Poroshenko non-carbonated

The newly minted, but not inaugurated, "president" of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, announced that Ukraine refuses to continue buying gas from Russia. The reason for the demarche is the high price that Poroshenko does not like. Between the lines in this statement of the extraordinary Ukrainian head, one can read the following: we refuse further purchases of gas from Russia, but not theft, because reasonable Europe is not going to refuse to purchase blue fuel from Gazprom.

Petro Poroshenko quotes ITAR-TASS:

Russia wants to sell gas to Ukraine for $500. Okay, but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it.

A few days before Poroshenko's statements, another representative of the Ukrainian "authority", Finance Minister Shlapak, said that Ukraine would pay its debts only if Russia returned to the "previous" price of $268,5 per thousand cubic meters.

So far, Russia is leaving this version of Ukrainian blackmail without an official response, realizing that today the approaching summer and the funeral of Ukrainian industry that have already begun are playing into the hands of Kyiv. Moscow can well afford to wait for the first frosts in Ukraine, if Poroshenko remains as “president” until then.

Andrey Klepach, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation, spoke about the statements of the Ukrainian side:

This is critical for Ukraine. Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it.
Ukraine has gas in storage, but it works for the stability of supplies to Europe. So they can steal up to 9 billion or more, for some time this will allow them to hold out.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Poles are different

[Peter Timofeev]

And what about the Poles?

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Peter Timofeev

And what about the Poles?

Polish Eurasian volunteers arrived in Donetsk to "destroy the asymmetry"Polish Eurasians arrived in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). Group coordinator Bartosz Beker, a political science student writing on Xportal.pl, met with DPR leader Denis Pushilin.

- I do not represent the Polish pro-Atlantic government. I represent the free Polish people who are opposed to having NATO terrorist bases in Poland ... ”, Becker said at a rally in Donetsk. .

- We are trying to talk about the situation and the facts that are missing in the Polish media. There is an asymmetry in stories about Ukraine that we are trying to break down, says Becker. - We are talking about the fact that the financing of the opposition occurs with the assistance of external centers. This whole conflict is largely a projection of foreign, Western centers.

Earlier, NewsBalt wrote that the Polish public had published an open letter to the Russian people and the authorities of the Russian Federation, in which they stated that the recent events in Ukraine "strengthened our fears about the fate of all Eastern Slavs." The Poles are asking Putin to create a World Council of Slavs as a platform for contact and understanding "between our tribes."

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Peter Timofeev

And what about the Poles?

For company. And if on the topic, then Ukraine is the second greatest puncture of the United States and their entire hangout, after Libya.
The Americans are so afraid of the Russians that they decided to increase the territory of Russia and the population by 30 million people with their own hands. By the winter of next year it will be so. New Russia will become part of Russia, the remnants of Western Ukraine will be included in the Customs Union.

[major071]

I can imagine how, after the announcement of the piglet, they ran in Europe. No money - no gas, heat with firewood, but in Europe they are used to the sweet life.

[Roman1970]

Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

[Russophile]

Yes, the whole question is that the dill will start stealing, and we have guarantee obligations to the EU for the supply of gas. And it is not a fact that there will be commissions taking into account the amount of gas stolen. He will not receive money from the ukrei geyrop, which means he will demand from us. And what do we have with them without hardening a little tense?

[sherman1506]

this has already happened, the counters are on the border with Ukraine and it will not work to write off the stolen goods on us.

[yushch]

It won’t work, but I’ll make my face a brick like last time and yell that it was the Russians who cut off the gas, and they will fuck it up under the guise, they will this time too. And Russia again, in order to maintain its image, will suffer losses from these uh-bans.

[Deniska]

That's really nah ... r !!!! Europe supported the "democratic-fascist-Jewish-oligarchic" authorities, so let them look for their own gas.

[sso-xnumx]

sent warning letters to the GDP. I think you can warn about theft a couple more times. let the geyropa have a headache.

[ifolga]

Well, the Ruin seems to be integrating into the EU, so all payments for gas for the EU are on the border of the newly integrated "member".

[Egen]

Quote: Russophile

and we have guarantee obligations to the EU for the supply of gas

But something I don’t know, do we have a delivery contract like - to our border or to their receiver? If before them, then why are we not yet deploying troops to guard the pipeline corridor? And if before ours - why don't they do it?
And in general, in Ukraine there is a lot of everything nuclear, does everyone really care that it is uncontrolled? :(

[Cynic]

Quote: Egen

deliveries as - to our border or to their receiver?

Up to the borders of the EU, according to anyone, even an associated member of the EU is not the EU.

[cergey51046]

It is necessary to stop gas supplies through Ukraine. Let these 18 countries receive gas through other countries. I would sell gas only to the countries bordering us, and those, in turn, to whom they want, what’s my business.

[Cynic]

Quote: Russophile

dill will start stealing

Fu, call a spade a spade, how un-European!
The Europeans will again call this _ unauthorized gas extraction!

[Deniska]

Be quieter....At the exit from the Russian Federation there is a station with European observers who take measurements of the gas entering the transit pipe...and after Ukraine there is the same station. ))) 1 million m3 left the Russian Federation and 650 thousand m3 from Ukraine What does our warranty obligations have to do with it? We have put and where did he go in a free Ukraine ... There are already their guarantee obligations for transit. The entire GTS of Ukraine is in Ukrainian use, it does not belong to Gazprom and the Russian Federation.

[APASUS]

Quote: Roman1970

Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

What gas from the USA???
There are no terminals for receiving in full in Europe, and Ukraine cannot afford it at all - such costs. At the moment, there is only one terminal for sending LNG in the USA itself

[psg72]

Do you think Türkiye will let gas carriers through the straits. This is no less than an atomic bomb in a narrow strait. And God forbid that there is no Istanbul.

[Revolver]

Quote from psg72

Do you think Türkiye will let gas carriers through the straits. This is no less than an atomic bomb in a narrow strait. And God forbid that there is no Istanbul.

And God forbid that she didn’t let her go. Here is that rare topic in which I am selfishly interested. The less gas exported from America to America, the more there will be for sale, and accordingly the price will be lower, and not only for gas, but also for electricity and gasoline. And then how the heating bill comes in winter, you really want to shoot someone thread from evil.

[Egen]

Quote: Nagan

And the way the bill for heating comes in in the winter, so you want to shoot someone with a thread from evil.

Dear Nagan , but I thought you live somewhere in the South, and you, like in China, have enough air conditioners for the winter :)
In general, please clarify the situation, but where do you get gas from in the States? It is still imported, it is not enough. According to my data, the production of coal-bed methane is only 7,5% of consumption, shale - about 13%, in total about 20% - I agree, a lot, especially in billions, but it's far from the % ratio with Australia :) And what do you want to export?
In addition, familiar Americans tell beautiful stories about the global gasification of the United States in terms of transport using LNG in order to replace oil and gas fuel - they recently came to us in Kuzbass and sold technologies for transferring mining dump trucks to our local CBM, which, like, are already running around America in a bunch :) Therefore, it develops the opinion that you have the most market volume will increase significantly.
True, when you start asking people from visiting, but show the law about your discounts on gas cars or which Caterpillar on methane, for some reason everyone leaves and does not return :) :(

[Cynic]

Quote: Nagan

and correspondingly lower price

Do you think that your gas price in the US is PURE market? But what about state subsidies to gas companies?

[Egen]

Quote: Cynic

But what about state subsidies to gas companies?

And, subsidies are generally great with them! We're still far away :(
Here last year I sorted out a little with their laws, climbed the sites that I found. The mining boom began with the 1980 law on tax refunds for companies receiving fuel from unconventional sources (including CBM and others). The tax refund applied right up to 2003. The rate changed, the maximum was 27 dollars in terms of WTU per 1000 m3. At the same time, in 1990, the average production cost in the state of New Mexico was $48 - i.e. tax relief was 50%! But in general, these benefits paid off with other taxes and new jobs, for example, the same state of New Mexico received 6% of tax revenues from the production of CBM in 2000, + the federal budget of 211 million, + indirect income from dependent industries. Peak production of only CBM (without shale) was in 2008 - 55,8 billion m3, which amounted to approximately 7% of the total. Our Gazprom produces about 500 tons a year, the contract for China - 20 each. In our Kuzbass, we plan to produce CBM from 4 to 6 billion, while the reserves of CBM in Russia are more than 80 trillion (including only in Kuzbass - 13 ), which is more than the United States and China combined ...
In general, we have everything ahead :)

[Egen]

Quote: APASUS

There are no terminals for full reception in Europe

Moreover, half of the gas transport infrastructure needs to be redesigned for LNG. And that's even more cost. Where everything starts with 0, it's still okay there; but Europe already has a network of gas pipelines, to bungle it with LNG logistics means to bury the money already invested. And states and businessmen consider them :)

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Roman1970

Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

United Ukrainians will soon have to learn the intricacies of cooking on dung and firewood. Now in each yard there will be a common fire, where neighbors will cook dinner together. And in winter, everyone will sleep in the same room and warm themselves with physical exercises.

1. No one will provide reverse gas to Ukraine. This is already a hackneyed Maidan dream. The same dreamy and Maidan, like joining Europe.
2. Reducing consumption is just wonderful. In order for a cow to give more milk and eat less, she needs to be milked more and fed less.
3. Shale gas production is the death of the environment. It is clear that Poroshenko and his American masters do not care about the health of the Ukrainian natives and the future of their children. It is not for nothing that the Americans every year are more and more tense about the extraction of shale gas on their territory, but they love to develop it in native countries. And the most interesting thing is that the main deposits of shale gas are located in the Donbass, in Slavyansk, and in fact it no longer belongs to Ukraine.
4. Arrangements with American partners... I remember that the American cruisers and aircraft carriers in the Black Sea were waiting for Euromaidan when Crimea waved its hand. And where is Crimea now? And where are the promises of the American partners? And the construction of a liquefied gas terminal takes about two years. And it will be cold in winter.

[Nonik]

Oh, got to know you on the censor-no-wa These are the ones I've seen recently.

[podpolkovnik]

Srodu did not "mark" there.
Copy-pasted from another site.
And on the censor for such labels "banyat".

[Revolver]

Quote: Roman1970

Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

There is a choice. Here is nem's pennies.

[Cynic]

Quote: Roman1970

buy LPG from them for $1000. There is always a choice!

It seems that about $ 700 is drawn if Barak Khuseinovich does not print wrappers for discounts.
Fundamentally, printing is not a problem, but ...
You can’t print the infrastructure for receiving on a 3D printer, you need to build and build. Not a year, not two.
And in Ukraine everything will be decided much faster.

[Kibalchish]

Yes, due to recent events, now we can also raise the price ... when prolonging the agreement with the EU countries.

[Deniska]

With all this, they also pissed off Donbass coal

[Akvadra]

Yes, they do not care about the people, the industry, the country, everything in general! The main thing is that the sly uncles would nod approvingly behind the puddle. Themselves, the tea will not freeze in winter, they will not starve. All the same , the bloody Russian regime and insidious Putin will be blamed for everything .

[Boa kaa]

Quote: major071

No money - no gas, heat with wood,

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: major071

I can imagine how, after the announcement of the piglet, they ran in Europe. No money - no gas, heat with firewood, but in Europe they are used to the sweet life.

I would like to recall one funny episode that happened at a meeting between Vladimir Putin and German businessmen. “You don’t want gas, you don’t develop nuclear energy, and what, you will, heat wood?” We also need to go to Siberia for firewood. You see, you don’t even have firewood, ”the Russian leader joked to the loud laughter of German businessmen in November 2010 ...

[armageddon]

Hmm ... There are ... But it's a pity that only ... THERE ARE!!!

[maks-101]

Poroshenko switches to the production of sweets from gorikha, and now Ukrainians will be forced to bzdat into balloons.

[Barboskin]

Regarding the theft of gas, it is unlikely. Acceptance of gas for Europe will be carried out at the Russian border, therefore, already sold gas will go through Ukraine, for which we are not responsible. It will be very interesting for me to see when, for example, Germany runs out of gas. Poor Ukraine, it's almost like watching others who eat lard, and themselves growl with hunger.

[sv68]

Barboskin - Germany has a separate branch of the gas pipeline from Ukraine. And Europe fell under the United States and will blame us for stolen gas. The purely forceful option is the destruction of the top of Ukraine, and the establishment of a pro-Russian puppet government. All other options are nonsense

[muhomor]

Well, why! There is another option - taking under temporary control the (international) export pipe on the territory of Ukraine.

[Nonik]

Quote: muhomor

Well, why! There is another option - taking under temporary control the (international) export pipe on the territory of Ukraine.

If only Europe is forced to guard. They wouldn't dare shoot at them. But there is nothing for us to do there.

[Nuar]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Poroshenko switches to the production of sweets from gorich

what would you know. "Gorikh" is "nut". How to get rid of him is not clear to me.

[Revolver]

Quote: Nuar

Quote: maks-xnumx

Poroshenko switches to the production of sweets from gorich

what would you know. "Gorikh" is "nut". How to get rid of him is not clear to me.

So after all, it will not only be cold, but also hungry. We skipped the sowing crop, what will you collect? There will be no peas, no peas. So there will be nothing to even bzdit. Holodomor with a cold sea at once - this did not occur to even the most vicious commissars in their > | < Ido-Muscovite heads.

[podpolkovnik]

Copy-paste, couldn't resist

[boozer]

Attack of the clones right! Only from the next world do not return hundreds of those killed!

[persei]

and hydrogen sulfide is combustible ... that means ... they will drown it here!

[311ove]

Quote: maks-xnumx

production of sweets from gorikha

The meaning is clear, but, a small amendment - gorich in Ukrainian is a nut .... and peas, oddly enough and in Ukraine - peas.

[Negative]

here are the dill and showed their true face (or snout)

[Nekarmadlen]

Quote from negative

here are the dill and showed their true face (or snout)

So what do you say here? Whether d.u.r.a.k. , or something else ... As my mother says: "Unfinished!"

[nikcris]

Well, why - just independent. Unregistered

[armageddon]

Hmm ... I just wanted to write that FOOLS are not only OUR TROUBLE !!! Well, let them RUN ... THEN !!! Yes, and their roads are no better ...

[Suhov]

Quote: Armagedon

Hmm ... I just wanted to write that FOOLS are not only OUR TROUBLE!!!
Well, let them jump ... THEN !!! Yes, and their roads are no better ...

The problem is,
that "partners" after all managed pit the Slavs:
Russians, Belarusians, Poles and Ukrainians.
Moreover, at the suggestion of Judas Brzezinski,
the so-called American statesman of Polish origin.
In the massacre that is taking place in Ukraine, there will be no winners (among the Slavs), that's for sure, no matter who "wins".
Only the Anglo-Saxons will win per circle.

[yushch]

From the very beginning it was clear that the lads would not pay for gas. All this time they were pumping gas into their storage facilities to the maximum, and the Bear threatened them with his finger and was indignant that they were not paying.

[sherman1506]

everything was done right. as they say, we tried, but no, and there is no trial.

[bubalik]

Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine refuses to continue buying gas from Russia.

,,, Psaki convinced him where the gas came from,,, nu-nu,

[Duelist]

A highly expected refusal to buy gas from Russia. This bastard and his comrades threw their country under the feet of the Americans!

[polly]

Replace Mikola with Peter, but the essence is correct.

[mark2]

And so it will be! What the Kremlin is counting on is not clear. You can wait indefinitely, and khokhloukry will steal our social projects, pensions, public sector salaries, rearmament of our army. crests listen only to the United States. Europe is also not a decree for them! Or maybe really close the gas to everyone? A?

[Duelist]

Quote: mark2

What the Kremlin is counting on is not clear.

Now it's coming out theft of gas, shutting off the valve, and Europe will be set against Dill and ... mattresses! Who will give loans to Dill? and support it?
Europe will be for ending the conflict?

[max702]

If only the government of the Russian Federation does not turn on the back, otherwise voices are already heard about possible discounts after paying the debt This will be a catastrophic mistake, you can’t give in a single step, the current will feel slack and write wasted, on the contrary, tighten the screws even more at the slightest sign of a scam ...

[Duelist]

Quote: max702

If only the government of the Russian Federation did not turn on the back

Not a cent! Strictly "European prices"! Europe is interested and will squeeze Dill! Discounts can only be ALLIES, not fascists and traitors!.

[Vladislav]

Absolutely agree!!! If they don't want gas, let them buy firewood. Maybe from Europe. Can be free. Pickup...

[Andreitch]

Well, why are you so pissed off. On June 3rd, the valve will be closed, gas will flow in volumes intended only for Europe, in 1-3 weeks Europe will howl. Gazprom will invite observers (possibly immediately, on June 3rd), and then it's up to the lawyers.

[WKS]

Quote: mark2

Or maybe really close the gas to everyone? A?

Formally, we can't. It is necessary first to one Ukraine. And then after the obvious theft at the request of the "working EU" and the whole pipe. In principle, the northern stream has a reserve of almost 50%. They keep it artificially to stimulate the Ukrainian pipe. The countries of southern Europe will suffer.

[DMB87]

khokhloukry will steal our social projects, pensions, public sector salaries, rearmament of our army

This is how much to steal ...

[mamont5]

Quote: DMB87

This is how much to steal ...

Their work is like this. Ukrainian (adi) GAZ.

[Andrenaline]

According to the laws of the 90s. I'll have to ask for a favor as from those who understand ...

[Orik]

An idiotic expression "Russia wants to sell gas to Ukraine for $500. All right, but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it." If not needed! Why are you downloading for two months?!

[DerSamowar]

Look, what a swell, dear to him. You will heat the furnace with democracy and liberalism, you will now have a lot of them.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: DerSamowar

You will heat the furnace with democracy and liberalism, you will now have a lot of them.

But really - coal and firewood.

[Makarych]

So there will be no coal. This is not gas - you can’t slam it, in the evening money - in the morning chairs .....

[sherman1506]

coal is also now not theirs

[Egen]

Quote: sherman1506

coal is also now not theirs

Indeed, I wonder if Novorossiya will supply coal to Dill? If yes, then the calculation will be carried out in what currency? :)
- or there is simply nowhere to supply it :(

[HAM]

If the miners are on strike, what kind of coal? They probably forgot that the whole Donbass will become!

[silverwolf88]

Let Europe deal with this thieves on its own ... Europeans need to sell gas on our border ... then we'll see how they will support the current rulers of Ukraine ...

[HAM]

And, preferably in the buyer's container (jars, cans, buckets).

[Yuri Y.]

the funeral of Ukrainian industry has already begun.

In this case, they will not pay even for 50. They will steal. What kind of politics and economics.

[I think so]

If gas is not needed for factories and power plants, then there is ENOUGH gas for the population of OWN people in Ukraine ... This is the calculation - to ruin the factories, the population will live poorly on their own gas ... What is the plus? And the fact that the factory infrastructure of the Slavic world will collapse ... and this is useful for the West, he ALWAYS dreamed that the Slavs lived in devastation ... So he achieved (the West) his own ... Fathers grandfathers built starving ... Dneproges, Magnitogorsk ... Kharkov Tractor, Donbas mines ... and all this will most likely be destroyed ... We are weakening and we can be ignored ...

[Shadow1]

Tomorrow Poroshenko will say so-
Ukrainian geologists reported a sensation!
- It turns out that gas in Ukraine is not fucking Russian, but comes from some hefty pipe!

[Slovek]

Interesting statements by Mr. New Gauleiter
said February 19, 2014 probably about the Maidan? Need to check
search phrase: People's Deputy of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko (non-factional) calls on the leadership of the Security Service of Ukraine to refuse

[persei]

Parashenko changes his mind to the opposite INSTANTLY! So don't believe this bullshit.

[boozer]

Still that "girl of easy virtue"!

[Koronik]

"Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it."
- And what can not be done at all, there is nothing at all?
I don’t understand the control system, but there are some metering devices for the supplied volumes of gas, I’m sure that the receiving side of the EU has its own control system.
"So they can steal up to 9 billion or more, for some time this will allow them to hold out" If we perceive this with such "optimism", then there is nothing to talk about. Or do they hope that Russian consumers will compensate for the losses?

[sabakina]

As far as I know, there are counters at the entrance and exit, i.e. on the Russian-Ukrainian border and Urkainskaya-someone. Those. you can see how much is in the course and how much is the output.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Koronik

"Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it."
... they can steal up to 9 billion or more, for some time this will allow them to hold out ... hope that Russian consumers will compensate for the losses?

They mean 9 billion cubic meters of gas already in underground storage facilities in Ukraine, and then (just in time for winter) they will have to steal exclusively from Europe, directly from the export pipe. That's when we'll see if Europe will wipe out.

[sherman1506]

these tanks are filled to create pressure on the distillation of gas to Europe, if the Ukrainians start stealing gas from there, then you don’t even need to close the screw, the gas will stop on its own

[papas-57]

''That's when we'll see if Europe will wipe out''. Europe is far away, and we are at hand. Our oligarchs will take money from the Russians for the gas that was burned and unpaid for by crests, they are not used to incurring losses.

[I think so]

According to anyone, Russia will be the loser ... Europe will impose fines on Gazprom, and the proceeds from the fines will be given to Bandera to suppress Donetsk and Lugansk ... And Russia will chew snot without helping Donetsk and supplying Bendera with gas and money ... This has already happened. ..And why does Putin mumble and does not recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk Republics and does not send troops there to help repel Kiev's aggression? ... Seven troubles, one answer, all the same, they will make Russia guilty of everything ... So at least it will save some of the resources, and looking at it, both Odessa and Kharkov will rise ...

[soviet skytourist]

we now have a lot of talk ...... they will drown, because it’s full in the country and in the heads, especially among local hetmans, and the people will warm up with jumps, because whoever doesn’t jump that mos ......., sorry - unseen

[valentina-makanalina]

The valve must be closed! If they steal, then let Europe put its controllers at the entrance to Ukraine and at the exit from it. And then let them figure it out for themselves. They won't. then close the valve in Europe. Let them wait for shale gas from the USA. I think we will not die, we will survive without a pipe to the west. Let's go southeast.

[I think so]

Not everything is so simple ... According to the CURRENT contracts, Gazprom SHOULD DELIVERY gas not in Ukraine, but if I'm not mistaken somewhere in Hungary ... And if you don't, YOU SHOULD BREAK THE CONTRACT with all the ensuing SANCTIONS AND FINES ... NEVER rewrite contracts in Europe AGREE or for very big gas discounts ... I don’t know whose fault Russia has climbed into (Yeltsin, Chernomyrdin, Vyakhirev or Miller) they will slam ... We will have to give gas to Bandera and also finance them (through fines from Europeans) ... Therefore, it is most expedient to RECOGNIZE Donetsk and Lugansk to send troops there, block the Ukrainian pipe (and possibly ALL EUROPEAN pipes) and work for Asia ... True, this is fraught with a deterioration in the situation of the population of Russia ... But nothing if people understand that they are fighting WILL SUFFER ANY deprivation ... Putin GO! And if you're afraid - GO!

[Signaller]

Yes, they just got used to it already, for the long 23 years of "our market". And what kind of market we have, we have a BAZAR. This is how they answer. This is how they usually trade at the bazaar when they buy seeds.

[nikcris]

It seems that there is such a cunning scheme that we will have to wash ourselves.
Otherwise, I can not delve into the farts of Gazprom.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

in Gazprom, people are sitting on urootkatah campaign!)))

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

in Gazprom, people are sitting on urootkatah campaign!)))

Well, there was no doubt that they sawed before, and they shared with Fuyegolova in full that she signed such documents, she even got into the rack.
For business?
But now the Gazprom campaign is at gunpoint, stealing is more expensive for yourself.

[Egen]

Quote: dmitriygorshkov

But now the Gazprom campaign is at gunpoint, stealing is more expensive for yourself.

Yes, all this is a lie about kickbacks. In Gazprom, salaries are not small anyway, although the work is difficult from morning to night, it is attractive, there are enough people who want to take risks, no one is stupid, but in a big way everything is transparent, the security service is also a pro and strict, checks, etc.

[sherman1506]

everything is done right there, by winter Europe will say, do what you want, but we need gas supplies

[cerbuk6155]

How they stole and will steal gas. It is necessary to demand money from Europe, let them pay for the gas that crossed the border of RUSSIA and entered the territory of Ukraine. If they don’t want to pay, then they support theft and close the valve completely. Until payment is received, do not open.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: cerbuk6155

It is necessary to demand money from Europe, let them pay for the gas that crossed the border of RUSSIA and entered the territory of Ukraine.

Yeaaa! Unfortunately, there is the Treaty and international law. So, according to this document (and in accordance with m-r tradition), the consumer pays ONLY FOR WHAT HE PARTICULARLY RECEIVED! At the end of the pipe according to the meter. And how you will deliver this gas is your problem seller. It can also be liquefied by tankers to European ports. But Europe will only pay for what is on the counter. (Estimate the situation for yourself: a scarecrow from the gas office comes to you and says that you need to pay 150 rubles, and according to the meter you received gas for 80 rubles! How will you behave? That's right: send this gasman by forest. Same here) . Therefore, there is only one way out: to increase the pressure in the Nord Stream, liquefy it and transport it in gas carriers in order to wean the parasites from the pipe. IMHO.

[ifolga]

OPAL gas pipeline
http://www.pro-gas.ru/pipe/news/56.htm
Therefore, since the Ruin is integrated into the EU (plus a coup d'état can be considered as force majeure), then let them pay on the border with the Ruin. Russia has not yet recognized the new government there. If they don't want to close the spit to the Ruin, let them open OPEL. They will not open OPAL, they will have problems, and they will have problems, but we will have them in the medium term, and they will have them forever. Regarding compliance with contracts, Ruina does not comply with them, and she was politically associated in the EU, i.e. an associated member of the EU does not comply with the contract, let the EU be responsible for this.

[Shadow1]

Another joke on the topic
Ukraine. Near future. Husband brings home a hare.
- Wife, fry a hare in lard!
- We have no fat ...
- Well, fry in oil!
We don't have any oil...
- Well, so fry ... just fry, in a frying pan on gas !!!
We don't have gas!
The husband swings in his hearts and throws the hare out the window. The hare runs and shouts: - "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"

[Arkan]

The newly minted, but not inaugurated, "president" of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko

Baked, but not yet cared for. It is also possible to extract "gas" from this.

[Vladislav]

It may very well be. And with the onset of the first frosts, it will pass for firewood. The ones from Europe.

[doc62]

America for them will stretch a pipe from Washington, they are already peeping on their sites with joy. right across the atlantic

[dmitriygorshkov]

Quote: doc62

America will stretch a pipe for them from Washington

and insert it into the hollow!

[Juborg]

Campaign guys, the black hand of the brother is felt from behind the Atlantic puddle. Well, unwashed Europe, will we watch how they steal your gas, or switch to firewood? Again, from Siberia!

[Vesnik]

Pasha is some kind of "crazy" steam locomotive with "options" to "get out in the future. It only "thinks" that this steam locomotive will "drill" at the very first "turn" with a South-East sign.

[020205]

Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine refuses further gas purchases from Russia

We will sow everything with peas,
And then we'll eat it.
Let Russia be bad -
Let's jump, fart and sing:
“This is not khukhry-muhry for you -
Both Adam and Eve are Ukrainians!
Hey, let's fart, hey, let's fart.
Fuck us a gas mask -

This is our national gas.
Let's fart together many times!
Our glorious leader Yaytsenyuk
Praises our fun bunch.
Hey, let's go, hey, let's fart!
Do you hear, Putin, a terrible sound? -
This is our mighty fart!
Hey, let's hoot, hey, let's fart!
I'll give everyone a medal,
Who does not fart, that b.
Hey, let's hoot, let's fart a hundred times!
We have millions of butts
Let's sell gas to Europe!
We are the EU for this fart
They promised a lot!
Hey, grunt, fart a hundred times!
To quickly die
Let's give a fuck about him.
From such a damn stench
All the Colorados will die!
Hey, let's hoot, fart-fart!

[BOB044]

Now all non-fallow countries will be strenuously eating pea soup and will be supplying the country with gas in turn to a large gas pipe. Khokhlov can’t be taken with a bare debt account. God forgive the country.

[Evgtan]

The Ukrainians weren't happy with the economy under Yanukovych, so they elected former economic development minister Yanukovych as president.

People's Ukrainian sign: They chose a new president - wait for a new Maidan!

[020205]

Ukrainians started gas production

[capex1]

I'll see what this piggy will sing in winter!!! Or again, the whole of Ukraine will go to the Maidan to bask !!! In short, the bitter experience of the predecessors of this maggot does not teach anything

[jPilot]

I think this is the intrigues of the United States, regarding shale gas from eastern Ukraine, such as win back and you will be happy. Therefore, they will declare such, in a word, woodpeckers!

[nikcris]

But I don’t understand water - why they don’t steal from an oil pipe. It's more expensive there.

[Penzyac]

Quote: nikcris

But I don’t understand water - why they don’t steal from an oil pipe. It's more expensive there.

Don't suggest!

[zadorin1974]

THEY ARE ALREADY SELLING RESERVE OIL FROM THE OIL PIPELINES-INSTEAD OF IT, THEY PUMP THE WATER COMPOSITION-YEAR TWO AND THE TREND OF THEIR MAINLINE

[I think so]

The oil pipes belong to the JEWS, but how can they steal from themselves? It’s not a simple Ukrainian who steals, but a RESPONSIBLE one, but such people are one of the JEWISH nation ... The answer is simple as always ... Well, and the BASIC FLOW of oil to Europe goes through Belarus, and through Ukraine a minuscule amount, which you can not pump ...

[Ivan 63]

I strongly disagree with the author that Moscow can "wait until the cold weather" - if you want, then pay for guest workers in your entrance, and why should we pay for a fascist state seething with hatred for its creditor? No discounts - money in advance, and gas geyrope according to the meter at the input to Ukraine and to geyrope - there is a shortage - crests pay.

[I think so]

Not everything is so simple ... Gazprom's contracts provide for the DELIVERY OF GAS to the consumer NOT IN Ukraine, but outside its territory, did not deliver gas in FULL - sanctions, fines ... NOBODY WILL REWRITE contracts in Europe (they need to remove stupid Russia from such a hook) ... Russia will puff up and puff up and will give gas to the Bendera people and also money ... unless, of course, Putin makes a DECISION ... But that weakling and co-worker will not make a CARDINAL decision, but will keep on and on until they DO NOT PRESS ( as with Crimea).

[G8K]

Porashkin fulfills the US order to destroy Ukraine. He makes the second Samali at our borders.

[fly fishing]

Recognize the Lugansk and Donetsk republics. Incorporate into Russia.
Protect from Nazis. Close the gas valve for Kyiv. Or is Putin afraid of something?!

[marder4]

Yes, they’ve already blocked, the point is that they start to steal European gas, and the arrows are moving us ...

[I think so]

BRAVO! You are reading my mind! But Putin is unlikely to go for this, he is STSYKUN by nature and will delay making such a decision until the last, as was the case with Crimea ... EVERYONE has already agreed to live with Crimea in Russia and Crimeans and Russians and the Duma and the Council of the Federation, and this hero is ep ... mother himself boasted on TV "did not sign until the last moment" ... And do you think he will talk STRICTLY with Europe? Yes, no, he will fawn and make excuses ... Until now, he has not said anything about the MASSACRE OF PEACEFUL PEOPLE in Ukraine ... Oh, I don’t want to continue about this ...

[Giant thought]

And the counter clicks, yes the counter clicks, at the end of the journey you will have to pay off - V.S. Vysotsky. No matter how much Khokh.ly is stolen, you still have to pay, they will not go anywhere.

[I think so]

Oh, yours is not true ... Most likely Russia will pay for EVERYTHING ... as it was before ... and gas will supply and finance Ukraine and Donetsk and Lugansk will hand over to Bandera ... Kadyrov would have resolved such issues in Putin's place IN A SECOND I would have ONE OWN IMAGE ... without even using real actions ... I would have announced - "I consider everyone who will steal our gas to be MY PERSONAL BODY ENEMIES" ... That's it! Khokhols would immediately become docile. There is already an example - the release of correspondents ...

[marder4]

the current "government" of Ukraine is already openly pulling the country towards default in order to be able to loudly declare: "we forgive everyone to whom we owe"

[Boa kaa]

Quote: marder4

the current "government" of Ukraine is already openly pulling the country towards default in order to be able to loudly declare: "we forgive everyone to whom we owe"

Arbitration may decide to recover debts with the bankrupt's property, such as factories, mines, buildings, etc. For the amount of the debt. But this, if there is an honest trial, and not double standards in relation to Russia.

[G8K]

BTW, dill also promotes the release of GAS.

[sabakina]

I keep thinking, but what, gas is also "not required" for industry?

[Reserve buildbat]

It would be nice to shut off the gas ... BUT! Immediately, a howl will begin that Russia is not fulfilling its obligations to supply gas to geyropu. And so you have to be a little patient. Just when the deliveries go in the "100% geyrope, 0 gram urcam" mode, it will become clear what's what. Then the "world community" (sorry, I couldn't find a more suitable name, even a swear word is not enough) will have no reason to scream that Russia is not fulfilling its obligations, is terrorizing everyone, and so on.

[ratnik]

Hey fat!!!

[020205]

Quote: Thought Giant

And the counter is a click, but the counter is a click, at the end of the path you have to pay

so they will pay off by recognizing Crimea as the territory of the Russian Federation. Although this is just a formality

[nator78]

Yes, everything will be the same: crests steal gas, firmly believing that stealing gas from her is sacred - Europe is outraged, but continues to support dill. In the end, ours make concessions and forgive all debts, and even pay extra from above, the main thing is that our oligarchs are not affected by sanctions and the West does not take all their money abroad and real estate, and this is easy to do, because laws are not written for the West (s) , and if someone starts to resent, then everything is decided with the help of money and weapons. And just do Russian gas belongs to the people of the Russian Federation, and only a few receive money, although they then believe that they are the masters of life, and all the rest in Russia are lackeys.

[I think so]

Roughly but accurately in essence the real state of affairs in the world and today's Russia ...

[Partisan Kramaha]

Quote: maks-xnumx

Poroshenko switches to the production of sweets from gorikha, and now Ukrainians will be forced to bzdat into balloons.

Goryh in Ukrainian-walnut. Maybe you meant peas, so he is peas and on the move.

[lexx2038]

That's how he became a millionaire with such a brain? Mystery!

[Anton-sed]

Everyone was warned and turned off. What is the problem? Let Europe deal with its friends. The transfusion from empty to empty is real. I pay for gas every month. Why shouldn't a completely foreign country with boors and fascists in power pay? Putin is somewhere such a tough ruler, and somewhere a rag

[I think so]

Well, I don’t remember at all "Putin is such a tough ruler somewhere ..." well, I would like to recall at least one example ... but the opposite is in BULK ...

[Bormental]

Piglet without gas is a new dish of Ukrainian cuisine.

[Ossetian]

peas, reducer and instruction

[skifo]

here it is! Poroshenko thinks so too!

[muhomor]

Probably Gazprom will still be blown away. The situation is terrible. They don’t want to pay. If you turn on the valve, they will steal. The West, according to the contract, will make claims against Gazprom. America benefits from economic slaughter in Europe. Conclusion: we must make concessions. So the terms are dictated (blackmail) by Kyiv. Although, as I already said, you can try to take control of the (temporary) pipe.

[I think so]

Here only Putin can make a DECISION. And this is a GLOBAL solution. With whom will Russia go into the future? With the two-faced, corrupt, evil, petty and envious old woman Geyropa or with the Asians. And based on this -
1. Occupation of the southeast, and better yet, all of Ukraine, followed by its annexation to Russia.
2. The Gay Europeans will speak out - SHUT OFF GAS AND OIL FOR PERMANENTLY.
3. Redirection of gas and oil flows to China, Japan, India.
4. Reindustrialization of Russia. Restoring destroyed factories. Smoking out the fifth column. Exclusion of the Jewish Diaspora from state management of finances and assets.

[RUS33]

Quote: lexx2038

That's how he became a millionaire with such a brain? Mystery!

So his dad was a big shot in the Communist Party of Ukraine. Draw your own conclusions.

[lankrus]

I think that the money that Europe promised will simply be transferred directly to Russia for gas, so the crests can suck the gas as much as they want, but they will still have to suck it.

[USSR]

The normal option for all our gay European so-called partners (England France Finland Baltic states Poland Romania) is to raise the price of gas four to five times, these are our retaliatory sanctions, and normal ones are adequate such as the Czech Republic, etc. on the contrary, discounts. Of course, they will scream, but they will buy. And let them prove any fines under the gas supply agreement in court as Ukraine proposes, and winter is just around the corner. So our losses in Ukraine can be returned at the expense of Euromaidan sponsors and supported in the southeast. Of course. radically, but business is business, as they like to say. It’s something like this.

[Alex Danilov]

Quote: I think so

Not everything is so simple ... According to the CURRENT contracts, Gazprom SHOULD DELIVERY gas not in Ukraine, but if I'm not mistaken somewhere in Hungary ... And if you don't, YOU SHOULD BREAK THE CONTRACT with all the ensuing SANCTIONS AND FINES ... NEVER rewrite contracts in Europe AGREE or for very big gas discounts ... I don’t know whose fault Russia has climbed into (Yeltsin, Chernomyrdin, Vyakhirev or Miller) they will slam ... We will have to give gas to Bandera and also finance them (through fines from Europeans) ... Therefore, it is most expedient to RECOGNIZE Donetsk and Lugansk to send troops there, block the Ukrainian pipe (and possibly ALL EUROPEAN pipes) and work for Asia ... True, this is fraught with a deterioration in the situation of the population of Russia ... But nothing if people understand that they are fighting WILL SUFFER ANY deprivation ... Putin GO! And if you're afraid - GO!

I would have cut off EVERYTHING a long time ago, not just gas - to all these fucking Westerners and all of Europe that supports them. So let the USA supply them. So that they die there from the cold and hunger, they are dead. They crawled on their knees would be, creatures!

"4. Re-industrialization of Russia. Restoration of destroyed factories. Smoking out the fifth column. Exclusion of the Jewish diaspora from state management of finances and assets."----

It’s high time to shoot, cut, strangle, hang all the traitors, thieves, bandits, murderers - then Russia will live well. The country and people will develop and grow stronger, bloom and smell. And other countries, looking at such a flourishing Russia and its people - who - live well - will stand in line for Russia to take them into Russia, they will beg. Russia - really has a chance - to turn the entire continent of Eurasia into one Russia, without wars. But the Army has always been, is and it will be. And Russia - this army - was, is and will be - better and stronger than all the armies combined, a guarantor of the defense of Russia.

[Alex Danilov]

.la! I really don’t understand. Russia has EVERYTHING. Absolutely EVERYTHING - to be the only superpower. ALL the trump cards for the whole of Eurasia to become Russia, and without wars. And because of the traitorous assholes, thieves-assholes, bandits-assholes, murderers-assholes - Russia can’t get out of this shit! It seems like it’s starting to crawl out - thank God! God willing, we can come out and be a superpower. We really, really hope.

[nomad74]

The government of Ukraine is arrogant street cormorants who have just moved from under the wing of the authority that patronized them from their street to another more authoritative one, but from a different region! Hence the exorbitant insolence and rudeness towards his former roof! For betrayal, they are severely punished on the street! Countries are no exception! We wait!

[boomerang.]

Quote: APASUS

What kind of gas from the USA??? There are no terminals for receiving full volumes in Europe, and Ukraine cannot afford it at all - such costs. At the moment, in the USA itself there is only one terminal for sending LNG

And there is no gas itself in America.
The US shale "miracle" unexpectedly received a serious blow after the country's government announced a revision of the estimate of recoverable oil reserves in the largest formation in the United States. http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/43120
They expect to receive gas in Slavyansk, but it is possible that there is not enough gas in Slavyansk.

[Zomanus]

The main thing is to believe in a miracle; it is not necessary to test it. Just like cheap liquefied gas to Europe via gas carriers. When each gas carrier will stand up for unloading after fulfilling the next conditions.

[zakidon73]

If Poroshenko wants gas to return to old prices, Ukraine must take one important step - place Russian military bases in Western Ukraine. And we (Russia) feel good, and Ukraine with cheap gas, and the West in hysterics - there are only advantages!

[Zomanus]

If we sell gas on the border between Russia and Ukraine, then everything is fine. Ukrainians are already stealing gas from Europe. Let her tinker with them. If on the border between Ukraine and Europe, everything is more complicated here. But in any case, we are winning in the Southeast, the cent and the Westerners received the first coffins and began to think hard. Even if in summer Ukraine lives on its previously stolen reserves, autumn and winter will put everything in its place. Poroshenko will now sell his business and spin the country so that the entire periphery will fly away. Especially in the south and southeast.