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Russia again pushes back the "final" date of payment for gas for Ukraine

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Another round of protracted negotiations on the payment of Ukrainian debt for Russian gas continues. The Russian side declares that it intends to expect payment of the debt before the end of the current week, in fact, extending the term for another couple of days. It is noted that this is the last "act of goodwill" on the part of Russia. And if Ukraine does not appreciate this step, gas supplies to Kiev can be completely stopped.


Russia again pushes back the "final" date of payment for gas for Ukraine


Before that, it was reported that the "final" payment term - Friday 30 May.

Newspaper "News" reports that in parallel with the trilateral Russian-Ukrainian-European negotiations on the payment of Ukrainian debt, Moscow is conducting bilateral negotiations with the European Commission. Moscow still hopes that Brussels will affect Kiev, and Ukraine will begin to pay off its more than substantial "gas" debts.

According to experts of Gazprom, the total value of Ukraine’s debt to Russia for gas is about 3,5 billion dollars. At the same time, today we are talking about the possibility of a kind of debt restructuring for Kiev: 2 billion. Ukraine pays until the end of May, about 500 million more - until June 7. It is on June 7 in Kiev that the inauguration of an extraordinary president, Petro Poroshenko, is scheduled.

Ukraine itself recognizes only $ 2,237 billion of its own debt to Gazprom, considering that up to 3,5 billion, the debt has grown illegally.

Recall that yesterday Petro Poroshenko saidthat Ukraine refuses to buy Russian gas at a price of "500 dollars."
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  1. Gxash
    Gxash 30 May 2014 15: 59
    +130
    This is our last 150 million "Chinese" warning!
    Maybe enough take off flick? Or self-esteem is over?
    1. Andrenaline
      Andrenaline 30 May 2014 16: 03
      +7
      That’s enough, of course, BUT it’s not so simple to close-open valves on such a large flow. This is not economically profitable for us and technically not so simple as it seems to us. So they are trying to somehow agree already, we, too, are not stupid, and they are calculating everything. hi
      1. Gxash
        Gxash 30 May 2014 16: 11
        +11
        Not - not about that speech. No one will completely close the pipe. Limit the supply of blue fuel to exactly the level of this fuel required by Europe, which pays for gas normally. The counter at the "exit" is - bribes from us are smooth.
        1. northern
          northern 30 May 2014 17: 10
          +2
          The Russian Federation is responsible for the amount of gas supplied at the border of the European Union.
          1. Gxash
            Gxash 30 May 2014 19: 43
            +2
            Well, if so - put our checkpoints and guards along the entire gas pipeline. We have the right to control our gas and ensure that it comes safe and sound to the buyer.
        2. Grishka cat
          Grishka cat 30 May 2014 23: 55
          +1
          This has already happened. And the pressure was reduced, and the flow rate was reduced. Remember yourself!
      2. arch_kate3
        arch_kate3 30 May 2014 16: 17
        +8
        Unfortunately, not everyone is counting, and there are a lot of fools sitting on the ground ...
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 30 May 2014 17: 12
          -23%
          Fools are fools. And now Russia owes Ukraine 1 billion dollars.
          It's like a blind man talking to a deaf. Russia should return to $ 268. Then Ukraine will probably think - pay - not pay.
          1. northern
            northern 30 May 2014 17: 29
            +5
            this is what the fright of the Russian Federation is something there should Ukraine, decipher?
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 30 May 2014 17: 33
              +2
              Quote: north
              this is what the fright of the Russian Federation is something there should Ukraine, decipher?


              This is not what I say, they claim it. On TV in the evening in RUSSIA 24.
              1. AleksUkr
                AleksUkr 30 May 2014 17: 52
                +3
                Arseniy Yatsenyuk demands from Russia to pay 1 billion dollars for 2 billion cubic meters of Ukrainian gas, which was located in the Chernomorneftegaz gas storage facilities, Gazeta.ru writes. “We want to hear a response from Russia, including on the issue of returning 2,2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine,” Yatsenyuk said, adding that this is Chernomorneftegaz, which is located in Crimea. "This is in the prices of the Russian Gazprom - $ 1 billion," he said.
          2. northern
            northern 30 May 2014 17: 30
            0
            What is the Russian Federation owing to Ukraine, well, explain?
            1. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 30 May 2014 17: 45
              +7
              and. about. Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that this is Russia delaying negotiations on the return of gas debts, and threatened Moscow with an international lawsuit. The Ukrainian prime minister recalled all the political and economic differences that had accumulated between the countries: from the referendum on the reunification of Russia and Crimea to the gas storages remaining on the peninsula. According to Yatsenyuk, Kiev may bill Moscow hundreds of billions of dollars.

              Read more on NTV.Ru: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/995076/#ixzz33Cr2jsYd
              1. Cherdak
                Cherdak 30 May 2014 17: 49
                +1
                Quote: AleksUkr
                Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that Russia is delaying negotiations on the return of gas debts


                Alexander Borisovich, like an adult, and all believe in fairy tales repeat
                1. AleksUkr
                  AleksUkr 30 May 2014 18: 12
                  +11
                  Quote: Cherdak
                  and all believe in fairy tales


                  You are deeply mistaken. I absolutely do not believe in these tales. I simply quoted the statements of the authorities of Ukraine. But as I was once again convinced, the people do not want to understand this. They just stupidly look at the text without any analysis. Hence the mass of MINUSES.
                  But I'm even glad about it. There are still patriots in Russia !!!!!
                  1. northern
                    northern 30 May 2014 18: 44
                    +1
                    Do not read Ukrainian newspapers in the morning :-)
                  2. Cherdak
                    Cherdak 30 May 2014 19: 54
                    +3
                    Quote: AleksUkr
                    Hence the mass of MINUSES. But I'm even glad about it. There are still patriots in Russia !!!!!

                    Here are a few more pluses.
                    But do not provoke. And then they will hang lyuley until they figure out your subtle humor.
                  3. avia1991
                    avia1991 30 May 2014 20: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: AleksUkr
                    people do not want to understand this. They just stupidly look at the text without any analysis. Hence the mass of MINUSES.

                    You expressed yourself very slurred: your own position was not visible. I repent - also slashed request
                    I read and looked about these insinuations, but I don’t understand why did they decide that we owe them something ?! Crimea - Russian - and Russian gas. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? fool
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 30 May 2014 23: 08
                      +4
                      Quote: avia1991
                      why did they decide that we owe them something ?!


                      With the fact that we behave like ..... prostitutes and even more so .. cheap !!! soldier
                2. gav6757
                  gav6757 31 May 2014 00: 42
                  +3
                  But how would you not have to believe ... What is the first time, or something, our rulers include the back?
                  Otherwise, explain why the payment time is postponed? And yet, someone doubts that Gazprom will make a discount and write off part of the debt?
                  I bet you will soon see who doesn’t believe yet !!!
                  This is with us, if my grandmother did not pay on time, then she will be kicked out of the apartment, and for what money, I want to ask?
                  And here - they will agree, believe me !!!
            2. AleksUkr
              AleksUkr 30 May 2014 17: 58
              +3
              Quote: north
              What is the Russian Federation owing to Ukraine, well, explain?



              Arseniy Yatsenyuk demands from Russia to pay 1 billion dollars for 2 billion cubic meters of Ukrainian gas, which was located in the Chernomorneftegaz gas storage facilities, Gazeta.ru writes. “We want to hear a response from Russia, including on the issue of returning 2,2 billion cubic meters of gas to Ukraine,” Yatsenyuk said, adding that this is Chernomorneftegaz, which is located in Crimea. "This is in the prices of the Russian Gazprom - $ 1 billion," he said.
            3. zanoza
              zanoza 30 May 2014 18: 00
              +1
              I'm interested in this question. Ukraine pays Poland, Hungary for the delivered gas, like some supplies have already been made?
              Slovakia is eager to share gas purchased from us with Ukraine.
              And all this against the background of the collapse of the Ukrainian economy and its lack of money.
              Or here the principle: "To harm the enemy (Russia)," we will bet, and wait for the money ... for political reasons and at the request of the "big overseas brother."
              Someone may explain how things are with the payment.
              1. northern
                northern 30 May 2014 18: 47
                +3
                Slovakia seems to have sent ukrov to distant forests for gas
                1. _my opinion
                  _my opinion 30 May 2014 19: 30
                  +2
                  Regarding Slovakia, Ukrainians concluded an agreement only on transit gas. Those. There is a contract for the use of a gas pipe. lol But who will sell them gas for this pipe is a big question. laughing I believe this was done so that the Maydan continued to ride in anticipation of a brighter future.
                  1. northern
                    northern 31 May 2014 03: 10
                    0
                    so that the Maydan continued to ride, such high-profile contracts are not necessary. just say a couple of times about it on ukrotv and wave a pack of hryvnia in front of your nose. Everything else has already been done in advance. The electorate is prepared and zombified.
            4. VAF
              VAF 30 May 2014 23: 03
              +3
              Quote: north
              What is the Russian Federation owing to Ukraine, well, explain?


              And you Vladimir Vladimirovich ask this question .. WHY !!!! And so the fist on the table is about our .. public property wassat
              Or do you naively think that this is everything and everyone is "invented" by Miller and Novak lol (almost like about Taburetkin ... he came and "reformed" himself .. "thanks" to the tie-eater .. for "stopped" !!!! soldier
          3. Djein
            Djein 30 May 2014 17: 58
            +2
            [quote = AleksUkr] It's like a blind man talking to a deaf .....

            The disadvantages that you put to him speak about you ......... What a hypocritical rottenness you are ...... Only our great "smart guys" could create such a debt ... and give the opportunity to mock themselves like that .. ..........
          4. Djein
            Djein 30 May 2014 17: 58
            -1
            [quote = AleksUkr] It's like a blind man talking to a deaf .....

            The disadvantages that you put to him speak about you ......... What a hypocritical rottenness you are ...... Only our great "smart guys" could create such a debt ... and give the opportunity to mock themselves like that .. ..........
            1. sborka
              sborka 30 May 2014 20: 10
              0
              no rudeness ... Just some did not understand the jokes, and all
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          6. Sid.74
            Sid.74 30 May 2014 19: 01
            +3
            Quote: AleksUkr
            And now Russia owes Ukraine 1 billion dollars.

            Gee-gee-gee! Masterpiece ... What teachers in the person of the USA, such and students in the person of Ukraine!

            One of the most honest people in that country, a respected person and just a good Ukrainian, D. Firtash enriched Arseniy Krolikovich with ideas. fellow

            "I would like to give the Ukrainian prime minister advice - to put Putin his condition: return Crimea to us, and we will pay the debt for gas. If Russia closes the valve, it will automatically take away its income in the amount of $ 300 billion a year. We do not mind paying But our territory was taken away. Now, if you take away my house, should I continue to pay for electricity and gas? " - said Firtash.

            But what amount of these nonsense will be voiced if we take away Donbass and Lugansk? what
            1. gav6757
              gav6757 31 May 2014 00: 50
              +2
              It would be worth taking all of Ukraine, and then decide what and how!
              But our "eggheads" will negotiate with such Firtash, and then they will also make a discount!
              And this is despite its loud statements !!!
          7. sborka
            sborka 30 May 2014 20: 07
            +2
            surprisingly, are there really so many people (minusers) who do not understand sarcasm? ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 30 May 2014 23: 19
              +2
              Quote: sborka
              , are there really so many people (those who were minus), didn’t understand sarcasm? ..


              +! And only as advice ... to watch again the movie masterpiece "Kin-dza-dza" love
          8. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 31 May 2014 05: 14
            +2
            They blamed the man for nothing, but he just quoted what ukroSMI write, just for example.
            What a stupid habit of "executing a messenger for bad news"? We don't know how to analyze information anymore? negative
            People - read carefully, and turn on the brain!
      3. smile
        smile 30 May 2014 16: 24
        +15
        Andrenaline
        I agree. It is worth mentioning that work is still ongoing with the Europeans, so that they themselves put pressure on Kiev, hamper his intentions to spray gas supplied to Europe. A week back and forth will not do the weather. In any case, Ukraine will not be able to buy gas at any price, since it does not have money and is not able to earn. And our export to Europe should be protected by our efforts together with the Europeans, since this is in our mutual interests. Stopping supplies to Europe will be beneficial only to the United States.
        1. Andrenaline
          Andrenaline 30 May 2014 16: 39
          +1
          Exactly hi
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 30 May 2014 17: 29
          0
          Vova! It seems to me that the point here is not in Ukraine at all. Her sooner or later bent on the headstock. But it seems to me that you noted:
          Quote: smile
          It is worth mentioning that work with Europeans is still ongoing

          And about the postponement of the term, it’s so ... A screen. Well, besides, Ukraine was given more time to do stupid things.
        3. Hyppopotut
          Hyppopotut 30 May 2014 18: 05
          +6
          With all this, the northern stream is only half loaded. Running it at full power is prevented by the geyrop, since then dill will lose in transit. And for me - the more dill and geyropeytsy lose - the faster they will come to enlightenment in the brain!
        4. Keeper
          Keeper 30 May 2014 18: 26
          -1
          The thing is that it would seem an idiotic association - it is very bad for Ukraine, but the paradox, it is with this tool that the EU is trying to secure the passage of its gas through Ukraine! That sounds silly, but true!

          As for a couple of days - until the faucet is tightened - you will not start boiling!
          The faster this happens, the faster the movement will begin in other directions!
          It seems to me that now the VVP team is arranging pieces on the chessboard to teach the backpacks in Ukraine and the USA a lesson!
          Already my hands are itching - I want to see the next series ... Here are simple people just very sorry! After all, they are not to blame for anything - not the actors of this theater, and their blood is real, not ketchup ((((
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 30 May 2014 19: 58
          0
          Quote: smile
          work is in progress with Europeans so that they themselves put pressure on Kiev, hamper his intentions to spray gas

          At such a pace, a counter will soon be set on each burner:
          threw the hryvnia - boil yourself eggs in a bag laughing
      4. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 30 May 2014 16: 24
        +7
        KIEV, May 30 - RIA Novosti. Additional capitalization of the national joint-stock company Naftogaz of Ukraine by UAH 22 billion ($ 1,8 billion) held to pay the undisputed portion of the debt for Russian gas, said on Friday the director of the department of local budgets of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine Sergey Makatsaria.
        On May 29, the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine decided to increase the authorized capital of Naftogaz by 22,27 billion hryvnia through an additional issue of shares while maintaining 100% of the securities in state ownership.

        "Having received the money, NJSC Naftogaz will buy dollars and buy gas. Debt in 2,2 billion dollars government recognizes", - quotes the representative of the Ministry of Finance Ukrainian news agency UNIAN.

        RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140530/1010024122.html#ixzz33CXGzD52
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 16: 29
          +12
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Government recognizes $ 2,2 billion debt "

          Yes, only four should already. They calculated the price of gas at 268 and recognized 2.2 billion. There are such archeologists in Ukraine.
      5. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 30 May 2014 16: 27
        +16
        People! Everything is clear here!
      6. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 16: 27
        +9
        Quote: Andrenaline
        That’s enough, of course, BUT it’s not so simple to close-open valves on such a large flow.

        When it was necessary, they shut off quickly.
        1. fpgg1963
          fpgg1963 30 May 2014 16: 56
          +1
          Nothing wrong, and spin and when will be unscrewed.
          1. Makarych
            Makarych 30 May 2014 20: 31
            0
            and we’ll survive a little bit of money. Revenues are not commensurate with expenses, exceed tens of thousands of times. And so they have everything in chocolate - we don’t pay, but they still give ...
      7. Letun
        Letun 30 May 2014 16: 45
        +25
        Quote: Andrenaline
        That’s enough, of course, BUT it’s not so simple to close-open valves on such a large flow. This is not economically profitable for us and purely technically not so simple as it seems to us.

        Well, damn it! Is it economically profitable for us to supply gas for free for almost half a year? You have an interesting idea about the economy ... IMHO, gas should have been shut off immediately after the crested ones began to fill up the Crimean canal. Crimea pays - they block water; they don’t pay - we supply gas. Well this is complete nonsense, isn't it?
        1. Andrenaline
          Andrenaline 30 May 2014 17: 04
          -2
          Nobody will refund the money that will be spent on closing the valves, and he will be debt in any case. That is why it is not profitable.
          1. Makarych
            Makarych 30 May 2014 20: 33
            0
            By the principle - to whom I owe, I forgive everyone. So, dear?
          2. Letun
            Letun 30 May 2014 22: 02
            +1
            Quote: Andrenaline
            Nobody will refund the money that will be spent on closing the valves, and he will be debt in any case. That is why it is not profitable.

            What nonsense is this? What is the money spent closing valves? What are you talking about? Gas passes through Ukraine to Europe, and the vents do not overlap, but simply reduces the supply of gas to the amount equal to Ukrainian consumption. No money is needed for this. Ukraine begins to steal gas not from us, from Europe. That's all the math. Ours are still trying to play the role of a great kind brother, but to support the economy of an unfriendly state is simply silly. We support them, they kill Russians, get hurt logic!
          3. b-metro
            b-metro 31 May 2014 00: 33
            0
            If I don’t pay for gas for at least 3 months, they will stupidly cut me off. I would also like to note that when compared with last year, my heating costs increased by 20%. This winter, payments were up to 8 tr. It’s interesting not because we are distributing gas to anyone.
          4. b-metro
            b-metro 31 May 2014 00: 33
            +5
            If I don’t pay for gas for at least 3 months, they will stupidly cut me off. I would also like to note that when compared with last year, my heating costs increased by 20%. This winter, payments were up to 8 tr. It’s interesting not because we are distributing gas to anyone.
      8. VNP1958PVN
        VNP1958PVN 30 May 2014 17: 29
        +2
        But don't get on your knees and beg am
      9. Hyppopotut
        Hyppopotut 30 May 2014 17: 59
        +3
        A 3,5 LIARDS DEBT WHICH ARE NOT GOING TO RETURN, IS IT NORMAL?
        give these lardy for salaries to doctors, teachers ... There will be more sense. Yes, and enough to pay for the rearmament of the fascist army and ovskie mercenaries!
      10. woron333444
        woron333444 30 May 2014 19: 28
        +6
        the fact of the matter is that fools, Ukrainians, and in a week will not give up. Once lost, two lost, they are used to it. Need to immediately block
      11. VAF
        VAF 30 May 2014 23: 05
        +2
        Quote: Andrenaline
        This is not economically profitable for us and purely technically not so simple as we think


        A pathetic attempt by a "leavened patriot" to somehow ... justify wassat

        And to whom is it US ????? We are in the public domain .. well no side lol
      12. gav6757
        gav6757 31 May 2014 00: 35
        +1
        Technically, it’s not a complicated procedure, believe me!
        One gets the impression that at first they took a step (Crimea), and now we look - as if not to offend anyone, but better to appease ...
        AGAIN !!!
        it should be a shame to behave like this to our leadership. As grandfather LENIN used to say, "how sorry are political tutki" !!!
        Ugh!
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 30 May 2014 16: 06
      +45
      Turn off the gas. My parents will heal faster. Maybe crying
      I came home .... and, here the 5 channel is broadcasting like an altar, I do not swear with ancestors on this subject.
      And all the "Russians" damn it ...
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 30 May 2014 16: 12
        +19
        ..... Turn off the gas. Heal faster .....
        ..... Hi Nevsky ... I rarely see you ... As always to the point ....
      2. smile
        smile 30 May 2014 16: 30
        +9
        Nevsky_ZU
        Wow ... Have fun ... another tragedy - separation of families ....
        But if your parents already have a definite opinion, then they will not be cured of the fact that the Russian aggressors will turn off the gas. On the contrary, having received further clarifications on the 5 channel, they will hate Russia even more. After all, they will explain everything on TV to them in the only true, independent spirit.
        But you should not argue with parents in any case. It will not bring anything good either to you or to them. And you do not convince them by swearing anything. Only trusting relationships can help .... Let's hope ....
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 30 May 2014 16: 59
          +12
          Quote: smile
          Nevsky_ZU
          Wow ... Have fun ... another tragedy - separation of families ....
          But if your parents already have a definite opinion, then they will not be cured of the fact that the Russian aggressors will turn off the gas. On the contrary, having received further clarifications on the 5 channel, they will hate Russia even more. After all, they will explain everything on TV to them in the only true, independent spirit.
          But you should not argue with parents in any case. It will not bring anything good either to you or to them. And you do not convince them by swearing anything. Only trusting relationships can help .... Let's hope ....

          Hello Vladimir! A woman looks after my house, Natasha is from Ukraine, she has been working for five years, sends money home, supports the whole family. So a couple of weeks ago her mother called her and asks: "Well, are you going to live with your caddies?" Fine?! I almost fell off my chair! I loaded her with baskets from Moscow for five years, I was Marinochka, and now this is the same !!! And Natalia is sitting, almost crying !!!
          1. smile
            smile 30 May 2014 22: 32
            +2
            Nekarmadlen
            Good evening, Marina.
            What can I say. the amount of propaganda per capita exceeded the threshold of the sensitivity of the population and turned into quality ... then it will only increase, if nothing changes .... I fully admit that when Natasha returns home, to the Ukrainian information environment, her surroundings, that if we don’t accept us, then after a while she will understand. that Moscow’s propaganda influenced her here, putinoids were hiding the truth from her, but in fact the truth is here ... on channel 5 and in the mouths of relatives .... Most likely, Natasha will not even change her attitude towards you, Marina, but otherwise ..... I admit anything. I personally observed such metamorphoses, although not with the Ukrainians ...
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    3. Silkway0026
      Silkway0026 30 May 2014 16: 06
      +4
      Understand that our people are doing everything not only perfectly, but also in reserve, since it is clear that they will have to sue and the court will be VERY biased towards Russia
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 30 May 2014 16: 20
        +7
        Quote: Silkway0026
        that you have to sue and the court will be VERY biased towards Russia


        Why?

        The EU considers acceptable for Ukraine, 350-390 dollars per 1 thousand cubic meters, other European countries also pay so much.
        1. northern
          northern 30 May 2014 17: 32
          +3
          something new. EU sets gas prices or Gazprom?
      2. tolancop
        tolancop 30 May 2014 17: 23
        +3
        If the court is biased, then another concession will not help. They just spit on her, pretending that she was not there. And other concessions will suffer the same fate.
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    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 30 May 2014 16: 12
      +14
      The cost of the destruction of the population of the DNI and LC is about $ 3 million per day

      The authorities of the Kiev junta do not spare the budget for the massacre with former fellow citizens. Instead of peaceful democratic development and the establishment of good neighborly relations with the new people's republics, the junta invaders want to sweep away the cities and towns of Donbass and the Luhansk region from the face of the earth. With a gnashing of teeth, the leaders of the junta have thrown about $ 147 million into the hellish flames of war. About half of the city’s budget in Donetsk for the whole year has already been spent on the deaths of civilians, the destruction of houses, schools, hospitals, kindergartens, and industry.
      According to military experts, if the Kiev authorities continue to carry out a punitive operation in the DPR and LPR, using heavy weapons and aircraft, the total amount of the war, given the destruction, will increase tenfold.
      Specialists report that the 15th, 95th and 79th airmobile brigades, the 25th, 24st, 51th separate motorized rifle brigades are involved in the terrorist operation that began on April 30 of this year, against militias of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics , as well as units of the National Guard.
      According to the Russian Foreign Ministry at the end of April, the Kiev authorities concentrated in the Donbass and the Luhansk region 11 thousand troops, as well as 160 tanks, more than 230 armored personnel carriers, about 150 artillery systems and aviation. All this military equipment brings to the previously peaceful land absolutely not chocolates.
      To escalate the killings and violence by order of the State Department, the junta hawks do not have enough of the budget of a poor country. For this, a campaign was launched to raise funds from the population using SMS. As a result, the junta managed to raise an additional 122 million hryvnias ($ 10,1 million).
      In addition, the fascist oligarchs created their own punitive squads.
      The long-awaited war of the Slavs against the Slavs is actively financed by the reactionary regimes of Western countries. For the sake of this, they do not mind their printing press.
      1. northern
        northern 30 May 2014 18: 49
        0
        Fighting has always been expensive, but these guys in Kiev thought that a freebie would be there too?
    6. IFreedman
      IFreedman 30 May 2014 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: Gxash
      This is our last 150 million "Chinese" warning!
      Maybe enough take off flick? Or self-esteem is over?

      And what? PorosEnok postponed Eurobond, and Russia postponed the payment date. 1: 1 wink
    7. Blot
      Blot 30 May 2014 16: 19
      +8
      Perhaps the rating will soon decline ... Gradual, but inevitable disappointment ... Sorry ...
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 May 2014 16: 22
        +10
        Quote: Blot
        Perhaps the rating will soon decline ...

        LOOK: If Ukraine pays for its undisputed gas debt, then Russia will agree to discuss a reduction in gas prices to $ 380 per 1 cubic meters, said Ivan Grachev, chairman of the State Duma’s Energy Committee.
        Well, why, with the difference in the fencing of the dill, Gazprom banderlog rollbacks as usual! What rating is there, it makes you sick! negative
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 16: 27
      +8
      Quote: Gxash
      Maybe enough take off flicking?

      They don’t pay for half a year, but here they’ll pay. Someone here on the site told me that this is the right position on gas. We type Ukraine into a corner. Who is rubbing my bullshit on my ears, where are you?
    9. Cams
      Cams 30 May 2014 16: 39
      +3
      We are couch politicians. If the Kremlin decided this, then this is the most profitable option.
      IMHO.
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    11. armageddon
      armageddon 30 May 2014 16: 49
      +3
      Hmm ... Yes ALL already, LET DOWNLOAD ... !!!
    12. Apollo
      Apollo 30 May 2014 16: 54
      +2
      Quote: Gxash
      Maybe enough take off flick? Or self-esteem is over?

      Have you thought about Russians in Ukraine ?! In which case, if the valve is blocked and they suffer. I think that the Russian leadership was guided primarily by this circumstance.
    13. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time 30 May 2014 16: 55
      +1
      Once again, we are witnessing the victory of Russian good nature
    14. Naum
      Naum 30 May 2014 17: 04
      +7
      It is the height of cynicism - to blackmail Russia with your own debts! It is necessary to destroy the Ukropov scoundrels in international courts! It is clear to everyone - they do not want to pay their debts AT ALL. They need money for the war with the people and in their pockets-accounts in all kinds of "Switzerland". Everything is done with the filing of amerikosov, who in powerlessness just want to humiliate us.
      Tougher with the boors, tougher.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 30 May 2014 17: 35
        0
        Ukraine will do the brain until we move to the South Stream, so what is incomprehensible. Well, we won’t give them gas, so they will squeeze it out of Europe during transit and they will buy another type of reverse, and all this will be under the roof of the Americans and that and who will show them smile .
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    15. DMB3000
      DMB3000 30 May 2014 17: 41
      0
      general frost they will soon knock on his hat. cool in the summer. crawl up.
    16. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 30 May 2014 17: 44
      +2
      I did not understand, they beat ours there and they turn the cheek again, we must speak differently with them, let the sheep burn the tires.
    17. mark2
      mark2 30 May 2014 17: 48
      +5
      It will last forever! Putin must choose either he stands the Russian world or replenish the accounts of friends of the oligarchs. If the money is the main thing, then Ukraine did not have to venture and open his mouth. And if the Russian world, then we must forget about the money. Do not sit on two chairs
      The choice will be in the direction of the state - and shut up the city with a shoulder and shut the fifth column. Just need to clearly say what the leader wants. And so this is undercover fuss.
    18. starshina78
      starshina78 30 May 2014 19: 20
      +2
      How much can you endure these buggers! Something Putin has lost his ardor and is going back. Frightened or something? It has long been necessary to shut off the gas to these whores! Let them try to live without our gas!
    19. dr.star75
      dr.star75 30 May 2014 19: 48
      0
      Already wrote about this, they minus me. Now you can not block the gas. Not the time. Gazprom will pull this gimmick until the winter. Shutdown time: November-December. Now Ukraine is actively using gas, as it seems to be free, for its needs, without paying a dime, while there was information that the UGHs were not only not being filled, but were being completely emptied. Despite the fact that now gas consumption for individuals, mainly for cooking. Everything changes with the advent of cold weather in Europe: the UGS are empty, there aren’t enough gas from the piping coming from the outskirts of the gas! (Ukraine leaves a little for itself). Chilly. Nothing to drown! Who is to blame? Russia? Putin Well, we warned you back in May hi
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 30 May 2014 20: 07
        0
        Yes, ps. For its own domestic needs, Ukraine has enough of its own gas. Our gas is mainly for industrial needs. Most industrial enterprises are in the southeast. Do you catch a thought?
    20. Grandfather Victor
      Grandfather Victor 30 May 2014 20: 44
      0
      Russia has no self-esteem. Russia is ruled by the oligarchy of corrupt officials, thieves and outright traitors. You see, they will make all concessions, because they were afraid for their loot, hacked in the West. All that was, in terms of support for the south-east of Ukraine, was pure PR without miscalculating the consequences.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 30 May 2014 21: 07
        -1
        This is a superficial look. You will grow, you will understand.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 30 May 2014 22: 23
          0
          I don’t care, but argue for minusculers.
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    22. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 31 May 2014 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Gxash

      Gxash


      Yesterday, 15: 59




      This is our last 150 million "Chinese" warning! Or self respect cum

      Millers do not know what self-esteem is. They know and SEE cache. And while they hope to GET the cache, the rest (for them) doesn’t matter!
  2. zzz
    zzz 30 May 2014 15: 59
    +9
    FUCK! Damn, our government does not respect itself at all?
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 30 May 2014 16: 01
      +6
      Quote: zzz
      FUCK! Damn, our government does not respect itself at all?


      shows goodwill - this is now more important than starting a conflict

      so that Europe has no reason to blame Russia for the "energy weapon"

      Cutting off everything is easy, but the rest of the business should not suffer.

      There is no need to give trump cards to the Americans in the struggle for the European market, they only achieve this
      1. zzz
        zzz 30 May 2014 16: 07
        +10
        So, if you reason like that, then they can never pay? I understand correctly? Then let them declare themselves bankrupt.
        1. zzz
          zzz 30 May 2014 16: 11
          +1
          And minus for what? Whose feelings have I offended here?
        2. bulvas
          bulvas 30 May 2014 16: 11
          +7
          Quote: zzz
          So, if you reason like that, then they can never pay? I understand correctly? Then let them declare themselves bankrupt.



          In business, it is always necessary to calculate whether a step is beneficial in the long run.
          There is also politics.

          2-3 yards will not kill Russia, and they will pay anyway, one way or another.

          Hundreds of yards from Europe, South Stream, Nord Stream are at stake, so you have to think a hundred times when to turn off the tap
          1. zzz
            zzz 30 May 2014 16: 14
            +3
            bulvas, thanks, I get it. love
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 30 May 2014 16: 15
              +3
              Quote: zzz
              bulvas, thanks, I get it. love



              contact!
              drinks
          2. ruton
            ruton 30 May 2014 17: 33
            +4
            So if yards from Europe are at stake, we will generally cancel the fee to Ukraine. After all, there are our Russian brothers. Only these brothers wanted to sneeze at all this, with the 7 million inhabitants of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, they can’t put up a militia to drive out 11 thousand army men, in fact a division. And by this, it means they are happy with everything. And now remember how the Czechs fought when we entered them, it was clear there who was fighting and for what. And here there is such a relationship that on the one, on the other. Deferral in business does not mobilize, but rather dampens. ask any business.
        3. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 30 May 2014 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: zzz
          So, if you reason like that, then they can never pay? I understand correctly? Then let them declare themselves bankrupt.

          C'mon ... they are the beacon of democracy ...
          You can control ...
          1. common man
            common man 30 May 2014 16: 32
            +1
            Okay, I would just rejoin. You honor these, comprehend what you read, and EVERYTHING. Insanity of the brain is provided. And complete disappointment in humanity.
          2. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 30 May 2014 17: 09
            +3
            People in Europe looked at these "lights of crap" and voted in the elections for those who would not allow such broad democrats to reach the EU. Europe and America were in a hurry with the coup and elections in Ukraine that the new European Parliament could well not support this adventure.
          3. drags33
            drags33 30 May 2014 17: 59
            +2
            When reading this opus, nothing but the Russian mat comes to mind ...
          4. drags33
            drags33 30 May 2014 17: 59
            0
            When reading this opus, nothing but the Russian mat comes to mind ...
      2. jovanni
        jovanni 30 May 2014 16: 36
        +5
        23 years showed goodwill. And they answered us - evil. All this time.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 30 May 2014 16: 38
          +3
          Quote: Jovanni
          23 years showed goodwill. And they answered us - evil. All this time.


          First you need to build and run the southern stream. Then you can send them to ....

          And if at the same time it turns out (which I have no doubt) to drive away the Americans from shale gas in the Donetsk region, which they want to pump through the Naftogaz pipes, it will be so beautiful that you can lose these few yards for the pleasure of looking at these mudilas, like what they will pump through their pipes

          1. zzz
            zzz 30 May 2014 18: 39
            0
            Quote: bulvas
            And if at the same time it turns out (which I have no doubt) to drive away the Americans from shale gas in the Donetsk region, which they want to pump through the Naftogaz pipes, it will be so beautiful that you can lose these few yards for the pleasure of looking at these mudilas, like what they will pump through their pipes


            good good good
      3. Drednout
        Drednout 30 May 2014 16: 58
        +4
        Quote: bulvas
        so that Europe has no reason to blame Russia for the "energy weapon"

        Accused of chemical. They shouldn’t get used to it, and there they have long accepted goodwill only as weakness!
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 30 May 2014 18: 51
          +3
          Quote: Drednout
          and goodwill there has long been taken only for weakness!


          this is true in the east, especially among the Arabs
          in Europe they will appreciate the complex combination, performed brilliantly, for them it’s worse to stay in the cold

          But you won’t get America, they won’t stop until they reach their goals or until they’ll break their forehead. Therefore, they must cut off all their paths to the European market in order to lower their dollar and their economy.
  3. subbtin.725
    subbtin.725 30 May 2014 16: 00
    +6
    How much can we humble ourselves in front of the world community? They are probably laughing at us. When will our leadership have a sense of self-worth? Can we not see it ?, the West is mocking our country. It’s probably time to decide already.
    1. Akulina
      Akulina 30 May 2014 16: 26
      -5
      We must not forget that not only oligarchs, fascists and Bendera people live in Ukraine. Without shutting off the valve, Russia also thinks about millions of ordinary people - workers and peasants, children and pensioners ... First of all, a gas cut-off will hit them. The rich will lose part of the millions in profits, and the people will fall into poverty. I think our government still hopes that the so-called leadership of Ukraine will wake up conscience or turn on their brains, and they will not completely break ties with Russia, condemning their citizens to unemployment and poverty. Delaying payment is not a manifestation of weakness and simplicity, but conscience and sympathy ... It is better to show yourself as a fool, but not as a mercantile bastard - this is the Russian mentality. Gay Europeans and Fashington do not understand this. But what do we care about their "understanding". They "laugh", but let them at least cut off, ghouls. They are not our judges. And do not forget that soon we will have to rebuild relations with the people of Ukraine - parashenko and Co. will die, and the people, though almost completely deceived, will remain.
      1. common man
        common man 30 May 2014 16: 44
        +6
        Quote: Akulina
        Without blocking the valve, Russia is thinking about millions of ordinary people - workers and peasants, children and pensioners ..

        Tell me, do these millions think about Russia? More precisely, "what do they think?" When they vote for people like Poroshenko. When they send their husbands and sons to destroy the South-East. (I not only mean the army, but also the ideological National Guard. They are also included in these millions of "non-Aligarhs." , when Russia will be bad, for example from theirs sanctions. Sorry, my minus.
        1. Akulina
          Akulina 30 May 2014 17: 11
          +1
          I agree, Ukraine is a country of unafraid idiots. Someone jumps, someone sits on the couch and waits, someone even goes to fight with their own people in the army - not to mention the Pravosek people of Bendera. But I am sure - there are normal people, they will rise sooner or later (and sooner rather than later). They have been brainwashed with legends about the great civilization "ukrov" - but we know that - they - RUSSIAN - just Russians and Russians with Ukrainian "decor" - also "harness for a long time and then quickly drive." I think ours are now trying to find there adequate, authoritative and, most importantly, people who are ready to act, with whom it will be possible to cooperate - in every sense of the word. Whatever zombies live there now, Ukraine is NOT to be lost. Of course, ours are to blame for the fact that they realized it so late - earlier it was necessary to start a struggle for minds and souls, and the money would be more whole and the gas would go where and how much is needed.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 May 2014 17: 05
        +5
        Quote: Akulina
        Without blocking the valve, Russia is thinking about millions of ordinary people - workers and peasants, children and pensioners ...

        N A D O E L O !!! Tired - we please others, and we give off to children for treatment! And how many pensioners live in poverty? Where is the medicine?
      3. northern
        northern 30 May 2014 17: 15
        +3
        A people who are threatened by cold and poverty, have long had to peel themselves in the back of the head and start thinking! Again bljad, the Russian Federation is to blame for the lack of gas in Ukraine?
      4. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 30 May 2014 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: Akulina
        Do not forget that in Ukraine there are not only oligarchs, fascists and Bendera. Without shutting off the valve, Russia is thinking about millions of ordinary people - workers and peasants, children and pensioners ... First of all, turning off the gas will hit them.

        So let them remind their "heroes" who is the boss in the house, and with whom they need to be friends. Enough to keep us for suckers. Well, the truth is, it's already a shame for our Motherland.
      5. ver_
        ver_ 30 May 2014 18: 45
        +1
        ... Russia has two allies - the army and navy .... the remaining allies - will betray ... A perfect example is Hetman Mazepa ...
  4. Giant thought
    Giant thought 30 May 2014 16: 00
    +17
    We are making too many concessions to the Kiev fascists, and they are at this time in Slavyansk, they are shooting a children's hospital from guns.
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 30 May 2014 21: 46
      0
      The Kiev junta needs money to shoot Novorossia. The junta received money to pay for Russian gas, but uses these funds to maintain its gangster army. Russia, with its shameful position on gas debts, is practically financing a punitive operation in the South-East of Ukraine.
      A shame.
      Despite all the combinations and intrigues with the geyropa and the USA.
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  5. Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 30 May 2014 16: 00
    +4
    They piss into our eyes and we give them God's growth.
  6. aleks 62
    aleks 62 30 May 2014 16: 00
    +10
    .... There is nothing to sneak with these ur..mi ... No money, no gas !!!! .... Let them buy in another "shop"
  7. ZSP
    ZSP 30 May 2014 16: 01
    +6
    Close and wait until they pay and prepayment in front. There is no other way. You can grind before the new year.
  8. nizrum
    nizrum 30 May 2014 16: 02
    +9
    Yes, disconnect already !!!
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 30 May 2014 16: 29
      0
      shutting down and switching to prepaid process is technologically complex and expensive
      1. nizrum
        nizrum 30 May 2014 18: 41
        +2
        Yes, how much we defer, it was already possible to prepare 20 times. request
  9. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 30 May 2014 16: 02
    +4
    Opachki! What's going on, then. Guys! Banderlog throws us, and we, like, "well, little, just a little more" ?! What kind of things are going on? amIt smells rotten! And, by the way, for some reason there is nothing on the site about the capture of Pravosek soldiers in Crimea!
    1. yur
      yur 30 May 2014 20: 12
      0
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      And, by the way, for some reason the site does not have anything about the capture of the Pravosek soldiers in Crimea!
      Has already. hi
  10. Yellow white
    Yellow white 30 May 2014 16: 03
    +7
    The Ukrainian people are really BROTHER to us, but personally, my opinion is enough ...
    For gas, for sure, let them buy it in the USA, yeah now, but they will bring it to them in about twenty years ....
  11. AleksPol
    AleksPol 30 May 2014 16: 03
    +7
    How can . It should be a shame. LONG SHOULD BE PUNCHED.
    1. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm 30 May 2014 16: 12
      +4
      How can . It should be a shame.


      Or let them pay with their territory. yes
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    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 May 2014 16: 06
      +11
      Quote: Maksim1
      Maxim 1 Today, 16: 03 New
      In October 1944, the Red Army


      I have to delete all your comments. Do not arrange a forum on the forum. All comments are of the nature of flooding and slander to the forum administration.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 30 May 2014 16: 15
        +5
        Quote: Apollon
        Quote: Maksim1
        Maxim 1 Today, 16: 03 New
        In October 1944, the Red Army


        I have to delete all your comments. Do not arrange a forum on the forum. All comments are of the nature of flooding and slander to the forum administration.

        ..... Approved !!!! .... He made a mistake, however ...
    2. Alez
      Alez 30 May 2014 16: 06
      0
      What kind of crap is Bandera at Maxim1. Such stories are only in Parachland.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 30 May 2014 16: 13
        0
        Quote: Alez
        What kind of crap is Bandera at Maxim 1. Such stories only apply to Parachland.


        Because of power, the country was obscenely named. Keep me minus.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 16: 31
          +5
          Quote: Apollon
          Because of power, the country is obscenely named

          Apollo hello! It’s hard for me to call Ukraine a decent country.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 30 May 2014 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            hi

            Good afternoon Alexander hi
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It’s hard for me to call Ukraine a pristine country.

            Sasha is a matter of taste the most important thing is that the name of the country indicated correctly and tactfully expressed his opinion.
            And then some crossed the red line. The site has many visitors from Ukraine who do not share the views of the leadership of Ukraine and nevertheless, no one is allowed to insult and humiliate the country.
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 30 May 2014 16: 16
        +1
        Quote: Alez
        What kind of crap is Bandera at Maxim1. Such stories are only in Parachland.
        ...
        ... But along the way it is SUCH ...
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 30 May 2014 16: 19
          +1
          Quote: aleks 62
          ... But along the way it is SUCH ...

          I'm not going to put pressure on the brain. BUT
          I wrote above what is not clear ?!
          1. ispaniard
            ispaniard 30 May 2014 17: 28
            +6
            I was fortunate enough to be present in 2010 at the meeting of Patriarch Kirill with university students (specializing in energy, in particular nuclear energy). One of the questions asked to the Patriarch was: - "What do you think of the Internet and, in particular, social networks / forums? Answer: -I have a very positive attitude to the Internet, since it, in addition to being a source of information that is so necessary now for any young person , in my opinion, is also a measure of the soul and honesty of a person in relation to himself ... -What do you mean? -I mean that when expressing his opinion on forums, in chats and in general on the Internet, a person as an invisible person, he does not have to introduce himself and does not show his physical face ... But at the same time, without realizing it, on the Internet, he shows his TRUE FACE ... In my opinion, the Internet and communication in it is a test sent to us by God so that we show their true faces. " -After this meeting with the patriarch, I always try to reread my own posts so as not to turn my face into "The Picture of Dorian Gray." I hope someone from the subscribers of "Military Review" will also take this advice into service wink
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        2. Cristall
          Cristall 30 May 2014 18: 20
          +3
          Quote: aleks 62
          stories are only in Ukraine

          The country remains Ukraine, despite all the efforts of its people and its great government ..
          let's specify specifically to whom exactly the claims are and do not become like. There is no censor ...
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  13. fridge
    fridge 30 May 2014 16: 03
    +8
    JUNE 2 Ukrainians RENAME "NAFTOGAZ" INTO GAZPREM.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 30 May 2014 16: 36
      0
      to issue a debt for gas on credit at interest ... let the price for the released gas continue to gain momentum --- it will be a lever for pressure and a valve for manipulating this pressure
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 30 May 2014 16: 03
    +5
    Money in the morning, chairs in the evening .. And I think bargaining is not appropriate .. I. Ilf, E. Petrov. "Twelve chairs."
  15. R150
    R150 30 May 2014 16: 04
    +4
    "yes FSUs" r on national interests, the main thing is money "
    vsezh interesting what, or whom our government is afraid of?
    1. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 16: 12
      +5
      and you ask the government, let them open the registration of the largest enterprises in Russia as well as beneficiaries and if !!! they answer you, it will immediately become clear where all the rivers flow.
      Or ask why they sell 20 percent of Rosneft ... because Rosneft is a super-profitable enterprise, the largest in the world ... Although it has the largest oil reserves in the world, it costs 10 times cheaper than others of a similar level ... accordingly, it is privatized in 10 times cheaper ... Although it makes no difference .. if only there was no war
  16. Tartarian
    Tartarian 30 May 2014 16: 05
    +2
    How onet zadolbali with this gas-just horror ..., I mean these Gazprom
  17. Maxim1
    Maxim1 30 May 2014 16: 06
    0
    Front-line soldier Leonid Rabichev (then a communications officer) made a devastating sketch of what he saw personally: “Old men, women, children, large patriarchal families were slowly leaving on carriages and cars, on foot along all the roads and highways of the country. Our tankers, infantrymen, artillerymen, signalmen overtook them, pushed aside the old men, attacked women and girls by the thousands.Women, mothers and their daughters, lie to the right and left along the highway, and in front of each of them there is a shrieking armada of men with their pants down. Bloodied and losing consciousness are dragged into the side of the children rushing to help them are shot. Cackle, growling, laughter, screams and groans. Permissiveness, impunity, impersonality and the cruel logic of the maddened crowd. The colonel takes a line, and the major shoots witnesses, hysterical children and old people "(" War is will write off "," Banner "2, 2005).

    The German historian Joachim Hoffmann, author of the book "The Stalinist War of 1941-45", writes:

    "The invasion of the Red Army in East Prussia, West Prussia and Danzig, in Pomerania, Brandenburg and Silesia everywhere was equally accompanied by atrocities similar to which you can still look for in new military history. Massacres of prisoners of war and civilians of any age and gender, mass rape of women, even old women and children, with disgusting concomitant phenomena, repeatedly, sometimes up to death, deliberate arson of houses, villages, city blocks and entire cities, systematic looting,

    looting and destruction of private and public property and, finally, the mass deportation of men, as well as women and youth into labor slavery of the Soviet Union, usually with the separation of mothers from their children and the breaking of family ties, these were the prominent signs of an event that flagrantly contradicted the principles of orderly warfare ".

    “In Neulevin, in one shed, lay the bodies of three desecrated and murdered women, two of whom had their legs tied. One German woman lay shot at the door of her house. An elderly couple was strangled to death. In Neubarnim, 19 residents were found dead. The body of the innkeeper. was mutilated, legs tied with wire. Here, as in other settlements, women and girls were desecrated, and in Kerstenbruch even a 71-year-old woman with amputated legs. The picture of the violent crimes of Soviet troops in these villages of the Oder bend, as elsewhere, is complemented by looting and deliberate destruction ... "(Mark Solonin," Spring of Victory. Stalin's Forgotten Crime ").

    In 2002, the book "The Fall of Berlin. 1945" by the authoritative English historian Anthony Beevor was published. In this book, E. Beevor proves that in Berlin alone, up to 130 German women and girls became victims of violence, often multiple times, by Soviet soldiers. About 10 women subsequently died, often committing suicide. Many were killed on the spot by rapists. It was simply contraindicated for all German women between the ages of 8 and 80 to appear on the streets of Berlin. All in all, during the "liberation" of Germany, Soviet soldiers, according to E. Bivor, raped about 2 million German women, from girls to old women.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 30 May 2014 16: 08
      +2
      Quote: Maksim1
      Maxim1



      moderator, plug this fountain please
    2. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 30 May 2014 16: 10
      +2
      Admins, throw it out please. There is no point in answering.
  18. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 30 May 2014 16: 06
    +2
    that this is the last "act of goodwill" on the part of Russia

    And also about the ongoing so-called ATO in the DPR and LPR. Nobody hears the peaceful appeals of Russia. Well, at least something needs to be done, at least to fly along the border on the A-50, MiG-31, Su-34 to barrage. Immediately, shelling of Slavyansk will end, and ukroletuny will firmly grow their ass to the ground. People are dying.
  19. MuadDib
    MuadDib 30 May 2014 16: 06
    +2
    And this can happen forever. Because besides warnings there are no arguments.
    Or it may so happen that the state of Ukraine will go down in history and duty in place with this state, as happened with the debts of the Russian Empire after the revolution of the 17th year, then the Bolsheviks simply refused to pay, citing the fact that there are no more RIs and there are USSR, and he owes nothing to anyone.
    All this suggests that it’s time to make at least a horse. Maybe even a Trojan.
  20. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 30 May 2014 16: 07
    +2
    It seems that we are afraid. Really so pressed !? This is already - not solid, to say the least! It already looks like a coax.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 30 May 2014 16: 52
      0
      Yes, not everything is fine, just the game of backgammon is not over yet
  21. urii
    urii 30 May 2014 16: 08
    +1
    yes it’s clear. that they won’t pay for it like suckers then?. for these even 2 days is not bad money. I would have better spent it on humanitarian aid .... be my will to the people of the South-East.
  22. tolancop
    tolancop 30 May 2014 16: 10
    +6
    But this is no longer funny. IMHO, it is time for a tough conversation with Ukraine. And instead, smearing the snot again and pushing back the deadlines. How much can you concede? Today, Ukraine has sat on its neck, and tomorrow someone else will try to settle on this neck. Why not? dill did ... If the deadline is set, then it really should be a deadline.
  23. vik669
    vik669 30 May 2014 16: 11
    +5
    For some reason, Gazprom does not value the "national property" with its regular "Chinese warnings", in fact supporting and financing this limitlessness in Ukraine.
  24. Associate Professor
    Associate Professor 30 May 2014 16: 11
    +1
    Doubtful source - Izvestia. They showed on Miller’s TV set. He did not talk about any postponement. June 3 at 10:00.
  25. Negative
    Negative 30 May 2014 16: 12
    +6
    in our company, if the delay in payments occurs for electric energy or gas, inspectors immediately arrive to seal the circuit breakers and valves, it turns out that we immediately press our fingers and threaten these freaks with a finger and do the last warning for the hundredth time. .. I need such a policy
    1. Metal bro
      Metal bro 30 May 2014 18: 21
      0
      Why are you surprised? Our authorities have always been the last to think about their people. Forever write off debts to cubes and Papuans, but they rip off their three skins.
      In this regard, we have a lot to learn from the USA.
  26. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 30 May 2014 16: 14
    +2
    On Monday, June 2, gas will be shut off. But PUTIN did not send Poroshenko’s congratulations. From this it is worth concluding. And they decided to render humanitarian aid to the East of Ukraine. So, we draw conclusions. soldier
    1. Ryndabul
      Ryndabul 30 May 2014 16: 30
      +2
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      On Monday, June 2, gas will be shut off. But PUTIN did not send Poroshenko’s congratulations. From this it is worth concluding. And they decided to render humanitarian aid to the East of Ukraine. So, we draw conclusions. soldier

      But Lukashenko congratulated and wagged his tail ....
  27. sem-yak
    sem-yak 30 May 2014 16: 14
    +5
    and nothing to add
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 30 May 2014 16: 57
      0
      second letter on british flag looks like
  28. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 May 2014 16: 14
    +9
    One fig shutdown on 3 June is scheduled. So it is possible to carry over to 2 June. And let’s block the third one. Kapets, on our Vladivostok news sites about the killed ukrov general they are painted like he is a hero. Like our countryman was killed, we mourn everything and so on. Yes, one must be ashamed that this is our countryman. http://deita.ru/news/incidents/30.05.2014/4694930-na-ukraine-sbili-vertolet-s-ge
    neralom-na-bortu /
    1. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 30 May 2014 16: 25
      0
      on our Vladivostok news sites about the murdered ukrov general it is painted as if he were a hero. Like our countryman was killed, we mourn everything and so on. Yes, one must be ashamed that this is our countryman.

      And he, in the marines with us, in the 55th DiMP served? Somewhere this surname came across before, and is connected with service.
      1. Alll1
        Alll1 30 May 2014 16: 47
        +4
        Quote: surovts.valery
        on our Vladivostok news sites about the murdered ukrov general it is painted as if he were a hero. Like our countryman was killed, we mourn everything and so on. Yes, one must be ashamed that this is our countryman.

        And he, in the marines with us, in the 55th DiMP served? Somewhere this surname came across before, and is connected with service.
        The dead in a helicopter General Kulchitsky promised to blow up stations in Russiahttp: //rusvesna.su/news- Syuyuk was still there.
    2. smile
      smile 30 May 2014 16: 42
      +4
      Zomanus
      Yeah, hero ... they would still remember the faithful son of the Soviet Army - Dudaev ... what people think is incomprehensible ...
      1. surovts.valery
        surovts.valery 30 May 2014 16: 53
        +1
        Major General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Vladimir Kulchitsky, who died in a helicopter over Slavyansk, promised cynically to exterminate the Russians: undermine train stations, poison water pipes and wells.
        “We will poison the wells for you.” We will pour you some muck in the water supply. We will exterminate you in the outhouse. I will do it. I will kill you in cold blood. I will send fighters, I won’t go, ”Kulchitsky said earlier in an interview with Expert. Online. "
        In the publication itself, his name is not disclosed, but after his death, the author of the material on her page in the social network wrote that the hero of this publication is General Kulchitsky.
        - We are definitely not going to fight in a duel, but we will wet you in the outhouses. And in your territory too. All funds will be launched. Your stations will be torn, - the general threatened. “And it will not matter to me which of you to kill: civilians, not civilians.”

        Here, I pulled it from the "Russian Spring". It seems he is one of those people who are ready to serve anyone, just to satisfy their career ambitions.
    3. ldimon
      ldimon 30 May 2014 17: 23
      +1
      Which Academy is proud of such a graduate? Who was its scientific adviser, who oversaw this text? Everyone, to answer, a question of national security, what and how they taught, for each military commander-personal responsibility-there is a signature and a seal. (I read his interview, the maximum senior Warrant Officer, shame on the Academy that gave birth to it (I suspect our ArmorCooper)
  29. shah_I_mat
    shah_I_mat 30 May 2014 16: 17
    +3
    What it is? We are a great country! Where is our pride?
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  30. Shakhtinec
    Shakhtinec 30 May 2014 16: 17
    +7
    so be the peasants, finally shut off the gas supply to them! how much can you allow yourself to wipe your feet?
  31. Saratovets
    Saratovets 30 May 2014 16: 17
    +4
    How can! it is already humiliating for Russia!
    Not only do we practically not help with our own, we are also flirting with the fascists ... the position of our leadership is already perplexing! said do or not FIG was to start ...
  32. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 16: 19
    0
    chopped off and that's it !!! and they’ll do it ... Putin just needs to go on vacation for a month with Miller, and leave Shoigu to keep order. And if everyone pays and prepay it too, they will turn it on only after a week, say that they purge the system and turn off the whole of Europe, and there’s also no ammonia to cut off, all the same, all the income is not from gas but from oil.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 30 May 2014 18: 59
      0
      How are you, you wise guy, you cut off the gas for them - you’ll close one tap ... and you won’t go to Geyropu ....
  33. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA 30 May 2014 16: 20
    0
    or puts an automatic system, how much money has come into the account so much gas and gone. And in the law to prescribe that we have no right to intervene.
  34. rereture
    rereture 30 May 2014 16: 21
    +5
    Ha, Ha, and HA again. And the king is really naked. What damn junta for a belt plugged? Or were they afraid of their western masters?

    But how disgusting it is. You feel like everyone is laughing at you. Like a tied dog, or a bear in a circus.
  35. uzer 13
    uzer 13 30 May 2014 16: 21
    +6
    They won’t pay anyway, at any price. Habits are preserved.
  36. shah_I_mat
    shah_I_mat 30 May 2014 16: 25
    +1
    The negotiations in Warsaw on the issue of Ukrainian gas debts ended to no avail. As a result, from June 1, the supply of Russian gas to Ukraine may be stopped.

    The parties continue to strictly adhere to their positions. Russia, relying on a contract signed by Kiev, speaks of eliminating all voluntary discounts and setting a new gas price of $ 485 per thousand cubic meters. Kiev does not agree to such a price and demands that the price of gas in the first quarter ($ 268,5) be maintained. Moreover, Kiev officials refuse to pay for gas already consumed in the first quarter until the price of new supplies suits them. And since in the first quarter Kiev did not pay at a price that suits it, the amount ran up pretty well. “Given the application of Naftogaz of Ukraine for April 30 and the volumes that we already delivered this month, Ukraine’s total debt for Russian gas, according to preliminary estimates, will amount to $ 3,492 billion,” Gazprom official representative Sergey Kupriyanov said at the end of April . And this is not to mention the fines for gas shortages of $ 11 billion. In response, Ukraine wants to go to arbitration, but it is unlikely that Kiev’s position “I don’t pay for gas delivered because I don’t agree on the prices of new supplies” will find understanding among objective judges.

    Source - http://expert.ru/2014/05/3/otklyuchim-gaz/
  37. sinukvl
    sinukvl 30 May 2014 16: 26
    +4
    Yes, how much can snot chew! These creatures in Slavyansky fired at a children's hospital at night, and we see if we give them two more for a term, for payment. Yes, cut off gas supplies to the hell until all the debt is paid, and at the maximum price without any discounts, and then let them take gas at the maximum price and on an advance payment. They don’t like our conditions; let them buy from others, like in a store like I received it, I don’t like it, go to another. And in general, why should we make concessions to Bendera!
  38. APS
    APS 30 May 2014 16: 26
    +3
    For a long time, of course, harness, but we'll see how we go. Let's hope this is a prelude to decisive action!
    1. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 30 May 2014 17: 26
      +5
      We must already go. Everything has already happened: "respect for the choice of the Ukrainian people", the withdrawal of troops from the borders, negotiations with a delay in gas payments, a bunch of statements by Lavrov, Churkin's battle at the UN. Everything is like a fish on ice. There should be a statement, no matter from whom: Churkin, Lavrov, even from Putin. All exhortations, peaceful means have been exhausted! Peace enforcement. At least in words, a warning. At least this minimum of actions must definitely stop the punitive massacre in the South-East.
  39. vanka-vstanka
    vanka-vstanka 30 May 2014 16: 31
    +4
    A game of "Chinese warnings". What does it mean?
  40. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 30 May 2014 16: 34
    +7
    So there is no gas and no coal either, but where are Europe's assistants, for example?
  41. Lukerya Weaver
    Lukerya Weaver 30 May 2014 16: 35
    +1
    This conflict is protracted and no end is foreseen. Russia will not turn off gas to Ukraine. All because the Kiev authorities for this reason simply cut off gas to the South-East and Crimea. If I don’t confuse anything, then gas is still supplied to Crimea through the Ukrainian pipe. And Kiev and other areas of its own and reverse gas is enough. Therefore, they do not pay, and we do not turn off. In fact, we play only on the nerves of Europe. Because in Kiev they know that no one will turn off gas to them.
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 30 May 2014 22: 17
      0
      Crimea has its own gas, and the South-East needs a "magic pendal" to start fighting for its independence. The next surrender of gas positions only leads to the fact that the money allocated by Gayrope to pay for our gas will go (and are already going) to support the punishers - the destruction of the population and the strangulation of Novorossiya.
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  42. sgazeev
    sgazeev 30 May 2014 16: 36
    +3
    Your mother! Money took pride. Banana Ukraine bends the EU and the Russian Federation. am
  43. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 30 May 2014 16: 37
    +4
    Although not new, but on the topic.
  44. suharev-52
    suharev-52 30 May 2014 16: 37
    +1
    Guys, what kind of "everything is gone" again. It was also announced that the deadline is June 3 - to pay off the debt and prepayment. And on the 30th they decided whether Ukraine would pay 2 lard and 500 million - on the 7th. Didn't decide. So we are waiting for lunch on the 3rd, then we will draw conclusions. Sincerely.
  45. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 30 May 2014 16: 38
    +3
    An increase in the payback period of two days with billions of dollars in debt ... does not matter ... it is a gesture towards Europe ...
    I think there will be no money ... the valve will have to be closed ... and then the fun part will begin ... Europe will understand that it will have to pay for the Ukrainian emanations. The USA is far away ... advice is pouring out of Psaki ... BUT America does not care about the gas problem at all.
    1. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 30 May 2014 16: 45
      +4
      This is not even a gesture. On Saturday and Sunday, pay such amounts? Gazprom simply did not want to work on the weekend: they would shut off the pipe, then they would ring, they would want to talk. No, everything is for barbecue, but from the beginning of the week there will be work)
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 30 May 2014 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: silberwolf88
      An increase in the payback period of two days with billions of dollars in debt ... does not matter ... it is a gesture towards Europe ...

      bleating
      no one will sell me gas for some 700 rubles
  46. Alll1
    Alll1 30 May 2014 16: 40
    +2
    There is an opinion that the oil and gas troops of the Russian Federation are fighting with Fashington for the liberation of Europe, and Ukraine is a bow on the side, so, as they say, "everything is not so simple."
  47. midashko
    midashko 30 May 2014 16: 41
    +2
    Scared! Refuse! Yes, great, because you still can’t see the money, at least sell, at least do not sell! It’s better to let the gas remain with us, not sour underground.
    1. Repty
      Repty 30 May 2014 16: 52
      +2
      “Japan could buy Russian gas much cheaper if a similar deal was concluded - if, of course, a gas pipeline was built. Russia will also benefit from such a project, said Osamu Fujisawa, an independent energy economist from Tokyo. - Russia seeks to expand its market. She has already made a deal with China, and Japan is next in line. Then Russia will not have to rely on Europe, which in the conditions of the crisis in Ukraine is trying to reduce its dependence on gas supplies from Russia. ”

      Well, something like this...
  48. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 30 May 2014 16: 42
    +4
    Kindergarten.
    I recall that in the early 90s, the humpbacked crane quickly closed the Baltic states and they quickly became more accommodating. How much can you babysit ???
  49. bda
    bda 30 May 2014 16: 47
    +6
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

    LOOK: If Ukraine pays for its undisputed gas debt, then Russia will agree to discuss a reduction in gas prices to $ 380 per 1 cubic meters, said Ivan Grachev, chairman of the State Duma’s Energy Committee.


    And to link all this disgrace with the cessation of water supplies to the Crimea, with the blockade of Transnistria (and our peacekeepers located there, by the way), with a punitive operation in the South-East, we have already been blown away - the President of Switzerland doesn’t argue - you can’t argue with him, there they have banks.
  50. pirotir1
    pirotir1 30 May 2014 16: 49
    +7
    no matter how much the payments are delayed by the date of the last payment, if they are not going to pay, then they will not pay. need to finish this kindergarten.