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New rifles V. Lobaeva

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In 2009, a new high-precision rifle manufacturer appeared on the Russian arms market. weapons. The Tsar-gun company offered customers a SVL rifle (Lobaeva Sniper Rifle). For the next few months, this rifle was one of the main topics discussed by weapon lovers. However, in the fall of 2010, the Tsar Cannon Company closed, and its employees left for the United Arab Emirates, where they began working at the TADS facility. According to rumors, the reason for the closure of the Russian company was a conflict with one of the major competitors, but there are still no official comments on this matter.


Working in the UAE, employees of the former Tsar Cannon, under the leadership of V. Lobayev, developed several new types of precision weapons. At the very end of last year it became known that the team of designers again changes jobs. Former employees of Tsar Cannon and TADS established a new company called Integrated Systems Design Bureau (KBIS). The purpose of the new enterprise remains the same - the development and production of high-precision small arms. Already under the new brand, Lobayev and his colleagues presented several new rifles, to some extent a development of the SVL. Consider them.

SVLC-14С

A characteristic feature of the SVN 2009 rifle of the year was a high accuracy of fire and a large firing range. The new rifle SVLC-14С is its further development, thanks to which, allegedly, it was able to preserve the main advantages of the weapon of the previous model. This rifle is designed to use .408 Cheyenne Tactical (CheyTac), .338 Lapua Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum cartridges. Depending on the wishes of the customer, the rifle receives the barrel and bolt intended for use with the selected cartridge. In the basic configuration, the SVLC-14 rifle is equipped with an 10,4-mm barrel and a corresponding gate, allowing the use of the .408 CheyTac cartridge.

The rifle receiver is proposed to be made of aircraft-grade aluminum with an insert made of high-alloy steel, resistant to corrosion. The weapon does not have a magazine: before each shot the shooter will have to manually feed the cartridge and send it to the chamber with the help of a longitudinal sliding gate. These design features are associated with the purpose of the rifle. The SVLC-14С rifle is designed for firing over a distance of more than 2 kilometers, due to which its design is made as rigid as possible. The weapon is completed with a match barrel LOBAEV Hummer Barrels, manufactured by KBIS from stainless steel. Thanks to these solutions, the maximum effective firing range, according to the UNSC, reaches 2300 meters. Technical accuracy is declared at the level of 0,3 MOA (5 shots, 9 mm between the hit centers from the distance 100 m).

New rifles V. Lobaeva




SVLC rifle chambered for .408 CheyTas from Vladislav Lobayev. (photo https://vk.com/top_arsenal)


All units of the SVLC-14 rifle are mounted on a bed made of carbon-fiber plastic, Kevlar and fiberglass. This detail was developed on the basis of the corresponding assemblies of previous Lobaev rifles; however, in its construction some innovations were applied, connected with the high power of the .408 CheyTac cartridge. To reinforce the lodge, a special aluminum part of complex shape is used. An adjustable bipod can be attached to the front of the box.

When using a barrel with a length of 780 mm, the total length of the SVLC-14C rifle is 1430 mm. The total weight of the weapon reaches 9,6 kg. 780-mm barrel provides the initial speed of the bullet at the level of 900 m / s. In the basic configuration, the rifle is equipped with a muzzle brake T-Tuner, as well as a Picatinny rail for mounting the sight. Weapons can be used at temperatures from -45 ° to + 65 °. For convenience, the arrow trigger mechanism of the rifle is equipped with a system for adjusting the pull force. This parameter may vary within 50-1500.

TSVL-8

“Tactical sniper rifle Lobaeva” was created as a weapon with a simplified design and fairly high performance. The TSVL-8 rifle was developed in accordance with the “skeleton” concept with some of its modifications associated with a reduction in the load on the receiver. In this regard, the weapon received the original carrier system with a relatively small aluminum chassis, which serves as the basis for all units.

For the TSVL-8 rifle, the KBIS staff developed a new COUNT store bolt group. This system is a smaller version of the group DUKE, created by the company earlier. To ensure high accuracy of fire, the rifle has no automation and is equipped with a sliding bolt. The bolt unit interacts with the stainless steel LOBAEV Hummer Barrels barrel. The TSVL-8 rifle is designed to use only one cartridge, the .338 Lapua Magnum. Barrel, bolt and magazine for other cartridges are not yet offered.






TSVL-8 (TSVL-8) (Photo http://kbis.su)


"Tactical sniper rifle" can be equipped with a barrel length 680 or 740 mm. The total length of the weapon is 1290 mm. The TSVL-8 rifle is equipped with a folding butt that allows you to reduce the length of the weapon to 1016 mm. The total weight of the weapon is 5,5 kg. On the barrel of the rifle can be mounted muzzle brake T-Tuner. The supply is carried out from a detachable box magazine on 5 cartridges.

On the upper surface of the receiver TSVL-8 rifle Picatinny rail is provided for the installation of the sight. Two other strips are located on the upper and lower surfaces of the forearm. In front of the forearm is the attachment point of the bipod. The trigger mechanism allows you to adjust the trigger force in the same range as the corresponding aggregates of the SVLC-14C rifle.

The stated characteristics of the fire rifle TSVL-8 are of particular interest. The initial bullet speed of the .338 cartridge Lapua Magnum reaches 900 m / s. The maximum effective range of this weapon is declared at the level of 1400 m. Technical accuracy - 0,4 MOA (12 mm between the centers of 5 hits with 100 m).

TSVL-10

The TSVL-10 rifle is another type of "tactical sniper" weapon developed by the Integrated Systems Design Bureau. In fact, this rifle is a revised version of the TSVL-8, designed to use the .408 CheyTac cartridge. All design changes are associated only with a different type of ammunition.


TSVL-10 (TSVL-10) (Photo http://kbis.su)


The TSVL-10 rifle has a total length of 1290 mm (916 mm with a folded butt) and weighs 6,5 kg. The weapon is equipped with a barrel length 760 mm, which can be equipped with a muzzle brake T-Tuner. When using .408 CheyTac cartridges, the initial speed of the bullet is at the level of 900 m / s. New ammunition allowed to bring the effective range of fire to 2100 m. Technical accuracy - 0,4 MOA (12 mm between the centers of five hits when shooting with 100 m).

DXL-3

High-precision sniper rifle DXL-3 is a kind of transitional link between SVLC-14С and the TSVL family. The main feature of this rifle is the original aluminum box, on which all units are mounted. For ease of use, the rifle is equipped with a folding stock, similar to that used on a TSVL family of weapons.




DXL-3 (Photo http://kbis.su)


The DXL-3 project provides for the use of a DUKE bolt group with a sliding bolt and magazine power. The DUKE system is a development of the KING group, the development of which began during the work of the Tsar Cannon company. Like other KBIS rifles, the DXL-3 uses the LOBAEV Hummer Barrels barrel. At the request of the customer, the weapon can be equipped with a barrel and bolt group for using the .338 Lapua Magnum or .300 Winchester Magnum cartridge. In the basic configuration, the rifle is designed to use the .338 LM.

A rifle with a barrel length of 680 or 740 mm (740-mm barrel is used in the basic configuration) has a total length of 1350 or 1076 mm (with a folded butt). Weight - 7,2 kg. Like the TSVL family of rifles, the DXL-3 uses detachable box magazines for five rounds.

The maximum effective range of the DXL-3 rifle, according to the developers, reaches the 1600 m. The initial speed of the bullet is 900 m / s. Having such characteristics, the rifle is capable of firing with accuracy of 0,35 MOA (10,5 between the centers of five hits with 100 m).

DVL-10

The last of the new developments of the CISIS is the DVL-10 noiseless sniper rifle. It is offered to various power structures and units of the armed forces, who need a tool for highly accurate and silent execution of assigned tasks. The basis for this weapon is taken from the projects created during the time of the Tsar-cannon company.

For use with a DVL-10 rifle, a special .40 Lobaev Whisper. With a barrel length of 400 mm (the civilian version of the DVL-10 is equipped with an 600-mm barrel), the initial bullet velocity of the new ammunition is 315 m / s, which sharply reduces the noise of a shot. Together with the subsonic cartridge, it is proposed to use an integrated silent shooting device that closes the barrel of the LOBAEV Hummer Barrels system.





DVL-10 (DVL-10) (Photo http://kbis.su)


The design of the DVL-10 rifle uses the COUNT store bolt group with a longitudinally sliding bolt, providing sufficient rigidity of the structure and the possibility of using stores. Box-shaped detachable stores hold 5 cartridges. All rifle units are mounted on an aluminum chassis, equipped with a folding stock. The latter allows to reduce the length of the weapon in the transport position from 1004 to 730 mm. Weapon weight - 4,1 kg.

The use of a subsonic cartridge affected the characteristics of the weapon. The maximum effective range of the DVL-10 rifle does not exceed 600 m. According to official data, when shooting at a distance of 100 m, the distance between the centers of five shots is 15 mm, which corresponds to the technical accuracy of 0,5 MOA.

***

Due to the high characteristics of the rifle company KBIS are of great interest. However, they are unlikely to be widely distributed. There are two reasons for this: the pace of production and the cost of weapons. According to some data, the production capabilities of the company KBIS do not allow to produce more than several dozen rifles of each model per year. In addition, the company plans to expand the production of ammunition for weapons. The second factor preventing the proliferation of KBIS rifles is directly related to the technology of their manufacture. Due to the complexity of manufacturing the rifle V. Lobayev will cost the customer at least several thousand American dollars, depending on the model and equipment.

As far as is known, the full-scale production of new sniper rifles has not yet begun, but everyone can already make a preliminary order for weapons. The number of shooters and organizations wishing to purchase the SVLC-14C, TSVL, DXL-3 or DVL-10 rifle is not known.


On the materials of the sites:
http://kbis.su/
http://world.guns.ru/
http://popmech.ru/
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  1. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 3 June 2014 08: 31
    +10
    "There is no prophet in his Fatherland ..."
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 3 June 2014 10: 32
      +8
      Quote: Dragon-y
      "There is no prophet in his Fatherland ..."

      Dear Dragon-y colleague, there is a prophet in the Fatherland. This is a CUSTOMER from law enforcement agencies that issues TTZ for the development of weapons samples, and tests are carried out at the end of their development and manufacture. And only with a positive result, a decision is made about the order.
      What we see with the example of the Lobaev rifle is a non-standard caliber, a new (non-standard cartridge), complex (non-technological) production, as a result, an extremely high price. It is not known how this rifle behaves during exploitation, and how much this exploitation costs.
      Apparently, the group of designers set themselves the task of not creating weapons models for law enforcement agencies, but creating firearms for moneybags. The article is nothing more than an advertising prostect. The article put a minus.
      1. tchack
        tchack 3 June 2014 11: 00
        +13
        In general, information flashed that Lobaev had a conflict with Promtechnology, which produces Orsis ... And since Rogozin is behind Promtechnology, we have what we have. As for me, it would be better if there were two such manufacturers in Russia.

        PS: By the way, Lobaev’s production method of trunks is the same as that of Promtechnologii (Machine tools were bought in one place).
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 3 June 2014 11: 37
          +4
          Well, visually and by description, the rifle can be rated at five points. But the truth is, the conflict with Orsis turned into complete disgrace. The difference between high-quality manufacturers and good development engineers translates into a complete ahtung in the midst of precision rifles supplied by us.
          Until now, the same special service guarding the Kremlin has been armed with anything, but it’s not swelling, although Tsar Cannon and Orsis have been working for 5-7 years.
          Theoretically, engineers from Tsar Cannon can be understood, Arabs are not particularly used to the quality and value of the project, they just dump money, and what else is needed?
          But the presentation of DVL-10 is excellent, if I were the president of bananastan, I would buy for my own. Tea Orsis does not present its rifles.
          KBIS, the campaign, has no analogues at all, although generally there is not the slightest description anywhere, one can only guess which cartridge is used.
          In general, in general, the information is insufficient, I suppose that such rifles are made strictly by order, than Tsar Cannon has always sinned, and according to reviews, it gave out poor quality trunks.
          In general, we are waiting for the happy operators who shot these trunks
          1. LobaevArms
            LobaevArms 25 June 2014 20: 09
            +2
            Thank you for the positive comment, fresh photos of the rifles can be seen on the new site Lobaevarms.ru
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 3 June 2014 11: 51
          +3
          According to Lobaev, there were many reviews from private users. He could not normally switch to a series of single copies, a lot of shoals went in rifles
        3. rocker
          rocker 4 June 2014 12: 46
          +1
          Tsar Cannon’s trunks were tuned, Promtechnologii planes them, sort of?
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 June 2014 19: 38
          +4
          even Amerov specialists admit that our Orsis is the best in the world ... but in fairness it must be said that such conflicts between KB harm the country as a whole ... this is undeniable
      2. Zerstorer
        Zerstorer 3 June 2014 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        Apparently a group of designers set themselves the task of not creating weapons models for law enforcement agencies

        But what about the supply of rifles to the FSO? Or is the FSO not a law enforcement agency?
        And our competition is very tough and not always everything is within the law.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 3 June 2014 19: 13
          +6
          Quote: Zerstorer
          And our competition is very tough and not always everything is within the law.

          I agree.
          For several years he participated in tenders for the supply of equipment and was convinced of this.
          The greater the amount of purchases - the more immoral participants behave.
          As a rule, it’s not the one who offered the best-priced and quality product that wins, but the one that offered the more expensive and not necessarily the best.
          Rulit is not marketing, but rolling.
          I lost the biggest tender because not my boss did not go hunting with the president of the country ...
      3. PAM
        PAM 3 June 2014 12: 26
        +3
        every graduate from the shooting department can "draw" and implement in a single copy a rifle with a longitudinally sliding bolt (as he sees it), but think over (not only in terms of design), agree (with a potential customer) and put it into series (considering how technical and financial aspects), and even more so to introduce something new-unit!
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 3 June 2014 19: 21
          +2
          Quote: PAM
          every graduate from the shooting department can "draw" and implement

          As soon as it comes to Lobaev rifles or Orsis - so immediately give such a talk.
          To get started, try to develop a weapon yourself, collect it in a single copy and shoot out of it with a dozen cartridges.

          And when it comes to mass production - ALL GIVE.
          Authorization, certification, licensing, firefighters, police, emergency assistance, gas service.
          Orsis was even accused of not buying the metal where necessary.
          Where he wants - there he buys.
          And when the critic adjusts his production, he will buy materials and machines where he wants.
          Or where it will turn out.
        2. Mister X
          Mister X 3 June 2014 19: 25
          +3
          Quote: PAM
          agree (with a potential customer) and put into series

          For each product there is a merchant.
          Here is a very unusual single shot rifle: Pfeifer SR



          With no one agreed.
          Developed in an initiative order.
          Worth from 2500 Euro.
          Produced under the order in any caliber.
          Buyers are available.
          The article about the Pfeifer SR rifle here http://topwar.ru/41240-vintovka-pfeifer-sr-korotyshka-s-dlinyuschim-stvolom.html
      4. Very smart
        Very smart 3 June 2014 12: 29
        +4
        Gamdlislyam
        You are absolutely right. Such a smart constructor - "Figaro is here, Figaro is there ..."! The question arises - does he work or runs around the world with outstretched hand - who will give more !? It is easy to draw a product and execute it on the knee in one copy, but it is not at all easy to work out the technology, to set up production. And for this topic, this is the most important question! Kalashnikov worked and was able - honor and glory! And it is not necessary to say that as a constructor he received factories, the whole country worked, etc. etc. He did not start at all as a general and chief designer.
        And all our industry of the era of the USSR possessed a similar drawback. We can make a unique rocket, a fantastic submarine or a tank, but in one copy with a manual fine-tuning. And to make a massive TV or a car at the VAZ, it will not be said by night, - the pipe is the thing! And the guys still wanted to cut the money in an easy way. Flag in their hands! But NATO will also not accept deviations from standards (cartridges, etc.). So all these are just expensive toys. Interesting, but nothing more. Thanks to the author - the article is entertaining and informative.
        1. oleeeg
          oleeeg 25 February 2015 14: 14
          0
          I totally agree! And all this has been going on since Soviet times. For a quarter of a century, how changed the system, damn it. And nothing has changed. All the same garden tools fall under your feet !!
      5. artalex32010
        artalex32010 3 June 2014 19: 40
        +2
        Why non-standard caliber? Why not satisfied with customers? Cartridges of the MC series of caliber 8.6x70 mm, our versions of .338 Lapua Magnum are already being produced and actively used by the FSB, FSO, Ministry of Internal Affairs and even the Ministry of Defense, the sooner the Ministry of Defense will adopt domestic rifles chambered for this cartridge. The I.300 Winchester Magnum has also been produced here for a long time and is used by the same FSB, FSO and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Most likely, someone from the competitors did their best. I even heard that it was Izhmash.
      6. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 4 June 2014 06: 05
        +1
        Quote: Gamdlislyam
        What we see on the example of a Lobayev rifle is a non-standard caliber, a new one (non-standard cartridge),

        What's non-standard? "Berdanka" what caliber did it have?
  2. Dimych from Vanino
    Dimych from Vanino 3 June 2014 08: 47
    +5
    Very informative, thanks! Well done masters, MASTERPIECE EXECUTION! Here is the scoop ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 3 June 2014 09: 01
    0
    Who will say why on the DVL-10 rifle a pen in front of the store?
    1. techmesh
      techmesh 3 June 2014 10: 20
      0
      Short barrel, subsonic cartridge, for various power structures. Perhaps a handle to hold more securely, for assault brigades, when operating indoors.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 3 June 2014 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: tech laughter
        for assault brigades, when operating indoors.

        maybe it is, but it sounds like a sniper rifle with a longitudinally-sliding bolt for assault groups ....))))
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 June 2014 11: 52
          0
          Quote: bazilio
          but it sounds like a sniper rifle with a longitudinally-sliding bolt for assault groups ....))))

          In general, this device is not typical for sniper rifles. For PP or machine guns, yes, to make it more convenient to shoot bursts, but for single shots, why?
          1. I do not care
            I do not care 3 June 2014 13: 31
            0
            recharge
            Quote: tech laughter
            when acting indoors.
            three times faster, no bed ?, do not hold the trunk.
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  4. pexotinec
    pexotinec 3 June 2014 09: 22
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    rifle SVLK-14S

    For convenience, a screw-type rifle
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 3 June 2014 10: 11
      0
      Quote: pexotinec
      screw type rifle

      Well, does a screw cutter have a pen in front of the store?
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 3 June 2014 11: 40
        +10
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Well, does a screw cutter have a pen in front of the store?

        it's all just marketing - a set of tactical grip, flashlight, matches, fishing line, tactical nail cutting, tactical cotton buds, tactical spoon made of titanium alloy, a directory of flora and fauna of Zimbabwe and more ....
  5. pexotinec
    pexotinec 3 June 2014 09: 26
    +3
    Finally something new. Very happy. Even if a gun lover and his connoisseur Segal bought our ORSIS T 5000 and invested money in our company, this already says something. Glory to our gunsmiths good
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 3 June 2014 11: 49
      +4
      Quote: pexotinec
      Finally something new

      And what is actually new? It’s hard to offer anything new in the sniper rifle segment. The scheme of work is a longitudinally sliding shutter, as it was and remains. Only the way of reloading can be new here — that is, turning and retracting the handle of the shutter stem (like most) or simply retracting the handle (like blazers).
      Line-up is all standard.
      Cartridge - yes, a new non-standard cartridge. but how much better is it than existing analogues?
      The body kit is like everyone else.
      Materials - standard standard.
      So what's new?
      1. Recon
        Recon 3 June 2014 15: 49
        +2
        This is ours. Our, Russian masters did. Hence the joy.
        1. bazilio
          bazilio 4 June 2014 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: Recon
          This is ours. Our, Russian masters did. Hence the joy

          Here I agree. Earlier, the Russian arms school was associated with enterprises VPK-ZiD, TKB, TsKIB SOO, IzhMash, etc., and now the private sector is starting to design its own models. It's good. Skeptics will say that there is nothing fundamentally new in the design. Maybe. But the very fact of organizing arms production by a private company, even if making someone’s model under license, is already a good plus, as experience, qualified personnel, etc. are emerging. In general, they didn’t do anything new (and hardly anyone is able to offer a novelty in this segment), but what they did, established release, is really good
      2. _CAMOBAP_
        _CAMOBAP_ 3 June 2014 18: 32
        +3
        Yes. I am also surprised by the "effective firing range at a distance of 2300m." With an initial bullet speed of 900 m / s, it will fly for more than 2,5 seconds at such a distance. An ordinary bullet, even of a large caliber, is more or less effective at such a distance only at a stationary elephant - it is advisable to put the elephant sideways.
  6. pexotinec
    pexotinec 3 June 2014 09: 26
    -1
    Finally something new. Very happy. Even if a gun lover and his connoisseur Segal bought our ORSIS T 5000 and invested money in our company, this already says something. Glory to our gunsmiths good
    1. Argon
      Argon 3 June 2014 12: 24
      +4
      I dare to say that in this situation, Orsis is an indelible stain of shame on the reputation of our weapons school, because it is a product of licensed production (namely production, not assembly) of one of the arms (private) companies of the United States. The license was purchased with all rights and patents. The developers explained the decision to sell by high competition in the US arms market. All this looks quite logical (the USSR did not possess such technologies, moreover, the development of even long-range sports weapons has not been carried out since the late 70s.) If not for the existence of "Tsar- guns ". Let me remind you that the products of this company were the weapons of winners of many world shooting competitions at range for several years in a row. Many experts note the unique feature of Lobaev rifles - low recoil impulse (1,5-2 times lower than that of similar products from other manufacturers). Lobaev explains this both by the barrel manufacturing technology and by the unique system of "linking" weapons and ammunition of his own manufacture, but about And now modern high-tech production was ruined, and its owner was forced to leave Russia. According to rumors, for refusing to give / sell the rights to technological patents. Here are the "innovations" and " modernization ", as well as an increase in the private segment in the military-industrial complex.
      1. rocker
        rocker 4 June 2014 12: 50
        0
        rumors, rumors, officially, he simply did not renew the license, therefore, he had no right not only to engage in production, but also to ship to customers manufactured and paid rifles.
  7. Wiruz
    Wiruz 3 June 2014 09: 48
    +3
    Hmm, we lost Lobaev, but he was capable. I hope that ORSIS compensates for its absence. And even more I hope that the rifles from ORSIS will be adopted.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 3 June 2014 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: Wiruz
      we lost Lobaev, but he was then capable.

      Lobaev as a gunsmith is rather mediocre, the fact that he studied with the masters of arms business in America, he still did not make a specialist in this matter. "Tsar Cannon" at the end of its existence began to drive an open marriage, and even for specific money. Of the 8 supplied in 2009 by the SVL for the units of the FSB and FSO, 6 turned out to be defective. After that, only to the Emirates and you have to run away ... And the grant from the Arabs in 40 million dollars also played a role. At the moment, Lobaev is a nominal person in KBIS, an ordinary shareholder and has nothing to do with the development of weapons.
      1. bunta
        bunta 3 June 2014 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: Timeout
        Lobaev as a gunsmith is rather mediocre

        I also thought about it when I mastered his book.
    2. LobaevArms
      LobaevArms 25 June 2014 20: 04
      +1
      Nobody lost Lobaev :) He works in Russia, in the Kaluga province. His website is lobaevarms.ru
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  9. O_RUS
    O_RUS 3 June 2014 10: 26
    +1
    Thank you for the article! Informative. good
  10. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 3 June 2014 10: 45
    +3
    There are no questions for our gunsmiths. Always the best.

    There are questions to our machine tool industry. On whose machines do we process the trunks for these samples?
  11. SLX
    SLX 3 June 2014 10: 52
    +10
    Lobaev did not find anything substantially new. There was no serious production either or not, and all these new models must be very carefully felt.

    So, for example, the developers claim effectiveness at a distance of 1400, 1600 and even 2300 m. But for some reason, the accuracy data is only 100 m. Typically, multiply and get? We will not receive. Speed ​​drops, shape factor changes, transition from supersonic to subsonic, etc. Really nothing to brag about? Very similar.

    And there are still a number of critical parameters, such as a resource. The cost of rifles is considerable, they are intended for proffes, and how to train? The resource of the trunks of stainless steel is scanty. Therefore, proffi need to be loaded with several trunks at once, because the barrel is burned in less than a year. And production does not have time ... All these problems have already been discussed, and even more than once.

    And it turns out that Lobaev’s rifles a priori are not suitable for sovereign services. Then for whom? Even professional killers will not take them. Only wealthy hunters, shobes were not like everyone else, and, but only maybe athletes.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 3 June 2014 11: 23
      +1
      Exactly!!!! good drinks
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    3. rocker
      rocker 4 June 2014 12: 45
      0
      shooting at 100 m is standard for a simple reason: repeatability. How many people are able to shoot well per kilometer? 100 m distance allows you to evaluate accuracy, yes, the wind influences there and other corrections are important, but shooting at extra long distances compared to this is not less art. There are materials (including video) in a completely open access that allow you to evaluate the accuracy of Lobaev’s rifles .. even with 0,3 (or so) MOA per 100m for 2+ kilometers, it’s just a hit in the growth target. Is it bad?

      The resource of the trunks will be low for such systems, at least crack .. well, there are no materials, so that enormous wear resistance, corrosion resistance, manufacturability, and workability were at the level ... I personally do not know.
      1. SLX
        SLX 5 June 2014 11: 23
        0
        Quote: rocker
        shooting at 100 m is standard for a simple reason: repeatability.


        Lobaev’s rifles are not needed for shooting at 100 - for such shooting and SVD is enough. Therefore, the accuracy indicators at the limit of the effective distance for a given model characterize the quality of this model.

        So, for example, one of the rifles is made single-shot to ensure its rigidity. Accuracy is at its limit and will show how it was provided - good or not very, because known and accuracy of cartridges used, and accuracy of competitors.

        Quote: rocker
        How many people are able to shoot well per kilometer?


        These rifles are made specifically for people who shoot well for a kilometer or more.

        Quote: rocker
        100 m distance allows you to evaluate accuracy,


        Allows. But only for this distance, but not for the ultimate distances.

        Quote: rocker
        There are materials (including video) in a completely open access, allowing to evaluate the accuracy of Lobaev’s rifles ..


        In these materials there are numbers that characterize the accuracy and declared by the manufacturer? If not, then this is a golem advertisement. From which, for example, the guaranteed repeatability of the result is unclear. For a series of 5 shots is not enough - the accuracy of other series can be the same, while the STP can walk in a very wide range, devaluing completely the beautiful numbers of accuracy.

        Quote: rocker
        The resource of the trunks will be low for such systems, at least crack .. well, there are no materials, so that enormous wear resistance, corrosion resistance, manufacturability, and workability were at the level ... I personally do not know.


        Yes, completeness - from the bell tower of internal ballistics these are ordinary trunks, the processes in which are well studied. Accordingly, ways to increase the resource are well known - for example, the exact dimensional chrome plating of trunks, too. Only such technologies have many pitfalls, and not only small companies, but also many small states are too tough for them - they require a lot of money for working out and pay off only in large series.
  12. goose
    goose 3 June 2014 12: 09
    +6
    Quote: Wiruz
    Hmm, we lost Lobaev, but he was capable. I hope that ORSIS compensates for its absence. And even more I hope that the rifles from ORSIS will be adopted.

    They will not be in service, the problems are the same as those of Lobaev’s rifles: low-tech, expensive, low barrel survivability (i.e. the inability to conduct rifle training on the same barrel for a year).
    This weapon is for already held super-pros, with a corresponding market of less than 100 trunks in the Russian Federation. Suitable for killers of presidents and oligarchs, for the army and security forces - no.
    The main problem of our sniper rifles is the lack of special cartridges and their production, until it is solved, we will not have our own rifles of this class.
  13. Cpa
    Cpa 3 June 2014 14: 11
    -5
    It would be better if they created a half-inch and automatic army, Azerbaijan could, what is stopping us? We need a rifle that can guarantee to break through the BMP engine. The RPG is of course time-tested, but 400 meters are still not enough.
    1. artalex32010
      artalex32010 3 June 2014 19: 50
      +1
      What is this half-inch automatic Azerbadzhan rifle? Istiglav or what?
      1. Cpa
        Cpa 3 June 2014 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: artalex32010
        What is this half-inch automatic Azerbadzhan rifle? Istiglav or what?

        Istiglal, what else do you know?
  14. hudjuk
    hudjuk 3 June 2014 15: 57
    +2
    very curious - an approximate cost? And Svlk 14 was very much whose screw resembles it ... I remembered how the Germans took 1st place at the specialist competitions, with a new barrel bolt and bolt group-kar98 ... ours fired from sv98 ...
    1. Massik
      Massik 3 June 2014 16: 38
      +3
      Yes, only then ours pulled them with SVD ...
      1. hudjuk
        hudjuk 3 June 2014 21: 21
        0
        YES you what! cool did not know! love on that in my opinion the Germans took the 1st place 2-Italians-Ubeybog I don’t remember what and our 3rd crying but it was a long time ago.
        1. Massik
          Massik 3 June 2014 21: 31
          +1
          In 2011 year.
          1. hudjuk
            hudjuk 3 June 2014 21: 41
            0
            thanks! and when pulled? fellow
  15. Massik
    Massik 3 June 2014 16: 47
    +5
    Can I have normal photos, but not modified on a computer? DVL 10 is an attempt to create an analogue "Exhaust" and with a longitudinally sliding? Why, at a maximum distance of 500m, come up with a bicycle with such a bolt and another cartridge to follow. .408 or .338 is of course serious, but such weapons will never be massive. For an army sniper, 7.62 to 600 is enough. All that is further is the task of well-trained comrades from competent structures and units. Let the work be a pity or something, then comparative tests would be carried out with ORSIS and see what is better.
    1. LobaevArms
      LobaevArms 25 June 2014 20: 02
      +1
      Fresh photos of DXL and SVLK can be seen on lobaevarms.ru
  16. ss-kr
    ss-kr 3 June 2014 17: 05
    +1
    I liked ... beautiful gizmos bully
  17. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 3 June 2014 18: 42
    +4
    ....... interesting and informative article, very beautiful photos, such rifles look very beautiful at the exhibition !!!! But the arguments of the author and commentators about the lack of demand in their homeland, I do not absolutely share.
    Firstly, high-precision large-caliber rifles (like ORSIS) are a dime a dozen in the world, all of them are distinguished by the highest quality of workmanship, an abundance of the latest materials, a high-precision barrel, practically reference ammunition and, of course, an abundance of all necessary body kits, adaptations, sights, lights, etc. I would like to draw your attention to one more common feature, their price is very high, regardless of where they are made (in our country or in the West), and one more thing they all have extremely weak performance in combat conditions ... well, the violin cannot The Stradivarius costs like an ordinary instrument from the store and plays in every neighboring restaurant, it needs special conditions ..... otherwise after a while it will stop sounding like a "special" instrument ...... so why did they come up with something special that would fit our army, I did not see .... "private" high-precision large-barrel of which in the United States rivets a huge bunch of small firms, and in the same way, using engineering developments and spare parts from other manufacturers (the text indicates the use of parts from other manufacturers) .. ...
    Secondly, well, the dude could not sit down on the state order, he could not find sponsors from the outside, what does "there are no prophets in his fatherland", what is his merit neither revolutionary decisions, nor the talent of a marketer, since he failed to advertise and convince his brainchild sponsors ... but to assemble rifle designers from parts and engineering solutions of Western developers, I don't see any great merit here ...
    .... so let him create a replacement for SVD, the same cheap in production, the same "tenacious", and let him improve its quality characteristics, so it would be a revolutionary invention worthy of recognition in his homeland ...
  18. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 3 June 2014 21: 58
    +1
    There’s a lot of things, and barrett rifles cost from 6 tons to a little more than 10, what’s so expensive in them? You can do it a lot and reduce the price, which is what is required. For now, the most important task is to put into the series a designed 10,5mm cartridge and new gunpowder, after which I’ll notice the trunks should change easily, they are interchangeable equipment, and the cost can be brought to 1500 Baku per barrel.
  19. PSih2097
    PSih2097 4 June 2014 01: 44
    +1
    As for me, it’s easier to buy M82A2 and BK for it ...
    1. Massik
      Massik 4 June 2014 07: 01
      +1
      The war will begin, your BC will end, go buy, and you get a cookie - We don’t sell cartridges to enemies!) laughing XM109 yes you can buy, try to develop something like that ..
      1. hudjuk
        hudjuk 4 June 2014 09: 32
        0
        By the way, on the 109th, and ours do not develop anything like this?
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 5 June 2014 02: 05
        0
        Quote: Marssik
        The war will begin, your BC will end, go buy, and you get a cookie - We don’t sell cartridges to enemies!) laughing XM109 yes you can buy, try to develop something like that ..

        cartridges are sold to enemies, even like ... the truth is a little expensive, but still ...
    2. hudjuk
      hudjuk 4 June 2014 09: 29
      0
      uh .... I presented the picture, already neighing, the conscript after training is given m82-m107-and they say, look God forbid you break it, we’ll shoot from it !!! wassat
  20. 12423 student
    12423 student 4 June 2014 06: 05
    +1
    Rifles are good. But how will they be in the series? This is a piece weapon under a piece cartridge. For the mass army will not work, only for specialists.
  21. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 4 June 2014 18: 59
    0
    there are a lot of them and it’s not necessary, for 20 people. One, and for a specific task, there should be 2. Light and heavy. Or 2 snipers, which is even better, ideally an interchangeable barrel for the desired caliber. This is already very serious.
  22. Adelman
    Adelman 4 June 2014 19: 37
    0
    I love rifles.
  23. silver169
    silver169 6 June 2014 03: 42
    +2
    The weapon looks great. They know how when they want.
  24. oleeeg
    oleeeg 25 February 2015 14: 22
    +1
    Yes, on other people's machines, under another's cartridge. Under the Chinese we mow :-(
    Can all the same start with ammunition?
  25. Varg
    Varg 11 July 2015 21: 45
    +1
    Many conflicting reviews, of course ..
    But in any case, as far as I know, at the moment this is probably the most accurate rifle, at least from ours for sure, in terms of the ratio of the range of the shot \ accuracy of the hit, plus the possibility of a charge with a sheytak.
    Well, they seem to have recorded a record in Guinness ..?