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Dreams of a Lend-Lease, or Who Will Pay for US Military Aid to Kiev

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Dreams of a Lend-Lease, or Who Will Pay for US Military Aid to KievThe fact that NATO does not go for direct military intervention in the Ukrainian crisis, it became clear quite quickly. At the same time, in the West they do not want to put up with the situation in which a significant part of the Ukrainian population chooses the path of integration with Russia. The punitive operation of the Kiev authorities in the Donbas is carried out with the full support of the leading Western powers. And the only question is what these powers are ready to help their Ukrainian henchmen in suppressing the unresolved Novorossia and how this will influence the development of events.

At the moment, economic sanctions against Russia, which are considered by the West to be involved in decision-making on Ukraine, are in force against Russia. There is a threat of harsher sanctions against entire branches of the Russian economy. But, first, such sanctions will be possible to introduce only if Russian troops enter the territory of Ukraine, which Moscow does not plan. Secondly, the Europeans, knowing full well that these sanctions will hit Europe with a boomerang, they will not necessarily agree to them. And, thirdly, even if the sanctions are applied, their result will have an effect only after a few years, that is, they will not work as a tool for suppressing New Russia. Therefore, it is, first of all, military assistance.

This question began to be discussed almost immediately after the coup in Kiev. In mid-March, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, arriving in America, asked Obama weapon and intelligence information. Obama then politely refused, offering American dry rations instead. In March, the United States delivered 330.000 sucker rations to Ukraine, which, we note, immediately appeared on the market. On April 14, adviser to US Secretary of State Thomas Shannon, while visiting Germany and answering a journalist's question about whether the United States would supply weapons to Ukraine, replied that this option was being considered. 15 April John McCain, while in Estonia, attacked the US government with harsh criticism for not having provided the Ukrainian army with everything necessary. Among the necessary McCain called night-vision devices, light weapons, anti-tank weapons and air defense systems. The inability of America to help Ukraine McCain declared shameful and threatening the security of Europe.

April 17 on the same issue, said US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel. At a joint press conference with Polish Defense Minister Tomash Semonyak, he said that President Obama had decided to allocate additional amounts of non-lethal military assistance to Ukraine, including medicines, helmets, mattresses, water purification equipment, tents, generators and fuel pumps.

15 in May in the Wall Street Journal published an article by the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, the former commandant of the Maidan, Andriy Parubiy, entitled “Ukraine needs immediate US military assistance.” This article says that Ukraine does not need the US military to conduct hostilities, but it needs American weapons. Paruby complains that the new Ukrainian authorities inherited from the old half-ruined army, security and intelligence services, which are teeming with Russian agents, demoralized law enforcement structures, corrupt courts and the prosecutor's office. Paruby, like McCain, talks about anti-tank weapons, air defense systems and night vision devices, and also about body armor.

The newly elected president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, spoke of American military assistance in his very first interview after the elections. The interview was given to the Washington Post newspaper, and in it Poroshenko called on America as much as a new Lend-Lease. According to him, Ukraine and the United States need to conclude a new security agreement. Lip Poroshenko, as we see, is not a fool.

27 in May, the Wall Street Journal published an editorial article, “Ukraine Chooses the West,” which states that with the election of Poroshenko as president for the United States and Europe, the last reason to refuse to provide military assistance to Ukraine disappeared. Say, how is this even possible at the moment when France sells the Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia? On some trifle like the fact that France sells helicopter carriers to Russia for money and a lot, and the Wall Street newspaper proposes to supply the Kiev regime with everything they need for thanks, the authors of the editorial do not pay attention.

29 May asked how Obama responded to Poroshenko’s request for a Lend-Lease question was asked at a briefing by State Department spokesman Jennifer Psaki. She replied that the president approved three tranches of assistance to Ukraine and continues to consider requests from the Ukrainian side, but the issue with the supply of arms remains unchanged. In other words, fight boys, for now.

What can you say about this? The White House does not want to send American troops to Ukraine, realizing that Obama will not forgive the US citizens, but at the same time does not want to completely lose influence in Europe. And then it comes to the supply of weapons. After all, American mercenaries in Ukraine are already fighting, and this is a much deeper level of involvement. In his speech to 28 graduates of the Military Academy at West Point on May 9, Obama said bluntly that equipping and training the Allied Forces is a priority of American military policy, as it allows America to solve its tasks without a direct military presence.

The question remains who will pay for all this. With all the money now is sparse. About how sparingly and how everyone is trying to push off the financial burden, says at least story with the same "Mistral". The United States does not want France to transfer ships to Russia. In an article in Foreign Affairs magazine, American political scientist Michael Moran recommends shaming France for a start. Say, how can you sell weapons to the aggressor? Yes, spit on billions of dollars in sanctions, losses, loss of jobs.

US Democratic Congressmen Eliot Angel and William Keating, as well as head of the US delegation to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, Michael Turner, suggest a different move. On May 30, they appealed to NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen with a letter asking NATO to buy a ship from France or rent it. The request is more than ridiculous. It would be clear if the US president addressed the French president and said: “Sell this ship to us for the same price. We will compensate the penalty to you. ” However, even such a proposal would be unacceptable for France, which has extensive economic interests in Russia besides Mistral, and understands that in the event of a contract breach, these interests will inevitably suffer. Nevertheless, such a move would be somehow understandable, and here it is not clear who is referring incomprehensibly to whom. After all, NATO does not procure weapons, the member states, which then equip their troops allocated to NATO with weapons. So the message of Angel, Keating and Turner is just an imitation of activity. But in this case we are talking about the NATO bloc. To understand who will finance Lend-Lease for Ukraine is generally impossible.

In conditions where there is a lot of noise around the US military aid to Kiev, and no one wants to pay for it, there are suspicions that the Atlantic allies will try to turn things around so that Russia will pay. For example, they will try to get gas concessions from Russia, new delays, discounts, etc., and send the money saved for the purchase of weapons. You can also promise to defuse international tensions or something just as vague. It is possible that the first trial balloon will be launched already on June 2 at a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council.
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  1. strannik595
    strannik595 3 June 2014 14: 52
    -13
    I don’t know how to react to this next opus of Rogozin
    Rogozin gave Russia six hours in the US war
    Extremely sad prospects in the event of a war with the US were outlined by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, speaking on Friday at the scientific and practical conference “To be strong: a guarantee of Russia's national security”. In his opinion, the United States will be able to destroy up to 90% of the country's nuclear potential in six hours. In addition, he named five types of threats to our country and noted “lagging behind in a number of critical basic technologies from leading Western countries in some areas to tens of years,” and said that “according to the results of the Pentagon’s military game late last year "With the help of 3,5-4 thousand units of precision-guided weapons, the USA can destroy the main infrastructure facilities of the enemy in 6 hours and deprive him of the ability to resist."
    or does not filter what he says, or defeatist
    1. PAM
      PAM 3 June 2014 15: 02
      +21
      it seems time to start collecting signatures on the adoption of a law according to which high-ranking officials who have stolen or spoiled the country (by their action or inaction) together with close relatives can be put on the wall or trampled under permafrost with complete confiscation.
      1. jjj
        jjj 3 June 2014 17: 42
        +10
        It was still winter. It was said not just for beauty, but in the context of weapons development. Democratic media were taken out of context. There were also headlines like "Rogozin claims that the US will destroy Russia in 6 hours." There really was a conversation, but what was submitted in the media is fake
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 3 June 2014 19: 39
        +1
        Quote: 1
        "Ukraine needs immediate US military assistance."


        Ukraine should get acquainted with the "Chancellor-Act" - this is a document that forces the relevant government of the Federal Republic of Germany (the pillar of the EU !!!) to act on the orders of the allies, support their version of World War II, not paying attention to the good and interests of the German people.

        The Chancellor-Act itself has not yet been made public, there is only a mention of it in other official documents. One of the official references to the existence of this act comes from the bowels of the secret service of Germany "Bundesnachrichtendienst" (http://www.bnd.de/), which is given here:

        Translation of the document:

        Secret document
        Strictly confidential
        Federal Information Service
        Department of Control II / QP
        For Minister only
        Title: Secret State Treaty of 21.05.1949 onwards
        Topic: Fact of Loss Copies 4 Number

        Dear Mr. Minister,
        A copy of 4 number secret state treaty between the military allies and the transitional government of West Germany from 21.05.1949g. finally disappeared.
        This secret state contract stipulated, first of all, the following:
        - possession of the allies of German newspapers, radio and television until 2099 year.
        - the so-called Chancelaract, i.e. a written document that every Federal Chancellor, at the request of the Allies, signs before taking the Oath.
        - possession by the allies of the gold reserves of the Federal Republic.
        In the event that a lost copy of a secret state contract falls into the wrong hands, I advise you to immediately abandon its authenticity.

        Sincerely,
        State Minister
        Dr. Rickermann
        1. Erg
          Erg 3 June 2014 22: 53
          0
          Pancake. What else to get to Berlin? These dumbasses don't understand it differently soldier
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    2. Sanglier
      Sanglier 3 June 2014 15: 05
      +6
      Everything is quite transparent - this is an answer to the Central Bank chairman regarding the reduction of military spending. All over the world, politics is done that way.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 3 June 2014 18: 24
        +2
        Like our Central Bank, everything is absolutely on the side. They have owners in the IMF.
        1. Erg
          Erg 3 June 2014 22: 54
          0
          They have masters in the Fed
    3. Eugene
      Eugene 3 June 2014 15: 08
      +11
      strannik595
      ... or does not filter what he says, or defeatist


      I don’t agree with you, it seems to me that Rogozin doesn’t just give it out ... Look for yourself - he knows that the "war games" took place, knows when they took place, knows how much they can hit, knows for sure where they can hit ... Handsome man, once again trolls the pentagon)))
      1. avg
        avg 3 June 2014 16: 40
        +6
        Quote: Eugene
        See for yourself - he knows that the "war games" took place, knows when they took place, knows how much they can hit,

        Still, at least some kind of primary military education would not hurt him at all.
        Imagine the picture: the United States has been stubbornly destroying Russia's nuclear weapons and infrastructure for the sixth hour. The Russian Strategic Rocket Forces, obviously, are rallying, Lavrov is preparing to file a protest at the UN, Kim Jin-un is dissatisfied with the noise at the borders of the DPRK, and threatens the United States with a retaliatory strike. angry
        1. Erg
          Erg 3 June 2014 22: 56
          0
          Well, if everyone does not stop turning on the fool, then it will be so
    4. tchack
      tchack 3 June 2014 15: 09
      +8
      Which next ??? The scientific and practical conference “To be strong: a guarantee of the national security of Russia” was in 2013. How much can you procrastinate this topic ??? The liberals remembered this topic and began to procrastinate again. Do not be like ...
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 3 June 2014 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: tchack
        Which next ??? The scientific and practical conference “To be strong: a guarantee of the national security of Russia” was in 2013. How much can you procrastinate this topic ??? The liberals remembered this topic and began to procrastinate again. Do not be like ...

        Yes sir!
    5. DMB87
      DMB87 3 June 2014 15: 15
      +13
      The date of this "information" is June 28, 2013.

      "in his opinion" - your speculation.

      Then it sounded:

      “For more than a decade, the US has been working on the concept of a lightning fast global strike. It provides for striking with non-nuclear weapons anywhere in the world within one hour, ”Rogozin said. “According to the results of a military game held at the Pentagon late last year, with the help of 3,5 — 4 thousand units of high-precision weapons of the USA can destroy the main infrastructure facilities of the enemy in 6 hours and deprive him of the ability to resist, ”he added.

      According to him, if such a blow is inflicted on Russia, then the strategic nuclear deterrence forces will become the main targets. "Based on US expert estimates“As a result of such a strike, from 80 to 90 percent of our nuclear potential can be destroyed,” said the Deputy Prime Minister.


      “To underestimate the threats to Russia's security is not just stupid, but criminal, competition will take on increasingly aggressive forms. Russia does not intend to participate in the military technology race as an outside observer, ”Rogozin emphasized.


      http://www.mk.ru/politics/army/article/2013/06/28/876621-rossiya-proigraet-ameri
      ke-voynu-za-6-chasov.html

      No need to pull out phrases, depriving the general sense.
      You would bring the statements of the 17 century, it would be more fun.

      Quote: tchack

      Which next ??? The scientific and practical conference “To be strong: a guarantee of the national security of Russia” was in 2013. How much can you procrastinate this topic ??? The liberals remembered this topic and began to procrastinate again. Do not be like ...


      I absolutely agree.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 3 June 2014 15: 22
        +7
        the first time I saw this information ........ it was written "last Friday" ....... did not bother to check, there was no time ..... in general, in vain I caught up with the wave, I apologize
        1. DMB87
          DMB87 3 June 2014 17: 16
          0
          This is all right, but it's worth looking at the plus or minus voting on your post. 8 minuses 7 pluses (like right now). So, why did you gamble so gambling? The people, how easily you are carried on overt stuffing. Sad and instructive ...
      2. asar
        asar 3 June 2014 16: 30
        0
        So is Russia ready ?!
      3. sgazeev
        sgazeev 3 June 2014 16: 50
        +3
        There was a blitzkrieg, there were hara-kiri of the Kwantung army, they battered in Korea, the DRV took a slap in the face, even hooked McCain, still ahead. The frame does not know, ate bananas at that time. angry
    6. WKS
      WKS 3 June 2014 15: 18
      +3
      Quote: strannik595
      or does not filter what he says, or defeatist

      Any head of the military-industrial complex of any country is always scary in order to drive out the extra headstock. And about the war with the United States. While the United States is at risk of receiving at least one thermonuclear strike in its territory, they will avoid such a war by all available means. In the case of Russia, judging by the above quote, they risk getting 10% of the Russian nuclear potential in the form of nuclear mushrooms in the United States, from the Americans there will be radioactive dust in the atmosphere.
    7. lexx2038
      lexx2038 3 June 2014 15: 21
      -1
      Previously, for less it would have been put up against the wall. This is the call - "Give up, you won't hold out for half a day, they will kill you." In 41, they shouted something similar to us, now they are our fertilizers.
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    9. Jrvin
      Jrvin 3 June 2014 15: 24
      +1
      For 6 hours in our country, even from West to East you can’t fly, how are they going to destroy everything? =)
    10. Cherdak
      Cherdak 3 June 2014 15: 45
      0
      Quote: strannik595
      or defeatist

      No, Dmitry Olegovich is the heir to the ancient noble family of Mitkevich-Zholtok.
      But sometimes the protein climbs out of it feel
    11. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 3 June 2014 15: 49
      +2
      Such a realist is better than a hat-taker. The most important thing after such statements is not to lose heart, but to intensify work on raising the defense industry.
    12. ed65b
      ed65b 3 June 2014 16: 05
      +2
      It’s better not to get too busy. Correctly scares that would not relax.
    13. yehat
      yehat 3 June 2014 16: 09
      +3
      you understand what is 6 hours! in 15 minutes, medium-range missiles reach the target. The Russian Federation will manage to pile up so much that nobody will need these 6 hours.
      Rogozin honestly says that if they want to destroy us, they will destroy us. And this is true already half a century after the invention of atomic weapons. But why don't you remember that there is an atomic counterattack strategy, a containment doctrine that has been working just as long.
    14. passenger1357
      passenger1357 3 June 2014 16: 15
      0
      A reference please. And then on ... it seems.
    15. Ev58
      Ev58 3 June 2014 16: 32
      0
      On the one hand, politics is unworthy if he loves his homeland. On the other hand, reports to the US Congress always contain a preamble on how Russia can paralyze the US infrastructure in a matter of hours, lamentations about how everything is tragic and bad, not protected, well, and the transition to the main thing - if you allocate so many billions or millions (in depending on the problems), then you can do something more secure, less vulnerable, etc. Rogozin probably read these reports, and at some point there was a short circuit of the left and right hemispheres of the brain: he decided to do the same thing - to obfuscate the situation, and, as in the States, after that to knock out money.
    16. mark2
      mark2 3 June 2014 16: 38
      0
      It was for such a chatter that Shoigu wrote a letter to the President on the dissolution of Rosoboronzakaz. For nefig!
    17. sgazeev
      sgazeev 3 June 2014 16: 41
      0
      Well, who will say in their right mind that the Russian Federation will tear NATO with mattress mats in 60 minutes. This misinformation for the lop-eared Obamchik, let him relax. We do not know what we have, and why should we shout that "our tanks are fast ... .. " soldier
    18. Stalingrad
      Stalingrad 3 June 2014 16: 42
      +1
      Let them think that we will fight with shovels and pitchforks. The vigilance of the enemy must be put to sleep!
    19. 4952915
      4952915 3 June 2014 16: 45
      +2
      Well, just out of context, that's all. With these horror stories, he motivates his thesis that it is necessary to develop and strengthen military science and the military industry and to allocate more money for this. By the way, it is further noted that Russia will use nuclear weapons in response in any case, even if the United States attacks only with non-nuclear weapons. Yes, and this button accordion, back in 2013 it was discussed many times)))
    20. yushch
      yushch 3 June 2014 16: 53
      0
      So in six hours, these 90% of the nuclear potential will be able to reach Pin-get several times. In general, Rogozin says too many unnecessary words, one gets the feeling that he is just a lover of pop-eating.
    21. picca2
      picca2 3 June 2014 18: 29
      0
      Tell me, at this stage (what do you think) can Russia counterpose only 6000 units to the United States with cruise missiles (we will not take NATO) ???
  2. Muadipus
    Muadipus 3 June 2014 14: 53
    +4
    Not everything is measured by money. Ukraine will pay with resources (natural and human), its geopolitical position.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 3 June 2014 15: 00
      +3
      One can also promise a relaxation of international tension or something else as vague
      That's just the discharge of tension is not needed. We are not used to it; we have not relaxed bread for a quarter century. But the legs of the chair under the Americans are already staggering.
      As the saying goes "It's too late to drink Borjomi, when ... The bear woke up"
    2. yehat
      yehat 3 June 2014 16: 18
      +1
      Ukraine is a screen artificially created during the collapse of the USSR for a handful of people from power who have already lost both power and money. Nobody except the USA needs its screen function. Now Ukrainians are being zombified to believe that self-determination makes sense, but facts, like history, are stubborn things and they say that all meaning comes down to collapse. But how to believe this to people who believed that the opposite was true? Who talked about this every day in kindergarten? When do most neighbors believe the same thing? Such a fracture is possible only if everything around them collapses. This is where these unfortunate people swim. And they will destroy themselves, and the Donbass, and they can also catch the Crimea, and they’ll spoil the Russian Federation, so that it would not be so offensive. And the United States is quite satisfied. The only way to deal with this is their desire not to go with the flow, but to create their own story. But Ukraine lives in an era of victorious philistinism. Those. they have already reconciled on a subconscious level that they are not a state at all, but a province of an accidental master. They don’t give a damn - whom, Russia, the USA, Estonia or Somalia. If only they would not be touched now.
  3. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 3 June 2014 14: 58
    +6
    Yes, it's a problem. You can even feel sorry for the wretched - after all, they don’t sleep nights, everyone thinks how to shit Russia and not get it on their own snot.
  4. Yellow white
    Yellow white 3 June 2014 14: 58
    +1
    Well, if America supplies air defense means, then we need to supply "Sushki", MIGs ..... ????
    1. smile
      smile 3 June 2014 15: 09
      +2
      Yellow white
      Yes, no, this means that soon New Russia and we will have American air defense systems. :))) But the best way to destroy air defense is still from the earth.
    2. yehat
      yehat 3 June 2014 16: 25
      +1
      McCain said that Ukraine needs air defense systems. What for?
      Militias have nothing to fly but bullets. So, the enemy of ukrov, according to Kane’s logic, is not Donbass. But how is it that Ukraine is fighting in absentia with Russia, calling it an aggressor, and it didn’t even reach Russia that a war without fools is already going on against it?
  5. Sterlya
    Sterlya 3 June 2014 15: 00
    +2
    Ukraine is already paying, with the collapse of the state, zombie population, death ...
  6. HAM
    HAM 3 June 2014 15: 02
    +2
    It seems that Ukraine is moving from the category: “WHERE (this), into the category of WHAT (this) and WHEN (it) was!” Absolutely NO independence, honor and pride!
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 3 June 2014 15: 03
    +4
    Everyone will pay. And the European Union, and Russia, and Ukraine in the first place. Unless they kick up, of course, against such an enslaving policy. The time of continuous "approvals" for the Fashington Regional Committee has passed, and Syria was the first call to that.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 3 June 2014 15: 18
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      They will pay it all. And the European Union, and Russia, and Ukraine in the first place

      Will pay - RUSSIA.
      As always, Putin, with his Medvedev laughing (tandem), again made concessions ... yes, hell knows, and do not care who ...
      Already, with Ukraine, "tinder" on discounts on gas prices laughing laughing laughing

      When Putin shakes hands with Poroshenko (in France) - what do you not even say - just THINK? ..

      Shake it? laughing
      And REEEEyting will fall ... laughing
      1. Djein
        Djein 3 June 2014 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Shake it? And REEEEyting will fall ...


        I hope this does not happen ... not only the rating will drop ... I don’t even want to think ..... But THINK is necessary for ALL ... and ALL without exception ...
        The time has come ... JOKES END ...
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      3. onizhe
        onizhe 3 June 2014 19: 45
        0
        Yes, most likely he will shake, and so what? We now always only show each other figs, but threaten with fists? Better think about why Poroshenko was elected, and even in the first round? Of all the participants, he is the most moderate, and there were not one pro-Russian. What do you want? To Ukraine completely collapsed and joined the Russian Federation? Do we have so much money to subsidize their pensions, to pay their debts?
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  8. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 3 June 2014 15: 05
    +4
    In conditions when there is a lot of noise around American military assistance to Kiev, and no one wants to pay for it, there are suspicions that the Atlantic allies will try to turn things around so that Russia pays.

    And we pay for this mess ... But the main jackpot is the collapse of Russia according to the Ukrainian scenario .. That's when they really grab it (on a global scale) We have nowhere to go in this situation .. It's time to comrades ..!))) Nastad hour X ..
  9. Russian German
    Russian German 3 June 2014 15: 07
    +4
    Something reminds:
    1. albi77
      albi77 3 June 2014 16: 07
      +4


      it is also on the screen)
  10. Bombardier
    Bombardier 3 June 2014 15: 11
    0
    interesting girls dance: KIEV, June 3 - RIA Novosti. Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk called on the European Union to block the South Stream project, having assured the reliability of gas transit through Ukraine.
    The South Stream gas pipeline is being built across the Black Sea to the countries of South and Central Europe in order to diversify Russian gas export routes.
    "We call on the European Union to block South Stream. Ukraine is a reliable transit country, we have fulfilled and will fulfill our obligations," Yatsenyuk said at a parliamentary meeting on Tuesday.


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140603/1010489255.html#ixzz33ZeIdK9O
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 3 June 2014 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: Bombardier
      Ukraine is a reliable transit country, we have fulfilled and will fulfill our obligations, "Yatsenyuk said at a parliamentary meeting on Tuesday.

      Laughing out loud! They, too, probably "sincerely" believed.
    2. onizhe
      onizhe 3 June 2014 19: 49
      0
      The transiter can be anything, only if the supplier decides to supply gas in another way, how do you block it?
  11. Balamyt
    Balamyt 3 June 2014 15: 12
    +1
    Quote: Muadipus
    Not everything is measured by money. Ukraine will pay with resources (natural and human), its geopolitical position.

    We, too, will not stay away! Gazprom's indecision, some offers for a discount on gas for the junta! That's exactly what dill is paying for, and of course the Russians!
  12. Arh
    Arh 3 June 2014 15: 14
    +2
    subhumans find subhumans and rot together !!!)))
  13. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 3 June 2014 15: 22
    +2
    Quote: strannik595
    I don’t know how to react to this next opus of Rogozin

    Do not attach importance. During the Cold War, NATO countries scared the Soviet military threat. And also presented to the average man all in black tones. And all for the sake of knocking out money for the defense industry. Our defense industry really needs additional investment. Here Rogozin is trying. bully
  14. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 3 June 2014 15: 25
    0
    Everything rests on money, no one wants to pay, and some gestures need to be done. The United States has enough mind to offer Russia to pay Lend-Lease for Ukraine, there for this purpose such as Psaki in the administration
  15. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 3 June 2014 15: 38
    +2
    Well this is generally Yaytsenyuh stated
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 June 2014 19: 02
      0
      [quote = hf 72019] Well this is generally Yaytsenyuh stated
      As I understand it, using a similar tactic with the Crimea, anything can be explained in relations with Russia. I think it will be more interesting later ?!
    2. onizhe
      onizhe 3 June 2014 19: 58
      +1
      It's not even fun what he said, but in what language he said it. He started, like, on the Move, stumbled, and decided to switch to his native language. And for pro forma I finished my speech in distorted Russian. Interestingly, the laws in their country are also written in the Mov, like all presidential decrees, etc. How can they do all this there, even if the prime minister does not know such a language (by the way, far from the first one).
  16. demotivator
    demotivator 3 June 2014 15: 38
    +1
    In conditions when there is a lot of noise around American military assistance to Kiev, and no one wants to pay for it, there are suspicions that the Atlantic allies will try to turn things around so that Russia pays. For example, they will try to get gas concessions from Russia, new deferrals, discounts, etc., and send the saved money to purchase weapons.

    Well, that’s how it turns out!
    After receiving the first tranche of $ 768 million from Ukraine, Gazprom's management agreed to reduce gas prices from the current $ 480 to $ 350-380 per cubic meter. This will allow Kiev to receive gas in the required amount at an affordable price, due to Western loans, and send more funds to carry out a punitive operation in Donbass. And all the hope now is for Kiev's stupid stubbornness. Who may not stop there and continue to insist on $ 268 per cubic meter and at least thereby break the agreement.
    1. Winged 38
      Winged 38 3 June 2014 19: 21
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      Well, that’s how it turns out!
      After receiving the first tranche of $ 768 million from Ukraine, Gazprom's management agreed to reduce gas prices from the current $ 480 to $ 350-380 per cubic meter. This will allow Kiev to receive gas in the required amount at an affordable price, due to Western loans, and send more funds to conduct a punitive operation in Donbass. And all the hope now is for Kiev's stupid stubbornness. Who may not stop there and continue to insist on $ 268 per cubic meter, and at least thereby break the agreement. [/ Quote]

      And why does everyone think that we will begin to sell them gas at such prices. Indeed, while Gazprom is only considering such a possibility, BUT only after payment of the current debt. And in my opinion, it’s not easy to get even a dollar from the junta, but in fact they paid almost a lard. And there is hope that two more will pay.
      But they may not pay at all, it will become with them. They have experience 3,14 gas driving, not ours - so European.
      In my opinion, gingerbread Gazprom - only for the receipt of unpaid debts.
  17. mackonya
    mackonya 3 June 2014 15: 44
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    But how can NATO partners fail to understand that for two Mistrals and 2 billion is not enough, and precisely because the remaining 3 Mistrals will be built at the Russian "facilities" under a license from the French military-industrial complex. And then I understand Ukraine violates gas contracts, but France then understands that contracts are much more important than political ambitions, especially one of the NATO members.
  18. Santor
    Santor 3 June 2014 15: 57
    +1
    Quote: strannik595
    or does not filter what he says, or defeatist


    A reference can be obtained if it’s not difficult

    In conditions where there is a lot of noise around the US military aid to Kiev, and no one wants to pay for it, there are suspicions that the Atlantic allies will try to turn things around so that Russia will pay. For example, they will try to get gas concessions from Russia, new delays, discounts, etc., and send the money saved for the purchase of weapons. You can also promise to defuse international tensions or something just as vague. It is possible that the first trial balloon will be launched already on June 2 at a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council. - this is exactly what the West is now doing, twisting its hands to Gazprom connected by pipelines .. Judging by Miller’s face, negotiations are hard, Ukraine is actually blackmailing Russia with hints saying they’ll shut off pipelines ... It's not that selling or not selling gas - long-term already paid contracts are concluded with European countries .... They have to perform
  19. cold_22
    cold_22 3 June 2014 16: 05
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    To be honest, I am not an ardent fan of Putin, but in foreign policy he is strong and when it is necessary to act decisively. Therefore, I do not think that prices will be dropped to 280. It's just that these freaks don't pay at all, but as they did before, they stupidly steal when filling storage facilities. "It would be better for the transit country not to stutter. And while they do not pay, I suggest that military equipment from Crimea be melted down, as compensation, and then it will not appear in the southeast either
  20. Santor
    Santor 3 June 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Now I’ve read that Gazprom is forced to make concessions so that at least they pay something, they’ll go to complete abandonment. We will cut deliveries - they won’t pay at all for the already delivered ones.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 3 June 2014 17: 47
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      Quote: Santor
      Now I’ve read that Gazprom is forced to make concessions so that at least they pay something, they’ll go to complete abandonment. We will cut deliveries - they won’t pay at all for the already delivered ones.
      ...
      .... Yes, 5 lard of debt is a lot ... But I think Russia will not stand on the porch if it does not receive this money .... We will wait ... They will pay anyway .. Sooner or later ... But close the crane is NOW !!!! Evropa itself will unscrew the Khokhlam tomatoes if it receives less gas ... They gave birth to these freaks, they themselves are killed and killed ...
    2. Djein
      Djein 3 June 2014 17: 56
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      Quote: Santor
      Santor
      Now I’ve read that Gazprom is forced to make concessions so that at least they pay something, they’ll go to complete abandonment. We will cut deliveries - they won’t pay at all for the already delivered ones.


      Money should not be the main thing in this situation ... They should ask for it from those "ours" who created it .... If they (money) are left in the first place, and even more so they shake their paws (such hands cannot have) Poroshenko .... Then there will be nothing and no one to comment on ...
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  21. Giant thought
    Giant thought 3 June 2014 16: 34
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    We do not step on the same rake twice.
  22. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 3 June 2014 17: 14
    +1
    The faces from the junta are calculated. Orally and anally. There are no other prospects for lenders. Although ... Who knows, the sexual majority in the geyropa .... Maybe they will arrange them instead of money. fool
  23. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 3 June 2014 17: 44
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    Quote: Drednout
    Ukraine is a reliable transit country, we have fulfilled and will fulfill our obligations, "Yatsenyuk said at a parliamentary meeting on Tuesday.


    It’s fresh tradition, but it’s hard to believe. As we stole, we will steal, and you’ll pay us for it, you won’t go anywhere. Ukraine is now in the likeness of a capricious child, I want to turn it over.
  24. jovanni
    jovanni 3 June 2014 18: 12
    +1
    "... the Atlantic allies will try to turn things around so that Russia pays. For example, they will try to get Russia to make concessions on gas, new delays, discounts, etc., .."

    And judging by the way Gazprom chews snot, they are quite successful at it! Yo ... their mouth !!! And our companions.
  25. Timoshka
    Timoshka 3 June 2014 18: 28
    +1
    These will pay ...
    1 - chocolate bead - a bandit from the 90s
    2 - Dnepropetrovsk whore - American litter
    3 - deputy - machine operator - pedophile - black shirt from Chernihiv
    etc.....
  26. delfinN
    delfinN 3 June 2014 19: 37
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    Here they will be helped