Not everything is so clear ...

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One of the popular topics that is actively spreading and picked up is the passivity of the population of the Southeast, who, de, does not want to tear himself away from a warm place and take weapon to protect themselves, their families and their land from punitive Bandera.

The conclusion drawn from this statement seems perfectly logical - why should we die for those who are unable to stand up for themselves?

However, things are not as straightforward as the officer’s notorious daughter said. Rather, it's not like that at all. And you need to understand why.

In my opinion, the problem has at least two aspects. And each of them is very serious. Any of them is already enough to lead to the sad picture of public apathy, which we are seeing right now in Ukraine.

Modern warfare does not come from a loudspeaker with the words "Brothers and sisters, I am addressing you." It looks completely different and is primarily in the minds. When gangsters and criminals are called freedom fighters, frozen meat products skipping along our symbols and stuffing themselves into causal places - by conscience, nations, thieves and corrupt officials - are the country's elite. The meaning of what is happening is to drive a person inside his skull, to tear him from society, to eliminate the mechanism of survival for thousands of years - a collective organization.

A single person is the ideal of a consumer society. A virtual reality is created around him, in which he is told what to buy, who to vote for, what is fashionable today, and what is not interesting.

We all live in a world that is reflected in our consciousness. This interweaving of three components at once - the real world that we see and feel with our own eyes, the virtual world - that is, the one we are building, based on other people's information (they used to be stories of travelers, yesterday it was the party press, today it tells TV and Internet). Finally, there is a world of symbols — in other words, instilled in us and perceived as axioms of the concepts of good and evil. These three worlds, intertwining, create the picture of the world in which each person lives.

The task of a consumer society is to create a situation around a person when he cannot make decisions on his own. Any "informed choice" is formed in advance in the form of answers, each of which suits the creators of this world. Education, mass culture and propaganda work to exterminate not just dialectical thinking - that is, based on contradictions, as a source of development, but also monolectic - that is, the ability to build causal relationships. A person begins to think fragmentary, where any conclusion relies only on the current and carefully formed initial premise for him. This, of course, is done primarily to ensure that the output turns out to be the “ideal consumer” according to the wording of the former Russian Minister of Education Fursenko, but at the same time there are inevitable consequences. Not always pleasant.

This is how the situation, wild in its illogical nature, arises when candidates and doctors of sciences go out into the street shouting the slogan “Bandu Get” or “Hutin Pui”, believing that as soon as the gang goes get, everything will magically change for the better for them personally. Okay, students or homeless people - but really smart people start behaving like clinical idiots in situations where basic household logic allows us to explain the nonsense of their demands on our fingers.

But all this lyrics. The harsh reality is that the modern man is alone. He has no collective survival experience, as he does not need him too much. We can live for decades in one stairwell, but never know all the neighbors - not only by name, but even by sight. Accordingly, there is no experience in collective decision making. Therefore, there is no point in blaming the Ukrainians for the fact that they suddenly and magically turned out to be incapable of some abstract "self-organization" - try to sagit your approach to the subbotnik in the yard, then let's talk about this very "self-organization".

The second reason, which is no less significant, also looks quite affordable. The mythical "self-organization" is from the category of self-dressing tablecloth. Any creative activity requires organization and effort. Simple activities such as cooking soup - individual efforts, more complex - collective efforts.

Self-organization is akin to self-building at home. Whatever the desire to build the coveted square meters, but even with the necessary funds, it is very difficult. A person must show considerable organizational skills in order to unite and coordinate the activities of a very large number of people in order to build a house. You need to choose a project, find builders, purchase and bring building materials - and in the necessary sequence. It is necessary to control all processes at all stages - in general, who was engaged - he knows, the rest can take their word for it.

There are three key blocks of problems facing the DPR and LPR today - military problems to defend their independence from Kiev’s aggression, organizational problems in building state administration structures, plus pressing humanitarian issues that are growing every day.

All this requires a very serious and painstaking organizational work to create a large number of structures that will solve the problems that arise. The situation at the same time does not contribute to rhythmic and trouble-free work - on the contrary, everything that happens only creates new and new obstacles.

Even in the presence of desire and motivation, it is impossible so easy for a concrete person to throw himself up and go to war. You need to come to a certain military registration and enlistment office, pass the primary selection, then you need to go through training camps, where you will be given the primary skills of military discipline, knowledge of duties, will be trained in handling weapons, will form a unit, appoint and introduce the commander, will carry out what is called combat combat. Otherwise, the unit formed from the wheels will either die in the first battle, or very quickly turn into an armed gang. All this requires very considerable preparatory measures from the side of the new authorities of the DPR. This is done, but you need to be aware that everything requires resources, people and time.

If you put together even these two factors, you can say for sure that the contemptuous attitude towards the Donbass, who sit and wait for good uncles to rescue them, is somewhat premature. I am sure that if the same thing happened in Russia in the situation of a state collapse, we would face exactly the same problems. Perhaps even more serious.

There is nothing unsolvable and insoluble. Turning off the cesspool called TV is a very beneficial effect on the mental state of any normal person. Ukrainians in this sense are no better and no worse. As soon as the virtual reality called propaganda ceases to be brainwashed, the real world very quickly declares itself. The result can be seen on the same Slavyansk. It would seem that the people to whom the war came along with Strelkov should drive him and his militia in order to return to their former cozy little world. However, only a month without brainwashing propaganda from Kiev and the harsh reality outside the window quickly put everything in its place - people understand perfectly well who the enemy really is and why. Yes, the people of Strelkov have a weapon - but it was also among the Ukrainian military, who, three weeks ago, the same people threw themselves at their tracks. That is, not the fear of "terrorists" provides "strelkovtsam" support for people.

The second problem is more serious. Creating from scratch many resistance structures and reformatting existing state structures created for activities in another country and in a different environment requires tremendous efforts. Both Borodai and Strelkov, and many who came with them, have the experience of hot spots and unrecognized republics - and not only trench experience, but also managerial. It is less ambitious than what they have to do now, but it is.

Much of what has already been done and done is based on this experience and on the understanding of what needs to be done. The problem is that the resource base of the uprising is extremely scarce. And finance, and material resources, and personnel - all in a tight shortage. That, in fact, is where Russia's aid should appear. Which should also gain experience in such activities. Even wild Arab monarchies in this sense have structures that implement the state policy of their countries, without directly interfering with the state in their activities. A variety of foundations, founded by princes and emirs, finance and organize the activities of hundreds of structures around the world, from purely religious to quite serious management and military.

It is the private foundations of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait that finance and organize mobilization and training, arming and supplying militants fighting in Syria — while Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Kuwait are distant from direct assistance and work exclusively in the legal and diplomatic field. This is a well-established scheme that has long been used to promote its interests by dozens of countries claiming to be subjectivity. Russia's incomprehensible shyness in this matter creates problems only for her, but not for her opponents.

Even humanitarian aid in the Donbass today is sent exclusively on a private basis, there is no any coordinated coordination and organization. Therefore, very serious efforts are spent on overcoming problems that do not cause any difficulties for a normally functioning well-established aid structure.

All this suggests that any problem must be comprehended and formulated. A properly asked question contains half the answer. The simple accusation of the residents of Donbass is that they are not such, not only that it is wrong, but also uninformative. It does not follow the answer to the question - what to do. However, you need to respond as you need and begin to act. And at the level of just individuals, and at the level of organizations, and at the state level. War - she does not want to wait. She just goes.
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  1. +15
    2 2014 June
    There is nothing unsolvable and insoluble. Disabling trash called TV is very beneficial effect on the mental state of any normal person. Ukrainians in this sense are no better and no worse
    Well, we went through it in the 90s. "Slave Izaura", "The rich also cry". Dibilism is complete, but the people liked it. Now they are looking at something else, like "The milkmaids of their Khatsapetovka", and then they go out into the street, and there the shells fly, why ???? Infantilism of reason is the basis of everything. This is war - we don't need it, that's all. Izaura hasn't married yet, wait. Submit a new series about 2000s of thousands of episodes. And we will look until the coming of Satan, but there, even the flood.
    1. COLUN
      +13
      2 2014 June
      Therefore, everything is simple:
      1. APS
        +4
        2 2014 June
        The most difficult path is the surest. And it’s not you who came to them, but they came to you and shoot and kill on the outskirts of your city.
        1. +1
          2 2014 June
          Many times I read here on the forum the following phrase: "I am not a sofa Rimbaud, if the summons comes, I will immediately go to the military registration and enlistment office and go to war." Why do we consider it okay for ourselves to follow the war agenda, but do not allow Ukrainians to think so?
          I am sure that where people are now shooting and killing, they have already decided, well, but the neighbors will catch up later.
    2. Anton-sed
      +1
      2 2014 June
      Do you think those who watched TV shows in the evenings are better at disassembling AK?
      Russia needs to start providing humanitarian aid as soon as possible. And between the cans with stew put a machine and two horns.
  2. 0
    2 2014 June
    Each nation makes its own story.
    1. +7
      2 2014 June
      Quote: moremansf
      Each nation makes its own story.


      The leaders are making history, which captivate the people with an idea, a slogan, a perspective. And the people are a weakly self-organizing entity. But in order to involve the masses in the process, sometimes it’s enough for the government to simply ask - people, and you agree if you do like this. Why is the Swiss government constantly organizing referenda on various issues of the country's life? Why aren't Russians asking? For example, I don’t want the Ukrainian junta to be given a discount on gas at my expense, and maybe not only me?
  3. +13
    2 2014 June
    They clamped on NCOs !!! ???, didn’t hold on a little - to forbid the law, and other corruptive organizations of transmission and, and, and ... Let the State Department and its pack of jackals yap and howl, we will teach to comply with our laws, otherwise we will be hit by teleportation, you need to think before you go to someone else’s plow ....
    1. +7
      2 2014 June
      In any normal state there is censorship, so that the democrats would not yell
      1. +3
        2 2014 June
        Quote: vsoltan
        In any normal state there is censorship, so that the democrats would not yell

        Only not in Russia! I just came across an interesting resource! Drive Vitka satire and life into Yandex. I have no words! How can this exist ???
        1. 0
          3 2014 June
          So I listened to you and went in, upset. No need to promote them.
  4. arch_kate3
    +2
    2 2014 June
    Any nation needs to organize a normal life and it is created by the national elite. Poor organization at the moment speaks of the absence of an elite, its small size, its immaturity. Possibly, potential leaders were bought up for "the blessings of the civilized world" or were not given the opportunity to develop - this is a hidden mechanism of war against peoples. Something like this...
    1. riko
      +10
      2 2014 June
      at all times scientists, philosophers and warriors were called elite. And now? Is Sobchak the elite? And with the rest of the "elite" the same problem
    2. +5
      2 2014 June
      I agree, therefore, it is necessary to help ripen the Novorossiysk elite.
      In general, it is difficult for an ordinary person to get up, drop everything, take a weapon and go to war. For this, there is mobilization. In the Second World War, too, not everyone voluntarily came to the military enlistment offices. It is necessary to help people make the right choice. But according to my amateurish IMHO, in today's demographic situation, the mobilization should be different from the one that was 70 years ago.
      First of all, men of 30-45 years should be called. These are adult held people, who for the most part have already fulfilled their basic biological task - created families and gave birth to children. They are mainly and should participate directly in hostilities, risking their lives. At the same time, a person must be sure that his family is not starving, payments on loans are suspended, and in case of death or injury, are written off. Youth must be protected. Try to keep the young alive, even better provide a rear. Fathers should fight, not children. To not work out like in our family. The grandfather came from the war, one of the four brothers alive, and his two sisters could not marry, there were no guys left. Of course, in the event of a total war, all generations will have to fight.
  5. ivan.kormoran
    +14
    2 2014 June
    Good afternoon.
    You write beautifully and fascinatingly comrade.
    But there is a small one - those same professors, housewives, workers, etc. SO sincerely rejoiced, with such enthusiasm. We elected various presidents, deputies of the Rada in the 90s of the last century, and with such enthusiasm they demolished ALL that related to the Great Power. with such respect they accepted the swastika, Bender, nationalism. With such trepidation, It was cultivated, sent on a business trip to Chechnya and the Caucasus for their internships !!!
    So now we must not hesitate, not dream that the Russian Federation will send young boys to a fratricidal war. and to get up ourselves - someone from the Maidan, someone from the sofa and sweep the "GARBAGE" out of their hut !!!
    Stop shedding tears, KHOHOL (for me this is a common noun for any representative of Independence Square). If YOU ARE A MAN, then protect your family YOURSELF, I will not believe that 10 people with a "shaft" in their hands will not break Maydanuty with a bat. The main thing is to understand that you are the only protector of your family and your future. no one has the right to occupy your hut. But I repeat if you are a crest - MAN.
    And to you, dear author, with all due respect, write easier and people will read and understand.
    Sincerely.
    1. +5
      2 2014 June
      Easier, I will answer, as it was already written on this site "we will not help Syria, the next country where bearded fanatics will come will be Russia. Russia will not help the Donbass and the entire southeast, there will be another" Baltic "country nearby with all the consequences.
    2. +1
      2 2014 June
      Quote: ivan.kormoran
      sent on a business trip to Chechnya and the Caucasus their young for an internship !!!

      Well, mostly zapadentsy. Southeast still gravitated to their own.
    3. +1
      2 2014 June
      The article is a little off topic. No need to climb into the wilds, invent something about brainwashed. When there was a referendum, everyone's brains were fine. At a turnout of 90%, almost everyone was against the junta, but as soon as the smell of fried 80% evaporated. Let anyone, but not me. But of course, if pressed, I will get up from the couch. But when pressed in their concept, it will be too late to get up. And then the whining begins that the older brother did not come and did not help. By the way, even now it’s not clear who is helping anyone, whether ours are theirs or ours.
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    5. dmb
      0
      3 2014 June
      And it can be even simpler. The site has a whole group of such "writers". From article to article the same State Department is being written ... ah, Bandera-kaka, Putin is a swag and he will show himself again. The fact is that the author wrote his article not in the style of the football chants you like so much, but successfully analyzed the state of modern society, both Ukrainian and ours. The vices described by the author are inherent in any modern society. The Western, with all the dislike for it, is even more active than ours. They also go out to demonstrations about price increases and wage cuts. In our country, they prefer to slap the keys, naively believing that oligarchs start every day by watching comments on VO. We have long been disunited, which our authorities really like. I understand that I am writing bitter truths, but in case of disagreement, try to name at least one decision of the authorities, made at the request of the people. Just don't say that gasoline prices and tariffs are being raised solely at your request, because then you will have to change your opinion about the absence of oligarchs on the site.
  6. +6
    2 2014 June
    The author is right about independent funds that can finance and supply New Russia. It is possible that such ones have already been created, because I can’t believe that, now, decent (albeit slightly) armament has appeared in the Donbass from the flank. And, most likely, Russia needs to stop being ashamed of its actions and really help. It is possible in a veiled form. By the way, in terms of building management structures.
  7. +1
    2 2014 June
    But when in the western part of Ukraine the bandits were not called HEROES? Remember before the revolutionary years ... remember the revolution of 1914 ... remember the years of the Second World War ... This is the "great" sycophantic tradition of the Westerners
  8. 0
    2 2014 June
    Yes, in general, it hasn’t been so hot yet, so many people think they’ll sit out. But when the Bandera get to them, it will be too late. Then they will scream that Russia did not help them. And again we will be to blame
  9. Demon0n
    0
    2 2014 June
    The author ... You are mistaken in several logical chains that are based on incorrect premises.
    1) Inaction and degradation - is the natural state of man. Everything related to activity, evolution, requires effort and motivation (and, often, even stimulation, in addition to the first 2). This is the reason that a person will always find a billion, even the most absurd excuses, just to do nothing (meaning activity in the broadest sense).
    2) Everyone (... not so, but let ...) a person has a need to evaluate his personality through society - social status. Not just to evaluate, but to raise. This is the basis of social relations. Evaluation criteria may be natural and / or artificial. Naturally, a person is afraid not to live up to the expectations of society. This is the reason that most people remain passive.
    3) According to psychology, a person’s perception regarding extremely negative / undesirable information works by an extremely interesting method. Negative / unwanted factors are ignored, or the principle of resistance to new information (negation) works, especially if it contradicts existing information.
    If you try to draw conclusions from the above, you will get an amusing picture: "A person does not need IT. That is, he really does not need it." In this regard, if the author deigns to pay attention to a somewhat different area, the principles of information formation and methods of its transmission, based on psychology, have been and continue to be developed. What, in fact, are aggressive marketing, pedagogy and some other areas of activity based on ...
    A completely different issue is that the economic activity of the region should not stop (this is a banal question of elementary survival).
    In the Russian Federation (if it comes to that) it will be the same (the laws of psychology are the same everywhere).
  10. Ivan 63
    +7
    2 2014 June
    This is a reproach and a lesson to our and the special services and the Kremlin - mumble before these geeks is more expensive, it is time to revise the military doctrine for a long time.
  11. +7
    2 2014 June
    Here it is ... "Everyone (Russia) must and everyone (Russia) is to blame ... It is in Ukraine on both sides of the barricades. Mental infantilism, incompleteness, envy, enmity towards everyone who has" more and more "- it is And it was. It's a fact! I'm a Siberian by birth. Russian by education. Ethnically 1/2 Cossack, 1/2 Ukrainian. I have relatives in Ukraine. Except for the rare exception - "ne maemo bilshe in the mainland." Sho? That ni sho ! Even before the war, we talked. I was glad for their successes, I talked about our (family) achievements. In return, you have money falling from the sky in Russia. And we are hereditary Kiyans, much higher than you. Not clearly, but gradually it became there is no one to communicate with (with rare exceptions). Yes, ANYBODY WILL FALL OUT OF THE SKY! WORK, SWEAT, SMARK. Every ruble is not easy for them! They do not understand! exterminate, and they will RUN SHAME under the command of pimps.
  12. +4
    2 2014 June
    All the same, it turns out that without the help of Russia it will not be possible to organize on the necessary scale or to arm. There should be help if Russia (top leaders) wants us to have no anti-Russian fascist state in our neighbors.
  13. +2
    2 2014 June
    Not everything is so clear ... However, the miners came out, went on strike a couple of days, and again instead of barricades climbed into the mines. Although I do not understand kill them. In the city they lay down both children and the elderly and women in batches in graves and they go to work ?????
    1. -1
      2 2014 June
      Probably in black robes in protest. Like Czechs the whole WWII.
  14. -2
    2 2014 June
    I understood the glory of God from this article for which I got two minuses in the past — the miners ’guys rolled back, they’ll definitely rebel against hell knows who !!! And first they will replenish the accounts of KALOM2JSKI and AHM2TKINA, these poor people from the people have an obligation to help restore order, well, think about it they’ll shoot a couple of children and a couple of kolor2dov, they are not sorry, however not relatives request
  15. ilya_82
    +4
    2 2014 June
    no one has the moral right sitting on the couch to talk about what the residents of the Southeast should do. Your homeland was not taken away and you were not in their shoes therefore, sofa marshals, lie calmly on your sofas. with the first shots at you, you will manage it and most likely die
  16. +1
    2 2014 June
    Correctly the author says. And about social loneliness, and about the fact that
    A specific person, even if there is a desire and incentive, can’t just so easily jump in and go to war
    .
    And about many other things, but one thing is overlooked, namely, that the shells are already exploding in your city, they are killing your neighbors and others are dying so that they do not kill you. It's time for everyone to make a decision without looking at what the TV is talking about. It's even interesting how they (Donetsk residents, for example) imagine the consequences of everything for at least a couple of months in advance ??? I'm not saying that after reading a few more materials from Ukraine, I will throw everything away and go to fight there, but if "this" (God forbid) comes to my city, the decision will be made unambiguously. Who wants to call me "couch warrior", but I expressed my opinion. hi
  17. +3
    2 2014 June
    I really liked the example about building a house !!! The author is exactly a thinking realist !!! Article plus!
  18. msv
    +6
    2 2014 June
    A single person is the ideal of a consumer society. A virtual reality is created around him, in which he is told what to buy, who to vote for, what is fashionable today, and what is not interesting.

    ... This is the point!
  19. +2
    2 2014 June
    In any case, we will be to blame for a certain percentage of people living in Ukraine.
    Now in Ukraine there is a phase of increasing the contrast between people or increasing the potential difference. The higher the potential difference, the stronger the interaction (or bloodier in this case). Centers of contrasts are ideas around which people unite. Who generates these ideas? Everyone knows. Along the chain: the world behind the scenes -> local oligarchs -> the parties under their control. The people are, by and large, purple because of what the fuss. The main thing is to let him live. The question is why the pans do not let live, and now? Now, IMHO, because the work to instill a national identity, not parallel to the Russian, namely in spite of the Russian, has been going on for a very long time. The generation of people has changed, i.e. the percentage of loyal to us and opponents has changed for the worse for us. Why is all this happening? Proceeding from the fact that all financial and managerial processes in Ukraine and in Russia are in the hands of either overt or hidden liberals (read unpatriots), there is only one conclusion - the purpose of the whole mess is to create a deep stratification between Ukrainians and Russians. Deep enough so that Ukraine as our ally is not considered in the distant historical perspective. If the Ukrainians understood this, they would have long ago not beaten each other, but all those who are pushing them to a fratricidal war.
  20. +1
    2 2014 June
    I absolutely agree with the author about the need for immediate assistance to the rebel areas. It can be without a military banner, but persistent and consistent in everything else - from food and medicine, to utilities and education. This will be genuine fraternal help and will be an indelible contrast to the inhuman shelling and bestial nationalism of Kiev (not just Western Ukraine, but the capital!).
  21. bda
    bda
    +4
    2 2014 June
    Quote: moremansf
    Each nation makes its own story.

    We are one people.
    We have a common history.
    Now she is in the hands of only a few hundred militias in the Donbass.
  22. bda
    bda
    +1
    2 2014 June
    Quote: Demon0n
    Inaction and degradation - is the natural state of man


    Inaction and degradation is the natural state of a pig pig that is fed fat.
    If you do not want to be her, you have to think with your own head (in which the parents also put "what is good and what is bad") - any assessment of the situation is always carried out based on your value base.
    If you want to be fat-fed - your right.
  23. melnik
    +5
    2 2014 June
    The incomprehensible shyness of Russia is explained by the fact that it is afraid of its armed people, no less than they fear it in Kiev
  24. bda
    bda
    +4
    2 2014 June
    Quote: dmitriygorshkov
    dmitriygorshkov RU Today, 17:33 ↑

    Quote: vsoltan
    In any normal state there is censorship, so that the democrats would not yell

    Only not in Russia! I just came across an interesting resource! Drive Vitka satire and life into Yandex. I have no words! How can this exist ???


    There is censorship in Russia. And it is "Vitki" and other Shvonders who carry it out. Why did we "delegate" this to them? - Ask those who write comments about "Donbass residents sitting on the bottom" all day and night.
  25. bda
    bda
    +4
    2 2014 June
    This is today's battle of militias with border guards of the Lugansk border detachment (from the Interfax website).
    Border guards are supported by aviation.
    Militia - with a hunting rifle.
    Do those who like to talk about "miners sitting on the bottom" still have questions?
    1. yur
      yur
      +3
      2 2014 June
      Quote: bda
      Border guards are supported by aviation.
      Militia - with a hunting rifle.
      Do those who like to talk about "miners sitting on the bottom" still have questions?
      There is. When the question of non-payment of wages arose, tens of thousands of miners immediately went on strike. Question. Why should one "militia with a hunting rifle" protect all these healthy men from the Nazis? angry
  26. komrad.klim
    0
    2 2014 June
    I wish to write a lot of words ...
    I will refrain, confine myself to the Russian proverb -
    Simplicity is worse than theft
  27. 0
    2 2014 June
    Not everything is so straightforward, but everything is so confused that the devil’s legs will break (horny not to be remembered by night). What a wonderful script the overseas scriptwriters wrote, without a losing one consisting of two options for drawing Russia into the war. The first is when Russia introduces its own troops to the southeast, then NATO forces to Ukraine, and the whistle begins under the name of the third world war. The second option is when Russia throws the southeast to the mercy of fate and to the tear of the dill army and leaves the fight, the people of Russia felt pride for their country for ever and who wants to provide any necessary help to SE, having been deceived in their best feelings, refuses to trust the government and the president for betraying the interests of the Russian people and goes out onto the street. This is the second scenario. Everywhere you throw, everywhere a wedge.
  28. boris_britva
    -2
    2 2014 June
    When Putin chatted about the "Russian world", he forgot to mark its borders, i.e. where it begins and ends. It turns out that Crimea is the Russian world, and Donbass is not, following his understanding
  29. Alex donetsk
    0
    2 2014 June
    horseradish leader from gubarev and other Strelkov not to Donetsk. Neither mobilization of the state apparatus, nor Kiev. And they couldn’t really. The author is right to go to a gang where he didn’t serve?
  30. +6
    3 2014 June
    Quote: Ivan 63
    This is a reproach and a lesson to our and the special services and the Kremlin - mumble before these geeks is more expensive, it is time to revise the military doctrine for a long time.


    Our special services predicted such a development of events back in 2008, and by the way the USA warned then. The problem is that the Ukrainian rulers, including Yanukovych, bit a bit and almost immediately after the partition of the USSR they launched a pronounced anti-Russian policy. In the days of Kuchma, it almost came to a military conflict - do you remember Tuzla? already in the 2005 year, during the exercises of the Ukrainian army, red stars were drawn on helmets on targets ... As I understand it, the Kremlin chose the least of all evils - I managed to pick up the Crimea before it was turned into what is now in Donetsk .... Then Russia would get into the war back in March. Now poorly, poorly Lavrov and Putin are shaking the front created by the USA ... Not everything is as simple as it seems to us from the sofa and the kitchen.


    Quote: Thought Giant
    All the same, it turns out that without the help of Russia it will not be possible to organize on the necessary scale or to arm. There should be help if Russia (top leaders) wants us to have no anti-Russian fascist state in our neighbors.

    Are you sure that it is not ??? It exists and exists for a long time, but it doesn’t advertise ... If it weren’t, Strelkova would have been rolled up with his people a long time ago ... Even the help of intelligence from a satellite is a huge help.

    Quote: melnik
    The incomprehensible shyness of Russia is explained by the fact that it is afraid of its armed people, no less than they fear it in Kiev

    I think it is explained by the fact that you have not learned the lessons, go teach and do not interfere. It's nonsense and nonsense in Africa ....

    Quote: boris_britva
    When Putin chatted about the "Russian world", he forgot to mark its borders, i.e. where it begins and ends. It turns out that Crimea is the Russian world, and Donbass is not, following his understanding


    How cool it is to say something about Putin talking ... Sipping a beer, sucking mother’s tit ... Give at least one example of his idle talk ..... If you aren’t talking, then why not on the couch and not in the Donbass? I am disturbed by the age, the grandchildren of my sister took for a while from her in the Sumy region, unbroken fragments and consequences of shell shock, and you ????
    1. yur
      yur
      0
      5 2014 June
      Quote: Santor
      I am disturbed by the age, the grandchildren of my sister took for a while from her in the Sumy region, unbroken fragments and consequences of shell shock, and you ????
      + + + hi hi hi
  31. 0
    3 2014 June
    The ship was sailing. Something happened (not the essence) - began to sink. The crew began to fight for survivability. And passengers, with some exceptions, sat and waited. What? - And the fact that either the crew can handle it, or the rescuers will do.
    And the ship sank - the crew simply did not have enough strength, but the help did not have time ...
    Moral: If the ship is in trouble, there are no more passengers there. Everything is there - the crew.
    "Those who have not rowed and threw the oars, those are not easy to bring - it is so usual" - VS Vysotsky.
  32. 0
    3 2014 June
    Quote: from article
    A correctly asked question contains half the answer.


    The Japanese on this occasion say:
    To find out (to get to the bottom of ...) the answer, one should ask the question "why?" Seven times.

    The article is sensible.
  33. Polarfox
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    3 2014 June
    Found in the vast network:
    @mrzff: Greetings to drunken Russian-speaking Israelis with the phrase "Crimea is ours!" As a response from them comes: "And Donetsk region too." This is Tel Aviv baby
  34. INFOLegioner
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    3 2014 June
    everything is much worse than we would like. but not so bad either. is it not so clear?

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