The third gas war: the EU and the US must pay for their "success" in Ukraine

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The third gas war: the EU and the US must pay for their "success" in UkraineSo, Russia and Ukraine are balancing on the verge of another (third in a row) gas war. Against the background of “hot” hostilities and repressions in the South-East, the gas conflict has faded into the background, however, it is possible that it will have no less and long-lasting effect on the Ukrainian political landscape. Let's start with a retrospective, especially since the gas wars have long been turned into a part of Ukrainian political mythology, the main character of which is an ominous totalitarian neighbor, stifling a young democracy and not allowing it to achieve tremendous success and true European prosperity.

Reality looks a little different. History Russian-Ukrainian gas relations - this is the story that the Ukrainian side always gets what it wants, but for some reason, it does not like the final result.

So, in 2005, Ukraine was bathed in cheap gas. The then contract, which was supposed to be valid before 2013, provided for a fixed price of $ 50 per thousand cubic meters, plus payment in kind for transit, which gave Ukraine 19,7 billion cubic meters at virtually lower prices.

The second supplier who successfully used the Russian gas transportation system was Turkmenistan, for lack of other buyers, except for Russia and Ukraine, selling gas for $ 40- $ 42. In other words, the statement that Ukraine received gas at $ 50, in fact, suffers a stretch - on average, it was significantly cheaper. At the same time, Gazprom turned a blind eye to re-export. In fact, these were subsidies that provided the Ukrainian economy with very fast growth, a positive trade balance and other positive trends in the late Kuchma era. In general, it was more than generous payment for the non-aligned status of Ukraine and relative loyalty - nothing else was required of Ukraine.

However, the first Maidan happened in 2005. The Yushchenko administration made an unequivocally pro-Western choice, which should have been paid from the pocket of the Muscovites robbing Ukraine. The winning tandem requested the average European price for transit and terminated the contract with Gazprom. In response, the monopoly offered the average European price for gas, which at that time was $ 160- $ 170 per thousand cubic meters. The Ukrainian side tried to return to the previous agreements - but it was already too late. Negotiations dragged on - and meanwhile, the average European price rose to $ 220- $ 230. Nobody was going to subsidize pro-Western Kiev to the utmost degree and endlessly, and in January 2006 of the Russian Federation turned off the gas in the simplest way.

The result was $ 98 - still more than a preferential price (for the Baltic countries it was $ 126), 9 billion cubic meters, which could be bought for transit payment in cash equivalent at about 1,5 times the reduced price for it, and debt in $ 1,2 billion. This is a turning point in the development of the rather rapidly growing Ukrainian economy - from this point on, the trade balance becomes negative. However, these are still subsidies. The problem is that under the terms of the agreement, the Ukrainian side imposed on Gazprom and the Turkmen a middleman in the person of the office called RosUkrEnergo (RUE), where the Russian gas monopoly indirectly (through Gazprombank) owned only 50%. The rest went to Dmitry Firtash and Ivan Fursin. At the same time, behind Firtash stood none other than Semyon Mogilevich (one of the leaders of the Solntsevo organized criminal group, arrested by the FSB in 2008, but failed to prove anything; the US FBI offers information that will lead to his arrest, $ 100 thousand) . As a result, instead of $ 98, Ukraine received gas at the same average European price of $ 230.

Next, we invade the abysses of WikiLeaks., Or rather, the report of William Taylor, then US Ambassador to Ukraine, about a meeting with Firtash in 2008. “During the meeting, which lasted two and a half hours, Firtash told the ambassador that he was a non-public person who, more recently, had begun to dive more and more into Ukrainian politics. He acknowledged that he “faithfully served” President Yushchenko as an unofficial adviser during intense gas negotiations with Russia and a political crisis during the 2004 Orange Revolution. He said that at the request of the president, he had met three times with Yushchenko at his dacha last week. ” The same is confirmed by the ex-head of the secretariat of Yushchenko, Oleg Rybachuk. “I don’t know how often they met in the private residence of the president, but, as colleagues told me, he took a very active part in the negotiations.”

“I have repeatedly started a conversation with the president that the gas scheme with the participation of RosUkrEnergo is unacceptable. Each time, in response, Viktor Andreevich was simply silent and looked away. I know this reaction very well from my many years of experience with him: Yushchenko is silent if he does not agree with your arguments, but cannot argue with arguments. ” Around this place, Moscow apparently had a strong idiosyncrasy on Maidan, because stealing in the way that team stole would have seemed impossible.

Yulia Tymoshenko, who returned to power in 2007, looked equally skeptical at the business of her competitors, and in 2008 RUE was equally removed from the trade in Russian gas. Nevertheless, the intermediary managed to accumulate a debt of $ 2,4 billion - and the Kremlin demanded payment, simultaneously announcing Firtash and Fursin on the federal wanted list. Here, the touching agreement between Miller and the Ukrainian "gas goddess" ended - despite the fact that Yushchenko acknowledged the debt (of course, blaming the blame for his appearance on the prime minister), Tymoshenko refused to pay, saying that it was not the state’s debt, but the RUE.

At the same time, at the end of the year, Yushchenko tried to return the structure to the game. RosUkrEnergo was bidding $ 285 against $ 235 from Naftogaz (Gazprom wanted $ 250), but Moscow looked at Firtash obliquely, preferring the scheme - less money, but transparent schemes. President Yushchenko’s reaction to the losses and brutal mockery of a billionaire Ukrainian business that was caused to the billionaire was tough and unequivocal - the delegation was recalled from the talks ... Naftogaz; however, the latter refused to guarantee transit. Yushchenko and Firtash wanted money at any price — and the Kremlin’s lack of flexibility caused them genuine confusion.

As a result, on January 1, 2009 of the Russian Federation again stopped gas supplies to Ukraine. The “war”, accompanied by shameless gas extraction by “Ukrainian partners,” lasted until January 19. In general, in the course of this remarkable epic, one can observe the entire Ukrainian classics — transit blackmail, howling European officials, statements by Kiev politicians that Russia is robbing Ukraine, setting non-market prices (actually making $ 320 then) free (that is, in vain) with full gas storages and ultrapatriotic propaganda (Yushchenko: “this is“ blackmailing each of you ”,“ one of the forms to increase the risks of your existence, stability ”). The final result was an agreement in accordance with which gas prices were tied to oil prices (more precisely, for oil products — gas oil and fuel oil) with a quarterly revision — that is, according to the generally accepted European formula, adopted in 1960-x with the filing of the Government of the Netherlands. Obviously, it seemed to the Ukrainian side to be profitable - at the beginning of 2009, the price of a barrel fell to $ 33,67, and in Kiev they thought it would be for a long time. An additional “carrot” was 20% discount for a year - the southwestern neighbor was given time to increase the energy efficiency of production. Anyway, in the 2009-m scheme worked - the gas cost Ukraine $ 228 per thousand cubic meters, almost half the price than less “advanced” users; de facto, this meant a subsidy worth about $ 5 billion. However, Firtash-Yushchenko’s tandem was not able to return RosUkrEnergo to the game. Firtash was left to earn money at Naftogaz - the latter, diligently losing the courts, “donated” gas to 2010-2012 for about $ 5 billion.

Further it is not difficult to imagine. Already at the beginning of 2010 it became clear that Kiev had traditionally outwitted itself - the oil price exceeded $ 80, and gas prices followed next; at the same time, the discount has expired, and yet in 2009 in Ukraine, they were by no means engaged in improving energy efficiency. As a result, in the first quarter of 2010, the price of gas for Ukraine amounted to $ 300- $ 310 (on average in Europe - $ 308). The Yanukovych’s administration, which came to power, suddenly realized that the Putin-Tymoshenko agreement was “criminal,” and the price was naturally “nonmarket.” The result was the Kharkov agreements - in exchange for a prolongation of the Black Sea stay fleet in Sevastopol until 2042, Kiev received a 30% discount, which, however, could not exceed $ 100. In other words, prices were returned in 2009, continuing to subsidize the Ukrainian economy - which did not stop Ukrainian politicians from singing the traditional song about robbery, which is independent (for example, Arseniy Yatsenyuk claimed that European countries pay $ 170- $ 220; a typical case of shameless lies).

By the end of the year, the authorities joined the opposition chorus - prices rose to $ 256,7 per thousand cubic meters, and the Yanukovych administration again suddenly realized that the contract it had signed was “non-market”. Kiev began to seek additional discounts - but Moscow has already managed to figure out what constitutes the “Donetsk” protege. The Kremlin did not intend to reduce the price by several times in relation to the average European one for the further success of the movement on the euroshlyushch against the background of non-fulfillment of the “pro-Russian” election promises, and the contract was not revised.

Since then, the main occupation of the Kiev authorities have been three:
a) costly and meaningless projects to reduce gas dependence on Russia

b) attempts to finally get discounts

c) agitation and propaganda - the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians firmly believe that they receive “the most expensive gas in Europe”.

We will analyze the last point in more detail. The beginning of the “most expensive gas” saga was put by ex-premier Mykola Azarov, who regularly reproduced this thesis for several years from the end of 2010. As an example, quote 2011-th: “Ukraine receives gas by the formula of Tymoshenko much more expensive than Germany receives gas, much more expensive than Poland receives. Is this normal? Does this fit into a strategic partnership? And by and large Russia will be forced to agree with us. ” In reality, when this outraged tirade was pronounced, Germany received gas at $ 355, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia - at $ 340- $ 360, Ukraine - at $ 295. Azarov, to put it mildly, was engaged in manipulations - “forgetting” about the discount and the transport component and indicating the basic price of gas, which existed only on paper. Over time, this has become the rule of good tone in the Ukrainian establishment - thus, speaking at the beginning of 2013, the Deputy Minister of Coal Industry and Energy, Vladimir Makukha, on duty, informed the world that in 2012 Ukraine bought gas at $ 416- $ 426, but in the first quarter of the next - by $ 432. It is hardly necessary to clarify that such prices for Ukraine did not exist EVER. Such was the general style of the negotiations and propaganda attacks, which were not expected to lead to any results within three years.

Anyway, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev is absolutely right: the history of the gas relations between Russia and Ukraine is a history of endless subsidies to the Ukrainian economy, which was gradually shrinking over the Ukrainian initiative, parasitizing local “elites”, which actually imposed the Russian Federation on tribute, and Kiev’s deadly offenses that subsidies are insufficient, and parasitism is not enough with impunity. Of course, this was happening to the cries of the patriotic Ukrainian public, strongly offended by the Muscovites for not allowing Firtash, Mogilevich, Tymoshenko and others to earn money on the very same public.

The rest is well known - the collapsing Ukrainian economy still received gas at $ 268 per thousand cubic meters (the maximum price in 2013 was $ 398) and a loan to pay for the accumulated gas debt. For comparison, the average price for Italy in 2013 was $ 418, Germany - $ 479, France - $ 555. Relatively cheap gas was supplied to Turkey, with which Gazprom was bound by the long-concluded 25-year contract ($ 388) and Britain ($ 330), where the gas monopoly obviously made a bet on actively expanding its market share.

In other words, Ukraine received an ultra-attractive price by any standards - however, naturally, Moscow did not wait for a shadow of gratitude (conscious patriots of Ukraine immediately concluded that $ 268 is market-based, and earlier the price was overvalued). The same rates remained after the February revolution - the Russian Federation faithfully supplied gas during the entire first quarter, and continues to supply it now. Meanwhile, the Kiev regime has completely ceased to pay it since the second half of February, despite the fact that only half of the allocated credit went to pay. As a result, in March alone, Ukraine’s debt grew by $ 550 million, reaching $ 2,2 billion. In practice, we sponsored and are sponsoring a regime hostile to Russia.

1 On April, Gazprom announced the cancellation of the “Yanukovich discount” and the increase in prices to $ 385,5 - officially due to non-fulfillment of obligations to pay off the debt and the lack of payment for current supplies. On April 3, the Kharkiv agreements were denounced and the price rose to $ 485. However, as sources in Moscow explained, it was a question of a preventive measure - in fact, the price should have come closer to $ 500 in the event of possible excesses from the Ukrainian side. April 7 is the deadline for March calculations. In other words, the “cold” phase of the gas war began two weeks ago.

Meanwhile, the reaction of Kiev became less and less adequate. On April 4, the Ukrainian profile minister Yuriy Prodan said that it was to blame for the non-payment for gas ... Russia. “There were commitments, agreements. Among these 2013 agreements, the Russian side also pledged to provide Ukraine with a loan in the amount of $ 15 billion. You know, the first part of the loan in December 2013, in the amount of $ 3 billion, was paid and received by Ukraine. The second part of the commitment came in February 2014. At the same time, the Russian side committed itself to also provide Ukraine with a loan in the amount of $ 2 billion. Moreover, there were agreements, obligations from Ukraine, that Ukraine would pay the money as appropriate payments for gas. Such arrangements were. Now we are looking for confirmation of these agreements in writing. ” At the same time, Ukraine insisted on keeping the same gas price ($ 268). In other words, Moscow was asked to maintain massive subsidies and loans for the new Ukrainian regime. The problem is that there are no lending obligations associated with the gas contract in the Russian Federation, and there wasn’t.

5 April Prodan also continued to assert that it would ensure gas transit to Europe regardless of the development of the “dialogue” with Russia, but then the position of Ukraine began to evolve rapidly. Already on April 8, the minister announced that at the price of $ 500, transit would be threatened, and he directly called the actions of the Russian Federation an economic war. The next day, the head of the National Bank of Ukraine, Stepan Kubiv, struck the financiers with a fresh discovery in the area of ​​monetary policy, saying that Ukraine had already “returned” the Russian $ 3 billion loan to Russia by paying them gas. Here it is remarkable, firstly, as an alternative logic, by virtue of which the spent credit is considered to be returned. Secondly, a direct lie - only $ 1,6 billion went to pay for gas, while $ 1,4 billion disappeared in an unknown direction (obviously, this explains the sharp decrease in the rate of compression of gold and currency reserves of the NBU). 9 of the Ministry of Energy realized its threats by stopping the injection of gas into underground storage facilities (PGH) - which practically guaranteed interruptions in transit. The Kiev regime actually offered Moscow to support itself by resorting to traditional transit blackmail. At the same time, at a meeting in the Kremlin, it was decided that Ukraine should be transferred to prepay - which was officially possible to do on April 17; the reason for the shutdown of gas appeared with the 1 th May. At the same time, the EU and the United States offered to contain “their bitch children”. Putin: “As is known, our partners in Europe recognize the legitimacy of today's Kiev authorities, but they do nothing to support Ukraine. Not a single dollar, not a single euro. ”

Next came the following. Almost at the same time, the head of Naftogaz, Andrei Kobolev, directly linked the possibility of “reckoning” with maintaining the same price. Later, deadlines were set during which a new agreement should be concluded - according to the local Ministry of Energy, in the event of a gas shutdown, Ukraine will be able to provide transit for three months at the expense of existing reserves.

The position of the EU and the IMF has been more constructive. Energy Commissioner Gunther Oettinger: “There is no reason to panic. I am preparing a decision for Ukraine to pay Gazprom from a package of loans allocated by the IMF, the ECB and the World Bank. ” Later, the European Union issued two more contradictory signals. On the one hand, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso opposed the introduction of prepayment and in fact placed responsibility for transit on Gazprom. On the other hand, Ettinger confirmed his statement about the need to help Ukraine pay $ 2,2 billion in gas debts. A similar statement was made by the head of the IMF's external relations department, Jerry Rice.

In parallel, the Russian Federation formulated the final conditions for the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine, including constitutional reform, legitimate elections, a settlement in the East and the "legitimization of the situation around the Crimea."

In other words, by the middle of last week, the situation looked like this. Kiev will not pay - even the Turkish minimum (about $ 400 per thousand cubic meters) will result in $ 12 billion. Along with the payment of debts ($ 10 billion), this will eat almost all of the PROMOTE Western aid.

The problem of the western adventure in Kiev is that, by default, it assumed that the Russian Federation would pay for everything — which they had previously been appointed guilty of the Ukrainian crisis.

At the same time, the EU and Ukraine do not actually have three months to negotiate - only 8 billion cubic meters of gas is in storage and it is extremely technologically difficult to extract it from there. Ukraine actually has no alternative sources of gas. With gas imports of the order of 30 billion cubic meters per year, the maximum possible volume of deliveries from Europe is 12 billion cubic meters, while 10 of them falls on Slovakia, which is related to the prospects for reverse, is ambiguous. The problem is that the new Ukrainian authorities are not ready either to invest in the construction of the relevant infrastructure or to guarantee its loading. As a result, Slovakia is ready to supply only 3,2 billion cubic meters without agreement with Gazprom. At the same time, supplies of the order of 1 billion cubic meters in the reverse mode last year allowed Ukraine to save only $ 34 million. If the situation reproduces, the savings will remain “penny” this year.

The idea of ​​importing liquefied natural gas is even more absurd - Turkey has quite clearly stated that it will not let gas carriers pass through the Bosphorus. At the same time, LNG is extremely expensive - for example, gas from Qatar is 40-50% more expensive than Russian gas. In other words, Ukraine has no chance to escape from gas dependence.

Equally absurd is the rhetoric of the West and the Ukrainian establishment, which threatens the Russian Federation with isolation from the European gas market in the event of Moscow’s "wrong" behavior. Consider the situation in more detail. Gazprom exports to Europe in 2013-m - 139,92 billion cubic meters per year. It is this volume that must be replaced. There are several possible sources of supply in the case of Europe. The most publicized are the United States, which are preparing to start exporting LNG (their production is growing quite fast due to shale technology), followed by Iran, Azerbaijan, Algeria and Qatar. Norway and the Netherlands are hopeless by default - the Dutch reduce production, aggravating the deficit of their own gas in Europe, the Norwegians simply are not able to drastically increase it, and after 2020, it will quickly decline. At the same time, gas production in importing countries is steadily falling (as in Germany it decreased from 16,9 billion cubic meters in 2000 to 10,6 in 2011), and consumption is growing, in particular due to the collapse of nuclear energy.

So, consider the possible alternatives. Let's start with Iran - the situation with it is extremely simple. Iran imposed an embargo on the sale of gas and oil to the EU at the beginning of 2013 in response to the “hostile policy towards Iran” (in other words, sanctions). The gesture was largely symbolic, but the same thesis was repeated at the beginning of this year, when the sanctions were decided to lift - but in a modified version. Now the reason for the embargo has become a hostile policy towards Iran and ... Russia. At the same time, an unprecedented barter transaction for the supply of oil to Russia was concluded between the Russian Federation and the IRI, bypassing calculations in dollars. In other words, firstly, potential competitors get along well with each other. Secondly, the main volumes of Iranian gas will be produced by Chinese companies and will go to China. Facing Tehran and Moscow with the foreheads will not succeed in the West - rather, the European market will be divided peacefully. Further, Qatar currently simply does not have any gas surplus (the entire global supply of LNG is 120 billion cubic meters), and exports it mainly to East Asia - at very impressive prices. As for Azerbaijan, its limit is around 4% of the European market. Algeria has only 4 trillion cubic meters of gas reserves (this is approximately seven-year consumption of Ukraine or less than five years - Germany), and the existing pipeline network is able to provide only 47% of gas consumption in Spain.

In other words, the only chance for Europe is the United States, whose export potential was estimated at 200 billion cubic meters, while prices in the US domestic market are $ 135 per thousand cubic meters. However, in this blissful picture there is a series of strokes that frankly spoil it. In the short term, massive gas exports from the US is impossible - as long as they are a net importer (60 billion cubic meters from Canada), and self-sufficiency is expected no earlier than 2017. The start of export supplies also does not promise Europeans a sea of ​​cheap gas. US Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz in an interview with Czech television: “If we take the modern gas price on the American market and add to this the costs of gas liquefaction, transportation, liquefaction and, possibly, the construction of some kind of gas pipeline, then the price — if this gas will be delivered to the Czech Republic - it will be about the same as you pay now. " At the same time, the operations of the minister with the internal prices of the USA are sinful with strong slyness - they are radically undervalued. Shale gas production is now unprofitable. So, Royal Dutch Shell wrote off $ 2,2 billion due to losses associated with the development of shale gas deposits. A year earlier, the shale project turned into a $ 5 billion loss for BHP Billiton.

Increasing domestic gas prices in the United States is a matter of time, and it will be significant. States in a very near future will face a decline in oil production and the closure of a long series of power units at nuclear power plants — and the “falling out” energy will have to be compensated for. It should also take into account the fact that gas reserves, as shown by recent studies, turned out to be overestimated (by 7,5%). Total: The USA, obviously, will never be able to compete with the Russian Federation on the European gas market.

In other words, choosing between the gas war and the subsidization of the anti-Russian regime in Kiev in general, and the headhunter of Russian citizens, Mr. Kolomoisky in particular, the Russian Federation should choose a gas war. At the same time, the whole history of Russian-Ukrainian relations shows that subsidizing Kiev practically brings no political dividends - good intentions are nothing against a well-functioning propaganda machine. The EU and the US must pay for their “success” - so dear that they are not tempted to repeat them.
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  1. +14
    4 June 2014 06: 59
    It feels like if our gas workers follow the lead of Ukraine, then all of Russia will have to pay for the maintenance of the Ukrainian junta by raising prices inside the country ... when it is July 1, soon.
    How much they put up $ 485 and not a cent less ... or let the prosecutor's office institute criminal proceedings against gas workers for maintaining Nazism and fascism.
    1. +4
      4 June 2014 07: 39
      I think that at the moment, talking about gas discounts for Ukraine in connection with non-payment of debts, lawlessness in the southeast and anti-Russian rhetoric are unacceptable and humiliating.
      1. +1
        4 June 2014 08: 36
        Where a crest has been, there is nothing for a Jew to do. No wonder in the SA - as the foreman of a company or battery, so a crest, as the beginning. warehouse - so again a surname like Podoprigor.
        Played, saloyed. (I believe that a crest and a Ukrainian are different nationalities. feel Someone’s friends are either Boyko or Sturm. laughing ).
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. +2
      4 June 2014 10: 57
      Quote: Strashila
      It’s felt if our gas workers will follow the lead of Ukraine,

      I thought for a long time: why are our Millers so sagging under ukrov. It turns out that they are keeping Gazprom on a short leash because of the incident of a fine for the American corporation at monopoly prices. The fine was quite substantial, about $ 150 billion. According to the antimonopoly rules of the EEU, there must be at least 2 companies on the country's market. This is Gazprom's weakness. And so everything is correct: you need to crush these Natsiks with all ruthlessness. And let the West pay for its troubles.
      1. +1
        4 June 2014 13: 11
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        According to the antitrust rules of the Unified Energy System, there must be at least 2 companies on the country's market.

        - So what? Should Gazprom split into two? What they have there on the "market" is a separate conversation, Gazprom, as a gas supplier, is not responsible for others. At the same time, there are companies in Ukrostan that produce local gas - are they not competitors (?), Do they have small cross-section gas pipes?
  2. Khalmamed
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    4 June 2014 07: 00
    ..... the old song of the thimblers "I twist and twist everyone I want to deceive, I want your grandmother to take away sebe."
    ..... knowing the weakness of stupid monkeys to play on them - it is GREEDY.
  3. +3
    4 June 2014 07: 03
    Subtotal: The United States will obviously never be able to compete with Russia on the European gas market.

    Yes, but it’s quite possible to start developing and supplying shale gas from Ukraine to Europe,
    what are they so hard to achieve by stripping SE, but for some reason our media are silent about this topic.
    1. +1
      4 June 2014 09: 20
      I doubt the reserves are scanty, mining is expensive - they won’t pull. Yes, and sniff with them
    2. +2
      4 June 2014 11: 03
      Quote: tormazok
      but they can start developing and delivering shale gas to Europe from Ukraine,

      This will be the biggest environmental crime of the century! The technology of shale gas production involves the injection of reagents that rise to the surface with a stream of water. Then the end of Ukrainian chernozems and water resources. Whoever goes for it is a criminal!
  4. +5
    4 June 2014 07: 06
    Yes, everything is simple. The leadership of the Russian Federation should have respected their country, and not act like a teddy bear good for everyone but their own people.
  5. +1
    4 June 2014 07: 12
    I wonder why the States are fighting for shale deposits in Ukraine, because huge investments are needed to start producing it, it is unlikely that large companies will do this in the coming years.
    1. 0
      4 June 2014 08: 15
      Really good question ... WHY ???
      1. soyuz-nik
        +1
        4 June 2014 08: 48
        IMHO, they play for the future: in 20 years they have invested 5 yards in "cookies" - they have grown Nochtigall. They invest in the development of shale resources - they will disconnect the Russian Federation from the pipe (or significantly move it, in any case they will behave like black realtors who have received the right to a meager share in the apartment). Plus geyropa will fool around with the south stream or some 4th energy package, etc.
        The pepper is clear: for the US-Stov and geyropa, Ukraine is a popois and will handle them accordingly: they will place their bases (placing them under a retaliatory or preventive missile attack from the Russian Federation), they will pollute the environment with oil shale, women - for cleaning, men for cleaning territories ...
  6. +1
    4 June 2014 07: 14
    Maybe I'm wrong, but, it seems, this article has already been.
    1. +1
      4 June 2014 07: 39
      Yes it was. May 5th with the same name.
    2. 0
      4 June 2014 08: 25
      I also read and think something familiar ...)) how I got to the point where Yushchenko looks away and is silent, I realized that it already was!)))
      1. +1
        4 June 2014 09: 44
        By the way, the article is worth reprinting. Not everyone could get acquainted, but the material is competent and written interestingly.
  7. +4
    4 June 2014 07: 16
    In March, April, May, Gazprom delivered gas to Ukraine for several billion dollars. To a country that is almost bankrupt, in which there was a coup, which pursues an anti-Russian, anti-Russian policy, which is optional in payments. Where is the logic? What did Russia get? No money.
    Appreciation of Ukrainians, no. There are no economic, political or image benefits.
    GAZPROM-SPONSOR OF UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES?
  8. +3
    4 June 2014 07: 17
    Off-topic, but I liked it
    2. Romanian modernized T-55 tanks defeated American Abrams during exercises

    As the Romanian Ministry of Defense told reporters, the armored vehicle unit was sent to the training ground near the city of Hohenfels, where, together with colleagues from 14 NATO states, it worked out joint offensive actions, as well as the assault on populated areas using heavy armored vehicles. Romania was represented at the exercise by TR-85 Bizon vehicles, which form the basis of the country's armored forces and are a deeply modernized version of the Soviet T-55, produced in the USSR in the 50s. last century, writes the magazine VPK.

    "During the exercise, a training meeting was held between the Romanian TR-85-M1 Bizons against the American M1 Abrahams. Our tankers knocked out 8 of 11 American vehicles. According to the crews, after the training battle, the Americans looked very annoyed," - reported the Romanian newspaper "Ziare".

    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1809043.html#ixzz33dXhvRbz
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
    1. gsg955
      0
      4 June 2014 08: 22
      Do you remember the downed bomber in Yugoslavia in 1999 of our S-125 air defense system?
    2. 0
      4 June 2014 13: 18
      If the Romanians learn to lie like neighbors in Ukrostan Kievobad, we will hear stories about how Abrams are suffering from diarrhea at the sight of only t55 laughing
  9. +3
    4 June 2014 07: 18
    Quote

    Kiev subsidies practically do not bring political dividends - good intentions are nothing against a well-functioning EU and US machine.


    On this occasion, you can find many sayings on which you understand how sometimes it is harmful to be kind. Like he doesn’t feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest. With good intentions, the road to hell is lined. It is useless to frown on Ukraine for the delay in turning off the gas, the further they become bolder, seeing Gazprom’s sexual impotence, his unintelligible muttering about turning off the gas. Maybe enough for Gazprom to chew on the snot and take a courageous step and close the tap, the right word is a shame to stand for Russia, if they said A (Crimea), you need to say B (everything else).
  10. +2
    4 June 2014 07: 20
    From the article it follows that the Ukrainian monster was raised by Russia itself, unfortunately for itself. Its stupid policy of "fraternization" with everyone who is possible and providing maximum preferences, without getting anything in return.
    The situation is ridiculous in nature.
    It is necessary to begin to build equal relations with neighbors, without giving concessions to anyone. At least not unilaterally, without the provision of countermeasures.
    Well, production (especially defense) should be located exclusively in Russia. In this matter, one should not be dependent on third parties.
    So will success.
  11. +1
    4 June 2014 07: 27
    but do not confuse commerce with politics! since they saw that ukroin can only be deceived by themselves and began to fawn before liars. dance from the fact that ukroin is building a state hostile to us, therefore the principle of business is business should not be in conflict with politics
  12. +5
    4 June 2014 07: 29
    The vicious policy of appeasing the Soviet era continues, and in return only spitting and insulting. Own country can tighten its belts, agree with a drop in production, zero growth rates promised by DAM unemployment (!!! in which country are such statements possible? What is in his head?). During school years, who of us knew about the active participation in Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia, even occupied Poland, of overfulfillment of plans for the production of armored vehicles by the Czech Republic? And what have we achieved by subsidizing their economies? Only undisguised hatred.

    Why should ancient Ukrainians get gas cheaper than Germans or Poles? Do you want a market economy? - slurp, the trough is complete.

    Why does no one explain the price situation to us, not in newspaper articles, but from the first persons? Maybe stop robbing your own population? We are thrown out of our own apartments for non-payment of housing and communal services, property is described, why should it be different with ukrai? Who will explain to me? Explanations about high politics are not accepted, it should be clear to everyone, for this we (they?) Plunged the country into the chaos of the 90s or, in any case, thought so then.
    1. gsg955
      0
      4 June 2014 08: 25
      Dill beggars always look at someone else’s pocket. Yes and there is nothing to pretend to be our enemies.
  13. +2
    4 June 2014 07: 38
    The rounds of ongoing gas negotiations with dill for every Russian are a terrible bedtime story about black and black men. It is terrible because with horror it is precisely the weak positions of the leaders of the Russian Federation that are thought! And let it be only a fairy tale ...
  14. philip
    +1
    4 June 2014 07: 39

    In other words, choosing between the gas war and subsidizing the anti-Russian regime in Kiev in general, and the bounty hunter of Russian citizens, Mr. Kolomoisky in particular, the Russian Federation should choose a gas war.

    I will not say anything new. In the XNUMXst century, the most real wars for resources are coming. They have almost begun Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, the turn of Venezuela. This time, you can’t give the descent, they will trample.
  15. +1
    4 June 2014 07: 40
    What kind of gas policy is ours like this - for our gas we will .................. !!!!!! ?????
  16. +1
    4 June 2014 07: 51
    In other words, choosing between the gas war and subsidizing the anti-Russian regime in Kiev in general, and the bounty hunter of Russian citizens, Mr. Kolomoisky in particular, Russia should choose a gas war


    I completely agree. The era of subsidies has gone irrevocably. There is a reasonable price for both gas and the time before the onset of cold weather. If you don’t want to pay, we need gas in Russia (apart from the contract with China). But for some reason, the Europeans will press Ukraine’s confidence in this matter and everything will be decided safely for all parties except the Outskirts, for which there is no acceptable solution in the current version of events.
  17. +4
    4 June 2014 08: 01
    Since when did Gazprom become the "master of the Russian land"? And who gave the right to give away the public property to our enemies? That Miller and Medvedev got completely out of their minds indulging the insolent Kiev junta? If so, then the blood of the Donbass Russians is on their hands, and why the Prosecutor General's Office is huddled in a corner and is silent? Yes, of course, robbing your people is easier than defending their interests, and besides, we are not their own people for them, but a means of enrichment and shameless robbery! It's time to ask our Guarantor of the Constitution about how he protects his own people (which he swore on the Constitution) or he considers us to be his "serfs"! Maybe his "advisers" advise wrongly, SO CHANGE THEM and fulfill the Oath given to the PEOPLE!
  18. 0
    4 June 2014 08: 13
    I am for the gas war ... The whole experience of negotiating and doing business with Ukraine speaks only about one thing ... they want to get everything in one hat .... and continue their business solely on speculation because of the difference in prices ...
    As a partner ... Ukraine is an endless Cherkizovsky market ... what understanding of laws is there ... or compliance with rules and agreements. Closing the valve to full payment should return Ukraine and its politicians to the land (even the Rada needs to be heated in winter) ... and Europe will have an understanding (in normal monetary terms) about how expensive it is to indulge the Kiev regime ... without any hope (this is for you not Greece) to repay debts ...
  19. 0
    4 June 2014 08: 22
    There is such a breed of people "if not zim, then at least take a bite!" What kind of people are they?
  20. +1
    4 June 2014 08: 22
    Quote: Tor Hummer
    It follows from the article that Russia itself brought up the Ukrainian monster, unhappily.

    It follows from the article that in the last decade Ukraine itself was the cause of all the "gas" wars and misunderstandings. Otherwise, until the 13th year, she would receive gas at a price of $ 50 per thousand cubic meters. At the same time, receiving less for transit, but remaining in a huge plus. In this case, Russia would REALLY subsidize Ukraine. Then a paradox arose: we sold gas to Ukraine CHEAPER than to ourselves. So the first-day dances were good for Russia: they gave a chance to raise the price. True, at the same time filling the pocket of Firtash-Yushchenko.
    Article plus. A detailed analysis of the state of the issue of "gas" wars with Ukraine is given.
  21. 0
    4 June 2014 08: 23
    In parallel, the Russian Federation formulated the final conditions for the provision of financial assistance to Ukraine ...

    What other fucking "help" ??? What other "final conditions" ??? There can be only one condition - full payment of debts under the threat of termination of supplies! The threat, by the way, has already been expressed, only the day before yesterday it was turned into the Chinese "1001st Serious Warning" ... I can imagine how they laugh now in Kiev, Brussels and in Washington - and it makes them cheekbones with hatred. But not only to them. To our "effective managers" too ... So that their damned money gets up in their throats!
  22. +2
    4 June 2014 08: 28
    The gas must be turned off. Let the ESovtsy set the brains of Merkel, Barroso and other "luminaries" from politics for this. With the gas supply conditions, do the following:
    - Immediate cessation of aggression against the south-east of Ukraine
    - Recognition of gas debts by Ukraine under existing contracts
    - Recognition of the violent overthrow of legitimate authority in Ukraine
    - Recognition of the current leadership of Ukraine illegitimate
    - Immediate investigation of all the bloody cases of the current leaders of Ukraine and their direct executors
    - Material compensation by EU countries for damage caused to the south-east of Ukraine
  23. +2
    4 June 2014 08: 52
    What are the negotiations? Must - pay.
    Miller is already fed up with his appearances. There is no sense from them. With us, Ukraine is doing everything it wants in the gas issue. It seems that the Gazprom leadership is getting good kickbacks, and some of the government circles too.
    No one is negotiating with the people in Russia. They don’t even hear him. We decided to raise gas prices and point. Get the new gas price on the receipt.
    So the question is gas is the property of the Russian people or a handful of oligarchs?
    1. 0
      4 June 2014 10: 30
      Quote: valentina-makanalina
      Miller is already fed up with his appearances. There is no sense from them.

      and where is Miller here? ... he will not dare to fart in such matters without sanction from Himself ...
  24. 3vs
    0
    4 June 2014 09: 13
    Let's wait until June 9th.
    If the gas is not blocked, vague doubts will torment ...
  25. 0
    4 June 2014 09: 42
    The local Ukrainian oligarchs and Tymoshenko, in particular, were enriched due to the re-export of Russian and Turkmen gas to Europe. Now they want to get rich at the expense of IMF and EBRD loans, and this money will not reach the people.
  26. Polarfox
    +1
    4 June 2014 10: 04
    US Energy Secretary Ernest Monis in an interview with Czech television: “If we take the current cost of gas in the US market and add to this the cost of liquefying gas, transportation, liquefaction and, possibly, the construction of some kind of gas pipeline, then the price is if this gas will be delivered to the Czech Republic - it will be about the same as what you are paying now ”

    This is the Arctic fox of the Ukrainian gas dream. For no one will allow them to show off to the States, as they are now showing off to Russia.
  27. 0
    4 June 2014 10: 05
    I think Russian politics is balanced! The lawyer himself, and I see the potential, unlike Ukraine and the EU, will have to be drowned in any scenario, if the metallurgists get their fate, heaps of contracts will freeze, and the Germans are not ready to pay a forfeit, which is only according to my information !!!!!!!!! ! 18 of billions of eureka, and they will pay because of Ukrainians!
  28. 0
    4 June 2014 10: 07
    Who cares about the amount of 18 billion take a look at contracts with 5! our metallurgical plants!
  29. Vtel
    0
    4 June 2014 10: 34
    Liberals rule our country and don’t go to Chubais, and it’s obvious you won’t erase, ask Zhirinovsky. The liberal homeland is the dollar - a one-way railway ticket, therefore the mammon is more important to them than the Russian Truth. A krantik easily closes, but there’s no one today, not Muller ...
    Shaw is good for a liberal, then deadly for a Russian.
  30. +1
    4 June 2014 11: 34
    The article is significant, it’s a pity I didn’t read it before when I hung on a branch. I liked the layout of our competitors. We do not have them in Europe. The meeting of the Bilderberg Club in Ukraine, Iran, and China - with all other nuances, apparently has an economic (gas) background. From this it is clear that the concept of Instant Global Strike by USerim is sharpened under the section of our Siberian pantry.
    So SYS, SYAS and again SYAS! And then we’ll see which of the United States jerks to get the stars.
  31. 0
    4 June 2014 13: 29
    It’s not painful to close the valve. They understand only power.