In the future, Russia will need the Moon and Mars

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Russia is not going to extend the operation of the International Space Station (ISS), which American colleagues strongly suggest. On this occasion, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin replied that the ISS is needed before 2020. After this period, financial resources will be redirected to other, more promising space projects. Thanks to the published draft Concept of the Russian lunar program, today we have the opportunity to understand the future priorities of Russian cosmonautics.

According to the concept presented in the media, Russia plans to explore the moon in several stages before 2050. At the first stage, from 2016 to 2025, the 4 automatic interplanetary stations are planned to be sent to the natural satellite of the Earth, the main task of which will be to determine the composition of the lunar soil and select the most suitable place for arranging the lunar base. At the second stage, from 2028 to 2030, the ship, which is being developed by RSC Energia, is planned to carry out manned expeditions to the Moon without disembarking the satellite. In 2030-2040, the first elements of the infrastructure, including the astronomical observatory, are planned to be deployed on the moon. For a successful breakthrough of Russia into space, a new Vostochny cosmodrome is being actively built.

If we talk about the time frames of the program, they now look much more realistic than before. For example, the former head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, voiced the agency’s plans to equip a manned expedition to a natural satellite of the Earth as early as 2020. Along the way, it is worth noting that at this stage of development only Russia from the entire international club of space powers has not sent to the other planets a single own spacecraft. This also needs to be taken into account when talking about the timing of the Russian space program.

At the same time, there is no place for the ISS in the new concept. However, before the 2020, the station will function in any case, and by this time the PRC is going to launch its own orbital station. The Chinese station Tiangong-3, weighing 60 tons, will be operated for at least 10 years. Due to this, by the 2020 year, two orbital stations will be in orbit of the Earth, at best, only one Chinese will be in the worst, and the ISS can repeat the fate of the Mir space station.

At the same time Russia has someone to explore space. The plans of the PRC also have a place for the development of our only satellite. Moreover, China, after a successful landing on the lunar surface of the Chang'e-3 apparatus and the successful mission of its own lunar rover, The Jade Hare, beats all the main participants in the new moon race on points. To consolidate on the surface of the moon, China, like Russia, is counting on 2050 year. After that, China and Russia are very likely to master the moon by joint efforts, because, unlike the EU and the US, Russian-Chinese relations are currently not overshadowed by the difference in geopolitical interests and mutual sanctions. In fairness it should be noted that it is quite difficult to predict relations between Russia and the PRC in almost 40 years.

Interest in space exploration is shown by such countries as India and Iran. And if the latter is only at the very beginning of the cosmic path, then India expects to carry out the first manned space flight by 2020, and by the year 2030 is ready to join the program for the exploration of the Moon. At the same time, India is going to explore space in close cooperation and cooperation with Russia.

Adjustments of the state program "Russia's space activity for 2013-2020 years"

The state program “Space Activity of Russia for 2013-2020”, which was approved by the Russian government back in 2012, was subject to adjustment in 2014. The text of this program, I want to believe that this is its final version, was published online on the official website of the Federal Space Agency. Alexander Milkovsky, who holds the post of general director of the main scientific organization of Roscosmos - FSUE TsNIIMash, made comments on this program on the pages of the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper.

According to him, certain adjustments to the program were associated with changes in funding for 2013-2015 years, as well as the technical unavailability of some devices and the appearance of new projects on the horizon. Among the new areas of work, he singled out the ExoMars project. The agreement between the European Space Agency and Roscosmos on cooperation in the study of the red planet and other bodies of our solar system with the help of robotic means was signed 14 March 2013. In order to implement this agreement, it was decided to include a development project called ExoMars in the draft state program. 2013 billion rubles should be allocated to this project only from 2015 to 3,42.

In addition, the new edition of the program indicates the need to develop a new super-heavy rocket. The necessary technical and project reserves are planned to be created by the 2025 year, by the same time it is planned to begin experiments on ground testing of the elements of the launch vehicle. There are clarifications on the design of a promising manned transport system, if in the text of the previous program it was said about its creation by 2018, now flight tests are only expected to start in 2021. Such a shift in terms of the project was due to the fact that a spacecraft intended already for flights to the moon, and not just to near-earth orbit, would pass the test. It is reported that to conduct a series of tests of this ship will be involved in a new heavy-class rocket, which will replace the "Proton". In addition, the new space program provides for the development of a cargo landing complex, a manned takeoff and landing complex, as well as other infrastructure facilities that Russia will need to explore the moon.
In the future, Russia will need the Moon and Mars

Today, the leading Russian space industry design bureau - the State Research and Production Space Center named after MV Khrunichev, RSC Energia OJSC, S. P. Korolev State Research and Production Space Center TsSKB-Progress OJSC and GREC Makeeva OJSC are working on projects of launch vehicles of various payloads related to the super heavy class. At the first stage, such a rocket should put into orbit loads of up to 80 tons. Possessing a rocket of similar payload, it will be possible to launch a manned spacecraft into space, designed to fly around the moon, as well as allowing lunar expeditions to be carried out on board a satellite.

The Russian designers should decide on the look of the new rocket already in 2014 year. Currently, as part of the research work on the Magistral project, a technical project has been prepared, and the leading Russian design bureaus have begun work on the creation of advance projects for the KrK, a space-launched missile system with a super-heavy-class launch vehicle. These works should be completed in December of this year. After that, an examination of the submitted avanprojects will be carried out together with the FCA, as well as all interested organizations. After that, the technical characteristics of the complex and its appearance will be finally determined, and the terms of reference for its development will be prepared. The development work on the development of the Krk with a super heavy-class LV is included in the project of the Federal Space Program of Russia for the 2016-2025 years.

This is only the first stage of work on the creation of new missiles. At the second stage, it is planned to increase the energy capabilities of launch vehicles. The rockets with enhanced power supply will be needed to solve the most ambitious tasks of a more distant future (the creation of bases on the moon, expeditions to Mars, visits to various asteroids, etc.). From this stage of the program, regular flights to the moon should begin, as well as preparations for making flights to extraterrestrial space for removal more than 1,5 million kilometers from our planet.

The second stage involves the implementation of space flights to the moon using a single-launch scheme, that is, without conducting intermediate docks, creating lunar energy (nuclear, thermonuclear, solar), regular flights of astronaut crews to the moon, increasing the duration of a person’s stay on the moon (from several weeks to several months ), the creation of the first lunar productions, testing of complexes for the implementation of flights to Mars and asteroids. To solve all these problems, Russia will need a launch vehicle that can launch up to 160 tons of payload into space.

Why the moon?

Nowadays, when economic crises occur on the planet every now and then, many do not understand the importance of mastering and exploring the moon. According to Alexander Milkovsky, everything depends on our point of view on this question. If we approach the issue from the point of view of obtaining short-term gain, we really do not need the Moon. But any economic crisis is not the most dangerous phenomenon for the Earth. They have been and will happen again. The crisis of ideas, the loss of scientific schools and technologies, the de-intellectualization of society are much more dangerous for all of humanity. No one will argue with the fact that an educated person will be able to cope with any problems, including those from the field of economics, much faster. In this regard, cosmonautics is precisely the area where, due to the high complexity of the tasks being solved, the most intellectual personnel and development potential are always concentrated.

If we talk about the moon, then the natural satellite of the Earth, of course, can be attributed to space objects of strategic importance. The moon is our science laboratory, the energy and fossil resources of the future, the testing ground and the development of new technologies, the space port for future generations of earthlings. Science and the world do not stand still, they are constantly evolving. In the future, the Russian Federation will need both the Moon and the red planet, but if the necessary groundwork is not made in the present, then we will be left behind and cannot compete with other participants in the space race. To restore from scratch the entire system of manned cosmonautics in the future has become much more expensive and more difficult.

Today, there is no unity in whether Russia needs a lunar program, even among Russian space experts. Many of them argue with each other, believing that flying to the moon is only a passed stage, a repetition of what was already in the 70s of the XX century. However, it’s rather strange to think so. With the same success, one could “freeze”, for example, the development of the whole aviation right after the Wright brothers took to the air something resembling an airplane and flying only a few tens of meters. At the same time, scientific and technological progress over the past few decades has developed not even jerkily, but a fantastic take-off. Modern science and the production base have gone far from the possibilities of half a century ago. In this regard, the possibilities and functionality for the exploration and exploration of the moon today there is much more.

Nowadays, the Moon is a bottomless storehouse of knowledge about the Earth, if we consider it from the point of view of conducting basic research. The origin of the Earth and the Moon are closely related. In order to finally reconstruct all the processes of the origin of life on Earth, conducting scientific studies of lunar education are very important.

Eric Galimov, who is a member of the bureau of the Council of the Russian Academy of Sciences on space, as early as 2009, in his work “Plans and miscalculations”, which was devoted to the problems of exploration of extraterrestrial space, emphasized the fact that the expediency of humanity’s return to the Moon’s exploration is due to at least four factors: ) Currently, the factual material that was received in the 1-60 years of the XX century has been fully comprehended and reworked. 70) New tasks were formulated that are associated with the development of cosmochemistry and geology. 2) There are tools and technologies that allow to obtain new data with accuracy and detail, which previously simply were not available to scientists. 3) There were projects to create stations on the Earth’s satellite designed for astronomical observations, extraction and use of lunar resources, etc.

The last point is especially interesting. Competition for natural resources that are on the moon, can turn serious. On the natural satellite of the Earth there is a lot of helium, while this is not about an inert gas without smell and color, but its light isotope - helium-3. Helium-3 is the best raw material for a controlled nuclear fusion reaction. At the same time, the reserves of this isotope on the moon are huge. Experts estimate them in a million tons. According to Eric Galimov, the reserves on the moon would be enough for humanity for a thousand years. Only one ton of helium-3 can replace 20 million tons of oil. In order to meet the needs of the entire Earth during the year, it would take all 200 tons of this lunar substance. The current need of Russia is estimated at 20-30 tons per year.

At the same time, the content of helium-3 in the lunar soil is insignificant and amounts to only about 10 mg per tonne of soil. This concentration means that in order to meet earthly needs, it will be necessary to open about 20 billion tons of reagent each year, this is equivalent to the area of ​​100 per 30 km with the depth of the 3 formation meter. Understanding the grandeur of design and work, it would be necessary to deploy the earth’s mining industry and its fuel and energy complex on the moon. This process will take more than one decade, but it is necessary to start it now, the academician believes.

Information sources:
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/20539
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/proch-iz-zemnoy-kolibeli-k-planam-rossii-po-osvoeniyu-kosmosa
http://www.mk.ru/science/2014/05/27/v-perspektive-rossii-ponadobyatsya-i-luna-i-mars.html
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  1. +9
    5 June 2014 09: 49
    Russia will have two new subjects of the Federation - Lunar and Martian :)
    1. +4
      5 June 2014 12: 36
      Pff the first empire of the solar system laughing
    2. +2
      5 June 2014 13: 03
      Rogozin is still a fine fellow - gave a shock to the amers on the ISS - sold them "vouchers" only until 2018 (we will flood in 2018). Amers themselves will not pull this (the new station), but will pull - do not high with them, there will not be enough money for another. And ours and the Chinese have deployed their station. Moreover, there will be money left for the Moon and Mars.
      1. 0
        6 June 2014 01: 29
        Only a base in orbit is necessary and preferably an asteroid of decent size in a geostationary orbit, for the development of minerals.
        1. +1
          8 June 2014 05: 27
          Quote: schizophrenic
          ... and preferably a decent-sized asteroid in geostationary orbit ...

          belay belay belay ?!?!?!
          Tipun your tongue, suicide! fool
  2. +9
    5 June 2014 09: 50
    Russia is not going to extend the operation of the International Space Station (ISS), which American colleagues persistently propose to do. ..If American colleagues also insist, all the more not worth it ...
    1. +3
      5 June 2014 10: 40
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia is not going to extend the operation of the International Space Station (ISS), which American colleagues persistently propose to do. ..If American colleagues also insist, all the more not worth it ...

      Everything that the Yankees are good at is counter-indicative to Russian.
    2. 0
      10 June 2014 16: 28
      Orbital stations, perhaps a passed stage. IMHO Something is not visible to the promised "exhaust" from their operation. In fact, it is a tourist island. So maybe it's time to aim for more? Even a failed climb on a rock is much higher than a successful climb on a stool. Not everyone is spending money on shows and politics.
  3. +1
    5 June 2014 09: 53
    Interestingly, are any engines being developed? Those. not the burning of matter, but for example gravitational or electromagnetic? The opinion of experts is interesting to really make an electromagnetic engine of high power which, due to a change in the thrust vector, could both slow down and accelerate the ship without changing its orientation to the opposite (forward nozzles), and is it theoretically possible to achieve 1/5 of the speed of light in a short period of time (week) ( 60000 km / s)?
    1. 0
      5 June 2014 10: 45
      Comrade Shklovsky still described magnetoplasma engines, so far only chemistry, well, or plasma type SPD-100 powered by a nuclear reactor, but with the latter it is still unclear whether it is in iron or not, like in the Institute of Physics named after Leipunsky they said what to do under the existing fairing may
    2. capitalist
      +4
      5 June 2014 12: 40
      Quote: jayich
      Interestingly, are any engines being developed?

      the most promising area is electric rocket engines. promising Hall and magnetoplasmodynamic are added to the already mastered ion

      solar sail is also in the near future .. NRE - a little further .. a lot of problems
      "Ie not burning matter, but for example gravitational or electromagnetic?"
      you look too much fiction .. no gravitational engine is possible .. anti-gravity - in theory, yes, but I think in a million years))
      The opinion of experts is interesting to really make an electromagnetic engine of high power which, due to a change in the thrust vector, could both slow down and accelerate the ship without changing its orientation to the opposite (forward nozzles),
      STOA? )) I generally thought that by an electromagnetic engine you mean something like a Gauss cannon and a railgun in orbit .. this is possible but ineffective and only suitable for delivering cargo - the overloads are huge, no equipment, and even more so people can't stand it .. and you mean something friend? the electromagnetic "motor" does not and cannot have a thrust vector)) if you really adhere to strict terminology - an electromagnetic motor is a motor in your electric lawn mower ..) and if it comes to that, then you will first understand the theory of motion in space .. if you so call real-life electric rocket engines - that is, there is both fuel and gas outflow. there is no combustion - the gases flow out at a high speed due to the creation of a difference in electrical potentials.
      and theoretically, is it possible to achieve in a short period of time (week) 1/5 of the speed of light (60000 km / s)?
      can. but very, very soon. plus such a speed will be achievable only with photon engines (NRE will never give so much) .. and this is the energy level of stellar and thousands and thousands of years of development.
      plus for such acceleration it is necessary to somehow solve the issue of congestion .. to reach 60 km \ s in a week you should have an acceleration of 000 m \ s this is more than 99,2G))) people will turn into a cake)
      1. 0
        5 June 2014 14: 06
        No, by electromagnetic, I meant, in principle, everyone knows that if you put the permanent magnets + k + to each other, then they repel each other, and if you place them slightly at an angle at a small distance from each other, put the reflectors in the right places?
        And if you try to compensate for the overload of email. magnetic field?
        In general, I read the fiction, did you accidentally find Tesla’s works to read at your leisure?
        1. capitalist
          +4
          5 June 2014 14: 39
          sorry, but urgently to school)
          Do you think in this case energy, residual magnetic induction, is it taken from the air ??? in a permanent magnet, it is accumulated in the material .. not only that, to solve your problem, its strength is ridiculously small and catastrophically decreases with increasing distance between the magnets .. most importantly, for it to appear there, you must first apply an external magnetic field .. energy first to create it .. then why bother with a magnets garden, isn’t it easier to use this energy directly?

          I can’t understand about the rest .. what will the angle arrangement give you ?? ) and what other reflectors are you going to have ???? magnetic field ??????)))

          And if you try to compensate for the overload of email. magnetic field?
          the result will be the same as when digging trenches with a toothbrush. how can the electromagnetic field help you in this case ?????
          1. 0
            5 June 2014 15: 39
            capitalist, for a start, read about the theory of brown-bifold, and I’ll open the secret-psg-plasma-statistical generator as the basis of the anti-gravity engine exists, but the engine itself WILL NOT-why, think for yourself.
            1. +2
              6 June 2014 13: 06
              plasma statistical generator as the basis of anti-gravity engineоa body exists, but the engine itself has createdоTHERE WILL NOT-why, think for yourself.
              Give a link to read about this miracle-yudo? And then Google does not know about him. My physical education too. Though at leisure I will be engaged in self-education. You look, with due persistence I will learn to write with spelling mistakes. Just like you.
              wassat
            2. +1
              10 June 2014 16: 42
              The Brown-Bifeld effect as an engine for a spacecraft is automatically unsuitable laughing This phenomenon and the flying models based on it are often used by various theories of alternative science (electrogravity, fantastic UFO technologies, secret experiments of governments of different countries, etc.). The values ​​of the lifting force or thrust of the ion engine obtained during the experiments are in good agreement with the theoretical values ​​obtained for the physical model described above. To verify the theory, experiments were carried out at low pressures and in vacuum, in the absence of a gas medium, the effect disappears, at low pressures it is observed at voltages below the onset of electric breakdown of the gas.

              Destroyers of legends also checked. In vacuum, the elevator does not work.

              Question number 2 plasma-statistical generator - what kind of wonder? generates plasma statistics? So excuse me - bullshit!
          2. 0
            6 June 2014 18: 50
            Damn a little wrong formulated using the principle of permanent magnets, naturally heavy duty electric powered from a nuclear reactor. And use the electromagnetic field according to the monorail principle to rotate some part of the ship to create gravity.
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      2. 0
        5 June 2014 15: 25
        Capitalist, for example, recently in the program on space prospects, talked about the secret NRE already existing from the 80s. And they informed the viewers about the photon engine, if I'm not mistaken, they just built it. By the way, all the projects are still Soviet, and today they are being finalized. So, good luck to RosKosmos. good
        1. 0
          5 June 2014 21: 50
          YARD "RD-001" was tested in the early 60s on the ground. The probability of a failure in technology exists, and nobody wants to get a nuclear reactor on their heads. Therefore, planes with nuclear propellants became a joke. About the photon engine, please, to science fiction writers. Meso-substance was described by the Strugatskys, but so far it is not. Antimatter is mined at accelerators in supermicron doses, and the problem of the magnetic trap has not yet been solved.
        2. +1
          6 June 2014 13: 15
          Capitalist, for information, recently in the program on space prospects, talked about the secret NRE already existing since the 80s.
          Your sicreta is a hundred years old at lunch.
          And they informed the viewers about the photon engine, if I'm not mistaken, they just built it. By the way, all the projects are still Soviet, and today they are being finalized.
          What are you talking about?! ... Really ?! No wonder Grandma Vanga and Nostradamus were broadcasting ... He lived, waited ... I’ll cry ...

          In Soviet times, I’m afraid to make a mistake, even Murzilka mentioned more than once. For the magazines Young Technician, Model Designer, Technique of Youth, Science and Life and others - I answer. And in all kinds of books ...

          For your information, in our time, photonic engines have long been used in everyday life, hunting and fishing. And many more where. In each car there are many of them. Even built into most disposable lighters and a considerable number of cell phones. Called - an electric flashlight. But we don’t fly to the stars on such engines yet. Alas.
  4. +1
    5 June 2014 10: 12
    I also want to smoke the same bully
  5. Hyperboreec
    +2
    5 June 2014 10: 13
    Cosmos of Russia - NEEDED!
  6. +2
    5 June 2014 10: 15
    Pros: 1. a more or less intelligible program of space exploration; 2. the design of new spacecraft, automatic stations and rockets, here we have some stagnation; 3. the emergence of a truly ambitious goal for the whole country; 4. The moon is really very important for further space exploration.
    Minuses: 1. as if this program was not "corrected", as the programs "Clipper" and "Rus" - turned off quietly and normally; 2. no need to cooperate with anyone, especially with China and Europe, let them tinker themselves, poor students; 3. Why not announce such a grandiose undertaking as the exploration of the Moon by the middle of the century for the whole country by the first persons of the state? Such a statement would bring people together, bring up science and industry, and in general, more positive and constructive things in life will never hurt.
    Well, we are going to send amers with their station correctly away.
  7. Wolland
    0
    5 June 2014 10: 32
    The obtained fundamental base of the roots of the USSR gives its steps after such a long stagnation ..... The moon was and will be ours .....
  8. 0
    5 June 2014 10: 35
    Come on, Rogozin - do things!
    1. 0
      5 June 2014 14: 50
      Rogozin is a hardware room that sat in some youth committee during the Soviet era, then ran to Yeltsin and helped bring down the Soviet Union, now Putin is clinging to things, this failed journalist can’t do for the simple reason that he didn’t, he doesn’t and willn’t do it, he can only interfere with specialists with his ambitions and his super-high conceit and his stupidity.
      1. Bolshev
        +1
        5 June 2014 17: 44
        You are wrong - he is a unique genius, he promised to "lunar" the ISS ...
        It is irreplaceable and unique.
      2. 0
        17 June 2014 16: 33
        Rogozin is a slogan generator ..
  9. Energet1k_
    +9
    5 June 2014 10: 57
    Too laudatory bravado is not worth singing! You can declare anything you want at press conferences, it's another thing to bring all ideas to life. So far "successes" Russian astronautics are not comforting, we are leaving for a Soviet base. Even Buran, the most technically complex machine built by man, was thrown into the hangar. And the exploration of the Moon is nothing more than a fairy tale - in my opinion, until there is a real financial benefit, there will be no progress, unfortunately our world today is arranged just like that, a stingy calculation in which there is no place for romance. This also includes the mythical helium-3, which supposedly will replace oil / gas for us, but here's the jamb - there is no reactor operating on it yet. In short, you must first make a breakthrough here "on earth", and then look into the sky
  10. 0
    5 June 2014 10: 59
    I am skeptical about projects, especially if they are not related to strengthening defense capabilities or improving the welfare of Russian citizens. The ambitions and international prestige of certain officials somehow warm me personally.
    Vostok was created on the basis of the R-7 ICBM. Therefore, when modern ICBMs, etc., begin to work and hit targets with a probability close to unity, then it will be possible to divert forces and resources to long-range space exploration.
  11. +3
    5 June 2014 11: 43
    Competition for the natural resources that are on the moon, can unfold serious.
    There will be no competition for the natural resources of the moon in the foreseeable future. The price (cost) of the issue is too high. Competition can appear only at the moment when the economics of competitors will be able to not only overpower the moon’s visit with a probe, but also conduct profitable development on the scale of the entire surface of our satellite.
    Until then, the chatter of competition is like a quarrel of a group of children conflicting over sand for their sand castles, in the middle of some Sahara (its sandy part).
    1. Bolshev
      +5
      5 June 2014 17: 52
      You don’t understand - the brothers in the mind of our government live on the moon - oligarchic capitalists. The Soviet space explorer Nikolai Nosov described them in detail in the documentary report "Dunno on the Moon" and their earthly counterparts simply dream of reuniting with their relatives, and money "does not matter."
      1. 0
        6 June 2014 12: 45
        Then it’s not On, but In the Moon :)
        1. Bolshev
          +1
          6 June 2014 22: 33
          So they do not hide that they will dig ... and collect helium-3 with a rake
  12. tokin1959
    0
    5 June 2014 12: 07
    another cut.
    Bases are needed in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk, in Cuba, in Vietnam.
    military bases, real, not abstract Martian.
    1. +2
      5 June 2014 13: 02
      Yes? And that the moon as a military facility does not suit you? It is outside the affected area, it does not need fuel to stay in orbit, it is always correctly oriented to the Earth.
      There are even regular craters, for example, excess radar mirrors. In addition, there is no atmosphere that interferes with optical systems, but there is an abundance of space for solar panels.
      1. 0
        6 June 2014 12: 58
        Yes? And that the moon as a military facility does not suit you? It is outside the affected area, it does not need fuel to stay in orbit, it is always correctly oriented to the Earth.
        There are even regular craters, for example, excess radar mirrors. In addition, there is no atmosphere that interferes with optical systems, but there is an abundance of space for solar panels.

        Not comfortable with impracticality. Of all the positive properties for a military object, the Moon has only a small vulnerability to retaliation. ALL! Everything else that you listed rests on a modest issue of cost.
        For the money that will be required to create and maintain operability of a military facility of reasonable power on the Moon for 50 years, for example, 1000 military bases can be built on Earth, protected by armored caps the size of Everest. And the reaction time to the military threat they will have minutes to tens of minutes, not a week.
  13. SLX
    SLX
    -2
    5 June 2014 12: 13
    At present, when economic crises occur on the planet every now and then, many do not understand the importance of the exploration and exploration of the moon.


    And they’re doing it right. For enough practical tasks.

    According to Alexander Milkovsky, it all depends on our point of view on this issue. If we approach the issue from the point of view of obtaining momentary benefits, then we really do not need the Moon. But any economic crisis is not the most dangerous phenomenon for the Earth. They have been and will happen yet. The crisis of ideas, the loss of a scientific school and technology, and the de-intellectualization of society are much more dangerous for all of humanity.


    This situation was described by Khoja Nasreddin - and in thirty years he will die either, or I, or a donkey, and then try to figure out which of us knew theology better.

    Therefore, today and tomorrow it is necessary to engage in purely practical tasks - for example, the development of the world's oceans. There are no less scientific tasks and needs for new technologies, and the return will be much faster in many areas, starting with security. But space is, of course, necessary, but not in such volumes and not for that kind of money.
    1. Old Cynic
      +1
      5 June 2014 13: 48
      Therefore, today and tomorrow it is necessary to engage in purely practical tasks - for example, the development of the world's oceans.


      And, for example, the gasification of villages, the allocation of apartments to war veterans, the investment of money, finally, in the development of the country's industrial and agricultural potential ... But there are still many tasks ... For example, decent retirement benefits for pensioners, decent salaries for doctors ... A lot of them tasks ...

      As there in "Beware of the Car": "Isn't it time for us, comrades, to swing at William, do you understand, ours, Shakespeare ??
      What? !!! And sweep !!!
      1. Old Cynic
        0
        5 June 2014 22: 00
        I’ll ask again: who cleared and for what?
        If not a coward, show up and explain.
        1. Old Cynic
          0
          6 June 2014 14: 13
          Again, someone merged like a swab in the toilet!
  14. 0
    5 June 2014 12: 34
    Good prospects, especially about setting up a base on the moon. Let's hope that the program will not be "cut" or "lengthened" until the end of the century.
  15. Metal bro
    0
    5 June 2014 12: 37
    Without globalization throughout the planet, future similar prospects are impossible.
  16. +1
    5 June 2014 12: 51
    Quote: ivanovbg
    Good prospects

    Excellent - a hotel on the moon, safari on lunar ATVs, a Plasma cocktail, s.x in low gravity conditions, alien tourism Bigelow still wanted to push through, something he had there after the launch of the inflatable prototype stalled, probably lost interest :-)
    1. Old Cynic
      -2
      5 June 2014 13: 38
      S.ex in low gravity


      Three times BU-GA-HA !!!
      So I imagine a porn film shot on the Moon: Sasha Gray, in conditions of low gravity, is trying to catch "nectar drops" in his mouth ... wassat wassat
  17. +1
    5 June 2014 13: 29
    Mining on the moon

  18. Old Cynic
    +4
    5 June 2014 13: 33
    First you gasify all the villages in Russia, the Kremlin dreamers, and only then aim at the Moon and Mars!
    By the way, what about providing war veterans with separate housing? Is everything done?
    1. 0
      5 June 2014 15: 08
      And who is to blame for this? The main gas pipelines are pulled to the villages, but the residents do not connect their houses, they say it is expensive. negative
      1. Old Cynic
        +3
        5 June 2014 17: 33
        What sho ve say? They don’t want to? Wei-wei !!! Do the pipelines pull? And they do not want?
        Maybe for you 250 thousand rubles - not money?
        Example. Kirzhach. 120 plots of cottage. There is a main gas pipeline around the perimeter. There is a long time. Separately, the sites are not connected, only all at once ... For 30 million rubles.

        And who is to blame?

        And scratch your turnips, maybe you will understand.
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        2. 0
          5 June 2014 18: 56
          And who will pay for the main gas pipeline and equipment, uncle from his pocket?
          1. Old Cynic
            +2
            5 June 2014 21: 58
            Or maybe your national treasure will moderate a little appetite, eh?
            Maybe stop buying all sorts of monkeys for millions of euros for Zenith, and send this money to the benefit of Russia?

            Oh yes! Gazprom is a national treasure, schiert pobieri !!!
            And while such interests as you are on guard of his interests, the old people in the villages of gas will not wait!

            PS We did not scratch our turnips - they answered with a slogan ... Hmm ...
  19. 0
    5 June 2014 14: 15
    Quote: Old Cynic
    First you gasify all the villages in Russia, the Kremlin dreamers, and only then aim at the Moon and Mars!
    By the way, what about providing war veterans with separate housing? Is everything done?


    Housing? The earth is now expensive, you look at the moon a couple of high-rises will be built.
    1. Old Cynic
      0
      5 June 2014 15: 06
      Yeah! And veterans - flying to the moon!
      So that on Earth they wouldn’t get their problems ...
  20. Maksim...
    0
    5 June 2014 14: 41
    And Africa (this is holy)
    And Mars, and the Moon, and Neptune!

    "Highway tanks are flying ..."
  21. Roshchin
    0
    5 June 2014 14: 43
    For the successful implementation of the program for the study and development of cosmic bodies, it is necessary to first move part of the thieving bodies to the bunk. And the creation of space bases in one must start with the creation of one base on earth. The element base is called. Or again they will buy from "partners". And then scratch turnips on the issue of import substitution
  22. P-38
    0
    5 June 2014 15: 15
    All must be done together: to gasify Russia, and to solve social problems, and economic, and environmental, and legal - see how much lawlessness we still have. And with them - and space. Space will gradually pay for itself. How many grandmas swelled into the television towers, and television communications satellites appeared - and everyone breathed a sigh of relief. There are dozens of such examples. So give the moon! Give Mars!
  23. Bakunin
    0
    5 June 2014 17: 40
    "It's great on Mars!" (c) Noize MC smile
  24. 0
    5 June 2014 19: 27
    Draz Today, 12:36 ↑
    Pff the first empire of the solar system


    Vo-in. And then, I hope, the Empire strikes unrequited blow. Somehow I would like to.
  25. 0
    5 June 2014 19: 59
    Then there will be the Lunar Maidan, federalization, anti-terrorist operation, requirements for lunatics to open the border and stand up to everyone who watches in the bunkers of drug cartoons, negotiations on lunar gas, discounts ...
  26. +1
    5 June 2014 21: 01
    Martian and Lunar provinces of Russia.
    That sounds good.
    Be sure to buy in old age here and there in the country. Potatoes to plant.
  27. 0
    5 June 2014 21: 10
    What nonsense - get helium-3 on the moon! Controlled thermonuclear fusion, fusion, has not yet been implemented, some time ago it was said that another five to ten years and this goal would be achieved. But nothing came of it. And it was in the mid-80s of the last century. For some reason, everyone is running ahead of the engine! I strongly doubt that TCB will be implemented anywhere and ever. But the moon needs to be mastered, not only on helium-3 light wedge converged!
    1. capitalist
      +1
      6 June 2014 11: 55
      TCB has been implemented for a long time .. and not on one installation but on different ones. Another thing is that the energy exhaust so far with a minus sign — the installation consumes more than it produces.
      Here ITER will be completed - this will be the first thermonuclear installation with positive efficiency .. But five are not industrial but experimental.
      Until the completion of ITER, another 10 years .. 5-7 years for experiments, then based on their results will be the design of the first industrial reactors .. another 5 years and 10 years, probably then for the implementation of the first commercial project. Those. we’ll most likely see the first thermonuclear power plants, but not earlier than in 30 years.
  28. +2
    5 June 2014 22: 21
    [quote] [I am a poet, I am called Dunno, from me you balalaika ...]

    The idea of ​​an electromagnetic motor belongs to Baron Munchausen. Sitting on an iron sheet, you need to toss up a strong magnet and thus move in space.
    And before you get helium (at a cost of $ 1 billion per gram), you first have to fly to the Moon first. It’s good to remember about hydrogen, which is full on Earth, and it can cost a mere penny in production. If it weren’t for the oil lobby, the tune of which the governments of most states are dancing, for a long time everyone would ride on hydrogen engines and not pay a lot of money for gasoline.
  29. +1
    5 June 2014 23: 33
    Well, really ?? belay Finally it came! From space, from it, darling, it’s time to carry everything to Earth. And the planets to master and settle. It’s only on Earth, like rams, we are choking one one. Space and planets should be ours (Russian)! laughing+ Earth sciences do not need to be buried. All the same, we don’t know much about the Earth, people. Well, in short, as smart people said, to study, to study and once again to study.
  30. +1
    6 June 2014 08: 26
    This is our way! - Build hundreds of billions of dollars into the ISS, and close the project! And it’s better to drown in the ocean with seven American, European and Japanese modules!
    It seems that not only the Moscow heat affects the inflamed brains of figures like Rogozin. This is a clear clinic. Apparently Dima still hit his head, falling from a motorcycle.
    1. 0
      6 June 2014 13: 31
      ISS, and close the project! And it’s better to drown in the ocean with seven American, European and Japanese modules!
      Why drown? Dock the accelerating block with it and send all of their modules to master the orbit of the Moon or the Sun (I don’t remember offhand that it’s cheaper energy). Yes, even on the same Mars or catch up with Pioneer-1. Wait a couple of hundred gravitational maneuvers and wait 100-1000 years ... utter nonsense.
      The main thing: the first month does not tell astronauts on board what a great honor they have been given from all of humanity.
      wassat
  31. 0
    8 June 2014 21: 16
    Rogozin is happy lately!
  32. 0
    15 June 2014 00: 42
    Nonsense and nothing else ... And the timing ... BY THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTURY an expedition to the moon ... And who needs such a program? It looks like all this is written according to the principle by that time "either the shah dies or the donkey dies" ... And why do you need to wait as long as 2020 to refuse to waste money on the ISS? Well, we realized that this is nonsense and took the NEXT TOMORROW and FORWARDED the money for more valuable ideas ... I don’t understand all this Russian trickery ... which most of all goes to the detriment of the country itself and people ... But the projectors making plans for 2040 FEEL and will feel the same way at least until 2040 ... and then they either quit or say - WELL IT WASN'T WORKED ... BUT WE Tried the same ...
  33. deepdivertech
    0
    28 August 2014 19: 22
    Guided Nuclear Fusion: www.nuclearfusion.narod.ru

    Remote control of the robot (for this technology DO Rogozin promised to try to issue the State Prize of Russia): http://deepdivertech.narod.ru/rd.htm

    Digitization of consciousness (Itskov carries a lot of blizzard on this topic) http://deepdivertech.narod.ru/Brain.html

    Amorphous metals (8 to 10 times stronger than ordinary metals): http://nuclearfusion.narod.ru/UltrasonicSprayer.html

    Room superconductivity: http://aleksstreltsov14.narod.ru

    So you need to stake a place on the moon (somewhere on the pole).
  34. 0
    12 March 2015 17: 23
    The author, the first aircraft was designed and raised to the sky by Mozhaysky, and not by any Wright! - from here the history of aviation development begins.