The Myth of Emperor Nicholas II

The campaign to exalt Nicholas II began under M. Gorbachev, and they did it with such exaggerations and exaggerations, which is simply amazing. Nicholas was called a highly educated person of the highest culture, a great military strategist. At the same time, a new campaign for “de-Stalinization” began, the first to be launched by N. Khrushchev, but L. Brezhnev turned. They were opposed to each other — Stalin and educated Nikolai; a military strategist emperor and a tyrant who had “fallen down with corpses of soldiers” of Germans; the beautiful family man Romanov and the tragedy in the family of Stalin — one son disappeared in captivity, the second got drunk, either “killed” his wife, or “brought him to suicide”. Under the emperor, Russia experienced a “silver age” of culture, Stalin “repressed” scholars and cultural figures, the intelligentsia.

Boris Yeltsin continued this campaign for Gorbachev, arriving at the funeral of the Romanov family (or perhaps not them, some experts doubted the remains), said: “We are all to blame. We need to repent ... ". True, what the Russian people and other indigenous peoples who have passed through the “meat grinder” of the revolution and the Civil War must repent is not clear. The Revolution and the Civil one was arranged not by the common people, but by quite respectable, wealthy people. Terror - red, white, green, foreign - against whom they led? Against the people - what to repent of? What a little cut out ?! Did the people force the emperor to enter the First World War, when the smartest people of the empire (Stolypin, Durnovo, etc.) said that this war would lead the empire to a catastrophe. A representative of the people, Rasputin, was also against the war, because its masons killed.

Is the people guilty of having killed the Romanov family? Behind the murder are quite specific people — Trotsky, Sverdlov, and behind them the interests of the “world backstage”, many facts have already surfaced about this. Maybe it is worth London, Paris, Washington to repent ?! In the device of the revolution in Russia, the unleashing and support of the Civil War, mass terror, including the murder of the Romanovs.

What is known about Nicholas II

He was born 19 in May 1868 of the year, was the firstborn in the family of Emperor Alexander III, therefore was the heir to the throne. But it was believed that it would not be soon - his father was a real hero, he bent the horseshoes, lifted huge weights. The first shock for Nicholas was the murder of Emperor Alexander II, his grandfather, a bomb exploded his legs, disfigured his body, face. The emperor was dying in the Winter Palace, 12-year-old Nicholas was present during his agony. Alexander, the father of Nicholas, himself did not think that so soon he would have to become emperor even under such sad circumstances. He did not care much about the transfer of managerial skills to an heir, he thought that he would be prepared for 30 years.

The mentor of the future emperor was the chief procurator of the Holy Synod of Pobedonostsev, and he also raised his father. He was a conservative man, even for his time, two principles were the basis of his outlook: autocracy and Orthodoxy, he considered everything else as seditious. Reforms for him were the “market of projects”, the constitution was the “most terrible plague”, newspapers were the “kingdom of lies”, the suffrage was a “mistake”, the parliament was the institution to satisfy personal ambitions and vanity. In principle, one can largely agree with him if you look at these phenomena in modern Russia and in the world.

By the 22 years, the heir to the throne was a great rider, a dancer, aptly shot, English, French and German owned better than Russian. He kept a diary, in May 1890 of the year he wrote down: “Today I finally and forever stopped my studies,” that is, he finished his studies in 22 of the year. Then, one should think, he had to delve into the subtleties of the top manager, draw up projects to increase the welfare of the people, strengthen the position of the empire, learn and learn.

But, judging by the documents, these problems didn’t worry him much - he was attracted by an idle lifestyle: balls, revels, various secular entertainments - opera, theater, ballet, parties, winter in the rink. From 19 for years, there was a “duty” —the head of the Cossack squadron: Cossacks galloped past him trotting, after the show, booze. 25 June 1887 of the year he wrote down: "The appropriate amount of moisture was taken, I tried six kinds of port wine and sprinkled slightly, lay on the lawn and drank, was taken home by officers." When with such an active life to learn to manage the state? According to military knowledge, Nicholas could be assigned to junior officers, not higher, and then by virtue of education, and not military experience.

From where the creators of the myth of the “talents of the commander” of the last emperor took it, is not clear. The same Stalin was a “crisis manager” in the Civil War, acting quite faithfully in the threatened areas (near Tsaritsyn, Perm, Petrograd), showed himself as an excellent organizer. That is, long before the Second World War, he gained a unique military experience.

Another passion for young Nicholas was ballerina, especially he liked Matilda Kshesinskaya. Initially, his parents looked at this fascination with their fingers, which they said would pass. But not passed, there were rumors that he wants to marry her at all. Then he was sent on a world tour, and not to gain additional knowledge about the world, the countries. To do this, they would introduce the appropriate people to the expedition, but for purely entertainment purposes. His companions were drinking companions from the Preobrazhensky regiment, hussars, brother George (he was later thrown off due to illness). Naturally, on the battleship "Memory of Azov" an atmosphere of fun, idleness and drunkenness was established. The journey is full of entertainment - outlandish countries, hunting for exotic animals, though Nicolas almost killed a samurai in Japan, he threw himself at him with a sword. Nicholas suffered a severe head injury, since then his headaches began to torment him, there was a constant pain syndrome, which, naturally, had a negative effect on the future emperor.

The journey did not change the heir for the better; when he returned, he returned to his usual life: drinking, social life, resumed meetings with Matilda. As a result, until the 26 years, Nikolai led the life of an ordinary rich rake: he enjoyed himself, drank, cared for ballerinas. And these are the years when his still “fresh mind” could develop, absorb new knowledge. He could participate in various projects for the development of the empire, not formally, but in reality. Thoughts that it is necessary to learn did not arise, because the father in 1894 was only 49 years old, he had to rule 20-25 for another year. But he fell ill; in order to strengthen the position of the future emperor, to “steadfast” him, they decided to marry.

Marriage with Elena French (daughter of the Count of Paris) did not work out, she did not want to convert to Orthodoxy, and Nikolai was against it. For the same reasons, they did not marry Margarita of Prussia. As a result, they stopped at the candidature of Princess Alice of Hesse-Darmstadt, they even sympathized with each other. Although Alexander and his wife initially did not like it, the emperor’s illness changed the situation. Alexander managed to bless the couple and October 20 1894 of the year died. So Princess Alice from the unknown Darmstadt house became the empress of one of the most powerful empires of the planet. Naturally, she also had no experience in managing a huge empire, she could not help Nicholas in this, besides, because of lust for power, she quarreled with Nicholas's mother.

The father’s brothers also couldn’t help to modernize the empire: the Grand Duke Vladimir Alexandrovich, the president of the Academy of Arts, the commander of the guard, spent most of his time in entertainment, hunting, drinking, and “patronizing” ballerinas. The Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich "managed" maritime affairs, simultaneously looting public funds, spent a lot of time in Paris, spending huge sums on mistresses. The Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich was a conservative, in many respects because of his negligence the Khodyn tragedy occurred, after which he was nicknamed “the prince of Khodynsk”. Prince Pavel Aleksandrovich was only 8 years older than Nicholas, he was close to him, but spent most of his time abroad. That is, the support of Nicholas II was fragile. In addition, each grand prince had his own retinue, his entourage, the maintenance of which cost the people quite expensive.

Undoubtedly, Nicholas got a heavy share - the empire had a lot of problems: peasant (land), the problem of further industrialization, national issues, low level of literacy of the population, security problems and so on, without solving which it was impossible to go further. But he could, “having rolled up his sleeves”, having abandoned entertainment, “plow”, like the same Peter the Great, could “break a lot of wood” in the process. The goal would justify the difficulties and losses, could save the Russian empire, transforming it into an industrial power, introduce universal primary, then secondary education, like the Bolsheviks. He had unlimited power, could punish and pardon, most importantly, the potential was gigantic - Russia had not yet passed through the Russian-Japanese, the first revolution of 1905-1907, had not entered the First World War. Stalin was much more difficult in the 30 years - he did not have absolute power, the country was destroyed, even what was in 1913 was lost, huge territories were lost, there was not a huge gold reserve of the empire, several tens of millions were lost or remained in other states people had to re-create the management body, to restore the scientific and technical potential.

Emperor Nicholas II did not use the enormous possibilities of the empire, ruined her, and his family ...

Sources of:
Bokhanov A.N. Nicholas II. M., 2008.
Platonov O. A. The crown of thorns in Russia. Nicholas II in secret correspondence. M., 1996.
Firsov S. Nikolay II. M., 2010.
http://www.avit-centre.spb.ru/exb/06/kor/k2.htm
http://www.booksite.ru/fulltext/esy/nre/por/taz/hy/17.htm
http://militera.lib.ru/db/nikolay-2/index.html
http://www.rus-sky.com/history/library/diaris/1894.htm

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Comments

[nesm]

Well spilled DAM, reincarnation?

[lokdok]

For nesm: Well, DAM did not involve Russia in a foreign war.
In general, it is not clear why they create a heroic image of the tsar, who destroyed the country, through whose fault a huge number of Russians died.

[Snark]

Huge, what is it?

[konsul]

Mr. Samsonov you presented very one-sided and dubious information. You were never young and did not fall in love, did not drink with friends, did not travel (no matter how far)? Why on earth do you refuse this young Tsarevich? of the subsequent thieves (as the usurpers of power were called in Russia) had or have the same education and views on his country and its state as he did? If my memory serves me, in 1973 the newspapers triumphantly wrote that the harvest was equal to the level of 1913. a worker could buy 3-4 cows with his salary, could or can ordinary workers do it now after the 17th? Industry was at a sufficiently high level for that time, labor legislation was the most perfect at that time. Plans for electrification and metro construction were in the whole country from Warsaw to Kamchatka had about 36 thousand prisoners, about the same number of police (here I could be wrong), on the personal funds of the emperor soda Shelters for children and the homeless laughed. By demography, Russia was in 1st place in population growth (increased by a third under Nicholas II). The country was sober under the tsar, the dry law introduced in connection with the outbreak of World War I at the request of the people, was increased in duration By the way, during that war, the country lived in peacetime. It was precisely the development of Siberia that began according to Stolypin's reform (would the tsar be appointed to the post of prime minister of the pest?). I would like to tell about that time using the example of my village. The population is 1 thousand people, a dozen mills, 3,5 stores, of which 15 grocery 7 blacksmiths, 4 schools, a hospital, a brick factory, painting of a manufactory, a backstein cheese was produced under the guidance of German masters, a stud farm, clover was sold in Hamburg, there were 2 Orthodox churches in the village (and now they are barely whole without roofs) and 2 chapels .In our area until 4. lived 1917 thousand. people, now 250 thousand. And this is all 27 kilometers from Moscow to the east in a village whose name will not tell you anything. My great-grandfather served at that time in the Life Guards Preobrazhensky regiment, took part in the 1500st World War (maybe even ungrateful Armenians defended from genocide, parts of the Transfiguration were there) and until the end of their days in 1. kept the portrait of the emperor in his belongings (for this you yourself know what could have been) .The great-great-grandfather was a midshipman and took part in the defense of Port Arthur, after returning from there he was able to open 1958 shops in a neighboring village and put a huge apiary (you know a lot of such examples after 2 Any tree is judged by its fruit, do not spit into the past and see the future. Take a closer look at history, including the sad events around the abdication of the emperor and who was behind it and imagine yourself in his place. It looks like you are stuck in history the USSR and not Russia.

[radio operator]

In confirmation of your words:
This is Lenin - do not confuse with the emperor! - this was Lenin who drove exclusively to foreign cars, and at the end of his life he preferred the Rolls-Royces, all his closest associates in the party drove exclusively to foreign cars, and in the garage of the last Russian Tsar most of the cars were “ Russo-Balti ".
Immediately after the outbreak of the First World War, the state allocated multimillion-dollar loans for the construction of as many as six car factories! It didn't work out ... We would have been brands, some "Ustyugovs", "Trofimovs", etc. As a result, we drive VW, Mercedes, Japs, ... It's very sad.

[shurych]

In Russo-Balta, the Russians were the body and frame

[Alex]

Quote: radio operator

and in the garage of the last Russian Tsar, most of the cars were Russo-Balta.

Ruso-Balt - screwdriver production. And there is no need to poke a couple of hundred cars in the eyes for management (under Stalin, the secretaries of the regional committees did not privatize factories and did not teach their children at Harvard at public expense) with the mass production of vehicles. You can allocate as much money as you like for the construction of factories (ships, weapons, schools, etc.), but what's the point if they all end up on the lush breasts of a mistress. It was in the USSR that the industry was created (and not only the automobile industry). Even if not the same as in Germany or Japan, but she was and worked in our farm.
And the fact that now everything is foreign ... So what's the matter - take power into your own hands, and the bourgeois oligarchs yourself know where.

[nnz226]

Revolutions don't come from a good life! And this "tsar-father" managed to bring the country entrusted to him to 2! And there is no need to blame the Bolsheviks: they took part in the 1st revolution insofar as it began spontaneously after Bloody Sunday, where more than 2000 St. Petersburg workers were killed (interesting, but under the Bolsheviks, the people in the capital were not brought down on the streets, and the dispersal of supporters The Constituent Assembly does not roll, the number of those killed is not more than two dozen, all the more the demonstration of opponents of the then government, and not of loyal subjects, was dispersed!), And the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with the February Revolution. The liberals (the forerunner of the noneshnie liberals) brought the country to the point of ruin and anarchy in 2 months: "Power was lying in the mud" and the Bolsheviks took it. And they didn’t give it away by all means, just as their enemies tried to take away power by all means. Well, the total losses in the 7st world + civil wars (also a consequence of Nikolashka's stupid rule), according to various estimates, range from 1 to 11 million people.

[Alex]

Respected konsul, your righteous anger is quite understandable, but, excuse me, absolutely unconstructive, because it lies in the field of emotions, not facts. You are trying to make a banal substitution of concepts - a method that is quite well known in the debate, but does not lead to an understanding of the problem.
You talk about education, but you forget that it is not synonymous with EDUCATION. No diplomas and universities add intelligence and experience - it is acquired in the process of ACTIVITY. But here Nicholas had the main problem: mental laziness did not allow him to become either a grandfather who was trying to reform Russia, or a distant predecessor who created an empire from a children's designer of principalities and khanates. And his wife (with all my admiration for the woman mother) also could not become the second "Russian German" on one of the most powerful throne in the world.
Without all this, we can talk as much as we like about the number of cows that a Russian worker could buy; about unprecedented harvests harvested by wooden plow on a skinny mare; food abundance in the shops of one particular village; about the number of churches that could not provide mass at least primary education in the villages ...
You are absolutely right -

Every tree is judged by its fruit.

Where are the fruits of Nikolai's rule? A shameful defeat for an army that had no experience in modern warfare? The deafening destruction of almost the entire fleet against the background of the sprinkling of jewelry with the Grand Duke's mistresses? Constant vacillation between constitutional reform (the State Duma was then assembled and dispersed four times) and Black Hundred pogroms? And what about that series of holy fools and "miracle workers" who were not translated under the empress (Rasputin was the most famous and last, but far from the only one)? There is no need to talk about his leadership of the army in WWI: his great-great-grandfather Alexander I at least really appreciated his own talents and did not prevent Kutuzov from leading the war.
The only thing that looks savagery is the killing (execution you cannot name here) of his children. The emperor and empress were to answer for the results of their rule, but the children ...

[Rashid]

It is clear that the murder of the king (who was already at that time) and his family with young children does not cause delight and is purely humanly tragic. But death, whatever it may be, does not give the right to speak of a historical person better or worse than it really is. As always, it is better to know simple, verified facts, and people will draw conclusions themselves.

[Skills]

konsul

1. You can not compare the common man and senior managers. their responsibility should be a multiple of the above.
2. If everything was so beautiful, why did it end so badly?

[konsul]

1. Why? The needs are the same. Upon accession to the throne, Nicholas II recognized this responsibility.
2. Here I can offer only the study of history, because the material is huge.

[Alex]

1.

Quote: konsul

The needs are the same. Upon accession to the throne, Nicholas II recognized this responsibility.

And How? Did you stop drinking? Or reformed the country?
2.

Quote: konsul

Here I can only offer a study of history, because the material is huge.

Thanks for the advice, they know the story quite well (I’m not afraid of a big word - they are developing it, since the official authorities obviously do not want to do this).

[mitrich]

When it comes to Nicholas II, I offer you the following story:
in 1914, Samsonov’s army was encircled in East Prussia. The corps of the guards cavalry under the command of Rennenkampf had to save her (in my opinion, such a name, I can’t say for sure). Samsonov’s army perished. The commander shot himself. Our historical sources believe that the failure of Rennenkampf was to blame for this tragedy. However, it is not. This corps of the guards cavalry POGIB in fruitless attacks in order to save Samsonov. And most importantly, who served in the Guards Cavalry? Children of ministers, senators, large landowners TOGO time. That is, that ELITE did not hesitate to die in an attack, albeit barren. Now transfer this story to our time. and you will immediately feel sad.
And further. For information: Nicholas II was arrested in 1917 not by the Socialist-Revolutionaries, not by the Bolsheviks, not even by the "Octobrists", but by the future leaders of the "white movement" - Kornilov and Alekseev.
LOKDOK, of course, is right. Both Nikolai and Medvedev are weak leaders of the state, but they are not enemies of Russia either. They just turned out of place. Neither harm nor good. I consider the last emperor of Russia to be just a decent person who turned out to be out of place and at the wrong time. And purely human memory is bright for him. Before his death, he didn’t feel cold, he stood straight.

[Cheese]

Sorry, Mitrich, but about Rennekampf and the East Prussian operation of 1914 in general, you're wrong. A very competent description of the events is given in the book by Barbara Takman "August Cannons" published by AST in 1999. I recommend.

[Alex]

Quote: mitrich

Both Nikolai and Medvedev are weak leaders of the state, but they are not enemies of Russia either. They just turned out of place.

I don’t know how about Medvedev, but about Nicholas, based on your own words, Maurice Druon said excellently: “When the king ruins France”. Sometimes inactivity can become worse than any action.

[DAGESTAN333]

Really it was impossible to leave the royal family somewhere in a remote corner to quietly live out their lives, and let the children start a new life.

[Alex]

Quote: DAGESTANETS333

Really it was impossible to leave the royal family somewhere in a remote corner to quietly live out their lives, and let the children start a new life.

Everything was clear with the tsar and his wife, and he himself was not particularly deceived: in Yekaterinburg he agreed to stand trial and bear any responsibility (I don’t know whether he said this sincerely or just a pose, although for all the minuses he was a cheap comedian like Nero still was not). The empress also actively intervened in public affairs, although she understood no more than her husband. In general, the typical reincarnation of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette with their own fate. But with the children it really scared. Although they had their own cruel reasons: there was nowhere to hide them from the White-Czechs who rebelled, and the counter-revolution was gaining power in full swing. Giving them such a banner in their hands is a complete suicide. The only thing that I don’t know is: Lenin, Trotsky and Sverdlov simply took advantage of the situation to realize their plans, or did they plan to spare the children in case of a favorable outcome of the revolution and the absence of the Civil War? I think that we will never know.

[Maj.]

DAGESTAN
It is impossible. Any member of the family is a banner around which supporters of the monarchy will be grouped. What naturally threatened (not the family members themselves) the Soviet government.

[DAGESTAN333]

Yes .., thoroughly solved the issue. But it is wrong to kill the defeated enemy in the absence of resistance. It was necessary to tell people and the world that they had been executed, and hide them.

[Vega]

There are enough troubles in history, led by all sorts of False Dmitry.
Thus, the execution of the voluntarily renounced anointed of God with his family is an act of humanism that saved thousands or even millions of lives.

[DAGESTAN333]

The only excuse in my opinion.

[mitrich]

Ost
I don’t say that I studied it, information from Solzhenitsyn ("The Red Wheel") and Kozhinov. After all, I was trying to say a little about that, I slapped the comment without preparation. I mean that I can't imagine how Mikhalkov's daughter N, S. would show me her boob in real combat, not in a movie. And during the time of Nicholas II, the country's elite served in the army, fought, the tsar's daughters did not consider it shameful for themselves to be sisters of mercy to "plow", in other words, to take out ducks with urine from under the wounded soldiers. In general, under tsarism, somehow everything was fairer, or something.
And further. I saw many years ago a veteran, a native of the Kurgan region. He did not wear jubilee awards, no metal on the motna. On his left side of the jacket modestly hung ... 4 St. George's Crosses and 3 Orders of Glory of all 3 degrees. I was small and stupid then, this man had died a long time ago, and now I would kneel before him. That's really - a servant to the king, a father to the soldiers. I somehow associate Nicholas II with that heroic time.

[Cheese]

OK.
In the Orthodox tradition, justice is the destiny of the devil, the prerogative of God is mercy. This is so about tsarism.

[konsul]

"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, because they will be satisfied .., blessed are the merciful because they will have mercy .." This is the Gospel. So you are wrong.

[Cheese]

Get enough and be pardoned a little different things.

[konsul]

I’m talking about justice, that thirsty people will see it. There is no such thing (justice is the destiny of the devil) in Orthodoxy.

[Cheese]

Yes, of course, they will see her. This is generally a matter of theology, not a discussion here.

[Alex]

Quote: mitrich

I somehow associate Nicholas II with that heroic time.

Before a soldier who has twice become a Full Cavalier, and I will kneel down and kiss my hand, Battle banner. As for the ostentatious service in hospitals, firstly, not only the imperial family, but also many nobles did it - hurray-patriotism then went off scale, and, secondly, when it became clear that the war was not for one year and " ducks "with urine from morning to morning, then they all returned back to the capital, and spent the summer in adored Livadia.
All this glorification of the times of the last emperor is the result not only of the last years of "liberalization of history", but also, strangely enough, of the Soviet era. Remember this passion for the pseudo-White Guard song, all these "Lieutenants Golitsyns", "Hussar roulettes", "Quarters" and so on. Even bards and cinematography did their best: Bulat Okudzhava and Vladimir Luspekaev in "White Sun of the Desert" just perfectly intertwined (the customs officer Vereshchagin and "Lady Luck" with a guitar - who never had tears in their eyes?). Add Bulgakov with his immortal "White Guard" - that's a great romantic halo around a bygone era.
In reality, everything was better and worse. The bloody mess of the WWI combined with the heroism of Russian soldiers and the dedication of officers, the activity of the Black Sea Fleet as opposed to the decomposition of the Baltic, the deterioration of the domestic political situation against the background of complete deafness and blindness of power: all this required decisive and thoughtful actions that Nikolai was simply not capable of by virtue of his upbringing (and not education), which led to a completely logical result. By the way, Austria-Hungary, torn by almost the same problems, died almost simultaneously with the Russian Empire. And her leadership was also not up to par, although the absence of revolution and the Civil War did not make her demise so tragic.

[Enemigo]

Quote: konsul

A simple worker could buy 3-4 cows for his salary; could ordinary workers after the 17th, or could they now?

everyone was waiting for world-famous experts to start swinging penny royal cows.

infringement of the interaural ganglion?

you don't even know the price of a chicken in 1912-13, let alone how the autumn cow differs from the rest. if you look at the statistical collection "Russia in figures - 1912", then you can see what ordinary people ate all year round. porridge mostly, potatoes not often. the annual meat consumption for 80% of the population was 3 pounds, and even 1.3 eggs a year were devoured. at best, fish served as a weld.

Quote: konsul

The country under the king was sober, the prohibition introduced in connection with the beginning of the 1st world war at the request of the people, was increased in duration.

oh, these storytellers ... from the annual report of the Ministry of Health to the Tsar for 1912: "the general drunkenness of the lower classes leads to the degeneration of the nation." 48% of the children born annually do not live up to the age of 5 ... 10% of peasant children show signs of dementia ... the average life expectancy is 30.4 years ... you know, expert, that the most popular size of the uniform of the Russian miracle hero in WWI was 46th (teenage)? that from the beginning of the century until 1917, there were four famines in Russia that claimed millions of people? Yes, at the beginning of WWI, RI's external debt reached 2.5 per annum of the country's budget. Yes, according to the royal "achievements" there are so many things that you get tired of refuting.

[konsul]

Firstly, we are not with you,
secondly, more than 200 days a year fell on fasting and fasting days (Wednesday, Friday), in which meat and milk were not eaten, and from there data on annual consumption (then they tried to observe fasting),
thirdly, I talked about the introduction of Prohibition with the beginning of World War 1, and this is 1914, the desire for an extension looks quite logical, "the general drunkenness of the lower classes leads to the degeneration of the nation" sounds as relevant now, they drank mainly in cities in workers neighborhoods, in the countryside it was a rarity (once)
fourth, my ancestors and the ancestors of my wife were 180-200cm tall (and died in 70 years of living with healthy teeth) Have you ever seen photos of soldiers of that time?
in the fifth, provide accurate data on hunger from the beginning of the century to 1917 (millions of lives), as far as I know, cases of famine were overlapped from the country's reserves. Then the country was 80% peasant (count how many "people" there are children with only "signs of dementia", now there are no signs of imbecility more, how many alignment classes exist in schools, alignment is just a buzzword in the name).
I talked with witnesses of life under the king (I found him alive), in their opinion they lived well, what happened in 17 was called “they went crazy”, they came to ravage our village “from the center”, and they loved the king and “he was in his place ". As I see it, you did not understand that I live in the village and know better than you and know more about cows and chickens (they still prick cattle in our winter (meat-packing plants only in cities)). In principle, I deliberately did not touch upon problems in Russia. Empires that undoubtedly were, showing the one-sidedness and bias of the posted article.

[radio operator]

I agree with you. Opponents pull out exclusively chernukha, without even trying to be a little objective.

[Alex]

konsulTo be honest, I'm just happy that your particular ancestral village was a kind of branch of heaven on earth, but let's not deal with what among the "experts" (players in "What? Where? When?") is called "justifying the version." This is when they try to present a knowingly incorrect, but very convenient and beautiful answer, if not true, then at least alternative. Is it really not clear that if everything were so beautiful and idyllic, then neither the Bolsheviks, nor the overseas and foreign sponsors of the revolution never succeeded not only in organizing a revolution, but even sponsoring a tolerable revolt. I think you understand that “they do not look for good from good”, and this approach is more than typical for a Russian person. And if it came to such a social explosion, then something was wrong in the "Danish Kingdom", and not childishly.

[mitrich]

ENEMIGO,
harsh, but also an opinion. And what is "INTRUSION OF THE INTERMANAL GANGLES" please explain, otherwise I did not get it.

[Michael]

Yes, we are all clever in hindsight, but we ourselves really can’t figure it out in our world and time. That Solzhenitsyn wrote, then Pikul, then the other and each has its own truth. We did not live in those days and we do not have the right to give categorical assessments of that time.

[Enemigo]

Quote: mitrich

And what is "INTRUSION OF THE INTEREIGN GANGLES" please explain, otherwise I didn’t get it.

the same as the Phimosis of the Brain, Phimosis, Nanosum, etc.

see meme details in Lurkomorye.

[Enemigo]

Quote: Michael

We did not live in those days and we do not have the right to give categorical assessments of that time.

suppose you did not participate in the Second World War, did not personally know Hitler, but do not undertake to give estimates? you will go far.

[Pedro]

Shitty and one-sided article.

[Forward]

Nikolai and Stalin were not temporary workers, and this is the main thing. Let Nikolai and the weak ruler, or, the strong one not for me to judge. At least he did not begin to execute people in batches when there was a threat to the throne and dynasty, although he could. And this is weakness, or strength, judge for yourself. Stalin raised the country after the devastation and war and had to be tough. Hence the Gulag and collectivization. But what they are alike is that both were patriots of their country, and their life was inextricably linked with the fate of the empire. They could not afford to dump abroad in the event of the collapse or victory of the enemy. Their children, as rightly noted mitrich, fought along with the entire elite at the forefront, and daughters worked in hospitals. And considered it an honor to die for the empire. For the king and the fatherland! For motherland for Stalin ! There were such slogans if you remember. Compare with the current state of things. And for me, I believe that each of them deserves respect and a place in history.

[Michael]

Quote: Enemigo

suppose you did not participate in the Second World War, did not personally know Hitler, but do not undertake to give estimates? you will go far.

Yes, I am not familiar with 28 Panfilov’s, J. Stalin and Cherchel. Yes, and not familiar with the materials on the murder of D. Kennedy - where to go? (without bawdy).

[Alex]

Quote: Michael

Yes, I am not familiar with 28 Panfilov’s, J. Stalin and Cherchel. Yes, and not familiar with the materials on the murder of D. Kennedy - where to go?

It is not a question of gibberish or empty speculations. History, although humanitarian, but also science and a scientific approach - facts, logic, theories, hypotheses - is quite acceptable and even necessary. As inevitable errors in judgments and estimates. And the fact that historical studies inevitably manifest both emotions and (unfortunately) political orders only makes the process of studying it more difficult and, I would say, more restrained.
This is because, as the ancient Greeks said, it is not necessary to be a chicken in order to know how it is fried. Here is an example. My father-in-law, a man of 75 years, in the army was a driver on the T-55. He didn’t see a single heavy tank (as the service developed), but in the classroom some wise guy told him that the towers did not rotate near the HF and ISovs. So is this the absolute truth of the one who lived then?
Each of us sees life exclusively from our bell tower (and it cannot be otherwise), but only from the height of a satellite can you see the whole Earth. So it is not necessary, firstly, to absolutize "eyewitness accounts"; secondly, to approach research with a ready-made result; and, thirdly, to be ready to accept the most correct answer, even if it does not correspond to your personal moral or other beliefs.
Hope it was

Quote: Michael

without slander

[Gur]

In human terms ... of course it’s a pity .. Nicholas and his family ... I can’t judge it .. him .. but I always held that thought .. that brother to brother .. father to son .. they won’t go out of a good life .. I I think that is ripe .. then it was opened ..

[radio operator]

Her patriots stood up to defend Russia.
They stood up for the defense of the USSR ... Alas ...
Such patriots were raised by the Soviet Union.

[shurych]

Nevertheless, the USSR won the great war and the Russian Empire Alas

[Russian Patriot]

Gossip about the campaign on the exaltation of Nicholas II under Gorbachev.
I don’t remember this in the late 80s.
The author is clearly shitting Nicholas II "for work" - you need to work out against Me, for Pu

[MIR]

An article about the "stupid, weak and bloody" king of all times and peoples
http://www.vojnik.org/empire/2

I also advise you to watch the multi-part documentary "History of Russia in the XX century" directed by N. Smirnov.

[Fantom75100]

The film is not unique !?

[Sierra]

Fries from Pikul .....

[Vyacheslav]

For the mere fact that under his "sensitive" leadership the country collapsed, it was necessary not only to shoot, but also to chop into pieces, pickle and throw out. You can consider me bloodthirsty !!!

[syday]

I feel sorry for the children, very much. Aliska, well, a woman is a woman, what can you take from her.
And Nikolashka, for lovers of fairy tales, read his diaries, at least during the war and you will no longer have any doubts, he didn’t get very easy.

[mitrich]

Once again for VYACHESLAV, only on a different topic,
Since you apparently completed a junior high school, you did not manage to master the full course in the history of your native state, I decided to educate you a little:
Nicholas II abdicated on 02.03.1917/XNUMX/XNUMX as a result of a coup d'état organized by interested circles of the higher Russian society, including generals. This coup was subsequently called the February Revolution.
And the country for which you are so happy fell apart later, the start of which was laid by the pussies from the Provisional Government, and Lenin and Trotsky registered the breakup.
Why did the king deny? I also thought, like you, that because of weakness of character. However, then I realized that not a damn thing like that. Due to the lack of like-minded people and support. Everywhere. And not only among the disintegrated mass of soldiers and workers, such as Vyacheslavov, but also among the generals, ministers, deputies, i.e. those who should and had to support him. That is why he left, believing that since everyone "does not want" him so, then there is nothing to persist.
And history, Syday, needs to be studied not from personal diaries. They are personal and are not intended for you. At least out of politeness to the deceased.

[Fantom75100]

Quote: mitrich

That is why he left, believing that since everyone "does not want" him so, then there is nothing to persist.

This is not weak-willed? Yugoslavia is not an example?
Registered, because another nickname.

[syday]

As I understand it, you propose to study the history of the works (Dumas, Pikul and Solzhenitsyn) well, the flag in your hands. I would advise you to read (Archive of the Russian Revolution. Ed. 1991 ed. Terra) I ask you sorry things are deeply personal, but what can you do, but the source is practical. Honestly, reverence to the deceased (Hitler, Stalin, Churchill, Morgan the pirate, Napoleon) Well, the list can be extended indefinitely and note all the dead, that they all must inspire reverence?

Quote: mitrich

And history, Syday, needs to be studied not from personal diaries. They are personal and are not intended for you. At least out of politeness to the deceased.

[Alex]

Quote: mitrich

Since you graduated from a seemingly incomplete secondary school, you did not manage to master the full course in the history of your native state,

Graduated, apparently, from the Academy, also enlighten:

Quote: mitrich

Nicholas II abdicated the throne of 02.03.1917 as a result of a coup d'état organized by the interested circles of the higher Russian society, including the generals. This coup was subsequently called the February Revolution. And the country for which you are so happy fell apart later

As my highly educated respondent knows, no processes are instantaneous, even in chemistry not every reaction proceeds in a split second. What can we say about social processes that last for years and whose consequences are visible and affect in decades. The collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia is a logical result of Nikolai Romanov’s activities, and his arrest by the generals is an attempt by the army to once again change the situation at the throne (there are more than enough examples of the army’s participation in coups d'etat in Russian history).

Quote: mitrich

twat from the interim government

Rudeness is not a sign of rightness.

Quote: mitrich

Why did the king deny? ... left, believing that since everyone "does not want" him, then there is nothing to persist.

The "take your toys and don't pee in my potty" situation is good for a kindergarten boy, but not for an empire leader. And if he allows himself such a trick, then what to say about his talents?

Quote: mitrich

And history, Syday, needs to be studied not from personal diaries.

Why not? Diary - written and stored innermost thoughts. And if a person in the most dramatic time for the country is interested in how many crows he shot, and the most vivid memory of the day is drinking with some chamberlain, then is it worth surprising such a "brilliant" result in the war? As well as personal?

[MIR]

Phantom, the film is not unique. I advise you to look at everyone who is interested in the history of our state. I did not come across a more objective film not the topic of Russian history in the 20th century with all its dramatic twists.

[radio operator]

One-sided article. Wretched and biased.

[Alex]

Quote: radio operator

One-sided article. Wretched and biased.

The KVN says that a joke repeated twice becomes twice as funnier. Do you also think that the thesis repeated three times becomes three times more correct?

[mitrich]

SYDAY
what is there to answer. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. In fact, I was outraged not so much by your reading of the diaries of Nicholas II, but how much your frank contempt for the tsar-priest. You would have behaved much more worthy in his place, right?

[syday]

The institution of the monarchy as such does not personally cause me to deny, rather the opposite, but personally Nikolai, and as a person he is by no means the worst representative of humanity, but as a (owner of the Russian land) and as a person who put his children to the wall. God forbid, be in his place.

[Vladimir]

hodynka, stony sunday ..., a small victorious war

[askoldson]

I will bring my five cents to your debate. good king - a bad king can argue up to user (sorry for my French). only such a question to all the apologists of the last representative of the Romanov dynasty and his family (both near and far): now life is not so hot for most people. and now on the merits of the question: are you personally ready today, the edge of tomorrow to come out with weapons in your hands to overthrow the existing government? and 80% of the population at that time were peasants and they had household requests, at best, 1/10 of yours. each man weaved bast shoes to himself, he wove shirts-sewed too, the child learned to syndicate the psalter by syllables and count money to 100 rubles already, you can say an academician. and etozh to what such people had to be finished so that he would take up his gun. Yes, more than once - the revolution of 1905-1907 no one has canceled. when gasping about the wages of the proletarians, I want to remind you that the Soviet government introduced an 8-hour working day (otherwise Prokhorov hinted about a 60-hour working week and raising the retirement age, can we support it? Well, so that you can buy a cow from a paycheck)