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Poroshenko non-carbonated

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The newly-minted, but uninitiated, "president" of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine was refusing to continue buying gas from Russia. The reason for the demarche is the high price that does not suit Poroshenko. Between the lines in this statement of the extraordinary Ukrainian chapter, you can read the following: we refuse further purchases of gas from Russia, but not theft, because a reasonable Europe is not going to refuse to buy blue fuel from Gazprom.


Poroshenko non-carbonated


Petro Poroshenko quotes ITAR-TASS:

Russia wants to sell gas to Ukraine for $ 500. Well, but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it.


A few days before Poroshenko’s statements, another representative of the Ukrainian “government,” Finance Minister Shlapak, said that Ukraine would pay its debts only if Russia returns to the “previous” price - 268,5 dollars per thousand cubic meters.

Russia still leaves this version of Ukrainian blackmail without an official answer, realizing that Kiev is playing into the coming summer and the funeral of Ukrainian industry that has already begun. Moscow can well afford to wait for the first frosts in Ukraine, if until then Poroshenko will continue as a “president”.

Regarding the statements of the Ukrainian side, Deputy Head of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of the Russian Federation Andrei Klepach commented:

This is critical for Ukraine. Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it.
Ukraine has gas in storage, but it works on the stability of supplies to Europe. So they can steal up to 9 billion and more, for a while it will allow them to hold out.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 May 2014 19: 08
    +21
    Poles are different
    1. Peter Timofeev
      Peter Timofeev 29 May 2014 19: 17
      +5
      What about the Poles?
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 29 May 2014 19: 24
        +29
        Quote: Peter Timofeev
        What about the Poles?


        Polish Eurasian volunteers arrived in Donetsk to “break the asymmetry” Polish Eurasians arrived in Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). Group coordinator Bartosz Becker, a political scientist writing on the Xportal.pl portal, met with DNR leader Denis Pushilin.

        - I do not represent the Polish pro-Atlantic government. I represent the free Polish people who are opposed to having NATO terrorist bases in Poland ... ”, Becker said at a rally in Donetsk. .

        - We are trying to talk about the situation and those facts that are not in the Polish media. There is an asymmetry in the stories about Ukraine that we are trying to destroy, says Becker. - We say that the financing of the opposition is supported by external centers. All this conflict is to a large extent a projection of foreign, western centers.

        Earlier, NewsBalt wrote that the Polish public published an open letter to the Russian people and the authorities of the Russian Federation, in which they stated that recent events in Ukraine "have strengthened our fears about the fate of all Eastern Slavs." The Poles are asking Putin to create a World Council of Slavs as a platform for contact and mutual understanding "between our tribes."
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 30 May 2014 10: 54
        0
        Quote: Peter Timofeev
        What about the Poles?

        For company. And if on the topic, then Ukraine is the second greatest puncture of the United States and all its parties, after Libya.
        Americans are so afraid of Russians that they decided to increase the territory of Russia and the population by 30 million people with their own hands. It will be so by the winter of next year. New Russia will become part of Russia, the remnants of Western Ukraine will be included in the CU.
    2. major071
      major071 29 May 2014 19: 20
      +31
      I imagine how after the statement of the piglet, they ran in Europe. There is no money - there is no gas, stoke with wood, but in Europe they are used to a sweet life.
      1. Roman1970
        Roman1970 29 May 2014 19: 30
        +30
        Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!
        1. Russophile
          Russophile 29 May 2014 20: 37
          +1
          Yes, the whole question is that dill will be stolen, and we have guarantees for gas supplies to the EU. And not the fact that there will be commissions that take into account the amount of gas stolen. He will not receive money from the ukraine geyropa, which means he will demand from us. And what we have with them without ukrev little stress?
          1. sherman1506
            sherman1506 29 May 2014 20: 56
            +5
            it already was, the counters are on the border with Ukraine and it’s not possible to write off the stolen goods to us.
            1. yushch
              yushch 29 May 2014 23: 34
              0
              It will not work, but to make a mug of brick as last time and yell that it was the Russians that blocked the gas, and they themselves would use it to beat it up, and again, to maintain its image, it would suffer losses from these ue-bans.
              1. Deniska
                Deniska 30 May 2014 11: 20
                0
                That's really nah ... p !!!! Europe has supported the "democratic-fascist-Jewish-oligarchic" government, so let them look for their own gas.
          2. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 29 May 2014 21: 04
            +6
            GDP sent warning letters. I think you can warn about theft a couple more times. let the geyropov have a headache.
          3. ifolga
            ifolga 30 May 2014 00: 19
            0
            Well, the Ruin seems to be integrating into the EU, so all payments for gas for the EU are on the border of the newly integrated "member".
          4. Egen
            Egen 30 May 2014 05: 47
            0
            Quote: Russophile
            and we have guarantees for gas supplies to the EU

            But something I don’t know, we have a delivery contract like - to our border or to their receiver? If it’s before them, then why aren’t we sending troops to guard the pipeline corridor? And if before ours - why don't they do that?
            And in general, in Ukraine, a lot of everything nuclear, really do not care for everyone that it is uncontrolled? :(
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 30 May 2014 08: 13
              0
              Quote: Egen
              deliveries - to our border or to their receiver?

              To the borders of the EU, by any, even an associate member of the EU, it is not the EU.
          5. cergey51046
            cergey51046 30 May 2014 07: 27
            0
            It is necessary to stop gas supplies through Ukraine. Let these 18 countries receive gas through other countries. I would sell gas only to the countries bordering us, and those, in turn, to whom they want, what’s my business.
          6. Cynic
            Cynic 30 May 2014 08: 11
            +1
            Quote: Russophile
            dill will start to steal

            Fu, call a spade a spade, as it is not in European!
            For Europeans, this will again be called _ unauthorized gas sampling!
          7. Deniska
            Deniska 30 May 2014 11: 19
            0
            Quieter, quieter .... At the exit from the Russian Federation there is a station with European observers who take measurements of the gas entering the transit pipe ... and after Ukraine there is the same station. ))) Withdrew from the Russian Federation 1mln.m3 and from Ukraine 650tys.m3 What does our guarantee obligation do with it? We set and where did it go in free Ukraine ... There are already their guarantee obligations for transit. All gas transport systems of Ukraine are in Ukrainian use, it does not belong to Gazprom and the Russian Federation.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 29 May 2014 21: 05
          +4
          Quote: Roman1970
          Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

          What gas from the USA ???
          There are no terminals for full reception in Europe, but Ukraine is not at all capable of such costs. At the moment, there is only one terminal for sending LNG in the USA itself
          1. psg72
            psg72 29 May 2014 22: 54
            0
            Do you think Turkey will let gas carriers through the straits. This is no less than an atomic bomb in a narrow strait. And God forbid that there is no Istanbul.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 30 May 2014 02: 56
              +2
              Quote: psg72
              Do you think Turkey will let gas carriers through the straits. This is no less than an atomic bomb in a narrow strait. And God forbid that there is no Istanbul.

              And God forbid that she didn’t let her go. Here is that rare topic in which I am selfishly interested. The less gas exported from America to America, the more there will be for sale, and accordingly the price will be lower, and not only for gas, but also for electricity and gasoline. And then how the heating bill comes in winter, you really want to shoot someone thread from evil.
              1. Egen
                Egen 30 May 2014 06: 05
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                And then how the heating bill comes in winter, you really want to shoot someone thread from evil.

                Dear Nagan hi , and I thought something, you live somewhere in the South, and you have enough air conditioning for the winter in China :)
                In general, please clarify the situation, but where did you get gas from in the States? He is still imported, not enough. According to my data, the extraction of coal seam methane is only 7,5% of consumption, oil shale - about 13%, totaling about 20% - I agree, a lot, especially in a billion, but far from the% ratio with Australia far :) And why do you want to export?
                In addition, acquaintances of Americans tell beautiful stories about the US global gasification in terms of LNG transport in order to replace LMWs - recently they came to us in Kuzbass to put in technologies for moving dump trucks to our local CBM, which are already running around in America :) That's why the opinion that you have the most market size will increase significantly.
                However, when you start visiting people to ask, and show me the law on your discounts on gas cars or what kind of Caterpillar on methane, for some reason everyone leaves and does not return :) :(
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 30 May 2014 08: 16
                0
                Quote: Nagan
                and accordingly lower price

                Do you think your gas price in the USA is PURE market? But what about state subsidies to gas companies?
                1. Egen
                  Egen 30 May 2014 08: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Cynic
                  But what about state subsidies to gas companies?

                  And, subsidies are generally great for them! We are here - for now - far :(
                  Here, last year, I sorted out their laws a bit, climbed the sites that I found. The production boom began with the 1980 law on tax refunds to companies receiving fuel from non-traditional sources (including CBM, etc.). Tax refund applied up to 2003. The rate changed, the maximum was 27 dollars in terms of WTU for 1000m3. At the same time, in 1990, the average cost of production in the state of New Mexico was 48 dollars - i.e. tax exemption was 50%! But in general, these benefits paid off with other taxes and new jobs, for example, the same state of New Mexico received 6% of tax revenues from CBM mining in 2000, + federal budget 211mln, + indirect income from dependent industries. The peak production of only CBM (without shale) was in 2008 - 55,8 billion m3, which amounted to approximately 7% of the total. Our Gazprom produces annually under 500, the contract for China - under 20. In Kuzbass, we plan to produce CBM from 4 to 6 billion, while the reserves of CBM in Russia are more than 80 trillion (including only in Kuzbass - 13), which is more than the USA and China combined ...
                  In general, we have everything ahead :)
          2. Egen
            Egen 30 May 2014 05: 52
            0
            Quote: APASUS
            There are no terminals for full reception in Europe

            Moreover, under the LNG it is necessary to redo the transport infrastructure of gas by half. And this is even greater costs. Where it all starts with 0, there is still alright; but in Europe there is already a network of gas pipelines, to bungle it with LNG logistics means to bury previously invested money. And states and businessmen consider them :)
        3. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 29 May 2014 21: 25
          +8
          Quote: Roman1970
          Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

          Edinoukraintsam soon have to learn the subtleties of cooking on dung and wood. Now there will be a common bonfire in each yard, where the neighbors will jointly cook dinner. And in the winter everyone will sleep in the same room and bask in exercise.

          1. No one will provide Ukraine with reverse gas. This is a beaten Maidan dream. The same dreamy and Maidan, as the entry into Europe.
          2. Reducing consumption is just wonderful. For a cow to give more milk and eat less, you need to milk it more and feed less.
          3. Shale gas extraction is the death of ecology. It is clear that Poroshenko and his American owners do not care about the health of Ukrainian natives and the future of their children. No wonder the Americans every year more and more tense over the production of shale gas on its territory, but they love to develop it in the indigenous countries. And the most interesting thing is that the main deposits of shale gas are located in the Donbass, in Slavyansk, and in fact it no longer belongs to Ukraine.
          4. Arrangements with American partners ... I remember that the Euromaidouns were waiting for American cruisers and aircraft carriers in the Black Sea, when Crimea was waving a palm. And where is the Crimea now? And where are the promises of American partners? And the construction of a liquefied gas terminal is two years. And it will be cold in winter.
          1. Nonik
            Nonik 29 May 2014 23: 58
            0
            Oh, recognized you on censor-no-wah laughing It is these calculations that I recently saw.
            1. podpolkovnik
              podpolkovnik 30 May 2014 09: 39
              0
              I didn’t "tag myself" there.
              Layouts "copied" from another site.
              And on the censor for such marks "ban".
        4. Revolver
          Revolver 30 May 2014 02: 49
          0
          Quote: Roman1970
          Prices can be made cheaper than they were! BUT! We must be friends with Russia! If you want to be friends with the United States, buy liquefied gas from them for 1000 dollars. There is always a choice!

          There is a choice. Here is a penny neme.
        5. Cynic
          Cynic 30 May 2014 08: 08
          0
          Quote: Roman1970
          buy liquefied gas from them for $ 1000. There is always a choice!

          It seems that about $ 700 is drawn if Barak Huseynovich does not print wrappers for discounts.
          Fundamentally, printing is not a problem, but ...
          The infrastructure for receiving on a 3D printer can not be printed, it is necessary to build and build. Not a year, not two.
          And in Ukraine everything will be decided much faster.
        6. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 30 May 2014 08: 08
          0
          Yes, due to the latest events, we can now raise the price too ... by prolonging the contract with the EU countries.
        7. Deniska
          Deniska 30 May 2014 11: 21
          0
          With all this, they are still Yesh and Donbass coal
      2. Akvadra
        Akvadra 29 May 2014 20: 06
        +4
        Yes, they do not care about the people, the industry, the country, at all in general! The main thing is that crafty uncles behind the puddle would nod their heads approvingly. Themselves, tea does not freeze in winter, do not starve. Anyway, the bloody Russian regime and the insidious Putin will be blamed for everything.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 May 2014 20: 21
        +7
        Quote: major071
        No money - no gas, stoke wood
      4. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 29 May 2014 20: 28
        +9
        Quote: major071
        I imagine how after the statement of the piglet, they ran in Europe. There is no money - there is no gas, stoke with wood, but in Europe they are used to a sweet life.

        I would like to recall one funny episode that happened at a meeting between Vladimir Putin and German businessmen. “You don’t want gas, you don’t develop nuclear energy, and what, you will, heat wood?” We also need to go to Siberia for firewood. You see, you don’t even have firewood, ”the Russian leader joked to the loud laughter of German businessmen in November 2010 ...
    3. armageddon
      armageddon 29 May 2014 19: 30
      +1
      Hmm ... There are ... But it is a pity that only ... HAPPEN !!!
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    5. maks-101
      maks-101 29 May 2014 19: 40
      +4
      Poroshenko goes to the production of chocolates from gorikh, and now Ukrainians will be forced to watch balloons.
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 29 May 2014 20: 24
        +3
        Regarding the theft of gas, this is unlikely. Gas will be received for Europe on the Russian border, therefore, already sold gas will go across Ukraine, for which we are not responsible. It will be very interesting for me to see when, for example, Germany does not count its gas. Poor Ukraine, it’s almost like watching others who eat fat, and rumbling yourself with a belly hunger.
        1. sv68
          sv68 29 May 2014 21: 01
          +2
          Barboskin-Germany has a separate branch of the gas pipeline from ukroiny. And Europe went under the United States and will blame us for stolen gas. The option is purely power-the destruction of the top of ukroina, and the establishment of the pro-Russian puppet government. All other options are obscure
          1. muhomor
            muhomor 29 May 2014 21: 17
            +2
            Well, why the same! There is another option, taking under temporary control an (international) export pipe in Ukraine.
            1. Nonik
              Nonik 30 May 2014 00: 00
              +1
              Quote: muhomor
              Well, why the same! There is another option, taking under temporary control an (international) export pipe in Ukraine.

              If only Europe is forced to protect. They dare not shoot at them. But ours has nothing to do there.
      2. Nuar
        Nuar 29 May 2014 20: 30
        +3
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        Poroshenko switches to the production of chocolates from gorich

        what would you know. "Gorih" is a "nut". How to get away from him is incomprehensible to me. hi
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 30 May 2014 03: 07
          0
          Quote: Nuar
          Quote: maks-xnumx
          Poroshenko switches to the production of chocolates from gorich

          what would you know. "Gorikh" is a "nut". How to get away from him is incomprehensible to me.
          So it will not only be cold, but also hungry. You have skipped the sowing crop, what will you collect? There will be no peas, no peas. So there won't even be anything to shit. Holodomor with coldness at once - this even the most evil commissars in their> | <Ido-Moscow heads did not come.
      3. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 29 May 2014 20: 34
        +11
        Skopipastil, could not resist
        1. boozer
          boozer 29 May 2014 21: 55
          0
          Attack of the clones! Only from the other world do not return hundreds of dead!
      4. persei
        persei 29 May 2014 20: 39
        0
        and hydrogen sulfide is combustible ... that means ... they will drown it here!
      5. 311ove
        311ove 30 May 2014 00: 07
        0
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        production of gorich sweets
        The meaning is clear, but, a small amendment - gorich in Ukrainian is a nut .... and peas, oddly enough laughing and in Ukraine, a pea. laughing hi
  2. Negative
    Negative 29 May 2014 19: 09
    +9
    here dill and showed their true face (or snout)
    1. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 29 May 2014 19: 16
      +7
      Quote: Negativ
      here dill and showed their true face (or snout)

      So what can you say ?! Whether d.u.r.a.k. , or something else ... As my mother says: "Unfinished!"
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 29 May 2014 19: 21
        +2
        Well, why - just not square. Not quite.
      2. armageddon
        armageddon 29 May 2014 19: 36
        +2
        Hmm ... I just wanted to write that FOOLS are not only OUR TROUBLE !!! Well, let them DOWNLOAD ... THEN !!! And their roads are no better ...
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 29 May 2014 23: 16
          +2
          Quote: Armagedon
          Hmm ... I just wanted to write that FOOLS ARE NOT ONLY OUR TROUBLE !!!
          Well, let them DOWN ... THEN !!! Yes, and their roads are no better ...

          The problem is,
          that the "partners" do managed sad pit Slavs:
          Russians, Belarusians, Poles and Ukrainians.
          Moreover, with the filing of Judas Brzezinski,
          the so-called American statesman of Polish descent.
          In the massacre that is taking place in Ukraine, there will be no winners (among the Slavs), that's for sure, whoever “won”.
          The gain on the circle will be only the Anglo-Saxons.
          sad
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    3. yushch
      yushch 29 May 2014 19: 35
      +6
      From the very beginning, it was clear that the lads would not pay for gas. They had been pumping gas to their stores to the maximum all this time, and the Bear threatened them with a finger and was indignant that they did not pay.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 29 May 2014 21: 01
        0
        everything was done right. as they say we tried, but there is no trial.
  3. bubalik
    bubalik 29 May 2014 19: 11
    +13
    Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine is refusing further purchases of gas from Russia.


    ,,, Psaki convinced him where the gas came from ,,, laughingnude nude ,,
  4. Duelist
    Duelist 29 May 2014 19: 11
    +5
    A very expected refusal to buy gas from Russia. This bastard with his comrades threw his country under the feet of the Americans! am
    1. polly
      polly 29 May 2014 20: 03
      +6
      Mikola replaced by Peter, and the essence is true.
  5. mark2
    mark2 29 May 2014 19: 11
    +14
    And so it will be! What the Kremlin counts on is not clear. You can wait forever, and hohloukry will steal our social projects, pensions, salaries of state employees, rearmament of our army. Ukrainians listen only to the United States. Europe is not a decree for them either! Or maybe really close the gas to everyone? AND?
    1. Duelist
      Duelist 29 May 2014 19: 15
      +4
      Quote: mark2
      What the Kremlin counts on is not clear.

      Now, stealing gas, closing the valve, and Europe will be opposed to dill and ... mattresses! Who will give loans to dill? and support her?
      Will Europe stand for an end to the conflict?
    2. max702
      max702 29 May 2014 19: 23
      +22
      If only the government of the Russian Federation did not include the back one, otherwise one could already hear voices about possible discounts after paying the debt am This will be a catastrophic mistake, it is impossible to concede by any step the current will smell slack and write is gone, on the contrary, tighten the nuts even more at the slightest signs of a scam ...
      1. Duelist
        Duelist 29 May 2014 19: 44
        +9
        Quote: max702
        If only the Russian government did not include the back

        Not a cent! Strictly "European prices"! Europe is interested and will squeeze Dill! Discounts can only be ALLIES, not Fascists and traitors !. am
        1. Vladislav
          Vladislav 29 May 2014 22: 26
          +1
          Absolutely agree!!! They don’t want gas - let them buy firewood. It is possible from Europe. It is possible for free. Shipment at own expense ...
      2. Andreitch
        Andreitch 29 May 2014 19: 59
        +5
        Well, you are so boiling. On June 3rd the valve will be shut off, gas will go in volumes intended only for Europe, in 1-3 weeks Europe will conquer. Gazprom will invite observers (perhaps immediately, on June 3rd), and then the business of lawyers.
    3. WKS
      WKS 29 May 2014 19: 47
      +3
      Quote: mark2
      Or maybe really close the gas to everyone? AND?
      Formally, we cannot. We must first be Ukraine alone. And then, after an obvious theft at the request of the "working people of the EU" and the whole pipe. In principle, the Nord Stream has a reserve of almost 50%. They keep it artificially to stimulate the Ukrainian pipe. The countries of southern Europe will suffer.
    4. DMB87
      DMB87 29 May 2014 19: 57
      0
      hohloukry will steal our social projects, pensions, salaries of state employees, rearmament of our army


      This is how much you need to steal ...
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 29 May 2014 20: 13
        +1
        Quote: DMB87
        This is how much you need to steal ...


        They have such a job. Ukrainian (adi) GAS.
  6. Andrenaline
    Andrenaline 29 May 2014 19: 12
    +9
    According to the laws of the 90s. I have to ask for a favor, as with understanding ...
  7. Orik
    Orik 29 May 2014 19: 13
    +17
    The idiotic expression "Russia wants to sell gas to Ukraine for $ 500. Okay, but Ukraine will not buy this gas, it does not need it." If not needed! Why are you downloading for two months ?! request
  8. DerSamowar
    DerSamowar 29 May 2014 19: 13
    +7
    Look, what a swell, dear to him. The stove will be stoked by democracy and liberalism, you will now have a lot of them.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 May 2014 20: 38
      +2
      Quote: DerSamowar
      The stove will be stoked by democracy and liberalism, you will now have a lot of them.

      But really - coal and firewood.
      1. Makarych
        Makarych 29 May 2014 20: 57
        0
        So there will be no coal. This is not gas - you can’t slam it, in the evening money - in the morning chairs ..... tongue
      2. sherman1506
        sherman1506 29 May 2014 21: 05
        +3
        coal is also not theirs now
        1. Egen
          Egen 30 May 2014 07: 00
          0
          Quote: sherman1506
          coal is also not theirs now

          Indeed, it is interesting, but will Novorossia supply coal to Dill? If so, will the calculation be carried out in which currency? :)
          - or there’s simply nowhere to deliver :(
      3. HAM
        HAM 29 May 2014 23: 00
        +2
        If the miners are on strike, what coal? Forgot, probably, that the whole Donbass will become!
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 29 May 2014 19: 13
    +11
    Let Europe deal with this thief ... Europeans should sell gas on our border ... let's see how they will support the current rulers of Ukraine ...
    1. HAM
      HAM 29 May 2014 23: 02
      0
      And, preferably in the buyer's packaging (jars, spray cans, buckets).
  10. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 May 2014 19: 13
    +6
    already begun funeral of Ukrainian industry.

    In this case, they will not pay for 50. They will steal. What kind of politics is this and the economy.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 21: 30
      +5
      If gas is not needed for factories and power plants, then gas is enough for the population of HIS in Ukraine ... That’s the calculation - to kill the plants, the poor will live poorly on their own gas ... What is the plus? And the fact that the factory infrastructure of the Slavic world is collapsing ... and this is useful for the West, he ALWAYS dreamed that the Slavs would live in ruin ... So he achieved his (west) ... Fathers built grandfathers were starving ... Dneproges, Magnitogorsk ... Kharkov Tractor, Donbas mines ... and all this will most likely be destroyed ... We are weakening and we will be left out of account ...
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  12. Shadow1
    Shadow1 29 May 2014 19: 16
    +18
    Poroshenko will say so tomorrow
    Ukrainian geologists reported a sensation!
    - It turns out that gas in Ukraine is not Russian horseradish, but comes from some hefty pipe!

  13. Slovek
    Slovek 29 May 2014 19: 17
    +6
    Interesting statements by Mr. New Gauleiter
    said February 19, 2014 probably about the Maidan? Need to check
    search phrase: People's Deputy of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko (non-factional) calls on the leadership of the Security Service of Ukraine to refuse
    1. persei
      persei 29 May 2014 21: 50
      +2
      Parashenko changes his mind to the opposite INSTANTLY! So believe this nonsense lu is not worth it.
    2. boozer
      boozer 29 May 2014 22: 07
      +1
      Another "girl of easy virtue"!
  14. Koronik
    Koronik 29 May 2014 19: 23
    +5
    "Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it."
    -And that absolutely nothing can be done, nothing at all?
    I do not understand the control system, but there are some metering devices for the supplied gas volumes, I’m sure that the received EU side has its own control system.
    "So they can steal up to 9 billion and more, for some time this will allow them to hold out." If we take this with such "optimism", then there is nothing to talk about. Or do they hope that Russian consumers will compensate the losses?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 29 May 2014 20: 11
      +4
      As far as I know, nowadays there are counters at the input and output, i.e. on the Russian-Ukrainian border and Urkainskaya-someone. Those. you can see how much is in progress and how much is in output.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 May 2014 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: Koronik
      "Ukraine does not want to pay for our gas, it will steal it."
      ... they can steal up to 9 billion and more, for some time this will allow them to hold out ... they hope that Russian consumers will compensate for the losses?

      This refers to 9 billion cubic meters of gas already in underground storage facilities in Ukraine, and then (exactly in time for winter) will have to be stolen exclusively from Europe, directly from the export pipe. And then we’ll see if Europe will die.
      1. sherman1506
        sherman1506 29 May 2014 21: 16
        +2
        these tanks are filled to create pressure on the distillation of gas to Europe, if the Ukrainians start to steal gas from there, then you don’t even need to close the screw, the gas itself will stop
      2. papas-57
        papas-57 29 May 2014 21: 32
        +1
        `` Then we'll see if Europe is wiped out. '' Europe is far away, but we are close by. Our oligarchs will withdraw money from the Russians for the gas that has not been paid for by the Ukrainians, they are not used to incurring losses.
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      4. I think so
        I think so 29 May 2014 21: 38
        -1
        According to anyone, Russia will be the loser ... Europe will impose fines on Gazprom, and the money earned from fines will be given to Bandera to suppress Donetsk and Lugansk ... But Russia will chew snot without helping Donetsk and supplying Bendera with gas and money ... This has already happened. .. And why Putin mumbles and does not recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and does not send troops there to help repel the aggression of Kiev? ... Seven troubles, one answer, vseravno will make Russia guilty of everything ... So at least some of the resources will save, and looking at it will rise and Odessa and Kharkov ...
  15. sovetskyturist
    sovetskyturist 29 May 2014 19: 24
    +4
    we now have only gov ...... they’ll drown, because the hetmans are full of people in the country and in the heads, especially, and the people will be jumping for hto not jump that mos ......., sorry! invisible
  16. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 29 May 2014 19: 25
    +3
    The valve must be closed! If they steal, then let Europe put its controllers at the entrance to and at the exit from Ukraine. And there let them understand themselves. They don’t want to. then Europe shut the valve. Let shale gas from the USA wait. I think we will not die, we will survive without a pipe to the west. Let southeast.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 21: 47
      0
      Not everything is so simple ... Under current contracts, Gazprom SHOULD NOT hand over gas not in Ukraine, but if I’m not mistaken somewhere in Hungary ... But you won’t hand over BREAKING THE CONTRACT with all the resulting SANCTIONS AND Fines ... REWINDING CONTRACTS IN EUROPE NEVER AGREE or for very big discounts on gas ... The trap into which Russia climbed up I don’t know whose fault (Yeltsin, Chernomyrdin, Vyakhirev or Miller) would shut ... They would have to give gas to Bandera and also finance them (through fines from Europeans) ... Therefore, it is most advisable to RECOGNIZE Donetsk and Lugansk to send troops there, block the Ukrainian pipe (and possibly ALL EUROPEAN pipes) and work for Asia ... True, this is fraught with a deterioration in the situation of the Russian population ... But if people understand anything for that they will Fight ANY hardship ... WILL BE FORWARD! And if you are afraid - GO!
  17. Signaller
    Signaller 29 May 2014 19: 27
    +1
    Yes, they just got used to it already, over the long 23 years of "our market". And what is our market - we have BAZAR. That's how they answer. So at the bazaar they usually trade when the seeds are bought.
  18. nikcris
    nikcris 29 May 2014 19: 27
    +1
    It seems that there is such a cunning scheme that we have to wash ourselves.
    Otherwise, I can’t get into the fart of Gazprom.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 29 May 2014 19: 43
      0
      in Gazprom, people on urootkaty sitting campaign!)))
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 29 May 2014 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        in Gazprom, people on urootkaty sitting campaign!)))

        Well, that there was no doubt before sawing, and with Fuegolova they shared in full that she had signed such documents, already got to the shkonka.
        For the matter?
        But now Gazprom’s campaign is under the gun, to steal yourself is more expensive.
        1. Egen
          Egen 30 May 2014 07: 04
          0
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          But now Gazprom’s campaign is under the gun, to steal yourself is more expensive.

          Yes, it's all about kickbacks. In Gazprom, and so the salaries are not small, the work, although difficult from morning to night, is attractive, there are enough people who want to risk it, nobody is stupid, but for the most part everything is transparent, the security service is also pros and strict, checks, etc.
    2. sherman1506
      sherman1506 29 May 2014 21: 21
      0
      everything is done right there, by winter Europe will say do what you want but we need gas supplies
  19. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 29 May 2014 19: 27
    +2
    As they stole, they will steal gas. It is necessary to demand money from Europe, let them pay for gas that crossed the border of RUSSIA and entered the territory of UKRAINE. They do not want to pay, so they support the theft and completely close the valve. And until payment arrives do not open. good drinks
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 May 2014 20: 59
      +3
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      It is necessary to demand money from Europe, let them pay for gas that crossed the border of RUSSIA and entered the territory of UKRAINE.

      Yeah! Unfortunately there is a treaty and international law. So, according to this document (and in accordance with Mr. tradition), the consumer pays ONLY FOR WHAT HE SPECIFICALLY GOT! At the end of the pipe according to the meter. And how you will deliver this gas are the seller’s problems. Can be liquefied by tankers in the ports of Europe. But Europe will only pay for what is on the meter. (Think of the situation for yourself: a scarecrow from a gas office comes to you and says that you need to pay 150 rubles, and you received gas for 80 rubles on the meter! How will you behave? . Therefore, there is only one way out: to increase pressure in the Nord Stream, to liquefy and carry by gas carriers in order to excommunicate parasites from the pipe. IMHO.
      1. ifolga
        ifolga 30 May 2014 00: 55
        0
        OPAL gas pipeline
        http://www.pro-gas.ru/pipe/news/56.htm
        Therefore, since the Ruin is integrated into the EU (plus a coup d'etat can be considered force majeure), then let them pay on the border with the Ruin. So far, Russia has not seemingly recognized the new government there. They do not want to block the spit on the Ruin, let them open OPAL. They won’t open OPAL, they and we will have problems, but for us in the medium term, and for them forever. Regarding compliance with the contracts, Ruin does not comply with them, and she was politically associated in the EU, i.e. associate member of the EU does not comply with the contract, let the EU be responsible for this.
  20. Shadow1
    Shadow1 29 May 2014 19: 27
    +11
    Another joke on the topic
    Ukraine. Near future. The husband brings home a hare.
    - Wife, fire a hare in fat!
    - Dumb we fat ...
    - Well, a fire on oil!
    - Dumb, we have oil ...
    - Well, so a fire ... just a fire, in a frying pan on a gas !!!
    - Dumb, we have gas!
    The husband waves in hearts and throws the hare out the window. The hare runs and shouts: - "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 29 May 2014 19: 28
    +6
    Newly made, but uninhibited, “president” of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko


    Baked, but not yet cared for. It is also possible to extract "gas" from this.
    1. Vladislav
      Vladislav 29 May 2014 22: 30
      0
      It could even be. And with the onset of the first frosts, it will be a firewood. Those from Europe.
  22. doc62
    doc62 29 May 2014 19: 29
    +1
    America for them will stretch a pipe from Washington, they are already peeping on their sites with joy. right across the atlantic
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 29 May 2014 20: 16
      0
      Quote: doc62
      America for them will stretch a pipe from Washington

      and insert into a duplicate!
  23. Juborg
    Juborg 29 May 2014 19: 31
    +2
    Campaign guys, the brother’s black hand is felt from behind the Atlantic puddle. Well, unwashed Europe, will we watch how they steal your gas, or switch to firewood? Again, from Siberia!
  24. Vesnik
    Vesnik 29 May 2014 19: 32
    +2
    Pasha is some kind of "crazy" steam locomotive with "options" "to get out in the future. Only" it is thought "- this steam locomotive will" get drilled "at the first" turn "with the South-East sign.
  25. 020205
    020205 29 May 2014 19: 33
    +9
    Petro Poroshenko announced that Ukraine refuses further purchases of gas from Russia
    We sow everything with peas
    And then eat it.
    Let Russia be bad -
    Jump, stick and sing:
    “This is not Khuhra-Muhra -
    And Adam and Eve are Ukrainians!
    Hey, fart, hey, fart.
    Fuck us a gas mask -

    This is our national gas.
    Fart together many times!
    The leader of our glorious Yaytsenyuk
    Praises our fun bunch.
    Hey hey, hey, hey, fart!
    Do you hear Putin a terrible sound? -
    This is our mighty bunch!
    Hey, let’s fuck it, hey fart!
    I will cover everyone a medal
    He who does not pierce is b.
    E-yee, fuck it up, a hundred times fart!
    Millions of assholes with us
    Sell ​​gas to Europe!
    US EU for this bunch
    He promised a lot of pieces!
    Hey, grunt, fart a hundred times!
    To quickly die,
    Let’s put him on fire.
    From such a damn stink stink
    All die Colorado!
    “Hey, let’s whip, let’s fart!”
  26. BOB044
    BOB044 29 May 2014 19: 33
    +1
    Now all non-fallow people will be intensely eating pea soup; they will supply the country with gas in turn to a large gas pipe. Khokhlov bare account debt not to take. God forgive the country.
  27. Evgtan
    Evgtan 29 May 2014 19: 38
    +7
    Ukrainians were not happy with the economy under Yanukovych, so they elected the former Minister of Economic Development Yanukovych as president.

    People's Ukrainian sign: They chose a new president - wait for a new Maidan!
  28. 020205
    020205 29 May 2014 19: 40
    +9
    or as
    Ukrainians began gas production
  29. capex1
    capex1 29 May 2014 19: 44
    +10
    I'll see that this pig will sing in the winter !!! Or again, all of Ukraine will go to the Maidan to bask !!! In short, the bitter experience of the predecessors of this maggot does not teach anything
  30. jPilot
    jPilot 29 May 2014 19: 46
    +3
    I think this is the machinations of the United States, regarding shale gas from eastern Ukraine, such as recapture and you will have happiness. Therefore, such woodpeckers will declare in one word!
  31. nikcris
    nikcris 29 May 2014 19: 50
    0
    But I won’t understand why they don’t steal from an oil pipe. More expensive there.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 29 May 2014 21: 14
      +1
      Quote: nikcris
      But I won’t understand why they don’t steal from an oil pipe. More expensive there.

      Do not prompt!
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 29 May 2014 21: 37
      +1
      THEY ARE ALREADY FROM OIL PIPELINES THE RESERVE OIL IS SELLED - INSTEAD OF IT PUMPING WATER COMPOSITION-YEAR TWO AND A TREND TO THEIR HIGHWAY
    3. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 03
      +1
      Oil pipes belong to the Hebrews, but how do they themselves will steal from themselves? It is not a simple Ukrainian who is stealing, but RESPONSIBLE, and such are there to one JEWISH nation ... The answer is as always simple ... Well, the BASIC FLOW of oil to Europe goes through Belarus, and through Ukraine there is a minuscule that you can’t pump ...
  32. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 29 May 2014 19: 53
    +1
    I strongly disagree with the author that Moscow can "wait until the cold weather" - if you want, then pay for gasterbayters at your entrance, and why should we pay for the fascist state seething with hatred of its creditor? No discounts, money in advance, and gas geyrope on the meter at the input to Ukraine and in geyropu, there is a shortage, Ukrainians pay.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 08
      0
      Not everything is so simple ... Gazprom’s contracts provide for GAS DELIVERY to a consumer NOT in Ukraine, but outside its territory, did not give out gas in FULL volume - sanctions, fines ... Contracts in Europe NO ONE WRITTEN TO RENEW (it they need to remove stupid Russia from such a hook) ... Russia will take refuge in vain, will give gas to Bendera and also money ... unless of course Putin decides ... But that weakling and the follower will not take the CARD DECISION, but will pummel and pummel until TOTAL PRESS ( as it was with Crimea).
  33. G8K
    G8K 29 May 2014 19: 57
    +3
    Porashkin obeys the U.S. order to destroy Ukraine. He makes a second Samali at our borders.
  34. fly fishing
    fly fishing 29 May 2014 19: 57
    +2
    Recognize the Lugansk and Donetsk republics. Include in Russia.
    Protect from Natsik. Close the gas valve for Kiev. Or was Putin afraid of something ?!
    1. marder4
      marder4 29 May 2014 20: 07
      +2
      Yes, they’ve already blocked, the point is that they start to steal European gas, and the arrows are moving us ...
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    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 16
      -2
      BRAVO! You are reading my mind! But Putin is unlikely to do this, he is STSYKUN by nature and will drag out the adoption of such a decision to the last as it was with Crimea ... EVERYONE has already agreed to live with Crimea in Russia and the Crimeans and Russians and the Duma and Council of the Federation, and this hero is EPT ... the mother himself boasted on TV "did not put a signature UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT" ... And do you think he will talk STRICTLY with Europe? No, he will fawn and make excuses ... Until now, he said nothing about the CUTTING OF PEACE PEOPLE in Ukraine ... I don’t want to continue about this either ...
  36. Giant thought
    Giant thought 29 May 2014 20: 08
    +2
    And the click counter, and the click counter, at the end of the path will have to pay - V.S. Vysotsky. How many hokh.ly do not steal, you still have to pay, they will not go anywhere.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 23
      0
      Oh, yours is not true ... Most likely Russia will pay for EVERYTHING ... as it was before ... and gas will supply and finance Ukraine and Donetsk and Luhansk will be handed over to Bandera ... Kadyrov would have solved such questions in Putin's place IN A SECOND I would ONE OF ITS IMAGE ... without even applying real actions ... I would declare - "I consider everyone who will steal our gas as OUR PERSONAL BLOOD ENEMIES" ... That's it! Ukrainians would immediately become meek. An example already exists - the release of correspondents ...
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  38. marder4
    marder4 29 May 2014 20: 12
    +1
    the current "government" of Ukraine is already openly pulling the country towards default in order to be able to loudly declare: "we forgive everyone to whom we owe"
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 May 2014 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: marder4
      the current "government" of Ukraine is already openly pulling the country towards default in order to be able to loudly declare: "we forgive everyone to whom we owe"
      Arbitration may decide to recover debts by the property of a bankrupt, such as: factories, mines, buildings, etc. In the amount of debt. But this, if there is a fair trial, and not double standards in relation to Russia.
  39. G8K
    G8K 29 May 2014 20: 13
    +2
    BTW, dill also contributes to the release of GAS.
  40. sabakina
    sabakina 29 May 2014 20: 15
    +2
    I’m still thinking, but what, for the industry, gas is also "not required"?
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  42. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 May 2014 20: 18
    +3
    It would be nice to cut off the gas ... BUT! A howl will immediately begin that Russia is not fulfilling its obligations to supply gas to Geyrop. And so you have to endure a little. It's just that when the supplies go in the "100% gamerope, 0 gram urk" mode, it will become clear what's what. Then the "world community" (sorry, I did not find a more suitable name, even the mate is not enough) will have no reason to scream that Russia is not fulfilling its obligations, is terrorizing everyone, and so on.
  43. ratnik
    ratnik 29 May 2014 20: 19
    +2
    Hero sala !!!
  44. 020205
    020205 29 May 2014 20: 19
    +1
    Quote: Thought Giant
    And the counter is a click, but the counter is a click, at the end of the path you have to pay

    that’s calculated by the recognition of the Crimea as the territory of the Russian Federation. Although this is just a formality
  45. nator78
    nator78 29 May 2014 20: 35
    +3
    Yes, everything will be the same: Ukrainians steal gas, faithfully believing that stealing gas from her is sacred - Europe is outraged, but continues to support dill. In the end, ours make concessions and forgive all debts, and even pay them on top, the main thing is that our oligarchs do not touch sanctions and the West does not take all their money abroad and real estate, and this is easy to do, because no laws have been written for the west (s) , and if someone starts to be indignant, then everything is decided with the help of money and weapons. And in general, Russian gas belongs to the people of the Russian Federation, and few receive money, although they then believe that they are the masters of life, and everyone else in Russia is lackeys.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 28
      +2
      Roughly but precisely in essence the real state of things in the world and today's Russia ...
  46. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha 29 May 2014 20: 49
    0
    Quote: maks-xnumx
    Poroshenko goes to the production of chocolates from gorikh, and now Ukrainians will be forced to watch balloons.

    Gorich in Ukrainian, walnut. Maybe you mean peas, so he peas and on the move.
  47. lexx2038
    lexx2038 29 May 2014 20: 53
    0
    That's how he became a millionaire with such a brain? The riddle!
  48. Anton-sed
    Anton-sed 29 May 2014 20: 59
    +2
    Everyone was warned and turned off. What is the problem? Let Europe understand with its friends. The transfusion from empty to empty has become a whirl. I pay for gas every month. Why a completely foreign country with boors and fascists in power should not pay? Putin is somewhere such a tough ruler, and somewhere a rag
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 May 2014 22: 30
      0
      Well, I can’t remember "Putin is such a tough ruler somewhere ..." Well, I would like to recall at least one example ... but the opposite is in BULK ...
  49. Bormental
    Bormental 29 May 2014 21: 01
    0
    Gas-free piglet is a new dish of Urkain cuisine.
  50. Ossetian
    Ossetian 29 May 2014 21: 12
    +2
    peas, gearbox and instructions