A military expert called the Ukrainian BTR "coffin on wheels"

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Numerous peacekeeping missions in which our military took and take part vividly confirmed: armored vehicles, which the Ukrainian army is armed with today, are far from the best option to participate in modern local conflicts, in particular, during the so-called. stabilization operations (ATO). About it on the page on Facebook wrote the head of public group "Information Resistance" Dmitry Tymchuk.

"First of all, because the Soviet armored personnel carriers BTR-80 and the armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicles of the BRDM-2, which are in service with the Ukrainian security forces (there is no other alternative in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the BTR-70 and the BRDM-1 lose earlier in all parameters in all parameters ) created to perform completely different tasks ", - said Tymchuk.

According to him, the only advantage of the BTR-80 armored personnel carrier for hot climate conditions during peacekeeping operations, for example, in Africa is the V-shaped eight-cylinder diesel engine KAMAZ-7403 with liquid-cooled and turbo-compressor supercharged. It behaves at high temperature much better than carburetor "engines".

“However, the“ patrimony ”of the BTR is a field,“ operational space. ”It is simply unsuitable for patrolling in populated areas. Large size and absolutely insufficient view from the cab, as well as the absence of a serious modern mine protection bottom, often make it a“ coffin on wheels ” - said the expert.

However, according to Tymchuk, the armored vehicles Dozor-B of Kharkov production are much better suited for ATO. “Many years ago it became clear that Ukrainian security forces need more modern armored vehicles. While Ukraine has designs of armored vehicles (and Dozor-B, developed by the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau in the 2005 year (!), Among them) which are suitable for stabilization operations much more than military equipment of the Cold War.

“As for the combat armored vehicle (BBM) Dozor-B, Ukraine’s disgrace was that Ukrainian developers, not finding use of this car in their own country, were forced to sell a license to manufacture it to foreign manufacturers. In particular, as you know, In early September, 2013 in the Polish city of Kielce, the International Exhibition of Defense Industry Products MSPO 2013 Kielce Fairground paid particular attention to the Polish public just Dozor-B, represented by the state foreign trade and investment firm Ukrinmash (included in the state concern "Ukroboronprom"), - he said.


Photo: Facebook Arsen Avakov


"In terms of the concept of launching into production of modern Ukrainian BBM, I would pay attention to another detail. Namely, that Dozor-B can be equipped with a European-made IVECO 8142.38.11 or DEUTZ BF 4M 1013 FC engines as a power plant ... Of course, it’s great. But the problem in finding funds for mass production of Ukrainian BBM and promoting them on the foreign market. Whereas participation in the production of EU manufacturers solves this problem, ”the expert believes.
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  1. +12
    4 2014 June
    The machine is not outstanding ... the only plus that is developed independently ... I see no reason for euphoria ..
    1. +2
      4 2014 June
      Is it developed independently?
      1. +6
        4 2014 June
        Any doubts? Morozov Design Bureau, 2005. They do it then, like two fingers ...
        1. 0
          4 2014 June
          there was information that Watch B was a copy of the Turkish Cobra car.
          I can’t attach a photo of the Cobra, but they really look alike.
          1. 0
            4 2014 June
            If you compare the history and schools of tank building in Ukraine and Turkey ....
            Let's just say that at one time the best tanks in the world were developed precisely in Kharkov. And Turkey, it is Turkey. And the inhabitants there are Turks.
            Therefore, if anyone has smuggled it, then these are Turks.
            1. +1
              4 2014 June
              OTOCAR COBRA adopted in the 1997 year!
    2. +9
      4 2014 June
      One gets the impression that the expert is simply lobbying for the interests of the bureau to them. Morozov, they want to fuck a contract under the guise of ...
      Dozor-B Kharkov production is much better suited for ATO
      they want to fuck money on the blood of the people!
      1. +6
        4 2014 June
        Ukrainian armored personnel carrier "a coffin on wheels"

        as patriots in SLAVYANSK do not have enough, at least such "coffins" on wheels !!!!
      2. +3
        4 2014 June
        Quote: Patton5
        One gets the impression that the expert is simply lobbying for the interests of the bureau

        No, this "shitiksperd in kasge", as the adequate inhabitants of the Ruins call him, is one of the main mouthpieces of the information war in the East, Avakyan's friend.
      3. +4
        4 2014 June
        Quote: Patton5
        One gets the impression that the expert is simply lobbying for the interests of the bureau to them. Morozov, they want to fuck a contract under the guise of ...
        Dozor-B Kharkov production is much better suited for ATO
        they want to fuck money on the blood of the people!

        there will simply be fewer crews ... better!
      4. +3
        4 2014 June
        Dmitry Tymchuk, about the journalist who was paid by the State Department! Reading it, you need to divide everything by 100! If desired, he can easily turn everything from "head to feet"! Reading his opuses, one marvels at his incompetence in almost all military matters. Or maybe he thinks so! Bo basically his articles go to the yellow press of Ukraine, for the Seluk!
      5. 0
        4 2014 June
        I also do not understand this hidden advertisement at the moment. The article would have looked organically on the junta site.
    3. +2
      4 2014 June
      Quote: domokl
      . I see no reason for euphoria ..

      You probably just did not make out the signature under the photo!
      Photo: Facebook Arsen Avakov

      And what are you talking about
      Quote: domokl
      plus that is developed independently.

      They themselves do not want to do it and cannot
      Whereas the participation of EU producers in production solves this problem, "the expert believes.

      Yes! There really is no reason for euphoria! One sadness!
    4. 0
      5 2014 June
      It is very similar to the Turkish machine that the comrade Georgia used in Ossetia.
      He was censored to discuss this article. Our Tiger was dazzled from all sides, and such cuttlefish sang such praises, as if all ukramii had them armed. It was funny and nasty at the same time.
  2. +5
    4 2014 June
    it’s good for us that the Ukrainian army was plundered and squandered, it is easier for militias to fight with it.
  3. +15
    4 2014 June
    I read it twice. I never found an offer where the military expert called the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier, `` a coffin on wheels. ''
    1. Alex 241
      +6
      4 2014 June
      Quote: perepilka
      I read it twice.

      Volodya hi. How do you like this pearl?
      1. +3
        4 2014 June
        Quote: Alex 241
        Volodya hi. How do you like this pearl?

        Hi Sanya!
        What did they do them with? belay Was they removed from the camera, or crossed out with a fountain pen? what
        1. Alex 241
          +3
          4 2014 June
          Maybe with a flash! In the sky, lightning flashed, Beter gave me something!
          1. +1
            4 2014 June
            Quote: Alex 241
            Maybe a flash!

            what Maybe a flash. A rumor has passed that he donated a powder, a foil from chocolates for booking new bets, so throw, even a flash, even a microphone, breaks through equally new armor request
        2. +1
          4 2014 June
          Quote: perepilka
          What did they do them with?

          file deleted from flash drive
        3. 0
          4 2014 June
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  4. +3
    4 2014 June
    The Ukrainians profiled the time provided to them by history, did not create anything new, because they are used to having everything for free, all Soviet weapons are outdated, and now they have what they have. Yes, they ask the mattresses to throw weapons, again, for free.
  5. +3
    4 2014 June
    Yes, it’s us who cares about their technology, they want to fight in coffins on wheels, let them fight, by the way they go to hell.
    1. 0
      4 2014 June
      Not, well, if the engine is good, they’ll get there faster ...
  6. +10
    4 2014 June
    Somewhere a year ago there was an article with a video about this "Patrol". The car turned out not to be crooked - while the rear overhang is too big, on a wavy road it swings heavily. In general, the same r ..... as for Georgians. To develop from scratch on your own yet does not mean that "ahead of the rest of the world" - as well as to sell to the Poles - I am still under the "impression" of their "future" tank.
    1. 52
      +1
      4 2014 June
      This is true, pacerkampfvagen is still a child prodigy, I generally didn’t at first taste that it was a documentary video, I thought it was shooting a new fantastic action movie! wassat
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  8. +4
    4 2014 June
    It is necessary to check in combat conditions, and then argue that it is better, that is worse. In conditions of urban battle and a tank, the coffin on the tracks if the motorized rifle does not help the round-robin. Wisely, any technique used is dangerous for the enemy, since the presence of weaknesses is due to the existing strengths.
  9. +6
    4 2014 June
    A coffin is not a coffin, but it is better to roll tea than on "folk art" ...
    "Folk art"

    not finding the use of this machine in their country, they were forced to sell the license for its production to foreign manufacturers ...
    - maybe it's not about the "not found application" but in the absence of money from Independent, like the Russian Federation in the 90s? what
    1. 0
      4 2014 June
      And again, these experts .. Those who didn’t make a march of intersection throws will not appreciate the indispensability of an armored personnel carrier of any year of production, at least 60, and then glory to the eggs. On this platform, a dozen varieties of special vehicles are produced, and each of them can lift a compartment on board (perched on armor). Mobility of battle groups, not weak fire support - this sometimes makes 80% success in solving a narrow tactical task. And if you hide in the folds of the terrain (any gully, and even a bulk shaft by one and a half meters) makes this box a good firing point of enhanced protection. What does this have to do with it. which can dramatically relocate or provide transportation of the 300s. Go do it on a cobra, which is for completely different (police) tasks. It used to happen that Bather, perforated like a sieve on half of the wheels, came to the base quite normally. And often it happened, he was still dragging the floor of the three hundredth branch. They compared it with a finger, I swear, experts .. I have not yet talked about the zoo and similar machines, this is generally a separate topic for discussion.
  10. +8
    4 2014 June
    The more RPGs the warriors have, the less the role of armored vehicles as a means of warfare.
  11. IGS
    +3
    4 2014 June
    Photo: Facebook Arsen Avakov
    Currently, the issue of acquiring combat armored vehicles (BBM) for the National Guard of Ukraine of the Kharkov development watch is being discussed, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said on his Facebook page.
    A real combat n ..., reflects on what is better to kill civilians?
  12. +3
    4 2014 June
    The machine is designed to confront civilians in a military conflict with serious weapons, as was said - a coffin ......
  13. +3
    4 2014 June
    Yes, all the APCs burn well. Militiamen need more weapons!



    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/108/qnls341.jpg
  14. Nikolav
    +3
    4 2014 June
    They found an expert. That psaki, that Tymchuk is all the same. The state after a lobectomy is the most suitable definition for them.
  15. +3
    4 2014 June
    Does Pan Poroshenko want to make a fiery speech in Donetsk from the side of this "armored car"? Aki Lenin in 1917 at the Finland Station ...
    1. avt
      +4
      4 2014 June
      Quote: Altona
      Does Pan Poroshenko want to make a fiery speech in Donetsk from the side of this "armored car"? Aki Lenin in 1917 at the Finland Station ...

      Blinnn !!!! Well, why did you need to write this!? Now, apart from gas, when the armored car for Parasha is done, we will be required to return Finland Station along with Crimea. laughing
      1. +4
        4 2014 June
        Quote: avt
        Finland Station will be required to return with Crimea

        I propose a hut in Razliv - it’s more fair ... laughing
        1. avt
          +3
          4 2014 June
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          I propose a hut in Razliv - it’s more fair ...

          Nah! Maximum - spill in the hut.
  16. +1
    4 2014 June
    eggs always interfere with a bad dancer, either their own or their partner
  17. +3
    4 2014 June
    This is a BA-64 with an imported engine. Dill themselves even dropped a fat recipe.
  18. 0
    4 2014 June
    In the best case, for Khokhlomaidans, it will all end with the transfer of written-off, etc. APCs in the form of IMF loans. And then, most likely they will give out credit with dry rations and blankets with tents. And they themselves will make a couple of KhokhloBTRs and show on all channels.
  19. Nikolav
    0
    4 2014 June
    Yes, let’s build. Anyway, if they are not burned, they will be driven into Upper Volta.
  20. pravda2014s
    0
    4 2014 June
    From a military point of view, without politics - an armored personnel carrier is an armored personnel carrier, it is intended only for the transport of soldiers and goods. It is not intended for the advanced and can be used as fire support, no more. Since booking a car is very weak. Against heavy machine guns and grenade launchers, he can not resist
  21. +5
    4 2014 June
    Personally, I am generally an opponent of any "armored vehicles", and it is not for nothing that they were abandoned everywhere immediately after the Second World War, where they burned like candles from the first shot from any gun or ATR. They were destroyed even by fire from a 12,7 mm machine gun. With the advent of the grenade launcher, any of them, as well as the wheeled armored personnel carrier, are truly "coffins on wheels." What do you want? After all, they are just bulletproof booking! And you can't put heavier armor, the wheel propeller does not allow, it will turn out to be too heavy, it will get stuck not only in our Russian mud, but also in the Arabian sand. Therefore, all these armored vehicles are self-deception for the soldier, that there is some kind of protection under which you can hide from enemy fire. Or a war against the civilian population, so to speak, the execution of punitive-police functions, and then, modern tear-off-heads will quickly pour such a car in the crowd with gasoline and set it on fire. It is necessary to create a real heavily armored vehicle capable of withstanding both the impact of a projectile and an ATGM, with powerful mine protection, which, according to rumors, is being done at Uralvagonzavod. A soldier is dear now, it costs a pretty penny to teach him how to fight with the use of modern weapons, it's not like making him run into an attack with a rifle: hurray, hurray ..., women will give birth to new ones. It's time to move away from the old stereotypes of warfare.
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    2. 0
      4 2014 June
      any armored personnel carrier initially has one task .. it is DELIVERY of a military vehicle to the battlefield and support for advancing with its fire ... everything else is from the evil one .. in all other cases it’s coffins on wheels ... especially in settlements .. and it’s ukrovoyaki demonstrate their combat training ... http: //www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/62648077765479-1 here no armored personnel carrier will save
  22. +4
    4 2014 June
    We have the same APCs, in service.
  23. +2
    4 2014 June
    With the advent of komulative ammunition, all light equipment became "collective coffins" and in terms of protection of l / s has long been outdated! Even in Afghanistan, people went "on armor". The National Guard Square didn’t see our cinema! But in vain!
  24. +1
    4 2014 June
    Well, Russia is designing a new armored personnel carrier, and in the city of armored personnel carriers it is a means of fire support, because a 30mm gun is a powerful argument.
  25. ran nearby
    +1
    4 2014 June
    SHOTO this "new" mafinka strongly resembles the old French one, on which the Georgians tried to fight in Ossetia.
  26. 0
    4 2014 June
    Personally, I am generally an opponent of any "armored vehicles", and it is not for nothing that they were abandoned everywhere right after the Second World War, where they burned like candles from the first shot from any gun or ATGM. They were destroyed even by fire from 12,7 mm


    I can’t agree with you, in Syria and Libya, the rebels are installing KK machine guns on Toyota, with self-made reservation, and more often without it. Modern version of the tachanka. Use on open spaces has shown its effectiveness. This device will be steeper than self-made carts.
    For urban databases, of course, it is weak, but even in these conditions, the calculation is protected from snipers and small arms, and weapons do not carry humps.
    Without support in the city, tanks are not a panacea either
  27. kshifs
    +1
    4 2014 June
    well Putin hold on !! with such weapons, dill is doomed to a break !! )))
  28. +1
    4 2014 June
    Dozor-B
    so understood the analogue, or rather the antipode of our "Tiger" ...
  29. +3
    4 2014 June
    Everything is new, well-forgotten old ... it seems to me one "face" ... (BA-64 - Soviet light armored car of 1942).
  30. +1
    4 2014 June
    At the same time, according to Tymchuk, Dozor-B armored vehicles of Kharkov production are much better suited for ATO.


    Yes, this car should not be called "Patrol", but "Shame". And in the picture is the Turkish armored personnel carrier Atrep. Now look at the wunderwaffe of dill (photo in the article), aren't they similar. You can safely say that the "shame" was ripped off the Turkish armored personnel carrier, if the Turks did not rip off theirs from someone else.
    1. 0
      4 2014 June
      The French have a VBL armored car, which was still going to be purchased by our Ministry of Internal Affairs. The same principle.
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  32. 0
    4 2014 June
    Quote: vorchyn_ymka
    any armored personnel carrier initially has one task .. it is DELIVERY of a military vehicle to the battlefield and support for advancing with its fire ... everything else is from the evil one .. in all other cases it’s coffins on wheels ... especially in settlements .. and it’s ukrovoyaki demonstrate their combat training ... http: //www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/62648077765479-1 here no armored personnel carrier will save
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=p7QOMnsUdG0
  33. w2000
    0
    5 2014 June
    Such "experts" cost 5 shekels per market day.

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