Why Russia is not in a hurry to recognize Novorossia

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Initially, analyzing the situation back in 2013, it was clear that there were two main forces operating on the Maidan — the United States and the European Union represented by Germany. Moreover, Germany was at least a relatively hidden, but more interested player, because in the case of the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and the EU directly received all the economic benefits. The United States received, albeit a distant, but already foreseeable prospect of Ukraine joining NATO, which means advancing the American missile defense system to the borders of Russia. And here we must understand that the reduction in the flying time of nuclear missiles to Moscow to 12 minutes is a lasso on the neck of Russia, which at any moment can be tightly tightened. America is systematically and religiously moving toward this goal since the dissolution of the Warsaw bloc. But it was not customary to talk about it out loud, including in Russia (the intellectual stage of the conflict). Therefore, all the talk was about the accession or non-alignment of Ukraine to the EU (whether the girl wants to dance or does not want to).

As a result of the armed coup in Ukraine that took place in February 2014, Russia was forced to respond to the situation. By joining the Crimea, Moscow cut down the "dancer" right at the table. But further, the ill-fated intelligence did not allow to get and to injure the whole company. Intelligent explanations followed instead: “He himself asked for it, you see, he is drunk.”
In response, the opponents sounded from the table: “What are you doing, savage! He politely asked, and you had no right to do that. And he is not drunk at all. ”
A typical “mistake of an intellectual” was the assumption that the United States, having received a rebuff, would not translate the situation into an open and uncompromising confrontation (therefore, the injury did not reach). However, felled, having regained consciousness, instead of an apology, he began to incite the entire “intelligent” company to jointly take revenge on the offender ...

Having recovered from the March shock, the United States took the entire European Union into a hard turn and launched an offensive against Russia, the main goal of which was to provoke the beginning of a big fight. Here then Russia will appear in full "a savage who made a brawl in a restaurant."

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The introduction of troops in Novorossia, in contrast to the Crimea, is not beneficial for Moscow, and here's why. Crimea is a separate conversation. There is a Russian naval base of enormous geostrategic importance. The threat of its loss and the emergence of a US base in its place was already a sufficient condition for the start of active operations. Plus - the Crimea is a peninsula and its control in the military plan at the initial stage consists in blocking the Perekop isthmus, which is easy to implement. And, of course, the economic prospects of owning the Crimea will soon be demonstrated to Ukraine, which failed to develop this fertile region in the 23 year. Thus, the annexation of the Crimea is a separate strategic task, for the fulfillment of which the current tactical conditions were extremely skillfully used.

Now let's talk about the main strategic goal of Russia in Ukraine. It is more and more clearly coming to the fore and more and more openly becoming the subject of international statements (intelligence is moving aside and things are beginning to be called by their proper names). Notice, almost no one talks about the Crimea (about the first blow to the jaw) as it faded into the background and talk about an agreement with the EU (what the girl wants). It becomes obvious that the true purpose of the "dancer" was to insult the company at the next table, and not to dance with their girlfriend.


Russia does not need a section of Ukraine. Russia needs a loyal, united, stable, economically developed neighbor with a non-aligned status who is guaranteed not to deploy the American missile defense system on its territory! But then the question arises before Moscow: how to solve this problem tactically?

Option № 1 - enter the troops. But where to enter? On the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk republics? So, what is next? And then NATO peacekeeping troops will appear on the rest of the territory of Ukraine and its division will occur, as it happened with Germany at the time. In the central and western parts of the pro-American government will continue. Is it profitable for Russia? Does this solve the problem of NATO and missile defense? Of course not.

Option № 2 - massive and lightning entry of troops to the whole territory of Ukraine, the actual occupation of the country. In this case, NATO is unlikely to push itself, because it will be a war with Russia, and not just the entry of peacekeeping troops. In addition, Ukraine is not a member of the alliance. Moscow will control the situation, but will it then receive a “loyal, united, stable, etc.” neighbor represented by Ukraine? Of course no. It will receive a huge unstable, divided territory with an indefinite status, on which the guerrilla-terrorist war will begin. Plus, the iron curtain from the West.

Remains option number 3 “Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare an eternal friendship with Russia, and Russia will help it, as it did before.” For this, a national liberation war should begin inside Ukraine itself. To do this, the Ukrainians themselves must stand under the gun and say a loud "No!" To the junta and her puppeteers. This is exactly what the puppeteers themselves understand and fear. That is why there are punitive operations in the country. It was for this that people were burned in Odessa. That is why Poroshenko was ordered to quickly and brutally suppress the resistance of the east.

That is why Russia will not accept Novorossia in its membership and will not recognize its independent status. But that is why it will secretly help her national liberation struggle - the process of liberation should go from inside Ukraine.

With the adoption of the economic package of the agreement with the EU, in a couple of months Ukraine will feel all the “charms” of European integration, and then the number of passionaries in the country will increase dramatically, and the wave of popular indignation will no longer hold. But until that moment, the unrecognized New Russia should hold on. To hold on like the banner of a new, free and independent Ukraine, under which new passionaries of Odessa, Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk and other Ukrainian cities will later emerge.

This wave will begin to gain strength by the turn of summer and autumn of the current year. But, of course, the puppeteers of the junta understand this, and therefore, having finally gone mad, they can start undisguised terror and the genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine with use against civilians weapons mass destruction. And then Russia will have no choice but to intervene openly.
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  1. +34
    1 2014 June
    “And then Russia will have no choice but to intervene openly.” “At the same time, everyone understands that we will get an endlessly smoldering conflict, and then say goodbye to dreams of a better life ...
    1. +23
      1 2014 June
      Quote: author
      By the adoption of the economic package of the agreement with the EU, in a couple of months Ukraine will feel all the "charms" of European integration and then the number of passionaries in the country will increase sharply

      This wave will begin to gain strength by the turn of the summer-fall of this year.


      Something somehow in Odessa and other cities are not very zealous citizens in relation to the junta. They brake, endure kicks in the ass, spitting in the face, etc.

      And Poroshenko doesn’t really want to associate with the EU (maybe the United States so ordered). And in view of the large hedgehog in the Southeast, the people in Europe also do not really want to accept such muddy types as sidekicks, and even before that, they also didn’t really want to accept the hungry men.
      1. +62
        1 2014 June
        Something somehow in Odessa and other cities are not very zealously tuned citizens in relation to the junta.

        Yesterday in Odessa, not 40 days from Khatyn # 2, how is the company K2, owned by Klitschko, spent an evening of boxing, fights in the middle and heavy weight! For the first time between the rounds, as I understand it, there was not a girl in a swimsuit with a sign, but in Ukrainian ribbons! The main "hero", boxer Alexander Usik, is the one who danced the hopak after winning the Olympics. He grew a forelock for himself, positions himself as a patriot of Ukraine, he comes from Simferopol (Crimea).

        Guess who the opponent was? Argetinian boxer, nicknamed "El Ruso" - "Russian". Naturally I lost beautifully. Randomness: Odessa and El Russo? In the hall from time to time they shouted "Glory to Ukraine!" and "Glory to the Heroes!" That's what I'll tell you friends, Odessa, like Dnepropetrovsk, is a classic Russian-speaking, but Russophobic city. I think they are there, as in my Berdyansk, from 45% to 55% at best. Mikhalkov is right about Odessa. In the next 5 years, due to a new generation, mass media and settlement from Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city with a million population, which will disown its Russianness, may become Kharkov and Zaporozhye. Moreover, Zaporozhye is rapidly degenerating. crying
        1. +17
          1 2014 June
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          . Mikhalkov is right in Odessa. In the next 5 years, at the expense of the new generation, the media and settling in Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city of one million people, who will disown their Russianness, may become Kharkov and Zaporozhye

          No, Glory is not right, the world is now so unpredictable that it is impossible to predict what will happen, cher year. Changes are moving rapidly and Ukraine will not escape a change, as well as Odessa.
          1. +5
            1 2014 June
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Nevsky_ZU
            . Mikhalkov is right in Odessa. In the next 5 years, at the expense of the new generation, the media and settling in Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city of one million people, who will disown their Russianness, may become Kharkov and Zaporozhye

            No, Glory is not right, the world is now so unpredictable that it is impossible to predict what will happen, cher year. Changes are moving rapidly and Ukraine will not escape a change, as well as Odessa.


            Probably you are right.
            1. komrad.klim
              +10
              1 2014 June
              Germany in the middle of the XX century was in euphoria for 10 years!
              Until you raked p-lei!
              And if she (Germany) were persuaded in a good way, would it be positive?
              1. +18
                1 2014 June
                Need help New Russia behind the scenes. Aid should be humanitarian, financial, material, weapons, specialist volunteers.
                No one talks about direct military assistance and the deployment of Russian troops.
                People themselves must free first Novorossia, and then the whole of Ukraine, but without the help of Russia, they will not be able to do it.
                1. +35
                  1 2014 June
                  Undoubtedly it is necessary to help, but the punishers must remember that their fate has already been decided!
                  1. Victoria 1980
                    +18
                    2 2014 June
                    In my opinion, there are no brothers. This is me about Ukraine and Russia.
                    So I think, and who said it would be ours? That Ukraine will rise and free itself? In my opinion, none of the scenarios in our interests has been realized in Ukraine in 23 years. If there were any, these scripts! Was Russophobia brought up? YES. Was there an orange revolution with the "extra-script" coming of Bandera's Yushchenko? YES. The prospect of joining the Customs Union with a donation of 15 billion dollars and a discount on gas in addition ended with what? That's right, the overthrow of Yanyk and the coming to power of the Americans. Why should this scenario-a fairy tale about the internal liberation of Ukraine be realized? That's right, with no one. Greetings to Russian saboteur strategists and failures.
                    I think that the absence of any strategy in Ukraine has now led to the red line where we must make decisions. Or we give Ukraine to the West and wash ourselves. Or we are saving what is important to us in Ukraine - these are the people of Ukraine who consider us brothers, defense plants that Ukraine inherited for nothing from the USSR, geostrategic security and act toughly and immediately. Yes, with a big pay for it, with risks. But ... we ourselves are to blame! We all overslept and missed this with the irresponsibility and mediocrity of the Russian authorities!
                    The Americans have come and are openly developing an operation to clean up the East, and we will dream about how Novorossia will free itself. Stupidity is complete. Who will let her rise? Maybe the junta?
                    1. 573385
                      -21
                      2 2014 June
                      40 billion candy wrappers in the banks of Switzerland have already been found with Putin, he immediately became a peacemaker. They will find another 100-will run ahead of Poroshenko to eliminate the "troublemakers" !!!
                      1. +6
                        3 2014 June
                        Quote: 573385
                        40 billion

                        You are clearly not in trend, belolentochnye about 400 recently whispered!
                        But in fact, a clear illustration of your idea of ​​happiness and reflection of ideas about power.
                        Maybe someday you will understand, the most powerful people are not the top lines of Forbes, there they are absolutely inconspicuous people MANAGING MONEY of these people and states. We have this GDP and others like them.
                      2. 4952915
                        +2
                        3 2014 June
                        Quote: 573385
                        40 billion candy wrappers in the banks of Switzerland have already been found with Putin, he immediately became a peacemaker. They will find another 100-will run ahead of Poroshenko to eliminate the "troublemakers" !!!



                        Only a person with the most severe form of ancephaly can give out such pearls ... Well, who in the West and when will allow Putin to use at least a cent from Western banks ?! If there was anything, now the Ohr would be standing in the vicinity of the Galaxy ...
                      3. 573385
                        0
                        3 2014 June
                        Look for ancephalopathy at your place. For the rest, I ask you to remember who found a former KGB Schnik who failed his practice in the GDR, climbed on a German woman; the failed banker, the Leningrad Council tried to bring him to justice for stealing 25 dollars intended for the purchase of food - Sobchak did not give the case move; ascetic in the retinue of the head of the Sobchak security guard, the "brute daddy" of the St. Petersburg mafia, who was arrested under Ben, but released in the same way as the "stool man"? Is it not a familiar memory of British intelligence agent Boris Abramovich Berezovsky ?! , as a sign of protest, the then Prime Minister Primakov !!! Maybe the "ancestralists" have amnesia, but I remember how Benny "transferred" power! How, under the 000th treaty, OUR armed forces were smashed while NATO was rearming! How the FSB-Schnikov was caught after laying a land mine in the basement of the house, the explosions stopped after that! How did they prevent the destruction of the "Czechs" by providing "corridors" for escape, substituting their own for the slaughter, I also will not forget! How do you think Putin is going to protect the interests of Russia, if his daughter is married to a representative of the Kennedy clan, one of the co-owners of the Obamka ?! And ask the precious president, where did the fund for future generations, stabilization and reserve funds, more than TRILLION of "candy wrappers", placed in the banks of the potential enemy-USA \ opponents of this power are so show off here ... \ ?! On the rest of "tricks" of Putin, let you "alyoshka" breshet.
                      4. +1
                        4 2014 June
                        Quote: 573385
                        but I remember how

                        And the above, too, remember as an eyewitness or participant?
                        Is it really that bad for you?
                      5. +1
                        3 2014 June
                        FACTS CAN BE IN A STUDIO! And THAT SLEEP ON BLUE EYE EASY !!!
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                3. +2
                  3 2014 June
                  There is option number 4: to achieve the deployment of UN peacekeeping forces - the Russian contingent in the south-eastern part, any other in the western.
                  To do this, for example, provoke a desire in Western Ukraine to secede from Ukraine!
                  1. jaan
                    0
                    4 2014 June
                    I would take to work whether Russia can be a rich country. You can be wealthy if citizens are hardworking (Japan has no natural resources). Russia has everything and poor citizens.
                4. khromin111
                  +1
                  3 2014 June
                  exactly. independently, but under supervision ...
                5. +1
                  3 2014 June
                  While Russia does not openly help, I propose to transfer by thousand people to people or organizations that help the Donbas. Where in the internet you will find.
                6. 0
                  3 2014 June
                  While Russia does not openly help, I propose to transfer by thousand people to people or organizations that help the Donbas. Where in the internet you will find.
          2. Alexan
            +15
            1 2014 June
            All "unpredictable" events are necessarily planned and financed by someone. Zaporozhye, Dnipro, Odessa, etc. not in one year they changed mentality and not by themselves - they invested a lot of money, experience, knowledge of herd psychology. In order to mobilize the "underground sofa workers" the presence of armed detachments is necessary. Now these are the right-hand people - the Natsiks have crawled out. The Russians will come in - the patriots will come out. The only way! They go to bayonets only out of despair and despair. but the majority have something to lose - it's good, we live satisfyingly and burnings in the House of Trade Unions can be avoided by sitting in your apartment by hanging the zhovto-blakit on the balcony.
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          4. 0
            3 2014 June
            He is right Odessa, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson - Crimea counted the drain under the junta! They are learning a new way to lick the ass of the USA and the EU. They think they will let new Eurobombs and scavengers to themselves, without visas. Yeah, yep! Recently I was shown filming of a gypsy, Romanian camp in a resort village in Portugal. So, local residents, he was so enthusiastic that only Romanians did not spit on their faces. Openly called them pigs for fasting. men drunkenness and dirt near the camp and the bottle everywhere. And women were called sluts and thieves.
        2. vlum
          +5
          1 2014 June
          Do you think that the behavior of the public in sports is an indicator of the mood of the urban population? But what about the majority of citizens who do not attend such events?

          In this situation, it is time to say that there is a complete disregard for the role of people's representatives. If the "activists" are against, then don't care about the voting results. What about the Euromaidan protests after the failure of Hurwitz's election? Have they finally merged or will there still be a continuation?
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        4. batonoGivi
          +12
          1 2014 June
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Odessa, already like Dnepropetrovsk, is a classic Russian-speaking, but Russophobian city

          The fact is that the south of Ukraine is actually under the heel of Kolomoisky. He has many interests in the Dnieper, Zaporozhye, and other cities. I will not say anything about the port cities - Odessa, Nikolaev. Thus, the majority of people are against the junta, but the city and regional authorities, power structures - all for the junta and paid for by the "Kiev grandmother who fed the Maidan." All sorts of performances are instantly suppressed, and marginal policemen like Yantsen are cared for and cherished. The military units, again, are loyal to the regime, the population does not have enough weapons, and most importantly! there is no unity.
          1. +3
            3 2014 June
            In fact, recently I hear from my friends that they have to break off relations with their relatives and friends in Kiev and the central part of Ukraine, moreover, at the request of the Ukrainians themselves. They really consider us enemies !!! And these are people with higher education.
            1. +1
              3 2014 June
              and at the request of precisely the Ukrainians. They really consider us enemies !!! And these are people with higher education.


              About the deceased - or good, or .... It's about education in Ukraine
              The community of people, where nepotism and the great desire for a freebie, as the goals of all life covers the vast majority of this community, does not even think about knowing the community surrounding this WORLD. And without this there is no HIGHER EDUCATION. There is education or neglect. By the way, this is not necessarily only Ukrainians. It is not customary to think and analyze here. We need simple ready-made schemes leading to prosperity and peace. This is in all ethnic groups. In Ukraine, it goes off scale.
        5. komrad.klim
          +6
          1 2014 June
          UKRO MUTATION!
          how sad it is to realize this.
          But what do mutants do ??????????????????????????
          I personally know.
        6. +1
          3 2014 June
          In the next 5 years, they will take a sip of life at the direction of the IMF (I think we don’t need to tell us what it is), they will re-do it more than once (they will definitely master a couple of maidans - they have such a tradition every 2,5 years).
        7. GDP
          +3
          3 2014 June
          If we continue to play strategists and watch how our people are killed in Ukraine, expressing concern, then Donetsk and Slavyansk will be crushed and there will be the same Dnepropetrovsk - Regions of Russian-speaking Russophobes.
          Love us for the fact that we did not intervene we will not.
          On the contrary, they will boast about how they bent down the muscles that tried to destroy Ukraine
          and children will be taught this in schools - about who their true enemy is ...
      2. +4
        2 2014 June
        Quote: Sunjar
        Something somehow in Odessa and other cities are not very zealously tuned citizens in relation to the junta.

        In Odessa, a guerrilla war is already in full swing, the junta continues mass arrests of popular activists, and the people are trying to take revenge on the murderers on May 2 .. it seems that not only Mikola was killed but also some guest performers .. In general, the same Kharkov is silent, because such a scale of repression as it was nowhere else, more than 1000 popular activists seized and their fate is not known. Most of the police there are from the western regions, just as full of guest performers who are ready at any time to arrange a show of terror as in Odessa. I hope that the people will nevertheless organize some kind of liberation movement, especially as the Nazi combat wing is now mainly in the Donbass, this should be used ..
        1. +1
          2 2014 June
          They didn’t manage to fill up Nicola, they hid him on his SBU, they all sang that they had arrested him.
        2. +2
          2 2014 June
          Quote: DEfindER
          A partisan war is already going on in Odessa,

          It seems to me that rumors about "the whole ongoing guerrilla war" are greatly exaggerated! Just an attempt to wishful thinking. Unfortunately.
    2. +39
      1 2014 June
      With dreams of a better life ALREADY need to say goodbye: did not live well - do not FIG and try. The United States is so purposefully and at all costs trying to tear Europe away from Russia that they will make any sacrifices, especially in Ukraine, realizing that Russia will not leave its brothers without help in this case. And the Americans can succeed, because now with ANY options for the development of events it’s so easy to put out this conflict. And this means in any case that accusations against Russia and sanctions will increase, even if Russia does not intervene.
      Isn’t it better to intervene in the milder way: the demand to withdraw troops and sit at the negotiating table; failed - no-fly zone and pinpoint strikes on accumulations of Ukrainian heavy equipment. At the same time - massive humanitarian, military - equipment, weapons and equipment help the republics of Donbass.
      1. +9
        1 2014 June
        In fact - this is precisely what matters. This is what the article was written about ...
      2. polkownik1
        +20
        1 2014 June
        And it's time, finally, to stop practicing in super-streamlined diplomatic rhetoric. After Obama spoke to students of the military academy, we received the full right to openly declare the interests of Russia, as well as our intentions to defend these interests by all means.
        1. VSC
          +1
          1 2014 June
          Yes sir. But why one star?
      3. +2
        1 2014 June
        Isn’t it better to intervene in the milder way: the demand to withdraw troops and sit at the negotiating table; failed - no-fly zone and pinpoint strikes on accumulations of Ukrainian heavy equipment.


        Apparently, the Supreme calculated this option. It will be used as a last resort (many victims, for example, with massive shelling of cities). In Ukraine, there is such propaganda now that the Russian army is definitely not happy with 30-40 percent. No need to give them a reason for a full-scale war! Something like this...
        1. +1
          2 2014 June
          Quote: voldmis
          In Ukraine, there is such propaganda now that the Russian army is definitely not happy with 30-40 percent.

          More, much more. They are all there, crazy. My wife’s friend lives in Lviv. At the last telephone conversation, I heard so much nasty things from them, but at the end they said that they don’t want to know, not to talk! This is PARENTS, can you imagine?
          1. 4952915
            +3
            3 2014 June
            Quote: Bayonet
            Quote: voldmis
            In Ukraine, there is such propaganda now that the Russian army is definitely not happy with 30-40 percent.

            More, much more. They are all there, crazy. My wife’s friend lives in Lviv. At the last telephone conversation, I heard so much nasty things from them, but at the end they said that they don’t want to know, not to talk! This is PARENTS, can you imagine?


            This is what. My colleague in the first half of the 90s served as an investigator in Ivano-Frankivsk. So for about 4 years, his brainwashed so much that he, back in 1995, returned to the Urals, still squeals that Bandera is a hero, and Putin is the new Hitler))) Attention - the fun is that he is Bashkirin by nationality )))) What kind of propaganda is there among Ukrainians? Maybe there is something with the air? In reality, people's brains turn off completely.
        2. +2
          3 2014 June
          I was recently told that in Ukraine there is such information through the media that allegedly Russian saboteurs attack postal workers when they distribute pensions and take money from them, therefore, as authorities explain, they delay payments to pensioners. And the worst thing is that Ukrainians believe this. They say correctly, the more incredible a lie, the better they believe in it.
      4. +1
        2 2014 June
        It was necessary to immediately take the southeast together with Crimea, then the sanctions would be the same as now. Time is lost, now sanctions will be imposed and the southeast will be destroyed.
    3. +8
      1 2014 June
      There remains option number 3 - Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia,
      So far, I don’t see much help from Russia. If the United States begins to supply all kinds of military garbage and doubled its assistance to Ukraine, then we ...? Nothing yet.
      1. +32
        1 2014 June
        The fact of the matter is that no one sees help, but helicopters shoot down!
        1. +6
          1 2014 June
          Quote: klas000000
          The fact of the matter is that no one sees help, but helicopters shoot down!

          Well, that is a given winked
          1. +6
            1 2014 June
            Some help is still there, it seems like the "bumblebees" lit up there. Another thing is that all this may be the result of voluntary barter of Ukrainian soldiers with the local population, and Russia may be completely out of business.
        2. +5
          1 2014 June
          And burned out, torn armor and this is not a Molotov cocktail.
        3. +18
          1 2014 June
          Better yet, take the Israeli experience into service: at night, unknown planes flew from neutral territory and did not enter the airspace to expand their positions. In the morning, a surprised face: ah, what happened? And who did it? Or full egnor as an option.
          1. +6
            1 2014 June
            Will not go.
            Americans from satellites will precisely indicate where the plane took off and where it landed.
            Now, if that aircraft technology that remained in the Crimea was panned and driven to the PURE aerodrome in Donetsk, and from there to strike, then yes.
            1. 0
              2 2014 June
              what will they track at night? - I think not
            2. +2
              2 2014 June
              Also an option. Only the airfield needs to be CLEARED ...
            3. +2
              2 2014 June
              It’s necessary, like Kakly, to bomb and then declare that they themselves destroyed request
          2. +1
            2 2014 June
            Do not care radars, night or day. Airspace is controlled quite tightly and not by Ukraine alone.
        4. +2
          2 2014 June
          sorry little knock
      2. +1
        3 2014 June
        Providing help, it’s not customary to ring the bell about it all over the world! Helicopters are falling.
    4. +14
      1 2014 June
      Hmm ... After shutting down GAS (99%), the situation will worsen by the fall ... The economy of the Square will completely collapse! Nobody in the West is going to sponsor Ukraine !!! As a result, the decline in living standards ... Other areas will stretch to the southeast ... The result is sad but logical ... DECAY !!! CHAOS will gain momentum ... And when MILLIONS of refugees reach ... The West will RISE !!! And end in collapse ...
      1. +4
        1 2014 June
        Nobody will block the gas! either they will not block it at all, or they will limit the supply - but the EU will sponsor Ukraine. that is, Kiev’s position is the same - we will suck gas, and either Russia or the EU will pay
      2. nicollider
        +1
        1 2014 June
        refugees trample to Russia and not to Poland
        1. +8
          2 2014 June
          From the west to Poland will trample. Poland already has a lot of them. The Poles themselves are not happy. The fact is that high-class specialists from the defense industry are fleeing from the southeast to Russia, and every rabble without education is going to Europe from Galicia
      3. +2
        1 2014 June
        At the same time, take coal and metal from Donetsk!
        That would definitely collapse.
      4. macarque
        +2
        1 2014 June
        I am embarrassed to ask refugees to reach where? in Russia? do not care for the West. reach for europe? the main puppeteer overseas and he also does not care
        1. +1
          1 2014 June
          Quote: Macarka
          refugees reach where? in Russia?

          Yes, it seems already.
          Recently, the transfer was how to get status.
          And then _ 90 days and HELLO UKRAINE 1
      5. +3
        2 2014 June
        And their media will say that Russia is guilty that they again have a famine and a civil war.
      6. +2
        2 2014 June
        Quote: Armagedon
        After shutting down GAS (99%), the situation will worsen by the fall ...

        May be. Or maybe it’s different - the whole of Ukraine will yell about the genocide of the Ukrainian people, which they want to freeze the oath of an oscal.
      7. +2
        3 2014 June
        Gas - not shut off, that's for sure!
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    6. +2
      1 2014 June
      In short, we will get "the second North Caucasus"! And you can't "interfere", though! ("but help is constantly coming"!). How to be ?! And we do not want to meet the cargo "200", and SE should be "supported"! HOW TO BE ?! I'm in a stupor, I can't find the answer to my own question !!! I CAN NOT!!!
      1. +3
        1 2014 June
        Quote: asar
        How to be ?! And we don't want to meet the cargo "200"

        And there are 33 of them from Donetsk
      2. true love
        0
        1 2014 June
        Ask Putin.
      3. +1
        2 2014 June
        "I'm in a stupor, I can't find the answer to my own question !!! I CAN'T !!!"


        Answer: Su-35 link with hibs under the wings. Unlike Ukrainians, our punches can be punched without hitting civilians. Peck pravosekov throughout Ukraine links Su-35. IMHO.
        1. Voronbit
          +1
          3 2014 June
          designed for such operations Su-34
    7. +11
      1 2014 June
      Definitely Option 3.
      Everything else leads to disastrous consequences, no matter how you say it!
      I completely agree with the author: Everything should come from the Ukrainians themselves. Kharkiv Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk should rise, but this, as we see, is not realistic !!!
      All hope for New Russia !!!
      But this little utopian little thing sounds unfortunately.
      And Russia should help informally understandably, otherwise tryndets guys!
      Slowly transport volunteer weapons to medicines.
      Death to fascism! Victory will be ours!
      1. +1
        2 2014 June
        They will have to wait a long time. Until it comes to them that there’s essentially nothing to pay for their dear life. Until the public consciousness is ripe for something to do. And to top it off, one who organizes everyone. And New Russia all this time will have to hold on somehow and this is not a month or two)
    8. Vlad Gore
      +12
      1 2014 June
      - everyone at the same time understands that we will get an infinitely smoldering conflict, and then goodbye dreams of a better life ...
      Stop whining. Afraid of wolves, do not go to the forest. As long as we have a decisive president, it’s not necessary to harass him with his lamentations. It is not yet known which mattress will replace. Russia now has a historic chance and it should not be missed. soldier
      1. Vita_vko
        +18
        1 2014 June
        While all sorts of grief analysts "hover in the skies" talking about the reasons why Putin, with a legitimate mandate to send peacekeeping troops, distance himself from the events in Novorossia, genocide and terror of the population in the region is steadily increasing. Moreover, terrorist groups are already infiltrating the territory of Crimea, I am sure that other regions of Russia are under a potential blow in the plans of Kiev advisers from the United States.
        Therefore, events will develop not according to scenario "3" - which everyone is supposedly waiting for, but according to their own scenario.
        To understand it, it is enough to imagine how much the multimillion population of the South-East can withstand in the conditions of the economic and food blockade. The situation is reminiscent of the Nazi blockade of Leningrad. Obviously, the revision of the strategy took place after the CIA advisers burned themselves with Georgia when he initiated "Blitzkrieg" in South Ossetia with the help of Saakashvili. Now they are carefully keeping the situation on the brink. At the same time, the West is spreading the illusion of Ukraine's bankruptcy. But this bankruptcy is selective, only for Russia. In fact, the process of large-scale militarization of the country is under way, and the United States and Germany have more than enough financial resources for this. And the Americans are doing everything very cunningly, in fact, at the expense of Russia. It is obvious that dragging out the gas negotiations is a primitive extortion and blackmail, not only of Russia, but also of Europe, which is beginning to resist and does not want to finance the fascists.
        Therefore, without decisive actions by Russia, namely: political, with the recognition of the DPR and LPR, as well as humanitarian actions, including assistance in creating the banking sector, the support of enterprises of the peoples of Novorossia will not last long. And to wait until "collective farmers with pitchforks and miners with shovels" will lie under the tanks and helicopters the height of idiocy.
        1. +6
          2 2014 June
          Support!
          1. It is necessary to determine and call in all the media the military operations as a people's liberation armed struggle against the oligarchic-fascist junta.
          2. Name the militia movement as the "People's Liberation Army of Ukraine".
          3. Expand the movement for the creation of a new state "Ukrainian Free Confederation", where there will be independent republics - DPR, LPR and further as the readiness and results of referendums in other areas supporting the fight against oligarchic fascism and genocide of the population.
          4. It is urgent for Russia to recognize the DPR and LPR, which will ensure the opening of borders and the flow of humanitarian and other assistance.
          5. At the global level, the media should raise the world movement, issue an Appeal for a full-scale fight against fascism, indicating that the supporters of fascism are the United States, Germany and the EU countries that support the junta. "White paper" with the crimes of the junta as confirmation of fascism in Ukraine.
          6. International organizations of journalists should join in the struggle to break through the information blockade. Act on all fronts !!!
          7. How in Spain in the 30 years to start an open organization of inter-brigades not only from the countries of the former USSR, but also from other countries.
          8. On the political arena and in the media, to demonstrate, giving a comparison and showing real facts, how in Ukraine the media incite hatred of those who disagree with the regime and encourage Russophobic sentiments.
          9. The fight against the fascist junta is the main goal of the militias of the East and Southeast, and not separation from Ukraine. Then the concept of separatists in the Ukrainian media will not work.
          10 Systematic work with the military with an explanation of anti-fascist slogans and agitation for armed joint action against the fascist oligarchy.
          11. Finally, military assistance in full, equipping the militias and the inter-brigade with weapons.
          1. +1
            2 2014 June
            I don’t need any Ukrainian free confederation, Novorossia, and let the Ukrainian Federation federate Galicia with Ivanofrankovsky
          2. +1
            3 2014 June
            By Comment: andrey56 RU Yesterday, 08:37 ↑

            Support!
            1. It is necessary to determine and call in all the media the military operations as a people's liberation armed struggle against the oligarchic-fascist junta.
            2. Name the militia movement as the "People's Liberation Army of Ukraine" ...

            Add item 12. Inside Western Ukraine, there should be a desire to secede from Ukraine and, for example, to join Poland (the special services should work correctly). Referendum and secession. This will knock all Western settings! Western Ukraine has never been a native of Ukraine (even in the Soviet years), all the time life was poisoned and all the "western infection" comes from there.
          3. jaan
            0
            4 2014 June
            I do not understand. For fifty years, fascists have been living in Ukraine. Stalin and his successors perfectly killed them yet.
            1. +2
              4 2014 June
              Quote: jaan
              Stalin and his successors perfectly killed them yet.

              It turns out that not all of them. Spared. Like General Jaruzelski, who did not shoot the "solidarity" revolutionaries, but sat down with them at the negotiating table. But at his funeral, it turned out that in Poland they could not bury the hero with dignity, who did not allow Brezhnev to bring in troops.
              1. jaan
                0
                6 2014 June
                The fact that after 50 years there were only 1%. So many voted for nationalists in Ukraine. Within the framework of statistical error
        2. ivan.kormoran
          +2
          2 2014 June
          Wai what an ANALYTIC. Think for yourself, why do we need extra crap, as your teachers say - step by step! With Crimea, it would be better to understand, the budget of the Olympiad is "resting" in comparison with this business project of joining! Listen, maybe you, as an ANALYTIC, will advise the independent state of Israel to return to their original Jewish lands in the Odessa and Vinnitsa Oblast Nezalezhnaya !!!
          and a few facts about the entry of troops into the territory of Independence:
          1. Whose Proverb - Pans fight at the lackeys forelocks crack. Those who suffer-simple Russian people.
          2. Many of you dream about shedding the blood of young children from Russia. There in Nezalezhnaya I think that there are too many former military men with HUGE experience, even though they at least protect their families !!!
          3. Who prevents to take control of the border ??? And what is there to bring trucks with Ukrainian numbers to Nezalezhnaya, I think that Ukrainians will decide for themselves. and many of them ride along the roads of Russia, poor fellows, shabbat.
          4. Please do not touch HOLY! The siege of Leningrad with this nonsense, which they themselves did not dare to compare to themselves in the Independent Ukrainians. They chose how they worked, and let them think how to fix it, and the polite will help.
          with respect.
      2. +11
        1 2014 June
        I agree with you, nothing to whine. Here is what Gubarev says about this. Threat liked the keyword, Suddenly !!!
    9. +1
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      “And then Russia will have no choice but to intervene openly.” “At the same time, everyone understands that we will get an endlessly smoldering conflict, and then say goodbye to dreams of a better life ...


      I hope that such an option will arise in the most extreme case, with the introduction of NATO troops in Ukraine. Then there will simply be no other way out. Then the war.
    10. -6
      1 2014 June
      Smoldering conflict can be avoided.
      There is the option of deporting Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv and other regions to the regions of the Arctic, with the creation of New Ukraine.
      All 100% of the inhabitants, without exception.
      The time for deportation is 1 month.
      Collective farms for breeding polar bears are created there.
      And yet!
      1. +2
        1 2014 June
        What for, we don’t need these fascists in the Arctic !!! Moreover, strategic resources are oil and gas in the Arctic, and these fascists will get everything here !!
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      3. +4
        2 2014 June
        How many times have they told the world: "Banderlogy-only to Poland," and will not take it, as in a movie, turn off the gas.
      4. +2
        2 2014 June
        No, it’s impossible to pollute the Arctic Circle, let their beloved cunt be on their way to Polandia, but if they don’t like to go to Polandia, let them go further, Uncle can’t wait for them, he worries about them.
    11. +2
      1 2014 June
      “And then Russia will have no choice but to intervene openly.” “At the same time, everyone understands that we will get an endlessly smoldering conflict, and then say goodbye to dreams of a better life ...

      It depends on how you intervene. There are no "endlessly smoldering" conflicts without stable external support. It is quite possible to chop off such with real control.
    12. niklaus
      +7
      1 2014 June
      Ukraine is needed all but only as part of Russia, otherwise the current situation will be repeated. There was no such country and it is not needed, and there is no pro-Russian government there and will not be there, but to keep them and still wait for a knife in the back who needs it. The only conclusion is to bring in troops and remind them about 10 years old that they are Russian, and who does not like a suitcase, station, EU.
      1. +2
        2 2014 June
        Quote: nicklaus
        Ukraine is needed all but only as part of Russia

        Then you will definitely have to "contain them and still wait for a knife in the back", continuing with your words - "who needs it?"
        1. +1
          2 2014 June
          Quote: Bayonet
          Then you will definitely have to "contain them and still wait for a knife in the back", continuing with your words - "who needs it?"


          But it’s impossible in another way. This is our land! ...
          1. +1
            2 2014 June
            Quote: dkflbvbh
            But in another way it is impossible.

            It is possible and necessary
    13. Djein
      +1
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      "And then Russia will have no choice but to intervene openly." "- at the same time, everyone understands that we will get an endlessly smoldering conflict, and then say goodbye to dreams of a better life ...

      It depends on how to intervene ...
      The hatred and loathing caused by the ukrfazists and their American and other patrons by what they do ...... among our people, I think so much that if anyone goes according to this scenario, they will regret everyone who persistently achieved this ... America COMPRESSIBLE
      the spring and DOES NOT PRESENT what will happen when it IS BREEDING ... It is COMPRESSED for a long time ... and it is not for nothing that they transport food to their underground shelters ... They feel the creatures what they are leading to and HOW what will end ... IT IS NOT ABLE TO WORLD so much time to mock UNKNOWN ...
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    15. 0
      2 2014 June
      For me, the author did not say anything new, I have been repeating this in various debates for a month, but did not want to listen to the sofa party.

      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      at the same time everyone understands that we will get an infinitely smoldering conflict, and then goodbye dreams of a better life ...


      But judging by the pluses put to you - unfortunate patriots, something is beginning to reach.
    16. 0
      3 2014 June
      While Russia does not openly intervene, I propose to transfer by thousand people to people who help the Donbas. Old where as on the Internet you will find.
    17. 0
      3 2014 June
      While Russia does not openly intervene, I propose to transfer by thousand people to people who help the Donbas. Old where as on the Internet you will find.
  2. SuperStarLay
    +20
    1 2014 June
    In any case, the no-fly zone over Novorossiya must be declared. Rather, it was necessary to announce "yesterday".
  3. +1
    1 2014 June
    If we need time for definiteness, we need elementary, including military assistance from Russia, there and so all the Russian weapons are participating, and let’s figure out who supplies where and from ...
  4. +14
    1 2014 June
    He started for health, and finished for peace. After all, how did the author entitled the material?
    Why Russia is not in a hurry to recognize Novorossia
    RECOGNIZE rather than send troops. This is not the same thing. Even if we do not recognize it at the official level, then to provide comprehensive assistance, from propaganda to military, to demarches and ultimatums, what is stopping us? There is the USA, than they do not help the junta, and it is precisely their help that contributes to the escalation of the conflict. Poroshenko and Archibald (director of the National Secret Operations Service) signed a paper entitled, no more no less, as the "Agreement on military cooperation between the United States and Ukraine." Thus, the CIA, bypassing Congress, can carry out full-fledged international cooperation in the military industry. So, the conflict will only grow. And something needs to be done with this.
    1. avt
      +8
      1 2014 June
      Quote: demotivator
      RECOGNIZE rather than send troops.

      No need to run ahead of the locomotive! To paraphrase one saying from the cartoon - in order to recognize something, you must first create it. In order for even "private" companies like "Gozprom" and "Rosneft" to conclude business contracts, it is necessary to create stable, administrative and economic structures of power capable of controlling the situation on the ground, with which in fact they will work. As in Transnistria, this is difficult work, especially in a civil war. Volunteer managers will help, there is no doubt about it. The main thing for them now is to hold out with our help, not to let themselves be crushed and discouraged. Understand, you can’t jump into the king like that by sounding a couple of statements on camera initiative group! There are objective steps in building a state and they must be passed, preferably quickly, but not jump over them! If everything goes smoothly and not crookedly, then those sane army men in the regions adjacent to Donbass and Luhansk will be drawn to a sane and strong The key to victory in building Novorossiya is precisely in this, along with armed resistance, which will no longer be part of the Zan detachments, and quite a STATE military force of Novorossiya, the alternative is Walk the field and general banditry. Yes, It is difficult, to fight and build at the same time, but the Bolsheviks were able to do it in even worse conditions! And now God himself commanded! No one will leave Novorossians to their fate, the main thing is not to demand spectacular gestures and actions from the GDP, but work quietly and everything will be smooth.
  5. lg41
    +12
    1 2014 June
    ... "the liberation process must come from within Ukraine." "With sticks against machine guns." Small arms against armored vehicles and aircraft. The situation of the Maidan is repeated. Really armed pravoseki against golden eagles, having orders only to stand and not use weapons.
    Now guns and aircraft are firing at civilians in New Russia and their homes. Knowing at the same time about their impunity. Kiev mercenaries SHOULD have in their head FEAR about the punishment or destruction of them
  6. +6
    1 2014 June
    The situation is really very difficult for Russia. The Americans will not allow playing the 3 scenario, and the zapadents will be of the last effort, and head over heels in shit, to strive in the opposite direction from Russia (believe them so taught from childhood, and do not entertain yourself with the illusions that they are the same Slavs) It seems like this help militias to tear the largest possible chunk from Ukraine with more or less loyal citizens. PS. Lord Ukrainians, do not be offended, because when it comes to the enemies of Russia you are with them for one thing, whether it be Georgia 2008 or plans for missile defense or in economic decisions. Until your leadership ceases to serve the interests of other countries, Ukraine has no chance. Who is opposed to take the paper with a pen, the association clause and count, and who does not know how to count, read the expert opinion.
  7. -7
    1 2014 June
    the author))) provokes the people))) BUT WITH THIS much that does not know!
    1. +10
      1 2014 June
      Well, since you know more than the author, share with us! We are also interested in knowing more!
  8. bratchanin2
    +8
    1 2014 June
    Dear Prokhanov offered effective military assistance by volunteer battalions, modeled on the Korean War. Formed and armed on the territory of Russia, volunteers move to Novorossia and fight to destroy the Nazis. After all, on the side of the West, "volunteers" are fighting from the very beginning.
    1. Associate Professor
      +3
      1 2014 June
      Volunteers from Russia are fighting there. Like once in Spain. And after many years it turned out that not all there were volunteers
  9. bda
    bda
    +5
    1 2014 June
    The introduction of troops in New Russia, unlike the Crimea, is not beneficial to Moscow


    When it comes to a national idea (and in the issue of Crimea, it was precisely this plane that was transferred to the main domestic political basis for intervention) - passages like "profitable" or "not profitable" sound, it seems, is no longer quite appropriate - mercantile as- then, a little too small - we slide down to the level, which is popularly called "consumption".
    And in terms of foreign policy, we are contradicting ourselves: they intervened in the situation in Crimea in order to prevent bloodshed, as was the case in Kosovo, where our Western opponents intervened when the blood had already poured. And in Donbass ... for some reason, a completely different approach: what we ourselves like to call "the application of double standards" - and did not intervene in advance, and how blood is already pouring and pouring we look, at the official level, only from the outside, provoking already're coming out for the scumbags the emergence of ideas that "they drifted off - the sanctions of our Western patrons, they seem to be afraid! Well, now we will arrange for them in the Crimea still - let's see how they swim away from us!"
    In Crimea, we unconditionally recognize the referendum, and in the Donbass we respect it, as well as the "elections" of P. Poroshenko as the president of Ukraine, if V. Yanukovych is alive.
    So after all, you can not only knock down enemies with a pantalyk, but also your own people, to whom the same enemies will immediately blow in their ears and start: "Your power raised you to the attack, and then - and handed over to us for 30 pieces of silver! to rise to the attack? "
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      The referendum in Crimea was held by the Crimean government that was in force at that time! Crimea is a republic! Donetsk and Lugansk - a completely different story unfortunately - strange people proclaimed the Republic, nobody chosen. The whole movement was only in one, roughly, building of the RSA or SBU. The rest of the territory in fact remained under the control of Kiev. Hence the extreme distrust of the results of the referendum, or rather, you can trust the result, but not YAVKE. Well, actually, despite the illegitimacy of the Kiev authorities, which is maximally legitimized through the Poroshenko elections, the legitimacy of the DPR and LPR authorities is generally close to zero. Therefore, the issue of recognition of New Russia is a matter of distant future.
  10. Polarfox
    +2
    1 2014 June
    And you are absolutely right, dear Andrei Yuryevich. Such an outcome will not bring good to either Russia or Ukraine. But this, in my opinion, is what Westerners and Americans are seeking.

    A thin world is better than a good quarrel. I think this is not because a woman, and generally a man of peace. I am one of those who at one time wrote reports about sending to Afghanistan. Enough of the mind! So, I completely agree with the opinion of the author of the article. Russia will support Novorossia with everything it can. But Ukrainians themselves must decide the future of Ukraine.
  11. +3
    1 2014 June
    "Reducing the flight time of nuclear missiles to MOSCOW to 12 minutes is a lasso on the neck of Russia" MOSCOW IS NOT RUSSIA! this is a lasso on the neck of Moscow! But for Russia these minutes do not play any role. In the event of a conflict, the boys from the Urals, the East, the non-black earth, sibiri will fight. Here is RUSSIA!
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      Are you ill? Take a pill.
  12. +2
    1 2014 June
    "... blatant terror and genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine with the use of weapons of mass destruction against civilians." , since the UK instituted criminal proceedings (oh, it’s clear that the jurisdiction is not the same), but there is reason to start implementing the decision of March 1 2014 Federation Council of the Russian Federation; in addition, from June 1, Russia presides over the UN Security Council (one month). hi
  13. +6
    1 2014 June
    If the kraina itself decays and finally collapses, then all the same, someone from the outside will have to involuntarily bring her to her senses. Lukashenka will do this? But NATO will bring in troops with great enthusiasm. Now Russia's actions in relation to the insurgent Novorossiya are too reminiscent of the formula - "the salvation of the drowning is the work of themselves ...". To supply the necessary weapons to the militias, Russia needs to recognize Novorossiya. In this situation, at least in Donbas, the militia's own forces will be enough to expel the Banderlog and their sympathizers from their land. IMHO.
    1. +3
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Humpty
      ... in Donbas, the militia’s own forces will be enough to drive out the banderlogs and those who sympathize with them from their land ...


      But for now, these forces are only on strike ...
      Look at this endless column of young, strong, healthy men - they do not want to fight. They only went on strike in the second month of the war - they rally. Each of them would have an automatic machine - they would reach Brbssel ...

      1. +5
        1 2014 June
        Boris55 RU ".. They would each have a machine gun - they would have reached Brbssel ..."
        --------------------------------------------------
        I will refrain from commenting, just give a link to I.I. Strelkov from the site NOVORUS.info

        http://novorus.info/news/policy/16714-igor-strelkov-mne-ne-nuzhna-podderzhka-mne
        -nuzhna-armiya.html

        It seems to me that here he gives a convincing answer to everyone who adheres to the same point of view as the author of this comment ...
      2. +5
        1 2014 June
        they came to kill them, they went on strike .... what is this, the inertia of thinking or the deficiency of our special services, our media ...?
      3. 0
        1 2014 June
        Quote: Boris55
        But for now, these forces are only on strike ...

        Two days on strike and again to the mine. In Kuzbass, up to 600 miners are ready to leave, according to trade unions ...
  14. bda
    bda
    +12
    1 2014 June
    Quote: bda
    When it comes to the national idea


    And now, returning to the national idea, imagine the following picture: Our Righteous Prince Dmitry Donskoy (as we now call him) gathers an army - preparing for the Battle of Kulikovo. And the boyars come to him, but they say: "Prince! Something is expensive to get it all for the money! A lot of money is needed for the army - it is cheaper to pay tribute to the Tatars with money, and slaves from among the smerds, and we do not go to what battles, which you can lose, or just die on them. "

    Prince Dmitry thought and thought about the boyar words (already without "St. Righteous", and without "Kulikovsky"), and he says: "But you, boyars, are right - fuck this battle of Kulikovo - our fathers paid tribute to the Golden Horde money, but little people - well, we will be! And so that the busurmans would forgive us the victorious last battle - on the Vozha River in 1378, so we will tie up its participants, and give them out for reprisal - maybe they will forgive! "
    1. -1
      1 2014 June
      Our history is rich! You can mention Kutuzov on occasion.
      Some time ago there was an article by Wasserman here on the site. He cited his evidence that if the Hitlerite-European horde were repulsed at the border and the war continued on European territory, then our "allies" (the USA and England) would be Hitler's allies.
      Actually according to Dmitry Donskoy: he opposed Mamaia, knowing about his enmity with Tokhtamysh, the case turned up to destroy part of the enemy. But Tokhtamysh himself soon appeared at Moscow, but he already had no strength against him (there were many left on the Kulikov field, but a conspiracy was formed inside)
  15. +4
    1 2014 June
    In my opinion, the author has not completed option No. 2. If this option ends with the coming to power in Ukraine after the introduction of troops (with the help of Russia) of the pro-Russian government, then the loyalty of this state is ensured for us.
    So you, the author, are cheating a little.
  16. +5
    1 2014 June
    To implement option 3, it was necessary to officially declare on Monday that Russia categorically does not recognize the past elections, in view of their complete illegitimacy, to declare a no-fly zone over Novorossia. In this case, other areas where the junta’s resistance movement might grow stronger would realize that punishing them for confrontation is extremely difficult with all the consequences. For this, it is not necessary to send troops, just to demonstrate political will and unshakable determination. In the meantime, there are all prerequisites for suppressing the resistance movement and the subsequent deployment of democracy supporters directly on our borders.
  17. +6
    1 2014 June
    "Russia does not need the partition of Ukraine. Russia needs a loyal, united, stable, economically developed neighbor with a non-aligned status, which is guaranteed not to place the American missile defense system on its territory! But then Moscow is faced with the question: how to tactically solve this problem?"
    Stuffing impossible to turn back

    "Option number 1 - to send troops ... The pro-American government will remain in the central and western parts. Is it profitable for Russia? Does this solve the problem of NATO and missile defense? Of course not."
    It already is the most pro-American government, and Russia was not invited to the conference on missile defense

    "Option number 2 - massive and lightning-fast deployment of troops to the entire territory of Ukraine ..."
    This is a myth, in a computer game this is now possible

    "There remains option number 3 - Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia, and Russia will help her"
    Those. the most spherical option for the leadership of the Russian Federation, but it is also impossible with the armament existing in the militia, and the heavier, I think, the Russian Federation will not. This position is incomprehensible to me, evil must be punished, because otherwise it will creep further, is Russia trying to achieve this, repeating the case like with Dagestan? Only for this the defenders of DR and LR will have to die
  18. bda
    bda
    +5
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Polarfox
    in my opinion, this is precisely what the Westerners and the Americans are seeking.


    The Westernizers and the Americans have a much more convenient "springboard" for this - Transnistria, which is becoming a trap for us. As you probably remember, our peacekeepers are stationed there (in addition to the actual civilian Russian living there, in its mass population). Now Moldova, crawling deeper and deeper under Romania (and NATO), together with the rusophobic regime in Kiev, is already "de facto" starting to tighten the screws on organizing a real blockade and PMR, and, accordingly, our troops there. What should we do? There are two ways out: to surrender Pridnestrovie to the Romanian-Moldovans (this is after both the shed blood and our successful peacekeeping operation) and leave there spat upon the whole world, or ... you still have to fight, only with a better organized and better prepared enemy (here the initiative is on their side - and they will choose the best moment for themselves for a complete blockade).
    As my hand-to-hand trainer once said: “If you see that a fight cannot be avoided, don’t pull the cat by the tail, don’t arrange talk-dissuasions, but choose the most convenient moment for you and kick it in full right away - so that your enemy will fall and But when he has already fallen and will lie without twitching - then you can tell him whatever you want. "
  19. +3
    1 2014 June
    To support Novorossiya with everything you can and cannot! And at the decisive moment "on the wave of popular anger" to take Kiev and hold new elections! And replace "Trident" with "Serpent-Gorynych" with the heads of all presidents.
  20. bda
    bda
    +3
    1 2014 June
    Quote: name
    UK instituted criminal proceedings


    The Israelites make it easier - people they consider to be terrorists, even those in neighboring territories, can easily be hit by an air-to-ground missile, or some kind of bomb. Ali a sniper (kind person) will catch them in the sight and pull the trigger. They have already worked out a lot of options - nevertheless, they were invented before us. Only to send them summons on behalf of the UK, apparently neither the Mossad nor the AMAN have guessed yet.
  21. +2
    1 2014 June
    During the Vietnam War (the USSR, albeit by informal results, was among the winners), the guerrillas of South Vietnam undertook the completely illogical, incomparable even in the number of fighters and the complete absence of equipment, the famous "Tet offensive", eventually defeating the main symbol of the oppressors of the Vietnamese people - here even ordinary American people realized that this also applies to them and no diplomatic passport will help in which case it is better to end the war as soon as possible (with any results) ... In America, the memory is short, or something, or Senator McCain nevertheless decided not to give ends without dropping bombs before that on Hanoi (according to old memory), or on Moscow ...
    1. 0
      3 2014 June
      We must repeat the story !!! The partisans were in NORTH Vietnam !!!
  22. +3
    1 2014 June
    from the Don.
    I hope that GDP has a bright mind, which we have seen more than once! And he knows and sees more than we are behind the clave.
  23. +3
    1 2014 June
    While the fourth option is being viewed, nothing at all! Volunteers do not count.
  24. bda
    bda
    +7
    1 2014 June
    Quote: saag
    Russia needs a loyal, single, stable, economically developed neighbor with a non-aligned status that is guaranteed not to place the American missile defense system on its territory


    As long as this neighbor is "independent" from us, the "Ukraine is Anti-Russia" regime will be restored again and again at every handy situation there. This will be done at every opportunity by our sworn "friends" in the West - whose interests to have anti-Russia against us there will not change in the foreseeable future. This task will be facilitated anyway by the virus of genetic Russophobia (in the western regions with a gradual spread to the east that is now being observed).
    1. 0
      3 2014 June
      Quote: saag
      Russia needs a loyal, single, stable, economically developed neighbor with a non-aligned status that is guaranteed not to place the American missile defense system on its territory.

      While Western Ukraine will be part of Ukraine, it will never be loyal !!!!!
  25. +7
    1 2014 June
    Russia will not accept Novorossia into its membership and will not recognize its independent status. But that is precisely why it will behind the scenes help its national liberation struggle.

    God, yes, everything is clear ... But then you hear that Slavyansk is being hammered out of howitzers, and the thought arises: at night, for this damned Karachun, he would have worked with a squadron of Mi-28 missiles with TBGCH. Does this fit into the concept of "covert assistance in the national liberation struggle"?
    In the end, in the 70-80s, the Palestinians were supplied with these miserable equipment and weapons (there was no sense, however, except for Khattab in Chechnya). And then they generally have what’s called - neither a flag, nor a homeland, and they are not friends and relatives to us ...
  26. HF
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: klas000000
    The fact of the matter is that no one sees help, but helicopters shoot down!

    I absolutely agree with you, it is nobody who sees help, and even with this, Russia is accused of escalating the conflict in the southeast of the country 404. And if you start to help openly, they generally sprinkle with saliva ... request
  27. +4
    1 2014 June
    I remember when the late Gaddafi used helicopters and military aircraft against the rebellious cities of Libya, he was condemned by the whole world, including Medvedev Russia. Americans and Europeans then introduced a "no fly zone" (no-fly zone) over Libya. Moreover, they introduced it rigidly and effectively, suppressing government aviation and armored vehicles. Obviously, now it’s time to enter a similar no-fly zone over the Donbass!
    Exactly 95 years ago, on May 27, 1919, Voroshilov and Mezhlauk sent a telegram to Moscow, in which they reported on the situation in Donbass:
    “The current situation of the Donbass Front requires the immediate introduction of a reliable cavalry unit ... The enemy operates armored trains-tanks ... An immediate sending of the regiment of destination and armored trains named after Voroshilov is necessary. We ask you to take all measures to speedy sending, as the position of the front is desperate. Slavic evacuated. "

    95 years have passed. Slavyansk again evacuated, waiting for help from Moscow!
  28. Counter
    +6
    1 2014 June
    It must be admitted that until the fall of 2013, when the thunder struck in Kiev, in Russia, that is, in the Russian media, the issues on Ukraine were given an extra minimum of attention. Well, there was a certain, formally independent, state of Ukraine somewhere on the southern borders with us, where it was "the last time", and which is constantly running about gas supplies, and EVERYTHING! Over the past few years, one can recall only a couple of reports about Ukraine, when the fights in the Verkhovna Rada between "someone and someone" were shown on TV, even without really commenting who is with whom. That is, the question of the impending crisis in Ukraine was ignored and hushed up in every possible way. As well as the steadily approaching flowering of full-fledged neo-Banderaism was not noticed there. That is, for the Russians, that frenzied and widespread Russophobia, which has blossomed in Ukraine during the times of independence, has now turned out to be like snow on its head. And why? Because while Ukrainians were stewing in their own information juice and growing stronger in the conviction that Russia “could not live without Ukraine,” Russia was developing well and getting stronger itself, not relying heavily on its ties with Ukraine. DO NOT NEED Ukraine in the Eurasian Union! And it was never actually needed! Ukraine would join the Union, good! It would definitely go for everyone! They did not want to join, so only Ukraine itself lost much more from this, and not the TS! But the Ukrainians had their own logic, actively fueled from across the ocean. As a result, dill broke away from the real life of our whole COMMON region as much as possible! Now they like to repeat that over the past 23 years, two new generations have grown up in Ukraine that hate Russia. But these generations did not grow up, they HAVE grown! And who? Obviously those who are older generations. And this makes the problem much more difficult to solve. To say that Russia would like to see Ukraine as a strong friendly state is now at least silly. Russophobia there is nurtured and emasculated by much larger strata of the population than a couple of recent generations of young animals. And the concentration of this Russophobia is known to be concentrated overwhelmingly in the western region and in the central, near-Kiev part. Will these areas become friendly to us in the foreseeable future? Very unlikely! They can ask for money and indulgences and will be as usual, but they will betray and disrupt any agreements at the first opportunity. It is from this that we must proceed: are these regions of Ukraine "necessary" for Russia at all in any sense? A little reflection, we can assume that in such a truncated form, i.e. in the form of zapadenschina together with the central part, Ukraine and the West will be completely unnecessary. The West was interested in Ukraine least with access to the sea, NATO boats need to go somewhere ?! It is only necessary for Ukraine to lose the eastern, and even more so the southern regions, and the West will immediately forget about the existence of Ukraine! Hence the suppression of resistance in Odessa, so terrifying in its cruelty, and attempts to do the same in the DPR. Partition of Ukraine is inevitable, either through a civil war or without it. And Russia, by definition, cannot worry too much about its integrity, and so the recognition of the independence of the DPR is not far off.
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      In general, you are right, it will at least be easier to talk with divided Ukraine, and it is not so necessary in the EURAS, as strategically there is nothing necessary there. But!!! Firstly, more than 40 million Russians from two branches of our people, central and western, live in Ukraine, because as Ukrainians do not dodge textbooks, the fact remains. Ukrainians are Russians, lands that were under the rule of Poles, as well as Belarusians - these are Russians who lived under the rule of Lithuania. And all their difference is that Polish culture left a mark on them. And throwing at the mercy of the enemy 40 million people of his people is stupid. Secondly, the propaganda that brainwashed them can be defeated by our propaganda during the info war. Those who make fun of ukrams that they have been brainwashed, simply do not understand that they are the same and any people can be brainwashed. An example is the collapse of the USSR, which many welcomed, as well as the collapse of the KGB and the army. Washed brains can be put in place, the main thing is to put effort. Ukrsmi lies so clumsy that many do not believe them, but do not believe us either. But if we do not fight, then we will get millions of maydowns on our borders. Thirdly, the West needs a controlled state near our borders, on which NATO military facilities and millions of cannon fodder can be placed, which will be ready to fight instead of amers. Ports, of course, a bonus, but without them, NATO will be able to transfer troops and cargo. Fourth, the recognition of the DPR will not really bring anything but problems. For real help, you need control over the territory, because it’s stupid to recognize a republic that controls 40 percent of its territory. But we will continue to provide tacit assistance. I think no one thinks that turntables are felled from a Berdanca or that they’ve got Mpz, RPG and Ptrk in weapons like SBU or cops. There is a long operation in which you can not do stupid things. It's like boxing, you can close for a long time, take punches and then solve the case with one bunch. In general, the meaning of my verbal diarrhea is that even if the whole Ukraine is not necessary for us in EURAS, then we will fight for 40 million Russians and we are already fighting.
      1. +2
        2 2014 June
        To speed up the process of expanding the influence of the DPR and LPR, it is necessary to open the border with the LPR and DPR, after recognition this can be done. Then help will go quickly and weapons and people and the territory will be fully controlled!
  29. +1
    1 2014 June
    "But, of course, the puppeteers of the junta understand this, and therefore they can, finally getting furious, start an already open terror and genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine with the use of weapons of mass destruction against civilians." - I strongly doubt that they decide to use weapons of mass destruction ...
  30. +5
    1 2014 June
    the no-fly zone has long been needed, but at the same time it is necessary, you see, to turn to the degrading UN organization; there is no need to bring in troops, a quick "punitive" operation of the united special forces (Belarusian, Russian and Kazakh) is needed to destroy the American agents who have settled in Kiev
  31. 0
    1 2014 June
    A quote from the article: "This means that the American missile defense system is moving to the borders of Russia. And here you have to understand that reducing the flight time of nuclear missiles to Moscow to 12 minutes."

    Explain to the stupid how the missile defense is connected and the time reduction of the arrival of nuclear missiles to Moscow? Or what? Missile defense from a defensive system has become a strike (offensive) system capable of carrying a nuclear charge in warheads?
    1. +2
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Averias
      A quote from the article: "This means that the American missile defense system is moving to the borders of Russia. And here you have to understand that reducing the flight time of nuclear missiles to Moscow to 12 minutes."

      Explain to the stupid how the missile defense is connected and the time reduction of the arrival of nuclear missiles to Moscow? Or what? Missile defense from a defensive system has become a strike (offensive) system capable of carrying a nuclear charge in warheads?

      They say that in principle there is nothing impossible in this. Tactical nuclear charges. I don’t understand another. Well, they destroyed Moscow in 12 minutes. Is this a guarantee that the answer will not arrive in half an hour? From a submarine in the Atlantic, or from where else. Russia is big.
  32. +1
    1 2014 June
    In Ukraine, there are no people capable of raising the struggle to overthrow the junta. Only in the Donetsk and Luhansk republics there were a few daredevils. And even if the junta would have dispersed the volunteers from Russia long ago. And the bulk of people silently demolish everything. Both spitting and humiliation. I watched the video of the rally, there a man at the rally shouted "give us work, and for whom it does not matter the main thing is that the salary is paid. " This is how they want to fight there for freedom. Let others die for them, these will win well, they will win, too, nothing. As we booze, so we will continue. Well, people will shoot, maybe they will bypass me. That's how people in Ukraine think now. in Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odessa regions, people in general turned out to be flimsy, especially from Odessa.
  33. +3
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Averias
    Missile defense system, it became a shock

    Well, actually it can perform such a function, so called to circumvent restrictions
  34. +2
    1 2014 June
    Senator McCain nevertheless decided not to give up, without dropping bombs on it before Hanoi (from old memory), or Moscow ...

    The idiot is old, let him remember better how he squealed "DO NOT BEAT ME, MY DAD IS ADMIRAL !!!" when the Vietnamese pulled him out of the lake in the middle of Hanoi by the worn-out trousers. And it was necessary to give one oar in the head, and say that it was so ...
  35. +4
    1 2014 June
    Recognizing NEW RUSSIA does not at all mean sending troops. Nobody talks about being a part of Russia. This will be a state friendly to the Russian Federation. But all those who hesitate will immediately boldly start holding referendums at their place on admission to the New Russia. After all, Russia recognized it, it will ALREADY give people confidence that the Russian Federation will then support it. IMHO.
  36. +2
    1 2014 June
    How much more do you have to eat on the people of Ukraine in order to understand where the clowns from Kiev drove them and give them a snot? !!!!
  37. Demon0n
    0
    1 2014 June
    I believe that now the 4th option is developing, which, more or less (i.e. no one gets obvious significant advantages or disadvantages, everyone stays with their own way) suits all major players (Ukraine is not taken into account and this option is not in its interests) since the prospect of solving the problem differently has become illusory. I would not like to talk about it, but the "draw" option is currently the most realistic (perhaps there will be variations on the theme ...).
  38. +5
    1 2014 June
    but in my opinion Russia needs precisely a section of what is now called Ukraine. with the return to the Russian field of the greatest number of regions and the ousting of zapadentsev in Galicia, hey, they’ll powder their brains there more.
  39. +2
    1 2014 June
    It is necessary to ensure that Ukrainians themselves deal with the fascist junta, and we will convincingly help them in this.
  40. +1
    1 2014 June
    Now it is necessary to provide maximum assistance to the resistance of the southeast. There are both forces and means. Well, by about November, a harsh sobering up of the population of the "independent" will begin. Recognition and annexation is an extreme option to save the population, but in this situation it is necessary to prepare for a big war -the appearance of NATO bases is only a matter of time.
    1. +2
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      Well, by about November, a harsh sobering up of the population of the "independent"

      Well, there will be no sobering, do not build illusions, people will blame Russia and all for all troubles
  41. 0
    1 2014 June
    Most Ukrainians still believe in a bright European future, to which they will come under the leadership of a new leader. They just recently have been unlucky with the presidents and neighbors too. What can you do, the deceived person wanted to be deceived. Price on gas and the termination of cooperation with the Russian military-industrial complex, events that quickly kill the remnants of Ukrainian industry. The worse, the better. Apparently, the new Ukrainian authorities are going to solve economic problems in this way. After 2-3 months, people will begin to gradually realize that everything is not going well as expected. Therefore, do not make sudden movements and disrupt the natural course of events. The Kiev junta still has nowhere to go, they are not able to solve economic problems.
    As they say, they wanted the best ...
    1. nicollider
      0
      1 2014 June
      Yes, unfortunately, I have to agree with uzer13, there will be no changes without economic upheaval. In the DPR / LPR, the catalyst was Akhmetov. The fact that the revolution got out of his control is a completely logical historical process. but in other areas such people were not found. therefore, critical mass will be accumulated for a long time. thinks in the fall
  42. b.sh.d.13
    +4
    1 2014 June
    Yes, all this nonsense. No one in Ukraine will revolt anymore. Everywhere severely broke off attempts to go against the government and no one will speak, everyone wants to live. Only Donetsk and Lugansk regions are still resisting. And so that especially in the rest of Ukraine they did not arise, they will slowly pour in the euro and the dollar to support the pants and tight control of the right sector. My relatives in Ukraine live in several areas, including western ones. So they say that they don’t need anything, as we survive. And the increase in gas prices and so on does not prevent them from living normally (not to exist, namely to live). Everything continues to function normally there, everything is there, everything works. Why would they be unhappy. And in Kiev, on the Maidan, there are those who, before this coup, did not work anywhere and had nothing. Yes, they say it’s insulting that the connection with Russia is lost, but life goes on and is not worse than it was.
    1. +2
      1 2014 June
      A very erroneous opinion. Just in the western regions there will be the most "fun", but not now. The main income there is from earnings over the hill, including in Russia. But roads, schools, hospitals are the state budget. And what it will be and At whose expense was it filled? Loans will be sawn-do not go to the grandmother. Do not forget about the ATO-war expensive pleasure. Someone believes that Poroshenko got into the presidency for the good of Ukraine? In vain. Now raider seizures are in full swing, property redistribution is taking place- sponsors of the Maidan "beat off the loot." And when they beat back, "at least the grass does not grow after us." And who will pay on loans with interest? That's right, those who remain in the "unitary", their children and grandchildren. Do not forget about the fascists- the elections have flown by, the new government is only needed to fight dissidents, and they have ambitions - wow, how long will they agree to be cannon fodder? The whole structure today rests solely on fear of Russia and the whole gang is ready to gnaw each other's throats for a piece power. Europe will not be able to accept all farm laborers from " Nezalezhnaya "and will not contain Ukraine, listen to what the British say. And there will be no rest for Ukraine, because the United States did not organize the Maidan for this.
    2. 0
      2 2014 June
      Looks like in Ukraine about the debts of the great do not know. They do not expect default. Grace will collapse immediately and abruptly. But complacency is surprising.
  43. bda
    bda
    +2
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    In the next 5 years, due to the new generation, media and settlement from Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city with a million-plus population, which will disown its Russianness, could become Kharkov and Zaporozhye. Moreover, Zaporozhye degenerates the fastest


    So it will be - in Zaporizhia I can confirm for sure - my relatives there.
  44. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Armagedon
    After the GAS shutdown (99%), the situation will aggravate by the fall ... The economy of Independence will completely collapse! Nobody in the West is going to sponsor Ukraine !!! As a result, the decline in living standards ... Other areas will stretch to the southeast ... The result is sad but logical ... DECAY !!! CHAOS will gain momentum ... And when MILLIONS of refugees reach ... The West will RISE !!! And end in collapse ...


    Yes, they are already accustomed to the collapse - they will simply lower the prices for sex services a little more and will continue to freak out and curse us. And at every opportunity - some dirty trick to us on the orders from the West, and maybe in a "proactive manner."
  45. 0
    1 2014 June
    Gradually, the tonality of television programs has already begun to change in Germany; Putin is no longer such a bad guy, and Russia is no longer an aggressor, and Yatsenyuk is demonstrating his national stubbornness in gas with might and main. In short, by winter, the Krindets will come to this junta.
  46. Counter
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: bda
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    In the next 5 years, due to the new generation, media and settlement from Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city with a million-plus population, which will disown its Russianness, could become Kharkov and Zaporozhye. Moreover, Zaporozhye degenerates the fastest

    So it will be - in Zaporizhia I can confirm for sure - my relatives there.

    Yes, today it is PROFITABLE to disown Russianness in these areas. It is much safer to say everywhere that you are "for a new, free Ukraine" and not "for friendship with Russia." But this is based more on FEAR now than on persuasion.
  47. zol1
    +4
    1 2014 June
    I do not understand! The masks from the "great crap-makers" have been thrown off, they have never been and never will be friends, their goal is clear as daylight - to crush Russia, and we hope for something that they will come to their senses there and become white and fluffy! Russia in such a situation should be RUSSIA, independent in all directions, making decisions to protect its sovereignty and to protect peoples close to us in blood and spirit, otherwise it will not be Russia, but an appendage of the West with all that it implies.
  48. +4
    1 2014 June
    I would like to agree with the author, but I cannot. Except for Novorossia, no one will go anywhere, and this islet of the Russian world will be starved out, destroying everything there ... I swear that Novorossia is holding on also because it hopes for fraternal help from Russia. So Borodai, speaking at a rally in Donetsk, said: "Wait a little, brothers, Russia is about to intervene and help." And the people greeted these words, and I personally heard this speech! Only Novorossia has a chance to become part of the Russian world, the rest of Ukraine is lost for us, and this is a fact ... You can, of course, wait until autumn, but I'm afraid that the Kiev fascists will wipe Novorossia off the face of the earth, and Russia can lose the trust of the entire Slavic world, so which is more decisive, Vladimir Vladimirovich, more decisive !!!
    1. 0
      1 2014 June
      Apart from us, the GDP also has Chubais and Novodvorskaya, and all of them are Russian by law. So, it is possible to influence the GDP only in an organized manner. Signature collection, demonstrations. I will be pleased to take part in both of them, but nothing is heard about this.
      And in that fragmented state in which we are, the DPR and LPR can be helped at best by volunteering there (if you are a professional in military affairs), or in the general case you can help financially. rv.org.ru/dnr - everything is written there.
  49. nicollider
    0
    1 2014 June
    If you recognize the DNI and LC, they will have to pay for gas. And so debts are hung on Kiev. this aspect is not covered in the article
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      In general, I'm surprised how Donetsk and Lugansk still behave politely in this matter. One could also hint to Russia that “it would not hurt to pay more attention to the problems of Novorossia if you don’t want new ones for yourself” ..
    2. 0
      2 2014 June
      They regularly paid taxes and there are no debts for them. Kiev to give money for gas, not Novorossia.
  50. +3
    1 2014 June
    Quote: kmike
    Gradually, the tonality of television programs has already begun to change in Germany; Putin is no longer such a bad guy, and Russia is no longer an aggressor, and Yatsenyuk is demonstrating his national stubbornness in gas with might and main. In short, by winter, the Krindets will come to this junta.

    Thanks to the full support of Dill by the West, the "Krindets" may not come, but OUR New Russia, we can very realistically lose, if we are not more decisive ...
  51. Vlad Gore
    +6
    1 2014 June
    Russia does not need a section of Ukraine. Russia needs a loyal, united, stable, economically developed neighbor with a non-aligned status who is guaranteed not to deploy the American missile defense system on its territory! But then the question arises before Moscow: how to solve this problem tactically?
    Stupid liberal rhetoric. Russia benefits from the division of “Ukraine”. An artificial formation created from Russian territories that was considered friendly. In fact, it turned out to be anti-Russian and Russophobic. And if so, then Russia has the right to return its territories and its fellow tribesmen. good
  52. +3
    1 2014 June
    Quote: nicollider
    If we recognize the DPR and LPR, they will have to pay for gas. And so I hang up debts
    heading to Kyiv. this aspect is not covered in the article

    Well, honestly, you’re writing some kind of nonsense...
  53. -1
    1 2014 June
    The article is correct. One thing. Ukraine will never be that non-aligned buffer ally for us. Even under the USSR, she constantly looked jealously at Russia. Therefore, now the second option is preferable. With the capture of everyone, mow down. A couple of years of brainwashing, and Ukrainians will think differently
  54. Vlad Gore
    +7
    1 2014 June
    Quote: another RUSICH
    The article is correct. One thing. Ukraine will never be that non-aligned buffer ally for us. Even under the USSR, she constantly looked jealously at Russia. Therefore, now the second option is preferable. With the capture of everyone, mow down. A couple of years of brainwashing, and Ukrainians will think differently

    What's right there? An ordinary liberal article. On the topic “whatever happens.” Russia has a historic chance to return the territories that rightfully belong to it. And if we listen to the liberals, we will become even smaller. hi
  55. +2
    1 2014 June
    With the admission of Ukraine into the EU zone, all the “delights” of the tense social sphere will be easily attributed to Russian “aggression.” This will further unite ordinary people around the pro-American government.
  56. Russian German65
    +5
    1 2014 June
    We are wasting time.....fascism is growing stronger and gaining strength.....if we don’t stop it now, later the price of victory will cost much more...the West nurtured fascism in Ukraine...and then will push it towards Russia...remember Hitler...yes, you will have to kill your brothers...but in Rus' there were often civil strife...Rus' needs a single ruler.....then not one Western mongrel will bark
  57. Vladimir I
    +2
    1 2014 June
    Kirill Voronkov is another keyboard player.
    What is his reasoning based on?
  58. +2
    1 2014 June
    therefore, it will secretly help its national liberation struggle - the liberation process must come from within Ukraine.
    Is it not public? Well then, glasnost fails. We will wait quietly until the militias are killed with guns and helicopters.
  59. bda
    bda
    0
    1 2014 June
    Quote: andj61
    accusations against Russia and sanctions will increase, even if Russia does not interfere


    Charges, sanctions, etc. sooner or later they will become boring, forgotten, canceled due to a change in the situation, and Donbass, if things turn out well, will remain for us, our children, grandchildren, etc.
  60. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    using weapons of mass destruction against civilians


    Application and application are also different. There is reason to believe that in Odessa Khatyn the militants used some kind of gas (even the Ukrainian cops seemed to confirm the presence of chloroform residues). This means that there was an agent (a poisonous substance). Warfare is a weapon of mass destruction. So what next?

    Another example is the use of military chemical agents in Syria (which the famous palm banana lover once designated as the “Red Line”). Yes, explosive agents were used, and, moreover, repeatedly and with great casualties among the civilian population. Now figure it out: who used it? Where did it come from? Etc.

    In a word: whoever wants to, looks for an opportunity to do it, and whoever doesn’t want to, looks for a reason not to do it.
  61. dFG
    +1
    1 2014 June
    What kind of controversy is this about Odessa? )) the million-plus city chose who to be with, let him live and endure their affairs in silence, but about the east...then it is necessary to help so that people have confidence that there is a needle for every helicopter and then it will not be possible to suppress resistance, and this is what the Russian Federation needs
  62. +1
    1 2014 June
    Millions live in Ukraine, but thousands are actually opposing the junta. Either the Ukrainians come to their senses and begin to seriously put things in order, or these people are worthless and they get what they deserve. This is all sad and sad, but the facts are a stubborn thing - the vast majority of the population of Ukraine are patriots of their statehood only on the couch and on paper.
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      Will they minus the sofa-paper patriots?
  63. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Ukraine itself should overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia


    Yeah, now: MUST! Everyone will drop everything and run to overthrow! They don't sleep at night - they think how they can fulfill this DUTY!
    Some of our closest neighbors (the Chinese) will tell us: you, Russians, MUST weed out all the weeds in your abandoned fields, sow them with rice (winter rice if necessary!) and do exercises in the middle of these fields every morning! And only then will we allow you to become part of our Great Chinese Culture, and not the rotten half-European-half-Mongolian one! And at night you will read by heart the sayings of the Great Confucius, and not watch House-2!
    Please note: we are not talking about going into battle to the death for the “right to read Confucius at night” - this is not the case! There are many among us who want to switch to such a much healthier and correct way of life, accompanied by the word “MUST”!
  64. +1
    1 2014 June
    There is another option in Kyiv. Allocate several billion dollars and organize a coup in Kyiv with the secret participation of our special forces. And only then to strictly restore order throughout the country. For a few bucks, many of our opponents will come over to our side. And there are plenty of our supporters in UKRAINE. good soldier
  65. bda
    bda
    +3
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Agent 008
    Novorossiya is holding on, among other things, because it hopes for fraternal help from Russia. So Borodai, speaking at a rally in Donetsk, said: “Wait a little brothers, Russia is about to intervene and help.” And the people welcomed these words, and I personally heard this speech! Only Novorossiya has a chance to become part of the Russian world, the rest of Ukraine is lost to us, and this is a fact... Of course, we can wait until the fall, but I’m afraid that Novorossiya will be wiped off the face of the earth by the Kyiv fascists, and Russia may lose the trust of the entire Slavic world, so what is more decisive, Vladimir Vladimirovich, more decisive!!!


    To all intents and purposes, I think that’s true!
    Plus, the picture is “from the opposite” - notice how the right-wing separatists, mercenaries and others like them immediately began to act more harshly and cruelly, when we finally convinced them that “the troops had left the border with Ukraine” - and the artillery began to work, and the aviation etc.
  66. +1
    1 2014 June
    the main slogan of liberation should be _NATIONALIZATION OF WHAT THE OLIGARCHS STEAL_! LET'S COMPLETE WHAT THE MAIDAN FAILED TO DO, STOP ROBBING THE SLAVS, These slogans will give good support among the population
    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      Well, and the fight against fascism...without this there is no way
    2. komrad.klim
      +1
      1 2014 June
      and do you know what the answer will be?
      in fact, it already sounds constantly.
      You and your oligarchs in Russia sort it out first, and then stick your nose into other people's affairs!!!!!
  67. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Counter
    the issue of the brewing crisis in Ukraine was ignored and hushed up in every possible way. Just as the steadily approaching flowering of full-fledged neo-Banderaism was not noticed there.


    Yes, this happened largely because our mass media resources were under the control of the same liberal globalizers as the Ukrainian ones. Only they taught the Ukrainians how they should hate us (neighbors), and they taught us how to hate ourselves (and they succeeded in a lot).
    And even now, when the “roasted rooster” has simply pecked and is already eating, the positions of the anti-Russian fifth column on our land have not yet been destroyed, but for now have only been “disturbed.”
  68. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Counter
    Quote: bda
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    In the next 5 years, due to the new generation, media and settlement from Central Ukraine, the next Russian-speaking city with a million-plus population, which will disown its Russianness, could become Kharkov and Zaporozhye. Moreover, Zaporozhye degenerates the fastest

    So it will be - in Zaporizhia I can confirm for sure - my relatives there.

    Yes, today it is PROFITABLE to disown Russianness in these areas. It is much safer to say everywhere that you are "for a new, free Ukraine" and not "for friendship with Russia." But this is based more on FEAR now than on persuasion.


    Yes, people of the older generation are sick with fear - people we already knew from Melitopol came to visit us - they say that it’s scary to go out into the street - gangs of teenagers with baseball bats roam around the city and beat those who “babble bad language” or “don’t remember the National Anthem by heart" - they go wild with one word. But... these geeks... they are already local. They are the children of those who, at their age, had no more understanding of Ukrainian language than of any foreign language in a comprehensive rural school. It’s just that they were already born in a country where all this “impatience with Russianness” was already ingrained from kindergarten, and from the screens of the zombie box, while Russian-speaking ancestors drank bitter drinks, or tried to make a living in this collapsing economy. And oh how difficult it will be to re-educate these (young) people! - It’s probably impossible to do without baseball bats, or even without “executions without trial for a blue shirt worn with yellow trousers.”
  69. +2
    1 2014 June
    The title of the article does not correspond to the content. But in essence, the article is that we, Russia, need two new republics as a springboard for the collapse of the rest of the Ukraine. Unspoken and intensive assistance for Novorossiya is something that Russia MUST provide. If we want to continue to live united, as a whole state, then we need to actively oppose the USA and the EU in Ukraine
  70. bda
    bda
    +2
    1 2014 June
    Quote: bddrus
    The referendum in Crimea was held by the Crimean government that was in force at that time! Crimea is a republic! Donetsk and Lugansk - a completely different story unfortunately - strange people proclaimed the Republic, nobody chosen. The whole movement was only in one, roughly, building of the RSA or SBU. The rest of the territory in fact remained under the control of Kiev. Hence the extreme distrust of the results of the referendum, or rather, you can trust the result, but not YAVKE. Well, actually, despite the illegitimacy of the Kiev authorities, which is maximally legitimized through the Poroshenko elections, the legitimacy of the DPR and LPR authorities is generally close to zero. Therefore, the issue of recognition of New Russia is a matter of distant future.


    Verbosity, sorry for the frankness:
    I dare to remind you that in such a separate entity as Sevastopol, at the time of the referendum there was also a “people’s mayor” (that is, a crowd of 500-600 people called him out and that’s where his “legitimacy” ended)! But no one said: “Yes, we recognize the referendum in Crimea, but not in Sevastopol!”
    And, naturally, all “trust” or “distrust” is a political decision (and not only in the issue of Crimea and Donbass, but in all other cases and in all other elections, referendums, etc. - all over the world and regardless from the real state of affairs - when necessary, the same West recognizes the elections in Afghanistan as absolutely democratic and legitimate, while the Kabul government really only controls Kabul, and even then - while it is light outside).
  71. 0
    1 2014 June
    Quote: Boris55
    But for now, these forces are only on strike ...

    We went on strike for two days and went back to the mine. In Kuzbass, up to 600 miners are ready to leave, according to trade unions. And the locals, out of habit, blame Russia, which is why they don’t intervene...
  72. +3
    1 2014 June
    Guys, let's finish the game. I’m talking about flight time, and about the Russian world, which “doesn’t abandon its own,” and about the rotten junta (on whose side, even if it doesn’t have a single soldier left, well-trained PMCs will fight - this is not a Ukrainian war, This is a war between the West and Russia). How will we look into each other's eyes?
    Isn't this the goal of the states?
  73. bda
    bda
    +1
    1 2014 June
    Quote: north
    Either the Ukrainians come to their senses and begin to seriously put things in order, or these people are worthless and they get what they deserve


    And what is the price for us as a people, when in some “national outskirts” of the former USSR, in the 90s, Russians were killed for fun, raped “out of habit,” sold into slavery as a matter of course, and... multi-million-strong detachments that came from The whole country was nowhere to be seen to protect the unfortunate!
    There was only one positive example - Transnistria, but... Transnistria was not in itself - General Lebed was found there (but in dozens of other places he was not found - entire regiments and divisions there simply fled without resistance, leaving weapons to outright bandits) .
    By the way, the first military unit of the former USSR, which betrayed the oath almost in its entirety, was a communications regiment, based not somewhere in Nagorno-Karabakh or Gorno-Badakhshan, but located in the same Ukraine. And he went over to the side of the not yet formed “Independence” without firing a single shot. And the overwhelming majority of the officers and soldiers who served in it were Russians, and there were a noticeable number of Ukrainians (including representatives of other nationalities of the former USSR) only among the warrant officers.
    This is true, by the way, on the topic of “people’s values.”
    1. 0
      2 2014 June
      And I don't argue. My point is that nothing comes for nothing.
  74. +7
    1 2014 June
    Novorossiya must be liberated from Ukrainian occupation and accepted into the CSTO and the Eurasian Union. Almost all of the industrial, scientific and cultural potential is here.
  75. 0
    1 2014 June
    Quote: klas000000
    The fact of the matter is that no one sees help, but helicopters shoot down!

    This means that military experts and “instruments” have a place.
    Quote: tomket
    Some help is still there, it seems like the "bumblebees" lit up there. Another thing is that all this may be the result of voluntary barter of Ukrainian soldiers with the local population, and Russia may be completely out of business.

    What is Russia like? We don't know any Russia feel (they don’t have so much “barter”) lol
  76. 0
    1 2014 June
    comparing the situation with a conflict in a restaurant is spot on...
  77. +1
    1 2014 June
    Why? But because there is no need to keep money in bank accounts. From such “holding” comes “incontinence”. Incontinence of thoughts and words. political statements. Actually, I have a better opinion of Pu. But...
  78. tokin1959
    +3
    1 2014 June
    People believed the words - “Russians don’t abandon their own”, “just try going to the South-East”,
    and rebelled, rebelled with small arms against armored vehicles, heavy artillery and aviation.
    and have been holding on for over a month now.
    if there is no help with weapons, money, they will be crushed, cruelly crushed.
    but those who survive will return to Russia and ask those who said “just try to go to the South-East,” and then he himself remained silent and freely pumped gas for the junta.
  79. 0
    1 2014 June
    Remains option number 3

    Hmm, for this option, although expressed in different words, the post received a negative rating. Not a single plus.
    laughing
  80. +2
    1 2014 June
    Option number 1 is to send in troops. But where to enter? On the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics? So, what is next? And then NATO peacekeeping troops will appear on the rest of Ukraine and it will be divided, as happened with Germany at one time. The pro-American government will remain in the central and western parts. Is this beneficial for Russia? Does this solve the problem of NATO and missile defense? Of course not.

    Isn’t sending troops to the southeast the solution to the problem of a pro-American government, the problem of NATO and missile defense?
    Option No. 2 - a massive and lightning-fast deployment of troops to the entire territory of Ukraine, the actual occupation of the country.

    This option can not be considered due to the lack of mass and lightning speed.
    Option No. 3 remains - Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia, and Russia will help it, as it did before.

    This is equivalent to nothing left.
    Against the backdrop of Russia’s non-recognition of the DPR and LPR, in fact a leak, similar articles appear. It’s one thing to quietly help with weapons, which is useful for destabilizing the region, and another thing is to openly declare recognition and support that there is a direct path to victory and reunification.
    Why Russia is not in a hurry to recognize Novorossia

    Because, in reality, the forces governing Russia do not need Novorossiya now, just as they did not need it 10 and 20 years ago. No, no one would refuse a freebie, but when the “partners” drew “red lines”, the ruling clans felt the real danger of losing capital and real estate. On the other hand, within the country we need to look like patriots, especially after Crimea. This is the situation for Russia - no war, no peace,
  81. +3
    1 2014 June
    This wave will begin to gain strength towards the turn of summer-autumn of this year. But, of course, the puppeteers of the junta also understand this, and therefore they can, having become completely enraged, begin open terror and genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine using weapons of mass destruction against civilians. And then Russia will have no choice but to openly intervene.

    This is just around the corner. But only in this case will a belated intervention cost much more for Russia! Because, most likely, you will have to deal with the Nazis who received American weapons, supported by a large number of mercenaries from overseas.
    bring in troops. But where to enter? On the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics? So, what is next? And then NATO peacekeeping troops will appear in the rest of Ukraine

    And who said that peacekeeping, in quotes, troops will appear there right away? First, Russia will enter only in territories that have declared their independence - and quite legitimately, and this can be clearly stated at the global level, indicating the goal - protection of civilians. Secondly, when Russia begins to act, liberation movements in all regions of the South and East will immediately begin active actions, and they may well ensure the accession of their regions to the federation of Novorossiya. In addition, one should not think that there are no sober-minded people in the center and in the west - and among politicians too! The loss of the South-East means for Ukraine the loss of all key enterprises for the economy, and final impoverishment! What remains in this case will not be needed by the EU - except perhaps as a “garden garden”...
    If you really don’t want to go into an obvious military confrontation now, you could at least recognize Novorossiya and provide it with modern weapons, as well as support for a “no-fly zone.” Since it is entrusted with the role of a springboard for the future liberation of “all of Ukraine,” Novorossiya has the right to count on such help! In my opinion..
    Overall the article is a minus.
  82. +1
    1 2014 June
    That the Junta doesn’t like my idea of ​​staging a coup against them, it’s right to be afraid of the bastard and bloodsucker. Let's get even with all Bandera's scum. soldier
  83. 0
    1 2014 June
    That the Junta doesn’t like my idea of ​​staging a coup against them, it’s right to be afraid of the bastard and bloodsucker. Let's get even with all Bandera's scum. soldier
  84. 0
    1 2014 June
    So don’t deceive anyone - there is no help from Russia, not because “Moscow does not see your hands,” but because the Russian elite does not want to part with the wonderful life in the occupation - Bavarian beer and Conchita sausage. Some people do not want to be seriously responsible for their words, and the rhetoric “so no one rises up” is a form of excuse. On the contrary, the more decisive the uprising, the more intensely they wag their backs in Moscow. So don't...
    But there is one additional complication in our situation - most volunteer armies were formed around an officer core. As I understand it, Strelkov was simply cut off from officer recruits from Russia. Igor Ivanovich’s appeal, unfortunately, confirms the hypothesis that has emerged for a long time that the border for trained volunteers is closed not so much on the Ukrainian side as on the Russian side. Otherwise, it is impossible to imagine that in the entire vast Russian Federation there were not at least 30-50 officers who would not have arrived during these 1,5 months. I heard a lot of bad rumors about how people are “strongly not recommended” to go - and this has already formed a not very good overall picture. (Egor Kholmogorov. OPD “Russian East” Central News Agency of Novorossiya)

    And despite this, volunteer detachments are being formed in different parts of Russia, from other countries. People just do what they have to do.
  85. +4
    1 2014 June
    With the adoption of the economic package of the agreement with the EU, in a couple of months Ukraine will experience all the “delights” of European integration, and then the number of passionaries in the country will increase sharply, and the wave of popular indignation will no longer be contained. But until this moment, the unrecognized Novorossiya must hold out. Hold on as the banner of a new, free and independent Ukraine, under which the new passionaries of Odessa, Kyiv, Dnepropetrovsk and other Ukrainian cities will subsequently stand.


    This whole rigmarole in Ukraine may well continue for 10 years... because those 19-25 year old fascists who today think that they are building a new Ukraine will either have to see the light and learn the real history, or die... yes ! They should not exist in Ukraine. There can be no compromise here; there is no other solution to the current problem. As long as they exist with such “views,” the conflict may escalate and be forgotten, but it will not be resolved.

    For Russia, in the long term, it does not bring anything good... It must be clearly resolved by eradicating fascism from the border state. Today, no matter how cynical it may sound, the “price” that will motivate Russia to actively intervene in a forceful solution to the conflict has not yet been paid.
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    1. +1
      1 2014 June
      Quote: zali
      You vile creatures first devoured what was ours - coal, ore, Shebelinsky gas, and now you want to eat your own - what was also ours.

      You know, this is more reminiscent of the behavior of the Kyiv junta and the “great Ukrainians”: “The whole world fed on Ukraine, grew from it - and then everyone betrayed us!”
      Doesn't your speech remind you of this? Before you shout, think about WHO you are voicing your complaints to: those who really influence politics will not hear you anyway. And here it is:
      Quote: zali
      Donbass wishes you creatures - when you are robbed and raped - so that everyone will also pass by and no one will help you.

      It is unlikely to add respect to you and increase understanding of your problems..
  87. 0
    1 2014 June
    No, help from RUSSIA has already arrived, not only humanitarian but also from militias, and weapons have already begun to pass through our border. This is all unofficial, but it's help. And if necessary, it will come to official help. soldier
  88. MG42
    +4
    1 2014 June
    Option number 1 is to send in troops. But where to enter? On the territory of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics? So, what is next? And then NATO peacekeeping troops will appear in the rest of Ukraine

    Complete nonsense, Ukraine is already a NATO member, how will NATO send troops to us? There have already been a lot of statements by both NATO and the United States on this matter. Of course, when Putin sits for a long time by the river waiting for the corpse of his enemy to float downstream, Of course, we can wait until Ukraine becomes a member of NATO. crying And the missile defense system will be deployed, no doubt about it.

    Option No. 2 - a massive and lightning-fast deployment of troops to the entire territory of Ukraine, the actual occupation of the country. NATO is unlikely to interfere in this case, because this will already be a war with Russia

    Why send troops to ALL Ukraine, there is no need to cross the Dnieper, otherwise the bullets will be in the back, worse than in Chechnya, that the story with the UPA has been forgotten. Galicia is a completely different civilization.
    Option No. 3 remains - Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia, and Russia will help it, as it did before. To do this, a national liberation war must begin within Ukraine itself. To do this, the Ukrainians themselves must stand up to arms and say a loud “No!” the junta and its puppet masters.

    She won’t overthrow herself. In the East of Ukraine, until recently, there was no Maidan experience; here people are used to working and feeling power. The maidans are busy with seasonal work, note that all the maidans were in the winter, when they are not in season, you can hang out near the barrels. laughing
    Now there is a vacuum = there is no power on which they can rely. They expressed their attitude in referendums, which the Russian Federation never officially recognized.
  89. Lion
    0
    1 2014 June
    And I see a way out of this through the South Stream. Crimea has already been screwed by Fashington, there is still hope to get on the pipe, but this will not work until the South Stream starts working (when it starts working, turn off the Ukrainian pipe). There's nothing else to catch there. This is how everyone will fall behind Ukraine; the EU will not be interested in it without a pipe, and even with a smoldering conflict. Then they (the ancient Ukrainians) themselves will raise the junta and everything will be fine on the edge of our common civilization. After all, Putin is doing all this so that interest in Ukraine disappears (a matter of time). Yes + new income for the National Treasure. This is a symbiosis of state interests. and private, capitalism and socialism, people and power. And who will say that this is not so? He is a liberal, blind and stupid.
  90. +2
    1 2014 June
    where the guerrilla-terrorist war will begin


    Bullshit, this requires a large number of rural population capable of surviving in the forests for a long time.
  91. 0
    1 2014 June
    From my point of view, confining ourselves to Ukraine is not enough. It is necessary in Europe to attract to our side everyone who is against the US policy in Ukraine, who is against the EU policy towards Ukraine, so that people in the West know the truth, in order to create a public opinion in the West that is different from the one that is being formed in current Europe at the behest of the United States. Moreover, there are already obvious partners in this issue - the M. Lipen party.
  92. 0
    1 2014 June
    Ukraine, the USA, the EU, are in a stalemate, if all the Ukrainians begin, in the truest sense of the word, to level the violence of the DPR to the ground. RUSSIA will first show this to the whole world, then the deployment of troops to the whole of Ukraine; the EU will not agree to sanctions and support the junta; the whole world was a witness to genocide, If they continue to behave as they are now, by the fall, Novorosiya itself will sweep away all this infection, the United States is spawning and it’s not how and not how, what to do, let them punish themselves better, then we will cause more pain.
  93. -1
    1 2014 June
    The 3rd option is identical to the 2nd, only longer and bloodier. The western part should be invited to hold a referendum on independence. Most likely they will accept it, because the forces are painfully unequal and they don’t want to wear masks. And we recognize them as a state. What they do next is their problem. The main thing for us is to ensure the security of the external borders, so to speak, of the occupied territory, and let the locals deal with internal problems. Without external support, the partisans of the National Guard will quickly deflate. And we will offer them to leave the country. Of course, there must be economic expansion. People haven't gotten used to working yet. They need stability and confidence in the future. Of course there will be terrorism. But we more or less cope with it, not always successfully, but... This is a trend throughout the world and we will solve it. The locals will help us with this. At the moment there is a need for PEACE there.
  94. 0
    1 2014 June
    read http://voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/1153-zayavlenie-oon-gosudarstva-ukraina-ne
    ti-nikogda-ne-bylo.html
  95. +2
    1 2014 June
    Ukraine itself must overthrow the junta and declare eternal friendship with Russia,


    This will never happen! Coma in the eastern regions, but there the people have already risen. In the south, Khersonskaya will leave no one to rise, because the majority are brainwashed forever.
    1. green
      -1
      1 2014 June
      The USSR was destroyed by the propaganda of liberalist media at the instigation of the corrupt pro-Western elite of the CPSU,
      , the entire young generation in Ukraine has been brainwashed and a split in this new formation is inevitable, the process has begun, and its end is just a matter of time.
      1. 0
        1 2014 June
        Quote: zali
        The USSR was destroyed by the propaganda of liberalist media

        I wonder where you saw them during that time?
  96. +3
    1 2014 June
    We came to the site late. But I think maybe someone will read it. Cool idea, based on our blood - to earn priority. After all, Novorossiya could have been recognized.................... I’m always for the Russians, because they are like that themselves, but your games are our lifeblood, I’m not speaking from the couch.
    1. green
      +2
      1 2014 June
      You're right:
      oligophrenic money oligarchs and politicians are “negating”, and the Slavic and Russian people are wiping away their tears....
      1. 0
        1 2014 June
        Gulchatay! Show your face

    2. +1
      1 2014 June
      Quote: Lavrov
      but your games are our lifeblood

      Know the extreme in life ?!
      Sorry, but these are only and only your games, independent you are ours!
      How many came to the presidential elections in Ukraine?
      Could you tell ?

      Help, we will help as much as we can.
      We will accept refugees, territories that are free until...!
      But no one will fight for you.
      Only for themselves, for their territory, and this will not suit the majority of Ukrainians.
      hi
  97. +3
    1 2014 June
    I'm pretty tired of the stupid accusations of miners' inaction. Miners (like
    other civilians) must earn money and feed their families. Jumper
    You can't fight off an airplane or a tank with a hammer. For combat
    there is an army (armed forces). This is precisely their profession.
    And the armed forces are maintained at the expense of peaceful (NON-FIGHTING) residents. So
    from the creation of the world to the present day. Nobody calls on the military to cut down
    coal or plow the land.
    1. 0
      1 2014 June
      Yes? and how many boys have already died in the southeast. who came as volunteers from Russia. They also had families and had to be fed. but they came and fought. and not only from Russia. and not all of them were military.
  98. 0
    1 2014 June
    "and therefore they can, having become completely enraged, begin openly blatant terror and genocide of the Russian people in Ukraine using weapons of mass destruction against civilians. And then Russia will have no choice but to openly intervene."
    Does Ukraine have weapons of mass destruction?
    We will still have to intervene, I hope our leadership knows better than me how and when to do this. As for genocide, all the facts are present, except for the concentration camps. Or I'm wrong?
  99. 0
    1 2014 June
    Expressing your opinion about events is, of course, exciting and interesting. But if someone, like me, believes that the militias in the DPR and LPR are fighting not only for themselves, but also FOR US, and cannot go there as a volunteer (if only because they are no longer healthy, and the military profession was the Strategic Missile Forces , and then only from 82 to 84, and there they need young, healthy and/or professionals), then I urge you to help them. rv.org.ru/dnr - everything is written there. If 20 million people if they chip in 5 thousand rubles, it will be 100 billion rubles. Only. Weak?
  100. 0
    1 2014 June
    Ukraine
    she must overthrow the junta and
    declare eternal friendship with
    Russia, and Russia will be her
    help, as I did before.
    To do this, inside Ukraine itself
    national
    liberation war. For this
    Ukrainians themselves must stand up
    gun and say a loud “No!”
    the junta and its puppet masters. Exactly this
    understand and are afraid themselves
    puppeteers. That's why they go
    punitive operations in the country.
    This is why people were burned
    in Odessa. That is why
    Poroshenko received the order quickly and
    brutally suppress resistance
    east.

    There is a grain of logic here.+++

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