Revolver RSh-12: "elephant fighter" from Tula

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The RSH-12 (12 mm assault caliber revolver) is one of the most weighty revolvers I've ever heard of. It was developed at the beginning of the 2000-s at the branch of the Tula KBP: the Central Design Bureau of Sports and Hunting weapons under the same cartridge 12,7х55 mm as the assault machine ASH-12.

Not so long ago, I read with great pleasure the article by Sergey Yuferev “Russian large caliber revolvers". At first, I wanted to supplement his article with a commentary in which another revolver would appear, but the comment was quite large, and so I decided to collect maximum material for a separate publication.

I can’t call this material a review, much less an article, as there is very little information on this product: I didn’t search for it - there is only one description and only a few photos everywhere. Here is the first:

Photo №1. Taken from the “Igor Korotchenko War Diary”.



Big revolver lies on the table. Nearby is a printout with the performance characteristics of the RSH-12 product. In the upper left corner of the sheet with TTX visible logo Tula KBP.


According to the description of the RSH-12, I had more questions than answers. I will try to describe in my own words the product with photo No. 1 as detailed as possible, then for comparison I will post photos No. 2 and No. 3 with my comments. And I will ask you, dear readers, to supplement my description with your observations and thoughts, and we will call this publication a survey.

From a technical point of view, the revolver complex RSH-12 is a revolver with a solid metal frame and with a reel to the left on 5 cartridges. I believe that the drum lever (tide axis) RSH-12 has two degrees of freedom.


Fastening unit drum to the frame of the revolver RSH-12.


The first degree of freedom gives the opportunity to tilt the drum of the revolver aside. This is enough to remove the cartridges or cartridges.
I think that its capabilities can be used in this way: I threw the drum aside, raised the weapon with the barrel upwards - and the sleeves spilled out of the drum themselves. The second degree of freedom makes it possible to charge the weapon in the “barrel forward” position, but the drum's chambers are directed downwards. He pivoted the drum to the left, then it should be turned away from itself in such a way that the chambers would be located vertically and then “top-down” to load the revolver with cartridges.

This solution allowed developers to combine two fundamentally different schemes for loading and extracting liners: 1) opening (“breaking”) the body of the revolver and tilting the barrel down;
2) tilting the drum to the side.

Revolver RSh-12: "elephant fighter" from Tula

Two methods for the simultaneous extraction of liners: opening the case and tilting the drum.


A trigger-type revolver with an open trigger. Like many revolvers chambered for powerful cartridges (Colt Python 6 ", Taurus Raging Bull, S&W 929, Mateba Model 6 Unica), the RSh-12 revolver has a reinforced barrel casing, which is equipped with ventilation holes. Above the barrel and under the barrel, there are rail interface systems of the Picatinny type for the installation of all kinds of scopes, flashlights, LCCs, etc.



Barrel revolver RSH-12 with ventilation holes close up. Please note: the trunk is located at the level of the lower chamber.


To ensure a small recoil shoulder and, as a result, to reduce the toss of the barrel, the RSH-12 revolver does not shoot from the upper chamber of the drum, but from the lower one. This solution was used by I. Ya. Stechkin when creating the OTs-38 revolver. From the lower chamber, shooting is carried out in such revolvers as Rhinoceros AEK-96, Chiappa Rhino 60, Chiappa Rhino 200DS, Mateba Model 6 Unica.

The drum lock button is located on the left side of the frame, above the handle and behind the drum. If this is indeed the drum lock button, then the fuse is located either on the right side (which I strongly doubt), or it is automatic (I also doubt it), or it does not exist at all (all the signs are there). Remember the design of the TT pistol: it does not have a fuse as a separate part, its functions are performed by a safety cocking of the trigger. Maybe something similar is implemented in this revolver.
And I did not notice signs of an automatic fuse ...


Button lock drum, trigger and rear sight on the revolver RSH-12 close-up. Note the serial number stamped on the frame under the drum: 100001. Whether stotychschppervy, whether the first.


Aim devices include a front sight and a rear sight. Possibly combinable: the adjustable diopter sight and the fixed sight with a V-shaped slot.

From the photo it is impossible to determine for sure the type of trigger mechanism, although I believe that it should have a double action.

It is also impossible to determine how the problem of obturation is solved.
(breakthrough of powder gases into the gap between the breech section and the front end of the drum). I doubt that the Pipera scheme was used, which has proven itself so well in the revolver of the Nagant system: the shape of the cartridges does not allow. In Colt Python, for example, before shooting a chamber is tightly worn on the barrel cone, which reduces the leakage of powder gases and contributes to an increase in shooting accuracy and bullet velocity.

The principle of loading a revolver is unknown:
- a quick-detachable drum, like a revolver “Strike” of the Klimovsky Central Research Institute for Radio and Teaching Machinery, (which is unlikely: if the drum axis has two degrees of freedom, the knot turns out to be too complicated and unreliable);
- cassettes (clips) of the type “Speed ​​Loader”, as in the revolver “Strike” of the Tula KBP;
- or in the old-fashioned way: manually, one cartridge each.

I think that the extraction of cartridges in the RSH-12 revolver occurs simultaneously: with the help of an extractor, and loading - with the help of clips.

The P-92 revolver uses just such a scheme: due to the fact that the pistol cartridges do not have a protruding lip, flat steel clips are used to speed up the loading and simplify unloading, combining all 5 cartridges into one block.


Cartridge cartridge next to the revolver P-92



Drum axis rod head in RSH-12 revolver close up


The handle of the RSH-12 plastic. Judging by the photo, she passed the test of strength. It would not hurt to make its surface grooved. At the base of the handle there are some rectangular holes. Apparently, thanks to them the butt is attached to the revolver.


Handle revolver RSH-12 close-up. Pay attention to the holes in the base of the handle. Perhaps they are inserted into the butt fasteners: more like there is no place


Judging by the inscriptions on the “price tag”, the RSH-12 revolver is completed with a set of 3 accessories:
* butt removable folding;
* removable grenade handle (most likely from ASH-12);
* tactical silencer (most likely from ASH-12).


TTH revolver RSH-12



ASH-12 assault rifle in the hands of the chief designer Viktor Zelenko. The ASH-12 is equipped with a tactical (rifle) handle. Perhaps it was this handle that was supposed to complete the assault revolver RSH-12.



ASH-12 assault rifle with a tactical silencer. Perhaps it was they who were supposed to complete the RS-12 assault revolver.


I believe that the list of accessories could be added. Would be superfluous:
* Holster.
* Belt tactical one-point.
* Removable compensator (like S&W 929).
* Bipod (it was supposed to use sniper cartridge SC-130).
* Marks (markers) on the sight and front sight (contribute to the rapid detection of targets in the daytime and in low light conditions up to complete darkness).
* Collimator.
* LZU: it is possible removable, it is possible built in the revolver handle.
* Tactical flashlight.
* Cartridge belt for clips with cartridges like this:


But the great thing about The North Mountain: Speed ​​Loader Holder



“What was it created for?” You ask. Apparently, for arming special forces, as a highly effective assault weapon for close combat, providing a high stopping effect at short distances in a confined space (storming premises, etc.), while reducing the likelihood of hitting third parties due to the rapid energy drop of a bullet with range.

For this automaton in KBP, a whole series of cartridges with different types of bullets were developed, providing high tactical flexibility when using the RSH-12 assault revolver in various conditions.

The basis of the rifle complex, which includes the large-caliber assault revolver RSH-12, is a family of special cartridges of the caliber 12,7 mm, developed in TsKIB SOO. The basis of the new cartridge is a cylindrical sleeve with a length of 55 mm from the subsonic sniper cartridge 12,7х55 СЦ-130, created in the same TsKIB SOO for the VSSK “Exhaust” silent sniper rifle. The cartridges for the assault rifle are equipped with several types of bullets: light, heavy, armor-piercing, there is also a two-gun version with a tandem arrangement of bullets.


PS-12B Cartridge mm 12,7x55 mm with armor-piercing bullet



PD-12 Automatic rifle cartridge 12,7х55 mm two-bullet



PS-12A Automatic rifle 12,7x55 mm with light bullet



PS-12 Cartridge mm 12,7x55 mm with a heavy bullet



Sleeve cartridge 12.7x55 (right) in comparison with the cartridges .499 LWR, .50 Bushmaster and 7.62x39
Photo ammunition: Ilya Kedrov, magazine "National Defense"


The ballistic characteristics of cartridges for the RSH-12 revolver have not been published, however, it became known that the light bullet has a hollow aluminum core bared in the nose, a bimetallic shell and a mass of about 7 grams.

The muzzle velocity of such a bullet obviously significantly exceeds the speed of sound, but the combination of a small bullet mass with a large caliber leads to the fact that such a bullet quickly loses speed and energy with increasing distance. Most likely, the effective firing range of such a bullet will not exceed 50-100 meters, but at short distances such a bullet will have a very high stopping effect. A heavy bullet most likely has a subsonic speed, which makes it possible to effectively use such cartridges in combination with a removable silencer to ensure the secrecy of the use of weapons.

Photo #2 (taken from “Weapons")




The photo shows a solid man holding a big revolver in his hand. In the background, another man is eyeing an ASH-12 assault rifle. In terms of dimensions, the revolver is close to the RSH-12, but with closer comparison of enlarged images, significant differences can be found.



Pay attention to some details.

* Barrel. The air vents of the barrel cover in the second photo are much larger, and their 3, not 4, as in the first photo. In the second photo, the revolver's barrel is equipped with a muzzle nozzle (DTK).

** Drum. In the first photo, the shape of the drum is rectangular, made in the form of a bar, and in the second - round, in the form of a cylinder. We decided to equip the round drum from the second photo with valleys (longitudinal grooves). As far as I understand, they serve to facilitate the construction and to more conveniently roll the drum: after all, different ammunition can be used in one drum, and there is an opportunity to choose them according to the situation.

*** PURPOSE. The second photo shows the simplest sight.

**** The trigger. On the second photo the trigger looks smaller.

Here is an additional photo of the same massive revolver from the second photo, but in a different perspective.

Photo #3



Most likely, in these photos we are witnessing the evolution of the assault revolver RSH-12.

The development team of the ASH-12 machine gun and the RSH-12 revolver consisted of the following specialists: the chief designer of the TsKIB SOO for shooting and gun armament Viktor Zelenko, V. V. Zlobin, V. V. Kazakova, A. Yu. Karetnikova, R.V. Rusanov. In 2006, the same team was awarded the title of laureate of the B.S. Prize in the field of science and technology for the development of the VKS (Exhaust) complex. Stechkina. In 2009, for the work “12,7-mm sniper complex VKS” diploma laureate award them. S.I. Mosina received: V. V. Zlobin, P. V. Akatov, V. D. Gavrishov, V. V. Kazakova, S. V. Trukhachev.


Some of the winners


TTX assault revolver RSh-12




prehistory

Usually the prehistory is located at the beginning of the article, but I decided to place it in the “basement”, since it turned out to be quite voluminous. And who is curious where the legs of RSH-12 and ASH-12 grow from and how it all began, let him read on.

It all began with the creation of a new ammunition according to the tactical and technical requirements of “Developing a 12,7-mm sniper complex with a small unmasking action” under the “Exhaust” cipher.

In 2001, the designers of the branch of OJSC “KBP” - “TsKIB SOO” started to perform this task. According to the TTZ, the complex was to consist of a sniper rifle, optical sights (day and night) and two rounds: a sniper enhanced accuracy and sniper with a high penetrating ability. Above the creation of a technical proposal for an ammunition and a sniper rifle took part: G. A. Korobov, B. A. Borzov, L. V. Bondarev, A. B. Adov, Yu. P. Platonov, V. V. Zlobin.

The Scientific and Technical Council approved two versions of the rifle design for the technical project: lead designer A. B. Adov and lead designer V. V. Zlobin.

In the further development there was a variant of V. V. Zlobin, as he proposed a more promising cartridge for the rifle, which allowed the creation of other types of small arms. Soon a rather wide range of cartridges with special-action bullets of the SC-130 series was developed.


Large-caliber sniper cartridges
SC-130 PT, SC-139 PT2, SC-130 VPS, SC-130 PU




Later, assault rifles were developed (ASH-12) and a revolver (RSH-12). For them, a proprietary nomenclature of cartridges based on the cartridge cartridge of the SC-130 was developed, including a cartridge with light, heavy, armor-piercing bullets, and a two-cartridge cartridge.

In 2011, TsKIB SOO presented the MC-558 hunting carbine, designed for the civilian version of the 12,7 × 55 caliber cartridge mm.


Hunting carbine MC-558 (civilian version of “Exhaust”)


In the same year, the FSB of the Russian Federation adopted the ASH-12 assault rifle.

About the further fate of the assault revolver RSH-12 I could not get any official data. I read somewhere that the RSH-12 revolver was adopted by the FSB of the Russian Federation, but there is no such information on the developer’s official website. Found only a mention on the site of the parent company (PCU):

“Based on the design of the VKS rifle, 7,62-mm high-precision sniper rifle VSV and 12,7-mm assault ASh assault rifle adopted by the FSB of the Russian Federation were developed.”

Perhaps the RSH-12 revolver will “grow out” into a revolver gun, because that is how the fate of the Klimovsk OTs-20 revolver “Dwarf” formed: on the basis of this large-caliber revolver, revolver-type guns of both military and civilian purposes are manufactured.


The assault revolving gun with a folding butt of MTs 255-12
for law enforcement officers chambered for 12 / 70 and 12 / 76.



Revolving shotguns MC 255-12, MC 255-20 and MC 255-.410
for commercial and amateur hunting in calibers 12, 20 and .410.


That's all the information on the RSH-12 assault rifle that I was able to find and comprehend. What do you think? At least in something I was right? Is the pistol good? Do I need this? Write, share information!

Thank you for attention!

Sources:
http://i-korotchenko.livejournal.com
http://world.guns.ru
http://oruzheika.mybb.ru
http://www.yaplakal.com
http://popgun.ru
http://sniper-weapon.ru
http://www.kalibr.ru
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  1. arthur_hammer
    +9
    9 June 2014 08: 31
    Yes, this revolver to all revolvers revolver))))
    1. +3
      9 June 2014 17: 18
      I beg your pardon, climbed into the top, for comments influenced that I read below, I want to answer those who say:
      - Why such a heavy, large revolver of this caliber?
      Yes, a larger caliber allows you to create a wider line of ammunition for it!
    2. Dezzed
      0
      11 June 2014 21: 10
      The thing is impressive, with its own charm

      but why? who will wear it?
      1. 0
        16 August 2014 22: 59
        A very comprehensive article with lots of useful information. As for the revolver - I think it will be used as a short carbine in urban areas and in battles in buildings. There he will be most to the court: compact, accurate and extremely powerful.
  2. +4
    9 June 2014 08: 35
    Elephant is terrifying!!!
  3. +8
    9 June 2014 08: 37
    Informative article !! Revolver power! Keys are not needed so you can open the door. good
  4. +14
    9 June 2014 08: 44
    I doubt the practical value of this revolver - a simple pump is much more convenient, and in situations where it is long, you can use automatic pistols, which have a much larger store!
    And the muffler for the REVOLVER is generally a chimera - the maximum is an unnatural decrease in the volume of the shot, in addition, the obturator mufflers with such a caliber, the obturators will have to be changed too often, the alternately closed volume will be too long (no less than the "pump"), with a mesh refrigerator and diverter cones, are ineffective ! Yes, and the breakthrough of gases between the drum and the barrel has not gone anywhere (the only way to avoid the breakthrough of gases is to move the cartridge forward, with the "hitting" the edge of the sleeve on the barrel, which requires a special mechanism of which there are no signs)
    The only consumers on this barrel are fans of weapons (Schaub Bulo!) And certain personalities (if there are not many pants, even a large gun) True, there are many!
    1. +4
      9 June 2014 13: 52
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      I doubt the practical value of this revolver - a simple pump is much more convenient, and in situations where it is long, you can use automatic pistols, which have a much larger store!

      It is difficult to disagree with this, nevertheless, the weapon and the review are very interesting.
      Michael, YOU as always on top!
      1. +4
        9 June 2014 14: 47
        Quote: Bongo
        weapons and review are very interesting.
        Michael, YOU as always on top!

        Thank you!
        I will answer with the words of Vasily Terkin:
        I would not play like that again. It is a pity that I can not better.
        1. +3
          9 June 2014 15: 02
          Quote: Mister X
          I would not play like that again. It is a pity that I can not better.

          I am sure that you can .... but also, the publication is really very worthy and informative good
    2. +1
      9 June 2014 16: 23
      I suggest looking for the meaning of this miracle in the practice of OMON. R-12 is attached by Picatinny's magic bar to the same one at ASH-12. A revolver is the best way to choose a cartridge (by rotating the drum) for use in specific conditions. If the cartridge from the revolver takes shelter - we put in the ASH-12 store with the same contents. If not, continue the selection by rotating the drum. There is no suitable - we try grenades.

      An automatic pistol of this caliber? No, I didn’t listen ...
    3. +1
      9 June 2014 17: 07
      What can influence the choice - "pump vs RSH-12" limitation on weight, size, etc. - if something is needed smaller, then RSH-12.
      Yes, in general, I believe that such patterns are not created from stupidity or idleness.
      A set of ammunition, in my opinion is good, or rather sufficient.
      And the other examples are good too.
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  5. arthur_hammer
    +4
    9 June 2014 09: 13
    revolver "blow" 12,5x40 mm, developed back in the 90s
  6. arthur_hammer
    +1
    9 June 2014 09: 14
    another revolver "gnome"
  7. -2
    9 June 2014 09: 15
    A silenced revolver is much quieter than an automatic pistol. Since there is no clank of automation. There are really no signs of a gas breakthrough. Do I need such a caliber? And FIG knows him. In principle, the Americans adopted the revolver 45 caliber 11.35 mm seems, but it was in 1917. then they gradually abandoned it, because of the fucking kickback. and a lot of weight. But the machine is impressive! But the machine will be more interesting.
    1. +7
      9 June 2014 09: 50
      Revolvers with a silencer are just a drowsy noise from a gas breakout! And for this barrel, even the drummer will sound like a hammer (the drum is moved far ahead, which means the needle is very long and thick, which necessarily increases the force of impact)
      A small footnote: the Americans are trying to create a "trench" revolver (for actions in Wetnam tunnels) with a monstrous caliber, in fact it was a shotgun in the form of a revolver! This monster was not in production because it was absolutely useless.
      And the quiet quiet revolver was created in the USSR, a very original design, it had TWO drums, one where it should be, the second at the end of the barrel. The sound suppression mechanism was very funny - a bullet with a caliber of 7.6 mm was pushed out of the 9 mm cartridge case, which flew through the barrel and pushed the bullet out and stayed in the second reel!
    2. +5
      9 June 2014 10: 41
      In principle, the Americans adopted the revolver 45 caliber 11.35 mm seems, but it was in 1917. then they gradually abandoned it, because of the fucking kickback.
      The 45th caliber is 11,43mm. This caliber since at least 1911, when they created the famous Colt model, which in one form or another is in service with many countries. In the USA, has many fans in the Marine Corps to this day.
      1. 0
        9 June 2014 18: 09
        I'm talking about a 45 caliber Smith and Wesson revolver. Introduced into service in 1917. Caliber in mm, I’m talking about it. I don't remember the exact millimeters, I beg your pardon.
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  8. arthur_hammer
    +6
    9 June 2014 09: 16
    chambered for 12,3x35 mm
  9. +4
    9 June 2014 09: 50
    I also do not understand why this is needed. Stopping action? Well, you can take a normal caliber, but with an expansive bullet. There will be no heap of problems associated with a large caliber. Such a caliber for military purposes is justified only for weapons with a full silencer. In order to put such a silencer on a revolver, it must have a design similar to that of a gun, eliminating the breakthrough of gases between the drum and the barrel.
    I also understand that large-caliber smooth-bore revolvers can use a wide range of cartridges, including hand-loaded ones. For police tasks, for example, if the tear powder from the first three cartridges did not have the desired effect, the remaining two cartridges with rubber bullets will go into action. Well, the "elephant" is for gun fans.
    1. +1
      9 June 2014 17: 15
      A larger caliber allows you to create a larger line of ammunition. good
  10. +15
    9 June 2014 09: 59
    Such a "pistol" is good for another fantastic action movie, where in the twilight, a hero, in size like Schwarzenegger, pulling out this "fool" will proudly announce that this is a gift from Russia from a friend with whom he studied at the KGB school ...
  11. -1
    9 June 2014 10: 39
    Another paranoid "masterpiece" from the 90s ...
    "Elephant boy" ... - how many and what "elephants" did they kill? Bradya.tina journalistic ...
    This revolver is junk and nonsense!
    Author, answer the following questions:
    - how much is released?
    - who is ... will buy?
    - application cases?
    Another "unparalleled" and tries ... no one needs ...

    The comment of this participant is very indicative - the level of training of those who admire this "miracle" is immediately clear. Sofa "specialists" ...
    Free wind (1) RU Today, 09:15:
    A silenced revolver is much quieter than an automatic pistol. Since there is no clank of automation.
    "Much" !!!
    1. +10
      9 June 2014 12: 28
      Quote: Leader
      Author, answer the following questions:
      - how much is released?
      - who is ... will buy?
      - application cases?

      - Most likely released several prototypes.
      - It does not produce. Would buy at least lovers of exotic weapons.
      - Since they didn’t even produce in small batches, they didn’t apply it.
      Why so much aggression and cynicism?
      Gunsmiths did their work in the most difficult time for the country.
      After all, in order to test your idea you need to translate it into metal.
      As a result, the machine gun (AS) was adopted, and the revolver (RS) did not satisfy the military.
      “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7,1).
  12. +2
    9 June 2014 10: 44
    it is necessary to do the exoskeleton under it right away, otherwise the joints will turn out in FIG when recoil)))
    1. +2
      9 June 2014 12: 36
      Quote: hort
      it is necessary to do the exoskeleton under it right away, otherwise the joints will turn out in FIG when recoil)))

      Apparently this problem was supposed to be partially solved by using the butt and grenade handle as well as by shooting from the lower chamber.
  13. +5
    9 June 2014 10: 45
    Destroyers of legends.
    Issue 121
    If you hold the hunting revolver in the wrong way, you can lose your fingers from the release of gases from it.
    Confirmed by
    The destroyers took this myth from frames shown on television. After the test shot, it was found that during the shot the gases are released just in the area where the fingers of the arrow are located at the wrong grip. Adam and Jamie created a pair of hands from carcasses of chickens to test the effects of these gases on human fingers. The hand made by Jamie was not quite anatomically similar to the hand of a man, and on tests showed slight damage to the flesh. The hand created by Adam was made anatomically accurately (the articulation points of the bones were like a human's) and suffered much more - her finger was almost completely torn off, thereby confirming the myth.
  14. +1
    9 June 2014 11: 16
    Matebu revolver recalled
    http://topwar.ru/19582-avtomaticheskiy-revolver-mateba-model-6-unica.html
    also a piece copy. the mass buyer never received.
  15. +5
    9 June 2014 11: 21
    Thanks to the author for an interesting review. But there are a lot of questions about such a revolver - mass, recoil, accuracy when shooting, etc. And so, a powerful device, but more for collectors or just fans of such "trunks"
    1. +1
      9 June 2014 11: 30
      Quote: archi.sailor
      Thanks to the author for an interesting review. But there are a lot of questions about such a revolver - mass, recoil, accuracy when shooting, etc. And so, a powerful device, but more for collectors or just fans of such "trunks"

      Taking off my hat hi Before you: You met in 2 lines! And I smeared the same thing by 9!
    2. +4
      9 June 2014 11: 34
      But there are a lot of questions to such a revolver — mass, recoil, accuracy when shooting, etc.
      I think the calculation was not for mass use, but for its use in the capture group as "openers". For these purposes, a powerful cartridge charge and an aiming range of over three meters are not needed. Agree to carry it one per group easier than a 12 gauge smoothbore fool. And for duels - there are other revolvers)
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  16. +3
    9 June 2014 11: 31
    "Assault revolver" - how's that? A revolver is either self-defense (for which this one is clearly too big), or just shoot. It seems that hunting with large revolvers is common in the states.
    But certainly not an assault. The times of the wild west are long past :)
  17. +2
    9 June 2014 11: 32
    Absolutely lethal "device" ... even without cartridges ....
  18. vkrav
    +1
    9 June 2014 11: 56
    Why then do they dislike elephants so much? laughing
    It’s difficult to imagine his battle niche - except to suppress the evil ones in body armor - they will suffer longer ...
    About shooting from this device - when shooting with a smaller caliber - .44 - the revolver throws almost vertically, plus recoil on the verge of portability ... Or does it have "system requirements" - the weight of the "operator" is not less than 120kg? ease of use in comparison with a three-charge police pump seems questionable to me ... The most powerful damaging factor of this unit is a lethal psychological effect laughing .Apparently, it will forever remain a prototype.
  19. Drfreeman
    +2
    9 June 2014 12: 19
    This revolver is needed to destroy zombies wassat The Americans seem to have beaten even military plans in case they invaded. And what are we worse fool
    1. +4
      9 June 2014 12: 38
      Quote: DrFreeman
      This revolver is needed to destroy zombies wassat The Americans seem to have beaten even military plans in case they invaded. And what are we worse fool

      I propose to equip it with sliding bipod, a hydraulic recoil and increase the caliber! wassat
      1. +3
        9 June 2014 13: 26
        I propose to equip it with sliding bipods, a hydraulic recoil and increase the caliber
        You forgot about eight times at least optics
      2. vkrav
        +4
        9 June 2014 14: 00
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        increase caliber!

        ... up to 14,5 mm. And then "it will not be enough!" (c) laughing
        1. +6
          9 June 2014 17: 25
          you give 23 mm to the masses !! fellow
      3. 0
        13 June 2014 05: 18
        yeah, plus a rail accelerator, an inertial gravitational stabilizer, "smart" bullets - and it is imperative that "Good afternoon, Judge Dredd" says in a pleasant female voice bully
  20. Bormental
    0
    9 June 2014 12: 35
    Very similar to Mateba Model 6 Unica, like the Italian, will look cool in the movies (see "Send Them to Hell, Malone").
    1. +2
      9 June 2014 13: 25
      Quote: Bormental
      Quite similar to the Mateba Model 6 Unica, as well as the Italian, it will look cool in movies (see "Send Them to Hell, Malone").

      And
      Serenity / Serenity Mission (2005) with Gina Torres
      Gamer / Gamer (2009) with Gerard Butler
      Looper / Time Loop (2012) with Bruce Willis
  21. +2
    9 June 2014 14: 04
    He would have anti-demon bullets with salt, and you can not be afraid of all evil spirits.
  22. 0
    9 June 2014 14: 58
    we had such a powerful thing in the detachment! though the handle is inconvenient when firing a gun, it tries to fly out of our hands regardless of its firm grip. We didn’t use it in operations. It grabbed a full-fledged APS. So, from time to time we fired for general awareness.
    Quote: arthur_hammer
    revolver "blow" 12,5x40 mm, developed back in the 90s
    1. +1
      9 June 2014 15: 11
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      strives to fly out of hand


      Device. surrenders to me. Designed to train the ligaments and joints of the hand ... I shot (two times, I don’t want to go anymore), pushed ....
    2. +1
      9 June 2014 19: 07
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      we in the squad was so

      Is there at least one person who used this !!!
      - What troops did you serve? Hint though.
      - How did he look? Like the first photo or the photo 2 and 3?
      - Drum how to recline? And then I imagined a lot looking at these photos.
      - Were there any accessories in the package? butt, crank, muffler, muzzle brake?

      Quote: leonardo_1971
      from time to time they were shot for general insight.

      - What ammo used?
      - What was the accuracy of the battle with such a return?
      Thank you!
  23. +1
    9 June 2014 15: 20
    This "pistol" resembles the long-known Israeli Desert Eagle. The firepower of that turned out to be huge, and the demand was scanty, tk. managing such a fool in a real battle was not easy at all. Therefore, the Desert Eagle is mainly bought by amateurs. Professionals prefer smaller and more convenient pistols and revolvers.
    1. 0
      9 June 2014 15: 47
      If I'm not mistaken, then the Desert Eagle is American. Israeli reprint was called Jeriho (Jericho)


      I apologize. The desert eagle is still Israeli.
      1. 0
        10 June 2014 14: 19
        The Desert Eagle is an Israeli-American pistol. And opposite the RSh-12 is a children's pukalka. The Jericho is an Israeli pistol based on the CZ-75 and looks like an Eagle. It is also called "Baby Eagle".
    2. +1
      10 June 2014 15: 49
      I would like to add about the extremely low reliability of the Desert Eagle. How many times had to "bail out" colleagues in the shooting by pulling out a tightly jammed cartridge case from the chamber. And this heavy tool wedged exactly after each shot. this was the creation of an Israeli assembly. I think that large-caliber pistols should gradually be replaced by more mobile, compact and rapid-fire weapons. In the end, any "elephant" is not able to provide decent resistance to modern pistols and machine guns, for example, the same "Veresk".
    3. 0
      10 June 2014 15: 49
      I would like to add about the extremely low reliability of the Desert Eagle. How many times had to "bail out" colleagues in the shooting by pulling out a tightly jammed cartridge case from the chamber. And this heavy tool wedged exactly after each shot. this was the creation of an Israeli assembly. I think that large-caliber pistols should gradually be replaced by more mobile, compact and rapid-fire weapons. In the end, any "elephant" is not able to provide decent resistance to modern pistols and machine guns, for example, the same "Veresk".
      1. 0
        10 June 2014 19: 15
        I read that it wedges the sleeve during recoil, when the shooter turns the gun almost vertically, if you shoot, tightly fastening the gun in the machine, then there will be no wedges.
  24. 0
    9 June 2014 15: 53
    Yes - the revolver is not massive. But, if a specialist needs to solve everything in one click with his finger, then he has a choice - to "fence" VSS / VSK in doorways or closer to the body and shorter. Although it catches up with VAL in weight, there is more freedom in close quarters with it.

    + I wonder what longitude there is PBS to reduce the rumble with such a caliber?
  25. Sniper77
    +1
    9 June 2014 15: 55
    I don't understand why it is needed.
    Actually chtol to shoot elephants? Imagine his return ..
    1. Codename49
      +2
      9 June 2014 16: 12
      I wonder if you have a return, and Yatsenyuk SUCH A LARGE HOLE IN THE STOMACH WILL BE EVEN EVERYONE WILL SEE IT EVERYTHING !!!
  26. Codename49
    -2
    9 June 2014 16: 09
    this is not an elephant but a crest !!!
  27. Codename49
    -4
    9 June 2014 16: 11
    This trunk to go to the Bendery crest of the red-black feather woodpecker !!!
  28. Codename49
    -2
    9 June 2014 16: 15
    GIVE OUR OWN IN DONBAS to go hunting for Euro-integrators !!!
  29. -2
    9 June 2014 18: 37
    The 12.7x55mm hunting cartridge is almost 16 gauge, it’s simply impractical to shoot with one hand, it’s hard to stupidly aim, and the idea is exactly the same. Why didn’t they immediately make a revolving gun with a folding or detachable stock? To the same KS 23 in a shortened version with bullet cartridges, he is not a competitor ...
    1. +4
      9 June 2014 19: 40
      12,7 is by no means a 16 gauge, there is 17 mm, but 32 is smooth, 32 hunting pistols are being released now. Secondly, Amer’s amateurs shoot from Casulla 500 to and nothing. By the way, the Amerovsky 44 magnum, in energy, is almost not inferior to Kazull, but is in demand ...
      1. 0
        9 June 2014 20: 37
        Confused with 28, oh, these English calibers.) I proceed from the goals of this "revolver". It is unlikely that the Americans are storming the building with .50 and .44, holding a 2-kilogram pig by the handle is constantly directed in the direction of movement, even with two hands is quite difficult if from the first you didn’t hit the second time, it’s unlikely that you will have time to catch the enemy in the sight. If you rely on the front "assault" handle and butt, it would not be easier to make them solid right away.
  30. +2
    9 June 2014 18: 55
    The author of the article and the group of designers. Can i ask you? Is it possible to make electrocapsules on pistols and revolvers? electric start? Or electric recharge. Agree that a battery with wires or a piezo trigger are simpler and cheaper than traditional systems?
    1. 0
      9 June 2014 19: 11
      Quote: Free Wind
      The author of the article and the group of designers. Can i ask you? Is it possible to make electrocapsules on pistols and revolvers? electric start? Or electric recharge. Agree that a battery with wires or a piezo trigger are simpler and cheaper than traditional systems?

      Remember the anegdot: there is nothing to watch, but the batteries are too heavy "Here is exactly the case: imagine a skalko of hemorrhoids added - protected from moisture, replacing batteries / recharging the battery, it will be more difficult to keep it in a combat ready state!
      Although there have been attempts to use such schemes (used in series in some ship and airborne systems, such as miniguns)
      Although if you connect a fantasy, you can for example use liquid powder with direct ignition of an electric spark.
      At present, the main dream of gunsmiths is a sleeveless cartridge, and there are already prototypes!
      1. 0
        9 June 2014 19: 56
        Well ... A cartridgeless cartridge has been the dream of all gunsmiths since the 70s of the last century. It just doesn’t exist, so far, polymers that can work both as a sleeve and as gunpowder.

        Z.Y. Though... what 21 century ...
      2. 0
        9 June 2014 20: 13
        This is from the Yeralash newsreel. And now this does not surprise anyone. and TV and the Internet, and a video phone. Therefore, it seems that the electric start? available.
  31. 0
    9 June 2014 19: 48
    According to the last comment. The electro-firing device in small arms has been discussed since the 60s of the last century. Indeed, it greatly simplifies the mechanism of the weapon, and a simple battery lasts for several thousand shots (at least they wrote that), but things are still there ...
    As for the breakthrough of gases, the issue can be resolved in the same way as in the mts-255 revolver model. I don’t want to write, see the description of the gun. I saw how they shot from him, no breakthrough is visible.
  32. 0
    9 June 2014 22: 03
    Traumatic gun Osa PB-4. is a lightweight 4-gun electric ignition weapon.
  33. -2
    10 June 2014 00: 04
    As for me, this revolver was conceived as an alternative to police pump-action trucks - it’s still smaller, lighter and the recoil seems to be different from that of the 12 gauge. And the stopping effect is comparable. A sort of short-bore fitting. Interestingly, but from a distance of 10 meters, say, an army armor that way takes the 6th level of protection? Here, by the way, is another aspect of the application - the defeat of targets in PPE. After all, in theory, police ammunition should have a maximum stopping effect. There is no talk of breaking through PPE. And so the assault group will be armed with a tool that ensures a guaranteed defeat of everything that moves.
    CONCLUSION: if necessary, the weapon is in the police. But they didn’t take them into service - they didn’t give a rollback, therefore laughing
    1. +1
      10 June 2014 09: 05
      Quote: allexx83
      . Interestingly, but from a distance of 10 meters, say, an army armor that way takes the 6th level of protection?

      likely to take. and if he doesn’t, he will send the wearer of the impenetrable body armor to a deep knockout.
      1. 0
        10 June 2014 14: 17
        Armor-piercing 12,7x55 at VSSK pierces 16mm steel at 200 meters.
    2. +1
      10 June 2014 11: 20
      Quote: allexx83
      Interestingly, but from the distance let's say 10 meters take an army armor of the 6 level of protection?

      Apparently it was for this purpose that the PS-12B cartridge was developed: with an armor-piercing bullet.
      Somewhere they wrote about the possibility of shooting these cartridges through walls and doors as well as for destroying targets in cars.
  34. 0
    10 June 2014 02: 48
    Quote: allexx83
    As for me, this revolver was conceived as an alternative to police pump-action trucks - it’s still smaller, lighter and the recoil seems to be different from that of the 12 gauge



    Alexander, learn physics and geometry. Well, or at least re-read. feel
    1. 0
      10 June 2014 22: 15
      Justify.
      1. +1
        12 June 2014 00: 30
        Well, what are you, as a little one, honestly. Is it really incomprehensible that the barrel of 12 (twelfth!) Caliber can not be held in your hands when firing. What is <KATET KATET HYPOTENUSA> I hope you know? If not, what should you justify?
        You can minus any number, but refresh physics with geometry.
        1. -1
          12 June 2014 23: 14
          If I, a graduate of the physical education faculty, need to refresh such knowledge, then you urgently need to see an optometrist. I AM talked aboutthat this revolver has lesser recoil than the 12th. hi A "minus" for inattention.
          P.S. It is still possible to shoot from the 12th from the hands, but "uncomfortable" to say the least.
  35. +3
    10 June 2014 10: 50
    The muzzle energy of an armor-piercing cartridge. 0,076(kg)*310(m/s)*310(m/s)/2. 3651,8 J. Like a full-fledged rifle cartridge. For a Kalash 7,62mm bullet with a BP bullet of 0,0079 (kg) * 725 (m / s) * 725 (m / s) / 2. 2076 J. 1,5 times less. And the transverse load of the subject is also more like it turns out. 60g/cm2 versus 17g/cm2. Can compensate for low speed.
    But there is still a problem with the recoil momentum, 27,45 ns. The 12th hunting caliber is somewhere around 28,5. Too much for shooting with one hand, but it seems quite possible.
    But the price ... When trying to use at least one such cartridge, the shooter can easily be strangled to death by a toad. For short-run cartridges, prices are usually cosmic.

    But what about racing calibers, "real guns" and so on. We remove the front grip with a muzzle from the RG-6, we get a revolver with a caliber of 40mm smile .
  36. 0
    10 June 2014 21: 22
    Quote: brn521
    We remove the front handle with a muzzle from RG-6, we get a 40 mm revolver.


    ... after the first shot we get a disabled person. soldier
  37. +2
    11 June 2014 09: 57
    Quote: kirpich
    ... after the first shot we get a disabled person.

    Well, you can not remove the muzzle, only the front handle, especially since without a muzzle the appearance will not be very. And so, if there is such a cabinet that will be in a state of a six-kilogram revolver, and even with its wildly curved balance, aiming a shot, you won’t catch it at the level of the grenade launcher. Moreover, a large mass should help reduce perceived returns. For the 12th caliber, the minimum weight is somewhere around 3-3,5kg. RG-6 has an actual mass of almost twice as much.
    And the RSh-12, by the way, is one third less, although the recoil for the armor-piercing cartridge is registered almost at the level of the 12th caliber. It would be necessary to seal something like a mercury recoil compensator in the handle, otherwise shooting with one hand would be completely uncomfortable.
    As for the numbers in the table for cartridges for a subject, this is probably for a rifle. For a revolver, I think it’s necessary to knock off at least a third of the energy. The barrel is shorter, plus a breakthrough of powder gases between the barrel and the drum. As a result, energy at the AKM level will work. But still decent.
  38. 0
    13 June 2014 04: 20
    “What was it created for?” You ask. Apparently, for arming special forces, as a highly effective assault weapon for close combat, providing a high stopping effect at short distances in a confined space (storming premises, etc.), while reducing the likelihood of hitting third parties due to the rapid energy drop of a bullet with range.

    The weight of the entogo "elephant" is 2,2 kg empty. The SR-3M weighs 2,5kg with a 20-round magazine. I think common sense will prevail, right?
  39. -1
    13 June 2014 05: 08
    Quote: mirag2

    Yes, in general, I believe that such patterns are not created from stupidity or idleness.
    A set of ammunition, in my opinion is good, or rather sufficient.
    I'm afraid that ALL such miscarriages of a gloomy genius are created either from doing it, or for cutting dough.
    competence issuing state orders to Zlobin, and then receiving it on armament raises serious doubts ... No, there are no complaints about the designer himself - from an engineering point of view, the samples are good, with their own zest, and some even with a claim to aesthetics, which pleases against the background of our traditional "snags". But...
    - VSK "Exhaust" - one asks - why the hell is he so needed? Almost 7 kg bolt, and even under a special cartridge? No, really?
    - ASh-12 is generally a masterpiece ... To create a new machine gun, a new family of cartridges, new gadgets for this barrel (even a new grenade launcher) ... in order to get a healthy 6 kg cock at the exit, from which it is generally impossible to shoot indoors without a tactical silencer (because you deaf) and you cannot shoot with it (for a large caliber + "roll" + glushak = shooter suffocated from powder gases in the middle of the store. bottle necking has always been considered a junk for automation.
    Why was it impossible to develop further 9x39 cartridge, and the associated family of weapons? cartridge based on years of experience and tested in more than one conflict 39mm sleeve, providing ease of conversion of any 7.62 weapons under 9mm. Change the weight \ shape of the bullet, make \ weight of gunpowder - you will get cuts close to 12mm, but without the need for a new machine gun and cartridge.

    - Well, the most delicious is the "great and terrible" ak-12. How many years we were promised new automatic, and issued worsened Galil ACE ... It's generally a century divorce.
  40. 0
    14 June 2014 10: 43
    Quote: psiho117
    - VSK "Exhaust" - one asks - why the hell is he so needed? Almost a 7-kilogram bolt, and even under a special cartridge? No, really?

    Bring down the presidents. Silencer, relatively long effective range, high accuracy, high penetration, not like the weak SP-5 and SP-6. When using modern thermal imagers, you can even get through the not too thick walls of the enemy. In general, there is a niche of application. But not for everyone, because the price. How much did Karden write there, 300000 in the 10th year apiece for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, taking into account kickbacks?
    Without a muffler, the expediency of application begins to tend to 0. The "noisy" supersonic cartridges have more advantages and are much cheaper.
    Quote: psiho117
    from which you can’t shoot at all in a room without a tactical silencer (because you are deaf)

    Indoors, they even shoot from PKM. An irreplaceable thing, and crush it with fire, and pick up a wall in two bricks. And as for deafness, powder gases and other things, it is clear that the line of weapons is not for ordinary soldiers. A good helmet should solve problems. But again, this does not justify the involvement of a special cartridge to solve problems that conventional weapons can handle. That way you can pile an automatic machine chambered for SP-4.
    Quote: psiho117
    Why was it impossible to develop further 9x39 cartridge, and the associated family of weapons?

    Energy is limited by subsonic speed. Power can be increased only due to the mass of the bullet and, accordingly, its caliber. As a result, a 12,7 mm bullet flies along a steep path, and for ballistic shooting over long distances a ballistic computer is required. But it holds energy for a long time, unlike high-speed bullets. And less dependent on weather conditions. And then with this wind in mind, the difference in heat flux over different surfaces, air humidity and other things, sniper shooting turns into some kind of shamanism. A large caliber can solve some of the problems. And a large silent and flameless caliber is generally the dream of a combat sniper. In a short time, you can do the work equivalent to a small artillery strike, and you will not be calculated. So the sniper rifle has a good perspective, it is necessary to increase production and reduce the price. But the revolver is unlikely. I don’t know the vending machine, I need to ask the end consumers, maybe they will really find application.
    1. 0
      14 June 2014 18: 50
      Quote: brn521
      Quote: psiho117
      Why was it impossible to develop further 9x39 cartridge, and the associated family of weapons?

      Energy is limited by subsonic speed. Power can be increased only due to the mass of the bullet and, accordingly, its caliber.

      For a rifle - I agree, but why is this an assault rifle? it is not limited to a subsonic bullet.
      What prevented making a hollow aluminum bullet of the THW type for a 9x39 cartridge? even if you do not change the weight of gunpowder, it will already have a speed of 800m \ s. And if you play with a hitch? supersonic expansive? Or a tungsten core armor piercer? There would be no problems with automation, in fact this is a good old 7,62x39 re-compressed to a different caliber.
      And production, and components, everything has been worked out for half a century.


      No, for some reason they are fencing a new caliber, a new machine gun ... The whole world is trying to reduce the cost, unify, minimize the unnecessary variety of calibers - we alone are not looking for easy ways. Either they will come up with an SVD under 9,3x64, then they introduced a pistol 9x21 for some reason (apparently Allah did not order to put this bullet into a Parabellum case), and there are many similar stories in domestic practice.
      I don’t understand - they started to go from raising funding there, or what? Even the wealthy Americans with their Nypical military budget do not allow such a thing.
  41. 0
    16 June 2014 03: 47
    Even without cartridges is scary! If you take the trunk so on a grand scale! MTs-255 is also a miracle is not unique beautifully expensive and incomprehensible for what hunting
  42. +1
    18 June 2014 13: 22
    like this colossus ... impressed ... I'm afraid only of the return ... one hundred percent it is huge ...
  43. Tesla
    0
    9 August 2014 23: 30
    This revolver is terrifying in its appearance alone. I’m even afraid to imagine what will happen after he shoots. These are more frightening weapons than practical ones. Although the armor-piercing bullet, I think you can stop the truck.
  44. 0
    7 December 2014 10: 59
    That's for sure. here any gangster will get rid of one type of such a machine))
  45. 0
    11 January 2015 00: 26
    designers have to do a lot and different things! and there consumers understand what they had to go to the yard! the article is very good!
  46. 0
    8 June 2015 19: 36
    STEEP BAR
  47. 0
    2 July 2015 12: 58
    An excellent caliber for dealing with a heavily armored opponent. It’s not a fire to shoot nudity, his target must be covered by a 6A protection class armor, wearing a helmet from Kevral. And if the cartridge 5,45 does not stop such a target, then such ammunition will knock out a hole in it with an armor plate to which it will fall.
    And after all, this caliber already allows you to make cumulative ammunition =)
  48. 0
    1 January 2018 20: 44
    Cool gun! however, there is no video how to shoot from it and what is the return on it, if you don’t fly into the forehead with both hands shoulder width apart or from the hip, unless of course you dislocate the hip when shooting with such a caliber laughing
  49. 0
    14 January 2018 07: 03
    Well, now there is a real domestic model of monstrous weapons for a “guy with a Russian accent” in American cinema, and not some mythical “Poddubny pistol” (which is actually DE).
  50. 0
    16 January 2018 01: 55
    And why such a revolver? For elephant hunting?
  51. 0
    25 May 2018 18: 36
    Uzas, dammit))) But it’s special, I guess it’s the best... For buildings. If he doesn't twist his arm