Sevastopol perspectives after reunification with Russia

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All the leading powers of the world have long maintained their naval bases in other countries. And this was done both with the consent of these countries, and without it. A typical example is Gibraltar, where Spain has been trying to expose the British for 200 for years, and Guantanamo, from where half a century Cubans have been dreaming of banishing the Yankees. But in all cases, these naval bases (naval base) are compact pieces of the coast.

Actually, our military wanted to do the same in the 1990s during the division of the Black Sea fleet. They wanted to get the whole Great Sevastopol Bay. I note that there are 21 bays in Sevastopol, of which six are of such magnitude that any of them can accommodate the entire fleet of Ukraine. I'm not talking about the fact that Ukraine received a naval base in Odessa, Donuzlav, Feodosia and Kerch. Russia, except for Sevastopol, does not have a single naval base on the Black Sea. In Novorossiysk, for a number of reasons, only temporary anchorage of warships is possible.

However, the Ukrainian side insisted that the military facilities of both sides in Sevastopol resembled a strip strip. I myself am almost annually in Sevastopol, but so far I can not understand exactly where the territory of one fleet ended and the territory of the other began. The same situation with the berths, with warehouses, various coastal services, cultural facilities, etc.

Immediately after the seizure of Kiev by the pro-American junta, the Ukrainian media were full of articles predicting the death of the Black Sea Fleet. Sarcasm was considered options for when Russia will beg the United States to allow it to maintain the Black Sea Fleet to maintain prestige, etc. Alas, the authors of these articles were absolutely right.

Militant-zapadentsam would not even need to storm the military facilities of the Black Sea Fleet. It was enough for them to block several streets with barricades and completely paralyze the functioning of the Russian naval base. It is clear in advance that the invasion of militants would not allow Russian ships to be taken away without blood. But even in the case of fantastic luck - Kiev’s consent to the withdrawal of Russian ships within a week or even a month - less than a third of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and up to 20% of auxiliary ships could have been withdrawn.

For example, if the cruiser "Moscow" was in full combat readiness, then the second largest combat ship of the Black Sea fleet BOD "Kerch" under its own power can go only after a few weeks. The same can be said about the huge floating hospital "Yenisei" and dozens of other vessels.

Do not forget that a significant part of the crews of the auxiliary vessels of the Black Sea Fleet have families and property in Sevastopol. They hate maydanschikov, but would they have agreed to leave everything and leave Sevastopol? But in general, where to go to the Russian fleet? Nowhere!

AMERICAN FOCUSES

Since the middle of the 1990-s, the ships of the United States and non-Black Sea countries of NATO have settled in the Black Sea on a permanent basis. And most of them tried to go to Sevastopol for a few days.

So far, they have adhered to the Montreux 1936 Convention of the Year, which prohibits non-Black Sea warships from being in the Black Sea over the 21 day. And the total tonnage of such ships should not exceed 30 thousand tons. Moreover, one state should not account for more than 20 thousand tons. However, the United States increasingly tried to circumvent the Montreux Convention. So, in 2000, a surprise visit for the command of the Black Sea Fleet was the visit to Sevastopol of American boats of the Mk V type (sometimes also of the Pegasus type, although here they should not be confused with the Pegasus hydrofoil boats that used to be in combat the US Navy), which were designed and built in the second half of the 1990-s under the special order of the US Special Operations Command. The priority task of these boats, which are classified only as a “Special Operations Boat” (Special Operations Craft), is to ensure the actions of the US Navy special forces units, as well as units of special operations forces of other types of US aircraft, for which the boat can receive a group of 16 special forces.

“Two boats were delivered by rail from the Mediterranean to the Romanian port of Constanta and made a march to Sevastopol by agreement with the command of the Ukrainian Navy. On 16.30 on Friday, September 29, 2000, both boats entered the South Bay of Sevastopol and left a lag at the pier of the sea terminal. The boats were met by the Ukrainian boat U 583 "Shulyavka", and nothing was reported about the nature of the visit in the press. The visit of American friends was accompanied by the complete closure of the territory of the sea port for visits, ”news agencies reported at the time.

It is possible that the United States was planning to fictitiously sell its battle boats to Romania or Bulgaria, that is, to simply arrange a masquerade, similar to what the Germans spent in 1914, selling the Geben and Breslau cruisers to the Turks. Thus, the American ships, only having changed the flag, could be permanently based in the Black Sea. But then it did not happen ... But at the beginning of 2006, the United States, under the guise of military exercises "Sea Breeze-2006", gathered quietly to start building their military base in Crimea.

25 May 2006, the container ship Advantage under the flag of the United States arrived at the Feodosia port. According to the official version, he was supposed to deliver equipment for conducting exercises "Sea Breeze-2006" to the Crimea. And in fact, "Advantage" delivered weapon and equipment for the construction of a military base in the Old Crimea. In addition, over 500 American servicemen were delivered to the Crimea, which the Ukrainian authorities, for reasons of secrecy, placed in the well-guarded sanatoriums of Theodosia and Alushta.

1 June 2006, residents of the town of Stary Krym, led by a Cossack community in Kirovsky district, set up pickets and blocked entrances to the Starokrymsky military training ground. On June 6, the Supreme Council of Crimea held a parliamentary meeting and adopted a statement in which he spoke “for declaring Crimea a territory without NATO”. On this day, the Sevastopol City Council demanded that the Government of Ukraine stop calling the ships of the North Atlantic Alliance into the Sevastopol Bay. Then it was possible to disrupt the deployment in the Crimea of ​​the American military base. But it is easy to assume that if it were not for the decisive actions of Russia in March 2014 and the population’s rejection of the Kiev junta in Crimea, then in May of this year American troops would probably have been in the Crimea.

FLAMMABLE AIRWAYER

Currently, the military-political situation on the Black Sea has changed dramatically. No wonder the generals and admirals of Europe and America have been saying for two centuries already: “Who owns Sevastopol owns the Black Sea”. And rightly called the Crimea "unsinkable aircraft carrier." Already, on the airfields of the Crimea, Russian fighters and front-line bombers are based without any restrictions.

It is worth paying attention to the 12 incident of April 2014 of the year when the Russian Su-24 12 off the coast of Romania flew once and a half hours at 150 m height and about a kilometer from the American destroyer of the Aidis missile-defense system with SAM "Standard-3". As is known, American planes regularly flew and fly over Soviet and Russian ships, almost touching the tops of the masts, and such routine affairs are not reported in the press, no notes are sent.

It would seem that the passage of the old Russian aircraft at a kilometer distance from the destroyer is an excellent training for the Aegis complex and the Phalanx self-defense complex. The Yankees should have been happy, not freaked out. Nevertheless, the State Department broke out with a hysterical statement about the Russian provocation, the “unprofessional actions of the Russian pilots,” etc. Interestingly, the Yankees do not focus on finding the second Su-24 in the area of ​​the incident. According to some media reports, the second Su-24 was equipped with the Khibiny KS-418 radar combat complex. After the inclusion of this complex, all US air defense and missile defense systems lost their target and temporarily failed. If such a situation actually took place, then it seems that this could actually infuriate the Yankees.

By the way, until 1991, 5 regiments of long-range missile-bearing bases were based at first-class Crimean airfields aviation Black Sea Fleet capable of hitting any target in the Mediterranean Sea, North Africa, Southern Europe and the Middle East. And now intensive work is underway to restore a large airfield in the Guards, where long-range naval aviation was based until 1991. There they are preparing for the meeting of the Tu-22M3, nicknamed the "ship killers."

Since March, the Russian anti-ship complex "Bastion", equipped with supersonic Onyx cruise missiles, from Cape Fiolent has been targeting most of the Black Sea right down to the Turkish coast and the entire coast of Ukraine, including the port of Odessa.

Nevertheless, despite a significant change in the balance of forces on the Black Sea after the return of the Crimea, the Black Sea Fleet is more than an order of magnitude inferior to the US Navy's 6 fleet both in terms of tonnage and firepower. Over the past 23 years, the Ukrainian authorities have in every way prevented any renewal or build-up of the Russian ship group in Sevastopol. Almost all the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, built before the 1990 year, are heavily worn out, and many fleet weapons systems are morally obsolete.

WHAT IS THERE NOW

For example, the BNC Kerch 9 of May 2014 of the year stood in the parade in front of the Monument to the Scuttled Ships. However, this BOD (the full displacement of 8533 tons) did not leave the Black Sea since the fall of the 1998, and was mostly under repair. On 1 of January of the current year he was in the reserve of the 2 category, and the crew consisted of a conservation team - 25 – 30 people. The ammunition of Kerch, including the Rastrub-B, Storm-N and Osa-M missile systems, was on the shore in complete safety.

Now there are reports that from June 2014-th to November 2015-th "Kerch" will undergo a scheduled repair repair. I note that the BPC Kerch project 1134B was commissioned as early as 1974, that is, 40 years ago, and needs very expensive repairs, replacing many units, cables, etc. In addition, its missile weapons are outdated, and work on the modernization of the air defense system "Storm" has long ceased. By the way, the naval authorities said that it was for this reason that the BOD Ochakov, which had been under repair since 1993, was recently put on scrap.

A reasonable question arises: what is cheaper, to overhaul the Kerch with the replacement of missile weapons with a new one or build a new cruiser?

Sevastopol perspectives after reunification with Russia

The patrol ships of the 22460 project are designed to form the core of the Russian Coast Guard.


Now in the Black Sea Fleet there is one submarine "Alrosa". Another submarine B-380 "Holy Prince George" of the project 641B is located in the floating dock PD-16, in the South Bay of Sevastopol. The boat was put in for repair in 1992, and I saw it in the same 10 dock in May 2014. PD-16 - a trophy float that served in Kriegsmarine, almost all rotted and inevitably collapsed during flooding. For the last 5 years, admirals and engineers have been thinking how to get the B-380 out of the dock so that both objects won't fall apart. In this case, the entry into the combat fleet B-380 is not planned. They want to turn it into a charging station.

BOD project 61 "Sharp-witted" was introduced into the Black Sea Fleet back in 1969 year. In 1987, it was supplied for a major overhaul, during which in 1990 – 1995 it was upgraded according to the 01090 project. On it, the aft 76-mm AK-726 installation was dismantled, and the Kayra MNK-300 submarine detection complex was installed instead. In 2002, in place of two RBU-1000, the “Shifty” installed launchers for eight Uran anti-ship missiles (X-35). And now the 12 years of the BOD frightened the adversary with empty guides, because the 35 missiles on the Black Sea Fleet failed to deliver the X-2014 missiles for March.

There are “problems” in most of the other ships and vessels of the Black Sea Fleet. But the construction of new combat surface ships and submarines for the Black Sea Fleet comes very late. According to the original plans they were supposed to guard the Sochi Olympics. According to the plans for May 2014, the first new submarine of the 636.3 Novorossiysk project should go to the Black Sea “along inland waterways”, that is, along the Volga – Don Canal, only by the end of 2014. And the first of the “guards” or, as they are now classified, frigates, by that time should come to Sevastopol, rounding Europe through the Bosporus.

Already in April, the ships of the Russian Coast Guard patrolled the waters of the peninsula. The coast guard ship Zhemchug (onboard number 52) took part in the 9 parade of May in Sevastopol, another ship, Krasnodar (onboard number 136), was on duty at the entrance to the Yalta port from 1 to 8. Unfortunately, the border ships guarding the peninsula, based in Novorossiysk. It seems that they still need to be transferred to the Crimea, at least in the same Balaclava or in the western part of the peninsula.

HERITAGE OF UKRAINIAN MANAGEMENT

A few words should be said about the ships of the Ukrainian Navy, abandoned in the Crimea by Ukrainian crews. In April, 2014, their return to Ukraine was planned. For example, on April 11, Russian sea tugs MB-174 and MB-163 removed the tanker Fastov from Streletskaya Bay, and from Quarantine Bay - the Priluki missile boat and in neutral waters were transferred to Ukrainian tugs.

Ukrainian ships that were blocked in Donuzlav 4 in March of this year can be withdrawn from there only after the recovery of BOD Ochakov, which was flooded in the channel leading to Lake Donuzlav. The corvette Vinnitsa, the Olshansky BDK, Kirovograd KFOR, the Chernigov and Cherkasy minesweepers, the Genichesk raid minesweeper, and also 6 ships and boats were locked there. Well, the rise of "Ochakov" is scheduled for June 2014 of the year.

I note that at the end of April the transfer of ships to Ukraine from the Sevastopol bays was suspended. Perhaps the transfer will be resumed in June. In the meantime, the only defective submarine of the Ukrainian fleet "Zaporizhia" is in Sevastopol under the flag of St. Andrew. Under the Russian flags and with the Russian crews are the corvettes "Ternopil", "Khmelnitsky" and others.

In conclusion, it should be said that before 1991, in the Crimea there were quite powerful shipbuilding and ship repair plants. The largest shipbuilding plant in Crimea was the Sevastopol Marine Plant. The company has actually not been operating for several years. Most of the machines and equipment stolen. According to media reports, by the end of 2008, the debt of OJSC SMZ amounted to about 100 million hryvnia. Liquidation value is estimated at 30 – 50 million dollars. Wage arrears to plant employees amounted to 6 million hryvnias. If by the year 1991, 11 820 people worked at the plant, by the end of the year 2008 it was about 700, and they had not been paid for many months.

The fate of the Sevmorzavod was to be shared by the Feodosia shipbuilding plant “More”. There, in the 1970 – 1980-ies, the border PDAs “Antares” were built, and from the 1980-ies small anti-submarine CPC “Sokol” were built. In the 1970 – 1980-ies there were manufactured air assault boats on an air cushion (KVP) "Skat", amphibious KVP "Omar" and "Kalmar", rocket-artillery KVP "Kasatka" and the hover-sweeper. From 1959 to 1976, Pastel hydrofoil passenger ships were built at the More plant. A total of 389 "Rocket" was built, including 32 for export. In 1965 – 1980, the ships were built on hydrofoils (SEC) “Kometa”. In total 86 “Komet” was built, including 34 for export. In 1976, the river Voskhod-2 came to replace Rocket. In total, the 1976 of the Voskhod-1992 motor ships was built from 156 to 2 year. From 1992 to 2002, the shipyard built the Voskhod-2M SEC.

But ... by 2005, the More plant was in a state of bankruptcy. Kiev authorities were going to "cut" this state-owned enterprise into the parking lot for basing and minor repairs of private yachts.

However, the Sea was saved by the Bison. This is the world's largest hovercraft. The ship of the project 12322 "Bison" was created by a number of factories of the RSFSR, the lead developer - TsMKB "Almaz". The total displacement of the ship is 550 tons, cruising speed - up to 63 knots, cruising range depending on speed - from 55 to 300 miles. A ship can carry three tank T-80, or 10 armored personnel carriers, or 8 infantry fighting vehicles, or a landing party for up to 500 people. In 1988, according to the documentation of "Diamond" and with the help of its specialists, the construction of the "Bison" at the More factory in Feodosia began. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the division of the Black Sea Fleet, three ships went to the Russian Navy, and Ukraine received three combat-ready ships (Gorlovka, Kramatorsk and Artemyevsk), and two unfinished ones at the plant.

And now in 2000, four “Bison” decided to purchase Greece. Moreover, in order to avoid a scandal, since the 1232 project is the intellectual property of Russia, two ZUBRs were purchased in the Russian Federation, and two at the MORA plant.

Speaking of the two "Bison", the Greeks had in mind the ships that were still being built at the "More" plant. One ship (berth number 305), commissioned 3 February 2001, was transferred to Greece, where he received the name "Ithaki L181". That is what saved the plant from bankruptcy. However, instead of the second ship, the Ukrainian side decided to supply the Greeks with a “second-hand” ship, the Gorlovka (building number 303). It was slightly repaired and even painted. But the evil Greeks did not understand the subtleties of “Ukrainian commerce” - they refused from the “Gorlovka” and turned to the Russian side.

In September, an additional agreement was signed between FSUE "Rosoboronexport" and the Ministry of Defense of Greece on the construction of another Zubr-type ship. According to the first agreement, the ship “Kefallinia” had already been sent to Greece in December 2002 of the year, and the second - “Zakynthos” - was transferred to Greece in September 2000. Then, on January 2001, 24, at the shipyard of OJSC “Almaz”, the laying of the third Bison for the Greek Navy took place.

And yet the production at the “More” plant has not completely collapsed. In 2009, China ordered four Bison to the plant. Of these, two were to be built in Feodosia, and two more - in the People's Republic of China according to Ukrainian documentation and with the help of Ukrainian specialists. Order date of performance - 5 years, the total price - about 1 billion hryvnia. Work began in August 2010. And if in May 2010, only 267 people worked at the plant, by the end of the year their number increased to one and a half thousand.

Why did the Chinese prefer Ukraine rather than Russia? Apparently, they took less there, and most importantly, the Russian Federation demanded that the People's Republic of China initially order the 15 Zubr, and only then receive technical documentation and other assistance in building ships in Chinese shipyards. This was a well-founded demand, as the Chinese quickly mastered imported military equipment, and then began to sell it all over the world. As a result, the Russian-Chinese negotiations were suspended, and the PRC concluded a deal with Ukraine.

Naturally, the leadership of the Almaz Central Securities and Design Bureau stated that the Ukrainian side had grossly violated the Russian-Ukrainian agreement 2006 of the year on mutual protection of intellectual property rights obtained in the course of bilateral military cooperation, since Ukraine had transferred technical documentation to Zubr without the consent of the Russian side.

And then Ukraine organized a natural farce of a small scale, declaring that not the Russian Zubry according to the 12322 project were being built in Feodosia, but purely Ukrainian ships of the Bison type based on the 958 project. The Ukrainian side categorically refused to explain the fundamental differences between “Bizon” and “Bison”.

The construction of the first Zubrobizon plant “More” finished on September 2013, and in October its factory tests began. 25 of the same year, the cargo ship "New York" of the German company Hansa Heavy Lift safely delivered the ship to the Chinese port of Guangzhou. The second Zubrobizon did not have time to pass all the required factory tests, but due to the well-known 1 events of March 2014, two tugboats brought the ship from the territory of the More plant and brought it to the Feodosia port. There he was placed in a non-propelled pontoon and 3 March was led to the Bosphorus.

And one more profile enterprise ... The Sevastopol Ship-Repairing Plant No. 13, founded back in 1887, went to Russia in the division of the Black Sea Fleet. And therefore he was in a relatively satisfactory condition all the years of the Ukrainian Independence Square. Although the Ukrainian administration not only did not help the ship repair plant number 13, but also tried its best to destroy it. Thus, a criminal case was initiated against the management of the enterprise, allegedly due to non-payment of 25 million rubles. to the budget of Ukraine. The bank accounts of the plant in the banks of Sevastopol were blocked and arrest was placed on its property. And in 2009 – 2010, the Ukrainian tax authorities demanded that the plant pay value-added tax and allegedly underpaid Ukraine 11,5 million hryvnias.

Naturally, in the spring of 2014, new perspectives opened up before plant No. 13. Thus, on May 11 of the year 2014, a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet "Admiral Levchenko" arrived in Sevastopol. BOD since January 2014 has served in the Mediterranean. Now it was decided to put it in for repair in factory No. 13. The ship will be put into the dock PD-30 after the repaired BDK "Azov" and SKR "Ladny" are brought out. I note that until March 2014, Ukraine did not allow Russian ships of other fleets to enter Sevastopol. Nowadays, the Black Sea Fleet and ships from the changing squadron of the Mediterranean squadron received in Sevastopol not only a convenient parking place, but also a relatively good repair base.

The aggravation of the situation in Ukraine, measures to ensure the safety of the Crimean shelf, maintenance of ships carrying military service in the Mediterranean, and many other factors require an urgent update of the Black Sea Fleet's ship crews, putting all the Black Sea Fleet airfields in the 1991 year in order to ensure basing all types of aircraft in service with the Russian Federation.

In the author's opinion, the 9 division of the Black Sea Fleet from the Caucasus coast back to Sevastopol should be urgently relocated. Let me remind you that this department is in charge of special ammunition.
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  1. +65
    1 June 2014 14: 55
    1- restore Balaclava and make the base of small submarines
    2- restore ports and moorings
    3- restore shore batteries
    4- restore the locator system


    1. +16
      1 June 2014 15: 21
      According to experts, the balaclava will now be a fixed target with a bunch of diesel submarines. The conclusion was made after inspecting the base. It was concluded that the repair of this entire economy is not economically and strategically profitable. The potential adversary was prompted by the presence of high-precision weapons (which easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance gate), in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetration properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete slabs to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside.
      1. +45
        1 June 2014 15: 28
        In general, Crimea is the main strategic object that will cover the entire South-East of our Russia. Plus these are non-freezing ports with preserved infrastructure. Fortunately, the Ukrainians did not have time to completely sell and destroy all this. Here are the people buy and sell.
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          1. +18
            1 June 2014 16: 48
            And may the Pentagon tremble ...
            1. Voenruk
              0
              2 June 2014 16: 25
              ... when the Bastion is on guard)
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            1. Gloria45
              +13
              1 June 2014 18: 36
              Another important freshman
              strelkov
              June 01, 2014 15:00 in Moscow, Igor Strelkov, commander of the Donbass militia:

              “This morning, the Ukrainian army was severely battered at the checkpoint of the BZS ... In the hotel, where the garrison is resting, floors have been formed. Yesterday, they destroyed the mortar crew at the turn to Krasny Lyman and crushed a lot of infantry. This afternoon, this checkpoint was again handled by mortars - the howitzer crew simply threw the cannon and fled into the landing, in response with only two shots. In ukroSMI - complete deathly silence ...

              By the way, according to some reports, yesterday their combat helicopters (in the amount of 4 or 5 pieces) mistakenly worked out their positions near Karachun (visually we watched their work - we just didn’t see where and to whom they beat - we were still surprised - ours- it’s not there at all). And they worked very productively. Again, complete silence ...

              We have one night - one slightly injured. Yesterday, there were no casualties among the militias at all - only among the unfortunate civilian population, according to which Ukrainians beat how much in vain.
              Hello everyone from the crew of the three times destroyed "Nona"! Do not wait.

              When the truth about the losses near Slavyansk comes up, this government will come ... "Karachun". Therefore, they need to take Slavyansk at all costs and “write off” all the losses to the “victorious assault.”

              According to volunteers who continue to come to the militia of Slavyansk:

              “About 100 fresh volunteers came to us in a day.”

              http://infoborona.org/2014/06/01/igor-strelkov-privet-vsem-ot-ekipazha-troekratn

              o-unichtozhennoj-nony-ne-dozhdutsya /
              for comparison
              KIEV, June 1 - RIA News. The second battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine, formed from Maidan self-defense fighters, took up military posts around Slavyansk, Donetsk region, said Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Andriy Parubiy.

              “The second battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine, formed from Maidan’s self-defense fighters, took up military posts around Slavyansk,” Parubiy wrote on his Facebook page on Sunday.

              According to him, the fighters on Sunday already held the first detention of supporters of the independence of Donbass.
              1. +13
                1 June 2014 19: 12
                Quote: gloria45
                Hello to everyone from the crew of the three times destroyed "Nona"

                I wonder how many girls this year will be called Nona.
                love
              2. +2
                1 June 2014 19: 59
                Quote: gloria45
                The first detention of supporters of the independence of Donbass.

                !!! I did not understand this, they began to call it that, or our name?
                1. Gloria45
                  +4
                  1 June 2014 20: 19
                  This is our name followed by info
              3. +4
                2 June 2014 16: 27
                Then this nona on the pedestal, next to the T-34
        2. 0
          2 June 2014 00: 08
          Quote: juborg
          all southeast


          ATTENTION!
          The Military Commissariat of the Donbass People’s Militia began working in Moscow - social network

          In Moscow, the Military Commissariat of the Donbass Militia began work. A message about this is distributed on social networks Vkontakte and LJ.

          "Attention! Information for Russians and anti-fascists from other countries!
          In Moscow, the Military Commissariat of the Donbass Militia began work.
          Anyone wishing to help the people of Novorossia in the struggle for freedom - contact the Military Commissariat! ", - the message says.
          The contacts of the NOD military commissariats in Moscow are also posted:
          e-mail: [email protected]
          skype: novoross2405

          “The channel is open - the army of Colonel Strelkov is in Slavyansk and the people of Novorossiya are waiting for your help, brothers!”, The message says. The authors also ask readers to disseminate this notice to social media users as much as possible.
      2. mihasik
        +5
        1 June 2014 16: 03
        It was concluded that the repair of this entire economy is not economically and strategically profitable. The potential adversary was prompted by the presence of high-precision weapons (which easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance gate), in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetration properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete slabs to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside.

        But what about our vaunted air defense?
      3. +38
        1 June 2014 16: 05
        And despite all your arguments, this base deserves to be restored, if only because the boats can enter and exit underwater, and this is a huge plus for such a small water area, which is the Black Sea. Yes, and how not to twist under the protection of a rock as it is more reliable. After all, fighters wear bulletproof vests, although they obviously do not protect against direct contact. So is high-precision weapons ... interference, weather, stars are not so, the sailor left the mop at the entrance ... but you never know.
        1. +9
          1 June 2014 16: 28
          Let's wait and see the fate of this unique strategic object in the past. To be honest, I myself was a little jarred by this conclusion of the military engineers. There everything rests on a significant expansion and deepening of this object, due to the changed dimensions of the boats. And this is very difficult, given the rocky ground and the deterioration of metal structures (including reinforced concrete products) for modest estimates 70-80%. Hence it is necessary to dance. The Ukrainians did not need this campaign, but as the saying goes, "I won't talk about it myself and won't give it to others." Ukrainians what to take!
          1. +1
            2 June 2014 23: 10
            you can just pack barges with (at least) portable complexes.
        2. +1
          1 June 2014 23: 06
          Quote: ochakow703
          this base deserves to be restored if only because boats can enter and exit underwater,

          Probably they can. Do you need? And I would like to see the commander, who will try to squeeze his 636.3 into a 12-meter "hole" underwater.
        3. +1
          2 June 2014 05: 30
          But in the end, why don’t we find a bolt with an oblique thread?
          Well, something like a tank defense
        4. +1
          2 June 2014 11: 40
          Quote: ochakow703
          And despite all your arguments, this base deserves to be restored, if only because the boats can enter and exit underwater, and this is a huge plus for such a small water area, which is the Black Sea. Yes, and how not to twist under the protection of a rock as it is more reliable. After all, fighters wear bulletproof vests, although they obviously do not protect against direct contact. So is high-precision weapons ... interference, weather, stars are not so, the sailor left the mop at the entrance ... but you never know.
          ...
          ... Unfortunately, the base hidden in the mountain is morally obsolete .... Modern submarines in size cannot enter the channel of the base .. The sizes are not the same ...
          1. +1
            2 June 2014 11: 55
            Unfortunately, the base hidden in the mountain is morally obsolete .... Modern submarines in size cannot enter the channel of the base .. The dimensions are not the same ...
            This is if you use nuclear powered ships like Kursk. That is yes. But for the World Cup, you can come up with something more miniature. This time.
            Above-water clearance in the aisle and casemates allows you to drive there and the usual warships of the corresponding surface dimensions. Draft there allows any ship. Indeed, for the submarine in the underwater position is designed. The aircraft carrier certainly can not hide. But there are a considerable number of smaller warships. These are two.
            Not to mention the "exotic" use cases like a secure mooring for loading / unloading airborne assault personnel and similar operations. Who will not care about air attacks and shelling.
        5. 0
          2 June 2014 23: 12
          a company of marine wipers left at the entrance 96 panicles with vertical take-off ....
      4. kombat58
        +14
        1 June 2014 16: 52
        In Balaklava, at facility 820 above structures, up to 130 meters of monolithic rocky soil. So a depth of 10 meters is ridiculous. It is not funny that the object was completely looted in 90 years. And the dimensions of the channel at the facility are designed for the long-discontinued submarine project. Let the museum remain there. And for the basing of boats, bays in Sevastopol will be enough.
      5. 11111mail.ru
        +3
        1 June 2014 17: 06
        Quote: juborg
        potentialOn enemy precision weapons whichs easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance target), in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetration properties, withсthe ability to punch reinforced concrete floors to a depth of 10 meters

        Does the fleet have air defense?
      6. +3
        1 June 2014 22: 29
        Quote: juborg
        According to experts, the balaclava will now be a fixed target with a bunch of diesel submarines. The conclusion was made after inspecting the base. It was concluded that the repair of this entire economy is not economically and strategically profitable. The potential adversary was prompted by the presence of high-precision weapons (which easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance gate), in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetration properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete slabs to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside.


        Whose secessionists were there? This campaign is a standard set of reasons used by lazy people to do nothing ... they say they can be found at the adversary ... The adversary must first go to the distance to start the concrete slaughter, etc. etc.

        You decide which side you are on.
      7. +6
        1 June 2014 22: 54
        Quote: juborg
        According to experts, the balaclava will now be a fixed target with a bunch of diesel submarines.

        And what, in the threatened period of combat readiness of VO, it is not planned to withdraw boats to secret areas? Well then A.A. it is necessary to remove, if it is not the corresponding position of the NSF Black Sea Fleet
        Quote: juborg
        repair of this whole economy is not economically and strategically profitable.
        Yes, there is no money now. ships need to be built. But that’s all! Strategically? What is it like? 825 and 820 objects start and triumphantly end the war against Turkey? Probably in the future this will become possible. According to press reports of May 2010, the leadership of the Russian Black Sea Fleet is considering the possibility of restoring the base in Balaklava and resuming its intended use.
        Quote: juborg
        The potential adversary was prompted by the presence of high-precision weapons (which easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance target),

        Oh woe to me, woe !!! At the entrance to the bay, the rocky coast makes several turns, therefore, from the side of the open sea the harbor is not visible at all. The enemy will be able to destroy only the northern gate overlooking the sea. But for this you need to try very hard with laser illumination of the target. The gates were so camouflaged (at one time) that it was difficult to find them closely if they were closed, and you do not know exactly where they are located.
        The gate in the Balaklava harbor can only be accessed from the "slide". Yes, it is probably possible to destroy the bathoport, but in such a manner the KR cannot "fly in." Speeds and cornering angles well, too "not comme il faut!"
        Quote: juborg
        the adversary has rockets with concrete penetrating properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete floors to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside.
        These trunks from battleships must be dropped from 10 km to dig such a hole in rocky ground (even a shell rock!). Above the object is the whole mountain of Tavros. He would not have been injured even in the event of a direct atomic strike with power up to 100 CT.
        In general, at your leisure, look at the pictures and read about the base of the submarine http://frantsouzov.livejournal.com/46587.html
        1. -3
          2 June 2014 18: 23
          Have you read anything about ventilation shafts and missiles capable of penetrating through these shafts inside. Yes, and the museum itself is haunted, turned over by all the intelligence services of the world, and believe me, everyone knows about it, and more than ours and the employees of the rarity itself. And the word is economically, refers to the senselessness in practical terms to expand and deepen the fairway, in addition, and to raise up the vaults (the costs do not justify the tasks). The modern dimensions of the boats have changed a lot.
          1. +3
            3 June 2014 11: 20
            Have you read anything about ventilation shafts and missiles capable of penetrating through these shafts inside.
            Yeah. And they even saw it. In Star Wars, episode 4. Luke Skywalker there great gave the Death Star through ventilation.
            wassat
      8. +4
        2 June 2014 04: 34
        a non-moving target is any port and it is much easier to bomb it than a reinforced concrete object underground! without cover air defense any object target !!
      9. +4
        2 June 2014 11: 40
        According to experts, the balaclava will now be a fixed target with a bunch of diesel submarines.
        Any motionless or sedentary military object on our planet is and will be a target.
        The potential adversary was prompted by the presence of high-precision weapons (which easily penetrate the base even bypassing the entrance target), in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetration properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete slabs to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside.
        Is it 10 m thick in the Balaklava underground submarine base? I somehow imagined from the photographs that more. The Internet also "contemptuously lies" about some 126 meters of rock mass there. And constructively it is designed to withstand a DIRECT hit of 100 kt.
        Well, nobody canceled the improvement of the general air defense / missile defense base.
      10. +2
        2 June 2014 16: 24
        10 meters of reinforced concrete is certainly cool, but there is 100 meters of rock above the base ... and it’s unrealistic to hit the target with a rocket, it should go from the land side, from the northeast, and make a rather steep dive if you hit the entrance from the bay side and more difficult on the other hand, since there is a rather narrow passage to the bay and the entrance to the base is in one of its walls. I myself live in Sevastopol, I visit Balaklava almost every weekend, I often pass by these entrances.
        1. -3
          2 June 2014 18: 30
          Why is everyone so movingly waltzing around these 10 meters of concrete slab, who tells you all that the rockets are falling from above? This is a rocket, it can fly into the target, and she does not care how many turns there are in the bay.
          1. +1
            3 June 2014 14: 18
            You are mistaken, the rocket is not a bicycle, the flight speed is from 700 mph, and so, to get into the goal on either side, and even fly at the entrance from at least 10 meters, and not go into the water, she needs to do a maneuver with very large overloads , I do not presume to calculate, but I think under 35-40g, if not more. If you slow down to reduce overload, then I think it will fall into a tailspin, with the same maneuver. The aerodynamics of the same tomahawk, and any other AGM will not allow this, I think even such an maneuver will not work out on an airplane, except that on a light sports one, but there will be speeds of about 300 mph and there will be more maneuverability due to aerodynamics. There is a very complex relief, on all sides of the cliff, and mountains (130 meters high) and at the very base of the wall of a narrow winding passage into the bay, one target, and directly in the bay another.
      11. +2
        3 June 2014 20: 27
        You were there? What FIG precision weapon? Bypassing which goals? It does not stop to penetrate - bypassing? And how many such warheads will need to be thrown onto this mountain? Which - 10 meters. Shove your MOAB and more. GBU-28 & JDAM! The base was made in the 50s by processing drifts, in CONTINUOUS GRANITE! It is an ideal bomb shelter and caches. And it is designed to hit the bay of Sevastopol, a nuclear warhead! And she cleaned the city itself from emergency situations with such nuclear warheads, torpedoes and bombs of Ryu-5. In Crimea there is such an object, in Krasnokamenka - warehouses of the 9th Fleet Administration. And an object near the Chernorechensky reservoir! The main argument against restoration is simply the economy and the simple large-scale looting of an object. PS: before writing, can the brain be turned on? Any base or mine is a fixed target, so what? You yourself will study the matter and go to Balaklava and Inekerman, then you will beat the posts! PPS: for those who wish to be clever and challenge this issue, I can recommend, kindly, not to do this. I am from the Crimea, and was at this base, before the museum was built. And it was at the collapse of the RTBC network. We also asked to measure, even with a dosimeter, packaging under the X-64, they also have a flashlight and there are operating time standards for them, for personnel and measures for storing missiles. And even more so, my boss, when he was once the commander of this object.
    2. +1
      1 June 2014 15: 44
      Quote: MolGro
      1- restore Balaclava and make the base of small submarines

      Modern boats cannot be driven there. And restoration and remodeling to modern ones will take a lot of time and a lot of money ...
      1. +1
        1 June 2014 23: 19
        Quote: Russ69
        Modern boats cannot be driven there. And restoration and remodeling to modern ones will take a lot of time and a lot of money ...

        Why? Cupid 950 is quite, if you carefully and the malech "expand". But from the point of view of economic feasibility - a question!
    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      +10
      1 June 2014 15: 44
      Well! It's time to do things.
    4. +14
      1 June 2014 16: 07
      I am sure EVERYTHING will be HOW NEEDED ... Russia has returned to CRIMEA !!!
      1. +2
        1 June 2014 22: 03
        Quote: Armagedon
        I am sure EVERYTHING will be HOW NEEDED ... Russia has returned to CRIMEA !!!


        or did Crimea return to Russia?
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    6. +5
      1 June 2014 17: 39
      the Black Sea Fleet is finally being modernized and it will be a thunderstorm for NATO in the Black and Mediterranean Sea.
    7. +4
      1 June 2014 19: 21
      Thanks to the author, excellent professional review, on the current state of affairs at the Black Sea Fleet. I believe that soon everything will change for the better.
    8. 0
      1 June 2014 19: 21
      Thanks to the author, excellent professional review, on the current state of affairs at the Black Sea Fleet. I believe that soon everything will change for the better.
    9. +5
      2 June 2014 02: 14
      All! Close the base request Fleet pissed off crying It remains to return Sevastopol to an independent Ukraine fellow And who said that there will be little work? For years we will rake but this is ours !!!
    10. Reasonable, 2,3
      0
      2 June 2014 05: 52
      For info. What a few days? About autonomy to tell? You, Aleksadr, goof.
    11. 0
      2 June 2014 11: 28
      3- restore shore batteries

      That is yes. Although they say that in our rocket age, big guns are about nothing. But this is very controversial. Moreover, there everything can be densely covered with good air defense and missile defense.
      And the combat stability of caponiers of the main caliber from hits is in every way higher than that of any mobile installation.
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  2. +33
    1 June 2014 14: 56
    We will put our affairs with the Black Sea Fleet in order. This is not going anywhere. But the Pindocs with the Crimea and Sevastopol-bummer! and this is very good, because it changes the alignment dramatically.
  3. +3
    1 June 2014 14: 58
    Well, what will happen to the submarine base in Balaclava? is the FMF not interested in it?
    1. 0
      1 June 2014 15: 14
      have already decided, there will be a museum ...
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      2. +2
        2 June 2014 15: 17
        There is already a museum there since 2009 (I would know everything there), but some of the corridors for the submarine remained, and in very good condition. As for modern boats ... If the Los Angeles could fit there, then why does everyone think that "Varshavyanka", which is smaller, will not fit there ?? The port is protected very well - armor-piercing and vacuum ammunition is not afraid of it (the base was designed with one requirement - to withstand nuclear weapons)
    2. +1
      1 June 2014 15: 23
      Unfortunately, the base is not suitable for modern submarines, but I think you can think of something, not to disappear to such good.
      1. 0
        3 June 2014 20: 35
        You can operate there mini submarines.
    3. +7
      1 June 2014 15: 32
      There already western tourists went to hell. And politicians and ambassadors and spies. It is foolish to rebuild a base where a likely adversary knows every corner. Again, ukrov warriors who served there or simply lived nearby can, in which case, arrange dirty tricks. The base of submarines should still ensure secrecy, and what kind of secrecy is it, if thousands of tourists have passed.
      1. +2
        2 June 2014 07: 09
        Well, if she’s so covered, maybe she’ll arrange some kind of warehouse,
        in the first blow to food and ammunition they inflict in the peasant household it and a bullish member of the rope
    4. +1
      1 June 2014 15: 36
      And where else to put the boats? The very place for them!
  4. +9
    1 June 2014 15: 07
    Crimea was chopped off right away from Sevastopol! Estimate what would be happening there now .. And I think that now Yu-V is being bombed precisely from the Crimea .. (from anger and hatred) But it's not yet evening ..
    1. MG42
      +8
      1 June 2014 17: 57
      Quote: MIKHAN
      . And I think that now Yu-V is being bombed precisely because of the Crimea .. (from anger and hatred)

      Hardly. They bomb them so that the instinct of self-preservation does not break up further. And Poroshenko is in a hurry, before the inauguration, to untie his hands, like this is the previous government.
      Today, the commander of the battalion of Donbass came Semyon Semyonchenko on the Maidan to recruit new recruits to the battalion of Donbass.
      Partisan actions of DNR militias were already in the Kharkov region, several once fired at Ukrainian troops near Raisins.
  5. Blondy
    +23
    1 June 2014 15: 12
    grandfather sorry did not survive .. until the liberation and return of Sevastopol to their homeland
    1. kombat58
      +17
      1 June 2014 17: 02
      And you go down to the grave anyway. Talk to your grandfather, tell us the good news. He will be pleased
      1. Blondy
        +3
        2 June 2014 09: 04
        was there, but still sorry ... he was so worried when Crimea became abroad! he served from 1939 to 1954 .. marine)
    2. Thunderbolt
      +7
      1 June 2014 21: 17
      Quote: Blondie
      grandfather sorry did not live ..

      Yes ... it’s a pity ... and my grandfather constantly lamented over the Crimea .. on the 9th he went, reported as it should be about the liberation of the Crimean peninsula from fascist invaders.
      1. Blondy
        0
        2 June 2014 09: 05
        most importantly saw the return, it's expensive
        1. Thunderbolt
          0
          2 June 2014 21: 27
          Quote: Blondie
          most importantly saw the return, it's expensive


          Hello Margarita ... No, I didn’t see ... I reported to him at the cemetery so to speak ... He stayed in the army after the war, served in Dzhankoy for a long time, his son grew up there, my uncle, in general, Crimea is quite dear to him has always been. And in the 91st odmud.ak drank it ... like that.
  6. +6
    1 June 2014 15: 18
    We need to better study Russian sayings: “Don't open your mouth on someone else’s loaf.” And then your lips are rolled out and are now raging.
  7. +2
    1 June 2014 15: 21
    total displacement of the ship - 550 tons, cruising speed - up to 63 knots, cruising range depending on speed - from 55 to 300 miles.

    cruising range of 55 miles - is it a mistake or the ship can really go only 100 km.? this is what fuel consumption and at what speed he had to move. maybe it’s good that the Chinese bought it - now you have to put your own pipeline on each boat.
    1. +5
      1 June 2014 15: 40
      Landing ship "Zubr" (Feodosia shipbuilding company "MORE")

      CHARACTERISTICS

      Displacement, t:
      - standard 480
      - full 550-555
      Length, m 57,3
      Width, m 25,6
      Height, m ​​21,9
      Main power plant Gas turbine 5x10000 hp
      3 propellers
      Full speed, 60-63 units
      Range, miles 300-400 (unladen - 1000 miles)
      Autonomy, days 5 (1 with landing)
      Crew (officers) 27-33 (4)

      ARMAMENT:

      gun mounts Two 30-mm AK-630
      4x anti-aircraft missile system Igla (Strela-3, ammunition - 32 missiles)
      MLRS "Fire" (ammunition - 66-132 missiles)
      Landing force 3 avg. tank or 8 BMP, or 360 people

      Video with Bison and Bison:


      bastion-karpenko.narod.ru
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    3. 0
      2 June 2014 07: 15
      Well, if the speed is 63 knots, overland about 120 km \ hour. Yes, go 150-200tn in cargo + your weight, of course hawat will be mom do not cry, but 100 versts is certainly not enough
  8. +7
    1 June 2014 15: 22
    It was just luck that met us in a happy history with Crimea. And if he is ours, then now God himself ordered to put him in order, to recreate his fleet to protect the southern borders of our country.
  9. parus2nik
    +12
    1 June 2014 15: 23
    Immediately after the capture of Kiev by the pro-American junta, the Ukrainian media was full of articles predicting the death of the Black Sea Fleet.
    And they were right, because the Constitution of Ukraine does not provide for the presence of foreign bases on its territory, but there was a temporary amendment that allowed this situation, and was valid until 2017 ... Therefore, even before the events in Kiev, immediately after the signing of the Kharkov agreements , the Russian government took measures to transfer the Black Sea Fleet to Novorossiysk, and transfer the entire trade turnover of the trading port of Novorossiysk to new ports, which should be built on the Taman Peninsula as well by 2017. But, the United States wanted early We’ll get a naval base in Sevastopol .. they’ve made a coup in Kiev ... By the way, one project of a commercial port on the Taman Peninsula passed a state examination .. When we start building, I don’t know .. And whether it will be at all .. everything depends on further development events in Ukraine, if the situation develops, let's say that Odessa will become part of the NFR, we probably will not build it ... If not, then construction will begin in order to completely divert the cargo flow of Russian goods from Odessa .. For example, export is going through Odessa Russian ammonia .. We wanted it in 2003. per beat them, and started on the Taman Peninsula ammonia terminal building, but soon priostanovili..poshli to meet Ukraine ..
  10. +2
    1 June 2014 15: 28
    Kerch needs to be written off, it’s stupid to spend money on restoration, there are no prospects, there isn’t the last of the project.
    1. kombat58
      +3
      1 June 2014 17: 11
      Chic was the project. Nice! Sorry for the latter. Maybe a museum after all. I terribly regret that they cut the cruiser 68 project.
      1. +3
        1 June 2014 23: 39
        Quote: kombat58
        I terribly regret that they cut the cruiser 68 project.
        Go to Novorossiysk, where "M. Kutuzov" works as a museum. He is the last one.
  11. +3
    1 June 2014 15: 44
    The isthmus is shot through both from the Crimea and Voronezh. Engels airbase takes out the Tu-22mi without refueling. Dill .. It’s utopia .. Valtsman is back to his historical homeland, let him enter into a family alliance with blonde Yulia and both will enter the kibbutz
  12. +10
    1 June 2014 15: 51
    Well, Shirokorad, although a respected author, is not entirely competent in matters of the fleet, to put it mildly, although the information is informative. What catches your eye: on the "Kerch" BOD, such as a category 2 reserve, a crew of 25-30 people. Such a crew, only to write off the ship. If, as he informs, the ship was in the parade line (with dismantled weapons!) On May 9th, then this is nonsense. Most likely, the ship was removed from the PG, and the crew is full. The most that is closer to the truth, they unloaded the ammunition, pending dock or subsequent repairs.
    According to "Ochakov": there is a long history, it cannot be compared with "Kerch". It has been planned for renovation and modernization since Soviet times. Weapons were dismantled, troubleshooting and dismantling of ship systems were carried out, then, due to known reasons, everything hung. As a result, for twenty years the ship was waiting for the long-awaited repair, even supposedly something was done on it (or maybe the money was simply mastered) and came to, if I may say so, a glorious ending: by flooding, the Ukrops ships from Donuzlav were blocked by flooding.
  13. +4
    1 June 2014 15: 56
    Yes, in the Crimea the field is not plowed. And of course you need to put the newest there. For really all the Black Sea is for ... we hold.
  14. +9
    1 June 2014 16: 02
    Crimea, Lake Donuzlav, the village of Novoozernoye (in Soviet times, there was the only base in Crimea for a small air-cushion landing craft):

  15. +6
    1 June 2014 16: 06
    About Sevastopol during the Crimean War they said:

    "Sevastopol is the key to the Crimea. Crimea is the key to the Black Sea."

    So we’ll build modern bases there, deploy air defense and strategic airfields at the fear of adversary. Cover the South of Russia!
  16. dmitrij.blyuz
    +17
    1 June 2014 16: 07
    And yet! Sevastopol!
    1. +1
      1 June 2014 16: 43
      Sincerely.Thank you!
  17. +3
    1 June 2014 16: 14
    I have no doubt that the optimization of the structure and the strengthening of the combat power of the Russian Black Sea Fleet will be successfully carried out. A little patience, because they stung longer than the return of the main naval base on the southern borders.
  18. +4
    1 June 2014 16: 42
    Quote: Armagedon
    I am sure EVERYTHING will be HOW NEEDED ... Russia has returned to CRIMEA !!!


    Or Crimea to Russia?
  19. +6
    1 June 2014 16: 43
    Yes, the "maneuver" with the Crimea is very useful in operational-tactical and strategic terms. The main thing now is to "develop the initiative" for the complete restoration of the entire system: the fleet, aviation, air defense, coastal defense and all that is needed. Not to turn everything into another long-term construction with a "cut" and "care" about gambling zones.
  20. +5
    1 June 2014 16: 43
    The historical base of the Russian fleet, in addition to Crimea, is in its proper place, the Black (Varyazhskoye) sea is controlled together with Mediterranean and other Romanians, as it should be historically, Russia is returning to its historical circles. Everything else will follow, plus article, MolGro for visual aids too, thanks.
    1. avt
      +5
      1 June 2014 17: 32
      Quote: Semenov
      Black (Varyazhskoe) sea

      what No. Your will, the Black Sea, in fact, Pontus Euxinus {inhospitable for the Greeks}, has always been Russian, but the Baltic - Varyazhsky
    2. +2
      1 June 2014 22: 16
      Well, Varyazhskoe, that is, the Baltic, we’ll recapture a bit later. And Russian, that is Black, we will not give it to anyone else soldier
  21. +4
    1 June 2014 16: 48
    In RUSSIA the whole country is glad that CRIMEA and SEVASTOPOL have returned to RUSSIA. In SEVASTOPOL and CRIMEA, we will build and modernize everything we need. I think for this you can not worry. good drinks soldier
    1. +12
      1 June 2014 19: 00
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      In RUSSIA the whole country is glad that CRIMEA and SEVASTOPOL have returned to RUSSIA. In SEVASTOPOL and CRIMEA, we will build and modernize everything we need. I think for this you can not worry. good drinks soldier

      A woman yaga against:
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  22. +15
    1 June 2014 17: 08
    RUSSIA is not obliged to make excuses for the deployment of military bases in its territory !!! And the cries of Pindo owls and their sixes, let them hoarse !!! BLACK SEA Navy BE !!! drinks drinks drinks soldier
    1. +9
      1 June 2014 17: 28
      By and large, Russia should not make excuses to anyone at all. And to do what he sees fit.
      Of course, there are formal international agreements that must be respected. But nothing more! Everything else - mouth closed, gentlemen!
      Moreover, if you compile a rating of confidence in the country on the principle of compliance with international treaties, then Russia - in the first place. All her actions are based on international law.
      Unlike the United States and its many sixes.
  23. +8
    1 June 2014 17: 22
    For twenty-three years Ukraine has turned from an equal fraternal republic into the worst enemy of Russia, but we still pity them, we don’t turn off the gas, we don’t ask for debts. What kind of pig you need to be in order not to understand this.
  24. +3
    1 June 2014 17: 26
    Yes, the modernization of the base of the m fleet is now of paramount importance, as is the attraction of the population to our side
  25. talnax7
    +7
    1 June 2014 18: 21
    The main thing in Crimea is that our effective managers do not come there (they will not be mentioned by night) They say that if you don’t draw a ring of reason, they won’t pass PS dear Crimeans do not repeat our mistakes fate gave you a chance to start from scratch
  26. +5
    1 June 2014 18: 26
    Juborg
    in addition, the adversary has rockets with concrete penetrating properties, with the ability to penetrate concrete reinforced concrete floors to a depth of 10 meters and explode already inside. [/ quote]
    Any base on the shore, anywhere, including the American one, is a stationary target. An existing shelter, even with a thickness of 10 meters, is better than nothing! Instead of building something again, maybe it makes sense to increase the thickness of the concrete floors to 20 meters or more? Or does someone urgently need to get and "use" billions to build a new base?
    1. +2
      1 June 2014 23: 59
      Quote: Goldmitro
      maybe it makes sense to increase the thickness of concrete floors to 20 and more than meters?

      Mount Tavros is 125 meters above K825. Well, where else !?
      This base was built for 8 years in order to withstand a direct hit from nuclear warheads with a capacity of 100 Kt. What "concrete-piercing" ammunition is there to talk about?
  27. +13
    1 June 2014 18: 37
    A little off topic, but funny (typical for all Svidomo). Their latest arguments in controversy are:

    Regarding debilitation, there is an example from communication on the network:

    Two people I and Taras from Lviv .. I quote further without, date and time of answers ..
    I: - What the hell is the Holodomor?
    Taras: - Yes, such that yours did!
    I: - Tell me more that you came to you in Lviv and ate your children!
    Taras: - Yes, we have half of the city starved to death! And who didn’t die, they left for the forests, to be saved from your Stalinoids!
    me: - Taras, you?
    Taras: - It's you. and here the old men tell us how all Lvivism ate the bark!
    me: - Taras you!
    Taras: - It's you!
    Me: - Taras. you . in the year 33 Lviv was in Poland.
    Silence for two days, then:
    Taras: - Go to dupu khvoyda! "
    1. Thunderbolt
      +5
      1 June 2014 21: 27
      Quote: STEALS
      Their latest arguments in controversy are:

      What's this! I now have a colleague at work, the former "dill" ran away from Zhitomir 2 months ago ... All insanity is necessary to write sheets of 3 A4, I just want to say that I was shocked how the youth propaganda in schools powdered the brain, such nonsense carries. But he came to us because "There is nothing to catch there."
      Nothing, we will set his brain to him soon. soldier
  28. +3
    1 June 2014 19: 01
    Oh, sorry Nikolaev is not in the Crimea. The climate is suitable, it would not hinder the possibility of laying ships of such thousands under 80 ... Dreams, dreams ...
    1. +3
      1 June 2014 20: 13
      Kerch. Shipbuilding Plant Zaliv JSC.

      http://www.zaliv.com/graving-dock-and-building-berths
      1. Gad
        +4
        1 June 2014 22: 34
        absolutely agree. and the author unfortunately does not know that Sevmorzavod is not the largest shipbuilding plant in Crimea, but its flagship, Zaliv Plant with its unique dry dock and portal cranes.
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  29. +6
    1 June 2014 19: 11
    In Sevastopol everything should be ready for defense, as in the 1941 year, so that the mattresses do not take us by surprise, because after their Crimean fiasco, they will definitely want to spoil us.
  30. Palych9999
    +7
    1 June 2014 20: 24
    I do not think that it will be possible to quickly make a MODERN BASE out of Crimea (berths, repairs, coastal defenses, strike airfields, etc.), everything else that we have been building on the "mainland of the Russian Federation" has been building for a long time and slowly and successfully ...
    Yes, the first of 6 (8?) Submarines to "Alrosa" were supposed to join in 2013, until 2015 the entire "brood" was planned, but ...
    Yes, and modern "surface watermen" are all included in the lists.
    Slowly building a fleet, VERY SLOW ...
    The salary should be doubled not for the deputies and "aipeds", but for the shipbuilders, and it is high time to switch to the hard mode of the shipyards (like "half a day"), otherwise it will be too late ...
  31. +2
    1 June 2014 20: 51
    Thanks to the author. I learned a lot of interesting things. Regarding the transfer of military equipment to Ukraine, this must be stopped. The reason is the termination of the [artificial] interaction of the defense industry of our countries.
  32. 0
    1 June 2014 21: 51
    The return of Crimea to Russia is crucial in essence. And the fleet is a gain.
  33. +1
    1 June 2014 22: 25
    A few comments to the article. From the fact that gazed:

    According to some media reports, the second Su-24 was equipped with the Khibiny KS418E radar system. After the inclusion of this complex, all American air defense and missile defense systems lost their purpose and temporarily failed.

    If Shirokorad is positioned as a "well-known specialist in the field ...", then he should not have written such a thing.

    By the way, until 1991 5 regiments of long-range missile-bearing long-range aviation of the Black Sea Fleet, capable of hitting any target in the Mediterranean Sea, North Africa, Southern Europe and the Middle East, were based at first-class Crimean airfields.

    If Shirokorad considers himself a historian, then before writing this, he would have to inquire about the composition of the sea missile-carrying aviation of the USSR Chess Federation ... Compare the distance from the "first-class airfields of the Crimea" to, for example, the Gibraltar base in the Mediterranean with the combat radius of Soviet bombers- Shirokorad's missile carriers apparently seemed redundant.

    And now intensive work is underway to restore a large airfield in the Guards, where long-range naval aviation was based until 1991. There they are preparing for the meeting of the Tu-22M3, nicknamed the "ship killers."

    Gvardeiskoye airfield is operational; the 7057th naval aviation base of the Russian Navy is deployed on it. Therefore, it would be very interesting to know what is being restored there and with what intensity?
    1. Spstas1
      0
      3 June 2014 21: 47
      Shirokorad's professionalism was always perplexing. And his "profound judgments" are sometimes just dumbfounded. Sevmorzavod is the largest shipbuilding plant in Crimea ... From which tree did the author crash?
  34. 0
    1 June 2014 22: 36
    a fox is sneaking to the bamboo !!!
  35. +1
    2 June 2014 00: 41
    Measures to upgrade warships and coastal infrastructure, and they certainly need to be carried out, take time. The fastest and most effective is the buildup of an aviation group and a solid cover of the peninsula with air defense and missile defense systems. Then Russia will be able to hold the entire Mediterranean basin for egg ..., sorry, for tonsils.
  36. Demon0n
    0
    2 June 2014 01: 14
    In fact, from time immemorial, the main objective of such objects was to ensure covert activities, and not a concrete slab of a bomb shelter. Protecting an object from direct hits of ammunition is certainly good (and no, I do not agree with experts in assessing security and rationality), but it is much more important to make reconnaissance activities as difficult as possible for a potential enemy.
  37. melnik
    0
    2 June 2014 01: 34
    What’s the site, where is the news?
  38. +1
    2 June 2014 05: 46
    Is Kiev really starting to wake up. The first swallow. On May 31 in Kiev, a rally was held in front of the EU building, under the slogan.

    "Kolomoisky bloody -" down with the Dnipropetrovsk kaganate! "- a rally in Kiev against the civil war.
    Kiev, May 31 - A picket took place at the European Union office in Kiev, the participants of which demanded an end to the civil war.
    An EU funeral procession approached the EU mission, led by three coffins, where, according to the inscriptions, the Geneva Agreements, "peace" and "people's safety" rested. All this, according to the protesters, is already absent in Ukraine.
    The main demand of the rally participants is to ensure the implementation of the Geneva agreements signed by representatives of the EU, the USA, Russia and Ukraine. In particular, it will focus on the immediate cessation of hostilities, the investigation of the facts of the death of people, as well as the legal assessment of the actions of military units taking part from both sides of the conflict. "
    http://www.politnavigator.net/kolomojjskijj-krovavyjj-dolojj-dnepropetrovskijj-k
    aganat-miting-v-kieve-protiv-grazhdanskojj-vojjny-foto-video.html
  39. +3
    2 June 2014 07: 41
    By the way, he put an avatar of polite people on one forum, so the residents of Ukraine began to take revenge for the Crimea. Put cons in the profile. laughing
  40. -1
    2 June 2014 11: 44
    Quote: WD Chauvinist
    Measures to upgrade warships and coastal infrastructure, and they certainly need to be carried out, take time. The fastest and most effective is the buildup of an aviation group and a solid cover of the peninsula with air defense and missile defense systems. Then Russia will be able to hold the entire Mediterranean basin for egg ..., sorry, for tonsils.

    And all the same it will not be able, Crimea is suitable only for controlling the Black Sea water area and the coastline. It is not suitable for operations in the Mediterranean region, because it is separated from this theater by the air defense regions of Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, etc. NATO countries, where the passage of military aircraft is prohibited. In wartime, aviation from Crimea is easily blocked in the same areas. But this air defense really needs to go broke, and this is "+". It is necessary to assess adequately the importance of Crimea. His reunification greatly strengthened the country's defenses, strengthened control over the Black Sea, but nothing more. And the importance of the Black Sea Fleet should not be overestimated given the capabilities of modern aviation, it comes to the fore (in fact, it came out during WWII). The fleet is left with specific operations such as landings, trade violations, escorting, etc., but not control over the water area of ​​the World Cup.
    1. orthopedist
      0
      2 June 2014 18: 02
      Well, so aviation and will be based in Crimea
  41. 0
    2 June 2014 18: 01
    The author forgot to mention about the Kerch plant "Zaliv", which built ships pr. 1135
  42. +1
    2 June 2014 21: 52
    There is another interesting object, until 91 years old it was at the level of 90% readiness.
    Command post of the Black Sea Fleet.
    I watched a video about the excursion from the inside, a landmark building.
    Short article about the object
    http://family-travel.crimea.ru/Pamjatniki/221/221.html
    And here is a video from a visit, who will be interested. The author does not speak badly, although he lisps a little, I recommend.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2uN8zJnoNk
  43. raf
    +1
    2 June 2014 22: 46
    Nothing, the main thing is the Crimea again with us, and everything else is profitable. It’s good that dill didn’t do much harm everywhere, it’s worthless. What all the same harmful people. Slavs damn it!
  44. 0
    3 June 2014 10: 48
    Quote: gloria45
    “The second battalion of the National Guard of Ukraine, formed from Maidan’s self-defense fighters, took up military posts around Slavyansk,” Parubiy wrote on his Facebook page on Sunday.
    so the first battalion was not sour
  45. 0
    3 June 2014 13: 12
    Quote: Evgeniy31
    By the way, he put an avatar of polite people on one forum, so the residents of Ukraine began to take revenge for the Crimea. Put cons in the profile. laughing

    it’s good that they have not yet begun to ask for a discount on gas hi
  46. 0
    3 June 2014 13: 21
    In Novorossiysk, for a number of reasons, only temporary anchorage of warships is possible.
    But the commander of the Black Sea Fleet in a recent interview said that the base in Novorossiysk - you can’t imagine any better ...
    Question - who to believe ???? Who is misleading ???? Who is the weak link ????? The author of the article or the fleet commander ?????? To put it mildly, more precisely speaking, from whose lips a lie ??????
  47. 0
    3 June 2014 17: 25
    It will not be possible to build surface ships for the Black Sea Fleet quickly in 2-3 years. There is no shipbuilding capacity, no equipment, and, banally, specialists. But land-based missile systems a la Iskander and the latest air defense systems are quite. The example of "Bastion" shows that the Black Sea is also blocked from the coast.
  48. +1
    3 June 2014 21: 08
    There are many facts and interesting things about our Crimea. I am writing this as a person who has worked in the structure of the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet for 21 years. True, the data was collected somewhat chaotic and biased, I think the author was not, in the Crimea not a single time and only used a selection of information from the Internet. So the village of Donuzlav, with its unique airfield and base of border guards, is not mentioned at all. Not mentioned: the object in the village of Shkolnoye and the object of the East Kazakhstan region in the village of Molochnoe, Saki district. They are also strategic defense facilities almost plundered by Ukraine. And sawn off. Not mentioned: the strategic Kirov Research Center for Ukraine! Airfields in the village of Mamut, Dzhakoysky district, the village of Bedbek, the city of Sevastopol, the village of Oktyabrskoye and a powerful strip (though with a chicken coop in the middle) of the village of Veseloe. And the polygons on the Lebyazhy Islands? And what about the Opuk historical training ground? Forgot that if now the fleet of amers would have been in the Crimea with a cannon from the 2nd World War, you could get it to Anapa? PS: There were only 4 missile regiments! And in Saki, Guards, Oktyabrsky and Vesely. PPPS: according to my information, the basing of heavy supersonic missile carriers at the Gvardeiskoe airfield is not planned! For Tu-142 - the strip, narrowish, was at TU-4, 80th, and after lengthening to 3200m. the seed was rolled up. asphalt, up to a width of 60m. + spare unpaved lane in parallel. The Tu-22M3 pilots did not like the runway and is located too close to the town and the Simferopol-Krasno-Perekopsk highway. And the starting corridor will coincide with the airport and go over the strip of the Simferopol airport and the Simferopol - Saki highway! So we are waiting for the Army Air Force there.
  49. 0
    3 June 2014 21: 11
    Bullshit that banderlogs would so easily have taken the base in Sevastopol and other Crimean towns and cities.
  50. 0
    4 June 2014 15: 00
    It’s not bad that Odessa and Odessa oblast are given to us. There are 4 huge ports. Odessa, Ilichevsk and Grigoryevka ... were built by the whole union. Then Taman would not be needed and money could be spent on arranging the Sevastopol economy .......

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