Putin's Tricky Plan

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Putin's Tricky PlanToday 2 main lines of explanation of the behavior of Russia are as follows:
a) Putin merged everything.
b) Putin is implementing a cunning plan.
On the first point, which implies the complete shedding of the Southeast (under pressure from the United States and NATO), these laments are somewhat ahead of events, because according to my information (details of which I cannot yet disclose), some help is provided, although from my point of view, it is only enough for the limited maintenance of resistance.
On the second point, everything that is happening now is explained in such a way that the US wants to draw the Russian Federation into the war, and Putin understood everything and avoided the war, leading a subtle game aimed at seizing the whole / part of Ukraine.

In fact, both points of view are only part of the picture of Russian politics in Ukraine. I could have believed in Putin’s “cunning plan” and even forgot about the cunning plan of Yanukovych that recently echoed on social networks http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1386952.html, if it’s not familiar with previous events.
The fact is that the study of the policy of the Russian Federation in Ukraine demonstrates a number of strategic failures in foreign policy.
Already under Putin (the Yeltsin presidency consisting of various betrayals we omit), Russia suffered a major defeat in the 2004 year, when the stake on Yanukovich and the "Party of Regions" (which Putin himself openly supported) was beaten by the Americans to carry out a coup d'état and the puppet Yushchenko government came to power (where there were quite a few members of the current fascist junta). Russia 5 years had to endure the results of its defeat, after which the "orange" went bankrupt and the same "Party of Regions" broke into power with Yanukovych. It was interpreted in the Russian Federation as a rematch. The Kharkiv agreements and the extension of the agreement on the basing of the Black Sea Fleet were viewed as a strategic success ensuring Ukraine’s entry into the future integration projects based on the Russian Federation.

In 2014, Russia once again suffered a major defeat in the Ukrainian issue, when the Americans implemented their plan to bring to power another puppet government completely dependent on Washington. Together with the “cunning plan of Yanukovich”, the Americans lowered into the toilet the Kremlin’s plans to preserve the non-aligned status of Ukraine and the dependent regime of Yanukovych tied to gas contracts and the loans that were given to them under the Kharkiv agreements. They ordered to live long and plans to include Ukraine in the CU, which was full of 2012-2013 officialdom.

But fortunately for the Kremlin, Washington is also not perfect, and in the plans of the Americans to establish control over the entire territory of Ukraine, significant errors crept in, due to both underestimating the level of local resistance and the idiocy of the performers (including the Ukrainian fascists) . Hurrying with the seizure of power, scaring the population with raids by fascist units and throwing in the hysterical idea of ​​banning the Russian language, the Americans actually allowed an uprising on parts of the former Ukraine, creating convenient opportunities for Russia to compensate for the losses already incurred.
Some believe that this was part of the Jesuit cunning plan of the United States in order to kindle a civil war into which Russia will be drawn and which will suffer a defeat in it.
But story The Crimean Spring shows that the uprising itself in Sevastopol was unexpected for all parties to the conflict, it developed at the beginning without Russia's participation, and its consequences were unexpected for Washington, where after the coup they considered the entire territory of Ukraine - including the Crimea and Donbass as an integral property of that regime, which was brought to power in Kiev.

The uprising in Sevastopol multiplied by local separatism was essentially ignored by Kiev, which did nothing to really keep the city. The Kremlin saw this as a nice opportunity to carry out a "raid on Pristina No. XXUMX", since the local population is most loyal to Moscow, and there were quite a few military units there. A brilliant special operation (without joking) on ​​ensuring the transfer of Crimea to the Russian Federation was planned and implemented. It will inevitably be studied in the textbooks for specialists of "narrow profile". She looked even more impressive than the defeat of the Georgian army in 2 year.

The Americans, and especially Kiev, missed it. The inertia of this success created not only the effect of the temporary consolidation of society, but also generated a certain euphoria in the ruling circles, which looked very strange against the background of the political catastrophe a little earlier. It was announced that after long years of http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1226976.html "without ideology" and the national idea, finally the idea was found - this is the reunification of a divided people and de facto "gathering lands". In an oppositional patriotic society (and even in terms of a public left-patriotic), what is happening has been perceived as a kind of rupture of the pattern - they say, we have been talking about Putin’s anti-people regime for years, and he ... Crimea is ours! This served as a catalyst for the hurray-patriotic upsurge (in the spirit of the outbreak of the First World War), from whose wheels the events in the Donbas were viewed. The previous political catastrophe of the collapse of the regime of Yanukovych was perceived as an annoying misunderstanding.

But if in the Crimea, the Kremlin acted under the conditions of maximum favor - the Americans did not have time to react, and Kiev slept at all what had happened, then in the Donbass the development of the processes of falling away of Donetsk and Lugansk from Ukraine met certain difficulties.

Now it is fashionable among the pro-government political analysts to blame everything on the wrong population, saying "my hut is on the edge" and "as long as there is no war," so everything is so bad why they say Putin should fight if everyone is home. This is true, but this is only part of the truth that such authors are trying to gloss over so many failures of the Russian policy in Ukraine, including the failures of Putin himself and Lavrov as foreign minister.
The fact is that the self-organization of people in the South-East has been suppressed by the Ukrainian authorities for years, including the “Party of Regions” that Russia has put on and which has achieved even greater success in eliminating pro-Russian organizations than the Yushchenko government. The Kremlin looked at all this with Olympic calmness. The consul of the Russian Federation in the Crimea Andreev, for example, called the local separatists (thanks in large part to which Crimea was ours!) Provocateurs undermining the territorial integrity of Ukraine. With Bandera on the streets of Kiev, except for the Communist Party of Ukraine and Vitrenkovets, practically no one walked around butting. Organizations for these tasks were not created.

The Kremlin believed that the economic and political levers of pressure on the Yanukovych regime were more than enough to fulfill their interests in Ukraine, but the February 20 coup d'état revealed this policy to be untenable. Symptomatic confessions of Pushkov, speak best of some of the causes of the catastrophe that occurred.

From Twitter Pushkova


Such lessons are usually paid for in blood.

So far, Russian capital has indulged itself with the illusion that the price of enslaving contracts (which became so thanks to Orange), if anyone has forgotten, the price revision was started by Orange, can be realized by basing the Black Sea Fleet, controlling strategic enterprises and influencing the political system. . Cheap gas, closing its eyes on its re-export, various economic preferences, cheap loans, etc. essentially laid down the foundation of a purely anti-Russian and Russophobic public education, for so far in Moscow primitive Chubais’s little ideas on the subject of “liberal empire” and economic control over the former republics The USSR, the Americans for years brought up the anti-Russian elite and youth. Over the 23 of the year, they brought up a whole generation of politicians targeting Washington and Brussels. They brought up a whole generation of youth, for whom Russia is the main ideological and ideological enemy. Extensive information networks controlled by the media, agents of influence were created and control was established over a part of the power apparatus of Ukraine.

We love to make fun of the servility of Bandera in front of the American ambassadors, who by phone distribute instructions to Ukrainian officials. There is actually a little funny. The Americans are engaged in what Chernomyrdin and Zurab should do for good. Compare, say, the level of influence of Teft and Zurabov in Ukraine. This is one of the answers to the question of why the Americans seized the Ukraine, and Russia only the Crimea. Who is responsible for the fact that against the background of Tefta Zurab looks like a pathetic molecule in terms of the presence of levers of influence on what is happening in Ukraine.

Russia, if it tried to do the same thing as the Americans, did it clumsily in the style of “here's money for you, spin as you please” (and that part of the money was stolen locally by the local patriots, so to speak - by reference, the State Duma is 100 000 dollars for the development of the "Russian world", of which 20-30% are being sawn back in Moscow, about the same amount is crammed by local "leaders", and the remnants go to scanty rallies, exhibitions and other events for reporting that created the simulacrum, and not real pro-russian movement) or calling already departing the concepts of "Slavic brotherhood", "friendship of peoples" or amorphous ideas "in the vehicle integration." As a result, when it began to get to the point, as in 2004 or 2014, Moscow simply did not have the necessary tools to counter it. They were not there, because they do not form from the air - they have been prepared for years. This is actually one of the secrets of the success of Americans in organizing such coups - the ground has been prepared for them for years.

Therefore, it is not the fault of the population that these tools were not created. The Americans created them, Moscow did not. And this problem is precisely the time of Putin's rule, when under the stories of "rising from his knees", Russian policy in Ukraine was inadequate to the threats that were ripening here (although that Ukraine (not to be confused with the Ukrainian SSR) exists only and exclusively as the antithesis of Russia wrote many, including me). Moreover, these were threats not only for the local population, but also for Russia itself. Now they are trying to push this capital school into the “extreme houses”, which are also to blame for their present and future misfortunes, but they practically did not work with them. But the Americans in Western Ukraine and the Kiev elite were working for years and decades, which is why there is such a sad picture when they are tugging on the necessary threads again and again they put their own government in Ukraine, and the self-organization of the population of the South-East is only enough for very limited repulse

How it looks, illustrate by example. Even before the referendum in Crimea, major Russian media workers flew to Sevastopol (I don’t give their last names), a meeting was organized for local bloggers, journalists, IT people and other creators who participated in one form or another in support of the Crimean Spring. I was there too. Actually, what was the proposal, “Muscovites” wanted to deploy “anti-Maidan TV” (a full-fledged TV channel like “Gromadskoe TV”) on the basis of local specialists, that is, to create an informational counterbalance to the American “brainwash” at the expense of local cadres, for which even they were willing to give money from public funds. But since all this was supposed to be created from scratch, and there were a lot of difficulties, the idea as such was not realized. The most ridiculous and sad thing in this situation is that this “anti-Maidan TV” should have been created 2-3 a year ago, and not to look for freelancers in the provincial cities who would do what the American and European experts quickly do for 5-10 million euros deploying infrastructure information warfare. It is watching such belated reactions that you understand best of all that the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation, the fruit of extremely well-matched circumstances, under which sometimes there was not any serious and long-term work.

For an adequate response, real pro-Russian parties were required with serious financial support and orientation towards Moscow, long-term programs for educating the necessary personnel, the creation of youth patriotic organizations of a paramilitary nature, which, like the Bandera gangs, could be quickly transformed into armed irregular units. But all this was missed, with the result that - for some reason, there were no real pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine. The sad result is 14 years of Ukrainian politics, which there is no one to blame.
Therefore, when they talk about Putin’s “cunning plan” now, then frankly, it’s not at all compatible with the rather mediocre results of the global Russian strategy in Ukraine over the past 14 years. Here you can only recall the anecdote about Chapaev and clay, which is now carefully trying to portray in semi-official analytics.

Owing to the “extreme huts” and jambs of the previous policy, the Kremlin’s euphoria gradually began to dissipate against the background of increasing sanctions from the United States, which, while not being dangerous in themselves, meant an increase in direct conflict with the weakening, but still extremely dangerous world hegemon. Inertia "Crimea is ours!" nevertheless, the Kremlin was attracted to the continuation of actions aimed at the separation of New Russia. There was a certain org.podderzhka, and information pumping (in sizes smaller than the US), but by the end of April in this line there have been some fluctuations associated with the increasing pressure and the threat of real economic sanctions.

Some people forget that already in 2013, according to official statements from the Russian government, the economy was balancing somewhere between stagnation and recession. And the Crimea has not changed and could not change the serious economic problems in the economy of the Russian Federation (no less serious than in the economies of the United States and the EU). Sanctions and their consequences mean that the government will not even be able to gain a foothold at the turn of "stagnation" and the economic recession will become obvious (see the experience of Iran). Therefore, politics by politics, the Russian world by the Russian world, but the threat of an economic recession, which could lead to a breakdown of the political system, began to emerge clearly despite the temporary consolidation of society.

The decisive day, apparently, was 24 April, when, against the background of the assault on Slavyansk, the columns of the Ukrainian army began to move to the Donbass from Izyum and Zaporizhia. On the same day, Russian units that moved to the borders with Ukraine came into motion.
After lunch, in Moscow, a meeting of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine began with the participation of Putin, where the issue of the introduction of troops into Ukraine was resolved. And if anyone remembers the story of the failed Putin’s speech, it did not take place precisely because the decision to deploy troops was not made - both as a result of the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops, and in connection with threatening shouts from Brussels and Washington.

That is, at least in the period of April 24, the question of the actual entry of Russian troops existed without any tricky plans and was considered one of the possible reactions without regard to the “extreme houses” and “third levels of sanctions.” It was during the period before 24 the numbers in propaganda were popular theses that the Russian army would easily reach the Dnieper, what to spit on the USA, we would get to Lviv, and so on. Then there was a turn in the direction of "why not fight".
After April 24, external pressure on the Russian Federation was growing, and the support of the population in the Donbas was not growing fast enough. At the same time, the USA put in order the regime installed in Kiev, which in May passed to an open punitive operation in the Donbas in much more rigid forms than April 24, when Russia moved troops to the border.

Therefore, since May, despite the terrifying atrocities committed by the Nazis, the Kremlin has been extremely restrained, limiting itself to some unofficial support and public discontent. When in Kiev they were convinced that the United States was able to put enough pressure on the Russian Federation and that it abandoned the idea of ​​an immediate deployment of troops, the junta immediately began a full-fledged punitive operation, in which all possible means of fire destruction were already used, including Aviation, Tanks, heavy artillery and MLRS.
And Russia was forced to swallow it all, because circumstances have changed. Therefore, instead of troop movements, we see the concern of diplomats, and instead of slogans on the topic of reuniting the people and gathering lands, reflections on a cunning plan. Yes, and wide rallies of support for the DPR and LPR (ala Crimea) are not observed, there is no sign off.

His whole “trick” of the new information policy, besides the information cover of the previous failures of 2004 and 2014 and preserving the face of the threats of the West, is that indirect tacit support (which has been denied and will be denied) will not allow the military to neutralize the New Russia, but with This does not change the overwhelming superiority of the junta in technology.
Therefore, the current scenario is just the most convenient for the United States, since the conflict is being delayed (which Putin is trying to avoid under the tricky plan), forming an unhealing wound near the border with the Russian Federation (the civil war cannot just be stopped — the Americans have already achieved theirs) prerequisites for the deployment of American and NATO troops in Ukraine (NATO base in the Kharkiv region, while maintaining the current junta in power, the case 2-3 years).
At the same time, the Americans have advantages both in the case of the entry of Russian troops, and in the case of complete discharging of Moscow. Despite the loss of the Crimea, when playing the situation with the Donbas, they will benefit in any case, since either Putin collapses his consolidated stability by donating Donbass, or will be forced to get involved in the war on the left-bank Ukraine, carrying out its division, not peaceful, but militarily that the United States is quite satisfied, in terms of the designation of "enemy", under which you can beat the budgets for the Pentagon and the special services.

Russia acts precisely according to circumstances, depending on the changing situation. As a weaker imperialist state than the United States, Russia naturally seeks to evade a direct clash with the hegemon, as does an economically stronger China. Donbass in this matter becomes a hostage of this “policy according to circumstances”, when recharge goes so that the resistance does not end, but this recharge is completely inadequate for the implementation of the Kremlin’s March plans.

All this excites the patriotic public, which anticipates the discharge of Novorossia. Stories about “tricky plans” are designed to delay the moment of an open explosion of discontent that will destroy post-Crimean consolidation (as the crisis of 2008 of the year destroyed the consolidation of society after 888). At the same time, one should understand that the Kremlin is aware of the perniciousness of the fork of the decisions that the Americans are proposing - the war on the left bank will be extremely burdensome for the Russian economy and will allow the Americans to postpone their own collapse. Refusal of war means the gradual death of Novorossia and the subsequent split in Russian society, when a significant segment of the patriotic public will make sure that Putin is a traitor and will oppose the current system in any revolutionary upheavals. Coupled with the leftist, nationalist and liberal opposition, this creates a serious potential threat to the foundations of the Putin regime.

Therefore, instead of a clear drain or an explicit declaration of war, the Kremlin is trying to stay in an intermediate position, between an underlined peacefulness and tacit help, which is a "cunning plan." Like Yanukovych’s “cunning plan”, he has a single, but fatal flaw — he is too obvious and easy to play against him. That is why the fascists are so brazenly and cynically killing people, and the Americans just as cynically approve of it, because there is an understanding of the position of Russia and the steps against this position are quite understandable.

Russia loses about any reaction. Introduces troops - great, we get a comfortable war near the borders of a competitor, where you can earn money and weaken the enemy. It does not introduce — it receives an increase in internal tension and the collapse of right-conservative illusions, as well as the formation of an aggressive Russophobic state at its borders.
The hopes that the economy will catch up and people take to the streets against the junta are understandable, but do not take into account the fact that the regime has already openly turned to open terror against dissenters, which the Americans will close their eyes to, as it did in Egypt, allowing the military to kill several hundred Islamists . As far as possible, Kiev will be given money (as the last dose for a heroin addict) and will turn a blind eye to any atrocities. In the case of the capture of Donbass, the junta will naturally write off all the troubles on Russia and Putin, delaying its inevitable end. During this time, all the more or less pro-Russian and anti-fascist organizations will be cleaned up and under any scenarios, it will be extremely difficult for Russia to rely even on this extremely weak point of support. Therefore, delaying the existence of the fascist junta is clearly in favor of the United States, because every day of its activities, this is another day of the separation of Ukraine from Russia. The consequences of these days will then affect for many years and even decades.

Ultimately, the Kremlin will have to choose where the consequences will be less, and from the point of view of the self-survival of the Putin regime, both options for all their disadvantages are about the same and the basis of the decision whether to merge or not to merge Novorossia will be the question of consequences. All this is not part of some malicious intent connected with Putin’s unwillingness to accept the Donbass into Russia (he would be glad to accept him, but there are a number of foreign policy difficulties). All this is a consequence of the previous policy of Russia in the Ukrainian question. For this, the perishing militias are paying the price now, and Putin himself, forced to take decisions in a situation where there are no more positive steps for Russia. So I wouldn’t be surprised if in the foreseeable future Putin does bring in troops, although it’s not surprising if Moscow continues to “express concern” with the next crimes of the fascists.

Someone will say, is it too pessimistic? No, comrades, this is an objective reality with which it is necessary to reckon, in order not to harbor unnecessary illusions. Does this mean that our business is lost? Of course not. Personally, I am sure that the junta will be defeated and the perpetrators of bloody crimes will pay for them, including with their lives. When the events in Sevastopol began, which brought us all to where we are now - we acted without regard to Russia, because you just had to get up and fight, because sitting on the couches, it is difficult to change the story. As the classics said, in the fight you will find your right.

Regarding whether I am right on the subject of Putin’s “cunning plan”, I can only send them to those comrades who reproached me for criticizing Yanukovych’s “cunning plan”. As they say, well, where is Yanukovych now with his “plan”?
Well, there, time will tell who was right in the end.
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  1. -22
    7 June 2014 06: 43
    I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia.
    1. +27
      7 June 2014 06: 50
      I agree with the stated facts (almost), and with the conclusions from them, no, not at all.
      Lead us info war before (when needed) -mixed our media-that it’s a sin to conceal is not patriotic (remember 5 years ago ...) - and who started a tantrum for any reason, the main thing is that it would be negative, but upbringing?
      If such geeks as Tolokonnikova appeared, and for maintaining order on Bolotnaya, we were enlisted in the camp of "almost anti-democratic".
      And only NOW they decided to attend to the quality of the information provided.
      1. +8
        7 June 2014 11: 37
        And what has changed? The information is presented in a slightly different way, the goal remains the same, the people on TV are the same. Have they changed their ideology, changed their goals in life? Liberals stooped Putin, although he was rather who he was and remained, the usual fooling of the population in a hurray of patriotism, the zombie boy is working .---- "Compare, say, the level of influence of Teft and Zurabov in Ukraine. This is one of the answers to the question of why Americans seized Ukraine, and Russia only Crimea. Who is responsible for the fact that Zurabov, against the background of Tefta, looks like a pitiful molecule in terms of having leverage over what is happening in Ukraine. " homeland (as they understand it), but we mostly cheers for patriots, leavened, for show, that's the whole difference.
        1. +10
          7 June 2014 11: 54
          I will add: remember the activities of Zurabov at the post of the Ministry of Health of Russia, and the consequences of his activities: does not resemble anything?
          1. +13
            7 June 2014 13: 38
            Very interesting opinion.
            I read this blogger.
            And now, dear colleagues on the portal, help me answer 2 questions, who will finance the territory and feed the population tomorrow?
            What will happen to the territory in the fall?

            I have the following formal and informal introductory notes:
            1. There is no free fuel at all, according to some data, in Ukraine today it is possible to provide only 7-10% of the military equipment fleet.
            2. The sowing did not pass, there are no grain reserves, not yet from the word at all, but already there are problems.
            3. Negotiations on gas did not end to the end, and at the price of 180, dill is put to the cross.
            4. Russia did not enter into direct confrontation with America and the Euros. And the word "work" can have many shades, like the word "tourist" or "cornflower", for example.
            The blogger's conclusion may be acceptable if only forecast for a year or two. And we need to raise a generation whose brains are not bullied by liberal heresy, such as Moldova (Lithuania, Poland, etc.) - a sovereign country.
            And look at Pakistan - the former territorial and administrative part of India or Taiwan. There are many examples.
            1. +5
              7 June 2014 14: 14
              In general, I wonder which of those present (calling for the invasion of the Russian Federation in Ukraine) is ready for tomahawks falling into their homes, their cities? Nuclear strikes? Colorful mushrooms over the city center?

              Who is ready for the active phase of the long implicitly begun third world war?

              Who is ready to tear off the ass from the couch and go to pull the survivors out from under the rubble of the buildings, or put on an OKhZ, take an AK, and fight for their homeland in the face of overwhelming radiation?

              The bulk here are the stars who really do nothing, and are not going to do anything. Articles sofas mother @@@@@.

              There was a good moment that Crimea used, and prosral SE. The lost factor of surprise. Now it will be slow, and not as beautiful as in the Crimea.
            2. +4
              7 June 2014 14: 37
              I think that the most important conclusion has not been made, because these reasons were not even considered.
              And these reasons are purely economic, how the population of Ukraine will live (we don’t touch the Southeast) when the agreement with the EU is signed and executed when the price is not $ 286, and of course the issue of the embargo on cooperation with the Russian Federation of Ukraine in the military industry. Where and who will find the money so that the Ukrainian economy does not collapse. In my opinion this is the main question (pay attention I do not touch the military confrontation).
              1. +1
                8 June 2014 00: 36
                Let me ask you not to collapse the economy
                Ukraine, it is necessary again to pump billions of Russian into it !?
                Let the Ukrainians themselves think, since they elected the oligarch as president, they all the time vote for inadequate personalities, now outright pro-fascists.
                How they will live, they will ask from their Paroshenko!
            3. 77bob1973
              +2
              8 June 2014 00: 12
              And I can say that in any case, Russia did not lose, and the fact that we did not get involved in the Ukrainian toilet with a zombie population is already a plus and our money for gas would "cry", and the third package of sanctions would be ready, and the entire world community trumpeted would about Russia as an aggressor!
        2. +6
          8 June 2014 00: 21
          I don’t understand one thing, they invested $ 200 million in Ukraine, to whom and why, in order to receive Kravchukov, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and now the Commander-in-Chief of the right sector, Paroshenko, who believes that Russia is to blame for Ukraine’s troubles. Return the Crimea to him, he lit on the Maidan-Maydanuty banderlog and stayed!
          Hence his policy - the death of the Russian-speaking in Lugansk and Donetsk continues, after all, from the moment of the inauguration of Paroshenko’s blood of civilians, he didn’t stop the bloody massacre in the southeast today!
          And our jingoists are preoccupied with billions for gas !?
          What agreements, what gas discounts, what you can negotiate with people who hate us openly, why invest in Ukraine again so that Paroshenko is not the chocolate king, but becomes, like Tymoshenko, the gas emperor, and we again talk about new billions to the Russian people who sailed into the pocket of the Ukrainian oligarchs and raised their gas prices for the population.
          It would be better in Russia, these 200ml. invested in the same defense industry, otherwise this is cooperation with Ukraine, now it’s sideways for us.
          And the most incomprehensible is that in our Russia no one is responsible for where these billions went and what the Russian people received from this.
          Who was responsible for the failure of our policy in Ukraine !? Zurabov, no, he came again as an ambassador — nothing is clear: or we didn’t have more worthy ones !?
          Or he is not to blame, but then who, why such a foreign policy failure.!? Why in Ukraine over the past 23 years no one has become president, who would treat us with respect and be a good neighbor to us!
          Yes, it’s sad to admit that Americans really do everything for the prosperity of their country, they can be loved or disregarded, and sometimes even hated, but in fact they are more patriots towards their USA, hence they are the first in the world and this is a fact so far.
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        7 June 2014 16: 54
        Quote: mirag2
        I agree with the stated facts (almost), and with the conclusions from them, no, absolutely


        I completely agree with the article ... and the conclusions are normal, I would write more sharply. Just like it is !!! soldier
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          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            7 June 2014 21: 45
            Quote: AK-74-1
            So write!


            What's the point? belay The people chose, the people are satisfied .... the rating was already 85% recourse
            If you think that in 20 years in Ukraine you can turn your "brains" upside down, then you can't? wassat
            Quote: AK-74-1
            So write!

            Or if you agree with everything, "figure", a backpack and a "tiger" around your neck and forward! What am I.y.ts.a. crumple!


            I already ran my own soldier and for the Fatherland and for Russia soldier and I gave all the "debts" in full ... according to the oath ... and constitutional and international and sovereign soldier

            Quote: AK-74-1
            Explain why do we need to send troops there NOW?
            Why is it for us NOW?


            I never said that I needed it right now. The time when it was needed and it’s possible .. long ago .. pr.so.sr.a.l .. our VGK am

            Quote: AK-74-1
            Notice NOW - This is the Keyword!
            We have our own interests, and they consist in the fact that the Russian land, called NOW Ukraine, should be ours.


            You’re talking nonsense .. utterly crazy .. what is our land .. what is our Ukraine .. if you accidentally aren’t with our upper ones on Plyuka and then .. accidentally flew in? belay
            1. +1
              7 June 2014 22: 27
              Quote: vaf
              Such nonsense ...

              Have you tried to apply this term to your texts?
              You seem to be very humiliating to state your views clearly and clearly, respectfully towards the audience. For you on the site, all people a priori understand politics and economics worse than you, they just need to demonstrate your negative emotions and a whole bunch of "emoticons". We are unworthy of more.
            2. +1
              7 June 2014 23: 42
              Quote: vaf

              That is, the territory of Ukraine is foreign to you?
              Why then excite the people?
              Why advise the entry of troops into this territory?
              For what?

              I do not understand countries such as Romania, Bulgaria, Poland - these are stillborn pieces torn off in recent times from my country. In this case, I do not share the Russian Empire and the USSR.
              And then if you really only tremble with your tongue. That is quite possible I will have to actually comply with the order to liberate the territory of Ukraine.
              I remember the heady smell of tanks on the streets of German cities, I remember the smiling faces of the Germans giving flowers to our officers, and I also remember how all this changed dramatically. Literally in 3 months, and if in November 1991 I lost the country, in January 1992 I suddenly became an occupier from the Liberator soldier.
              And our tanks in the city of Germany are wonderful, this is the smell of fresh grass and land mixed with fuel, this is a phenomenal sensation of power, and also this is free beer and pork sausages (oh, youth).
      3. +1
        8 June 2014 00: 02
        Quote: mirag2
        I agree with the stated facts (almost), and with the conclusions from them, no, not at all.
        Lead us info war before (when needed) -mixed our media-that it’s a sin to conceal is not patriotic (remember 5 years ago ...) - and who started a tantrum for any reason, the main thing is that it would be negative, but upbringing?
        If such geeks as Tolokonnikova appeared, and for maintaining order on Bolotnaya, we were enlisted in the camp of "almost anti-democratic".
        And only NOW they decided to attend to the quality of the information provided.

        And it doesn’t matter what bothered us. The article is 100% true.
    2. +53
      7 June 2014 06: 56
      Quote: lexx2038
      I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia.


      I don’t really want to have Galicia in my composition, even if it remains independent and with all its indebtedness
      1. 120352
        +10
        7 June 2014 08: 39
        If Galicia is thoroughly cleaned, it can again become ours, as it was in the 13-14 centuries, until it received the Greek Catholic faith, with which the anti-Russian project began.
        1. +8
          7 June 2014 08: 45
          Quote: 120352
          If Galicia is thoroughly cleaned, it can again become ours, as it was in the 13-14 centuries, until it received the Greek Catholic faith, with which the anti-Russian project began.

          Do you propose to destroy the Uniate priests and their churches to burn? If not, how else?
          1. S_mirnov
            +7
            7 June 2014 09: 23
            Quote: Sid.74
            Do you propose to destroy the Uniate priests and their churches to burn? If not, how else?

            To begin with, improve the literacy of the population. To be able to live without religious tales.
            1. +3
              7 June 2014 09: 33
              Quote: S_mirnov
              To begin with, improve the literacy of the population. To be able to live without religious tales.

              The problem here is not in the faith itself, but in the "exclusive" church that was formed in opposition to the Moscow parish with the active support of the Nazis!
            2. soyuz-nik
              +8
              7 June 2014 10: 51
              Good health, I wish!

              If you were given a higher education, this does not mean that you received it ... (this is not specifically about you, Dear, but in general!). You might think that "do not download htoy ...", "... to Gilyaku", "glory to the nation ...", etc. The completely uneducated Bandera's supporters will bawl ... You might think that Yusch is an uneducated chock .... That's why they get higher education, to use it against Russia.

              There is a question: is TV good or evil? The correct answer to it sounds like this: the TV makes the fool dumber, and the smart one smarter. The "role" of a TV can be education, the Internet, and books ...

              At the "helm" is the psi.s.t.a.n.a. - all come from Harvard, Yale, Oxford and other top universities in the world. So what?

              Yes, and the Scripture says that the seed grows only on fertile soil, but on stones, clay, sand, swamp, etc. the seed does not germinate. So knowledge - give results under certain conditions. hi
              1. +2
                7 June 2014 11: 10
                Quote: soyuz-nik
                At the "helm" is the psi.s.t.a.n.a. - all come from Harvard, Yale, Oxford and other top universities in the world. So what?


                Like what ? The USA drives. We like it or not, but so far it is.
                1. tyrus
                  0
                  9 June 2014 12: 43
                  Of course they rule and the military budget is the most of them, but that is what our task is to move them!
            3. 0
              7 June 2014 12: 03
              Uv. Smirnov, if you are so literate, then study cosmological theories (hypotheses), understand the problems of fundamental physics, find an error due to which shreds of theories are not stitched into a single picture. I am sure (and I am sure because I see .... the monotony of your comments) that you do not have enough strength for this! Maximum, you can only repeat after Einstein: "God is sophisticated, but not malicious."
              Science deals with the description of the experience of the perceived world. Religion serves spiritual development. (Your right to choose the best development path)
              And the last question: why were all scientific discoveries adapted for war?
              (I did not appreciate the article, in the sense of negative more)
              1. rereture
                +1
                7 June 2014 12: 29
                find the error due to which shreds of theories are not stitched into a single picture


                Only the theory of relativity is not stitched together with quantum mechanics. But this is logical, you will not unscrew the M30 nut with tweezers, and you will not pick your wristwatch with pliers.


                And the last question: why were all scientific discoveries adapted for war?

                Because war is the engine of progress. And by the way, not all discoveries are adapted for war. Many discoveries were adapted primarily for industry. For example a steam engine, alternating current.
                1. -2
                  7 June 2014 13: 06
                  Quote: rereture
                  Only the theory of relativity is not stitched together with quantum mechanics.

                  - this, both the first and second, is from the course of general physics and for a long time, i.e. these are only one of the mastered tools that have their application.
                  Quote: rereture
                  war engine of progress

                  - stamp of propaganda, the stigma for ....
                  Or, why should we resent the inhumanity of the PSs of the aggels of war ?! We need to take care that these do not disappear ??! am
                  1. rereture
                    +3
                    7 June 2014 13: 15
                    Do not translate everything into an emotional plane.

                    - stamp of propaganda, the stigma for ....
                    Or, why should we resent the inhumanity of the PSs of the aggels of war ?!


                    For the first time I hear that this is a stamp of propaganda.
                    And where does the PS? And what about inhumanity? Did I say that war is good? Wars have always been and will be. Such as PS will disappear, others will come. The French defeated, the Germans came, the Germans were beaten, the third Reich came, the Americans came to beat the Reich. Beat the Americans come others.
                    1. 0
                      7 June 2014 13: 34
                      Quote: rereture
                      The French defeated, the Germans came, the Germans were beaten, the third Reich came, the Americans came to beat the Reich. Beat the Americans come others.

                      - and what is the conclusion? To beat or not to beat?
                      Quote: rereture
                      Did I say that war is good?
                      - if progress is mentioned in one line with the war, then immediately identify the sign between them, well, at least as a personal opinion. If the sign has not yet been identified, then just put a stamp.
                      1. rereture
                        +3
                        7 June 2014 13: 43
                        - and what is the conclusion? To beat or not to beat?


                        Beat and prepare for the coming of the next.
                      2. 0
                        7 June 2014 14: 18
                        I see communication becomes anecdotal: "Justify! my son" winked What is the strength of your confidence, what is the support?
                      3. rereture
                        0
                        7 June 2014 22: 36
                        What is the strength of your confidence, what is the support?


                        What exactly?

                        If in general, then relying on one’s own and another’s experience (first of all, one’s own experience, then previous generations, the experience of friends, etc.). On the knowledge that I got, and get.
                2. +1
                  7 June 2014 13: 24
                  Quote: rereture
                  discoveries were adapted primarily for industry.

                  - and here again the misunderstanding of the opponent! Did I put the sequence numbers of the application? I’m talking about the fact that the lack of spiritual development in the world turns technical development into a method of murder and forces others to spend their energy on the search for protection. It is unlikely that everyone will be able to achieve such spiritual development so as not to know more than wars. But, the rejection of spiritual development will lead to self-destruction! Soon!!
                  1. rereture
                    +2
                    7 June 2014 13: 40
                    It is possible to develop spiritually not only with the help of religion and faith. Philosophy is an example.

                    Of course, in order to use some kind of religion as a spiritual practice, churches, clergy, and religious ceremonies are not needed at all.

                    And no one refuses spiritual development. Just religion at the moment has exhausted itself. Instead of unifying people, it divides them.
                    Sorry that is messy.
                    1. 0
                      7 June 2014 14: 06
                      Quote: rereture
                      Philosophy is an example.

                      - And which of the philosophers has become your authority?
                      Where does his teaching lead?
                      Quote: rereture
                      churches, clergy, religious rites are not needed.

                      - and it already was and is where we are not welcome.
                      Can you try to live your own moral standards? Or is it necessary for a normal life to adopt a code of moral prohibitions by the whole society? Based on what?
                      How to explain unquestioned principles from "childhood"?
                      1. rereture
                        +2
                        7 June 2014 21: 07
                        Personally, I live by my moral standards.

                        Based on what?


                        1. On the basis of universal principles, for example, killing just not comme il faut, for example, and people understood this even before the advent of religion.

                        2. The accumulated experience. All morality changes, no matter how you live according to medieval moral standards, we cannot, but we can learn certain lessons.

                        3. Situations. That is, one morality in everyday life, another in war.

                        How to explain unquestioned principles from "childhood"?


                        Definitely not a religion. A USUAL RUSSIAN LANGUAGE. That's all.

                        Tell me, why did the church "privatize" moral norms?
                      2. 0
                        7 June 2014 22: 48
                        Quote: rereture
                        Tell me, why did the church "privatize" moral norms?

                        You correctly applied the mention of the church, and not worshipers (worshipers are only transmitters of experience between generations). The church is a community of people professing the same moral principles. And how can one say at the same time that they privatized these norms? what
                        Quote: rereture
                        Personally, I live by my moral standards.
                        - And you did not "privatize" them? Don't they have an author? Are you really their author?
                        Do not use concepts about which you have no idea, do not stamp, think! This is to "universal human principles", which have not been accepted by all people! Not realized!
                      3. rereture
                        0
                        8 June 2014 00: 34
                        Dictionary of Ozhegova:

                        Church - An association of followers of a religion, religious organization; religious community


                        By church I meant organization.

                        I do not shout that my moral principles are truly correct and that there cannot be others a priori, unlike the church, priests, and holy scriptures. This is privatization. Example, the golden rule of morality: "Do not do to others what you do not wish for yourself." The ROC and Orthodox people claim that this moral principle came from Christianity. Although it was even before the emergence of religion as such.


                        Don't they have an author? Are you really their author?


                        There is no author, since no one will ever know where by whom and when they were worked out (perhaps then when people still did not know how to speak). And religion has nothing to do with the author or these moral standards. Is that a retelling of certain principles.

                        Do not apply concepts that you have no idea about, do not stamp, think!


                        Where do you think the stamp is?
            4. rereture
              +2
              7 June 2014 12: 07
              To begin with, we need to improve the literacy of the population in the Russian Federation, so that our people can live without religious fairy tales. I'm talking about Muslims and Orthodox. I am especially hinting at the so-called "consecration" of something. Technique, weapons, etc.


              Annotation to the book:

              "The book sets out the fundamental foundations of arithmetic, number theory, analyzes the current state of mathematics. Opening old knowledge, you are more and more convinced of what colossal destructive work has been done to destroy and distort the basic foundations of our worldview in the field of language, geometry and arithmetic. This has left an imprint on the rest of the sciences, evidence of this is the approaching catastrophe of our technocratic civilization. It is possible to break out of these tenacious bonds of false science and distorted knowledge only by understanding True Knowledge and establishing it on Earth. "
              1. -1
                8 June 2014 10: 00
                When a person speaks about religious fairy tales, it means that the part of the brain that is responsible for the person’s communication with God is atrophied (or killed by himself) in his head. You may have your own opinion, which no one is going to dispute, but we are discussing an article here, rather than conducting classes for the circle of atheists to them. Demyan Poor (aka Jacob Gubelman). The enemies of Russia in the world are deeply religious people (they do not doubt the existence of the Creator, but serve the fallen angel, hoping to receive eternal life and power over the world from him, because they can only destroy). And for some reason we have been fighting with the Creator for a hundred years, instead of fighting with them. But to fight with God is like peeing against the wind: at least something to the wind, and your pants are wet.
            5. +1
              7 June 2014 17: 49
              Quote: S_mirnov
              improve literacy. To be able to live without religious tales.
              Do you consider yourself more literate than the founders of quantum mechanics M. Born, W. Heisenberg and dozens, hundreds of other world-famous scientists who believe in God? Max Born: "Many scientists believe in God. Those who say that studying the sciences makes a person an atheist are probably some funny people."
              1. rereture
                +2
                7 June 2014 21: 36
                You do not compare scientists of the 19-20 centuries, and modern. Let's go even further. Newton, for example, was a very, very religious person, and if you go even further, Copernicus was a religious person. And they nearly burned him.

                Here are 10 Russian scientists opposing the clericalization of our society: E. Alexandrov, J. Alferov, G. Abelev, L. Barkov, A. Vorobyov, V. Ginzburg, S. Inge-Vechtomov, E. Kruglyakov, M. Sadovsky, A. Turtle.

                These scientists wrote a letter to Putin. You can read.
                http://old.novayagazeta.ru/data/2007/kentavr03/00.html
          2. +7
            7 June 2014 09: 23
            "Do you propose to destroy the Uniatsk priests and burn their churches?" It is not necessary to destroy and burn, but it must be borne in mind that those who at one time betrayed their Faith for a "delicious gingerbread" will go to any filthiness in order to excuse themselves.
        2. +11
          7 June 2014 09: 34
          If you clean Galicia well
          And who will clean 10-15 ml of burnt Russophobia? I may not mind. But it will definitely be the genocide of the entire Galician people. Without them, the world will become cleaner, but no one will take on such responsibility.
          1. soyuz-nik
            +2
            7 June 2014 10: 57
            I wish you good health! I agree! Moreover, IMHO, such a purge can be a pretext for all "civilized" humanity to equate Putin with Hitler, and Russia with Nazi Germany, and this will be an excellent reason for NATO to attack Russia. The Balts and dill will screech loudest.
          2. +4
            7 June 2014 11: 27
            No need to kill / clean anyone. They need to open the border to Europe ... and they will clean out toilets there with a blissful smile of freedom on their faces.
      2. +2
        7 June 2014 11: 33
        In Ukraine, most people are normal, adequate, and do not want to fight, which was used by the militant thugs from the extreme western regions, who are essentially not Russian, but Hungarian-Pole hybrids. But soon normal people, having drunk a full Galitchan happiness, will understand that there is nowhere to endure, and there will be no trace of all this wickedness who will not have time to fade away (not for nothing that half of them have foreign passports) will die for the "idea." All the rest will follow the path of the Eastern Ukrainians.
        1. 0
          7 June 2014 11: 57
          something going for a long time ... negative
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      4. 0
        7 June 2014 20: 12
        I join completely and completely, there is no need to re-educate them, let Hungarians or Romanians play with them in kindergarten, children will grow up and cut their throats belay
      5. 77bob1973
        0
        8 June 2014 00: 33
        And where did we lose Ukraine, maybe it sailed off and is sailing towards the Gulf of Mexico? Powders come and go, the Americans overseas and Russia at hand, as it was and will remain!
    3. vladsolo56
      +6
      7 June 2014 07: 08
      Well, so cunning that he outwitted himself. do not make people laugh.
      1. +8
        7 June 2014 08: 36
        Colonel Cassad is an interesting author, and he has an informative blog on LiveJournal, I often carry information from him! But how can you judge if you have a plan or not, if at least you are not in the General Staff! The author is based on the information that he receives from ordinary militias! The same Strelkov didn’t fall from the sky! Who in his right mind will shoot the office! So personally, I will raise my hands! request
        And as for the Crimea, yes, this is a combination of circumstances and interests, thanks to which the Crimea returned to the fold of Russia!
        1. +20
          7 June 2014 09: 55
          A very interesting article, with a sobering analysis of the situation, it's a pity that the uryakalka minus it. But I still disagree about drawing an analogy between "Putin's cunning plan" and "Yanukovych's cunning plan", nevertheless, Putin is a very strong leader, and Yanukovych is a pathetic rag, and this was evident from the very beginning of these events.
          1. +4
            7 June 2014 10: 27
            Yanukovych is not a Putin-scale person at all ... he is a local criminal authority.
          2. optimist
            +8
            7 June 2014 11: 33
            Quote: Letun
            it’s a pity that the fools made it a bit worse.

            Judging by the ratio of "pluses" and "minuses", there are more thoughtful and adequate people on this resource than "zaputintsy". The near future will show whether the author is right or not. But the general picture he outlined in this article looks very plausible ...
            1. +5
              7 June 2014 11: 47
              Quote: optimist
              Judging by the ratio of "pluses" and "minuses", there are more thoughtful and adequate people on this resource than "zaputintsy"


              I don’t know how you got there! And I have a rally with huge St. George ribbons and the flag of the DPR, the slogan RODINA FREEDOM OF PUTIN! OUR COUNTRY IS OUR RULES !!!
              tongue
        2. +5
          7 June 2014 10: 15
          What a wonderful time! Anyone who has learned how to put words into sentences thinks of themselves as an "expert" in everything. The author compared the "cunning plans" of Putin and Yanukovych. Dear author, this comparison, to put it mildly, is not correct. These two people, in terms of the thought process, are in different weight classes. Dear author, on this resource, a year or a year and a half ago, they talked and discussed the fact that the policy of sitting on two chairs at Yanukovych will soon break the ZA.DNITS.
          As for Putin's "cunning plan". Friends, Putin has repeatedly said that Russia needs a friendly, non-aligned Ukraine, and preferably as a whole. This article is from the category of fused polymers. Similar articles appeared before the annexation of Crimea.
          1. yulka2980
            +2
            7 June 2014 16: 44
            I totally agree with you! Tired of reading homegrown writers, everyone wants both. power and the president! Cho, do you need a second Maidan? Go on and get it! It seems that half the insane on the site write!
      2. +9
        7 June 2014 08: 37
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Well, so cunning that he outwitted himself. do not make people laugh.

        So how should it be?
        Count carefully and teach how to in order to send troops to the Donbass, and to preserve trade with the West, and to add pensions, and so, God forbid, the achieved level of consumption has not fallen.
        Some of our patriots will feel the consequences of the war a little in their own skin - and they will bring us to New Russia. Yes
        1. 0
          8 June 2014 14: 49
          Troops in Donbass are not needed ..... We need a no-fly zone, provided both on the ground and air defense systems ... And there are more than enough reasons for this. Take at least Marinovka And treat long-range artillery with Point-U. And from the territory RF. The Metis-M and even the RPG handle the T-64 tanks. And remember that the DPR and LPR, though self-proclaimed, are states ..... No Ukraine anymore.
      3. S_mirnov
        +3
        7 June 2014 09: 30
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Well, so cunning that he outwitted himself. do not make people laugh.

        The tricks of our government, trying to mask the president’s inaction under a cunning plan, look extremely ridiculous.
        I believe that traders manage us, so they know how to pump money from the resort area of ​​Crimea and have taken it in their hands, and what they do with the factories of Lugansk and Donbas they do not know at all and do not see any profit there.
        They even destroy their plants, they don’t understand how to manage the production economy! Traders do not know how to create, only sell!

        "Rescuers report the discovery of two bodies under a collapsed slab at the ZIL plant." During the rescue operations under the rubble, two people with no signs of life were found, "the press service of the Russian Emergencies Ministry's Main Directorate for Moscow told Interfax.

        According to an employee of the press service, the slab collapsed during the dismantling work. "
        1. Tanechka-clever
          +8
          7 June 2014 11: 23
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Tricks of our power

          Quote: S_mirnov
          "Rescuers report finding two bodies

          Alexander You are not familiar with the author of the article, or maybe she wrote it together with him. They all mixed up in one heap - both power and safety measures, and why didn’t they add about the tragedy in Dagestan - it will be very suitable for your comment, because very little children died there.
          When I read such comments and even those that are plus, and I think - either they don’t want to think, or they read articles for a beer.
          Quote: S_mirnov
          They even destroy their plants
          - sounds loud, but I just want to ask such a smart guy, "Where are you looking or think that the Bolsheviks came to power by throwing" slogans "to the masses - since the beginning of the 90s I have been sick of such" male idle talk. "
          So the author of the article turns out to have something to blame for Russia, which invested 200 billion after the collapse of the USSR, and it turns out to be a trifle. And Putin - but only Ukraine began to build its "cunning plan" far from President Putin. And today their "cunning plan called" To deceive Russia "" is laid out on the table - money and cheap gas to Ukraine, as for friends, from Russia - from Ukraine towards Russia spitting, obscene words, terror against the Russian-speaking population of the southeast and Russian journalists and "doggy" love for the United States for the "reason" of American exceptionalism in the Ukrainian economy.
          1. S_mirnov
            0
            7 June 2014 12: 50
            Quote: Tanya-umunechka
            They all mixed up in one heap - both power and safety measures, and why didn’t they add about the tragedy in Dagestan

            You didn’t understand anything. While here they rassusolivat over who is right in Ukraine, in Moscow in the Tihar destroy ZIL. Safety here is nothing.
        2. Tanechka-clever
          0
          7 June 2014 11: 23
          Quote: S_mirnov
          Tricks of our power

          Quote: S_mirnov
          "Rescuers report finding two bodies

          Alexander You are not familiar with the author of the article, or maybe she wrote it together with him. They all mixed up in one heap - both power and safety measures, and why didn’t they add about the tragedy in Dagestan - it’s very suitable for your comment, because there very little children died.
          When I read such comments and even those that are plus, and I think - either they don’t want to think, or they read articles for a beer.
          Quote: S_mirnov
          They even destroy their plants
          - sounds loud, but I just want to ask such a smart guy, "Where are you looking or think that the Bolsheviks came to power by throwing" slogans "to the masses - since the beginning of the 90s I have been sick of such" male idle talk. "
          So the author of the article turns out to have something to blame for Russia, which invested 200 billion after the collapse of the USSR, and it turns out to be a trifle. And Putin - but only Ukraine began to build its "cunning plan" far from President Putin. And today their "cunning plan called" To deceive Russia "" is laid out on the table - money and cheap gas to Ukraine, as for friends, from Russia - from Ukraine towards Russia spitting, obscene words, terror against the Russian-speaking population of the southeast and Russian journalists and "doggy" love for the United States for the "reason" of American exceptionalism in the Ukrainian economy.
        3. yulka2980
          0
          7 June 2014 16: 47
          Did Putin personally tell you that he has a cunning plan?
      4. +7
        7 June 2014 09: 33
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Well, so cunning that he outwitted himself. do not make people laugh.


        Yesterday I also shoved a variant of the "cunning plan" - some laughed laughing (as expected) while others scratched their heads what .

        Here! To understand the "cunning plan" it is necessary to return to the speech of VVP about Russia's national idea. As the leader said, the idea is to develop Siberia and the Far East.
        And where to get people? I thought. From China? So 10 years will not pass since then Siberia will hold a referendum on joining the Celestial Empire. Central Asia - they are not trained in the Russian language and experience is crushing Moscow.
        In! Russian of Ukraine! And how to get them from Ukraine? Simply!
        We will promise them support, we will start, they will rise up there, and then quietly merge. What will happen to them? Right! They will begin to kill. And what will the Russians of Ukraine do? Right! They will run to Russia.
        So there will be 2-3 million refugees for the implementation of the Russian national idea!
        Tricky plan. laughing
        1. S_mirnov
          +5
          7 June 2014 09: 55
          Quote: SHILO
          So there will be 2-3 million refugees for the implementation of the Russian national idea!
          Tricky plan.

          Powerful muddy. And most importantly, you don’t have to take care of your own population fool !
          It’s very Kremlin style, we’ll bring the population from abroad. fool nothing personal - just a business.
        2. +1
          7 June 2014 09: 59
          Yes, it was necessary to think of such a thing, to arrange a civil war in the southeast, so that refugees would flee to Siberia and the Far East, this is a perverted consciousness of the capitalist, the national idea of ​​exploring territories that could not be mastered at one time, this is a business a project for budget development, building a society may be a national idea
        3. Tanechka-clever
          +2
          7 June 2014 11: 31
          Quote: SHILO
          So there will be 2-3 million refugees to implement the Russian national idea

          I would appreciate this humor if people didn’t die in the southeast today. If there wasn’t war there today
        4. Tanechka-clever
          -1
          7 June 2014 11: 31
          Quote: SHILO
          So there will be 2-3 million refugees to implement the Russian national idea

          I would appreciate this humor if people didn’t die in the southeast today. If there wasn’t war there today
          1. 0
            7 June 2014 11: 55
            Quote: Tanya-umunechka
            I would appreciate this humor


            Tanya. And where did you get the idea that this is humor? And about the feast during the plague
            ( if today people didn’t die in the southeast ) I don’t need to tell - Donetsk.
        5. +2
          7 June 2014 14: 49
          Quote: SHILO
          So there will be 2-3 million refugees for the implementation of the Russian national idea!

          - such a cunning can only be a monkey, the one that was cunning, but left naked ...
          Yeah, to resettle a couple of millions to Siberia, and put the same amount to guard the hot border, and lose forty million altogether. If it is not very pleasant to admit stupidity, then we must admit the insufficiency of the information known to you.
      5. +12
        7 June 2014 09: 53
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Well, so cunning that he outwitted himself. do not make people laugh.


        I would like to revive that pregnant woman who was raped and strangled with a wire in the trade union house in Odessa and tell her about this tricky plan.
        As one of Karamazov said, I do not accept world harmony if it is based on at least one killed infant. If there are so many victims, then either the plan is worthless, or it doesn’t exist.
        1. rereture
          -8
          7 June 2014 12: 18
          I would like to revive that pregnant woman who was raped and strangled with a wire in the trade union house in Odessa and tell her about this tricky plan.


          A little clarification.

          1. She was not pregnant (old overweight woman, and such a position of the body)

          2. She was not raped (where did you get this information from?)

          3. Events in Odessa are muddy, they burned both Maydanuty and Atnimaydan residents in the house (personally, my version came to it by analyzing the photos)
          1. +5
            7 June 2014 12: 25
            rereture
            Do you really work as a pathologist in the Odessa morgue?
            If there is HERE that muddy - you, and your insulting statements about the burnt alive.
            http://etoonda.livejournal.com/74794.html
            1. rereture
              -5
              7 June 2014 13: 01
              I read, I saw. By the way, the guy has a fan scarf ultrass. Sorry now I can not find those photos. But in those photos of the supporters of federalization, there were people with St. George ribbons and red bandages (and a ribbon on his chest bandage on his arm), which I think were provocateurs, they had weapons. Also, the red bandages were at the cops who produced these red dressers. There are also burnt corpses of those people with red armbands (of course there are no armbands, but you can recognize them by their clothes). That is, provocateurs ran in a place with ordinary protesters (or someone had access through the back door), as well as people with red bandages threw Molotov cocktails from the roof. Yes, and inside there was a sweep, possibly with shooting, since one of these red dressers was lying with a shot Bosko, that is, the pravoseki killed everyone: their own, those of others.
              I can not find the photo. But such types (like in the photo) were among the supporters of federalization. And among the corpses too.

              If everything is messy, sorry. I wanted to put more information quickly.

              If there is HERE that muddy - you, and your insulting statements about the burnt alive.

              I did not insult anyone. If you deny that there were no provocateurs and not one law-breakers among the co-mates in Odessa, then consider it.
            2. +2
              7 June 2014 14: 24
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Do you really work as a pathologist in the Odessa morgue?

              Ilyich, I confirm! hiThe woman was not pregnant, and indeed aged! And indeed there were dead people, one for sure! There were a lot of debriefings, photos were before and after! At first, the separatist was waiting for me! I won’t look for a photo, take pity on my nerves, and post it on the site not allowed!
              1. +5
                7 June 2014 14: 34
                Quote: Sid.74
                take pity on my nerves, and this site can not be posted!

                The topic of Odessa Khatyn is not subject to discussion. In terms of showdowns, except for women and children, they were burned alive and killed by the Nazis in ANY guise!
                The "civilized world" still does not believe that THIS could happen in a country that, according to the dialectical press, is so striving for the world of freedoms and human rights.
                In Odessa, they PERFORMED what Goebbels said was called "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it ...".
                1. +2
                  7 June 2014 14: 47
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  In terms of disassembling whom

                  The very situation and the details of all this atrocity! recourse
                  There are just a few facts, the woman was not pregnant and there was definitely one killed Maydan! Everyone else disputes the atrocities! hi
              2. -1
                7 June 2014 14: 57
                Quote: Sid.74
                The woman was not pregnant, and indeed aged!

                Well, it was visible even to the blind and to the touch, only to the first channel. (although the fact of death is terrible) - but the propaganda

                Quote: stalkerwalker
                In Odessa they PERFORMED what Goebbels said was called "The more monstrous the lie, the more willingly they believe in it ..."

                And on both sides.
                You see, there are probably more Odessaites and their relatives in Israel than in Odessa itself. And judging by the comments from the field - they lie in both Russian and Ukrainian. TV.
                1. +5
                  7 June 2014 15: 19
                  Quote: atalef
                  You see, there are probably more Odessaites and their relatives in Israel than in Odessa itself. And judging by the comments from the field - they lie in both Russian and Ukrainian. TV.

                  Propaganda and counter-propaganda.
                  Any lies cannot be explained. Cui prodest?
                2. +2
                  7 June 2014 16: 47
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, it was visible even to the blind and to the touch, only to the first channel. (although the fact of death is terrible) - but the propaganda

                  And you probably don’t have any propaganda, just selective, honest information? It’s a mistake and a mistake, and it’s not at all a fact that it’s a deliberate lie!
                  Surely, in this regard, they outdid the whole world and said nothing at all about the events in Odessa! And about the homing MANPADS on a nonexistent air conditioner in Lugansk I’m completely silent like that! But of course we have the worst propaganda !!! am
                  1. -6
                    7 June 2014 17: 15
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    you probably do not have any propaganda, only selected honest information?

                    No one has the most honest information, maybe even talking with relatives - you get their view of the situation. Therefore, we can talk about facts or even very rude pranks. A photo of a pregnant woman killed was one of the facts of an outright lie

                    Quote: Sid.74
                    Already hardened in this regard, they outdid the whole world and said nothing at all about the events in Odessa!

                    I say again, until there is an independent investigation (if it is possible at all now) - no one will know the truth. Odessans themselves comment on these events ambiguously and the fact that Odessa for some reason did not rise after this event speaks of ambiguity.
                    And who was there and what exactly happened - while one big question

                    Quote: Sid.74
                    And as for the homing MANPADS shell on a non-existent air conditioner in Lugansk, I am generally silent!

                    One example of a lie.
                    Do you want to remind you of a lie on the other hand?
                    I say again - everyone lies and the Russian media - the same

                    Quote: Sid.74
                    ! And the golden eagle shot the golden eagle, and Muzychko shot himself, and the inhabitants of Odessa set themselves on fire

                    And Baba caught a Negro spy, and more than 200 English-speaking mercenaries were laid down, and the right sector in the Crimea, and the Pravosekov detachments - cutting out the Donbass and executions of the National Guards refusing to fight - do you hear about this for the first time? Well, how --- is everything true?

                    Quote: Sid.74
                    But of course we have the worst propaganda !!!

                    Both sides are good.
                    Only Russia's position (sorry) is initially weak.
                    She crawls into the affairs of a neighboring independent state, allows armed people to freely cross the border, and supplies weapons and intelligence. provides money, provides propaganda support.
                    I am not saying who is right, who is to blame. I ask what is it called?
                    Read the Thunderous articles, exchange Russia for Turkey, and Ukraine for Syria ---, as with the analogies? Now find the 5 differences. laughing
                    1. +6
                      7 June 2014 17: 24
                      Quote: atalef
                      Read the Thunderous articles, exchange Russia for Turkey, and Ukraine for Syria ---, as with the analogies? Now find the 5 differences.

                      There is logic ... Only no one "sanctions" Turkey, as well as the suppliers of dough, as well as the suppliers of weapons for this loot. Or am I missing something? And the US was sanctioned under the auspices of the UN for supporting the anti-Assad coalition, in which Al-Qaeda is officially fighting?
                      I do not mention Israeli interests in this mess ...
                      1. -4
                        7 June 2014 17: 44
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        There is logic ... Only no one "sanctions" Turkey

                        Russia can sanction if it wants. Her full right. Russia, like the UN, doesn’t bring Russia under sanctions, while the Americans and the EU are not UN sanctions, but exactly the same sanctions as any state can establish. Well, let's say how Russia holds (or held) Georgia under sanctions
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And the United States was sanctioned under the auspices of the UN for supporting the anti-Assad coalition in which Al-Qaeda is officially fighting

                        Once again I say - do not confuse UN sanctions and sanctions that any state can impose in relation to the second.
                        The only difference is that UN sanctions are mandatory for all states of the world, and so - well, the US does not trade with Cuba, so what?
                      2. 0
                        7 June 2014 17: 47
                        Quote: atalef
                        The only difference is that UN sanctions are binding on all states of the world.

                        In addition to Israel, this is the UN to one place! laughing
                      3. 0
                        7 June 2014 17: 50
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        In addition to Israel, this is the UN to one place!


                        Well, smoothly moved to Israel.
                        In Crimea, did we drink the same water?
                      4. +3
                        7 June 2014 17: 52
                        Quote: atalef
                        In Crimea, did we drink the same water?

                        By golly ... I didn’t want to ... But after all - as I looked into the water! laughing
                      5. +1
                        7 June 2014 18: 00
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        By golly ... I didn’t want to ... But after all - as I looked into the water!

                        I didn’t want to drink, but just looked? wassat
                      6. +3
                        7 June 2014 17: 59
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, smoothly moved to Israel.
                        In Crimea, did we drink the same water?

                        Not there is not Israel there Kolomoisky!laughing Well, you yourself have surely said for all the fulfillment of requirements from the UN! How many times have you extended the UN? lol
                      7. 0
                        7 June 2014 18: 23
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, smoothly moved to Israel.
                        In Crimea, did we drink the same water?

                        Not there is not Israel there Kolomoisky!laughing Well, you yourself have surely said for all the fulfillment of requirements from the UN! How many times have you extended the UN? lol

                        Well, push the Americans and the EU - who is stopping that?
                      8. 0
                        7 June 2014 18: 26
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, push the Americans and the EU - who is stopping that?

                        Oh, who would know! Well, we are like in the UN Security Council! Not comme il faut somehow recourse
                      9. +1
                        7 June 2014 18: 47
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, push the Americans and the EU - who is stopping that?

                        Oh, who would know! Well, we are like in the UN Security Council! Not comme il faut somehow recourse


                        UN against Russia a priori can not impose sanctions because the sanctions are approved only by the Security Council, and Russia has a veto
                    2. +2
                      7 June 2014 17: 31
                      Quote: atalef
                      Only Russia's position (sorry) is initially weak.
                      She crawls into the affairs of a neighboring independent state, allows armed people to freely cross the border, and supplies weapons and intelligence. provides money, provides propaganda support.

                      Independent? But the EU and the USA were not aisles, all mother Russia is to blame! The more the nanny was independent from her head, the more her economy was squeezed!what
                      Quote: atalef
                      I am not saying who is right, who is to blame. I ask what is it called?

                      Civil war is! Russians are fighting with Russians who forgot that they are Russians!
                      Quote: atalef
                      Read the Thunderous articles, exchange Russia for Turkey, and Ukraine for Syria ---, as with the analogies? Now find the 5 differences. laughing

                      Oh oh! And give you the Ottoman Empire at hand !!! laughing
                      Quote: atalef
                      And Babai caught the Negro spy, and they laid already over 200 English-speaking mercenaries, and the right sector in the Crimea, and the Pravosek detachments - cutting out the Donbass and executions of the National Guards refusing to fight - do you hear about this for the first time? Well, how --- is everything true?

                      In any case! It’s an inform war! Exaggerating the opposing side about victories is normal and belittling its losses is normal! But there are real scary things, and shootings from the turntables of your soldiers and the women killed in Lugansk! Hair stands on end!
                      1. 0
                        7 June 2014 17: 48
                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Independent?

                        Independent. Sorry - but Ukraine is an independent state, a member of the UN. whose independence is recognized by Russia including

                        Quote: Sid.74
                        And the EU and the US are not aisles, all Russia mother is to blame

                        The difference is that as the EU and the States can introduce annexations against Russia, and vice versa, only Russia for some reason does not want to introduce them, but could

                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Civil war is! Russians are fighting with Russians who forgot that they are Russians

                        This is a civil war. By the way, and the Russians (well, who forgot that they are Russian) - on which side of the barricades?
                        By the way, the Ukrainian nationality no longer exists?

                        Quote: Sid.74
                        Oh oh! And give you the Ottoman Empire at hand !!!

                        And on the topic?
                      2. +2
                        7 June 2014 18: 16
                        Quote: atalef
                        The difference is that as the EU and the States can introduce annexations against Russia, and vice versa, only Russia for some reason does not want to introduce them, but could

                        Could probably only the amount is relatively small in mutual circulation!
                        Quote: atalef
                        and the Russians (well, who forgot that they are Russian) - on which side of the barricades?

                        Zapadentsy clear stump, guardians for a unitary Europe and the abolition of the Russian language!
                        Quote: atalef
                        By the way, the Ukrainian nationality no longer exists?

                        Does Ural nationality exist or is there a Siberian nationality?
                        Quote: atalef
                        And on the topic?
                        Well, it was about Turkey’s help to Syria, which was once in the Ottoman Empire! And in the future, Turkey, taking Syria, will gradually regain territory turning into the Ottoman Empire and then will be adjacent to Israel! Isn’t it?
                      3. 0
                        8 June 2014 12: 57
                        Sorry to get in. Is a Jew a nationality? Or maybe there is such a nationality - Israeli? Then all the Jews are only in Israel, and Mr. Kolomoisky - who? Ukrainian? Then Vladimir Solovyov is definitely Russian. Or maybe he’s still a Jew? But they, for some reason, on opposite sides of the barricades! But aren't Jews leading Russia? Tell me at least a dozen Russians without a Jewish mom or dad in the power of Russia! It’s just that your Jewish guys captured posts in almost all the major countries of the world with the help of money, and now they share grandmothers among themselves, biting people.
                    3. +3
                      7 June 2014 20: 26
                      Quote: atalef
                      No one has honest information

                      I read your comment and am tempted by contact with something pure and immaculate, but there is one thing, but it’s not so, is it true? To tidy up your smoothed and strangled syllable and get out of it, God forbid ... Still, they understand that there is an information war , the stakes are high, we oppose fascism. Do you like fascism or maybe you like idealized fetishes like honesty, justice, freedom? Ideas and concepts elevated to the absurd absolute? Not sure what you understood, however ... Maybe this is your game, in such a fool to breed loshka here is possible. Perhaps you are just confused. The lives and souls of people are more important than ideas, the national interests of Russia are more important than ideas - you should know this. There is a war that we could not do without blood and dirt, but all this for the sake of saving all of us. Want to be clean, you can’t sit aside, as in this case you will play into the hands of Natsiks, but this is your choice, however, they will not let you treat here on the forum.
          2. Tanechka-clever
            0
            8 June 2014 18: 38
            Quote: rereture
            She was not pregnant


            Yes, there is another, but no less terrifying, detail - it was poisoned, and the pose was like that because they scoffed, or rather tortured, and got pleasure from it. If you sought this truth, then I voiced it to you. The truth in the House of Trade Unions is so scary that it is hard for a normal person and a weak psyche to endure, but it’s better not to hear and not to know. Let the professionals work and punish the villains.
    4. 120352
      +6
      7 June 2014 08: 35
      lexx
      You are not entirely correct. Ukraine will be Russia AGAIN. Or it will cease to be altogether. An eternally immature state, which has repeatedly proved its independence, simply cannot live without Russian tutelage. All other "guardians" will simply devour her, beckoning with an unrealizable fairy tale for the faint-hearted freeloaders to join the EU, where no one will ever accept her. There are more than enough statements by Western politicians on this matter.
      But in order to be able to again lean against the powerful, reliable shoulder of Russia, Ukraine will have to regain its identity, i.e. become Russian again. This is necessary so that the fooled Russians living on the outskirts of the Russian State do not try again to oppose the MYSELF to MYSELF. Otherwise, we do not need Ukrainians as anti-Russians. And they were originally invented to oppose Russia.
      1. +1
        7 June 2014 09: 12
        He will not, there will be no second Bogdan Khmelnitsky, and the zapadents are the coolest thing, they say that Bogdan was wrong, the oligarchy there needs to be demolished for this, and who will do it, in general there are a lot of personalities that are missing for actions and it’s sad
    5. 0
      7 June 2014 09: 44
      The author clearly underestimates our leadership ...
    6. +11
      7 June 2014 09: 51
      Remarkable article: Articles by Cassad and Wasserman are probably all sensible that was published on this site on this issue. Indeed, they hoaxed hoaxes with cunning plans, attempts to accuse the Ukrainian people of supporting the pro-American regime and participating in a punitive action. We are to blame for situation in Ukraine, Putin’s long-term inaction led to the unfolding of a tragic scenario. And now the policy of the authorities remains astonishing, because instead of providing full-fledged assistance to New Russia, we are doing something like this, anyhow. Such a half-hearted policy could lead to a situation in the future when only the introduction of troops will allow Ukraine to return to the sphere of the Russian world.
      1. +3
        7 June 2014 10: 12
        Oh, it seems the case is moving, in my place in Magnitogorsk the meeting seems to be in support of the DPR! Everyone remembers how the rallies ended in support of the Crimea? winked
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      3. +3
        7 June 2014 12: 24
        Hunger. The winter famine "will return Ukraine to the sphere of the Russian world." No troops, no blood. War provocateurs or people who do not want to think call for war. Want to fight? Forward, across the border. There are volunteers there.
        1. 0
          7 June 2014 15: 23
          And where does the hunger come from ?? A good crop is planned.
          1. yulka2980
            +2
            7 June 2014 16: 56
            Do you mean dill and radish on the Maidan? laughing
        2. 0
          8 June 2014 15: 00
          If volunteers survive before winter, in this situation
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      5. yulka2980
        0
        7 June 2014 16: 55
        That is, do you think Putin should have seized Ukro.pi for a long time? What do you mean by many years of inaction? The fact that we fed them for almost a hundred years?
    7. +1
      7 June 2014 10: 13
      lexx2038 RU Today, 06:43 AM
      "" I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia. "
      .. on the reverse of Russian gas from Europe to Ukraine .. or on a cunning Jo, there is a bolt with a screw .. and all the trick ..
      “But there is one more circumstance that all of us and our European friends and partners must take into account - the risk of non-payment remains very high, and if someone thinks that it is possible to solve the problems of energy supply to Ukraine through reverse supplies, then they are deeply mistaken.

      In two circumstances: First, if we see that someone violates our gas supply contracts, we will reduce the volume, and the physical volumes on the European market will simply not be enough, just will not be enough. This is the first.

      And secondly, high risks of non-payment remain, given that the Ukrainian economy is in a difficult situation, and these risks of non-payment will then completely fall on the shoulders of our European partners. I think that nobody wants this in Europe. ""
      http://www.kremlin.ru/news/45869
    8. +4
      7 June 2014 10: 24
      the guys’s conclusion is shorter: we’ll introduce bad troops, that we won’t introduce bad ones, and bad for Donbass because we don’t enter ... you have to enter and you have to enter .., but to be good for the West ... not comme il faut
    9. +1
      7 June 2014 11: 19
      lexx2038 RU Today, 06:43 AM
      I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia. "
      So Lukashenko threw Poroshenko to the inauguration. federation in Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov. He modestly left the exit from the hall of official delegations, got into his Mercedes and, accompanied only by the security of his embassy, ​​went to his residence. "
      http://www.unian.net/politics/926429-na-inauguratsiyu-poroshenko-lukashenko-prie
      hal-v-shikarnom-korteje-smi.html
      ..with this landing, Old Man is a threat of tailwind ???
      1. +5
        7 June 2014 15: 49
        Old Man acts as an intermediary and mishandled Cossack at the same time. the Ukrainian president recognized, but the fact that he is unequivocal with us is also a member of the Eurasian Economic Union. It’s just that you can influence ukrov through it, or if relations with Ukraine are broken, transfer our conditions. Zurabov is zero and no offers or conditions will be transmitted, all the more so our diplomats will always be on the hook there and no one will shine with them. Our real ambassador is Lukashenko, who has quite comfortable relations in Ukraine. Why in recent years have not been engaged in Ukraine? So it wasn’t before, there was a country in ruins, especially Ukrainians blackmailed us with the Black Sea Fleet and gas transit. Any of our movement on the domestic political field of Ukraine would have come back to us, so they put up with it. Our main steps in relation to ukrshantage are the construction of the northern stream and the breaking of the southern stream, the equipment of the Novorossiysk harbor for relocation of the Black Sea Fleet and the reserve in Sukhumi. Ukraine has been balancing between us and NATO for a long time and any steps could push it into NATO, so useless people were sent there. If we had begun active steps to attract the people of Ukraine, then its pro-Western elite, having sensed danger, would have immediately broken through entry into NATO and other hostile steps. Now another situation has arisen due to the stupidity of the amers and allowed us to solve the problem of Crimea and get rid of the main threat of blackmail - the Black Sea Fleet. By the way, the GDP mocked me great when I ordered to give almost all the ships to Ukraine, and Ukraine got into a situation which blackmailed us. The harbor of Odessa is clogged with ships and does not have the ability to contain them, it would be if our Black Sea Fleet had earlier been driven out of Crimea to Novorossiysk with us. We will drag time with gas until the euro puts pressure on ukrov, fearing to be left without gas, and will finally solve the problem in December next year after the launch of jupp. In New Russia, we do not need a quick victory, which will turn into a defeat, but we need a war in which the Ukrainians will put all their strength and capabilities, and they will not be able to win. New Russia will be independent, while within the borders of 2 regions, and will expand over time {not tomorrow - the day after tomorrow, but about a favorable moment}. It is stupid to rush here, as it is not so necessary as Crimea, but the result will be the same. There are no more restraining barriers and we will begin work on attracting ukrov from the inside in the near future. Well, that’s all I wanted to point out on this article.
        1. +1
          7 June 2014 15: 52
          g1v2 RU Today, 15:49 ↑ New
          Old Man plays the role of a mediator and a sent Cossack at the same time .. "..Stirlitz-2?
          ..insurance rules people ..
        2. +1
          7 June 2014 22: 53
          I would like to believe in it !!! +
          But I think the GDP does not write comments on our site, and his opinion, as well as further actions for us, is just a matter of conjecture and reasoning. Shoigu unfortunately too ...
          But we all see that the frequency of exercises of our Armed Forces has increased DIFFERENTly, from the Strategic Rocket Forces to the railway (I don't know the exact abbreviation) today (it’s whether they train the Dnieper to force), then in my opinion, ANY options of events can be expected.
          1. 0
            8 June 2014 13: 17
            Yes, of course there will be a war. QUESTION ONLY AS SOON AND WITH WHO! So we are driving the troops, demonstrating their readiness and trying to delay the start date, trying to manage to rearm the army. In Ukraine, all of our politics was built on the orders of the United States: it’s a sin to hide, all these years our country has been ruled by people whose main task was the destruction of Russia as a powerful power and turning it into a country of not even a third, but some other world. And only now there were weak hopes for a rebirth. But most of the people from the pro-American team have not gone anywhere and are still in power. Therefore, alas, it is not necessary to wait for any cardinal changes in foreign policy. Instead, we see neat little steps. Apparently, only a future war will put everything in its place. And they will always pour mud on us. This is our cross.
    10. +6
      7 June 2014 11: 21
      Ukraine will not be Russia, but it will desperately want it. In the winter. Want it very much. Because of the disrupted sowing season, because of the next, hungry Maidan. And there is no need for commentators to sow panic. "The fall of Putin's rating"! With a little patience, Ukraine, this suitcase without a handle, will not be needed by the EU, and the US goals in the region will become clear even to independent scumbags. We will read the comments about the "betrayal of the revolution" by the EU and the US. No one will let these hungry hordes cross their borders. As a consolation, I can say that there will still be humanitarian aid to the southeast.
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    12. niklaus
      -1
      7 June 2014 11: 45
      Stupidity the author is unequivocal. Do not forget to put pressure on Putin, Russian friends and partners Kolomoisky, Firtish, Akhmerov, Poroshenko. The author wished the pride of readers of the patriots of the Russian spring.
      1. 0
        7 June 2014 11: 59
        Quote: nicklaus
        The author wished the pride of readers of the patriots of the Russian spring.

        The author has the most direct relation to Russian Spring!
    13. -2
      7 June 2014 13: 23
      Quote: lexx2038
      I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia.

      I think there is no plan (as being consistently developed and implemented).
      Maybe at the beginning there were hints - to raise the whole southeast and cut off Ukraine from the sea to connect with Transnistria, and in general it was visible from the beginning. Now, when everyone understands that this is not real, only parts of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions remain. Joining them to Russia will not play any piano (this does not solve the problem of Crimea cut off), does not give an outlet to the sea and Transnistria. .
      A plan is not a plan. and reacting to the situation (maybe there are a lot of unknowns in the equation).
      Question What does Russia need?
      Donbass and Lugansk - it is clear that no. and why? Dating regions. profit zilch - investments - not endlessly.
      The support of the people - practically absent - just go to the forums of the same Slavyansk or Donetsk and read comments.
      Donetsk and Lugansk in general, in addition to these cities, and even several settlements, do not control anyone.
      There are many more pluses, and even with the allies it’s not simple. Lukashenko speaks like that (see an interview with Sobchak) and came to the inauguration.
      In short, the minuses from continuing this booth in Ukraine for Russia are now much more than pluses.
      The bet on the separation of the Southeast did not justify itself. Ukrainians will slowly crush them.
      Yes, and Putin’s statements in recent days speak only of one thing --- Putin has reversed.
      We’ll see in the near future - but the rhetoric has weakened and this is noticeable to everyone.
      1. +3
        7 June 2014 14: 37
        Quote: atalef
        Putin backed up.
        We’ll see in the near future - but the rhetoric has weakened and this is noticeable to everyone.

        Putin does not suffer from excessive talkativeness. And whose rhetoric has weakened?
        1. +2
          7 June 2014 16: 37
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Putin does not suffer from excessive talkativeness.

          But it's you in vain (nothing on you?)
          Putin speaks a lot and, as a rule, everything he says is fulfilled.
          Why did I understand that they are being drained?
          Firstly
          The meeting with Poroshenko is not the case, such as they encountered in the sandbox - did not want to - did not meet, and the strech is generally de facto recognition (as well as the presence of the ambassador on the inauguration)
          2. Agree on gas and the GDP itself said that a compromise is possible
          3. Donetsk and Lugansk as legitimate authorities they were never mentioned, nor was there any actual recognition of the referendum
          4.No one appeal from Lugansk and Donetsk there was no clear answer
          5. The troops assigned
          6Well and his instruction today
          Vladimir Putin instructed the FSB border service of Russia to take all necessary measures to strengthen the state border security regime with Ukraine in order to exclude illegal crossings, the press service of the President of Russia told reporters.

          Talking about what?
          Quote: Sid.74
          Alexander again for everything our government is trying to speak

          I say only what the GDP and the government of the Russian Federation say
          1. +3
            7 June 2014 16: 48
            Quote: atalef
            I say only what the GDP and the government of the Russian Federation say

            One paragraph.
            GDP does not allow "catching yourself by the tongue" (the story with "green men - as an exception to the rule.) Therefore, there was no CONCRETE: neither by admission (there is nothing to admit so far, no matter how painful it sounds), nor by gas (the possibility of a compromise - these are options in all directions), neither by the troops (tactical groups on the border with the support of aviation - only I would not want a war. Kakli has already declared it. Why should Russia?), nor by today's instructions (you asked - I said, and there - so how it happened).
            1. 0
              7 June 2014 16: 57
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              GDP does not allow "catching yourself by the tongue" (the story with "green men - as an exception to the rule). Therefore, there was no CONCRETE:

              Why - everything is very specific, you just don’t like it and don’t want to see the obvious
              What is the point of wagging, if so everyone knows everything. No one plays cat cats
              Putin was announced to impose a third package of sanctions if he
              Does not recognize the legitimacy of Poroshenko
              won't stop the flow of weapons
              will not affect the seperatists (using their rhetoric)
              The result is visible in my opinion
              1. The presence of the ambassador at the inauguration
              2 Border Strengthening Order
              Soon there will be third ones i.e. all structures at least somehow related to the Russian Federation will leave Ukraine.
              Understand, no one catches the word - said, did not say. Everyone has quite powerful intelligence services and to form an opinion on what is really happening in Ukraine, they absolutely do not need Putin’s comments
              the third package of sanctions is sectoral, because of Donetsk and Lugansk - apart from Russia’s hemorrhoids that can’t bring anything — Putin will not completely drain the Russian economy, which is already in the Recession.
              Then the Crimea would be digested.
      2. 0
        7 June 2014 14: 43
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, and Putin’s statements in recent days speak only of one thing --- Putin has reversed.

        He says exactly what he said before! You, Alexander are trying to speak for all our government again! Putin is not the only person in our government, there is a general staff, there is intelligence, there are analysts! Have you watched Putin videos from France? And if your logic comes from Lugansk and Donetsk militias are really cooler than any Western special forces and all without any administrative resources! With one nona and a couple of RPGs, a mosinka and PPSh, they’ll hold back the hell knows how many PMCs and the entire Ukrainian army with armored vehicles, artillery and aviation! Greetings! hi
        1. +1
          7 June 2014 14: 53
          Quote: Sid.74
          ! Putin is not the only person in our government,

          Come on laughing

          Quote: Sid.74
          And if you proceed from your logic, then the Lugansk and Donetsk militias are really better than any Western special forces and all without any administrative resources!

          Of course. that without the Russian Federation there would be nothing there. But in the near future we'll see. I get the impression that they are already being drained

          Quote: Sid.74
          Greetings!

          Mutually hi
          1. +2
            7 June 2014 16: 09
            Quote: atalef
            But in the near future we'll see. I get the impression that they are already being drained

            Pleasant to the eye ... If such an ex-professional like you, such thoughts come ...
            Both sides (but not Ukraine) play by the rules "Is it me? Yes, you sho!"
            1. +1
              7 June 2014 16: 29
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Pleasant to the eye ... If such an ex-professional like you, such thoughts come ...

              I don’t know what is the connection with ex or without ex, but
              Vladimir Putin instructed the FSB border service of Russia to take all necessary measures to strengthen the state border security regime with Ukraine in order to exclude illegal crossings, the press service of the President of Russia told reporters.
              1. +3
                7 June 2014 16: 30
                Quote: atalef
                I don’t know what is the connection with ex or without ex, but

                Test ... test ... test ... wassat
                Quote: atalef
                Vladimir Putin instructed the FSB border service of Russia to take all necessary measures ...

                и

                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Both sides (but not Ukraine) play by the rules "Is it me? Yes, you sho!"
                1. 0
                  7 June 2014 17: 02
                  Understand correctly, for the imposition of sanctions do not need comments on the first channel or Ukrainian TV.
                  The situation is such that the West is initially on the side of Ukraine, therefore Poroshenko will initially have a stronger position and he will have to prove, and Putin will impose sanctions on Russia, not Ukraine.
                  Merkel and Cameron spoke unambiguously on this subject, and it certainly will not spoil relations with Germany (Germanophile Putin) because of Babai and Strelkov.
                  Understand correctly, this is not a meeting in court, where both parties will provide evidence, and the arbitral tribunal will judge who is right and who is to blame. NATO has enough funds to know the real state of affairs and the degree of Russia's involvement in the conflict.
                  1. +4
                    7 June 2014 17: 07
                    Quote: atalef
                    Get it right

                    Yes, I understand ...
                    And I want to believe in the best, because all-polymers got it - the situation changes every day like a pendulum. And depending on the position of the pendulum, here the same people (?) Write oppositely directed nonsense ...
          2. +1
            7 June 2014 17: 21
            Quote: atalef
            Of course. that without the Russian Federation there would be nothing there. But in the near future we'll see. I get the impression that they are already being drained

            But it seems to me that it should have looked like that! They say we don’t do anything at all! But the situation is so bad, and according to Poroshenko he doesn’t think to stop shelling! And you said they would cease to be fascists! There’s no way, they’re uncomfortable Donbass people! recourse
            1. -2
              7 June 2014 17: 31
              Quote: Sid.74
              And you said cease to be fascists

              If you are talking about me, then I didn’t say this, I generally take the word fascist very specifically (by the way ka and genocide) - therefore I think that among Ukrainians (as among other nationalities) there are a certain number of neo-fascists (and far from all Ukrainians no more power in Ukraine), but genocide is not there for sure.
              I love accurate phrasing, rather than throwing words or hanging cliches.
              Ukrainian nationalism differs little from Russian nationalism, and indeed many other nationalisms

              Quote: Sid.74
              No campaign, they are unnecessary intractable Donbass people!

              Understand, do not speak for the entire Donbass. Where are the miners? Why not at the barricades? In Donetsk - the city of a millionaire, one cannot gain self-defense.
              Lugansk and Donetsk regions - 4.5 million. But shooters cry every day - there are no volunteers.
              And you say the whole Donbass.
              Separate cities, and even that support is minimal.
              Do you know how easy it is to know the mood of the people? You type - Slavic - forum, Google - and here you go chats, comments, read, Slavs or Donetsk will not lie to themselves.
              http://torum.org/index.php?topic=7702.3015
              read, you will like it. This is a forum of Slavic
              1. +4
                7 June 2014 17: 34
                Quote: atalef
                This is a forum of Slavic

                Come on ... Slavyansk ... Then our forum is the Kremlin forum?
                1. 0
                  7 June 2014 17: 39
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Quote: atalef
                  This is a forum of Slavic

                  Come on ... Slavyansk ... Then our forum is the Kremlin forum?

                  Ilyich, it’s such a trifle when the site is organized and from what time comments on it will be understood even by a schoolboy.
                  Specifically, this site (Slavyansk) is more than 4 years old, as you can see by going to the archive.
                  Or do you think I did not check when and by whom the site was established. By the way there are local moders - so that they would know. This is also visible on the site.
                  1. +3
                    7 June 2014 17: 44
                    Quote: atalef
                    Or do you think I did not check when and by whom the site was established. By the way there are local moders - so that they would know. This is also visible on the site.

                    I will not draw a parallel with the Censor, Alexander ...
                    Let’s stay, as it’s basking, with ....
                    Moreover, here too there are enough posts from supporters, not so much nezalEzhezhnoy, but Banderostan.
                    And an indicator of the reaction of the population of Donbass, more is the direction of the flow of refugees.
                    1. -1
                      7 June 2014 17: 57
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      I will not draw a parallel with the Censor, Alexander ...
                      Let’s stay, as it’s basking, with ....

                      Understand correctly, I’m for no one at all, I’m on the drum. The mother-in-law in Kiev is calm, the rest does not care
                      I’m saying that if a person tries to make at least some true picture - there are many possibilities for this. TC as Gaft said (film 12 - if you watched)
                      - Anything can happen
                      if you want to believe in something - your right. In general, I have little faith (in life) - therefore, I check. And you know - there are so many surprises


                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Moreover, here too there are enough posts from supporters, not so much nezalEzhezhnoy, but Banderostan.
                      And an indicator of the reaction of the population of Donbass, more is the direction of the flow of refugees.

                      VO is a narrowly targeted site with a certain theme and contingent, which clearly does not draw either on the media or on an independent news service.
                      Comments of any of us should be checked at least.
                      What many do (and rightly so)
                      Therefore, to make a picture based on VO and comments is self-deception (not in everything, but in many ways for sure)
                      Unless, of course, comments are not written by a person who is directly in the place of events, who is known and has established himself as a relatively (I have everything relatively) true source of information.
                      1. +3
                        7 June 2014 18: 08
                        Quote: atalef
                        VO is a narrowly targeted site with a certain theme and contingent, which clearly does not draw either on the media or on an independent news service.
                        Comments of any of us should be checked at least.

                        Before giving out my opinion here, I go over to other sites (except for Ukrainian ones - they are replaced by a Polish TV-copy that is bubbling in my ear).
                        The analyst from me is shitty. But somehow I can correlate. I could be wrong.
                        And in Kiev I have a classmate - we bark with him every other day.
                        In Odessa and Nikolaev there are still classmates. So they, from Odessa and Nikolaev, have been silent for the last month and a half. No fat, no GDP.
                        So I rack my brain - where do the legs grow from ...
                        And it is clearly seen that 90% of the information does not reach at all. And maybe it’s for the better ...
                        hi
                      2. +1
                        7 June 2014 18: 42
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Quote: atalef
                        VO is a narrowly targeted site with a certain theme and contingent, which clearly does not draw either on the media or on an independent news service.
                        Comments of any of us should be checked at least.

                        Before giving out my opinion here, I go over to other sites (except for Ukrainian ones - they are replaced by a Polish TV-copy that is bubbling in my ear).
                        The analyst from me is shitty. But somehow I can correlate. I could be wrong.
                        And in Kiev I have a classmate - we bark with him every other day.
                        In Odessa and Nikolaev there are still classmates. So they, from Odessa and Nikolaev, have been silent for the last month and a half. No fat, no GDP.
                        So I rack my brain - where do the legs grow from ...
                        And it is clearly seen that 90% of the information does not reach at all. And maybe it’s for the better ...

                        hi

                        Ah, it’s so simple to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived (Woe from the mind - if I’m not mistaken)
                        Ask yourself one question, why do you swear in a day with one classmate (whom I’m sure you think is an adequate person), while others don’t want to answer at all?
                        Probably because the truth is at least somewhere in the middle, and not just yours or them, so I want to understand where this is at least the middle.
                      3. +3
                        7 June 2014 22: 23
                        Quote: atalef
                        Probably because the truth is at least somewhere in the middle, and not just yours or them, so I want to understand where this is at least the middle.

                        Not without it...
              2. 0
                8 June 2014 15: 23
                There are some trolls that are thick and stupid))))))))
    14. -2
      7 June 2014 13: 49
      Quote: 1
      .... events in Sevastopol ... we acted without regard to Russia,

      Another offended "unrecognized hero"
      1. 0
        7 June 2014 16: 45
        And everything will be so ...
    15. Nikita_Pilot
      +3
      7 June 2014 15: 08
      Somehow everything became dull with you. I didn’t understand something. Have you already written down the GDP team as traitors?
    16. Dormidont
      +2
      7 June 2014 15: 53
      economy ukrov end, we can only wait for the next truly national Maidan
    17. +2
      7 June 2014 17: 15
      "Do you have a plan, Mr. Fix?
      - Do I have a plan? Do I have a plan? Yes, I have three plans!
      (80 days around the world).
    18. tyrus
      0
      9 June 2014 12: 35
      The normal plan is to achieve a ceasefire and the withdrawal of troops across the Dnieper. And then there will be "New Crimea" or the friendly republic of Novorossia
  2. +28
    7 June 2014 06: 44
    Here is the real state of affairs. Without urapatriotic howls.
    Little of. The Kremlin itself sabotaged the uprising in New Russia. If the Junta had been turned off the gas back in April, this would have accelerated the economic collapse, which would have gone to the rebels only in their hands. And so the Junta all April, May pumped gas for free, moreover, in a larger volume than last year, delaying the economic collapse for six months.
    1. -6
      7 June 2014 06: 53
      Which urapatriotic?
      I myself previously believed that the accession of Crimea is a mistake, and it’s not worth what will follow.
      But on the other hand, you still have to, well, not right now, but in a year or two.
      So right, it's time to open the abscess now.
      And the fact that Russia did not send troops into Ukraine, this could not be, not that situevina ....
      1. +17
        7 June 2014 10: 02
        Quote: mirag2
        And the fact that Russia did not send troops into Ukraine, this could not be, not that situevina ....


        When not worth it, too, situevina justify.
        Who pulled the GDP for the language? Who asked him to answer that Russian in Ukraine will not be merged? Without this bazaar, it would have passed as in 2004 - without corpses.
        And now Donbass is being leveled. And you have a situevina ....
        1. +1
          7 June 2014 13: 31
          B. I am so you yourself are sitting at the women under the skirts, the warriors are worthless, everyone is waiting for Russia to do everything for you. fool
          1. 0
            7 June 2014 14: 11
            Quote: andron72
            B. I am so you yourself are sitting at the women under the skirts, the warriors are worthless, everyone is waiting for Russia to do everything for you. fool


            Wait. Wait dear (Enta's story is not about us, but about YOU), and I (God forbid) take a look under which skirt you find yourself - a gyro.
            1. yulka2980
              +2
              7 June 2014 17: 05
              Why do you blame Russia for your troubles, and not the mattresses and the EU, who are paying the punitive operation ??
    2. +15
      7 June 2014 06: 55
      Quote: ambiorix
      Here is the real state of affairs. Without urapatriotic howls.

      A blogger, even if he is very popular and being "in the subject", cannot present the real state of affairs by definition, since he is a blogger ie. the same "expert" of which there are many, their destiny is to spread theories, and only then, after the fact, or be silent that he crap or shout that he "still warned vooon then !!!!"

      In theory, the situation is as it was and has remained for the second month now, and the initiative is from the militia, and if the Russian Federation had not been near them, they would have long been run over by tanks and bombarded with mines. Are there many military people here? a group of thousands with all types of weapons cannot take one town for the third month already - nonsense, it does not take it, because it remembers how the last blitzkrieg attempt at the borders of the Russian Federation ended ...

      In the same South Ossetia, to hell with two, we would have seen our tanks, if the Georgians had a database in the same spirit as the current leadership of Ukria. Everything would be exactly the same as now, Ossetians have weapons and political support, plus a guarantee that they will not be ironed by hail and will not be moved by tanks, and then all by themselves because of geopolitics. The same is true of Ukria.

      Sorry for the confusion.
      1. jjj
        +3
        7 June 2014 09: 03
        Perhaps we can agree with your conclusions. They fit into the concept that the Americans do not really need a real "victory for democracy" in the Donbas. And you just need a PR about victory. For their purely internal political purposes
      2. +4
        7 June 2014 10: 31
        Unfortunately, so far many in Russia itself have no understanding that there can be no escape from this chaos except by a decisive and massive military strike. Too many are trying to resolve the issue with "homeopathic remedies." Where emergency surgery is needed and where only it can bring salvation. I see the task of our militia precisely and only in giving Moscow time to understand this fact and decide on an operation.

        I. Strelkov
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    3. -6
      7 June 2014 06: 59
      What kind of smart people we all know, at least a deputy. Putin! HE IS THE HEAD OF THE STATE AND IF DOES SO MEAN NECESSARY!
      1. +7
        7 June 2014 07: 22
        This suggests that people are worried about their country and they care! soldier
      2. +4
        7 June 2014 10: 19
        Quote: admrall
        HE IS THE HEAD OF THE STATE AND IF DOES SO MEAN NECESSARY!


        Yanyk was also the head and did. Turchinov also does the head. Saddam and Gaddafi were also ... and they did laughing
      3. 0
        8 June 2014 15: 30
        This is Putin-Deputy People laughing
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    5. 120352
      +2
      7 June 2014 08: 45
      amdiorix
      Do not rush to conclusions about the Kremlin’s position on New Russia. You see only that which is obvious and cannot see what is really happening. It will be fair to judge what is happening there somewhere in November-December. Now there is no necessary information for this.
      And tell me, please, in more detail, how are you going to turn off the junta gas, continuing to supply it to Europe? The pipe is one! South Stream will appear - then you can talk about this topic.
      1. jjj
        +1
        7 June 2014 09: 05
        We will not turn off the gas. Russia's task is to prevent the rise in gas prices in Europe to the level of 600 dollars. Then we would have been supplanted by other suppliers with their expensive gas
      2. 0
        7 June 2014 09: 16
        Quote: 120352
        Do not rush to conclusions about the Kremlin’s position on New Russia. You see only that which is obvious and cannot see what is really happening. It will be fair to judge what is happening there somewhere in November-December. Now there is no necessary information for this.

        The extreme information from the authorities on Novorossia from the first hand sounded like this "No troops, no weapons", for the existing vertical of power this means that not a single military man or official will lift a finger to do something, they can still close their eyes, for this they take no decision is needed, all that, if done, is done privately, has nothing to do with government agencies
      3. +3
        7 June 2014 10: 31
        Quote: 120352
        Do not rush to conclusions about the Kremlin’s position on New Russia.


        You tell this to Strelkov, and to those who remained torn under ODE Lugansk say. Tell it to those because of whom the emergency in the Rostov region. announced.
    6. +4
      7 June 2014 09: 02
      Quote: ambiorix
      If the junta had been turned off the gas in April, it would accelerate the economic collapse,

      As many as 10 people think so ??? Gentlemen! Yes, you must understand at last, if the gas pipe ended in Dill, we would have blocked it in October!, Although in October? Even in 2004!
      Unfortunately, this is not so. The pipe goes to Europe! Do you think why they do not allow us to finish the South Stream? Yes, because they understand that as soon as this stream is launched, we will immediately blow out b / Ukraine economically! But the stream is being built slowly .. ...
    7. +1
      7 June 2014 09: 14
      Quote: ambiorix
      Here is the real state of affairs. Without urapatriotic howls.

      I didn’t want to harness it, everything was in plain sight, but it turned out to be in plain sight!
      Do you really say? The basis of the article is that America invested 5 lard in Dill and won, we 200 and lost! Who is it? Are we equipped with this? Pruly (m) cranks! Is this so? To begin with, America didn’t invest at all 5 lard, who carefully monitored publications it knows, many times more! Investments in NPOs, radical groups and many others go at separate rates.
      We invested MEDIATELY, that is, not with money, but with the so-called NON-REVERSE, that is, the skin of an unkilled bear.
      Well, these are all the details. The most important thing is that we invested in DEVELOPMENT, they are in DESTRUCTION! What is easier to do? And if you take into account (what a sin it is!) The Ukrainian mentality. The essence of which is by no means a creation. Yes, and honestly, before of their hysterical maidan, when all this crawled out ... oh, who needed them? What else would be actively involved in them?
      So the article is provocative and deceitful, it can be seen even if you try to refer to Pushkov!
      1. +4
        7 June 2014 10: 02
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        The most important thing we invested in DEVELOPMENT

        Yeah, and where did everything develop there, maybe new plants, technologies, maybe society has evolved for the better? So no, this money has simply been grabbed, Russophobia has developed and the sale of everything that is possible
      2. +3
        7 June 2014 10: 17
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        To begin with, America has invested not 5 lards at all

        I agree, the author of the article was a little misleading: 200 of us, 5 of them, are a vivid contrast that has a strong influence on the reader.
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        we invested in DEVELOPMENT, they are in DESTRUCTION! What is easier to do?

        Well, then say nonsense, trying to whitewash the policy of power. Cassad gives a clear explanation that the Russian Federation invested money nowhere, wherever it should.
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        Ukrainian mentality. The essence of which is by no means a creation. Yes, and honestly, until their hysterical maidan, when all this crawled out ... oh, who needed them? What else would they be actively involved in?
        You are more careful with the mentality, otherwise it will be possible to accuse you of inciting interethnic hatred. The Ukrainians are a fraternal people that make up the Russian world, and the preservation of the integrity of the Russian world is our primary national task. the future, only if yesterday it was possible to get by with money, today - with the supply of weapons, and tomorrow it will be necessary to send troops. All this is a consequence of a "cunning" policy.
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        AK that the article is provocative and deceitful
        This comment is provocative, as it is an attempt to slander the Ukrainian people and split the Russian world and the false, because your reasoning has no objective basis.
        1. 0
          7 June 2014 11: 13
          Quote: krpmlws
          , for your reasoning has no objective basis.

          I then just on the shelves painted all the "objective grounds", then that my comment
          Quote: krpmlws
          is an attempt to mud the Ukrainian people and split the Russian world and the deceitful,

          only in your sick imagination, do not speak with slogans, not on the podium.
          .Cassad is an icon of truth for you? Actually, what have I gotten into. I feel sorry for the time spent on such people.
          1. 0
            7 June 2014 12: 24
            The article is true in many ways. The main conclusion is the pros.al.ali Ukraine. Hooray-patriots do not like it well ... Think, this is really so. Is it possible to deny the obvious - WORK SHOULD BE WENT FOR YEARS, not 2 months, or even 2 years! SUSZCNOST OR SSUCHNOST? That is the question?
    8. +2
      7 June 2014 15: 23
      Quote: ambiorix
      Here is the real state of affairs


      ... Americans climbed to Ukraine.
      They have several tasks: to push Moscow’s foreheads with Kiev, and then with European NATO; put Ukraine in debt dependence on the United States; to freely pump resources from it by the forces of American companies.

      Stone jungle floodlight http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/89213/
  3. fpgg1963
    +1
    7 June 2014 07: 01
    In many ways, you can agree, but is this not a reason to take stock, make lessons on the mistakes and begin to correct them.
    1. 120352
      0
      7 June 2014 08: 48
      fpgg
      Please provide a list of errors so that there is something to work on ...
      1. +5
        7 June 2014 12: 12
        you are welcome:
        1. change the ambassador and take effective measures to pay the outskirts of debts, which automatically force to end the war, there will be no money.
        2. fulfill the promises of GDP to support the Donbass.
        3. I think in the Kremlin it's time to change the government.
  4. 0
    7 June 2014 07: 01
    I couldn’t read this nonsense, a lot of mistakes, apparently the author was in a hurry to make a break. I do not take such articles seriously. Compare Putin and Yanukovych generally top idiocy.
    1. 0
      7 June 2014 12: 13
      can even be compared! step on the same rake! hi
    2. +3
      7 June 2014 15: 06
      Quote: AikuSun
      Compare Putin and Yanukovych generally top idiocy.

      I would even say blasphemy. Christ must be compared, at worst with the Buddha. wink
  5. +13
    7 June 2014 07: 03
    this most cunning plan, like the Elusive Joe, is for the electorate to think so, in fact, the plan is how to get money for gas, and then yesterday came across curious, symptomatic information - Putin did not say that he did not deny the possibility of renaming Volgograd into Stalingrad , before such a statement was not made this time, against the background of North Russia, or rather inaction, the rating went down and then the brilliant idea again "avert one's eyes" - to rename the city, the electorate will again support and the GDP will receive support, I will say one thing, if the authorities go this way, then things it doesn't matter
  6. +8
    7 June 2014 07: 12
    People are dying in Novorossiya. Russians. People need to be protected, we will cope with the "recession-stagnation" later ... maybe ... someday. Do not fucking breed politessa.
  7. Ogorod007
    +10
    7 June 2014 07: 16
    I agree with all the conclusions. Everything is right. Putin needs to make a choice sooner or later, but it must be done. The main thing is that for Putin it will be important in this choice. If he betrays Novorossia, he can forget about the elections in 2018 that he can win so easily. You need to work ahead of time and pay more attention to the media and also help behind the scenes of Novorossia and without regard to NATO and the squeal of Europe to create a no-fly zone
  8. +3
    7 June 2014 07: 17
    Of course, there were and are failures in politics. By and large, apparently it was necessary to take Crimea immediately to occupy the South-East. Sanctions would have followed anyway, but this would have given the opportunity to "trade" with the US, EU and Kiev. I think it would be possible, in hot pursuit, to formalize bloodless federalization, further ensuring a certain independence of South-East to withdraw troops. But these are all thoughts of an outside observer watching from his own, one might say, a small bell tower. There are so many nuances in the leadership of the state that we do not know.
    1. +2
      7 June 2014 15: 19
      Quote: Bob0859
      There are so many nuances in the leadership of the state that we do not know.

      Nuances are everywhere, but nuances do not determine the direction.
      And the direction is clearly visible:
      1. Request to postpone the referendum to the South-East.
      2. The results of the referendum are commented diplomatically and through a spokesperson.
      3. Non-recognition of the DNI and LC.
      4. Distance from contacts with the republics at the official level.
      SE is clearly given a signal, we guys understand you, but we don’t recognize and we won’t help you openly.
  9. +4
    7 June 2014 07: 21
    Personally, Vova did not explain the line of behavior of Russia to me. What is fortune-telling on coffee grounds?
    Let the bourgeois break their brains and constantly wait for the villains.
  10. +2
    7 June 2014 07: 22
    Quote: AikuSun
    I couldn’t read this nonsense, a lot of mistakes, apparently the author was in a hurry to make a break. I do not take such articles seriously. Compare Putin and Yanukovych generally top idiocy.

    And I don't say when I hear - "Putin's regime", I immediately remember Psaki and Obama smile
  11. +6
    7 June 2014 07: 23
    If Ukraine wants to be Ukraine, then this is possible only as part of Russia, the rest is the end of the state ....
  12. Magyar
    +10
    7 June 2014 07: 26
    The analysis is real, in Ukraine we lost a long time ago, and we don’t need rya-patriotic slogans, you just have to listen to what the population in Kiev says and everything immediately becomes clear. And not a big digression into history, if someone says that Russophobia in Ukraine appeared recently, I want to remind you that the largest group of Slavic mercenaries in Chechnya in the first and second companies were from Ukraine. In the 2008 war in Georgia, our planes shot down calculations from fraternal Ukraine, and there were Ukrainians among the corpses in Tskhinval, this is fraternal greetings from beloved Ukraine. The only way out in this situation is to increase assistance to the Militia, with the rest of Ukraine it is necessary to stop all economic relations as much as possible, even if the United States and the European Union contain them. It is necessary to encourage in every possible way the moving of citizens of Ukraine to m.zh. to Russia, in this situation, the sooner Ukraine as a state ceases to exist, the better this artificial education should disappear from the map, it sounds cynical, but this is a matter of our National Security, the sooner the Kremlin understands this the better. As for the economy, nothing has changed since the 90s, when the Gaidars, Chubais, Germans, and other scum came to power, the people were put on the brink of survival, many families were starving, they were dying because they could not buy basic medicines, there was a terrible time, and what we see now many of these gentlemen still need more comments in power; the main element of our buy-sell economy is not building factories, but shopping centers and offices. We didn’t get up from our knees, but chose another knee-elbow pose.
    1. +1
      7 June 2014 10: 37
      Magyar RU Today, 07:26
      "" The analysis is real, in Ukraine we lost a long time ago .. "" "????
      What they lost:
      -Ukraine is not in NATO and is not the EU
      -There are no US and NATO troops on its territory
      -Sits on a gas needle and will sit like Europe, with all its ambitions in the fight for the price (but don’t carry gas from the United States, and the Turks said they won’t miss it, they need to get out)
      -the authorities of Kiev Crimea about ... Russia has solved the geo-strategic problem in the regina -control of the Black Sea and the routes of energy supplies from the Caspian region and the Middle East to Europe ...
      -rebellion in and the formation of Novorossiya .. showed the strength of the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine and his desire to live with Russia ..
      -in the economic sphere..Even Yasenyuk understands that without Russia, Ukraine, oh, how will it be a sawoo ..
      -etc..
      And the fact that the United States put at its discretion presidents and prime ministers and even through the Maidan is not a loss to Russia .. these are problems of Ukraine’s growth .. and America’s policy to solve its economic problems at the expense of others even to the detriment of its strategic partner _European Union ..with the goal of weakening it on the world stage ..
      1. 0
        7 June 2014 10: 59
        ..wrote and stumbled upon an article on the same issues ..
        “The fact is that 40-million Ukraine with an economy collapsed into rubbish and a population corrupted for 23 years is no longer an attractive asset for joining Russia. It was interesting in the 18th century, when the main cargo flows to Europe went through the Black Sea. That is why Russia fought the Dardanelles so stubbornly, and all the fuss with the Black Sea coast was for this, for the sake of future control over the straits.

        Now the main cargo traffic to Europe no longer goes through the Black Sea, and Europe itself has already ceased to be the heart of the world - industry has gone to Asia, and finance is also leaving there. Europe is dying, Europe is unpromising. Therefore, the straits of Russia are no longer needed.

        The accession of Ukraine for the sake of control over the old pipe - let's not consider it anymore, this is not serious. It is easier for Russia to build new pipes bypassing - which it did, by the way.

        In other words, the task of annexing all of Ukraine is no longer worth it. It could still stand 20 years ago, until the industry and agriculture of the former Ukrainian SSR collapsed - but then Russia did not have the opportunity to attach anyone, it itself, with difficulty, preserved its integrity. And now the train has left. "
        ..and then burns .. hard ..

        http://takie.org/news/kolonel_rasskazyvaet_kak_rossija_progadila_ukrainu/2014-06
        -07-10841
      2. +1
        7 June 2014 12: 21
        Respected! You either do not see the reality, or are simply stupid! following the modern course, we asked ... m New Russia, and we will get not only the hatred of the Galicians, BUT and complete distrust of their (our) words from the residents of Donbass (forgive me, this is more familiar to me) and also: the words of the GDP according to Porosenko's lead: " .. and I like him "- for some reason I really don't like him!
        I have the honor!
        1. rereture
          +2
          7 June 2014 12: 31
          Not only residents of Donbass, but residents of Russia.
        2. +2
          7 June 2014 16: 09
          Victor Demchenko (1) RU Today, 12:21 ↑
          Respected! You either do not see the reality, or are simply stupid! following a modern course, we asked ... m New Russia .. "...
          This is you to me ---. Loser I .. d evech n and to ..
          You try to hear Putin's B .. Listen to the Same thing 2, 3 or 4 times .. highlight the MAIN ... He says everything openly ... But. many don’t hear him ..
          Several years ago, answering a journalist's question: "Why is Russia not returning Crimea?" Putin VV started talking about the sovereignty of Ukraine and gave out, "The most common thing that changes in the world is the borders of states" .. Isn't it transparent?
          Recently in April of this year .. he said about New Russia .. Listen ...
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXr-oLbT8Qc
      3. +3
        7 June 2014 15: 36
        ---))) ... so, ento all the same that Russia lost in Ukraine? What did the naval base keep in Sevastopol and several items in Crimea with a group of 22 thousand people, which later came in handy for the day ... and won the time for the construction of a base in Novorossiysk ?? Now VMB Novorossiysk and VMB Sevastopol and Crimea ... Or the fact that they sold gas and made a profit? And created the Russian army ..
        What ?
        If Russia was afraid to lose something in Ukraine, I think that it wouldn’t send Zurabov, Ambassador of the Russian Federation, ???
    2. +4
      7 June 2014 11: 10
      You have to pay for "victory". The "winners" are the EU and the US. What will happen in the winter in Ukraine? Who will give the money? Who will send the products? The sowing was torn off. An attempt to draw Russia into Ukraine also meant feeding the population under occupation. Did not work out. We are waiting for a new, hungry Maidan in winter. This one will be the scariest one. And then the controversy: "The Secret Plan"!
      1. 0
        7 June 2014 11: 50
        Quote: Maaslo Sallonen
        You have to pay for "victory".

        Tough, but mostly correct.
      2. +2
        7 June 2014 15: 25
        Quote: Maaslo Sallonen
        You have to pay for "victory". The "winners" are the EU and the US. H

        Do not worry about them, these do not remain at a loss and will correctly explain to the "winter Ukraine" who is to blame.
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    4. +1
      7 June 2014 11: 46
      Quote: Magyar
      The analysis is real, in Ukraine we lost a long time ago,

      The analysis is real? Analysis of what? Loss in Ukraine?
      Why do you believe the enemy Colonel Cassad (patriotic pseudonym, huh?) And you can’t believe your own eyes? They clearly tell you: "Russia did NOT play in Ukraine, absolutely, nothing! Not before that! There were a lot of your problems! Will you list me? That that dill everywhere has Moscow’s hand, it’s THEIR disease! And what does Urya-patriotism have to do with it?
      While we were NOT engaged in Ukraine, the West was engaged in it. And what we see there now is the fruits of these activities. We did not lose, we simply did not play.
      Any Ukropskaya belching, like "pro-Russian presidents", does not cost anything! This is nonsense. Timoshenko and Pig calls him the Kremlin's creature! Let's play along, discuss what rank he has in the Lubyanka, or will we start thinking?
      1. Magyar
        +2
        7 June 2014 13: 44
        Mr. clever man, I read your verbal diarrhea, what you wanted to say, I did not understand. But since you have a hard time with the perception of the material, I will explain on the fingers, the loss lies in the struggle for the minds of those living on the territory of Ukraine. At the beginning of my service as a young snotty lieutenant, I got to a settlement called Gorodok, not far from Lviv, on the calendar 1991, except for the Russian language, I can speak Hungarian, although my relatives say that I do not pronounce many words correctly, but this is forgivable for I am half Magyar, and Hungarian is the most difficult language in Europe and my Motherland is Russia, this is what I am leading to, I went to dinner with one family of ethnic Ukrainians as they called themselves, after taking on the chest, learning that I was a half-breed, they were wildly happy, and they began to tell how they hate Russians and the time will come to kill them, the family is a decent wife, a doctor, the husband is an officer of the Soviet Army, I asked that many have such moods in Ukraine, the answer killed me, it was said that in Western Ukraine, almost everyone, in Central in half, here in the East there are many ethnic Russians. You will also have questions. Regarding the problems of our Country, I do not need to list them, I see them every day, and I have experienced good and bad with this Country, there were times when opening an empty refrigerator there was an idea to quit this service to hell, they did not pay a salary for months, an advance payment was thrown and you live as you want , I had to earn extra money, about the type of troops and part I will not talk about it, there is nothing to it. It's like in the movie brother "Where did the sonny serve? - IN THE ARMY" ... Who Served will really understand what I'm talking about. The biggest loss to the West occurred back in the days of the USSR, when Western rags and other nishtyaks were akin to great happiness, well, now it all continued only in a hypertrophied form, the main consumerism, everything else is decay. Do I explain it easily, or again something is not clear? .. Regarding the thought processes, Mr. Clever, I have complete order with them, and there are no rose-colored glasses in my eyes for a long time, I consider further discussion with you inappropriate, I will not hear anything interesting for myself, I wish you good luck ...
      2. +1
        7 June 2014 15: 38
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        Russia did NOT play in Ukraine, absolutely, nothing!

        Yah? And the gas games? However, you are right, Russia did not play, in any way. Those who have been on the “national team” for the last 23 years, like rebounds, oblique and bow-legged. But how to act in advertising!
    5. 0
      7 June 2014 12: 16
      I agree to all 100500! hi
      1. 0
        8 June 2014 15: 38
        Yeah, yet the World Cup will begin, and the couch special forces will score on this war
  13. +3
    7 June 2014 07: 27
    sooner or later. the south-east will win. not without the help of Russia, of course. other regions will be attracted to it. and they will reach Kiev. the head of this junta will be curtailed. and this will be another Ukraine. by that time many eyes will open after zombies. well and then the people themselves will decide whether to be Russia or separately. but with Russia. we will only need help. weapons. volunteers. humanitarian aid. or option. if our deplomatia achieves a ceasefire. although after that. the junta has done. south-east it’s impossible to stop. late. maybe they’ll do a no-fly zone as well. it wouldn’t be bad. by the way, the DNI and LC begin to recruit military pilots. tankistov.What would it be? I personally guess.
    1. 0
      7 June 2014 17: 12
      urii SU Today, 07:27 AM
      sooner or later. the southeast will win. not without the help of Russia, of course. "" "" "" "" "" "&
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      voysk-voshla-v-snezhnoe-.html
  14. +8
    7 June 2014 07: 33
    Yes, there are failures and will be, because only he who does nothing is not mistaken. Help but implicit is still present. Does a respected blogger know how to use MANPADS? Or ATGM. I’ve been after the army for 27 years. Now I don’t immediately remember how to do it, except that I can shoot from AK. So the article is from those propaganda statues where, under the guise of facts, a foul idea is presented that everything is sold. According to some reports and materials, I believe that it is not yet evening. hi
    1. -1
      7 June 2014 12: 38
      so no one says that EVERYTHING! Arrived! Everything is lost!!! and so on. In my opinion, a very clear vision of the situation with our media and the Kremlin’s policy is given. By the way: why is GDP responsible for everything about everything, and where is our government? and why are you not hearing suggestions from them? as far as I understand the vertical of power in our beloved (without irony, really beloved) Russia, the government is directly responsible for foreign and domestic policy! hi
    2. 0
      8 June 2014 15: 40
      They will remind you. A-failure, these are Russian 200, and nobody will forgive them ....
  15. talnax7
    -2
    7 June 2014 07: 38
    Two minuses to the author for the First Crimea Putin opens a newspaper wow our Crimea And did I know how? The second 23 years, Russia lived in gold, silver (where did the author live?) America at that time was not destroyed and not just the facts were restored (it's me
    About resources
    1. +1
      8 June 2014 18: 31
      very tricky plan .....
  16. +18
    7 June 2014 07: 39
    I will express my opinion on why it is impossible for Russia (at least) to send troops into the territory of Ukraine now. The bulk - the "cannon fodder" of the so-called "Right Sector" - are young idiots of 17-20 years old with brainwashed, for whom everything that happens is just a game. These youngsters who sympathized with the "taste of blood" are already "dead" for a peaceful life. The "new" Ukrainian authorities will have to shoot these youngsters themselves. If Russia introduces troops, and the West takes advantage of this and distributes weapons to them (already distributed), what should Russia do with them ???? Shoot? But after all, every youngster has parents (even if they do not share their views, but these are their children), who after the death of these "children" will blame Russia for everything. And Russia will get a full-scale guerrilla war. Is it necessary? Well, the population is not yet ready to help "polite people". Already now (after Western Ukraine began to receive coffins with their children), voices are beginning to be heard in Galicia accusing the "new" Ukrainian government ...
    1. +5
      7 June 2014 07: 55
      Quote: Vladimir 70
      Shoot? But after all, every youngster has parents (even if they do not share their views, but these are their children), who after the death of these "children" will blame Russia for everything.

      What? Are they the kids? In the war, pity for the enemy turns into casualties among one's own, sometimes the death of the benefactor himself, go take pity, you may stay alive, or as ten people went out like this in Andreevka to stop the armed law enforcement officers, took pity on them, and the lawyers simply shot them, maybe about the shot recall the wounded in Red Estuary?
      1. +8
        7 June 2014 08: 06
        What? Are they the kids? In the war, pity for the enemy turns into casualties among his own, sometimes the death of the benefactor himself ....
        Read carefully, I wrote - they children for their parents! The fact that these youngsters are criminals and are subject to destruction, I do not argue - they are already "dead" for a peaceful life.
    2. +3
      7 June 2014 12: 41
      it is now about adequate assistance to the militia, but not about the introduction of even a limited contingent of troops. hi
    3. +2
      7 June 2014 14: 19
      And what kind of battle is going on in "War and Peace". Real jam
      ti-robot, RU 07.06.14/07/39 XNUMX:XNUMX
      Satya pleased that here ...
      Already under Putin (we omit Yeltsin's presidency, which consisted of various betrayals), Russia suffered a major defeat in 2004, when the stake on Yanukovych and the "Party of Regions" (which was openly supported by Putin personally) was beaten by the Americans who carried out a coup and brought Yushchenko's puppet government to power (where there were many members of the current fascist junta). For 5 years Russia was forced to endure the results of its defeat, after which the "orange" went bankrupt and the same "Party of Regions" broke through to power in an embrace with Yanukovych.
      The topic "why did the Orange go bankrupt" and how "khazpopisyat" became "Bolshechemurope" was not disclosed.

      In 2014, Russia once again suffered a major defeat in the Ukrainian question, when the Americans realized their plan to bring to power the next puppet government completely dependent on Washington.
      If someone looks into the news a little further than yesterday, he will see that Putin is not forcing anyone. Putin makes an offer that you can refuse. Kiev in the person of its inhabitants, carefully feeding the Maidan refused. It would be an honor to be offered ... The next offer was gas at 500 after prepayment, while we wait for an answer, it does not burn for us ...

      While the Russian capital amused itself with illusions that it is possible at the price of enslaving contracts (which became such thanks to the "orange" - if anyone has forgotten, then it was the "orange"
      That is, it was "defeat" or "imposition of bonded projects"?

      Compare let's say the level of influence of Teft and Zurabov in Ukraine.
      Let's compare. For Teftem - words, for Zurabov - Gazprom.
      The author keeps the theme of the narrative for 50 years of ideological education and direct supply of memory with goods and investments, and the result of this work is zilch. Now it will be capitalistically. Our money is your servos. What is the point of investing in the ideological processing of a Westerner if he did not succumb to it in the USSR. Let him compete with the Tajik in the "cheap hands" market. Moreover, no one forbids him to walk with flags of any color - it simply reduces his earnings proportionally. It may not reach the children, but the grandchildren will learn from childhood - he spat in Russia - he was left without lunch. Someone is in a hurry somewhere?

      (to be continued)
    4. +1
      7 June 2014 14: 20
      If Russia tried to do the same thing as the Americans, it did it clumsy in the style of "here's the money, spin as you want" (and then some of the money was plundered locally by local, so to speak, "patriots" - relatively speaking, the State Duma is allocated $ 100 for the development of the "Russian world", of which 000-20% is being sawn back in Moscow, about the same amount is felled by local "leaders", and the rest goes to scanty rallies, exhibitions and other events for reporting that created a simulacrum, and not real pro-Russian movement)
      The described is so suitable for our white-tape opposition that here it is necessary to use not "clumsy", but "exactly the same." The author also leaves out the history of the Comintern, aid to Africa and other programs to feed the "progressive forces" at our expense. We sympathize, but the trough is closed.

      Russian politics in Ukraine was inadequate to the threats that were ripening here (although many, including myself, wrote that Ukraine (not to be confused with the Ukrainian SSR) exists only and exclusively as an antithesis of Russia)
      There is a logical contradiction right in one sentence. If "Ukraine" exists exclusively as "the antithesis of Russia", then there is no point in integrating your people into it. "Antithesis" should, according to all the rules of judo, show its strength as an anti-Russian phenomenon, and to the whole world, and then, with minimal and imperceptible expenditure of Russia's energy, it should stick into mats. It is exemplary to stick in so as not to get up. Now we are seeing how beautifully showing the guard and tearing the last jersey, Ukraine rushed into battle, but entangled in its western-eastern legs, it flies with its muzzle into the trampled lawn. At the same time, sincerely wondering aloud "what for ?!". And Putin is standing next to him, his hands in his pockets and silently showing everyone around him "and I haven't even touched him with a finger yet ..."
      And Putin again makes an extension - "guys, let's live together ..."
      And looking at this gymnastics, clients of Gazprom-Neft sign protocols on their agreement to switch to Euro and Ruble.
      (continued 2 follows)
    5. +6
      7 June 2014 14: 21
      Then again pulling the owl on the globe:
      indirect unspoken support (which has been denied and will be denied) will not allow the military to neutralize Novorossia, but it will not change the overwhelming superiority of the junta in technology.
      ...
      either Putin will collapse his consolidated stability by surrendering the Donbass, or he will be forced to get involved in the war on left-bank Ukraine, dividing it not by peaceful but military means
      The author forgets to read his previous paragraphs. Stating that Putin planned to keep the situation in the current state, the author immediately says that Putin lost because he must make a decision and change the situation in one direction or another.
      Why would Putin change anything if the current "support the protest on the Slaviansk border", when the DPR immediately appears to increase pressure from Kiev, local residents are transported to Russia, including border guards, the border is de facto controlled by Novorossia, and the world media is gradually reducing the intensity of anti-Russian hysteria (as it was in 2008, the Western reader cannot sit on one topic for half a year, it tires him). And all this without any financial injections (Gazprom received 0,8 billion, VTB received 1 billion). And Kiev is seriously spending a resource - almost a third of serviceable helicopters is lost, the mobilization resource is at zero - there are no volunteers, and no one will go to the army forcibly, financial resources are under external control and go to Moscow, and not to Kiev. On the world stage, there is a circus with horses "sanctions against Russia", today on the arena "the US buys Russian missiles and advises France to take French workers out of jobs." In Syria, the revolution imperceptibly turned into "a little bit more and everything is already in London." They don't even stutter about negotiations with the participation of the opposition - they are afraid that all the survivors will flee to the negotiations. A long-term contract has been signed with China. Even the East Europeans have gotten so bad that they send the EC with the South Stream.
      And why change something in this situation when the client is standing on the twine and held with one finger?

      And talk about stripping the DNI ...
      That's when Ukraine will nevertheless befit the rifleman's "Nona", or at least explain where the ammunition comes from and where the damage goes, then we'll talk about the cleanup.
    6. 0
      8 June 2014 15: 44
      He will send these "more children" to die usefully ... to Russia, burn, blow up, kill ... As in Somalia. And this is not gut. Better let them sit behind the Sbruch in the caches.
    7. Dracula
      0
      8 June 2014 23: 00
      Heard already * Onizhedeti * on the Maidan
  17. Common sense
    +3
    7 June 2014 07: 40
    Do not forget that there were Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia this time, and the fact that the people immediately started shooting from two guns was two — therefore, they introduced an army and put in loads. Here the Americans want to be more cunning, like they’re not at all aware. Weapons to maintain goat paths so as not to shine is one of the few options so far our help. They wanted to, didn’t want to, but they had to take it back because the fact that this is a strategically important sector is one thing, and the fact that how much could get very seriously from armament into the torn to these nonsense would be very bad. There will be no connection, we need a buffer zone, as it always has been. But of course, if the whole southeast stood up and separated, then for us it would be the best option for the development of events. Everyone would be happy. While we will see where the curve leads.
    1. jjj
      +3
      7 June 2014 09: 08
      Almost Vietnamese script. Only the Americans themselves do not harness as once in Indochina
  18. +5
    7 June 2014 07: 42
    there were such articles about Syria, where supposedly Shiites oppose the Sunnis; some Muslim brothers, some Allawites and many others; the main thing here is to mix everything together and to blame these "organizations"; wreak havoc in the brains of people this is also the task of America's criminals; so in Ukraine, we are being told that all its inhabitants are completely "Bandera's" and we must destroy them, but the Ukrainians are being inspired with exactly the opposite; remember the Chechens where we were told that they were all "shahids"; Pashtuns are all first "mujahideen" then some "Taliban" and so on.
    1. +2
      7 June 2014 07: 58
      Some Alawites are the ruling class, so to speak, along with the Shiites of Iran and Lebanon, they are fighting against local and deserted Sunnis
  19. +6
    7 June 2014 07: 51
    Hasn't the Ukrainian people voted for so many years for those who shouted the loudest than all, that European integration is the way to tomorrow for the Ukrainian people? Responsibility for what happened to hang on Moscow and its poorly working ambassadors? This is beyond simple. But Ukrainians have been thinking about something for 25 years? They do not bear any responsibility for what happened?
    1. +5
      7 June 2014 09: 24
      As we drive and go. You are right. We deserve our rulers. Those who don’t like our orders have been dumped over the hill for a long time. It is the same with Ukraine. Their whole free life was fine. And now look at how they have families in our sanatoriums. they’re pumping the children’s swing. And we can’t save on vacation. We can’t get involved in this slaughter. We need to help with weapons, and let them pull the trigger ourselves.
    2. +1
      7 June 2014 12: 03
      Quote: GRAY
      . But Ukrainians have been thinking about something for 25 years?

      And all sorts of "imported colonels of the cassada" prove to us that it is our fault! And there are those who believe!
    3. 0
      7 June 2014 12: 44
      we must face the truth: our ambassadors to Ukraine are really zen! that Chernomyrdin, and Zurabov so it sucks! fool
  20. +4
    7 June 2014 07: 54
    What will be the price of victory over the Nazis? As usual, we won’t cost the price. Download 200 billion for nothing.
    it is necessary to try! What the population of Russia did not get at the same time - one can only guess.
    And now, Russia is losing. Need more effective assistance to the rebellious southeast, especially the border
    very transparent. Armament for militias, able to curb the overgrown ukrletunov and others
    criminals would have been supported by the militia. And so-so, it’s not enough to watch what is happening and babble in the diplomatic communities about their disagreement. Not today, tomorrow, the protest movement may be
    crushed, because US military aid is growing. And then? Ah, missile defense near the border with Russia! Ah, Bender’s
    sabotage detachments with American advisers, penetrate into Russia? Ay-ah, how bad it is!
    This tomorrow, Russia can oversleep.
  21. SBC
    SBC
    0
    7 June 2014 07: 56
    All the answers to the decision to revive Russia (Russia, Muscovy, RI, USSR) are in the history of 13-15 centuries, since after the traitor Gorbachev, the Russian Federation is an analogue of ulus Dzhuchi (the estate of the descendants of the eldest sons of Genghis Khan).
  22. +3
    7 June 2014 07: 58
    The author took an absolutely safe position of a detached (with material on the fan) observer. Being engaged in ascertaining fait accompli and making obvious conclusions, he calls the participants in the confrontation: Putin's regime (not Russia) and the United States, focuses on Putin's "mistakes" (his unwillingness to "cut" on the living) and a priori, recognizing the US's right to do anything.

    Conclusion: The author himself is one of those who are ready to support anyone to damage Russia. In this case, it is ideology (in a sophisticated form), since in the context of the article - "Russia is a regional power that is not able to pursue its own competent policy, and therefore: it will be as the United States will do."
    (-)
  23. +3
    7 June 2014 08: 07
    Quote: GrBear
    focuses on Putin's "mistakes" (his unwillingness to "cut" on the living)

    Quote: GrBear
    Conclusion: The author himself is one of those who are ready to support anyone to harm Russia.


    What is an interesting conclusion, if the author is not a fool or a shakosaker, then he is the one above, or maybe he just turned on his head?
  24. +8
    7 June 2014 08: 12
    I think that everything is much simpler. The Russian Federation initially positioned itself as a supporter of compliance with international law in all matters. Now, by introducing troops into the South-East of the Russian Federation, it virtually crosses out its entire political line in recent years. The consequences - a sharp drop in international image, which is difficult, but still formed in world public opinion. You cannot be political prostitutes. There is no fear of sanctions. Russia is not a country that can be strangled like a kitten. For 70 years we lived in isolation and flew into space and created nuclear weapons and much more ... Therefore, it is not a matter of saving face for the Russian Federation not to send troops into the territory of a sovereign state (be that as it may, but Ukraine is a sovereign state). In Crimea, everything was different. Its initial autonomy allowed a brilliant operation to join it without gross violation of legal norms and international law. Something like this.
    1. 0
      7 June 2014 09: 55
      Quote: Serbor
      . Russia is not a country that can be strangled like a kitten. 70 years we lived in isolation and flew into space and created nuclear weapons and much more ...


      An incorrect comparison, the USSR was not the Russian Federation, it did not have such a dependence on the West, because it could do much, did and was not afraid, and in general there was not a capitalist system that now does not help a bit, on the contrary it creates so many dependencies
    2. +2
      7 June 2014 12: 50
      You know, but I’m on the side for an international image! we look back at Geyropa and other Swedes all our lives! in my not-so-dumb sense, it is possible and necessary to clearly and consistently conduct own line behavior, and officials who are not fulfilling their duties drive to the neck without the right to work in the public service!
    3. +3
      7 June 2014 22: 36
      Quote: Serbor
      The consequences - a sharp drop in international image

      A sharp decline in image is when a country is unable to defend its interests, when loud statements are made. And then include the back. They will wipe their feet on this country regardless of whether it observes international law or not.
  25. Vlom
    +5
    7 June 2014 08: 13
    The article as a whole is correct; everything is correctly written in urkain. Reality is often unsightly.
    Delivered + article. And among commentators there are many dolboosaurs, not even inclined to superficial analysis.
    And again, almost everyone: "enter", "do not enter". The penis is inserted into the vagina.
    Did the Americans "send" troops to Serbia? fool On this site, the dominance of idiots is simple.
  26. +6
    7 June 2014 08: 19
    Yes, we are currently in the position of the recoup. Our number is number 2. That is why balanced decisions are needed. We cannot afford to behave like the United States (we ourselves shout that they are bastards and propose to do the same). I would very much like this carnage in Donbass and Lugansk to stop. But, unfortunately, only residents of Ukraine can stop it. Our business is competent assistance and the work of the special services (I hope that it is still being carried out). The truth is always somewhere in the middle between "all-pro-Russian" and "hurray-patriots".
  27. +4
    7 June 2014 08: 29
    It is hard to believe that if there is a common border with Russia, SE will be defeated quickly. After the presidential election, the population is euphoric, but inevitable unpopular decisions will lead to protests. The example of SE (and Maidan) will show how to deal with the worsening economic situation. The armed formations will be able to successfully compete for power; they will not surrender their weapons. That's all, Poroshenko turns out to be a "passing" president, as Putin said, Novorossiya actively cooperates with Russia and makes money, the rest continues to believe in fairy tales and rushes between the old, new and future authorities. No need to thicken the paint and dust your head with ashes beforehand, dear Colonel Cassad.
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  29. Vlad Gore
    +2
    7 June 2014 08: 39
    Such lessons are usually paid for in blood.
    Payment by blood has already begun. And if Russia does not firmly and formally support the Russians in Ukraine, then the cost of such payment will only increase.
  30. +1
    7 June 2014 08: 40
    Enters - does not enter, what kind of question?
    Iskander takes out 400 km, there are also Club systems, drones, S-400, etc.
    It is enough to organize a no-fly zone, arm the militias, create a full-fledged army of New Russia, and, under the guise of precision weapons (including the use of OTR), squeeze out the junta's troops.
    1. +2
      7 June 2014 13: 48
      Everything is correct, but only previously all the same, a resolution should be sent to the UN Security Council on the creation of an unmanned zone in Little Russia. It is clear that it will not be accepted, but it must be directed so that it does not look like aggressors. soldier
  31. +1
    7 June 2014 08: 41
    If Russia enters the South-East now, then in a sense it will rally the anti-Russian "club" and for the maydanutyh it is not a small trump card ... but the situation as it is now for Ukraine ... is like a virus for a computer-fighting Slavyansk it is like a ray of light in the darkness for many Ukrainians, and every death there resonates in many hearts of the same Ukrainians ... the main task of the South-East is to show the truth about the situation in the country and the fact that Russia cannot solve them with "simple" methods. ..that Russia ... you need to help - with weapons, specialists, medicines, intelligence from satellites, and if someone wakes up to make claims, then it's stupid to refuse according to the principle like "I'm not and the horse is not mine" ... yes, just stupid, because how can America be blunt and we must do everything smartly and against everyone?
  32. Rolliskein
    0
    7 June 2014 08: 48
    sticking to the rules in politics is a weak position, it so happened that we are weak and we are, and Putin lay down under Western values ​​at the beginning of the first term when they drowned Kursk.
    1. -2
      7 June 2014 14: 13
      I agree. Putin cannot be called a bold leader. It acts only when it is ABSOLUTELY confident in a win-win, but it is known that the one who does not take risks does not drink champagne. While I respect him only for the fact that he took up the defense industry. And what will happen in the 18th year, then I think that if he behaves as he does now, then he will lose everything that he has acquired for the Crimea. so well turned up after all, this is a gift of fate, which fell to him almost without any special expenses and preparation. it’s good that he didn’t even miss his chance here. And for the requested ... 200 billion dollars, he is a big minus, you need to think who you give. And the author of the article has respect, at least he thinks not like some! soldier
  33. +3
    7 June 2014 08: 50
    author, but if you use the third option, don’t introduce troops but help militias to actively help with volunteers and weapons? It’s very easy to introduce troops, but donkey just don’t understand that our government expects BIG BLOOD in the form of using multiple launch rocket systems in peaceful areas, then the troops can Kiev will enter. And in another way, vryat-whether
  34. +9
    7 June 2014 08: 53
    The article frankly did not like.
    In my opinion, the author follows the path of the unforgettable comrade Rezun, who made the "Icebreaker", "Aquarium" and other entertaining and brainwashing readings. He, too, represented any victory of former compatriots (then you beat us with you), either as an accident, or as a miscalculation of the enemy, or as the help of the devil himself.
    Dear author, your article is not an analysis of events conducted with the aim of trying to figure out what happened and is actually happening, your article is simply a higher level of information warfare, propaganda aimed not at ordinary people, but at readers and interested people people.
    Beautiful arguments about how it was necessary earlier, but in another way, in your opinion, should have completely knocked out of my head one simple thought - how long ago did we suddenly begin to contradict the "world" opinion, how long ago did Russia have the strength and means for this? It seems that for the last 23 years I have lived in a stable, strong, indomitable developing country, which did nothing but try to survive in this fucking "civilized" world, but ruled everyone. And it turns out that we had a lot of opportunities to prevent the war in Ukraine, but we apparently did not want to stupidly, or because of our limitations could not.
    And your next article will be that the Americans did not fail the operation to seize Ukraine, but they deceived us cunningly, rubbing their hands and waiting for some events only known to them, and we are happy to rush into the trap? Although you have already gone through this in passing ...
    Nothing will come of it.
    Yes, we did not plan all this and started (and thank God!), But we are not to blame for this.
    And the fact that our president had the will and reason to not leave Crimea and at the same time not climb to where far from the whole population is happy is honor and praise. And do not throw cheap phrases about our unity, national identity, state and popular idea, you probably do not understand.
    Our mentality is different, we don’t have to go to other states, put princes we like there, plan operations for collapse, displacement, next revolutions, we are not America, we have had enough of our problems throughout our history.
    This "civilized" world presents its eternal interference in the affairs of others as a victory, our victory is to put things in order in our house, and not spoil our neighbor.
    1. +3
      7 June 2014 09: 44
      I agree with the previous commentator. Does the author reason (and thinks that he is analyzing) about the things in which he is a professional? He who? Who knows whose blog this is? From what hidden and not advertised sources he draws his information about the absence or presence of "cunning plans". There was no need to write so much, knowing only 1 aspect. Yanukovych is not a "pro-Russian" president. And everything that has happened in the last 4 years in Ukraine has happened with his tacit consent. In Ukraine, a political game is just brewing INSIDE, in comparison with which the current situation is in bloom. Poroshenko's victory in the elections is not even a check, and even less a checkmate. The pawn went to queens. Will it get there?
    2. +1
      7 June 2014 16: 48
      205577 RU Today, 08:53
      + + + + +
      07.06.2014 - 15: 46
      "" Many argue about whether it is necessary to divide the former Ukraine or it can be left by destroying Bandera-fascism?
      GUBAREV Pavel:
      My answer is this: Ukraine must be divided into federal Novorossia and federal Ukraine. Because most of the inhabitants of the west and center of the former Ukraine want a European future, while the south and east see their future with Russia. And this split is based on civilizational, cultural, ethnic and, ultimately, economic components. At its core, today's events in Donbass are a clash of Western civilization and Russian civilization. Therefore, the only logically consistent form of existence of the population of the former Ukraine is its division into at least two parts: Novorossia and Ukraine. ""
      http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1402141589
  35. +1
    7 June 2014 09: 27
    There can be many plans and they can not always be fulfilled. It is better to first develop a general course of action. Analysts somehow forget about the bribes that Ukrainian land has become famous for and is the world leader in this field of activity. As soon as the bribe takers and thieves begin to be driven away from the feeder, some Russian deputies immediately took the initiative to resume military orders at Ukrainian enterprises. And they immediately recall about mutually beneficial cooperation, and about the fraternal people. They don’t just say how much they buy property abroad.
  36. Ivan 63
    +2
    7 June 2014 09: 30
    What about winter and cold, and hunger is not an aunt.
  37. +3
    7 June 2014 09: 33
    It is necessary to make a choice between two ways of developing this entire policy:
    The 1-th way is to recognize that Ukraine is occupied by the Americans and the EU (regardless of the forms of this occupation). On this basis, to declare the hostilities against this occupation a national liberation struggle of the people against the arrogant enemy who has invaded Ukraine and threatens to invade Russia.
    2-th - we admit that the majority of the Ukrainian people made a historical choice by denouncing the agreements with Russia since the Pereyaslav Rada, and now they will live the way they want to live.
    In the first case, it is necessary to break all contacts and contracts with the West, because he himself will break them, repel its aggression, possibly military, by heroic labor modernize industry, science, give birth to new art, literature, cinema, orient all education of the young generation to life in a hostile environment and for the forthcoming war for the lands lost as a result of Gorbachev's "perestroika".
    In the second case, it is necessary to think and follow the path of real industrial modernization, give a new impetus to scientific research in the country, build a new art, raise culture, raise the level of education of young people, and give them a perspective for development in the future in Russia. Finally, to minimize the damage that Gorbachev's "perestroika" inflicted on the Russian people and state.
    The main thing in the first and second cases is not to lose your sovereignty. If this happens, we will pay double the amount for everything - "our" leaders and also the American ones, since they will lead "our" leaders. And a raven-raven will not gouge out its eyes. So it was during the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
    It seems to me that GDP has chosen the second path. That's all.
  38. +3
    7 June 2014 09: 36
    Although we do not scold the author, do not blame him for not being competent, but the article, like a tub of cold water on our hot heads, the article makes us wonder if Russia is doing everything right in relation to Ukraine. I think everyone will agree with me that the information war will We lost to Ukraine that our ambassadors to Ukraine, starting with Chernomyrdin, did not catch flies, they didn’t monitor the situation, they should first of all see how they make enemies of Russia from Ukrainians, but they were doing other things, hanging out at receptions at the presidents of Ukraine, they were good as a result, as a result, we got what we have at the moment, ohhh .... the muzzle of the Piglet.
  39. mihasik
    0
    7 June 2014 09: 37
    In my opinion, where the author began, he ended with this: "In fact, both points of view are only part of the picture of Russian policy in Ukraine ..."
    The author agrees with one of the points of view?
    Namely: that the infusion of the United States into the apposition forces, for example, in Venezuela or Cuba, did not lead to a positive result for the United States? Why am I? And besides, don't pour in how much money and don't organize any funds, if the population is ready to perceive nationalism and constant "Maidans" as a norm (and nationalism in Ukraine has always been from its birth as an entity), then it is extremely difficult to change people's minds if you do not act aggressively ... Taking into account the realities of 91, and it was then that Ukrainian nationalism began to raise its head openly and, as a result, anti-Russianness, was not up to everyone. Anti-Russianism then raged in all the breakaway republics. And the USA at that time only pressed the "necessary button".
    About
    The United States will be quite satisfied in terms of designating an "enemy" under which budgets for the Pentagon and special services can be knocked out.
    also a moot point. The United States has already exploded in endless wars and financially as well. If the sale of arms to the same Europe was meant, then the EU itself, to put it mildly, is not in that situation to inflate military budgets.
    Output? And the conclusion is simple. There is a war for survival. How did Gaddafi's idea of ​​the Golden Dinar and the unification of Africa end up, which could weaken the dollar and the euro? What is China doing with Russia and Iran now? And what about Putin's call for a Single Economic Space from Lisbon to Vladivostok? So everything is natural. The main thing is not to drive the United States into a corner completely, so that the Third World War does not start. And Putin's cunning plan was, is and will be. Rather, the force that brought him to power.
    1. 0
      7 June 2014 22: 47
      Quote: mihasik
      What is China doing with Russia and Iran now?

      And what they do. They pursue their policies where there is not much space for Russian interests. Iran, with a new prez, gets along quite well with the states, and the S-300 that is not delivered when it is kept in mind. China had the most profitable fucking contract with Gazprom. The price of gas has been classified. Why would it be?
  40. -1
    7 June 2014 09: 42
    As a weaker imperialist state than the United States, Russia naturally seeks to evade a direct clash with the hegemon ... Donbass in this matter becomes a hostage to this ..

    In our society, managerial pragmatism has long been conquered by Orthodox humanism.
  41. +2
    7 June 2014 09: 45
    I am always distrustful of such analytical articles. I did not see anything new or something that I do not know. And I will draw conclusions from what is happening.
  42. 0
    7 June 2014 09: 53
    Let there be any plan, but so that it leads to the end of the bloodshed and to the defeat of the fascist junta.
  43. Zauralec
    -3
    7 June 2014 10: 02
    I will leave my comment here.

    The situation is very reminiscent of 1941. At that time, Stalin delayed the outbreak of war as much as he could, realized that he was not ready, the training of new young personnel, the modernization of the armed forces, and the construction of defense equipment were actively underway. The West also understood that Russia would soon be taken NO, but the main thing was to declare Russia an aggressor. Fascist planes constantly flew at us, German soldiers fired, we had the strictest decree not to respond to provocations. When the West realized that Russia could not be made an aggressor, and the country's power is growing every day, they went all-in, Hitler brought in troops. Now the same thing, as soon as Putin enters the troops, Russia is automatically declared an aggressor, and our cities begin to bomb, even atomic bombing is possible, given the massive attack all NATO and Iya, we have no chance. Only a retaliatory strike, it will be, though not as powerful as the Ovsky one, we’ll erase a couple of cities, but spit on a couple of tens of millions of its citizens on August 45 and September 11, this confirms, but Russia will die and will remain in the memory of the aggressor, and this LLC is very important, manipulation history.
    1. Dracula
      0
      8 June 2014 16: 14
      The United States is the only nuclear weapon to use civilians in Japan. Ask the Young Japs Who bombed? They say the Soviet Union. Falsification of history, manipulation of consciousness. It took Ukraine and their owners 23 years to grow * Ivanovs who do not remember kinship * And what about our history? They do the same with her.
  44. +6
    7 June 2014 10: 07
    I liked the article! Almost everything that the author writes about corresponds personally to my considerations. And if you recall the first orange Maidan, then it really was like a cold shower for Russia. And now the author writes correctly - and so badly and so badly ...
    Quote:

    Quote: Vladimir 70
    And Russia will receive a full-scale guerrilla war. Is it necessary?


    I agree 100 percent !! I would only like to quickly achieve the desired result, namely: turn away the head of Ukrainian fascism!
  45. +3
    7 June 2014 10: 19
    I was initially for the introduction of troops, until there were casualties and the infrastructure was not destroyed ... Now, when the initiative went to the junta, our steps will already be belated and predictable ... In this Colonel Cassad is right ... But there is really one caveat The West is also not ready for open confrontation with its own hands, the average voter is already tired of "small victorious wars and Obama's peacekeeping" ...
  46. +3
    7 June 2014 10: 19
    <<< Who is responsible for the fact that Zurabov looks like a pitiful molecule against the background of Teft in terms of having leverage over what is happening in Ukraine. >>>
    This business manager - a specialist in taxiing cash flows (for the benefit of his beloved) had to be brought to justice for his experiments on the people when he was the Minister of Health, and they made a "woodpecker" out of him, and the result is appropriate! And the previous "political heavyweight", Chernomyrdin, who was not able to say two words correctly in Russian so as not to give out an aphorism for the amusement of society, was more involved in promoting his business!
  47. 0
    7 June 2014 10: 20
    The author honestly depicted a picture that can be seen from his bell tower. But only the belfries seem to be of different heights ..
  48. +4
    7 June 2014 10: 24
    I completely agree with the author of the article, there was no "cunning" plan and there is no. The events in the Crimea took place only thanks to Shoigu personally and some generals, who wisely used the moment. The Kremlin will not go for more, for objective reasons, Russia is completely dependent, both financially, economically and politically, on the United States and the West. We don’t have money, they are all in the west. The people living on the territory of Russia are no longer the same Soviet, friendly people, accustomed to difficulties and trials, but in many respects completely cheated, lazy, lively "from iPhone to iPad" b.y.dl.o. Yes, and time is lost, it was necessary to send troops to the east of Ukraine at the same time as Crimea, now it is already impossible, they will be crushed by sanctions. If we take the South-West of Ukraine, then Russia has only one way out for us - the "Iron Curtain". And many of us want an "iron curtain"? Here, there ...
  49. melnik
    +4
    7 June 2014 10: 32
    The Kremlin is in an extremely difficult situation, because it is hard to preserve Russia as a source of the existence of elites, and at the same time, the slightest growth in the national identity of the Russian people cannot be allowed
  50. 0
    7 June 2014 10: 38
    Quote: Safon
    Quote: admrall
    HE IS THE HEAD OF THE STATE AND IF DOES SO MEAN NECESSARY!


    Yanyk was also the head and did. Turchinov also does the head. Saddam and Gaddafi were also ... and they did laughing


    And then Yanyk Gaddafi or Putin for the entire period of rule gave something to doubt !?
  51. bort74
    0
    7 June 2014 10: 42
    Путин не слил. У Путина есть.
  52. oskotr
    +5
    7 June 2014 10: 45
    Была бы наша страна сильной, общество монолитным, то ввели бы войска плевав на Запад. А если ты много лет сдаёшь наши интересы, разрушаешь экономику в угоду Западу, строя себе и своим друзьям дворцы, за счет народа и за счет накопленного предыдущими поколениями. То область принятия приемлемых решений всё время сужается. Конечно, ему бы хотелось продолжать всё как было, блистать на международной арене, строить то сувенирную демократию, то энергетическую державу, херя при этом страну.
    Если вводим войска в Донбасс, то нужно переходить на мобилизационный путь развития, друзей олигархов под нож, либералов-западников вон из Кремля, восстанавливать своё производство, науку, социалку, выходить из ВТО, делать независимой финансовую систему и т.д. Или продолжает дальше хитрить главный хитрожопец России. Может что и выгадает в краткосрочном плане. А закончит развалом страны Николашка II дубль два.
  53. +4
    7 June 2014 10: 46
    Во многом согласен с автором. Мы везде проигрываем информационную войну. Стараемся быть честными, а американцы и гейропейцы врут в наглую и не стесняются.Главное, что результат на лицо. Оболванили половину укров с малых лет.А наше сми могут только порядки в России хаить. А посмотрите, сколько фильмов в Голливуде снято, где русские под калинку-малинку жрут водку! Этот образ прививается и культивируется и сейчас- русские варвары и алкаши. А где наши фильмы про гомиков-европейцев и вечно пьяных кривоногих американских ковбоях? Где пропаганда всего русского? Кавказская молодёжь слушает свою музыку, а что слушают наши обдолбыши? Мы даже внутри страны проигрываем схватку за умы своей молодёжи.
  54. Pesnyadv
    +1
    7 June 2014 10: 50
    Quote: Zauralec
    I will leave my comment here.

    Ситуация очень напоминает 1941 год, Тогда Сталин как мог оттягивал начало войны, понимал, что не готовы, активно шло обучение новых молодых кадров, модернизация вооруженных сил, строительство средств обороны.


    Рискну вас поддержать. good
    Ситуация один в один напоминает 1941 год!!! Только разные имена и оружие намного мощнее.

    Меня волнует истинная причина политики Путина в деле Черномырди-Зурабов-Украина, Сердюков-МО.

    1 option. Эти три морды лица - часть специальной операции Путина. То есть, они выполняли роль лампочек на которых отлавливали по ночам вредных насекомых. Грубо говоря, что это подставы наших ребят в кожаных пиджаках.
    Тогда это очередная операция "Трест" вошедшая в мировую историю!!!

    2 option.
    Черномырдин-Зурабов-Сердюков настоящий провал политики Путина и Правительства. Тогда автор статьи на 100% прав. От нынешней ситуации особо ждать ничего хорошего не придется. Наши правители, как женская юбка. Куда ветер туда и она...

    Лично мне хотелось бы верить в первый вариант hi
  55. 0
    7 June 2014 10: 55
    не знаю как вы, но у меня бы голова лопнула на месте ВВП-представьте солько всего надо держать в уме:и экономика, и внутренняя политика, внешняя, сейчас еще и Украина эта... lol
  56. oskotr
    +3
    7 June 2014 10: 57
    Была бы наша страна сильной, общество монолитным, то ввели бы войска плевав на Запад. А если ты много лет сдаёшь наши интересы, разрушаешь экономику в угоду Западу, строя себе и своим друзьям дворцы, за счет народа и за счет накопленного предыдущими поколениями. То область принятия приемлемых решений всё время сужается. Конечно, ему бы хотелось продолжать всё как было, блистать на международной арене, строить то сувенирную демократию, то энергетическую державу, херя при этом страну.
    Если вводим войска в Донбасс, то нужно переходить на мобилизационный путь развития, друзей олигархов под нож, либералов-западников вон из Кремля, восстанавливать своё производство, науку, социалку, выходить из ВТО, делать независимой финансовую систему и т.д. Или продолжает дальше хитрить главный хитрожопец России. Может что и выгадает в краткосрочном плане. А закончит развалом страны Николашка II дубль два.
  57. +1
    7 June 2014 11: 00
    Автор не учел, или не захотел упоминать один фактор. Голод. Что ждет Украину зимой? "Победители" - ЕС и США должны дать денег не только на вооружение, как обещают в первую очередь, а и на хлебушек. И еще вопрос, что актуальнее. Совершенно резонно возникает следующий: что произойдет сначала - новый (голодный, а потому и более свирепый) майдан в Киеве, или падение рейтинга Путина и майдан в России? Предположу, что Автор намеренно не поднял этот вопрос, т.к. ответ известен. ЕС и США кормить из "дружеских" побуждений никого не собираются.
  58. +1
    7 June 2014 11: 13
    Quote: lexx2038
    I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia.

    Точно будет, а саму Россию поделят на куски. Нерешительные, алчные политики великих держав не строят, а чаще уничтожают их.
  59. 0
    7 June 2014 11: 21
    Quote: 120352
    lexx
    Вы не совсем правы. Украина СНОВА станет Россией. Или вообще перестанет быть. Вечно недозрелое государство, многократно доказывавшее свою несамостоятельность, просто не может без русской опеки.


    Станет, но частично, западные области настолько Русофобны что диалог с ними без пистолета невозможен! Это как паранойя!
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  61. Go Russia
    0
    7 June 2014 11: 25
    [
    Касательно того, прав ли я на тему "хитрого плана" Путина, то пока лишь могу отослать к тем товарищам, которые попрекали меня за критику "хитрого плана" Януковича. Как говорится, ну и где сейчас Янукович со своим "планом"?quote]Шахматы – это не просто спорт. Они делают человека мудрее и дальновиднее, помогают объективно оценить сложившуюся ситуацию, просчитать поступки на несколько "ходов" вперед. А главное, воспитывают характер.

    V.V. Putin.

    Москва, Кремль, 25 ноября 2001 г.

    Источник http://2002.kremlin.ru/pressa/2001112501.html Вероятно Янукович плохо играет в шахматы smile
  62. boris_britva
    -4
    7 June 2014 11: 27
    Quote: lexx2038
    I think Putin is implementing a cunning plan, Ukraine will be Russia.

    ..нет не будет.Путин всех сольет.Он поможет парашенке закрыть границу и зачистить ЮВ
  63. 0
    7 June 2014 11: 30
    Статья как статья ... автор высказал своё мнение ... всё довольно логично изложено ... мы поделились своими взглядами ... И ... и всё.

    Нет пока достаточной информации чтобы серьёзно либо поддержать мнение автора ... либо опровергнуть его ... домыслы на тему это не интересно. Слишком уж серьёзная тема.
  64. +7
    7 June 2014 11: 31
    Comrades!

    Мне кажется, политика обороны себя исчерпала.

    Автору статьи - заслуженный плюс за качественный разбор ситуации.

    Автор прав, что будет плохо в обеих ситуациях: в случае сдачи Новороссии или в случае ввода войск на Украину.

    But!

    Ответ на вопрос "что делать?" лежит на поверхности.

    Нужно открыть второй фронт!

    Нужно где-нибудь в Гейропе или в Америке подогреть и дестабилизировать ситуацию, чтобы уже Запад оборонялся.

    Вариантов много: арабско-турецкие гетто, баски, шотландцы, каталонцы, Венеция... Венгры - хороший вариант, они не комплексуют перед Гейропой в плане защиты своих соотечественников.
    1. Andrey82
      +1
      7 June 2014 12: 59
      А я про это много недель назад писал. Там только одна Мара Сальватруча чего стоит. Если снабжать не напрямую а через третьи страны - северным амерам будет уже не до нас. Но это пока несбыточные мечты. В Кремле опять клюнут на какие-нибудь "договорённости и гарантии" (Горбатый с Януком уже клюнули) и опять их кинут.
  65. boris_britva
    +2
    7 June 2014 11: 33
    Хитрый план? А не находите ничего общего между Стрелковым и Квачковым? В этом ответ на все вопросы к
    Putin
  66. +1
    7 June 2014 11: 42
    Об судьбе Киева можно будет говорить только после выборов в Верховную Раду.Ведь если победит ведьма Тимошенко то конституцию снова поменяют и президент буден только номинальной фигурой а председатель будет решать все важные вопросы.
    Так что с автором я не согласен, с его точки зрения получается, что осталось только стать на четвереньки и вылизывать ботинки всем кто против России.
    Да Путин не хочет больше санкций в отношении буде говорить России(а если точнее против крупного капитала российских олигархов),да у него трудное положение но это не значит что все пропало.
    Знаете есть такая пословица (не помню чья): если ты слабый - покажись сильным,если сильный покажись слабым
  67. tokin1959
    +2
    7 June 2014 11: 42
    может "хитрый" план состоит в том - что Путин все время говорит о прекращении террористической операции укропармии и о начале диалога между восставшими и укропами.
    уже пролились реки крови и о федерализации речи сейчас нет.
    возможно - какими то путями мирный развод по примеру Чехии и Словакии.
    ну если новоиспеченный президет Пораженко на это не пойдейт - тогда ВВП может сказать - ну мы же вас долго предупреждали, а вы продолжаете лить кровь, значит мы поддержим Юго-Восток в его борьбе, с целью силой принудить Киевские власти к миру.
    хорошо, если так.
    а то время идет, льется кровь, погибают мирные жители.
    но - если сейчас Россия "прогнется" под Запад, гнуть будут и дальше, пока не сломают.
    отступать - нельзя...
  68. Andrey82
    0
    7 June 2014 11: 43
    Прочитал предыдущие комменты товарищей всё за всех уже решивших. Мол и Украина войдёт в состав России и то и сё... Объединение возможно и с Белоруссией тоже, но не "присоединение" украин и белоруссий к России, а на воссоздании Большой Руси. Таким образом можно избежать уничижительности по отношению к украинцам и белоруссам - мол присоединили, подчинили. Не всё сразу,понятное дело, до этого нужно дозреть и даже пострадать за это. Ведь наши западные "партнёры" и либерасты спать не будут.
  69. +3
    7 June 2014 11: 49
    Статью плюсовал за смелый, независимый взгляд. На самом деле, какой из Зурабова дипломат. Он был ненавидим в нашей стране, потом ушел на Украину. Такое впечатление, что копируется брежневский подход, когда неугодный политик становится послом в малозначащем государстве. Если Украина для нас - малозначительная цель, то все нормально, послом быть мог бы и зоотехник из соседней деревни.
  70. +3
    7 June 2014 11: 55
    Пора обратить внимание на хитрый план Парашенко, он принял присягу и только что пафосную речь задвинул в Раде. Когда слушаю свидомых, то ловлю себя на мысли, что имею дело с неадекватными и неуравновешенными людьми, "анижедети" в конце-концов. Так и здесь - пафос, эмоции, неподкрепленные возможностями амбиции Парашенко задают такой посыл, что вывод уже после 5 минут слушания - ничего принципиально не поменяется, война и бардак продолжаться, хотя на словах хочет мира новый презик. Если хочешь мира - учись для начала "фильтровать базар", господин Парашенко. Старую заезженную пластинку про террористов, которые терроризируют несчастных жителей Украины, про переговоры, которые "возможны только на условия - сдачи оружия наперед, а потом посмотрим, правда и вести переговоры то не с кем" уже все переслушались. Интересно где найти таких идиотов, которые до переговоров сложат оружие "на милость победителя", и опираясь на честное слово свидомита будут надеяться, что он соизволит о чем-то потом мирно договариваться с быдлом, ватниками, алкашами и наркоманами, не говоря уже про террористов. Короче, услышав слово "террорист" из уст щирого Парашенко можно было дальше ничего не слушать.
  71. -7
    7 June 2014 11: 58
    Статья бред. Писал явно человек противник режима. Я тоже не любитель ВВП, но писать про , то что вот американцы 23 года растили антироссийскую прослойку, а мы как лохи не чего не могли, глупо. Автор явно забыл какие это были 23 года для России. И совсем забыл какой настрой у местных "элит" после развала союза. У нас просто не было рычагов опоры кроме экономического давления и то в последние годы. Но это дело прошлое. Сейчас мы имеем , то что имеем. И весь этот визг про брошенных ополченцев у меня вызывает только раздражение. Как все эти всепропаденци объяснят великолепные действия ополченцев обороняющих малыми силами города? От куда взялись такие специалисты в не когда не воевавшей Украине? Откуда у ополченцев ПЗРК, АГС,ПТУР? Откуда в Словянске автоматы сотой серии с обвесами как у спецназа? Короче не все так просто. Мы чего то не знаем.
  72. parus2nik
    +2
    7 June 2014 12: 07
    Жёстко,верно, но автор не сколько сгустил краски..
  73. +1
    7 June 2014 12: 11
    Хорошая статья. Неудивительно что столько минусов - не любят в нашей стране объективную оценку. Но я все же надеюсь, что Путин не сольет Новороссию - народ не поймет, особенно на фоне " ура-патриотизма" по случаю присоединения Крыма и так называемом укреплении в международной глобальной политике.
  74. msv
    0
    7 June 2014 12: 13
    Quote: admrall
    What kind of smart people we all know, at least a deputy. Putin! HE IS THE HEAD OF THE STATE AND IF DOES SO MEAN NECESSARY!


    Не знаю зачем ВАС заминусовали. Я Вас перефразирую: Мы все обсуждаем ситуацию постфактум и не обладаем всей полнотой информации для принятия решений, в отличие от президента.

    Статье поставил минус из-за выводов в последних двух трех обзацах.
  75. +1
    7 June 2014 12: 14
    Quote: Letun
    A very interesting article, with a sobering analysis of the situation, it's a pity that the uryakalka minus it. But I still disagree about drawing an analogy between "Putin's cunning plan" and "Yanukovych's cunning plan", nevertheless, Putin is a very strong leader, and Yanukovych is a pathetic rag, and this was evident from the very beginning of these events.

    Лидер сильный, это бесспорно, но вот "хитрого плана", похоже, точно нет.
    Хотя, если "хитрым планом" является обрушение экономики де-факто враждебного на данный момент государства Украина, то не все еще потеряно
  76. bda
    bda
    +5
    7 June 2014 12: 21
    "Хитрый план"


    В произведении А.Б.Чаковского "Блокада" (о блокаде Ленинграда в годы Великой Отечественной войны) есть такая сцена: только что вернувшийся с тяжелейших боев на Лужском рубеже, главный герой майор Алексей Звягинцев (в одноименном многосерийном фильме - роль исполняет Ю.М.Соломин), в пропыленной своей гимнастерке идет по улице Ленинграда. Завидев фронтовика, тем более - командира, к нему начинает приставать с разговорами о войне некий умствующий субъект (сейчас таких называют "диванный стратег"). Речь умника (по форме - весьма подобострастная) сводиться, примерно, к тому, что он (такой весь из себя умный, в отличие от галдящих вокруг об отступлении Красной Армии тупoрылыx паникеров), прекрасно понимает, что все это отступление - это некий такой хитрый-прехитрый план, суть которого - заманить поглубже на "родную землю" фашистов, а потом "ударить здесь вот и вот здесь" - обеспечив себе моментальную и легкую победу.
    Пока этот деятель делился своими "стратегмами", у слушающего его майора, недавно оставившего на Лужском рубеже почти весь свой батальон, перед глазами стояли горящие русские избы, из которых с детишками на руках выскакивали обезумевшие от ужаса женщины, да фашистские танки, сметающие все на своем пути.
    В произведении реакция майора А.Звягинцева описывалась приблизительно как: "он думал, что слишком дорогая это вещь - Родная Земля, чтоб можно было так с ней хитрить" (дословно не помню, но - смысл такой).
    Хотя, в глазах прекрасного русского артиста Ю.М.Соломина, в этой сцене в фильме, однозначно читалось желание: "дать бы тебе в морду, сукa, да отправить навстречу этим танкам с одной винтовкой в руках".
  77. +4
    7 June 2014 12: 22
    То что вместо профессионалов поставили "топ-менеджеров" в самом худшем смысле этого слова, все говорят практически с 2003 года, так называемая команда питерских, низкий уровень профессионализма, самовлюблённость,чванство, коррупция вот их удел на последующие 10 лет, пример то же зурабов, табуретка. Про экономическую политику просто можно не говорить, когда ею управляют юристы, получается ...., всем понятно, полный провал политики на украине то же вина высшей власти. Не соглашусь только с нынешней ситуацией, всё более сложнен и запутонее. Европа уже сейчас и это видно по её поведению кусает локти из заварухи в киеве, сами уже не знают как разгребать, штаты потихоньку идут к этому, притом при нарастающем внутреннем скандале с сержантом американской армии.Только ставка на профессионалов, людей преданных нашей РОДИНЕ и НАРОДУ РОССИЙСКОМУ, прислушивание к мнению научной элиты, а не "завлабов вороватых и грязных душой", которые готовы служить РОССИИ, а так же наведение порядка в своём окруженни может дать первые положительные результаты.
  78. +1
    7 June 2014 12: 29
    Статья Полковника Кассада. Это-настоящий патриот-Севастополец. Ему плюс.
    Плана у Путина думаю нет. Есть игра по обстоятельствам. И это пугает. Надеюсь Патриоты в этой игре пересилят либерастню. Да, помощь какая-то тайная по ходу была, но явно небольшая. И то по инициативе кого-то вроде Кадырова, который явно не приемлет глобально-либерастно-гомосяче-фашисткий запад и встает на сторону Российских патриотов, которые пытаются возродить страну с Исторически-Духовными консервативными ценностями, где уважаются все культуры, традиции и т.д.
    Да, Ополченцы держатся, но лично я вижу в этом явное чудо, помощь Божию. Просто массовой храбростью и умением отдельных командиров их победы не объяснить.
  79. yacht
    +2
    7 June 2014 12: 45
    Colonel Cassad - ставлю огромный плюс, всё аргументировано и разложено по полочкам.

    Путин с Крымом вошёл в историю, а вот с Новороссией может в историю вляпаться. Очень хочу чтобы этого не случилось.
  80. bda
    bda
    +2
    7 June 2014 12: 48
    Quote: rereture
    rereture (1) RU Сегодня, 12:07 ↑

    To begin with, we need to improve the literacy of the population in the Russian Federation, so that our people can live without religious fairy tales. I'm talking about Muslims and Orthodox. I am especially hinting at the so-called "consecration" of something. Technique, weapons, etc.


    Еще один умник-намекун, мнящий себя способным "без религиозных сказок" вернуть людям человечность и целостность мировоззрения (видать, на основе своих диванных теорий - сейчас Библию да Коран отредактирует и - вперед).
    Как говорил кто-то из древний китайских философов: "Самое распространенное заблуждение, встречающееся у каждого очередного поколения людей - считать себя умнее предшественников".
    Так что перед тем, как "для начала" в очередной раз пытаться замахиваться на православие и ислам, может лучше вспомнить, что Великая наша Россия как раз и была создана такими всеми "неповышенными по грамотности" из себя православными людьми, да мусульманами. А всякие "повышенные" умники все чего смогли добиться, так это кровопролития несусветного в стиле "брат на брата", да такого развала всех устоев, что до сих пор не ясно - прошли мы уже, как народ и как цивилизация, "точку невозврата", или все еще имеем шанс возродиться.
    1. 0
      7 June 2014 13: 31
      Quote: bda
      Великая наша Россия как раз и была создана такими всеми "неповышенными по грамотности" из себя православными людьми, да мусульманами. А всякие "повышенные" умники все чего смогли добиться, так это кровопролития несусветного в стиле "брат на брата


      +100 Вам. Я вот тоже людям одурманенным атеистической-комсомольской брехней тоже пытаюсь на конкретных фактах объяснять, что ВСЕ достижения России были сделаны как раз верующими людьми. Начиная с того, что от Волги до Тихого Океана дошли казаки (глубоко верующее Православное сословие того времени, не нынешние "ряженые")и заканчивая тем, что все войны были выиграны глубоко верующими полководцами : Суворов, Ушаков, Невский, Донской, Кутузов и т. (Жуков тоже, кстати, согласно свидетельтву его дочери).
      Так что если тупо верить результату, а не разлагольствованиям философов, то общество основанное на атеизме и "общечеловеческих гуманных ценностях", мягко говоря вообще не впечатляет.
      P.S. 90% Великих ученых (именно ученых в реальных науках, а не психиатров с философами) были верующими людьми.
      Так что по плодам давайте судить будем. Теорий Дарвина и других "великих мыслей" я вам сколько угодно сам насочиняю
  81. +3
    7 June 2014 12: 48
    Сторонникам Путина и его хитрого плана. Помните, как составы с оружием из Крыма уходили? Пусть устаревшие гаубицы, но по Славянску бьют.
  82. +2
    7 June 2014 12: 52
    Можно соглашаться или нет с автором данной статьи,но то что нашу страну поставили перед выбором по-моему однозначно ясно.Или наше руководство должно принять решение о вводе войск и полной оккупации территории Украины со всеми последствиями(жертвы,политическая изоляция,удар по экономике,и.т.д),или на территории Украины при помощи США и Европы будет создано враждебное нашей стране государство с обученной и экипированной армией, зомбированном населением и полным разрывом экономических связей с Россией.Это мечта наших исторических врагов - стран Запада.
    Может есть другой вариант решения сегодняшней проблемы Украины,но я его к сожалению не вижу.
  83. +2
    7 June 2014 12: 54
    Проблема носит характер классического выбора между войной и позором. Либо мы идем на условия Запада и демонстрируем Китаю, Ирану и всем потенциальным союзникам на Востоке свою зависимость в критической обстановке, либо идем на конфронтацию с Западом...
    При этом даже временное улучшение отношений с Западом не меняет общей картины: США слишком явно продемонстрировали свой интерес в выдавливании России из Европы, чтобы этого не замечать. Если они сумеют продавить один раз сдачу позиций — далее Штаты будут действовать по нарастающей.
    Anatoly El-Murid
  84. bda
    bda
    +1
    7 June 2014 12: 57
    Quote: rereture
    rereture (1) RU Сегодня, 12:18 ↑

    I would like to revive that pregnant woman who was raped and strangled with a wire in the trade union house in Odessa and tell her about this tricky plan.


    A little clarification.

    1. She was not pregnant (old overweight woman, and such a position of the body)

    2. She was not raped (where did you get this information from?)

    3. Events in Odessa are muddy, they burned both Maydanuty and Atnimaydan residents in the house (personally, my version came to it by analyzing the photos)


    Короче: как и вещает Пятый канал незалежной - она сама виновата!
  85. -2
    7 June 2014 13: 03
    1.Собственно я бы сейчас затянул переговоры по газу до 10. Отключил газ Киеву.
    2. Проплатил независимой(от Киева) группе "Правого Сектора" хорошую диверсию на газопроводе.
    3. Лоббировал в Европе сменить условия кредитов МВФ под залог газовой украинской трубы(контроль поставок в Европу) и разрешения "Южного потока" и оплату газового долга целевыми траншами.

    Под эти преференции Россия взялась бы за ремонт трубы (если не перехватят иные подрядчики)
    1. +1
      7 June 2014 16: 47
      Quote: Deff
      1.Собственно я бы сейчас затянул переговоры по газу до 10. Отключил газ Киеву.
      2. Проплатил независимой(от Киева) группе "Правого Сектора" хорошую диверсию на газопроводе.
      3. Лоббировал в Европе сменить условия кредитов МВФ под залог газовой украинской трубы(контроль поставок в Европу) и разрешения "Южного потока" и оплату газового долга целевыми траншами.

      Под эти преференции Россия взялась бы за ремонт трубы (если не перехватят иные подрядчики)

      Для непонятливых с минусами = Все эти деньги(~ 2млн $/день) идут на АТО. И пока не обрезать эти дотации, в Донецке будут убивать. А все выжидательные тактики "Полной победы во всей Украине" - просто не состоится, поскольку все наши в Донецке будут перебиты.

      Поскольку народ будет считать что Путин "слил" Юго-Восток, не будет никакой поддержки в России и никаких преобразований. Если Вам нравиться жить при Ельцине, или вы боитесь обгадиться за санкции - ставьте минусы!
  86. Pesnyadv
    +3
    7 June 2014 13: 06
    Quote: Magadan

    Плана у Путина думаю нет. Есть игра по обстоятельствам. И это пугает.


    Это страшный вывод!!!

    Всегда и по конечному результату выигрывает ТОЛЬКО СИСТЕМА!!! good
    Системы по отношению к Украине, к США и НАТО у Путина не видно!?

    Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from afar. soldier

    Но рискну предложить:

    - Всемерная поддержка ВСЕГО, что ведет к развалу США. США, как государство должно быть развалено!!!
    - Подготовка к полномасштабному перевороту в Киеве и передаче власти пророссийскому правительству и политикам.
    - Более активно изолировать кремлевских либералов (читай - врагов России)
    - Заставить олигархов активно участвовать в социальных проектах РОССИИ
    - Национализировать все неэффективные производства, важные для России

    Then continue yourself ... hi
    1. +1
      7 June 2014 13: 37
      Хорошо, что люди начинают видеть то, что пишите Вы.
      Как бы еще сделать так, что бы правящей либерастне, которая продана западу, дошло, что мы прекрасно понимаем на чьей они стороне, и мы прекрасно знаем, что они всячески будут тупить, включать дуру, делать что угодно, чтобы Новороссия проиграла даже не смотря на личные симпатии Путина, Шойгу, Лаврова,Рогозина, Кадырова и т.д.
      Касательно США : все вероятно. Даже борьба за независимость Техаса, которые имеет полное право на самостоятельность, и жители которого представляют собой собственный суб-этнос.
      1. +2
        7 June 2014 14: 15
        Для того чтобы успеть это воплотить, необходимо прекратить субсидирование дешевым газом и принудить отдавать часть кредитов по газовым долгам.
        Иначе все эти средства инвестируются в АТО, а провал Киевом социальной политики будет списан на агрессию Москвы. А наших побед и преобразований просто не будет. Поскольку Юго-Восток с такими вливаниями просто выкосят. А горечь поражения и слив Юго-Востока обрезает всю народную поддержку Путина и все трансформации.
  87. Dracula
    0
    7 June 2014 13: 08
    Надеюсь П взял у Яныка карту с тайными тропами - скоро понадобится. Зря он его приютил, Синдром Каддафи оказался заразен.
  88. bda
    bda
    +1
    7 June 2014 13: 11
    Quote: Alekseev
    So how should it be?

    Надо так, чтоб люди, которым, быть может, завтра придется идти в атаку понимали ясно и четко - зачем и почему они это делают.
    И что не будет вновь "березовщины" в стиле: "Взять занимаемую дудаевцами высоту любой ценой!" Потом (как взяли, устлав телами подходы к ней) - звонок в Москву по спутниковому телефону: "Ладно, убедил. По твоей цене будем работать." После чего: "Высоту оставить. Отойти на прежние позиции".
    А "лидеры", которые думают, что они такие умные, что могут плести себе хитроумные интриги, как им в голову взбредет, а народ всегда будет отвечать: "Есть!" и подниматься в атаку без страха и упрека...
    Да... Были такие "умные интриганы". Каддафи, например, упоминаемый не редко! Прожженейший политик! Доинтриговался "и нашим, и вашим" - когда "ваши" кинули, "наши" встать за него проливать кровь уже на захотели.
  89. +1
    7 June 2014 13: 15
    прочёл... подумал. автору + не смотря на многие ляпы, НО ! 95% содержания даёт хороший посыл для того, что бы думать головй а не жевать сопли от зомбоящика.
    I have the honor! hi
  90. -2
    7 June 2014 13: 16
    По поводу А-Путин все слил.... Крым в России , Юго-восток де факто отделился.
    По поводу Б-хитрый план...... Неужели вы думаете что ПТРК и ПЗРК в таких количествах можно где то просто так достать??)))
  91. 0
    7 June 2014 13: 23
    Quote: SHILO
    So there will be 2-3 million refugees for the implementation of the Russian national idea!
    Tricky plan.

    Меня тоже такая мысль посещала. И ще вот:
    - сегодняшние события в Украине - как прививка от "бешества" в России. Болотная то 18 мая накрылась медным тазом и , думаю, надолго.
    - у кого Украина останется, тот и вынужден будет "вложиться". Сейчас придеться поднимать Украину Западу. американцы тянут на "подсосе" - доллар еле дышит. Соответсвенно хитрые США напрягают ЕС, а Европа, понятно, не в восторге. Тут и нужно клин вбивать ВВП. Вероятно такое и делается.
    - история это "маятник", когда-то, но обратка пойдет. Янукович на таких настроениях и пришел в президенты. Вот только колыхнет уже жостко и на десятки лет...

    И стаття нормальная, человек думающий и черпает инфу где возможно...
  92. 0
    7 June 2014 13: 28
    Наши преференции в данном положении - развязанные руки по отношению к остальному миру. Недавно знакомая приехала из штатов - даже там подавляющее большинство относится к России и Путину лично с большим уважением. Что уж говорить за остальные страны?
  93. +2
    7 June 2014 13: 41
    Очень верная, грамотная и правильная статья в части анализа нашей деятельности в Украине. Стыдно и обидно за все происшедшее и прав автор, что только глупые американские промахи не дали нам потерять здесь все. Нахождение Зурабова и Черномырдина в роли послов будет икаться нам еще долгие десятилетия. У нас что в стране нет карьерных дипломатов и некого посылать на ответственную работу? Давно пора покончить с идиотской практикой посылки думарей и бывших министров в роли послов. Надо работать, а не изображать из себя гауляйтеров от Газпрома. Работа с населенем и элитами на Украине полностью провалена и об этом знает весь мир. Здесь все - неверные цели и методы, вопиющая безграмотность, пренебрежение, тщеславие. Как теперь все это разгребать абсолютно непонятно. Моральный, материальный и репутационный ущерб от всего происшедшего огромен и врядли ограничится этими 200 млрд. Очень надеюсь, что ВВП наконец наведет здесь порядок и мы начнем работать эффективно.
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  95. +2
    7 June 2014 13: 53
    Нет никакого плана, тихо "плывём" по течению!
  96. +1
    7 June 2014 13: 55
    РУССКИЕ! "Гасите" 5-ую колнну в СМИ и будет Вам счастье....
  97. +1
    7 June 2014 14: 13
    Интересная статья! Правда, как мне кажется, несколько однобокая! в историческом смысле несколько узко, правление Ельцина упоминается вскольз, все упирается в лично Путина, ну может и ближайшего окружения, не упоминается как и в каком окружении пришел Путин к власти, имею ввиду лица и обстановка на тот момент, на каких людей он должен был опираться, на людей которые были у власти при Ельцине, и мое мнение, считавшего Путина более марионеткой, а не самостоятельным лидером, и кто мне подскажет где сейчас все те люди? и наверное мало кто знает как менялись политические и мировозренческие взгляды самого Путина?! и как менялись эти взгляды в самой России?! А тут сразу, провал политики, попал в вилку..можно конечно сказать что была куча времени для установления власти и и тд, но посмотрите на себя, сколько изменилось за вашу жизнь в течении 10-12 лет?! я имею ввиду именно личную жизнь, без относительно экономического состояния страны...
    А насчет Украины, если не брать в расчет Запад, санкции и тд, такое ощущения что те, кто хочет ввода войск и разгона хунты, ждут быстрой компании, чуть ли ни парада по дорогам Украины, по примеру Крыма, не, я не сомневаюсь что российская армия рассколотит украинскую, вопрос в другом, как долго нужно будет удерживать несомненно будущую власть на Украине на российских штыках, ведь наверняка и 100 тыс солдат на это не хватит, и сколько российская экономика это выдержит? и насколько у россиян хватит выдержки? и куда денется программа перевооружения армии? и тд, и тп, 100500 вопросов??
    Можно говорить о провале, а можно говорить о череде кризисов между и западом и миром которому поднадоело роль всемирного полицейского в лице США, тут Россию используют как кулак для расшатывания данной ситуации, что неудивительно если посмотреть на вес России, в политическом и военном смысле!
    да еще много чего можно понаписать, толку-то...так просто выложил что в голове нарисовалось..
  98. +2
    7 June 2014 14: 59
    О "Хитром плане ВВП, говорить сейчас , мне кажется глупо...
    Кремль сейчас действует, скорее всего вообще без плана. Не видно ни какой четкой линии и что он вообще хочет. Кроме заявлений в совбезе ООН нет ничего.
    Обращения республик полностью игнорируются, по крайней мере официально, раз СМИ молчат.
    Как по мне, сегодняшняя политика не внятна и непонятна. Во всяком все ранние заявления, о русском мире, о защите и прочее. Выглядят, на сегодня обычной риторикой. Печально...
    Правда, я против ввода войск сейчас, но помощь республикам оказывать надо и гуманитарную и военную и финансовую. Не так дорого, это сейчас стоит...
  99. Samposebe
    +2
    7 June 2014 15: 11
    GAS CONTRACT WITH JAVA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uCR6eYe_Mwo
    --------------------
    Egor Kholmogorov on the appeal of I. Strelkov:

    “... Strelkov was simply cut off from the officer reinforcements from Russia.

    Igor Ivanovich’s appeal unfortunately confirms the hypothesis that has long appeared that the boundary for
    trained volunteers are blocked not so much from the Ukrainian as from the Russian side !!!
    Otherwise, it’s not possible to imagine that there were at least 30-50 officers for the whole huge RF,
    who would not come for these 1,5 months. I heard a lot of bad rumors about how people
    “Strongly do not recommend” to go - and this has developed into a not very good overall picture.

    The border must be broken both from the Ukrainian and from our side and the actual opposition to interests
    The Russian people in the Donbass should be under our harshest criticism.

    One way or another, Strelkov put it very clearly.
    There is no need to wait for military assistance from the chickened out elite of the Russian Federation .... "

    http://3rm.info/47468-ob-obraschenii-igorya-strelkova-mne-ne-nuzhna-podderzhka-m
    ne-nuzhna-armiya.html
    ----------------
    Address of Colonel Strelkov:

    "... This is not enough for military intervention ???
    How many corpses still need to make a decision?
    Or do I need to instead of a tough defense to save people?
    Mass evacuation? I can’t do even that with my humble powers
    ... We ask for publicity. Maximum. 03.06.14. 19:15 "

    (opinions that locals in the Donbass prefer not to pick up arms - so that for them
    this was done by someone else, as an excuse for the inaction of the Russian authorities - there is DISINFORMATION. For reference
    (according to Strelkov himself): 90% of the militias are local, the remaining 10% are visiting Cossacks, Russians, Ossetians,
    Chechens, there are even Poles ...)

    http://anna-news.info/node/16737

    ... and here’s what the deputy of Kolomoisky Filatov says about us Russians:
    http://ruskombat.info/zam-kolomoyskogo-evrey-filatov-..
    ---------------------------

    ANALYSIS OF THREATS TO RUSSIA. Without horror stories, short, clear, understandable. Konstantin Sivkov.

    http://3rm.info/47489-konstantin-sivkov-analiz-ugroz-..

    http://3rm.info/47509-putin-ty-predal-rus-rezultat-vc..
    http://3rm.info/47511-dnr-osudila-predstoyaschiy-vizi..
    http://3rm.info/47510-vladimir-markin-to-chto-tvoryat..
    -------------------------
  100. +1
    7 June 2014 15: 41
    Quote from rudolf
    Нельзя его было оставлять у себя, любым путем вынудить вернуться на Украину. Пускай не в Киев, пускай это был бы Харьков, Донецк, Луганск. Пускай под охраной русского спецназа, коль уж трусом таким оказался, но вернуть. Это был наш козырь, который мы бездарно скинули со стола. Под угрозой (вплоть до этого!) выдачи его киевской хунте, Янукович подписал бы любые бумаги и в том числе обращение к Российской Федерации с просьбой о вводе воинского контингента в связи с вооруженным переворотом в Киеве. Мы могли бы получить юридический карт-бланш и не изображали бы сейчас "корову в бомболюке". Кстате американцы, когда просили (требовали) не сорвать выборы нового президента, именно такого расклада больше всего и боялись! Но... У Путина свой "хитрый план". Очень хитрый.

    Я до последнего момента( до 25 мая), ждал именно этого плана. Это был бы "Высший Пилотаж"!

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