth column is still large, 30 percent.
            Russia will send troops, howling from them will be to the whole world. By the way, for the same reason they are sung by small independent groups, because if a big one comes forward, it is trite to knock on and the operation breaks down.
            And Poroshenko is a businessman, he understands perfectly well that without normal relations with the Russian Federation he won’t be able to see denyus.
          3. Ustas
            Ustas 9 June 2014 09: 38
            +17
            Quote: domokl
            To bring in troops, apply something there ... help Strelkov ... Is it not clear what’s going on now? Poroshenko turned from a chosen one into a real president. So he has only two options for action — either strengthening the ATO and completely stopping communication with him Putin, and some European politicians (and this is death in two, at most three months), or stop the war and look for options for negotiations. In this case, you can count on some sort of discounts on the price of gas, at least temporarily maintain the status Quo in trade and other relations with the Russian Federation.

            And you explain this to the parents of a girl from Slavyansk, who was killed by a fragment of shelling, a daughter who died before her eyes after an air raid in Lugansk, to refugees whose Ukrainians-Zapadents destroyed their homes and deprived of their homeland.
            1. Nick
              Nick 9 June 2014 20: 12
              +13
              Quote: Ustas
              And you explain this to the parents of a girl from Slavyansk, who was killed by a fragment of shelling, a daughter who died before her eyes after an air raid in Lugansk, to refugees whose Ukrainians-Zapadents destroyed their homes and deprived of their homeland.

              It’s you from a bad mind to a healthy one. It’s not Russia that bombards Slavyansk ... It’s necessary to present dill like that ...
            2. Rider
              Rider 11 June 2014 19: 40
              +1
              and then you explain to the mothers of soldiers from Russia
          4. baltika-18
            baltika-18 9 June 2014 10: 00
            +10
            Quote: domokl
            Slavyansk has already won! Strelkov has already won!
            Well, Strelkov may have won, but Vladimir Vladimirovich does not seem to be very.
            Quote: domokl
            Poroshenko has turned from an elected one into a real president, which means he has only two options for action — either the strengthening of the ATO and the complete cessation of communication with Putin and some European politicians
            And he (Poroshenko) really needs this communication with Putin, if he made a bet on the West and the states made? Western politicians and Obama are not independent in making decisions, they have been rule for a long time and Poroshenko by and large the candidacy of those who rule.
          5. Bully
            Bully 9 June 2014 10: 27
            +8
            Quote: domokl
            Poroshenko has turned from an elected one into a real president, which means he has only two options ...

            The reasoning would be correct if Poroshenko was independent, i.e. master of his land. And in terms of housekeeping, such actions would look logical, would be justified. But, he is just a puppet, and the real owner has other goals - he does not need friendship with Putin and concern for the people of Ukraine. Do not believe it - we will wait two weeks and see what will happen as Strelkov predicts, unless a miracle happens.
          6. Spectrum
            Spectrum 9 June 2014 11: 42
            +8
            I absolutely agree with you, here people write about the introduction of troops, etc., are they crazy in the country? There are 40 million in the country, and militias can be counted on the fingers, and these 40 million are brainwashed every minute, I very much doubt that they will meet ours with flowers there .if out of 40 at least a third took to the streets, then there would be no problem at once. And about the militias, they are fighting on their land, there is no need to scold Putin, he asked to wait with a referendum, did anyone listen to him? no. People are dying and this is terrible, but decisions cannot be made on emotions.
          7. Alekseev
            Alekseev 9 June 2014 14: 15
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            direct introduction of the army into Ukraine will lead to meaninglessness, the uselessness of the entire previous struggle, all deaths.

            Yes sir! And even the introduction of the army will lead to a break with Europe, although it itself does not want this, losses in the economy, the scale of which is difficult to assess now. Asia does not immediately and not completely replace it.
            What to do, what to do?
            To support, as the DPR and LPR armies have repeatedly written here, it’s good that they broke the border. Maybe, in a quiet time, like Israel in Syria and Lebanon, and sometimes hit the WTO at the headquarters, warehouses and gatherings of banderlogs, let them then sort it out at the UN on the principle of who will hand over whom.
            Conduct propaganda and agitation and economically (not just gas) crush Svidomo.
            To provide assistance to refugees.
            That’s probably all. But if all this is done well, then the victory will be ours.
            1. Nick
              Nick 9 June 2014 20: 18
              +4
              Quote: Alekseev
              To support, as the DPR and LPR armies have repeatedly written here, it’s good that they broke the border. Maybe, in a quiet time, like Israel in Syria and Lebanon, and sometimes hit the WTO at the headquarters, warehouses and gatherings of banderlogs, let them then sort it out at the UN on the principle of who will hand over whom.

              This is much wiser and more effective. One or two accurate hits on pain points is no less effective than massive hits anywhere ...
          8. lola
            lola 9 June 2014 18: 56
            +2
            What are you talking about? Two weeks? People die there. You talk about how you play chess.
          9. Nick
            Nick 9 June 2014 20: 07
            +8
            Quote: domokl
            I read the article, read the comments and ... I completely disagree with almost everyone

            Thank God! At least one sane comment! Thanks! And then the patriots already got it with one crinkle in their head ...
          10. Candy wrapper
            Candy wrapper 10 June 2014 00: 21
            +2
            Do you yourself domokl realize that you are on the road? What then was the point of starting a war in the southeast and shed so much blood? What would then provide a discount on gas for Ukraine and go home? fool
            It is clear that Poroshenko will not make any demands on federalization or non-aligned status for Ukraine, and this is out of the question.
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          12. varov14
            varov14 10 June 2014 10: 49
            +3
            domokl (2) ---- "Poroshenko has turned from being elected into a real president," but he is also a money bag, and where he keeps his money and manages it. And it obviously does not store in Russia and it is naturally not Putin who manages it and will not stake on him. By the way, Putin also keeps Russian money outside of Moscow and leaves it from one place, which is why they will try to find contact, although they don’t need each other. But they will agree on the price of gas and how to decorate the slaughterhouse in Ukraine and heat Europe in winter. The media will "objectively" write everything down and tell us, the consumers, the electorate, that summer is still ahead.
          13. Executer
            Executer 10 June 2014 13: 54
            0
            Porosyonkov has already responded with the intention to provide a corridor for the evacuation of the population. So the intention to continue the slaughter! "...so he has only two options for action, either ATO gain and the complete cessation of communication with the same Putin, and some European politicians (and this is death in two, maximum three months), or to end the war and look for options for negotiations. "
          14. His
            His 11 June 2014 13: 01
            0
            Licking do not fight. Do not like the news, switch the channel, turn on the gum club, and think that everything is fine.
            Conflicting thoughts arise. The introduction of troops is a last resort. Because you have to move further to the borders with Poland. Ukraine (it is more correct to call it now a gall midge) has the entire west in its allies. And as always, we have nobody. The USSR with its capabilities fought for several years and laid down tens of millions, then there was still no nuclear weapon. And now, to save Strelkov, we’ll put the whole country without a trace. We must play in other ways, it was Vietnam. Ultimately, the Americans went away with their tail tucked, taking their junta along the way. There was also Spain. Who will be the struggle for Ukraine. Just guess
        3. w2000
          w2000 9 June 2014 08: 32
          +19
          Moreover, Matvienko said yesterday that as soon as Kiev stops the military operation, Russia will demand that the militias immediately lay down their arms and sit down at the negotiating table to reconcile the citizens of a united Ukraine. Those. Moscow does not want to take into account the independence of the DPR and LPR at all.
          1. Nick
            Nick 9 June 2014 21: 05
            +7
            Quote: w2000
            Matvienko said yesterday that as soon as Kiev stops the military operation, Russia will demand that the militias immediately lay down their arms and sit down at the negotiating table to reconcile the citizens of a united Ukraine.

            Matvienko can and will demand, if circumstances so require, wink and the militias may not listen ... request
          2. Executer
            Executer 10 June 2014 14: 03
            0
            Valya - half a glass also can not freeze this ...
        4. Corsair
          Corsair 9 June 2014 08: 55
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And from our side like this ... 8 June | Newsoboz
          Matvienko expects to resume diplomatic relations between Kiev and the Kremlin
          The Russian Federation is ready to restore diplomatic relations with Ukraine in full format, NewsOboz.org reports with reference to the “5 channel”. You yourself think what and how will happen next. I don’t know.
          Although there isn’t something about gas that our authorities shut up, it was probably a shame.


          WHAT, "Pani Matvienko","mockalska pidstilka"will say about IT?

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          1. Revolver
            Revolver 9 June 2014 09: 01
            +5
            Quote: Corsair
            reports NeshchsOboz.org with reference to Channel 5

            «5 кAnal "- the source referred to? do not make laugh my slippers.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 9 June 2014 09: 30
              0
              Quote: Nagan
              "5 channel" - the source referred to? do not make laugh my slippers.

              Well, firstly, this is a quote from Romanov's commentary, and secondly, that "5кAnal "is not the" official mouthpiece of Vlada "you can still argue ...
              At least the "fifth" broadcasts what is determined for him by the "editorial policy" of the owner, the oligarch-president ParAshenko ...
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 9 June 2014 18: 26
                +2
                Well Duc I also meant it. "5 Anal" broadcasts what the owner will order him, and the owner there is Piggy (by the way, what kind of pig is he? A hog, what a pig's snout has grown). You can also refer to Goebbels as a source of approximately the same truthful information as to "5m"
          2. Nick
            Nick 9 June 2014 21: 14
            +4
            Quote: Corsair
            WHAT, "Pani Matvienko", "Mockalska Pidstilka" will say about THIS?

            And that the chairman of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation must answer some sort of newspaper. Not by rank descend to the level of such pieces of paper.
            How is Krylov? "... Ay pug! To know she is strong that barks at an elephant ..."
        5. baltika-18
          baltika-18 9 June 2014 09: 44
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Sorry men, but the realities are different ...
          Exactly ..... In July, joint US-Britain-Ukraine exercises are planned in central Ukraine. There has not yet been any cancellation of information.
        6. dkflbvbh
          dkflbvbh 9 June 2014 23: 01
          -2
          That's it! .. Russian pid..sticheskoe government headed by your beloved Putin crap completely. The author in the article correctly described everything and dotted the "I".
          For the sake of their pockets, the east of Ukraine was handed over to be torn to pieces by Benderavets and all kinds of trash in the form of Americans and their hangers-on. Something in the discussion of this article I do not see the praised matches in honor of the God-like Vladyka Putin, that the people are beginning to see clearly?
          I’m saying that a bloody farce has been played out in the Donbas for two months now, no one is listening to me - here’s the result for you all ...
          1. def89
            def89 10 June 2014 15: 48
            +3
            Do you know what war is? Have you experienced it yourself? How to send boys to machine guns? How to look mothers in the eye when "200" bring her son? Do you "PATRIOTS" even know what a "HOT SPOT" is? Everyone is screaming forward - hurray !!
            1. dkflbvbh
              dkflbvbh 13 June 2014 02: 41
              0
              Have you taken them? I drove ...
          2. Nick
            Nick 10 June 2014 17: 53
            +1
            Quote: dkflbvbh
            I’m saying that a bloody farce has been played out in the Donbas for two months now, no one is listening to me - here’s the result for you all ...

            Calm your nerves, you are our conspiracy theorist ...
        7. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 18
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And from our side like this ... 8 June | Newsoboz
          Matvienko expects to resume diplomatic relations between Kiev and the Kremlin
          The Russian Federation is ready to restore diplomatic relations with Ukraine in full format, NewsOboz.org reports with reference to Channel 5

          And what kind of sedition is there? All the world shit comes from the USA, and Russia and the USA, you will not believe, have diplomatic relations. Maybe you should break them, so that Strelkov does not feel betrayed by "treacherous Russia"?
        8. s1н7т
          s1н7т 11 June 2014 20: 48
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The Russian Federation is ready to restore diplomatic relations with Ukraine in full format

          All this in one word - leaked. The author is right in his assessments, it seems. Who is Strelkov and a couple of hundred killed, when Gazprom is at stake. Which is the national property (the budget replenishes, however, and there - the salaries of state employees, etc., which affects the elections), and a feeding trough for many of our "bons".
          However, it was all readable. Maybe China "threw" the prices?
      3. ispaniard
        ispaniard 9 June 2014 09: 55
        +20
        The article is correctly and correctly written, BUT (there is a big and hairy BUT ...) And it consists in the fact that it (the article) is, again, correctly and correctly written. I love to eat, but I don’t like it when they poke a spoon in my mouth on which food that someone has already experienced. Egor Kholmogorov, you have given examples that already see and know everything, and then what? Troops URA!, Cheers patriotism? - Yeah, we are. that you only expect this from us, and we will really come in !!! Specifically YOU Egor Kholmogorov READY to be responsible for the consequences? The answer, I think, is obvious ... P.S. And for Putin there are more important things than ratings and loot, if you still do not understand this, I sympathize with you ...
        1. demo
          demo 9 June 2014 10: 08
          -15
          You are probably a completely blind person. How do you know what is important for Vova and what is not ?!
          Unwind the film 10-12 years ago. Read the press. Compare his statements and promises. After a couple of months, you will begin to realize who Vova is. According to the momentary market statements of a person, one cannot judge him. Especially about such a pretzel as Vova.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 9 June 2014 14: 51
            +38
            For example, I don’t remember what he promised, but I remember 1999 and in which ass the country was. If I were then called to the Maidan in the Russian Federation, I would go and fight with the same Russians as myself. It’s 2014 now and if people like you will call me now, if I fight, then against you. For 15 years, GDP has pulled the country out of such a bum that it’s even scary to remember. If for you this does not mean anything, well it means that you are not on the side of Russia, but stupidly want to realize your ego, and without getting up off the couch. For 15 years, I do not remember more than one solution to GDP, which would not be in the interests of the Russian Federation. If he does not do what we expect, then we don’t know something. An example is the stabilization fund, as everyone wanted to share it, they shouted hand out money to teachers and so on. And then the crisis struck and thanks to this fund, it did not become 1998. But even Zhirik shouted that it was necessary to divide it. Shooters and company is a small battalion in a big war, and if you need to sacrifice them for victory, then they will donate. As for the murdered girl — yesterday I was driving around the city and saw a girl who was shot to death, I also feel sorry for her, as I feel sorry for the girl from Slavyansk, but in the fate of the state victim, this is statistics. If the general cries over every killed person, he will not be able to send soldiers under fire and lose the battle and kill everyone. This is a war, there is nothing beautiful in it — it's dirt and corpses. If you are waiting for another - play computer games, peaceful people will not die there, and only bad uncles will die.
            1. Victoria 1980
              Victoria 1980 9 June 2014 18: 43
              -20
              It is interesting, but if you compare the period, for example, 1945-1965, when did the country rise from the ruins and fly into space? And compare the activity of GDP, the time of which happily coincided with the period of rising oil prices! Obviously, the colossal work of the entire Soviet people and the then authorities, of course, can not be compared with the miserable results of this GOD of GDP. Ah, what a saint! He didn’t allow further oil plunder! Loafer he is! My deep conviction!
              1. 1nik-ol
                1nik-ol 9 June 2014 20: 38
                +8
                And you girlfriend looked somewhere because of your Moscow Ring Road and raised more to talk about gas, oil, coal, please come to us in Vorkuta to work at least a month's work and not for taxes from the same gas, oil, coal. we were still five days Nazat -6. And the average salary of 20 with all the northern ones and we do not condemn GDP for its foreign policy. Regarding the oligarchs, this is a separate issue.
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                  1. fyvaprold
                    fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 57
                    +3
                    am laughing
                    Quote: Victoria 1980
                    You take it easy here, Hamlo Vorkuta.

                    Yes, really, how dare the ruler to be rude to OFFICE WORKERS ?! Batogami him !!!
                  2. Nick
                    Nick 10 June 2014 18: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: Victoria 1980
                    You take it easy here, Hamlo Vorkuta.

                    I’m not protecting Oleg. It’s not good to communicate with ladies, BUT! Your comment, Victoria, is just an example of rudeness ... and what does the territory of residence have to do with it? My life experience suggests that the farther from the Moscow Ring Road, the more decent the people. So, the workmen IMHO are no worse than the capital's stuff ...
                    1. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 10 June 2014 22: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: 1nik-ol
                      And you girlfriend looked somewhere because of your Moscow Ring Road and raised more x

                      Quote: Nick
                      I’m not protecting Oleg. It’s not good to communicate with ladies, BUT! Your comment, Victoria, is just an example of rudeness.

                      She didn’t start. Would express his opinion, why was it so rude to a woman?
                      P.S. Does a miner in Vorkuta pay 20000 rubles? Would you wonder where the money is?
              2. pazuhinm
                pazuhinm 10 June 2014 00: 21
                +4
                Oh, just not n --- those about oil prices !!! favorite song of the liberals ... Look, evaluate - then say ...
                1. Nick
                  Nick 10 June 2014 18: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: pazuhinm
                  Oh, just not n --- those about oil prices !!! favorite song of the liberals ... Look, evaluate - then say ...

                  Yes, fullness! They hear a jingle, but don’t know where it is ... For them, to analyze the purchasing power of the 25 dollar years ago and compare it with oil prices then and now, this is higher mathematics. Those who are at least a little versed in the economy, about the prices of oil and gas for a long time no longer trynd ...
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              3. pazuhinm
                pazuhinm 10 June 2014 00: 24
                +2
                http://news.yandex.ru/quotes/1006.html

                and prices, you know, just do not grow too ...
            2. basmach
              basmach 9 June 2014 20: 30
              -4
              It was not the GDP that pulled the country, but the fact that oil began to rise in price (and this is certainly not due to it), and therefore it became possible to pay off debts. And about the GDP made for Russia, I already proposed to all apologists for GDP to indicate at least one project - in economics, housing and communal services, the army, agriculture, medicine, science and education - which was crowned with success. Here are the minuses, but no one wrote an answer, because there is NOTHING to write.
              And as for the girl ... I do not like to wish evil, but for such a "smart guy" to understand the difference between statistics and a victim, I would like to wish to see your child as statistics, otherwise it will not reach you.
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 00
                +1
                Quote: basmach
                The country was pulled not by GDP, but by the fact that oil began to rise in price

                Personal merit of the GDP, there is no IMHO, but there was oil under Ben, only the oligarchs “sawed” the loot for it, and Vova planted a couple, and the loot went into the budget. With respect.
              2. def89
                def89 10 June 2014 15: 53
                +3
                I am a former military man, and watching Russia return to the world, I feel pride!
              3. Nick
                Nick 10 June 2014 19: 04
                +1
                Quote: basmach
                It was not GDP that pulled the country, but the fact that oil began to rise in price (and this is certainly not due to it

                Turned upside down. Not oil began to rise in price, but American greens, the notorious petrodollar, began to become cheaper. Feel the difference! You are our economist ...
            3. Nick
              Nick 10 June 2014 18: 06
              +2
              Quote: g1v2
              For example, I don’t remember what he promised, but I remember the 1999 year and in which ass the country was. If I were then called to the Maidan in the Russian Federation, I would go and fight with the same Russians as myself. Now 2014 and if people like you call me now, if I fight, then against you. For 15 years, GDP has pulled the country out of such a bum that it’s even scary to remember.

              To understand this, you need to be able to analyze and compare, but this requires brains. Unfortunately, many have clearly problems with this body. They learned to knock on the clave, but not yet think! Alas...
              Thanks for the smart comment. Yours faithfully...
            4. s1н7т
              s1н7т 11 June 2014 21: 12
              +2
              Quote: g1v2
              I remember 1999 and in which ass was the country

              , headless patriot! The country in the ass was from the 91st to the 93rd. The rest is the consequences of this ass! Lack of money and food is not a problem. But the lack of brains - this! And you wouldn’t go to any Maidan if you don’t give a che-thread there for free laughing
              And the phrase "even Zhirik" is finally a diagnosis! laughing
              Do you recall the promises of Putin and United Russia or do you search the web yourself?
              And his "reforms" have not yet led to anything, except to justify Serdyukov and the gigantic debt of the Oboronservis at the expense of our pocket. And education is in the priest. And medicine. And industry.
              Or is "putinoid" a state of mind? After the injection. laughing
          2. Nick
            Nick 10 June 2014 18: 02
            +1
            Quote: demo
            You are probably a completely blind person.

            You are on the site relatively recently, but you might notice that on this site it is customary to contact each other on you.
            Quote: demo
            How do you know what is important for Vova and what is not ?!

            And what do you know about this?
            Quote: demo
            Rewind the film on 10-12 years ago. Read the press. Compare his statements and promises. In a couple of months you will begin to realize who Vova is.

            Blah blah blah...
            Specifically, that is to present?
        2. saag
          saag 9 June 2014 10: 16
          +1
          Quote: ispaniard
          And for Putin there are more important things than ratings and loot,

          And what is more important dough for him to eat?
          1. soviet skytourist
            soviet skytourist 9 June 2014 20: 12
            +10
            probably the MOTHERLAND is sung by a power that slowly crawls out of that well ..... where liberals and lovers of loot drove her with the connivance of cheers-patriots in the 80s and 90s
            1. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 19
              +2
              Quote: sovetskyturist
              probably MOTHERLAND

              Bravo! With respect.
          2. AndreyS
            AndreyS 10 June 2014 12: 20
            +3
            Quote: saag
            And what is more important dough for him to eat?

            And for you, dear ?!

            I want to remind everyone who here so vehemently debates about oil prices and the distribution of money from income. You ... remember that there’s nothing to blame for the mirror if the face is crooked?
            And I also want to remind everyone, it would be nice to compare how you lived in the 1990s and how you live now! And also swear to especially zealous "distributors" that you have always and in full paid taxes (and did not take them away from paying the state). And how many bribes have you given to avoid punishment (well, at least to the traffic police). Conclusions made, you are my sinless ...? !!!!!
        3. Ace in the sleeve
          Ace in the sleeve 9 June 2014 15: 23
          -9
          And for Putin there are more important things than ratings and loot, if you still do not understand this, I sympathize with you ..


          What kind? Announce the entire list, please. If possible with examples - this is important, and this is done. If possible, without the mysterious "cunning plans" about which you know, but will not tell anyone, because the plans are terribly secret, so they are not visible at all.
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          2. soviet skytourist
            soviet skytourist 9 June 2014 20: 09
            +4
            Mr. Sofa Marshal, too, you are well-to-do, you must have lifted the power from your knees.
        4. lola
          lola 9 June 2014 18: 30
          -5
          Well listen to the semi-literate answer to your statement. We have been on our knees for over 20 years. After the Crimea, they began to get up, and after the Donbass they fell headlong into th ... but. "We don't give up ours" - ha, ha. Responsible for what consequences? for shame. Russian children are being killed there - these are the consequences. Ashamed, ashamed. GDP rating 82%? The confidence of the people today is 00%.
          1. soviet skytourist
            soviet skytourist 9 June 2014 20: 24
            +4
            but what did the evil Vova get in his hands when he became president, judge by deeds - it’s not a beat for the neighbor’s neighbor. 18 years old guys in Zhukovsky probably don’t want to send death, since they need a big war for Russia with all the consequences .In 41m strike the USSR the first blow will fight you with the whole world and again, probably, there are enough new Pavlovs and Tukhachevskys
          2. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 12
            +4
            Quote: lola
            Well listen to the semi-literate answer to your statement. We have been on our knees for over 20 years. After the Crimea, they began to get up, and after the Donbass they fell headlong into th ... but. "We don't give up ours" - ha, ha. Responsible for what consequences? for shame. Russian children are being killed there - these are the consequences. Ashamed, ashamed. GDP rating 82%? The confidence of the people today is 00%.

            The trust of the people is how? In my opinion this is the rating. I’ll tell you a joke:
            In the army, the political instructor asked the soldier what "war" was. The soldier thought for a moment and said: - "War is an attempt by the soldiers, with their teeth, to untie the knots that the politicians have tied with their tongues."
            So, while Lavrov, Churkin and Vova are trying to untie these "knots" with their tongues. And in my opinion, this is good. A war is easy to start, but difficult to stop, and no one is happy from it. IMHO. With respect.
        5. kashtak
          kashtak 10 June 2014 07: 08
          +1
          To begin with, if the peacekeeping corps does not introduce (the CIS, Russia, the Collective Security Treaty Organization), then the consequences will be many times more. Are you ready to take responsibility for such a difference? secondly, there will be peacekeeping troops (and no one will ask what do you care.) if not the CIS then NATO first to Ukraine, and then? and me FSUs. and your chewed food and your sympathy can minus but this is my opinion
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      4. mihasik
        mihasik 9 June 2014 10: 02
        0
        Well, at least fit to the border (in no case crossing it !!!) five or ten vaunted 300 complexes. And there is a reason - violation of dill in the airspace of the Russian Federation. Well, to announce that no one flies in the zone of their defeat, and this is 200 km from the border. If necessary, then for clarity, to shoot down - first a drone if possible, and not help - then a manned target.

        What's the difference!? There will be no aviation, the dill of their "Grads" will equalize.
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 9 June 2014 17: 30
        +6
        Quote: Nagan
        Well, at least fit to the border (in no case crossing it !!!) five or ten vaunted 300 complexes. And there is a reason - violation of dill in the airspace of the Russian Federation. Well, to announce that no one flies in the zone of their defeat, and this is 200 km from the border. If necessary, then for clarity, to shoot down - first a drone if possible, and not help - then a manned target.


        This is exactly what your masters need to start a full-scale war. It does not matter that the complexes will not shoot. Just another Saka will tell the strebuns that the Russians have shot down and will start ... sanctions, ktsii, direct military assistance to NATO law enforcement and everything that you can imagine.

        There is only one option that is possible in the current scenery - covert operations, which ours always lacked in spirit. It’s just necessary to destroy point-blanks, sponsors and commanders, destroy infrastructure and life support elements in Ukraine itself ... in short, make the land burn underfoot among the zapadents. And for this you need to find specially trained people who will be ready to take risks without official support from the senders.

        To be honest, a sect has never been opened for me why all the 314ndos allow themselves such things, but ours do not. Is there really no need for that?
        1. 1nik-ol
          1nik-ol 9 June 2014 20: 58
          +1
          Put + but the special forces should work for the Americans. From there, all fascism has been going on for 300 years.
      6. Altor86
        Altor86 9 June 2014 18: 44
        0
        In order to fit, you must have them.
      7. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes 9 June 2014 19: 17
        0
        You read my mind right.
      8. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 07
        0
        Shooting down targets over foreign territory is a declaration of war. And dill does not fly over the territory of Russia. With respect.
      9. 29261
        29261 10 June 2014 16: 25
        0
        Common Thought!
    2. obraztsov
      obraztsov 9 June 2014 06: 39
      +62
      I don’t know about the rest, but I already have a huge complex of guilt for betraying Yugoslavia.
      If Putin will betray the southeast with our relatives, then my respect for my country will fall below the plinth.
      God grant us to avoid betrayal.
      1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 9 June 2014 07: 19
        +8
        Quote: obraztsov
        If Putin will betray the southeast with our relatives, then my respect for my country will fall below the plinth.

        Russians always have Russia-country and Russia-Motherland - these are absolutely different concepts. Current residents of the Kremlin continue to strengthen the Russians in this belief.
        The time will come, and we will go back to the polls, and the vast majority will again vote for EP (the party of thieves) and for GDP (a supporter of the oligarchic path of development of Russia), in the holy conviction that no one else can do anything except EP and GDP.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 07: 41
          +6
          Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
          . Current residents of the Kremlin continue to strengthen the Russians in this belief.

          Judging by the comments on the site, this is not so. hi
        2. demo
          demo 9 June 2014 08: 30
          +1
          I'm sorry. Accidentally clicked a minus.
        3. Val_y
          Val_y 9 June 2014 21: 07
          0
          And what is the alternative? Yavlinsky, Limonov, other swamps ?? AND??
      2. Hort
        Hort 9 June 2014 07: 20
        +8
        and where does the country? Respect should fall to the government and the President in this case.
      3. lg41
        lg41 9 June 2014 08: 07
        +9
        Similarly betrayed Libya
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 08: 27
          +8
          Quote: lg41
          Similarly betrayed Libya

          What is the heightened sense of guilt among the Russians for world peace. Who handed over Tripoli? -Russian or something damn. The generals themselves surrendered their city almost without a fight.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 9 June 2014 09: 04
            +9
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            What is the heightened sense of guilt among the Russians for world peace. Who handed over Tripoli? -Russian or something damn. The generals themselves surrendered their city almost without a fight.

            We handed it over, Alexander, because our "Western partners" carried out a GREAT work to prepare this ...

            But the Russian leadership, for some reason, does not want adopt and apply in practice this "best practice" ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 09: 38
              +1
              Quote: Corsair
              And the leadership of Russia, for some reason, does not want to adopt and apply in practice this "advanced experience" ...

              And here traitors are not in honor hi
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 9 June 2014 09: 59
                +8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And here traitors are not in honor
                That's how I lookYanukovych, something doesn’t catch my eye ... It seems to be a traitor to the HOMELAND in Lubyanka casemates ...
        2. Orik
          Orik 9 June 2014 10: 06
          +2
          Quote: lg41
          Similarly betrayed Libya

          I think Libya is a bargain for Georgia in 2008, like the Mistral order from France.
      4. bald
        bald 9 June 2014 08: 23
        +29
        And he betrayed them long ago, is it really not clear. It is not for nothing that Madame Matvienko invites the Russians in Ukraine to surrender, to throw up their weapons - the height of meanness, cynicism and abomination! Why then did VVP incite the Russians in Dill to fight the fascists (I heard this call with my ears on TV)? And there is no need to drive a wave on mattress mats, they officially gave dill 5 billion dollars, Russia for all the years of "independence" -300 billion, also by the way, officially. And if they had not fed this reptile for more than 20 years (due to this, the standard of living was higher than ours and the prices were lower), they would have been part of Russia long ago. Conclusion: all the previous events in Dill, this is a carefully planned demonstration through the GDP of Russian billionaires of their ability to take revenge on their owners in Tanya for taking money from them in offshores in Cyprus and disdain for their loyal lackeys. After the owner from Washington was indignant and shouted, the power and money in Russia got scared. Especially about the fate of their relatives, the green ones, so they began to "drain" the Russians in Ukraine. ... The only thing we can do is ask for forgiveness from the Russians in Ukraine and Transnistria for the actions of our government. Explain that we were just as "shod" as they were. That our nouveau riches and thieves are no better than Ukropov's. And to be honest, I often get a thought - whether the same fate awaits us, the Russians. Whether our fat cats will "merge" us with mattress for their 40 pieces of silver. -Watch the programs on TV, how many regrets about the lost grandmas and how little sympathy for Donetsk and Lugansk.
        1. 225chay
          225chay 9 June 2014 08: 57
          +5
          Quote: bald
          After the owner from Washington was indignant and shouted, the power and money in Russia got scared. Especially about the fate of their relatives, the green ones, so they began to "drain" the Russians in Ukraine. ... The only thing we can do is ask for forgiveness from the Russians in Ukraine and Transnistria for the actions of our government. Explain that we were just as "shod" as they were. That our nouveau riches and thieves are no better than Ukropov's. And to be honest, I often get a thought - whether the same fate awaits us, the Russians. Whether our fat cats will "merge" us with mattresses for their 40 pieces of silver. -Watch the programs on TV, how many regrets about the lost grandmas and how little sympathy for Donetsk and Lugansk.


          They have their money more important than the fate of the people and Russia itself
        2. lola
          lola 9 June 2014 18: 49
          +7
          I totally agree. And Matvienko is processing bread. Where would she be if she did not support GDP.
        3. antikilller55
          antikilller55 9 June 2014 19: 53
          +2
          Probably I completely agree with you on that and it goes that we are next in line.
      5. bald
        bald 9 June 2014 08: 23
        +5
        And he betrayed them long ago, is it really not clear. It is not for nothing that Madame Matvienko invites the Russians in Ukraine to surrender, to throw up their weapons - the height of meanness, cynicism and abomination! Why then did VVP incite the Russians in Dill to fight the fascists (I heard this call with my ears on TV)? And there is no need to drive a wave on mattress mats, they officially gave dill 5 billion dollars, Russia for all the years of "independence" -300 billion, also by the way, officially. And if they had not fed this reptile for more than 20 years (due to this, the standard of living was higher than ours and the prices were lower), they would have been part of Russia long ago. Conclusion: all the previous events in Dill, this is a carefully planned demonstration through the GDP of Russian billionaires of their ability to take revenge on their owners in Tanya for taking money from them in offshores in Cyprus and disdain for their loyal lackeys. After the owner from Washington was indignant and shouted, the power and money in Russia got scared. Especially about the fate of their relatives, the green ones, so they began to "drain" the Russians in Ukraine. ... The only thing we can do is ask for forgiveness from the Russians in Ukraine and Transnistria for the actions of our government. Explain that we were just as "shod" as they were. That our nouveau riches and thieves are no better than Ukropov's. And to be honest, I often get a thought - whether the same fate awaits us, the Russians. Whether our fat cats will "merge" us with mattress for their 40 pieces of silver. -Watch the programs on TV, how many regrets about the lost grandmas and how little sympathy for Donetsk and Lugansk.
      6. Kite
        Kite 9 June 2014 08: 32
        +7
        Quote: obraztsov
        then my respect for my country will fall below the plinth.

        will I swear now? ............ in what ...... war ............. with ... such .......... " patriots "........... in their ranks ........ can you join? At the first ........ failure, they will crap and shit ........! With such ......... everything is not starting!
        Kholmogorov hiding behind Strelkov leaned out .......... w! .
        1. demo
          demo 9 June 2014 10: 12
          +2
          If the commander of the army today is a patriot, and tomorrow a businessman, then how to fight? And most importantly, for what? Today we are advancing! Retreat tomorrow! There is no explanation! No plan! There is a game of silence!
      7. 225chay
        225chay 9 June 2014 08: 55
        +3
        Quote: w2000
        Moreover, Matvienko said yesterday that as soon as Kiev stops the military operation, Russia will demand that the militias immediately lay down their arms and sit down at the negotiating table to reconcile the citizens of a united Ukraine. Those. Moscow does not want to take into account the independence of the DPR and LPR at all.


        Quote: obraztsov
        I already have a huge complex of guilt for betraying Yugoslavia.
        If Putin will betray the southeast with our relatives, then my respect for my country will fall below the plinth.
        God grant us to avoid betrayal.

        Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Russia-country and Russia-homeland are completely different concepts. Current residents of the Kremlin continue to strengthen the Russians in this belief.
        The time will come, and we will go back to the polls, and the vast majority will again vote for EP (the party of thieves) and for GDP (a supporter of the oligarchic path of development of Russia), in the holy conviction that no one else can do anything except EP and GDP.

        Quote: bald
        he had betrayed them a long time ago, is it really not clear. No wonder Madame Matvienko invites Russians in Ukraine to surrender and drop their weapons — the height of meanness, cynicism and abomination! Why then did the GDP in Russia incite the Russians in Ukropia to fight the fascists (I heard this call on TV with my own ears)


        Vile forces from across the ocean continue their subversive work ...
        There are no agreements with the current Kiev authorities and under any American braids!
      8. Ace in the sleeve
        Ace in the sleeve 9 June 2014 15: 32
        +6
        I don’t know about the rest, but I already have a huge complex of guilt for betraying Yugoslavia.
        If Putin will betray the southeast with our relatives, then my respect for my country will fall below the plinth.
        God grant us to avoid betrayal


        If someone still does not understand that the lives of the Russians of the Southeast were just a bargaining chip, in completely different games, then you simply do not know how to watch.

        The article was absolutely correct thought - 7 million people set up, and when, not if, but when - you betray them, before that you betrayed Yugoslavia, Libya, the Russians of the Baltic states, the Russians in Chechnya - they will no longer be your Russians, they will be or more Russian than you, or they will be ashamed that they are Russian. You will lose them, as you have lost all of Eastern Europe.

        But you have Gazprom - a national treasure. noticed an analogy with the American way of thinking - what’s good for General Motors is good for America, and what’s good for Gazprom is good for Russia. You oily
    3. Ural74
      Ural74 9 June 2014 07: 08
      +10
      The goals of the "Kremlin" are deeply at variance with the goals of the primordially Slavic peoples - this must be understood and remembered. And 80% of the rating should not be taken unambiguously!
    4. ism_ek
      ism_ek 9 June 2014 07: 51
      -6
      Quote: mig31
      I believe that Russia's assistance must be complete
      NATO in this situation will provide full assistance to Ukraine. Donbass will be razed to the ground, tens of thousands will die ...
      We will lose the war of attrition in any situation.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 9 June 2014 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: ism_ek
        We will lose the war of attrition in any situation.

        Alarmist!
        We can lose a short war (and even that is unlikely), but certainly not to exhaustion. And history has proved it more than once. A self-sufficient state with a strong rear is doomed to victory!
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 9 June 2014 09: 59
          0
          Quote: Ustas
          A self-sufficient state with a strong rear is doomed to victory!
          This is what the Soviet leaders thought when they started the Afghan war, the Japs thought so, before attacking the USA, etc.
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 9 June 2014 11: 40
            +10
            Quote: ism_ek
            This is what the Soviet leaders thought when they started the Afghan war, the Japs thought so, before attacking the USA, etc.

            And what, in Afghanistan, we lost? Do we pay indemnity? Did you give your lands? Was there a war in Afghanistan?
            And as for the Japanese, they were still burning with the desire to fight with the Merikos. Do you think the Japs were firmly convinced of their solid victory by sending kamikaze pilots to Pearl Harbor? Merikos needed the war more than the Japanese, and how the whole world shares the pie, and the United States is sitting on the edge. But did the Japanese have the same rear as the Soviet Union?
            However, thanks to including the rear, the Urals, Siberia, the Soviet Union won, despite the retreat in the early years of the war.
            PS: Before you put a minus, learn the story.
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 9 June 2014 23: 34
              0
              Quote: Ustas
              And what, in Afghanistan, we lost?

              Lost the cold war. Because of the invasion of Afghanistan, they quarreled with the Arabs, as a result, they collapsed oil prices.
              China because of Afghanistan, finally quarreled with the USSR, resumed deep. relations with the United States and provided its territory for American intelligence. Now it’s not customary to recall, but most of the weapons of the Mujahideen were produced in China.
            2. Xunta
              Xunta 10 June 2014 14: 01
              +1
              The trouble is that in the Urals, Siberia, the Volga region and other areas in 41, the factories were not evacuated out of the field ... When the machines and specialists (working engineers, even accountants) arrived at their place, at least the foundation with the communications failed and often finished workshops ... the plants were exported according to an extremely clear plan, each machine had to be loaded into a specific car at certain times by certain people! (with unloading, packaging, staffing the same thing ...)
              And this was not only a feat of the Soviet People, for this we must say thanks to Comrade Stalin and the State Planning Commission!
              Now we do not have Stalin! And you are sure that it is worth getting involved in a war so that such a person appears (or maybe not ...)
              As for Afghanistan ... The war in which our people died, in which a lot of money, resources, blood finally ended up, and which did not give anything, nor territories, nor annexations, nor concessions, and even basic peace on the border, in my opinion is lost ...
              Well, the Japanese agree agreed :)

              Learn the story;)

              PS I think you will agree that the Americans lost the war in Korea too ...
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 9 June 2014 10: 04
        +9
        Quote: ism_ek
        We will lose the war of attrition in any situation.

        Are the states ready to take the risk and get involved in a "war of attrition"?

        Hardly...
      3. Victoria 1980
        Victoria 1980 9 June 2014 20: 07
        +7
        Something even tiny Syria does not lose.
    5. sub307
      sub307 9 June 2014 08: 03
      +10
      And I think so, and my neighbor thinks so ... but our military - political leadership, apparently, thinks somehow differently. Now it will be more busy justifying its current position in front of the "general public" (as it were "to present everything more nicely") - in front of you and me, and my neighbor.
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    7. 12423 student
      12423 student 9 June 2014 08: 17
      +14
      Then the Kremlin got cold
      The Kremlin did not shy away. The Kremlin "squeezed the grandmother". War is expensive, but it is even more expensive to restore and feed Donbass. From the point of view of naked pragmatism (I do not support it), the Kremlin does not need Donbass. Crimea was needed, but Donbass was not. You ask - but people, Russians don't abandon their own? And no one needs people, save them, and then feed them. Nothing personal, just business. The budget is not rubber.
      I emphasize again, I do not support this.
      But in the Kremlin there are pragmatists and materialists. They are averse to obeying the rules of morality.
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    9. atalef
      atalef 9 June 2014 08: 19
      -7
      I do not quite understand the title, what is its brilliance?
      His comments are solid - IF IF ,,,,
      Although it all comes down to one thought --- if I knew that there would be no support from the local population - I would have unknown got into it, therefore my look is sad - I understand that in general it is doomed
      You look what happened in 2 months.
      Anyone is fighting, from Chechens and Ingush (it is unclear how they wanted to protect the Slavs - as well as they can be seen in all conflicts on all sides - if only they paid), Cossacks, volunteers from the Russian Federation and ..... miser Ukrainians .
      There is no local support, and this is not due to cowardice, everything is much simpler - there are no ideas and goals are not clear. Everyone from Donetsk to Lugansk speaks about the lack of popular support, and for Strelkov, it shows in every sentence.
      Therefore, the Kremlin decided not to climb, there is nobody to defend - the people do not want this.
      Why is silence in the whole Donbass? With the exception of places where people with machine guns entered (note local ones)? With the full connivance of the police, this is not difficult to do.
      Because the operation is called ATO, but how else? Where are the shots that were the first time on TV - people help. carries food. money - for a long time there is nothing of this.
      Your house is being bombed - why the inhabitants of Slavyansk (and especially the millionth of Donetsk) do not join the ranks of resistance in the thousands.
      The answer is much deeper.
      The local (new) government, apart from running around with machine guns, looting, protection and giving empty promises, did nothing.
      And the people were already tired - he wanted stability - but they did not give him that. Against the background of other regions of Ukraine - they began to understand. that apparently put on the wrong horse.
      Suddenly it turned out. that pravoseki neither run and cut Russian. the elections were calm. people work and get paid, and for some reason the bablagan is for them --- although it would seem that it should have been the other way around.
      This is all very well read on the forums - that of Donetsk, that of Slavyansk.
      And without the support of the people --- it turns out one big zilch-- as you can see
      Strelkov and Co. wanted one thing - repetition of Crimea and undermining not bad dividends, but the reality turned out to be much worse and they understand this (by the way, in the Kremlin the same)
      I would not call the situation a drain of the south - this is the real answer - to the real situation.
      And now the Kremlin is busy with one thing - minimizing losses. The southeast wasn’t worth it, it wasn’t not because the Russians were there or not (although Ukrainians are not the same there) - their mentality has long been far from Russia, and the new government has yielded nothing.
      I didn’t fix anything and nowhere.
      This is also thanks to the mayor of Donetsk - who is fulfilling his duties. the city is being cleaned. services are functioning, but in Slavyansk even this is not. There the Strelkov took all the power - and there are no salaries. schools do not work - people are running.
      I want to remember the classics
      “The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people.

      Will there be a sequel? Will it wake up another revolution? Maybe - but I doubt that after all she will be pro-Russian.
      1. Anper
        Anper 9 June 2014 08: 39
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        There the Strelkov took all the power - and there are no salaries

        And what does Strelkov have to do with paying salaries?
        Quote: atalef
        Suddenly it turned out. that pravoseki neither run and cut Russian. the elections were calm. people work and get paid, and for some reason the bablagan is for them --- although it would seem that it should have been the other way around.

        It’s necessary to write - the elections are rigged, people work and get pieces of salary, which are harder and harder to survive. And Donbass did not seem to expect any uneasiness from the elections. Right-wingers are now busy with the upcoming parliamentary elections - there is a lot of information on this, and they are cutting the one they tell them, not just the Russians. They have now been beaten by all the political talk shows - they show how white and fluffy they are. They legitimize people’s eyes. so to speak.
    10. atalef
      atalef 9 June 2014 08: 19
      +6
      I do not quite understand the title, what is its brilliance?
      His comments are solid - IF IF ,,,,
      Although it all comes down to one thought --- if I knew that there would be no support from the local population - I would have unknown got into it, therefore my look is sad - I understand that in general it is doomed
      You look what happened in 2 months.
      Anyone is fighting, from Chechens and Ingush (it is unclear how they wanted to protect the Slavs - as well as they can be seen in all conflicts on all sides - if only they paid), Cossacks, volunteers from the Russian Federation and ..... miser Ukrainians .
      There is no local support, and this is not due to cowardice, everything is much simpler - there are no ideas and goals are not clear. Everyone from Donetsk to Lugansk speaks about the lack of popular support, and for Strelkov, it shows in every sentence.
      Therefore, the Kremlin decided not to climb, there is nobody to defend - the people do not want this.
      Why is silence in the whole Donbass? With the exception of places where people with machine guns entered (note local ones)? With the full connivance of the police, this is not difficult to do.
      Because the operation is called ATO, but how else? Where are the shots that were the first time on TV - people help. carries food. money - for a long time there is nothing of this.
      Your house is being bombed - why the inhabitants of Slavyansk (and especially the millionth of Donetsk) do not join the ranks of resistance in the thousands.
      The answer is much deeper.
      The local (new) government, apart from running around with machine guns, looting, protection and giving empty promises, did nothing.
      And the people were already tired - he wanted stability - but they did not give him that. Against the background of other regions of Ukraine - they began to understand. that apparently put on the wrong horse.
      Suddenly it turned out. that pravoseki neither run and cut Russian. the elections were calm. people work and get paid, and for some reason the bablagan is for them --- although it would seem that it should have been the other way around.
      This is all very well read on the forums - that of Donetsk, that of Slavyansk.
      And without the support of the people --- it turns out one big zilch-- as you can see
      Strelkov and Co. wanted one thing - repetition of Crimea and undermining not bad dividends, but the reality turned out to be much worse and they understand this (by the way, in the Kremlin the same)
      I would not call the situation a drain of the south - this is the real answer - to the real situation.
      And now the Kremlin is busy with one thing - minimizing losses. The southeast wasn’t worth it, it wasn’t not because the Russians were there or not (although Ukrainians are not the same there) - their mentality has long been far from Russia, and the new government has yielded nothing.
      I didn’t fix anything and nowhere.
      This is also thanks to the mayor of Donetsk - who is fulfilling his duties. the city is being cleaned. services are functioning, but in Slavyansk even this is not. There the Strelkov took all the power - and there are no salaries. schools do not work - people are running.
      I want to remember the classics
      “The circle of these revolutionaries is narrow. They are terribly far from the people.

      Will there be a sequel? Will it wake up another revolution? Maybe - but I doubt that after all she will be pro-Russian.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 08: 28
        +11
        Quote: atalef
        There is no local support, and this is not due to cowardice, everything is much simpler - there are no ideas and goals are not clear.

        Hi Sanya! If there were no support from the locals, they would have already lost long ago. Slavyansk would have been simply taken.
        1. atalef
          atalef 9 June 2014 08: 41
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: atalef
          There is no local support, and this is not due to cowardice, everything is much simpler - there are no ideas and goals are not clear.

          Hi Sanya! If there were no support from the locals, they would have already lost long ago. Slavyansk would have been simply taken.

          Sanya, hi, well, first of all, it’s very difficult to war in buildings, especially if you don’t know how, but I’ll tell you, it was
          Would support (mass), so that would not even poke
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 9 June 2014 09: 32
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            but i will tell you it was
            Would support (mass), so that would not even poke

            So they don’t especially go anywhere, more and more around cities hang around.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 9 June 2014 11: 09
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: atalef
              but i will tell you it was
              Would support (mass), so that would not even poke

              So they don’t especially go anywhere, more and more around cities hang around.

              So, in general, they don’t have to go anywhere else. there are no Strelkovtsevs outside the city. And the people (outside the city) are somehow quiet.
              Quote: baltika-18
              And they do not strongly poke around, they hrenachat at a distance.

              They don’t know how to fight. This is clear . War in the city (today) is one of the highest skills of military art.
              Try to fight in an unfamiliar building, without UAVs, clear interaction, armored vehicles, untrained personnel - a sea of ​​civilian casualties. It’s stupid not to understand. As they say - neither shoot a pianist - he does not know how better
              Strelkovtsy - they sit in the city and do not protrude, because this is their tactical advantage, Ukrainians do not climb -tk. they are stronger outside the city. And time is on their side.
              Am I mistaken in something?
              Quote: saag
              Well, at least in the fact that he, with his small garrison, is opposed to superior enemy forces

              No wonder. Remember the Chechen one - in order to get Gelayev’s gang out of Vedino (in my opinion) - 400 people. They razed the village to the ground, surrounding it with more than 7 tons of troops.
              This is understandable - there is no way out.
              Quote: Ustas
              As I understand it, you just from there and saw everything with your own eyes

              The support of the people is when a 10t man came out, blocked the road and no tank will pass, and in today's situation no one will shoot at peaceful demonstrators. Just do not have it, and nowhere.
              Quote: Corsair
              At least by the fact that (I will use the analogy in the attempts of Commander Che to kindle the flames of NCD in a single state), he managed to create a popular movement of the ARMED RESISTANCE, which by the way the legendary Che ...

              And? Che, by the way, lasted longer.
              What about the end result?
              Quote: Anper
              And what does Strelkov have to do with paying salaries?

              simple, he is the power, they called themselves a separate state - contain the people. Or is power only running with a gun?
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 9 June 2014 10: 12
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            , it’s very difficult to war in buildings, especially if you don’t know how, but I’ll tell you it was
            Would support (mass), so that would not even poke
            But they don’t strongly poke around, hrenachat at a distance. At first they dabbled in blanks, scared that there would have been no large victims, now they are hammering with land mines, so the guys on the other side understood this support.
      2. saag
        saag 9 June 2014 08: 29
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        What is his brilliance?

        Well, at least in the fact that he, with his small garrison, is opposed to superior enemy forces
        Quote: atalef
        This is also thanks to the mayor of Donetsk - who is fulfilling his duties. the city is being cleaned. services are functioning, but in Slavyansk even this is not. T

        And it's generally funny who will clean up under street shelling
      3. Ustas
        Ustas 9 June 2014 09: 56
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And without the support of the people --- it turns out one big zilch-- as you can see

        As I understand it, you just from there and saw everything with your own eyes.
      4. Ustas
        Ustas 9 June 2014 09: 56
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And without the support of the people --- it turns out one big zilch-- as you can see

        As I understand it, you just from there and saw everything with your own eyes.
      5. Corsair
        Corsair 9 June 2014 10: 23
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        I do not quite understand the title, what is its brilliance?

        At least by the fact that (I will use the analogy in trying Commander Che to ignite the flames of NOD in a single state) he managed to create a national movement of the armed resistance, which by the way the legendary Che ...

        And about HOW and with what success the forces directly subordinate to him fight everyone heard ...
    11. 222222
      222222 9 June 2014 09: 58
      0
      An excellent answer to NV Starikov to his words of June 7 in the program "Video blog - issue No. 44" http://nstarikov.ru/blog/40874
      "the word is not a sparrow - fly out, fly out"
    12. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 9 June 2014 11: 44
      0
      Russians! Rally! Demand from Putin! For the introduction of troops in the Donbass. For the targeted destruction of Galician troops. For the unmanned zone. For humanitarian aid to Slavyansk from airplanes. For direct help to Donetsk. For the landing in Kiev and the military tribunal over the Galician fascists.
      You scold us for marvel, but the rally is less than going to the militia. You don’t even go to rallies.
      Putin himself wants to take a step. But until he sees the Russians on the streets with demands, he will listen to USU. Help him! Untie your hands!
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      2. atalef
        atalef 9 June 2014 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Iskander Khan
        You scold us for marvel, but the rally is less than going to the militia. You don’t even go to rallies

        Ie it is necessary to do everything for you. Go to rallies, fight, and then raise your economy and pay pensions.
        What a cool habit to hide behind, and then lick the cream
        Where is it yourself? At the barricades? At the demonstrations? In the militia? Is your son there or the daughter’s husband?
        Where are you in all this.
        Start with yourself before begging others
        1. Victoria 1980
          Victoria 1980 9 June 2014 20: 38
          +3
          Only you forget that this is more of ours, the Russian struggle, than the Donbass people! You forget that Ukraine has been under information pressure for 23 years, and in recent months - under information bombardment. You forget that if we Russians from Russia do not defend our interests in Ukraine, then Ukraine will be lost for us. Another 10 years will pass - and in the southeast it will not remain loyal to our state. If they lay down their arms, they will live! Thin, poor, but they will live. But we will lose !!! In the Baltics, the standard of living is much worse than ours - are they upholstering Russia's rapids ??? No, brainwashed with Russophobia! And successfully!
          Therefore, an excuse invented and promoted by the Kremlin - why residents of Ukraine themselves do not rise - is false and untenable.
    13. European
      European 9 June 2014 12: 33
      +3
      USSR would not stand on ceremony! Russia was once strong. Now this is the myth of the second power in the world! nuclear weapons are what holds everyone back. If there weren’t Russia, there wasn’t anybody and Russia doesn’t respect Russia !!! for political cowardice.
    14. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 9 June 2014 13: 53
      0
      man, of course, well done ... but something too much PR
    15. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 9 June 2014 18: 22
      -3
      So what kind of help is it from Schnick Putyatich? Kholmlgorov clearly wrote everything in the comments ...
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    17. Nahum
      Nahum 9 June 2014 20: 07
      +3
      It was just that time was playing against the junta. During this month, she showed her wolf's face and made the West think about it. A critical mass has accumulated and radical measures are coming. Russia has something to answer, and without introducing its troops. For starters - gas! It is necessary to close the ukram valve. ENOUGH TO SPONSOR PUNISHERS! Then - a no-fly zone, suppression of all enemy electronic means, delivery of light and heavy weapons, ammunition + border corridors. New Russia will not be "merged"! These are our brothers and we will help them.
      DEATH Fascism!
    18. smith7
      smith7 10 June 2014 06: 15
      0
      We are shrinking from the fact that blue chips are more valuable than the lives of Russian people. It was said by the author! Well, that's all. Lost. And so it began promising ...
    19. smith7
      smith7 10 June 2014 06: 15
      0
      We are shrinking from the fact that blue chips are more valuable than the lives of Russian people. It was said by the author! Well, that's all. Lost. And so it began promising ...
    20. chersonauto
      chersonauto 10 June 2014 08: 56
      -2
      Firstly, the fact of complicity is evident, secondly, not to militias, but to looters and terrorists, and the last of Russia is not the first to squeeze, for the last 15 years it has been doing just that, starting from Guryanov and Kashirsky highway, then Kursk, Beslan, Nord-Ost. Everyone is used to such behavior soon, they will simply isolate them as much as possible and they will change oil and gas for beads and nails because you cannot do this yourself!
    21. Rarahin
      Rarahin 10 June 2014 10: 31
      +4
      1. Family of President Vladimir Putin
      It is known that the youngest daughter Catherine lives on a permanent basis in Germany, in the city of Munich.
      In 2013, the wedding of Katerina Putin and Yoon Joon Won (Korean) took place and was held in one of the hotels in Morocco in 2013 and was grand in scope.
      The eldest - Maria lives in Holland, in the town of Worschooten, near the Hague, and lives not alone, but with 33-year-old Dutchman Jorrit Faassen.

      2. The family of Prime Minister Dmitry A. Medvedev - Medvedev is married to a Jewess Svetlana Linnik.
      Medvedev has a son - Ilya Medvedev. He is currently studying in Russia, but in a public interview said he would continue his studies at the University of Massachusetts in the USA.
      3. Family of Foreign Minister S. Lavrov - The only daughter of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Ekaterina, lives and studies in the United States. He is currently graduating from Columbia University in New York and plans to remain permanently in the United States.
      4. Family of State Duma Deputy Speaker S. Zheleznyak - Three daughters of State Duma Deputy Speaker Sergei Zheleznyak study abroad. Catherine - in an elite Swiss school, Anastasia - in London, at the university. The youngest, Lisa, currently also lives in London.
      5. The family of the State Duma vice speaker A. Zhukov - Son - Peter Zhukov studied in London.
      6. Family of State Duma Deputy Speaker Sergei Andenko - The daughter studies and lives in Germany.
      7. The family of Deputy Prime Minister D. Kozak - The eldest son of Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak - Alexei has been living abroad for at least six years and is engaged in the construction business. He is a co-owner of several foreign companies: Red, McBright and Yuna. At the same time, he works at VTB State Group. Alexei Kozak’s younger brother, Alexander, works at Credit Suisse.
      8. The family of State Duma deputy A. Remezkov from the United Russia faction, the eldest son of Remezkov, Stepan, recently graduated from Valley Forge Militia College in Pennsylvania. The son of the deputy was trained under the program for US Army officers. Styopa then entered the private Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York. The middle son of the deputy, Nikolai, has been studying in the UK at Malvern College private school since 2008. And the youngest daughter lives in Vienna, where she does gymnastics.
      9. The family of the deputy V. Fetisov - Daughter Anastasia, grew up and studied in the USA.
      10. The family of the head of Russian Railways V. Yakunin - Children and grandchildren of the head of Russian Railways Vladimir Yakunin - live in England and Switzerland.
      Продолжение следует ...
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 17
        +1
        Very entertaining. Thanks for the info. With respect.
      2. pts-m
        pts-m 10 June 2014 18: 15
        0
        Yes, the list is impressive, but if their children are patriots, then they probably practice legal intelligence. It’s a joke, but every joke has some truth. And before God they have to answer.
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 10 June 2014 18: 22
          0
          Quote: PTS-m
          Yes, the list is impressive, but if their children are patriots, then they probably practice legal intelligence. It’s a joke, but every joke has some truth. And before God they have to answer.

          I’m afraid that, as if their children were not replenishing the fifth column or a means of pressure on high-ranking parents. With respect.
    22. Rarahin
      Rarahin 10 June 2014 10: 31
      +5
      11. Family of P. Astakhov - The eldest son of the Commissioner for Children's Rights, Pavel Astakhov, Anton studied at Oxford and at the New York School of Economics. And the youngest child was born in Cannes
      13. Family of State Duma deputy from the "SR" faction E. Mizulina - The main fighter for traditional Orthodox values ​​has a son, Nikolai. At first, Nikolai studied at Oxford, received a dilom and moved to live on a permanent basis in tolerant Belgium, where same-sex marriage is allowed. Today he works in Belgium at a large international law firm Mayer Brown.
      14. N. Valuev, State Duma deputy from the United Russia faction - In the summer, his wife lives in his Spanish house, children and parents live almost on a permanent basis.
      15. The family of A. Yakunin, a deputy of the State Duma from a faction from the Communist Party - the Head of the Solnechnogorsk district, a member of the Communist Party Alexander Yakunin in his election leaflets told about his family:
      "my daughter goes to school, my wife is a successful economist, my son is a student of the Institute of Physical Education. Like, we love to get together for tea ..."
      The booklets, however, do not indicate where the Yakunin family lives. Meanwhile, in the social networks of the spouse of the official Julia called her place of residence Nice.
      Son Michael writes that he lives in Ontario. The daughter lives with her mother and indicates English as her main language.
      16. The family of A. Vorontsov, a member of the State Duma of the Communist Party - the daughter of the communist Vorontsov, Anna lives in Italy. There she moved from Germany, where she also studied. Now studying at the University of Milan.
      17... Family of Elena Rakhova, State Duma deputy from the United Russia faction - At United Russia member Elena Rakhova, who became famous for the fact that she called Leningraders who lived less than 120 days in the blockade as "non-blockadeers", her daughter lives in the United States.
      Polina Rakhova graduated from the Faculty of International Relations of St. Petersburg State University, after which she left for New York.
      18. The family of B. Gryzlov, a member of the Security Council - The daughter of the ex-speaker of the State Duma, one of the founders of the United Russia party, and now a member of the Security Council Boris Gryzlov, Yevgeny lives in Tallinn. And even recently she received Estonian citizenship.
      19. A. Fursenko's family - Former Minister of Education Andrei Fursenko, who sold the EGE system to the country, for a long time hid from the public that his children also studied abroad. Today, his son Alexander lives on a permanent basis in the United States.
      20. The family of V. Nikonov (Molotov’s grandson), the president of the Politics foundation — Son Alex is a US citizen.

      Sufficient grounds?
      1. Maximus13
        Maximus13 11 June 2014 21: 13
        0
        Kim Jong-un also studied in Switzerland and lived most of his life ... So what? )))
    23. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 10 June 2014 12: 09
      +1
      Sorry, but Russia is NOT OBLIGED to anyone, they owe it to him and how to repay the debts can be seen from the Ukrainians. With respect.
    24. dickest
      dickest 10 June 2014 12: 16
      0
      Are you ready, young man, to join the militia?
      Many such daredevils who are good only on the forums!
      Why should Russia fight with Ukraine? What do you think?
      It is the Kiev authorities who believe that there is such a nationality "Ukrainian". But in fact, this is all - the ancestors of the same Russians. And why should the Russians fight the Russians, even if they do not consider themselves as such?
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 10 June 2014 13: 15
        0
        To whom is the question? Specify.
        Quote: dickest
        But in fact, that's all - the ancestors of the same Russian.

        You probably meant "descendants". With respect.
    25. iw-lankof2011
      iw-lankof2011 10 June 2014 12: 59
      0
      Quote: mig31
      I believe that Russia's assistance must be full, in any case, we are accused and will be accused of "complicity" with the militias, so why are we shrinking!? ....

      Since when can the US be interested in the opinion of homosexuals, incestosexes, outright psychopaths and other trash. We almost write Lukashenka, our constant blood brother, as an enemy, and, with truly Kholuy enthusiasm, we listen to the opinion of some jads, nullands, pisyak and others, there is no definition for them in our Great Language, despite its richness. This is incomprehensible to me! As far as I understand, we are waiting for the proclaimed republics to be completely destroyed and then we will definitely enter where there will be no point in entering, moreover, determining what kind of -that the highest political expediency ignoring completely human.Maybe, yes, apparently we still profess the `` truth '' proclaimed by one of our military commanders: women still give birth. If you look at the box, then apart from idiots, they are unable to give birth to anyone.
    26. Xunta
      Xunta 10 June 2014 14: 36
      +3
      Only everyone has forgotten about such a moment: Well, let's say we will introduce troops, we will train the hellish group of dogs at Slavyansk, and then what? Where to stay? In Donetsk-Lugansk? But what about Odessa, Mariupol, etc ..
      Just in Odessa, 40 people were burned, and the inhabitants of Odessa cried, snot chewed and ... swallowed ... (and you (who with a sword on his horse) have at least 50 percent confidence that in Odessa the people will support Russia and Putin?) the same Kiev hates Putin's youth, they were pumped up for 20 years, that all the evil in non-stagnant Ukraine from the damned Mos.ka.lei, that the bloody Gebnya of 70 for years drank the blood of Ukrainian babies, and the main BBB is now in the Kremlin!
      But from this we can only make 1 conclusion: the worse people in Ukraine, the better Russian tanks will be perceived on the streets of Odessa (Kherson, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk ...). When they kill you, when you have nothing to eat, you stop believing in the zombie box.
      This, of course, is my personal view of the situation ...
      At the moment, it requires large-scale unspoken assistance to Strelkov and Co. weapons, ammunition, instructors, the rear is shorter, ...
      Well, tanks should be introduced when all players enter the civil war, when Ukraine shares de facto the 2-3 units, when it will be possible to clearly understand who is with us and who is against us ...
    27. Sandov
      Sandov 10 June 2014 19: 12
      0
      Quote: mig31
      I believe that Russia's assistance must be full, in any case, we are accused and will be accused of "complicity" with the militias, so why are we shrinking!? ....

      We won’t help how we live with it. Nits must be cleaned.
    28. GRAMARI111
      GRAMARI111 11 June 2014 12: 47
      0
      Anyway, all sins will be blamed on the Russians: both what was and what, for the most part, was not. And throwing your own is also not a thing
    29. grey378
      grey378 11 June 2014 12: 56
      0
      West Americans sleep and see how Russia brings its peacekeeping forces to Ukraine. Give them a reason to raise such a hi and with a clear conscience will enter Ukraine themselves, supposedly to protect Dermocracy.
  2. Denis
    Denis 9 June 2014 06: 08
    +17
    it is led by competent guys from across the ocean
    Maybe it makes sense to catch a couple of goals and present to the world?
    Then, with the help of Russia, fewer questions will be
    And it’s better to send everyone, as the USSR did and help
    1. Vlad Gore
      Vlad Gore 9 June 2014 06: 16
      +4
      Trapping and presentation is not the most important. First of all, this is the supply of weapons and the creation of volunteer units under the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Yes
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 9 June 2014 06: 26
      0
      Quote: Denis
      Maybe it makes sense to catch a couple of goals and present to the world?

      How to present something? On shoulders and talking, or impaled on sticks?
      1. mad
        mad 9 June 2014 06: 41
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        How to present something?

        something like this (18 +):
      2. Denis
        Denis 9 June 2014 06: 56
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        On shoulders and talking, or impaled on sticks?

        And it makes no difference, just to say. And that a little pokotsans fell
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 9 June 2014 06: 31
      +10
      The USSR could afford it, but can Russia ?!
    4. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 9 June 2014 06: 34
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      it is led by competent guys from across the ocean
      Maybe it makes sense to catch a couple of goals and present to the world?
      Then, with the help of Russia, fewer questions will be

      these "guys" do not appear on the battlefield, they sit in quiet air-conditioned rooms and drive others from them to "fight" for their interests. therefore, catching these "guys" is a very difficult task, feasible only by specialists.
      1. Denis
        Denis 9 June 2014 06: 52
        +3
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        catching these "guys" is a very difficult task, feasible only by specialists

        There are no questions, this is not a wax operation. But the students and followers of Pavel Sudoplatov should be!
        I do not want to believe that everything is p.r.o.sr.r.a.n.o
        There is a war, it's not just run-shoot
        1. lg41
          lg41 9 June 2014 08: 16
          +1
          Proo Proo. Gradually. For thirty years. Not every personnel officer knows anything about P. Sudoplatov.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 9 June 2014 06: 53
        +1
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        it is led by competent guys from across the ocean

        An interesting problem - "dumb mattress covers" or "competent guys"?
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 9 June 2014 08: 00
          +5
          There, besides Psaki, there are also smart guys. As elsewhere, someone should work, and someone in the office with air conditioning to sit.
        2. lg41
          lg41 9 June 2014 08: 18
          +6
          The Pentagon has both "dumb mattresses" and "competent guys".
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 9 June 2014 12: 09
            -2
            Quote: lg41
            The Pentagon has both "dumb mattresses" and "competent guys".

            This is understandable, but what is the minus for what, for "mattress makers" or for "competent guys"?
    5. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 10
      +2
      It is urgent to Unblock Slavyansk!
  3. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 9 June 2014 06: 11
    +33
    Putin, stop playing politics. It's time to act. soldier
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 9 June 2014 07: 42
      +9
      It looks like he lost long ago and betrayed ours! The vile Yeltsin policy of betraying the interests of the Russian people is being repeated, as was done in Yugoslavia. Who gave the right, at our expense, hiding behind chatter about peace, to give our natural resources at the behest of the West to outright bandits and fascists. Or the current "policy" of the Kremlin elite is the next stage in the destruction of Russia. And the hypocritical concern about preserving the integrity of the artificially created state entity called Ukraine is the height of hypocrisy and betrayal!
  4. Sergg
    Sergg 9 June 2014 06: 12
    +22
    Such people are needed in the Kremlin as Strelkov, not office plankton, as he correctly noted.
    If Russia had supported the resistance a month ago, now three areas would have been ours: Kharkov, Donetsk and Lugansk. Russia would only win. The whole West would curl like a pescany on a fishing rod, but couldn’t object to Russia.
    1. zzz
      zzz 9 June 2014 08: 21
      +10
      Quote: Sergg
      Such people are needed in the Kremlin as Strelkov, not office plankton


      Therefore, the Strelkov Kremlin does not need ...
  5. siberalt
    siberalt 9 June 2014 06: 16
    +11
    Strelkovists are already Heroes! Yes, only bury early. Hang on guys! Hell will be over soon. And further to build New Russia.
    1. tomket
      tomket 9 June 2014 06: 29
      +16
      According to Poroshenko, Hell will finish this week. And if Putin merges the South-East, then no matter how it starts with us.
      1. Denis
        Denis 9 June 2014 07: 19
        +4
        http://demotivation.me/images/20140608/b1paev4i2oel.jpg
        Quote: tomket
        According to Poroshenko

        He may have a voice, but the right to vote ...
  6. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 9 June 2014 06: 16
    +18
    Men are fighting. But I won’t speak for Slavyansk, and in Donetsk and Lugansk there are already a lot of weapons and there’s no need to sigh there that the number of volunteers is equal to the quantity of available weapons. There is still the fact of unwillingness to fight and the vast majority of Donetsk and Luganchan.
    1. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 23
      +3
      You have some kind of distorted information both on the quantity of weapons and on the desire to fight the inhabitants of Donbass. Now in the DPR and LPR, first of all, there are no competent organizers of hostilities.
  7. Agat
    Agat 9 June 2014 06: 20
    +14
    You know everything is written correctly! I would like for peace to come soon in this long-suffering country!
    But seeing some men who are fleeing to Russia with their belongings from the southeast of Ukraine, and remembering the words of one Russian citizen, "I raised my son so that he would defend his homeland, not someone else's! It's hard for me to reproach my government!
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 9 June 2014 08: 04
      +4
      "I raised my son so that he could defend his homeland, not someone else's!

      That's the way Yugoslavia was dragged away, Iraq, Libya, and then it will be said that it is better to hide in the attic when it starts in Russia. In the Southeast, the same Russians. And they have few modern weapons, they aren’t enough at all if they open old warehouses with weapons of World War II. And they need technology.
  8. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 9 June 2014 06: 21
    +14
    Quote: Sergg
    Such people are needed in the Kremlin as Strelkov, not office plankton, as he correctly noted.

    Maybe for this they do not support Strelkov? They are afraid that they will reach the Kremlin. bully
    1. tomket
      tomket 9 June 2014 06: 34
      +14
      Well, after the drain, Putin won't last a year. He will be remembered for corruption, Serdyukov, and the return of the same Crimea will be presented as unleashing a massacre in the South-East, there is no reason to doubt that such a chance will be missed in the West. Yes, and we, will we need a "Guarantor", which is guaranteed to merge the interests of Russia ???
    2. Bully
      Bully 9 June 2014 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Vlad Gore
      Quote: Sergg
      Such people are needed in the Kremlin as Strelkov, not office plankton, as he correctly noted.

      Maybe for this they do not support Strelkov? They are afraid that they will reach the Kremlin. bully

      The thought is fresh! The Kremlin, it seems, is seriously afraid of Igor Ivanovich, having seen that among the Russians he has great authority. In fact, this is a new leader - a competent, honest and most importantly patriot!
  9. papont64
    papont64 9 June 2014 06: 25
    +14
    Mr. President of the Russian Federation, I ask you to help our brothers in Novorossia with weapons, equipment, medicines and supplies, the borders are open, God himself has commanded, there will be no better case. And you Strelkov Clever hold on !!!
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 9 June 2014 07: 00
      +14
      Quote: papont64
      Mr. President of the Russian Federation, I ask you to help our brothers in Novorossia with weapons, equipment, medicines and supplies, the borders are open, God himself has commanded, there will be no better case. And you Strelkov Clever hold on !!!

      He does not read this site.
      Write to SPORTLOTO.
    2. drop
      drop 9 June 2014 08: 11
      +3
      Allow volunteers to go there too. They want to destroy fascism.
  10. tomket
    tomket 9 June 2014 06: 26
    +22
    I remember there were comments about tacit help. Now there will be comments about the fact that you cannot fire the office. All this is fiction. In general, most likely there will be a turn towards denigrating the militia. In the middle of last week, there was already an idea to equate the militias in the gang from Wedding in the Robin. And yesterday in the evening news release on RenTV (filling in the advertising gaps by clicking channels) I came across an interesting report about how some specialist from Vympel commented on the air raid. I drew attention to the fact that the journalist often says "supposedly an air raid", "shelling from the ground", "a mine has arrived", "not a cluster bomb", and then the host's indignation about the requests of the militia for help was drawn. They say how dare they ask for something, because with such requests they put our country in a difficult situation. Well, the video selection was appropriate, the same Babai was presented as a thug waving a knife. Then I wondered if this was the beginning of the spread of our media in denigration ???
    1. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 30
      +1
      RenTV has been pro-American for many years.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 9 June 2014 09: 30
      +2
      Quote: tomket
      Then later I wondered if this was the beginning of the reversal of our media in blackening ???

      our media can never be trusted! they work on a team and at any moment they will start tearing to shreds of objectionable ...
      remember the behavior of the whole press in the Chechen campaigns
    3. VSC
      VSC 9 June 2014 18: 51
      0
      And "Russia-1" pulled out Gorbachev. It's strange. And suspicious.
    4. psg72
      psg72 9 June 2014 21: 15
      0
      You do not compare Maksimovskaya with our media. She shout 5 columns.
  11. Sergg
    Sergg 9 June 2014 06: 26
    +30
    Here everyone should understand that sanctions and Western pressure on Russia will continue. Our Crimea. If the Donetsk and Lugansk republics will be ours, and in the future Kharkov will not change anything.
    We cannot escape either sanctions or a major war.

    Imagine the Donbass completely destroyed, and that ... America will stop there. Of course not!!! Then there will be a demand to return Crimea, and if not, then sanctions and war. It will be so. Then why now flirt with the West. What's so difficult to understand, dear?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 9 June 2014 07: 07
      +14
      Quote: Sergg
      Here everyone should understand that sanctions and Western pressure on Russia will continue. Our Crimea. If the Donetsk and Lugansk republics will be ours, and in the future Kharkov will not change anything.
      We cannot escape either sanctions or a major war.

      Yes about the same.
      I am writing from the very beginning.
      Said A, speak B.
      Two deaths do not happen, but one can not escape.
      Having taken off a head through hair do not cry.
      Worldly wisdom yells !!!!
      And the people got along with one thing: "We have a cunning plan, the morning is wiser than the evening, we will wait, we must consult with partners."
      Phew! It's disgusting.
    2. zzz
      zzz 9 June 2014 08: 33
      +4
      Quote: Sergg
      Imagine the Donbass completely destroyed, and that ... America will stop there. Of course not!!! Then there will be a demand to return Crimea, and if not, then sanctions and war. It will be so. Then why now flirt with the West. What's so difficult to understand, dear?


      I talked about this from the very beginning. First, Ukraine, then Russia. But there is still a chance to escape, help Strelkov with more weapons! Than then on his territory (Rostov, Belgorod, ...) to continue to meet the Bandera peace talks. Lukashenko understood everything, and therefore behaves like this. IMHO.
  12. MAIGOR
    MAIGOR 9 June 2014 06: 26
    +2
    STRELKOVA TO THE PRESIDENT !!!
    1. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 31
      +4
      And for this it is necessary to lift the blockade from Slavyansk
    2. N.Zero
      N.Zero 9 June 2014 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: MAIGOR
      STRELKOVA TO THE PRESIDENT !!!

      Kazakhstan or Ukraine?
      belay
      1. Gorinich
        Gorinich 9 June 2014 12: 50
        0
        In the presidency of New Russia
  13. ambiorix
    ambiorix 9 June 2014 06: 26
    +27
    I don't want to blame the Kremlin for anything, shout "Down with Putin!" I'll just say:
    The cowardly Kremlin "ilits" must understand one thing: if a country chooses between shame (drainage of Novorossiya) and war (sending troops or at least active assistance with equipment, weapons, money, instructors) is a shame, then in the future it will receive both shame and war.
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 9 June 2014 10: 21
      +4
      Quote: ambiorix
      The cowardly Kremlin "ilits" must understand one thing: if a country chooses between shame (drainage of Novorossiya) and war (sending troops or at least active assistance with equipment, weapons, money, instructors) is a shame, then in the future it will receive both shame and war.

      Better to die standing than to live on your knees all your life.
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    3. atalef
      atalef 9 June 2014 12: 54
      +1
      Quote: ambiorix
      The cowardly Kremlin "ilits" must understand one thing: if a country chooses between shame (drainage of Novorossiya) and war (sending troops or at least active assistance with equipment, weapons, money, instructors) is a shame, then in the future it will receive both shame and war.

      The elites are cowardly? And the people of Donbass, as I understand it, die in the thousands on the barricades
      The first cowards are you. Where are you all?
      This is your country. won’t even hooked a flag onto an avatar, but by the number of comments - it’s clear that you can’t even bring cartridges out of the claudia.
      The elites are to blame for him - and you yourself belong to which elite?
  14. figter
    figter 9 June 2014 06: 27
    +3
    The help of New Russia by the injection of weapons and materiel is half measures. A powerful massive airstrike is needed on the positions of troops, command posts and supply bases of the Ukrainian army. This will quickly lead Ukraine out of the state of war.
    1. figter
      figter 10 June 2014 01: 28
      0
      Well, and who are you, lovers of minus? Name yourself, explain. Or can you just so, quietly, in Ukrainian? Yes, it is necessary to strike at you with aviation, and more powerfully. To ass you, critters, caught fire!
  15. Death to the Nazis
    Death to the Nazis 9 June 2014 06: 27
    +13
    With assault rifles and MANPADS against howitzers and aircraft you won’t get much.
    Without military assistance, Russia will be crushed, bombed. How much more should die ???
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 9 June 2014 06: 36
      +2
      Now we need to make the border with Russia controlled. While "ownerless". And Kiev will do nothing. You can't bomb, and the Ukrainian infantry won't shine there.
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 9 June 2014 06: 51
      +6
      Quote: Death to the Nazis
      How much more should die ???

      It is necessary to make an indicative "Karachun failure" out of Mount Karachun and explain to the "humanists" from the West that this cannot and will not continue.
      The decision to send troops to permeate depending on the reaction.
  16. dedvladimir
    dedvladimir 9 June 2014 06: 28
    +9
    We must help now, then it will be too late. They want to come closer to Russia and put a knife to their throats. So think about when it’s easier to defend.
  17. terrible
    terrible 9 June 2014 06: 28
    -6
    blah blah blah. Putin leaked-save who can. kitchen spill analysts. they do not see their beak further and croak. and GDP is silent and does everything clearly. Our Crimea! We agreed with the Chinese. into underpants.
    1. sv68
      sv68 9 June 2014 07: 17
      +11
      formidable-everything is normal-grubs Slavyansk killing women and children is according to plan, is that what our government planned? Does Putin do everything clearly? What, he just threw to the mercy of fate those who literally prayed for him? This is a lesson for us, and we are -they will be bombed in a year or two because, alas, Russia got a hell of a shit, you need to give permission to send troops and hide like cowards in the bushes, they really didn’t even help, so get ready to protect your homes — the government will protect its capital and not us.
  18. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 9 June 2014 06: 29
    0
    However, as long as Strelkov holds on, while the branch bends, there is every chance of turning defeat into a deafening and delightful victory. If this does not happen - Strelkov is not guilty.

    Second Stalingrad? Everything can be. But I would like to!
    1. figter
      figter 9 June 2014 17: 17
      +1
      The meaning of Stalingrad is not in Stalingrad itself, but in creating a subsequent cauldron of encirclement for an adversary. This is hardly possible without an "external factor". And the "key" of the boiler is in Kharkov, not in Donetsk or Lugansk. Therefore, the Ukrainian junta first of all decided the issue with Kharkov, throwing a bone to it.
  19. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 9 June 2014 06: 31
    +11
    The parasha with its miliary assets abroad was actually taken hostage by the Americans. Therefore, it will ride as they tell him. And talking to him is useless, you need to talk to his masters, who understand only the language of power.
  20. Signaller
    Signaller 9 June 2014 06: 32
    +3
    Quote--If the Kremlin’s betrayal is finalized (in fact, now it’s not final only that there are still opportunities to triumphantly win back the situation to victory)
    It's just that in the Kremlin and around it there are people whose name DOES NOT. We have already seen this in different historical times. The analogy is the 40s. Stalin's time. Everyone knew that there would be a war. That's all, but no one even lifted a finger so that at least he could prepare himself, dig trenches or something else. They all looked like a mouse on a boa constrictor. Collective insanity and hypnotic syndrome. Stalin did not order, and we are no good. Step to the side-execution. Apparently the same thing now. Putin does not order, and no one moves a finger himself. Although it may not say anything, the environment thinks so. A place in this environment is expensive. They don’t jerk, without a direct decree (more expensive for themselves), and they don’t tell others.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 9 June 2014 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Signaller
      It's just that in the Kremlin and around it there are people whose name DOES NOT.


      There are not just nihilists, but frank enemies of Russia ... Although there are enough masked ones as well.
  21. fvandaku
    fvandaku 9 June 2014 06: 32
    +14
    The picture is emerging that after the Crimea we were afraid of our own SUCCESS.
  22. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 9 June 2014 06: 34
    +11
    Again, it becomes a shame for the state. The capital of great power did not last long!
  23. Same lech
    Same lech 9 June 2014 06: 34
    +35
    In response to the conciliatory actions, the KREMLIN put pressure on our hehe brothers - prostitutes in BULGARIA ... SOUTH FLOW swam to nowhere.

    In general, having felt a slack in the actions of the KREMLIN WEST with a vengeance, it will insert sticks into the wheels of RUSSIA.
    It is not worth hoping that despite the concessions of the KREMLIN WEST it will change its position .... it will only get worse.

    And to Strelkov, my respect and great respect as a REAL RUSSIAN OFFICER ...
    in desperate conditions, he with a handful of brave fighters resists the pressure of a army of thousands of ukrov and Western mercenaries ..... such officers worth their weight in gold still need to be searched.
  24. nablydatel
    nablydatel 9 June 2014 06: 35
    +21
    if DNR LNR ceases to exist then this will affect the rating primarily on GDP and will not raise anything. I took the Crimea, go on do not stop. and then the Ukrainians will climb to Russia, and we will be afraid of American sanctions and wait for something. And they will destroy the Russians.
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 9 June 2014 07: 01
      +12
      Quote: nablydatel
      if DNR LC ceases to exist then this will affect the rating primarily on GDP

      Excuse me, what the hell is the "rating"? Do you think the dill will calm down after the suppression of the East? The creators will not let them rest, they were not created for that!
      The junta will immediately begin a campaign in the Crimea. We will no longer get out of the war. Or will we start surrendering the Crimea?
      1. saag
        saag 9 June 2014 08: 02
        +2
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        Or start to hand over the Crimea?

        Historically, Crimea was surrendered in wars, so I wonder what will be more expensive than Crimea or gas?
      2. VSC
        VSC 9 June 2014 18: 44
        -1
        "Will we start handing over the Crimea?" Yes, easily!
  25. aleks700
    aleks700 9 June 2014 06: 38
    +13
    The situation of the inhabitants of Slavyansk, and indeed of the entire Donbass, is now defined by the words "bestial betrayal." They were promised that their sacrifice and their feat were needed in order for help to come from Russia.
    It was promised! Yes, without permission from March 1 to send troops to Ukraine, there was no Donbass confrontation. Yes, the Nazis would come to power there too. They will come over the mountains of corpses. And do not shout about the cunning plan. All over the world, what Russia is doing (and for all foreigners, Russia and Russians is the same thing) is called betrayal. No matter what they justify, no matter how lofty goals, the salvation of Russia, or whatever else - this is TRIED. And the blood of those killed there is not only in the hands of the junta, but also in the hands of our, fearsome rulers. About the Russian guys who could be killed in this war. Military service involves some risk to life. Contract soldiers are sent to war. If someone went to the army for a high salary in FIG such warriors. I know that high salaries are not long ago. So earlier and fewer were afraid to go to war.
  26. Yarik
    Yarik 9 June 2014 06: 39
    +1
    There is still the fact of unwillingness to fight and the vast majority of Donetsk and Luganchan.

    What, each hut has its own toys? Each n.p. on his own was going to fight with the Ukrainian army? So far, Slavyansk ...
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 9 June 2014 07: 11
      +2
      There is a regular army to fight. Partisan detachments could be expected from residents. Which they do and even exceed. Almost the entire mass of men is practically not trained and does not know which side to approach the machine. Here is the result of the slope from the army.
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 9 June 2014 10: 27
      0
      Quote: Yarik
      There is still the fact of unwillingness to fight and the vast majority of Donetsk and Luganchan.

      And the same question for you, you just from there and know exactly what you are saying?
  27. Ogorod007
    Ogorod007 9 June 2014 06: 39
    +11
    Russia is ruled by cowards. First, everyone who is in power is very very rich, if not they are very rich than their wives and relatives. Therefore, in their understanding, why risk their business for the sake of some Russians in Ukraine Only they cannot understand that the Russian people are not People understand how the Kremlin systematically betrays the Russian people People understand, unlike their surroundings. Putin that the US will be sanctions against us they needed a reason and they found it and they can’t stop at all. Mr. Nuland in Odessa, military experts in Kiev Cheney in Bulgaria closes the gas issue and our government bent over with cancer and says we won’t do it anymore, only sanctions are not needed. As Yugoslavia has always been betrayed lately, now it’s the turn in Ukraine. I think if Putin will surrender the south of Ukraine, then our people need to think about whether we need such a presenter in 2018. Maybe we need another leader. Here we have this Yanukovych sitting, that we can’t take a couple of billion from him. and send to the militias. It's a shame for our country and for our position when closing
    1. Commissar of the NKVD
      Commissar of the NKVD 9 June 2014 07: 00
      0
      Quote: Ogorod007
      that you can’t take a couple of billion from him and send to the militias

      How do you propose to do this? In a Xerox box? The militia does not have its own banks!
      1. 225chay
        225chay 9 June 2014 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: NKVD Commissioner
        How do you propose to do this? In a Xerox box? The militia does not have its own banks!


        Were you born in a greenhouse or where? What are the problems with this? The border is full of holes and the border guards also "want to eat" ...
      2. Ogorod007
        Ogorod007 9 June 2014 17: 03
        0
        Commissar, you are an adult. Remember how the Americans brought dollars to the Maidan. If cargoes reach with food and water then grandmas are not a problem
    2. Deadmen
      Deadmen 9 June 2014 07: 11
      +3
      ... cowards also rule Russia ...

      Is that the Crimea freed?
      1. Deadmen
        Deadmen 9 June 2014 07: 22
        +2
        and for what minus that. How is Crimea the main thing - so are the heroes, but how are the South-East so cowards?
    3. w2000
      w2000 9 June 2014 08: 53
      +4
      Yes, we never needed such a leader. This is a receiver appointed by the Yeltsin family and the oligarchs, working as a manager in their interests. I am amazed at the people who voted for him at least once, although in the last election they won him through fraud, just like Yeltsin in 1996.
  28. Sultan
    Sultan 9 June 2014 06: 45
    +5
    It looks like an element of information warfare (I'm about Comrade Strelkova). Probably right now, after a 150-kilometer gap in the border with New Russia, there is the very help and the same green men without chevrons ... In any case, I hope so.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 9 June 2014 07: 19
      +3
      The border was ordered to close.
      1. smart Fox
        smart Fox 9 June 2014 07: 38
        0
        For whom to close? Do not close, but strengthen control or do you need terrorist attacks in the border areas?
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        2. w2000
          w2000 9 June 2014 08: 56
          +3
          Close precisely from volunteers from Russia. So Putin agreed with Poroshenko in France.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 9 June 2014 19: 15
            0
            Quote: w2000
            So Putin agreed with Poroshenko in France.

            And who were you made-up for? Under Hollande or Merkel? As far as I remember, only the two of them stood side by side during the conversation.
      2. old man
        old man 9 June 2014 08: 53
        +1
        the border was closed to Natsik. For ordinary citizens, everything is openly welcome to visit. Women and children are being equipped with refugee camps. Isn't that help. In open corridors, assistance is being provided to the republics.
        What a howl bloggers raised as provocateurs, working for dill. Everything is taking its course, at the moment a respite is planned with the withdrawal of dill troops from the republics. We are waiting and do not whine comrades !!
    2. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 42
      +1
      From the border to Slavyansk 5 hours drive, if very leisurely
    3. Ustas
      Ustas 9 June 2014 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: Sultan
      through the 150-kilometer gap in the border with Novorossia there is the very help and the very green men without chevrons ... In any case, I hope so.

      There are enough people there, they need heavy equipment, tanks, howitzers, attack aircraft, Pantsyr-S air defense missile systems, etc.
  29. demotivator
    demotivator 9 June 2014 06: 47
    +15
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Although there isn’t something about gas that our authorities shut up, it was probably a shame.

    And the gas is not very much. And the Bulgarians added fuel to the fire by suspending work on the South Stream project until the comments of the European Commission were removed. Perhaps this is the most asymmetrical response of the European Union to the Ukrainian crisis. And at the same time, the European bureaucrats are not at all embarrassed that by doing so they twist their own eggs. It seems to me that the right moment has come to suspend gas supplies to Europe now and say - if we finish building South Stream, then there will be gas. Until then, be patient. The winters are warm now. Russia has no financial ability to supply gas to Ukraine for free. If Europe folds and pays off Ukrainian debts - please, you can pump gas through Ukraine. In the meantime - no, no way ...
    And then the construction of the South Stream becomes the most important problem not for Russia, but for Europe itself.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 9 June 2014 06: 57
      +2
      Brothers Bulgarians, actually felt the hand of the US State Department .... EUROPE is less interested in this.
    2. Beccer
      Beccer 9 June 2014 07: 17
      +11
      I would not apply the word "brothers" to the Bulgarians, these are TV and RA and venal and it seems to me .... the first of the Slavs. For several decades, they constantly "walk the wedding on the other side" No.
      1. old man
        old man 9 June 2014 08: 55
        +2
        Yes, bros repeatedly set us up, that's for sure.
      2. w2000
        w2000 9 June 2014 08: 59
        +3
        And in the first and second world wars they fought against us. They paid evil for good (liberation from the Turkish yoke).
    3. w2000
      w2000 9 June 2014 08: 58
      0
      And then Russia will default in a month, because only due to gas deductions from the oligarchs to the budget all of Russia lives.
  30. Beloborodov
    Beloborodov 9 June 2014 06: 48
    0
    There is land. Our. We are fighting for it.
  31. urii
    urii 9 June 2014 06: 52
    +8
    anyone has a video. Strelkov spoke this upanic speech. He said such a thing? The war is on and I think you need to believe the video in the internet. And not to that. That the author wrote. I can also think up and give Strelkov speech for a reason. . that we stand. who to believe? in a panic. then do not rush. otherwise you can already see some Bandera trolls rejoice. and set on fire. Che does not help Russia? with a grin.
    1. KOH
      KOH 9 June 2014 07: 00
      +2
      Yes, here, too, some doubts take me ...
    2. obraztsov
      obraztsov 9 June 2014 07: 02
      +7
      Strelkov leads the defense, so trust him.
      And his speech is quite adequate to the circumstances. Actually, as always. For this, special thanks to him.
    3. smart Fox
      smart Fox 9 June 2014 07: 48
      +5
      Very interesting! For spontaneous speech, everything is too calibrated and clear, it feels like a person has been preparing these theses for a week. Then who fought? Each time it says that Russia does not help, that there is no help, that Russia abandoned them.
      What for?
      If she wants to arouse a feeling of guilt among the readers of these statements, it’s clear that Russia did not intervene, it’s to blame, Russia intervened - it is again to blame.
      If you want to show that there are no Russian soldiers there and some residents are fighting, what for asking for help from Russia And what about those volunteers from Russia who are fighting there?
      In the Kremlin are cowards frightened by Western sanctions - the main leitmotif, again, for what? To lower Putin's ratings? And why do we need these ratings?
  32. Commissar of the NKVD
    Commissar of the NKVD 9 June 2014 06: 58
    -7
    The general is always few soldiers. Remember how Zhukov directly refused to go on the offensive if he did not have 3-4 times superiority. In order to receive a replenishment, Soviet military leaders often inflated the percentage of losses.
    By the way, for some reason this message is not available on "Russian Spring" ...
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 9 June 2014 07: 22
      +3
      The general is always few soldiers. Remember how Zhukov directly refused to go on the offensive if he did not have 3-4 multiple superiority.
      Only this hour Strelkova soldiers ten times less than the enemy. An analogy is appropriate with Suvorov.
      1. Commissar of the NKVD
        Commissar of the NKVD 9 June 2014 07: 33
        -2
        Quote: aleks700
        Strelkov has ten times less soldiers

        Give up. Ukroarmia is also not eternal, they are also bad now. The heat begins, the corpse stinks on the entire steppe, there is no clean water, no food ... A little more, and the infection will go. Especially when you consider that the army team are crowded in one place, and the militia is scattered in small groups throughout the Donbass. Epidemics will instantly mow the army.
        1. 1nik-ol
          1nik-ol 9 June 2014 21: 38
          0
          The epidemic is transmitted through the air and it doesn’t matter to a lot of people together, or are they dispersed, is there more medicine than the main ones?
          1. Commissar of the NKVD
            Commissar of the NKVD 9 June 2014 23: 02
            0
            Quote: 1nik-ol
            Epidemic is transmitted by air

            I'm talking about intestinal infections. The airborne season has passed.
    2. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 45
      +3
      Suvorov did not lose a single battle. He won all victories, being in the minority before the enemy.
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 21: 46
        0
        That's right, and I respect Strelkova respect beats posuvorovsky but help is needed in the heart of fascism in the United States and it is interesting that the Russians from the states post cool
        , and what a job on the spot, eating McDonald's!
    3. jo_lik
      jo_lik 9 June 2014 09: 45
      0
      also noticed that it was not on "Russian Spring", although they were the first to write information from Strelkov.
    4. 1nik-ol
      1nik-ol 9 June 2014 21: 31
      -1
      you stood right next to Zhukov and considered how much he overstated. He won and you are a Troll
  33. KC4E
    KC4E 9 June 2014 06: 58
    0
    Quote: mig31
    in any case, we are accused and will be accused of "aiding" the militia, so why are we shrinking!? ....

    hi Earlier I wrote something like this, I agree. But here's a plus. I also wrote earlier that the Kremlin was scared of NATO, so they minded me. How officials will compete with the West, because they have children there, other relatives, money abroad on their accounts (about all I say)? Putin is delaying the world, it's good, temporarily. And later, this "delay" will result in several times bigger problems on the territory of the Russian Federation.
  34. terrible
    terrible 9 June 2014 06: 59
    +5
    Well stupid! Yes parashka sleeps and sees that the troops will introduce GDP. then q, no need to give lies. gas pipelines to Europe will cut that the United States and necessary. Amer’s counterpart to Ukraine will be immediately introduced. Or Polish. Which is the same.
    1. sv68
      sv68 9 June 2014 07: 24
      +2
      terrible-one you are sharp-yes smart-you think the bucket of loot will return horseradish like firewood, we have already shown our cowardice by skulking about discounts and giving constantly new deferrals. RUSSIA AND SO WILL ATTEND IT BEFORE BECAUSE WE SAID THE POWER Beyond AND IT MEANS IT IS POSSIBLE TO EASYLY KEEP FEETS ABOUT US AND WE SILENT AS HAVE SILENT BY THE MATTER NOT THE WORD-AGAINST CRIMES CREATING IN SLAVYANSK
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 21: 51
        +1
        DO NOT SPEAK FOR YOURSELF WE
    2. smart Fox
      smart Fox 9 June 2014 07: 51
      +1
      I agree, Ukraine is an excuse to quarrel everyone.
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 21: 55
        +1
        And you don’t quarrel, comrades, you have to be friends or you forgot who the enemy is No. 1
    3. aleks700
      aleks700 9 June 2014 08: 25
      0
      Then we don’t have to pay debts either.
  35. sgazeev
    sgazeev 9 June 2014 07: 00
    +8
    By the end of 2005, the Russian gas monopoly Gazprom began to shape Russia's policy towards the CIS states (and the post-Soviet states in general). The prices for supplied natural gas have become an effective instrument of encouraging and punishing the CIS states, depending on their policy towards Russia. This is where the "dog" is buried. After Russia switched to market prices for gas supplied to its partners in the CIS, the Commonwealth lost one of the unifying factors - low prices for gas and oil. At the same time, throughout 2006, the Russian leadership made efforts to form on the basis of the CIS a kind of union of states connected by a system of oil and gas pipelines and recognizing the leading and key role of Russia as a monopoly supplier of energy resources to Europe from the entire post-Soviet space. Neighboring states in this structure should play the role of either suppliers of their gas to Russian pipelines (Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan), or transit countries (Ukraine, Belarus). The pledge of the energy union was to be the sale or exchange of energy and energy transport assets. Thus, an agreement was reached with Turkmenistan on the export of its gas through Gazprom. In Uzbekistan, Russian companies are developing local energy deposits. In Armenia, Gazprom acquired the ownership of the main gas pipeline from Iran. An agreement was reached with Moldova that Moldovgaz, 50% of which belongs to Gazprom, will carry out an additional issue of shares, which Moldova will pay by contributing gas distribution networks to the company, and Gazprom - cash. An agreement was reached on the acquisition of the Kyrgyzgaz enterprise by the Russian side in 2013. Gazprom rules the show, gas is more expensive than human lives. fool
    1. 1nik-ol
      1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 04
      0
      And you give a couple of trillions the budget of the Armed Forces, besides internal problems, THE FLOWS DO NOT WORRY YOU IN THE TERRITORY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION or everything will resolve itself the main war
    2. 1nik-ol
      1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 08
      -1
      By the way, gas is much cheaper than oil or you did not know
  36. Deadmen
    Deadmen 9 June 2014 07: 01
    +11
    I didn’t like the article. What kind of plum can be discussed is still ahead. What a habit, after a couple of three articles and a video, the nagging about the plum begins. No one has yet said anything ... al,
    1. Hort
      Hort 9 June 2014 07: 26
      +3
      let's see ...
      Now, in theory, you can drive equipment and assistance under the flags of the DPR and LPR through militia-controlled sections of the border, and you can even use the old T-62 and T-55 from conservation, of which we are a dime a dozen, in order to avoid accusations that Russia supplies weapons separatists (There have already been attempts by ukrov to accuse us of presenting that ml, the separatists are AK-100, who are not in Ukraine).
      Or even without heavy equipment, you can only use the captured border posts as a corridor for volunteers and security.
      Will they take advantage of this situation in the Kremlin?
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 28
        0
        And you Suvorov, of course we won’t win in the global war, but in a protracted local war, or do you want to say that in 4 years we reached the border of the 70s?
        Not to mention quality. You look into the keyhole without noticing all the doors behind your backs.
        1. Hort
          Hort 10 June 2014 07: 28
          0
          it’s very difficult to understand your stream of thoughts.
    2. urii
      urii 9 June 2014 07: 34
      +1
      and for the Nazis. the glove after such articles was gloating. for them, they started to blame WFP. this is a plus. the more panic the better. we don’t physically help there. even though our guys have to say a kind word, we should not panic. the internet is also a war
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 36
        0
        Natsyki are in Washington and in Ukraine cattle who just have to earn the recognition of their owners, and then a few.
    3. 1nik-ol
      1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 11
      0
      They are from the shirt of
  37. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 9 June 2014 07: 10
    +3
    Hence the strange and shameful picture that we have been witnessing over the past month - indistinct hums, contradictory gestures and attempts at ideological self-justification through the creation of myths about the "cunning multi-walk". The multimode was in April and Slavyansk was part of it. In May, the multi-walker was gone, and even more so in June.


    To be honest, the beginning of the deterioration of the situation and the bombing of the cities of the South-East with hail and aviation, the Kremlin leadership slept. And now the myth about some intricate "multi-move" of the Kremlin will simply dissipate. Direct military assistance needed, enough! it is necessary to drive equipment with ammunition to Ukraine. The borders are already open for this. Act the Kremlin. Your turn.
  38. sgazeev
    sgazeev 9 June 2014 07: 10
    +3
    The Pentagon sends military consultants to Ukraine.
    Pentagon spokesman Eileen Lines said that a decision was made in Washington to send a group of military advisers to Ukraine to assess and develop programs for practical cooperation between the armed forces of Ukraine and the United States, Ukrinform reports.

    "A group of US military advisers will soon travel to Ukraine to assess medium and long-term needs for military reforms," ​​the Pentagon spokeswoman said.

    According to Lines, the assessment is the first step that will help "shape and launch a robust program as part of the US effort to support Ukrainian troops through training, education, and aid." And where are our Eternal Pen advisers from the UAC.
  39. Lyton
    Lyton 9 June 2014 07: 11
    0
    It is incomprehensible really what they think there in this Kremlin or were really scared for their money, the Americans won out in Kiev openly and they don’t think they are right for me, and the Ukrop military, like trained dogs, fulfills all their wishes.
  40. Dave36
    Dave36 9 June 2014 07: 11
    0
    The bad thing is that in fact almost the whole European world says the following, we hate you, you are Asians and barbarians .... but you have gas, oil ... otherwise you would not have been seen at all ...
  41. Beccer
    Beccer 9 June 2014 07: 13
    +12
    Excuse me, of course, but stop throwing stones at Russia. Ukraine itself has chosen its own path, I do not believe that of those who are now fighting with arms in their hands on the side of the rebels did not vote for the independent when they decided to live separately, or this happened with their tacit consent. Now yes .... they have seen, well, so fight, understand, help. But delivering under attack 145 million is also, excuse me, to HER business. It is not yet known how the division will take place, in case of victory of the militias, there are a lot of examples. And about the fact that the spring is being compressed ...... believe me, there is still room to be compressed, the war is both political and at the level of hostilities with ...... I can’t find the actual word, it’s not to go to a nearby collective farm to a disco. Here you need to measure seven times ..... hi
    1. asar
      asar 9 June 2014 07: 37
      +6
      Beccer! You PLUS! For a sober judgment and vision of the situation!
    2. Agat
      Agat 9 June 2014 08: 04
      +5
      Excuse me, of course, but stop throwing stones at Russia.
      I think so too! That after this article you were all agitated against your government and your Motherland! People run to us, protection is only from us, and at the same time the refugees say "We are not for the Reds and not for the Whites, we are ordinary inhabitants" (perhaps we are still Red).
      1. Anper
        Anper 9 June 2014 09: 04
        +6
        Quote: Agat
        I think so too!

        With memory. Notice, in our Ukraine this also began - what difference does it make to shake the situation in the country because Yanukovych is a court who has not signed the Association with the EU, or Putin is a traitor who does not help the South-East. The main thing is discontent of the people. Take people out of online on Triumfalnaya Square, hand it over to skilled and experienced people - in half a year, you look, paving stones on Red Square will begin to be picked up, not dressed in embroidered shirts, but in quilted jackets with St. George ribbons. And then, just like the maydauns, they will pop and absolutely sincerely assert that they were not for money, but for an idea, and there it was.
        Petya complained to Warsaw Obama that the Russian patriotically inclined Internet was preventing him from cracking down on Novorossia. Obama had definitely taken action - the virus of discontent with the Russian government had activated. ) there are continuous, inconspicuous, systematic information attacks. In various forms.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 June 2014 10: 45
          +7
          Quote: Anper
          Obama definitely took action - the virus of discontent with the Russian government activated. He picked up an army of well-trained people on the eavesdropping - therefore, from June 3, on our site (and not only on it) there have been continuous, inconspicuous, systematic information attacks. In various forms.

          Plus and plus ...
          All-polymer workers divorced like dirt ... Spiritual dirt ... Sometimes you don’t want to go to the site either - every second comment is alarmist, as I posted yesterday, in the spirit of the end of June 1941.
          1. Anper
            Anper 9 June 2014 11: 20
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Plus and plus ...

            In connection with the known to you winked the current situation I prefer to speak neutrally and only put the pluses.
            crying By the way, to the situation known to you - two days with the help of a person whose profession ends (only I remember) with "... virtual content", they tried to figure it out. With programs, statistical calculations and illustrative examples. Yesterday, right here we even held a practical experiment. It turned out belay that everything is even a little worse. than it seemed.
            therefore sometimes you don’t want to go to the site
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 9 June 2014 11: 25
              +5
              Quote: Anper
              It turned out that everything was even a little worse. than it seemed.

              Break through ...
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 9 June 2014 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Anper
          Obama has definitely taken action - the virus of discontent with the Russian government has activated. He has picked up an army of well-trained people on the eavesdropping - therefore, from June 3 on our site (and not only on it) there are continuous, inconspicuous, systematic information attacks. In various forms.

          I agree with you, + to you, over the past month that you say has become especially noticeable. I have a suspicion. That even for some eminent and venerable, someone else writes here. If you compare their comments six months ago and now. Or is it weathervanes? Where the wind is, the smoke there.
        3. psg72
          psg72 9 June 2014 21: 47
          +1
          I also noticed the provocateurs intensified.
    3. elenanikolaevna
      elenanikolaevna 9 June 2014 09: 10
      0
      ,, They were promised that their sacrifice and their feat were needed in order for help from Russia to come. Strelkov personally promised, including, but it’s hard to blame him - he promised because he was sure, the quote-claudia stuck, he didn’t put either a question or a bracket, .. -That's where the question arises, but if they didn’t promise, then he and his comrades wouldn’t rise up, and Bandera would be suitable. So, as the boys got into a fight, they got ..., and the chieftain screams as an elder, help me out, otherwise my dratts don’t want to. objectively, but subjectively I am on their side.
    4. w2000
      w2000 9 June 2014 09: 13
      0
      Here, after all, what’s the matter, Strelkov is a Russian citizen, he arrived with his detachment from the Crimea and, in fact, began military operations: the seizure of city administrations, police departments of the SBU, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, etc. If he did not, there would be no war. He naturally counted on the help of Russia, since he saw such help in Crimea with his own eyes. And now realizing that he had miscalculated, he, as a man of honor, was remorseful that his people and civilians were dying in vain, and partly he was to blame.
      1. Grandfather Victor
        Grandfather Victor 9 June 2014 12: 50
        -2
        Is it really not clear that this is preparation for a war against Russia? Passed Novorossia, surrendered and Russia.
      2. denis02135
        denis02135 10 June 2014 01: 05
        -3
        It’s not partly his fault, but completely, maybe he’s a good tactician, but he’s not a strategist, if the locals don’t want to fight, then you won’t be able to win the guerrilla war. And the Ukrainians will not block the city and the locals themselves will leave, and the visitor will stay to die, just for that, if they go out with battles and losses. But Strelkoa will be put on the wanted list and Putin will hand him over.
        1. figter
          figter 10 June 2014 01: 44
          0
          Nonsense! To block the city and wait for the Ukrainian army would mean signing their own helplessness, and decisive action is required of them. They will not succeed in completely blocking the city of UA with their forces; there are even solutions now. Therefore, the assault will be. They will have nothing left to do. But even during the assault, UA will not be able to block the entire perimeter, so the militia will have a way to retreat and exit. A whole network of settlements will allow Strelkov to maneuver when leaving. It’s only in your army p .. and in such cases they can’t find a way out!
          1. denis02135
            denis02135 10 June 2014 20: 42
            +1
            And where are they in a hurry, they will organize a corridor, let everyone out and then they will be hollowing along the outskirts for a couple of days, then they will start letting out again, hollowing closer to the center, letting go and so on until civilians leave and what should Strelkova do without people. Leave or continue the fight. And then, as with Bin Laden, they will give 100-500 thousand and find your Brutus. I think that the longer it lasts, the less people (people's fatigue from this horror) will support Strelkova. Time works (IMHO) against him. If it would be like in Crimea with the support of Russia, then Strelkov might have had an option.
            Quote: figter
            UA will not be able to block the entire perimeter, so the militia will have a way to retreat and exit.

            Retreat where and what to do after retreat. Or maybe UA needs it so that he backs off, then propaganda will develop it.
    5. vignat21
      vignat21 9 June 2014 20: 11
      0
      Most of those who had weapons in their hands in 1991 did not yet have the right to vote, this time, and two referendums on the co-ownership of ukrii in 1991 were a complete bluff.
  42. sgazeev
    sgazeev 9 June 2014 07: 16
    +5
    Matvienko: Russia will call on Donbass to lay down its arms after the withdrawal of Kiev troops. So we will engage in verbiage in a warm chair. fool
    1. smart Fox
      smart Fox 9 June 2014 07: 53
      -4
      Are you at the forefront? Under the Slavic? soldier
    2. Orik
      Orik 9 June 2014 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: sgazeev
      Matvienko: Russia will call on Donbass to lay down its arms after the withdrawal of Kiev troops. So we will engage in verbiage in a warm chair. fool

      She has such a job! Sell ​​your verbiage, which is what you need to say, at least several times a day.
  43. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 9 June 2014 07: 17
    +8
    Quote: Ural74
    The goals of the "Kremlin" are deeply at variance with the goals of the primordially Slavic peoples - this must be understood and remembered. And 80% of the rating should not be taken unambiguously!


    It is not sad for me to say this, but Putin’s rating can also be blown away quickly, as well as pouted. We have such a people when someone speaks A, they demand that B. be told to him. Putin has the same way, but he already said, but B has problems so far. Nobody expected Slavyansk to be ironed all the same. And we are what we are. Again we look at the Southeast as Yugoslavia, we look and grieve. There is still time to rectify the situation, we are waiting for now.
    1. lg41
      lg41 9 June 2014 08: 54
      +3
      "Nobody expected that all the same, Slavyansk would begin to iron with hail" - emphasizes the lack of professionalism of those who are "Nobody". From the same chain "Nobody expected that aviation would bomb the airport in Donetsk", "Nobody expected that in Marinovka the frontier post would take a battle against a convoy of peaceful militias", "Nobody expected that the leaders of the DPR should be protected from enemies", etc. .d.
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 10 June 2014 13: 46
        +1
        Are you sure that the leaders of the DPR are not being removed?
        Are you sure that behind the beautiful picture of the struggle between "good and evil" does not hide a banal redistribution of power and the struggle for big money?
        Or a pretty enough tearful picture in the media and that’s all, really on the face?

        I am more than sure that Putin has more compelling reasons not to start a war than sanctions against Rotenberg and money for gas.
  44. Bosk
    Bosk 9 June 2014 07: 20
    +4
    But why did you get that Putin merged them ?, because according to the logic of things you have to beat so that you could blame them in one fell swoop, there’s no benefit in entering into a protracted conflict in Russia, if only because in the event of a protracted conflict, you will wake up a lot more, so you have to wait when Ukrainians lead all combat-ready units to the Southeast. And secondly, we don’t know the whole situation ... it simply doesn’t reach us.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 9 June 2014 07: 35
      +6
      according to the logic of things, it’s necessary to beat so that it would fall down in one fell swoop


      Dear, do you have a magic wand so that in one sweep the crisis ends and everyone erases the events in Odessa, Mariupol, Lugansk, Donetsk?

      I have no other choice but to see how to fight !!! But to fight not by their soldiers, but by the citizens of Ukraine, supplying them with everything they need to consolidate their success. The remaining Kremlin maneuvers will be perceived by the people as a surrender of positions and concessions to the West.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 9 June 2014 07: 52
        +1
        Yes, cut off the patient! In this case, it is too early to cut off the patient, but when people decide to cut off, operating with complete information about the "state of the body", we still have only superficial information, and in the conduct of troops this is a cardinal decision and here if you make a mistake, then the consequences can be more tragic. Personally, my opinion is that Russia will survive the third world ... maybe I will survive, but my aunt, for example, in Artyomovsk will also survive this conflict, but there is definitely no third world! The fact that the troops will be led, I have no doubt only while it is still early, though sometimes thoughts appear as if it were not too late ...
      2. alex popov
        alex popov 10 June 2014 14: 05
        0
        Are you sure that they do not help?
        What should they write about this on every pillar?
        Can you imagine the reaction of the Western media to, conditionally, Strelkov's message that he received a batch of "cornet" with ammunition from Russia? Strelkov will never write anything like that. Does this mean that they do not help him with weapons?
        I have already written more than once, I will write again. Volunteer Cossacks traveled from the Sredneuralskaya "village" to the Donetsk region. They got there and returned. In just a few days.
        Are there Sverdlovsk residents on the site? Take a trip, talk, it’s not far, Sredneuralsk, turn to Cheremshanka, the road just rests on the church on their territory. You will be extremely surprised and amazed at REALITY ...

        A tough information war is going on, and the minds of Russian citizens are under terrible pressure. Now this pressure is in the imposition of the picture "Putin has merged Novorossiya".
        He walks on all fronts, presses on the psyche, on pity, on feelings, shows bloody pictures and throws up their hands to the sky yelling: until ... they drained ... cowards ... and so on.
        And emotions obscure people's minds and people see nothing but rage and a desire to break with their own hands. but since tearing in reality and tearing from the sofa are different things, this rage begins to transform into negative energy against someone who could, but does not do it because of "cowardice" ...
        Or am I wrong, and you yourself are already practically on the way to Rostov to cross the border and in the same ranks with Strelkov to crush the fascists ??? or you "pay taxes" and the army should do it, and you morally support it from the couch?
        Or maybe you should calm down your emotions and look with a cold head?
        maybe there are other reasons why Putin since March has constantly in his speeches said that this is a war of the Ukrainians themselves and that it is the Ukrainians who need to agree among themselves? Why does he constantly, from time to time, say that Russia will not fight with Ukraine? maybe due to the fact that the DNI and the LC in Ifnoyne and in reality are two different things? Maybe because everything is a little different than they write and draw on the network?

        Think with your head and do not give in to emotions.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 9 June 2014 07: 50
      +1
      And from that they took that the fascist trash floods the South-East with blood, with the fact that our Guarantor publicly declares the main financier of the Maidan innocent of the murders of the people of South-East Ukraine. The situation does not need to be brought to us, just go to the Federal Migration Service of the Russian Federation in the border regions and everything will be clear. Yes, no protracted conflict will take place if you simply respond to the Ukrop warriors with a blow on their aviation and artillery, and then let the "world community" howl. And enough "fawn" the West, they depend on us more than we depend on them!
      1. 225chay
        225chay 9 June 2014 09: 50
        +2
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        a protracted conflict will not take place if you simply respond to the Ukrop warriors with a blow on their aviation and artillery, and then let the "world community" howl. And enough "fawning" at the West, they depend on us more than we depend on them!


        When it is necessary, Israel is storming by aircraft or hammering with artillery instantly over another unfriendly country and also introducing an army and nothing. they wanted to spit on other people's opinions! why can they and not us?
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 10 June 2014 02: 15
          0
          Because "they are children"
  45. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 9 June 2014 07: 23
    +1
    What can I say? About what? About whom? Everything has already been said: there is a "bestial betrayal" on the part of Moscow. The words are said: "Russians do not abandon their own"; the hopes given by Moscow, Putin to the South-East are betrayed. I will not "swear" neither Putin, nor the Moscow government; nor the State Duma, just at these words there is a feeling of deepest disgust. I will not talk about zasrancakh proving that there is no "drainage of the South-East"; and chanting: "everything is fine, beautiful marquise ...." I want to ask how you will treat Putin and the Russian leadership, in general; if it turns out finally, the betrayal of the South-East happened? In this case, the emotional, national uplift of the Russians will be replaced by a deep depression (and many will have a feeling of hatred both for Putin; and for the current regime of power, in general). And I began to doubt this assumption: I think that the rearl is "eating" calmly and this "bestial betrayal "-too much bestial in the souls of many of us. Maybe that Crimean Tatar is right, whose words have been quoted for a long time on several sites -" Russian-natural slaves "? Remember March-April: hurray! Give Kiev! Let the ukrofashists just try to shoot at least one shell "hail"; let them try to kill at least a dozen civilians, in two days we will razkalashmatim ukrov! What now? .... Used for a long time tanks, heavy artillery, MLRS, military aircraft; hundreds (just about: thousands) of civilians are dying- Russia "bezmols twists "(" yapping from the booth "does not count). How can you not understand: every day of delay takes the lives of many people in the Southeast, who believed in the ambulance of Russia !!! The people of Novorossia can rightly say that their hands in the blood not only of Turchinov and Poroshenko, but also of Putin. PS Conclusions similar to the last reasoning of I. Strelkov were in my "comments" more than once; but, for some reason, these issues quickly disappeared from the pages of the site. So I have to " to upset "detractors of my" comments "-often, I do not have time to read your angry insults.
    1. Moskal 55
      Moskal 55 10 June 2014 02: 27
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      hundreds (about: thousands) of peaceful people are dying -

      There are no such figures of civilian casualties even in militia reports.
      And about shame and shame - you are partially right. Only shame and shame is all of us, including you. This is the reckoning for the collapse of the USSR. It turns out that you are ashamed of someone. Must be ashamed of yourself! And, you have to wipe yourself, because an alternative to GDP is not expected in the near future, unless, of course, Russia is allowed to collapse. I do not idealize GDP, but so far there is no alternative, only different bulk ones.
      And for 23 years we have been building capitalism and integrating with the West, and suddenly we are surprised that the GDP is afraid of breaking it all.
      And it seems that ours is unfolding from the West, but this is a long process.
  46. shaitan
    shaitan 9 June 2014 07: 23
    0
    It is painful and embarrassing to read.
  47. Hort
    Hort 9 June 2014 07: 29
    0
    the reaction of the furious "zaputintsy" will be interesting, if there is still a drain ...
    1. Homo
      Homo 9 June 2014 08: 02
      -4
      Quote: hort
      the reaction of the furious "zaputintsy" will be interesting, if there is still a drain ...

      And there will be no reaction, because there will be no "drain" - after all, no one promised anything to the South-East in advance. Who started something, and when it didn't work out, Russia is to blame?
      1. military
        military 9 June 2014 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: hort
        the reaction of the furious "zaputintsy" will be interesting, if there is still a drain ...

        And there will be no reaction, because there will be no "drain" - after all, no one promised anything to the South-East in advance. Who started something, and when it didn't work out, Russia is to blame?

        that's exactly what it ("reaction") will be ...
    2. skaarjj
      skaarjj 9 June 2014 15: 25
      +4
      just as the reaction of you and others like you will be interesting if you nevertheless introduce troops ... everything has been chewed on all resources for a long time, that time is working for us, which is sad, but the introduction of troops is all that is expected of us our enemies NATO / USA, that if we bring in troops, they will not only hang on us the image of "bloody KGBists", but they will also pour all the failures of Ukraine itself on us, make us guilty for the Ukrainian default (this is not to mention the hostilities themselves) .. New Russia just needs to keep the current mode of warfare until October / December - and there Ukraine will collapse for purely socio-economic reasons. There is even an article on the resource about it - but the couch soldiers stubbornly sound the alarm, Tsolre calls them to battle ... So:
      1. No troop entry
      2. They will not agree on gas, apparently, as well as on other indicators (although Poroshenko has already said that they need to stop the ATO). So the support of Strelkov and others will be intensified - both militarily and economically.

      It’s better to keep track of the keys here, sutra until night, if the news were being tracked - here the work is going on, they have already begun to agree http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/245067-my-dolzhny-na-etoy-nedele-prekratit-
      ogon-pporoshenko.html. A normalization commission has been created ....
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 10 June 2014 02: 13
        0
        A plus.
        For a correct understanding of the situation.
        The junta for a monstrous failure in the economy has an otmaza thanks to the anti-terrorist operation against Russian terrorists. Everyone will write off this and ask for even more money in the West, which is generally good for us, Ukraine is not a straw, but a whole log that is not just a camel, will break an elephant’s back.
      2. RamRU
        RamRU 11 June 2014 05: 44
        0
        Unfortunately, agree on gas. Unfortunately Gazprom is too close to the state. A private shop would have strangled Ukraine long ago. 10 years ago.
        And today you have to put up with tomorrow, the day after tomorrow.
      3. RamRU
        RamRU 11 June 2014 06: 09
        0
        Well, that’s all right. The conditions of Russia. Stop ATO. Withdraw troops. Start negotiations with Donetsk. Recognize. Russia has not yet receded.
  48. Name
    Name 9 June 2014 07: 43
    +4
    How fast the crowd is changing! Consider that you, and I, together with you, are meaningful in big politics, IN GREAT DEVELOPMENT, admit, it is negligible. hi
  49. lord
    lord 9 June 2014 07: 43
    0
    I completely agree with Georgia how to enter Donetsk Lugansk and force the army to retreat
  50. Neophyte
    Neophyte 9 June 2014 07: 43
    +3
    The author is right! Putin hasn’t and never had a cunning plan; he’s a cunning politician himself and is waiting for the situation
    change in his favor. What is the Kremlin afraid of? ABM on the border and Ukraine’s entry into NATO! This will happen, but much earlier. In June, the resistance can be broken and everything will go according to the American
    scenario. The east of Ukraine is too complicated a party and the Kremlin loses it.
    1. lord
      lord 9 June 2014 07: 49
      0
      the Kremlin doesn’t have any influence on Europe or the United States except gas, it’s badly destroyed intelligence there is no compromising evidence on European leaders, too, it was possible to influence for 23 years, our provincials stole and put it in their pocket, and Russia doesn’t have any strength
      1. 1nik-ol
        1nik-ol 9 June 2014 23: 03
        0
        Here you are right, the computer is only on our grandmother’s, and everything from amers whom we’ve studied went to at a time and you won’t understand
    2. 1nik-ol
      1nik-ol 9 June 2014 22: 57
      0
      NEOFIT and you’re sitting right at the General Staff and the general knows you’re calling our allies call the allies who will give you loot for free which you’re used to; don’t forget around you ABM not only while in Moscow, missile defense is not built for free you need to share it with Russia or with a hat wave it off.
    3. them
      them 10 June 2014 18: 34
      +1
      This party is difficult for you. Fools would be sitting in the Kremlin; you and I would have fed lice long ago in the trenches. And so there is the opportunity to get a little ... anyway for now ...
    4. RamRU
      RamRU 11 June 2014 06: 03
      +2
      Well, you. Of course America rushing like a tank and always benefits from the stalemate itself. Only V. Putin doesn’t like to lose either. And today he plays on his own * field *.