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Media: Putin vainly admired the T-50 fighter - he was shown the plane with the old stuffing

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Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, when he visited the Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) on Thursday, located in Zhukovsky near Moscow, hurried with praises (see below the article "Putin was shown the flight of a fighter with artificial intelligence in Zhukovsky") a fighter of a new fifth-generation combat aircraft T-50. The fighter, which made its 16th test flight before the prime minister, cannot yet be called a fifth-generation aircraft, experts say: in order to be called that, it needs another electronic filling. In the meantime, PAK FA (Perspective aviation front-line aviation complex) meets only some of the requirements that are put forward for vehicles of this class, writes Moskovsky Komsomolets (see article below "Outside is better than inside").


According to experts, if the plane does not meet the requirements of at least two or three items of the list of qualities, it cannot be considered a representative of the fifth generation. It is for this reason that the American F-35 and the domestic MiG-35 are only budget replacements for real fifth-generation aircraft - the F-22 and T-50.

The aircraft, demonstrated to Putin on Thursday in Zhukovsky, meets only part of the requirements. In particular, the fighter is multifunctional: it can be used both for missile defense and for hitting ground targets. It is assumed that multifunctionality will reduce the cost of servicing air fleet and pilot training costs.

On the most interesting articles on Putin’s visit to Zhukovsky, headers write on Friday (see below article"Vladimir Putin was shown the fifth generation fighter").

Fighter T-50 reaches supersonic speeds in normal mode. Fourth generation fighters had to use an afterburner for this purpose. The engine on the T-50 is a digital control system and a plasma ignition system. Together with the advanced glider design, this engine gives the fighter super-maneuverability. Specialists are working on the creation of the engine of the second stage, which will improve the flight characteristics of the aircraft.

The inconspicuousness, which is the mandatory quality of the fifth generation aircraft, is only partially implemented in the T-50. It should be noted that of all the military aircraft developed in the Russian Federation, it is the most protected from radar detection. However, for example, the Americans when creating the F-22 had to abandon the additional maneuverability in favor of greater secrecy. According to experts, Russian specialists would rather prefer maneuverability from these two qualities.

The PAK FA is equipped with the latest radar installation with an active phased antenna array produced by the Research Institute of Instrument Engineering. This radar allows you to conduct a comprehensive and multi-channel shelling of targets, which is also a requirement for the fifth-generation aircraft.

According to experts, while the T-50 lacks the necessary electronic filling for the fifth-generation aircraft. It is assumed that the aircraft of this type should have the latest avionics - circular information system, automation of interference management, tactical situation indicator with the overlay of information received from different sources, automated control system. Earlier it was reported that the Indian corporation Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will develop a navigation system and on-board computer for the T-50, which is planned to be exported.

Russian stealth experience with foreign avionics

According to "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" (see below article "The dear pleasure of the fifth generation"), experts generally give negative assessments of the prospects for the rearmament of the army and navy. According to experts, in 20 years not a single new one has been created. tank or an airplane, and only one helicopter was adopted by the Russian army. According to experts, flight tests of the T-50 at the plant were carried out using French technology. On the prototype T-50, imported avionics was installed, domestic is tested on another machine. Russian electronic filling should replace the French one. According to experts, this will not make the T-50 cheaper than its Western counterparts.

Putin, watching on the eve of the flight of the T-50, noted that the fifth-generation fighter will be cheaper in price by 2,5-3 times compared with foreign counterparts. As the prime minister noted, this will be a machine that will surpass the American F-22 in maneuverability, armament and range.

As Putin recalled, at the first stage of the creation of the aircraft, 30 billion rubles were spent, to complete the project, another 30 billion is needed. Then the modernization of the aircraft’s engine and armament will begin.

The maximum speed of the PAK-FA is 2600 km / h, the maximum unformed speed is 2100 km / h. The practical flight range is 4300 km. The 30-mm cannon, 8 internal suspension points and 8 external ones are in service. For comparison: the maximum speed of the American F-22 Raptor is 2410 km / h, the maximum speed without speed of this aircraft is 1963 km / h. Its practical range is 3219 km. F-22 20-mm gun, 8 internal suspension points and 4 external ones.

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Putin in Zhukovsky showed flight fighter with artificial intelligence

On Thursday, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) in Zhukovsky near Moscow and familiarized himself with the testing of the fifth generation T-50 combat aircraft developed by the Sukhoi company - it is also called the plane with artificial intelligence. This machine has a number of unique features, combining the functions of a strike aircraft and a fighter.

The aircraft is equipped with a fundamentally new avionics complex, integrating the “electronic pilot” function, and a promising radar with a phased antenna array. This greatly reduces the burden on the pilot and allows you to concentrate on the implementation of tactical tasks, PRIME-TASS reports.

The on-board equipment of the new aircraft allows real-time data exchange both with ground control systems and within the aviation group. The use of composite materials and innovative technologies, the aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, measures to reduce engine visibility provide an unprecedentedly low level of radar, optical and infrared visibility. This makes it possible to significantly increase combat effectiveness in work, both for airborne and ground targets, at any time of the day, in simple and complex meteorological conditions.

- Putin estimated the development of an aircraft building center in Zhukovsky at 11 billion rubles

The car made several laps over the airfield, so that guests could fully enjoy the spectacle and appreciate the technical capabilities. The prime minister carefully watched the flight, asking clarifying questions to the vice-premier Sergey Ivanov who accompanied him and the general director of the Sukhoi company Mikhail Pogosyan.

Speaking then with the honored test pilot of Russia Sergey Bogdan, who performed the flight, Putin noted that the fifth-generation fighter will be cheaper in 2,5-3 times compared to foreign analogues. "It will be a machine that will surpass our main competitor - the F-22 (USA) in maneuverability, armament and range," the prime minister noted. "And morale," added the pilot. “First of all,” Putin agreed.

The head of government recalled that at the first stage of the creation of the aircraft, 30 billion rubles were spent, to complete the project, 30 billion more would be needed. "This is a product of a long production time and a long service life," Putin noted. "It will serve 30-35 for years in the line with modernization."

Sergei Bogdan told the prime minister that today's test flight of the unique fighter was 16-m in a row, several more sorties are expected in the near future.

After a short conversation, the prime minister and the pilot proceeded to the fighter, and Putin climbed into the cockpit. Bogdan explained in detail the premiere of the car’s features, drawing his attention, in part, to a system that allows the pilot to control the main systems of the aircraft without removing his hand from the handle. According to him, this is especially true for the pilot when overloading. “I know I flew,” Putin said in response.

The first flight of the fifth generation fighter took place on 29 this January in Komsomolsk-on-Amur at the airfield of the aviation production association, part of the Sukhoi holding. The car spent 47 minutes in the air. Then the fighter also piloted Sergey Bogdan.

April 29 at the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Zhukovsky near Moscow, began a program of preliminary tests of the aircraft. Today, the degree of development of the aircraft and its systems in terms of reliability and safety allows for the implementation of the flight test program in full, according to Interfax, referring to the press service of the holding.

Before that, Putin had examined the Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute. He began his visit from the laboratory where the T-128 transonic wind tunnel was installed, with the help of which models of aircraft and rockets were examined. In it, in particular, the models of such aircraft as the “Sukhoi Superjet 100”, MS-21, Tu-204, as well as military Su-27, MiG-29 and fifth-generation T-50 aircraft were investigated. In addition, a number of foreign aircraft were studied here, in particular, the Boeing and Airbus models.

As told RIA "News"The head of the laboratory is Anton Gorbushin, there are only 11 of such wind tunnels in the world, only two of them are superior to Russia in size. However, as experts say, the flow quality in T-128 is the highest - due to uniformity, low turbulence and the ability to change speed flow density. The pipe was built in the 1983 year, and at current prices its creation would cost 1 a billion dollars.

During his visit to the laboratory, TsAGI General Director Boris Aleshin demonstrated the premiere of the model of Russian aircraft being tested here. In particular, the aluminum models of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, Sukhoi XenchX Superjet and MC-130 aircraft were presented. Putin drew attention to the MC-21 model and asked how many passengers such a plane would carry. Aleshin replied that the car would be able to take the 21 man on board.

According to the general director, at the present time, research and development of promising aircraft is underway at the institute, which should appear by the 2020-2025 years. Aleshin noted that these aircraft, compared with the current, will be twice reduced emissions and noise. In addition, the new cars will have a slightly different wing and fuselage design.

The development of the Aviation Center in Zhukovsky Putin estimated at 11 billion rubles

In turn, the head of government promised before the 2012 of the year to allocate from the budget 11 billion rubles for the development of the Aviation Center in Zhukovsky. Of these, 4 billion will be used to develop the infrastructure of the city. Another 1 billion rubles is allocated to finance TsAGI itself, Putin said.

He stressed that today this unique institute, engaged in testing aircraft, as well as various complex structures, is working stably. "In the 2009 year, TsAGI executed orders for 3,2 billion rubles, and this year it is already loaded on 4 billion," the premier noted.

Putin also said that the long-term development plans for TsAGI include the creation of three new powerful wind tunnels. "But this is already separate money. Order 60 billion rubles. They will be allocated not in one year. We need to understand what is a priority here," he said.

The head of government stressed that the creation of the Aviation Center in Zhukovsky will have a favorable effect on the city itself, in particular, on its infrastructure.

At present, TsAGI is the world's largest center of aviation science, where the concepts of advanced aircraft are developed and comprehensive studies are conducted in the field of aviation, rocket and space technology. The Institute has a unique experimental base that meets the highest international requirements. TsAGI conducts state examination of all Russian aircraft and gives a final conclusion on the safety of the first flight.

newsru.com

Outside is better than inside

To become the most modern aircraft in the world, the PAK FA lacks the filling

Having made its 16 test flight of the PAK FA (Advanced Aviation Complex of Frontal Aviation) with all its undoubted merit today, in front of the Prime Minister’s eyes, with all its undoubted merits, it cannot be called a fifth-generation fighter.

Media: Putin vainly admired the T-50 fighter - he was shown the plane with the old stuffing


When at the end of the 70 of the last century, the USA and the USSR began to form the concept of flying combat vehicles of the future, in both countries, first of all, they developed lists of requirements for such fighters. Experts around the world agree on one thing: if a machine does not meet the requirements of at least two or three items on such a list, then it cannot be considered a representative of the fifth generation.
Just because of this discrepancy, the American F-35 and the domestic MiG-35 are only budget replacements for real fifth-generation aircraft: the F-22 and the aircraft that the PAK-FA will eventually turn into.

In the meantime, the domestic development, demonstrated to the high guests on Thursday in Zhukovsky, meets only a fraction of the requirements.

This fighter is multi-functional. It can be used both as a means of winning air supremacy, and for carrying out air defense tasks, and for hitting ground targets. In the future, the versatility of this approach will reduce the cost of maintaining the air fleet and the cost of training pilots, not to mention the convenience of tactical use.

The fifth generation fighter achieves supersonic speeds during normal engine operation. Fourth generation fighters had to switch on the boost for the sound barrier to cross. Installed on the PAK FA engine production NPO Saturn, despite the similarity with the previous generation of engines, has significant differences. This is primarily a digital control system and a plasma ignition system. Together with the advanced design of the airframe, this engine gives the fighter super-maneuverability, and this is another requirement for fifth-generation aircraft. It should be noted that the plans have already laid the creation of the engine of the second stage, which will further improve the flight characteristics of the future aircraft.

The inconspicuousness of the T-50 remains controversial. There is no doubt that of all the military aircraft developed in our country, this one is the most protected from radar detection. However, the Americans when creating the F-22 had to abandon the additional maneuverability in favor of greater secrecy. It is believed that domestic developers will make the opposite choice - domestic fighters traditionally win in maneuverability and lose in stealth.

The PAK FA is also equipped with the latest radar installation with an active phased antenna array produced by the Scientific-Research Institute of Instrument Engineering. This radar allows you to conduct a comprehensive and multichannel attacks on targets. Thus, another requirement for the fifth generation aircraft is met.

As for the other main requirement - advanced avionics (circular information system, automation of noise control, tactical situation indicator with overlay of information obtained from different sources, automated control system), the data on it either remain classified or too stingy to do any either conclusions. Most likely, the e-filling is still not enough T-50, to be called the fifth generation fighter.

By the way, it was previously reported that the Indian corporation Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will develop a navigation system and on-board computer for the export version of the T-50.

The stated characteristics of the PAK FA
Crew: 1 people.
Length: 20,4 meter.
Wingspan: 14,7 meter.
Maximum take-off weight: 35 480 kg.
Top speed: 2600 km / h.
Maximum open speed: 2100 km / h.
Practical range: 4300 km.
Practical ceiling: 20 000 meters.
Armament: 30-mm gun, 8 internal suspension points and 8 external.

F-22 Raptor Specifications
Crew: 1 people.
Length: 18,9 meter.
Wingspan: 13,5 meter.
Maximum take-off weight: 38 000 kg.
Top speed: 2410 km / h.
Maximum open speed: 1963 km / h.
Practical range: 3219 km.
Practical ceiling: 19 812 meters.
Armament: 20-mm gun, 8 internal suspension points and 4 external.

mk.rul

Vladimir Putin showed the fighter of the fifth generation

Yesterday, June 17, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited Zhukovsky near Moscow, where he inspected the Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI). Putin was shown the fifth generation fighter T-50, which is now undergoing flight tests. Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov and the Moscow Region Governor Boris Gromov accompanied the head of government.

Rossiyskaya Gazeta writes that TsAGI General Director Boris Aleshin told the Prime Minister about stories Institute and showed a transonic tube T-128. The 100 MW design is designed to study the aerodynamic characteristics and aeroelasticity of aircraft models. Conditions as close as possible to the flight. The head of the laboratory, Anton Gorbushin, said that this is the largest pipe in the eastern hemisphere (“Fighter with the mind”).

The prime minister promised the TsAGI staff that next year the institute would receive a billion rubles from the budget. Another 4 billion will go to the roads and other infrastructure. After that, Putin and his attendants went to watch the 16 test flight of the new fighter. Then the prime minister succumbed to temptation and looked into the cockpit of the landing fighter. Writes about this "Moskovsky Komsomolets" in the article "Prime Minister in the fifth generation."

Vremya novostey notes that, according to the prime minister, at the first stages of creating the fighter, about 30 billion rubles were spent, and about the same amount will be needed to complete the project. Putin told the crowd that the new aircraft will serve 30-35 for years. In addition, it will cost 2,5-3 times cheaper than foreign counterparts ("I know, I flew").

Independent experts, however, do not share the enthusiasm of the Prime Minister. They give a generally negative assessment of the prospects for rearmament of the army and navy. Twenty post-Soviet years were almost wasted for the country's Armed Forces, says the head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Anatoly Tsyganok. During this time, not a single new tank or aircraft was created. Only one helicopter has been adopted. As for the T-50, it is known that the flight tests at the plant were carried out using French technology. Imported avionics installed on a prototype T-50, ensured the test of the airframe, while the domestic avionics was tested on another machine. In the future, Russian avionics will replace the French one, but this will hardly make the new car cheaper than its Western counterparts. About this writes "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" in the article "Expensive fifth generation pleasure".

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Expensive fifth generation pleasure

Vladimir Putin is ready to invest budget funds in the future of the Russian Air Force

Yesterday, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin visited the Central Aero-Hydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) in Zhukovsky near Moscow, where he was shown the fifth-generation fighter T-50. The novelty of the Russian military-industrial complex and almost the only hope of the country's air force today is passing flight tests. Before 17 June, the aircraft made 15 flights, successfully overcoming an important psychological line of the devil's dozen 13 flights, which designers and pilots view with superstition. Yesterday, T-50 was raised to the 16 time in the presence of the head of government.

Before 2012, about 11 billion rubles will be allocated from the budget for the development of the Aviation Center in the Moscow suburb of Zhukovsky, Vladimir Putin reported yesterday. At the same time, 1 billion rubles is allocated to finance TsAGI itself. The prime minister noted with satisfaction that the institute, which is engaged in testing aircraft, as well as various complex structures, is working stably. He also said that the long-term development plans for TsAGI include the creation of three new powerful wind tunnels. “But this is already some money. About 60 billion rubles. They will not stand out in one year. We must understand what is a priority here, ”the premier said.

Then he was shown the famous T-50 - the future of the Russian Air Force. Flight tests of this fifth-generation fighter are on schedule. True, it is not known for certain whether the yesterday’s visit of Vladimir Putin was taken into account in this graph. But the first flight of the T-50 took place on 29 on January 2010 of the year at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur plant aerodrome of an aviation production association. Then the fighter spent in the air 47 minutes. Now the flight time account is already on the clock, but for the time being it cannot be said that the “newborn” has firmly stood on its feet. However, the testers do not have much time - serial deliveries of the T-50 will begin with the 2015 year. By the time the new aircraft, apparently, will find a more euphonic name, which will not be so directly related to the tanks. The first fighters should enter the Lipetsk center for the combat use and retraining of flight crews as early as 2013.

It is believed that with the creation of the T-50, the Russian aircraft industry and related industries will confirm that they have reached a qualitatively new technological level. The machine will be equipped with a fundamentally new avionics complex, a radar with a phased antenna array. The use of composite materials and innovative technologies provided a modern aerodynamic layout of the aircraft, a record low level of radar, optical and infrared visibility.

Another gift for the Russian Air Force is being prepared by the Taganrog Aviation Technical Complex, where they recently announced the start of work on a new reconnaissance aircraft, which over time will replace the A-50 aircraft fleet. In the metal novelty created on the basis of IL-76MD, will appear in two years. To date, the development of documentation has been completed and the production for construction is being prepared. The reconnaissance aircraft must substantially surpass the modernized A-50U and, all the more, the export analogue of this machine, known as A-50EI.

It should be said that independent experts, without much reverence, relate to the parade reports from assembly lines and design bureaus of Russian defense enterprises, giving a generally negative assessment of the prospects for rearming the army and navy. Twenty post-Soviet years were almost wasted for the country's Armed Forces, says the head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Anatoly Tsyganok. During this time, not a single new tank or aircraft was created. Only one helicopter has been adopted. “Military equipment is in the pen. Russia lags behind the West and the United States on 20 years, ”the analyst emphasized, recalling that the Americans had built their fifth-generation aircraft 18 years ago.

As for T-50, then, according to Gypsy, due to the secrecy of information, the nuances of this project are not widely discussed. However, it is known that the flight tests at the plant were carried out using French technology. Imported avionics installed on a prototype T-50, ensured the test of the airframe, while the domestic avionics was tested on another machine. In the future, Russian avionics will replace the French one, but this will hardly make the new car cheaper than its Western counterparts. “Airplanes of the fifth generation are very expensive cars. If we look at the totality of prices, then the costs of their development and production are about the same as for Russia and for the United States, ”summed up the Roma.

By the way, the Americans did not pull such expenses. As a result, the number of fifth generation aircraft in the US Air Force today is almost four times lower than the original plan - not 280, but only 80 machines. How many T-50 in the end will be affordable for the RF Ministry of Defense, time will tell. And the fact that it is a pleasure to own a fifth-generation fighter is expensive, Putin confirmed. According to him, it will take about 30 billion rubles to complete the work on this machine. This is in addition to the 30 billion rubles, which are already spent on the first stage of the creation of the aircraft.

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  1. Oleg
    Oleg 16 August 2010 14: 07 New
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    The so-called "independent military experts" have long blamed themselves. And the same notorious gypsy. “Twenty post-Soviet years have been practically wasted for the Armed Forces of the country” - but how did he want? Wasn’t the collapse of the Union, the collapse of industry, the default of 1998 ... What does it have to go under "twenty years"?
    And again, lying that supposedly not a single plane was created. What about the Yak-130? Ka-52?
    Can’t it be considered idle talk that the T-50 plane passes only the initial stage of testing, and these "experts" already say that it allegedly does not correspond to the 5th generation aircraft, since it has the wrong electronic filling. They absolutely cannot guess with their own head that before the serial production of the aircraft, at least another 4 years and during this period everything will be installed and tested on the plane?
    And how many more chatter will they degenerate during this time?
    1. Dentist
      Dentist 22 August 2014 09: 04 New
      +3
      You are right about something! But based on the fact that the Mig-29 and Su-27 built a long time ago and that the on-board computers correspond to the Pentium 286, if these old men are equipped with new engines and 8 nuclear processors are installed, they will tear all priests to f-22 and f-35 today! , the only cant is stealth, but it is condensed by powerful radars and the range of air-to-air missiles, and stealth will not help in close combat!
      1. Lord of Wrath
        Lord of Wrath 22 November 2014 10: 54 New
        +1
        Only consider the 29 hydraulic control in the Mig XNUMX
      2. Vasily Kladov
        Vasily Kladov 4 December 2017 13: 09 New
        +1
        Stealth, or rather requirements for it, is an empty chatter on the topic and nothing more. All these lotions end when the external load and when the radar is on, and it should be turned on at 90% of the tasks.
      3. asr55
        asr55 25 December 2017 17: 17 New
        0
        Which 286 is just ridiculous. You say the same.
    2. Vladimir 38
      Vladimir 38 6 May 2017 10: 33 New
      +4
      In the USSR, after the Second World War, there was nothing at all, 15 years later they flew into space ..
      1. tforik
        tforik 14 May 2017 19: 49 New
        +3
        After the Second World War, there was a single people in the USSR who knew how to work. Yes, and the Germans, we squeezed out all the basic technology (including space). Now, without technology, such a breakthrough cannot be done by all means.
        1. nikolay020461
          nikolay020461 28 June 2017 14: 43 New
          +3
          The Americans squeezed space from the Germans. No wonder they say that with the death of Werner von Braun, the American space age ended
      2. DiKoff
        DiKoff 19 May 2017 20: 59 New
        +2
        Because all the technologies for the creation of which the Germans took enormous resources and time, the specialists of the USSR, including Korolev, were taken out of Germany, along with metal processing plants (and the Americans are all scientists). + people had a motivation for the winners and a social network with a decrease in prices and a mortgage at 1%. . A simple alphabet - you want to have a 5th generation fighter - technology and production, including brains and materials, should be 3 steps ahead, while not stealing and not destroying production.
  2. dred
    dred 29 November 2011 14: 28 New
    0
    What they admire would be better if he took out money.
  3. yehat
    yehat 11 May 2017 09: 48 New
    0

    F-22 Raptor Specifications
    Practical range: 3219 km.

    I saw other data that the practical range of the F-22 does not exceed 1800 km and, accordingly, the radius of action is about 800.
    where did 3000 km come from, I don’t understand request
    This feature, in my opinion, was the key advantage of Pak Fa, and, judging by the data of the author of the article,
    F-22 turns out to fly with a combat radius of 1500. Some kind of inconsistency.
    For example, on airwar, the combat radius is 759 km.
    Who knows what about this? Personally, it seems to me that the author is either lying or indicating a range with huge hanging tanks, something like this

    there are images of F-22 like here http://www.militaryparitet.com/editor/assets/new/
    F-22-fuel-tanks-jettison.jpg
    but the picture is not loaded for some reason on the insert
    1. tforik
      tforik 14 May 2017 19: 52 New
      +1
      Wikipedia data
      Range:
      with two anti-tank missiles: 2960 km
      Ferry: 3220 km
      Combat radius: 760 km (of which 185,2 km on the afterburner supersonic cruising mode)

      distillation - maximum, with air refueling

      PTB - outboard fuel tank.

      The author is burning))
  4. Molot1979
    Molot1979 17 May 2017 06: 52 New
    +3
    MK and Nezavisimaya Gazeta. Two mouthpieces of the radical liberal opposition, for which everything is always bad when it comes to Russia. Is it worth listening to these igsperds?
  5. Simon
    Simon 25 June 2017 18: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: Oleg
    The so-called "independent military experts" have long blamed themselves. And the same notorious gypsy. “Twenty post-Soviet years have been practically wasted for the Armed Forces of the country” - but how did he want? Wasn’t the collapse of the Union, the collapse of industry, the default of 1998 ... What does it have to go under "twenty years"?
    And again, lying that supposedly not a single plane was created. What about the Yak-130? Ka-52?
    Can’t it be considered idle talk that the T-50 plane passes only the initial stage of testing, and these "experts" already say that it allegedly does not correspond to the 5th generation aircraft, since it has the wrong electronic filling. They absolutely cannot guess with their own head that before the serial production of the aircraft, at least another 4 years and during this period everything will be installed and tested on the plane?
    And how many more chatter will they degenerate during this time?

    I completely agree with you - the most important thing is a plane, and then you can put any electronics into it hi
  6. farik68
    farik68 26 June 2017 12: 54 New
    0
    Guys, since when did V.V. Putin became the prime minister ..? Or maybe I didn’t understand something correctly.?
    1. Talgar
      Talgar 4 July 2017 13: 25 New
      +2
      Hello! Year of publication look.
      1. Des10
        Des10 2 August 2017 11: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Talgar
        Year of publication look.
        laughing
        "Oleg August 16, 2010 14:07 p.m."
        laughing yes no --- judging by the date of the first comment --- almost 7 years.
        and the article itself - 18.06.2010 - it’s already exactly seven (7!) years of news. Well, the editorial office is purple.
        Thank you for your attention.
  7. Susul
    Susul 25 November 2017 22: 28 New
    +1
    Something requirements for the fifth generation fighter all grow and grow =)
    5 years ago, Americans wrote that for the fifth generation it’s enough to have cruising supersonic, and they didn’t even stutter about the stuffing (made in 1980) =)
    Obviously, the requirements for the stuffing were given to journalists, so that at least somehow the F-35 is pulled to the fifth generation aircraft =)
  8. asr55
    asr55 25 December 2017 17: 31 New
    +1
    The source of the article is an independent newspaper, a nursery of spiders in a bank. Permanent participants are bulk, remchuk, Isaev, horse, etc. .. What to expect from them good, hatred for their country for money. Here is their motto. This article is worn at their amateurish level simply out of ignorance and meager. According to the principle, the main thing is to pour mud. It is not clear why Military Review allows itself to do this.
  9. asr55
    asr55 6 May 2018 09: 07 New
    0
    "A fighter that made its 16th test flight before the prime minister cannot yet be called a fifth-generation aircraft, experts say ....." - what kind of experts are these. If the same as affffter articles or a fan of Amer’s armament Evgeny Damantsev, then everything is clear. Only the amers are doing well and they can destroy us in five seconds and blah blah blah. In general, the military review recently began to publish articles not just amateurs, but simply people with a tightly knocked down "coordinate system". Reading these opuses of lies, and in another you can’t just say obscenities, constantly "ears are wilting." Don Pedro would have been put up as an expert. He certainly spoke about the SAM Salome - a 6th generation air defense system. It is clear that in Russia there are many shortcomings, but it should be a shame to write such frank nonsense and consider people to be fools.