Main battle tank T-72B4

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Imagine that you are a fan of cars brand Mersedes-Benz. And here comes a new model that you would like to purchase. Smooth polished sides. Powerful engine. 20-inch "rollers". Brilliant grille with a three-beam star. And now you are already looking at this “unit” with lust, at the same time wondering where to take the missing amount. But then suddenly the company decides that the car is prohibitively expensive, and begin actions to reduce the cost of cars. Without bumpers this car will go? And what - go. We remove. Without mirrors this car will go? Will go. We remove. And why do we need 20-inch wheels with 225 rubber? We remove and put stamped R13 with narrow and high-profile rubber "Taganka". Will go? Will go. Lights - also a luxury. Remove and replace plugs. In the end, these "improvements" you look dumbfounded at the resulting pepelats, and your mind is overwhelmed by conflicting feelings.



About the same feelings you feel when you look at the newest domestic serial copy of MBT called T-72B3. Moreover, neither aggressive propaganda, nor statements in the spirit of “not inferior to T-90” do not relieve you of the underlying feeling that somewhere there is something wrong with it. Here is this tank:

Main battle tank T-72B4

This unit is an upgrade of the well-known tank T-72B model 1985. The purpose of this modernization was to bring the fighting qualities of the T-72B tank to the level of the T-90A tank at the lowest possible cost. This is done in approximately this way. The old T-72B is brought to the factory and disassembled to the screw. Bad parts are replaced with new ones, and good ones are simply cleaned and sorted out. The hull, tower and other body parts are sandblasted, primed and repainted. Then they install a new 125-mm gun 2A46M5 and a new automatic loader, adapted for use with the latest BOPs of the latest generation “Lead-2”. The gunner receives an automated LMS as part of the new 4-channel SOSNA-U sight and new input information sensors. The commander receives a new VHF radio station of the R-168-25U-2 “Aqueduct” range. A new fire protection system (PPO) is installed. The observation complex of the TKN-3M commander is slightly improved. It turns out the so-called “Double” mode and is designated as TKN-3MK. Instead of the Kontakt-1 KNDZ, which well protected the old T-72B, several Kontakt-5 KVDZ blocks are mounted on the hull and turret of the tank, similar to the 72-80 T-1985BM and T-87U installed on the tank. Some changes are made to the chassis. Everything else remains unchanged. Including the engine. Pleasure is estimated at a modest 52 million rubles. The price of the new T-000A is approximately 000 million rubles, which is two and a half times more.

At the moment, contrary to the requirements of tankers, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation refused to purchase new T-90 tanks and completely switched to recruiting an army with T-72B3 tanks. Let's try to evaluate this model impartially. So let's start with firepower. The penetration power of the new projectiles increased by about 20% compared to those used by conventional T-72B. Accuracy increased in 1,7 times. The effective range of the day increased by about 1 km compared to the T-72B, and the effective range of night shooting increased about three times. At the same time, search capabilities have grown very slightly - and then only at the expense of the gunner’s equipment. Hello commander TKN-3MK. Due to the introduction of the “Double” mode, the reaction time to the target detected by the commander has somewhat decreased. Also, the commander from his position got the opportunity to see what the gunner sees, as he was placed on a separate monitor from the gunner’s OMS. The commander, contrary to popular opinion, cannot shoot a cannon from its place. When you click on a button, the tower simply turns around where the commander's device is looking, and the target comes into the view of the gunner. We had such a system still on the X-Numx X-model of the X-Numx heavy tank.

Tank security and increased, and weakened at the same time. On the one hand, Kontakt-5 KVDZ is a more serious defense than the old Kontakt Kontakt-1 T-72B. On the other hand, it is installed on the tower in chunks and sections, and on the side screens it is not at all. Mobility characteristics have not changed, since the engine and transmission remained the same.

In general, the design of the T-72B3 tank gives the impression of temporary hack, and unfinished. Especially this impression reinforces the new multichannel sight "Pine-U" installed so that osteochondrosis of the neck to the gunner is provided. Outside, the sight head is closed with a bolted cap. Open or close it, while under the protection of armor, it is absolutely impossible. In general, the T-72B3 is still significantly inferior to the well-developed T-90A tank. In addition, in some ways it is even inferior to its predecessor T-72B! In general, in this case we are again dealing with an obvious hack and will try to understand why.

To begin with, it’s worth explaining to the reader on the fingers how the tank’s appearance and its price is shaped. Option one. The customer, represented by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, draws up a so-called technical task (TZ), in which it forms all the requirements for a new tank. If a particular military man who does this is friends with his head, then the terms of reference will be correct. If he is at odds with the mind, then the TK may resemble the notes of a madman. In our case, the events seem to have evolved closer to the second option.

The next step is the contractor’s organization. Its representatives form the so-called commercial offer. This commercial offer contains a list of all new equipment with their TX, its cost and the cost of all related operations. After that, between the customer and the contractor, the final price is negotiated.

Option two. The customer represented by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation simply sets the price that the new tank is willing to pay, and the contractor, on the basis of this price, already forms a commercial proposal, based on his own ideas about what this new T-72 should look like.

With any of these options, both parties are responsible for the final appearance of the tank. If the customer wrote nonsense in the TK, and the contractor strictly recreated this nonsense in metal, then there are only three options:

• Customer idiot and contractor idiot.
• The customer is the injurer, and the contractor is an idiot.
• The customer is an idiot, and the contractor is a corrupter.

If the customer did not make up the TZ, but approved the nonsense proposed by the contractor, the scheme is the same. The stumbling block in this case, of course, is the price. The price is formed from:

1. Works on the bulkhead and repair of the base tank.
2. The cost of new equipment.
3. Cost of delivery of new equipment.
4. Works on installation and installation of new equipment.
5. Commissioning work.
6. Fees to various participants in this process (both from the contractor and the customer. As a rule, included in the price of equipment).

If the final price of the customer is not satisfied, and the contractor faces the problem of tightening up in price, then you need to know the following: under the conditions of current realities, the fees are unlikely to be too heavy. Rather, this savings will affect the new equipment.

Judging by the T-72B3, both sides of this project do not seem to care what the final product will look like.

Well, what can we, ordinary tankmen, do in this case? Silently accept and master the "new" tank? Let's say a decisive "no" to such an arrogant and devil-may-care attitude towards our lives and the defenses of our Motherland. It is clear that it is almost useless to talk constructively with brainless kids in uniform, but the workers of the wonderful factory in the Urals, by which first-class Russian motorcycles are named, should know something.

Of course, this is a business and “nothing personal”, but to take on such a project is simply to create an anti-advertisement for ourselves. Do you want the whole world to laugh at you later? And first of all, the Chinese, who from the same T-72 made a first-class main battle tank Type-99A2. (And even if a lot of things in it are not as perfect as ours.) What is it about the appearance that says that the Chinese have carefully approached the design of this tank.

TK on T-72B4 from tank crews.
Take T-72B3 modernized by serdyukovskim specialists and:

1. Add KVDZ "Contact-5" or "Relic" blocks to the tower so that they very tightly, without gaps, cover the entire frontal and upper projection of the tower. It is necessary to protect the cannon mask with a block like “pig snout” or “Wedge”. All this is very inexpensive.

2. Change the flimsy rubber-fabric side skirts for normal armor screens of armor 10-15 mm thick. Folding sections. From below, it is necessary to provide stops for them. How to do this, look at the type of tank "Centurion".

3. New screens are completely covered with elements of KNDZ "Contact-1", remaining in the bulkhead of the old T-72B. Up to the stern.

4. The same elements of KNDZ "Kontakt-1" attach to the stern sheet of the hull and wrap them with the top and sides of the tower, not covered with boxes. It will not cost anything, because elements KNDZ "Contact-1" go along with the old tank.

5. Did you think that equipping a new CIU tank is "inappropriate"? Well, put at least just GPS / GLONASS. Automobile widescreen navigator is mounted next to the commander's OMS monitor and costs about 30 000 rubles. Antenna is external.

6. Did you think that the tank commander, unlike the gunner, can do as old as a mammoth with the TKN-3 device? And what a cool system from the T-90A to put on a tank is too expensive? Good. On the roof of the tower mounted dome-controlled video camera with a smooth adjustment of the optical zoom in 1-30. The protective glass of this camera is replaced by armored or at least vandal resistant. From below, under the handles of TKN-3М, we are looking for a place for the PTZ block and the ZOOM camera control. For example, the same KDM-6658, but preferably with a joystick. At TKN-3MK itself, it is necessary to mount a huge widescreen monitor with an azimuth pointer to which the image of the low-level dome camera will be displayed. TKN-3MK itself remains as a backup. The cost of all this equipment will not exceed 150 000 - 200 000 rubles. It is nothing compared to the price for the whole tank.

7. The most important thing. Remove from the tank all non-mechanized ammunition. Due to this, the volume of internal fuel tanks increases. They must be made of thin armor 5 mm thick. The AZ itself (attention!) Is covered with a round upturned armored "glass" with armor thickness 50-100 mm. The hole for collecting trays with shots in this glass should be equipped with automatic shutters, which open only for the time of passage of the tray and close instantly after the projectile and charge is withdrawn from AZ. On both sides of the armored capsule AZ two holes should be made to which the venting channels should be fixed. Venting channels should go out at an angle from the back side in the roof of the hull at the corners of the tower and be supplied with special flaps. In this case, the survivability and security of the T-72B4 will be better than that of any existing tank today. Ammunition is located at the bottom in the most protected place. And if by some miracle it is possible to hit him, then from both sides at the rear corners of the tower two giant pillars of flame will rise into the sky, but the tankers inside will sweat a little. The case will end in the best case, the replacement of AZ and brewing holes. Offensive nickname T-72 "fried ass" will finally become the property stories.

8. Feed box zip to develop in size. To he stood for the tower on the 1,5 meter. In this box to make fixtures so that there can be transported as additional ammunition, and any other things. Attach a steel strip to three zabechenny zip drawers, from which metal chains with rubber balls at the ends should hang down with 5-7 steps. The balls should be dragged along the roof of the hull.

9. Mount the Sosna-U multichannel sight in place of the TPD-K1 sight and provide it with a cover that is controlled from the inside.

We want to see and master such a tank - instead of the unsuccessful product of PTUshnikov called T-72B3. The cost of alteration in T-72B4 ordinary T-72B order 60 000 000 rubles. The cost of bringing the T-72B3 to the standard T-72B4 is not more than 8 000 000 rubles. At the same time on the security and survivability of the T-72B4 will be the best tank in the world with a huge margin from the nearest competitor. On firepower, he will not yield T-90A. And on security even surpass it.
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  1. +8
    31 May 2014 08: 03
    Comments to the first part of the article: Thoughts of a camel: - "And what the hell to me all this tuning in the Arkhangelsk Zoo?"
    1. lapo32
      -12
      1 June 2014 16: 57
      Especially in modern combat, infantry fighting vehicles and more relevant
      1. Crang
        +11
        1 June 2014 18: 02
        This is nonsense, sorry. You tell the Syrian tank crew. Those who often have to advance along with tanks for landing / collecting infantrymen on cans called BMP-1 and BMP-2.
        1. Viktor64
          0
          3 June 2014 08: 40
          Syrians BMP-2 simply idolize, so do not carry nonsense. The BMP-1, in principle, has one drawback - tanks in the ass. Well, our tanks of the same Syrians are quite satisfied. There is a video in YouTube when at least 1 shots from an RPG are fired at T72, and he goes, the Syrians say there, but there are drawbacks, but whoever doesn’t have them, but the tanks are simple, reliable, unpretentious.
          1. Crang
            +3
            3 June 2014 12: 01
            No one worships. Under the outwardly polite restraint in evaluating the BMP-1/2, it reads in the eyes of the Syrian tankers that these are cans. Such enthusiasm as from the T-72AV in the case of the BMP-2 is not even closely observed.
  2. +26
    31 May 2014 08: 15
    In general, the design of the T-72B3 tank gives the impression of a temporary hack, and unfinished.
    You can’t say better ... And so, on issues of modernization, there are few desires, you have to try and experience all this ..., there are many questions ...
    ... Due to this, the volume of internal fuel tanks increases
    Not by much, the refueling volume will increase, but the weight will increase significantly ... Armor there, armor here ... It would be better if they took and made a "body kit" like the T90MS, and immediately unified all the tanks ... Yes, single the tank would have turned out to be more expensive, but thanks to unification, there would still be savings ...
    1. +4
      31 May 2014 09: 28
      Quote: svp67
      The armor is there, the armor is here ...

      That's right! laughing
      The article has a mix of previously expressed sensible suggestions and theoretical children's fabrications.
      Some fabrications are similar to comic sentences acquaintance to enclose his Patriot with a thick rubber-metal bumper, in connection with a large number of accidents in the city, like cars in amusement rides. lol
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      2. GRANATE-19
        +8
        1 June 2014 11: 51
        Here is the necessary picture and slogan in order to lure recruits into valiant tank troops:
  3. +20
    31 May 2014 08: 22
    I read it and don't know how to evaluate the material - critical or alarmist? I will wait for other comments, if we proceed from the article, then a tank that has undergone modernization is of little use for confronting the tanks of potential "partners", and from this it follows that the army does not get what it needs, but what it has enough money for. the role is also played by the eternal window dressing in numbers, so that the minister could state beautifully, "For example, 200 tanks have been purchased," will the Armata equipment follow the same principle? It is likely to be even more expensive than the T-90. As an evil irony, I would like to suggest that the oligarchs of Russia would have thrown themselves into a tank column of T-90s, it’s not expensive for them, and the population may consider them patriots.
    1. +13
      31 May 2014 11: 48
       Gray 43
      I read it and don't know how to evaluate the material - critical or alarmist? I will wait for other comments, if we proceed from the article, then the tank that has undergone modernization is of little use for confronting the tanks of potential "partners"

      I can only say that this tank can withstand the tanks of "probable partners", but modernization of the type: We wanted the best, but it turned out as always, if it did improve its combat qualities, then not by much. How have our tanks always differed from Western ones? The fact that everything was cheap and cheerful. THOSE. we have built some of the finest tanks in the world at the lowest cost. And here I don’t understand anything, there are costs, but the output is the same 72 with minor improvements. Or is everyone waiting for "Armata"? what So they also need to be produced, and this is the time! hi
    2. +12
      31 May 2014 13: 06
      In the Great Patriotic War, people threw themselves off ... one aunt bought a tank herself, learned to be a mechanic driver and fought on it, sorry, I don’t remember my last name. Hero of the Soviet Union. Posthumously.
      1. +34
        31 May 2014 14: 41
        Quote: balyaba
        In World War II, people threw themselves off.

        It is a fact. My grandmother Borodina P.E. in the years of the Second World War gave all family savings to a part of the tank. There is a thankful telegram from Joseph Vissarionovich.
        1. +31
          31 May 2014 16: 21
          Quote: com.pozer
          My grandmother Borodina P.E. in the years of the Second World War gave all family savings to a part of the tank. There is a thankful telegram from Joseph Vissarionovich.

          Vadim, accept my sincere respect for the tankman in front of your grandmother.
          love
          Take care of the telegram, it teaches better than any propaganda true patriotism.
          1. +19
            31 May 2014 19: 24
            During the war, even people from occupied territories were thrown off. When I read how the priest and the girl walked around the parishioners and gathered who could (what is the wedding ring, who was the salary from the family icon, who else was valuable), I could not restrain my tears!
            He can organize a fundraiser for a tank, which real tankers themselves will formulate, and not dolbots. Let the world calm down from the new T-XX (H), H - from the people. And to organize the people's control over the spending of people's funds. Along the way, a lot of unrighteous things will be revealed during the implementation of the state defense order. But, personally, I will not feel sorry for a single "effective manager". It will be useful to do business, to build ports on the northern seas with his hands - to develop the Arctic, descendants will be proud.
    3. +2
      2 June 2014 10: 26
      With 72B3, the thing is about the same, if translated into a civilian manner: "2005 bought a VAZ 2110 in 2014 gave it to AVTOVAZ there it was disassembled, repainted, changed the headlights, added an air conditioner from the viburnum (in comparison with the T-90) upholstery !!! Here you are ABSOLUTELY NEW VAZ 2110-2 ...
      Buy do not be shy just 1 wooden ... and how you like this is a new development !!!
  4. +5
    31 May 2014 08: 29
    And who is the minus of the article he got into?
    Name yourself ?!
    1. +3
      31 May 2014 08: 40
      It's not me . Today on the site is another article about tanks, already in 1999. so there is a photo of the T-72s 1998. So it seems to me more protected than the current modernization.
    2. +3
      31 May 2014 09: 37
      actually, plus there's nothing to put here
      1. 0
        31 May 2014 22: 54
        The defense budget is not rubber. What is more important now? Tanks or Navy, or something else?
        1. +3
          1 June 2014 00: 29
          Quote: Denimax
          The defense budget is not rubber. What is more important now? Tanks or Navy, or something else?

          Are you still asking ???
          .............
          Rubber !!!
          fellow
          .............
          Balance
          1. +1
            1 June 2014 00: 39
            I agree, it should be distributed according to importance.
            That is to be balanced.
    3. -2
      31 May 2014 20: 52
      Quote: ATATA
      And who is the minus of the article he got into?
      Name yourself ?!


      For example, I set. Since I have no reason to doubt the competence of these organizations (UKBTM, NPK Uralvagonzavod, NII TM, NIITs BT 3 Central Research Institute of the RF Ministry of Defense, NII Steel and many others) in tank building issues. They have repeatedly proved in practice the fidelity of the design decisions made, which I cannot say about the author of the article.
      1. Sledgehammer
        -1
        1 June 2014 04: 53
        Since I have no reason to doubt the competence of these organizations (UKBTM, NPK Uralvagonzavod, NII TM, NIITs BT 3 Central Research Institute of the RF Ministry of Defense, NII Steel and many others) in tank building issues.

        I agree.
        1. grandfather Anisim
          0
          16 June 2014 19: 05
          There is no doubt about the professionalism of research workers and personnel, but I have little doubt that the management of enterprises is greedy for easy money. Although it is not known for certain, I am inclined to conclude that they "warmed their hands" on these modernization contracts. Money and power spoil people.
      2. +1
        1 June 2014 14: 50
        Quote: srelock
        NPK Uralvagonzavod, NII TM, NIITS BT 3 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, NII Steel and many others) in tank building issues.

        I disagree. When an enterprise is given a price framework for the modernization of a product, they, with all their competence, must fit within this framework, at the cost of the "tuning" that the author wrote about. Be you three times a highly qualified specialist in your field, but the customer and the budget decide everything.hi
        1. +2
          1 June 2014 23: 01
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          When an enterprise is given a price framework for the modernization of a product, they, with all their competence, must fit within this framework, at the cost of the "tuning" that the author wrote about. Be you three times a highly qualified specialist in your field, but the customer and the budget decide everything.


          When designing a new or upgrading an old tank or any other technically complex object, a lot of factors are taken into account. Economic, not least, but decisive is the principle of reasonable sufficiency. This is a very complex, joint work of the customer, designer and contractor (including the price).
          Example: the author proposes to cover the AZ with an inverted "glass" with a wall thickness of 50-100 mm. and equip it with gas outlet channels with "slams". This solution (if it is at all possible to implement it) will add to the vehicle weight from 4 to 8 tons, plus channels. An increase in the tank's weight entails an increase in the weight of the chassis, transmission and engine power to maintain the required reliability, maneuverability and mobility. This, in turn, increases the kilometer fuel consumption, and, consequently, the number of tankers in supply units, an increase in their personnel, etc. It will require changes in the repair departments (which ones I don’t even presume), since no one has canceled the standards for the repair and replacement of units and parts ... And this is only what lies on the surface. What such an "upgrade" will result in in reality, only the Lord God and NIITs BT 3 TsNII MO RF (former 38th NII, if anyone does not know) know.
          1. Crang
            0
            2 June 2014 08: 01
            Quote: srelock
            Example: the author proposes to cover the AZ with an inverted "glass" with a wall thickness of 50-100 mm. and equip it with gas outlet channels with "slams". This solution (if it is at all possible to implement it) will add to the vehicle weight from 4 to 8 tons, plus channels.

            Yeah. Take more. 20 tons at once.
            1. +1
              2 June 2014 09: 43
              Dear Kreng, I understand and share your irresistible passion for invention! Do not stop there, strive for excellence!
              And perhaps this award will one day find its next hero:

              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/512/dqkd409.jpg

              I sincerely hope so and wish you success hi
          2. Sulfuric acid
            0
            4 June 2014 23: 37
            Can you describe where 8 (?!) Tons from 100 mm armor plates will come from? Will an iridium slab be made?
            1. 0
              5 June 2014 01: 22
              Material is steel.
              The mass of the glass is 5-5,2 tons.
              To this should be added the weight of the tank changes necessary for the glass to remain in place, and not take off at the same time with the tower. The structural details of the circuit should be clarified with the author of the article.
              Figures 4-8 were taken "by eye".
          3. 0
            24 June 2014 03: 18
            Quote: srelock
            When designing a new or upgrading an old tank or any other technically complex object, a lot of factors are taken into account. Economic, not least, but decisive is the principle of reasonable sufficiency. This is a very complex, joint work of the customer, designer and contractor (including the price).

            It is obvious that the designers are in such a "trap" of standards, economic feasibility, customer requirements, unification, etc. etc. And so, when modernizing the T72 platform, it seems to me almost impossible to squeeze out any significant improvement in combat characteristics, with minimal investment. And it's time to create a new platform (I'm waiting for the armature)
  5. +2
    31 May 2014 08: 32
    Wonderful. As the saying goes, "any whim". Of course, I'm not a tanker, but I understand a little that the introduction of AZ booking is about a few tons to its 44.5 tons, plus all sorts of hinged sides, niches and others, maybe necessary, but heavy stuff will lead to one thing - the weight of the tank will approach 60 tons ... Well, here there is a lack of traction and cross-country ability at a speed .. Well, let's raise the power of the engine and expand the tracks (the weight has risen). Here the weight and dimensions will creep again. Well, we will walk in a circle. Transportation on platforms will stop oncoming traffic. The monster is not weak in the end. With electronics upgrades, this is normal. The weight is not very large, but something is definitely necessary, although Glonas / Jeepirs, during the war, is nonsense. Controversial thing. Even in Georgia at 08 they did not use them much. So, for orientation, no more. Well, but if it really flares up ????? Then only maps will help. All this positioning will sink into the summer immediately and for a long time. Personal opinion.
    1. +8
      31 May 2014 12: 58
      Well, if seriously flames ????? That only cards and help. If it blazes seriously, nothing will help! There will be no one to fight, but in local warfare such as the Georgian or not, the god of the Ukrainian conflict, both Glonass and ZhPS will be very much in the subject, like other tsatskas, increasing their combat efficiency by a few percent ..
      1. +4
        31 May 2014 19: 31
        Exactly. Even 1%. For example, for the same period of time there will be not a "heavenly hundred", but 101 heavenly morons. It seems like a trifle, but in battle it is important.
    2. 0
      17 June 2014 13: 07
      I thought that positioning is not important for a passenger car, and no less important for a tank, because there is no need to lay a route - you can drive in azimuth. Enough for tactical control. But in a war where GLONASS \ GPS satellites are shot down, tanks are not needed.
      There are so few shells, so just removing the "extra" shells will not work. Here you need a more elegant solution.
      Excess weight on the tower in the form of a huge box of spare parts - why? Isn’t it easier to weld a box to the MTO, where it does not interfere.
      An armored tank is evil, it will only increase the explosive effect of an explosion of a half-empty volume of an air-diesel mixture. This is still in the Second World War. Enough equipment to fill with exhaust fumes.
      As for the mortar in the tank, it’s worth considering, with a caliber of 50-82 mm. It would be useful in the city, it won’t take up much space, but it’s a useful thing. That's just it should be charged from the inside of the tank, which will take some place.
      In general, it’s high time to make a cannon with a liquid throwing variable charge, this would be a great place to add. OFS should not fly fast and should not have such thick walls.
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  6. +11
    31 May 2014 08: 35
    The author, well, if not a tanker, why step on the same rake again or dream is not harmful. After all, they have already poked you into the tank-rack with bricks, into the spare parts boxes and into the Chinese navigator. Here again the balls are on the body. Ugh, no words! Told once already about "personal fighter"! And why the heck throw out non-mechanized styling? Minus!
  7. +2
    31 May 2014 08: 44
    And yet, dear author, I asked you in the last article where you served, you ignored, I’m sure, not a tanker, otherwise the “fried ass” is closer to you, especially if you think riding in a tank in sneakers! http://topwar.ru/44844-nuzhen-li-v-sovremennom-tanke-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html#c
    omment-id-2337934
  8. +4
    31 May 2014 08: 53
    Remove the entire non-mechanized ammunition from the tank. Due to this, the volume of internal fuel tanks increases. They must be made of thin armor 5 mm thick. The AZ itself (attention!) Is closed by a round armored “glass” with the armor thickness 50-100 mm turned upside down. The hole for picking up trays with shots in this glass should be equipped with automatic shutters that open only during the passage of the tray and instantly close after the shell and charge are removed from the AZ.
    I wrote about the storage tank, but there is a hatch that closes the delivery window in the tank. And the T-72B3 is already entering the troops, the modification is not the strongest, I agree here, especially after "80", but what is, and I do not agree with the author, well, how such subtleties can be discussed by a person who has not even seen them!
  9. +2
    31 May 2014 08: 55
    And who is the minus of the article he got into?
    Name yourself ?!
    I could have put two minuses!
  10. wanderer_032
    +13
    31 May 2014 09: 05
    Guys, let's wait for "Tank Biathlon 2014", it's not long left.
    There we will be able to see the T-72B3 in action and compare it with NATO machines, in terms of time for aiming and firing, for example, as well as in running parameters.
    On protection, I agree with the author, something needs to be done with this, and not just talk. This topic has already been repeatedly discussed at VO, and the respected Aleks TV even wrote a series of articles on this subject.
    It just seems to our guys from the State Academic Technical University of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and UVZ that all our aspirations and wishes are not a decree, in general, they sent a big and fat to us ...
    But on TV they trynd that the T-72B3 mod tank was made taking into account the wishes of the tankers themselves (this report was shown in Russia 1 it seems, in the evening issue of Vesti at 21:00 local time, May 29), I honestly heard this , I didn’t choke on a baker (now when I look at the news box, I don’t eat) laughing .
    I hope that during the tank biathlon all the jambs of this allegedly ... modification will come out (and they plan to use 72 of this modification on the biathlon) and Sergey Kuzhugetovich personally will insert good pies ... to everyone involved in this hack, with face.
    The guys from the crews are sorry, but it’s better to crap at the biathlon than to burn in a real battle.
    This is my opinion.
    1. +4
      31 May 2014 13: 36
      Quote: wanderer_032
      There we can watch the T-72Б3

      Do not look. Not a serial tuned tank is being rolled out to biathlon.
      1. wanderer_032
        +2
        31 May 2014 15: 32
        Quote: Kars
        Do not look. Not a serial tuned tank is being rolled out to biathlon.

        Everything may not be surprised if this is so.
        But I propose to do the analysis and conclusions after the meeting.
      2. +1
        2 June 2014 17: 07
        Here you are partly right. Several other cars are preparing for the competition, but this is not tuning. The forced B-92s are installed on them, the panoramic sight of the gunner - commander, and the T-90 does not have these options. The rest, such as computer engine control, rear-view cameras, etc., can be attributed to tuning.
        The T-72 modification for biathlon carries the T-72B3 index (how they will be further distinguished - in fact, the T-72 biathlon version is a T-90 tank with enhanced armor)
        1. +1
          2 June 2014 21: 14
          Quote: uwzek
          The forced B-92 are installed on them, the panoramic sight of the gunner-commander, and the T-90 does not have these options. The rest, such as computer engine control, rear-view cameras, etc., can be attributed to tuning.
          The T-72 modification for biathlon carries the T-72Б3 index

          Cool ... heh.
          Well, well.
          Thanks for the info, Andrey Ivanovich.
        2. +1
          15 June 2014 20: 18
          Quote: uwzek
          The T-72 modification for biathlon carries the T-72B3 index (how they will be further distinguished - in fact, the T-72 biathlon version is a T-90 tank with enhanced armor)


          This is where such "DEEP" knowledge comes from !!! ???
    2. 0
      31 May 2014 14: 05
      NATO refuses tank biathlon.
      1. +1
        31 May 2014 14: 16
        NATO refuses. I heard that Kuwait is going to Abrams.
        1. 0
          1 June 2014 14: 55
          Quote: Kars
          Kuwait gathers with abrams

          Greetings! hi Where did you hear?
          1. +3
            1 June 2014 15: 29
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Where did you hear?

            on the VPK newsletter, it seems, and recently.
            1. Crang
              +3
              1 June 2014 16: 05
              Let them come. This is the first such competition. In recent history, there have been almost no cases when modern tanks fought in equal conditions. The last time was the Iranian-Iraqi war, when our T-72Ms were beating Iranian "Chiefs" like kittens without return. In the Middle East, the T-72s never met the Merkavas. So we will have a look with interest. Before that, there was still a case when our T-54 and T-55 were turned into scrap metal M48 (Patton Naggers cemetery), but that was a long time ago and with old tanks.
              1. +1
                1 June 2014 16: 37
                Quote: Krang
                Last time - Iran-Iraq war when our T-72M

                where have you read such a thing?
              2. +1
                2 June 2014 20: 14
                And the two Iraqi wars?
                T-72s abundantly met with Abrams in all kinds of conceivable types of battles.
                1. Crang
                  0
                  3 June 2014 19: 21
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  And the two Iraqi wars?
                  T-72s abundantly met with Abrams in all kinds of conceivable types of battles.

                  I seem to wrote:
                  Quote: Krang
                  In recent history, there have been almost no cases when modern tanks fought in equal conditions.
                  Where did you see equal conditions in the Gulf wars?
                  1. +1
                    4 June 2014 21: 44
                    There were major class tank battles during the Iraqi wars
                    "Encounter battle"
                    Some of them WITHOUT using aviation (due to
                    weather conditions - dust storms)
                    There were US tank brigades equipped with Abrams and the Iraqi National Guard,
                    equipped with T-72.
                    I think you yourself know about the results?
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  11. +2
    31 May 2014 09: 06
    I do not agree with the author about the additional fuel on board. It seems to me that you need to abandon diesel B. How much you can already cling to it. Foreign trucks with in-line sixes of 800 hp have. If you put a normal engine, then in additional fuel, the need will disappear by itself. Narrow-eyed on type99 put FRGeshny diesel engines with a power of 1500 hp , and on the video of the Chinese an invisibly powerful exhaust, as on our tanks. that is, their engines are more economical than ours.
    1. +1
      1 June 2014 00: 52
      and our engine builders kayuk.inozemnye engines of course more economical but also more demanding on oil and fuel, etc. and in the case of sanctions what to do? and the cost of repair? in combat losses with the restoration of the same trouble. I, though not Russian, but I think that the main types of weapons should be domestic production. in the future I hope that the authorities of my country have enough brains to reconcile with yours and in the future to produce what they did together before and do new but dangerous things for the enemy.
  12. Palych9999
    0
    31 May 2014 09: 07
    Mudreno is written ...
    A lot of controversial and "heavy" in the proposals.
    The question is this: does such an upgrade provide an improvement on the base case or not?
    If yes, but not as much as it could, then one option. If not, then the next quirks of the "stool".
    Let's wait until the new Armata really does not "come".
  13. 0
    31 May 2014 09: 11
    http://topwar.ru/44844-nuzhen-li-v-sovremennom-tanke-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html#c

    omment-id-2337934
    Slightly mistaken, I apologize, some aspects have already been discussed, the correct link is http://topwar.ru/44844-nuzhen-li-v-sovremennom-tanke-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html#c

    omment-id-2337934
  14. Crang
    +3
    31 May 2014 09: 55
    When you read the comments, you clearly understand that many people generally live in a different world. Well, in order:
    Quote: svp67
    Armor there, armor here ... It would be better if they took and made a "body kit" similar to the T90MS, and would immediately unify all the tanks.

    Not better. The Achilles' heel of the T-72 lies in the fact that when the ammo is ignited, the crew tears apart and instantly dies. Know how to separate the armor of a tank from its survivability and safety. The purpose of my TK was just to make the tank as tenacious and safe in operation as possible. All the more so as its "body kit" is cheaper and even better than that of the T-90MS.
    Quote: Signaller
    I’m certainly not a tanker, but I understand a little that the introduction of a AZ reservation is about a few tons to its 44.5 tons, plus any hinged sides, niches and others, maybe necessary, but heavy fittings will lead to one, the tank’s weight will approach 60 tons .

    This will bring the weight of the tank to 48-50 tons.
    Quote: Signaller
    Well, here there is a lack of traction and patency with speed.

    Driving performance with a full-time 840-horsepower engine certainly deteriorate slightly, but in the face of fierce cost savings, you can put up with this.
    Quote: TELEMARK
    I wrote about the tank rack, but there is a hatch that closes the delivery window in the tank.

    The standard protection of the AZ which is placed on the T-90A and T-72B3 has only an anti-fragmentation function. She will not save the crew in the event of ignition of the AZ. The armor is thin there, but there are no gas vents. Upon ignition of the AZ, the flame will still penetrate the BO and the Khan’s tankers.
    Quote: TELEMARK
    And the T-72B3 is already entering the troops, the modification is not the strongest, here I agree, especially after the "80"

    T-80 is even worse. He does not even have what is in the T-72B3.
    Quote: Free Wind
    Foreign trucks with in-line sixes of 800 hp have.

    So what? And the engines of Formula-1 race cars produce 1000hp each. The engine from the truck even with a capacity of 800hp. will not provide the tank with the necessary acceleration and traction indicators. Dill has already tested this with their T-64 motorcycle engine.
    1. +1
      31 May 2014 11: 16
      Please forgive me, but. Engine Mersovsky OM number I do not remember. in-line six with a turbocompound produces 820 hp on the mountain .. and a thrust of about 4 tons. Our tank 840hp and traction 2.200.
      1. 0
        31 May 2014 23: 45
        Quote: Free Wind
        Please forgive me, but. Engine Mersovsky OM number I do not remember. in-line six with a turbocompound produces 820 hp on the mountain .. and a thrust of about 4 tons. Our tank 840hp and traction 2.200.

        Task: The Moskvich-412 engine and the GAZ-51 are approximately the same in terms of horsepower. Try to load 2 tons on the first, and drive at least 120 meters on the second at a speed of 200 km / h. You can swap engines. And what will happen?
        1. +2
          1 June 2014 12: 03
          * ... Task: The Moskvich-412 and GAZ-51 engines are approximately the same in terms of horsepower. Try to load 2 tons on the first, and drive at least 120 meters on the second at a speed of 200 km / h. You can swap engines in places. And what happens? ... "
          The question is the length of the connecting rod, heavy equipment needs a lot of torque, and there is no need for high revs. Western diesels of the latest generations are capricious horror, crammed with unstable unsteady electronics for environmental friendliness. Is it necessary in the tank?
          1. 0
            1 June 2014 12: 40
            Here! In the Soviet years, this was clear even to a 9th grade student. What matters is not hp, but torque.
  15. +1
    31 May 2014 10: 09
    While the state did not give money for the defense industry, they tried to do something better for themselves and to interest them. After the money "went", they immediately worked out not cunning schemes for cutting them and spat on everything else.
    The mess is only growing, the upcoming test of the Bulava, to be honest, is alarming.
  16. pravda2014s
    0
    31 May 2014 10: 13
    But what about armata ??? We have been waiting for her for so long!
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    2. -1
      31 May 2014 10: 54
      The promised three years are waiting. Everything is as usual - there are dumb grandmas.
  17. dFG
    +4
    31 May 2014 10: 21
    in principle, no matter how bitter it would be to read the article, it is more true than not ... and if UVZ masters state funds, it should do it qualitatively, and not how it turns out, because 1 means are state-owned and 2 we are talking about the combat effectiveness of equipment and the lives of the soldiers ..... and it amazes me that this criticism didn’t justify criticism yesterday and it’s still there, the tank as it was and remains unfinished and raw .... is there any reason to make personnel changes at UVZ ???
  18. +3
    31 May 2014 11: 27
    in my opinion, dear kreng, write to UVZ and state your opinion on the modernization of the tank and send the second to the Ministry of Defense and, by the way, state the opinion of one very familiar army colonel, five months ago we met in Rostov and talked that he said that modernizing any weapon if not to bring it to a state of obsurd is effective only for the time being and the army really needs a NEW MODERN HIGH-TECHNOLOGY AND EASY TO OPERATE MACHINE - and not after a long time, but today.
  19. +2
    31 May 2014 11: 28
    I can’t understand why it’s impossible to produce modern tank engines. Why can’t you buy or steal in the end the engines that the Chinese install on tanks. To install an engine on our tanks, the production of which began in 1939. this.......
  20. 0
    31 May 2014 11: 48
    Some kind of nonsense .... one article contradicts another ...... http: //topwar.ru/49936-ekipazhi-tankovyh-podrazdeleniy-cvo-oce
    nili-u
    luchshennye-harakteristiki-modernizirovannyh-tankov-t-72b3.html
  21. -1
    31 May 2014 12: 13
    So on the T-72B3 engine put a new power of 1130 hp
    1. 0
      2 June 2014 17: 17
      Old engines on it ...
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    1. Ujin61
      +1
      31 May 2014 16: 24
      You don’t know, don’t shit things. Everything is exactly the opposite.
      1. Metal bro
        0
        1 June 2014 22: 30
        no, partly right. All air conditioning and climate controls (hello armata) clearly under the southern countries). At least tanks, I don’t know about the rest. India is so nit-picking at all.
        1. 0
          2 June 2014 17: 21
          In our climate, air conditioning is necessary three months a year, in the rest they freeze in a tank ...
    2. -1
      2 June 2014 17: 19
      Here you are extremely mistaken. Obviously worse equipment is installed on export weapons, if about tanks, there is definitely weaker bronze
  23. +1
    31 May 2014 13: 01
    I hope no one believes that the described technique applies only to tanks? Is everything better in the rest of the defense industry? When confronted with officials of the defense complex, there is a feeling that most of them either do not believe that their products will ever fight at all, or they (at best) just do not give a damn what will happen to the army, navy and aviation during the first clash. Completely different interests.
  24. 0
    31 May 2014 13: 06
    It turns out something like here
    http://phpforum.ru/uploads/post-133-1291394160.gif
  25. +7
    31 May 2014 13: 17
    install a new 125-mm gun 2А46М5

    Yes, UVZ declares the installation of A246M-5 on T-72Б3, but with the caveat that deliveries of old 2A46M are also possible.
    I have already written on the forum for a long time that I will send a bottle of horse meat to someone who will give a photo of the 2A46M-5 installed on the SERIAL machine in the LINEAR part, and not on the exhibition machine. There were no people who wanted to drink the horsemeat yet ... unfortunately.

    The observation complex of the TKN-3M commander is slightly improved. It turns out the so-called “Double” mode and is designated as TKN-3MK.

    Not certainly in that way.
    The “Double” mode, consisting of a remote control panel and a monitor, is the OPTIONAL OPTION of the gunner’s sight “Pine-U”. This function has no relation to TKN-3MK. The letter “K” means that the 2 generation image intensifier tube was inserted into it and the field of view was expanded in night mode.

    Due to the introduction of the “Double” mode, the reaction time to the target discovered by the commander was slightly reduced. Also, the commander from his place got the opportunity to see what the gunner sees, since he was given a separate monitor from the gunner's OMS. Contrary to popular belief, the commander cannot shoot from the gun from his place. When the button is pressed, the tower simply unfolds to where the commander’s device is looking,.

    There is confusion.
    1: The commander’s reaction time has remained the same:
    - he sees on the monitor the same as the gunner,
    - and if he observes in TKN-3MK, then his reaction is the same as before (the device has not changed).
    2. The commander MAY fire a cannon and a coaxial machine gun using the Sosny-U remote launcher in the Double mode.
    3. When you click on the "button"))) TKN-3MK gives target designation for GN. This is the function of this appliance.

    Well, put just GPS / GLONASS. A car widescreen navigator is mounted next to the commander’s OMS monitor and costs about 30 000 rubles. The antenna is external.

    Yes, only this should be done a little differently:
    P-168-25У-2 "Aqueduct" is not just a radio station. It was originally laid very MUCH.
    For example:
    - remote control from a PC and from an external control panel at the C2 interface;
    - reception and transmission of digital information from terminal equipment at speeds from 1, 2 to 16 kbit / s via C1-FL junctions or from an external computer via RS-232C interface;
    Those. radio stations of this series have a modernization reserve and can now be equipped with additional devices, such as a recording panel for dialing and optical input of radio data (this is abruptly more than GLONASS), as well as a remote control panel.

    Next:
    1. +10
      31 May 2014 13: 18
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Next:

      Continued:


      On the roof of the tower mounted dome-controlled video camera with smooth adjustment of optical zoom in 1-30x.
      On the TKN-3MK itself, you need to mount a huge widescreen monitor with an azimuth pointer, on which an image of a low-level dome camera will be displayed. TKN-3MK itself remains as a backup.

      An interesting solution ...
      Just do not forget that in this case, the installation of a closed ZPU is impossible. Since TKN-3, in principle, is not provided for under the control of weapons. It does not have “exits”, like the more or less budget TKN-4С-01.

      Remove the entire non-mechanized ammunition from the tank.

      Yes, do not delete it.
      It’s just that in the course of hostilities it is not worth loading it.
      And when marching in the LDPE or when using tanks in the "fire carousel", the ammunition is oh how needed ... That is non-mechanized laying should serve as a temporary warehouse of its own when NOT conducting combat operations.

      The AZ itself (attention!) Is closed by a round armored “glass” with the armor thickness 50-100 mm turned upside down.

      Very interesting…
      There is only one question: how will we serve the conveyor itself?
      And what is the thickness of the AZ to make all the detonation energy go through the vent channels?
      ........................................................

      But in general - I liked ETA your article, Ivan.
      This is heaven and earth compared to previous ones. Something more or less happened.
      Commented already with interest and pleasure.

      Please accept this not as my condescending nod (in no way), but simply as the opinion of one of the representatives of Mazut.

      By the way, a good photo in the header:
      This is the first T-72, a "clean" Object 172M with an optical rangefinder and a mechanical ballistic computer ... The founder of the T-72, so to speak ...

      .........................................................

      ps Do not throw different expressions like: “kvass”, “fried ass” ... not worth it. The use of such jargon is very specific among tankers.
      wink
      1. +6
        31 May 2014 13: 38
        Quote: Aleks tv
        There were no people who wanted to drink the horsemeat yet ... unfortunately.

        I would put down for a photo of a projectile with a large extension in the AZ of a serial tank in the linear part.
        1. 0
          31 May 2014 13: 45
          Quote: Kars
          for a photo of a projectile with a large extension in the AZ of a serial tank in the linear part.

          good

          Greetings, Andrew.
          hi

          How is the shell? Still waiting for a buyer?
          1. +3
            31 May 2014 14: 23
            Quote: Aleks tv
            How is the shell? Still waiting for a buyer?

            where is he denetsa.
            1. +2
              31 May 2014 14: 28
              Quote: Kars
              where is he denetsa.

              laughing
              Write, pliz, then - what is it?
              And then I’m all curious what they sell in Ukraine in the public domain?
              wink

              The assumption is also what it was:
              "Training and training projectile" for use on simulators and practice of working out loading of AZ into a tank.
              1. +1
                31 May 2014 14: 34
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Write, pliz, then - what is it?

                I won’t take it. If I honestly forgot about him on Monday-Tuesday I’ll ask.
                I want BTS, and only scrap itself.

                But by the way, shame on Alex Romanov))) from Germany
        2. Crang
          +2
          31 May 2014 13: 56
          Calm down Karsushka. We do not plan to supply our brothers from the southeast with heavy weapons, including and tanks. Only a light defensive. But powerful. So win without tanks. Moreover, your opponent demonstrates complete inadequacy in the use of his broken-down T-64.
      2. Crang
        -2
        31 May 2014 13: 54
        Quote: Aleks tv
        An interesting solution ...
        Just do not forget that in this case, the installation of a closed ZPU is impossible.

        I don’t count on it. The budget will not work.
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Yes, do not delete it.
        It’s just that in the course of hostilities it is not worth loading it.

        Tank racks still have to be redone. Firstly, some volume will be occupied by an armored glass AZ. Secondly, you need a place for gas outlet channels. There is such a very important aspect - mobility. During the classic tank war "Blitzkrieg" Alexey. Take T-72B, T-80U and Abrams. Formally, in terms of maximum speed, the T-72B is inferior to both. Now arm yourself with a calculator and calculate how many tens of kilometers (taking into account the fuel consumption of these cars and the volume of fuel tanks) ahead of there will be a T-72B unit in a day in comparison with competitors and how much hundreds kilometers, the T-72B unit will be ahead of the competition after a few days. Such an important advantage cannot be lost.
        Quote: Aleks tv
        And when marching in the LDPE or when using tanks in the "fire carousel", the ammunition is oh how needed ... That is non-mechanized laying should serve as a temporary warehouse of its own when NOT conducting combat operations.

        If you carefully read the article, I suggested for the rest of the BC to equip a place in the spare parts developed behind the tower box.
        Quote: Aleks tv
        And what is the thickness of the AZ to make all the detonation energy go through the vent channels?

        I said - 50-100mm the glass itself. If you make gas vents of sufficient cross section. The bottom of the tank under the AZ is closed by a large technological hatch thickness as the bottom itself - 20 mm. Yes, it’s not convenient to service, but what to do. But imagine how much more confidence you have if you will clearly know that wherever you hit your T-72B4, you don’t burn 95% in it and nothing will happen to you.
        Quote: Aleks tv
        But in general - I liked ETA your article, Ivan.

        The difference is that it provides suggestions for the plant, and in the previous one, what you can theoretically do yourself.
        1. +1
          31 May 2014 14: 01
          Quote: Krang
          for the rest of the BC to equip a place in the developed behind the tower box spare parts.

          That's right - the budget will not allow.

          Quote: Krang
          Yes it’s not convenient to serve,

          I am not criticizing, just without the possibility of service, all these good initiatives will come to naught.
      3. +1
        31 May 2014 19: 50
        This is not a comment. This Comment good
    2. 0
      2 June 2014 17: 40
      Alex! Stupidity about the 2A46M5 gun and the new AZ on T72B3, if my memory serves me (I already tried the beer), it was you who brought to the forum ...
      This is the third time I have argued that no 2A46M5 cannon is used on any serial tank, much less any new AZ is used ...
      Modification of the T-72B3 - there is a desire of the government of the Russian Federation, each modernized tank is a fully combat-ready vehicle, and not a pile of scrap metal. And "armata" are being built!
      1. 0
        2 June 2014 21: 46
        Quote: uwzek
        Alex! Stupidity about the 2A46M5 gun and the new AZ on T72B3, if my memory serves me (I already tried the beer), it was you who brought to the forum ...

        Andrei Ivanovich, I sometimes indulge in the same beer, it's wonderful,
        Yes
        Only you are "almost" not quite right ...
        About the "2A46M5 cannon" and the "new AZ" was brought to the Internet by "the one" who most of all boasted that the first one told about the T-72B3 itself - "Bulletin of Mordovia". No need to tell WHO is behind this? I think not.
        This info was replicated in the internet.

        I always emphasized that I am not an expert in tanks, but a simple tank-practitioner, my experience is not so high - only 10 years.
        And so when I got into the T-72B3, I was "slightly" surprised when the good old 2A46M smiled at me in the tower ...
        Well, I don’t know all the wise policy of the party and government ... what if I came across a completely “budget” T-72B3?
        winked
        And in his article:
        http://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
        Denote as is, quote:
        ...- A gun:
        On the UVZ website, so far, in the section “gun of the modernized T-72” it is written: 2А46М or 2А46М-5. Let's hope that at least 72A3M-2 will be put on the T-46Б5. ...


        Something like this ... I didn’t invent anything in harm, and I'm not going to make excuses.
        Moreover - I have long been promising a bottle of horse meat (and on this site the same) to someone who will broadcast 2A46M-5 photos on the SERIAL T-72Б3 located in the LINEAR military unit.
        There is no answer yet. Alas.
        .........................................

        ps I always carefully and with interest read your comments. The style shows that you are not a tank officer, but are related to tank building and maintenance.
        Maybe write something informative in the form of an article? I think that many people read with interest ... Yes, and know-it-alls of the couch will be beneficial for health to read ...
        wink
        drinks

        Respectfully:
        Alex.
        1. 0
          2 June 2014 23: 05
          Quote: Aleks tv
          "Bulletin of Mordovia".

          http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-8394.htm
          And here are the new "motions":
          ... And if before there were relatively few tanks with thermal imaging sights, now the Russian army is perhaps one of the first in Europe in terms of this indicator. Although, of course, many military experts consider the T-72B3 modification itself very imperfect. Therefore, with such joy the appearance of a new version of the T-72 was welcomed, which, according to some sources, is called the T-72Б3М, and according to others, it is already the T-72Б4. Now the commander of the Russian tank has the ability to detect and hit targets at the level of the world's best weapons, day and night, in bad weather ...
          They plow on "air" like dad Carlo, without thinking about the meaning.
          And THIS is replicated according to footnotes ... and no one will think about it.
  26. +2
    31 May 2014 14: 12
    AUTHOR - RESPECT!
  27. +2
    31 May 2014 15: 08
    And yet, dear author, I asked you in the last article where they served, you ignored
    ,
    The standard protection of the AZ which is placed on the T-90A and T-72B3 has only an anti-fragmentation function. She will not save the crew in the event of ignition of the AZ. The armor is thin there, but there are no gas vents. Upon ignition of the AZ, the flame will still penetrate the BO and the Khan’s tankers.
    , well, to be completely frank, it will save little from anything, this is such a small "test",
    T-80 is even worse. He does not even have what is in the T-72B3
    , about this_categorically unsglasen, I can listen to "seventy-two" and agree with him, but nothing else! Yet
    Quote: extankist
    And why not, the first Chechen I went to the T-80 as a platoon commander without losing a single machine as standard

    This is not because the T-80 with protection is all right (it is even worse in this regard than the T-72, and much more), but because it was lucky. Serious Mochilov spared you and thank God.
    and more
    Quote: olegff68
    Remote-controlled ZPU.

    She say dick. Electronics is still old. There is no widescreen monitor. For the city, it is better to open the ZPU with an armored turret (open from above).
    1. Crang
      +2
      31 May 2014 18: 23
      Quote: TELEMARK
      , about this_categorically unsglasen, I can listen to "seventy-two" and agree with him, but nothing else! Yet

      If you do not agree, then you should have some arguments in favor of the T-80. Ready to listen to them carefully. At least in terms of firepower, the T-72B3, with all its incompleteness, is still better than almost any T-80 model.
  28. +1
    31 May 2014 15: 11
    Once again I will ask, dear Krang, where did you see "72", from whom did you hear about "80"?
    1. Crang
      +1
      1 June 2014 14: 21
      Itself was personally inside the BTR-60PB, BTR-80, T-34-85, KV-85G and T-80BV. It was somehow on the armor of the T-72B, but honestly I didn’t climb inside.
      1. 0
        1 June 2014 16: 29
        Itself was personally inside the BTR-60PB, BTR-80, T-34-85, KV-85G and T-80BV. It was somehow on the armor of the T-72B, but honestly I didn’t climb inside.
        Thank you, I'm sure we’ll talk again! +
      2. 0
        2 June 2014 23: 44
        Quote: Krang
        Itself was personally inside BTR-60PB, BTR-80, T-34-85, KV-85G and T-80BV. It was like that on the armor of the T-72B,

        I've also climbed onto the left seat of the "Watermelon", Su-24 and "Ulybayki"
        Even sat on the throne of AN-2 !!!
        And how many air birds I "felt" with my hands ...
        So I scratch my turnips and think - why am I not a pilot?
        recourse
        It will be necessary to ask Sergey (vaf) or Sani (aleks241) ...
        fellow
        They will tell me, a modest tankman ...
        laughing
        They will tell her ...)))
        Yes Yes Yes
  29. Oleg Gor
    +11
    31 May 2014 15: 34
    In short, everything is very simple. We take the T-72B3, use it to free Kharkov from the Nazis, and set up the production of the T-84BM "Oplot" for the army of Novorossiya and Russia. laughing
    1. Crang
      +2
      31 May 2014 18: 19
      T-90 is better.
      1. +1
        31 May 2014 19: 14
        Quote: Krang
        T-90 is better.

        laughed))) Here T-90 are embarrassed not to set the biathlon. T-72Б3 tuningubt)))
        1. Crang
          +1
          31 May 2014 19: 47
          Who is shy? Do not talk nonsense.
          1. +1
            31 May 2014 19: 49
            Quote: Krang
            Who is shy? Do not talk nonsense.

            What is T-90 declared for biathlon? And the excuse that there are no such machines in Belarusians and Kazakhs does not channel)) they and T-72Б3 do not.
            1. +2
              31 May 2014 19: 56
              When the biathlon was announced, it was about the skill of the crews, and not the capabilities of the electron-optical systems. I realized that on the T-72B they are the simplest of those in service, so he was chosen for the competition.
              1. +1
                31 May 2014 20: 15
                Quote: samoletil18
                that on the T-72B they are the simplest of those in service,

                And here is the simplest? T-34 is also enough. T-72Б is in service with all the countries participating in last year's biathlon.
                1. +1
                  1 June 2014 00: 07
                  What district is the T-34 in service with? Or do I not know something? On storage bases, yes, but in parts they were not yet under the USSR.
            2. Crang
              +3
              31 May 2014 20: 45
              The "excuse" is different. There are more T-72B3. And they are in most of the active armies. The T-90A is not so common. This is the first thing. And second, for reasons of secrecy. Why reveal the possibilities of a trump card ahead of time? If the T-90A is allowed to go to biathlon with the existing rules, they will easily beat 100 out of 100. The T-90A will be reserved for competitions with the Abrams and Leopards. And he won't lose. Cool car. The T-72 is still a breed.
              1. +1
                31 May 2014 21: 10
                Quote: Krang
                T-72B3 there is a larger quantity. And they are in most active armies

                Where besides the Russian Federation there is still the T-72B3?
                Quote: Krang
                T-90A is not so common

                Oh well? I know at least 3-4 countries offhand. I wonder why I can not hear the Indians in the tank biathlon)))
                Quote: Krang
                And second, privacy considerations

                T-90 has been on the market for a long time, and all interested intelligence agencies have measured them for a long time.
                Quote: Krang
                If T-90A is launched on biathlon with existing rules, they will easily knock out 100 from 100.

                Dreams, dreams, they are fairy tales.
                Quote: Krang
                T-90A will be reserved for competitions with the Abrams and Leopards

                So like Kuwait with Abrams arrives.
                Quote: Krang
                T-72 is still a breed.
                fl precisely simplified mobilization tank, which was beaten out by people only because of the collapse of the USSR and the projection of fellow countrymen.

                Yes, and the T-72B3, in anticipation of the biathlon, decided to tune out something, although for me it is just ridiculous. They should come in serial tanks, albeit with selected crews, but there must also be servicemen, otherwise they will recruit legionnaires in football)) )
                1. Crang
                  0
                  1 June 2014 08: 27
                  Quote: Kars
                  Where besides the Russian Federation there is still the T-72B3?

                  No where, but that's not the point. Once again I say that the point is to test the capabilities of the most common OUR tank. And the T-90A is left as a "surprise" to the enemy.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Oh well? I know at least 3-4 countries offhand. I wonder why I can not hear the Indians in the tank biathlon)))

                  Our T-90A installed some equipment and devices prohibited for export. On the T-90S they are not.
                  Quote: Kars
                  T-90 has been on the market for a long time, and all interested intelligence agencies have measured them for a long time.

                  Only export, trimmed options.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Dreams, dreams, they are fairy tales.

                  This is the reality of Kars. Our equipment is created and served differently than in your proud "independent" country.
                  Quote: Kars
                  So like Kuwait with Abrams arrives.

                  So they have Abrams, they are not the Abrams that are in service with the United States.
                  Quote: Kars
                  fl precisely simplified mobilization tank, which was beaten out by people only because of the collapse of the USSR and the projection of fellow countrymen.

                  T-72 is the best tank from the Kars trinity. Yes, there are more stupid parts in it than in your T-64 on chicken wheels and with an engine from a stroller.
                  1. +1
                    1 June 2014 09: 37
                    Quote: Krang
                    On our T-90A which equipment and devices prohibited for export are installed

                    what can you be))) nuclear batteries? an invisible air conditioner?
                    It was specially prepared for export under the USSR.
                    Quote: Krang
                    Export, trimmed options only

                    naive
                    Quote: Krang
                    Our equipment is created and served differently than in your proud "independent" country.

                    Let's look at Armata, and T-90 is a Soviet groundwork, and then it took 15 years to get to the level of T-80У / УД. And they didn’t get to the Oplot, they sort of disassembled the MS.

                    Quote: Krang
                    So they have Abrams, they are not the Abrams that are in service with the United States.

                    Without depleted uranium, the rest is the same, and the latest modification of the 2 sim is something even in the USA.
                    Quote: Krang
                    T-72 is the best tank from the Kars trinity

                    no, it’s a mobilization simplified tank for deployment, subject to poorly trained personnel called up from the reserve.
                    Quote: Krang
                    Yes, there are more stupid parts in it than in your T-64 on chicken wheels and with an engine from a motorcycle.

                    And while the T-64 is still better, each T-72 modification was inferior to the similar T-64 modification. And the wheels - what to say with the T-72, the weight is spent on heavy wheels, and the T-64 is protected.
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                  2. +2
                    1 June 2014 09: 38
                    Quote: Krang
                    Not where, but not the point

                    It can be said a summary, nowhere does it make sense to you.
                  3. Metal bro
                    0
                    1 June 2014 22: 34
                    nothing is trimmed there, on the contrary, at the request of the customer, it is still wound up. Tea is not supplied to your army, but sold for grandmas.
              2. 0
                31 May 2014 23: 09
                Quote: Krang
                The excuse is "different. There are more T-72B3.

                Nonsense. The T-72B3 is in service only in the Russian Federation. The Kazakhs themselves are looking for a way to modernize their T-72s. Even the Jews were involved in this case. The Belarusians themselves are also modernizing their tanks. The Ukrainians have a modernization of the T-72AG. Our modernized T-72 with the help of Israel.
                Thank you for writing the article. We worked hard after all, but there is no need to misinform.
        2. +2
          31 May 2014 21: 35
          Quote: Kars
          Here T-90 are embarrassed not to set the biathlon. T-72Б3 tuningubt)))

          Andrei, biathlon at the State level is a "policy" ... Nobody needs BUSV here.
          Here dofiga factors.
          wink
          I will try to get one out of the swamp of "politics":
          - if at the competition there is no modification of the T-72, then biathlon will not have the status of "international".
          The rest of the valid crap is too lazy to write, it is too abstruse and boring ...
          Time is a pity ... but I'm not an expert.
          Yes
          1. +4
            31 May 2014 22: 20
            Quote: Aleks tv
            - if at the competition there is no modification of the T-72, then biathlon will not have the status of "international".

            72-k around the world a bunch. B3, anyway, the result of modernization. Any technical competition is, first of all, an advertisement of this technology. Tagil’s will do everything to win B3, but in the end, you can make good money by tuning 72-k to B3 request Since then what
            Alexey, Andrey hi
  30. 0
    31 May 2014 16: 57
    With any of these options, both parties are responsible for the final appearance of the tank. If the customer wrote nonsense in the TK, and the contractor strictly recreated this nonsense in metal, then there are only three options:

    • Customer and contractor.
    • The customer is a mutilator, and the contractor.
    • The customer, and the contractor is a mutilator.
    In the technical documentation there are specific names and signatures, it should be made public. the country should know its "heroes" smile
  31. 52
    0
    31 May 2014 17: 33
    I read the article, neither a plus nor a minus. So myself, mdovye sobs, obviously, the author did not even sit in the tank.
  32. +1
    31 May 2014 22: 38
    T-90 in service with India.
    According to them, he does great throws,
    but in shooting it doesn’t really shine, especially at night and
    long distances. Their Arzhun, on the contrary, shoots well,
    but breaks during transitions. Therefore, the Indians decided to increase
    in the army there are a number of both those and those: Arzhun - as a tank of defense breakthrough and
    tank fighter tank, and T-90 - as an infantry support tank and
    offensive development tank (raids).
    1. 0
      1 June 2014 00: 35
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Therefore, the Indians decided to increase
      in the army there are a number of both those and those: Arzhun - as a tank of defense breakthrough and
      tank fighter tank, and T-90 - as an infantry support tank and
      offensive development tank (raids).

      Alexey, Indians are just going out of their way to create land "national pride" ...
      Not just that.
      wink
      1. +2
        1 June 2014 02: 18
        I agree with you. Every country wants to excel in creating its own
        technicians. There is a party in the Indian army pushing through Arjun,
        but there is a party of his opponents, which was for the purchase of a license for the T-90.
        She tries to "drown" Arjun. Therefore min. defense made several comparative
        tests. Initially, Arjun completely failed and they wanted to close his development.
        But his supporters tensed, improved build quality, made a number of important changes.
        In particular, they bought an MSA, the same as Merkava-4. And in the following tests
        Arjun broke less and just shot. It’s generally an international mix :): English
        rifled gun, Israeli electronics, German diesel.
  33. +3
    31 May 2014 23: 13
    Each tank has its pros and cons, regardless of manufacturer. Call your best and spread rot, just because it is a stranger, unprofessional approach. And no matter how much they say, any tank is vulnerable. It depends on the human factor. You can make an ultramodern tank and plant untrained crew. The result will be the loss of a car. And an experienced crew can become a headache even when sitting in t-55))
  34. +2
    31 May 2014 23: 41
    The author did not even press the minus - the people in the tank do not understand a damn thing and have never sat in it. The idea of ​​an armored cap over an automatic loader is fascinating: how is it going to serve this automatic machine under that cap? And how is it (I personally got such designers with the "fittings") going to attach a similar structure to the tank hull with a diameter exceeding the size of the turret ring?
    1. 0
      1 June 2014 00: 46
      Quote: uwzek
      The idea of ​​an armored cap over an automatic loader delights: how is he going to serve this machine under that cap?

      laughing
      But the idea is good ...
      I really want to give the flag in my hands with joy that they thought about us ...
      fellow fellow fellow
      And what, Andrei Ivanovich? Maybe it's worth it ... think ...
      I’ve been thinking all evening, and I don’t have this shoe for the pretzel’s hollow.
      I guess I'm not a constructor ...
      Yes.
      laughing lol
    2. Crang
      -1
      1 June 2014 08: 21
      Quote: uwzek
      people in the tank do not understand a damn thing and never sat in it.

      Oh.
      Quote: uwzek
      The idea of ​​an armored cap over an automatic loader delights: how is he going to serve this machine under that cap?

      You call on the overpass or trench. Or just crawl from below. You push the large technological hatch in the bottom of the case and serve.
      Quote: uwzek
      And how is it (me personally, similar designers have already got it with "fittings") is going to attach a similar structure to the hull of the tank in a diameter exceeding the size of the turret ring?

      If I say "cap" it does not mean that it should be exactly round. He can act out the shape of the body. For example, to merge with the side 80mm armor, that is, to be slightly trimmed from the sides. If the designers can't think of IT. Then they need to be changed, why are they sitting there? And the cap must be attached to the body by welding.
  35. +2
    1 June 2014 02: 38
    I will not unravel for a long time, but at least the tower's DZ can be made more tightly !!! It's just nonsense! It's not that the cumulative jet will fall into the holes between the blocks, but the TOMAGAVK will slip through without catching !!! the fact that the B3 is really a deprived modernization is read! The hope is that the "Armata" will still be in the troops in sufficient numbers.
  36. Erg
    0
    1 June 2014 08: 11
    I am not special in tanks, but I realized there is a modernization project, for example, 1000 tanks. The cost of each with almost half a t90. Otherwise, instead of upgrading, you can make 400 new tanks. I would have done so (after all, the combat power of the new unit is much higher than the old), and T72 for remelting. Maybe I'm wrong what
  37. Erg
    +1
    1 June 2014 08: 32
    Maybe sell old tanks to some "lumumbia". Another would be enough for a couple of hundred new ones
  38. 0
    1 June 2014 08: 55
    what is the debate about? !!! The Armata is on its way, which is why the cheap T-72B3 is being purchased.
  39. zvo
    +1
    1 June 2014 11: 25
    critical comments on 90% contain emotional evaluations without arguments or counterarguments. the urge to find out where and how the author of the article also laughs
  40. -2
    1 June 2014 12: 52
    A useful article!
  41. +2
    1 June 2014 17: 16
    And why there is no option: The customer is a mutilator and a contractor is a mutilator.
    1. Crang
      -1
      1 June 2014 17: 58
      Out of politeness.
  42. miha.ru
    0
    1 June 2014 20: 52
    Sorry for the directness, but it’s like a bonny money laundering that dangled during the reign of Serdyukov
  43. 0
    1 June 2014 20: 55
    Quote: awg75
    what is the debate about? !!! The Armata is on its way, which is why the cheap T-72B3 is being purchased.


    The comrade said everything correctly. They will make "Armata" and then they will sell them to Angola.
    It is necessary to keep the factories afloat until the "Armata" series went into production. There is also the tank itself and the cannon and sights, etc. you can't take the factories and stop them for a while.
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  44. Yurgens
    -1
    2 June 2014 00: 05
    Ehh) as there aren’t enough such authors in the government)) you tell me one thing, it makes sense to spend on t90 (+ MTO bases and repair in the troops, + maintenance cycle + integrate these machines into the troops .....) if it is designed and put on stream a tank of a completely different level?
    1. Crang
      0
      2 June 2014 07: 59
      This question is often asked here. I explain. The main battle tank of Armata, if it was created on time, will naturally be terribly expensive. The need of the Russian Federation for tanks, I assess as no less than 10-15 thousand units. Do you really think that after Armata is put into service it will instantly be saturated with all military units? Where have you seen this in our past 25 years? Even with a stable situation in the country and a steady pace of economic development, it will take many years to wait for Armata tanks to appear in all tank units and formations. All this time, the T-72 and T-90 will be in service. After all, even the USSR, with its power, could not immediately saturate all the parts and the old T-72 and T-80 tanks with them for a long time and were modernized more than once (where they are armed so far). Well, it’s hard to expect any other scenarios in existing realities. Therefore, the Armata tank is certainly good and it will be great if it is delivered on time. But this does not mean that now, not even having seen the new tank, one must flog the fever and completely hammer on the improvement of the equipment that already exists.
      1. +1
        2 June 2014 09: 50
        When Russia sold the assembly license for the T-90 to India, I
        was sure that the plant would work for two armies: India
        and Russia. Who cares where it is assembled? In two countries were
        would modern tanks. Still, the T-90 tower is more intelligently arranged,
        than the T-72 and the offensive capabilities of the T-90 are higher (it also has a gun, I
        read better - less barrel vibrations - you can more accurately shoot at large
        distance).
        Of course, a roundabout of AZ shells without additional protection ...
        "there is no gut", but one can hope that the Russian / Indian infantry is not
        will allow to hollow tanks from RPGs freely from the sides, as is happening in Syria.
  45. Crang
    0
    2 June 2014 10: 21
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Of course, a roundabout of AZ shells without additional protection ...
    "there is no gut", but one can hope that the Russian / Indian infantry is not
    will allow to hollow tanks from RPGs freely from the sides, as is happening in Syria.

    In Syria at the moment, just the best tankers in the world. They have already woken up there like that. And the interaction of tanks with infantry there is so adjusted that we never dreamed of. We have already lost this experience after World War II.
    1. +1
      2 June 2014 11: 08
      Tankers are good, I sympathize with them. But there are fewer and fewer.
      Like tanks. About half of the T-72 is already irretrievably lost in 4 years.
      Because operations with the T-72 without dense infantry support, especially
      in urban areas - impossible without big losses.
      You must have seen on the action video how grenades and missiles enter between
      wheels and boxes DZ protection in the side of the housing, igniting the charges of AZ.
      1. 0
        2 June 2014 22: 11
        Quote: voyaka uh
        You must have seen on the action video how grenades and missiles enter between
        wheels and boxes DZ protection in the side of the housing, igniting the charges of AZ.

        Alexey, what do you think:
        if 10 bearded operators shoot the T-72 tank, and in the end only 4 tanks stop ... and only 2 of them are detonated with further detonation ... how many videos will be in YouTube ???
        Pralno - 2. And they - twist like a mad rabbit.
        Is the idea clear?
        1. 0
          2 June 2014 23: 39
          It is clear, of course, that the militants make propaganda videos.
          But the loss of 1/3 of the armored vehicles officially recognized by the Syrian authorities yet
          half year ago.
          President Assad, unfortunately, has only one tank brigade - excellent,
          which is commanded by his own brother. And one artillery. the brigade. All soldiers
          and the officers are Alawtites, the people of whom the president himself is. And the pilots, of course.
          Also - the Alawites. These two brigades and transfer from place to place on
          hot spots.
          And the infantry was recruited from the Sunnis. At the start of the civil war, all foot soldiers or
          deserted, or went into action. Therefore, all the infantry have
          recruit from Lebanese or Iraqi Shiites. They fight not bad, but the Alawites
          despise and do not want to be under their command.
          Therefore, in all the videos you see only Syrian tanks. Nobody supports them.
          Shiite infantry will come later (if it sees fit :(
          1. 0
            2 June 2014 23: 53
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Shiite infantry will come later (if it sees fit :(

            Alexey, I'm not an expert on Syria ... (I just "encountered" Sunites and Shiites).
            And what you write is ... shitty.
            Thanks for the info.
    2. 0
      2 June 2014 22: 07
      Quote: Krang
      And the interaction of tanks with infantry there is so adjusted that we never dreamed of. We have already lost this experience after World War II.

      Hmm ...
      Ivan, do not so confidently climb into those topics in which you ZERO ABSOLUTE.
      Yes, I'm rude.
      And I will always do so when they write those who did not smell it.

      You were not in the Czechs-1 and Czechs-2. These are two different things.
      Just continue to rivet articles about your dreams (this time it was really interesting to read), but do not go where you ... you understand.
      There is no desire to swear.
  46. Crang
    0
    2 June 2014 11: 32
    Quote: voyaka uh
    You must have seen on the action video how grenades and missiles enter between
    wheels and boxes DZ protection in the side of the housing, igniting the charges of AZ.

    Saw, but these are mostly old shots. Now we have learned. Now for one lost tank there are 10 who carry out their task and urinate the militants in the city providing the actions of infantrymen. Here's how they are fighting now:
    http://yandex.ru/video/search?text=танки%20мочать%20боевиков%20в%20сирии&filmId=
    CXYNTkRbUXI
    1. 0
      2 June 2014 15: 11
      I watched the video on your link.
      Tanks, of course, maneuver remarkably, thereby preventing grenade launchers
      take aim.
      But, if we distract from the battle emotions:
      1) on the streets of no infantryman, not a single armored personnel carrier.
      2) tanks DO NOT fire machine guns.
      Imagine who the gunner of the 125 mm tank gun is aiming at in the city?
      Suppose he saw an action movie in the window. One shot - one person.
      What is the ammunition of the tank? :)
      As far as I know, T-72 use 2 main types of shells: HE
      and OBPS. The first ones carry the front brick wall, but the back rooms
      remain intact. The second punch through the building and fly on.
      Neither one nor the other, as you yourself understand, is very effective against
      militants in houses.
      1. Crang
        +1
        2 June 2014 20: 04
        So did not look.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        1) no infantryman on the streets

        They acted inside buildings.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        2) tanks DO NOT fire machine guns.

        Lead, he just is not visible.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Imagine who the gunner of the 125 mm tank gun is aiming at in the city?

        If you looked, they should have heard the commentator. Tanks were given target designation by infantrymen inside the buildings. And they got the enemy right through the walls of the houses.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        As far as I know, T-72 use 2 main types of shells: HE
        and OBPS.

        Right.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The first ones carry the front brick wall, but the back rooms
        remain intact

        The radius of the continuous destruction of the OFS is 50 m2. Plus a cloud of fragments that fly into all windows, doors and other cracks.
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The second punch through the building and fly on.

        As a result of breaking through the concrete walls, a cloud of fragments is formed again. Which the enemy is struck by. In some cases, BOPSs are even more effective than OFSs against infantry.
      2. +1
        2 June 2014 22: 18
        Quote: voyaka uh
        1) on the streets of no infantryman, not a single armored personnel carrier.
        2) tanks DO NOT fire machine guns.
        Imagine who the gunner of the 125 mm tank gun is aiming at in the city?
        Suppose he saw an action movie in the window. One shot - one person.

        Hmm ...
        Alexey, the battle in the city is one of the most difficult bjak.
        An effective battle in the city is IMPOSSIBLE without the creation of assault groups, where the infantryman will be the basis of this assault group, and the tank is part of the FIRE SUPPORT GROUP and other support groups.
        If you are interested, google the construction of a "Christmas tree" of armored vehicles during a battle in the city or ... just read the BUSV, parts 3 and 2 are on the internet.
        wink

        .............

        By the way, in the T-72 there are the following types of shells:
        -OF, not "high-explosive" ... there is a "pimp" on the fuse, which decides - "what and which rooms to smash into dust."
        -Cumulative (funnel).
        - Sub-Caliber (crowbar).
        -Excluding ur.
        Yes
        1. +3
          2 June 2014 23: 23
          "Alexey, the fight in the city is one of the hardest byak."

          Yes, I know ... Do not bring the Lord to be there. Our company was not taken
          at one time: "insufficiently trained", although they completed a 2-day course before
          in a special town - "a la Syria / Palestine" :)
          I was already not very young, hot and, frankly, I breathed a sigh of relief.
          1. +2
            2 June 2014 23: 30
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Our company was not taken

            So ... so GOD has saved you, namesake.
            Take care of your life for their relatives.
            Live for them.
            Good luck - Sincerely ...
            drinks
            1. +1
              2 June 2014 23: 33
              Good night Alex and good health to you! Toast for Russian Arms! drinks
              1. +1
                3 June 2014 00: 17
                Quote: studentmati
                Good night Alex and good health to you! Toast for Russian Arms!

                Wah ...
                Greetings, Sasha !!!
                It’s a pity that he rarely came in.
                Mutually! Pouring ...
                drinks
                But I was already "from the office" - I wandered through the forest for two days, pumped oxygen into my lungs, otherwise the infection does not breathe ...
                laughing
                1. +1
                  3 June 2014 01: 09
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  It’s a pity that he rarely came in.


                  Although rare, it means not gone! Do not wait! For the victory of our weapons, Lesh! drinks
  47. 0
    2 June 2014 13: 05
    There is a question from the kettle.
    And why "Attach a steel strip to the three turret boxes of spare parts and accessories, from which metal chains with rubber balls at the ends should hang down with a step of 5-7 cm. The balls should drag a little along the roof of the case"?
    Logically could not understand.
    1. Crang
      +1
      2 June 2014 13: 28
      This is done on the Merkava tank. With the lightness and low cost in the implementation of such a design, it is a good anti-cumulative shield that prevents the penetration of cumulative ammunition under the root of the tower (the most vulnerable spot) and at the same time does not interfere with the rotation of the tower and does not interfere with the driver's mechanic if something gets out through his hatch (he just spread the chains and that's it ).
      1. +1
        2 June 2014 21: 15
        Thank you very much for your answer.
  48. -1
    2 June 2014 15: 01
    And who in Russia except UVZ is still engaged in the design and manufacture of armored vehicles? It’s just no one, there is no competition, the Urals have a clear gag with ideas and most importantly with the embodiment of something new in steel, but there are no others or no one hears them and that most likely the party’s general line so desires in this matter ....
    Maybe in May 2015. really pleasantly surprise and delight?
  49. Crang
    0
    2 June 2014 15: 02
    Quote: STALGRAD76
    And who in Russia except UVZ is still engaged in the design and manufacture of armored vehicles?

    Omsk and St. Petersburg.
  50. -1
    2 June 2014 22: 37
    And who are they going to fight with on these tanks? Probably with the Papuans.
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  52. Corsican
    -1
    15 June 2014 21: 15



    Замечательная статья. До этого моё мнение о модифцированных т72 РФ было довольно высоким. Я искренне считал что меняется не пушка и автомат заряжания, а башня целиком!!! И в видео выше говориться что двигатель там 1200 лошадок.Откуда он берут эту информацию??? Но без всего этого он убог.
  53. Corsican
    +1
    15 June 2014 21: 27
    Quote: lapo32
    Especially in modern combat, infantry fighting vehicles and more relevant

    Танк и бмп машины разного назначения. Сравнивать, а тем более заменять одно другим глупо. Есть видео в котором рассматривается боевое применене обоих машин.
  54. +1
    17 June 2014 13: 22
    Quote: samoletil18
    Here! In the Soviet years, this was clear even to a 9th grade student. What matters is not hp, but torque.

    Сдвигает с места крутящий момент, он рулит, как характеристика на маленьких скоростях, лошадиные силы помогут быстро ехать. Школьный курс физики. С двигателем, рассчитанным на 1500 л.с. можно будет долго держать 50 км/ч без убиения двигателя. Попробуйте ездить на Т-72 быстрее, чем 40 км/ч, и почувствуйте разницу. Форсировку по лошадям, как правило, проводят по оборотам, а для этого необходимо снижать вес движущихся частей. Это другие сплавы, стали, тщательный подбор геометрии подвижных частей поршневой группы, шатунов. Всё имеет свою цену. Но мне кажется, что стране с развитой металлургией, мы можем себе это позволить, вплоть до замены на титан, или вообще турбину.
  55. -1
    24 June 2014 18: 06
    Нда печально, что характерно, у нас всегда вся самая лучшая техника идет на продажу, себе оставляем всякое отребье. Вот например т-90МС хорош во всем, куда ни глянь...а т-72Б3 - несуразица какая то...
  56. 0
    29 July 2014 22: 11
    Неужто так сложно было ДЗ на башне без зазоров установить и нормальные экраны с ДЗ по бортам сделать?
  57. Denis fj
    +3
    24 August 2014 01: 44
    I want to add about hysteria about the T-72b3 tank, the tank will be finalized to the T-90s level, that's what they said about the exhibition.

    Therefore, during the X International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition Russia Arms EXPO 2013, held in Nizhny Tagil, it was reported that in 2014 it is planned to further develop the T-72B3 tank adopted by the Russian army. It is planned to install a panoramic sight of the commander, hardware of the software complex of a unified tactical link control system, as well as equipment for controlling remote munition detonation.
  58. Denis fj
    +1
    24 August 2014 01: 56
    I want to add about hysteria about the T-72b3 tank, the tank will be finalized to the T-90s level, that's what they said about the exhibition.

    Therefore, during the X International Exhibition of Arms, Military Equipment and Ammunition Russia Arms EXPO 2013, held in Nizhny Tagil, it was reported that in 2014 it is planned to further develop the T-72B3 tank adopted by the Russian army. It is planned to install a panoramic sight of the commander, hardware of the software complex of a unified tactical link control system, as well as equipment for controlling remote munition detonation.
  59. 0
    31 October 2018 02: 38
    И сколько он в итоге будет весить? как абраша или маркуша? laughing

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