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Kiev is going to equip a buffer zone on the borders with Russia

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Nikolay Litvin, who heads the State Border Service of Ukraine, said that Kiev plans to introduce a reliable defense system on the eastern borders of the country. Lytvyn noted that this is not at all about the final closure of the border between Ukraine and Russia, but about creating a buffer zone. Words Litvin leads Interfax (spelling and punctuation preserved - note. "IN"):


In a difficult time for Ukraine, I want to state with complete responsibility the following, that Ukraine should immediately organize defense, and not guard the Ukrainian-Russian section of the state border with the involvement of all state resources, especially in the areas of Lugansk and Donetsk regions.


Kiev is going to equip a buffer zone on the borders with Russia


Lytvyn also states that in the near future, within the framework of the border service of Ukraine, a special unit of about 3 thousand people may appear, which will be engaged in the “force cover of the state border”.

For reference: the buffer zone is a special area that is created between different parts of the state or different states in order to move the parties to the conflict to a safe distance. One of the variants of the buffer zone is the demilitarized zone. This is the territory from which the troops were withdrawn, military installations and other objects of this type were liquidated. Examples of buffer (demilitarized) zones are the territories separating the so-called Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus from the Republic of Cyprus, parts of the border between Kosovo and Serbia.

The main components of the buffer zone can be attributed to the barrier system, means of observation, PCB (control and trace lanes), patrols.
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  1. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 28 May 2014 15: 32
    +13
    Angle ditch along the border? wassat
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 28 May 2014 15: 32
      +31
      The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it! fool
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 28 May 2014 15: 45
        +5
        Tires and PSami. am
        1. mad
          mad 28 May 2014 15: 55
          +32
          And why make a fuss on the Dnieper excellent border. To sink there pravosekov tyschenka - not crocodiles ?!
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 28 May 2014 16: 16
            +5
            Well, why should the river be soiled?
            1. Kuguar
              Kuguar 28 May 2014 17: 52
              +2
              crayfish feed
              1. Rostislav
                Rostislav 28 May 2014 19: 37
                +1
                Not worth it. Crayfish live only in clean water. Will leave if dropped into water
          2. domokl
            domokl 28 May 2014 16: 34
            +6
            Well now we’ll get the debt for gas)))) which means that the same plant shines for Ukrainians in June)))) Instead of gas))))
            It seems that the junta people do not think about anything except a mythical war with Russia ... I wonder how this buffer zone can stop the modern army if something happens? laughing
            1. Dmitry Toderes
              Dmitry Toderes 28 May 2014 16: 53
              +2
              Well stop for 5 minutes - To bite the wire with pliers. Or razed to the ground (fortifications) by artillery. And Ukraine will not have defense.
              1. KazaK Bo
                KazaK Bo 28 May 2014 17: 51
                +5
                Well stop for 5 minutes - To bite the wire with pliers. Or razed to the ground

                The question of troop deployment (if such a decision is made!) Will be decided differently! Now the bridgeheads for receiving combat units will capture landings (air emissions ... helicopter ... sea) ... and only then motorized gunners will be introduced ... And those border crossings ... which will be left ... will be enough for passage military columns ... So ditches ... wire fences are more for fighting grandmothers ... who go to gatherings to their friends in a neighboring village in the old fashioned way ...
                1. Mista_dj
                  Mista_dj 29 May 2014 10: 32
                  +1
                  I think grandmothers, as a force to overcome the "buffer zone" - will be more serious than any special forces.
                  Tell them that you can leave yourself the wire and poles - until the morning ...
                  In the morning - there will be nothing to overcome!
                  They will pull everything to the fences!
                  And there will be no sand at the PCB - it will come in handy for cats on toilets.
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              3. APASUS
                APASUS 28 May 2014 20: 32
                +2
                Quote: Dmitry Toderese
                Well stop for 5 minutes - To bite the wire with pliers. Or razed to the ground (fortifications) by artillery. And Ukraine will not have defense.

                What are 5 minutes?
                The land border between Ukraine and Russia, apart from the Crimea 1974,04 km, to equip such a perimeter should spend 3-4 years - this is in the presence of money, and to cover with a unit of 3 thousand people - in my opinion is ridiculous
            2. zanoza
              zanoza 28 May 2014 18: 59
              +2
              Quote: domokl

              It seems that the junta people do not think about anything except a mythical war with Russia ... I wonder how this buffer zone can stop the modern army if something happens? laughing

              Thinking for them Obama-mom and Merkel.
              And the money from the Ukrainian treasury will be assimilated by the firms of Poroshenko and his friends.
              In vain, the president became something.
              They decided to fence themselves with barbed wire and ditches. A concentration camp is being built for the people.
              Nothing personal, it's just such a business in Ukraine ...
            3. SAG
              SAG 28 May 2014 23: 44
              0
              Check out the teachings of the valiant Estonian army on defending against Russian tanks! There are all the answers !!!
            4. Cynic
              Cynic 29 May 2014 16: 20
              0
              Quote: domokl
              the junts do not think about anything at all, except for the mythical war with Russia ...

              Yes, this is another attempt to run into New Russia!
              Here on its territory they will try to create a demilitarized zone!
              And on this basis, demand the surrender of arms to the militias!
              And cry that they don’t surrender and demand weapons and help to pacify!
        2. Weniamin
          Weniamin 29 May 2014 06: 39
          0
          Tires, Dogs and Dogs.
      2. a52333
        a52333 28 May 2014 15: 48
        +22
        They make some plans. Default on the nose + maidan 3, and they all interpret some hallucinations.
        1. Roman1970
          Roman1970 28 May 2014 15: 58
          +6
          That's for sure! Soon there will be nothing to eat, and the brains are working in the wrong direction!
          1. k1995
            k1995 28 May 2014 16: 44
            +3
            They will go to eat in Europe
            1. SAG
              SAG 29 May 2014 00: 00
              0
              ... this is only the first hundred thousand who have time. Then such buffer zones, reinforced by machine gunners, will quickly begin to emerge near the western borders of the open!
            2. 76rtbr
              76rtbr 29 May 2014 03: 07
              0
              three times a day and compote for an afternoon snack !!!
        2. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 28 May 2014 16: 04
          +2
          Acid distributed free on the Maidan does not let go.
          1. sssss018
            sssss018 28 May 2014 16: 09
            +3
            Yes, on the Maidan is just the beginning, soon the fun will begin there!
        3. avg
          avg 28 May 2014 16: 13
          +5
          Therefore, everyone is in a hurry, they will not have time to fear that they will not have a drink. And now it’s good, today I owed about the construction of the fortified area, and tomorrow you are reporting about its complete destruction by the militias or about the abduction by the Chechens. And everyone is happy.
        4. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 28 May 2014 16: 35
          +2
          Quote: a52333
          on the nose + maidan 3, and they all interpret some hallucinations.
          yes ... dill turns out to be clogged grass!
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      3. volot-voin
        volot-voin 28 May 2014 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: alex-s
        The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it!

        Crocodiles will die of hunger there, sorry for the animals, Ukroeconomy will not pull them. Yes, and the militia will fill the moat, with the hands of prisoners)
        In truth, if Poroshenko had the mind, at least he tried to agree, it would be better to recognize federalization than a civil war with an unknown outcome, a load on a frail economy and a bunch of victims.
        1. mamont5
          mamont5 28 May 2014 16: 05
          +2
          Quote: volot-voin
          In truth, if Poroshenko had the mind, at least he tried to agree, it would be better to recognize federalization than a civil war with an unknown outcome, a load on a frail economy and a bunch of victims.


          Yes, he could have gone, but the owners do not allow it.
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      5. alexng
        alexng 28 May 2014 15: 50
        +3
        Quote: alex-s
        The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it!


        And they will divorce UKROkodil in it!
      6. from punk
        from punk 28 May 2014 15: 55
        +11
        Quote: alex-s
        The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it!

        all closed on all sides from Russia themselves and Europe from them
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 28 May 2014 16: 16
          +1
          Quote: punk
          all closed on all sides from Russia themselves and Europe from them

          In this color, clothes will not be 100% allowed.
      7. armageddon
        armageddon 28 May 2014 15: 55
        +1
        Hmm ... Not This BLUE ... DREAMS !!!
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      9. Sterlya
        Sterlya 28 May 2014 16: 39
        +1
        Quote: alex-s
        The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it! fool

        No army can overcome such an obstacle laughing And the sky will be covered by the "Heavenly Hundred" led by Bilym ...
        1. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes 28 May 2014 17: 00
          +4
          "And the sky will be covered by the" Heavenly Hundred "headed by Bilym."

          They will not be able to cover the sky for the reason that they were not allowed to go there - a hundred burn in hell in a frying pan - I am sure of this. No revolutionaries go to Paradise because the first revolutionary was called Lucifer.

          Well, if in essence: even the German bunkers didn’t stop the Russian army, where are the fences ...
      10. WKS
        WKS 28 May 2014 18: 30
        0
        Quote: alex-s
        The ditch will fill with water and crocodiles will make it!

        Launch there the last submarine.
    2. MOISEY
      MOISEY 28 May 2014 15: 33
      +8
      Not buffer zones need to be built, but the economy restored.
      1. smart75
        smart75 28 May 2014 15: 37
        +3
        But how?! Economic recovery is not possible in a civil war.
        First, someone must win, and then deal with recovery.
      2. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 28 May 2014 15: 38
        +8
        There is no one to restore it.
        In power are those who know how to steal, destroy, jump and move speeches that are relevant only at the reception of Doctors of psychiatrists ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 16: 16
          +3
          Quote: Oleg Sobol
          Doctors psychiatrists ..

          I think in this case even psychiatric medicine is powerless. Crying from the executioner will be much more relevant. Although in reality they will "cry" at the other wall. In the promised land. Whose citizens they are by default. The world is so arranged that the most vile and vile ones escape from justice, often because of the people's hope for heavenly judgment. And in vain, you need to punish in this life.
      3. Bodrov
        Bodrov 28 May 2014 15: 41
        +1
        Quote: MOISEY
        Not buffer zones need to be built, but the economy restored.

        You will have to take a couple more loans to this buffer zone to delay your pension and introduce a security tax.
        Well, donations will be welcome ...
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 46
        +7
        Quote: MOISEY
        Not buffer zones need to be built, but the economy restored.

        He’s the Chocolate Bunny, he’s a complete bastard
        He is mean-spirited.
        Who will deal with the economy, what are you talking about ???
      5. SS68SS
        SS68SS 28 May 2014 17: 40
        0
        ... It is not necessary to build buffer zones, but to restore the economy ....

        Clever words and thoughts. Only here is the smart problem in Ukraine today. Some are wacky.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 May 2014 15: 35
      +27
      Southeast will be part of Russia. The war will be on July 12 (Peter and Paul) and Russia will win!

      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 15: 42
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        The war will be July 12

        Why 12?
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        2. matross
          matross 28 May 2014 16: 17
          +5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Why 12?

          One grandmother said. wink
          No, 12 is impossible - the World Cup starts. This is how our team will fly out of the championship - you can start on the emotions of those who are not cool! wassat
          1. Buran
            Buran 28 May 2014 16: 53
            +4
            Then warn our players that the longer they play, the farther from the front line. This is how they will tear the anus ...
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 28 May 2014 16: 58
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Sith Lord
          The war will be July 12

          Why 12?

          Peter and Paul July 12 according to the Orthodox calendar.
      2. vsoltan
        vsoltan 28 May 2014 15: 45
        +2
        Where did such accurate information come from, dear?
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 50
        +4
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Southeast will be part of Russia. The war will be on July 12 (Peter and Paul) and Russia will win!

        And what does Odessa not see? And Kharkov for which we shed so much blood? What about Kiev? Not an old man, a little considered hi
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 28 May 2014 16: 58
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what does Odessa not see? And Kharkov for which we shed so much blood? What about Kiev? Not an old man, a little considered hi

          And Odessa and Kharkov are the South-East.
      4. serviceman
        serviceman 28 May 2014 17: 32
        +6
        By nature, I am a skeptic when it comes to such things and prediction.
        But I won’t deny that in my life I talked to people like this grandmother.
        In such people there is an inexplicable power, they never get angry, treat others with patience and generosity, like loving parents who raise their child. They probably know something that we simply don’t understand, who have grown up in the modern world of the Internet and technology ... request
        PS Someone will say nonsense, I do not believe it! I myself would say so, if not for the case. At the age of 3 he experienced a strong fright and began to stutter. Parents took me to a grandmother-witch, who told my mother that stuttering can be fixed and in return she only needs a new scarf, covering her head, which my mother must sew with her own hands.
        After several days of visits, after the scarf was sewn and given to the old woman, the stuttering passed. good
      5. kombat58
        kombat58 28 May 2014 22: 44
        0
        God's will! Voice of the people!
        And we will wait. Not long left.
    4. Sid.74
      Sid.74 28 May 2014 15: 35
      +6
      MFA: Russia offers Ukraine to coordinate the delivery of our humanitarian aid to SEI

      MESSAGE FOR MEDIA

      About a note by the Russian Foreign Ministry regarding the direction of humanitarian assistance to the population of the eastern regions of Ukraine


      On May 28, the Russian Foreign Ministry sent a note to the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in which the attention of the Ukrainian side was drawn to the fact that the Russian side received urgent appeals from citizens and organizations located in the conflict zone in the eastern regions of Ukraine, where as a result of military action there were human casualties and numerous victims with a request for urgent humanitarian assistance, especially with medicines and medications.

      It was emphasized that the Russian side is ready to provide the necessary assistance to the population in these regions, and in this regard, the Ukrainian side was invited to take the necessary measures to ensure the urgent delivery of Russian humanitarian aid to the conflict-affected regions.

      The specific routes and conditions for the transportation of such humanitarian aid, the note says, could be agreed on a routine basis through the relevant Russian and Ukrainian departments.

      Given the emergency nature of the situation, the Russian side is counting on the most prompt response of the Ukrainian side to this appeal.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 28 May 2014 15: 43
        +7
        Quote: Sid.74
        MFA: Russia offers Ukraine to coordinate the delivery of our humanitarian aid to SEI

        The ability to deliver humanitarian aid must be sought. In any case, it is now important to provide assistance to physicians in the republics, given the number of wounded. Plus food, and a lot of what is needed now, not for military purposes ...
    5. nikcris
      nikcris 28 May 2014 15: 37
      +5
      The Chinese will be called. On the EU grandmothers to build the Great Ukrov wall.
      1. yur
        yur 28 May 2014 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: nikcris
        The Chinese will be called. On the EU grandmothers to build the Great Ukrov wall.
        Sichassss! Well then it is necessary to share! stop
    6. Akvadra
      Akvadra 28 May 2014 15: 41
      +13
      And they don’t realize, the narrow-minded, that they themselves have long served as a buffer zone. And soon they will also become a strict regime zone.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 28 May 2014 15: 50
        +5
        And they don’t realize, the narrow-minded, that they themselves have long served as a buffer zone. And soon they will also become a strict regime zone .....
        .... A pad like "Tampex" with wings will become ...
    7. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 43
      +4
      The buffer zone will run along the border of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of the Russian Federation winked
      Would you like to argue?
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 28 May 2014 15: 52
        +1
        Is.
        Although I would prefer your point of view.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 May 2014 15: 53
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Would you like to argue?

        Нет!
        Your avatar, Alexander, is more than convincing ... laughing
      3. Sid.74
        Sid.74 28 May 2014 15: 54
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Would you like to argue?

        Alexander, but there is !!! hi Odessa region, why forget? winked

        In Odessa, set fire to the headquarters of "Freedom", in which there were two people

        Odessa did not forgive the 2nd of May. The echo of Odessa Khatyn continues to roll out across Ukraine. On the night of May 28, 2014, unknown persons tried to burn down the headquarters of the Odessa regional organization of the Nazi party "Svoboda". The party press service reports.

        "At 2:30 am, the attackers began to fill the room with gasoline through the roof windows, and then set it on fire," according to Svoboda.

        At that time, there were two Svobodovites in the building - assistant consultants to the People’s Deputy, an authorized representative of the Nazi parliamentary faction in the Odessa region, Pavel Kirilenko.

        "By the arrival of the firefighters, the flames destroyed office equipment, furniture and documents," the report says.

        The Nazis complained that employees of the Portofrankovsky police department tried to reduce the cause of the arson to a fire for domestic reasons, while firefighters immediately established that the cause of the fire was deliberate arson.

        Recall that the night before the election of 26 in May in Ilyichevsk, unidentified persons burned down a building that housed the local headquarters of the same Nazi organization.
        Before this, on May 19 in Belgorod-Dniester, unidentified persons attacked the premises of a local party cell. The Avengers smashed the sign, cut off the banner and stoned the room.
      4. Dym71
        Dym71 28 May 2014 15: 55
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The buffer zone will run along the border of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of the Russian Federation winked
        Would you like to argue?


        There are, it would be necessary to add areas to your list.
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 28 May 2014 16: 08
          +3
          Quote: Dym71
          The buffer zone will run along the border of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of the Russian Federation; winked
          Would you like to argue?


          There are, it would be necessary to add areas to your list.

          I would like a united Ukraine under the rule of the militia of New Russia, preferably as part of the Russian Federation. I really hope that Strelkov will be in Kiev as a winner, as promised. Not a good old capital to leave enemies for reproach.
      5. ZU-23
        ZU-23 28 May 2014 15: 55
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The buffer zone will run along the border of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of the Russian Federation. Would you like to bet?

        No, of course, it remains to hold the fists for the militias, so that they would not be allowed to the fascists to make this strip, otherwise it will be the environment.
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      7. figter
        figter 28 May 2014 16: 17
        +1
        So, even the Ukrainian adversaries suggest that until the LPR and DPR "unbuffered" the border with Russia from their side, they will not see luck. In modern warfare, at the head of the entire line of communication. Holding them is sometimes more important than holding the leading edge.
    8. from punk
      from punk 28 May 2014 15: 46
      +3
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Angle ditch along the border?

      well, how tired I am of them. well, it’s not even funny anymore. well, somebody stop their torment
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    10. alexng
      alexng 28 May 2014 15: 48
      +1
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Angle ditch along the border?


      They will deepen and dig a few more rows to the westernmost border and there will be not Ukraine, but a solid UKR-nic.
    11. bulvas
      bulvas 28 May 2014 15: 49
      +2
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Angle ditch along the border? wassat


      No, a more serious cut in loans is planned.

      Head of the State Border Service of Ukraine Mykola Lytvyn


      probably already created more than one company for "arranging the border"
    12. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 May 2014 15: 52
      +3
      Protests of reservists in Poltava


      1. armageddon
        armageddon 28 May 2014 16: 05
        +2
        Ride VOLUNTEERS Pancake ... MEET DECENTLY !!!
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      3. tank64rus
        tank64rus 28 May 2014 16: 46
        +3
        And they do not think that they want to make "heroes" of them posthumously, in order to once again request money, weapons and mercenaries from the Washington DCC. Oh, you army beef. Well, if they are so eager to kill for American interests in the extraction of natural resources of Ukraine and become "heroes" posthumously forward.
      4. tank64rus
        tank64rus 28 May 2014 16: 46
        0
        And they do not think that they want to make "heroes" of them posthumously, in order to once again request money, weapons and mercenaries from the Washington DCC. Oh, you army beef. Well, if they are so eager to kill for American interests in the extraction of natural resources of Ukraine and become "heroes" posthumously forward.
      5. SAG
        SAG 29 May 2014 00: 17
        0
        to slaughter as they smoke ...
    13. Slon1978
      Slon1978 28 May 2014 16: 10
      +7
      Nothing really funny here. In general, with all the feelings experienced for Bandera scum, we must admit that they can act quite effectively, although they are cruel and react quite quickly. I’ll give examples - 1) the militia at the Donetsk airport clearly expected to be stormed by infantry, and they would crush dill, hence the gas station on the roof and sniper weapons, and dill did not take into account the material side and plundered the new airport from the air, but at the same time putting a bunch of people 2) the shooting of Slavyansk - you see what happens - they shoot a little so that there are no mass casualties, but obviously purposefully in residential neighborhoods - to instill terror in civilians and encourage them to leave the city 3) the buffer zone is not a joke and will be effective. Given that breakthroughs across the border take place on cars, as the terrain on the border is predominantly flat, interspersed with forests and in many places the border can be passed simply along the field on the Kamaz drive, then dill in the wave can create mobile forces in the depths of its territory in the probable directions of the transition. Using then the border guards only as informers about the breakthrough, they will have time to ambush the convoy route and sometimes for certain these convoys will enter these barriers. Although it’s completely impossible to completely block the border, I don’t think it’s necessary to explain the consequences of working even with a pair of RMBs and the branch of machine-gunners on people-packed cars.
      1. INFOLegioner
        INFOLegioner 28 May 2014 17: 30
        +4
        And that is why it is ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT to replace ALL border guards with YOURSELF! AND WHAT SOON, BETTER. If they do not understand this, or understand but cannot do it in New Russia, then all efforts and struggle are in vain. The borders with Russia are the beginning and the end of everything.
      2. tank64rus
        tank64rus 28 May 2014 17: 36
        +2
        At the airport, there is, of course, an obvious miscalculation by the command. But this is a civil war. I am not making excuses for the command, but before that, basically, hostilities consisted of capturing buildings with or without firefight. There have never been such attacks by ground attack aircraft. Now the command needs to draw the right conclusions from this. In general, the formation of the army is underway there. in the civil war, she grows out of the detachments and the faster he goes through the stage of "partisanship", the more efficient it will be Colonel Strelkov, having shot two marauders, showed that he understands these processes and does everything to manage them. As for the airport, there you can try a combination of "nomadic" mortars made of greenery or buildings with MANPADS and anti-aircraft machine guns, the second try to hammer the radio communication channels of pilots with aircraft controllers, since the frequencies are still our Soviet ones, in extreme cases, enter into negotiations and push morally, duplicate false signals target designation with missiles, organize a hunt for aircraft controllers. Well, clean up the evacuation and supply routes, etc. Well, about crossing the border, before crossing the border, you need to send a reconnaissance group with the task of detecting and suppressing reconnaissance patrols and, of course, radio interception.
      3. yur
        yur 28 May 2014 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Slon1978
        they will have time to ambush the convoy route, and sometimes for certain these columns will enter these barriers.
        That's right, but only if I smuggled fat into Ukraine. laughing But the modern army has a very small difference from the usual smuggler-intelligence (space, air, reconnaissance groups, the same informants, after all). So not everything is so tragic. angry
    14. Slon1978
      Slon1978 28 May 2014 16: 10
      0
      Nothing really funny here. In general, with all the feelings experienced for Bandera scum, we must admit that they can act quite effectively, although they are cruel and react quite quickly. I’ll give examples - 1) the militia at the Donetsk airport clearly expected to be stormed by infantry, and they would crush dill, hence the gas station on the roof and sniper weapons, and dill did not take into account the material side and plundered the new airport from the air, but at the same time putting a bunch of people 2) the shooting of Slavyansk - you see what happens - they shoot a little so that there are no mass casualties, but obviously purposefully in residential neighborhoods - to instill terror in civilians and encourage them to leave the city 3) the buffer zone is not a joke and will be effective. Given that breakthroughs across the border take place on cars, as the terrain on the border is predominantly flat, interspersed with forests and in many places the border can be passed simply along the field on the Kamaz drive, then dill in the wave can create mobile forces in the depths of its territory in the probable directions of the transition. Using then the border guards only as informers about the breakthrough, they will have time to ambush the convoy route and sometimes for certain these convoys will enter these barriers. Although it’s completely impossible to completely block the border, I don’t think it’s necessary to explain the consequences of working even with a pair of RMBs and the branch of machine-gunners on people-packed cars.
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 28 May 2014 15: 32
    +11
    Another step towards the alienation of two fraternal peoples.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 28 May 2014 15: 37
      +9
      Quote: Apollon
      Another step towards the alienation of two fraternal peoples.

      The paradox of post-Soviet history: peoples - fraternal, states - or hostile, or in a state of military neutrality ...
      hi
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 28 May 2014 15: 48
        +5
        Why? This is a trend. Bulgarians in two MB fought against Russia. And having gained independence from the hands of Russia, they rushed to Yugoslavia. What about Poland?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 15: 37
      +9
      Sorry, you're right, Azir. America will win in this confrontation anyway, because in any situation in Ukraine, we will get a hostile, pro-American state on its border. Now there is a war for the size of this state. hi
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Another step towards the alienation of two fraternal peoples.

      Apollo is a step on the part of the United States and it will not work.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 16: 07
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is a step from the United States and it will not work.

        Hi Sanya. hi This will not work only in the DPR and Lugansk Republic. In the Sumy and Kharkov regions it may well ride. Pendos will pay for such tricks of the junta, it’s much cheaper to fight with Ukrainians with Russia.
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 28 May 2014 16: 29
        +4
        What does it mean not to ride? ”Apollo, after all, among the brothers meant the Zapadents probably, who equip the borders.

        I personally have brothers in the militia, and the rest were not and will not be.
  3. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 28 May 2014 15: 32
    +18
    Yeah, and that's how it will look ...
    1. Bodrov
      Bodrov 28 May 2014 15: 43
      +3
      I forgot to put the catapult)))
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 May 2014 16: 23
      +2
      It's five!!! good
    3. Stanislas
      Stanislas 28 May 2014 18: 29
      +1
      Fighting crocodiles ... Tin!
  4. nikcris
    nikcris 28 May 2014 15: 32
    +2
    what Maginot line - drawings on Wikipedia.
    PS Atas, what ... recourse
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 52
      +4
      Quote: nikcris
      Maginot Line

      Remind me how much the Germans took her for?
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 28 May 2014 16: 05
        +1
        Duck and I about it. Not funny ever ...
      2. burn78
        burn78 28 May 2014 16: 07
        +2
        They didn’t take it; They went around and that’s it.
        1. anip
          anip 28 May 2014 19: 51
          0
          Quote: burn78
          They didn’t take it; They went around and that’s it.

          Actually, the Germans broke through it in several places. Briefly here: http://www.bibliotekar.ru/antisuvorov/5.htm
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 28 May 2014 15: 33
    +5
    Well, here begins the attempt to isolate Novorossia from the Russian border.

    Dangerous business ... New Russia needs to find ways to counteract this.
    1. zzz
      zzz 28 May 2014 15: 37
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Dangerous business ... New Russia needs to find ways to counteract this.


      Well, you don’t have to worry about it. Today they’ll deliver it, tomorrow they’ll steal it. People need to rebuild something anew.
      1. zzz
        zzz 28 May 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Larisa Gydzenko (Mymrikova)
        AFTER READING THIS MESSAGE ON THE MARIUPOL SITE 0629 THE QUESTION ARises: THEY REALLY CONSIDER THAT THIS WILL SAVE US ????
        Judging by the basement in our house, you don’t deliver the bench and stool .................................... .....................

        !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        !!!!!!!

        In Mariupol, housing enterprises, OSMD, ZhSK were instructed to inspect residential buildings that are on the balance sheet and tidy up the basements (remove garbage, eliminate leaks, etc.).

        “In the city, a survey of the basement of multi-storey buildings was conducted, the capacity of people in them was clarified. Almost every basement will be able to accommodate residents, ”says 0629 Head of the Department of Civil Security and Public Protection Sergei Litvinenko.

        As noted in the Department of Civil Security, in the basement there is air access.

        But the shops, and other necessary furniture, in the "bomb shelters" will be installed as necessary.
  6. lukke
    lukke 28 May 2014 15: 33
    +2
    and with the settlements through which the border passes, what will they do?
  7. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 May 2014 15: 33
    +5
    Yeah, then dig a ditch, pour water ...
    Kiev itself will soon become the BUFFER ZONE.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 28 May 2014 15: 45
      +2
      Will not, madhouse, it seems, has long been brewed.
      PS Toshnilovka is some kind: never before Ukrainians did not distance itself from Russians ...
      PS2 It would be better if all this had a dream in a delusional dream.
  8. svp67
    svp67 28 May 2014 15: 33
    +7
    Nikolay Litvin, who heads the State Border Service of Ukraine, said that Kiev plans to introduce a reliable defense system on the eastern borders of the country. Lytvyn noted that this is not at all about the final closure of the border between Ukraine and Russia, but about creating a buffer zone.
    the buffer zone will include the entire territory of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions ...
    And how could it be if the people rose ..
  9. zzz
    zzz 28 May 2014 15: 34
    +1
    Tortured to recover.
  10. volot-voin
    volot-voin 28 May 2014 15: 34
    +4
    The buffer zone was formed without the participation of Kiev - Novorossia.
    Quote: DanSabaka
    Angle ditch along the border?

    I think they will not be allowed to deepen the ditch. In Lugansk, part of the border is already under the control of militias.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 53
      +1
      Quote: volot-voin
      The buffer zone was formed without the participation of Kiev - Novorossia.

      And I about it + drinks But this is only the beginning.
  11. fox21h
    fox21h 28 May 2014 15: 35
    +2
    When New Russia ends with the invaders, I think this issue will be decided by itself
  12. olf_1959
    olf_1959 28 May 2014 15: 35
    +6
    Bastards, in four months you’ll start hopak dancing without gas, without stopping. So beat the soles better.
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 28 May 2014 15: 57
      +1
      .... I would really like to ... And then some kind of strange fuss is going around this gas ....
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 28 May 2014 16: 01
        +3
        Quote: aleks 62
        ... I would really like ... And then some kind of strange fuss is going around this gas ....


        I cried, this is a sanction from Japan !!! crying

        A group of Japanese deputies led by Naokazu Takemoto are preparing to submit to the Prime Minister Shinzo Abe a gas pipeline project between Sakhalin and Japan, Takemoto said in an interview with Bloomberg.

        According to estimates by the initiative group “For the Promotion of the Gas Pipeline between Japan and Russia,” which was created in May, the project will cost 600 billion yen (about 6 billion dollars) and can be implemented in five years. A gas pipeline 1350 long stretches from the southern tip of Sakhalin along the ocean floor to the Japanese island of Hokkaido, and then through the northern regions of Honshu to the city of Hitachi, Ibaraki Prefecture, 150 kilometers from Tokyo.
  13. nizrum
    nizrum 28 May 2014 15: 36
    +3
    Well, yes ... a buffer zone without the Ukrainian military ... from the eastern border of Ukraine to the Dnieper ....
  14. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 28 May 2014 15: 37
    +3
    There are 2 options for the "buffer zone": 1. Due to the deep rear of the Russian Federation. 2. Due to the deep rear of Dill. The second option in the borders of the LPR, DPR (for now).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 15: 54
      +1
      Quote: chelovektapok
      1. Due to the deep rear of the Russian Federation.

      Only for this minus I’ll put that thoughts would not be.
  15. andj61
    andj61 28 May 2014 15: 37
    +4
    Not an article, but a replica of some kind. N. Litvin, brother of the former speaker of the Ukrainian Supreme Council, said a certain phrase, which was published in the form of an opinion. And whose opinion is this. Tomorrow Litvin himself will say that he was misplaced.
    I understand that this can be laid out as a link during the discussion, but as a separate topic ... Weak!
  16. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 28 May 2014 15: 39
    +3
    A list of events was received from Pindostana. Work out the crumbs.
  17. bubalik
    bubalik 28 May 2014 15: 40
    +5
    Lytvyn also states that in the near future, within the framework of the border service of Ukraine, a special unit of about 3 thousand people may appear, which will be engaged in the “force cover of the state border”.


    ,,, but where do they get so many "goldaten"? border guards, police, armed forces, national guards, all sorts of battalions of feudal lords ,,, request

    ,,, Censor now visited, the topic "The conscription for urgent military service has started in Kiev", so no one is eager to serve, urged on comments. laughing

    kolxoz

    LLC now military commissars will chop money, along with the commissars. Well, who will be there to otmazyvatsya from the army and for how much, otherwise they will send them to war, although most likely the generals will build summer cottages.
    28.05.2014 11:45

    Opanas Ukrainets

    So. Tse koruptsіya.


    kolxoz

    Shanovnyy pan! Yes, there is corruption.

    28.05.2014 11:52

    Makkssi
    And what - I paid. Even if young people are paying now, that’s fair.
    28.05.2014 11:58
    Cyril K
    What does it mean - right? And then Maidan was against what? Again on the same rake?


    Makkssi

    .. I would generally introduce the official size of the payoff from the service (as in some countries). Then the money would go to the budget. By the way, women should also be drafted into the army (in Israel they are drafted - are they dumber than us?). And then we are shouting about the oppression of women in Ukraine, but in fact, for some reason, only men should pay their "debt to the motherland".


    ,, in such a patriotic spirit ,,,
  18. Bort radist
    Bort radist 28 May 2014 15: 41
    +5
    They need to think about how to grow bread and beetroot, and they have buffers in their heads ....... The brains were not only washed but also squeezed out.
    1. MG42
      MG42 28 May 2014 15: 48
      +7
      Yes, you really do not know the mood in Ukraine, what kind of gum?
      The country has become on a military footing, the consequences of the Maidan, the information war and the ATO.
      Failures in the economy are offset by multi-billion dollar loans, which are already coming in tranches from the IMF and other entities.
      Russia is the number one enemy in all the media outlets.
      The West is also interested in this buffer zone.
      The application for NATO membership in Ukraine is no longer illusory, and the pro-Ukrainian lokhtorat supports with two hands.
      1. defend
        defend 28 May 2014 15: 57
        +3
        Yes, you really do not know the mood in Ukraine, what kind of gum?
        The country has become on a military footing, the consequences of the Maidan, the information war and the ATO.
        Failures in the economy are offset by multi-billion dollar loans, which are already coming in tranches from the IMF and other entities.
        Russia is the number one enemy in all the media outlets.
        The West is also interested in this buffer zone.

        In case of war, this buffer zone will not save Europe bully The question is how long will the IMF sponsor? Ukraine itself will not be able to exist for a long time, the West will not help all the time either, they are not fools to constantly waste money
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 May 2014 15: 59
        +11
        Quote: MG42
        The country became on a war footing, the consequences of the Maidan and the information war.
        Failures in the economy are offset by multi-billion dollar loans, which are already coming in tranches from the IMF and other entities.

        You will have to repay someday debts. Live money. Not later than after 7 months in January 2015, the first payment should be made.
        And it seems that nobody cares in Kiev today ...
        The conclusion suggests itself: either the Ruin is not going to pay the debts even of the IMF, or in January this country will NOT be on the geopolitical map fellow
        1. MG42
          MG42 28 May 2014 16: 13
          +5
          Hi Ilyich! news of the hour >>

          Poroshenko appealed to the United States for direct military assistance

          Ukraine needs direct military assistance from the United States, such as Lend-Lease during the Second World War. This was stated by the leading candidate in the presidential election of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, reports The Washington Post.
          "At the moment we need a new security treaty, the same as the Lend-Lease (the Lend-Lease program during World War II assumed that the United States could provide its allies with weapons, equipment, ammunition free of charge, and after the end of hostilities they took they back, or sold for the civilian needs of the allies. - Gordonua.com). We must cooperate on military-technical and advisory assistance. We are ready to fight for independence, and we must strengthen the armed forces, "- said the politician.
          Poroshenko, paraphrasing the words of US President Franklin Roosevelt, said that "when your neighbor's house is on fire, you must lend him your garden hose."
          According to the non-factional deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, direct military assistance can be much more effective than economic sanctions against Russia.
          "If a direct military aggression against Ukraine begins, no sanctions will help," the politician said.


          http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jackson-diehl-ukrainian-president-elect-w
          ants-direct-us-military-aid/2014/05/27/20c0be88-e567-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_stor
          y.html
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 28 May 2014 16: 23
            +6
            Quote: MG42
            Hi Ilyich! news of the hour >>

            Hello, Sergey!
            hi
            In Kiev, with brains it’s getting worse and worse - A parasite-chocolate in her inadequate woman with a scythe and Durchinov put together, put a belt in his belt. What will come next is hard to imagine ...
            For a type of land lease, a minimum type of guarantee is required ... fellow
            But if the Fashington "politicians" call the Kiev executioner a politician .... fool
            1. MG42
              MG42 28 May 2014 16: 29
              +4
              Petrukh was appointed President of Ukraine in Brussels, with the approval of his candidacy in Fashington, now we need to work out. That is why the Klitschko + Poroshenko alliance turned out, he became the mayor of Kiev, the party was played. We look forward to the next move with NATO just around the corner.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 28 May 2014 16: 41
                +3
                Quote: MG42
                We look forward to the next move with NATO just around the corner.

                Here, the allies should remember the initial course of geography - where is Matrasia, and where is Europe and Ruin, to whom more cucumbers will fly in case of a heated conflict.
  19. combat66
    combat66 28 May 2014 15: 44
    +2
    Dig a moat, let the submarine go. They want a lot, but they will get, as usual - they will bite their special power unit into another opu. laughing
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 28 May 2014 15: 44
    +2
    The DNI structures have been created, but what about the border troops is interesting, because they write that they impede the transport of weapons for the militia
  21. northern
    northern 28 May 2014 15: 45
    +3
    Knowing the integrity of Ukrainian customs, they would immediately write a price tag per meter of border.
  22. aleks 62
    aleks 62 28 May 2014 15: 46
    +3
    .... And will Ukrainians survive until autumn within the framework of their present borders ???? Napoleonic plans ...
  23. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 28 May 2014 15: 47
    +2
    The Zbruch border will suit us. bully
  24. Arh
    Arh 28 May 2014 15: 48
    +2
    Someday, people of Ukraine will understand with the passage of time in what ambush they led !!!
  25. HAM
    HAM 28 May 2014 15: 49
    +1
    In Kiev, money is not pecking, the first task is to isolate oneself from the east, and the population, and so will not rest, the one that did not manage to escape!
  26. CadetXXX
    CadetXXX 28 May 2014 15: 50
    +3
    By what means is Ukraine going to live? Unclear. The military-industrial complex does not work for them, and in principle, almost all industries do not work. Will live in debt and on handouts from Europe and America ??? So they will not feed for long, Europe itself has no money. Strange people. It would be better to think about how to restore everything and give jobs. Or will the country now be fed by their chocolate "karol"))? wassat
  27. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 May 2014 15: 51
    +4
    Just ... The most epic movie! It's worth a look, just cook Validol or Valerian.
    1. defend
      defend 28 May 2014 16: 10
      +3
      Some kind of dick, even if theoretically Ukraine after that ceases to exist as a state
    2. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 28 May 2014 16: 11
      +2
      Yes, the guys are tearing the hood in black ...
    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 May 2014 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Just ... The most epic movie! It's worth a look, just cook Validol or Valerian.

      By the way, about radioactive ashes, this was Solovyov talking about America, the creators of the video turned everything upside down, well, this is their work, the owner is busy.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 May 2014 16: 46
        +2
        And then ... but look what kind of syllable, what cool and fierce fighters they are .... I really did not see the connection between the nuclear power plant and the radioactive ash, but I was afraid. All 3 minutes 11 seconds.
    4. Deniska
      Deniska 28 May 2014 16: 55
      0
      Well, of course, they will be able to carry radioactive waste in their pockets, but then problems with reproduction will arise)))

      P.C. I think from the thought of dealing with nuclear waste a lot of patriotism will be added.
    5. tank64rus
      tank64rus 28 May 2014 17: 54
      +4
      I didn’t forget the creature while you were sitting in the mother’s mink; I led people to the 4th block to death for Ukraine. They even decided to threaten, play with your nuclear power plants and American patrons before the new Chernobyl Russia will not come. We have already paid 50 thousand lives for this. Then you with a punitive operation will be a war with radioactive contamination of the area.
    6. tank64rus
      tank64rus 28 May 2014 17: 54
      0
      I didn’t forget the creature while you were sitting in the mother’s mink; I led people to the 4th block to death for Ukraine. They even decided to threaten, play with your nuclear power plants and American patrons before the new Chernobyl Russia will not come. We have already paid 50 thousand lives for this. Then you with a punitive operation will be a war with radioactive contamination of the area.
  28. defend
    defend 28 May 2014 15: 52
    +2
    Quote: Arh
    Someday, people of Ukraine will understand with the passage of time in what ambush they led !!!

    Yes, I would like it to be understood earlier how much garbage can suffer, it is necessary to work, and not to build barricades! When a person plows normally, then there are no forces for bad thoughts
  29. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 28 May 2014 15: 52
    +1
    Kiev is going to equip a buffer zone on the borders with Russia
    And this buffer zone is called - Novorossia. hi
  30. mackonya
    mackonya 28 May 2014 15: 57
    +1
    Well, the Ukrainian authorities have a lot of money, so you can organize and maintain any additional. border troops.
  31. BOB044
    BOB044 28 May 2014 15: 58
    +2
    And how will the Ukrainians from Russia deliver to themselves across the border? There is no money in the state, but it is the border. Winter, soon the people will warm themselves with firewood. The farther the more stupid and stupid.
  32. tolancop
    tolancop 28 May 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Well, how about these hmm ... people treat? Frivolous people. Oblomovs .. An empty place, and they make up a serious country. The budget is empty, but there are a lot of Napoleonic plans ... You need to build such a thing and keep a bunch of dough ... and construction for a couple of years at least ...
  33. tnship2
    tnship2 28 May 2014 16: 01
    +1
    the buffer zone means buffering on one side. There is no longer a buffer on both sides. They give radishes! I did not understand. Will it be a narrow buffer between Donbass and Russia? And Kiev Gnu with?
  34. defend
    defend 28 May 2014 16: 04
    +2
    Quote: BOB044
    And how will the Ukrainians from Russia deliver to themselves across the border? There is no money in the state, but it is the border. Winter, soon the people will warm themselves with firewood. The farther the more stupid and stupid.

    As Putin said let piz ... t in the sense of going for firewood, to Siberia wassat
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 28 May 2014 16: 26
      +1
      Nakoy so far? Firewood and in Saratov in bulk. Oak in logs 4,5 pieces to the eyeballs - ZIL.
    2. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 28 May 2014 23: 46
      0
      Deja vu ... Pavel Korchagin (read Nikolai Ostrovsky) has already built a narrow gauge railway for transporting firewood to freezing Kiev. Almost 100 years later, history can repeat itself ...
  35. Lyton
    Lyton 28 May 2014 16: 08
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: nikcris
    Maginot Line

    Remind me how much the Germans took her for?

    They did not take her, they went around her.
  36. Stinger
    Stinger 28 May 2014 16: 08
    +3
    Pay for gas and sleep peacefully!
  37. 1536
    1536 28 May 2014 16: 09
    +7
    Will these people ever work?
  38. CadetXXX
    CadetXXX 28 May 2014 16: 12
    +1
    Quote: 1536
    Will these people ever work?

    +100500, it's time to start already
  39. Dmitro_d
    Dmitro_d 28 May 2014 16: 12
    +1
    where do the forces and means come from? Are they all sick?
  40. Palych9999
    Palych9999 28 May 2014 16: 13
    +3
    We ourselves need to be FENCED off from OkrAina, completely: economically, territorially, transport, gas, etc.
    According to the full program.
    It will be better for EVERYONE.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 28 May 2014 16: 57
      +1
      Yeah, and 3 million "skilled" Ukrainian workers from Russia to expel. Let the paving stones be poured and stored for the Maidan 3.
  41. Giant thought
    Giant thought 28 May 2014 16: 16
    +1
    And along these strips will go Ukrainian border guards with chupacabra on a leash.
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  43. nicollider
    nicollider 28 May 2014 16: 23
    +2
    here is the class. in the country there is a moat, 2 presidents, now they will make a buffer zone, heal like in a fairy tale.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 28 May 2014 16: 59
      0
      Another visa entry. So that "yaks" do not climb their lives do not spoil. It is funny and sad at the same time.
  44. Klibanophoros
    Klibanophoros 28 May 2014 16: 35
    +4
    Oh, these storytellers ... When they will arrange PCBs in the middle of settlements, I will see how ukrovoeni will be thrown out of these villages with obscenities.
  45. novel68rus
    novel68rus 28 May 2014 16: 42
    +5
    The Right Sector intends to complain to The Hague against the separatists for violating the rules of war. When "pravoseki" under heavy fire go to the shelter, the militiamen shout into the megaphone "He who does not jump, he is." Further, almost 100% of the death of "pravosek" - either from the bullets of the militia, or from their own, if you refuse to jump laughing
  46. Anton-sed
    Anton-sed 28 May 2014 16: 46
    +1
    Are they all on drugs? She’s probably handed out before entering the Rada.
  47. k1995
    k1995 28 May 2014 16: 47
    0
    Now the authorities will compete who will more likely calculate the threats from Russia, and to justify the money stolen from the budget.
  48. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 28 May 2014 17: 01
    0
    Even the German bunkers didn’t stop the Russian army, where are the fences ...
  49. Nikolav
    Nikolav 28 May 2014 17: 01
    0
    And what. Line Litvin-Poroshenko? And the flying equestrian squad of right-wingers? Hold on, mother Russia !!!))))
  50. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 28 May 2014 17: 10
    +2
    Quote: a52333
    They make some plans. Default on the nose + maidan 3, and they all interpret some hallucinations.

    There was a general in the pentagon who started off, and shouted: “The Russians are coming!” - jumped out the window.
    Obviously, the current consultants of the ukrointegratora suffer from the same mental illness. fellow
    1. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 28 May 2014 23: 39
      0
      It was not a general, but Minister of Defense Forestall - Icarus of the twentieth century ...