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“In a year, I think, there will be no united Ukraine - it will split into parts”

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“In a year, I think, there will be no united Ukraine - it will split into parts”



The refusal of federalization will lead to the fact that Ukraine will actually disintegrate, becoming similar to Somalia

Well-known Russian political scientist, professor Oleg Matveychev gave his forecast for the development of events in Ukraine after the presidential "election".

Europe thinks including wallet

The presidential "election" recorded a huge number of fraud, all saw the famous frames, which depict even bundles of ballots lying in glass ballot boxes. Everyone knows that in some territories of Ukraine people did not vote at all, in other regions the turnout was low, and during the election campaign the candidates were beaten.

It got to the point that the leader of the Communist Party of Ukraine was not allowed to withdraw from the elections at all, he was forced to participate in them. This is reminiscent of a farce, so I consider myself to be those experts who, when referring to the presidential elections in Ukraine, use the term “so-called elections”. In fact, it was just the appointment of Petro Poroshenko to the post of head of the Ukrainian state.

Can Moscow negotiate with him, simply on the basis of political expediency, leaving aside the legality of Poroshenko’s election? Terms of dialogue outlined Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg.

To begin with, Kiev must pay off debts and return to the Geneva agreements, which imply demilitarization, that is, the withdrawal of troops from the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. But neither this nor the other has yet been done, although I think Poroshenko will still have to do something, because for him the gas issue is critical. In addition, Europe thinks, including, and wallet. She does not need gas conflicts. So some prerequisites for the repayment of debts Kiev still exist.

Central Ukrainian power will be ephemeral

As for the situation in the South-East, Poroshenko has the task to return these areas to Ukraine, because otherwise there is no one to feed Western Ukraine. Donetsk and Lugansk regions are budget donors. If Poroshenko does not achieve their return, then I think he will want to turn these regions into ruins so that they become beggars. How to talk to the parties when one wants black and the other white?

The revolution never solves the problems that the state has; on the contrary, it only aggravates them. Here you are, the irony of fate: Maidan fought against the oligarchy, and received a pure oligarch president! At the same time, Poroshenko is clearly a transitional figure, in Ukraine everything will change. There is no question that he will be able to rule for a long time, by the winter the pendulum of popular moods will swing into another new direction, new leaders will appear. They will change the Constitution again, they will hold elections again. While Ukrainian politicians are thinking how to lose Poroshenko. Yulia Tymoshenko, by the way, can return to the top.

People are impoverished. So it was already in stories, in the period of the first Ruins, and now the era of the second Ukrainian Ruins has arrived. In a year, I think, there will be no united Ukraine. Federalization could save Ukrainian statehood for many years to come, but Poroshenko clearly stated that Ukraine would remain unitary. However, this is what provokes the regional centers and their elites to pressure on Kiev, to bargain with Poroshenko.

Most likely there will be a split of the state into parts with an uncertain status. To rule them will be temporary workers, regional barons, in some ways similar to the Russian 90's period. They will have not only their voter, but even the local army. The central Ukrainian government will be ephemeral, the situation will become similar to the Somali one. So it always happens with the countries in which the revolution happened.
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  1. COLUN
    COLUN 30 May 2014 08: 25
    +52
    Why in a year? She has already split!
    UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 08: 29
      +17
      Quote: COLUN
      Why in a year? She has already split!

      The article was probably written a year ago laughing
      1. Sibiryak
        Sibiryak 30 May 2014 08: 34
        +6
        Quote: COLUN
        UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!

        Well, why are you like that, THERE IS EVERYTHING IN CHOCOLATE, only chocolate turns out to be different!
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        2. alexng
          alexng 30 May 2014 08: 54
          +4
          Quote: Sibiryak
          ... only chocolate turns out to be different!


          And light brown, and also with the smell of poop.
          Guys! And something completely disappeared from sight of Kolo-Pomoisky? Is he still alive? Or has he already added to the list of "executed ghouls"?
          1. Evil Pole
            Evil Pole 30 May 2014 09: 38
            +4
            Quote: alexneg
            Guys! And something completely disappeared from sight of Kolo-Pomoisky? Is he still alive? Or has he already added to the list of "executed ghouls"?

            How is it? Alive, healthy, robbed of the Jewish religious community in Crimea, for which his fellow countrymen are simply eager to fall in love .. Along with these events, donations to the victims of the "Heavenly Hundred" about 4,5 million dollars have disappeared, and a new battalion "Donbass" is being formed, so go Mikhalych request
            1. CALL.
              CALL. 30 May 2014 10: 28
              +14
              UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!

              1. Naum
                Naum 30 May 2014 11: 50
                +3
                He drew attention to the way the names of Ukrainian politicians are pronounced today: ParAshenko, Kalomoisky, TimOshonka, YaitsenuH. Maybe someone else will add something to this collection of * satchels?
                1. 11111mail.ru
                  11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Naum
                  Maybe someone else will add something to this collection of * satchels?

                  steam
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            3. alexng
              alexng 30 May 2014 10: 29
              +1
              Well no! Something is wrong here. There are no new photos and videos of him since April. The junta is not saying anything. It seems that he didn’t pay someone and ... provided a ticket to ... nothingness.
              1. Vitaly11
                Vitaly11 30 May 2014 10: 40
                +1
                Quote: alexneg
                There are no new photos and videos of him since April. The junta is not saying anything. It seems that he didn’t pay someone and ... provided a ticket to ... nothingness.

                by unconfirmed infe, they banged him on Easter, and then banged the one who shot.
                You can find the last photo with KALOMOUSHEY, but he looks more rejuvenated there ...
                1. olf_1959
                  olf_1959 30 May 2014 11: 43
                  +1
                  Yes nonsense. If that were the case, all the media would have trumpeted the whole world. Although I would welcome such news.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 30 May 2014 12: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: olf_1959
                    If it were, all the media would have trumpeted, to the whole world

                    The fact of the matter is that they are silent, and they themselves are gutting his Privat bank ... As it becomes known that he was banged, the heirs will run in, and here again "the money evaporated"!

                    A number of Ukrainian media report the death of oligarch Igor Kolomoisky, who was shot by two armed people.
                    according to the version, the oligarch was reckless and got out of the car parked at the curb before the guards, at that time, a man jumped out of a car passing by with automatic weapons and opened fire. The driver of the second car also fired on the go.
                    One of the attackers was detained by the Kolomoisky security guards. He stated that he did this not because of the remuneration announced by Kazakh businessman Ermek Taychibekov, but because of humanistic considerations. In particular, he shouted that "such people do not have the right to live and solve issues of people and the state."
                    Earlier, Igor Kolomoisky announced an award of $ 10 per head for every Russian saboteur or separatist. The cynicism of this statement, in turn, made the Kazakh entrepreneur promise a million rubles per head of Kolomoisky himself.
                    Local media also say that law enforcement agencies of the former Ukraine do not comment on the incident, citing the secrecy of the investigation, and do not allow journalists to the scene.


                    Then the media shut their mouths and they still cannot find a journalist
              2. evgenii67
                evgenii67 30 May 2014 12: 05
                +12
                some football theme: At a press conference, a Russian journalist asks the coach of the Russian national team Fabio Capello:
                - Who do you think will become the next champion of Russia: CSKA, Zenit, Lokomotiv or maybe Spartak?
                “I would bet on the Donetsk Miner,” Capello answered with a little thought.
                - And what about Dynamo Dynamo? - the sarcastic voice of the Ukrainian correspondent is heard from the back row.
                - I do not know. Polish Championship I never really interested ...
              3. mark2
                mark2 30 May 2014 17: 02
                0
                Today it was shown only on TV. Alive, healthy and even cut his hair or something.
          2. Vyalik
            Vyalik 30 May 2014 12: 47
            0
            Quote: alexneg
            And something completely disappeared somewhere from the view of Kolo-Pomoysky? Is he still alive?

            Kazakhstani "Vanga" said that he was a corpse for a long time, and instead of him a double. I do not know how much the truth.
        3. demon184
          demon184 30 May 2014 09: 02
          +1
          It’s only the color of chocolate, and the taste is g.v.n.s.
        4. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 30 May 2014 09: 39
          0
          Quote: Sibiryak
          Well, why are you like that, THERE IS EVERYTHING IN CHOCOLATE, only chocolate turns out to be different!

          More precisely - that the color of chocolate. Everything is as it can be said in the article if Russia does not claim its legal rights ...
        5. CALL.
          CALL. 30 May 2014 10: 08
          0
          Quote: Sibiryak
          If Poroshenko does not achieve their return, then I think he will want to turn these regions into ruins,

          Deja vu. "So do not get you to anyone!" - Ostrovsky "Dowry", words by Yuliy Kapitonovich Karandyshev.
        6. Cherdak
          Cherdak 30 May 2014 11: 41
          +1
          Quote: Sibiryak
          THERE IS ALL IN CHOCOLATE

          Slightly change the old joke:

          Poroshenko calls Obama and proudly declares:
          - I know how to make soft creamy chocolate from govn in Ukraine.
          The State Department instantly gives him money through the IMF, provides the military to protect democratic secrets and the most modern equipment.
          After a year they ask:
          - Well, how did it work?
          - While it is impossible to eat, but it is already smeared perfectly.
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 30 May 2014 08: 49
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The article was probably written a year ago

        And the article says:
        In fact, what happened was just the appointment of Petro Poroshenko to the post of head of the Ukrainian state.
        The author is a visionary, a year ago he knew everything.
      3. Tor hummer
        Tor hummer 30 May 2014 09: 38
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The article was probably written a year ago

        No, the article is very fresh, written after May 25. Because in it Poroshenko is called the elected president.
      4. Very old
        Very old 30 May 2014 09: 59
        +1
        It was possible not to write a year ago, there was never one, even the Ukrainian Cossacks were divided.
        Left-bank, right-bank - even Tarapunka and Plugs made fun of such a division
        1. GDP
          GDP 30 May 2014 10: 26
          +5
          And yet, the junta managed something — to crush the opposition throughout Ukraine, so that no one can utter a word. An exception is only Donetsk and Lugansk regions ...
          At the same time, the DPR controls at best 60% of the region, and the LPR 40-50%
          The situation there is difficult and it is not known how long they will survive without the help of Russia, especially after they began to block oxygen now - salaries, pensions, medicines and more ...
      5. avt
        avt 30 May 2014 10: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The article was probably written a year ago

        laughing good A year has passed - it's finally over! And in our jokes, they mocked the Chukchi, and any Chukchi from the plague compared to these "analysts" Socrat Diogenovich, wise by life experience!
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    3. invisibility
      invisibility 30 May 2014 08: 30
      +12
      The terms of the dialogue were outlined by Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg.
      What are the conditions in FIG!
      It’s impossible to agree with the fascists! They must be destroyed!
      Does history really teach anything?
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 30 May 2014 08: 36
        +13
        Europe does not need gas wars, but they are so beneficial for America.
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 30 May 2014 08: 43
          +3
          Quote: Barboskin
          Europe does not need gas wars

          Today seems to be the deadline for payments! We are waiting for the evening, if there are no payments then ... June 3 at 10 in the morning ... gas will be cut, they will block! what
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 08: 47
            +4
            Quote: Sid.74
            Today seems to be the deadline for payments

            Hi Zhenya! Expired hi But the chocolate hare, such a dumb bastard, did not pay for gas. - O-O-O. Let Novorossia buy coal laughing
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 30 May 2014 09: 15
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Expired

              Greetings, Alexander! hi So is it until the evening of the thirtieth, like? Today they meet again in the EU on gas issues! I feel they’ll try to drop into the departing train at the last minute! They will give a deposit to 2,5 lard and again brains to compost us and the EU! In July, payment will be 5,2! That's the counter !!! fellow

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Let Novorossia buy coal laughing
              So it’s necessary to sell to a neighboring country, the export loss is a duty! Again, eggs have to demand a discount!laughing
      2. Andrenaline
        Andrenaline 30 May 2014 08: 38
        +3
        Maybe in a year she’ll break up purely topographically? With mapping new boundaries? request smile
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 08: 40
        +10
        Quote: invisible
        The terms of the dialogue were outlined by Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg.
        What are the conditions in FIG!

        If the conditions for surrender are not met, then .....
        1. Prometey
          Prometey 30 May 2014 08: 53
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If the conditions for surrender are not met, then .....

          Tired, lay down to rest
        2. andj61
          andj61 30 May 2014 10: 18
          +1
          Oh, inspired by:
          The soldier is always healthy
          The soldier is ready for anything, -
          And dust, like carpets,
          We knock out of the roads.

          And don't stop,
          And do not change legs, -
          Our faces are shining
          The shoes sparkle!

          On the scorched plain -
          Meter meter -
          Go to Ukraine
          The soldiers of the group "Center".

          On the "first-second" calculate!
          First second...
          First step forward! - and to heaven.
          First second...
          And every second is also a hero, -
          Heaven will go after you.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 19
            0
            Probably a "popular" continuation:
            And we will overcome everything
            And all the same with our hands
            And do not rust for a long time
            Soldier bayonets.

            Across the scorched plain
            Behind the meter meter -
            Go to Ukraine
            Soldiers of the Center group,
            Soldiers of the Center group!
        3. Horst78
          Horst78 30 May 2014 10: 40
          +3
          Tired of probably not killing Aryans, so lay down to sleep FOREVER
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      5. RBLip
        RBLip 30 May 2014 09: 02
        +10
        Quote: invisible
        The terms of the dialogue were outlined by Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg.

        More specifically Churkin said. he does not know how Ukrainians are going to dance ... laughing
        1. Docent1984
          Docent1984 30 May 2014 11: 09
          +5
          Hto ne skache, that Churkin fellow
      6. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 11
        0
        Quote: invisible
        Does history really teach anything?

        T.S. Shaov has a song "39,1". There the ending is wonderful: "There is a smell of garbage heaps, the bully is tormenting the dog,
        So what does life teach us? Yes, she does not teach anything! "
    4. Sid.74
      Sid.74 30 May 2014 08: 40
      +4
      Quote: COLUN
      Why in a year? She has already split!

      This means state structures! They’ll just be gone in a couple of months! By the middle of summer, everything will probably happen! Then soon new payments will come to all Ukrainians, on June 1, I feel the remnants of the middle class will go to the Maidan and not 20 students! And they will meet chocolate parashenka at the inauguration already with the Maidan and not with the sovereign mace!lol
    5. Naum
      Naum 30 May 2014 09: 01
      +2
      De facto, yes, it split, but de jure continues to remain unitary. Everything will finally fall apart when the civil war engulfs the entire Outskirts. Its epicenter will be Kiev. I suppose that for the sake of "putting things in order" the western regions are "temporarily" occupied by Poland, Zakrpattia by Hungary, Odessa by Romania. Well, they will not remain observers on the South-East. This is how the centennial unsuccessful experiment of creating an "independent one" will end. It is simply impossible to create a state from above by decrees and decrees. This process comes from the people, from below. Or it doesn't.
      1. andj61
        andj61 30 May 2014 10: 20
        +8
        Quote: Naum
        I suppose that for the sake of "putting things in order" the western regions are "temporarily" occupied by Poland, Zakrpattia by Hungary, Odessa by Romania.

        Odeschin - we will not give up!
    6. gandalf
      gandalf 30 May 2014 09: 05
      +4
      Why in a year? She has already split!


      Here they are ... Essstooonsssskie Annnaiaaliyatiiiikkii. laughing
    7. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 30 May 2014 09: 21
      +5
      Ukraine still exists, but "United Ukraine" is really gone, the process of disintegration is practically irreversible.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 30 May 2014 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        "United Ukraine" really does not exist anymore, the process of disintegration is practically irreversible.

        As one blogger said: “I agree to be a Ukrainian of Novorosia, the Dnieper republic, the Donetsk-Black Sea federation ... Just save me from the Ukrainian Ukraine with its Galicia and its“ values. ”Let these values ​​be left to themselves along with the name and Bandera trident . "

        And I'll add! Svidomye and other "spiteful critics" of all stripes will not understand the most important thing - people want to break away from this abscess !!!
    8. Akvadra
      Akvadra 30 May 2014 09: 24
      +6
      Everyone knows who enjoys the fruits of revolution. Surprise people who came to the Maidan. They didn’t know how it would end or thought that this time everything would be different? With good intentions, the road to hell is lined. You still have gentlemen revolutionaries!
    9. armageddon
      armageddon 30 May 2014 09: 34
      +2
      Hmm ... I agree the BEGINNING of the end ... Now let them DOWNLOAD ... !!!
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    11. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 30 May 2014 10: 04
      +1
      Why in a year? She has already split!
      UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!

      Life has shown ... that it is impossible to combine fire and water ... black and white and leave everything in its original form. It did not work out of two worldviews ... of two completely different carriers of social psychology to create a single state. And sadly, the sooner this happens de jure ... the faster the fratricidal war ends with many victims.
      DRINK DRINK ALREADY LATE! And it's time for DOCTOR PUTIN not only to give an assessment of what happened, but to determine clearly and specifically not how much the diagnosis is, but ... most importantly, to determine the TREATMENT INSTRUMENTS IMPOSSIBLE IN UKRAINE.
      Well, western Ukraine, the Galicians will have to go and work for themselves ... and not force money out of SEI ... live at the expense of others.
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  2. domokl
    domokl 30 May 2014 08: 31
    +8
    Perhaps the author wrote this article a long time ago ... A split has already occurred ... Nobody can now return Crimea. Nobody can force the DNI and LC to come under the control of Kiev. Nobody can reconcile the blood of the dead citizens of the former state ...
  3. Cosmos1987
    Cosmos1987 30 May 2014 08: 32
    +10
    This always happens with countries in which a revolution has occurred.
    I would put it a little differently. This is always the case with countries where the dermocracy comes ...
    1. from punk
      from punk 30 May 2014 08: 51
      +10
      Quote: Cosmos1987
      I would put it a little differently. This is always the case with countries where the dermocracy comes ...

      happens to countries where the American eagle carries democracy
      1. maximus235
        maximus235 30 May 2014 13: 05
        +1
        It would be interesting to count the number of bullet holes in the jerk who would dare to throw a Molotov cocktail at the democratic Amer cop.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 30 May 2014 19: 03
        +1
        Well, that's exactly American.
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/946/wzle419.jpg
      3. siberalt
        siberalt 30 May 2014 19: 03
        +1
        Well, that's exactly American.
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/946/wzle419.jpg
  4. yulka2980
    yulka2980 30 May 2014 08: 34
    +3
    Nothing will be as before, it is clear to everyone except the junta. They think we will bomb the Southeast, and then again we will begin to milk
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 30 May 2014 08: 36
    +1
    Ukraine as a normal prosperous state will not be for a very long time ... the path of federalization is possible ... while it is possible ... but the more blood the less likely ...
    The flow of refugees and others whose quiet protest is expressed by the desire to leave will increase.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 May 2014 08: 41
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Ukraine as a normal prosperous state will not be for a very long time

      Never again!
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 30 May 2014 09: 00
      +6
      Quote: silberwolf88
      Ukraine as a normal prosperous state will not be for a very long time ...

      I went for the sake of interest in the Ukrainian forum, to read what our neighbors write.
      This is a real piz ... c! So they write there that at last Ukraine has embarked on its own path of development and will only be stronger every year. At the same time, the Ukrainian "hawks" all without exception believe that the Russian Federation is falling apart, and the poor fellow Putin no longer knows how to live on. Moreover, according to their forecasts, Crimea will return to Ukraine in a year or two. the Crimeans themselves will run away from the rapidly impoverished and crumbling rashka (as it is customary to write there). At the same time, the meager Banderist intellect does not produce any arguments, no figures or analytics, only primitive Neanderthal hatred and emotions.
      1. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 30 May 2014 10: 09
        +4
        .... what our neighbors write. This is a real fuck ... c!

        .... the worst thing is that most of the country's inhabitants still believe in it ... My friends, especially from the west of Ukraine, just emanate foam in anger and ...
        And this is the worst!
        1. Docent1984
          Docent1984 30 May 2014 11: 16
          +4
          Why do you need such "friends"? And even from damned Galicia? Maybe you should reconsider your relationship with them? I also had one like this - and not a friend, and not an enemy - a friend ... Now an enemy. I told him so - after Odessa, anyone who supports the current government is a fascist for me. A fascist is an enemy with no options.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 30 May 2014 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: Docent1984
            Why do you need such "friends"?

            This question also arose. Moreover, when asked what exactly the Russians and Russia did to you, no one can clearly answer. But how convenient it is to blame someone for their political and socio-economic insolvency.
            1. Docent1984
              Docent1984 30 May 2014 13: 45
              +1
              Maybe it’s impossible to say so, but, having recently looked at the pig-like faces of the population of Galicia (the day before the elections they were asked questions about the candidates in the streets), this zapadenskie, "workers", who, apart from the reluctant cultivation of rutabagas, know nothing in life , I decided for myself one thing - "go to *** those who are trying to prove to me that these are also the same people with me, only" lost "... I do not want to have anything to do with them.
            2. washi
              washi 30 May 2014 14: 09
              +2
              Quote: Prometey
              Quote: Docent1984
              Why do you need such "friends"?

              This question also arose. Moreover, when asked what exactly the Russians and Russia did to you, no one can clearly answer. But how convenient it is to blame someone for their political and socio-economic insolvency.

              So they are cunning, they use the decor with might and main.
              "Refugees" from Crimea and Donbass, Maidan residents want to get apartments and jobs in Kiev.
              The same refugees in the Russian Federation want citizenship, work, housing. I understand women and children, but the "men" also run.
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      3. andj61
        andj61 30 May 2014 10: 22
        +1
        These are just some mantras or spells!
      4. Sour
        Sour 30 May 2014 10: 31
        -1
        Quote: Prometey
        In this case, the meager Bandera intellect does not produce any arguments, any numbers and analytics,

        Yes, we, too, are full of those who believe in the imminent collapse of the United States. Although Ukraine is still inadequate, it is still more.
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 30 May 2014 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: silberwolf88
      They think we bomb the southeast, and then we start milking again

      They already with their anti-terrorist operation cannot stop themselves! It will be necessary to take stock .... what are the results here?
      The killing of civilians and the further impoverishment of the population.
      And so all the attention of the people to the database, who supports, who rejects, the main thing is that no one thinks “what then?” They hope the war will write off everything. Not write off. Aggravate.
      But if you stop now, you have to deal with state affairs, and the juntas cannot and do not want to.
      Conclusion. As long as these hoopoes are in power, the war will not stop!
    4. Docent1984
      Docent1984 30 May 2014 11: 12
      +3
      My friends from the LPR say that they are already ready to rip their heads off by stuttering about "federalization." For these people, Ukraine no longer exists. Finally. It's time for us to stop using the expressions "Lugansk region" and "Donetsk region" in our speech.
      1. washi
        washi 30 May 2014 14: 12
        0
        Quote: Docent1984
        My friends from the LPR say that they are already ready to rip their heads off by stuttering about "federalization." For these people, Ukraine no longer exists. Finally. It's time for us to stop using the expressions "Lugansk region" and "Donetsk region" in our speech.

        I already agree with them.
        Now we must speak of the Lugansk, Kherson and other republics as part of the Novorossiysk confederation.
    5. ldimon
      ldimon 30 May 2014 12: 38
      0
      now - no. The many years of war, (the Russian spirit is still alive, the awareness of involvement in the Russian soul is still alive) is provided.
  6. aud13
    aud13 30 May 2014 08: 39
    +3
    Quote: Sibiryak
    Quote: COLUN
    UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!

    Well, why are you like that, THERE IS EVERYTHING IN CHOCOLATE, only chocolate turns out to be different!

    This chocolate, in which Ukraine is now located, is brown and smells bad. That is, it seems to have already eaten it once ...
  7. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 30 May 2014 08: 39
    +3
    A group of US congressmen sent a letter to NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, in which they urged to buy or lease the Mistral helicopter carriers being built by France for Russia, Reuters reports.

    A contract worth 1,2 billion euros for the construction of two French helicopter carriers for the Russian Navy was signed in June 2011. It is expected that the first ship "Vladivostok" will enter service with the Russian fleet in 2014, the second, "Sevastopol" - in 2015.
    Launching of the Russian helicopter carrier Vladivostok in France
    © RIA Novosti. Daniil Nizamutdinov
    Experts: France can transfer only one Mistral out of two to Russia
    According to congressmen, the acquisition of ships will strengthen NATO’s potential at a time when many participating countries will cut military spending, as well as reassuring alliance partners in Central and Eastern Europe.

    "Such a purchase will send a strong signal to President Putin that NATO will not tolerate or in any way condone his reckless actions. laughing ", - the agency quotes the text of the letter at its disposal.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20140530/1009937856.html#ixzz33AdAglib
    1. asar
      asar 30 May 2014 08: 58
      +7
      I don’t even know whether to cry or laugh at the Congress, the State Department, the stupid clown with his silly "entourage"! What will they come up with tomorrow ?! Each new decision is dumber and funnier than the previous one! Faced a serious obstacle, Russia is too tough for you ?! This is not a third world country with AUGs to hammer !!! In Afghanistan, Iraq - everything was "fucked up"! In Syria, in fact, "bummer"! Iran has turned out to be a "tough nut to crack"! The Saudis are not following the "fairway"! Geyropa is "kicking"! China is strengthening, one gas contract with Russia is worth what !!! The "protégé" of PARAShenko is inadequate in his judgments, as well as his whole so-called. "command"! Lat. America is "leaning" more and more towards an alliance with Russia! Yes, just from everything (but that's not all!) Of the listed in time they will go crazy !!! "Poor, unhappy" Americans! It's only the beginning! laughing
      1. Dimy4
        Dimy4 30 May 2014 09: 18
        +2
        Alas, for their next stupid people in different parts of the world have to pay with their lives.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 30 May 2014 15: 16
        0
        Well, the fact that they did not attack Syria and Iran is our merit. We chatted with Iran - commissions, sixes, negotiations, etc. After all these negotiations, which the monkey has already called the victory of the United States, an attack on Iran would be stupid, especially if earlier they could have hoped for the participation of the Eureks, now only Israel is ready to bomb. Well, we saved Syria with our veto, and the United States and Syria will remember this for a long time.
    2. armageddon
      armageddon 30 May 2014 09: 44
      +3
      Hmm ... The flag in their hands ... The Mistral was built taking into account the installation of Russian weapons ... PLUS the payment is unstable ... PPC !!! THE EXPENSIVE MISTRAL ISSUE ... So the FLAG is in their hands ... !!!
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    4. andj61
      andj61 30 May 2014 10: 24
      +2
      And what will they do with these helicopter carriers? That's right, buy helicopters and weapons from us! It is already under our redesigned.
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 30 May 2014 08: 43
    +9
    Ukraine can flourish, or even simply exist only as part of Russia (USSR?). Unfortunately for the "new Ukrainians" this idea is laughed at!
    1. Makarych
      Makarych 30 May 2014 09: 19
      +4
      Not only laughed at. This thought is a nightmare of the "new Ukrainians". You will have to sign a sentence to yourself for your actions. But Russia is to blame for everything and everything is in CHOCOLATE. There is a lot that has not yet been stolen in Ukraine, there is still room to shove playful little hands.
  9. asar
    asar 30 May 2014 08: 44
    +2
    dill has already "collapsed"! Initially, everything will look like the collapse of Yugoslavia, and then ...! Then Somalia and Libya and so on ...!
  10. Alll1
    Alll1 30 May 2014 08: 50
    +2
    Hopefully, "independent" Ukraine will soon become history. (I wanted to upload a video from a computer, something doesn't work) repeat
  11. tank64rus
    tank64rus 30 May 2014 08: 50
    +1
    The Kiev junta has done and is doing EVERYTHING that Ukraine ceases to exist as a state.
  12. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 30 May 2014 08: 52
    +1
    Yes, you already forget about Ukraine after these super elections a new state will appear in the column nationality will be written American-European crest and the state is called anarchist freemen if it is so soft fool
  13. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 30 May 2014 08: 53
    +1
    For which the Ukronazists fought, they ran into something.
  14. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 30 May 2014 08: 54
    +2
    Ukraine has already split, it is no more
    1. Zverboy
      Zverboy 30 May 2014 17: 05
      0
      Huh, huh? Bury Ukraine early. I believe that common sense and common people will win. And the current temporary workers are not eternal, burn them in fiery hell.
  15. zzz
    zzz 30 May 2014 08: 55
    +1
    The terms of the dialogue were outlined by Vladimir Putin in St. Petersburg.

    Putin is also not interested in disintegration, and therefore dialogue.
  16. Mercenary
    Mercenary 30 May 2014 09: 00
    +3
    I called my friends in Nikolaev: they are fine, everyone is happy, they are not going to any federation, no one is offending them or shooting at them, and they are happy with Kiev. So, that Ukraine is unlikely to break up, the people have not yet ripened, and their brains are well cleared by famines and similar husks.
    1. ROD VDVshny
      ROD VDVshny 30 May 2014 11: 23
      +5
      There is one friend ma'am from my cheerful lieutenant - captain's youth repeat
      Lives in Kharkov, Russian woman. We communicate sometimes in classmates. Well, he regrets very much that now it is impossible to go on holiday to rest in Crimea without a hitch. I am firmly convinced that in a year or two everything will return to normal. All in anticipation of rain from European manna. He carefully asks how we live there in terrible Russia. After all, we are rolling into the abyss. lol
      Resistance in the Southeast perceives as several gangs of armed partisans, rummaging through the bushes and shooting at the valiant urcoarmy, at the same time frightening the local population. Provides me with links to UkropOSMI how true things are laughing Very upset by the fall of the hryvnia, but ready to suffer laughing And abroad will help with gas, already "everything has been decided and seized." Several times I wondered if I was helping these partisans, although she knew that the infection was such that I was in reserve. All this could be written off according to the principle "what to take from a woman?", But here she drove me, by mistake, as I suppose, a message ... communicated with her relative, seriously discussing that it is possible to make good money on Russians now, they promise good money to pay volunteers, shouldn't her son go to work with his father-in-law ... belay
      1. Sour
        Sour 30 May 2014 12: 25
        +1
        Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
        All waiting for rain from European manna

        They have all of Ukraine in this expectation. Already 23 years old.
        Quote: CONNECTING ROD VDVshny
        He carefully asks how we live there in terrible Russia. After all, we are rolling into the abyss.

        Even when they die of hunger, they will still be sure of it.
        In vain do some believe that economic problems will heal ukrov. Nothing will cure them. All their national identity is based on one thought only - they are, by definition, more successful and prosperous people than Russians. To abandon this myth is the same for them as to abandon themselves.
        seriously discussing that you can make good money in Russians now, they promise to pay good money to volunteers,

        This is also very typical of the "brotherly people"
      2. ldimon
        ldimon 30 May 2014 13: 00
        +4
        Hello dear. I worked in the GA four years ago, drove Zapadenskie shifts from oil shifts to the mainland. It always hurt = they work in Russia, they receive Russian money, but they say proudly and for the show: Thank God, I’m not M ... L. Since this year, Gaspromneft has not renewed the contract with the Zapadentsy. For what they prayed, they received it.
  17. Neighbor
    Neighbor 30 May 2014 09: 02
    +5
    They have long forgotten how to burn coal in Ukraine. It’s been in our Voronezh hinterland for 5 years that gas has been spent .... And how much work has been done to remake heating boilers. And to blame mo.skali.
  18. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 30 May 2014 09: 03
    +2
    Only one clarification — the revolution did not happen — it was organized and paid for!
  19. parusnik
    parusnik 30 May 2014 09: 03
    +2
    The dill guide itself digs a grave ... But it thinks the foundation pit for the foundation ..
  20. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 30 May 2014 09: 04
    +3
    Putin made it clear that he recognizes the current president of Ukraine.

    But Vladimir Vladimirovich did not say in what limits the president of Ukraine would rule.

    Poroshenko immediately after the election went on a campaign.

    Our shot down a helicopter.

    It will be funny if Poroshenko is caught - what, the Bandera will choose a new president?

    Or - again Turchinov will go?

    Ukraine in its current form is the end. Lugansk and Donetsk - provide up to a quarter of Ukraine’s GDP. If I do not confuse anything.

    Time will pass - and the starving Bandera will go to surrender.

    "Who doesn’t jump - that mo with kal!"

    And also -mos kal - this is the one who feeds and contains Bandera))))
  21. Negative
    Negative 30 May 2014 09: 05
    +2
    Quote: Sibiryak
    Quote: COLUN
    UKRAINE IS NO MORE !!!

    Well, why are you like that, THERE IS EVERYTHING IN CHOCOLATE, only chocolate turns out to be different!

    implicated in palm oil, about to eat it up and there will be a banana independence
  22. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 30 May 2014 09: 07
    +1
    The split of Ukraine began 23 years ago .. In essence, Ukraine as a state never existed .. It was given a chance and solid compensation is all just ... and it’s stupidly stupid and now they are killing each other by blowing their cheeks and puffing themselves up to build something .. All a curtain!
  23. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 30 May 2014 09: 10
    +1
    Snickers for this and exists to be eaten !!!
  24. DMB3000
    DMB3000 30 May 2014 09: 11
    0
    we are in constant ambush.
  25. maxim1
    maxim1 30 May 2014 09: 14
    +1
    Quote: Mercenary
    I called my friends in Nikolaev: they are fine, everyone is happy with everything they’re not going to any federation

    They are afraid - Odessa is nearby ... Telephone calls can be monitored. Or small oligarchs.

    After the collapse of Ukraine, no Somalia and its ilk will be for an elementary simple reason - Russia does not need this - it will not allow a hotbed of instability near its borders. Then the author of the article got it. Something scares something. Leberast, or what?
    1. DMB3000
      DMB3000 30 May 2014 09: 18
      0
      external enemy - brings together.
      1. Alll1
        Alll1 30 May 2014 09: 26
        +6
        Quote: DMB3000
        external enemy - brings together.
  26. irat
    irat 30 May 2014 09: 18
    +2
    The Kiev authorities, according to them, are carrying out a sweep of the SE from "terrorists" and the restoration of the constitutional order using the army. Everyone heard that the Russian president called what was happening a crime. However, the expected practical actions on his part did not follow and, most likely, are not expected. Moreover, Russian troops were withdrawn despite desperate calls from the bleeding SE for help. The question is, why did he enlist the support of the State Duma and the Federation Council on the use of the Russian Armed Forces? Different thoughts come. Now, during this kind of counter-terrorist operation to restore constitutional order in Chechnya, for example, the city of Grozny, we remember, was razed to the ground! For some reason it was not called a crime ... and there were so many victims among the civilian population! And isn't that why we are "silent in a rag"?
    1. xbhxbr-777
      xbhxbr-777 30 May 2014 10: 00
      +1
      You don’t understand, don’t write nasty things, everyone perfectly understands that we cannot intervene, since the Americans are waiting for this to deliver a nuclear strike against Russia, because the war will not be on the American continent, but on ours! Do you want this ?! And Ukraine , only an excuse, for this everything was done by the Americans! That's so dear! For a long time they would have intervened, if not for it! ....
    2. andj61
      andj61 30 May 2014 10: 27
      +2
      Quote: irat
      For some reason this was not called a crime ..

      Because BEFORE this was the massacre of the peaceful Russian population.
  27. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 30 May 2014 09: 20
    +3
    RUSSIA should help NEW RUSSIA with all its might so that it destroys this junta not only at home, but throughout UKRAINE. drinks soldier
  28. b.t.a.
    b.t.a. 30 May 2014 09: 25
    0
    Quote: COLUN
    Most likely there will be a split of the state into parts with an uncertain status. To rule them will be temporary workers, regional barons, in some ways similar to the Russian 90's period. They will have not only their voter, but even the local army. The central Ukrainian government will be ephemeral, the situation will become similar to the Somali one. So it always happens with the countries in which the revolution happened.


    That's just what the US State Department is seeking. In this situation, you can always enter the military contingent at the request of the specific prince. In general, divide and conquer.


  29. Ilik
    Ilik 30 May 2014 09: 41
    +1
    "Who doesn’t jump - that mo with kal!"

    And also -mos kal - this is the one who feeds and contains Bandera))))


    laughing while they jump))
  30. Giant thought
    Giant thought 30 May 2014 09: 55
    +1
    There is no single Ukraine now, and it will never be in the form that it was 21.02.2014.
  31. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 30 May 2014 10: 07
    +4
    It’s a pity that in a previously rich country like Ukraine, with magnificent lands, in fact with kind and helpful people, there was no patriotic leader, such as B. Khmelnitsky at one time. Why did the hypocrites come in the form of Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovich and now Powder, who galloped and galloped for themselves, while stripping not only their people, but also Russia through gas and oil, were obsessed and crawled on their knees in front of the geyropa with the chimeric hope that they would be received, cunning and stolen in their original way built and no less thievish geyropeysky world. And now he is blown away for all the common people, among whom there are swaggering with tricks in the American manner about the peculiarity and independence (only from Russia, but not from the West) of the Ukrainian nation. Something will come next ...
    1. Sour
      Sour 30 May 2014 12: 34
      +1
      Quote: Anchonsha
      what was B. Khmelnitsky at one time

      Khmelnitsky also did not rely on the whole of Ukraine, only on its part.
      But in general, you are right that the main problem of Ukraine is the lack of unity.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 31
        0
        Quote: Sour
        Khmelnitsky also did not rely on the whole of Ukraine, only on its part.

        Hops relied on the "offended" part of the "Cossacks", who were not included in the reestr. "Treason is in the blood of the Little Russians, in the genetic memory. Who was Orthodox — that Russian. Whoever was Uniate — that Ukrainian.
  32. mamont5
    mamont5 30 May 2014 10: 20
    +1
    "This always happens with countries in which a revolution happened."

    Yes, I have long understood - every revolution is EVIL!
  33. max422
    max422 30 May 2014 11: 01
    0
    “In a year, I think, there will be no united Ukraine - it will split into parts”

    too optimistic forecast
  34. jovanni
    jovanni 30 May 2014 11: 09
    +1
    And if you jump higher and longer? Can it settle down? It will not grow together, you can still shout. Well, there, like ... UKRA-INA-CEIV-ROPPA!
  35. Crazyzyear
    Crazyzyear 30 May 2014 11: 17
    +1
    The refusal of federalization will lead to the fact that Ukraine will actually disintegrate, becoming similar to Somalia


    A "Ukrainian horn" with Ukrainian pirates on scows will appear. We will have to involve UN international forces to combat this disease. laughing
  36. Stinger
    Stinger 30 May 2014 12: 11
    +1
    Perhaps it will be so. They were not going to think and work there and are not going to. They rode for a long time. Brains shook out.
  37. northern
    northern 30 May 2014 12: 20
    +1
    Ukraine has never been truly united before, and in the light of recent events, the chances of a single state are nil. External and internal forces have done everything for the collapse and split of the country. For economic reasons, ideological, political. The point of no return has already been passed, but to the bottom is still far away. That's just, before it becomes even a little better, it will be very much worse.
  38. Bayun
    Bayun 30 May 2014 13: 01
    0
    The members of the forum are rightly noticing: in Ukraine, EVIL rules the ball. In essence, the situation resembles the church schism of Peter the Great. This is OUR RUSSIAN dispute about who is the first and older: Moscow or Kiev (And, to be honest, Muscovy Rus is from Kiev, and not otherwise ...). "Ukrainianness", "Banderaism" and "Westernism" are the clothes of the offended. And in our hearts: "We gave you RUSSIA, the Russian faith, and you regretted our gas!" To be honest, we did not respect them. And what does RUSSIAN do when he is "not respected"? That's right, he spits on everything: on money, on the logic of life, and sometimes on the truth, and BATTLES (even on the side of evil) is a very, even simple and understandable position for the Russian soul. What to do? CONCERN.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 35
      0
      Quote: Bayun
      БЪETSYA

      БЬETS .. Do not confuse "hard" with "soft".
  39. serge
    serge 30 May 2014 13: 41
    +1
    Country not found.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 May 2014 21: 38
      0
      Quote: serge
      Country not found

      Left and right are the walls of the vagina. In the center there is a "closed" "peeeniiisss".
  40. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 30 May 2014 13: 48
    +3
    Crimea is just the beginning !!! drinks
  41. Egoza
    Egoza 30 May 2014 14: 27
    +1
    Even if you believe the official results - it turns out:
    about 10 million people voted for Poroshenko in the elections all over Ukraine
    and in referenda for the separation of 5 million people. total accumulated in just two regions!
    I mean, though the people are silent and afraid to speak, but if the wave rolls, then it will support NEW RUSSIA!
    I really hope that this year the country NOVOROSSIA will be recognized de jure.
  42. RUSS
    RUSS 30 May 2014 14: 42
    +1
    The refusal of federalization will lead to the fact that Ukraine will actually disintegrate, becoming similar to Somalia


    The fact is that federalization will not help either, the flywheel is launched.
  43. Bobfia
    Bobfia 30 May 2014 14: 45
    +1
    Now Ukraine (western and central regions) is united by the idea of ​​an external threat, and it is too early to expect that it will crumble like a house of cards. An understanding should mature in society that hopes for the EU and the United States in improving living standards are illusory ... (If suddenly a new real "Marshall Plan" is not born in opposition to us) War weariness should accumulate - if it is God forbid will continue ... And at the same time, there must be a real alternative in the person of the same DPR and LPR ...
    I would like to believe that Donbass will not be crushed, that the movement will gain momentum there, and that while there are several centers (Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Lugansk, Donetsk) - this is not enough, it is necessary that their entire territory is gradually controlled by the militia, so that new high frequency and areas are taken under control borders. So it's too early to wave a saber and say that everything has already fallen apart ... While a hefty piece has fallen out, there are neutral areas of the southeast, in which it is not yet clear where it will swing. And there is a consolidated center and the West, absolutely confident in their righteousness, in the help of the West and the victory of the so-called. ATO in the east. This confidence must be shaken. Only then can one say that "that's about it ..."
  44. Tolerast
    Tolerast 30 May 2014 15: 21
    +1
    Well, you're just a captain of evidence! A single Urkaina will no longer be! I would also say that we have snow in the winter ... fellow
  45. Russian German65
    Russian German65 30 May 2014 18: 16
    0
    There will be no former Ukraine ... this is a fact ... but we won’t give up the west of Ukraine to Europe .... let it be bitten ... not a shred from the old one and I hope the future of the Russian Empire ... to clean up from Bandera .... to fix the rest of the brains ..
  46. siberalt
    siberalt 30 May 2014 19: 05
    0
    The leg of American democracy set foot on fragile Ukraine. What's next or already?
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/545/tzin194.jpg
  47. scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 30 May 2014 23: 22
    0
    Give grandmother - we'll see ... Here it is, the main motto of our time. God, how tired of all this.
  48. nomad74
    nomad74 31 May 2014 01: 49
    0
    Quote: Akvadra
    Everyone knows who enjoys the fruits of revolution. Surprise people who came to the Maidan. They didn’t know how it would end or thought that this time everything would be different? With good intentions, the road to hell is lined. You still have gentlemen revolutionaries!


    Yes, on the Maidan there was basically a dumb herd from western Ukraine trained in the camps of the Poles! They are stupid and dumb, which means they are blind!