Russia is fighting for the south-east of Ukraine

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Recently, there have been a lot of tearful cries on the subject of the fact that Russia (that is to say, Putin) is merging the south-east of Ukraine. I do not dare to comment on such exhausts, because it’s a personal matter for everyone to shit their heads.

And let's look at some facts from the other side.

Human factor. From the Crimea, across the now Russian-Ukrainian border, a group of, say, armed men made the transition. This group got to the city of Slavyansk and arranged there what we all are seeing lately.

The group commander Strelkov said that the group has a mixed composition: Crimeans, Russians, Ukrainians. He did not speak about the percentage, but it is clear that the latter were few.

As it is known, three hundred modern Spartans got the authorities of Ukraine to the extent at which frank genocide begins.

Naturally, the group grew by new fighters. Again, the question at whose expense. If for Ukrainian, then why was Shooters forced to make a statement that made so much noise? I am about where he lamented the lack of replenishment, both combat and personnel.

However, when resistance forces suffered losses in Donetsk and Lugansk as a result of air strikes, it was from Slavyansk that “suddenly” reinforcements arrived.

Some numbers. Donetsk - about a million inhabitants. Lugansk - 500 thousand.
Slavyansk - 120 thousand.

Donetsk and Lugansk could not recruit fighters to replace the dead and wounded, and Slavyansk - easily. And this, I note, is not about dozens. Strange, isn't it?

Yes, there was information about volunteers from these cities arriving in Slavyansk. But Strelkov also repeatedly talked about how he "unfolded" them back home.

Now they are talking openly about volunteers from Israel, Poland, but how else can they come from? What about those who don't talk about? And they do not speak about those who go through Millerovsky and Kantemirovsky districts, for example. But it is, by the way.

Are coming. And I know those who came.

A few words about technology.

Again, I refer to Strelkov, who said that Russia did not help with one machine gun or with one patron. Okay, let's say. The rifles were taken at the ROVD, the BMD was presented, the BTR was seized. ZU-23 bought from baryg. I do not want to focus attention, but again a reference to Strelkov, that "weapon bought from merchants for big money. "

I do not know how easy it is to buy a barrel in Ukraine. Familiar and friends claim that it is unrealistic. Neither for money, nor for opportunities. Otherwise, everyone would have walked with a weapon since February. For your own safety.

Again, where does this "big money" come from? Residents of Slavic skipped? In general, all these statements about "not one cartridge" are from the opera "Do not burn the office." What office? Well, read the biography of Strelkov harmless. Everything is there. Or go to the site recon. Year that way for the 2010.

And again people.

Technique is good. It's great. Still in Slavyansk heels of artillery systems - in general melancholy-sadness for the Ukrainian army would have arrived. Or tanks.

But the technology still requires people. Which will use it qualitatively. And such people again appeared from somewhere. And anti-aircraft gunners, and gunners. I enjoyed listening to the story that a new gunner for the “Nona” appeared in Slavyansk from somewhere. Which shells put - as embroider. And the helicopters began to break more and more often in the air. Let's not talk nonsense about "acquiring skills in a combat situation." And once, and worth the money. Yes, and do not take fighters untrained patriots there. It has long been taken.

Yes, actually, where do trained fighters come from in Ukraine? And judging by how helicopters fall regularly under Slavyansk, armored vehicles are on fire, the fighters are there.

And, of course, in no way from a country that didn’t fight the last 23 of the year, it didn’t conduct exercises. However, they took it.

The summary is simple: Russia is fighting a war for the south-east of Ukraine. And in terms of human, and in terms of material resources. And you can deny it. But only if you are Putin. Or fighter RLDA (Russian liberal-couch army).

Russian citizens cross the border and join the ranks of the Strelkov army (in the coffin I saw the interpretation “Army of the Southeast”, there is nothing really from him). The Russians are sending medicines there. Russians take out women, children and old people from there and help them to improve their life in Russia. Help here on the ground.

Each such partial has its own war. Someone with a machine gun in a trench, someone with packing bandages in a border village. Who with a poster at the rally.

The Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is first of all those who inhabit it. That is, we.

And even if a part of the people inhabiting this country is doing something that allows them to restrain Ukrainian fascists and mercenaries from all over the world, this means that Russia is fighting a war for the south-east of Ukraine.
Vladimir Soloviev - Letter from Ukraine. Zombie people

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  1. +113
    5 2014 June
    That's right, this is our war and we are waging it. And a western screech indirectly confirms this.
    1. jjj
      +80
      5 2014 June
      At the same time, one peculiarity was noted: our border guards do not allow strong, not old single men to enter Ukraine. Say, you have not paid the traffic police fine. There are really so many volunteers from Russia who want to help New Russia that they have to artificially restrain the flow so as not to burn
      1. +36
        5 2014 June
        Quote: jjj
        At the same time, one peculiarity was noted: our border guards do not allow strong, not old single men to enter Ukraine.

        She, (the border), is so full of holes that a strong, not old man, with a great desire to jump over it, is like jumping over a fence to a playful neighbor. In the meantime, due to constant defeats, the junta decided to use ALL types of heavy weapons available in the arsenal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Removal from storage warehouses and re-entry of the following systems have been confirmed: 152mm 2S5 "Hyacinth", 240mm 2S4 "Tulip", 203mm 2S7 / 7M "Peony" / "Malka", RU "earth-to-earth" "Tochka-U", 160mm mortars PM- 43, Kh-29L / T aircraft missiles. All are undergoing maintenance, re-equipment and repairs, after which they are sent to the combat area. The main place of deployment of heavy weapons remains the city of Izium. Also there is an accelerated training of combat crews. NATO-US activities, the British E-3D AWACS aircraft from the 8th AWACS (Waddington airbase, UK) continues to fly over Romania and Poland to control the airspace of Ukraine In addition, a French S-160 reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft from 1/54 airborne RTR "Dunkirk" is operating from the Romanian airbase Otopeni to identify and clarify the composition and condition of the lighting and target designation equipment of the RF Armed Forces located in Crimea.
        1. +8
          5 2014 June
          It would not be bad to dream, but it would be nice to accidentally destroy the station of deployment of heavy weapons in Izum, and at the same time a Ukrainian. SU. If, Valtsman decided to extend the ATO to
          June 14, then again there will be victims and blood. As long as the sky of the east is filled with killer flyers, luck of resistance is minimal.
          1. max422
            +4
            5 2014 June
            Quote: Neophyte
            While the sky of the east is filled with killer flyers, luck of resistance is minimal.
            so the flyers have been falling very often lately, and there weren’t many of them at all in their working condition.
          2. +7
            5 2014 June
            Quote: Neophyte
            June 14, then again there will be victims and blood. As long as the sky of the east is filled with killer flyers, luck of resistance is minimal.

            Our air defense could create a no-fly zone without problems. We need a political decision.
          3. 0
            6 2014 June
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            1. +1
              6 2014 June
              Something sent me in three letters from this address.
              1. 0
                6 2014 June
                Quote: DrShAN
                Something sent me in three letters from this address.

                I’m not three, but .... in general, too far.
            2. saner1959
              -1
              7 2014 June
              Everyone who wants to help Slavyansk in purchasing the things necessary for the militia can help:
              WebMoney R353270708088
              Yandex 410012305287010
              Sincerely.
              IN ENGLISH:
              Anyone wishing to assist Slavyansk to purchase necessary things for militia can help by remitting funds on the following accounts:
              WebMoney R353270708088
              Yandex Money 410012305287010
              Cordially
              http://www.e-news.su/info/11807-pomosch-slavyansku.html
              Strelkova can drain !!!
              As long as there are holes on the border, you need to drag everything that you can to Slavyansk, not even look at Putin, who went to France. To look for hunting shops closer to the border on Russian territory and buy everything up and quickly transfer to Slavic, and chemicals that can be used to make bombs, saving the drowning people are the business of the drowning people themselves and such a good situation does not last long; you need to purchase using open windows and not attack the closed ones, but if the battle is necessary to use the experience of Stalingrad closer to the enemy’s trenches, so that if the aircraft strikes, it falls on dill, or maybe it’s full of dropping bombs cautiously to hit its own.
              1. Shur
                0
                7 2014 June
                What do they "own". They shoot in the back, it is not clear what kind of imbits are there on the call.
            3. 0
              8 2014 June
              Hey, brother! And you, for an hour, not sent "Cossack" Pig? Something wrong with you!
          4. +2
            6 2014 June
            It is better not to accidentally destroy, but to rob. 2C7 Peony - the most powerful self-propelled gun. I believe that even one such installation will add great weight to the militia.
          5. +3
            7 2014 June
            In general, it would be nice to find out and voice the names of these "heroic" flyers who shoot civilians. And at the same time find relatives of this trash here in Russia, well, etc.
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        3. saner1959
          0
          7 2014 June
          Armor is strong
          “We use body armor 6B23. There are brand-new 6B43s, but there are very few of them, ”says an officer at the Ministry of Defense-based Center for Special Operations located near Moscow. According to him, the majority of servicemen buy imported products for their money, mainly covers, which are then hemmed so that domestic armor panels can be delivered. Colleagues from the internal troops are equipped with bulletproof vests designed by the beginning of the 90s “Korund” ”, but now they have started supplying the modern“ Bagarii ”. As in the Ministry of Defense, in the BB buy foreign body armor, in particular American. True, domestic Defenders and Reduts are also popular.
          More details: http://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/20537
          Kalashnikov with a foreign butt. We mainly use the AK74M. Previously, there were many AKMSL, but now they are almost all worn out and written off. There are several AK103s, but current 5,45 rounds (PP, BS, etc.) have reduced the 7,62 caliber advantage to zero. And the accuracy of small-caliber assault rifles is higher, the ammunition load with equal weight is greater, ”said an officer of the Center for Defense Ministry. According to his colleague from the internal troops, in addition to the AK74M, there were AK-104 in TsSN: “Now they took them from us, but we liked them. They are shorter, it’s more convenient to manipulate them, toss them on the back, etc. And the firing range suits us. ” There are armed with special forces and submachine guns. According to a SOBR officer, his unit chose the SR-2M Veresk. It is lighter, more mobile, and the cartridge is more powerful than that of the proposed Vityaz software. But in the internal troops and the Ministry of Defense "Vereska" did not take root
          More details: http://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/20537
          Communication and night vision devices are a headache for Russian special forces. To the question, do you think the Russian devices are adequate to the tasks, the officer from the Special Purpose Center of the Ministry of Defense answered succinctly: "Are you kidding me?"
          According to the officer of the internal troops, his co-workers whenever possible prefer to purchase imported products, sometimes Belarusian “Filin”. “For snipers there are good full-time Russian night-lights DS-4 and DS-6. But there are few of them in our center. Now they have bought the Russian Shahin NVD. We immediately said that they did not suit us. The same "Cyclone" (manufacturer - NPO "Cyclone") has much better active headphones with built-in communication, amplifying weak sounds and quenching strong ones. Prefer Peltor headphones.
          More details: http://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/20537
      2. +61
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Vladimirets
        That's right, this is our war and we are waging it.
        Of course we are and will be, just another is not given.

        Quote: jjj
        There are really so many volunteers from Russia who want to help New Russia that they have to artificially restrain the flow so as not to burn

        Volunteers and specialists are good, but all of us (I certainly did) noticed how the Ukrainian army reluctantly, with a great creak, was drawn into the millstones of military operations. The flywheel of war is spinning with inevitable force. Aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force is no longer shy about bombing everything and everyone, artillery and tanks are hitting both the militias and residential areas, for another week and will the "Grads" start working on the squares?
        Whoever said that, but the army of Ukraine, is the army bad or good, but it is a force that cannot be ignored! The onslaught of this iron is increasing every day and every hour and to keep the situation under control with the help of volunteers and light weapons is simply not a success it is a matter of time!
        There is less and less time for reflection, soon you will have to make some kind of decision that will radically change the balance of power or, at worst, equalize the chances of the warring parties.
        Will we accept it or not? That is the main question!
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          +30
          5 2014 June
          Quote: Arberes
          is the army bad or good


          and we must switch to a sabotage system of struggle. And we need raids on the rear towards Kiev. Snipers are needed and it is necessary to work on the tops - like Kolomoians

          Oh, I'm 69 and alas, health is not THAT!

          And the tips ..... this
          1. +6
            5 2014 June
            It is probably best to send sabotage groups to blow up all the bridges and mine the roads leading to Raisins. Then the Ukrainians, along with the law-abductors, will flee and abandon all their weapons.
            1. macarque
              +2
              6 2014 June
              Will they also drop aviation?
          2. +2
            6 2014 June
            Quote: nick 1 and 2
            Oh, I'm 69 and alas, health is not THAT!

            I am 40 and my health is there, but there’s not a damn fighting skills. I didn’t fight and in the army I served as a RTV air defense tablet player (who will understand the topic). Yes, the same Shooter will send me ... far. Fuck such a volunteer. And I want to help somehow. What do people do?
            1. Ratmir_rayzan
              +2
              7 2014 June
              You can support it financially ... Here - http://pomogibratu.ru/index/finansovye_otchety/0-5 and here - http://redrat.livejournal.com/277820.html there are details and reports are published for those who participated in the collection funds for our brothers in the southeast (these are different organizations) ... I transfer a little from the salary, there are millions of us, we will take off a little and buy some S-300 complexes to the southeast ... Everyone wants to offend the weak, but with everyone agrees strong ...
              1. saner1959
                0
                7 2014 June
                Here is another address from the site
                http://www.e-news.su/info/11807-pomosch-slavyansku.html ,гарантии не даю , но в роди бы повстанческий.
                Everyone who wants to help Slavyansk in purchasing the things necessary for the militia can help:
                WebMoney R353270708088
                Yandex 410012305287010
                Sincerely.
                IN ENGLISH:
                Anyone wishing to assist Slavyansk to purchase necessary things for militia can help by remitting funds on the following accounts:
                WebMoney R353270708088
                Yandex Money 410012305287010
                Cordially
                http://www.e-news.su/info/11807-pomosch-slavyansku.html
                Strelkova can drain !!!
                As long as there are holes on the border, you need to drag everything that you can to Slavyansk, not even look at Putin, who went to France. To look for hunting shops closer to the border on Russian territory and buy everything up and quickly transfer to Slavic, and chemicals that can be used to make bombs, saving the drowning people are the business of the drowning people themselves and such a good situation does not last long; you need to purchase using open windows and not attack the closed ones, but if the battle is necessary to use the experience of Stalingrad closer to the enemy’s trenches, so that if the aircraft strikes, it falls on dill, or maybe it’s full of dropping bombs cautiously to hit its own.
          3. dervis 65
            0
            7 2014 June
            Yes, the most correct sabotage detachments in the rear. They would be able to neutralize the action of heavy artillery and demoliroze the personnel of the Ukrainian Higher Military Administration through sabotage and psychological processing of leaflets, etc.
          4. dervis 65
            +2
            7 2014 June
            Yes, the most correct sabotage detachments in the rear. They would be able to neutralize the action of heavy artillery and demoliroze the personnel of the Ukrainian Higher Military Administration through sabotage and psychological processing of leaflets, etc.
          5. Shur
            0
            7 2014 June
            For 69 cheerfully.
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        3. +12
          5 2014 June
          It seems to me that they are pulling to the situation of introducing a peacekeeping contingent. Then, on an official basis, Russia will be able to send troops to the territory of Novorossiya. That's just how many people must die for the "world community" to wake up ...
      3. +6
        5 2014 June
        Right, early to tear off the mask
      4. nicollider
        +1
        5 2014 June
        is there a proof? otherwise Pts. optimistic.
      5. Vania
        +20
        5 2014 June
        tell me where to turn. I can’t sit quietly and watch the Slavs perish at the hands of the Nazis. I am 33 years old divorced.
        1. +4
          5 2014 June
          Quote: Vanya
          tell me where to turn. I can’t sit quietly and watch the Slavs perish at the hands of the Nazis. I am 33 years old divorced.

          If well prepared so as not to be a burden to the Armed Forces of New Russia, blow in private. And then you get into the Gestapo Bandera.
          1. saner1959
            0
            7 2014 June
            And you are prepared, what is stopping you, the more fighters with weapons, even if they come hunting the better. There’s a schoolboy with hunting screw cutters, a mint in the bronze heaped up, it’s better to go to Donbass, it’s more good for the state.
        2. saner1959
          0
          7 2014 June
          http://www.e-news.su/info/11807-pomosch-slavyansku.html
        3. green
          0
          8 2014 June
          8 9671712709-for volunteers from Russia.
      6. +3
        6 2014 June
        The only comment on the article, I would not be so sure that Strelkov’s army has few Ukrainians, who are also full of people who served in the USSR and have experience .. And at the expense of the successful actions of the militias, I would not blame them only on their high professionalism, if take into account that the Ukrainian army is practically not combat-ready, but about the National Guard, I’ll say that fanatics have never been good warriors, they only fight well with unarmed ones .. in addition, the motivation of the militias is incomparably higher, and an ordinary person who did not hold weapons would have a quick experience type ..
    2. +19
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That's right, this is our war and we are waging it. And a western screech indirectly confirms this.

      It’s a good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president. But very few knowledgeable people understand everything.
      1. 2log
        -83
        5 2014 June
        Quote: subbtin.725
        A good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president.

        Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.
        1. +13
          5 2014 June
          Well, right, GDP for sofa balabol ...
          1. irina.mmm
            +10
            5 2014 June
            If VVP would have told about their plans in advance, Crimea would be for you. The easiest way is not to see the obvious. They said that they need a corridor at the border, the border guards are now in Russia, and the border has been "locked" for how many days. Better think about how to help with information.
            1. saner1959
              0
              7 2014 June
              On the contrary, the border in the Luhansk region is free for 200 km so far, and now we must stomp into the Luhansk region.
        2. Associate Professor
          +28
          5 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.

          Yes of course. Everything is solely on the initiative of ordinary people who bought modern MANPADS in the store and arrived in Ukraine.
          In the photo, fighters of the Vostok battalion. They are armed with MANPADS Strela and Igla
          1. -29
            6 2014 June
            in this picture I recognized my brother. only it is not "east", but "west" - film teaching ...
            1. zavesa01
              +10
              6 2014 June
              Quote: alleksSalut4507
              in this picture I recognized my brother. only it is not "east", but "west" - film teaching ...

              Well, you don’t need to troll. laughing He has a St. George ribbon on the chevron. feel
              And on airsoft players they did not like the simulators of MANPADS netuti. lol
            2. +1
              7 2014 June
              And the chevron to your "brother" in Photoshop was done, right?
        3. Associate Professor
          +14
          5 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative

          Here is the militia in Ukraine ATGM Metis-M, which is armed exclusively in Russia:
          1. +10
            5 2014 June
            And how do you distinguish it from the ATGM Metis produced in the USSR since the 70s?
            1. GDP
              +2
              5 2014 June
              In the photo, apparently, 9K115 "Metis" 1978 development. In theory, mestizo complexes are only in Russia and Bangladesh ...
          2. +11
            5 2014 June
            1) This is Metis, not Metis-M (look at TPK)
            2) Both Metis and Metis-M are in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and were exported to a couple of dozen countries

            Well, about the "Eagle-S" and, even more so, the old, like g ... mammoth "Strela-2M" (which is in the photo in the hands of the rebel) - although this kind of good, as it were controlled, is in almost any "hot point ".

            Now, if the rebels in the DPR had "Kornet-M" or "Chrysanthemum-S" - then one could talk about "the supply of the latest Russian weapons"
            1. +4
              5 2014 June
              We don’t have to ***** so substitute for sure. They deliver something in the discovery of which we can’t be blamed, I think so.
            2. zavesa01
              +1
              6 2014 June
              Yes, and after that we h..n dodge from the smaller brothers. Exactly eat everywhere
            3. +2
              7 2014 June
              Now, if the rebels in the DPR had "Kornet-M" or "Chrysanthemum-S" - then one could talk about "the supply of the latest Russian weapons"

              AND IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY TO FOOT WITH THIS WEAPON TO LIGHT?
            4. 0
              7 2014 June
              Quote: Bersaglieri
              one could talk about "deliveries of the latest Russian weapons"

              Yah !
              For Jenny, the presence of RPG-7 militias is enough, for this type of statement.
        4. +34
          5 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          GDP only is silent in a rag, that's all his help

          Have you ever heard such concepts as diplomacy, politics, military secrets in the end. Or do you think Putin should scream at every corner about what he thinks and does? Or do you need direct reports on the supply of weapons or the arrival of volunteers? More than one hundred articles have already been written about the impossibility of using the Russian Army in Ukraine at this stage. Read, think, analyze.
        5. 0
          5 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.
          Did you watch the video in the beginning (or rather listened)? It seems not!
        6. +25
          5 2014 June
          Does GDP personally have to push a machine gun across the border? laughing
          1. 0
            5 2014 June
            Zhirik gave the "Tiger" as a present. It may not be empty. So there is a connection for communication. hi
          2. cutsolia
            0
            8 2014 June
            Well, of course! And still photographed next to this machine gun - for the incredulous fellow citizens.
        7. tux
          +4
          5 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help.

          and your parashenko only enhances the atom.
        8. +9
          5 2014 June
          So what, what is silent. Does he have to tell you everything? Time will tell who helped and how!
        9. Erg
          +11
          5 2014 June
          Every gopher is an agronomist. How can you know what Putin is doing ...
        10. Slav
          +7
          5 2014 June
          No, GDP should scream loudly that Russia is helping the whole East of Ukraine. Obama and
          "other European friends" are asleep and see how to mess with Russia. We are already sitting in an interesting place at the direction of the African American descendant of slaves. Does the right thing, VVP, honestly looking into the eyes of "Western partners", what are you, Russia, no, no. Well done!!! And you need to help the East, you can't be indifferent, you can't let the fascist scum breed, our grandfathers fought in vain?
        11. +3
          6 2014 June
          Quote: 2Log
          Quote: subbtin.725
          A good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president.

          Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.

          Enchanting dolbo ... baobab. THOSE. ordinary citizens in your opinion restrain the army of the whole country ?????
        12. Shur
          0
          7 2014 June
          Silence is gold. So it is not silent, but this is not the point, you also need to be able to play games under the carpet. By the way, the whole situation characteristically highlights our internal problems. Here, too, there is "wood" and arsonists walk for some reason freely.
      2. pvn53
        +27
        5 2014 June
        Article plus, with the exception of "Russia is not Putin with Medvedev." At present, Russia is precisely Putin, Medvedev is not at all involved here, he is certainly not Russia. In essence, now against Russia, read Putin, practically all of Europe and the United States, with all their PACE, UN, NATO, etc.
        1. +9
          5 2014 June
          Quote: pvn53
          Article plus, with the exception of "Russia is not Putin with Medvedev." At present, Russia is precisely Putin, Medvedev is not at all involved here, he is certainly not Russia. In essence, now against Russia, read Putin, practically all of Europe and the United States, with all their PACE, UN, NATO, etc.

          It's true. But Putin is not alone either, Shoigu, Rogozin, Churkin, Lavrov, Ivanov and many more worthy ones, so our team is not weak either ..
          1. 0
            5 2014 June
            Is not a fact. Look Fedorov, so we have a quarter of the country's ruling and elite compradors and as many sympathizers of Western "democracy". You already do not know who to believe.
          2. 0
            5 2014 June
            Is not a fact. Look Fedorov, so we have a quarter of the country's ruling and elite compradors and as many sympathizers of Western "democracy". You already do not know who to believe.
      3. pvn53
        +1
        5 2014 June
        Article plus, with the exception of "Russia is not Putin with Medvedev." At present, Russia is precisely Putin, Medvedev is not at all involved here, he is certainly not Russia. In essence, now against Russia, read Putin, practically all of Europe and the United States, with all their PACE, UN, NATO, etc.
        1. Seriv
          +23
          5 2014 June
          I was asked - "Europe is uniting against Russia .... Aren't you afraid?"
          I replied: "We have already encountered a united Europe in 1812 and 1941. It must be scary for them!" .... - Vladimir Putin ....
          1. Shur
            0
            7 2014 June
            Here I would add "Europe is uniting against Russia under the strict leadership of the amerobkom" It is terrible that God forbid the charges do not reach their goal on the other side of the ocean.
      4. -1
        6 2014 June
        Do not drive, GDP certainly has nothing to do with it. It’s just-President. And everything else in the past. Do not blot.
    3. +7
      5 2014 June
      Russians do not abandon their own in a war.
    4. +60
      5 2014 June
      Comrades !!! GDP said: in Ukraine, our troops are not present, then no !!!!! wink And if someone saw something that did not coincide with this position, it means a glitch !!! bully
      1. +22
        5 2014 June
        Outwardly, Russians and Ukrainians cannot be distinguished! Go prove it!
        I remember the old film "The guy from our city!" Hero N. Kryuchkov fought in Spain. Learned French and pretended to be French! But he looked little like a Frenchman.
        "-Are you French? Why do you have such a Ryazan face then?"
        1. Shur
          0
          7 2014 June
          Yes, but internally means to distinguish? Enough people, we are one people, parts of which have inspired that they are some "Ukrainians".
      2. +2
        5 2014 June
        TOP Classics of the genre ... look and smile ..
        http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=136800 laughing [media = http: //]
      3. zavesa01
        0
        6 2014 June
        WELL DONE. This is the correct position. And to shout "Of course we help. Now I will prove it !!" It's working for the smaller brothers.
    5. +6
      5 2014 June
      ..the Russian world in the broad sense of this concept defends (fights) for the rights of Russians to live in their territories ..
    6. Ujin61
      +3
      5 2014 June
      Zombies are treated with an aspen stake, if not on the head then in the ass. We will listen to Svidomo singing in the fall.
      1. zzz
        zzz
        +1
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Ujin61
        Zombies are treated with an aspen stake, if not on the head then in the ass. We will listen to Svidomo singing in the fall.


        Already singing:

        Parliament has expanded the powers of participants in a special operation in eastern Ukraine
        June 05, 2014, 12:22 • 307 • War in Ukraine


        The Parliament of Ukraine on Thursday expanded the powers of participants in a special operation in the east of the country. The document adopted by the Rada also contains provisions to enhance the coordination of participants in the operation.

        The bill, which was supported by 239 deputies at a meeting of the Rada on Thursday with the required minimum of 226 votes, suggests that the number of participants in the special operation can now include the State Service for Special Communications, the Foreign Intelligence Service and other officials identified by the president.

        The document also provides for the possibility of attracting and using during the special operation personnel, specialists, weapons and military equipment of the security service, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the National Guard, the armed forces, border guards, and state security control.

        In addition, additional restrictions may be introduced on the rights and freedoms of citizens in the area of ​​the special operation, and enterprises located in the operation zone may partially or completely cease their work.
    7. +15
      5 2014 June
      Never any "pravosekam", mattress makers and other fascists can defeat our Russian guys !!!!
      1. +5
        5 2014 June
        I understand in advance that my words will not be liked, but I don’t feel the difference both here and there Russians (in the broad sense) are only those that are right with brainwashed
        1. zavesa01
          0
          6 2014 June
          In your opinion, between the Red Army fighter and the policeman during the Second World War there was no difference? am
          Not bad you called them. So then they also said on the ships they said that they washed their brains, they wanted to eat, they were for independence. Think with your head what you are saying. fool
        2. Shur
          0
          7 2014 June
          More likely with artificial. They brought him up to GMOs and textbooks in the style of uranium-Rus.
      2. +1
        5 2014 June
        I especially liked our very one - the far left.
      3. 0
        6 2014 June
        Yesterday I watched on TV .. In Kiev on the Maidan, the right-wingers-- it’s CLOWNS with forelocks, and the faces are like orcs ... All that’s missing is the crosses on the forehead from the green ... Well, it would be better to aim ...
    8. -24
      5 2014 June
      But it doesn't seem strange to you that our war and our interests (the People of Russia) do not coincide with the interests of the state.
      The Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is first of all those who inhabit it. That is, we.
      1. +4
        5 2014 June
        And what's so strange? The state has its own tasks, the people have their own.
        The purpose of the people is that as many of their tasks as possible coincide with the state. The goal of the state is maximum control of the people.
        Ideally, complete control of each other. In real life, there is something in between. So it was and it will be so.
        1. Shur
          0
          7 2014 June
          Shitty "ideal". Self-government is the highest degree of freedom. The state is always a way of exploiting some by others.
      2. Natalia
        +3
        5 2014 June
        Quote: coolvoldik
        But it doesn't seem strange to you that our war and our interests (the People of Russia) do not coincide with the interests of the state.

        Speak for yourself, you, this is not the whole nation.
        1. +2
          5 2014 June
          Quote: Natalia
          Quote: coolvoldik
          But it doesn't seem strange to you that our war and our interests (the People of Russia) do not coincide with the interests of the state.
          Speak for yourself, you, this is not the whole nation.

          Mania of greatness is a terrible disease! laughing
          Natalia, the suit of a business woman is more to your face than a cool on your shoulder ... wassat
          hi
          1. Natalia
            +2
            5 2014 June
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Natalia, the suit of a business woman is more to your face than a cool on your shoulder ...

            lol ))) yes but kulEmet is also nothing)))
            1. +2
              5 2014 June
              Quote: Natalia
              yes but kulEmet is also nothing)))

              In your gentle female hands? Who would doubt .... laughing
          2. 0
            5 2014 June
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            kulEmet on the shoulder ...

            Quote: Natalia
            yes but kulEmet is also nothing

            Too shy to ask recourse but nonetheless ... And what are you talking about here? what
            Hi all! hi
            1. +3
              5 2014 June
              Quote: retired
              I’m embarrassed to ask, but nonetheless ... And why did you talk here?

              Hi, Yuri! hi
              Natalia has a kla-a-a-a-s-s-s-s-s-naya photo!
              So we discussed it ... wassat
              1. 0
                5 2014 June
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Natalia has a kla-a-a-a-s-s-s-s-s-naya photo!
                So we discussed it ...

                Oooo ...
                Tady oh ...
        2. +2
          5 2014 June
          Cool! Did I quote you an article that everyone admires so much? And got a bunch of cons.
          And you Natalia is apparently one of those effective managers of Gazprom or Sberbank or Rosneft or Oboronservis or the administration ....... (in other words, it’s not so important), the very state that has been pursuing a super visionary policy towards Ukraine for 23 years. And now, your slogan is the heroes ahead, raking after you ....
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      3. Shur
        0
        7 2014 June
        Those who think it is necessary in the PND.
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    10. +4
      5 2014 June
      In Civilian heavy fighting in the southeast of Ukraine took place ...
    11. NEMO7
      +12
      5 2014 June
      The French Ministry of Justice recognized Sevastopol as a Russian city.

      This became clear when French officials issued an interesting certificate to the Crimean native. When she applied for a police clearance certificate, she was surprised at the result - the document received contained the place of birth "Sevastopol, Russian Federation"
      1. +1
        7 2014 June
        There are smart people who know and understand everything perfectly, but the show-offs of gay-European politicians are apparently more expensive.
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        1. +3
          5 2014 June
          Natalya, calm down for a start, inhale-exhale. It is not necessary for the opponent to ascribe to what he did not say and which is not a consequence of his statements — these are the basics of a constructive dialogue and just a good tone. hi
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          2. -3
            5 2014 June
            Yes, you, my friend, also the instinct of self-preservation remained! The rest is confused? Or sold?
          3. +3
            5 2014 June
            Calm down buddy, Natalia is one of those people who do not even read the articles under which they leave their comments. It came here to show off. And in fact, it is not much different from the brainwashed ukrov. Pours like a newspaper "Pravda".
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    13. argon
      +2
      5 2014 June
      sensible article
      1. Argyn-suindyk
        +2
        5 2014 June
        That is, the return of the Russian ambassador to Ukraine is not a drain ?! Yes?
        1. mab3162
          +1
          6 2014 June
          The return of Zurabov to Ukraine is, on the one hand, a technical measure (there must be some kind of permanent representative there - in the current situation this is additional evidence against Russia fighting against Ukraine), on the other hand, the character is chosen so significant, respected and effective, which makes it clear the attitude of the Russian Federation to the current administration of Kiev, which the US lackeys deserve. But formally the protocol is respected and this helps in negotiations Lavrov in Paris and Putin in Normandy. Thin trolling, but you won’t dig.
        2. Shur
          0
          8 2014 June
          Yes, the ambassador is still a "specialist". The genius of just diplomacy is the mother of AI. Just send them.
    14. NEMO7
      +5
      5 2014 June
      Klitschko: They’ll kill you - it’s not a problem. Relatives will receive a good compensation! 23.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
      1. 0
        5 2014 June
        And why Klitschko, when he says, does not smile?
        1. +1
          6 2014 June
          probably thinks that it hurts too ... like saying wink
    15. +1
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Vladimirets
      That's right, this is our war and we are waging it. And a western screech indirectly confirms this.

      Nevertheless, help is needed to the people of New Russia. It is a pity that the miners were still not bothered by Nazi delirium. Not very active. How would you not late brothers wake up.
    16. +1
      7 2014 June
      Quote: Buffoons
      Recently, there have been a lot of tearful cries on the subject of the fact that Russia (that is to say, Putin) is merging the south-east of Ukraine. I do not dare to comment on such exhausts, because it’s a personal matter for everyone to shit their heads.
      Why are articles on this site published with enviable regularity containing derogatory and insulting assessments of the positions of opponents? If such a tone for moderators is in the order of things, then we can say that all his hysterical and unproven cries could be born only from a very craped head.
    17. MA TOF
      0
      7 2014 June
      Hi all!
      Here the commander of the Banderlog complains about his fate - "There is no longer Ukraine for Poltava!"

      http://youtu.be/hcZZxOiBMV0
    18. hiryrg
      0
      7 2014 June
      No need to be bazaar women. From such a chatter, the same harm is inflicted as from a mortar shelling of the positions of the militia.
    19. +1
      7 2014 June
      Urgent need to help !!
      1. 0
        8 2014 June
        everything is back to square one; in 1996-2000, the OUNites in Chechnya were angry, and now our guys have come to Ukraine to claim debts.
  2. +7
    5 2014 June
    Yes, actually, where do trained fighters come from in Ukraine?
    There are no USSR reserve officers in all of Ukraine?
    1. +23
      5 2014 June
      There are enough of them. Grown up, trained in the USSR. But the question is - where and from which side are they? As a typical example - my neighbor, unsuccessful and unsuccessful as the commander of a parachute company. For their stupidity, they were kicked out of the gate at one time, in the 90s he and his wife - zapadenki suddenly heard a voice about Ukraine, sweating and feeding all of Russia ... they packed up their bags and went home to Mariupol for happiness. The current Minister of Defense of Ukraine Koval - also "our" former ... once commanded a battalion in Kirovabad, S.Ts.U.K.A. With the beginning of the next Maidan seizure of independence "disappeared" from all contacts and some classmates ... did not even come to the graduation anniversary. I remember the former subordinates I trained, the Ukrainians. In some years, up to 50% of the draft came from Ukraine. Some sort of stratification has occurred .... and so I would like to hope that their hands are not in the blood of Donbass residents.
    2. +1
      5 2014 June
      Quote: student 12423
      Yes, actually, where do trained fighters come from in Ukraine?
      There are no USSR reserve officers in all of Ukraine?

      And in the course, who became the plenipotentiary of the Minister of Defense of the DPR I. I. Strelkova?
      Fedor Berezin. Yes, that same writer is a science fiction.
      Only besides this, he is also a reserve officer, he served in the air defense air defense forces.
      And it doesn't matter that he served from 1981 to 1991 for a year.
      IMHO, the air defense systems possessed by the APU, and which could potentially become insurgent, do not suffer from special novelty ...
    3. 0
      8 2014 June
      Quote: student 12423
      Yes, actually, where do trained fighters come from in Ukraine? There are no USSR reserve officers in all of Ukraine?

      what kind of nonsense., there are only my classmates of docks of at least 6 people.
  3. +38
    5 2014 June
    We are together! Everything will be fine!
    1. +15
      5 2014 June
      I listened with pleasure to the story that a new gunner for “Nona” appeared from somewhere in Slavyansk. Which lays shells - as embroiders.

      And the shells have not ended a month ...
      1. +10
        5 2014 June
        Quote: RUSS
        I listened with pleasure to the story that a new gunner for “Nona” appeared from somewhere in Slavyansk. Which lays shells - as embroiders.

        And the shells have not ended a month ...


        There was a supply in Metro, so they took it ...
        1. Ratmir_rayzan
          0
          7 2014 June
          I’m not familiar with NONA, but I read it, it can shoot different types of ammunition, mines, shells, and even NATO ones ... There, somehow the barrel is set up, it can herach everyone ...
      2. +1
        6 2014 June
        Quote: RUSS
        And the shells have not ended a month ...

        Pancake. Not so. PANCAKE. They brought IS-3. I heard on the radio, I thought 34. And here the IS-3 and the shells are. This is a serious car. Will the old man take part in hostilities for the first time?
  4. +18
    5 2014 June
    "Russia is waging a war for the southeast of Ukraine"

    Amendment, citizens of Russia, but not the state
    1. +15
      5 2014 June
      Quote: saag
      Russian citizens, but not the state

      Who knows who knows... wink
    2. sergey261180
      -38
      5 2014 June
      Quote: saag
      Amendment, citizens of Russia, but not the state

      In-in. Hence the question: what the hell. do we need such a state?
      1. nicollider
        +3
        5 2014 June
        offer to arrange a maidan?
        1. sergey261180
          -8
          5 2014 June
          Quote: nicollider
          offer to arrange a maidan?

          Difficult question. Maidan is of course an ass. But even leaving, since eating will also not lead to anything good. The people separately (survive as you wish) - the state has nothing to do with it. Still, states are created to protect the people from external and internal threats, and in our country the role of the state is reduced to serving a handful of oligarchs. Strange things: troops were brought into Ossetia, they are not being brought into the South-East. Crimea is the historical territory of Russia - New Russia is not historical or what? And the people there are not Russian or what? Can Ossetians be resettled there so that the troops would be brought in?
          1. -8
            5 2014 June
            The Maidan is complete garbage, so things are not done at all, an idea is formed for a start, then campaigning is carried out on the ground, according to the results of this work and general readiness, power is taken over the day (!)
            1. nicollider
              0
              6 2014 June
              saag are you raving? Drink for 17 years - how long did it take for the Bolsheviks to take power into their own hands
          2. nickname 1 and 2
            +5
            5 2014 June
            Quote: sergey261180
            New Russia is not historical or what?


            this is not at the time of the end of the Second World War and the adoption of the document on the non-revision of borders!

            It is necessary to listen! - after all hollow: if it means to you then it is possible, but it is impossible for us?

            And in what year New Russia?

            And Ossetia = our peacekeepers were there! We defended them and go home! find fault!
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          4. Alexei
            +1
            5 2014 June
            You need to take everything at once and not in pieces. Or will the shooters appear in every area? Then you will definitely prove nothing to anyone.
          5. nicollider
            +1
            6 2014 June
            introducing troops into Novorossia we will get ruins in the rest of the territory - NATO troops and you can forget about Novorossia in a big sense.

            The chosen tactics, assistance with weapons, money, and instructors (well, I do not believe that they are not there, Volunteers - we know - they are) will certainly lead to the destruction of Ukraine, which, of course, is quite a big minus for local elites but for the people it’s a rather positive event, despite the victims.

            in this case, the loss of life is justified by the fact that if done differently, even more will die.

            Probably, it will not be the accession of the state of Novorossia to Russia, but a separate independent state, whose citizens deserve their own state in blood. sorry for the tautology.

            about Ossetia-not Ossetians then harnessed. far from Ossetians. For our state, it has always been, and under Ivan the Terrible, and in recent history, a dismissive attitude towards his fellow citizens was characteristic. and the fact that our peacekeepers were ironed there with hail is not the main reason. that’s the main truth, I can’t think of. only the image aspect comes to mind - do not harness then - would lead to a rather serious drop in the rating of GDP, perhaps you would get your own maidan.

            Well, about the Maidans, in particular. 1917 year. Maidan, who doesn’t jump, is a white-haired man. 1991 - also rode, well without blood. and at 17 and at 91 the same thing happens. Our elite is merging us. but! behind every such mess there is a rise. "Normal" (for politicians) people come to power. Let there be elections as a form of power change. the main thing is that our special services admit nationally oriented candidates to the elections. less cosmopolitanism.
          6. Shur
            0
            8 2014 June
            Reveal a little secret? The state was created around the sovereign and his family. The rest is history. The one who first appropriated the power of all became an autocrat, but no longer anyone and nothing. Be that as it may, the receivers of autocracy as state power are our current rulers. And while things are so, and not otherwise. You can discuss the topic for a long time, but we who are born under the state will never build life without it. Only new generations who have grown up in a free, self-governing society can change things. If not in words to convey all the powers to the people, then such a people should have a different identity and the most important culture in the true sense of the word. And then it will be a nation, not just a population.
        2. 0
          5 2014 June
          He offers the head to turn on, and not jump.
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        4. +1
          6 2014 June
          Quote: nicollider
          offer to arrange a maidan?

          You don’t stir up the brains of people here ..
          and then it’s scary to think where it all starts:
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      3. +1
        5 2014 June
        Quote: sergey261180
        In-in. Hence the question: what the hell. do we need such a state?
        And nobody holds you, you can change citizenship (for example, to Ukrainian)!
        1. +2
          5 2014 June
          Quote: Homo
          And nobody holds you, you can change citizenship (for example, to Ukrainian)!

          Generally bleached overeat? A man burns with patriotism, and you him in the camp of the enemy!
          Poorly turn on your head?
        2. +3
          5 2014 June
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: sergey261180
          In-in. Hence the question: what the hell. do we need such a state?
          And nobody holds you, you can change citizenship (for example, to Ukrainian)!

          There is a great game! The situation reminds me of the June 1914 situation in 10. Nicholas didn’t have enough brains then to get rid of the war that was imposed on us by all !!!!! Europe, in the end prsral empire! Do you want something like that? Me not! May God give wisdom and endurance to the President not to repeat old mistakes! We didn’t help and didn’t participate in many places — my father at one time fought for 65 months in Angola in 66-80 years. On the Internet, I didn’t find a single line about it. But later on, the sea of ​​late heroes of 50. We will learn the truth in XNUMX years if we survive ...
          1. Shur
            0
            8 2014 June
            If you delve deeper, the war against the Russians never stopped, but only changes the intensity. The goal is to destroy the Russian world. For half a thousand years the same thing, now the Uniates, now the raids, now with crosses, now without. And four hundred years ago, the same thing. Okraintsy did not appear yesterday at the site of the Galician and Volyn principalities. They knock out the very essence of the Russian people, ban all-history, culture, customs, the very mention of us and our affairs. RUSSIA WILL NEVER BE PEACE WITH THE WEST !!! So far, such an extremely simple idea will not reach the mind and heart of every Russian, and not only that, we will bite ourselves among enemies and further divide into even smaller pieces.
      4. Natalia
        +3
        5 2014 June
        Quote: sergey261180
        In-in. Hence the question: what the hell. do we need such a state?

        It used to be fashionable to blame Putin for housing and communal services reforms, low salaries. As soon as Putin returned the Crimea, it immediately became not fashionable about the housing and communal services. Now a new feature has appeared ...
        Today it’s hard to come up with why Putin is bad, and finally, they found why he is bad, you see bad because he didn’t send troops to Ukraine ... well, of course, you already know much more about the situation and the possible people sitting at the keyboard risks than some sort of Putin there.
        1. Shur
          0
          8 2014 June
          About XXX we will remember if we survive all this.
      5. Shur
        0
        8 2014 June
        On the same NATO one, so that it does not "stand" and does not loom at our fence.
    3. Not angry
      +6
      5 2014 June
      Quote: saag
      Amendment, citizens of Russia, but not the state


      Do not separate citizens and the state. The fact that the state does not help and we are actively talking about it. In doing so, we see there is help. And they say that they are citizens, no doubt. But if food can be bought medicine or just bring to the collection point. With weapons it’s more difficult, many will say you can buy because those who sell it are clearly not patriots and altruists donate. And now all this needs to be transported across the border. The conclusions are made by everyone.
      PS If the state does not help officially and we help, then this is done well. It’s worse when, on the contrary, everyone talks about help and no one sees it.

      Already someone wrote on the forum all this is bought at a pharmacy in Slavensk supplier management Ukrapteka.
      I believe that laughing
      1. +3
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Not evil
        Do not separate citizens and the state.

        Shooters are fighting, but is he the official representative of the state, or the writer Fedor Berezin, who personally considered it his duty to do this?

        Quote: Not evil
        In doing so, we see there is help.

        I don't know what you personally see, for example I see that they get weapons for money in Ukrainian military warehouses, this is according to Strelkov, a biker from "Night Wolves" brought them medicine with a truck, the state expresses concern in international organizations and is bargaining for gas
        1. Associate Professor
          +3
          5 2014 June
          Quote: saag
          weapons they get for money in Ukrainian military depots

          And where did, for example, the Metis-M ATGM come from the militias that are armed only in the Russian Federation? Photo above. In which warehouse did they buy it?
          1. -2
            5 2014 June
            And also in Bangladesh, Turkey, not the fact that not in Syria, it is so offhand
            1. Associate Professor
              0
              5 2014 June
              Quote: saag
              And also in Bangladesh, Turkey, not the fact that not in Syria, it is so offhand

              This complex of the Russian Federation did not export
          2. +4
            5 2014 June
            Quote: Docent
            And where did, for example, the Metis-M ATGM come from the militias that are armed only in the Russian Federation? Photo above. In which warehouse did they buy it?

            They stole it from the warehouse and sold it ...
            Or can only dill-ensign can "unload" warehouses?
            1. Associate Professor
              0
              5 2014 June
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              They stole it from the warehouse and sold it ...
              Or can only dill-ensign can "unload" warehouses?

              You have an explanation for everything.
              1. +3
                5 2014 June
                Quote: Docent
                You have an explanation for everything.

                We are learning from you ... fellow
                1. Associate Professor
                  0
                  5 2014 June
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  We are learning from you ...

                  Oh well ...
          3. I think there are quite a few normal deputies in military units. They sell decommissioned or ownerless weapons and ammunition for ridiculous money, especially when they find out for what purpose it is needed. And the generals turn a blind eye to this. And they’re doing it right.
        2. +6
          5 2014 June
          Quote: saag
          this is according to Strelkov
          But didn’t you think that the same Strelkov, a very clever and competent person, would not declare the true sources of arms supplies to the whole world? And he conducts not only military operations, but also an information war in conjunction with our specialists?
          1. -7
            5 2014 June
            He is certainly a smart person, but after all, the numbers of weapons themselves can tell about the participation of the state, and the Russian Federation is doing its utmost to avoid this, which is why the Polish MANPADS were probably included
            1. +2
              5 2014 June
              Quote: saag
              He is certainly a smart person, but after all, the numbers of weapons themselves can tell about the participation of the state, and the Russian Federation is doing its utmost to avoid this, which is why the Polish MANPADS were probably included

              and that the journalists were undercover journalists, and so the most brutal militants to combat the flight crew ukro.pis.tana? Something I do not see logic, what does the MANPADS and journalists?
              and there’s such a chip that ukro.pi.teki once sold these shots to mountainous and proud Georgia, but by coincidence they got into ukrainets.ops.tan .... there was no need to ukrainets.opu to trade weapons
        3. nicollider
          0
          6 2014 June
          ok, but where is the money from? we are talking about military equipment. there the prices are beyond
    4. Ratmir_rayzan
      0
      7 2014 June
      The state of the Russian Federation is the citizens of Russia ...
  5. +2
    5 2014 June
    In my opinion, the geyropa and especially in the last turn should accuse anyone of waging war and supplying weapons! They have millions of lives on their account, and if we are at war, then only for a just cause!
  6. +26
    5 2014 June
    I completely agree with the author of the article .. Once again I repeat ... Our leader is a scout .. The postulate of a scout ,, Who knows, he is silent, but acts .. ,,
    Respect to the author of the article.
    1. +1
      5 2014 June
      Roman, with pleasure I plus.
      Undoubtedly, Russia's assistance will only increase. Both in volume and in form.

      ZY
      And hysteria, in some, it either passes, or turns into clinical forms.
  7. +15
    5 2014 June
    And what will change from the fact that we will send troops there? The whole world will scream that Russia has attacked. America and Europe will have an official right to put arms and mercenaries openly and they will already protect the people of Ukraine from Russian aggression. Isn’t it better to quietly supply weapons and people without officially confirming this?
    1. Demon0n
      +1
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Humen
      And what will change from the fact that we will send troops there? The whole world will scream that Russia has attacked. America and Europe will have an official right to put arms and mercenaries openly and they will already protect the people of Ukraine from Russian aggression. Isn’t it better to quietly supply weapons and people without officially confirming this?

      First you need to decide what is the law for us and everyone. If the law is not needed, then you can do anything, but then you should not be offended when the son or daughter breaks his head in a mentally ill cabinet, because in this case, this cabinet is 100% right, and the offspring is an eccentric. If laws are needed, then they must be respected or changed. And justice ... justice is different for everyone, including and that cabinet has its own.
    2. Ratmir_rayzan
      0
      7 2014 June
      Of course it’s better ... The thing is being done, and this is the main thing ... And shouting about it is not worth the whole Ivanovskaya ...
  8. +7
    5 2014 June
    That's right, we don’t leave our own. History speaks for itself.
  9. +4
    5 2014 June
    It’s a pity you can’t give them airplanes ...
    1. +1
      5 2014 June
      repaint and fight! winked
      1. 0
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Nasha Rasha
        repaint and fight!

        Everything is ahead.
    2. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: vsoltan
      It’s a pity you can’t give them airplanes ...

      And why does the "May 2 driigade" not shoot Ukrainian pilots? wink
    3. +1
      5 2014 June

      It’s a pity you can’t give them airplanes ...
      Why not? You can privately buy and donate a plane at your own expense. wink Take an example from V.V.Zhirinovsky who presented the leadership of the LPR with a / a Tiger. hi
      1. 0
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Gomunkul

        It’s a pity you can’t give them airplanes ...
        Why not? You can privately buy and donate a plane at your own expense. wink Take an example from V.V.Zhirinovsky who presented the leadership of the LPR with a / a Tiger. hi

        By the way, did the "Tiger" get to them?
        1. 0
          6 2014 June
          By the way, did the "Tiger" get to them?


          On May 7, at about 18:00, 30-35 armed men in camouflage and masks arrived at the Izvarino checkpoint in four minibuses, and stopped at a distance of 200 m from the checkpoint. At about 20:30, a green Tiger car (UE 986 K 77 rus), which disappeared in an unknown direction, made an unauthorized entry across the state border from the territory of the Russian Federation through the Volna fence. After that, unknown persons also left in minibuses.

          Thus, the military Tiger SUV, which the LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky promised to send to pro-Russian protesters in Lugansk, arrived safely in the city, although the reason why it turned green from blue in one night remained unclear.

          link: http: //www.zr.ru/content/news/640868-zhirinovskij-otpravil-svoj-tig
          rv-po
          moshh-luganskim-opolchencam / hi
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  10. +2
    5 2014 June
    People help - it is. And what is power? Vaughn Putin in a recent interview said he was ready to cooperate with the new government of Ukraine. Is it with the Nazis?
    1. +1
      5 2014 June
      Do not pay attention to it. These are political games ...
  11. sensey
    +3
    5 2014 June
    Good, correct article.
  12. sarov 69
    +10
    5 2014 June
    I am proud that in Russia there are people like Strelkov. And I completely agree with the author in terms of the fact that the South-East is fighting. The South-East makes body movements, but this is not enough to win. And the shooters are fighting as our grandfathers fought.
  13. sarov 69
    +20
    5 2014 June
    Good day to all. I ask for help. I read this on my city website: Let's carefully consider the famous battle for the Donetsk airport. This is a very good example, revealing the essence and background of what is happening with the DNI and LC.

    Do you know why this fight took place at all? Because South Ossetians and Chechens came to Donetsk to help the Russian brothers, with good weapons (automatic grenade launchers, ZUshki, modern RPGs), and most importantly - with a desire to fight. And so they arrived - and what do they see? Some kind of muddy fuss and an incomprehensible expectation of something incomprehensible. There are a lot of military facilities and parts of Ukraine around - but no one is trying to take control of them, seize weapons, and so on. All the activities of the command of the "militias" boiled down to the fact that they built checkpoints around Donetsk and placed fighters with light weapons on them - and these fighters sit at checkpoints, shaking passing buses for money and morally decaying. There is no taking control of the territory of the Donetsk region, but behind-the-scenes raids with Kiev are taking place - to the point that the city councils of the DPR send loyal congratulations to Poroshenko on his election to the presidency. As HMagier aptly wrote - they say, "they are afraid that it will turn out sideways for them later."

    The newcomers began to have questions. And so that questions would no longer arise, the local authorities decided to merge the newcomers. Apparently, they agreed with Kiev and sent all active fighters to "occupy the airport." Well, they say you want to fight - that's your goal, fight. What was the military meaning of occupying and holding the airport - no one will explain to you, because the only meaning could have been if Russian airborne troops were waiting for the landing in Donetsk, which quite obviously could not be. In all other cases, it made no sense to occupy the airport and hold it. If it was necessary to prevent the landing of the dill aircraft, it was only necessary to block the runway with all kinds of scrap metal and not let it be removed. Or to lay charges on the runway and undermine the runway in several places - that would be enough to prevent the landing of aircraft, but helicopters will land anywhere, in the wasteland around Donetsk in bulk, they do not need an airport.

    That is why the occupation of the Ossetian-Chechen volunteers at the airport terminal, which is completely glass and shot through with missiles and air guns, and is far enough from residential areas so that it can be freely bombed into the state of Stalingrad and Homs without significant collateral losses of the civilian population - it was just a setup. And what followed - it is reliably proved.

    Therefore, by the way, the corpses of dead volunteers were sent to Russia not only without publicity, but even without the presence of the leadership of the DPR. Two people came from the whole leadership - Denis Pushilin (Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the DPR) and Alexander Borodai (Prime Minister of the DPR), each of whom was with his own guard and they did not even come to each other.

    Comrade HMagier was already amazed that out of the 120 thousandth Slavyansk, leading the hardest battles, it was necessary to send a group of militias to help the millionth of Donetsk. But I will reveal the secret - the sent group of Strelkov’s reliable fighters is the current guard of the Beard, with whom Strelkov is old friends. That is, the situation in the DPR is such that Borodai cannot trust any of the local Donetsk militia, and is forced to pull up non-local fighters from Strelkov, otherwise you may suddenly die.

    If there are people from Lugansk or Donetsk. Could this be? Sincerely.
    1. nicollider
      +5
      5 2014 June
      this really explains the mess and the wild number of Russian citizens among the corpses
    2. +1
      5 2014 June
      shorter guys leaked! but not surprisingly, there are so many muddy leaders divorced! But time will put everything in its place.
      1. ed65b
        +3
        5 2014 June
        There is another version voiced by the leadership of New Russia. in short, the agreement with the army was not violated about not shooting at each other, etc. Infa about the merger of the militia des. The most militant died, it makes no sense to lay them down. And if negotiations with the junta were conducted and the leadership of the DPR really led them, believe the Strelkov would have already gone home long ago with the rest. In war this is clearly seen. This info is from the series of the declaration of war by Bolotov Pushkov.
    3. -6
      5 2014 June
      In general, a bunch of interesting opinions are now being published. Just have time to digest, and build your own look.
      During a conversation with the journalist of the radio station "Echo of Moscow" Olga Zhuravleva on the evening of July 4, Dmitry Lvovich, in particular, said: "Donetsk is Russian Israel. Many people say that this is Russian Palestine. No. Unfortunately, not so. It stands out from society (then - from the large Jewish diaspora, which suffered greatly from the Holocaust, now - from the Russian world, which is experiencing fragmentation and humiliation, and many not the best times) a passionate part stands out.
      This passionate part is inspired by completely eclectic, very strange ideals. They want to restore the Russia that exists in their imagination. "" They immediately wrote to you: do not offend Israel. Don't even insult, they wrote, "Olga Zhuravleva noted, after which Dmitry Bykov said:
      "I don't have a very good attitude to the idea of ​​Israel ... In Israel, I was once asked: in one of your interviews there is an opinion that Israel is a historical mistake, that's why you say that? I quoted Ehrenburg's 22nd article in response. that, in my opinion, the place of salt in other dishes, and she does not need to gather in one salt shaker. And in general, it seems to me, the creation of your own national state in the 20th century is a step back. This is a return from the bright future of all nations to the ideology of blood and soil ...
      I believe that a country that is as if spread around the world, which is united by religion and culture, common memory, but not territory, is simply an anthropologically higher model ... I am not very happy about what Israel is doing, what it says. And I am completely unpleasant that many people go there. But since it happened so, we have to continue to evaluate this project in this spirit. "
    4. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: sarov 69
      If there are people from Lugansk or Donetsk. Could this be? Sincerely.

      I will not discuss everything. If you "swallow" information indiscriminately, you can easily panic, which happened to me. But in the story of the battles for Donetsk airport, something seemed strange to me, an ignorant person in military affairs. , as indicated in the note: why hold and storm the airport, if: 1. it is not expected from the day to the day of arrival of Russian military transport aircraft; 2. its own military aviation is not based; 3. it is possible to achieve the impossibility of using the airport by Ukrainian aviation in advance having mined everything; or "filling up" the airport territory with "concrete", heavy equipment; finally, destroying everything in advance. To guard the airport, place MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns in the buildings closest to the airport. Place mortars as well, "shooting" them. Prepare heavy equipment, in order to quickly "drive" it to the take-off field, while MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns "restrain" combat aviation. That's what I thought, but I am an amateur in these matters and may be wrong.
    5. +5
      5 2014 June
      Quote: sarov 69
      Good day to all. I ask for help. I read this on my city website

      It would look very organic - "I am the officer's son, I ask for help."
      Why don't you give a link to your city site? Or maybe there is no website, but you are just another newbie-disinformer, who have been pouring water here for the last few days and splashing "righteous" emotions?

      You posted this "information" in three articles, apparently to enhance the effect:

      Donetsk People's Republic expects to receive a stabilization loan from the Russian Federation
      Today's victories militias southeast
      Russia is fighting for the south-east of Ukraine


      Well, you really need everyone to think so. And even if they don’t think, then you will sow doubt.
      1. sarov 69
        0
        5 2014 June
        I am an officer myself. I posted an article in 3 articles, because I really want to understand how things are going in the DPR and LPR. I myself am in the Nizhny Novgorod region. I don’t have a daughter, only a son. And who are you ?
      2. sarov 69
        0
        5 2014 June
        Website Spiky Sarov by the name of the city. Sincerely.
        1. +1
          5 2014 June
          Quote: sarov 69
          Website Thorny Sarov

          The site itself is no longer important (and I did not find this article there). She is taken from here:
          http://bulochnikov.livejournal.com/1447347.html

          Not like provocation or disinformation, so my suspicions seem to be baseless. In general, the text is interesting, converges with many observations. Required to familiarize yourself.

          As for the appeal to the living there to tell about the situation - and from here it is clear that there are very few warring people there, the article is mainly about this.

          Here is another article from there: http://bulochnikov.livejournal.com/1447782.html

          It should be understood that today the militia is not a mass movement of the rebellious people, but, basically, an army of professional warriors who managed to mark themselves in all the hot spots of the last decade.

          Also worth reading the entire text.

          Thank you for the indirect tip and apologize for the haste)
          1. sarov 69
            0
            5 2014 June
            Accepted. I'd like to understand the situation in the South-East. Who knows, maybe we still have to help. I am only 44.
          2. sarov 69
            0
            5 2014 June
            Thanks for the source. drinks
          3. 0
            5 2014 June
            And here is another version of what happened at the airport, already from the lips of a direct participant, the commander of the Vostok battalion Khodakovsky:
            http://topwar.ru/50588-my-svoih-idey-ne-navyazyvaem-a-dlya-nih-rasprava-eto-delo
            -principa.html

            He says that an attack on the airport was not planned, the task was to somewhat limit the activity of the troops guarding the airport. But there were not only simple warriors, but also ideologically pumped up military groups and mercenaries who provoked an active conflict, starting to shoot at both sides, at their own and others.
            ---
            Really?
            Version with a setup - conclusions.
            Version with a misunderstanding between the army and the militia - the words of the participant.
            In the first version there are unreasonable assumptions that, to the words of Khodakovsky, looked quite sensible, then they didn’t.
            Could he distort the truth? Could. Moreover, he himself says that their coordination with Strelkov is weak. Each one acts on its own, which means that motives can vary, although the main goal is common. There may well be reasons to hide or distort reality ...

            In general, what is more like the truth here is up to everyone to decide.
  14. +42
    5 2014 June
    My good friend died yesterday. With weapons in hand. Miner. Cossack. Himself from Donetsk. Citizen of Ukraine.
    This is all to the author’s word about what he saw in the coffin.
    For me, the author is simply lying. People are fighting from all over Ukraine. And do not distort.
    1. +9
      5 2014 June
      I'm sorry of course your friend, but how many militias? why did you have to transfer fighters from near Slavyansk? how much can millions of Donetsk put up? where are they? or they don’t care if they die for them? so there’s no lie in the article.
    2. 0
      5 2014 June
      I’m not fighting, only sooooo small%
      1. 0
        6 2014 June
        Quote: Mayer1980
        I’m not fighting, only sooooo small%

        I do not agree, firstly, so many people from Russia simply wouldn’t come to restrain an entire army + of mercenaries, and the Ukrainians kept the border tight, and secondly, if the Ukrainians did not want to go to the militia, what kind of support could the Russian fighters go for speech, especially if they kill peaceful Ukrainians, you want to say the people will not rise? Imagine a similar situation in Russia, the Nazis bombing cities and none of the Russians rise? And there in the Donbass the same Russian mentality!
  15. +3
    5 2014 June
    Hold on, brothers, we will not abandon our own!
  16. +1
    5 2014 June
    Well, the inhabitants of the southeast write that strangers with weapons appeared who are fighting with someone. There is no people’s war of liberation there, therefore only Russians who have won the war and not one will fight.
  17. +4
    5 2014 June
    They should deal with the border ... remove the dill outposts from the borders ...
    1. +3
      5 2014 June
      Quote: parusnik
      They should deal with the border ... remove the dill outposts from the borders ...


      So some have already been removed. In Lugansk, a battle went on for three days over a border detachment.
  18. +4
    5 2014 June
    In vain you are so pro ...... Sberbank!
    In Slavyansk, only Sberbank of Russia issues cash.
  19. Wolland
    +3
    5 2014 June
    After the bombing, by some chance, planes and helicopters of the Kiev army began to fall, wangyu - they shot down the DNI and LNR with their torso boots .......

    and a bright day of unity will come, as part of the Russian Federation, new subjects of the Federation will appear (Donetsk and Lugansk regions) = New Russia, I truly believe in this Day.
    1. 0
      5 2014 June
      Good evening! I do not agree with you! after 3 years, my child was catching fascists in the west of the Ukrainian SSR! and never liked to talk about it ... Why should our generation be scattered throughout the territory, covered with the blood of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? I am for the accession of Ukraine to the Eurasian Union! And the old man said correctly! - “Ukraine is missing!”
  20. arthur_hammer
    +7
    5 2014 June
    An excellent article and Solovyov’s monologue to the point, this is an explanation to those who have not yet understood why regular troops of the Russian Federation cannot be introduced
  21. +4
    5 2014 June
    it’s necessary to figure out who needs it, if the people of the southeast, then ... then why are our volunteers fighting and dying? It’s not trivial, if in a city with thousands of people everybody will throw at least a stone, instead of filming it, anyone will fall asleep btr. and if a crowd really takes to the streets, the nerves of any attackers cannot stand it.
    if Russia needs this, then let's give the president the opportunity to decide and act without silly appeals and advice.
  22. -39
    5 2014 June
    "because of 200-300 thousand Ossetians, Russia forced Georgia to peace, and then there are millions of Russians, the civilian population is dying ..." And Russia runs around on tsyrlahs for gas babies, gets a click on the nose every time, withdraws troops from the border, trembles because of the mistrals and NOTHING!
    1. +6
      5 2014 June
      READ CAREFULLY SEARCHING IN THE INTERNET. IF MISTRALY RUSSIA DOES NOT RECEIVE. ONLY FRANCE WILL BE LOSED. RUSSIA WILL PAY A PENALTY FOR A CONTRACT RETURN AND WILL RETURN 80%. . WHAT DOES NOT SHAKE RUSSIA WILL NOT WAIT.
    2. +12
      5 2014 June
      that is, Russia should send troops and destroy this evil, and you will sit in huts, earn money. And then accuse Russia of occupation. Share your strategic thoughts.
    3. +3
      5 2014 June
      The official introduction of troops and the taking control of the borders of the DPR and LPR will lead to the fact that the guards meat will pour in at the border guards and regular shelling by art systems. We'll have to drive the tanks to the border with Poland, and behind the back there will be a sea of ​​washed ukrozombi. As a result, a protracted guerrilla war.
      1. 0
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Minsk
        The official introduction of troops and the taking control of the borders of the DPR and LPR will lead to the fact that the National Guard guards will pour in on the border guards and regular shelling by art systems

        what meat, what regular shelling, a couple of assaults and there is neither one nor the other, the dumb dumb ones will die
      2. 0
        5 2014 June
        The border will be held and will not be allowed to close. 130 km of unguarded territory the Nazis will not be able to block.
    4. +5
      5 2014 June
      Quote: zloybond
      "because of 200-300 thousand Ossetians, Russia forced Georgia to peace, and then there are millions of Russians, the civilian population is dying ..." And Russia runs around on tsyrlahs for gas babies, gets a click on the nose every time, withdraws troops from the border, trembles because of the mistrals and NOTHING!

      I see you are new here with the rank of Lance-corporal "Excellent Soldier". But he’s not on friendly terms with his head, or he’s from the other side.
      There is no need to wave a saber and fear with a spear, not that age on earth.
      “Where did you see tiptoe running around?”
      - Who clicked on the diarrhea?
      “Where's the shiver, wf, behind the Mistral?”
      The loot for gas must be removed from the Ukrainian authorities to the fullest, so that they know the principle of goods-money, and if they don’t pay, then another principle is money-goods. And besides, there is less money in the junta - less sponsorship of the army and military operation and the discount here is also normal, so that they buy and pay again and spend less loot on the military commissar and fascist manners, and at the same time the population will have gas (not all the same there are fascists, there and there are Russians, but we don’t abandon ours.)
      And figs with them with the Mistrals ordered under Serdyukov - they would have to return the denyushkas and build their own, but since they ordered so to defend until the last pulling a thread France about an allegedly reliable partner. For business, trust and reliability are paramount, and if they break the contract, they will then lose more while sitting without contracts.
    5. 0
      5 2014 June
      And why doesn’t gas give peace to everyone? The Ukrainians themselves praise the accumulated gas reserves. We need to pull money from them, wash them out of the budget right now. No money, no sex. Those. the more dollars go from dill, the cheaper the hryvnia. As long as they resell gas, the people are very impoverished, and they will not be up to the integrity of the country. Gas is supplied at volumes previously agreed upon in the contracts; I did not choose the volume - a fine. Europe will not want to be substituted. Storage is not rubber. Therefore, the sale of gas is also a weapon, it is like planting China on opium at the end of the XNUMXth century. So you can create another Maidan, already against Poroshenko. And the national guard with the right-wingers will herach the zapadentsev.
      And the Mistrals are already a Russian way of putting pressure on France. For in both options for the development of the transaction there are mutually balancing pros and cons for Russia.
    6. 0
      July 17 2014
      How the couch generals like you got me. Did he even serve in the army, or did he hide under the skirt of his mother or wife? If you are so sick for Novorossia then go to the militia !!!
  23. sergey261180
    +4
    5 2014 June
    The Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is first of all those who inhabit it. That is, we.
    How to fight and work is the people, and how to learn the loot is the state and Gazprom.
    In short, as I understood from the article, there are two different states: "Russia" and "And what do we have to do with it ?!"
    1. Ratmir_rayzan
      +1
      7 2014 June
      Why are you pestering Gazprom! This is just a company, yes private, but how much income from its activities goes to the budget! 25% or so! Who believes that gas for Russian citizens should be free or gas cost a penny there - go to Siberia, work at the rig, feel how it all goes and how much money you need to invest before you make a profit! And even now in Russia everyone can become a co-owner of even such a company as Gazprom or Rosneft, it’s very simple, open a brokerage account and buy shares of Nornikil, Gazprom, Sber and these companies will work for you personally, you can even take part in shareholders meetings ! The state and the people are one and the same! What kind of people is such a state! And it’s enough to blame others for our misfortunes, only we ourselves are guilty of our troubles!
  24. +6
    5 2014 June
    And BamBamka whines every time that it is necessary to impose sanctions against Russia again for the Donbass. This is the only thing I believe in him, it means the truth is fighting, and so cleverly and technically that apart from empty whining, not a single fact.
    1. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: jungar
      And BamBamka whines every time that it is necessary to impose sanctions against Russia again for the Donbass. This is the only thing I believe in him, it means the truth is fighting, and so cleverly and technically that apart from empty whining, not a single fact.

      Correctly noted, "African American" is not in vain helplessly squealing.
  25. +3
    5 2014 June
    And here, probably, whoever freaks out faster, as in Vietnam, the Americans all rubbed themselves, rubbed themselves next to them, then they launched the aviation, and then Johnson got tired of it, fired at Maddox and climbed in to the fullest. They probably won’t climb into Ukraine, but they can incite any Poles. ukroarmiyu hope, especially since the Nazis, too, "not cake" turned out to be, what they hoped for, the passivity of Russia? But it seems not the 90s, and Yeltsin has long been eaten by worms. And a tie-eating specialist will confirm if that.
  26. +1
    5 2014 June
    Well, if so. Let us hope that the Darkest has everything under control.
  27. +4
    5 2014 June
    Judging by the video at the end of the article, I am perplexed by one single question - all as one fighters of the "Ukrainian Liberation Army" are filming what is happening on their phones, they call home, being at the site of the operation, and the whole Ukraine is voting that Putin attacked them " homeland "? Then the second question - since the Russian army is so frail it has locked itself in several cities and covered itself with a human shield, maybe it is worth carrying out a couple of "preventive" strikes on the territory of Russia? The junta's propaganda simply surpassed Gebel's. Why goebels is a boy.
  28. +1
    5 2014 June
    Quote: vsoltan
    It’s a pity you can’t give them airplanes ...

    But you can help to land! It was not without reason that they announced the recruitment of tankers, air defense officers and pilots to the militia according to the VUS!
  29. sarov 69
    +1
    5 2014 June
    I would recommend that all volunteers first go to Strelkov. He at least uses all the features effectively. But he does not deal with the distribution of spheres of influence and other issues that can be resolved later.
  30. +3
    5 2014 June
    And let's look at some facts from the other side.
    Let's see, dear Roman. Of course - "Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is, Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is, first of all, those who inhabit it. That is, we . ", but Russia is also the state in which we live, with which we identify ourselves, in which there is a government that personifies its people and the country as a whole. First, our government called the overthrow of Yanukovych an unconstitutional coup, a coup. Secondly, this coup was sponsored and coordinated by the United States, clearly against Russia, and this fact is indicated by our authorities. Finally, not all the population of Ukraine accepted the self-proclaimed power, not everyone wanted to obey it. That is why a referendum was held in Crimea and directly in Sevastopol. The will of the inhabitants was recognized and satisfied by Russia. The South-East rose on this wave, but our activity and clear position ended, in the same Kharkiv dissenters were gradually muzzled, and the referendums of Donetsk and Lugansk were somehow vaguely perceived by Russia, calling the republics "self-proclaimed" in the news. Is this double standards? If the government in Kiev is illegal, what kind of business can we have with it? What "elections" could this government hold, persecuting all dissidents? Now with this Poroshenko, which will whip up passions against Russia, our officials will go by the hand to greet, congratulate, recognizing him as the "legitimate" president of "All Ukraine" ... Isn't our government responsible for those who have been encouraged, for those who believed in the patronage and assistance of Russia? Volunteers, it's a good thing, but the official recognition of the republics of Lugansk and Donetsk is much better, as much better is the supply of heavy military equipment and weapons, instead of a bashful, secret transfer of small arms, against tanks, artillery and aircraft of pro-American Dill. Sooner or later they will crush our volunteers and militias with packs of Westerners, with the help of NATO and the United States ... Let the United States help its thugs-thugs in Syria so bashfully, we should have nothing to be ashamed of on Russian soil, on our borders. If the people of Russia want to help New Russia, and the people of the South-East are drawn to Russia, if the Nazis came to power in Ukraine, why is our government not with its people, not with their choice?
    1. +1
      5 2014 June
      And I want to see that 30 million, not 3, would have gone from a millionth Donetsk to the militia. ENOUGH EMPTY WORDS, we are helping not publicly, since for the last 20 years we have had so many Coffins of young guys WHAT IS ENOUGH FOR A CENTURY! Hugo-East helps with human resources, we are arms and money. YOU A MINUS, for not knowing how to think with your head!
      1. +7
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Marrying
        YOU MINUS
        It is your right, I expressed my opinion, it is a pity that you did not read it very carefully or did not think about it (like a number of other ardent patriots-minusists). We are talking about the recognition of Novorossiya, not the introduction of troops. We are talking about the supply of heavy weapons, not just light ones. As for your pathos about the coffins, so militias and VOLUNTEERS FROM RUSSIA are dying there, there would be much less deaths with better weapons, and there would be more rise in resistance. Yes, and I just think with my head. and not only "hurray" I shout, if we lose the South-East, these same "coffins" will begin in Russia itself, when the Nazi, Russophobic Banderia will grow and strengthen on our borders. You from me "zero", so that they think more often and deeper.
    2. +1
      5 2014 June
      It seems that the mass of zapadentsev put cons.
      1. +2
        5 2014 June
        I'm not a Westerner, but I put a minus to the article. The author does not want to comment on emissions, so as not to spoil his head, but nevertheless spoiled, as the article seems to convince someone in something. I completely agree with the person with the nickname Per se. - no need to be shy and afraid to voice your official position. Take the West, the G7 countries did not recognize the elections in Syria, but recognized the power that came by way of a coup in Ukraine and the presidential election. They threatened us with sanctions (the matter is not sanctions, the fact is that we are threatened and dictated by conditions) if we recognize the referendums in the DPR and LPR and do not recognize the presidential election in Ukraine. As a result, instead of specific statements, they only heard a grunt of respect.
        About Putin's interview to French journalists, he said: “Describing the situation in the East of Ukraine, Putin bluntly said that a punitive operation is underway there. And that the newly elected President Poroshenko still has a chance not to get his hands dirty with the blood of fellow citizens and end the war against his own people. " Poroshenko covered his hands in blood as the organizer of the Maidan and had already sunk his hands up to the elbows in blood, since he did not stop the punitive operation, but supported him with heavy artillery and aviation. As I wrote in the commentary on another article, this is not diplomacy, it is hypocrisy.
    3. komrad.klim
      0
      5 2014 June
      politics and diplomacy is not a button on the clave to press ...
      and with Hitler the USSR communicated for 8 years on a "brotherly" note ...
      and with a thug physically stronger than you, threatening you with reprisal, you will try to come to an agreement with cunning in a good way, and when he is distracted, splash his poison in a glass ...
      1. +4
        5 2014 June
        Quote: komrad.klim
        and with Hitler the USSR communicated for 8 years on a "brotherly" note ...
        Communicated, ended in 1941. Who knows, they would have broken into Hitler in 1939, when Germany was not strong enough, and the Red Army at the peak of its power, maybe so many millions of lives would not have been lost. As for "a thug physically stronger than you, threatening you with violence", what are you talking about? It's not in the backyard to dry your pants, keeping your health, Russia is the only country that can destroy the United States. In an amicable way, we can't come to an agreement with the bandits, if we give the slack, they'll sit on their necks .. There are national interests that are vital to us, and we need to fight for them. That's it, genosse.
        1. Djein
          +1
          5 2014 June
          Quote: komrad.klim
          komrad.
          ... and communicated with Hitler of the USSR for 8 years on a "brotherly" note ...

          Per se, I also tried to explain this ... It is useless ... If we had seen them live, and not nicknames, we probably would not have ...
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  31. +4
    5 2014 June
    The situation in Spain of the thirty-seventh year, our volunteers also fought with the brave courage of the inter-brigade, while the local troops fled at the first blows of the Franco, throwing as much as our advisers spent in order to at least put things in order at the fronts, among other things, the detachments were already there .Well, it’s very like going on SE.
    1. sarov 69
      +1
      5 2014 June
      I agree, there is an analogy, although not complete.
  32. Hyperboreec
    +6
    5 2014 June
    Russia (the people of the country) is not fighting for the South-East of Ukraine.

    Russia (the people of the country) is fighting for ALL Ukraine.
    1. 0
      5 2014 June
      THIS IS CORRECT. THE SOUTH-EAST will conquer YOURSELF. FASHIKOV. NOT WITHOUT OUR FINALLY HELP. THE OTHER REGIONS WILL JOIN IT.
  33. +2
    5 2014 June
    Very well written. Just liked it. +
  34. sarov 69
    +7
    5 2014 June
    I look at the leaders of the DNI and LC. There is a war, with the use of all weapons from the Punishers. Where is the single headquarters, where is the single intelligence, where is the Unified Supply, where is at least at least an attempt to truly unite in confronting the Punishers. Interestingly, they want to win at the expense of Strelkov and Slavyansk, or over the past months, everyone decided to wait for the Russian troops to enter. After all my questions, I am categorically against the introduction of troops, especially since the leaders of the DPR and LPR are leading the warrior illiterate, if they do not know how to do it themselves, it was necessary to use ALL the opportunities and put them in charge of the Professional Troops. Or maybe they are afraid to transfer the Troops into the wrong hands? Then what will happen after the victory, division and squabbles?
    1. -6
      5 2014 June
      personally, I have an increasing impression that all these DNRs are one big provocation with the goal of drawing Russia into a big war
    2. +2
      5 2014 June
      I look at the leaders of the DNI and LC. There is a war, with the use of all weapons from the Punishers. Where is the single headquarters, where is the single intelligence, where is the Unified Supply, where is at least at least an attempt to truly unite in confronting the Punishers. Interestingly, they want to win at the expense of Strelkov and Slavyansk, or over the past months, everyone decided to wait for the Russian troops to enter.
      Here in the LPR are corrected. They clean the city from the troops of Kiev.
      1. sarov 69
        +2
        5 2014 June
        If at such a pace they will analyze the situation and take measures, they will devour them, a qualitative change in the situation is necessary, especially in terms of supply and intelligence.
  35. +8
    5 2014 June
    Posted by: Russian Browser in Tue, 03 / 06 / 2014 - 11: 10.
    Source: http://rusvesna.su

    Colonel Strelkov noted the markedly increased professionalism of his gunners and mortars:
    “On Karachun a couple of hours ago, ammunition was torn for a long time ... Just a few 120 mm mines, but directed with the right hand ... So the Ukrainian artillery (which is“ fighting ”) also gets it.”
    Igor Ivanovich also answered this question: how many locals will remain in the militia, in the event of an amnesty declared by Kiev?
    “Will not decrease at all. Everyone here is so deeply despised by the Kiev authorities who lie to the ears from the heels to the ears, they understand so much that they can’t believe in a penny, that every day the city surrounded on all sides, on the verge of assault and fired by artillery every day, arrives at 30- 40-50 residents of other cities of Donbass. And stand in line. Of course, there are deserters, too - about 5% is eliminated - very little for voluntary formation. ”
    Thus, Igor Ivanovich noted the high morale and morale of his fighters, which not a single Ukrainian force unit participating in the ATO can boast of.
    Is there an ideological component in the management vertical? Or all the fighters come already ideologically savvy in terms of dealing with dill?
    “Unfortunately, this does not matter. But, on the other hand, people of so different views gathered here, united only by sincere hatred of dill and the common language and culture, that it is even harmful to produce something “general ideological”. The national liberation component is still enough. ”
    Today we published a video of training militants of the special battalions "Kharkov-1" and "Slobozhanshchina", Igor Ivanovich commented on these warriors:
    "Meat. Dumb and scary, but very short-lived. We wait. Let them go. ”
    Today, Ukrainian artillery actively bombed SLAVYAZHMASH, Igor Ivanovich called the reason: “They are afraid that the heavy weapons production line will be mothballed. And then - to the future cleaners of European toilets no heavy industry is needed in principle. It is important for them that shit does not end in Europe. ”
    Many readers suggest that Igor Ivanovich conduct explanatory work among the servicemen of the Ukrainian army so that they more actively switch to the side of the militia.
    “We tried. The results are different. Sometimes there are shots at close range from few "Svidomo" or "PS detachments", sometimes - the capture and beating of those who tried to "solve the matter with the world", sometimes reprisals against those who went to such negotiations on their part (and then us)".
  36. +3
    5 2014 June
    It is clear that the DNR bosses have their own graters and an underhanded struggle, one thing that at first trumpeted the dispossession of Akhmetov, but now it turned out that it was impossible to touch him, eloquently ...
  37. +2
    5 2014 June
    Quote: sergey261180
    Quote: saag
    Amendment, citizens of Russia, but not the state

    In-in. Hence the question: what the hell. do we need such a state?

    Are you fucking us? You are clearly a provocateur!
  38. 0
    5 2014 June
    "Author, do not fall the office! .."
  39. +9
    5 2014 June
    The first one. The author is certainly a smart person, but he made a conclusion as if he didn’t write all of the above. I will not go into details, but I do not agree with half the article ..

    Trust Strelkov’s statements .... He is at war, and any phrase he wrote is a weapon .. I won’t tell anyone who understood - he understood ... But I would be careful not to draw conclusions based on his words. They are not only for us.

    I advise the author to take a trip to the place and see what conditions people live in and talk with people ... Oh, I would learn a lot of interesting things from people who have no money, nothing to buy products for, which will end soon and so on. ...

    I see a lot of things, even more than the author noticed, but try not to indicate, because not only we, but also our opponents carefully monitor everything written. Where is the guarantee that the clippings from this article, added by competent consultants, with some moments taken out of context in the form of screenshots, will not appear in the Ukrainian media as proof of deliveries? The head should think about this ...

    Donetsk airport ... And if I say that he was occupied by a unit of the National Guard and as it turned out now by the PMC groups? They couldn’t knock it out on their own, they went together .. of course someone leaked it, you go to the city site of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk - every movement of the Strelka soldiers is poured there, where it went, where it stands ... and the Strelka soldiers are called separators and terrorists ...

    That is why a strong battle was that the backbone of the defense was a PMC and the junta threw all its forces to ensure that not a single foreign "special" would fall into the hands of the militia, alive or dead ... In addition, it would not hurt to look at the map - from Astronauts Street is practically a clear field of fire, and only a small forest plantation along the Elite Street approaching the airport itself. Ideal for defense. Immediately beyond the runway, there is a large forest area ....

    It is inadmissible to have such a "hole" in your city.

    Now about the fact that the parts were not occupied and so on ... Or maybe there was no need. And now, when the border with the Russian Federation has been opened on a small piece (by the way, tomorrow it seems like a strong reinforcement of the border guards should move from Kharkov to take control back according to Turchinov's instructions to completely close the border with Russia), then any appearance of the militia's military equipment and some weapons is possible to write off to "but captured in units and repaired" ....

    Well, something like this...
  40. +1
    5 2014 June
    I agree with the author of the article that only all together we can overcome this evil, which at the moment acts as a fascist Kiev junta. No enemy will ever stand if the Russian people are united, but our fifth column constantly makes attempts to split our unity, and some of its representatives made their way to the VO and engaged in their ugly activities.
  41. Yaks
    0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: 2Log
    Quote: subbtin.725
    A good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president.

    Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.


    Do you think that he should provide daily information on the number of material sent there?
  42. +1
    5 2014 June
    Quote: Vladimirets
    That's right, this is our war and we are waging it. And a western screech indirectly confirms this.

    That's right! The article is a big plus from me! I am proud that I have a relationship with this country! It will be necessary - the whole nation will stand up and then look for the sc ... uki, the fifth corner! No Yankees will help the Nazis, they themselves will piss aside! We anyway, take our own, lucky with the people of Putin !!! And - Glory to Russia !!!
    1. -1
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Vyacheslav73
      It will be necessary - all the people will stand up and then look for ss ... uki, the fifth corner!

      Last year, terrorist attacks were in Volgograd three times in a row and that the people got up and carried everything and everything, no, if God forbid this happens in Belgorod or Kursk or Voronezh, there will be the same screams that we will tear everyone, just drink some beer and nothing in real life, however, it’s hateful because what is happening in Ukraine with the tolerance of the authorities that will come to Russia now
      1. +1
        5 2014 June
        So you, dear SAG, if you do not like Russia or its people, take your skis in your hands and look for another country ... there, discuss your "hatuskness". Well, or do it yourself ... Our children have more patriotism in our yard, than in your writings ... Although, you, apparently, or ... a pioneer is either ... I'm in my fifties and I know that rulers come and go, and the greatness of the country and pride are its people! what's what. As for beer, I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke, I go in for sports and don't throw words to the wind, as apparently you, dear SAG ... If necessary, I'll do it! , unlike all sorts of carbonated pisyuns, which can only shoot on the keyboard ... No offense, nothing personal, with Vyacheslav. And glory to Russia!
  43. Ev58
    0
    5 2014 June
    No one considered the USSR an invader when the theater of operations began to shift westward and the leg of a Soviet soldier set foot on the land of other countries. Today they forgot about it. They forgot that their nation could become slaves and exterminated in the furnaces and camps of the Nazis. The USA, pursuing its own interests of world domination, did not shun and will not shun any means. It is true that Russia has a strategic and economic interest in southeastern Ukraine. Armed groups and light weapons cannot be opposed to heavy weapons and the regular Army. In the format of international relations, the groups are militants, the invasion of the regular Army is aggression. And who craves the spread of neo-fascism? Ultimately, the neo-fascists, in the event of victory on either side, will be outlawed and destroyed. For them, these events in Ukraine are agony, since the gallows are not sweeter than the execution.
    1. +6
      5 2014 June
      But in the 90s, almost everyone declared about the Soviet occupation. All Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, etc. they hate us for our shared socialist past. Just stupid hatred right up to statements that it would be better to remain under the Germans, there would be order and not so "terrible life." Now, however, they are beginning to see clearly in some places. But the bad thing is that the saved generation itself is dying, history is being rewritten by everyone in their own way (just like in Ukraine) and liberation from fascism goes far ... We are indignant: the fascists in Ukraine. And they are proud of it, not hiding it.
  44. 0
    5 2014 June
    Well said. And the banshees seem to be announcing the death of the banderlogs. This is the main function of the banshee ...
  45. +1
    5 2014 June
    this morning there was a petition that was criticized - about the creation of a volunteer contingent through military enlistment offices: All the same, volunteers go, etc. In fact, with the involvement of the military registration and enlistment offices, some issues of our peaceful life could be resolved. Namely: without a salary, of course, but at least not quit work - so that the experience is preserved. Maybe the contingent shift - many (very!) Vacation would have used their own, but if you had to (wanted to) stay - the dismissal of the article is guaranteed. You can somehow solve this in tikhushnyak with us.
  46. -2
    5 2014 June
    Quote: Seraphimamur
    People help - it is. And what is power? Vaughn Putin in a recent interview said he was ready to cooperate with the new government of Ukraine. Is it with the Nazis?

    with "new" new! the government of ukraine. and the little pig is already the old government
  47. SLX
    SLX
    -4
    5 2014 June
    Quote: Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)
    Each such partial has its own war. Someone with a machine gun in a trench, someone with packing bandages in a border village. Who with a poster at the rally.


    But Roman Skomorokhov - not with a machine gun in the trench, not with packing bandages in a border village, not even with a poster at the rally. He is back in a comfortable computer chair
    sculpts another provocative little article that the citizens of Russia should, no, they are simply obligated, to participate in restoring order on the territory of a foreign state. And the garbage is that these Russian citizens will then return home in zinc coffins. And Roman Skomorokhov writes another article - already about the dead heroes ... Moreover, the author gives his personal opinion about the events in Ukraine as the right path for the Russian people. Well, and those who do not share his opinion - that one, the stump is clear, the enemy of the Russian state, Russian people and other, and other, and other.

    And who, for example, will then pay pensions crippled for the interests of others in Ukraine? And for what? Who will raise the remaining orphaned children? Left alone mothers? Maybe Skomorokhov Roman? Something I doubt it. And such questions are immeasurable.

    Therefore, it would be nice for Russian citizens who support such throaty commissars to finally turn on their brains and understand a simple thing - they have to figure it out themselves. And if they don’t want to understand it themselves — and there they don’t want to understand it — then there is nothing for the Russian citizens to do. Russia and we will accept refugees, feed, give us the opportunity to work and earn money, put quiet weapons and everything else (but within reasonable limits) there - and nothing more. And either the people of this state or the Russian army must deal with the fascist state. And no other way!
    1. dmb
      +5
      5 2014 June
      It is unlikely that Roman Skomorokhov will answer you, I will try for him. To begin with, I will say that I fully agree with the second paragraph of your comment. And from it comes the answer to Roman's article. Regarding the reception of refugees. Take an interest in the fate of Russian-speaking refugees from Chechnya. among other things the territory of Russia. There were about a million of them. Now there will be not one or two million. And again, candidates of science will clean the floors and metalworkers will sweep the yards. No, of course they should kiss our feet, because they survived. Regarding jogging with a gun, here you have eaten all of us. True, there is one "but". Should Levitan be severely condemned for the fact that he was not seen in a trench with a rifle near Moscow, or should we understand why Hitler considered him a personal enemy. The novel is certainly not Levitan, but some of his articles, in my opinion, are more useful than being in a trench without combat experience. Such fighters are usually more afraid of their own (lack of experience is just an assumption). But about the Russian army I completely agree with you. By the way, I fully admit that if, instead of withdrawing the troops, they were moved to the border, and declared that if the fire continued, the troops would cross it within 24 hours, then this might not be necessary. The very green papers, as well as the real estate acquired in someone else's name, which our "guardians for the country and the restorers of the Russian world" are so afraid of losing, do not give this.
      1. SLX
        SLX
        0
        5 2014 June
        Quote: dmb
        It is unlikely that Skomorokhov Roman will answer you


        It does not come down, so it does not matter. I expressed my opinion, it was read more than once, and not two. And the presence of not only minuses for my post, but also pluses, speaks for itself.

        Quote: dmb
        Take an interest in the fate of Russian-speaking refugees from Chechnya. Incidentally, the territory of Russia.


        That is why I look at cheap propaganda campaigns "Let's fight on the territory of Ukraine" from the bell tower of Professor Preobrazhensky "And let's finish singing hymns and start, finally, repairing our own sorting so that it doesn't stink."

        Quote: dmb
        The novel is certainly not Levitan, but some of his articles, in my opinion, are more useful than being in a trench without combat experience.


        Levitan Homeland served. In the place where his homeland put. And he served with dignity. And Roman first is engaged in agitation FOR, then he beeps that he does not understand anything, and then the cycle repeats again. And his calls for the participation of Russian citizens in other people's squabbles are pure commissarism and cheap campaigning, moreover, at the expense of others. I would go there, pick up a machine gun and campaign from there with a machine gun in my hands in between battles - then everything would be honest.

        Quote: dmb
        The same green papers, as well as the real estate acquired in someone else's name, which our "guardians for the country and the restorers of the Russian world" are so afraid of losing, do not give this.


        Yes, fullness. Where, for example, is this Putin’s overseas property and Putin’s famous billions? Yes, if they were, Obama would have rubbed his hands a long time ago, and the adversary newspapers were choked with debriefing for each penny found. And the very Crimea, falling into the arms of Russia, like a ripened fruit, not many politicians would pick up - the vast majority would simply be afraid ...

        There is a big politician, and there are rules of the game in this field. And one of these rules says that this is the territory of foreign states. Even independent republics, but the people of these republics did not want to join Russia. The people of these republics just want the Russians to come and do everything for them.
        1. dmb
          0
          5 2014 June
          There would be no price for your reasoning, do not you rip phrases out of context. Well, okay, you have to adjust. On points: 1. I didn't mean at all that the novel suffers from a snobbery. Disagreeing with him in many ways, I consider him a decent person, and I believe that he will not make excuses. 2. The call to clean up the sorting in one's own home does not make the fate of refugees easier and does not diminish their number. And in general, toilets are good to clean regardless of the international situation and not for the next elections. 3. It is not necessary to evaluate what is happening in the East from the point of view of relations between criminal gangs, that is, disassembly. As for the Motherland, I personally associate this concept least of all with Putin. Of course, the concept of citizenship from the point of view of effective managers is stupidity, but it seems to me that Roman has it, and you don't. I have already written about the value of an untrained fighter, I do not want to repeat myself. 4. I strongly doubt that you are one of Obama's bodyguards, and can firmly say that he did not rub his hands. Don't judge Americans on the basis of Zadornov's witticisms. Crimea, in particular. They were able to outplay when we were a thousand times stronger. This, as you put it, is the politician; Why adapt to a new politician, compromising evidence on which may be less effective, when you can keep the old one on the kukan, sometimes allowing him to "play naughty", well, at least so that the loyal subjects are not completely disappointed. Summary: the funniest thing is that you and Roman are actually talking about the same thing: power in virgin white underpants, pretending that it has nothing to do with weapons (your version, weapons and people (Roman's version) does not allow the conflict to go out. this is nothing, and the goals of the authorities least of all coincide with the goals of the people.
    2. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: SLX
      Quote: Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)
      Each such partial has its own war. Someone with a machine gun in a trench, someone with packing bandages in a border village. Who with a poster at the rally.


      Therefore, it would be nice for Russian citizens who support such throaty commissars to finally turn on their brains and understand a simple thing - they should figure it out for themselves


      There is one caveat! THERE is not Angola, but the Russian land where Russian people live, over whom the junta is already mocking as it wants. Yes, they are not organized and not efficient due to certain circumstances (although, I think, no more and no less than in any other Russian city). In general, the answer to the question whether TAM should figure it out for yourself, you can get from Russian volunteers who are fighting with the junta. Guess what they will answer?
      1. SLX
        SLX
        0
        5 2014 June
        Quote: Bully
        There is one caveat! THERE is not Angola, but the Russian land where Russian people live, over whom the junta is already mocking as it wants.


        One? Nothing that there is still international law, which believes that this so-called Is Russian land a territory of a foreign state? Want to live by the concepts? Then do not require the Kiev junta to live by law.

        Quote: Bully
        Yes, they are not organized and not efficient due to certain circumstances (although, I think, no more and no less than in any other Russian city).


        Therefore, should the citizens of Russia fight for them?

        Quote: Bully
        In general, the answer to the question whether TAM should figure it out for yourself, you can get from Russian volunteers who are fighting with the junta. Guess what they will answer?


        That they will answer today. So far, they have arms and legs, but no brains, or brains like that for such buffoons. Who themselves are sitting away, while others are campaigning. And when people do not have arms and legs, then hell they will live in retirement due to loss of health. And nobody will make them war veterans, because the state did not send them there. And they will be forgotten by the state and the buffoons, and you, and those who are actively voting in this thread. Swam, we know.

        Therefore, maybe one of those who want to fight for the interests of others will wake up the mind after reading my posts.
        1. 0
          5 2014 June
          Quote: SLX
          sculpts another provocative little article that the citizens of Russia should, no, they are simply obligated, to participate in restoring order on the territory of a foreign state.


          No, I will answer.
          You are a lying and mean creature. And boor.
          Not a word was written about this.

          And only one question: what did you do that should motivate me to keep a report to you?
          Who are you to judge what I'm doing?

          One difference: I express my opinion on my behalf. And you just hiding behind a faceless nickname are shitting on my head. But I didn’t worry about such eagles. Humble yourself.
    3. 0
      5 2014 June
      And the faceless Mr. Sylyks, as I understand it, in the trenches near Slavyansk?

      And, as I understand it, at least in such a rank that it is he who will issue pensions. Twice "ku", I did not recognize you.
  48. 0
    5 2014 June
    There is nothing to disclose the secret! To write such articles so that Ukrainians read and reproach us, of course, we do not give a damn about what they think, but still! fool
  49. +5
    5 2014 June
    Russians - free citizens of a free country - on a voluntary basis, at their own peril and risk - can fight for anyone, in accordance with their own convictions. Volunteers fought in Spain against the Nazis - so it is a good Russian tradition to wet the fascist nonsense.
  50. yurik
    +2
    5 2014 June
    The Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is first of all those who inhabit it. That is, we.
    The absolute truth is all the more so since this elite has already shown that they don’t give a damn about the mass deaths of civilians in Lunask, Slavyansk and Donetsk, and they don’t intend to stop the terror organized by the ukrofashists
  51. +3
    5 2014 June
    Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is, first of all, those who inhabit it. That is us.

    Literalism) - They also inhabit Russia, which means they are also Russia. There is no point in isolating controversial figures from Russia - it is a country where good and bad coexist, just like in other countries.
    And regarding the above-mentioned subjects, we still need to figure out who (what) is bad there and whether it is bad.
    Why not add, they say, Shoigu is not Russia? Oh, it suits me... The undesirables are not Russia?) Yes, she is all this, her children.

    I perfectly understood the main meaning of the article, I did not like this passage. In a writer's frenzy, the author grabbed too much)
  52. 0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: sarov 69
    Good day to all. I ask for help. I read this on my city website: Let's carefully consider the famous battle for the Donetsk airport. This is a very good example, revealing the essence and background of what is happening with the DNI and LC.

    Do you know why this fight took place at all? Because South Ossetians and Chechens came to Donetsk to help the Russian brothers, with good weapons (automatic grenade launchers, ZUshki, modern RPGs), and most importantly - with a desire to fight. And so they arrived - and what do they see? Some kind of muddy fuss and an incomprehensible expectation of something incomprehensible. There are a lot of military facilities and parts of Ukraine around - but no one is trying to take control of them, seize weapons, and so on. All the activities of the command of the "militias" boiled down to the fact that they built checkpoints around Donetsk and placed fighters with light weapons on them - and these fighters sit at checkpoints, shaking passing buses for money and morally decaying. There is no taking control of the territory of the Donetsk region, but behind-the-scenes raids with Kiev are taking place - to the point that the city councils of the DPR send loyal congratulations to Poroshenko on his election to the presidency. As HMagier aptly wrote - they say, "they are afraid that it will turn out sideways for them later."

    The newcomers began to have questions. And so that questions would no longer arise, the local authorities decided to merge the newcomers. Apparently, they agreed with Kiev and sent all active fighters to "occupy the airport." Well, they say you want to fight - that's your goal, fight. What was the military meaning of occupying and holding the airport - no one will explain to you, because the only meaning could have been if Russian airborne troops were waiting for the landing in Donetsk, which quite obviously could not be. In all other cases, it made no sense to occupy the airport and hold it. If it was necessary to prevent the landing of the dill aircraft, it was only necessary to block the runway with all kinds of scrap metal and not let it be removed. Or to lay charges on the runway and undermine the runway in several places - that would be enough to prevent the landing of aircraft, but helicopters will land anywhere, in the wasteland around Donetsk in bulk, they do not need an airport.

    That is why the occupation of the Ossetian-Chechen volunteers at the airport terminal, which is completely glass and shot through with missiles and air guns, and is far enough from residential areas so that it can be freely bombed into the state of Stalingrad and Homs without significant collateral losses of the civilian population - it was just a setup. And what followed - it is reliably proved.

    Therefore, by the way, the corpses of dead volunteers were sent to Russia not only without publicity, but even without the presence of the leadership of the DPR. Two people came from the whole leadership - Denis Pushilin (Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the DPR) and Alexander Borodai (Prime Minister of the DPR), each of whom was with his own guard and they did not even come to each other.

    Comrade HMagier was already amazed that out of the 120 thousandth Slavyansk, leading the hardest battles, it was necessary to send a group of militias to help the millionth of Donetsk. But I will reveal the secret - the sent group of Strelkov’s reliable fighters is the current guard of the Beard, with whom Strelkov is old friends. That is, the situation in the DPR is such that Borodai cannot trust any of the local Donetsk militia, and is forced to pull up non-local fighters from Strelkov, otherwise you may suddenly die.

    If there are people from Lugansk or Donetsk. Could this be? Sincerely.

    As I understand it, this is one of the opinions. But you and I can’t evaluate the battle for the airport based on our objectives; WE weren’t there. And the guys died.... This is war.
    1. sarov 69
      0
      5 2014 June
      So I ask you to answer my question - maybe this is true. Maybe there is someone from the LPR or DPR who has at least a minimum of information on the topic. I don’t think it’s that bad myself. NGO. Too many people died at the airport, but not a word about investigating and punishing the perpetrators. Why ? I don't think such losses are the norm. And I don’t think this can be attributed to the war. Sorry for the confusion, I'm not a great computer fighter.
  53. Palych9999
    0
    5 2014 June
    This mess in the east of the outskirts must be extended until the fall, which is what is being done.
    And then the “reforms” according to ABAMA’s list will bring everything to its logical conclusion.
  54. +2
    5 2014 June
    Actually, it’s a strange manner of drawing “global” conclusions based on one’s own conclusions and public speeches by Comrade Strelkov. How does the author know what the purpose of Strelkov’s speech was... and this is the key!
    About help to Russia. I have extreme doubts that it is currently comprehensive... Food and medicine are in short supply!!! What can we say about something else?
    1. 0
      5 2014 June
      You probably want to say that everything about Strelkov is chocolate, but what about the fact that he writes all this to avert his eyes?
  55. 0
    5 2014 June
    I wonder when the rest of the citizens of Ukraine will understand that they are being deceived and that things will only get worse ahead. Although patriotism will remain - blind.
  56. +2
    5 2014 June
    Gentlemen, members of the forum must understand that there are things that should never be spoken out loud under any circumstances, much less discussed publicly, enemies also know how to read and listen, a word out of the blue cannot be caught, therefore a careless statement will certainly play into the hands of the enemy, be careful and vigilant hi
  57. +1
    5 2014 June
    I’ll correct the author, since I’m a realist: “Russia is precisely Putin, Medvedev, Gazprom and Sberbank, and a bunch of other “Chubais”... They decide everything! And the people there, “below”, are preparing to receive new utility bills for the gas we supply to Dill for free...
  58. shalk
    +1
    5 2014 June
    Russians are helping the resistance to the Kyiv junta in Ukraine privately. Russia, as a state, led by the president, has withdrawn itself. We don’t abandon our own! Once again, the co-operation of our leadership will be paid for with a sea of ​​blood.
  59. +1
    5 2014 June
    Cleverly written article!
  60. goggies
    -16
    5 2014 June
    guys, you’re already tired of commenting on something you don’t know a damn about, your media will tell you and show you, and not just like your jelly said in the 90s, people EAT! what kind of militias are you talking about? This is mostly a rabble, not counting your mercenaries, so this rabble is engaged in armed robbery in broad daylight, and this is not just rumors, but how they support you together with the old moron Putin, look at Strelkov-Girkin’s appeals about the fact that at 4,5, There weren’t 1000 million residents of Donbass and XNUMX people willing to fight on the side of Russia, so draw conclusions and don’t stupidly eat all the information that the Kremlin throws at you and goodbye to the administrator of the baths, even if you don’t give a shit, on your site there are millions of ways to bathe for your health, don’t choke when Putin’s ass you will lick.......According to the press service of the Donetsk Main Directorate of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Donetsk region, in the Proletarsky district, attackers tracked down a Donetsk resident and attacked him in order to take possession of a car.

    A sales representative of a food production enterprise drove a personal Skoda 2011 car touring retail outlets. At 18.45, near one of the shops in the village of United, as soon as a 30-year-old man got behind the wheel, two unknown men approached him and, putting a Makarov pistol to his head, demanded to get out of the car. He hesitated and then heard the sound of a pistol being reloaded. At the same time, a third man wearing a mask and camouflage uniform sat in the rear passenger seat. He grabbed the young man by the neck and pulled him back from the driver's seat. Two accomplices sat in the front seats and moved away. They dropped the victim out of the car under the bridge and disappeared.

    Based on this fact, criminal proceedings have been opened under Part 3 of Article 289 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (illegal seizure of a vehicle combined with the threat of violence dangerous to the life or health of the victim). The sanction of the article provides for punishment in the form of imprisonment for a term of up to 12 years.

    The Kuibyshevsky district police department received a message that armed, masked unknowns came to the territory of the motor transport enterprise and took possession of two Iveco trucks, as well as Mercedes and Mitsubishi cars.

    During an inspection of the scene of the incident, police officers discovered and seized 4 cartridges of 5,45 mm caliber. Criminal proceedings have been opened under Part 3 of Article 289 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (illegal seizure of a vehicle combined with the threat of violence dangerous to the life or health of the victim). The sanction of the article provides for punishment in the form of imprisonment for a term of up to 12 years.

    Also, 6 robberies were committed in Donetsk per day.
    1. Rost_a
      0
      5 2014 June
      With approximately the same aplomb: your media will tell and show you a lot, have more faith.
      And I didn’t give a shit about someone’s opinion. I admit that there are cases of robbery and violence, this happens in any society. What exactly does the militia have to do with it? "Men in masks" = militia??? Provocateur.
    2. Djein
      0
      5 2014 June
      [quote=gogi]
      goggies

      Well, the FUCKING GOGS (judging by your moronic photo, very young), are the same FUCKING PEOPLE like YOU, living in the Donetsk region. ... they stole a car in the Proletarian district, taking advantage of the confusion of the events that were happening there ... and you, out of frustration that they got it and not you, decided to take this frustration out on the militias...
      ..NOLYU...You have the wrong address...They won’t sympathize with you in YOUR “trouble” here.....So share your experiences with those who made you so wretched...
  61. ed65b
    +1
    5 2014 June
    Do not forget, comrades, that the majority of the inhabitants of Ukraine did not serve. Is it that Russia, with one click, can, if desired, field a large number of thousands of trained fighters, and Novorossiya? There is no one to fight and Strelkov does not need meat. I saw training camps for replenishment; they exist, but they need to be trained, and this is not a day or a week, but a month at least. What KMB did they manage to go through in the army? how to sew shoulder straps and make the bed. And here you have to go to death, or rather not to death, but to come alive and win. Not all at once.
  62. yacht
    +1
    5 2014 June
    And I believe Strelkov, because he is on the front line and fighting, and who is Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)- an ordinary keyboard special forces soldier, sitting on the sofa at the computer, scribbles his conjectures, casually casting a shadow on Strelkov. And should we now take its exhaust as the ultimate truth?
    Does Russia help the South-East - it helps, but not enough - that's what we're talking about.
    Is it necessary to send troops? No, it’s not necessary, but even without this there are plenty of opportunities to strengthen support for the South-East.
  63. +1
    5 2014 June
    I gave the article and the author a minus, such articles give enemies a link to supposedly accomplished facts. And the entire “world democratic community,” with a desperate squeal, will cite your facts or fabrications as the absolute truth, confirmed by Russia’s “connection.” So, regarding your resume, you are a provocateur, grist to the mill of Our enemies.
    I have the honor.
  64. +3
    5 2014 June
    Comrades Jews! You are very smart!
    RUSSIA IS FIGHTING FOR THE SOUTHEAST OF UKRAINE, not you! You fight on TV channels and there you give “useful advice” to Igor Strelkov. Sooner or later, everything will end with two flank tank strikes, and you will end up with a very, very big “[s]ack” in which the entire Ukrainian army will sit... Fear God - after the actions of the Jewish Banderite Kolomiets, you would be better off keeping silent... wassat
  65. Vania
    +1
    5 2014 June
    tell me where to turn. I can’t sit quietly and watch the Slavs perish at the hands of the Nazis. I am 33 years old divorced.
  66. +2
    5 2014 June
    Quote: 2Log
    Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.


    Aha, especially you...How many hundreds of thousands did you transfer, how many Stingers did you buy and transfer? How much did Motorola buy and transfer? You speak on your own initiative.... Either you are a provocateur, or there is green snot hanging under your nose, there is no one to wipe it away. Don’t touch our President, you elected Parashkin - live with him.
  67. +5
    5 2014 June
    Quote: yurik
    The absolute truth is all the more so since this elite has already shown that they don’t give a damn about the mass deaths of civilians in Lunask, Slavyansk and Donetsk, and they don’t intend to stop the terror organized by the ukrofashists

    Oh, how I want Russia to start a war, even my patience has run out... Scroll through the papers without even thinking, you snotty provocateur... If you were alone, but dozens of you have already arrived... We know what and how, but you are not supposed to know... And it is not for you to teach us what to do... 30 Ukrainians are trampling under Slavyansk against 000-750 militias... Ate? What if the special forces really come? And I feel it will come..... Then the bridges in Kyiv may fall, and so, on little things - who will slip on a banana, who will be offended by a brick... Well, they drove me crazy.. At a Friend’s he died two days ago near Rubezhnoye son, three children left, together with a friend across the river they divided the water into sips.... A bitch came to his house, and he defended his house, and my wife and I will meet his family tomorrow at the airport, they are already in Rostov.... Let them live here free and Russian.
    1. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Santor
      .. Then the bridges in Kyiv can fall, and so, on little things - who slips on a banana, who is offended by a brick.

      TashkentKyiv - the city of bananas bread... laughing
    2. +2
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Santor
      A bitch came to his house, and he defended his house, and my wife and I will meet his family at the airport tomorrow, they are already in Rostov...

      hi
  68. 0
    5 2014 June
    I wonder what movements will happen after June 6, the meeting in Normandy. Or will Putin finally send Western hypocrites and massively transfer weapons, especially MANPADS and ATGMs, and “volunteers” Or will he falter?
  69. 0
    5 2014 June
    The politeness of the city takes over! If the GDP is silent as to whether our Polite people are there, then that’s how it should be! Judging by the news report from the front, there are many people there from Russia - and this is ALREADY good! Plus, we have to seriously believe that there is humanitarian, financial and other support from us. You understand, those who are shouting that the GDP has drained Novorossiya - if you hand it over, the same thing will happen here too! So Novorossiya is now Russia!
  70. 0
    5 2014 June
    Well, author, why are you ratting us out?
  71. 0
    5 2014 June
    Russia also has its own PMCs, you need permission and payment. In addition, for good money you can also find Erasers for war criminals. A couple of flyers, soak the rest to grow, then the sky will be clear.
  72. 0
    5 2014 June
    All militiamen would like helmets and body armor like this militia fighter on the territory of the captured border unit in Lugansk. There would be much less losses.
  73. +1
    5 2014 June
    Much is not clear and it’s impossible to put all the facts into one scenario.

    MANPADS are a one-piece product, and you can buy several dozen arrows on the black market?
    The ATGM is also clearly from our warehouses.
    So we’re helping, they didn’t leak it.

    The withdrawal of our troops from the borders of Ukraine, which they and their masters insisted on with foam at the mouth, made it possible to concentrate the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces against the DPR and LPR. If we had kept strike groups of our armed forces against the border along its entire perimeter, there’s no way they would have left Kharkov uncovered.
    So we’re not helping, they’ve leaked it.

    There are enough such contradictions.

    Conclusion?

    I don't have it.

    Maybe someone knows?
  74. Sasspy
    +1
    5 2014 June
    I don’t understand something - in 2008 troops were brought into Ossetia (they were also afraid (SALI) of the West). Although our peacekeepers were there (a weak excuse) - Moreover, the USA was directly present there....And there were no RUSSIANS THERE!!! NOW OUR RUSSIAN SPEAKING BROTHERS AND SISTERS are dying!!! There is an excuse - like economic sanctions... LET'S REMEMBER the 41st - 45th even the 91st!!!! People knew that it was necessary to DESTROY FASCISM or the death of slavery... Now the COMMON PEOPLE DOES NOT GET FAT AND IS ALSO ready to undergo hardships so as not to miss fascism (that’s why Putin has such a high rating) Conclusion - We also have our own oligarchs, JUST in the Chechen
  75. 0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: Arberes
    Quote: Vladimirets
    That's right, this is our war and we are waging it.
    Of course we are and will be, just another is not given.

    Quote: jjj
    There are really so many volunteers from Russia who want to help New Russia that they have to artificially restrain the flow so as not to burn

    Volunteers and specialists are good, but all of us (I certainly did) noticed how the Ukrainian army reluctantly, with a great creak, was drawn into the millstones of military operations. The flywheel of war is spinning with inevitable force. Aviation of the Ukrainian Air Force is no longer shy about bombing everything and everyone, artillery and tanks are hitting both the militias and residential areas, for another week and will the "Grads" start working on the squares?
    Whoever said that, but the army of Ukraine, is the army bad or good, but it is a force that cannot be ignored! The onslaught of this iron is increasing every day and every hour and to keep the situation under control with the help of volunteers and light weapons is simply not a success it is a matter of time!
    There is less and less time for reflection, soon you will have to make some kind of decision that will radically change the balance of power or, at worst, equalize the chances of the warring parties.
    Will we accept it or not? That is the main question!

    you are absolutely right .. but they won’t have time to do anything before the inauguration, and then after it the responsibility will already lie with PARASHENKO
  76. Leshka
    0
    5 2014 June
    and when the T-90 and KA-52 appear there, we’ll say it’s not ours either laughing
  77. Military79
    0
    5 2014 June
    I don’t understand, but for some reason in the center of the militia lies the “Cossack Gavrilyuk” from the Maidan, the one who allegedly stripped the “Berkut”. What’s the joke?
  78. 0
    5 2014 June
    Gentlemen, apparently you have forgotten or do not want to remember that very close to Slavyansk there are huge warehouses, in old salt mines, where hundreds of thousands of guns from the times of the Patriotic War are stored. Hence Strelok’s fighters had anti-tank rifles and PPSh. And the only Nona and 6 BMD were captured from Ukrov when they were simply disarmed. And according to the analysis of the passport data of the killed, 90/ Ukrainians. So there is no need to exaggerate the “RUSSIAN” presence in the SE. And the passivity of the population is incomprehensible. Will they really not be touched if the Banderlogs come - they are naive.
    1. often
      0
      6 2014 June
      If they had taken a mine with weapons, then there would have been a massive use by the militias in Slavyansk of heavy-caliber DShK machine guns and PTRD anti-tank rifles... but they are not there, which means the mine garrison is too tough for the militias. What glows in the photo is taken from museums, private collections, criminal gangs, black archaeologists.

      If we are talking about MANPADS, then they are a hundred pounds from military warehouses in Western Ukraine, which were robbed during the turmoil of the Maidan. If the militia had a lot of them, they wouldn’t carefully choose positions and moments to hit the target 100%.
      About ZPU-2, ZPU-1, ZU-2, ZU-23 - they were captured in battle, but they were taken from military departments.
  79. Crang
    +1
    5 2014 June
    Why is everyone so homesick for the USSR? How good it is to feel like the most powerful in the world. All these armadas of tanks, planes, missile batteries. All these great guys in military uniform and with weapons. Strength and goodness are behind us. Let it always be like this.
  80. 0
    5 2014 June
    It would be better if T-90s appeared there than T-92s
  81. 0
    5 2014 June
    Q.E.D...
  82. stranik72
    0
    5 2014 June
    Let's see, I think what we are doing for Novorossiya from the position of the state is very, very little, I'm not talking about sending troops, I'm talking about something else. But that’s not the point, if we really want victory (or at least help our people stay alive, there in Novorossiya), let’s help them, there are a lot of serious sites on the Internet from the newspaper Zavtra to the official website for the protection of children, there are bills and a lot of other proposals , don't turn away. In order to win in 1945, our leader in that terrible war was helped to say the great words “OUR CASE IS RIGHT, VICTORY WILL BE US”, the Soviet people, the PEOPLE, the leader knew that the people would not be afraid, and in 1945 he raised a toast TO THE GREAT RUSSIAN PEOPLE, as recognition of this fact. Today we have a leader at the top who is as close to Stalin as the moon. BUT WE ARE RUSSIAN PEOPLE, so will we abandon our own or not. The defeat of Novorossiya will not be a defeat of the GDP, it will be a defeat of the Russians, and this will be clear to everyone, both friends and foes, so to live or die is actually the choice of the future for all of us.
  83. -1
    5 2014 June
    Maybe stop whining about the fact that RUSSIA is draining the southeast of Ukraine!
    Do you all want world carnage? Called WORLD WAR THIRD?
    Putin already does everything - to help the Slavs, our brothers. Now the world government is blaming all its mistakes on RUSSIA. We get up from our knees to our feet, but they don’t like it. We don't dance to their tune.
    The Americans and the weakling Merkel are squealing like a half-baked woman. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE NEGRETENA AND THE UNFORTUNATE fascist - DID YOU WANT FASCISM? GET IT! And now you can’t cope with anything - and they’re talking all sorts of nonsense about Russia.
  84. bda
    bda
    0
    5 2014 June
    Vladimir Soloviev - Letter from Ukraine. Zombie people

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-K706TW_Y2g


    If there is an opportunity, by any means, to snatch at least “East Prussia” (Donbass) from this “Fascist Germany of the 21st century” (Ukria), which is still in its infancy, then it must be done. Because this means that when we do have to “collide head-on” (and we won’t get away from this - this fascist Ukraine was not created for that, so that it would leave us alone) - this Donbass (after brainwashing in in the opposite direction) - will be with us, not with them.
    Another question is what is the best way to do this: sending in troops, sending in volunteers, sending in mercenaries, supplying weapons, a no-fly zone, etc. (in some combinations) - this is not an easy task for the “military-political leadership”.
    The massive deployment of troops (to the borders of Bandero-Rogulia) is the problem, what is wrong is not that “the whole people of dill will rise as one and join the partisans,” but that our office-sofa plankton is also brainwashed by the liberal press “God forbid” “and if any troubles begin related to the deployment of troops, sanctions (God forbid - shopping in the geyropa will be under threat!) - so this white-ribbon horde here in Moscow is such a Maidan to them. Tsukerman (on Sakharov Avenue) may be satisfied that troops will have to be removed from Ukarina. In total, the situation is stalemate: they (yet) do not have an army, but there are “crowds of Svidomo zombies,” and we have an army, but in its rear (for now -?) are consumer consumers, to whom the entire “Russian world” is an empty phrase, but the opportunity to “go to the Canary Islands” is sacred.
    What should they do? - they know (if they don’t know, the owners from overseas will give instructions).
    What should we do? - to restore order in the heads, precisely in which, as Professor Preobrazhensky used to say, devastation occurs.

    P.S.: And about “backward brainwashing” - I recently came across material about one very successful example of this kind.
    Now we are celebrating 25 years since the events on the Square. Tiananmen in Beijing. When the Chinese authorities, after much hesitation, nevertheless decided to disperse this “Maidan”, missed by the local Gorby, the entire population of huge Beijing, zombified by the local liberals (there was a local Zuckerman-Sakharov there too) squealed: “A-a-a-a-a "Ah! Soldiers are killing our children!"
    But, just two years later, after a well-constructed propaganda campaign (built, by the way, on the example of the collapse of the USSR - look, they say, what happens when liberals are not killed) - the entire population of huge Beijing was chanting: “Glory to the Chinese people’s army, which crushed the bedbugs -traitors!" (And the “Chinese Sakharov” - astrophysicist Fang Lizhi fled to the American embassy, ​​from where a year later he was secretly taken to the USA, where he already died. And there are no prospectuses in his honor in Beijing.)
  85. +1
    5 2014 June
    Quote: bda
    Vladimir Soloviev - Letter from Ukraine. Zombie people

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-K706TW_Y2g


    If there is an opportunity, by any means, to snatch at least “East Prussia” (Donbass) from this “Fascist Germany of the 21st century” (Ukria), which is still in its infancy, then it must be done. Because this means that when we do have to “collide head-on” (and we won’t get away from this - this fascist Ukraine was not created for that, so that it would leave us alone) - this Donbass (after brainwashing in in the opposite direction) - will be with us, not with them.
    Another question is what is the best way to do this: sending in troops, sending in volunteers, sending in mercenaries, supplying weapons, a no-fly zone, etc. (in some combinations) - this is not an easy task for the “military-political leadership”.
    The massive deployment of troops (to the borders of Bandero-Rogulia) is the problem, what is wrong is not that “the whole people of dill will rise as one and join the partisans,” but that our office-sofa plankton is also brainwashed by the liberal press “God forbid” “and if any troubles begin related to the deployment of troops, sanctions (God forbid - shopping in the geyropa will be under threat!) - so this white-ribbon horde here in Moscow is such a Maidan to them. Tsukerman (on Sakharov Avenue) may be satisfied that troops will have to be removed from Ukarina. In total, the situation is stalemate: they (yet) do not have an army, but there are “crowds of Svidomo zombies,” and we have an army, but in its rear (for now -?) are consumer consumers, to whom the entire “Russian world” is an empty phrase, but the opportunity to “go to the Canary Islands” is sacred.
    What should they do? - they know (if they don’t know, the owners from overseas will give instructions).
    What should we do? - to restore order in the heads, precisely in which, as Professor Preobrazhensky used to say, devastation occurs.

    P.S.: And about “backward brainwashing” - I recently came across material about one very successful example of this kind.
    Now we are celebrating 25 years since the events on the Square. Tiananmen in Beijing. When the Chinese authorities, after much hesitation, nevertheless decided to disperse this “Maidan”, missed by the local Gorby, the entire population of huge Beijing, zombified by the local liberals (there was a local Zuckerman-Sakharov there too) squealed: “A-a-a-a-a "Ah! Soldiers are killing our children!"
    But, just two years later, after a well-constructed propaganda campaign (built, by the way, on the example of the collapse of the USSR - look, they say, what happens when liberals are not killed) - the entire population of huge Beijing was chanting: “Glory to the Chinese people’s army, which crushed the bedbugs -traitors!" (And the “Chinese Sakharov” - astrophysicist Fang Lizhi fled to the American embassy, ​​from where a year later he was secretly taken to the USA, where he already died. And there are no prospectuses in his honor in Beijing.)

    Don’t write nonsense after Putin did not surrender Abkhazia, Ossetia in 2008, now Crimea, Syria, after Chechnya, the Kuril Islands and the Far East. Russia has everything. And the lousy Maidan - traitors - the Russians themselves will come out and trample.
  86. +5
    5 2014 June
    Quote: 2Log
    Quote: subbtin.725
    A good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president.

    Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.

    Don't shout about such things bully
  87. 0
    5 2014 June
    June 5, 21:29 itar-tass:
    “Representatives of the people’s militia of Slavyansk (Donetsk region) shot down a Ukrainian Air Force helicopter. This was reported by the Novorossiya agency with reference to the command of the militia.
    According to him, the Mi-8 helicopter was damaged by rifle and machine-gun fire and crash-landed."
    Apparently they fall on their own...
    And one more thing: Air defense forces (Iskander) are conducting exercises in Komi. The exercises were successful.
    At the same time, the news flashed: The second military plane in a day crashed in the United States.
    Nice coincidence.
  88. +3
    5 2014 June
    good
    GDP is absolutely right!
  89. 0
    5 2014 June
    This is a war, a war for Russia! It’s a pity that this didn’t happen in Serbia, but it’s better late... It should have happened, it just so happened that it happened in Ukraine, and could also have happened in the Baltics, Transnistria...
  90. 0
    5 2014 June
    The army is starting to bomb near our border. And if a random shell falls on our side and God forbid it hits someone. After all, the distance between the border posts is nothing, and the accuracy and accuracy of the warriors was not up to par before.
    1. 0
      6 2014 June
      Quote: Winged 38
      . And if a random shell falls on our side and God forbid it hits someone.

      In 39, something similar ended badly for Finland.
  91. 0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: Winged 38
    The army is starting to bomb near our border. And if a random shell falls on our side and God forbid it hits someone. After all, the distance between the border posts is nothing, and the accuracy and accuracy of the warriors was not up to par before.

    And for this purpose, there is air defense, so that shells do not fly to us.
    1. 0
      6 2014 June
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      And for this purpose, there is air defense, so that shells do not fly to us.

      I know about missile defense as a type of air defense, but I don’t know about PSO, can you share the information?!
  92. 0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: 2Log
    Quote: subbtin.725
    A good article; this is our war. And the GDP does the right thing that denies everything; we remember the past place of work of our president.

    Your GDP is just silent in a rag, that's all his help. Real help is given only by ordinary people of Russia on their own initiative.



    Well 2Log you are a smart guy. How come VVP didn’t consult with you, didn’t report to you about his plans and actions. This is a big mistake on his part.
  93. 0
    5 2014 June
    The article is probably correct. But in search engines the title of this article will appear that Russia is at war. There is an information war going on. And this article will completely help the enemy to capture another convenient ideological position.
  94. 0
    5 2014 June
    Quote: coolvoldik
    But it doesn't seem strange to you that our war and our interests (the People of Russia) do not coincide with the interests of the state.
    The Russians. Citizens of Russia. Russian people. That is Russia. Because Russia is not Putin and Medvedev. Not Gazprom and Sberbank. Russia is first of all those who inhabit it. That is, we.

    Or maybe it’s just that the president, as the guarantor of the constitution, which was not written by us, cannot act differently. Maybe it’s time to edit it?
  95. 0
    5 2014 June
    04.06.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX S.E. Kurginyan made a statement that the best solution in the current situation would be direct intervention of the Russian Federation in events in the South-East. Russia annexed Crimea and does not have the right to give Donbass to the Kyiv punitive forces; this cannot be allowed under any circumstances! Russia, and only Russia, is responsible for Donbass. The gang called the “world community” understands this very well, setting the Kyiv punitive forces against the Donbass. It was also said that if the Russian Federation does not now repel Bandera’s supporters in the South-East, then next year all this will appear in Russia. It was also said that Russian legislators should immediately pass a law allowing volunteers - citizens of the Russian Federation - to legally participate in the defense of Novorossiya.
  96. 0
    6 2014 June
    Hahahahahaaaa. Autor five!)))) It is unrealistic to buy a barrel in Ukraine))))) ... Fuuh ...))) Further did not read ....
  97. 0
    6 2014 June
    Journalists should show less of the faces of those who dared to fight for truth on Ukrainian soil... soldier hi
  98. +1
    6 2014 June
    There is life, and there is politics. Let the politicians deal with it, and they should plan everything so thoughtfully, so that we can all do what we see fit, we won’t have to pay anything for it, and even “everything will be according to the law.” Putin gave quadre blanche from day one. He said that there are no Russian troops there, and the fact that individual citizens may be there is beyond his control. They can be anywhere. Hint understood.
  99. 0
    6 2014 June
    Am I the only one who thinks that our guys have new machine guns in the photo?
  100. 0
    6 2014 June
    Quote: zavesa01
    Quote: alleksSalut4507
    in this picture I recognized my brother. only it is not "east", but "west" - film teaching ...

    Well, you don’t need to troll. laughing He has a St. George ribbon on the chevron. feel
    And on airsoft players they did not like the simulators of MANPADS netuti. lol



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"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"