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GM400 radar stations for Kazakhstan

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22 May 2014 at the defense exhibition KADEX-2014 in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan, representatives of ThalesRaytheonSystems, a joint venture of the French group Thales and the American corporation Raytheon, signed a memorandum of understanding to supply 20 ground radar stations 400 (GM400) for supplying Kazakhstani ground level 400 (GMXNUMX) for Kazakhstani for supplying Kazakhstani Ground Master XNUMX (GMXNUMX) for Kazakhstani to send Kazakhstani Ground Master XNUMX (GMXNUMX) for Kazakhstani to supply Kazakhstan’s X-ray radar stations Ground Master XNUMX (GMXNUMX) for Kazakhstani to supply XNUMX ground level radar XNUMX radar stations (GMXNUMX) for Kazakhstani to supply Kazakhstan’s X-ray radar stations Ground Master XNUMX (GMXNUMX) to supply . The assembly of the radar, which received the designation "NUR", will be engaged in the joint venture Granit - Thales Electronics with the participation of Thales and SKTB Granit LLP. An “localized” GMXNUMX radar based on a KAMAZ vehicle was demonstrated at the exhibition.


SKTB "Granit" - the former Alma-Ata production and technical enterprise, which was part of the concern "Granit" of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry. In the Soviet period, it was engaged in the installation, configuration, docking, government testing and maintenance of test sites and prototypes of electronic missile defense systems and missile attack warning systems at the Sary-Shagan test site. The Granit-Thales Electronics joint venture was created in 2012 for the assembly of the TRS GM400 radar.
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  1. Baikal
    Baikal 28 May 2014 13: 39
    +18
    Hm. And why do not I like this news?
    Maybe due to keywords "Americans - Kazakhstan - radar supplies - mutual understanding"?
    This "Zhzhzhzh" is not without reason ...
    Taking honey from the wrong bees is then fraught with diarrhea at the crucial moment.
    1. max422
      max422 28 May 2014 13: 48
      +8
      lately nothing at all is clear
      1. diver1977
        diver1977 28 May 2014 15: 20
        +6
        Quote: max422
        lately nothing at all is clear

        I support. Our 01 was not at the CSTO exercises, for example. It’s also not clear. Something in the world is happening, and what is not being told to us. Hedgehog understands that in case of aggression, the NATO radars will stupidly disconnect, or will show false data, thanks to bookmarks, which are extremely difficult to find.
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 28 May 2014 13: 57
      +2
      Now I’ve looked through this interview with our military expert Shurygin. He speaks very well and carefully of our today's army and its weapons.

      A long interview, but very interesting and informative.
      1. afire
        afire 28 May 2014 15: 10
        +4
        Even I don’t understand anything, but what about the Single Airspace with Russia ???
        Our radars will already be integrated, for which they also have American ones? After all, you cannot integrate them anywhere, that is, it turns out that this is a parallel tracking system, and as I understand it, the data of the air situation will be 100% seen by Americans. Why do the Kazakhs make us such a sucker ??? Both ours and yours? little Ukraine? - just want it? - It will be a matter of time, because it is not worth anyone to have business with the Americans. they will set them up later and blame them. fools
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 28 May 2014 15: 13
          0
          Quote: afire
          Our radars will already be integrated, for which they also have American ones?


          French

          Quote: afire
          I understand that the data of the air situation will be 100% see Americans.


          How so?
    3. scientist
      scientist 28 May 2014 15: 27
      +4
      In Kazakhstan, there is a powerful foreign lobby that does not allow for a clear and united. military-technical policy in the country. It is obvious to everyone that now in the World the one who is stronger is right. Therefore, the more powerful and technologically advanced the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan become, the more independent the country's policy becomes, and this is very disadvantageous to foreign investors who want to protect their investments and pump out resources at their discretion.
      That is why a number of powerful projects for the modernization of air defense, the creation of an automated control system, the creation of UAVs and WTO, the creation of a national navigation and communication system, etc., have failed. For this reason, the system of higher military engineering training has been eliminated. After all, it is much easier to invite a civilian "specialist", and then write off failed projects for the absence of military professionals, and for one and budget money competently attach in the right pockets through trusted private firms such as Granite.
      Granite is currently purchasing the French radar station GM-400. How they advertise is the latest squeak. But in fact, this "squeak" is several times inferior to Russian counterparts both in terms of the detection zone and in noise immunity. According to OTR, in principle, the French radar is not capable of working, in contrast to the Russian counterparts. But the price is almost 3 times higher than the most expensive 96L6 air defense radar! And in terms of radar Gamma-C1 and Sky-SVU at least 4 times, although in terms of performance they exceed by an order of magnitude French narrow radar.
      And many combat functions, such as the state recognition system adopted in the Unified Air Defense and CSTO system, direction finding of jammers, spatial interference selection modes in GM-400 are generally absent in principlewhich will naturally affect the implementation of the combat capabilities of the entire air defense system, including the S-300PS air defense system, which again will be left without means of detecting ballistic targets, not to mention the prospects of deliveries of the S-400, which will have nothing to rely on besides its regular reconnaissance assets. So the air defense system is not built !!!
      It is a pity that in Kazakhstan, from the beginning, money is spent on dead-end and unpromising projects, and then they look for the culprits, as it was, for example, with the Israeli deliveries of MLRS Naiza, Aibat and Samser. General Maermanov is still in prison, although he was following the direct order of D. Akhmetov. And now all experts are well aware that the acquisition of a French radar for the air defense of Kazakhstan is a crime that not only contradicts the principles of information security, the military-technical policy of the CSTO countries and the agreement on the Unified Air Defense System, but will once again discard the development of the air defense system by a dozen years ago. But everyone is waiting hard for the command "fas about punishing the innocent and rewarding the innocent"
      1. Lindon
        Lindon 29 May 2014 09: 44
        +3
        Mixed everything in one pile. No specifics. I managed to connect the purchase of 20 radars with the construction of air defense. Oh how!
        Meanwhile, the massive use of modern electronic warfare systems and anti-radar missiles has led to the complete electronic and fire suppression of the air defense system of Yugoslavia, built solely on the basis of active means of location.
        Therefore, in recent years, special attention has been paid to the development of information tools that are based on the use of intrinsic radiation of high-frequency radiation in various wavelengths. A similar effect can be achieved by combining a passive location channel with an active radar channel, for example, on the basis of an air defense missile defense air defense system. This eliminates the need for the use of individual vehicles, topographic systems, power supply, ventilation and life support, information processing and display, and also reduces the additional number of personnel.
        Is it necessary to explain the advantages of the new generation radar in which the functions are first implemented:: 'digital radar', 'e-radar' and 'green radar'. The French refused analog-to-digital converters. At 96L6Е and other Russian counterparts of the Frenchman, only digital signal processing and digital transmission to the KP SAM and PBU ZRS and any KP RTV are implemented. The Frenchman controls the radar remotely, while in the Russian counterparts everything is mounted on one chassis (antenna device, container with transceiver equipment, information processing equipment, operator’s workstation, communication equipment, state radar recognition equipment, autonomous power supply system and spare parts kit )
        Where does the statement come from that the Frenchman cannot work on OTP?
        Finland and Estonia selected a Frenchman for the tender for detecting a target with an EPR of 2 meter at a distance of 400 km. Sky-VCA will see a target with EPR 2,5 m only for 360 km.
        The French can even give target designation to intercept Scud ballistic missiles, as is the case in Turkey.
        You can say anything verbally, but the facts and purchases of the Frenchman by the leading countries of the world (Germany, Canada, etc.) speak in his favor.
  2. Giant thought
    Giant thought 28 May 2014 13: 43
    +3
    The main thing is that the "partners" do not poke the bugs, otherwise everything will be cut out at the most crucial moment.
    1. Walk
      Walk 28 May 2014 13: 46
      +3
      Disabled is unlikely, but for sure to distort data or completely remove it from standing.
  3. rugor
    rugor 28 May 2014 13: 43
    +2
    JV our French and mattresses or what? Interestingly, they can remotely disable these settings in case of what? There will be a surprise to the Kazakhs.
  4. Akvadra
    Akvadra 28 May 2014 13: 45
    +3
    Wake up brothers! Horse Trojan!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 May 2014 13: 49
      +2
      quote 22 on May 2014 at the defense exhibition KADEX-2014 in the capital of Kazakhstan, Astana, representatives of ThalesRaytheonSystems, a joint venture of the French Thales group and the American corporation Raytheon, signed a memorandum of understanding providing for the supply of 20 ground-based radar stations Ground Master 400 (GM400 for Kazakhstan) air defense.

  5. awg75
    awg75 28 May 2014 13: 47
    +4
    how is Kazakhstan going to integrate this product into a joint air defense system ???? This is the most complicated electronic equipment and how it will work for the customer is known only to the manufacturer i.e. the enemy
    1. foxxi
      foxxi 28 May 2014 15: 51
      +1
      Quote: awg75
      how is Kazakhstan going to integrate this product into a joint air defense system ???? This is the most complicated electronic equipment and how it will work for the customer is known only to the manufacturer i.e. the enemy

      maybe there will be no integration, there will be a duplication of the system ...
      1. MBA78
        MBA78 28 May 2014 16: 28
        +2
        will interfere
  6. Arh
    Arh 28 May 2014 13: 47
    0
    Clear Sky TS !!! smile
  7. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 28 May 2014 13: 48
    -1
    To be honest, I'm surprised that they do it in general ... such a "high-tech" technique ....
  8. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 May 2014 13: 49
    +1
    A strange decision of the Kazakhs! Our radars have long been considered one of the best in the world, if not the best, but they buy this ....
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 28 May 2014 18: 20
      +2
      On Russian fighters the same thing. Electronics from the same French company Thales. Such is the reality - our electronics are far behind. I do not speak for science, but its applied meaning. With the collapse of the USSR, this industry practically ceased to exist, much remained, for example, in the Baltic states and Ukraine. hi
  9. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 28 May 2014 13: 50
    +2
    I don’t know how the French are, but the Americans are definitely not partners. They will put a pig either today or tomorrow. This is the enemy!
  10. mig31
    mig31 28 May 2014 13: 51
    +1
    The thing is tricky, the Americans want to control both us and China ... although, maybe this is our order, who knows ...
  11. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 28 May 2014 13: 54
    +5
    Of course, the Kazakhs were stupid. Creating with us a single air defense space, purchase foreign components for this. fool
    1. diver1977
      diver1977 28 May 2014 15: 16
      +5
      Maybe it was bought by Russia by the hands of Kazakhstan for study? The version is like that. It seems like a common practice. Studies are not in terms of learning from experience, but in terms of counteraction planning. And so Russian radars are the best in the world.

      Or there has been a turn in foreign policy, which I do not understand and cannot accept ...
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 28 May 2014 15: 20
        +1
        Quote: diver1977
        Maybe it was bought by Russia by the hands of Kazakhstan for study? This version is


        And the French are so stupid that they did not understand this?

        Quote: diver1977
        And so Russian radars are the best in the world.


        Very doubtful.
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 28 May 2014 15: 53
          -1
          Quote: Zymran
          Quote: diver1977
          Maybe it was bought by Russia by the hands of Kazakhstan for study? This version is


          And the French are so stupid that they did not understand this?

          Quote: diver1977
          And so Russian radars are the best in the world.


          Very doubtful.

          The French are not stupid, just anyway, if desired, the Russian Federation would still have found their toys in the market, and so - money in their situation in the economy is not superfluous, well, to show Russia that they are not completely controlled from Fashington. IMHO.
      2. scientist
        scientist 28 May 2014 15: 39
        0
        By the way, the option is quite real, only Kazakhstan is still the loser.
  12. Sasha_Bykov
    Sasha_Bykov 28 May 2014 13: 59
    +4
    mmda, Russia is going to build a unified air defense system with Kazakhstan, and then Amer’s radars.
  13. karal
    karal 28 May 2014 13: 59
    +1
    We’ve climbed there already, well, there’s a plug in every barrel! am
  14. Lindon
    Lindon 28 May 2014 14: 00
    0
    Ground Master-400 ”is a three-coordinate digital radar that provides the detection of various air targets (from maneuvering low-flying tactical aircraft to UAVs) at high and low altitudes. The minimum detection range is 5 km, the instrumental detection range is 470 km, the detection height is 30 km.
    Ground Master radar systems have the ability to identify traditional and non-traditional threats to ensure air defense.
    GM 400 is a representative of the TRS Ground Master digital 3D family of radar stations and is operated by Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Malaysia and Slovenia.
    In the considered radar, a number of such promising building concepts as “fully digital radar” (digital radar) and “completely green radar” (green radar) have been successfully implemented. GM400 radar station Features include: digital antenna pattern control; Long range of target detection, including NLC and BR; the ability to remotely control the operation of radar subsystems from remote automated workstations of operators.
    Good radar.
    1. scientist
      scientist 28 May 2014 15: 54
      0
      Don't believe the ads. As one of the representatives of the BAE System company, who also brought their radar for testing, said, “thanks to your specialists, we got to know our radar even better”. In fact, all the performance characteristics were overestimated by 2 times, and supposedly new digital technologies were outdated even for radars developed in the Soviet Union.
      It's the same story with the GM400. Its predecessor, Master-T, took an honorable penultimate place in the comparative table after BAE System's radar. which, like Thales, Rosoboronexport and Lockheed Martin, took part in the international competition for the modernization of the air defense system of Kazakhstan. Then the project was buried for political reasons, despite all the uniqueness of the technical and technological solutions. But the United States, with its NATO puppets, has not stopped its efforts to bribe officials in Kazakhstan and promote its "charged" intelligence equipment, which can now damage not only Kazakhstan, but also the Unified Air Defense System, to which it has joined.
      1. Local
        Local 8 July 2014 13: 40
        +1
        All comments on this site come down to the fact that Kazakhs are stupid if they do not buy equipment in Russia! Processors and microchips are not manufactured in Russia, all your equipment is assembled on the same ratheons and intellects. In the same way, there is an option that at one point all this will fail. An example is the launch of Phobos and other Glonasses. And Russia does not really want to assemble products for some reason in Kazakhstan. Or am I wrong?
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  15. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 28 May 2014 14: 06
    +1
    Kazakhstan is trying to "multi-vector", buying weapons from different buyers in order to avoid monopoly, so T-72 tanks were modernized together with the Israelis. The modification was named T-72KZ - together, it was equipped with reactive armor and an Israeli-made MSA.

    There is another joint Kazakh-Israeli-Ukrainian version of the modernization of the T-72-T-72KZ "Shygiz", first introduced in the 2012 year. The tank is equipped with an improved TISAS SLA with Israeli-made thermal imaging sights, TIUS, a GPS-based navigation system and Tadiran radio stations. Mounted on the tower is a built-in, and on the body hinged DZ, on the side projections mounted anti-cumulative gratings. Caterpillars are equipped with asphalt pads.
    Self-propelled howitzers based on the 122-mm BG D-30 "Samser" were created. Which structurally is a 122 mm D-30 howitzer mounted on a turntable on the chassis of a KAMAZ-63502 truck. It is equipped with a NATO C4I automated fire control system and a loading system developed by Soltam systems as part of the ATMOS-155 self-propelled 2000-mm howitzer project. From the electronic equipment appeared GPS and GLONASS positioning systems and a computer for receiving data from a senior battery officer. The ammunition load is 80 rounds. Production was mastered in 2008 by the National Company Kazakhstan Engineering JSC at the Petropavlovsk Heavy Machine Building Plant (PZTM JSC). So far it is known that 18 Semser SGs have entered service.
    120-mm self-propelled mortars on the MT-LB "Aybat" chassis, equipped with an Israeli recoil system and a CARDOM complex. The latter includes a computerized fire control and command system C2 and inertial navigation equipment, the use of which reduces the preparation time for opening fire (up to 30 seconds) and increases the probability of a hit from the first shot. The rate of fire of the system reaches 16 rounds per minute. Presumably, 3 batteries of self-propelled mortars were delivered. True, during operation, the design flaws of the system were revealed: after the demonstration firing, the bottom of the crawler tractor hull, on which the mortar was installed, was deformed
    Multi-caliber MLRS "Naiza", capable of firing 122-mm Grad rockets and 220-mm Hurricane rockets, Israeli 240-mm EXTRA; 300 mm "Super EXTRA";
    and Delilah cruise missiles.
    In Turkey, 30 LME Otokar "Cobra" were purchased, in addition, there is an agreement with Turkey on the joint production of BRM for the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
    In Ukraine, in 2012, 100 vehicle kits of BTR-4 armored personnel carriers were purchased at a price of $ 1,5 million per unit and 2 BTR-3Е. However, their assembly in Kazakhstan has not yet begun.
    For the Air Force, 8 Spanish light aircraft MTC CASA C-295 were purchased, 2 delivered, as well as 39 Eurocopter EC145 light helicopters (supplied by 6) and 20 Eurocopter EC725. 2 An-72 purchased in Ukraine
    Within the framework of the Partnership for Peace program, 12 Bell UH-1 Iroquois helicopters and 51 light armored vehicles HMMWV were received from the United States.
    For the Navy from South Korea, three artillery boats of the Sea Dolphin type from the USA 4 landing craft of an unknown design were received. In Poland, a mine-sweeping ship, Kormoran 2 Ave., was ordered. According to the Ukrainian project, the Dagger armored boats are being built (under construction, 7, 1 are under construction). In May 2012, the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, JSC National Company Kazakhstan Engineering and the European companies MBDA and INDRA Sistemas signed an agreement on the acquisition of a coastal defense system for the Kazakh Navy based on the Exocet MM40 Block 3 anti-ship missile family
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 28 May 2014 14: 12
      +1
      Well, to illustrate and confirm what was written above, since there was not enough space in the photo:

      Kazakh paratroopers with Italian automatic rifles ARX-160
      Self-propelled howitzer "Semser"

      Aibat self-propelled mortar

      MLRS "Niza"

      Turkish Ltm Otokar Cobra from the 36-th Airborne Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan

      transport aircraft CASA C-295 Air Force of Kazakhstan

      light helicopters Eurocopter EC145 Air Force of Kazakhstan
      1. Kadex
        Kadex 28 May 2014 15: 25
        +1
        Good afternoon.
        Good photos, very clear.
        However, there is a question, where did the Niza MLRS go? They were not in the last parade. And, ACS "Semser" and SM "Aybat" in general, few have seen.
        P.S. Allow me to correct, in the 1st photo, not the paratroopers ...
        1. MBA78
          MBA78 28 May 2014 16: 32
          +2
          this is a collection ... they want to open a museum of military equipment
  16. Aldo
    Aldo 28 May 2014 14: 31
    +3
    This is a normal diversification of arms supplies. The main weapon we already buy in Russia.
    1. Juborg
      Juborg 28 May 2014 15: 34
      -5
      This is the duplicity of Kazakhstan. The campaign and the Kazakhs reached for the State Department cookies.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 28 May 2014 16: 06
        +3
        Quote: juborg
        This is the duplicity of Kazakhstan. The campaign and the Kazakhs reached for the State Department cookies.

        We take an example from the Russian Federation which Mistral buys from France and much more laughing
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      3. Kasym
        Kasym 28 May 2014 18: 27
        +3
        YUBORG, for Mistral to remind. Or look at the electronic equipment of military equipment. The same Thales on Russian fighters and turntables, etc. Not a single country in the world, even the USA and the Russian Federation, can create a closed military-industrial complex without purchasing "components" for its products.
        1. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko 29 May 2014 00: 25
          +1
          If you are not in the know, for example, I personally was interested in specialists about electronics on the Mistral. So, all the electronics are Russian, as well as weapons. In another way, in principle, it is impossible to integrate. French electronics are put on some on planes and helicopters, but only in the export version, it all depends on the customer.
          The only thing that was actually acquired from military electronics with technology from Thales in Russia was military radio stations, but the process of disassembling it into molecules with subsequent certification of safety in the Constellation concern dragged on for several years. But now the Russian analogue of the French radio station is getting ready for production. By the way, a really good radio station, we really tried to suppress the VHF and HF radio stations by the European CICADA electronic warfare complex at the training ground near Almaty - it didn’t work! The data transfer rate under the conditions of cicada interference slightly decreased, but it didn’t affect the quality of voice communication.
          By the way, they tried to produce it at the TalesKazakhstan Engineering JV, but it didn't work out! Israel pushed its obsolete Tadirans through the KNB. So, after the transfer of technologies and the production of radio stations have failed, it is simply ridiculous to talk about any technologies that Kazakhstan can get for the production of the GM400 radar, because the radar is ten times more complicated.
  17. 3vs
    3vs 28 May 2014 14: 36
    +1
    So ours will have to put our Voronezh radar station on the border with Kazakhstan.
    There is no longer any trust in such "partners" in the light of the fact that since Cisco equipment
    NSA installed its bugs before sending it to consumers, then in this area
    and even more so there is no faith for them.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 May 2014 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: 3vs
      So ours will have to put our Voronezh radar station on the border with Kazakhstan.
      There is no longer any trust in such "partners" in the light of the fact that since Cisco equipment
      NSA installed its bugs before sending it to consumers, then in this area
      and even more so there is no faith for them.

      It is imperative to install your own radars, as they say in Russian proverbs, "hope for God, but don't do it yourself" and "Russia has two allies, its army and navy." Well, the RK will build its own radar system.
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  18. smsk
    smsk 28 May 2014 14: 36
    +6
    It seems that such stations will not be superfluous, and Russian colleagues will be able to rummage around in enemy equipment. Well, the plus is that they will be assembled here in Kazakhstan, with no experience whatsoever.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 May 2014 16: 14
      +2
      Quote: smsk
      It seems that such stations will not be superfluous, and Russian colleagues will be able to rummage around in enemy equipment. Well, the plus is that they will be assembled here in Kazakhstan, with no experience whatsoever.

      something I think you kind of make excuses to the Russians, you stole something from them? or violated any agreements? (RK did not seem to promise to swear oaths to buy all weapons in the Russian Federation).
      1. smsk
        smsk 28 May 2014 17: 39
        +3
        No, I'm not making excuses. I am sure this will only benefit. It is necessary to somehow develop production ourselves. It is impossible for Kazakhstan militarily to depend on someone, albeit on its closest ally. Although this looks ambiguous,
        especially after ratification of the unified air defense treaty.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 28 May 2014 20: 22
          +2
          I understand, it means I misunderstood you. With two hands for any production in the Republic of Kazakhstan, at least with the French, at least with the Chinese, at least with the Russians. Let it even be just an assembly from ready-made blocks, and if it’s not to someone’s liking, who’s to blame, they probably sat and twisted their hands, you’re probably not going anywhere and buy from us and on our terms, and now they write a guard, they threw us away (I wouldn’t have been with my defense export figure out which is losing its traditional markets, and looking for the machinations of mythical vagabonds)
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  19. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 May 2014 14: 36
    +2
    This is of course a private matter of Kazakhstan.
    Russia only needs to remember ... that during the war, the Kazakh air defense segment can be stupidly turned off by bookmarks .... And draw corrective conclusions.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 28 May 2014 15: 16
      +1
      Do not worry.
      Air defense troops in Kazakhstan have radars as part of the S-300 divisions and other complexes. There are also Russian radars at Baikonur, Sary-Shagan and other military facilities leased by Russia.
      Russia also illuminates the sky to the Indian Ocean Voronezh early warning radar - construction is underway.
      The grouping of a single regional air defense will include troops of Russia and Kazakhstan - i.e. Russian air defense units included in the group will be based in Kazakhstan.
      20 radar stations will not be superfluous, especially since it does not cost Russia a dime. On the contrary, Russian specialists will be able to get acquainted with the main NATO radar station "to practice live."
  20. Drewlik
    Drewlik 28 May 2014 14: 38
    +1
    a joint venture of the French and Americans, and they do it on the basis of KAMAZ. some garbage
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 28 May 2014 14: 59
      +2
      On the Mistrals, Ka-52 will be, why this 10 ton radar can not be mounted on Kamaz?
  21. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 28 May 2014 14: 46
    0
    They will collect in Almaty, which implies access to technology, this is good. I think that it will be interesting for Russian specialists to see how this thing works. Tomorrow they should sign an agreement on EurAsEC.
  22. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 28 May 2014 15: 07
    0
    Now to the question of radar, for example, during the war in Yugoslavia in 1999, the RTV FRY as part of the 126th air surveillance, warning and guidance brigade, consisted of 4 American AN / TPS-70, 3 American AN / TPS-63 , English: 6 S-600, 1 S-605 by Marconi Ltd, Soviet 2 P-15 (Tropa), 1 P-14 (1PRV-11), P-12/18 radar and Swedish "Girafe" by Tompson batteries of 40-mm anti-aircraft guns Bofors L70.

  23. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 28 May 2014 15: 31
    +2
    Firstly, apparently due to the fact that Kazakhstan strives to produce at home and gain access to technology.
    RF means it does not agree.
    Secondly, for all known events in Ukraine, Ak Orda made conclusions and this is one of the actions to prevent a similar scenario in Kazakhstan. In the end, the control of the airspace of the Republic of Kazakhstan fully depends on the Russian Federation and gradually, slowly, Kazakhstan will strive to manage on its own.
    Thirdly, it will be possible to send the adapted version for export, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, I think, will not refuse. By the way, "Eurocopters" assembled in Kazakhstan will be delivered to Azerbaijan ..
  24. Dmitriy85
    Dmitriy85 28 May 2014 19: 51
    +1
    You can not completely depend on Russia. But radars are needed, especially on the border with China.
    1. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 29 May 2014 00: 44
      0
      Quote: Dmitriy85
      Radars needed, especially on the border with China

      And you are not embarrassed that China 8 years ago acquired the air defense ACS technology from the Belarusian Agat, and in 2012 Kazakhstan acquired the software for this ACS and now it is being deployed by the GisCentre, such as the Kazakh one. Although in reality the system somehow copes with the tasks of collecting radar information from stationary positions, and all control, as before, is carried out by voice, i.e. "by the manual method".
      Another paradoxical fact is that about 4 years ago, China acquired GM400 technology from the same Thales and has been producing the Chinese counterpart for several years.
      So, if you create a Unified Air Defense System, naturally automated, then from a technological point of view it is easier for Kazakhstan to create it with China than with Russia. Well, naturally, the Chinese are now well aware of Kazakhstani technologies and for them, as for the United States, the Kazakh sky is absolutely open. In my opinion, it is better not to have an army at all than to do what they are doing now in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 29 May 2014 09: 26
        +1
        Quote: Vita_vko
        Doesn't bother you that China 8 years ago acquired from Belarus Agat the technology of automated air defense system
        That confuses me, the fact that, just the same, the Russian Federation, all that can be sold by the PLA, including the latest Su-35.
        Quote: Vita_vko
        In my opinion, it is better not to have armies at all than to do what they are doing now in the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan.
        In my opinion, you'd better go to where there is an army that satisfies you. Where you will not be worried about what they are doing now in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        1. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko 29 May 2014 11: 36
          -1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          you better go where there is an army satisfying you

          A serious argument for the pseudo-patriot: “we see specks in someone else’s eye, but we don’t notice a log in our own”! You don't need to tell me where to go, and I won't tell you where to go.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 29 May 2014 15: 16
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            Quote: Vita_vko
            A serious argument for the pseudo-patriot: “we see specks in someone else’s eye, but we don’t notice a log in our own”!
            Psevdopatriot, just the same you.
            More precisely, a patriot is not our country. You have all the posts about Kazakhstan in the "pro-Sralipollimer" style ..
            You, like a "scientist", are only looking for an excuse to hook, hook Kazakhstan.
            Quote: Vita_vko
            No need to tell me where to go, but I won’t tell you where to go.
            Well, you do not need to go anywhere. Judging by your hysterical posts about the Army of Kazakhstan, you are already where you will not tell me to go ...
            P.S. Go ahead, you have to strive for. An example before my eyes is the exorcist and vasilenko. Go for it ..
  25. Vita_vko
    Vita_vko 29 May 2014 16: 41
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    Quote: Alibekulu
    More precisely, a patriot is not our country. You have all the posts about Kazakhstan in the "pro-Sralipollimer" style ..
    You, like a "scientist", are only looking for an excuse to hook, hook Kazakhstan.

    If you shout about sugar at all corners, your mouth won't get sweeter. It is because of people like you provocateurs and licimers that situations arise:
    1. When Deputy Minister of Defense Maermanova is imprisoned for 14 years, and his immediate superior, who gave criminal orders, D. Akhmetov continues to drink vodka at large.
    2. When Deputy Minister Baghdat Maikeyev, who headed the commission of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan on the fight against corruption, is taken with a bribe of several million dollars, and his immediate boss Dzhaksybekov goes for an increase.
    3. When the story is repeated with lower-ranking generals A. Asenov, who was in charge of military-technical policy, who bought Ukrainian armored vehicles for bribes, and A. Buldeshov, who protected the business of supplying used used parts to the air defense forces.
    By the way, speaking of each of these generals, there are dozens more officers who are also involved in criminal cases and who were at least aware of fraud. Apparently like you, these officers, who sold their honor and conscience for easy chairs and high posts, praised the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan at all angles and did not notice the crimes under their nose. You yourself are not afraid for yourself, for your loved ones being protected by such an army? Or will you continue to scream your pseudo-patriotic URA !?
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 29 May 2014 17: 41
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      Quote: Vita_vko
      If you shout about sugar at all corners, your mouth won't get sweeter. It is because of people like you provocateurs and licimers that situations arise:
      A provocateur and a hypocrite, just you. All your crying is quite typical: he buys RK from the Russian Federation "Urya !! Has no analogues in the world." As soon as Kazakhstan buys or manufactures a / s with foreign firms, you start to "throw hovna" .. Corruption, "sawing the dough", "bookmarks".
      I have no doubt that something our generals and bastiks do not forget about themselves.
      But you have an emphasis on the fact that the Kazakhs do this, and therefore you are a provocateur.
      And, therefore, I consider you a patriot not RK, but Russia. And, accordingly, you are a hypocrite, as exposing yourself as a man who raids for the Kazakh army, in fact defends Russian interests. What is normal and absolutely natural, but you and those like you have nothing to do with the Kazakh army.
      Quote: Vita_vko
      You yourself are not afraid for yourself, for your loved ones being protected by such an army?
      I’m scared when there are people in our army who put the interests of another, even friendly state, above the interests of Kazakhstan.
      And I hope that the patriots of Russia will serve in the interests of the Russian Federation, in the Russian army and in Russia ..
      And in the army of the Republic of Kazakhstan should serve the patriots of Kazakhstan, for which the interests of our country are in Im place ..
  26. Dmitriy85
    Dmitriy85 29 May 2014 19: 36
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    I’m also wondering why many people consider the purchase of Russian military equipment is good, but the purchase from other countries is corruption and cut money? Especially people from Russia think so.
    Need diversification.
    1. scientist
      scientist 29 May 2014 22: 59
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      In short, because Russia, in accordance with the CSTO agreement, is obliged to supply arms to Kazakhstan at the price of the manufacturer. Consequently, neither Kazakh nor Russian officials receive any kickbacks or gifts from the contract. And if there is no incentive, there is no desire. If Rosoboronexport could unfasten the kickbacks as much as the Israeli or Ukrainian arms sellers unfasten, having previously pledged this money into the value of the contracts, then everything would be completely different.
      Personally, I know dozens of examples and facts when, despite the obvious advantages of Russian weapons, Kazakhstani officials made the choice in favor of the more expensive Western, Israeli, Ukrainian, Turkish, and even Belarusian. Then much went to waste, stupidly, stood dead weight 3-5 years and was written off. But who cares? As I wrote above, the foreign lobby, namely, the American, Western and Israeli, is doing everything to make Kazakhstan unable to obtain modern military technologies and weapons. And Russian suppliers are not indignant, because there is no particular interest in cheap, by their standards, contracts, all the more so because of this, to inflate a corruption scandal. Therefore, good relations are sacrificed for defense.
    2. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 30 May 2014 00: 54
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      Quote: Dmitriy85
      Need diversification

      This is not for you to let hydrocarbons through the pipe, then in one direction, then in the other direction. Modern weapons must be unified! Any military man will tell you that. It is impossible to fight when your unit is not weapons, but a zoo! And if you take into account the system of technical maintenance and integration with similar systems of the allied states, then this is generally a bunch of unnecessary scrap metal. It would be better if Granite continued with its modernization of the P-18 and repairs using Ukrainian technology from Chinese components. The damage to the air defense system would be less. It is too expensive a pleasure to buy one radar for $ 20 million for a trial, such as testing. Although what is there, the specialists already understand that the garbage is complete, we will not get any technologies and money will be shoved into the "necessary" pockets. After all, even the production of really good radio stations, Thales could not master, with the need for production of several hundred annually, what can we say about radars, which are hundreds of times more complicated.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 30 May 2014 11: 19
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        Quote: scientist
        Russia, in accordance with the CSTO agreement, is obliged to supply arms to Kazakhstan at the price of the manufacturer. Consequently, neither Kazakh nor Russian officials receive any kickbacks or gifts from the contract.
        I'm ply crying
        Any fool understands that in the so-called. "the price of the manufacturer's factory" already included corruption costs, such as "diamonds and a 17-apartment building for Vasilyeva" and so on. etc.
        Quote: scientist
        And if there is no incentive, there is no desire.
        I wonder what happened to the 2 lard of Baku for "Baiterek". The money has been paid, but he still does not, as well as money.
        And the story of "KazSat-1", which was ordered to the Russians and which rests on the bottom of the Okiyana sea .. And the divorce with the Ishim project ..
        Recall rusty Su-27 delivered to Kazakhstan.
        Quote: scientist
        Therefore, good relationships are sacrificed for defense.
        The cat scientist, as always, turned everything upside down.
        It is precisely Kazakhstan, obviously to its own detriment, in the procurement of military equipment gives priority to Russian equipment. When there are many examples that foreign technology is obvious better, more precisely, it is at a higher technological level. And, because of the "failure of the 90s," Russia has obviously lagged behind in many areas. And, the Russian Federation itself has recently been concluding contracts with Western firms in order to reduce this gap: Mistral, Iveco, etc.
        You are also perfectly aware of the words of the NAS in this regard.
        Quote: scientist
        Personally, I know dozens of examples and facts.
        Personally, you have already been caught, on an obvious lie ...
        Quote: Vita_vko
        It’s not for you to let hydrocarbons through the pipe, either one way or the other.
        Well, about the "tongue that broom", you do it too ..
        Quote: Vita_vko
        It is too expensive to buy one radar for 20 million $
        It is not good to count money in other people's pockets. RK can afford it ..
        Quote: Vita_vko
        Although what is there, the specialists already understand that the garbage is complete, we will not get any technologies and money will be shoved into the "necessary" pockets.
        "A rolling stone gathers no moss"..
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        2. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko 5 June 2014 23: 40
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          It is useless to discuss with a person who does not know anything other than a zombie creator and does not want to see obvious things. This is a conversation between the blind and the deaf. But when the next criminal cases appear on corruption violations and abuse of power in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and this year they will be 100%, I hope you recall this discussion, which is useless to you, and I hope you will not go through the case as an accomplice.
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