Why empires collapse: from ancient Rome to Putin's Russia ("New Statesman", Great Britain)

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Moscow, when viewed through the eyes of a Westerner, does not particularly resemble Rome. But if there is a country in the world where one could feel the influence of the Roman ideal, then this is Russia.



When did the Roman Empire cease to exist? You can still find books on storieswhich give a very accurate answer to this question. The curtain for the Roman Empire, as is usually claimed, was closed on September 4 476, when a young man named Romulus Augustulus was formally deprived of the imperial regalia of the Gothic commander and went to rest in the area of ​​Naples. The peculiarity of his name in this particular version of the fall of Rome is a framing of a thousand-year-old Roman history perfect in character. Still, Romulus was the founder of the Eternal City, and Augustus was his first emperor. And now, after the overthrow of Augustus, that is, “little Augustus,” this imperial line was interrupted. The light was off. Antiquity ended, the era of the dark ages began.

In fact, almost all the options for determining the specific date of the fall of the Roman Empire on a particular 476 day of the year are incorrect. Speaking very meticulously, the title “the last Roman emperor of the West” should, in fact, belong not to Romulus Augustulus, but to the Balkan commander named Julius Nepos, who was killed in the 480 year.

Meanwhile, in Rome itself, as a whole, ordinary life continued. The elections of consuls, members of the Senate were held, and the chariot races were held in the Great Circus. The Roman Empire remained strong, and was the most prominent player in the Mediterranean region. Driven from a city specifically named Second Rome, she continued to be the most significant force of her time. Constantinople still had to be part of the Roman Empire for many centuries, but already as its capital.

It turned out, if not to go into details, that the fall of Rome occupies the same place in human history as dinosaurs in natural history: the main example of extinction, which, however, if looked closely, turns out to be more difficult than one could imagine. If it is true that, to some extent, birds are dinosaurs to some extent, then this shatters our understanding of the fall of asteroids at the end of the Cretaceous period as a kind of guillotine that descends on the neck of the Mesozoic era. The same can be said about the "Romanism" (romantitas), preserved in the Middle Ages, and possibly longer - this theory also casts doubt on the idea of ​​the Roman empire as a phenomenon exclusively of the ancient world that most of us have.

It is important, of course, not to go too far with your revisionism. Just as the finch is not a tyrannosaur, just as, say, England of the time of Rev. Bida (Bede) has absolutely no resemblance to the Roman province of Britain. Many historians prefer to use the term "transformation" to describe the decline of the Roman Empire, although it is hardly justified in defining this process. The gross facts of social decay are recorded both in the history of this period and in the remaining material objects. The imperial system that had existed for centuries collapsed under the influence of internal causes; barbarian states were built on the ruins of the former Roman provinces; paved roads, central heating and decent sewer systems have disappeared for a thousand years and more. In short, there is every reason to consider the fall of the Roman Empire in the West as something very similar to the fall of an asteroid, if we take a comparison from natural history.

The striking aspect of the fall of the Roman Empire — according to historian Aldo Schiavone, was “the biggest catastrophe in the history of civilization, a shift of incredible proportions” - even today it affects the instinctive perception of the term “empire” in the West. That which rises must fall. Most of us take it almost as a law in geopolitics, as well as in physics. Every Western country that ever received the status of an empire or a superpower, existed with an awareness of its own mortality.

In Britain, which only a century ago ruled the largest territories in the world in the history of mankind, there are special reasons for this. In the 1897 year, when the empire seemed to be at the height of its glory, and the sun never set in it, subordinate peoples from around the world gathered in London to celebrate Queen Victoria's brilliant anniversary. Rudyard Kipling, who is believed to have been praising the empire, wrote the poem “The Last Chant” (Recessional), which, however, turned out to be the exact opposite of hurray-patriotism. Instead, he described the future of the country in gloomy and (as it turned out) prophetic terms:

“Our fleet dies away;
Fire burns in the dunes and fields
Take a look - all our pride of yesterday
Like Nineveh and Tire! ”


Today in Washington, DC, the same concerns are voiced - and the example of Rome is often given openly. In 2007, the head of the United States Central Audit Office, David Walker, made a gloomy forecast about the prospects for the state. America, he argued, suffers from the same problems that we believe caused the fall of Rome: “the degradation of moral values ​​and political correctness in their own homes, overly confident and overly stretched military forces in foreign countries, as well as central fiscal irresponsibility government. "

Why empires collapse: from ancient Rome to Putin's Russia ("New Statesman", Great Britain)


American self-confidence after that seems to have regained some of the lost positions. Nonetheless, pessimism remains the default setting in the United States and in the West as a whole. When the state capital boasts the presence of the Senate and Capitol Hill, the example of the rise and fall of Rome will always be hidden somewhere in remote corners of consciousness.
However, those who consider it an inevitable fact of nature that all empires, sooner or later, share the fate of Rome, just look at the main American competitor for the title of hegemon of the 21 century in order to doubt their attitudes.

The People’s Republic of China, unlike the states of the modern West, clearly does not fit into the traditions of ancient empires. Three years ago, a professor at the National Defense University Colonel in Beijing named Liu Mingfu published a book about the future of China called The China Dream.

Already in the title itself clearly hinted at the ideal of the American dream, but its Chinese equivalent, as it turned out, consists of both a reliance on the past and a look into the future. Unity within the country, the projection of force abroad, an organic combination of soft and hard power: all this, according to the Chinese colonel, is the DNA of Chinese greatness. How does he know that? And why does he refer to the ancient history - first of all, for example, Qin Shi Huangdi (Qin Shi Huangdi), the so-called first emperor, who in the 3 century before the birth of Christ united China, began the construction of the Great Wall of China, and also set the pattern leadership, which even Mao admired?

It is as if American commentators, who are trying to determine the future course of a country, would take Caesar Augustus as a model. The reason they never do this is on the surface. The United States, despite the fact that they have both the Senate and the Capitol, by the type of their self-consciousness is a young country located in the new world. While China is an ancient country, and it is aware of its antiquity. Dynasties come and go, waves of barbarians roll over the country again and again, the emperor himself can be replaced by the general secretary - but there is no gap between Xi Jinping and the First Emperor, like what separates Barack Obama from ancient Rome. The “Chinese dream” in its essence is simply a dream, according to which the “Middle Kingdom” should once again receive what many Chinese consider it an ancient birthright - global supremacy and a place in the very center of world affairs.

Here taste is felt - a very light, very tantalizing taste of something contradictory to reality, and Rome has never found itself in a similar situation. China was able to survive the conquest of the Mongols and Manchus, which indicates how deep the roots of civilization can be. And what can be said about the Romans of the heyday of the empire: did they have the same sense of confidence in the eternal existence of the empire that the Chinese have observed throughout history? And if it was, what happened to him?

People in antiquity, of course, knew that civilizations could experience ups and downs. In a sense, this is the great geopolitical topic in the Bible. The book of Daniel says that he saw four beasts appearing one after another from the raging sea, and then the angel explains to him that each of them represents a certain kingdom. The fourth beast, according to Daniel, symbolizes the most powerful empire of all; and, nevertheless, it will also be destroyed and “committed to burning fire”. Gold and purple in the Bible are considered only a shroud of this greatness.

The Greeks, who took into account the previous looting of Troy, also understood very well how impermanent greatness could be. Herodot - the first person who tried to show how and why empires succeeded each other and did it without resorting mainly to gods to explain the reasons - frames his great history with arguments about the fragility of civilizations: “Great and minor things should be discussed”, - he marks the beginning of his first book. “After all, many great cities in the past have now become small, and those that still in my memory have gained power, were previously insignificant. And since I know that human beings and prosperity rarely coexist for a long time, I will mention the fate of those and others alike. ”

Then, in one of the most recent paragraphs of his history, he expounds what, in essence, is the first materialistic theory explaining why civilizations rise and fall. The Persians, having conquered a great empire, wanted to retire from their harsh mountains and settle on richer land - but their king, Cyrus, forbade them to do so. “The soft land begets soft people,” he said. This perspective Herodotus traces throughout his story about the vicissitudes of civilization, and he uses it to explain why the Persians were able to conquer the Lydians, the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and all this was ultimately done in order to suffer defeat from the poor, but persistent greeks. In his book, written at a time when Athens was at the height of its glory, there is a caution in a hidden form: the Athenians, of course, will be in the same place as the other great powers.

The Romans signaled their own appearance in the international arena by participating in three terrible wars with their rivals in the western Mediterranean - the Carthaginians. At the end of the third Punic War, in 146, before the birth of Christ, they managed to capture Carthage and level it with the ground. This was the great realization of Rome’s military objectives. In 216, before the birth of Christ, Hannibal, the most prominent general from Carthage, almost defeated the Romans - for them it was the touch of a civilized death, which they will never forget.

In these circumstances, the destruction of the most dangerous enemy of the Romans was a moment of exultation. Nevertheless, the Roman commander who burned Carthage is said to be crying while watching the burning city, and quoting Homer's lines about the fall of Troy. Then he turned to his Greek comrade. “I have a bad feeling that one day the same fate will befall my country,” he admitted.

The Romans continued to expand their possessions in the Mediterranean region, but at that time many hoped that this presentiment was true. Rome was a cruel and domineering ruler, and a growing number of more ancient civilizations were very unhappy with its autocratic rule. The Greek traditions of the prophets began to mix with the Jewish in predicting the inevitable destruction of the Roman Empire. "Civil unrest will swallow up the Roman people, and everything will collapse," was the meaning of the predictions.

A century after the burning of Carthage, in the middle of the 1 century before the birth of Christ, it seemed that the oracles were not mistaken. Rome and his empire were engulfed in civil war. During one particularly bloody military campaign, it was found that a quarter of all citizens of military age fought on one side or the other. Not surprisingly, against the backdrop of such bloody events, even the Romans dared to discuss the end of the empire. "The Roman state, like all states, is doomed to death." So wrote the poet Virgil, who witnessed the horrors of his age.

However, the Roman state did not die. In the end, the civil war that lasted for decades has ended, and a new and universal era of peace has been proclaimed. Rome, as well as the world known at that time, came under the rule of one person - Emperor Caesar Augustus: he was the first person from a long succession of imperatores, “victorious generals-emperors”.

Virgil, perhaps because he dared to look into the abyss of civil war and understood what anarchy means, turned out to be a very valuable herald of the new century. He reminded the Romans of their god-given fate - "to help establish peace, spare the vanquished and overthrow the arrogant means of war."

By the time when Rome in 248, after the birth of Christ, celebrated its thousandth anniversary, the idea that the reign of this city was forever was taken for granted by a large majority of its subjects, most of whom considered themselves Romans by that moment. “Everywhere,” said one resident of the province, addressing the Eternal City, “you have made the most perfect and powerful people among the noblest citizens. The whole world is decorated with you, like a garden of pleasure. ”

Over time, this garden will be overgrown with prickly shrubs and weeds. Invaders will tear apart the fence. New owners will share most of it among themselves.

However, the dream of Rome has not disappeared. Her influence was too strong for that. The Goths, striving for conquest, wanted to be like the Romans - and only the poor Romans wanted to be like the ready. " So said Theodoric, the successor to the king, who ousted Romulus Augustulus: this man had a German type of mustache, but he wore clothes and insignia of Caesar. He was not the first barbarian in the history of Rome - the splendor of his monuments, the vastness of his influence, the sheer scale of his claims - all this was the only conceivable model to follow, which the ruler could use to raise his status.

In fact, it can be said that the whole history of the West in the early Middle Ages is best understood as a series of attempts by various military rulers to align the greatness of Roman ambitions with the paucity of their resources. There was Charlemagne, who was not only crowned as an emperor at Christmas on 800, the birth of Christ, but also brought columns from the city for his own capital in Aachen. There was also Otto I, a great warrior and king of the Saxons, a courageous man with a fierce temper who was also crowned in 962 in Rome. The imperial line established by them was interrupted only in 1806, when the Holy Roman Empire, as it was called in 13, was destroyed by Napoleon.

“Not a sacred, not a Roman or an empire,” Voltaire remarked sarcastically at the time. However, this joke was not entirely fair. There were periods when she answered all the qualities listed. Otto III, a grandson who bore the same name as the old Saxon king, crowned in 996 and ruled the Christian world during the celebration of the millennium of the birth of Christ, was supremely Roman emperor.

He lived on the Palatine Hill, like Augustus a thousand years before him; he reintroduced the title of "consul" and "senator". He was engaged to a princess from Second Rome, Constantinople. Otto III died in the 1002 year, on the eve of his wedding, which could have contributed to the unification of the eastern and western empires, but remained in a series of great assumptions like: “what would happen if”. Otto III’s ambition to restore the Roman Empire was an important topic during his reign. It is very tempting to think about what could happen if he united his empire with the Eastern Roman Empire - with the empire, which, unlike his own, led his line of origin directly from Ancient Rome.

Today, when we use the adjective “Byzantine” to describe this empire, we run the risk of not noticing the extent to which the people we call “Byzantines” felt like Romaioi, that is, the Romans. However, they did not mean Rome of Julius Caesar or Cicero, but Rome of the great Christian emperors: Constantine, the founder of their capital, Theodosius the Great, who at the end of the 4 century turned out to be the last person to rule both the eastern and western parts of the empire. In this sense, it was the capital of the Roman Empire that was captured by Mehmed II, the Turkish Sultan, when he stormed the high walls of the city built by the grandson of Theodosius a thousand years ago around the city of Constantinople, the “king among the capitals”, in 1453. The last conquered part of the territory of the Roman Empire was the small state of Trebizond, which in 1461 was absorbed by the Ottoman Empire. In the end, the story that began more than 2000 years ago in the hills near the Tiber, put an end to the Turkish weapons on the shores of the Black Sea.

But is it really? The Turks were not the first to besiege Constantinople. In 941, the soldiers-mercenaries, known as “Russia,” the same Vikings, who traveled a long way along the rivers from the Baltic Sea to the Bosphorus, also attacked this city. Their attack ended in failure, but the city of Miclagard, the golden capital of Caesar, continued to excite their imagination. In 986, one of their princes sent a delegation there for informational purposes. Vladimir was the ruler of the border city of Kiev, which was not distinguished by its special grace. He decided that it was time for him to join the community of states.


The fresco "The Baptism of Prince Vladimir." V.M. Vasnetsov, Vladimir Cathedral in Kiev (the end of 1880-x)


But what was this community? He invited the Jews into his court, but after talking with them he said that the loss of Jerusalem was a sign that God had left them. He invited the Muslims, but was rather surprised that their religion forbids them to eat pork and drink wine (he openly told them: “Drinking is the joy of Russia”). Then he sent representatives to western churches, and they told him that they "saw the beauty." Only in Constantinople, in the great Cathedral of Saint Sophia, did the envoys of Vladimir see a performance worthy of the ambitions of their ruler.

“We did not know whether we were in heaven or on earth at that time: there is no such beauty on earth that we saw there. We only know that God is there with people ... we cannot forget the beauty of that. ”

Thus began the commitment of Russia to the Orthodox faith of the Second Rome, and this choice will have serious consequences right up to the present day. Vladimir, shortly before his decision to send envoys, recaptured the city of Chersonesos from Crimea, a city that was originally founded by a Greek colony as early as the 6 century before the birth of Christ. He returned it to the emperor, and in exchange, as they say, was baptized in this city, and also received Caesar's sister as his wife. It was a very important step. Never before did Byzantine princesses marry barbarians. And Russia will never forget this precedent. In the 1472 year, almost two decades after the Turks seized Constantinople, the niece of the last emperor of the Second Empire married the ruler of Moscow Ivan III. “Two Romes have fallen,” the Russian monk sternly said in 1510 to their son. “However, the Third Rome stands, and the fourth does not happen.”

Moscow, from the point of view of the West, is not very similar to Rome. There is no Senate, no Capitol Hill. There are no such buildings, which are in Paris or in Washington, and which would be similar to the Rome of Augustus. But, nevertheless, if there is a country in the world where the influence of the Roman ideals would have noticeably affected the policies of its leaders, then this is Russia. In the 1783 year, when Catherine the Great annexed Crimea, this was done as an obvious realization of the Roman dream - the dream of restoring the Byzantine Empire under the double-headed eagle on its coat of arms. “The lands on which Alexander and Pompeii, so to speak, only looked, you tied them to the Russian scepter,” Potemkin wrote to her. “And Chersonese is the source of our Christianity, and therefore our stucco is now in your hands.” No one has yet written such words to Putin, but if someone would have done this, it would not be completely unexpected.

Today, here in the West, the dreams of restoring the Roman Empire have forever sunk into oblivion. The shadows they cast are too dark. The latest political philosophy, which was inspired by them and even got its name from a bundle of rozok with an ax in the clothing of bodyguards of the Roman judges, was developed only in the 20 century - this is fascism. Together with Mussolini and Hitler, this thousand-year tradition of turning the West to the Roman Empire as its model reached its monstrous climax, and then ceased to exist.

But if the First Rome no longer exists, as does the Second Rome, the Third Rome, as it turned out, unexpectedly retained the ability to rise from its grave. Even in the 21 century, the Roman Empire still clings to a kind of phantom life after death.
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  1. Andrenaline
    +38
    31 May 2014 14: 59
    Russia is reborn is a fact! good
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    2. +103
      31 May 2014 15: 12
      Russia can not be not Putin’s not Gorbachev’s not Yeltsin’s, etc. Mother Russia always remains by itself! And the rulers are all for the second time ..
      1. Andrenaline
        +27
        31 May 2014 15: 25
        I completely agree. And all the hysteria from the West only confirms that the Russian people are more united than ever and is raising its head. They are afraid of us, they are afraid of aggression from our ghostly side, they are afraid for their gay asses, they are afraid of our positions. For a long time you can list ...
      2. +3
        31 May 2014 15: 27
        do not tell !!!! But what about, Vladimir, Petrovskaya, Catherine.
        1. +48
          31 May 2014 15: 43
          Take a look friends! Serbian football fans! Serb brother!crying

          Flag of the DPR, to the left of the poster with one of the leaders of Delieux (Crvena Zvezda) Velibor Dunzhich who died recently

          "Bella Ciao" performed by fans of Crvena Zvezda (DNR flag is present) at the championship match in Belgrade on Marakana on May 26:
          1. -34
            31 May 2014 16: 51
            Here is someone who needs to learn how to organize protests and solidarity. First, the Serbs were merged, now we are merging the people of New Russia, then do not be surprised if we sit in trenches on the Volga River.
            1. +39
              31 May 2014 16: 58
              If merged, then long ago banderlogs would be hosted in the Southeast, don’t know, do not fart.
              1. +2
                31 May 2014 18: 38
                19th century. Poland and Finland as part of the Russian Empire. Border with the West on the border with Poland. Century 20. Border with the West on the border of Ukraine and Belarus with Poland. 21 century. The question is where the border with the West will be, in the same place as in the century 20, or in the Rostov region.
                1. +17
                  31 May 2014 18: 48
                  17th century border near Moscow!
                  the further we retreated, the more we took!
                  1. GDP
                    +1
                    1 June 2014 14: 22
                    the further we retreated, the more we took!

                    Place for takeoff left :)
                  2. GDP
                    0
                    1 June 2014 14: 22
                    the further we retreated, the more we took!

                    Place for takeoff left :)
                2. green
                  +7
                  31 May 2014 21: 17
                  With Spain!
                  Leave it to the West and the Arabs!
                  Le Pen Marie will help us))))))))))
                  1. 0
                    1 June 2014 02: 57
                    Quote: zali
                    With Spain!
                    Leave it to the West and the Arabs!
                    Le Pen Marie will help us))))))))))

                    Come on, they are in FIG, European countries, including Poland, let them live independently. Only in the constitutions will we write down a clause for them that they cannot harm Russia in any way, or even just look askance at us, and the clause cannot be canceled or changed by any vote. Otherwise, we should have the right to come and "sort it out" (like the USSR had with Iran).
              2. +6
                31 May 2014 20: 39
                Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
                don't know don't fart.

                Well, you are obviously in the know! Come on, remember the night throw of our Pskov Airborne Division to Belgrade ?! Who then prevented us from taking control of the situation ?! And now a single Yugoslavia would continue to live! Yeltsin scared ... they don’t speak badly of the departed, but FACT! MERGED THEN YUGOSLAVIA!
                It is difficult to merge New Russia, because it is still holding itself. How long will it last, without serious support? ..
                1. green
                  +3
                  31 May 2014 21: 18
                  Then in the Kremlin sat 100 percent. liberal Westerners, that's leaked ...
                2. BYV
                  0
                  1 June 2014 03: 53
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Who then prevented us from taking control of the situation ?!

                  Dear, before asking such questions, remember who was in power then. Add to this the economic situation of Russia and multiply by the real state of the army.
                  Quote: avia1991
                  It is difficult to merge New Russia, because it is still holding itself. How long will it last, without serious support? ..

                  And what do you think, how long would a handful of poorly armed militia hold out against the entire Ukrainian army? Where did the militia come from ATGMs? Just do not need about military units. Strelkov recently mentioned that they were well guarded, so they are being stormed only now. We support the militia, and this is a FACT.
                  1. rereture
                    +2
                    1 June 2014 15: 33
                    And what do you think, how long would a handful of poorly armed militia hold out against the entire Ukrainian army? Where did the militia come from ATGMs? Just do not need about military units. Strelkov recently mentioned that they were well guarded, so they are being stormed only now. We support the militia, and this is a FACT.


                    ATGMs and MANPADS were taken from army depots. Do you really think that the Ukrainian army did not have armaments of the 80s type?
                    And the whole butch began when one of the military units switched to the side of the militia. And maybe we support it, but then Putin’s words contradict his actions.
                  2. +1
                    1 June 2014 15: 42
                    Quote: BYV
                    We support the militia, and this is a FACT.

                    Dear, if you wrote "from there" - maybe I would have doubted. But I have direct information “from there”, my acquaintance, thank God, is alive, and the Afghan experience is recalled, I believe that he will safely return to his family after the Victory. But the problem is that you cannot see support from Russia "there". Where does the ATGM come from? First of all, trophy. There are also Jews who will "get it" for money, whatever you want, it doesn't matter to them WHOM to sell - as long as they pay. A couple of them were brought from Russia - but they said that some businessman (a bandit?) Gave them .. Judging by the terms of delivery, it was a complete amateur performance. This is so - in short. There are still options, but I will not say - it is undesirable for now.
                    I myself would very much like to believe that Russia, in the person of state power, is secretly trying to support the Donbass! Alas - the facts speak otherwise.
            2. +7
              31 May 2014 18: 58
              Quote: Kilo-11
              Here is someone who needs to learn how to organize protests and solidarity. First, the Serbs were merged, now we are merging the people of New Russia, then do not be surprised if we sit in trenches on the Volga River.

              Actually, a war is going on in New Russia and, according to the law of war, alarmists are shot first. Judging by the assessment of your comment, you have already scored a firing squad if we were not in the vastness of the network but in the trench! And if the General Staff and the Kremlin with GDP have not personally notified you of their plans, this does not mean that everything will go according to your scenario!
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            7. joum
              +3
              31 May 2014 22: 20

              Provocateurs about draining
              1. Andrenaline
                +1
                1 June 2014 00: 10
                Good and right words! One sad time = human lives and Russian blood. I understand both opinions - it seems impossible to do it in a rage, but the soul is torn to pieces from what it saw. He fought and I know what kind of blood pressure.
            8. Tolerast
              0
              31 May 2014 22: 31
              It’s good that my president is Putin, not you.
              Passing for an opinion that does not coincide with your own is not a buzz. Everyone has the right to speak out except for the fascists. On them let my beretta speak tongue
              Keep a plus, although you do not deserve it. Such is the tolerance crying
            9. +1
              31 May 2014 22: 47
              you need to turn to a psychiatrist laughing
              1. Tolerast
                +1
                31 May 2014 23: 08
                Yes, I know how it looks from the outside wassat I don’t need to see a psychiatrist, but I regularly communicate with my psychologist. Hot stuff good And also "with regards" bully
                PSYou plus for worrying about my mental health drinks
            10. 0
              1 June 2014 02: 45
              Quote: Kilo-11
              Here is someone who needs to learn how to organize protests and solidarity. First, the Serbs were merged, now we are merging the people of New Russia, then do not be surprised if we sit in trenches on the Volga River.

              Any ruler of Russia (Russia), regardless of its ethnic origin, either becomes truly Russian and gives all its strength to strengthen it or is rejected by it, but it still remains, finds a new ruler and inevitably recovers, or even expands. The Russian Federation is only a part of Russia and it (Russia) is eager for restoration, the name (Russia, Muscovy, RI, USSR) is not the main thing (if only not an amorphous CIS).
              1. 0
                1 June 2014 12: 44
                Exactly! And, perhaps, more: any person striving with his soul with love and pure thoughts to comprehend (not to be confused with "understand") Russia - becomes RUSSIAN in spirit. Here, about the "Chinese Kingdom" - the article correctly says, it stands on the number of people. We would simply realize that our NORTHERN polar Russian Kingdom IS and is supported by a mighty SPIRIT, comprehended by love. And the empires of the West are mortal because they are built only on human reasoning and aggression, they do not have a stable internal nature, unlike Russia and China.
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          2. +5
            31 May 2014 18: 44
            I believe and we will learn so! We already sing the anthem! It’s a pity that Brothers are far from us! not when pi n dos would crush them for themselves!
        2. 0
          31 May 2014 18: 41
          Age, but not Russia
        3. 0
          1 June 2014 02: 23
          Quote: v245721
          do not tell !!!! But what about, Vladimir, Petrovskaya, Catherine.

          So what? These are just "scholarly" names (purely for convenience) of certain periods in the history of Rus, and not at all different states.
      3. Djein
        0
        31 May 2014 16: 42
        Quote: MIKHAN
        ..Russia mother always remains by itself ...


        Of course ... what is it .. ??? Well, she didn’t put it in its proper place and didn’t send it to the right place and marked the battle, but let them do it ....,
        allowed such experiments on itself .... and everything else that flourishes in our country ... allows BE ... ... ???
        Put on a par with them V.V. Putin ... the roof is going completely ... you are by chance not from fan-fans who are expelled from the stands ... ???
        If you rise from your knees, (you still have to rise, this is a big difference ...) then prove it by deeds, not shouts, putting pluses to each other ... Sober, sober .... One fifth column is worth ...
        geeks were born ... (not brought from America by the way) ... Maybe you ... such dashing guys will quickly figure it out ... ??? You should be more modest in every way .... You can put cons ... mail for honor ...
        1. Gloria45
          +9
          31 May 2014 18: 20
          Of course ... what is it .. ??? Well, she didn’t put it in its proper place and didn’t send it to the right place and marked the battle, but let them do it ....,
          allowed such experiments on itself .... and everything else that flourishes in our country ... allows BE ... ... ???

          And in your opinion, is Russia something ephemeral, living on its own?
          I was always surprised and surprised by the position when: "I am good, now if the state were different and the government, the fence would be exactly right for me"
          The state of Russia is you and I need to pose the question not in the third, but in the first person. Remember Professor Preobrazhensky? Devastation ... old woman with a stick ... and so on. according to the text ... When each of us will knock out devastation from our heads,
          there will be no ruin. Each of us has a responsibility for our history. And each of us is the best lawyer who justifies energy, laziness, inaction
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      5. +10
        31 May 2014 17: 44
        The rulers come and go, and RUSSIA will live and will live. True, some rulers go down in history, while others get involved ...
      6. 0
        31 May 2014 19: 26
        depends on the ruler wants development will not want will not be a human factor whether he is ok
      7. platitsyn70
        0
        31 May 2014 19: 26
        Russia can not be not Putin’s not Gorbachev’s not Yeltsin’s, etc. Mother Russia always remains by itself! And the rulers are all for the second time ..
        and he is a Russian man and a man in Africa, not Western cattle which is fed up in the center of the city as Baltic defenders.
      8. +1
        31 May 2014 20: 20
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Russia can not be not Putin’s not Gorbachev’s not Yeltsin’s, etc. Mother Russia always remains by itself! And the rulers are all for the second time ..

        This is an immutable eternal Truth! He who does not heed will turn into nothing himself.
      9. green
        +1
        31 May 2014 21: 13
        Russia is just beginning to get up from its knees - it will show the Anglo-Saxons more "Kuzkin's mother"!
        You will be a "phantom"!
      10. +1
        1 June 2014 00: 01
        But this affiliation (Putin's, Stalin's, Petrovsky's) very much determines being.
      11. elmonje
        0
        3 June 2014 11: 14
        Something the people have cluttered the text, and yet it is a very interesting topic, which probably determines our future. If anyone would be interested in deepening, so to speak, then study the topic of the Romance Vasileus, this is like an introduction to the topic of the article. Understanding the true greatness of Russia is very important. Paper jerboa will fall sooner or later, and we will have to give the world something special, and contrast this with egoism, dullness and a reckless passion for death, in all its manifestations. Russia has the future of the world and such responsibility implies a deep and thorough approach, first of all, to the history of its people, to the realization of the most important details of our path.
    3. +40
      31 May 2014 15: 40
      No empire built on lies and oppression lasted long. If the author wants to say that the USA is an empire, then I disagree with him, the USA is a bunch of moneybags trying to crush the whole world for themselves. Comparison of the historians of Moscow with the third Rome is also not correct, we have our own history, our own faith and our own path. We do not need to "cover up" us with the West. I believe that the revival will come from Russia, but what does the West have to do with it? I once wrote this verse:

      Darwin the Englishman was wrong
      There are flaws in his "Origin"
      There was a Slavic world primordial
      There were monkeys in the west!

      Everything that is happening in the west and in dill now confirms this. hi
      1. Ishtan
        +1
        31 May 2014 19: 01
        With Rome, the comparison is figurative, and the image itself is a great Empire. There is nothing wrong with comparing Moscow and Rome
    4. Nikita_Pilot
      +3
      31 May 2014 16: 07
      This is a rebirth of reality and future!
      1. +8
        31 May 2014 16: 33
        Russia, Russia is still America and the rest will survive.
        1. Gloria45
          +16
          31 May 2014 17: 35
          Maybe I'm not far off, but with all my love of history, in this article, except for water, I could not draw anything for myself.
          And even some things, namely:
          Moscow, from the point of view of the West, is not very similar to Rome. There is no Senate, no Capitol Hill. There are no buildings that are in Paris or Washington, which would look like Rome since the time of Augustus. But, nevertheless, if there is a country in the world where the influence of Roman ideals would noticeably affect the policies of its leaders, then this is Russia.
          to put it mildly, they sound insulting to Russia .... today's Rome cannot stand any comparison with our Holy Orthodox Russia.
          Well, I probably project information on the events of modern history and politics. I do not know very well the architecture and history of the founding of Washington, but something tells me that he is far from Paris.
          There you have it, Rome today tomorrow. laughing
          1. +1
            31 May 2014 20: 05
            Gloria45
            Well, the farthest person is afraid to recognize you near. :))) And do not be shy - you know perfectly well that a tremendous clever woman. wink
            1. Gloria45
              +2
              31 May 2014 21: 49
              Thank you very much, I am talking here, with you, as with my family, I know that they will understand me without further ado, scolded me, if necessary and praised, a kind word and a cat is pleased! hi
              1. +1
                31 May 2014 22: 24
                Gloria45
                Come on, why, thank you .... statement of fact ... I just do not get tired of wondering -women on this site -you, as a selection - the intelligence is much higher than average .... and much higher, than the general peasant background of the site:))) ... are you being selected? :)))
                Therefore, we should be grateful to you for coming here to us ... And you work with our eyes in France :))) and, by the way, post interesting materials.
                But what is it, from a hostile environment, or one that doesn’t share your ideals, to get to one’s own, even to the site, I understand perfectly, I have almost all my relatives living like that ... well, if you exclude the one that considers Russian incidents Hell ... there are a lot of such people too :) But when Mom comes to me, she likes to hang around - be surprised - on the Kaliningrad market - just like that, because she doesn’t need anything, she’s well enough, everyone would ... says - around-Russian speech, I would listen and listen .... when I return, picks up a whole bag of our newspapers, consider subversive literature :))) since it is one thing to poke, and a completely different thing to hold RUSSIAN NEWSPAPER in my hands .... and I do not exaggerate ... So it goes...
                1. Gloria45
                  +1
                  1 June 2014 01: 20
                  Oh ... everyone brags about your feedback to their boys ... and thanks again! smile
                  1. +1
                    1 June 2014 02: 25
                    Gloria45
                    You have to brag to the boys always! And by the way, it will always be pleasant and useful for husband and sons to find out that their Mom and Wife are valued ... so to speak, from the outside of the family .... and in general, if you brag a lot about the boys, then they will stop pulling pigtails, and They will follow you in a jamb and demonstrate what kind of fellow they are .... have they really forgotten their youth? :))) So nothing has changed .... :))))
                    Julia, jokes with jokes, but you really are a great clever, and there’s nothing to thank here ... it's just very good that we have such colleagues on the site, here.
                    Okay hello to the boys! :)))
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    5. +2
      31 May 2014 17: 32
      Quote: Andrenaline
      Russia is reborn is a fact!

      Certainly! Russia is reborn like a phoenix from its own ashes ... And always. By the way, this makes us something in common with China - no matter who tries to conquer us, no matter what upheavals our country experiences inside - it will still recover, albeit in a slightly different form, but it will be so. This arrogant Englishwoman who has read a couple of the most widespread myths about our history in the West, and on this builds his analogies about Russia as a kind of "ghost of the Roman Empire", although something that can be called "Rome" of our time is the United States - well, everything is like that of the Romans - both cruelty and debauchery, etc ...
      It seems that they didn’t understand in the West that Russia is a whole civilization, just consisting of only one state (now it’s true, some territories have been torn from it), and this civilization has a unique ability to recover even after the most terrible cataclysms that are at its root Western empires are being cut down, and our country is just being reborn ...
      But the United States, apparently because of its "youth", as the "author" himself writes, does not seem to have brains and, like clever Chinese, do not refer to ancient history (but should be) and therefore make absolutely the same mistakes as ancient Rome, and their end is likely to be the same ...
      1. +11
        31 May 2014 17: 40
        “In 941, mercenary soldiers known as 'Rus', or Vikings who had traveled a long way along the rivers from the Baltic Sea to the Bosphorus, also attacked this city. Their attack ended in failure, but the city of Miklagard, the golden capital of Caesar, continued to excite them imagination"

        The author has incomprehensible historical sources ... http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/970/tewf262.jpg
        I also forgot where they pin it up?)))
        1. +5
          31 May 2014 19: 03
          the first campaign of Prince Oleg to Constantinople (Constantinople). I don't remember the date - after the death of Rurik, i.e. the end of the 9th century AD. The cunning Byzantines imposed an additional tax on our merchants. Prince Oleg took this as a personal insult and ... in general, the case ended in a pogrom. By the way, in this campaign, the first case in history of the use of "amphibious amphibious units" was recorded - a couple of hundred rooks were put on wheels by Oleg's order, which made it possible to avoid losses when throwing to the walls of Constantinople))
        2. +3
          31 May 2014 22: 27
          Quote: Oprychnik
          The author has incomprehensible historical sources.

          The author, alas, alas, like the vast majority of Western historians and Western people in general, draws information not from real sources, but from invented stereotypes about other nations, including about us. It’s their tradition to belittle strangers in order to seem themselves outstanding to themselves. As they say, they invented fairy tales about our wretchedness, but they themselves believed in them sacredly ... And now we are surprised. that they cannot understand Russia, because they take their stereotypes about Russia for the truth, that’s the conclusion.
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    6. +5
      31 May 2014 18: 18
      Hmm ... STATES half the world under themselves crushed and we are accused of AGGRESSION ... PPC !!!
      1. +9
        31 May 2014 18: 30
        Dear Armageddon! Reading a few days of your comments, I got a strong feeling that you are an ardent skeptic, and what a wow! laughing I have nothing against it, but your Hmm ... at the beginning of each sentence? Do not consider it an insult wassat You are a plus!
        1. +3
          31 May 2014 18: 39
          Hmm ... That is what it is ... A SKEPTIC-DISAPPOINTED OPTIMIST ... !!! But I CAN DELIVER HA AND !!! PLUS YOU! Nice ... damn it !!!
          1. +7
            31 May 2014 18: 45
            Ek, you wrapped up - a disappointed optimist! Why so? Has life cracked? hi
            1. +2
              31 May 2014 19: 17
              Vladimir ... No- LIFE EXPERIENCE LEARNED ... Unfortunately, the millennia of evolution-Humanity taught little to anything ... NOT THAT IS NOT NEW - UNDER THE MOON !!!
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      2. +1
        31 May 2014 19: 36
        Quote: Armagedon
        Hmm ... STATES half the world under themselves crushed and we are accused of AGGRESSION ... PPC !!!

        And their soldiers consider themselves with the legionnaires of the empire and this is a fact!
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    8. +16
      31 May 2014 18: 42
      Even cats understand this)))

  2. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 00
    The fascist United States is the third and last Rome, and then only GREAT RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. +14
      31 May 2014 15: 26
      No USA is not the Third Rome, to be Rome you need to be united by a common philosophy, culture, ideology. What does America have besides believing in its own exclusiveness?
      But it is precisely this belief in one's own exclusiveness that is the beginning of the end of any empire. The sooner it appears, the faster the collapse of the empire !. I hope there is no need to cite parallels with Germany, France, Japan. Even the Soviet empire fell apart, believing in its own exclusiveness. It is necessary to work, and not to engage in narcissism. The Chinese have won over all this for years, not considering themselves the pinnacle of the universe. Do not forget about this and us!
      1. +10
        31 May 2014 15: 40
        America has faith in money. The future belongs to Russia and its people.
    2. Djein
      +2
      31 May 2014 15: 52
      Quote: mig31
      and then only GREAT RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


      Are you completely off the coils ... ??? Did you even understand what you wrote ... Are you really stoned ...? What are you doing ...? who are you ... where from ....?
      Those who put the pluses, you at least delved into what was written or you have more bravado than brains ... ??? Where you have suffered ... Have at least some brakes ....
      1. +3
        31 May 2014 16: 51
        Quote: Djein
        Have at least some brakes ...

        a very sensible thought! for modesty is not punishable, Holy Scripture calls for this (Orthodox faith).
      2. +2
        31 May 2014 17: 13
        America with its junta moved out of coils in Kiev, the CIA has long had a plan to launch a nuclear strike against Russia, but it’s not a task, Russia will not answer a little, and I’m the one from whom indigestion regularly occurred in the eighties and early nineties, and still, my students have shut up the amers in their belts, and they don’t even think about their exclusivity. PS Son, one must not only love, but also protect ...
      3. -4
        31 May 2014 18: 12
        Calm down .... with Great China and Great Ukraine ... with Great Georgia and .... Estonia with Lithuania.
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  3. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 03
    It is a pity that the return of the monarchy in Russia is not possible in the coming decades, I think we cannot become a great country under the current form of government, Putin has more hands tied, and this plays into the hands of our enemies.
    1. +8
      31 May 2014 15: 38
      A very controversial issue. If we are talking about a monarch as a symbol, then it is possible, if about a monarch-ruler - God forbid. In matters of country management, you cannot rely on chance. Not every heir will be "Peter the Great" or "Vladimir Putin". Among them may well be "Fyodor Ioanovich" and "Ioan Alekseevich." Weak rulers in the absence of choice only in the 20th century at least twice (in 1917 and in 1991) put the country on the brink of survival. The Time of Troubles is also a consequence of the imperfection of the monarchy. And there are plenty of other examples. So I am for the choice.
      Yes, and whom to put the monarch? Putin will not go and he has no sons (at least officially), and the Romanovs have long turned into the Hohenzollers.
      1. -16
        31 May 2014 16: 53
        Do not put Peter the Great and Putin in one row. Peter the Great did not include the back!
        1. +5
          31 May 2014 18: 34
          In order to talk about the actions of others, you need to rise a little above life, and then you can see the rubble, invisible to an ordinary man in the street, on either path. Here you whine that troops are not being brought in. And the most feeble wave of a volunteer across the border to help the DPR and LPR ?. Now you can win in this situation, well, only with a very unexpected and original move (it's not over yet), or you can break the woods by waving your sword to the left and to the right. Until the entire people of Donbass rise to fight the junta, the introduction of troops will look like a dumb adventure. And stop showing your ignorance, and keyboard heroism, arranging provocations here on the forum, like "turned on the back", etc.
          Some, if any, should be included, and not advice.
        2. +4
          31 May 2014 18: 50
          You do not know not the stars! Prut campaign, etc. more closely to history, Peter had a lot of shoals, which Russia is still dissolving
        3. 11111mail.ru
          +3
          31 May 2014 19: 39
          Quote: Kilo-11
          . Peter the Great did not include the back!

          Read about the results of the Prut campaign.
        4. +2
          31 May 2014 20: 51
          Quote: Kilo-11
          Do not put Peter the Great and Putin in one row. Peter the Great did not include the back!

          What about Narva? And the question is not about tactics, but about suffering! And Poltava as a confirmation!
    2. +4
      31 May 2014 16: 06
      If you think that the monarch is completely free and single-handedly decides everything, you are deeply mistaken. Families, clans, clergy, etc. always stood above the monarchs.
      1. +4
        31 May 2014 16: 35
        Homo
        That's it. And when the monarch did not suit some groups. then there were re-elections - a snuffbox on the head.
      2. +2
        31 May 2014 19: 10
        Quote: Homo
        the clergy, etc., have always stood above the monarchs.

        Yes, not always, Henry VIII Tudor, for example, spat on the papacy and established his Anglican church, Peter I put the church at his service with the help of Prince Caesar - he poured cannons from bells, he took money for the war from church funds
    3. 0
      31 May 2014 17: 35
      Quote: WIN969
      It’s a pity that the return of the monarchy in Russia is not possible in the coming decades,

      And the question can be: why, in the age of airplanes and superhigh-speed trains, return to steam locomotives and airships?
      Why revert to obsolete forms? Well, a dinosaur cannot survive in the era of mammals ...
    4. Djein
      +6
      31 May 2014 17: 59
      Quote: WIN969

      WIN969
      It’s a pity that the return of the monarchy in Russia is not possible in the coming decades, I think we cannot become a great country under the current form of government, Putin’s hands are more tied


      In order for the state to become a STATE into which anyone living on earth would dream of getting ... a monarchy is not needed ... For this, it should not have a population,
      and the PEOPLE, consisting of REASONABLE, JUST, (to all, including to themselves) friendly (follows from the first two qualities), always and in everything, sober in the broadest sense of the word ... raising their children PEOPLE, taking from other nations only the POSITIVE that they have well and in that spirit ....
      Here is the MINIMUM that we all, if reasonable, must ensure in our state and only then expect proper changes If you expect that everything will happen on its own ... This is not a mistake ... but a CRIME before MYSELF and our CHILDREN .... THINK ..... By the way, and that we should support
      V.V. Putin and make it clear to his entourage that the population will support him with whatever is necessary,
      the required way ....
      1. +2
        31 May 2014 22: 59
        Quote: Djein
        In order for the state to become a STATE into which anyone living on earth would dream of getting ... a monarchy is not needed ... For this, it should not have a population,
        and PEOPLE

        Agree
        Quote: Djein
        THINK ..... By the way, and that we should support
        V.V. Putin and make it clear to his environment,

        I do not agree in terms of opposing Putin and his entourage. Give at least one example of a confrontation on key issues?
      2. -1
        1 June 2014 04: 02
        By the way, and that we must support
        V.V. Putin and make it clear to his entourage that the population will support him with whatever is necessary,
        the required way ....
        Bravo! Beginning of the commentary down with the monarchy, end long live the Tsar. And imagine that from childhood Vladimir Putin was taught to govern the state, I think he wouldn’t swing for 10 years. And not one monarch, to his heir, would have left such a mess as B.N. Yeltsin to V.V. Putin. In general, read Solonevich, to understand the point of view of the monarchists.
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  4. +11
    31 May 2014 15: 04
    it’s someone’s evil irony - substitute the last little black one ...
    1. +4
      31 May 2014 15: 14
      won't they make such a mistake again? :-)
      1. MBA78
        +3
        31 May 2014 16: 55
        it's a black and fat point
  5. +7
    31 May 2014 15: 06
    Russia is great at all times. And the revival of the civilized world will go only from Russia!
  6. Kodar 75
    +8
    31 May 2014 15: 12
    The title of the article did not really like. It creates such a shade as if Russia should also crash.
    Well, the Anglo-Saxons same EPT))
    1. +4
      31 May 2014 16: 08
      Quote: Kodar75
      It creates such a shade as if Russia should also crash.
      They judge by themselves. If the British "empire" collapsed, and now the British state may crack, then in their opinion it is waiting for everyone.
      1. +5
        31 May 2014 16: 40
        Homo
        Exactly. Now the Americans understand that their hope for a unipolar world has collapsed, and so far their "Empire" is increasingly moving away from the role of the world dominant. Because they really want to hope so. what we have as the main ones. in their opinion, the enemies are still worse than theirs. This position is somewhat reminiscent of the propaganda mantras of the modern Kiev regime - that Crimeans are starving, fleeing in droves to a prosperous Ukraine, Russia is ruined and China is about to conquer it ... :)))
    2. +2
      31 May 2014 17: 19
      And do not pay attention to the name. From the time of Byzantium, both West and East have always been afraid of Russia and Russia. They were afraid of her power. How much effort and money was put so that Russia and Russia could not get up from their knees. But it is not for nothing that Russia has always been compared with a bear. Afraid of the West, very afraid. It seems that you have to chew, bite, but not very much. And it’s not even an hour angry and knocking. Oh, how painful it will be, because the slap from the Russian bear has not been forgotten ...
  7. +3
    31 May 2014 15: 13
    Quote: Andrenaline
    Russia is reborn is a fact! good

    And not in the image of a phantom, But in the image of a strong, independent world power !!!! drinks
    1. MBA78
      +1
      31 May 2014 17: 01
      state fountains have the opportunity to unite and rise if the peoples living in it correctly generate their thoughts, ideas, goals, etc.
  8. -1
    31 May 2014 15: 15
    article is very interesting, for the history +
  9. +5
    31 May 2014 15: 15
    Quote: WIN969
    It is a pity that the return of the monarchy in Russia is not possible in the coming decades, I think we cannot become a great country under the current form of government, Putin has more hands tied, and this plays into the hands of our enemies.

    "Filling the world with crimson chimes
    The Russian dawn will rise above the world!
    And we will go with crosses and icons
    To crown the new tsar ". (J. Bichevskaya)
  10. +7
    31 May 2014 15: 16
    empires disintegrate because the connection between those in power and the people inhabiting the empire is lost, in this case the people rise and change power
    1. iw-lankof2011
      +4
      31 May 2014 15: 46
      Quote: saag
      empires disintegrate because the connection between those in power and the people inhabiting the empire is lost, in this case the people rise and change power

      Empires are destroyed by “barbarians” and nothing more ...
      1. +5
        31 May 2014 16: 48
        iw-lankof2011
        Barbarians become dangerous to the Empire only when it begins to self-destruct for internal reasons. As long as the Empire is strong, any barbarians are trampled into the ground by the Kaligami of the imperial legionnaires.
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      1. +2
        31 May 2014 15: 55
        Quote: iw-lankof2011
        Empires are destroyed by “barbarians” and nothing more ...

        it’s not so clear, would they try to destroy her if she were strong
    3. +2
      31 May 2014 16: 13
      Quote: saag
      empires disintegrate because the connection between those in power and the people inhabiting the empire is lost, in this case the people rise and change power
      Empires break up when those in power lose their sense of proportion or another appears - a young, impudent, greedy, envious empire.
      1. +5
        31 May 2014 17: 05
        Empires fall apart when there is no one to die for. Empires are not ruined by the onslaught of barbarians, but by the indifference of citizens and the disintegration of those in power.
  11. +1
    31 May 2014 15: 16
    Pray the Orthodox, for the victory over fascism, and may the regiments of NEW RUSSIA come and pray for the victory, and save the innocent, and stop the bloodshed ...
  12. +5
    31 May 2014 15: 16
    Our spiritual superiority over the Geyropeytsy is not given just like that, for our centuries-old devotion to Orthodoxy, the Almighty gives us such great grace as high spirituality, so the Geyropeyts will never understand the mysterious Russian soul, it is not given to them. Their inner worldview is set on a completely different wave than ours. Therefore, Russia, according to the statements of all the great predictors, will become a world leader thanks to its spiritual strength and will bring the whole world to our spiritual worldview.
  13. +4
    31 May 2014 15: 17
    Quote: Balamyt
    Russia is great at all times. And the revival of the civilized world will go only from Russia!

    There is a soul in Russia ..and it cannot be etched by anything.! (even just a forum to read how many sincere smart people ..)
  14. +6
    31 May 2014 15: 17
    The headline is cool but doesn't match the content. There is no Russian empire, there is a state, and so far (ugh, ugh) it has not been destroyed. But in principle, the fact that nothing in the world is permanent is true, only the "powerful of this world" can not drive it into their brains, considering themselves (especially themselves) and their countries to be eternal and chosen by God. From this in many ways the troubles of mankind.
    1. 0
      31 May 2014 17: 00
      Quote: larand
      they can’t drive it into their brains in any way, considering themselves (especially themselves) and their countries eternal and God-chosen. This is largely the misfortune of mankind.

      someone else should drive them in, but they can’t or don’t want to understand Russia. Lead their church for money forgives sins. It sells indulgences!
  15. +13
    31 May 2014 15: 19
    The author of the article wanted to say that Russia is waiting for the fate of the Roman Empire, England, DO NOT WAIT !!! laughing
    1. 0
      31 May 2014 15: 35
      You read, dear, inattentively. The features inherent in Rome, the great Rome, are currently traced only in Russia, the heirs of this civilization. For good or bad, our descendants will know.
    2. +4
      31 May 2014 15: 59
      Tyutchev did not write this, at that time there was no expression "to download the rights".
      1. +8
        31 May 2014 17: 45
        Quote: Deniska999
        Tyutchev did not write this, at that time there was no expression "to download the rights".

        Of course not Tyutchev.

        Sablin Vladimir Grigorievich
        Europe
        Frozen Europe
        And do not “swing” your rights!
        You are with RUSSIA - just w *
        And you think that the head.
        You always, so imposing,
        The smirk twisted his mouth ...
        But are bastards corrupt
        Known for the truth of flight ???
        Having smeared the snout in chocolate,
        Steering chic Mercedes -
        You do not know: what "reward"
        The demon is pushing you!
        So, while steering wheels
        While in Russia, the trouble ...
        But know: trouble is already knocking!
        Your last beat is dull ...
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    4. +1
      31 May 2014 19: 08
      Tyutchev was a diplomat in Munich. And we know him as a poet. It doesn’t matter who wrote it and when. The main thing is correct.
  16. dmitrij.blyuz
    +2
    31 May 2014 15: 19
    Russia is not Rome. Much more attractive. Distinction-Rome conquered. Russia-defends its own. But if someone runs into the impudent, we can let their land under the arable land. Monkey from a palm tree, still can not understand the seriousness of the issue. Bananas from skulls must be removed and brains inserted. For fun, Poroshenko’s!
    1. +1
      31 May 2014 19: 16
      Correctly. The Roman state was a raider in fact, destroying not only neighboring states but also their culture. Russia takes care of other countries. On someone else's does not market. But he will not give up his own. We need to focus on the fact that during the union we helped half the world with all we could, without eating up ourselves. It is necessary to recall this in the good sense of the word to these countries. They don’t understand us at all. It’s not for them to judge about us. Low-chol. Terrorist thinking does not understand the constructive. Im kayuk. It's a question of time.
  17. +7
    31 May 2014 15: 19
    I didn’t like the article ... they are trying to present us as a certain Rome which they are breaking up in the West. Look gentlemen on yourself ... Great Britain was and went nowhere because relied on the peoples enslaved by you Anglo-Saxons ... Slaves cannot build! France also tried subdue half the world and also fell apart. (we collapsed). The USA imposes its order on the world by force of arms ... and its fall is coming. WE DO NOT PUT ANYONE ON ANYONE. Yes, we have interests so that in neighboring countries there would be a GOVERNMENT NOT HARMFUL TO US ... and nothing more. If we annexed Crimea, then we helped citizens with a single language, a single worldview ... reunite with a single culture. We protected them from fascism. We offer countries a kindred common worldview, common economic conditions ... to join on a voluntary basis ... CREATE A EURASIAN UNION. Maybe I didn’t say everything in the fervor .. sorry ... They will supplement me.
  18. +13
    31 May 2014 15: 21
    The empire will collapse if you do not control it, or if you do not get rid of parasites like this-
    1. +11
      31 May 2014 15: 27
      And to be honest, I don’t see a problem if this madame and other liberals are sent over the Arctic Circle for eleven years, and if they die there (yes they die, because the animals die out, and only people die) I am also in this problem I don’t see from the word point blank.
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    4. GREAT RUSSIA
      +4
      31 May 2014 15: 34
      Quote: prishelec
      The empire will collapse if you do not control it, or if you do not get rid of parasites like this-

      I honestly don’t see a particular problem if the spines of such reptiles break down on the Caucasus and Ural ridges, and they are torn to pieces.
      I apologize for the cruelty, but I can’t.
    5. 0
      31 May 2014 15: 38
      Let him go to the optometrist, they are engaged in the blind there. Any student knows what and how is connected in the Western and Eastern economic macro-regions. Let a geography textbook for grade 9 be revered if it does not see the obvious.
      1. 0
        31 May 2014 17: 08
        Quote: Sly Fox
        Let a geography textbook for grade 9 be revered if it does not see the obvious.

        and what year of publication, a textbook? Is it not a Geyropov program?
        1. 0
          31 May 2014 20: 38
          no, not geyropovskogo, bustard publishing house, the authors of Rum and Dronov, and the western and eastern are macro-regions of Russia. Read the textbook.
    6. calocha
      +5
      31 May 2014 15: 56
      I don’t see a problem if Albats is divided along the spine, I think it is a matter of time ....
    7. +3
      31 May 2014 16: 16
      Quote: prishelec
      The empire will collapse if you do not control it, or if you do not get rid of parasites like this-
      It is enough to look at the names of those who are not against the breakup of Russia. These are not Russians either by nation or to their liking. What else can you expect from the "come in large numbers"!
    8. +4
      31 May 2014 17: 47
      And why we still do not have a law on the deprivation of citizenship for hatred of Russia. Scrap yes crap - please, but be responsible for your actions ??? Put in jail - so you also have to feed them for nothing. They will not work there, do not expect. Take Novodurskaya. Fought against Brezhnev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev, Putin. Baba Yaga v. Let's send to the states. She will not calm down there, but will switch to the monkey. And we will breathe easier without her poison
    9. xana usa
      0
      31 May 2014 17: 48
      and what a whore?
  19. +8
    31 May 2014 15: 23
    At least something positive in the adversary press in recent years is a concern for the inevitable end of the United States. Encouraging. True comparison of the United States and the Roman Empire - another insolence. Obama did not reach Julius Caesar.
  20. +3
    31 May 2014 15: 23
    Some sort of nonsense. It’s pulled various facts and put everything in a heap, it’s better to read Gumilyov’s definition of empire.
  21. Repty
    +6
    31 May 2014 15: 23
    A country without a past has no future. The country of former convicts and scum of the Anglo-Saxon civilization cannot exist for long. This is a country without morality and values ​​(except for the golden calf naturally). No wonder they say that Russia is the soul of the Earth. Russia has a future. Well, something like this...
  22. Tolerast
    +3
    31 May 2014 15: 23
    "Why Roofs Collapse: From Nero to Tom Holland" laughing
  23. +6
    31 May 2014 15: 25
    The United Kingdom (Great Britain) has sovereignty over seventeen territoriesthat are not part of the UK: 14 British Overseas Territories [29] and three Crown Lands.
    The fourteen Overseas Territories are: Anguilla (capital of Valley), Bermuda (capital of Hamilton), British Antarctic Territory (capital of Rothera), British Indian Ocean Territory (capital of Diego Garcia), British Virgin Islands (capital of Rhode Town), Gibraltar (capital Gibraltar), Cayman Islands (capital Georgetown), Montserrat Island (capital Plymouth), St. Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cugna (capital Jamestown), Pitcairn island (capital Adamstown), Turks and Caicos Islands (capital Coburn Town) , The Falkland Islands (the capital of Stanley), South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (the capital of Grytviken) and the Sovereign Military Bases in Cyprus (the capital of Episkopi). It is also worth noting that the British claim for the Antarctic are not universally recognizedavailability of military bases in Cyprus disputed by the Republic of Cyprusand the rights to the Falkland Islands are Argentina. Together, overseas territories occupy 1 km² (without the British Antarctic Territory - 727 km²), and their population is 527. These territories are remnants of the British Empire and specifically voted for the opportunity to remain British territories.
    Crown lands are possessions of the Crown, unlike overseas territories. These include the Channel Islands of Jersey and Guernsey in the English Channel and the Isle of Man in the Irish Sea
    I'm not talking about the two largest controlled countries - Canada and Australia.

    So british empire nowhere she just disguised...
    1. Tolerast
      +2
      31 May 2014 15: 33
      Yes, all the significant, these little shirts have long been prosli..li. Even under Churchill. They should be nothing more than sub-mattress footmen good And the phantom pains remained crying Rule, Britain, the seas! negative
    2. +2
      31 May 2014 16: 19
      Quote: _my opinion
      So the British empire has not gone anywhere, it just disguised itself ...
      The Greatness and Power of the British Empire Appearance. Add up the population of all possessions and see a population of less than one Russian region. The only difference is that they are scattered around the world.
    3. komrad.klim
      0
      31 May 2014 18: 10
      Robbed the floor of the world, including India. They live happily with the loot, and they still dictate morality to everyone.
    4. +2
      1 June 2014 02: 21
      Forgot about Northern Ireland - the capital of Belfast. The part of Ireland, which, as before, is under the crown. Unlike the Independent Republic of Ireland (ROI)
  24. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 25
    As for me, a delusional article.
  25. +15
    31 May 2014 15: 26
    Moscow is the third Rome, and the fourth will not happen. The USA is not Rome, it is rather Carthage. And Carthage must be destroyed! am
    1. +5
      31 May 2014 15: 34
      Quote: Round Cat
      Moscow is the third Rome, and the fourth will not happen. The USA is not Rome, it is rather Carthage. And Carthage must be destroyed! am

      Russia has always been considered the third Rome and a descendant of the Byzantine Empire (apparently the way it is ..) And the United States (England) is a conglomerate based on the blood of the Indians and the robbery of the whole world .. Is that so?
  26. GREAT RUSSIA
    +4
    31 May 2014 15: 31
    Why empires collapse: from ancient Rome to Putin's Russia
    Wrong question
    Why are empires crumbling: from ancient Rome to the British and American empires.
    Russia will never collapse, never! Let the Anglo-Saxons homegrown put it on their foreheads. Our country is not one that collapses under the influence of time.
  27. +3
    31 May 2014 15: 33
    Why empires collapse: from ancient Rome to Putin's Russia ("New Statesman", Great Britain)

    Not to "Putin's Russia", but to "Great Britain." from which only one name remains. But more recently, juices from India, Canada, Australia, Africa, Indochina, etc. were sucked. So I would analyze how the henchmen of the states came to life, than to be clever about Russia.
  28. +19
    31 May 2014 15: 35
    Quote: prishelec
    The empire will collapse if you do not control it, or if you do not get rid of parasites like this-

    Kick on d ass and outside the country without the right to return to the 10th generation !!! laughing
    1. Tolerast
      +4
      31 May 2014 15: 42
      I am personally familiar with the 2nd and 4th characters. IMHO: ..kills.
      1. 0
        31 May 2014 20: 11
        Tolerast
        Well, who they are - of course, there is no need for a personal acquaintance. And about dating, if not a secret, in what way? Are you a journalist or public figure?
        1. Tolerast
          +2
          31 May 2014 22: 16
          I am a petty writer with a diploma of a historian, at one time wiping myself out in their liberoid bunch. I was introduced there by my former classmates from "a type of elite economic lyceum for an advanced nebydla", who are now big people in serious companies, and some of them are also in government agencies.
          As I used to love this pseudo-intellectual party! Weller, Latynina, Bykov, Borschevsky ... pah, it is disgusting to recall. And Lesha Bulk! You can’t imagine how fascinated his environment is! Hitler’s charisma! It seems not stupid people, interesting interlocutors, but what is felt in them is something, how can I say this? Other Not yours, the opposite charge. Here, in this way, a couple of years ago, my masochim ordered me to live long.
          But the love of the West remained. True, very peculiar. I want my Russia to behave like America: it did not report to anyone, followed only its own interests, crushed with boots all those who hinder it. But for this, you need to be strong and self-sufficient.
        2. Djein
          +2
          1 June 2014 01: 20
          [quote = smile]
          smile

          Tolerast Well, who they are - of course, there is no need for a personal acquaintance. And about dating, if not secret, how? ....

          In the photo of Tolerast ... HE ... More explanations are needed ..... It is not surprising that I got into such a company (or just ....) ... well, in general, not surprising ....
          So with compliments ("ladies") and will not be embarrassed for long ...
          1. Tolerast
            0
            1 June 2014 01: 43
            In the photo, mind you - not me at all. So, do not jump to conclusions. Your so-called "lady" also has a good red-haired illiberal wife and a couple of gorgeous kept women drinks I got there exclusively by my own stupidity. What now I regret.
            Tolerasty, yes, I suffer. Keep the plus and please don't call me it. And there was no need to minus the Smiley amHe has nothing to do with it.
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    3. Andrenaline
      +3
      31 May 2014 16: 01
      Dogs with Makarevich missing good
      1. +3
        31 May 2014 16: 22
        Quote: Andrenaline
        Dogs with Makarevich missing
        Sobchak is not a figure, not a politician. A fussy blonde who does not know what to do with herself. But the main thing is to be in sight, and that's looking for something to do so scandalously.
        1. Andrenaline
          0
          31 May 2014 18: 04
          Not a politician, yes. While. But it also cannot be discounted. She is the host of many programs, including political ones, such as, for example, the "State Department" and, by the way, spreads propaganda on a network such as Instagram. And, accordingly, it influences the undeveloped minds of young people. I think she will say her nasty word. By the way, she is an ardent admirer of Navalny and others like them. He is even trying to publish books on political topics. So that still.
    4. xana usa
      +2
      31 May 2014 17: 32
      yes such ghouls still need to look, although who needs mediocrity and corrupt "people"
  29. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 36
    But if the First Rome no longer exists, as does the Second Rome, the Third Rome, as it turned out, unexpectedly retained the ability to rise from its grave. Even in the 21 century, the Roman Empire still clings to a kind of phantom life after death.
    Dutch cheese will not wait!
  30. +5
    31 May 2014 15: 36
    The American Empire has come a long time to collapse. And they themselves greatly contribute to this. Well, we can do what we can.
  31. +4
    31 May 2014 15: 41
    Rome - not Rome ... Descendants will understand. But the fact that they are now SODOM and GOMORRA is a fact. And they are very proud of it.
  32. HAM
    +2
    31 May 2014 15: 50
    But the author didn’t write that the Roman empire_was collapsing with the loss of morality, total sin, an ordinary pedo .... and, isn’t that what we see now in the WEST WEST ?! Before you teach us how to live, look at your history, Russia , unlike some, does not forget her and she is not an empire — she is RUSSIA!
  33. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 51
    And as everyone ...
    Roman Empire - Ukrainian Statehood ...
    the same pearls, the same military campaigns ... Ataman Sagaidachny what is worth ...
    Again, the barbarians destroy the empire.
    and again from Russia ...
    ...
    Not guys, as you wish .. but for me - nonsense.
    I think so.
    ...
    ...
    What is most interesting - the customer can be traced unambiguously ... in the 16th century, in the 21st.
    Vatican City. Batu Khan ...
    Again, damn it ... Russia, the Golden Horde.
  34. +3
    31 May 2014 15: 51
    Quote: The third Rome, as it turned out, unexpectedly retained the ability to rise from its grave. Even in the 21 century, the Roman Empire still clings to a kind of phantom life after death.
    Yes, thoughts of the boring writer are very similar to the would-be prophecies of the ever-memorable Hitler about "a colossus with feet of clay." The cowardly West creates many theories of "the collapse of Putin's Russia". These foolish people do not understand that Russia is a country of the people. Remember the troubled time 1612 of the year. When the rulers of Russia were unable to protect the interests of the country, the Russian people rebelled and defended Russia's independence and integrity.
  35. +1
    31 May 2014 15: 52
    Even the right-wingers said that RUSSIA will gather all its lands and save the whole WORLD from Satan and Chaos. And then the Golden Age will come when RUSSIA will rule in the WORLD. drinks
  36. +3
    31 May 2014 15: 53
    Yeah, and the Englishman wrote it, calling Russia the successor of the Roman Empire ... I can’t even believe it. Well, Russia has never been cruel even with enemies, although they inflicted great ruin on the country itself. Examples of this are the war of 1812 with Napoleon, the war with Germany, especially 1941-1945. They all went to the barbarians, as everyone was broadcasting, plundered the European part of Russia and got everything in the teeth. But we did not behave in France, in Germany since they behaved in Russia - they smashed temples, robbed jewelry in them, destroyed and completely burned the cities. And then who are the barbarians? Germans and French Europeans (as a whole, all the representatives of Europe fought against Russia) plundered Russia or Russians who entered Europe and fed its population. Or maybe it was not necessary to do this, but to burn, destroy everything to the ground, so that they understood that Russia could come back and do the same. No, we are not barbarians. It’s the geyropeytsy and the United States that they can value human lives so insignificantly as now they force Bandera to kill their own citizens in southeastern Ukraine
  37. Vlad Gore
    +1
    31 May 2014 15: 55
    “Two Romes fell,” the Russian monk strictly told their son in 1510. “However, the Third Rome stands, and the fourth - not to be.”
    These words are like a commandment. The Russian world is the third Rome. And they tried to destroy him repeatedly. But the Russian state is reborn every time like a Phoenix bird. So the fourth Rome does not happen. drinks
  38. +9
    31 May 2014 16: 03
    Nemchura is cunning. The British Empire has not gone anywhere. They have entangled the whole world with their financial tentacles, and having nurtured the so-called United States of America 280 years ago, they strengthened their dominance. Thus, one can still speak of two Roman empires - western and eastern (in the terminology of the author of the article). Like two thousand years ago, the Western empire is governed from one center. Today it is London. What about Russia? Like the eastern Roman Empire - Byzantium - it is under attack from all sides. She is in the ring of external enemies, she constantly rotates internal enemies, who for various reasons do not want her greatness, and, having deceived the people, often lead to a split of the lands collected with such difficulty. Western understanding of history is pyramidal (like a children's pyramid). Events are strung at later events, and later ones are forgotten, glossed over. The illusion of progress arises. But this is just an illusion hiding the oppression of slaves for the good of a handful of patricians. The Eastern, Russian historical school is based on the presentation of the tape of time, where events are interconnected and their chain is inseparable. In the Russian tradition, it is not the oppression of peoples, not their transformation into wordless slaves and robots, but their liberation, because a person is born to be free from the slavery of the golden calf. Crimea, which was and will always be only a Russian land within the Russian Federation, can serve as an example of the correctness of this perception of history. And due to the fact that today, as a result of the activities of the Western empire, billions of people suffer, perish and vegetate in order for the "golden billion" of idlers to live, I just want to say: gentlemen Europeans, go to the railway station with your historical excursions and comparisons. Because your whole story is a criminal case, unfortunately, which has not been brought to trial at the present time.
    1. 0
      1 June 2014 04: 53
      Great comment, congratulations!
    2. rereture
      +1
      1 June 2014 15: 51
      growing up 280 years ago the so-called united states of america


      Do not write nonsense. The USA was a colony of Britain, and not some states were colonies of France. Then there was the war for independence from Britain.
      20 years after the end of the war, the Russian Empire established diplomatic relations with the United States. After half a century, a civil war broke out between the North and the South. The Russian Empire supported the North. Britain supported the South. As a result, the North won.
      As you can see, the modern USA was built with the help of the Russian Empire.
  39. +4
    31 May 2014 16: 09
    That's interesting. The article talks about the decline and collapse of the Putin empire. She is not even in the project yet. Actually, I wonder where it is, this empire ??? Yes, the USSR was an empire, and Russia is an integral part of it, but not an empire. Apparently, the author of the article is so at odds with political geography that to teach him is not our concern. A layman in this matter is one word. The USSR and the same empires as the Roman always fall apart, due to internal stress.
    In my opinion, Qing said that everything strong and powerful will always fall apart. giving way to a young and soft, like a tree. The analogue is selected 100% true. The tree grows, matures and grows old, and then turns into a dried dead wood, which from any gust of wind will fall to the ground. And what do we see then ??? Fresh sprouts again appear on its stump and it, a tree, grows up again.
    So the USSR or the Roman Empire-grew, grew stronger men. then they dried up and fell from any gust of wind.
    In this case, the main thing is that ??? Correctly, to the side to move a little, on time, otherwise it will hurt.
    1. +2
      31 May 2014 16: 50
      Dear, please do not repeat common concepts such as "the USSR was (a) an empire." The USSR was not an empire in the traditional historical sense of the word. The USSR did not possess any signs of an empire: there was no supranational state, no emperor, and we did not have colonies either. It was Reagan who came up with the idea of ​​calling the USSR an "evil empire." He is an artist and is prone to allegorical performances. And his comparison was picked up and adopted by all sorts of idiots like this "tumbleweed" with supposedly Polish roots, who in his old age generally agreed that the USSR is a "black hole" on the world map. Well, I'm not talking about today's failure at all, he considers Russia a "regional power". So let Western journalists and "scientists" decide, finally - we are an "empire" or a "regional power" that must be kept in check. In this contradiction in their speeches, any of their policies and words look ridiculous and frightening at the same time, because they are capable of starting a war, and genocide, and everything else that is in the traditions of Western "civilization".
    2. +2
      31 May 2014 18: 45
      Signalman .... hello
      No stamps from there .... USSR- Empire ....
      Empire-sucks .... lives off the colonies. What we see very well now in the Western world.
      ..
      I am constantly amazed at some of the apologists of the Western world who constantly broadcast ..- .. they live well, loans are low, everyone is torn to them, science is at its height, complete freedom ...
      ...
      Damn, talking .... Have you ever thought about ??? how and how is LABOR distributed?
      For such Western apologists ... this seems like a curiosity.
      There are civilized Americans and European Union .......
      and there are - all the other savages who SHOULD WORK on ... of the above ...
      for the right - to LIVE .. at least ..
      ...
      What if ..... and if?
      Will the Panama Canal overlap? Will Suez cross? Cross Malacca?
      What if .....
      ...
      The mass of quite adequate guys from Israel, in my opinion, do not understand, WHERE it comes from ... a good LIFE OF THE WEST.
      ...
      And Russia-is silent .... as usual. Type according to Putin V.V. - It is worth it, on you, poor, to spend your attention ....
      Hhhhhhhy.
  40. +2
    31 May 2014 16: 20
    You don’t need to look so deeply for ages, I agree we took a lot from the Byzantine Empire, but the main thing is different, the simple Calumbus example opened America, there are no Indians, they were destroyed in May, why the West when expanding the piles of land, it destroyed the nations, when we added them to the territories they waved them and our culture was passed on to the inhabitants, and it turned out that you don’t look at Russian culture, but that they left behind ruins and devastation, all of Africa is on fire, the east is blazing. I don’t know, I can be mistaken, but I see the reason for this.
    1. Kus Imak
      -1
      31 May 2014 23: 26
      "Vesantia" and "Kalumb" are strong.
  41. grandfather Anisim
    0
    31 May 2014 16: 21
    Sounds good, but, in my opinion, a little pompous.
  42. +3
    31 May 2014 16: 25
    Quote: Signaller
    That's interesting. The article talks about the decline and collapse of the Putin empire. She is not even in the project yet. Actually, I wonder where she is this empire ???

    Good question ...))) Can I answer briefly ...? The Russian Empire is in our hearts and it will be alive as long as we are alive! Just look through our history and everything will be clear .. Here's something like that .. (We need an empire for building) And to turn us into stupid consumers is not it better to die ..!
  43. +1
    31 May 2014 16: 26
    With China, the author had a little mistake: he was not an empire in the full sense of the word, i.e. a state that captures and holds
    vast territories inhabited by different nations in their culture and mentality. The overwhelming population of China is quite homogeneous: they are Han. For example, Xinjiang became Chinese already under the Communists. Tibet was rather in vassal dependence on the Chinese emperors and so on. In general, the speed of the collapse of the empire is quite strongly interconnected with the area of ​​retained territories, their remoteness from the metropolis, the degree of ethno-cultural differences of the peoples inhabiting it, the presence of elites, awareness of belonging to a single community, and much more. From this point of view, Russia is not an empire (although it is a superpower), or rather a neo-empire like the USA, it is ethnically homogeneous - more than 80% are representatives of the Russian ethnic group and there are no prerequisites for the collapse of Russia
    1. legionary
      +1
      31 May 2014 16: 53
      Well, if only it were so unambiguous, then Russia would be a Republic and not a Federation.
  44. +1
    31 May 2014 16: 28
    The article is lengthy and long excessively, even reading through a line is boring. No locality.
  45. +4
    31 May 2014 16: 31
    Any empire collapses when the ruling elite is mired in idleness, greed, gluttony, losing human morality and principles, and imagining itself as an "elite", it ceases to strive to learn and improve the living conditions of its citizens. This means that in order for the Russian Empire to survive, strict control of the people over their elite is needed. And then the words of the great ancestor will come true: "We are the third Rome, and the fourth will never be"! hi
    1. +2
      31 May 2014 18: 24
      Quote: Egoza
      This means that to preserve the Russian Empire, we need tight control of the people over their elite.


      There is such garbage, the concept of "okhlos". It was "okhlos" that "won" in Ukraine, but not the PEOPLE. All this is complicated. How to separate "ochlocracy" from "plutocracy" ??? One, eternally turning into another .. Two extremes, with the impossibility of existing without each other. God forbid, we get rid of the need to experience it again. I believe that this has already happened. 1985-1993 Like, he said everything. I catch the cons.
      1. +1
        31 May 2014 21: 31
        Quote: skifd
        Quote: Egoza
        This means that to preserve the Russian Empire, we need tight control of the people over their elite.


        There is such garbage, the concept of "okhlos". It was "okhlos" that "won" in Ukraine, but not the PEOPLE. All this is complicated. How to separate "ochlocracy" from "plutocracy" ??? One, eternally turning into another .. Two extremes, with the impossibility of existing without each other. God forbid, we get rid of the need to experience it again. I believe that this has already happened. 1985-1993 Like, he said everything. I catch the cons.

        Understood nothing! But I probably put the plus intuitively! But can I chew for a techie?
        1. 0
          1 June 2014 09: 20
          Quote: non-primary
          Understood nothing! But I probably put the plus intuitively! But can I chew for a techie?

          You do not need to "chew" if you "intuitively" understood. So you understand. You think. You try. Sorry if it seemed like "mentoring". Plus to you.
  46. +1
    31 May 2014 16: 36
    as I understand it, this zhevanina is the dying tantrum of Anglo-Saxon :))))
  47. +2
    31 May 2014 16: 37
    Quote: DimSanych
    The article is lengthy and long excessively, even reading through a line is boring. No locality.

    Author Tom Holland (Tom Holland) What do you want from him .. I wanted to dig into the Russian soul just .. And he got confused))) hi
  48. +2
    31 May 2014 16: 39
    The article is interesting, but knowledge of Russian history from Western textbooks shows itself. From the entire history of relations between Russia and Byzantium, the author knows only about one unsuccessful campaign, while he also calls our ancestors the Vikings. Further, the author turns out that Prince Vladimir, in the spirit of Western ideas about the kings, almost decided to make the country a Christian country, if there had never been a missionary activity of Cyril and Methodius before, it was like the grandmother of Princess Olga didn’t have Vladimir adopted Orthodoxy, and the already mentioned history of relationships. In general, do not teach people the history of Russia from European textbooks if you really want to know something and understand us.
    As for the third rome. Maybe if Nicholas II was not what he was and Russia got Constantinople after the First World War, then the story of the third Rome would have made sense today. But what happened happened, and the 20th century buried both the third Rome and the attempt mentioned by the author to revive the first. In the 21st century, Rome is dead, and it is unlikely that anyone will revive it.
    1. +2
      31 May 2014 20: 50
      Plus a comment, and the author of the article is not just not familiar with the primary sources, but even poorly studied the false information of the first German pseudo-historians .. Vikings "rus" must be ...
    2. 0
      1 June 2014 00: 27
      health
      Rome is of course dead. but so far there is at least one "Roman" ROME ALIVE.
      and the symbolism of Rome is clearly present as a lesson to understand why and with what help build your Rome, your empire.
    3. 0
      1 June 2014 00: 27
      health
      Rome is of course dead. but so far there is at least one "Roman" ROME ALIVE.
      and the symbolism of Rome is clearly present as a lesson to understand why and with what help build your Rome, your empire.
  49. +1
    31 May 2014 16: 45
    Meanwhile, in Rome itself, on the whole, ordinary life continued. There were elections of consuls, members of the Senate, chariot races were held in the Circus Maximus.
    Absolutely free interpretation of history in the article. Rome, within 100 years after the fall, "shrunk" from a city of more than a million to 80 thousand and was so for almost a thousand years. The NGOs of the Venetian merchants and the short-sighted foreign policy of the leadership of the Byzantine Empire led to its ruin.
    Russians need to give birth to children, 4 children each from father and mother, otherwise nothing!
  50. legionary
    -4
    31 May 2014 16: 48
    As for the fact that Russia is the heir to the Roman empire, it is only partly, for the most part, Russia when it was still just Russia became and learned great power from another and no less great and vast empire called Mongol Empire.
    And I believe that Russia has historically absorbed a lot from both empires.
    1. +2
      31 May 2014 23: 59
      The history of Russia, starting from the 12 century, is extremely distorted and implausible. Written by 3 by Germans who did not have much love for our country.
      If there was a Mongol Empire, then where is their capital, Shed? The million-plus city should at least leave something behind!
      There are many inconsistencies in the history taught to us, and they are easily verified by the treatises of ancient churches and monasteries, where there is no mention of the "Mongol Empire", but the "Golden Horde" is described as a regular army, where princes were called up as advisers and regimentalists and " youths 20 years old "... This is what Ivan Kalita wrote about when he gave his will to his sons. I went to war.
      We are taught nonsense only because Peter 1 wished to get closer to Europe and accepted a version of the story of 3's of incomprehensible Germans.
      1. legionary
        -1
        1 June 2014 01: 36
        1)
        Quote: Samurai3X
        The history of Russia, starting from the 12 century, is extremely distorted and implausible. Written by 3 by Germans who did not have much love for our country.
        Yes, it is distorted, and partly not believable, one of the main reasons is the extremely scarce information that has reached our days (or until the moment when they decided to write it all the same). Indeed, the story was written with the active participation of the Germans.
        From this question: The Germans wrote it 300 years ago, WHERE is a new exposition of the history of Russia and subsequent Russia?
        2)
        Quote: Samurai3X
        If there was a "Mongol Empire", then where is their capital, Sarai? The million-plus city should have left at least something behind
        It was called Karakorum
        3)
        Quote: Samurai3X
        There are many inconsistencies in the history taught to us, and they are easily verified by the treatises of ancient churches and monasteries, where there is no mention of the "Mongol Empire"
        What makes you think that some chronicler in the monastery might know about the "Mongol Empire" and its scale? Then the level of knowledge and knowledge was very limited, even among the nobility.
        4)
        Quote: Samurai3X
        but the "Golden Horde" is described as a regular army, where princes were called up as advisers and regiments and "youths 20 years old" ... This is what Ivan Kalita wrote when he gave his will to his sons. I went to war.
        "Golden Horde" is one of the uluses, which was formed during the division of power by Genghis Khan to his sons. By the way, this is another (+) why the chronicles often mention the "Golden Horde" and the existing empire.
        5)
        Quote: Samurai3X
        We are taught nonsense only because Peter 1 wished to get closer to Europe and accepted a version of the story of 3 obscure Germans
        I agree, most of the history of Russia and subsequent Russia in the period of the "Mongol Empire" is exaggerated, BUT state your version of history.
        6) Yes, I almost forgot, but what about the historical evidence of the Chinese, Persian and Central Asian states, as well as present-day Turkey and the Middle East, the period of their conquest by the Mongols?
        1. 0
          1 June 2014 19: 54
          And what do the Mongols themselves (Mongolia) say?
          1. legionary
            -1
            1 June 2014 22: 12
            Quote: Alex Danilov
            And what do the Mongols themselves (Mongolia) say?
            Does it matter ?
        2. 0
          10 June 2014 16: 23
          2. This is the capital in 1220-1260. Where was the Barn, scientists still argue.
          3. "Some chronicler" most of the Middle Ages in Europe was written according to church treatises. They generally liked to describe everything that was happening around. Special "departments" have been created for this. We had the same.
          So about any tribute, occupation or capture in these sources is not written. Doesn’t suggest even one thought?
          6. In almost all of these sources, the Northern Empire was described vaguely. "Hordes from the North". And the Mongols were there including ... on a par with the white-faced gray-eyed warriors.
          1. 0
            10 June 2014 16: 44
            Quote: Samurai3X
            6. In almost all of these sources it was described vaguely

            You might as well attempt to describe the rainbow to the blind. But there are more chances, he does not see as a result of objective reasons, and these gentlemen DO NOT WANT to see.
            Alas.
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  51. +1
    31 May 2014 16: 51
    Is the princely period in Kievan Rus poorly covered in Russian history textbooks?
    Quote: Forest
    Further, the author turns out that Prince Vladimir, in the spirit of Western ideas about kings, almost out of the blue decided to make the country Christian, as if there had been no missionary activity of Cyril and Methodius before this, as if Vladimir had never had a grandmother, Princess Olga who converted to Orthodoxy, and the already mentioned history of relationships. In general, don’t teach people the history of Russia from European textbooks if you really want to know something and understand us.

    strange...and our textbooks have expanded this period so much...that all interest is lost due to the huge volume of material.
    Empires, like everything created by man, have the ability to arise and disappear.
    The Russian Federation is now positioned in the world more as a descendant of the Soviet Empire than the Republic of Ingushetia.
  52. maxim1
    +3
    31 May 2014 16: 55
    "But if the First Rome is long defunct, as is the Second Rome, the Third Rome, as it turns out, has unexpectedly retained the ability to rise from its grave. Even in the 21st century, the Roman Empire still continues to cling to a kind of phantom afterlife "

    Another Anglo-Saxon meanness contained in the above ending of the article. Actually, the whole point of the article is in this ending. This is another perversion of Orthodoxy, because the Third Rome never rose from the grave, but has always been there since the baptism of Rus' by Prince Vladimir.

    “The idea of ​​“Moscow – III Rome” was very close to Rus', which was considered the heir of Byzantium. It became the main political concept of the Russian state in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. The process of formation of a new ideology is accompanied by the adoption of the title of Tsar by Ivan the Terrible, and later by the ascent of the Russian Church to the level of Patriarchate . New ideas about the role and significance of Russia soon became the semantic basis of the socio-political aspirations of the ruling elite of the Russian state. The people believed in the spiritual invincibility of Rus', and therefore it was called Holy. Holy Rus' was entrusted with an important mission: to preserve the Orthodox faith and protect it from the attacks of enemies "

    http://shkolazhizni.ru/archive/0/n-46774/
  53. +2
    31 May 2014 16: 59
    Our great ancestors believed “Moscow is the third Rome. This is what we stood for and will continue to stand for.” No other people in the world has such fortitude. Yes, we - the people - can scold ourselves, swear at our president and government, but when trouble comes, these same people stand up in military ranks against the adversaries, this has been the case at all times. Because only Rus' is HOLY, because only Russians can sacredly love their MOTHERLAND, for us these are not empty sounds, for us this is tantamount to love for GOD. Our main problem at the moment is the 5th column, as during the Second World War - Vlasovites, Benderaites and other traitors. Now corrupt officials are also playing on the same team with the 5th column and are preventing the country from developing. After all, we have not yet completely gotten rid of the past 90s. We are just trying to lift our country out of the collapse in which we already stood with one foot, thanks to “friends from America and Europe.” To Putin and his team - good luck, fortitude, faith in yourself and your people!!!
  54. +1
    31 May 2014 17: 02
    Why empires collapse: from ancient Rome to Putin's Russia (New Statesman, UK)

    DON'T WAIT UP, br/i/tans and syshYa!
    Never mind, Putin's or not Putin's, Russia will ALWAYS exist!
  55. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 06
    Russia could become the leading state in Europe. We have economic, military and moral prerequisites for this. The only hindrance is the backwardness of the social structure of society. We need a system where each person will be assessed according to his merits and knowledge. For now, we value a person based on his proximity to the feeding trough.
  56. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 12
    THE HISTORY OF Rus' IS 8000 years old. THERE ARE CITIES IN THE URALS THAT ARE 40000 YEARS OLD.
    WATCH A FILM ABOUT THE GREAT TARTARIA - AND MUCH WILL BE CLEARER.
    1. legionary
      0
      2 June 2014 16: 51
      What does this have to do with cities in the Urals, which are 8000 years old, and Rus', and subsequently Russia, which is just over 1000 years old?
  57. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 13
    The problem of the whole world is that it is trying to compare Russia with someone else. But this is useless. I’m not even talking about the fact that Russia cannot be understood with the mind.
    But I want to give an example, of course it will seem unsuccessful to many, probably... but still, at the recent World Cup, our team tore apart all the teams and then a game came up with a very strong opponent. So the coach of this team, the day before the game, spent the whole night studying our game, every little detail .And this is what he said before the game with us....-I tried to understand what is the invincibility of the Russians who have not suffered a single defeat, I tried to understand the system of their game...I think I understood it.....it doesn’t exist.
    And he lost.
  58. +1
    31 May 2014 17: 15
    v245721 RU ...don't tell me!!!! But what about Vladimirskaya, Petrovskaya, Ekaterininskaya.

    Forgot to add Russia!
    Rulers come and go, but RUSSIA REMAINS!
    Russia WAS, IS, AND WILL BE, with God's help!
    THE VICITANTS WILL PERISH!
  59. +1
    31 May 2014 17: 26
    Russia is just beginning to rise from its knees! And she will not, like the Americans, capture someone, bomb, or destroy the civilian population!!!
  60. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 33
    Empires do not collapse... they are destroyed... and most often the rulers of these empires, considering themselves celestials, despise their own people, who exalted them.
  61. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 37
    Any empire is built on idealism - be it Orthodoxy or communism or simply a statement of uniqueness and democracy (like the USA) and everyone knows that as soon as idealism cracks, disintegration immediately occurs. Idealism cannot exist outside of politics... as soon as freedom to choose ideals and values ​​is given, division into camps immediately occurs, followed by the collapse of the empire. In the global empire of the USA, doubts about the exclusivity of Western values ​​are strictly punished, as we know. But there is also the problem of expanding the lists of these values ​​- they need to be constantly expanded, and the result of this was the collapse of the Roman Empire, and also this path was chosen by the West, the result will be the same.
    At the same time, the most correct ideology was still communist and its advantage was planning for the development of society, and not the uncontrolled behavior of individuals who would drive the world into a dead end. But he also had a problem - a brake on the development of technology. The communist system could not collapse without contrast with Western countries. Thus, the world is obliged to take at least the path of socialism, a step back will be taken, whether Russia will survive or not in the fight against the liberals who are ruining it...
  62. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 38
    Comparing Russia with “empires” is not entirely correct. Attempts to tear the Russian Federation apart into appanage principalities stem from the delirium of Z. Brzezinski. Nothing will come of it. I live far beyond the Urals. Back in the 90s, “supported figures” tried to convince us that Siberia would heal! All you have to do is renounce Moscow - there will immediately be golden roofs and platinum toilets! Everyone has! ....Quiet up already, enemies. We are not maydowns. There is ONE and INDIVIDUAL - the Russian Federation. From the western borders to the Pacific Ocean. In Russia there will be no Maidan-bomzhatnik in the center of the State. Well it won't! AND THAT'S PERIOD!
  63. 0
    31 May 2014 17: 46
    Quote: WD Chauvinist
    Rome - not Rome ... Descendants will understand. But the fact that they are now SODOM and GOMORRA is a fact. And they are very proud of it.
    Let's remember how it ALL ended... THE END OF WESTERN MORALS IS LEGAL...!!!
  64. xana usa
    -2
    31 May 2014 17: 46
    how could Prince Vladimir, when choosing a religion in Rus', according to the author, consider the issue of accepting Islam, but at that time such a religion did not exist am
    1. +2
      31 May 2014 20: 47
      You are not right
      Baptism of Rus' 988-990.
      The emergence of Islam - 610-622.
  65. First
    0
    31 May 2014 17: 51
    Russia will rise from its knees
  66. Tanechka-clever
    +1
    31 May 2014 17: 54
    The article is generally about nothing. But the author himself admits: “It is important, of course, not to go too far with your revisionism.”
    On the other hand, it is written strictly in the American spirit of the “ideological” sabotages of Radio Liberty or Echo of Moscow or Svanidze. Here's the truth, but with the truth, if you please, tempt the American "ideological" saboteur pill. And now the unprepared reader does not know, and it is difficult for him to understand, where the truth is and where the lie is.
    The article is useful from the point of view of studying the work of US intelligence services, as well as foreign trolls on Russian forums. And they work according to the principle - first the bed is prepared (information), actively watered and fertilizer is applied (your own comments and reasoning with a given direction vector, and it is advisable to choose the vector with a minimum deviation from the truth) and then wait for the shoots. Then simply these seedlings should be constantly kept under control and grown, fertilized with your own fertilizers. But the results are known - and the United States will not refuse to absorb Russia. The struggle between public and private is the third Rome, and there will not be a fourth - because this will be the result of existence, where not external forces will become important for a person, but he will be a threat to himself
  67. 0
    31 May 2014 18: 14
    The article is a very banal set of historical cliches, why was it posted here? just for the sake of conclusions and possible analogies with the USA? Well, so what, all empires collapse, new ones take their place, and the cycle will be like this as long as humanity exists. One thing, no one knows when the current one will collapse and where and when the next one will arise. Minus article
  68. parus2nik
    +2
    31 May 2014 18: 35
    Today, here in the West, dreams of restoring the Roman Empire have sunk into oblivion forever.
    The EU, NATO, a very real embodiment and the tasks are the same to contain the “barbarians” from the East.. Don’t be too sad, gentlemen...
  69. +1
    31 May 2014 18: 40
    Nazism was doomed, because blinded by its victories over the pitiful descendants of the slave peoples of Europe in its recklessness, the Third Reich challenged the Third Rome (USSR)...
  70. +1
    31 May 2014 18: 47
    I’m not a supporter of Putin. However, there is something to praise him for, and not just criticize him.
    You can destroy everything and everyone. Russia as an empire can no longer be destroyed. There is simply no empire. Yes, there are many hangers-on at the helm who steal and steal from the treasury. But in Russia there is no death penalty for anyone, therefore they have nothing to fear.
    If you remove the history described in the article, then the article is about nothing.
  71. 0
    31 May 2014 18: 55
    belay
    Sorryrecourse, there's nothing at home request in my stash, otherwise I would certainly relieve stress after reading this work Yes ...Well, afftor...Schopenhauer is the minimum.
    My knees are shaking
    Lost sleep -
    Is he really a genius?
    And I'm a dude...
    crying
  72. 0
    31 May 2014 19: 02
    In Abkhazia, early presidential elections are scheduled for August 24.
  73. 0
    31 May 2014 19: 03
    Well, since the West already holds Russia for Rome, then the point has already trembled, and since it trembled, they will soon insert it! soldier
  74. 0
    31 May 2014 19: 09
    Everything as usual. If the Americans say that Russia will collapse like the Roman Empire, then they sense that theirs is collapsing, and they disguise it...
  75. Vlad1408
    0
    31 May 2014 19: 14
    In Europe, it seems they are waiting for Russia to fall apart, while trying to unite into an empire called the EU, life will put everything in its place, of course, what has a beginning has an end.
  76. +1
    31 May 2014 19: 17
    Don't compare yourself and US! Do not compare yourself: the geyropa that has sunk below the plinth (morality, morality, honesty, truth - where is all this in the geyropa?!) and OUR RUSSIA! Someone, and you, dear one, should know (since you consider yourself an “expert” in history!) why the Roman Empire “collapsed”! Not so much from the raids of wild tribes, but from “collapse from within”! Well, think for yourself - the Roman Empire conquered almost the entire Ecumene and suddenly, unexpectedly, lost to some hordes of nomads! Do you yourself believe in this “fairy tale”?! I don't believe in such nonsense! The Roman Empire became mired in its own “dirt,” trampling morality and ethics... The Roman Empire “got greedy,” “calmed down” in the belief in “eternal and indestructible” well-being! Who is closer to such a “scenario” (against the backdrop of the latest “victories” over the concept of Family, Morality, Morality!), do you think?! I would like to hear your answer to VO!
  77. Speznaz t
    0
    31 May 2014 20: 07
    Never mind, let them...write...time will tell who will be in the grave.
  78. 0
    31 May 2014 20: 09
    The time has come for the collapse of the next empire, the USA!
  79. Evgeniy.
    0
    31 May 2014 20: 14
    they are fallen, they are ruled by base feelings. And we are imperials, we do not assert ourselves at the expense of others, we are higher, we accomplish things and in them we become immortal.
    And the article is just another nonsense and an attempt to exalt itself in the minds of not so distant people.
  80. +1
    31 May 2014 20: 17
    This is not an article - this is nonsense. Present the whole story without one very big player, and show him as a receiver. This means our state, no matter what it is called. There are many facts that run counter to the “official” version of history. It is very interesting to repeatedly rewrite the history of the Great State, disfigure it, and present historical facts to other countries. And then try to analyze everything that has happened, as they say, to punish the innocent and reward the innocent... Everything is in the spirit of arrogant people.
    1. 0
      31 May 2014 20: 42
      yeah i.e. before the adoption of Christianity there was nothing here, but the Vikings, it turns out, “Rus”, went to Byzantium (they had nothing to do for almost 4 thousand km, they had to go somewhere closer)
  81. +1
    31 May 2014 20: 29
    There is forgery and substitution of concepts here. Well, an empire is different from a civilization. I don't care about any empires. I know for sure that I will tear the jaws of anyone who tries to put pressure on my identity. And as for Ukraine... No one has the feeling that they are frankly annoying everyone there with their worthlessness?
  82. +1
    31 May 2014 20: 39
    The article is a brilliant example of ignorance and reluctance to even study historical primary sources, moreover, everything that has to do with modern Russia is presented, if not in a mocking manner, then certainly in a dismissive manner.
    This is not a journalist - this is a reporter.
  83. +5
    31 May 2014 20: 45
    Another attempt by Western demagogues to interpret their vision of history negative
  84. wot
    wot
    0
    31 May 2014 21: 10
    even in the 18th century, Europeans on their maps put in large letters the Mongol-Tataria and in smaller letters just below the Russian Empire, so what did this mean, for me this means only one story to believe only with caution, a lot of strong defamation, and from this it means that Rus' was a MONGOL -TATARIA. and REWRITING other people’s opuses so you can distort anything
  85. +2
    31 May 2014 21: 13
    So far, Putin’s Russia is only strengthening its position in the world. The Western world is collapsing due to tolerance and permissiveness and the permission of same-sex marriages. If they have already violated the laws of nature, then the permission of the individual is obvious
    1. green
      0
      31 May 2014 21: 27
      Western Sodom and Gomorrah will destroy itself...
      with the help of the Rosses!
  86. +1
    31 May 2014 21: 15
    I remember a certain B. Clinton was impeached for slapping M. Liwinsky on the fang. What to do with Barack Obama? After all, V.V.P. HIMSELF “kicked him in the face”!!!
  87. 0
    31 May 2014 21: 29
    I would like to draw attention to this verbiage that everything is in order with Russia, and his shabby Great Britain will end up without Scotland, let him worry about this first, the s..y analyst
  88. 0
    31 May 2014 21: 56
    Quote: Legioner
    As for the fact that Russia is the heir to the Roman empire, it is only partly, for the most part, Russia when it was still just Russia became and learned great power from another and no less great and vast empire called Mongol Empire.
    And I believe that Russia has historically absorbed a lot from both empires.

    Legionnaire, I don’t want to offend, learn history.
    -In all the old drawings, everyone, both our own and “strangers”, is in the same attire
    -Dmitry Donskoy was the guest of honor at Khan’s headquarters
    -The number of churches increased during the “yoke”
    - They “fit in” with the steppe inhabitants in the Battle of Kalka, apparently for a reason
    - understood each other without an interpreter, etc.
    What kind of "yoke"? - internecine wars of a huge Power!
    Does Mongolia have anything resembling the prosperity of the past...?
    And just a piece of advice, watch the film - Rurik, a lost story. to start. Don’t even look at the chronology of the Slavs, the calendars are a gift.
    And lastly, where did the Destroyer of the Roman Empire come from, not from our Slavic lands?
  89. +2
    31 May 2014 22: 03
    If we talk about the fact that Russia can expect the fate of the Roman Empire, then many people have already tried to destroy Russia - the Mongols, the British, the Turks, the French, the Germans, the Poles, etc., and in our history we have already fought with all the strongest empires in the world and no one could destroy us, and the United States will still get what it deserves. Evil always comes back as evil.
  90. 0
    31 May 2014 22: 07
    Russia is not Rome. Much more attractive. The difference is that Rome conquered. Russia is defending its own!
    - I support these words and believe that they are the BASIC DEFINITION of the holiness, strength, power and immortality of RUSSIA!
  91. 0
    31 May 2014 22: 25
    The article is all distorted, not to mention, in places, about outright lies. For the Western man in the street, under the guise of philosophizing, a desire to once again smear Russia in his eyes. To create a phantom empire from Russia. So that they do not pay attention to the modern empire with its unipolar world. If they talked about the 3rd Rome in Russia, as far as I remember, it was in a spiritual sense, in terms of the first religion and not the state. Yes, and the author slips it through.
    the people we call “Byzantines” felt themselves to be Romaioi, that is, Romans. However, they did not mean the Rome of Julius Caesar or Cicero, but the Rome of the great Christian emperors

    “Two Romes have fallen,” he said sternly Russian monk in 1510 to their son. “However, the Third Rome stands, but the fourth will not happen.”
  92. 0
    31 May 2014 22: 30
    “many people tried to destroy Russia - the Mongols, the British, the Turks, the French, the Germans, the Poles, etc., but in our history we have already fought with all the strongest empires in the world and no one could destroy us,”

    I remembered the Crimean War. England, France, Türkiye could not stupidly take ONE city - Sevastopol! And the British in the north raked so many pills that they simply forgot about St. Petersburg. These are such damn warriors...
    Yes, the Russian Empire bent a little then, but after 20 years everything fell into place, even with the winnings. And the Turks and France were no longer even considered rivals.
  93. 0
    31 May 2014 22: 47
    History is a war of religions. In fact, there are only two religions in the world - orthodox (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and, of course:), Judaism) and heterodox (Protestants, all kinds of sectarians, Wahabis, etc.)
    Unorthodox religions are clearly born from the pen of you know who. They replace true religions.
    They provoke wars. And with all their philosophical tinsel, all heterodox people worship the golden calf. This is their god. All their wars are for gold in the end. What's GREAT( laughing )Britain, that Americans, Protestants, sectarians. If they were ever drawn to Rome, it was only for the period of its collapse and fall.
    And Rome in its heyday is an eternal concept, so to speak, ORTHODOX. Russia is the real Third Rome.
  94. 0
    31 May 2014 23: 05
    The Third Rome is no longer an imperial comparison, but a spiritual comparison.
    My opinion, I could be wrong of course.
    The first Rome created an almost ideal empire in material terms, the law prevailed in it, it is not without reason that Roman law is a model for all legal science, but one of its main mistakes was a schism with the Apostolic Church, it seemed to break away from it slightly at first glance, but look what happened to it . Instead of understanding God that God is Love, he slipped into understanding God as a judge. The devil is the prosecutor, Christ is the lawyer, God is the judge. Therefore, everything is mercantile and petty, you have sinned, but it doesn’t matter, you need to read 153 prayers and this sin will be forgiven. The Pope is God's vicar on earth. Therefore, the pope can tell the kings how to rule the state, therefore they can baptize with fire and sword, for the sake of saving the soul, and therefore indulgences and crusades.
    The Second Rome was the successor of the Apostolic Church, but at the end of its power we look from the wiki “Emperor John VIII Palaeologus understood that without a union with the Catholics, the Byzantine Empire would not receive help from the west and would inevitably be conquered by the Ottoman Turks, whose possessions after the treaty of 1424 advanced to themselves on the outskirts of Constantinople. In 1437, together with the patriarch and a representative delegation, John went to Italy and spent more than two years there without leaving. More than once at these meetings, both sides reached an impasse and were ready to leave. But the emperor forbade his bishops to leave the cathedral until a compromise decision was made In the end, the Orthodox delegates were forced to concede to the Catholics on almost all fundamental issues. The union signed on July 5, 1439, was, if not a complete, then a significant victory for the Catholics. But this concession did not bring the expected relief. Other Orthodox churches, primarily the Russian ", refused to accept the union. And in the empire itself, the union gave rise to schism and unrest." Despite three marriages, John VIII remained childless.
  95. 0
    31 May 2014 23: 06
    The throne was inherited by his brother Constantine XI Palaiologos, Constantine was proclaimed emperor in early January in Mystras. In March 1449, he arrived in the capital and took power. Contrary to tradition, Constantine was not crowned patriarch[1]. Constantine failed to obtain timely assistance from Western states. The appeal to Pope Nicholas V only led to the renewal of the question of union. Personally, having nothing against her, Constantine allowed the cardinal sent by the pope to celebrate mass in the St. Sophia Cathedral, in the presence of the court, the Senate and the highest clergy. This caused strong indignation among the masses, aroused by monasticism hostile to the union, which found expression in the statement of the megaduk Luke Notaros that he was ready to see Constantinople “rather under the rule of the turban than under the rule of the tiara.” The military assistance that dad could provide turned out to be late. There were several honest Venetians and Genoese, but the main forces got lost somewhere along the way, as always the West got off with cookies. In 1453 he died during the siege of Constantinople; he had no children. After the death of his elder brother Constantine XI Palaiologos, Thomas Palaiologos became the legal heir to the Byzantine throne, but at the end of his life he converted to Catholicism.
    Children Elena Paleolog is the wife of Lazar Brankovich.
    Andrey Paleolog - stayed in Italy; son: Constantine, in theory, ownership of the Byzantine throne passed to him. But “my life” ... shredded, got into debt, and was engaged in deception. On September 16, 1494, he signed an agreement with the King of France Charles VIII, according to which he generously transferred to him all his rights to the Constantinople, as well as to the Trebizond and Serbian thrones, leaving only the Morean Despotate is behind him. After Charles established himself in Naples in May of the following year, he promised Andrew a salary of 1200 ducats a year. Soon after Karl's death, Andrei again found himself in debt. At the beginning of 1502, he signed a new agreement transferring all his rights to the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella[1][2].
    Manuel Palaiologos - Around 1477, Manuel returned to Constantinople and ceded his rights to the throne to Sultan Bayezid II, in exchange for maintenance and a handsome pension[1]. died in 1512[2]. sons: John died young and Andrei converted to Islam and ended his days as a judicial official under the name of Mehmed Pasha[1].
    Sofia (Zoe) Paleolog
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  97. 0
    31 May 2014 23: 07
    Sofia Fominichna Paleolog, aka Zoya [1] Paleologina (Greek Ζωή Σοφία Παλαιολογίνα, c. 1455 - April 7, 1503), Grand Duchess of Moscow, second wife of Ivan III, mother of Vasily III, grandmother of Ivan IV Gro hot It is interesting that she became the wife of Ivan III in absentia. “On June 1, 1472, in the Basilica of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, the betrothal took place in absentia. The deputy of the Grand Duke was Ivan Fryazin.” Even during the bride’s journey through Russian lands, it became obvious that the Vatican’s plans to make her a conductor of Catholicism had failed, since Sophia immediately demonstrated a return to the faith of her ancestors. The papal legate Anthony was deprived of the opportunity to enter Moscow, carrying the Latin cross in front of him (see Korsun cross)[3]. “From the chronicles we know about the scandal associated with it: according to the plan of the Catholic wedding organizers, this Catholic cross was supposed to precede the wedding train, and under its shadow the procession was supposed to enter the Kremlin. The papal legate Anthony Bonumbre carried it in a wagon train. The news of this caused a great deal unrest in Rus'. The behavior of the papal legate caused a decisive rebuff in Moscow. Having learned that “krizhs are carried” before the legate according to the Catholic rite, the Grand Duke turned for clarification to Metropolitan Philip, who categorically demanded a ban on any propaganda of Catholicism on Russian soil. Then Ivan III “sent an ambassador to that legatos, so that no kryzh would go before him.” However, the groom Ivan III sent the boyar Fyodor Davydovich Lame to meet the bride with the order to “take away the kryzhs from the legatos and put them in the sleigh.” He met the convoy 15 versts from Moscow and snatched the cross from the hands of the legate, not allowing the future empress to enter with the Catholic “krozh.”[3] “Then the legato was afraid.”[4] Researchers believe that the crucifix, nevertheless, remained in the Moscow treasuries. Its history was forgotten, and it was installed in the altar of the main cathedral - the Assumption Cathedral, and used as a processional cross for large and small religious processions. A legend has developed around him that in “the old days before Ivan the Terrible” he was sent from the Greek patriarchs (that is, through Korsun) as a blessing to the Russian sovereigns (cf. the legend of Monomakh’s Cap), which is an example of the systematic PR policy of Ivan III in terms of ideological the transformation of Moscow into the “Third Rome”, the heir of the “Second Rome”. The wedding in Russia took place on November 12 (21), 1472 in the Assumption Cathedral in Moscow. They were married by Metropolitan Philip (according to the Sophia Vremnik - Kolomna archpriest Hosea)[4][5].
  98. 0
    31 May 2014 23: 08
    So this is how it turns out that Moscow is the Third Rome. — Liberation from the Mongol yoke, the unification of scattered small fiefs into the large Moscow state; the marriage of Tsar John III to Sophia Palaeologus, the niece (and, as it were, heiress) of the last Byzantine emperor; successes in the East (the conquest of the khanates of Kazan and Astrakhan) - all this justified in the eyes of contemporaries the idea of ​​Moscow’s right to such a role. On this basis, the custom of coronation of Moscow sovereigns, the adoption of the royal title and the Byzantine coat of arms, the establishment of the patriarchate, and the emergence of three legends arose:
    about the barmas and the royal crown received by Vladimir Monomakh from the Byzantine Emperor Constantine Monomakh
    about the origin of Rurik from Pruss, brother of the Roman Caesar Augustus
    about the white hood: this hood, as a symbol of church independence, was presented by Emperor Constantine the Great to Pope Sylvester, and the latter’s successors, in the consciousness of their unworthiness, handed it over to the Patriarch of Constantinople; from him it passed to the Novgorod rulers, and then to the Moscow metropolitans.
    Well, of course, there was a mixture of legends and truth, but the connection between Moscow and Constantinople and Rome is obvious. It is also obvious that Moscow, as the center of Orthodoxy and culture, remains the spiritual Third Rome. And most likely you should not pay attention to physical connections with the empire as a form of government in the Western understanding of governing the country. This leads to various manipulations from different schemers. "The Roman popes tried to rouse the Moscow sovereigns against the Turks, propagating the idea that the Russian tsars were the legitimate heirs of Byzantium; Venice acted in the same spirit. The theory of the Third Rome until the end of the XNUMXth century, namely until the wars with Turkey, did not leave the sphere of abstract questions: but even later it never received the character of a definite political program, although some reflection of it is heard: weaker in government statements during the liberation wars of Russia and Turkey on the Balkan Peninsula, stronger in the views of the Slavophiles."
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      1 June 2014 00: 09
      At least write where you got it from or at least post a link. D am So that we don't strain ourselves here. They're fed up with other people's "brains"...
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    31 May 2014 23: 52
    Not a good comparison... Third Rome.
    We have our own civilization. The West as a whole is a reflection of the ideas and aspirations of Rome.
    Extraction of resources from the colonies for the existence of the metropolis. Rome did this, so did France, England, Spain, Portugal, Holland and finally the USA. Why do you think life was so good in the West from 1990 to 2000? All money and resources from the USSR floated to the West. Thanks to this, it still exists today. If the collapse had not happened, the United States would have faced the Great Depression v 2.0, compared to which the 1st would have been just a walk in the park.
    In general, we have our own civilization, based on the use of our resources, on the labor of our people. We rarely robbed for the sake of the prosperity of the metropolis...
    In general, the article as a whole is "-", because The author apparently knows very little about the history and methods of action of civilizations.
    Now there are essentially only 3 development paths: the US path, the Russian path and the Chinese path. The Arabs cannot offer anything other than pipes and oil wells. India has moved extremely far away from the model of Ancient India and how the caste system should truly work.
    In general, I’m glad that we have our own path and our own goal.

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