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Strange games of the Ukrainian authorities

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It seems that all of us have recently been a participant in some experiment. Who is its organizer - the question is even rhetorical. The performer is the so-called Ukrainian authorities.

It makes no sense to obmuse the question of legality, for it is clear that: the lads crowned themselves with power and began to induce movements. This is if the language of the nineties. Why is that? Yes, the style is similar.

The movements, or, in our opinion, experiment, are peculiar. As if by some kind of training manual "How to bring Russia to a white-hot?"

"And let's ban the Russian language in Ukraine and survive all Muscovites." And it was given. And power at the same time zahapali finally and irrevocably.

But here, obviously, the slip came out. “Suddenly,” which turned out to be ready for such a mess, Crimea pulled out much closer, and sent much closer as assistants to very polite people and accepted. And now Crimea - to whom is the “temporarily occupied territory”, and to whom it is even the subject of the Federation. Clearly not according to plan.

"And let's not pay Russia for gas." There is no type of money, the price is high, and in general. We will not pay. And we will take. And let Europe bite its nails there, and we won't pay anyway. Not 485 nor 287. From the principle. Let's see what the Russians will do there.

And Russia continues to drive its wealth through the pipe, without departing from the contract "neither by letter, nor by comma." True, it does, but you can spit on it. Pipe one hell will not block, Europe will not allow. And you can always take yours.

God bless her with the pipe. In the Kremlin, smart guys sit, they will figure it out without our arguments.

We go further.

"And let's try to shoot dissenters."

Have tried. It is clear that all these appeals to the OSCE and the UN, as they say, are water from a goose, foam from axes. In these offices, all their own, nothing to worry about. Russia is yelling for the whole world, but is it necessary for the world?

But here too the plug came out. It turned out that they are also able to shoot in Slavyansk. And on armored personnel carriers, and on helicopters. And by staff. Bad luck, however. Something is required as a continuation.

"And let us out of the guns ..."

It also happened. Mental hospital, school, temple. And again everything suits everyone around. Russia is yelling for sanctions. For more sanctions. And there will be more.

"And let's try the aircraft."

Implemented. Looked around. What? Again, everyone is happy with everything. The most important thing is what psaki will say. And she: "They have a right to this." Everything is fine, we continue. What is Russia? What are meetings in Europe? His affairs above the roof. Russia? And we promise to repay debts. Half. Soon.

About high precision weapons talked. But to him, paradox, we need heads and hands. I don’t know, but it’s not like about the Ukrainian army. Here are the Grads - they haven't used it yet. But with this approach, shooting from them is clearly not far off.

All this (except gas) is called one capacious word: genocide. And it is directed against the dissenting Russian-speaking population, and against Russia.

The most rotten in this stories the fact that Russia in any case loses. To continue the line of diplomacy and exhortations is already becoming ridiculous. All Europe deeply spit on all the initiatives of Russia. Implement a power line - so just waiting for it. All these PACE, UN, OSCE and other gatherings are not for us. This is all for them and for their sake. And to count on understanding and cooperation is just silly.

One thing is clear: you need to do something. For, flirting with the Kiev junta and tolerating European mockery, we will not get to anything good.

We finish the game.
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  1. Bodrov
    Bodrov 29 May 2014 09: 09
    +13
    Are we gonna lie for a long time ..
    Everyone has a boiling point.
    1. BYV
      BYV 29 May 2014 09: 16
      +65
      We must continue to do what we are doing now. Namely: calmly, clearly, without tantrums to defend their point of view wherever possible. And do not go out of any organizations, if that - let them rule them out. Thus, they will form the image of a martyr who suffered for the truth. We are now supported by more and more ordinary citizens around the world. At the same time, SE needs to be further supported. Ideally - by the hands of militias and volunteers to defeat the dill and to lose power in Kiev as part of the civil war.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 29 May 2014 11: 09
        +13
        Everything is correct. BUT ... If ukrletchiki speak Russian, then why shouldn't our aces speak MOV? Or even in Kyrgyz?
        1. EvgenSuslov
          EvgenSuslov 29 May 2014 21: 49
          +2
          They speak Russian because + they studied and flew for a long time side by side with the Russians. Yes, and they themselves are basically Russian by nationality, if it’s not worthless to say this to me. Somewhere their names were already laid out. And I fly for my 9000 silver coins. Generally men were sold ...
      2. vadimN
        vadimN 29 May 2014 12: 59
        +27
        Quote: BYV
        We are now supported by more and more ordinary citizens around the world.


        Come on, dear .... All over the world, ordinary citizens do not care about our problems as much as we do not care about the problems of relations between two quarreling tribes anywhere in Yemen or Congo. Well, if you don't give a damn, or even vice versa - ardent dislike and fear of the "tossing and turning Russian bear."
        I have a friend, and his wife is Georgian. He often visits relatives in Tbilisi. I ask: "What is the attitude towards Russia and the Russians?" Answers: "Everything is against us there! To Russia as a state is complete condemnation and hostility, and to Russians at the everyday level is quite normal and even friendly, but this friendliness comes from pity, like" and how are you in such a terrible country live!? "...
        So here ... Do not forget, colleague, that the brains of the people have been thoroughly washed and that we have lost the information war quite definitely.
        1. Black
          Black 29 May 2014 13: 09
          +9
          Quote: vadimN
          I ask: "What is the attitude towards Russia and the Russians?" Answers: "Everything is against us there! To Russia as a state is complete condemnation and hostility, and to Russians at the everyday level is quite normal and even friendly, but this friendliness comes from pity, like" and how are you in such a terrible country live!? "...


          Was last summer in Georgia.
          I have not met anyone who exuded evil and hostility. The loss of territories is going through tight. painfully. But they blame Saku and believe that they will begin to live better and the Abkhaz themselves will be asked back ....
          at the household level, everything is fine in general, no one is happy to break up relations, they believe that everything will work out here.

          Friends in Germany .... There is no hatred towards us, they understand the situation in Ukraine, they understand that their own "rulers" are pawns.
        2. Kuvabatake
          Kuvabatake 29 May 2014 17: 45
          0
          And how in such circumstances to go to the aid of the east? You will immediately find yourself an invader.
          1. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 29 May 2014 20: 25
            0
            YES WE DO NOT. fellow
            1. maxxdesign
              maxxdesign 30 May 2014 07: 05
              0
              and are you ready to go as cannon fodder in the event of a third world war? do not care for him ...
      3. biznaw
        biznaw 30 May 2014 00: 54
        +2
        With surprise, he discovered with Solzhenitsyn the foresight written about the hoh_lov written in the 70s:

        Written in 1968, published in 1974 (ARCHIPELAG GULAG, Part Five, chapter 2):

        ... It pains me to write about it: Ukrainian and Russian are united in my blood, in my heart, and in my thoughts. But the great experience of friendly communication with the Ukrainians in the camps revealed to me how sad they were. Our generation cannot avoid paying for the mistakes of the elders.

        Stomp your foot and shout "mine!" - the easiest way. Immeasurably harder to say: "who wants to live - live!" Surprisingly, the predictions of the Advanced Teaching did not come true that nationalism is withering. For some reason, he flourished in the age of the atom and cybernetics. And the time is right for us, whether we like it or not, to pay all promissory notes on self-determination, on independence, to pay ourselves, and not to wait for us to be burned at the stake, to drown and behead in rivers. Whether we are a great nation, we must prove not with the vastness of the territory, not with the number of trust nations, but with the grandeur of actions. And the depth of plowing what remains for us minus the lands that will not want to live with us.


        Ukraine will be extremely painful. But you need to know their total heat now. If it has not been settled over the centuries, it means that it has become prudent for us. We are obliged to give the decision to them - to the federalists or the separatists, who will convince anyone of them. Do not give in - madness and cruelty. And the softer, more tolerant, the more explanatory we will be now, the more hope to restore unity in the future.

        Let them live, try. They will quickly feel that not all problems are solved by the department. (Due to the fact that in different regions of Ukraine there is a different ratio of those who consider themselves to be Ukrainian, and who are Russian, and who do not consider it to be anyone, there will be many difficulties. Maybe in each region you will need your own plebiscite and then preferential and caring attitude to everyone who wants to move. Not all of Ukraine in its current formal Soviet borders is really Ukraine. Some left-bank regions are definitely to Russia. And the Crimea has attributed Khrushchev to Ukraine with oak. And Carpathian (Chervonnaya) Rus? Check it on her: demanding cn to be kind to yourself, how will the Ukrainians to the Carpathian Russians be just?)
    2. yulka2980
      yulka2980 29 May 2014 09: 16
      +4
      I would like to believe .. I hope that not only we have patience running out ... sad
      1. MOISEY
        MOISEY 29 May 2014 09: 22
        +4
        A game of nerves between Russia and the West, and victory will be ours, because The West does not know the concept of strong will.
    3. DMB 1995
      DMB 1995 29 May 2014 09: 22
      +2
      The time to act came on the day of the Odessa tragedy.
      1. Andrenaline
        Andrenaline 29 May 2014 11: 24
        +5
        I do not agree that Russia is losing. We are just winning and continue to score points.
        1. Erg
          Erg 29 May 2014 20: 10
          +3
          And Donbass coffins. We can still score many points. Absolute confidence
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 29 May 2014 11: 54
        +7
        What's the use? Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Mariupol wiped off the bloody snot and settled down, hoping that a magician would arrive in a blue helicopter and make a happy and independent life for them. As Kozma Prutkov said: "If you want to be happy, be happy." soldier
      3. Msta-s
        Msta-s 29 May 2014 12: 46
        +3
        Kindly - submit your operational tactical proposals.
        1. cumastra1
          cumastra1 29 May 2014 15: 46
          +1
          A very similar situation was in the 19th century before the Crimean War. They didn’t want to listen to Russia. There was a war. Actually against the whole of Europe. Yes, defeated. But today is not the 19th century. And Europe is not that, and we are different. A very risky situation.
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 29 May 2014 15: 46
          0
          A very similar situation was in the 19th century before the Crimean War. They didn’t want to listen to Russia. There was a war. Actually against the whole of Europe. Yes, defeated. But today is not the 19th century. And Europe is not that, and we are different. A very risky situation.
    4. mark2
      mark2 29 May 2014 17: 48
      +2
      Where is the way out? To fight - we will receive the second Afghanistan. We are silent - China is a kind of sideways and Siberia is too close to it. Nothing to do is real. In the DPR and LPR they will continue to bomb, and we will remain silent only by diplomatic methods ... It turns out that we are an upper volta with nuclear warheads.
      1. Erg
        Erg 29 May 2014 20: 13
        0
        No, we are Russia, which every day is gaining more and more points in the international ranking. And this is not enough. Or do not agree?
    5. Erg
      Erg 29 May 2014 20: 05
      -2
      Our gut is thin with the European Union and the states compete. It must be admitted. The result is obvious
  2. Revolver
    Revolver 29 May 2014 09: 16
    +11
    Someone will soon find it. And clearly the one who is "not a mock".
    1. andj61
      andj61 29 May 2014 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: Nagan
      And clearly the one who is "not a mock".

      Share the secret - why not delete this word?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. ispaniard
      ispaniard 29 May 2014 16: 28
      +6
      I’ll make a small contribution ... laughing
      1. Erg
        Erg 29 May 2014 23: 38
        -3
        His death is the failure of our special services.
        1. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign 30 May 2014 07: 09
          0
          and ours then what? it was the Americans removed it .. everyone already knows and it is proved that in addition to the Ukrainian police, there were people in NATO uniform
  3. tank64rus
    tank64rus 29 May 2014 09: 17
    +2
    These understand only one language - a good blow to the face.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 30 May 2014 07: 10
      0
      9 grams of lead they understand!
  4. gmasterbit
    gmasterbit 29 May 2014 09: 23
    +10
    it feels like everything went wrong in Ukraine as planned — like pouring domino pieces from the casino on a chessboard with a beautifully started game .. and urgently you have to come up with new rules or take a board and beat an opponent in the head with it
    1. sem-yak
      sem-yak 29 May 2014 10: 09
      +10
      Well no ! It went as planned, just normal people do not agree with THIS! And now "RIDERS" are trying to convince by force that to be pi..rom is the height of civilization development!
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 29 May 2014 11: 00
        +18
        Dzhigurda's wife asked him - "Nikita, why did you shave off your beard?" "Why am I going to walk with a beard like a woman?!?!"
        1. Erg
          Erg 29 May 2014 20: 17
          -2
          If you are at the expense of national minorities, then they enjoy equal rights with other members of society. (I'm normal).
    2. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 29 May 2014 20: 28
      -3
      Pu from the sleeve poured trumps in the form of the Crimea and the Southeast. lol
    3. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 30 May 2014 07: 11
      0
      finally hit the point!
  5. LOCKS
    LOCKS 29 May 2014 09: 24
    +5
    So far, for an ordinary Russian, the picture develops exactly as described in the article. We are protesting that they don’t hear or reluctantly, but peaceful Russian people are dying and the few who are trying to protect them with weapons in their hands. And many are wondering - How long ..........
  6. Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 29 May 2014 09: 28
    +26
    Provide New Russia assistance to all that is possible, clearly and secretly. Send volunteer instructors, military advisers, weapons, money, equipment, and never admit anything. Spitting on the opinion of the West. Strangle Ukraine economically. To wage an information war against the Kiev authorities. Maintain all varieties of the protest movement in the territories controlled by the junta. Those. do everything that makes the USA do throughout its history.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 29 May 2014 10: 45
      +1
      That would be one of the militias guessed to use motor hang gliders as night bombers. Simple, mobile, compact, secretive, efficient. And for air defense transparent. But only with trained pilots will have to help ...
      1. smile
        smile 29 May 2014 11: 24
        +6
        grandson of Perun
        And what to use from them? Offensive grenades? If something is more serious, then the glider itself will fall into the radius of the dispersion of the fragments. Look at how high and at what speed this thing flies. And it’s probably difficult to talk about the accuracy of "throwing things".
      2. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 29 May 2014 21: 32
        +2
        A motor hang-glider or paramotor is slow-moving and very vulnerable, they do not need a radar with their speed, and at night there is enough sight with NVD.
        1. Ishtan
          Ishtan 30 May 2014 01: 16
          0
          Noisy they are. And probably any sniper with NVD will bring down, killed the pilot.
    2. Suhow
      Suhow 29 May 2014 22: 03
      0
      set you a minus, Ukraine’s economic strangulation will increase anti-Russian sentiment, but it’s necessary to get a new government to seek a compromise, and about the information war, we’ve poured out on each other and we’ll have to wash ourselves for a long time. And Russian volunteers from many residents of the center and west of Ukraine cause hostility towards Russia. If the militia of the East supports the majority of the local population, then you can think about help, if not, then all efforts go down the drain, and the negative grows.
  7. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 29 May 2014 09: 30
    +11
    It’s not clear why it is impossible to organize the elimination (in the worst case, bribery) of Ukrainian instigators and main performers? When their elite begins to rapidly thin out under unclear circumstances, then any potential Russophobe will think a hundred times before opening the bread, and let’s go over to active actions. If the Americans and the UN can put the device on us, then let us put them on us.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 29 May 2014 10: 37
      +3
      I am abusing: Liquidation is murder, murder without a court verdict is a crime. Here, either the law exists and works, everyone respects it (EVERYTHING!), Or lawlessness and anarchy sets in, as it is now in Ukraine. Here is such a turn. Although I myself would not mind eliminating a couple of three thugs. Here the question still arises - who will decide who needs to be on the wall and who does not, and by what criteria to determine the candidate.
      1. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 29 May 2014 11: 35
        +3
        Well, yes, a murder, which is no different from the murder of Donetsk and Slavs. But the murder of a dozen or so instigators is definitely a more acceptable evil compared to hundreds (and in the near future, thousands) of ordinary people and forced soldiers. So this is nothing more than an adequate answer, as the Bible teaches "an eye for an eye".
        And to decide just as they decide - who is not with us is against us.
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 29 May 2014 12: 27
          +4
          Quote: Фкенщь13
          Well, yes, a murder, which is no different from the murder of Donetsk and Slavs. But the murder of a dozen or so instigators is definitely a more acceptable evil compared to hundreds (and in the near future, thousands) of ordinary people and forced soldiers. So this is nothing more than an adequate answer, as the Bible teaches "an eye for an eye".
          And to decide just as they decide - who is not with us is against us.

          The Donetsk residents and Slavs are killed by moral yodas, which, in principle, should not have appeared, we shouldn’t get down to their level. There must be a court, and then liquidation, for this it is necessary to finalize the existing legislative framework. I admit the court to hold in absentia, the performer to be classified. The expectation of death is sometimes worse than death itself. I think so.
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 29 May 2014 13: 13
            0
            In reality, the "noble Athos", too weighed down with morality, will always lose to an unprincipled gopnik. It's a shame, not fair, but such is life. Although even Athos executed Milady.
            1. Trit Nakosh
              Trit Nakosh 29 May 2014 13: 26
              +2
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              In reality, the "noble Athos", too weighed down with morality, will always lose to an unprincipled gopnik. It's a shame, not fair, but such is life. Although even Athos executed Milady.

              He executed, but in due time, and in a certain place.
              P.N. And the endurance of Athos, by the way, can really be envied. )
    2. volot-voin
      volot-voin 29 May 2014 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      why it is impossible to organize the elimination (in the worst case, bribery) of Ukrainian instigators and chief performers?

      It is possible to organize, only in their place the owners from the USA will immediately find new pinocchio, and even these perfectly show the people how to live impossible, form a popular opinion.
      Soon, their already embittered people will be thrown off when the pupil runs out, and the oligarchs will plunder the euro loans as usual, they will have to repay.
  8. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 29 May 2014 09: 30
    +8
    There will certainly be some end to this conflict, but I would really like to do without real clashes. The heat of passion is now not at all comic. In the event of a full-scale war, there is a chance to turn the vast territory near us into a flaming infernal cauldron, which will be very, very difficult to put out. In my opinion, GDP is still operating without errors.
    1. brelok
      brelok 29 May 2014 11: 02
      +3
      It seems that he wants to treat not the symptoms of the disease but the cause! If so, then we will find out after treatment
  9. major071
    major071 29 May 2014 09: 32
    +9
    The new condiment of dill Piglet, not yet taking office, already in full command of the remains of dill and creeps in front of the monkey from Fashigton. Already licked Obama’s ass, so much so that it (Obama’s) turned white (nonsense!). It seems that the president of dill is a Kenyan monkey, no independent actions, only complaints about Russia. Ugh, la, twa.ri!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 29 May 2014 12: 01
      +4
      He is forced to do this for two reasons: firstly, he wants to denyuzhku, and secondly, it is customary to say ha-ha-ha in a herd of geese, but you say crow and go to the cauldron. bully
  10. svskor80
    svskor80 29 May 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Silently supporting the militias and partisans of the Southeast, it will not take so long for the entire Western strategy to deflate. And then the time will come and Russia will still be asked to introduce peacekeepers.
  11. Ratibor
    Ratibor 29 May 2014 09: 36
    +4
    I agree with Loki-DOCOLE ....... at least weapons should be provided with adequate and We Rat for the opinion of geyopa and pen dos
  12. Kilo-11
    Kilo-11 29 May 2014 09: 40
    +11
    Let's be patient, sometimes I’m spitting it so much that ... It’s not the time for us to intervene openly, not the time! It seems to me that such a time will come and maybe even soon. Despite the fact that everything is against us, even the so-called ally of Belarus, to put it mildly, not with us. Despite the natural tricks of the Ukrainian fascists and the experience of their American masters, they will still make that fatal mistake that we will use. All this herd moves in this direction with the stubbornness of famous artiodactyl animals. Patience and patience again! Everything will be , and most importantly, the VICTORY will be ours!
    1. Trit Nakosh
      Trit Nakosh 29 May 2014 13: 09
      +6
      It is hard to explain this especially to the "indignant". And too "especially indignant" - it is more logical to send to the list of vile provocateurs, under PENDO $ nicknames.
      Other than that: (start cons and "poop-throwing")
      Everything that is being fought for in the South-East has never been given "for nothing". Sweat and blood, at the cost of struggle and sacrifices, the enemy and our own. Show the state that has conquered and defended quietly and peacefully territory, freedom, independence, sovereignty, recognition and authority in the international arena and within its own country?
      History and life show that sometimes patience and endurance are needed. No fuss or panic. "Haste is needed when catching fleas, with diarrhea, and ... (text)" ©
      Processes in the world are already underway, both "behind a puddle" and in Europe. Well, for so long they rub their eyes - what can you do? And the "sighted" - it takes time to be heard and convince.
      And what is definitely understandable for thinking people is that in the event of a "big squabble" with an emotional breakdown of the Russian Federation on provocations, the victims will be counted not only in Novorossia, but in much larger territories, and not in tens and hundreds of dead and injured, and tens and hundreds of thousands, and possibly millions.
      1. Erg
        Erg 30 May 2014 00: 08
        0
        While the Kremlin is changing color ... I don’t understand - why are you busting me like that? Maybe I'm wrong. You, you see, are already used to listening to Psaki ...
  13. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 29 May 2014 09: 40
    +12
    Good, high-quality weapons and air defense systems that the militia can "find in the warehouses of military units" can work wonders. I just want to "find" quickly.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 29 May 2014 10: 41
      +4
      For good weapons, trained people are also needed, however.
      For example, nothing prevents militias from using as night bombers and night attack aircraft a cheap and effective tool - motor hang gliders. But again, they need trained pilots ...
      1. schizophrenic
        schizophrenic 29 May 2014 12: 02
        +3
        Quote: Perun's grandson
        Cheap and effective means - trikes.

        Forgot about NVP, Ukrainian snipers will have fun.
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 29 May 2014 10: 00
    -7
    I will say a seditious thought. Oh, and minus me ... Well, okay: Russia lost the "battle for Ukraine" back in 93, when the people's elected parliament was shot and instead of a parliamentary republic began to build a tsarist-oligarchic system. The "European" choice of Ukraine is, first of all, a choice between equality of all before the law, and not, as in Russia, nepotism, the priority of confidants, relatives, "servants", "friends", etc. The "European" choice is, first of all, understandable and fair rules of doing business and labor rules, and not the way we have in Russia - everything is "by definition" and "as the master said, it will be so", corruption, etc. "European" choice is an honest and fair trial , and not "Basmanny", as in Russia. "European" choice is a decent wage and working conditions, not "gray" wages and slave, powerless labor, as in Russia. And so on and so forth. In addition, “being with Russia” means constantly being at the forefront of criticism from the West, constantly taking “slaps in the face” with it from the United States and the West, etc. So that it is possible and necessary to understand Ukrainians. And it is not necessary to blame everything on the "Bendera", "fascists" and others, the enemies who pushed Ukraine away from Russia are in our country. For all the time after the collapse of the USSR, we have stood and built a society that has no attraction for any of the normal people, therefore, one should not be surprised at the "European" choice of Ukrainians.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider 29 May 2014 10: 12
      +6
      yeah, only in 23 years with us all of the above has become a little better. and in Khokhlostan it is getting worse and worse.
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 30 May 2014 01: 24
        0
        Correctly not Hohlostan, but Hohlomor. fool
    2. alin12
      alin12 29 May 2014 10: 30
      +16
      Sorry, but you can ask a question: did you live in Europe? To know so well that there is no nepotism, cronyism, etc. There the caste society who graduates from prestigious private colleges and universities is already integrated into the system. All of them, like in Russia, are the only ones cleverly do not stick out! An example of psakii how many such idiots sits in bread positions.
    3. Lars_xiii
      Lars_xiii 29 May 2014 10: 33
      +11
      Tell me, have you tried doing business in Europe? If not, how can you compare? Is there no corruption in the west? Yes, and in much larger volumes. Only called "lobbying". The European Court is generally something who paid the most to the lawyer and won. I will not say about "gray salaries", I have never come across them in Europe. And how much can you offend the inhabitants of the city "Bendery"? Not "Bendera", but "Bandera". wink
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 29 May 2014 12: 07
        +4
        Right. About this yet unforgettable Mark Twain wrote nadysya. And do trillions of US government debt say anything? recourse
    4. engineer74
      engineer74 29 May 2014 10: 51
      +14
      The "European" choice is, first of all, clear and honest rules of doing business and labor rules, and not like we have in Russia - everything is "in terms" and "as the master said, it will be so", corruption, etc. " The European "choice is an honest and fair court, and not" Basmanny ", as in Russia. "European" choice is a decent wage and working conditions, not "gray" wages and slave, powerless labor, as in Russia. And so on and so forth.

      You are talking about some other "Europe" that exists only in the fevered brain of the Euromaidanists. What a fig a fair and fair trial, when the air strikes on residential areas, juvenile justice are not noticed. What "decent wages and working conditions, and not" gray "wages and slave, powerless labor, like in Russia"? You tell the Ukrainian, Baltic Zrobitchians in Poland, Germany, Britain. Tell the Baltic agricultural producers about "clear and fair business rules". Is "deindustrialization" a familiar term? Remember the circus with Cypriot deposits. "Non-citizens" in the Baltics are about "equality of all before the law", etc. The Ukrainians rushed to the fictitious Europe, and whoever would let them go to the real one was never going to let them go. They, with their Maidan and the IV Reich, are needed only as a destabilizing factor at the side of Russia and there is nothing else for it, well, it may still tingle economically, but this is secondary. hi
      IMHO
    5. zoknyay82
      zoknyay82 29 May 2014 11: 47
      +3
      A lot has changed in the world. It seemed to the Kremlin that the master was better than the manager. Many old mistakes can still be fixed.
    6. smile
      smile 29 May 2014 11: 48
      +5
      Monster_Fat
      You did not draw Europe, but a country on the island of Utopia. Hmm, you can immediately see that you did not live and work in Europe .... And there are concepts. just a little different. and the courts there - I don’t advise getting caught, and the bar, sorry, caballero, are present there. With regard to wages, you have never been surprised. how much does the majority like to count pennies, sorry, cents? Not because. that they are pathologically greedy. And therefore. that everything is calculated back to back. After the payment of all obligatory payments and loan obligations, the majority of them are left with crumbs. But you can’t not pay - in most European countries - there is a delay and you can go broke very quickly, and then you are evicted from the apartment you borrowed on credit with your family, and hello, the overnight stay. And slave labor there is also a lot. And in a crisis ... like you. For example, this is France. Reduction at one of the automobile factories where my friend works (salary of about 2). She is offered to transfer to work at their other plant in the same specialty ... to India, at the salary of about 500. And otherwise - come on, bye, without any payments. since she was offered a vacancy. And she has an apartment and a car on credit - everything, like everyone else, but you can’t find work - at least hang yourself ... and if you got social assistance, when you don’t have anything to eat, don’t dare to earn some money, you’ll catch and remove you so that you can even forget how to work ...
      Like? I’ll tell you such a hochm car and a small cart in addition.
      So don’t think that everything is so sweet everywhere. Although, of course, in many European countries the standard of living is still higher than ours .... So far. Well, that's why we suffered a temporary defeat in the Cold War in '91.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 29 May 2014 12: 17
        0
        Well, let's just say I did not suck it all out of my thumb, but I have my own experience in this area. However, the Ukrainians have something to compare with - they work both in Russia and in the West, and therefore they know how "good" we have and how "bad" it is in the West. The majority chose the "west" - and, just for the reasons that I indicated. If you think that this is "nonsense", "nonsense", well, I will not dissuade you from this.
        1. smile
          smile 29 May 2014 15: 37
          +3
          Monster_Fat
          Probably precisely because you are completely right, it’s the Pole and Lithuanian builders who go to us in the Kaliningrad region as builder-builders, and not vice versa. :))) By the way, there are also many Ukrainians here. And yes, Ukrainian migrant workers have something to compare ... that is why we have many more.
          Of course, the standard of living in many European countries is higher, because Ukrainians go there. But to say that there is no corruption in Europe, that there is no nepotism ... :))) No, well, do you really think so? :))) And the working conditions of migrant workers, who are quite powerless there, are also not worth discussing in such a laudatory style.
          By the way, I know a lot of people who returned to Kaliningrad from Germany (they went there mainly in the mid 90s) - here they earn more and feel like people.
          So it goes...
          1. biznaw
            biznaw 30 May 2014 02: 05
            0
            You still don’t understand that you’re talking with a hohlotroll that pretends to be a dumb Russian.
        2. Suhow
          Suhow 29 May 2014 22: 16
          0
          most zarobitchans chose the west for two reasons - they pay more and are calmer.
    7. Rubmolot
      Rubmolot 29 May 2014 11: 51
      +3
      Mnd ..

      In the EU, the living standards of the majority of the population are already at such a high level that they are not visible.


      “Almost a quarter of the EU population is at risk of poverty and social exclusion. According to the statistics office Eurostat of the Union for 2012, according to which the total number of such vulnerable people is 124 million,
      those. 24,8 percent. The smallest share in the total population is in the Czech Republic and the Netherlands, where there are 15 percent. The Czech Republic has 1,6 million people. "

      http://www.parlamentnilisty.cz/arena/monitor/Skoro-ctvrtine-lidi-EU-hrozi-chudob
      a-ci-vylouceni-Cechum-nejmene-295903
    8. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 29 May 2014 12: 44
      +3
      In Russia, according to "concepts", and in gayrope even without "concepts", this is completely "chaos".
    9. Black
      Black 29 May 2014 13: 23
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I will say seditious thought.


      Almost everything that is said about the case with us is probably so much. There is something to work on and change for the better.
      But in your opinion, we have built a society that does not have any attractiveness - you went over it very much.
      I live in Russia, I love Russia, the children live in Russia and will be !!!! live in it. My family is not normal? And the remaining 150 million in prison?
      Crimeans are unreasonable?
      The Eurasian Union is signed today ... with the abnormal?

      And Ukraine- built a sensible society with free people? DO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEM? —What? —That they destroyed statehood, lost land, and fought a civil war?
      Well, the flag in your hands, understand !!!!!
    10. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 29 May 2014 15: 09
      +3
      Monster, the impression is that you just leaned back from the zone where you ended up in the 90s, that's just a tattoo is not enough on your vast body. After the release, he naturally fell into his native element, into his former environment. I want to remind you that now is 2014, which is not quite the same as the 90s. Do not draw conclusions about Russia in your environment and less often visit ukrosayt with an echo of Moscow. Believe me, it’s not dull whiners who improve their lives, but active optimists.
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 30 May 2014 02: 13
        0
        He leaned back ... only not from the zone but from the Censor.
        People do not feed the troll, be vigilant, the worse things in Khokhlomor, the more of them on our site.
        And for the brothers, I’ll quote Solzhenitsyn from the 70s of the last century, then these Monsters weren’t in the world, and his future mothers and fathers had specific problems.

        Written in 1968, published in 1974 (ARCHIPELAG GULAG, Part Five, chapter 2):


        Ukraine will be extremely painful. But you need to know their total heat now. If it has not been settled over the centuries, it means that it has become prudent for us. We are obliged to give the decision to them - to the federalists or the separatists, who will convince anyone of them. Do not give in - madness and cruelty. And the softer, more tolerant, the more explanatory we will be now, the more hope to restore unity in the future.

        Let them live, try. They will quickly feel that not all problems are solved by the department. (Due to the fact that in different regions of Ukraine there is a different ratio of those who consider themselves to be Ukrainian, and who are Russian, and who do not consider it to be anyone, there will be many difficulties. Maybe in each region you will need your own plebiscite and then preferential and caring attitude to everyone who wants to move. Not all of Ukraine in its current formal Soviet borders is really Ukraine. Some left-bank regions are definitely to Russia. And the Crimea has attributed Khrushchev to Ukraine with oak. And Carpathian (Chervonnaya) Rus? Check it on her: demanding cn to be kind to yourself, how will the Ukrainians to the Carpathian Russians be just?)
    11. Bayun
      Bayun 30 May 2014 01: 14
      0
      I disagree with you as a monarchist. Russia in 93 made exactly the right choice, and the Tsar (no one) Boris shot the talkers and bribe-takers. It is not enough for a Russian to "understand"; he needs to love his Motherland for a complete perception of the world. Fighting for foreign lands for the sake of lands is nonsense; and the number of people (who love Russia) has recently increased significantly. So - every cloud has a silver lining. I personally sincerely feel sorry for the Ukrainians, Russians, Germans, Jews who make a choice in favor of another country with their minds. Their souls are Russians, and there, from European and common human values, such a mortal melancholy is turned on that even like a wolf howl.
    12. Bayun
      Bayun 30 May 2014 01: 14
      0
      I disagree with you as a monarchist. Russia in 93 made exactly the right choice, and the Tsar (no one) Boris shot the talkers and bribe-takers. It is not enough for a Russian to "understand"; he needs to love his Motherland for a complete perception of the world. Fighting for foreign lands for the sake of lands is nonsense; and the number of people (who love Russia) has recently increased significantly. So - every cloud has a silver lining. I personally sincerely feel sorry for the Ukrainians, Russians, Germans, Jews who make a choice in favor of another country with their minds. Their souls are Russians, and there, from European and common human values, such a mortal melancholy is turned on that even like a wolf howl.
    13. biznaw
      biznaw 30 May 2014 01: 21
      0
      Plusanul, but not because in everything I agree with your opinion. I disagree. Moreover, I am sure that you are from Ukraine. Why? Because, first of all, we don't care. that someone is pissing to stand next to us against the "common people" led by the US. Belarus and Kazakhstan stand side by side and that's enough. And you, proud Ukrainians, together with proud Lyakhs, can suck at common people, so that they would not think badly of you.
      Secondly, you tell each other about an honest and fair European court and the absence of corruption, we have no illusions about either the European or the Basmanny. Regarding the unattractiveness of the Russian way of life for the Ukrainian brothers, I note that in Russia, according to minimal estimates, up to 3 million people work, at the moment there are several Gaster who are very concerned not to return. About half worked in Europe, but prefers to work in Russia (money is easier to raise!)
      Therefore, I do not respect my brother to me, plus you consider humanitarian assistance in memory of a common glorious past. The future is in the smoke of smoky tires.
  15. navodchik
    navodchik 29 May 2014 10: 01
    +4
    Article plus. Does the minor note in the conclusion suggest that fighting is useless? Still, it is worth recalling the rule that our grandfathers and fathers were guided by: "do what you must and be what will be."
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 29 May 2014 10: 01
    +3
    Patience, patience, and again patience ... it’s clear that Russia is already pulled by breasts for direct conflict, but it rests ... no direct conflict is needed .. Help must be provided ..
  17. mig31
    mig31 29 May 2014 10: 06
    0
    We will consider the most unsuccessful special operation of the CIA. Out of habit, considering the center of Europe to be banana lands, the mattresses signed a sentence for themselves imtorii ...
  18. Alekst
    Alekst 29 May 2014 10: 13
    +1
    ghm ... how does this all lead to certain ... ghm ... thoughts, how sad or not funny it looks, ... one part of some .... is afraid that they will enter it ... the other part swears that in they don’t introduce it in any way ... there is still a third party, let’s call it the scriptwriters-and-viewers, who are trying to steer a certain process .... while the side that everyone is begging to introduce has already done this once, the third party has received the real one. ..... and met this action with a thunder of applause, and requires, by some tricks, that that side once again introduces ... the same thing ... in the first direction ....
  19. Santor
    Santor 29 May 2014 10: 17
    +8
    Quote: DMB 1995
    The time to act came on the day of the Odessa tragedy.


    Are you sure that this was not a carefully planned provocation, where the Pravosek people were framed as stupid meat, and completely different people were killed? An acquaintance of mine from the German police said that their criminologists, on orders from above, are conducting their own investigation on the basis of some received materials ... And one of the crimi said that they killed quickly and professionally, almost all the victims had broken cervical vertebrae, and then they were already burned rather all by a substance similar to napalm. The purpose of the provocation is to inflate hatred between the East and West of Ukraine, indirect evidence - a sea of ​​excellent photos and videos (not deleted by the way YouTube like others), cause anger and indignation in Russia, and as a result of the fact that the Russian Federation does not "react" as the majority would like - falling Putin's rating and a small step towards a change of power in Russia. By the way, there is a candidate - Khodorkovsky, whom the United States will now skillfully promote, because the State Department has already allocated 5 billion for the "revolution" in Russia, unlike 30 billion in Ukraine.


    Quote: LOCKS
    So far, for an ordinary Russian, the picture develops exactly as described in the article. We are protesting that they don’t hear or reluctantly, but peaceful Russian people are dying and the few who are trying to protect them with weapons in their hands. And many are wondering - How long ........

    And this is achieved by trying by all means to drive Russia into the trap prepared for it. And if it will be necessary to kill thousands - they will use Grads and Hurricanes .... Go through the Western media - there all the news from Ukraine is on the last page or below and is minimized.

    Quote: Фкенщь13
    It’s not clear why it is impossible to organize the elimination (in the worst case, bribery) of Ukrainian instigators and main performers?

    The time has not come yet ... And who will replace them? These are at least all calculated ...

    Quote: svskor80
    Silently supporting the militias and partisans of the Southeast, it will not take so long for the entire Western strategy to deflate. And then the time will come and Russia will still be asked to introduce peacekeepers.

    Without peacekeepers, I support the thought, it will be something like this, soon Europe will have other problems, I guarantee :)))))

    Quote: Yoon Klob
    Good, high-quality weapons and air defense systems that the militia can "find in the warehouses of military units" can work wonders. I just want to "find" quickly.

    Then in the next topic there was news that some kind of military missile fell under fire in Donetsk !!!! part .. Boys, what if it’s some sort of anti-aircraft missile division stationed in Donetsk? :)))))
    1. Black
      Black 29 May 2014 13: 30
      0
      Quote: Santor
      By the way, there is a candidate - Khodorkovsky


      It's hardly .... It's not just a "lame duck", this duck has no legs !!! At least a trillion will be invested! An oligarch, a criminal, a prisoner, an emigrant .... running around abroad and petty crap, petty and useless, as, for example, on the Maidan.
      Quote: Santor
      Then in the next topic there was news that some kind of military missile fell under fire in Donetsk !!!! part.

      in YouTube there is how ATGM beat some sort of mobile ZR installation ...
    2. Normal
      Normal 29 May 2014 16: 24
      0
      Quote: Santor
      Are you sure that this was not a carefully planned provocation

      Well, for example, I am convinced that this was a planned one, there is not a provocation of Russia and Putin personally to response rash actions, but an act of intimidation. A punitive action planned and implemented jointly by the Kiev authorities and the authorities of Odessa itself against anti-Maidan, as indicated by the presence in the crowd of police leadership and police inaction during the killings in the House of Trade Unions.
      Quote: Santor
      My friend from the German police said

      "One woman said" is a very reliable source, especially if the woman is from the German police.
      Quote: Santor
      The purpose of the provocation is to inflate hatred between the East and West of Ukraine, indirect evidence - a sea of ​​excellent photos and videos (not deleted by the way YouTube like others), cause anger and indignation in Russia, and as a result of the fact that the Russian Federation does not "react" as the majority would like - falling Putin's rating and a small step towards a change of power in Russia.

      So that's it! It turns out all this for the sake of falling Putin's rating! For the sake of a small step to a change of power in Russia and Khodorkovsky!
      Do you have a fever? Delusional hallucinations?
      You do not want to acknowledge reality and you cannot abandon your fabrications, being in the sweet conviction that the greatest alternative thinks and acts in the interests of not a narrow circle of your friends and accomplices, but only in the interests of the state, people and yours personally.
      Well, the better (if ever there will be) insight.
      By the way, the GDP rating as a result of events in Ukraine soared to an unprecedented height.
      And no fall ...
      Really strange?
    3. Svist
      Svist 29 May 2014 21: 15
      0
      Quote: Santor
      the right-wingers were framed like stupid meat, but completely different were killed?

      The definition of "framed" does not correspond to reality. This can be said about the innocent, and not about those who burned people alive and finished off the wounded. I only agree that they are stupid meat. The beast from which the muzzle was removed.
  20. just Ilyich
    just Ilyich 29 May 2014 10: 28
    +1
    here is a link to an article by Ivashov http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1401298451
    In general, Uncle Vova needs to look for national traitors and the fifth column closer to the Kremlin, repaint the Kremlin walls in green and ...
    It seems that the targeted sanctions of the West are the most productive thing: both their business was not harmed and Russia has become affectionate. Your shirt is always closer to the body. It's clear.
  21. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 29 May 2014 10: 36
    +1
    For ordinary people, the situation develops exactly as described in the article, because we cannot explicitly provide assistance to the militias, and no one will advertise implicit assistance to ordinary people. Therefore, Western manipulators, unfortunately, have a chance to play on this and crap in the heads of ordinary people about the alleged "betrayal of Russia" sad
  22. Semenov
    Semenov 29 May 2014 10: 45
    +3
    Moscow was not built in a day. A war is being waged by diplomats at the UN, Putin makes regular statements, the war in the Donbass spins up on foreign media, gas is shut off, the ground is being prepared for decisive action. As soon as public opinion changes, it is possible to introduce troops, but otherwise they will devour them.
  23. Astartes
    Astartes 29 May 2014 10: 56
    0
    Shaw ta to the Romanians the wrong flag was painted on the picture
    1. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 29 May 2014 20: 36
      0
      There, the flag was not painted over to the Romanians, but to their rulers. They, like the Poles and Germans, do not support their rulers.
  24. Navy7981
    Navy7981 29 May 2014 11: 06
    +1
    This is also a WAR, and RUSSIA, sometimes losing a battle, has not lost a single WAR, we will not lose now !!! am
  25. megavolt65
    megavolt65 29 May 2014 11: 06
    0
    already found, apparently. in Lugansk they took the military unit.
  26. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 May 2014 11: 15
    0
    as I understand it, the great Ukrainians want to repeat the glory of Somali pirates and turn dill into the Gulf of Aden, but what do white people and pirates do right to Europe to wake up and together with Russia take control of the pipe from the west of Hungary from the east we are up to the construction of the southern stream
  27. Santor
    Santor 29 May 2014 11: 29
    0
    Quote: simply Ilyich
    here is a link to an article by Ivashov http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1401298451
    In general, Uncle Vova needs to look for national traitors and the fifth column closer to the Kremlin, repaint the Kremlin walls in green and ...
    It seems that the targeted sanctions of the West are the most productive thing: both their business was not harmed and Russia has become affectionate. Your shirt is always closer to the body. It's clear.


    Evgeni Fedorov well and thoughtfully explained about the 5 column and about Ukraine in the new video blog.

    1. Normal
      Normal 29 May 2014 16: 31
      -1
      Quote: Santor
      About the 5th column ...


      Old and no longer clings. The fifth column is no longer relevant!

      To introduce troops is to enter a new stage in a complex and dramatic battle against the unipolar world and the agonizing American hegemony. Do not introduce - commit geopolitical suicide and admit the rightness of Bolotnaya, fifth and sixth column

      topwar.ru/49272-vvp-teper-rasshifrovyvaetsya-kak-vvedi-voyska-putin.html#comment

      -id-2676502


      I suggest not trifle, immediately go to the condemnation and stigmatization of hostile activities five hundred and fifth columns
  28. Isum
    Isum 29 May 2014 11: 48
    +8
    Pretty beautiful poem about the situation in Ukraine
  29. D.V.
    D.V. 29 May 2014 12: 15
    +8
    Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, you need to end this without a chapel. And cum hard! We need liquidators. Intricate guys with good imagination and spirit of adventurism. Provide them with money and equipment. Throw an intractable enemy into the territory and begin to destroy the unyielding elite! Systematically effective and tasteful! So that they understand that it is dangerous to joke with a great state. And these jokes can miraculously come out to the sides. And when it comes to what begins, "Let's make you a leader? No, what are you guys! I have children and a young wife! Let's better than you ..." That's when we start a dialogue. And I think he wakes up productive. And fascism will disappear like a drink.

    Although maybe I'm wrong .....
    1. Normal
      Normal 29 May 2014 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: D.V.
      Although maybe I'm wrong .....


      Right!
  30. maxistuff
    maxistuff 29 May 2014 12: 33
    0
    The main thing is not to panic. To defend one’s position properly, with feeling, with arrangement. As a result, if they do not want to negotiate peacefully, moderately supporting the people's militia to reach Kiev.
    1. D.V.
      D.V. 29 May 2014 12: 47
      0
      Quote: maxistuff
      The main thing is not to panic. To defend one’s position properly, with feeling, with arrangement. As a result, if they do not want to negotiate peacefully, moderately supporting the people's militia to reach Kiev.


      Believe me! If the rebels begin to move towards Kiev, then this old not agile everything in diligent and abscesses monster called world community will begin to fuss. And right away, a cry will begin about human rights, about the obscure democratically extradited and for nothing oppressed authorities of a non-Ukraine. UN troops will immediately appear and there will be so much noise that God forbid not to go deaf. And most of all the Americans will yell!
  31. Alien.vvg
    Alien.vvg 29 May 2014 12: 43
    0
    Along quiet pug-rivers, crayfish, and gullies, help is coming, and then they will be surprised that some rebels will never break down. Meanwhile, squabbles begin among the EU
  32. Msta-s
    Msta-s 29 May 2014 12: 51
    0
    Quote: brelok
    It seems that he wants to treat not the symptoms of the disease but the cause! If so, then we will find out after treatment

    This is a longer process, but the most faithful!
  33. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 29 May 2014 13: 33
    +8
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/783/wlqc632.jpg

    although it wouldn’t be too bad to take Zapadentsev’s hands, well, for an exemplary flogging like the new Nuremberg ....
    1. Michael_59
      Michael_59 29 May 2014 15: 52
      0
      Quote: DanSabaka
      and zapadentsev to pick up


      Map does not match, Crimea - Russia!
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 29 May 2014 16: 07
        +2
        Well, maybe Novorossia will be in the Russian Federation ....
  34. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 29 May 2014 14: 18
    0
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    .. Most of them chose the "west" - and, just for the reasons that I indicated. If you think that this is "nonsense", "nonsense", well, I will not dissuade you from this.

    How many Ukrainians work in the West?
    According to the data from K. Romodanovsky (FMS), about 2 million Ukrainians work in Russia, + according to estimates, another 700 thousand are illegal. 10% of the working-age population work for Russia! How much is Europe? Just don't assign emigrants! "Announce the entire list, pzhaltsa!"
  35. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 29 May 2014 14: 24
    0
    About taxes: In Germany there is (for now) such a tax as from GEZ, that is, any household MUST register a TV with this service (GEZ) and pay 30 Euros from each TV set. There are people who do not watch TV, that is, they do, but through IPTV, so they! these letters of happiness come every month! If you registered "with a fool", you will have to pay until your death, even if you throw all the TV out of the house!
  36. Panzerjager
    Panzerjager 29 May 2014 14: 50
    +1
    There is only one good thing in all this: Europe has fully shown its true face. It's no secret that there were many people who believed that Europe treats Russia and the Russians very well, and all the "horror stories" are simply "Kremlin propaganda." They say that the Europeans are nice guys, and the evil Putin slanders them. And now even the most stubborn comrades should be clear: if tomorrow they start shooting at them, somewhere in Nizhny Novgorod, then the Europeans will not be upset, but rather in ecstatic ecstasy.
    The other is strange: after all, Russia had some good, solid and very monetary agreements with Germany, France, Belgium ... why did they bury all this? Well, what did the European businessmen get in return? Obama's promise to get LNG on tankers from Australia? In addition, the Russian Bear has now finally turned its rear to Europe and extended its friendly paw to China. Maybe the Asians are not as "civilized" as the Europeans, but they, it seems, have never thrown us like that and are not planning to impose sanctions on Washington's orders.
    So ... what is Europe doing? Apparently, they want again Russian tanks on the streets of Berlin ...
    1. Evrepid
      Evrepid 29 May 2014 15: 17
      0
      Well, you know ... They didn’t throw it. China does this all the time.
      Only serve technologies, but they don’t want to pay for these technologies. Well, to be more precise, of course they will pay, but not the price how much the development of the technology costs, but for a product made using this technology.
      And the difference is always very large in the cost of R&D and the cost of one two products.
      Example? Please, how much does a processor cost for a personal? Yes, you can buy 1000-1500 in any stall, but how much does it cost to develop this processor? 100 million if not more.
      Here is such a friendship you evaluate as they do not throw?

      I'm not saying that the west is good! I just say that you should not blindly believe in the honesty of one person, just because someone else turned out to be a cheater!
      And, of course, you should not consider absolutely any sincere honest person!
      There is a saying: "They are greeted by their clothes, they are escorted by their minds."
      Wait and see who is who.
      And you shouldn't forget about the "Paper Tiger" either, he is now actively preparing for military operations and can simply stupidly fill up with bodies, even a BIG club in the form of an atomic bomb will not help.
  37. Michael_59
    Michael_59 29 May 2014 15: 51
    0
    Quote: Trit Nakosh
    Show the state



    Austria. They had such a period - the Austrian empire extended half the world. And it happened according to the principle: "while all of Europe is at war, Austria is getting married")))
  38. La xnumx
    La xnumx 29 May 2014 16: 32
    +1
    Well, what kind of games can they have? !!! The Kiev monkey is under external control. So who is there to lead the game ?! Menagerie - he is the menagerie.
  39. Anna Kirichuk
    Anna Kirichuk 29 May 2014 17: 21
    0
    There are already many groups in the networks where assistance to the Southeast is going. Who can what. At least so far. Here are a couple of links: http://www.mmmalexriaz.com/2014/05/blog-post_26.html
    http://vk.com/humanitarian.army
  40. Bormental
    Bormental 29 May 2014 19: 57
    0
    Russia waited for the vote in the European Parliament and the signing of a contract with the PRC. Hands free, stsuki, stock up on Vaseline.
  41. Arkan
    Arkan 29 May 2014 20: 45
    +1
    One thing is clear: you need to do something. For, flirting with the Kiev junta and tolerating European mockery, we will not get to anything good.


    It is necessary to help the militias, really help. We can’t use weapons (MANPADS, ATGMs, sniper rifles, ammunition), directly, we must give money, let the militias buy it. I agree with the author of the article, I do not see the logic of the development of events.
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 29 May 2014 22: 53
      0
      Quote: Arkan
      One thing is clear: you need to do something. For, flirting with the Kiev junta and tolerating European mockery, we will not get to anything good.


      It is necessary to help the militias, really help. We can’t use weapons (MANPADS, ATGMs, sniper rifles, ammunition), directly, we must give money, let the militias buy it. I agree with the author of the article, I do not see the logic of the development of events.


      And the logic of events is rather simple and obvious: the carnage is increasing, right? That is, addiction to military action is imposed. Further, the degree of Russia's patience is being tested in order to prepare everyone for the transfer of hostilities to Russian soil. Moreover, Washington needs to understand the extent of the maximum possible pressure exerted on Russia. And Russia, as it were, repeats: early, let them come closer .... In Europe, too, the atmosphere is heating up, few people want the III world to be unleashed. At a speech at West Point, Obama replied to the whole world that the US Army would continue to act on all "threats to the world". A unipolar world, you know. Hitler would have envied ...
  42. Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 29 May 2014 21: 02
    +1
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    I will say a seditious thought. Oh, and minus me ... Well, okay: Russia lost the "battle for Ukraine" back in 93, when the people's elected parliament was shot and instead of a parliamentary republic began to build a tsarist-oligarchic system. The "European" choice of Ukraine is, first of all, a choice between equality of all before the law, and not, as in Russia, nepotism, the priority of confidants, relatives, "servants", "friends", etc. The "European" choice is, first of all, understandable and fair rules of doing business and labor rules, and not the way we have in Russia - everything is "by definition" and "as the master said, it will be so", corruption, etc. "European" choice is an honest and fair trial , and not "Basmanny", as in Russia. "European" choice is a decent wage and working conditions, not "gray" wages and slave, powerless labor, as in Russia. And so on and so forth. In addition, “being with Russia” means constantly being at the forefront of criticism from the West, constantly taking “slaps in the face” with it from the United States and the West, etc. So that it is possible and necessary to understand Ukrainians. And it is not necessary to blame everything on the "Bendera", "fascists" and others, the enemies who pushed Ukraine away from Russia are in our country. For all the time after the collapse of the USSR, we have stood and built a society that has no attraction for any of the normal people, therefore, one should not be surprised at the "European" choice of Ukrainians.

    And I plus you - for your own opinion and not the fear of being minus. And I will not say that I do not agree. Since 1992 I have been working for a foreign uncle, I had to work for several years in Korean and Japanese shipyards in observation groups. Although I am both a patriot and a Russian, but ... we won’t have this for a very long time! And in Incheon, at the Handaevskaya shipyard, the one-on-one social network was copied from the Soviet one - housing for workers, schools, boarding houses, education, vacations. And the holidays and weekends in the working calendar are much more than ours! This is about how we are told that our country is only resting! I would also like for us to have it this way - like ours!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 30 May 2014 09: 31
      +1
      I, too, have been working for the "damned" west for many years, after I was thrown out of work in the 90s, like most of my colleagues, and the enterprise itself was sold out in parts, like thousands of others of the same kind throughout the former THE USSR. I well know how "bad" it is in the West. However, those who did not work there and "feed" on all sorts of fables about the "decaying west" from various losers - it is useless to explain something, they will not believe it anyway, well, let them think as they want.
  43. Kamarada
    Kamarada 29 May 2014 22: 28
    -1
    Yes YOU NEED Yes stronger, So that the first time to beat the reptiles, All the same, they are already to blame for everything.
  44. ioann1
    ioann1 29 May 2014 22: 38
    0
    The time of the denouement is approaching inexorably. The crimes of the Ukrainian army are on the rise. It would seem that time is passing and there is still an opportunity to change their minds, to end the slaughter of their own people, to try to solve it peacefully, but ... Washington will not let it. According to his instructions, you can kill as much as possible, and he (Washington) will "calm" world opinion. Thus, the increase in genocide is a meaningful thing. The fascists are acting under Washington's dictation, which means that the Americans are testing Russia for patience. Hundreds of innocent people are dying, and we are waiting, waiting ...
    By the way, in Russia there are subversive sites like: echo, rain, newsru.com, elephant .... very evil pumping hysteria. But this is, by the way.
  45. Erg
    Erg 29 May 2014 22: 55
    +2
    In Russia, only one is generated by America. This is cowardice. Spasbo for cons
  46. razved
    razved 29 May 2014 23: 06
    0
    Quote: Kuvabatake
    And how in such circumstances to go to the aid of the east? You will immediately find yourself an invader.

    what does it mean how? help is coming. only it can be different too.
  47. firstsokol
    firstsokol 30 May 2014 00: 05
    +3
    It is not at all necessary to bring up to date. Filatov accurately noted with "Sagittarius" - "Act strictly according to the law, that is, act on the sly!"
  48. Erg
    Erg 30 May 2014 00: 37
    +1
    "You are with us, my dear, like, on Saturdays, or how?" (Quote). Isn't it time to get up from your knees? ...
  49. zveroboy61
    zveroboy61 30 May 2014 06: 35
    0
    Recently, the conduct of wars or the solution of any problems in another state has been solved
    due to the powerful use of the media and "good" assistants. And to get Russia directly into the affairs of Ukraine
    - This is a new hemorrhoids.
  50. driver
    driver 30 May 2014 10: 38
    0
    There is no "body" - no "case". I look forward to when the "huntyata" will simply "quietly disappear."