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Brigadier in a row

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Brigadier in a rowThe initiative of Ukraine to create a certain joint military brigade with Poland and Lithuania should not be considered a military threat, Russian experts believe. In their opinion, the threat is different: in a forced pull of Ukraine into NATO structures, right up to the deployment of missile defense facilities on Ukrainian territory. Earlier, Sergei Shoigu announced the unprecedented activity of the armed forces of the alliance near the borders of Russia.


On the eve it became known that the government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk approved a draft agreement on the establishment of a military brigade joint with Lithuania and Poland. About the start of work on the project, which received the not very euphonic name LITPOLUKRBRIG, said the appointed Verkhovna Rada Acting. Minister of Defense of Ukraine, Mikhail Koval. According to him, the agreement with Warsaw and Vilnius "will be signed within a month, and maybe earlier."

“NATO cannot enter Ukraine directly, as Russia behaves very restrained”

Koval stressed that this decision is very important for Ukraine, since both Poland and Lithuania belong to NATO. “We will prepare our component so that we know NATO standards — they have a lot to learn,” Koval noted. According to the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, "the brigade will perform including peacekeeping functions."

As LifeNews told the Lithuanian Ministry of National Security, “we are now in the process of completing all the procedures that will lead to an agreement between Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine; Ukraine and Poland are awaiting official confirmation from Lithuania. ” Ukrainian media say that the Polish Defense Minister Tomash Semonyak said earlier that due to Russia's aggression against Ukraine, NATO is obliged to increase its military presence in Europe. It should be noted that the head of the Polish Ministry of Defense long before the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, in March 2013, predicted the creation of a joint Ukrainian-Polish-Lithuanian military brigade.

The special interest of Poland is clear, which since the times of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth feels itself to be the hegemon of Eastern Europe. The Ukrainian crisis gave Warsaw the opportunity to talk about the modernization of its own army. As the newspaper VIEW, in connection with the situation in Ukraine, Poland decided to revise the modernization plan of the armed forces and speed up the purchase of launchers for 300 kilometers of missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, and assault helicopters.

And NATO as a whole is trying to use the crisis in Ukraine to the maximum to prove its relevance, Russia's permanent representative to the North Atlantic Alliance, Alexander Grushko, believes. Recall that in mid-April, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu noted an unprecedented increase in the activity of the US and NATO forces in Eastern Europe near the Russian borders.

Note that the day before in the airspace of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland began a two-day, already 18-th in a row, training of the NATO Air Force in the Baltic region. As Regnum reports referring to the Lithuanian Ministry of Defense, fighters of the Royal Air Force of Great Britain Eurofighter Typhoon, as well as the MiG-29 of the Polish Air Force, performing the mission of the NATO air police in the Baltic States, participate in air exercises near the Russian borders. At the same time, on the same day, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen once again expressed his dissatisfaction with the presence of Russian troops near the Ukrainian borders.

As noted by Interfax, the elected president Petro Poroshenko, responding to the congratulations of Barack Obama, said that Ukraine felt the support of the United States on the issue of territorial integrity and sovereignty, which was expressed through the position of the United States - including in NATO. However, Poroshenko has not yet supported the idea of ​​his rival Yulia Tymoshenko - simultaneously with the presidential elections to hold a referendum on joining NATO in the country.

According to experts, to which the VIEW newspaper turned, it will not be a question of the formal entry of Ukraine into the North Atlantic Alliance, but of more and more “cooperation” with NATO.

NATO instructors will not help

The joint brigade itself, in the composition that was announced, does not pose a threat to Russia, believes the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems of the Russian Federation, Doctor historical Sciences, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov. “The most powerful combat element of the newly created brigade is its Polish unit. In fact, Lithuania does not have its own army, and the Ukrainian army is demoralized, ”Ivashov said in an interview with the VZGLYAD newspaper.

“It is indicative of how the Ukrainian defense ministry persuades pilots and soldiers to shoot at civilians — they are promised apartments and lured with big money,” Ivashov notes. “The army requires large expenditures in its preparation and maintenance, Ukraine has no such means.” Therefore, the Ukrainian armed forces should not be considered NATO-capable partners, the expert believes. According to Ivashov, given the demoralized state of the Ukrainian military, the help of NATO instructors and advisers will be useless. “On the contrary, one should expect that the army of Ukraine will now be rapidly reduced, and its combat readiness will only fall,” Ivashov believes.
More importantly and far more dangerous is the other, the expert emphasizes: the creation of a joint brigade with the participation of the two countries of the North Atlantic Alliance is a manifestation of the “creeping pull of Ukraine into NATO”. “This is a retaliatory response to the reunification of the Crimea and Sevastopol with Russia,” notes Ivashov. “Directly NATO cannot enter Ukraine, since Russia is behaving very restrained in relation to what is happening in the South-East, in Donetsk and Lugansk.” According to the interlocutor, the goal of Western military strategists is to draw Russia into the confrontation so that the leading NATO country - the United States - has the opportunity to order the alliance troops to directly intervene in Ukrainian events.

But so far there is no reason to intervene, “various kinds of maneuvers are going on, like creating a joint brigade,” Ivashov notes. According to the expert, further involvement of Ukraine into NATO structures may also imply an agreement on the deployment of NATO missile defense facilities in Ukraine.

“The Ukrainian army needs to be re-created”

Igor Korotchenko, a military expert and editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, also believes that the creation of a Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian brigade is not in itself a military threat.
“It’s another thing that we are talking about trends, and the trends indicate that Ukraine is still focused on early integration into NATO,” the expert stated in an interview with VIEW. “This integration implies a transition to NATO standards in terms of military planning and the use of appropriate command solutions.” Therefore, from the point of view of trends, we must observe the development of events, emphasizes Korotchenko.

According to the expert, the Ukrainian army is now in the situation when it needs to be re-created; in its present form, the Ukrainian army has extremely low combat readiness.

“The current Ukrainian armed forces, affected by corruption, collapsed, are not yet suitable for anything,” said Korotchenko. According to him, Ukrainian security forces can only destroy a defenseless civilian population, but Ukraine is not capable of military confrontation.

“With Poroshenko’s coming to power, obviously, mechanisms will be launched under an accelerated program of preparing Ukraine for NATO membership, and this task will be solved in a comprehensive manner,” Korotchenko believes. “As far as the Ukrainian army will be able to go over to NATO standards, time will tell.” But this, the expert again emphasizes, will be the creation of a fundamentally new army.
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  1. Saratovets
    Saratovets 30 May 2014 18: 48
    +7
    I hope that we and our enemies will have enough reason, not to continue the tradition of starting a super slaughter every 100 years!
    1. matross
      matross 30 May 2014 19: 36
      +5
      Damn, how much can we be stuffed with the opinions of this "expert" of the thug - Korotchenko ?! He is the same "military expert" as the representative of the State Department Psaki !!! That is, none! Zero without a stick! And, bitch, from article to article, from program to program! What, there are no more military authorities in the country? Then I am already beginning to fear for our defenses!
      1. yushch
        yushch 30 May 2014 20: 11
        +4
        But don’t take these nonsense so close to your heart. Any sane person understands that billions of Baku rubles cost transition to standards. I certainly understand that the Outskirts owe everything, because they are exceptional lads, but their western friends are strangled by this a lot of dough, they are enough only for expired rations, but BU armor and helmets.). What can I say if the wide are still fighting with Soviet weapons.
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 30 May 2014 21: 01
        +3
        Quote: matRoss
        Damn, how much can we be stuffed with the opinions of this "expert" of the thug - Korotchenko ?!


        And for some reason, it all reminded me And for everything that we do, we are also responsible together. Team.
        1. Yura
          Yura 30 May 2014 21: 40
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          And for some reason, it all reminded me. And for everything that we do, we are also responsible together. The team.

          I read your post and remembered how and how this brigade ended. Hence the conclusion that the end of this Military Brigade is naturally sad, and naturally normal to people who are not related to robbery, bandits and fascists, optimistically.
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    2. aspirin02
      aspirin02 30 May 2014 23: 20
      0
      The junta shoots at protesters from all guns, Assault rifles, Machine guns, armored personnel carriers 4 Butsyfal, armored personnel carriers 80, grenade launcher!
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 May 2014 18: 48
    +8
    nu-nu ... how will glory be shared after the victory over Russia? all three have an ambition of 20 times more than a brain
  3. IFreedman
    IFreedman 30 May 2014 18: 49
    +6
    “NATO cannot enter directly to Ukraine, since Russia behaves very restrainedly»
    "Politely" you mean? hi
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 May 2014 18: 52
    +4
    forced Ukraine’s drawing into NATO structures, up to the deployment of missile defense facilities on Ukrainian territory.

    To do this, all this bloody mess was brewing .. (23 years old, they raised maydaunov brainwashing ..) We overslept Ukraine ... This is our revenge for Syria and independent politics!
    1. smile
      smile 30 May 2014 19: 21
      +5
      MIKHAN
      Well no. Do not revenge. This is simply the inevitable ending to the many years of systemic work of our potential friends. A mess in Ukraine would happen in any case, regardless of our actions or inaction. It’s just that we were able to partially disrupt the implementation of plans both in Ukraine and Syria, and many more where .... including at home. But so far only partially.
      And if we had not started to pursue an independent policy, we would have "gone", in any case, the Maidan would have happened earlier than in Ukraine ... and hello.
  5. mamont5
    mamont5 30 May 2014 18: 55
    +3
    "How much the Ukrainian army will be able to move to NATO standards, time will tell."

    Something tells me that they don’t have time.
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 30 May 2014 20: 46
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      To what extent will the Ukrainian army be able to switch to NATO standards?

      Only in erotic dreams No.
  6. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 30 May 2014 18: 56
    +1
    A bunch of wretched, with traditions who received ... field from Krasnaya, Sovetskaya, the list is open, the armies are very independent, but very vicious, so-called independent, independent and all other states.
  7. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 30 May 2014 18: 56
    0
    well, Lithuania and Ukraine can be understood, their separate armies are an incompetent misunderstanding ....
    But Poland, why is this? Yes, and NATO is a little heavy yoke .... just what would Khokhlov pull to the alliance?
  8. northern
    northern 30 May 2014 19: 03
    0
    Ukraine resolved territorial problems? or now they are taking everyone to NAT?
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 30 May 2014 19: 11
      -3
      NATO - a foreign union
      market capital countries, creaturely hostile.
      What do they have few dollars in need for greed?
      How much warfare remains to the judicial truth? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 30 May 2014 20: 23
        0
        this will never happen
      2. barmaley78
        barmaley78 30 May 2014 20: 51
        0
        baked head
    2. sborka
      sborka 30 May 2014 20: 42
      0
      I'm afraid that an exception will be made for Ukraine. Then they will say: "special case" ...
  9. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 30 May 2014 19: 03
    +4
    “We will prepare our component so that we know the NATO standards - they have a lot to learn,” said Koval.
    Life whispers softly: - It is necessary
    Get rid of NATO
    It's time ... After all, the block is climbing east!
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 30 May 2014 19: 04
    -1
    Euro-Khokhlov will share the experience of the Lithuanian forest brothers and the army of people, how to hide in caches, although the Ukrainians themselves who they want to learn how to sit in the cellars, before the age of 57 they were smoked.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 30 May 2014 19: 40
      +8
      The army of Ludov, together with ours, liberated Poland. AK - Army of Craiova, controlled by an emigrant government from London, was hiding in caches.
  11. buzer
    buzer 30 May 2014 19: 05
    +1
    But what naive logic is in Ukraine, I would even say ideology. Someone must do everything for them ... -failed to create a normal army, it’s necessary to join NATO, they’ll definitely give us a super-duper army! - we have a fucking economy, we have to go to the EU and we will have a super-economy. Etc. etc.
  12. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 30 May 2014 19: 05
    +4
    "The Ukrainian army is demoralized" - no matter how they brainwashed the military, deep in their hearts they understand that they are acting criminally by shooting their citizens. They are kept until the excuse "I obey the order" with a creak, against their will they execute it. If they were given a choice - to fight against the same Poles, then the fighting spirit would quickly be found.
    1. smile
      smile 30 May 2014 19: 28
      +3
      KAPITANUS
      After exceeding a certain threshold of losses, the understanding of the criminality of action against the population for many disappears completely ... only "they" and "we" remain .... "We" are right in everything - "they" are not people but enemies, accidentally soak a hundred- the other is not very bad. The more blood is shed from both sides, the more the parties to the conflict will go berserk ...
      Here such an important moment is important - what will happen sooner - complete demoralization and disintegration of the army, or a willingness to bring down all in a row without any remorse will develop ...
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 30 May 2014 20: 32
        +3
        I agree, no action is needed. in Donetsk and Lugansk they understand this, they are exhausting the army, slowly firing off the most active.
      2. biznaw
        biznaw 31 May 2014 00: 34
        +1
        +
        It is a pity that few people understand this moment. More and more they shout that it is necessary to wet, do not wet, even if they are brothers, time will pass, they will come to their senses, and "frostbitten" from MANPADS into the side.
  13. parus2nik
    parus2nik 30 May 2014 19: 16
    +3
    It seems to me, gentlemen, this brigade with an inconsistent name will not come in handy ...
  14. konvalval
    konvalval 30 May 2014 19: 22
    +2
    Quote: north
    Ukraine resolved territorial problems? or now they are taking everyone to NAT?

    Against Russia, if not, but really want it, then it is possible.
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 31 May 2014 00: 39
      0
      It’s impossible ... But in principle, we don’t mind, let them dream ... If we really want to, we can give them pleasure to experience the damaging factors of tactical special ammunition on their own skin or they think that we will run around England with sapper shovels ...
  15. sv68
    sv68 30 May 2014 19: 33
    0
    I wonder who in this trinity will be the first to betray and leave to their fate in the event of an armed conflict, the "companions" in arms? and in general, the Poles, if something happens, will remember all their nasty things since the flood of Noah
  16. Per se.
    Per se. 30 May 2014 19: 34
    0
    The day before it became known that the government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk approved a draft agreement on the creation of a joint military brigade with Lithuania and Poland. About the beginning of work on the project, which received the not very harmonious name LITPOLUKRBRIG
    What is not "Rzeczpospolita"? Dill, who betrayed their roots, their ancestors, Holy Russia, who made themselves "non-Russian" and hating Russia for their inferiority, in the form of these non-Russian, non-Poles, non-Lithuanians, and subhumans ... Dill created by the USA is not Ukraine, dill , these are not Ukrainians, and the sooner this Nazi-Bandera infection is destroyed, the better.
  17. sabakina
    sabakina 30 May 2014 19: 37
    +5
    Maybe we will not wait?
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 30 May 2014 20: 00
    0
    How much did the State Department pay "Russian experts" for this conclusion? An attack on this brigade will automatically be an attack on the citizens of Poland and Lithuania. Which is automatically an attack on the citizens of NATO member states. Tell me further?
  19. Palladium900
    Palladium900 30 May 2014 20: 03
    0
    L. Ivashov: "NATO cannot enter Ukraine directly, since Russia is behaving very restrainedly in relation to what is happening in the South-East, in Donetsk and Lugansk"
    The article, which appeared on VO today a little earlier, had the headline: "Leonid Ivashov: While we are inactive, it borders on a crime against the Russian state." Leonid Grigorievich, how can you understand ?.
  20. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 30 May 2014 20: 25
    0
    The day before it became known that the government of Arseniy Yatsenyuk approved a draft agreement on the creation of a joint military brigade with Lithuania and Poland. About the beginning of work on the project, which received the not very harmonious name LITPOLUKRBRIG

    Somehow like this...
  21. Giant thought
    Giant thought 30 May 2014 20: 35
    +1
    In no way should NATO troops be allowed to stay on Ukrainian territory, as it threatens with bad consequences.
  22. homosum20
    homosum20 30 May 2014 20: 43
    +3
    Zhirinovsky said: "The Liberal Democratic Party declares that Kiev is" illegally occupying "eight regions of southeastern Ukraine, and is developing a bill on the status of these territories, according to the party's website.
    As the party emphasizes, over all territories where the Russian or Soviet flag has ever flown, the flag of the Russian state should again fly, especially in those regions "where Russians have always lived, where all the lands have been developed by them, and cities were founded and built by the Russian people ".
    We are talking about Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk, Lugansk, Donetsk and Kharkov regions.
    The Liberal Democratic Party declares that the bill should contribute to "the earliest de-occupation of the southeastern regions of Ukraine, which can already live in the format of a new state."
    Earlier, the party found itself in the center of a scandal after its leader, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, sent a proposal to the Polish Foreign Ministry to initiate referendums in five Western Ukrainian regions - Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn, Rivne, Lviv and Ternopil - with the prospect of further joining the regions to Poland. "
    Tomorrow I’ll go to sign up for the LDPR.
  23. Fish supervision
    Fish supervision 30 May 2014 20: 52
    0
    Well PSHEKI, Well, where are they? what Well, warriors would have been gaskets all their life, okay female fool The same as the Italians-captain climbed the trench parapet, forward !!! , to him from the trench-bravo captain !!! Movement zero fellow Information is not fake bully
    1. victorsh
      victorsh 31 May 2014 06: 34
      -2
      But the Italians had the best underwater divers.
  24. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 30 May 2014 21: 06
    0
    Even no one worries about the entry of the outskirts into the city of about. Until winter, this government will last no more. Then again the Maidan. They are already a habit.
  25. VD chauvinist
    VD chauvinist 30 May 2014 21: 11
    +1
    One man worked for me. Welder from God. But, if I didn’t write out lyuli to him once every 1,5 - 2 months, I started to fool around.
    The same with these. The intervals are different. They can’t live without Russian lyuli, they are very bored. And the fact that they will receive them on the territory of officially non-aligned Ukraine is their personal sadness. Officially, there are no Russian troops on the territory of Shelter.
  26. Serg93
    Serg93 30 May 2014 23: 26
    +1
    Quote: smile
    MIKHAN
    Well no. Do not revenge. This is simply the inevitable ending to the many years of systemic work of our potential friends. A mess in Ukraine would happen in any case, regardless of our actions or inaction. It’s just that we were able to partially disrupt the implementation of plans both in Ukraine and Syria, and many more where .... including at home. But so far only partially.
    And if we had not started to pursue an independent policy, we would have "gone", in any case, the Maidan would have happened earlier than in Ukraine ... and hello.

    And we already had an attempt to hold the Maidan))) on the Swamp))))
    1. smile
      smile 31 May 2014 04: 01
      0
      Serg93
      Everything is correct +, that is exactly what I had in mind. And, unfortunately, I won’t put smiles here, since the marshes haven’t gone anywhere - they just calmed down. But they are really twins, the maydaun brothers - the curators - are the same, the activists were preparing - in the same place, the slogans are absolutely identical (well, the independents still curse us), the methods are the same ... everything is the same. It is not in vain that our white puppies now support the actions of the Kiev regime.
  27. scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 30 May 2014 23: 35
    +1
    It is a pity that not all of the "color of the Polish nation" could fit into that plane, which crashed with such joy when he flew to look at our shame.
  28. nomad74
    nomad74 31 May 2014 01: 37
    +2
    Quote: smile

    Well no. Do not revenge. This is simply the inevitable ending to the many years of systemic work of our potential friends.


    I believe that everyone should be ready to take up arms, the situation is like in 39, and without snot! And I advise you to buy a lump in advance, berets, unloading and special tools will not hurt, it is quite possible that with the total mobilization of protective equipment and good optics there will be not enough! Now it’s all quite possible to buy through China! No wonder the GDP remembered the TRP, but we who grew up in the USSR should be able to fight and teach the youth!
    1. smile
      smile 31 May 2014 04: 11
      0
      nomad74
      I think this will not come to this - we will not allow it.
      We have enough means of protection in the respective warehouses, probably for a couple of sets of the population, I don’t know a single Russian peasant who wouldn’t have camouflage :))) Yes, and, in theory, we have obviously more weapons than people, ready to pick it up. And the diversity of uniforms and equipment is unlikely to be welcomed if called upon.
      Therefore, it is probably not worth worrying too much ... But as for the TRP and the training and education of youth - yes, just right.
  29. siberalt
    siberalt 31 May 2014 02: 49
    0
    By and large, NATO is an alliance of the SGA with Europe enslaved by them. Well, Europe will not fight with Russia. Even if something flies there from Russia, Europe will not. The deployment of missile defense is, of course, annoying. We have to constantly rebuild, which takes a good piece of our budget. And the fact that here, in Ukraine, they will deploy a missile defense system and it will be admitted to NATO is a long song. First you need to create this very Ukraine, as a stable state, which in the near future is somehow not expected.
  30. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 31 May 2014 04: 30
    0
    Let them try to do something together. Find out who they contacted. These are convinced parasites and pathological kleptomaniacs. There was already a case, about 10 years ago. The Americans wanted to conduct joint exercises. We unloaded in Odessa with "Hummers" and other junk. In the morning the junk was not found and the "Hummers" were like piranhas tormented. So we went back. Since then, dill has become even more impoverished and "traditions" have only strengthened. Not all RF-now also the EU will be forever guilty and all around should.
  31. pvv113
    pvv113 31 May 2014 21: 36
    +5
    Quote: IFreedman
    “NATO cannot enter directly to Ukraine, since Russia behaves very restrainedly»
    "Politely" you mean? hi

    Russia has polite behavior in its blood
  32. pvv113
    pvv113 31 May 2014 21: 44
    +5
    Ukraine’s initiative to create some kind of joint military brigade with Poland and Lithuania should not be considered a military threat, Russian experts believe
    This is the same as a brigade of three cockroaches to threaten a sneaker