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The attack of Bandera punitive in Donetsk with the use of aviation right after the “presidential election” with the filing of the “freshly baked” Poroshenko says that this is not only a pre-planned operation - this is a new strategy of the Kiev junta, or rather, of Washington behind it. This, apparently, is the price of Poroshenko’s approval for the presidency of Fashington - a bloody sweep of Donbass. And he is so motivated that he promises to "restore control over the East of Ukraine" in a few hours.

And just as inadequate. Oleg Tsarev issued a statement that "fast ATO" means huge casualties among the civilian population. " But this is not at all an obstacle for punishers, judging by the “quick” sweep of Odessa. In a few hours, you can arrange a massacre, as punitive in Odessa did, but you can not "regain control" of the two regions, in which an active confrontation has been going on for a month already, and the militia of New Russia have noticeably strengthened their positions. Therefore, the State Department chose it on him, and therefore this “moor” was given way by Tymoshenko - so that he would do “his dirty business”, after which his “leave”.

Thus, the gangster episodes of the beginning of the "work activity" of this oligarch are only confirmed. This is not the president of the country in the usual sense of the word, it is a “president-cleaner”, and he is lonely and has not been able to even get his own “political power”. (Therefore, by the way, it will be easy to “quit” it when needed.)

What will Russia say on this move of faschington? Putin, in a telephone conversation with Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, "stressed the need for an immediate cessation of the military punitive operation in the south-eastern regions and forging a peaceful dialogue between Kiev and representatives of the regions."

Two points are noteworthy here: 1) the requirement of “immediate termination”; 2) the name of the military operation "punitive". In fact, the failure of these demands of the Kiev junta is a sufficient pretext for the already announced entry of Russian troops to protect the civilian population of Donbass. But the global political situation prevails: the State Department is clearly seeking to provoke Russia with bloodshed in the Donbass to send in troops in order to pass it off as “Moscow’s aggression”.

However, Moscow can answer more subtly, asymmetrically, for example, according to the Syrian scenario of Fashington himself. Indeed, why should Russia not turn its strategy against him?

The junta's use of aviation in the millionth Donetsk, shelling from Slavyansk howitzers is enough reason to accuse the Washington of the escalation of violence in the Donbas, because it stands behind the junta, and it is not difficult to prove it! Then somehow recognize Novorossia, whose referendum Russia “respects”, after which you can openly provide it with non-lethal and humanitarian aid. After all, the same recognized Fashington "Syrian rebels" and assists them.

This, of course, is a clear counterattack on the State Department, it is “fraught”, but other options are worse. The well-known political scientist Yevgeny Satanovsky reasonably believes that "the chances that the current government in Kiev will be heard by the authorities in Kiev are not just minimal - they are zero." Because Kiev fulfills the order of Fashington.

By the way, this explains the use of the letter "F" in the designation of the capital of the United States.

If the States brought fascists to power in Ukraine, ordered them to carry out “punitive operations”, whitewash them and give them a “political roof”, then they also smell very fascism. "If something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then this is a duck."
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  1. Alexey N
    Alexey N 28 May 2014 09: 29
    +50
    Let the United States choose a Ukrainian prezik every month, we know who the owner is in Kiev. The American ambassador, if anyone does not know.
    The power in Ukraine is NOT LEGITIMAL !!! And the "elections" on 25.05.14/XNUMX/XNUMX - the continuation of the coup!
    1. BYV
      BYV 28 May 2014 09: 39
      +8
      Quote: Alexey N
      we know who is the boss in Kiev

      This is so, but we also know who the lair is in the den laughing
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        1. ZU-23
          ZU-23 28 May 2014 09: 45
          +4
          So the bucket said for a long time that Ukraine should join NATO as soon as possible
          1. tolyasik0577
            tolyasik0577 28 May 2014 11: 02
            +16
            therefore, it is necessary to recognize the republics of new Russia as soon as possible. A state with disputed territories is not accepted into NATO.
            1. Himalayan
              Himalayan 28 May 2014 11: 33
              +57
              Miners on strike ... No wordsThe woman in the next room, in a communal apartment, is raped by the gopari, and the neighbor miner goes on strike? - They all dibilsya there?
              1. coolboy
                coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 29
                -11%
                in 1) a strike is apparently a team from above from the owners of enterprises
                2) people there are not stupid at all, and they see everything that happens, if they don’t participate it means that not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom or in the ranks of the so-called DPR
                1. Alekseev
                  Alekseev 28 May 2014 21: 29
                  +9
                  Quote: coolboy
                  the strike is apparently a team from above from the owners of enterprises

                  It seems that only state mines are on strike. Did the egg instruct them to go on strike?
                  Quote: coolboy
                  people there are not stupid at all, and they see everything that happens, if they don’t participate it means that not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom or in the ranks of the so-called DPR

                  Of course, they see and know that they can kill. yes Scary, families, etc. There are only 30 thousand active bayonets for the DPR and Lugansk. And the harder the junta is pressed, the more rebels will be and they will fight more effectively.
                  And then crammed into the airport building. They didn’t believe that aviation would strike, or what?
                  There were even no launches of MANPADS. I feel sorry for the dead, but such miscalculations should no longer be. Partisans must work from ambush.
                  And let everyone work in the mines and support financially and morally. Workers of the rear, this is also necessary.
                  And there can be no complete order in the "Danish kingdom". But we must strive for this. Including, sometimes like Comrade Strelkov, to eliminate criminals in their ranks.
                2. galser
                  galser 29 May 2014 00: 20
                  0
                  It is clear why this is cool here. But why take so long? Patience didn’t have enough to read the thread by reading his PSACI.
                3. Suhow
                  Suhow 29 May 2014 01: 08
                  +4
                  peasants, without the slightest effort to minus without knowing the situation. The militia in the east of Ukraine is really different (my colleagues were on a business trip in those parts) alone for the idea. others for replenishing their pockets, and these others disgrace the others and thanks to them, the support of local people falls, and not only local. The new government exposes the eastern militia and Russian volunteers with bandits. And the facts of looting, the authorities are profitable, and these events are inflated. And given the propogandy war and opportunities, this is ... for opponents. The militia of the East on their lands really needs to put things in order territories otherwise Khan.
                  1. miscellanea
                    miscellanea 30 May 2014 10: 47
                    0
                    I propose: SPECIAL DIVISIONS to stir up the same scenario in Western Ukraine and Zaporozhye as in the East. THOSE. Galicia must vote in a referendum for joining POLAND! Poland, I think I will not refuse such a gift!
                    And this is where the fun begins. All parties, so to speak, "knock down the settings"! How will Kiev react, like the EU, like America? the ardor with respect to the DPR and LPR will immediately be shot down !!! At least it will become easier for them to breathe! And the National Guard (Westerners) will not need to fight in the east, if they become Poland (what does it really matter what to be called? "Austro-Hungarians", "Ukrainians" or "Poles". if they won't go hungry with Poland, then with KIEV under the IMF they will soon stretch their legs!
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 30 May 2014 11: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: miscellaneous
                      to stir up the same scenario in Western Ukraine and Zaporozhye

                      The Hungarians already in the Carpathian region sent their special forces to search for their citizen who was lost there.
                      They will still hold referendums, here the iron principle _ Whose troops will be before, that’s the territory!
                4. Polarfox
                  Polarfox 29 May 2014 01: 35
                  +4
                  And why did they minus something? The man is telling the truth. Initially, it was known that in the DPR, not everyone supports the rebels. And the fact that the miners, on the orders of Akhmetov, took to the streets, does not testify to their wild Svidomo, but only to the fear of job loss and concern about the war. The usual reaction of a peaceful person.

                  As a person who has made a lot of efforts in the information war, in which, of course, I am on the side of Russia and the DPR, I have the right to urge to look at things realistically. Let’s not fall into euphoria, if everything was as simple as in the Crimea on the Donbass land, then the result of the performance of the Donetsk patriots would be different. Or don't you think so?
                5. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 29 May 2014 02: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: coolboy
                  in 1) a strike is apparently a team from above from the owners of enterprises


                  - 1. At the moment, oligarchs from the republics have fled.
                  (I agree from the point of view of the class struggle - the miners are "sluggish");

                  Quote: coolboy
                  2) people there are not stupid at all, and they see everything that happens, if they don’t participate it means that not everything is in order in the Danish kingdom


                  - 2. The miners are family people and think about the family, they still do not fully understand what will happen to them. In the same way, people in Ukraine perceived the collapse of the USSR and the Maidan that 1, 2, (we’ll probably survive somehow --- then they ate guano with shovels).

                  Quote: coolboy
                  or ranks of the so-called DNR


                  - Are you an enemy? Do you kick when the Russians are killed?
                  If - yes, then you are not the first - did not surprise.

                  It is "funny" to see such comments, while the Russians are fighting for their lives, when a punitive operation is underway - in fact, ideological and ethnic cleansing.

                  In my humble opinion:
                  - The introduction of troops from Russia will be a huge mistake.
                  Weapons, medicines and other "Lend-Lease" + detachments of volunteers and, most importantly, equipment --- more than enough.

                  The main question is of course - the issue of air defense.

                  We (Kiev, Odessa, Kharkiv, and others) are not exactly sitting on the pope, although work is ahead for several years.

                  What are you building versions ?! Kamrad coolboy Come with your woman to me in Kiev, when they start threatening her with death, will you sing the anthem of Ukraine? Or choose honor?

                  Was your car (with your family) stopped at block growth?
                  Have you been humiliated by ethnicity?

                  Muli your hand rose to the republic of the DPR?
                  Couch Warrior?

                  This video personally makes me wonder how it is possible to sift through the info-war, it is only the Russian media that can.
                  From the beginning of the video to the 5 minutes, the 4s at best - not professionalism, at worst, a frank juggling of facts; on the whole (otherwise, the video is true), this BEING does not cause positive for us, Russians - who live under the occupation of fascists.

                  1. Karlsonn
                    Karlsonn 29 May 2014 02: 26
                    +4


                    Civil - nationalist war in Ukraine porashnikov will never end.

                    In fact, I personally think hard about emigration right now - I could not even imagine in a nightmare that I would live in a fascist state, that they could fire me, arrest me, kill me and that the worst thing would be to cause harm to my family because that I am Russian and I am a communist.

                    But it’s not so easy for fascists to defeat soldier , the addresses of the pilots and their relatives (who bombed our people) are known, all who are their fascists publicly exposed - the same is under control.

                    The fascists thought (threatening, beating, humiliating family members (women and children) of the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine) that only they could do that? belay

                    Red Terror - open.

                    Comrad - coolboy before pouring guan on us, think.
                    We do not have freedom of speech, and the one who denigrates us can meet with us.

                    At the moment, we have criminals, looters, punishers and others, and others --- are not spared.

                    Think about it.



                    Here is the video of my comrade.

                    Comrade if you are against us - Russians in Ukraine what do not be surprised.

                    I have already quit the ranks; like all my fighting comrades;
                    sorry for the mentoring tone, but:
                    - Do not attract our attention to yourself. stop
                    1. demon184
                      demon184 29 May 2014 12: 55
                      +1
                      And these stsuki want to return Crimea ???
              2. loaf
                loaf 28 May 2014 13: 49
                +19
                I completely agree. They are also waiting for Putin to come and put things in order, and thousands of healthy men protest with posters. Relatives from Donetsk cry and ask why we are silent and do not go to the aid of the troops.
                1. tomket
                  tomket 28 May 2014 14: 51
                  +1
                  and you want to see in YouTube how the crowds of men with pitchforks are falling beveled by a burst of armored personnel carriers ???
                  1. Bayonet
                    Bayonet 28 May 2014 16: 41
                    +27
                    No damn, now we'll send our boys to the machine guns, and the "men with pitchforks" will look out the window - who is who.
                2. ele1285
                  ele1285 28 May 2014 14: 59
                  +11
                  Quote: mik
                  They are also waiting for Putin to come and put things in order.

                  Are you a rag man, or is this your social position? Who are you waiting for? I can't "" myself, help me.
                  Do not marry, do not fuck, do not multiply. Rude, but what to whine.
                3. Denimax
                  Denimax 28 May 2014 17: 16
                  0
                  What are they pulling? They helped to secede and the conflict would be settled. Then everything will be forgotten and the usual needs for trade and business relations will return.
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                  2. Andriuha077
                    Andriuha077 28 May 2014 21: 11
                    +4
                    Official DPR appeal to Russian President Putin V.V., 28.05.2014

                    Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, Russians! Guided by the norms of international law, the Convention on the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, as well as the right of the people to self-determination, the inhabitants of Donbass overwhelmingly defined the status of the DPR as an independent state unit. From that moment, Ukraine has become an aggressive neighbor for us.

                    http://warfiles.ru/58540-oficialnoe-obraschenie-dnr-k-prezidentu-rf-putinu-vv-28
                    052014.html
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7LYUavRyc
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 28 May 2014 21: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Andriuha077
                      Official DPR appeal to Russian President Putin V.V., 28.05.2014



                      The Kremlin did not receive a request from the leadership of the DPR for help
                      http://vz.ru/news/2014/5/28/688865.html
                      1. Andriuha077
                        Andriuha077 28 May 2014 21: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: Apollon
                        The Kremlin did not receive a request from the leadership of the DPR for help
                        vz


                        vz - not the Kremlin

                        28 May Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
                        sent a note to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine:
                        the Russian side receives urgent appeals from citizens and organizations located in the conflict zone in the eastern regions of Ukraine
                        as a result of military actions there are human casualties and numerous victims
                        requesting urgent humanitarian assistance
                        First of all, with medicines and medical preparations.

                        It was emphasized that the Russian side is ready to provide the population in the above-mentioned regions with the required assistance, and in this regard, the Ukrainian side was offered as soon as possible

                        28.05.2014 14: 50: 34
                        http://mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/C9327A0D2321B7E644257CE6003B8FEE
                        http://warfiles.ru/show-58534-o-note-mid-rossii-otnositelno-napravleniya-gumanit
                        arnoy-pomoschi-naseleniyu-vostochnyh-regionov-ukrainy.html
                      2. Apollo
                        Apollo 28 May 2014 21: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Andriuha077
                        vz - not the Kremlin

                        I agree.
                        Quote: Andriuha077
                        the Russian side receives urgent appeals from of citizens и of organizations,

                        and I wrote
                        Quote: Apollon
                        DNR leadership

                        Well...........?!
                    2. ATATA
                      ATATA 28 May 2014 23: 23
                      +8
                      Quote: Apollon
                      The Kremlin did not receive a request from the leadership of the DPR for help

                      I can’t read all this!
                      It hurts me !!!!
                      It was also painful on 21.08.91.
                      When I realized that the GKChP, this is a circus for suckers, that would destroy the USSR.
                      They tear up my Motherland, humiliate my loved ones, and my rulers consider grandmothers in your pocket and refer to international opinion, a world thief.
                      Nasty and painful!
                    3. the same cat
                      the same cat 29 May 2014 00: 33
                      +9
                      You would have been even more painful if you heard the news from the field (30 km from Lugansk) Recently Turchinov conducted an amnesty. Lads came up with heavy articles. In the evening it’s scary to go, but it won’t get on the news. Today, Kolomoysha called on the criminal authorities of Yu-V and ordered criminal terror to discredit the militias. He was promised all possible support in business. And the pilot-participants of the massacre In Donesk
                      land plots. These are commodity-money relations, blood does not count ..
                    4. D.V.
                      D.V. 29 May 2014 05: 58
                      +1
                      This speaks about their weaknesses. Ready to grab any straw would lie afloat. And at the expense of the pilots, I initially wondered who had the guts to get into the cockpit and kill their brothers with high impunity. And she is much easier and more terrible. Not an idea, not a revolutionary impulse, but just licked selfish interest. Do they really not understand that sooner or later they will have to answer for all this. The soul warms one lig. And I hope that such units.
                  3. komod77
                    komod77 29 May 2014 03: 10
                    0
                    Yeah. It is necessary to inflict a devastating blow! About whom? In the Donbass, if you still do not understand, RUSSIANS are at war with RUSSIAN !!! Do you want to multiply the number of Russian coffins by the Russian army? You, when you read something or watch, sometimes use your head !!!
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                  5. mellehova
                    mellehova 29 May 2014 23: 09
                    0
                    For whom should thousands of Russian soldiers and officers die ?! Doom yourself to complete isolation from the West, subsequently drag yourself into a guerrilla war for decades, receive terrorist attacks throughout the Russian Federation, the collapse of the economy, after the introduction of these sanctions, with the impoverishment of the entire population, as a result - a coup, the coming to power of new anti-leaders, the collapse of the Russian Federation. Including the loss of Crimea ..
                    For those who are now sitting at home and drinking beer? I have many friends, but they are indignant, sympathize, I say go, help the guys. After all, if not them, there will be no hope of returning to a sovereign state! Colonia is our future ...
                    Yeah ... we dispersed ...
                    They say that Russia will help !!!

                    But when your country gets involved in this war and you personally lose stability, salaries, hope for a promising future ... You will be the first to blame your president !!!!!!!!!!!
            2. mihasik
              mihasik 28 May 2014 23: 35
              +2
              What are they pulling? They helped to secede and the conflict would be settled. Then everything will be forgotten and the usual needs for trade and business relations will return.

              If they help the East to secede, then they will not be able to help the rest on the remaining territory occupied by the Americans (Ukraine as a country no longer exists). What should normal people do, who will remain in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev, and even in Lvov? People were intimidated. But they DO NOT touch them YET only because all the attention is now on the East of Ukraine. If the East falls, the rest will be staged a "quiet" genocide, until the country is completely banderized under the control of the State Department.
              PS Information has already appeared that the State Department gave Poroshenko carte blanche for two or three thousand corpses, if only the punitive operation was completed as soon as possible. Naturally, the victory of the "Kiev junta".
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            4. mellehova
              mellehova 29 May 2014 23: 01
              0
              Germany is a federation. USA is a federation. Russia is a federation. Is it bad? I do not like unitary countries. Unitarity destroys midtones.

              For North Germans, Bavaria is abroad.
              But at the same time, in Bavaria there are no such separatist sentiments as in the Spanish Basque or Catalonia, British Ireland or Moldavian Transnistria. No one calls for the secession or creation of an independent state, even regional nationalist movements practically do not exist.

              Another hallmark of Bavaria is religion. While the majority of believers in Northern and Central Germany are Protestants, in Bavaria almost 70% belong to the Roman Catholic Church.
              Language is another difference between Bavaria and the rest of Germany. He is so unlike conventional German that when the Bavarians communicate with each other, only a few words are understood by a resident of another part of Germany ..

              ... and after all Donbass asked from the beginning only federalization ... more rights ... did not hear!
          2. mellehova
            mellehova 29 May 2014 22: 55
            0
            For six months Ukraine has been living in a state of intense tension, economic, political and emotional. Lives in fear ...
            Putin cannot and should not fight for the happiness of people living in Ukraine who do not consider themselves people of the Russian world. For all Russian-speaking regions, the moment of truth comes. You have to decide who you are all the same? Russian or ancient Ukrainians? Or maybe ordinary sly * opy Ukrainians? In fact of the matter. The vast majority of the Russian-speaking population is waiting for a miracle ...
            Do not wait ... There will be no miracles !!!
            Most likely the situation in Ukraine in the near future will be so aggravated that all Ukrainians from Lev to Donetsk will wait for the Russian army with flowers and snot with happiness! Waiting for ...
        2. Naum
          Naum 30 May 2014 15: 56
          0
          They made the Donetsk miners angry! Miners of that and look their angry “well, well” and “ayayay” will say. Yes, they will threaten them with a finger. Terrible! .. belay
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      3. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 27
        +5
        But where is the territory of New Russia and the support of residents? the southeast did not rebel, we are talking about 2 problem areas, a big butch is only in Donetsk, so it’s all written with a pitchfork on the water
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 28 May 2014 21: 53
          +1
          Miners of Donbass took part in a protest against the military operation of Kiev

          DONETSK, May 28. / ITAR-TASS /. The miners of Donbass took place on May 28 in Donetsk in protest against the military operation carried out by Kiev in the east of the country. The number of participants in the demonstration, according to various estimates, ranges from 1 thousand to 3 thousand people.

          The First Deputy Minister of Coal Industry of the proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Konstantin Kuzmin told 27 in May to an ITAR-TASS correspondent that the miners of Donbass declare an indefinite strike and demand the withdrawal of Ukrainian security officials from the Donetsk region.

          International panorama
          28 May, 14: 28 UTC + 4
          http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1221335
          http://warfiles.ru/show-58532-shahtery-donbassa-vyshli-na-akciyu-protesta-protiv
          -silovoy-operacii-kieva.html
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 28 May 2014 23: 25
          0
          Quote: coolboy
          But where is the territory of New Russia and the support of residents? the southeast did not rebel, we are talking about 2 problem areas, a big butch is only in Donetsk, so it’s all written with a pitchfork on the water

          Yes, even if fascist brigades come to Tula, there will be no uprising, do you need a million victims to find a reason to shorten the bandits?
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 29 May 2014 02: 37
          0
          Quote: coolboy
          the southeast did not rebel, we are talking about 2 problem areas, a big butch is only in Donetsk, so it’s all written with a pitchfork on the water

          In others, they managed to crush while ...
          1. yehat
            yehat 29 May 2014 13: 01
            +1
            it's not that they crushed
            the fact is that in Ukraine everyone is completely hit
            "let them figure it out without me." The junta from Kiev is balancing on this -
            gave them a reason to think that everything can be done and HIS personally will not be touched.
            Along the way, the reprisal against resistance is advertised.
            That's all and mous. An active position will arise if someone has the will and strength to convey the truth that it is impossible to hide or when the authorities make a blunder that convincingly shows that it will be so.
            I think the last attacks of Donetsk are very close to this blunder.
      4. Larusik
        Larusik 28 May 2014 15: 20
        +1
        There are no disputed territories for tan on Ukra. Enough to listen to Saki - everything is fine in Ukra, everything is correct and it is necessary that way!
      5. Erg
        Erg 28 May 2014 19: 06
        0
        In this case, they will. Now the states have bitten a bit ...
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      7. macarque
        macarque 29 May 2014 17: 59
        0
        This is called politics. Black in the white house wanted laws. And he will want while they with a parashkin from Kiev on the eater are not tapping. Russia has nothing to do with troops there, but it’s time, or even volunteers, to help normal EW and air defense systems. better to help the southeast than give pedrils from Kiev discounts.
    2. zzz
      zzz 28 May 2014 11: 27
      +4
      Attention, Donbass is merged here https://www.facebook.com/plandnr
    3. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 26
      -32%
      it’s not the matter, now people in Ukraine (pro-Ukrainian minded), seeing what is happening in the Donetsk region and the annexation of Crimea, no longer believe in Russia and want to hide under the NATO umbrella, if earlier this idea did not gain the support of the majority, now most regions will probably support introduction.
      1. smile
        smile 28 May 2014 13: 46
        +15
        coolboy
        Truth? Is that why all the European integrators and super-independents pushed Ukraine to both nature and Europe? What, for twenty years they knew about it? Or, back in 41, did these nosradamuses understand our warlike nature and escaped to hide under the fascist umbrella?
        It’s just that Ukraine has never had such total propaganda, which poured on his head this year. The junta’s leaders were all in kind, and it would be strange if, seizing power by force, they would change their aspirations and not try to impose their point of view on the Ukrainians.
        Here you are, with a blue eye, trying to talk about "annexation", about an umbrella. Their propaganda also does not tell Ukrainians that Crimea simply fled to Russia from the Nazis, on the contrary, it screams about annexation.
        1. Kar Karych
          Kar Karych 28 May 2014 14: 10
          +8
          coolboy No one takes Ukraine to Europe. The maximum that Ukraine can receive upon entry is the death of Ukrainian soldiers somewhere in Africa no more. There are no economic preferences, one debt hole. Now about confidence, when people elect the oligarch as president, yes it is a lot of trust.
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 29
            -13%
            I wrote about NATO - by the way, they will not be accepted into it quickly either, Ukraine is not sugar, and until it looks like a device for a middle European country, they are unlikely to be taken.

            a political association has already been signed with the EU, the new president will sign an economic one, goods that coexist with EU requirements can already be imported (although there are probably not many), but the EU market is huge and rich, there are technologies, stability and a comfortable future. It is clear that this is not all right away, but you must agree that the bait is tempting. Now the question is what do they see in the vehicle?

            Regarding the new president, the fact that he is still a fruit is understandable; this is a necessary measure. Ukraine needs to organize and survive, along with updating the government. The previous government was completely lost - it robbed the whole country and destroyed the economy, people want change.
            1. Kar Karych
              Kar Karych 28 May 2014 16: 19
              0
              And what market are you talking about for Ukraine? Have you read the contract? In addition to rapeseed straws, they won’t be able to produce anything, your pipe rolling is not competitive, and in order to start production, you need at least some cash infusion. Here you have the Western market. Especially since unemployment in the European Union is large, your market for them is simply a territory of consumption, and for them new jobs.
              1. coolboy
                coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 36
                -5
                well, it’s not quite so, let’s say our agricultural products are taken, which engineering industry will survive, and then we need to rebuild the economy for information and services, and not rely on engineering in Germany or China. The fact that there will be some tryndets - so he has already come, something must be radically changed, the mechanisms needed are just as in wealthy countries. If only theft is clamped every 2-3 times, Ukraine will reach the level of Eastern European countries, since in Ukraine almost everything has its own and good for life critical, and everything else can be bought, Ukrainians can survive and earn literate people. need to give people the opportunity

                and even cooperation with Russia is extremely important for Ukraine, there are fools who do not understand this, but in vain. But here the bilateral process cannot make the economy a hostage to politics. For a long time it was possible to give orders for AN, ships, missiles and tie them to an economy like Germany, which does not want to impose sanctions, but only threatens ...
                1. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 28 May 2014 20: 09
                  +3
                  = coolboy "Well, not quite like that, let's say they will take our agricultural products, even what kind of mechanical engineering will survive, and then the economy needs to be rebuilt into an information and service one, not to compete in mechanical engineering with Germany or China."
                  What a friend you dreamer Crimean.))) The Bulgarians and Hungarians take agricultural products.))) They will also take yours.)))
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 May 2014 21: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: coolboy
                  and even cooperation with Russia is extremely important for Ukraine, there are fools who do not understand this, but in vain. But here the bilateral process cannot make the economy a hostage to politics. For a long time it was possible to give orders for AN, ships, missiles and tie them to an economy like Germany, which does not want to impose sanctions, but only threatens ...

                  Do you want Russia to develop the economy of a state hostile to us? Why on earth?
                3. Suhow
                  Suhow 29 May 2014 01: 26
                  0
                  Ukraine is also one of the leaders in grain export. But if you look back, after the collapse of the USSR, everyone rushed to the west and the industry collapsed, and how many factories died. (Machine-building industry), joining the remaining EU will produce only rare units.
                4. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 29 May 2014 07: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: coolboy
                  let's say our agricultural products will be taken

                  Have you heard about quotas for agricultural production in the EU? Who will let you turn around.
                  Quote: coolboy
                  in Ukraine, from the critical, almost everything has its own and not bad for life, and everything else can be bought,

                  And excuse me - for what the hell, you are starving - only debts!
                  Quote: coolboy
                  and cooperation with Russia is extremely important for Ukraine

                  That’s where your whole breed is - screaming at MOSKalyaku on a junk and immediately help, collaborate. But the pipes! We have someone to collaborate with.
                5. bloknot
                  bloknot 29 May 2014 17: 04
                  +1
                  You know, I haven’t seen such huge collapses with second-hand products like in Ukraine ANYWHERE! Geyrope is expensive to utilize this trash. Many dill are also traded in this. ...
                  And soon the Americans will start dumping radioactive waste on them. They will also start convincing that it’s all for the good ... Debt must be paid!
                  Now their place, exactly at PARASHA.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 28 May 2014 18: 07
            +3
            But tell me, what is the previous government: Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yane? Now look, those people who are now in the so-called government were in all previous governments. Well, they can be changed by ministries. So, how were the thieves in power like that and stayed.
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 38
              -5
              no one argues with this, and that and the speech that there is no junta, the power is all the same as it was and climbed allegedly "legitimately". It is important that renewal mechanisms have now been launched and there is a hope that life will change for the better, because politicians are now very afraid, unlike Yanyk, they will be demolished very quickly, you will have to do something for the people!
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 51
                +3
                Quote: coolboy
                update mechanisms are now running

                What are the mechanisms?
                There will simply be a president, not an acting one. !
                I’m just wondering if you don’t know that the Party of Regions was created with the money of Poroshenko and Yanukovych in essence his creature?
              2. coolboy
                coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 07
                -5
                What are the mechanisms?


                simple - Ukrainians now do not tolerate chaos for a long time, they quickly take power from their offices, including by force, but this is barbarism, and this is a mess - however, if the government itself does not want to blame, it is necessary to force, there is no other solution yet.

                the fact is that acting was not perceived as a president who has all the power and can kick. Now he can resolve issues faster.

                you exaggerate the possibility of Poroshenko, the fact that he is cunning and everywhere noted and created a backup airfield for landing, in the event of a failure of his strength, this does not mean that he steers the topic. In the Party of Regions they rule other oligarchs, let us call them the southeastern - metal, coal, chemistry, theft from the budget. He is a boy compared to them, see the list of rich or influential people and how Yanyk drove him as a boy. Right now, the gang of the parties of the regions wants to ram up, but they are resisting. And it was they who raised the first wave of excitement along the Southeast using the admin. apparatus. It was the party of regions that hung up noodles about friendship with Russia, instead robbed the people and betrayed them in difficult times. The rest act more consistently
              3. Ulus5
                Ulus5 28 May 2014 21: 29
                +5
                Quote: coolboy
                simple - Ukrainians now do not tolerate chaos for a long time, quickly take power from their offices, including by force, but this is barbarism, and this is a mess - however, if the government itself does not want to blame, it is necessary to force, there is no other solution yet

                Not for nothing they say, simplicity is worse than theft. Yes, your entire people's Maidan does not cost anything without pouring in the money from your own oligarchs, who decided to tackle the redistribution of property, and from American leaders.
                Well now tell me, nah ..., in the sense of why the Americans again pour the loot into the new Maidan, if the maydaunas have completed the task. Money will flow there when your power does not do what is ordered from overseas.
                All that I said lies on the surface, simply from the laws of geopolitics. And only stubborn Ukrainians do not want to notice this.
              4. Suhow
                Suhow 29 May 2014 01: 40
                0
                I agree, many people say that Gunpowder poured money into the Maidan
        2. Erg
          Erg 28 May 2014 19: 16
          +1
          It’s very naive of you to think so. You are very kind yes
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 29 May 2014 07: 31
          0
          Quote: coolboy
          It is important that update mechanisms are now running

          What? Bandera movement?
    4. ochakow703
      ochakow703 28 May 2014 19: 23
      +5
      But I don’t understand one thing, in order to change my country for the better, do I have to go to Geyrop and America? I won't say anything about the old government, but the new one will lead the country to a "bright future" (when the movie ends, the screen turns white)
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 47
        +1
        it’s true, but somehow it doesn’t work out with Russia, with all sympathy. Maybe imperial politics makes itself felt. The fact is that in the Russian Federation this priority is the state, and people want a person to be in the first place, then politics will be different. And in the Russian Federation it all depends on the leader - now he’s better, but if another EBN comes, tryndets again, why do people need this swing?
    5. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 28 May 2014 20: 22
      +2
      Quote: coolboy
      The previous government was completely lost - it robbed the whole country and destroyed the economy, people want change.

      you forgot the campaign that sought on the Maidan? to drive the oligarchs out of power ... and then bam! chose another oligarch))) replaced the awl for soap
  • coolboy
    coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 24
    -8
    Well, yes there is a topic for discussion, the fact is that Russia used to perceive it exclusively as a country that will help and protect. Now Ukraine is under the pressure of the Russian Federation, this plays into the hands of anti-Russian forces. Yes, they took away Crimea (it would not have gone far as much as possible, it would become independent, because it was accepted), but now relations with Ukraine have been spoiled for many years (was it worth it?), That's why Ukraine is being spat on the forum from head to toe, because it’s clear that there is already enmity and nothing to lose. This is all bad!
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 28 May 2014 14: 59
      +11
      Crimea is saved. The states are to fight for Ukraine: they need more victims. They just need a pretext to accuse Russia of being an aggressor (the story with Iraq), and for this the "orange" were not enough, but the Natsiks were not enough. The NATO umbrella does not exist in nature: NATO membership is a privilege to die before Washington dies. Even with the most flattering relations between the Russian Federation and a NATO country, the latter will be destroyed due to a conflict with any other NATO country. For the NATO country, there is no other weapon, except for special weapons of mass destruction, until complete destruction. NATO membership is a guarantee of the complete destruction of this country in a preventive manner, even with a hint of the beginning of a conflict between the Russian Federation and the states. This is the kind of "umbrella" NATO is. Unlike NATO countries, other countries have a chance to survive in the event of a global conflict.
      Well, to help the DPR, it is necessary to call the Friends of New Russia, and help financially and lethally. At least the Natsiks lit up themselves and they should not have a place in this world.
    2. smile
      smile 28 May 2014 15: 03
      +8
      coolboy
      Even if they hadn't hit a finger. looking at what the junta and its supporters are doing with the Russians in Ukraine, they would still completely "spoil" relations with us. They did not hide their slogans - about mos..kh, which they shouted at knives and gilyak long before the Crimea. The fact that they will lead Ukraine into nature was also voiced by them earlier. So that we squeezed out of the bad situation for us everything that is possible, and that is impossible, too.
      Therefore, in the very formulation of the question - "was it worth it?" you perform the miracles of balancing act by placing the blame on us. It's a lie. We are not guilty of that, we did not start it all, so that the question is not for us, but for those who made this mess.
      And yet, it is not Ukraine who is spit on, but the fascist absolutely Russophobic regime established there and those who fell under its propaganda. Or do you think that we should kiss them in the gums, and then Bandera will treat us favorably?
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 17
        -8
        it seems you are confusing Mosk-al is not equal to Russian, Mosk-al - this type of chauvinistic cattle, who considers himself the best, and spits on others, simultaneously humiliating and destroying. The attitude towards Russians is not bad in general, for example, I am not angry with insults and delusions from some and I do not extend the idiocy of some to the whole people. Also, contradictions between nations have been and will be, you are now spinning the flywheel of accusations indiscriminately accusing of "the fascist absolutely Russophobic regime that was becoming there," and what facts, I'm interested in reading? what exactly is fascist and Russophobic? The fact that not all of this started is a rhetorical question, let's speak honestly, all these fairy tales about the fraternal people, mutual assistance was told earlier when Ukraine was pro-Russian, now they are trying to crush Ukraine under themselves by force, the fact is that you are defending the interests of the Russian Federation, this is normal, Ukraine's interests are now different, but you are not interested in people. Only interests like NATO, missile defense, territory, for you this is a buffer zone at the mercy of - the option with Transnistria and instability will suit you, since you do not need a strong Ukraine and why are you shaking the situation? I do not want to lose the Slavic people, you can understand it. but here is how they melted with Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states, having arranged there in the end a mess. Now the people there remember this and take out their grievances against the Russian Federation, they ask the meaning of the use of force, if the country has left anyway and now relations are bad. It's better to let go of the GDR exactly, now it's friendship and the main partner with Germany. How do you think now how Ukraine will be treated and what kind of future relations with Russia do you want to keep everyone in your abstract world by force and threat? I would like relations with Russia to be good and calm without accusations and an older brother who supposedly knows how to do it and imposes his own rules.
        1. the villain
          the villain 28 May 2014 17: 29
          +4
          Quote: coolboy
          mosk-al - this type of chauvinistic cattle who considers himself the best, and spits on others, simultaneously humiliating and destroying.

          Sorry, but at this point I’m hanging. You, for sure, wrote about Americans, because another state
          Quote: coolboy
          considering himself the best, and spitting on others, simultaneously humiliating and destroying.

          something is somehow not observed on our ball.
        2. smile
          smile 28 May 2014 19: 38
          +5
          coolboy
          You described not m..lya. and a good Ukrainian self-reliant ... :))) you don’t tell me tales - my relatives live in Ukraine, and they are Ukrainians. I believe them more than you. And also I more than you believe in your media - that's who loves us very much ... everyone. :)))
          And nobody rivets on all Ukrainian people. all our negativity to that part of it. what you now dictates the will to the rest-namely on the Nazis and Bandera.
          And in order to understand that your entire top is completely phagistic - it was enough just to watch a direct video of speakers from the Maidan, on which all more or less significant personalities were noted ... You did not hear and did not know what they were carrying there? Tell me, how to speak honestly and frankly with you if you lie in my face? How?
          And then. that Ukrainians are brotherly people - yes, that’s not true. Ukrainians are simply part of the Russian people, which at the end of the 19th century and at the beginning of the 20th separated themselves. That's all. Any literate person knows this very little. And no one would touch Ukraine - they would continue to sponsor you, if the owners of your current government didn’t think enough of this and bring the junta to power. Therefore, I repeat - all questions to them.
          And stop lying about the Baltic states and about the collapse of the USSR in general; all your analytega is not worth a damn, I say this as a person. while living in the Baltic countries - parents still live there. And do not lie about Poland. my relatives live there four times more. than in Ukraine. You, apparently, just have no idea what was going on there. I want to burst out laughing in your face. :)))
          But I know very well how Ukraine will relate - when the Nazis were eager for power, they did not hide how they relate to us. Now they seized power - they didn’t stop treating differently. Regardless of what we do or do not do. The junta, having completely destroyed the economy of what was called Ukraine before their intervention, will fly off. A part of Ukrainians duped by propaganda will continue to hate us (it was explained to them from the kindergarten that we are invaders), and a part will sober up. You are not sober up. It is obvious. Bye.
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 51
            0
            already interesting
            But you can read more where I lied - I never saw

            here 2) what is it to you that your relatives of the secret told about Ukraine?

            3) it is interesting to listen to what people in the Baltic states and Poland say, they are local there or from the Russian Federation

            I don’t need to talk about my sobriety, I’m right here in a dialogue, analyze what they say, while I hear some cliches, I want to hear something from myself!

            generally waiting for info
          2. smile
            smile 28 May 2014 21: 54
            +5
            coolboy
            I’m short, you’re tired of me. :)))
            1. You lied everywhere.
            2. My Ukrainian relatives say the same thing that I say here.
            3. In Poland and Scotland - the Poles. Parents, three sisters and a granny's brother moved from near Vilna in 46, not wanting to live under the hated Russians. They fell under Vilna as precipitators - the uncle of the granny and my great-grandfather, as legionnaires, received under Vilnius the land taken from the Lithuanians in the territory of Lithuania seized by Zheligovsky. Granny committed a crime - she married a Soviet officer! Communist !!! Ukrainian !!!!! (the last - the most humiliating) :))) Until the 60s - defiantly did not communicate. Now we visit each other quite often, and more often to me than to my grandmother and mother, who live in Klaipeda. I did not want to return to Lithuania and live in the Kaliningrad region.
            Near the Vilnius TV tower on Suderves Street, my mother’s aunt is living. At work, Mom came across Boleslav Makutynovich, and our families talked a little.
            Why am I saying this? - to the fact that I can know a lot from personal observations and the observations of those whom I trust.
            It is not very clear to admit that you expect "from yourself" - you yourself speak in cliches. And designed for quite illiterate people, do you want us to write detailed comments on each of your nonsense, which takes half a line? Why waste time on you? When you are caught in nonsense, you prefer not to notice it .... :)))
            And in general, do not pretend ... what information are you waiting for? You haven't even specified a single question. And you yourself do not give out any "information" - so, the usual chewed-chewed cliches.
            Before the video, you really bothered me.
          3. Apollo
            Apollo 28 May 2014 21: 59
            +1
            Quote: smile
            I’m short, you’re tired of me.

            then why did you paint Vladimir
            Quote: smile
            1. You lied everywhere.

            .......................
            Quote: smile
            Before the video, you really bothered me.

            Go to ignore.
          4. smile
            smile 29 May 2014 00: 36
            +2
            Apollo
            Hello.
            I already have one of my colleagues on this occasion expressed bewilderment in PM. I will answer you something like him.
            The guy is smart, knows how to control himself, to defend his position. Worth respect. But the enemy. Aware of this.
            At one time I talked with such people and even drank :))) with different people - with Poles, with Lithuanians, with Chechens ... personally, they did not cause any emotions in me - the enemy is an enemy, he has such a job (naturally, I I did not conflict with them - there was no need, and it was not in my habits) but what they preached, I have for a long time only caused cold fury ... this is personal ... under the flag raised by people like them, they acted much their more "simple" followers ... and the results of their activities I did not like at all ...
            Currently, in Novorossia, under the influence of such people, simple guys from the Ukrainian Army are acting, who believe people like him .... we see everything ...
            because I don’t always want to pull myself and ignore, and answer briefly, as I would like, it doesn’t work out. probably with laconicism - byad :))) ... but for some reason I don’t want people like him to think that they have nothing to answer ... and even read it really in scrap ... I understand that this is unreasonable, but such is my opinion. :))))
            And about the fact that he lied everywhere - This is also my opinion. To refute each proposal, you have to write such a voluminous commentary as the one to which you answered .... In principle, I can, but it seems that it makes no sense. Especially. that he himself understands where he is telling a lie.
            So it goes.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 May 2014 21: 07
    +4
    Quote: coolboy
    I do not want to lose the Slavic people, you can understand it

    The Slavic people are Russians, the other Slavic peoples are fragments from Russians, more Russians than the rest of the Slavs combined.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 28 May 2014 22: 30
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      The Slavic people are Russians, the other Slavic peoples are fragments from Russians, more Russians than the rest of the Slavs combined.
      Just like the Pan-Turkists laughing
      So, if your scheme is imposed on the Türks, then there will be:
      The Turkic (Turkish) people are Turks, the other Turkic peoples are fragments from the Turks, and there are more tyrks than the other Turks combined.
      Those. the rest of the Turkic peoples - Kazakhs, Bashkirs, Tatars, Azeris, Nogayls, Krymly, and others. Fragments from Tyrkov ?! repeat
  • Motors1991
    Motors1991 28 May 2014 17: 29
    -16%
    Uncle, are you probably a real general? Maybe he was even a political officer of the battalion, the level is correct, the line of the Party is explained correctly, and this line is very flexible and not everyone can do this. Here you are all cursing NATO, the EU, but you can’t explain how Vladimir is Vladimirovich Putin was on vacation not in the Crimea, but in enemy Spain, and his daughters live in the gay European Netherlands and Belgium ??? Or at least someone farted here on the site about yesterday’s proposal of the Vice President of the PRC on introducing ,, efficient, and ,, peaceful ,, Chinese for the development of Siberia, mind you, the proposal came right after the signing of the “fateful” gas agreement with China. One must think that the Chinese do not doubt that you yourself will not build a gas pipeline without their help, therefore you will immediately receive an advance payment so that later they didn’t jump inadvertently. They will give you all the same pieces of paper cursed by you, bonds of the US Treasury, and in return they will get real gas for themselves. This is the TOP CLASS, and the question arises, who does Putin serve? Russia or the State Council of China? I rely on the second option, otherwise his actions are inexplicable, unless of course his roof has completely fallen off. Here is a political leader and enlighten us fools, which is the Party's General Line. I think this is not an empty phrase for you.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 47
      +3
      Quote: Motors1991
      how is it that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was on vacation not in Crimea, but in enemy Spain, and his daughters live in the gay European Netherlands and Belgium ???

      You would have changed the record. Hackneyed.
      Quote: Motors1991
      enlighten us fools

      Self-critical, but why immediately about everyone, and not just about yourself?
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 28 May 2014 19: 36
        -1
        The record is hackneyed, I don’t argue, but I don’t see any intelligible explanations.
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 28 May 2014 19: 45
        0
        Quote: Motors1991
        I don’t see any intelligible explanations.

        Please answer intelligently to the question _ Why on Fridays do you beat your wife?
  • smile
    smile 28 May 2014 19: 52
    +8
    Motors1991
    No, pazzan, I'm not a general, and not a political officer. I have an ambiguous attitude towards the political leaders, but I could not be one, since I am 71 years old. :))) Imagine, I was not even a communist ... :)))
    Because all your stupid things about me, bad, have no meaning. :))
    Well, even the most stupid oppositionists no longer raise a fairy tale about Putin’s daughters - they are ashamed to use such rubbish instead of arguments ... But you don’t have anything - just right. :)))
    And do not worry about Putin - in general, the Ukrainian segment is overly worried and suffering for him, when China will enslave us ... I personally inform you about the gifted ones. that now Russia will end, our enemies do not tire of broadcasting for half a millennium, and serious enemies, and not some miserable bandarlogs ... But we survived all. And continue to stand, do not worry. :))) And your opinion is who we serve there. in general it’s anecdotal and costs nothing ... in general, even laziness to answer it - you won’t even understand survival - there’s not enough RAM.
    I recommend to stop dreaming. and start thinking with your head - otherwise you’ll dream the whole country.
    But I am not going to educate durrracs - I have a different kind of activity. Sami somehow get out .... :)))
    1. Motors1991
      Motors1991 28 May 2014 20: 15
      -13%
      I’m already old enough for a kid. Do not meddle in our affairs and we won’t worry about you or your Putin. I asked you specific questions, and you, as a political officer: We will defeat everyone. For some reason, the Soviet Union was very much more afraid weak at that time China, and you, the “heroes,” are not afraid, well, well, wait and see.
    2. Motors1991
      Motors1991 28 May 2014 20: 43
      -2
      I want to add that I was a member of the Communist Party and joined it when your Yeltsins, Rogozins, Marks Zakharov fled from it, I still remember how Zakharov burned his party membership card on television and imagined himself a hero, and now this one took care of the revival of the Union, I thought that he died a long time ago, but he turns out to be alive.
    3. smile
      smile 28 May 2014 21: 27
      0
      Motors1991
      I didn’t expect you to be able to write something worthwhile. But no. I was wrong. I completely agree with what you wrote in this comment. And with the attitude to the characters you mentioned - too. +
    4. samuil60
      samuil60 29 May 2014 11: 52
      +4
      When did you burn your party card, say? Times are changing, and we are changing with them ... In Ukraine, your grandfathers shed blood for our common homeland, fighting fascism, and you, the current ones, betraying your ancestors, applaud standing the same fascists. And to slander Putin from the swamp in which you, dear, are now sitting, is simply stupid. Your country, which was once part of the mighty Russian empire, is simply dying, and it was not Putin who did it, but you yourself. But you so want to be the bedding (but of the sacred WEST!) That you are even ready for suicide. There is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked ...
  • smile
    smile 28 May 2014 21: 25
    +2
    Motors1991
    You turned to me - "uncle", therefore you recognized yourself as a kid ... and now you are indignant ... you have a split personality?

    And you asked me no questions, you stated statements that, by the way, are not worth a damn. If you call it specifics, then it’s time for you to give a disability pension .... :)))
    Well, dragons about the USSR’s fear of China, discuss in your circle of hydrocephalus .... not, well, the truth is, duplication of such nonsense will only discredit you. After this, even if a grain of truth slip through your words, they won’t perceive it - too lazy to poke around in the trash heap in search of the lost silver ring .... especially since it most likely is not there .... :)))
    Improve yourself, you must lie more inventively, and not slide down to the level of Jehovah's Witnesses. :)))
    And you are right in the only thing - we will wait and see. :))) You just have to wait a long time for our collapse ... or are you a relative of the Tortilla tortoise? :)))
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 28 May 2014 20: 16
    +5
    Motors1991 "Presumably, the Chinese do not doubt that you yourself will not build that gas pipeline without their help, and therefore they immediately give an advance payment, so that they do not accidentally jump off later."
    I have already heard similar crap about the construction of the Nord Stream gas pipeline. Deer already change the plate.))) Who is, what is capable of showing the latest events. Including the collapse of your understate.
    1. Motors1991
      Motors1991 28 May 2014 20: 37
      -10%
      Laying a gas pipeline along the seabed and in uninhabited mountainous and wooded areas is two different things. In 1979, as part of a student construction team, I worked for 2 months on the construction of KSki (compressor station) No. 19 in the village of Noyabrsky, now the city of Noyabrsk, and represent the difficulties of building a pipeline in such places. It’s not for you to put a gas station on Rublevka. And as for our under-state, it will live, I have no doubt about this, including thanks to your help
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    3. Sergey Medvedev
      Sergey Medvedev 29 May 2014 13: 40
      +1
      Recently published a decree by Yaytsenyuk on the assignment to each minister of an EU adviser (overseer). So there is no longer an independent Ukraine. Died. We have no Chinese political leaders in the government. GLORY TO OUR FATHERLAND!
    4. Ulus5
      Ulus5 30 May 2014 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Motors1991
      Laying a gas pipeline along the seabed and uninhabited mountainous-wooded areas are two different things.

      I have a brother-in-law in Gazpromneft, a pipe works across Siberia (or rather it has already stretched it) and can do anything without the Chinese. So sho you for us Siberians do not worry.
  • Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 28 May 2014 16: 22
    +7
    What kind of press, you probably forgot how much Russia gave at the beginning of the crisis, Europe has not offered anything like that to you yet. To bite the hand of the giver, and then try to chop off the same hand with an ax, I am already beginning to think that it is in Ukrainian.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 16: 55
      +3
      Quote: Kar Karych
      What press

      Usual !
      A set of crackling phrases and delusions of perverted consciousness, for example _
      Quote: coolboy
      a fairy tale about fraternal people, mutual assistance was told earlier when Ukraine was pro-Russian

      Quote: coolboy
      Ukraine has different interests now, but you are not interested in people.

      Quote: coolboy
      but here’s how they melted with Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states, finally making a mess there

      Quote: coolboy
      It’s better to let go of the GDR exactly, now friendship with Germany and the main partner are with Germany.

      But the real one leaked during the collapse of the USSR it is the GDR! Nobody else, got what they deserve, here is the GDR ...
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 41
        -3
        but in fact have something to say? I’m broadcasting a picture from Ukraine, and you think in cliches, maybe you need to broaden your horizons?
    2. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 55
      -3
      oo benefactor, it turns out I live so much and they gave me so much everything, but I did not know)). Enough of fairy tales about lordly help because:

      1) this assistance went to the state, namely to pro-Russian officials who plundered it. But in difficult times they betrayed Ukraine and fled to Russia, in order to hide them they must be kicked so that they return here and correct the situation or are responsible for what they did, the Russian Federation covers thief and murderers
      2) it was a payment for the pro-Russian course of Ukraine, and not entry into other structures, therefore, bidding took so long.

      and finally, the main thing to understand no one owes anything to anyone, not you are not me, especially the state. Everyone has their own interests. The Russian Federation has forgotten about the contract of defense against attack, when Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons, and itself annexed Crimea
      what are we talking about now?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 May 2014 21: 11
        +2
        Quote: coolboy
        The Russian Federation forgot about the contract of defense against attack, when Ukraine surrenders nuclear weapons

        There was no agreement, there was a non-binding memorandum that was not ratified by anyone. In addition, Americans disobeyed the disarmament of Ukraine, you were led to their promises.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 28 May 2014 16: 41
    +1
    Quote: coolboy
    on the forum spat on Ukraine

    If you associate yourself with Ukraine then YES.
    1. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 58
      -4
      1) I am a citizen of Ukraine
      2) I protect the citizens of Ukraine and Ukraine as a whole from hitting

      well, and 3) a low level of culture and dialogue on the forum with minuses and arrivals,
      it’s fashionable to spit and insult dissenters, minuses and stigmatize.

      if you think it’s right, I feel sorry for you
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 17
        +2
        Quote: coolboy
        I am a citizen of Ukraine

        And what is such a state?
        Quote: coolboy
        I protect citizens of Ukraine and Ukraine as a whole from hitting

        Soak the caterpillars, wash the tracks, and the smell ...
        Recently, it seems that Ukraine has become like that Elusive Joe, from a joke.
        Quote: coolboy
        dissenters minus and stigmatize.

        Are you talking about dissidents? So not with hot iron, but sorry!
        hi
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 24
          -4
          And what is such a state?

          educational program: open any directory and look in the list of states or look at the map, do you still need docks?

          Soak the caterpillars, wash the tracks, and the smell ...

          went ahead, and then what? Ukraine is bad, NATO is bad, Europe is not like that,
          China, too, you understand is cunning, in general everything is around that same one, but only we understand everything in white and fluffy, now as we give an assessment - the truth is the uterus and everyone pofiget.

          For your information, you are not alone in the world and the Russian Federation is not alone either, you do not need to spit on neighbors, for example, Ukraine or a collective (the world community), otherwise the community may spit in return!
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 30
          +5
          Quote: coolboy
          educational program:

          Educational program so educational program _
        3. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 06
          -10%
          the card amuses the chauvinist’s soul, has it become easier?

          The leaders of the USSR were general, their orders are binding, if you do not recognize their orders, then your little chauvinist world will quickly collapse, and there will be no USSR and not the Russian Federation. They were not fools if they did so, then it was necessary! The contribution of Ukrainians to the USSR is considerable, and the share of Ukraine is fair.

          You show the land of the Russian Federation where did each piece come from?

          but such cards, why not restore
          and how much you can dig in the past, now in fact there are such boundaries, you need to look for a way out now!
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 28 May 2014 21: 16
          +5
          Quote: coolboy
          Soviet leaders were common

          No Soviet leaders handed over Ukraine Sevastopol. You are just invaders.
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: coolboy
      Ukraine is bad, NATO is bad, Europe is not like that,
      China, too, you understand the cunning, in general, everything around that

      Do you have hallucinations?
      Quote: coolboy
      we understand everything in white

      Who are we ?
      Quote: coolboy
      Russia is not alone either

      Russia has only two allies: army and navy. Alexander III

      Quote: coolboy
      community can spit back!

      Hmm, you are not a student by any chance? And then the associative ranks, let’s say, are children's ...
    3. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 10
      -10%
      yes nickname your cynic corresponds to the behavior of a cynic
      stop thinking only from your bell tower in one gate, I will exaggerate you about the team. the fact that the Russian Federation has no friends and allies, the origins, including due to such a policy, are surrounded by enemies and inside the 5th column.
      Why do most developed countries live normally, no, you need to get into Ukraine, Ukraine wants to live normally, they ask you not to disturb!
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 42
      0
      Quote: coolboy
      yes nickname cynic your match

      hi
      Quote: coolboy
      Why do most developed countries live normally,

      Are you so sure about this?
      I think you will soon feel the delights of a quiet European life. As you wish!
    5. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 51
      -9
      Listen, I lived normally until all this canoe, and even the Maidan did not greatly spoil the life of one. that the hryvnia exchange rate fell 1.5 times, well it was okay to live, but now you approve of the hawks of war that you have already done business, that I can’t travel around my country calmly, work, it’s mochilo and man is an enemy to man, is this your approach?
      and there’s nothing wrong in European life, they live like white people there
      (while your government is rubbing your bad loot there and the kids are sent there).
      and we have a solid fuck-up as one wise guy comes and fills the state, or a neighbor comes and does something else, enough is enough to live like in Europe, gradually developing. Look at Poland, there is nothing, but the people living are many times better than the Ukrainians, or the same Hungary or Slovakia than they are better, why the Ukrainian is tryndets with all kinds of DNI or LC, this is a laughing stock and a heresy
    6. kurtz755
      kurtz755 28 May 2014 19: 38
      +6
      Who is to blame for everything?
    7. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 53
      -4
      error to the wrong address!
    8. D.V.
      D.V. 29 May 2014 06: 22
      0
      In in. Give free gas! Give more money and not to give! But you are all exactly the same as you were goats and wake up as masks. After all, we can’t buy the great, independent Khokhlak people if you don’t feed us. Here we are, so wild and proud! laughing
      A good position can not be said. And still, after all, there is enough arrogance about gas to bargain. Without a chapel full !!!
  • D.V.
    D.V. 29 May 2014 06: 14
    +2
    So is that Ukraine pricks all the fault of Russia? Why was the people bringing to the handle? Who does not ride that b! I saw this plot. Like normal love, galloped like flocks of sheep. Well, they jumped before! How did the Russian language stop you? It seems to me that this was the last straw. And now it turns out that anyone who wants to speak Russian is the enemy and must either pack their bags and bring them to Russia or die. Isn't that fascism? But fascism has no right to exist!
  • revnagan
    revnagan 28 May 2014 19: 16
    +9
    Quote: coolboy
    Ukraine wants to live a normal life

    Do you think that after Odessa, Mariupol and Kramatorsk this is possible? I am also a citizen of Ukraine, I was born here. But after the above events, the shooting by unknown snipers of people on the Maidan, after all the lies that our media poured on us, I do not believe in normal life in THIS country. There are a lot of people like me. Do not flatter yourself with the results of the "elections." Yes, people want to live in peace and prosperity. But to start the peace process, you need very little: tell the truth about the killers and arsonists from the Maidan, Odessa, Mariupol, Kramatorsk, severely condemn and punish both the performers and the organizers. Dissolve ALL radical nationalist organizations, all kinds of "battalions", and only after that offer the South-East the question of coexistence in one state. And before that, ETA Ukraine for me, a resident of Ukraine, hostile state. People in power in Kiev are fascists. I do not recognize this Bandera-Nazi Ukraine and I will undermine its foundations as best I can.
  • Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 29 May 2014 09: 59
    0
    ETA of Ukraine for me, a resident of Ukraine, is a hostile state. People in power in Kiev are fascists. I don’t recognize Bandera-Nazi Ukraine and I will undermine its foundations as I can. [/ Quote]

    Do you stock up on files to grind foundations?
    You probably don’t understand that without armed resistance the chances are zero. History says that only an aspen stake sticking out of the chest of fascism eliminates this disease. And you're talking about undermining the foundations.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 May 2014 21: 12
    +2
    Quote: coolboy
    low level of culture and dialogue on the forum with cons and arrivals,

    I’ll go to the censor.net, and there Ukrainian culture rushing out of all the cracks, including genital.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 28 May 2014 18: 10
    +2
    and who says that it’s good? and they don’t spit on Ukraine, but people who seized power, as a result of fascist coups (Maidan)
    1. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 42
      -5
      this is you one of the few specified that
      people dorobilsya
      and others indiscriminately water everyone with manure

      Maidan is basically a protest rebellion, of course there were radical forces, foreign ones too, apparently, but the majority were citizens of Ukraine, and from the east there were no less of them, and many people died in order to throw away Yanyk’s chmyr and completely lie. So the label fascism is a fiction grew. propaganda. The authorities in Russia are afraid that such a scenario will also occur in the Russian Federation,
      it is clear that it is unlikely but you don’t want to lose your loot oh, and they have nowhere to run. That shit on Ukrainians how much in vain!
  • 222222
    222222 28 May 2014 19: 22
    +4
    coolboy SU Today, 14:24 PM ↑
    @ Now Ukraine is under the pressure of the Russian Federation @
    you don’t understand anything what you did to Ukraine .. Take a history textbook during the period of the 1st Jewish revolution (October) and the next 5 years .. and without thinking, interpret those events for today in Ukraine .. And you don’t need maps .. all they’ll say what happened, what happened and what will happen .. In history, and everything is simple, everything in a circle .. nothing new ..
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 29 May 2014 07: 36
    +2
    Quote: coolboy
    here on the forum they spit Ukraine from head to toe

    And on your forums, Russia was simply kissed! At least in our country they do not call all Ukrainians "to the knives" or "to the gilyak"!
  • sssla
    sssla 28 May 2014 19: 18
    +5
    Quote: coolboy
    now it’s quite possible most areas will support the entry.

    Most of the regions in the form of rulers-feudal lords, supporting their pravosekov and sympathetic to them "policemen", and who squeaks and disagrees then pravoseki go to you ??? So what ??? BOY YOU IN TWO BEREZKI WAS LOOKED AND WALNUT OUCH !!! OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE REALITY BL. !!!
  • Ulus5
    Ulus5 28 May 2014 21: 10
    0
    Quote: coolboy
    coolboy

    Oh well. Wait and see. Autumn is just around the corner.
    The NATO umbrella is full of holes.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 28 May 2014 21: 21
    0
    You live in Crimea, and explain to us how from Fashington.
  • Suhow
    Suhow 29 May 2014 01: 19
    0
    Kulboy (I hope he wrote it correctly) writes the truth, even if it’s unpleasant, but the truth. Apparently I am from Ukraine, saying about 70 percent for nature. Storonikov was added after the Crimean soldier, and then it’s a matter of propaganda and the actions of the authorities.
    1. sssla
      sssla 29 May 2014 15: 46
      0
      Quote: Suhow
      . Apparently like me from Ukraine, saying approximately that about 70 percent for nature

      А natu who is this? Probably Natasha ?? But seriously, then excuse me but don’t say NORSE !!! 70 percent say ??? Nude nude storyteller))) As you can see, also from Ukraine, and there are those who are for the Europa and the Europaean choice and for how you say NaTu but 70% you are still a dreamer. Be simpler)))
  • bloknot
    bloknot 29 May 2014 15: 27
    0
    That's why he and PARASHA. That in go .. but to join, then to NATO.
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  • MOISEY
    MOISEY 28 May 2014 09: 49
    +8
    Who comes to us with a sword from the sword, as they say, will perish. Americans do not know Russian proverbs well, let them know first hand.
    1. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 11: 16
      +8
      Quote: Kamenev
      This, of course, is a clear counterattack on the State Department, it is “fraught”, but other options are worse. The well-known political scientist Yevgeny Satanovsky reasonably believes that "the chances that the current government in Kiev will be heard by the authorities in Kiev are not just minimal - they are zero." Because Kiev fulfills the order of Fashington.


      Yes, how much can you look back at them when our rulers understand that we have no friends in the world, it's time to live and do everything for ourselves.
    2. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 31
      -12%
      Yes, there are none there (they themselves don’t know what to do now with the possible entrance of the Russian Federation to Ukraine) and they did not attack the Russian Federation, and so far only the militants who have come to the so-called militia, but from Ukraine, they are separatists
      1. smile
        smile 28 May 2014 13: 52
        +14
        coolboy
        Yeah, but the fact that two flags are fluttering at the entrance to the SBU building and one of them is American, that in the SBU itself a whole floor is given to representatives of US special services who have the right of access even to personal files of the MBU does not tell you anything? The fact that even Canadians officially recognized. that in Ukraine there are hundreds of children from American PMCs - you also did not notice? Shaw, you don’t see anything, don’t hear anything? Well, they wouldn’t say then ... or rather, they wouldn’t lie. :)))
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 34
          -15%
          in order, the flag is a frivolous argument this time

          the fact that Ukraine is forced to attract foreign intelligence services, since the SBU has degraded this forced measure, there are majors and crooks, who will work? So it was necessary, and who else will help to fight against agents from the Russian Federation? After all, the top SBU fled to the Russian Federation, what to do now, huh? your suggestions and not cons!


          Now about PMCs, a sovereign state can hire anyone, even Papuans to protect the country. You do not forget the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the SBU has degraded. It is urgent to solve something and do what they can, once again your suggestions?
          1. smile
            smile 28 May 2014 15: 22
            +5
            coolboy
            Voooot. :))) So your political preferences become more noticeable. :)))
            For your information, the SBU from the very beginning worked closely with the American intelligence services. And with the development of independence, it became more and more a branch of the CIA, even under Yanukovych (recall who handed the diplomas to graduates who went to serve in the Security Service of Ukraine). So that is a long story. And the fascistization of Ukraine is only a natural ending to the fact that Ukraine surrendered to the Americans (Europeans play a much smaller role).
            Ah, I had to ... Poor fascists, well, they were going to destroy the Russians, turn them into second-class people, forbid them to speak Russian - you don’t care about this, it seems normal and quite like you, right? :)))
            And about sovereignty. The Nazis seized power by force of arms, they are illegitimate. hence. all their actions have nothing to do with legality. All laws adopted by them are legally void. Therefore, there can be no talk of any sovereignty with which the fascist regime trades left and right.

            And what. interesting. you are expecting offers from me - the bandit has alienated another's property - you ask. how can he save this property, having beaten off angry owners with the help of those who taught him how to steal and rob?

            My suggestions are to repent. that the whole ideology of Ukraine, turned into a fascist one, is built on a total lie, that the autocrats lied to their people about Russia, about the famines, about Bandera. about everything that was said for a quarter of a century that there never was such a country - Ukraine, it was created artificially (and that is thanks to the Bolsheviks) and they proved its failure by their policies. And then they can not make seppuku for themselves, let them only give out killers and go on all four sides.

            Your arrogant cynical statement that Ukraine has no way out is akin to if you claimed that Hitler had no way out but expanding our living space at our expense and destroying us, untimely. He also said - I have no choice, I was forced.
            It is very good that you write your comments, so the point of view of our opponents is more visible. Visit the site more often. We like you very much. :)))
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 34
              -4
              here it is not necessary to draw conclusions about my addictions, to blame me for the love of the United States and the Security Service of Ukraine, I take into account what I know is stupid. SBU, we had a punitive body for wringing and protecting the business, chain dogs of power. I would most of them put them in jail for a long time, since the Security Service of Ukraine has three tens of thousands of employees, and they cannot carry out ATO. This situation suited the FSB, where they developed a network of agents. How do you assess the surrender of Crimea by the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Is this betrayal and treason? or if so possible?

              so I'm wondering where are the facts that they were going to destroy the Russians ?, turn them into second-class people ?, and "forbidding to speak Russian" is generally a lie, why so much ignorance, for your information, everywhere in Russian it was possible to speak, so I speak and speak I will and what ?. To the southeast, many Ukrainians also spoke Russian, even part of their business correspondence was also conducted in Russian, I'm not talking about Crimea. The fact that the workflow in the state is so everywhere, and the ban on Russian is a tryndezh of propaganda.


              and where the bandit squeeze out property in more detail?

              Well, the last pearl is that Ukraine was created artificially, but it was collected from different lands, and Russia consists of what lands or are all Aryans there thinking the same way, and all happily surrendered to Russia? Russia created a powerful and large state by force, Ukraine was more fortunate at the expense of profitable unions, and in addition there were many Ukrainians in the Russian military, they also have rights to their share of trophies and lands wink

              and about the excesses in history, this is all clear, people still remember the Holodomor and those promoted grew. The media of Bandera, but who are they in Ukraine?
              what weight do they have? - Yes, especially no, it showed elections and reality. The army is fighting in the ATO and there are no volunteers in Bandera. And what kind of fashion if for Ukraine then Bandera, if for Russia then who?

              and in the end, a comparison with Hitler and this terry pseudo-patriotism and the promotion of the brand of fascism (it’s clear that there is nothing to say and nothing to be proud of) is generally an assassination, who was going to destroy whom? while the picture is completely different looms. You have no right to condemn the decisions of a sovereign state and priorities in politics, the Russian Federation cooperates with Germany and nothing and the rest are bald or something ?. And about the fact that I am an adversary, I’m mistaken just so that the relations were good and we lived peacefully with each other, but lately there have been problems with this, in particular at the forum, rabid, chauvinists and real fascists blaspheme Ukraine live near, there is a desire to fence around a large fence, so there is nothing to blame on fascism, we must look in the mirror ourselves wink
              1. smile
                smile 28 May 2014 20: 14
                +3
                coolboy
                I’m tired of telling you, laziness is not only to answer. but even read, though, I overlooked your current post.
                Let me agree.
                Yes, we ruined the SBU, reassigning it to the Americans. Moreover, we created Bandera, the Block of enslaved peoples, whose emissaries were the embryo of neo-Bandera. We made a maydown and brought your fascists fostered by us to power. we give Bena Kolomoisky money for the creation of neo-Nazi detachments, we forced the junta leaders to say that Russian should be banned at gunpoint, we forced the junta to adopt the very first law - the Russian language law. We arranged torchlight processions for you, gave Nazi symbols to your bandarlogs, built monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych and promoted a heroic saga around the Galichin SS division and other Nakhtigaili. we even Khatyn forced your fascists to burn.
                And yet - yes, it was we who, for the first time in the history of the newly formed part of the Russian people, gave the nation a quasi-state - the Ukrainian SSR. Before that, the Ukrainians did not have any statehood. Mazepa did not know about the existence of the nation - "Ukrainians".
                And the last - of course, we personally believe that you treat us well. and lying not intentionally. but by accident. and even from being too kind to us. Sorry, but to refute everything you wrote is too lazy, and so I wrote the devil knows how much. Do not want anymore. Tired of it.
                1. spd2001
                  spd2001 28 May 2014 20: 30
                  +4
                  do not feed the troll, it seems to work out the hryvnia. It attracts some kind of non-existent facts, speculation for reality. His task, his world is far from reality. Refuses to admit the facts, or simply does not read, Yu what they write to him. He sits here for several hours and is excited by attention to him. Moreover, he is unlikely from the Crimea. He was sent.
                  1. Turkir
                    Turkir 28 May 2014 21: 28
                    0
                    Troll Bandera - writes about his place of residence Crimea, Ukraine.
                    ..........................................................deleted apollo.
            2. sPS
              sPS 29 May 2014 12: 32
              +1
              and ear handing a saber on his knees generally does not climb into the gate .. from the side we would look at ourselves ... I don’t even speak for conscience ... dibilism ...
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: coolboy
            a sovereign state can hire anyone

            So then _ Sovereign State!
            And why do you associate Kolomia with the state?
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 16
              -2
              interesting analogy and where does it come from? here is their gang if that))
              you need to gradually displace them, do you think the chair does not swing under it?
              swinging, people understand, but not all at once this time

              and you’re in your own Russian Federation of oligarchs that you don’t notice life dictating, but
              they can have official positions and even not have a business, and in no way better than the same K are two
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 46
                0
                Quote: coolboy
                you are there in your own Russian oligarchs that dictate life

                Now we have only the APPOINTED oligarchs left, and you still have prescribing on the go.
                1. coolboy
                  coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 08
                  0
                  and why is the APPOINTED oligarch better than the SELECTED?
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 28 May 2014 19: 55
                    0
                    Quote: coolboy
                    and why is the APPOINTED oligarch better than the SELECTED?

                    An interesting interpretation of my post
                    Quote: Cynic
                    APPOINTED oligarchs remain, but you still have appointees in progress

                    What kind of elected oligarchs are you talking about?
                    Difficulties with the Russian?
                    Do not understand the difference between the appointed oligarch and the appointing?
                    And if I recall the seven-bankers? Are you in shock?
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                  3. siberalt
                    siberalt 28 May 2014 23: 36
                    0
                    The right word, this is a well-deserved plus! No better.
          3. sssla
            sssla 28 May 2014 19: 26
            +2
            Quote: coolboy
            since the SBU has degraded this forced measure, there are majors and crooks

            Maybe you put your wife under a neighbor because she has apathy and a bad mood ?????? Do you even understand what it is - SBU, FSB, FBI, MOSSAD and so on. If you understand that, you wouldn’t write this sorry he-nu. And if you don’t understand then don’t press the buttons here !!!
          4. gych
            gych 28 May 2014 20: 42
            0
            hi from donbass yulia vladimirovna
    3. kotvov
      kotvov 28 May 2014 18: 20
      +2
      Yes, they know enough about Russia, because they are trying to hold anti-Russian actions by strangers. it’s a pity that such, “coolboys,” seem like a fool, and 23 years of brainworm .. they did their job.
    4. Turkir
      Turkir 28 May 2014 21: 23
      +1
      Whoever comes with a sword to us, with a sword in a hole and leaves.
      This is a Polish back or a little lower, I do not remember exactly.
      1. Kisel
        Kisel 9 June 2014 18: 00
        0
        DUPA laughing
        In a foreign legion, a sergeant is going to punish an Italian, a Pole, and a Jew for not following an order:
        “I don't want you to think I'm cruel. Before I whip you, you can take care of protecting your dupa. An Italian lay down first, rubbing it with olive oil. The spanking didn't really work on him. The next step is the Pole.
        “Sergeant, I don't need any protection.” I am strong as a bull, and will withstand any flogging. And indeed, after flogging, he stood up as if nothing had happened. The turn came to the Jew.
        - And what do you want to hide behind? The sergeant asked him.
        “If it's not difficult, put me on the back of a Pole,” the Jew answered.
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  • Himalayan
    Himalayan 28 May 2014 11: 19
    0


    Answer ... What should I do?
    1. Ural guys
      Ural guys 28 May 2014 12: 00
      +11
      Let them know that we are waiting for them! Thank God there are still pores in the flasks!
      1. smile
        smile 28 May 2014 20: 23
        +2
        Ural guys
        Today I saw four children on the steps of the entrance. A girl of primary school age, not embarrassed, studied Katyusha with two girls and a younger boy .... at first she sang loudly and surprisingly professionally, then she organized a choir from the children .... they already knew the words ... would you hear how they sang as they tried ... passersby stopped ... me too ... no, not everything is lost with us while the children themselves sing Katyusha ....
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    3. sinukvl
      sinukvl 28 May 2014 12: 02
      +9
      The fact that he is not very good, as well as a crest, is evident in his breeches, vests and burgher's cap with a feather. In general, before you is a real real gayro-liberalist in his national costume.
      1. Orc-xnumx
        Orc-xnumx 28 May 2014 13: 19
        +4
        Typical Bandera!
    4. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 33
      -8
      Are you guys kidding here? Do you take clips of artists and draw conclusions about the country? it is good that Ukrainians do not analyze Russia according to Kirkorov!
      1. foxxi
        foxxi 28 May 2014 14: 10
        +6
        Quote: coolboy
        Are you guys kidding here? Do you take clips of artists and draw conclusions about the country? it is good that Ukrainians do not analyze Russia according to Kirkorov!

        we don’t need to make flat cakes here, we are all adults and we understand something in life, but the video clip is different, and then pure nationalism is mixed with fascism! the answer must be kept. then all those present personify the elite of Ukraine - here is my friend and conclusions !!!!!!
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 37
          -3
          Nazism is everywhere, and in the Russian Federation there are fashionable trends for fascist Russians, this is the Ukrainian version for Ukrainians with extremes. And what about them all the Ukrainians in the enemy record, but you are my old man villain)). And still yarosh with a tynebokom got 2% of the vote and who are the Nazis in Ukraine now? and how much is the LDPR? and they say worse things
          1. smile
            smile 28 May 2014 16: 32
            +1
            coolboy
            Yes. we have Natsik - an insignificant number of outcasts. Here. eg. in USA. which contributed to the rise to power in Ukraine of fascists, Nazis much more, at least an order of magnitude, Nazi symbols are not prohibited there, the Nazis go there, wave their flags, the police guard them.
            And about Yarosh and Tyagnybok - even real Bandera people will not vote for them - which of them are managers? Because basically Bandera vote for other comrades. whose rhetoric is quite fascist to itself, is in no way more peaceful. than rhetoric pravosekov. All the ruling elite is thoroughly overwhelmed by fascism with almost no exceptions - this is clearly demonstrated by their wild joy splashed out on the social network that Bandera burned people in Odessa.
            Therefore, please do not lie so defiantly that we have the same authorities, huh? It’s just that I won’t believe in life that you are so stupid that you don’t realize that you are broadcasting a lie. :)))
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 01
              0
              so where did I lie then a))? and who the fascist is there I have not heard. do you confuse politicians who want to go to power with fascists on national-patriotic slogans and populism or you are a victim of propaganda!
              1. smile
                smile 28 May 2014 20: 30
                +1
                coolboy
                Where did you lie? And almost everywhere. :)))
                I just refer to the fascists all politicians using Nazi rhetoric. It doesn’t matter to me that in this rhetoric they break through into power. Since they use it, therefore they are fascists.
                By the way, you didn’t notice that you exposed yourself - if a politician is obliged to use national-patriotic slogans in order to enter the government, then this is demanded by society, then fascization of your society has already taken place. This is a fait accompli. :))) Hello to your propaganda - the fascization of society could not have happened without popularizing, so to speak, ideas. :)))
                Congratulations. :)))
          2. D.V.
            D.V. 29 May 2014 06: 38
            +1
            I have nothing against the fraternal people. I am Belarus myself. And having arrived in Belarus, no one will tell me hey, what did he pretend to be? And if I go to Red Square and scream that General Vlasov is a hero, then I think that I will deserve at least 15 days. Well, if I scream it in the circle of several like-minded people, they will earn more. And it is right. We have no place for fascism.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 28 May 2014 16: 28
        +4
        Well, sorry, man, the wrong site and the wrong time. But I respect you, I think that not only me. There are enough comrades here, but not in this article. Census, kill the slave in yourself ...
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      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 29 May 2014 08: 04
        +1
        And I don’t like Kirkorov ... Especially after boorish behavior in Rostov.
    5. foxxi
      foxxi 28 May 2014 14: 07
      +5
      Quote: Himalayan
      https://www.facebook.com/plandnr

      I'll look at this nasty bohemian ... when this whole "dog wedding" comes to a logical end ...
    6. Horst78
      Horst78 28 May 2014 16: 20
      0
      And here is this ugly face of Kisilev. am
      1. vlad63
        vlad63 29 May 2014 11: 13
        0
        What Kiselyov? Eugene or Dmitry?
    7. ele1285
      ele1285 28 May 2014 16: 21
      0
      Quote: Himalayan
      What to do ?

      shove in the ass. Happy Pogranets today. We are not leaving, the border ...
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko 28 May 2014 13: 07
    +3
    Quote: BYV
    This is so, but we also know who the lair is in the den

    So Bear has not been a prosecutor for a long time.
    In Donetsk, fights and participants on the one side of a purely concrete PMC of a mattress and logs have resumed today.
    Quote: Alexey N
    The American ambassador, if anyone does not know.

    This subject does not solve anything!
    All eyes on Buckingham Palace and the Capitol.
  • PATHuK
    PATHuK 28 May 2014 14: 41
    +2
    Quote: BYV
    Quote: Alexey N
    we know who is the boss in Kiev

    This is so, but we also know who the lair is in the den laughing


    A larger colleague, a bigger one ... In the FOREST, the boss!
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 28 May 2014 15: 10
      0
      A larger colleague, a bigger one ... In the FOREST, the boss!

      In our forest!
  • ele1285
    ele1285 28 May 2014 09: 45
    +28
    Quote: Alexey N
    Let us choose at least every month Ukrainian prezik,
  • chizhik
    chizhik 28 May 2014 10: 27
    +12
    come to our east we’ll think about how to fill up the ambassador, if you are not in the know of the general general, you don’t toss a star at the stars. You can’t cover your butt with your pluses
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 May 2014 15: 04
      0
      Quote: Chizhik
      come to us

      Vladimir, I respect your opinion with respect, there is only one BUT. I went through the thread and didn’t understand who you were contacting. A very big request, please quote the person you are contacting
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  • maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 28 May 2014 10: 27
    +33
    Yes, the situation is difficult. The introduction of troops means the almost complete isolation of Russia on the world stage, new sanctions and a worsening economic situation (in the short and medium term). Not to send troops means to finally lose Ukraine, and not only in economic terms (its departure to the EU), but also in terms of losing faith in Russia among those people in Ukraine who advocate rapprochement with Russia, who still believe in help from Russia ... These people will feel betrayed. It will be impossible to raise them again to fight the pro-Western Nazi regime. To be honest, this second option smells strongly of the "Spanish option", when the victorious fascist regime held on to power for over 30 years. In addition, under the second option, the fifth column will again raise its head in Russia itself, it will accept the "surrender" of the South-East for the weakness of power, and the president's rating will decline (due to unfulfilled expectations of a part of the patriotic population), and in the immediate vicinity of the capital (500 km) there will be NATO troops (in principle, for this, the states have started the "democratization" of the Nezalezhnaya).
    In the first case, despite the difficulties of an economic nature and partial political isolation, in the long run there are some advantages: economic, political, military integration ALL New Russia with Russia, increasing the population of Russia by 25 million people, strengthening defense potential, GDP growth, containing NATO.
    Skeptics who believe that the introduction of troops will lead to a new Cold War, I want to say that it is already on, and we did not start it. And it is not possible to win it by constantly defending and passing one line after another. It is important for each of us to decide: are we ready to withstand temporary difficulties for the sake of preserving our state in the future or for the sake of preserving momentary relative prosperity (5-10 years) in the future we agree to become to some extent a protectorate of a tolerant west?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 28 May 2014 10: 44
      -12%
      Quote: maxcor1974
      In the first case, despite the difficulties of an economic nature and partial political isolation, in the long run there are some pluses: economic, political, military integration of ALL of New Russia with Russia, an increase in Russia's population by 25 million

      What do people and our rulers have to do with it?
      Putin will squeeze out money (dollars) if he snoops on Ukraine.
      You don’t see how his tone changed before the May 11 referendum.
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys 28 May 2014 12: 11
        +6
        Well, Putin must, Putin knows!
        And what you personally did, maybe you need to start with yourself and the world will change itself!
        When you travel to Europe, you are actually financing the killing of civilians!
        By buying Western goods (cars, food, etc.) you are actually killing your children!
        Keep your savings in dollars / euros. You help the terrorists who will blow up your house tomorrow, and you will thank them for that.
        So what did you personally do to prevent this from happening ?!
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 28 May 2014 13: 27
          +1
          Quote: Ural guys
          And what you personally did, maybe you need to start with yourself and the world will change itself!

          Just don't need this "You personally".
          Personally, I do my work and get paid for it while at the FREE forum I express my opinion on the quality of policy pursued by the Russian government in Ukraine ..
          And I believe that the quality of this policy, given the current state of affairs, cannot be called brilliant.
          And politics, including foreign ones, should be dealt with by those who are authorized to do so.
          And personally, you are sure that I am no different from me in the sense of concrete cases in the international sphere, so you have no right to give me advice.
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      3. zorcher
        zorcher 28 May 2014 13: 03
        +4
        Do you really think that with Putin’s resources and capabilities he would not be able to withdraw his ephemeral capital? Tired of listening to these nonsense already.
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 41
          -5
          could only where, where you can safely store many billion? in which country and which bank or business
          1. zorcher
            zorcher 28 May 2014 14: 10
            +1
            Well, one famous comrade kept in gold toilets. It seems to me that if they, I had these billions, I would find where to attach them for storage, and since I do not have them, I'm not a big specialist)
      4. Genry
        Genry 28 May 2014 13: 15
        +4
        Quote: ATATA
        Putin will squeeze out money (dollars) if he snoops on Ukraine.

        Putin can’t get here and not be squeezed out. Already used to be done long ago.

        Its slowness in Ukraine (with the loss of Crimea, the breakaway of the South-East and with a new president - the country has the name "Parasha") is that the situation has not yet reached its condition, and then it will still require ripening (condition-autumn, ripening-winter).
        Russia should not take hasty steps there, otherwise the crop will not grow and ripen.

        It is very necessary to help the Southeast.
        Specify details in their channel ZELLO (they do not like superfluous) from moderators.
        Open broadcast of this event-information channel:

        It happens that Ytub blocks.
        Then search for the phrase "DONETSK PREPARES FOR THE STORM. Live radio", with a new number.
      5. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 40
        -3
        say after the visit of the president of the swiss confederation winked
      6. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 28 May 2014 14: 41
        0
        Quote: ATATA

        Putin will squeeze out money (dollars) if he snoops on Ukraine.
        You don’t see how his tone changed before the May 11 referendum.

        It seems that the sanctions were more effective than it seemed at first glance.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 28 May 2014 14: 47
          +2
          Quote: Egorchik
          It seems that the sanctions were more effective than it seemed at first glance.

          That’s what we’re talking about, it’s just not advertised, so as not to drop the rating of the sun.
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    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 28 May 2014 11: 45
      +4
      Quote: maxcor1974
      Yes, the situation is complicated. The introduction of troops means almost complete isolation of Russia on the world stage, new sanctions and the deterioration of the economic situation (in the near and medium term). Not to send troops means to finally lose Ukraine,
      Quite recently I was minded for the expression "Putin is in" zugzwang ". Let me remind you," zugzwang "is the situation in chess, when any move leads to a worsening of the situation. Could this have been avoided? Yes. There was a mistake in March. Crimea for you, take everything at once, interfere with the pieces, it would be difficult, but you would have won. Now you have lost. You wanted to live and thought that money was everything. No ... You thought that you were playing on the good side and justice? Alas, no ..... You voluntarily or not willingly signed your own sentence ..... What now? Do you have a way out? No, after China, no longer ... You can only try to leave a piece good memory. Spit on money, take a chance, people are not animals, they will understand, and if people understand, maybe they will forgive. Who knows ...
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 28 May 2014 13: 10
        +9
        baltika-18 Nikolay, life is very different from playing chess; unfortunately, in life you cannot replay a game or put it off until better times. You perfectly understand that now Russia is not ready for a big war, Ukraine is a red rag in the hands of the Americans, but Putin is not a bull !! Having begun the invasion, Putin would have signed the verdict for both himself and Russia. In place of this, the rear began to strengthen in the form of relations with China and knocking out the land from under the feet of Ukrainian events. The main thing is to bring the Americans out of the game, and the Ukrainian fascists themselves will perish in another world. Understand that the war is already underway and Russia has long passed from defense to offensive!
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 28 May 2014 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: Serg65
          Russia has long passed from defense to offensive!

          Well, where are we going?
          Quote: Serg65
          Having begun the invasion, Putin would have signed the verdict for both himself and Russia.

          For the West, it doesn’t matter where we stayed in Crimea, or Odessa!
          They still will not forgive us Crimea !!!!!
          How can you not understand this ?????
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 28 May 2014 16: 26
            +3
            Quote: ATATA
            They still will not forgive us Crimea !!!!!
            How can you not understand this ?????

            But did they ever want to forgive us something? Correctly did not gather. They always wanted to DESTROY us.
          2. Serg65
            Serg65 29 May 2014 08: 10
            +4
            ATATA ..
            Regarding the offensive ... there is confusion in Europe, it has broken off with Syria, we have become closer to China, the army is arming itself, we spit on sanctions, and so on. As for "they will not forgive us", but they need to ask for forgiveness ????
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 28 May 2014 13: 31
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        Quite recently I was minded for the expression "Putin is in" zugzwang ". Let me remind you," zugzwang "is the situation in chess, when any move leads to a worsening of the situation. Could this have been avoided? Yes. There was a mistake in March. I got the go-ahead, enter. Dali Crimea for you, take it all at once, interfere with the pieces, it would be difficult, but you would have won. Now you have lost.

        I agree that Putin lost the chance to get everything by 1000%, or at least greatly complicated his further actions.
        Crimea alone is a consolation prize for the loss of ALL of Ukraine.
      3. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 44
        -3
        you understand this is not a party of dominoes supposedly risky, we are talking about 45 million Ukrainians and 142 million Russians, that's 200 million people! the problem is that time was not lost in March but a long time ago, instead of raising corrupt officials and agents in Ukraine, it was necessary to raise patriotic forces sympathizing with Russia. Now all who defend Russia in Ukraine do not have mass support of people and, as a rule, have a fast reputation
    4. spd2001
      spd2001 28 May 2014 12: 57
      +13
      I don’t know why nowhere and no one talks about it (I haven’t seen or heard), but it seems that the recognition of independent republics and the declaration of a no-fly zone above them + unspoken assistance, arms and volunteers, in the absence of frontier troops of Ukraine on the border of NR with Russia - one of the most acceptable options. I’m not a politician, I don’t know how to do it right, but there are sanctions and in any case will be. Militias need to be supported, otherwise we are all independent and Khan Russians. P.S. Happy Border Guard Day!
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 48
        -11%
        on the basis of which to admit that they held the so-called referendum, you yourself believe in those numbers and why then there are so few people in the militia and who then will be supported by a million people there? and about helping the militias you think they would last at least 1 week if they hadn’t been helped
        1. spd2001
          spd2001 28 May 2014 14: 06
          +5
          I believe more than later, allegedly presidential elections
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 50
            -5
            why? do you live there? or don’t believe that there are elections in Ukraine and they choose someone? Yes, now without Crimea, and probably Donetsk and Luganks did not vote much, this does not cancel the election, most of Ukraine chose a president, and where did the militias get voter data if the register is blocked in Kiev?
      2. _my opinion
        _my opinion 28 May 2014 15: 25
        +1
        Alexey, join the congratulation Happy Border Guard Day!
        ... already congratulated a fellow border guard on a holiday ... by the way, he served in the Crimea ...
      3. Magyar
        Magyar 28 May 2014 16: 52
        +3
        I want to hear the opinion of those who have experience in the introduction of hostilities. Of course, it is difficult to draw conclusions from what is happening in Donbass without being on the spot, and without participating in these events. But I want to express my opinion on this matter. First. Operation to seize the airport by the D.N.R. was carried out absolutely illiterately, a thorough reconnaissance of the enemy forces was not carried out, and a possible assessment of the response actions. Why is this indicative entrance to the airport and adjacent buildings, we draw attention to the structure with a huge percentage of glazing, a rather flimsy structure, now we look at the footage on the roof, they installed the AGS "Flame", which is completely illiterate, in short, they lit the firing point on the move, one competent turn of the turntable, and easier comrades. More than 100 people gathered in this trap, an absolutely illiterate decision. The escape routes were not guarded, as evidenced by the destruction of two Kamaz trucks with wounded on the way to the hospital. In my opinion, the Militia has no intelligence at all, they slept through an ambush in the city they allegedly control. Now we are looking at the actions of the enemy, quite competently, as soon as the Militias entered the airport, they allegedly retreated, thereby letting them relax, knocked down the mood, did not get involved in collisions, stalling for time, and began to prepare the operation called the aviation, which struck on the move the airport buildings, the main losses went, after calculating the evacuation route, they set up an ambush and finished off everyone who got out of the attack. All this leads to not funny thoughts that the Militia is sorely lacking people who can work creatively in a difficult environment. If this continues, the Militia will lose, you need to understand that in this situation only ambush actions can bring success. We can talk about this for a long time, unfortunately there is not enough information. Anyone who really knows how to work, I ask you to speak on this issue. To my great regret, my beloved homeland Russia took an incomprehensible position on this issue, the army should not be introduced in any case, but it is imperative to help with advisers and weapons, we help but little, the situation is developing rapidly, the emphasis on local personnel has not justified expectations. To the lost, May the Earth Rest in Peace to You Brothers. Writing this is very hard on the heart like a stone, even though don't look and don't listen. I can't go myself, At the Service of the Sovereign, as they say. I am waiting for responses to my writing. With respect.
        1. smile
          smile 28 May 2014 20: 53
          +2
          Magyar
          Yes, help is needed.
          And no one can really comment on anything for you - no one knows the real circumstances and the situation as a whole, but talk about it yourself.
          We saw only the AGS on the roof, like horseradish on a hill, and five men inside the terminal building. All.
          Of course, the airstrike was expected, especially since there is no dense urban area nearby. The airport administration took people out. Ideal conditions. MANPADS apparently, the guys did not have .....
          And about the ambush - there is also no clarity. It is difficult to control communications, and the guys apparently lack power.
          An ambush group of Banderaites (I will call them so simplistically) could advance later, and with the ambush itself, I repeat, nothing is clear. Whether it was, or just the turntables shot trucks, the information is contradictory.
          With the intelligence of the peasants, it’s really not very, as with communications, with the warning by the forces of the local population.
          But let's not roll a barrel on them. Can run into and super-duper-special-os-naz. The enemy is also not made a finger, although we are laughing at him here. It’s funny for us here, there would be none of us would laugh. Any, but this is the Army.
    5. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 28 May 2014 13: 25
      +1
      I absolutely agree.
    6. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 39
      -9
      you are too optimistic that some people when they took Crimea sang a mantra about profitable Crimea, in fact they were deeply subsidized, 95% of the budget comes from Russia, now the Russian Federation cannot solve the problems of 2 million Crimea and is greedy for money, everything is financed at a minimum, and people were told about the high Russian standards that people expect in practice. So imagine that now you need to pull out 25 million people at the expense of the Russian budget in the conditions of sanctions, when your own territories are in a depressed state, and you also did not take into account the casualties. For example, in small Crimea, taking into account the massive support of the local population and the absolute inaction of Ukraine, there are several dead people, and now in the conditions that there are many ethnic Ukrainians or pro-Ukrainian minded people in the southeast + big problems in the economy + a lot of people who want to add kerosene to the war, How many victims ?
    7. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: maxcor1974
      Yes, the situation is complicated.


      And why was it necessary to bring to such a complicated situation "... kindergarten or what ????

      1. Who "prevented" the Nazis from cutting off the gas immediately in the month of January ???? 9vedt were non-payment back in 2013, all according to the contract).
      2. Why was it for 5 months to "sponsor" free gas supplies ... the fascists (or partners, here they call everything differently .. who will fight, and someone and .. cooperate).
      3. Whatever you want to call it. But there has been recognition of the Russian Federation elections in fascist Ukraine .... what else can I rant about ???
      4. Donetsk and Lugansk themselves are to blame for the situation, because:
      - "led" to .... "presentation" with the participation of high officials and bodies on the reduction of the entry of troops into Ukraine and all sorts of "blah blah blah2 slogans and speeches.
      - and in this connection they "believed" in themselves ... which was the deepest mistake due to the Ukrainian mentality.
      - a complete lack of experience in large-scale hostilities and very small forces.
      Everything else we are observing now.

      Recently there were two more variants of events more or less digestible for us:
      1. If Yulka will arrange the third Maidan, as promised, but ... the same thing .. not with a finger done. immediately changed rhetoric. so the option is gone.
      2. The creation of New Russia, an option that is the same .. covered with a large copper basin.

      So we have only one option left ... preparing for the defense of our Crimea. or as the Nazis say, temporarily illegally occupied territories ...... soldier
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 54
        -1
        1) then there was still Yanyk, then it turned out that an eccentric convenient for the Russian Federation, he also escaped when he burned
        2) probably hoped to sell gas, with money tight, and there are rumors that they will buy even less
        3) Ukraine is not fascist! don’t think up - in Ukraine the development vector has changed, it is now infuriating many, the elections are relatively normal (taking into account what is happening), and where are they better?
        4) there is no mass support of the population
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 28 May 2014 15: 07
          +3
          Quote: coolboy
          1) then there was still Yanyk,

          Announcement:
          I will give in good hands to the legitimate president of Ukraine. Or drown.
          Russia.
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 39
            +1
            but who needs it, for the theft and betrayal of the people it had long been necessary to hang
        2. VAF
          VAF 28 May 2014 15: 27
          +3
          Quote: coolboy
          3) Ukraine is not fascist! do not invent


          I respect your opinion, say a lot of things correctly in all comments, BUT I am already far from that age. I would have to come up with something, so if you please, -Turning Ukraine is almost completely a FASTIAN state and MANAGES HER Fascists !!! soldier

          I have already written on this site several times ... it would be "my will" (you can say that thank God that God did not give horns to the buttery cow) .... all this Wickedness would have long been looking for refuge in the Western border region and beyond by the ocean !!!

          And all sorts of Psaki, Ashton.Nuladny and others, other, other ... would be the maximum ... ".. on parcels" soldier
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 43
            -3
            and on the examples can be what the FASCIS? I myself from the Crimea, for example, have recently been to Donetsk, and have been to Kiev, the couple haven’t noticed anything like that, huh?
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 29 May 2014 00: 06
              +2
              Surely the daughter of an officer?
    8. _my opinion
      _my opinion 28 May 2014 15: 03
      +4
      I believe that it is not in vain that Russia has established MTRs (Special Operations Forces) that are entitled to work outside our country. Moreover, we have appeared in the MTR recently.
      I catch the pattern: tension in Ukraine is the formation of the MTR of Russia .... Or does someone think that the MTR is idle when a massacre is near Russia?
      1. Alexey N
        Alexey N 28 May 2014 15: 28
        +1
        And where does the MTR? Donbass, Novorossia and bоthe majority of the outskirts is Russian land
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 44
          -6
          Do not insult, the state is called Ukraine, can your criteria for establishing the Russian land or not?
          1. Alexey N
            Alexey N 28 May 2014 17: 42
            +5
            Russian Оland! Read history books, and then talk to people. Didn't you open anything apart from Mein Kampfe?
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 13
              -1
              but well, I forgot to read before the forum "mein kampfe")) - ehh primitive

              this is called chauvinism, and don’t send me to read, do the calculation here if you say about the Russian lands, I asked you about the criteria,
              I’m wondering how the earth becomes Russian?
  • Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin 28 May 2014 11: 24
    0
    http://www.ustream.tv/channel/informburo

    Live from Donetsk, miners' strike
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  • Anton-sed
    Anton-sed 28 May 2014 12: 00
    +5
    The so-called "developed" countries like it all. It's time for Russia to put an end to it. Send in troops and spit on all this Euro-American filth. We must set the correct rhythm on this planet, without fascism and bearded women!
    1. Signaller
      Signaller 28 May 2014 12: 22
      +3
      I think - "It's not over yet"
    2. Signaller
      Signaller 28 May 2014 12: 22
      0
      I think - "It's not over yet"
    3. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 49
      -3
      well introduced, and then what, how to control the country of 45 million people, which army? and what to contain?
  • Genry
    Genry 28 May 2014 12: 53
    +5
    Quote: Alexey N
    Power in Ukraine is not legitimate !!!

    You do not understand yet. The newly elected government, for this country, is very legitimate.
    Simply, with the new president, the country will be called "Parasha".
  • coolboy
    coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 24
    -4
    what are you saying, and where is the evidence, he was elected more than 50%, no matter how bad he has, he has a mandate of people's trust, and the Verkhovna Rada is also all old there, this is an old channel of a channel for creating protest moods, now it doesn’t work in Ukraine, and in Russia understand that the power is already elected
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 28 May 2014 15: 18
      +3
      Who chose him? Obama Barack? Where is the evidence for that piglet people voted? Or maybe a gangway from the European oligarchs in the American embassy drew the final figures?

      Would you go from here to the heroes at the gay forums (where they yell "Hero fat")
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 46
        -5
        you see Freud's gays do not give rest, go to them yourself, don’t talk rubbish when serious conversations go

        what docks do you need? show signatures of all voters? or something else?
        1. Alexey N
          Alexey N 28 May 2014 17: 34
          +2
          Do not translate the arrows. Fascism and homosexuality are always there. Hitler and Rem are the most striking example. And in the Kiev junta every second homosexual. You are all there, sadom. And you judging by the statements you are one of them.
          And I'm talking to pid.ram. Go on ... and wait longer.
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 17
            -6
            what does it mean that you are all like that, don’t transfer your problems to others, I’m not special for anyone who what, you can see better.

            and where is the junta ah? the old parliament was still elected under Yanyk, was the president elected?

            and why were they hypocritical and silent in 2010-2014 everything was fine with the corrupt leadership of Ukraine, because they fled to Russia, now they are running for directions to other places

            that haunts that they do not bend and sway but their own all bend, but it’s unpleasantly a bummer, before we drove on a horse now we need to negotiate, Well, get used to it everywhere in Europe, nobody acts in a burst and force, dialogue is welcome!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 18: 30
              +4
              Quote: coolboy
              Well, get used to it everywhere in Europe like this, no one acts in a snappy and forceful way, a dialogue is welcome!

              You are Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, South Ossetia and many others tell.
              1. coolboy
                coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 58
                -2
                and I will add Crimea, the DNI, the LC - the same series when someone decided to include a big boss to solve everything for others. Although the list contains countries with essentially different problems. And now what if others have done infamy, you need to repeat it in Ukraine, flawed logic!
            2. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx 28 May 2014 21: 01
              +5
              if Yanyk fled to Russia for advice, then Outskirts would have been in the Customs Union as early as 10, and he, as a prostitute, betrayed his promises to the people who voted for him. What did he do during the years of his reign to get closer to Russia? the oligarchs were afraid of rapprochement with Russia more than fire, with a good legal relationship, our rich people would have squeezed all their miserable assets (well, not to consider 1.5 billion bucks compared to Abramovich’s money) long ago, and without the assets you’re the oligarch, you don’t have leverage that’s why ukro-oligarchs advocated rapprochement with the EU, Europe doesn’t need all their factories, but the gas they need, GTS gave the egg for loans that Ukrainians will give out of their pocket
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: coolboy
          show signatures of all voters? or something else?

          And you show? -No, then heaped his ....
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 53
            -1
            hear you boor, such a place behind the fence

            still wondering why they don’t want to talk to such people!
  • VAF
    VAF 28 May 2014 13: 49
    +3
    Quote: Alexey N
    The power in Ukraine is NOT LEGITIMAL !!! And the "elections" on 25.05.14/XNUMX/XNUMX - the continuation of the coup!


    But what about - ".... we respect the choice of the Ukrainian people and ..will cooperate closely"? belay request recourse
    1. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 39
      +1
      here, some kind of incoherent flow of information
  • boozer
    boozer 28 May 2014 16: 31
    +2
    I have already indicated my opinion earlier. So, most of the population of the South-East is the position ala "my house is from the edge, I don't know anything ...". Well, we went to a referendum, and that's all. All! Silence and imperturbable indifference. They calmly go to work, go down to the mine, sit on benches, walk peacefully in the parks, and at this time ... Well, you yourself can see what is going on there. They have declared independent states, hold congresses, vote something. All cities and towns are on their own, each in deep defense. Well, take the power into your own hands in the end! Railway stations, post office, telegraph office, bridges. A hundred years ago, an action plan was already written. And so, yes, no words. There will be a lot of victims ...
  • Timur
    Timur 28 May 2014 19: 45
    +3
    Sent: Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich
    Declare a no-fly zone over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine

    https://www.change.org/ru/петиции/путин-владимир-владимирович-объявить-бесполетн
    uyu-zone-nad-donetsk-and-lugansk-regions-ukraine # share
  • Sinara70
    Sinara70 28 May 2014 19: 47
    +2
    Rights Deputy. before Communist Party Melnikov !!!!
    Free departure of volunteers to the Donetsk Republic ..... and MAXIMUM ASSISTANCE to the Defenders of the REPUBLIC in air defense systems (Delivery, receipt, military advisers))) so that. by MAXIMUM TO INCREASE PURE LETAL outcomes in Bandera In manpower and technology ...
    Until their mothers understand why their sons / who just started to live !!! and
  • Alexey N
    Alexey N 28 May 2014 09: 36
    +31

    Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 28 May 2014 09: 43
      +28
      Quote: Alexey N
      Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!

      Rather, this pose speaks not of delivery, but of the surrender of their weapons.
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 28 May 2014 09: 51
        +14
        They caved in front of the p.i.nd.s.a.s.a.m.i, thereby admitting themselves to be slaves of the West. Who, however, they always were ...
      2. foxxi
        foxxi 28 May 2014 14: 14
        +3
        Quote: ele1285
        Quote: Alexey N
        Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!

        Rather, this pose speaks not of delivery, but of the surrender of their weapons.

        next pose ... elbow-elbow ...
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 28 May 2014 10: 02
      +14
      Quote: Alexey N
      Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!

      This is not a "general" on his knees, but western and central Ukraine, shame is not the right word ..., worse.
      1. Weniamin
        Weniamin 28 May 2014 11: 29
        +4
        From the beginning on his knees, then on his heels.
    3. e_krendel
      e_krendel 28 May 2014 10: 34
      +4
      This is all propaganda and Putin rigged! wassat
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 28 May 2014 10: 58
        +6
        Quote: e_krendel
        This is all propaganda and Putin rigged!
        Yeah, Putin himself personally painted in Photoshop
      2. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 51
        -4
        it’s definitely disa, pops up more than once and on this site too
        1. The point
          The point 28 May 2014 16: 14
          0
          Can a more detailed argument be made?
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 04
            0
            already wrote that this is an old photo, some kind of Cossack hands a sword to a former ambassador or something
    4. Kite
      Kite 28 May 2014 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: Alexey N
      Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador.

      -so did not even surrender before prisoner! Who is this jerk kneeling?
    5. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 28 May 2014 10: 57
      +3
      Quote: Alexey N
      Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!
      Well, why a disgrace, everything immediately becomes clear, the vassal to present his overlord with a sword as a sign of fidelity.
    6. nnz226
      nnz226 28 May 2014 11: 06
      +5
      Yes ..... dill army is good !!! When the generals "kneel down the sword to the winner"! Russian generals only accepted such swords from all Gay-European and Asian shushars !!!
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 52
        -4
        once again it’s not an army general, it’s like a Cossack
        1. Kite
          Kite 28 May 2014 15: 11
          0
          Cossack repents blames before the American? In recognition of the guilt and justice of his execution, he passes his saber into the hands of the winner? And a lot of these? One got caught or is the queue behind the scenes? But are the generals there now not the same? (worse! command them turchinovye-like.)
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 16: 48
            -1
            Well, and got to the bottom of a cossack Cossack, that few people in Russia are fawning on their knees in front of the West, do not know these? Why trouble the city and sculpt cons
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 28 May 2014 16: 13
          0
          Quote: coolboy
          once again it’s not an army general, it’s like a Cossack

          and what is not like "Cossack", do not confuse blue whiting with a killer whale.
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 07
            0
            Well, Kozak is Ukrainian, in Ukraine they are Kozaki bully

            and in general, many of these characters are more like clowns; lol
        3. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 28 May 2014 21: 28
          0
          mamchur in Crimea with his hop company also shouted, "America is with us," and that now this surname was slipping among the leaders of the punishers, and the pilots of his unit were bombing Donetsk. in peaceful people in Donbass? this presentation looks more like surrender or an oath of vassalage.
    7. Irokez
      Irokez 28 May 2014 12: 14
      +2
      Gays knocked us down
      We kindly set them all up.
      Hemorrhoids are treated with the phallus
      And the rewards are spermocales for us.
    8. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 50
      -5
      stop posting misinformation, this is a dressed-up Cossack, do not humiliate the Ukrainians!
    9. D.V.
      D.V. 29 May 2014 06: 57
      +1
      How does it need to go down? Where is the honor of a soldier? A shame! Passed Ukraine is not expensive! Who said that Ukraine is rising from its knees? How can she do this with such generals?
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +17
    Alas, Russia so far apparently cannot send troops into Ukraine, which we are very actively pushing from across the ocean. Everything is being done to unleash a large-scale war in Europe .... and they themselves will observe from behind a puddle and receive dividends. It was the same in two world wars. Mattresses have no imagination, all in one pattern.
    1. ksv500
      ksv500 28 May 2014 09: 49
      +26
      I agree - the introduction of our troops is Washington’s goal! But one cannot sit out, Russia must act legally, semi-legally, but act. Fascism is never satisfied with the limits of its territory alone. Russia has no choice!
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 28 May 2014 10: 41
        +5
        Well, I think Russia is acting ... acting smile
        1. _my opinion
          _my opinion 28 May 2014 15: 38
          0
          acting ...
          in vain, have they recently created the MTR of Russia laughing
          but you and I are not given to know what is being done in this direction ...
          secrecy, you know ... velikukram and so behind every bush crowds of "GRU agents" appear laughing
    2. Bassman
      Bassman 28 May 2014 10: 45
      +1
      I think that only dragging Official Russia into the conflict will ensure the return of Crimea to the junta state department, so they’ll go out of their way to do this, and then the United States will have the opportunity through the UN, declaring the Russian Federation an aggressor, to do this with the help of international law. And Obama in chocolate - Russians and Ukrainians are wet each other, Ukraine is in NATO (NATO fleet in Crimea), Russia is demonized for peace and weakened, the United States is a beacon of wisdom and goodness for the whole world .... something like that sad some kind of gambit ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 22
        +8
        Quote: Bassman
        I think that only dragging Official Russia into the conflict will ensure the return of Crimea to the junta state department, so they’ll go out of their way to do this, and then the United States will have the opportunity through the UN, declaring the Russian Federation an aggressor, to do this with the help of international law

        Which way? The return of the Crimea is possible only in the event of a military defeat of Russia. In another way. It is already recognized by the West and left alone.
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 57
          -2
          It is not recognized by the West and the world as a whole, until it is very grumbling, because it is really difficult to take away, but the territory is unrecognized
      2. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 56
        -4
        but in general it’s true, however, whoever first took Crimea from Ukraine and gave hope to radically-minded pro-Russian forces in Ukraine, now they want the support of the Russian Federation and finish the job, and as you understand it, it’s only harmful to the Russian Federation
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 20
      +9
      Only the Syrian-Livonian option. And for this we need control over the border by the authorities of New Russia. After that, it’s possible to stuff with modern weapons and I don’t want to volunteers at all. One weak moment is heaven. but there is an option for the physical elimination of pilots fighting on the side of Kiev. As well as bullying their families and relatives. In short terror and terror again against the supporters of the Junta. And no regrets. But without terrorist attacks.
    4. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 54
      -3
      where did you get what you are pushing, nevertheless they don’t introduce the opposite, because then there will be open confrontation and mass casualties, in Europe the Americans do not need this either, do not need to look for evil only across the ocean, in Ukraine there are internal problems that external ones interfere with forces
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 May 2014 09: 38
    +26
    In my opinion, immediate steps must be taken by Russia! Not the introduction of troops, so help with weapons, humanitarian aid, and this is inappropriate to advertise in world circles. Also, you can send illegal scouts, this is a vast area for the special forces of the GRU General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the "Vympel" of the FSB of the Russian Federation to practice their skills, because soldiers become professionals only in war, that is, you can combine business with pleasure, and help the militia and raise a new generation scouts of the highest class!
    1. BYV
      BYV 28 May 2014 09: 42
      +2
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      so help weapons, humanitarian aid

      We are already helping. In a video from Donetsk I saw a militia shoot out of CORD. And we bring humanitarian aid openly.
      1. Boatsman_Palych
        Boatsman_Palych 28 May 2014 10: 11
        +6
        But it's time to introduce the no-fly zone and it's just right! In Libya, Dimon was not against it - officially. Now is the time to return the favor to Fushington. It is not for nothing that two radar stations in Donbass were destroyed by the "militiamen" - which controlled the southeastern approaches to Donbass.
    2. volga209
      volga209 28 May 2014 09: 49
      0
      Yes, I agree.
    3. thimble
      thimble 28 May 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      help with weapons, humanitarian aid

      In my opinion, it is extremely important that the DPR and LPR are vitally important for the militias to control at least several border crossings with Russia. After all, they were able to recapture Bolotov from ukrov when he returned from the Russian Federation after treatment.
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys 28 May 2014 11: 54
        -4
        Study student

        I think so there should be such a good bulk, the main thing is that the hands grew from the place where necessary! Then there will be a complete order. And stop moaning that there are no weapons.
        It can be seen at once either the girl or did not serve in the army. There you would be taught "If you don't know how to teach, if you don't want to force us."
      2. Ural guys
        Ural guys 28 May 2014 11: 54
        0
        Study student

        I think so there should be such a good bulk, the main thing is that the hands grew from the place where necessary! Then there will be a complete order. And stop moaning that there are no weapons.
        It can be seen at once either the girl or did not serve in the army. There you would be taught "If you don't know how to teach, if you don't want to force us."
    4. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 13: 58
      -4
      Yes, all this is already there, what do you think local heroes will be able to fight back from the ATO for months on their own?
  • sem-yak
    sem-yak 28 May 2014 09: 40
    -2
    You must first collect the debt for gas, and then you can "tighten the nuts"!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 May 2014 09: 40
    +16
    Quote: Alexey N

    Ukr general kneeling hands a saber to the former US ambassador. SHAME !!!

    Here it is the face of dill, lick the shoes of the owner and say that at the same time they are free!
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 28 May 2014 11: 01
      +3
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      Here it is the face of dill, lick the shoes of the owner and say that at the same time they are free!
      so this is the limit of their freedom, they have been to Poland since the hetman’s times, they went to their lords ... to lick, and at the same time boasted that they were free Cossacks ...
      1. Anper
        Anper 28 May 2014 11: 14
        +7
        Quote: Azzzwer
        so this is the limit of their freedom

        1. Djein
          Djein 28 May 2014 12: 46
          +2
          Quote: Anper
          Quote: Azzzwer so this is the limit of their freedom


          To say "softly" is not a fan of this song genre, but in this case ... you can't say more precisely ... The answer deserves respect ...
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  • mig31
    mig31 28 May 2014 09: 41
    +4
    Counteractions are needed, but it is impossible to endlessly appeal to the world of chaos, when it is already clear that fascism itself will not be eliminated ...
  • Georgic
    Georgic 28 May 2014 09: 42
    +10
    Strelkov said what to do. It is necessary that one squadron of combat helicopters crosses over (or suddenly appears) on the side of the militia!
    A very specific hint.
    1. gandalf
      gandalf 28 May 2014 09: 51
      +8
      Without air defense cover, helicopters will quickly be destroyed by tactical aircraft. First, air defense ...
  • Kaigal
    Kaigal 28 May 2014 09: 44
    +1
    The junta has a vague idea of ​​terrorism, because they themselves did not really encounter it. And in the face of civil war.
    1. Orik
      Orik 28 May 2014 10: 11
      +5
      Quote: Kaigal
      The junta has a vague idea of ​​terrorism, because they themselves did not really encounter it. And in the face of civil war.

      Judging by this correspondence ...
  • svp67
    svp67 28 May 2014 09: 47
    +1
    The attack of Bandera punishers on Donetsk with the use of aircraft immediately after the “presidential election” from the filing of the “freshly baked” Poroshenko said that this is not only a pre-planned operation - this is a new strategy of the Kiev junta, or rather, of Washington behind it.
    But it's still simple - they want to have time to "clean up the East" before the inauguration of the president ...
    1. thimble
      thimble 28 May 2014 13: 02
      0
      Quote: svp67
      have time to "clean up the East" before the inauguration of the president ...

      As Comrade Sukhov said: "This is hardly!"
  • Ural guys
    Ural guys 28 May 2014 09: 51
    +8
    The photo next to the truck shows three guys, one in the foreground and two in the background. Judging by the fact that they simply observe, it speaks of their renunciation and lack of involvement in the ongoing events, such as "we are a civilian population." All this suggests that the bulk of the population has clearly not reached much.
    It’s interesting to know if those 150 civilians who died in Donetsk on May 26.05 knew that they would have to lay down their heads so ingloriously, did they take up arms? Okay, no weapons. Let's assume. Well, everyone in the house has an ax, a hammer, a knife. Or only in Russia, when you are going on the road, there is always a "Colt" in the glove compartment, and a mount under the seat ?!
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 28 May 2014 10: 13
      +10
      Quote: Ural guys
      showing three guys, one in the foreground and two in the background. Judging by the fact that they are just watching, it speaks of their renunciation and lack of involvement in the ongoing events, such as "we are civilians." It all says oh the fact that the main mass of the population has so far clearly reached little.

      + To be honest, even the words ended ... in the orange-shaped Maidan they were told - lads .. what are you doing? but they only joyfully shmakali and spoke .. don’t meddle, we will heal now! then the bitterness of disappointment came .. set up a new maydaun. to them again - servants, what are you doing? but they are again with zombie tenacity for their own ... not only if you read their comments so they want their own people to die the same way - as we wanted death to the Syrian cannibals, killers of children and women ....
      I have one question - This is what you need to become in order for your people, your people to wish for a fierce death, to kill people who did not come to their house with weapons, WHAT IS TO BE?
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 28 May 2014 12: 33
      +2
      Quote: Ural guys
      Or only in Russia, when you are going on the road, there is always "Colt

      You're lucky, you can freely buy a Colt in the store. Inexpensive, probably? In Ukraine, rifled firearms are somehow absent from the free sale ... As well as ammunition. Yes, and with a mount on a helicopter ... they laughed at the Japanese that they with katanas they rushed at our tanks ... In modern conditions, against the forces of the Hutna, armed with automatic weapons, a crowd of people with mounts is stuffing. Heroic, but useless death of people of the DPR is not needed. It is necessary to mobilize and equip our armed forces with modern weapons, capable of hitting armored vehicles and aircraft of the junta. And ordinary people will not bring such equipment from home, and they do not rivet on their knees. DPR airspace, went to an emergency landing. Naturally, the DPR soldiers stole the cargo. And the population, who wishes, to arm the population with obsolete samples from mobile warehouses so that shots rained on the junta troops from all sides.
      1. Ural guys
        Ural guys 28 May 2014 13: 41
        -1
        To get or make weapons is not a problem, I have already covered this topic more than once. The question of its correct application and determination in action.
        But one thing I know for sure is that you can start small and continue.
        Moreover, no one canceled hand-to-hand combat.
        Even elementary counting in only in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics currently lives about 6,5 million people. Less old people and children. That is, the adult population is somewhere around 3-4 million people.
        Despite the fact that the Russian army at the moment is about 800 thousand people. When taking into account the territories of our country, as well as the length of the borders, it turns out that about 100 sq. M. Per one soldier kilometers.
        And here in Novorossiya alone, military formations can be formed as 5 armies of Russia alone. By the way, China also has an army of one million people.
        The question is different in weapons, ammunition, equipment, material support, food. All this, in principle, can be provided on their own. So, according to Wikipedia, you have so many factories there that it’s enough to arm the whole army that will be created. So you just have to be confident in yourself and your abilities. And in Ukraine you have a lot of such things

        And do not forget about the condition that I, specifically, I did today to ensure my flourishing future!
        And so if all the time wake up and moan, you will soon not be there at all. Think with your head.
        Look, during the Second World War, even the children fought.
        Learn the materiel!
      2. Ural guys
        Ural guys 28 May 2014 13: 41
        0
        To get or make weapons is not a problem, I have already covered this topic more than once. The question of its correct application and determination in action.
        But one thing I know for sure is that you can start small and continue.
        Moreover, no one canceled hand-to-hand combat.
        Even elementary counting in only in the Donetsk and Lugansk republics currently lives about 6,5 million people. Less old people and children. That is, the adult population is somewhere around 3-4 million people.
        Despite the fact that the Russian army at the moment is about 800 thousand people. When taking into account the territories of our country, as well as the length of the borders, it turns out that about 100 sq. M. Per one soldier kilometers.
        And here in Novorossiya alone, military formations can be formed as 5 armies of Russia alone. By the way, China also has an army of one million people.
        The question is different in weapons, ammunition, equipment, material support, food. All this, in principle, can be provided on their own. So, according to Wikipedia, you have so many factories there that it’s enough to arm the whole army that will be created. So you just have to be confident in yourself and your abilities. And in Ukraine you have a lot of such things

        And do not forget about the condition that I, specifically, I did today to ensure my flourishing future!
        And so if all the time wake up and moan, you will soon not be there at all. Think with your head.
        Look, during the Second World War, even the children fought.
        Learn the materiel!
      3. Klim podkova
        Klim podkova 28 May 2014 14: 49
        +3
        In Transnistria, in 1992, they manufactured weapons at their factory facilities. In New Russia, too, there are factories with the appropriate equipment.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 May 2014 09: 53
    +16
    It's time to do something .. The junta will not go to negotiations, this is definitely!
  • Dreamer
    Dreamer 28 May 2014 09: 54
    +2
    naive dill generals - they hope to jump off if they smell fried, but they don’t have time, and who will accept them ... am
  • Roshchin
    Roshchin 28 May 2014 09: 54
    +2
    It is necessary to introduce a no-fly zone for the military aviation of Ukraine over the South-East. The former "guarantor" DAM easily agreed with the Euro-American "peacekeepers" to introduce such a zone over Libya. It's time to land the Luftukrop aircraft.
  • Khalmamed
    Khalmamed 28 May 2014 10: 01
    +1
    ..... it’s made up, or rather, whoever stands behind them knows Krylov’s fable about a cockroach - how he rilled lions and foxes .., their strength is exactly the same as the fear of a first-grader before a punish 7th grader a second year student.
    ..... once to say firm NO, then embed and sho.
    ..... the country itself of rabble and bastards freed (pSaaki) was shastan empty (they recognized that the semi-literate Arabs blew up the towers) and fell (FRS).
    ..... you need to hit the head of the punks with his own weapon.
    ..... the sparrow ate the cockroach.
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  • Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 28 May 2014 10: 02
    +16
    Russia will help the New Russia and clearly and secretly. This is pushed by the very logic of events. Having a frankly hostile fascist state close by is a direct threat to the national security of the Russian Federation. If the field commanders of the DPR and the LPR will also establish close interaction with each other, Novorossia will survive.

  • Wolland
    Wolland 28 May 2014 10: 03
    +3
    This torment of the Ukrainian-Russian people, and indeed of the Slavic civilization, will not last long, soon there will be a tough rebuff about which no one even means .....
  • Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 28 May 2014 10: 05
    -21%
    In fact, even according to our media reports ("Vesti", for example), the intensification of hostilities in Donetsk occurred at the suggestion of the DPR - they arrived at the airport. Apparently, the arrival of the reinforcements created the illusion of great strength. And another question, in our media there is a lot of talk that ukrarmia is shooting at residential areas, but they are silent that the militia itself fires from these quarters (read the forums of residents of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk). And, by the way, I have never seen any real, namely real, concrete, claims to Kiev of those who took the weapon (this happened before Odessa and inflated the situation to an uncontrollable position). The one who was intimidated received less than 1% of the vote in the elections. Kiev also wants to give greater independence to the regions, electivity of their heads (remember, not so long ago in our, FEDERAL state, the heads of these subjects were appointed by the president, and even now there are direct There is nothing to say about financial independence - they are "granted" the right to pay, but money is not left for this. Everything goes to the center, and then descends to the regions (very similar to Ukraine).
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 27
      +5
      Quote: DoctorOleg
      but they are silent that the militia itself is firing from these quarters (read the forums of the residents of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk).

      Throw off at least something to read.
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 28 May 2014 13: 02
        -4
        www.torum.org But right now for some reason it doesn’t open, so I can’t drop the text. In the morning I read the news from them - there is a branch where they describe online what is happening
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 12: 05
      +4
      Quote: DoctorOleg
      The one who scared received less than 1% of the vote.

      Don't you take Lyashko into account? His percent plus Yarosh - now almost 10 turns out! That is how it should be considered, because this is an indicator of all really sick in the head .. by conservative estimates, about three million "crazy". With a certain inertia of the bulk of the population, this is a terrible figure.
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 28 May 2014 12: 58
        -6
        In fact, our media constantly wrote only about Yarosh.
        See how many percent of us vote for Zhirinovsky, and what kind of hero of Russia we have at the head of the subject of the federation. Is this adequate? Everyone has their own Lyashko
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 06
          -5
          I just wrote the same thing above :) yes, unfortunately, propaganda has done its job, now they are spraying saliva on Ukrainians, constantly humiliating me, I’m just freaking out from such a stubborn position, people don’t want to think and draw info from different sources, and there’s a completely different picture . It doesn’t happen that everyone around you says that you are wrong, but one says that there are fools around!
        2. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 28 May 2014 21: 54
          +1
          yes there is a zombie population, they were brainwashed by the SMD for two months that the prezik should be elected in the first round and candidate No. 1 was a piglet, that's all the people who came for him voted for him. And as for the candidates, half the yaros there didn’t differ.
      2. Commander
        Commander 28 May 2014 13: 46
        +2
        Moreover, Yarosh’s votes could be understated when summing up
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 42
          -4
          and who will deal with these falsifications, this can only be done with a powerful admin. apparatus and he is now in touch, in addition there are exit polls and the results are the same. You are simply a victim of deception and propaganda of the right sector and Yarosh, its influence and participation is negligible - this is more PR!
      3. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 04
        -2
        so what? there is a zhirik in the Russian Federation, he will have more%, that now there are a lot of "crazy" in the Russian Federation, these are elections, whoever they want and get elected, it is significant that this is a moderate person from the old government team
      4. vlad63
        vlad63 29 May 2014 11: 38
        +1
        + Tymoshenko and ALL the rest.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 28 May 2014 12: 45
      +3
      Quote: DoctorOleg
      they are silent that the militia itself is firing from these quarters (read the forums of the residents of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk).

      Do you think that it would be reasonable for the militias to go out into the "open field", and, like in a knightly tournament, "butt" the junta's troops? With full quantitative and qualitative superiority to the junta in armored vehicles and aviation. Are you serious? and the DPR junta. They do not compete in war, they use available means. Therefore, I have a counter offer for the forces of the junta, to leave 2500 people, 6 BMD, 3 armored personnel carriers in the theater of operations, withdraw all tanks and aircraft, all artillery, and go ahead, conduct ATO Honestly. You tell them there, maybe they will agree?
      1. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 28 May 2014 13: 05
        -5
        I can’t convey, I live in Russia and have no relation to any authorities. But do you think it’s more honest to hide in residential areas, and when a civilian dies, shouting that the junta purposefully kills them? Who imposed the war is a question. Who was the first to take the machine?
      2. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 07
        -4
        the problem is that they fire from residential areas, I substitute peaceful people!
        1. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 28 May 2014 22: 12
          +2
          like on the Maidan because of the backs "they are children" on the Berkut, thanks to the maydanuty they taught everyone how to act. and if seriously the junta offered and allowed the civilian population to leave Slavyansk, no, they specifically fire on residential areas in order to set the population against the militias and what would people themselves drove them out of the city. I immediately understood this tactic, there is no need for a big mind.
    4. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 03
      -4
      all right, if there were many victims among the civilian population, there have long been photo-video data from each mobile phone, while on the Internet there are only photos of killed Ukrainian military and separatist militias
    5. sPS
      sPS 29 May 2014 12: 40
      0
      the militia shoots while on its own land and Natsik immigrants and do not be offended by figs .. the ground should burn under the legs of dill ...
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 28 May 2014 10: 05
    +5
    I saw a photo that was humiliating for veterans, I felt spat upon, it’s not our veteran, our photos didn’t crush fascism and restore the country. From the very first days, the head of Ukraine decided to mark himself as a brother by reason from Georgia, namely, to solve the problem of dissidents with weapons, moreover, the army does not want to fight - they are fighting with the inhabitants of rabble almost from all over the world, including local thugs. How will Donbass continue to live after everything is flooded with the blood of the population there? Elections only deepened the conflict in the country, now everything will be supplemented by internal clashes that smoldered before the elections
    1. coolboy
      coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 10
      -4
      What civilians are fighting - where are the facts? only with those who have weapons in their hands, and what would be done with such separatists in Russia
      1. spd2001
        spd2001 28 May 2014 14: 17
        +1
        here look "Ukrainian Chimera against Light Russia" on the Main page of this site. Although ... why do you need it ?!
        1. coolboy
          coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 43
          -5
          you write here what you want to say by this?
          1. spd2001
            spd2001 28 May 2014 16: 49
            -2
            Now nothing. Now I see who you are. To ignore. stop
            1. coolboy
              coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 29
              0
              when you have nothing to say, then immediately the troll!
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 26
            0
            Quote: coolboy
            what do you mean by that?

            Nothing more than _
  • Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 28 May 2014 10: 10
    +5
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    In my opinion, immediate steps must be taken by Russia! Not the introduction of troops, so help with weapons, humanitarian aid, and this is inappropriate to advertise in world circles. Also, you can send illegal scouts, this is a vast area for the special forces of the GRU General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the "Vympel" of the FSB of the Russian Federation to practice their skills, because soldiers become professionals only in war, that is, you can combine business with pleasure, and help the militia and raise a new generation scouts of the highest class!

    I already have illegal help))) I hope everyone drew attention to the presence of decent weapons in the rebels in Donetsk (RPG, MANPADS, AGS) they still drive on brand new Kamaz trucks))) The one in the photo is clearly not Soviet-made.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Alex-z84
      they drive on brand new Kamaz trucks)

      KamAZ did not stop working with Ukraine. And then, it can be trophy ones, or donetsk ones received "before that". And there is NO help there! Here is perhaps illegal ... but not at the suggestion of the authorities, but rather, in spite of.
  • Stasi
    Stasi 28 May 2014 10: 10
    +10
    If the militia of the South-East does not unite, does not act coherently under a single command, then the pravoseki and the junta will achieve their goal. It's time for the militias to go on the offensive, to conduct offensive actions. It is necessary to unleash a guerrilla war against the troops of the junta and law enforcement officers, attack the posts, arrange ambushes and night raids. Militias can do all this, because they are on their land, they know the area. It is necessary to destroy the arsenals and equipment of the enemy. Only the answer in the form of a large-scale guerrilla warfare throughout the Southeast is able to sober up the Kiev junta, drunk from blood and impunity, and force them to sit at the negotiating table, and the leaders will dictate the conditions or, best of all, a single leader from the Southeast.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: Stasi
      If the militia of the South-East does not unite, does not act coherently under a single command, then the pravoseki and the junta will achieve their goal.

      In theory, the Maidan people had to clean out all those who disagree for a long time.
      In fact, despite all their attempts, a lot of blood and no result.
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 11
        -4
        what maydanuty - there are normal people there? the problems are that the Ukrainian army is ruined, local militias are hiding in residential neighborhoods, and this whole thing stretches
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Stasi
      will not act coherently under a single command

      Under what "one command" ?! There, there are military professionals on the fingers of one hand! Give the general a division of recruits - and he will lay it all down, failing to defeat the regular army battalion!
  • B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 28 May 2014 10: 11
    +6
    Today I looked at the NBN website and read an "interesting" commentary to the article "Before the elections, only a third of Russians knew about the existence of Poroshenko," I quote the text literally: "In fact, Poroshenko was an" Erudite "in childhood and jumped over one from the 6th grade ... And in general, Putin never dreamed of such an education as Poroshenko! Putin is a TERRORIST # 1 and TOWER OF GEMINI BLASTED FROM HIS SUPPLY AND JUST THEN RUSSIA BEGAN TO RISE ECONOMICALLY AND OBAMA KNOWS IT! Here's a "pearl" I came across, I suspect that these are fresh propaganda materials from the State Department, but how many more will there be ?!
    1. Djein
      Djein 28 May 2014 12: 16
      -5
      [quote = B.TV] Today looked at the MFN site ...

      You are proud that you brought this dirt here ... ???
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 28 May 2014 12: 58
        +5
        1. I don’t remember that we switched to you.
        2. This is information.
        3. Rudeness has not adorned anyone. hi
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  • mamont5
    mamont5 28 May 2014 10: 25
    +1
    "therefore, Tymoshenko gave way to this" Moor "- so that he did" his dirty work ", after which he would be" left "."

    And after who? Tymoshenko? Oh well, not serious. It is unlikely that the Americans will bet on her.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: mamont5
      It is unlikely that the Americans will bet on her.

      Justify!
      For me, everything is logical: Timokhin’s position is consistent, and has always been anti-Russian. And she is not a wimp in the political game! She promised Parashka the third maidan! So why does it suddenly give up?
      Alternatively, on the recommendation of your supervisors: sit still, Parash will clean up the Donbass, pour blood on your very own - and then you will have to "remove" him, for the sake of public opinion .. and who is following in the presidential race? Right, Yulka!
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 13
        -4
        ehh you are far from reality in Ukraine, it has already been screwed up specifically, it will not gain a lot of%. Regarding the anti-Russian position, this is more of a myth - it already agreed very well with Putin. The fact that Poroshenko will have to go tight is understandable, an active society has grown in Ukraine, if he does not solve the problems, he will certainly be demolished, but his own!
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      And after who? Tymoshenko?

      And who about Poroshenko, as a political activist in general, most recently knew?
      It seems like a completely different matter here, what constitution is currently in force in Ukraine?
      Like BP said _ 2004. And according to her, who is the president? Not even a switchman! He can even translate arrows, and their president can only be present when translating arrows on him!
  • air wolf
    air wolf 28 May 2014 10: 26
    +2
    Guys! Something that we all lost activity, before there were hundreds of comments, now a dozen, or are we no longer interested in the Russian brothers in Novorossia? But Russians do not abandon the war! So be more active, because the Nazis are pouring out "dezu" full.
    1. Djein
      Djein 28 May 2014 12: 23
      +1
      [quote = air wolf] Guys! Something that we all lost activity ...

      Tired of ... lies ... a stranger and his own ... The worst happened .... words have lost their original meaning and depth ... The soul cannot stand that amount of filth and meanness, what is happening in the world and around ...
      A world built on lies and meanness should be like that ...
      Not in those who are called a person of those qualities that should be
      in Man ... and ascribing them to yourself is an empty thing ..... I always hoped that somewhere ... but there are GOOD PEOPLE ... I would give everything so that they WERE but ... Judging by what is happening around ...... I doubt that they will miss the written, and I have no doubt that I will hear back ... It’s a more pleasant lie ... To want to hear the truth, you have to be him ... HUMAN ..... Sad and scary ...
      1. Vladimir73
        Vladimir73 28 May 2014 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: Djein
        Tired of ... lies ... a stranger and his own ... The worst happened .... words have lost their original meaning and depth ... The soul cannot stand that amount of filth and meanness, what is happening in the world and around ...


        Less pessimism !!!! As if before this was not. The information war is on and gaining momentum. And if you’re just tired of analyzing the information around, take a break.

        Thanks for the article. hi Without URA-patriotism, calmly, without strong emotions ... good
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  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 May 2014 10: 37
    +2
    Thanks Victor for the article! hi
    openly provide her with non-lethal and humanitarian assistance. After all, Fashington recognized the “Syrian rebels” and is helping them.
    Great thought! And all according to the law. Let them try to prove the opposite ...
  • major071
    major071 28 May 2014 10: 37
    +7
    Ukraine has a new phasington pig
    The king of sweets and the chocolate "god"
    Yes, but he doesn’t have enough strength
    To crush Donetsk and the entire South-East
    Not yet a post
    Proclaimed - Donetsk should not live
    Otherwise, perched on a chair
    To him from "USA" to deserve a bun?
    You little pig wait and don't worry
    The earth is round, proven long ago
    And no matter how you rave today
    Calling yourself "king" - you will remain a der. laughing
  • mackonya
    mackonya 28 May 2014 10: 37
    +4
    Yes, it is necessary to send a "wave" of social movements: Israel, Germany and others, have already put together teams to help the South-East. They cannot prohibit, shoot at foreign charitable organizations, and investigate and apologize every time. If you want "peace," then you need to help the whole world.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 28 May 2014 10: 57
    +3
    recognize New Russia, the referendum of which Russia “respects”, after which it is possible to openly render non-lethal and humanitarian assistance to it. After all, Fashington recognized the “Syrian rebels” and is helping them.
    This, of course, is a clear counterattack on the State Department, it is "fraught", but other options are worse.


    Much worse along the way? Sometimes a strong fire has to be extinguished with the help of another, oncoming fire, in order to prevent it from spreading, and in this I completely agree with the author, it is necessary to "help" the United States to get bogged down in the conflicts unleashed by them, by supplying "non-lethal" weapons to the opponents of the State Department, by the way consonant with Gestapo.
  • Martos1977
    Martos1977 28 May 2014 11: 04
    -17%
    Hello everyone. I'm a new person here. Just registered. I read your comments here. And, one I can not understand the answer to the question. Here tell me CITIZENS OF RUSSIA !!! What is the difference between the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya against Dudaev and his separatist militias, who wanted to secede from the Russian Federation from the same counter-terrorist operation in the east and south-east of Ukraine, which is carried out by Ukrainian troops in order to stop the collapse of the country?
    I believed that double standards were a privilege exclusively of the West. But, it seems now our authorities have adopted it. I will be glad to hear your opinion.
    1. RADIK
      RADIK 28 May 2014 11: 21
      +12
      And you are not too lazy and go to the archive data and read how Chechnya began and where the Maidan started and why the southeast decided to secede. And who financed it all. You may find a resemblance, or maybe you won’t understand anything. And the double standard is only that Crimea was helped and Novorossia is not visible.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 28 May 2014 12: 03
        +4
        Quote: RADIK
        And you are not too lazy

        А You do not be lazy, go to the profile Martos1977 and read his posts.
      2. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 16
        -6
        what kind of SOUTH-EAST, why are you equating all regions to the same level, but only in Donetsk and Lugansk regions, the rest is quiet. In Crimea, everything went quickly because the entire local elite quickly surrendered the Crimea and repainted under the new government
    2. RADIK
      RADIK 28 May 2014 11: 21
      +2
      And you are not too lazy and go to the archive data and read how Chechnya began and where the Maidan started and why the southeast decided to secede. And who financed it all. You may find a resemblance, or maybe you won’t understand anything. And the double standard is only that Crimea was helped and Novorossia is not visible.
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 11: 46
      +6
      Quote: Martos1977
      from the same counter-terrorism operation in the east and south-east of Ukraine, which is carried out by Ukrainian troops in order to stop the collapse of the country?

      You, newcomer, have come to the wrong site: you have a straight road to the "Censor"! There you will be supported and told. And here Natsik's zaslants are calculated quickly - despite the politeness and culture of speech.
    4. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 12: 07
      +7
      Quote: Martos1977
      I'm a new person here.

      Not for long.
    5. sinukvl
      sinukvl 28 May 2014 12: 09
      +8
      Residents of Donbass did not blow up buildings in Kiev and Lviv, did not seize and shoot children in Mirgorod schools, did not expel and did not cut out Western Ukrainians from their territory, but the Dudaevtsy did exactly the same. as they say before writing anything it would not be bad to study the mat. part, troll.
      1. coolboy
        coolboy 28 May 2014 14: 17
        -5
        and where does the residents of Donbass, the ATO goes against people with weapons, ordinary people don’t touch
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 28 May 2014 16: 35
          +1
          Quote: coolboy
          and where does the residents of Donbass, the ATO goes against people with weapons, ordinary people do not touch

          Tell it to the lost "common people"
          1. coolboy
            coolboy 28 May 2014 17: 11
            0
            I'm not saying that there are no dead. it’s a war, and people often die in it. that’s why the militia is hiding in residential quarters, let them go into the forests and civilians will not die.
            and they organized firing points in residential development, there is a war under all the rules with the use of aviation and artillery. Would you yourself go to conduct ATO in Chechnya without fire support? it's all baby talk. Militias need to get out of the city and not hide behind people, they create problems for them. I spoke recently with a woman from Donetsk, she was pro-Russian, now she’s afraid of bandits with AK that run there under the guise of a militia and don’t know where to leave!
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 28 May 2014 17: 41
              +1
              Quote: coolboy
              there is a war by all rules with the use of aviation and artillery

              Do not get from the cap manual?
              For confirmation that there is a war using aircraft and artillery.
              1. coolboy
                coolboy 28 May 2014 18: 22
                0
                what guidance?

                all infa from open sources from Ukraine, at first they scared just by visits, now they hit at some points, mortar fire has been conducted for a long time. In response from the separatists, shots from MANPADS, ATGMs, rocket launchers and sniper fire from a residential area. Now, the misfortune in Ukrainian helicopters is saying that the complexes for countering MANPADS are now setting the separatists are not doing business. And how they wanted to take the AK and shake the rights like we are the new government. In the Russian Federation, they would have already been torn into molecules from RPGs, by a bumblebee, or by bombing for one current, demanding a referendum or separation!
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: coolboy
                  bad luck on Ukrainian helicopters say anti-aircraft systems

                  From KPVT complexes have not yet been invented.
                  1. coolboy
                    coolboy 28 May 2014 19: 10
                    -2
                    maybe it’s better to think not how to kill a Ukrainian pilot, because he also has a mother and a family. And think about how to fix this mess?
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 28 May 2014 20: 03
                      0
                      Quote: coolboy
                      And think about how to fix this mess?

                      Why is everything already decided _
                      1. Ural guys
                        Ural guys 29 May 2014 10: 17
                        +1
                        Do not worry, everything is quite normal. Even if there remains one militia fighter there, this is already a serious threat to all dill and their accomplices.
                        Remember the story "Not on the lists"

                        He alone was able to chain two SS divisions for long six months.
                      2. Ural guys
                        Ural guys 29 May 2014 10: 17
                        0
                        Do not worry, everything is quite normal. Even if there remains one militia fighter there, this is already a serious threat to all dill and their accomplices.
                        Remember the story "Not on the lists"

                        He alone was able to chain two SS divisions for long six months.
                    2. svd-xnumx
                      svd-xnumx 28 May 2014 22: 44
                      0
                      so Russia since February 21 has been talking at all corners of how to stop this mess, remember the agreement of the same date, the Geneva agreements. what we received in response - sanctions, howling "withdraw the troops." Withdrew the troops immediately began to shoot people from planes. they want Russia to act as a peacemaker and do everything in spite of common sense and Ukrainians suffer. To hell with him with Yanukovych, he ran away, and okay, but why did they disagree with the coup press so hard? . there is no "government of winners", the governors of the sponsors of the Maidan.
    6. Anper
      Anper 28 May 2014 12: 15
      +6
      Quote: Martos1977
      What is the difference between the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya against Dudaev and his separatist militias, who wanted to secede from the Russian Federation from the same counter-terrorist operation in the east and south-east of Ukraine, which is carried out by Ukrainian troops in order to stop the collapse of the country?

      From Ukraine.
      They wanted to tear Chechnya away from Russia in order to make a base of terrorism there, a kind of danger everlasting for Russia. Do you think that if Chechnya suddenly separated, it would become a prosperous state and someone would create something there? And separatism is already a consequence. Inspired, by the way. And aimed at the destruction of the Russian type of civilization.
      If you have money, you can hire at least Chechens, even Lithuanians, even Evno Fishelevich Azef himself. Chechens are cheaper, because it was Chechnya that was turned into the main base of terrorism. In promotions of this kind, it’s not so much specific performers that are important as “customers” - those who discussed and planned the promotions. And who planned the promotions? Where was all this planned?
      In Ukraine, they prevent the collapse of the country in order to again create a center of tension as close to the borders of Russia as possible. A so-called separatists are just fighting for the preservation and unity of our common, I hope, lifestyle - worldview, attitude, no matter how arrogant it sounds. From the point of view of the Kiev junta, they are separatists. But again, who planned it and where?
      WHOSE DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE PRESENT? Remember, at least, Yugoslavia.
    7. Bober
      Bober 28 May 2014 12: 50
      +3
      Good afternoon Martos. Do not consider this post instructive, but allegorically the ambiguities of such situations are that when people decide to learn the alphabet, many begin to learn it not from the letter A. Starting to learn its middle, a person simply does not know some letters. At some time, it seems to him that he begins to recognize many letters that he had already seen before, but he cannot read the whole text. Some try to learn the rest of the letters, and some just ask them to explain what is written. I want to say right away that I also do not know all the letters. A small number of people know them, and only a few can read with intonation and punctuation marks. As an example, I can cite: Execution cannot be pardoned. Why did I decide to answer like that? Because if I start making arguments, you will always have counter-arguments. There will be no end to it. It will be necessary to rise to the level of morality moving away from matter. Morality is always higher, therefore the Baby son came to his father and asked the baby .... So the concepts of Good and Bad are very clear moral concepts that must be laid in childhood. Well, regarding the consequences regarding your post. Was it Beslan a terrorist act or just an act of expressing the will of protesters? Define yourself.
    8. spd2001
      spd2001 28 May 2014 13: 05
      +4
      Have you ever heard of a united Caucasus? Are you sure you know the goals of the Wahhabis? Do you know who fought on the side of the so-called Chechen separatists? Do you know whom the "free Chechens" killed along with the fighters of the Russian Federation? If you knew the correct answers to these questions. you wouldn't ask your stupid questions. Learn materiel, it is not clear whose CITIZEN.
    9. Alll1
      Alll1 28 May 2014 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: Martos1977
      Hello everyone. I'm a new person here. Just registered. I read your comments here. And, one I can not understand the answer to the question. Here tell me CITIZENS OF RUSSIA !!! What is the difference between the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya against Dudaev and his separatist militias, who wanted to secede from the Russian Federation from the same counter-terrorist operation in the east and south-east of Ukraine, which is carried out by Ukrainian troops in order to stop the collapse of the country?
      I believed that double standards were a privilege exclusively of the West. But, it seems now our authorities have adopted it. I will be glad to hear your opinion.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 28 May 2014 11: 13
    +1
    the most important thing is not to stop fighting
  • ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 13
    +6
    Obamych is clearly overplayed. In the past few days, he has managed to tear. Not only with Russia but also with China. the guy obviously can tear.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 May 2014 11: 13
    +5
    It is necessary to give Novorossia many MANPADS and instructors to them, to ensure their intelligence. data on the movements of enemy strike aircraft ...... now it is necessary to defend against air attacks !!!
  • KC4E
    KC4E 28 May 2014 11: 14
    +4
    Quote: maxcor1974
    In the first option, despite the difficulties of an economic nature and partial political isolation, in the long run there are some pluses: economic, political, military integration of ALL of New Russia with Russia, an increase in Russia's population by 25 million people, strengthening of defense potential, GDP growth, and containment NATO

    Many "for", including me. What do we need to isolate them? We are a rich huge country, there are also allied countries, some are forced to be friends with us. And most importantly, the fragmentation of the Slavs will stop and will still remain. Morally and politically beneficial to defend eastern Ukraine ...
  • zone72
    zone72 28 May 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Yes, then Putin disappoints hell with these fascists, well, they will make the ban again and then it will turn out to be like with Ossetia
  • tokin1959
    tokin1959 28 May 2014 11: 36
    +2
    Quote: Alexey N
    Let us choose at least every month Ukrainian prezik,


    I agree, but it's better to "legitimize" them through the Maidan.
    the more they kill each other, the better.
  • KC4E
    KC4E 28 May 2014 11: 38
    0
    Quote: air wolf
    or are Russian brothers in Novorossia no longer interested in us? But the Russians do not abandon the war!

    Why then are you not yet in the DPR militia? Or are you "couch special forces" (as Igor Strelkov put it)? Nothing personal. For the DPR and LPR, the soul hurts.
  • avia1991
    avia1991 28 May 2014 11: 42
    +1
    If the States brought fascists to power in Ukraine, order them to carry out “punitive operations,” whitewash them and give them a “political roof,” they too smell of fascism.

    Ha! And where, in fact, did the majority of fascist derelicts after the Second World War escape? And the same Bandera? There is nothing surprising in this position of the Amer administration .. And there can be only one conversation with the fascists: complete and unconditional destruction!
  • Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 28 May 2014 11: 42
    +1
    SLAVAN unity is fear for the EU and the USA.

    DNI and LC - I think they get help, we just don’t need to know this yet.
    All in good time.
  • Palladium900
    Palladium900 28 May 2014 11: 45
    +4
    Attack of Bandera punitive in Donetsk with the use of aircraft .. What to do?
    To begin with, urgently supply the Strelkovites with MANPADS and ATGMs. If this is not done, it must be a thermonuclear cause. Putin himself is an officer and also sees such photos.
    1. Roshchin
      Roshchin 28 May 2014 13: 19
      +2
      Not only provide MANPADS and ATGMs but also train tactics for use.
      1. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm 28 May 2014 13: 33
        +1
        Not only provide MANPADS and ATGMs but also train tactics for use.

        It seems that even with a needle and an arrow it will no longer be easy to knock a turntable. Dill installed a modernized Adros KT-01AVE on the turntables, so our militias can’t shoot them down, this is a challenge to our manufacturers of needles and arrows for their modernization. Here is a photo of Adros installed on a dill turntable. more details here http://militarizm.livejournal.com/13374.html
        1. Fanat1984
          Fanat1984 30 May 2014 23: 24
          0
          Well, h ... he knows what is installed there and is it not installation at all, BUT in 1998 the Igla-2 MANPADS was put into service. Here she does not care until the latest developments of the Americans and other similar sponsors of Ukrainian Nazism. If you are interested, you can look on the Internet, there is a lot about it !!!
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    2. ATATA
      ATATA 28 May 2014 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Palladium900
      If this is not done, it must be a thermonuclear cause.

      It would not be a sin to voice a thermonuclear cause.
    3. Codename49
      Codename49 28 May 2014 14: 52
      0
      We will see, and not even that, get ready people. America is going all in. Get ready this is just the beginning :(.
    4. Codename49
      Codename49 28 May 2014 14: 54
      0
      Over all the peasants Russia is undergoing military training
  • Nikxnumx
    Nikxnumx 28 May 2014 11: 45
    +5
    What to do? And here is what.
  • coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 28 May 2014 11: 49
    0
    However, Moscow may respond more subtly, asymmetrically, for example

    Arrange regular exercises somewhere in the China Sea.
  • KC4E
    KC4E 28 May 2014 11: 52
    +3
    Quote: Scoun
    THIS IS WHOM TO BE?

    A successful "moronization" of the younger generation has passed. Russia has the same "prospects" ...
  • Crang
    Crang 28 May 2014 11: 57
    +3
    In August 2008, President Medvedko, so unloved by many, worked in a similar situation clearly and correctly. He defended South Ossetia from Georgian thugs under the leadership of NATO instructors (many of them died there) and Russia recognized its independence. It was not the hysteria of the West that helped, nor the threat of sanctions, nor the buildup of their military presence. This despite the fact that the Georgian army, consisting mostly of idiots, was much better prepared and equipped. For example, they were armed with quite a few powerful T-72SIM-I tanks, which they actively used. What we see now. The people of Lugansk and Donetsk held a referendum and formed the independent state of Little Russia. Our Russian brothers are being killed in this independent state. They are shooting from aviation and artillery. What makes the so beloved "great and almighty"? It does nothing. Just looking at it and that's it. The troops have been withdrawn from the border. The poor militias of heavy weapons have only one self-propelled gun "NONA-S" and several ATGM "Fagot". There are practically no effective air defense systems. Otherwise, only hand weapons and light artillery systems. They faint under the weight of the struggle with the Kiev beast. If President V.V. Putin will not recognize the independence of Little Russia in the near future and will not provide it with significant military assistance, this will mean:
    1. Russians (under Putin) in their war THROW.
    2. Putin's rating will soon again fall below the plinth.
    3. If Kiev bandits still manage to defeat the army of the DNI and LC, this will give the world one very important sign - Russians can still be defeated and subdued.
    4. In the long run, we can see in Ukraine either a NATO member or a state that, having pumped up muscles militarily (not without the help of the West of course), will rush at us like a mad dog. There are plenty of reasons. Starting from the Crimea and ending with the fact that they just hate us.
    This is what the policy of our dear, "far-sighted" president is leading to.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 28 May 2014 13: 57
      +4
      Quote: Krang
      1. Russians (under Putin) in their war DROP.
      2. Putin's rating will soon again fall below the plinth.
      3. If the Kiev bandits still manage to defeat the army of the DPR and LPR, then this will give the world one very important sign - RUSSIANS can still be defeated and subdued.
      4. In the long run, we can see in Ukraine either a NATO member or a state that, having pumped up muscles militarily (not without the help of the West of course), will rush at us like a mad dog. There are plenty of reasons. Starting from the Crimea and ending with the fact that they just hate us.
      This is what the policy of our dear, "far-sighted" president is leading to.

      At 100 pounds truth!
      But here it is useless to explain it to the majority, for them Putin is an icon.
      So I imagine ... I’m walking with a friend along the street, we are being attacked by a molehill and starting to blow my friend, and I stand and think: I’m not yet ready to intervene, now I need to think it over and evaluate the consequences ...
      A friend, meanwhile, is being beaten ... a friend is already bleeding ...
      This is how Putin behaves towards the residents of Donbass and Lugansk.
      1. Orel
        Orel 28 May 2014 19: 46
        +1
        It is very difficult to look at the photos of the killed militias. But there are photos of murdered women and children. Slavs, Russians, Ukrainians. Primarily. Slavic blood is pouring. And one empty treble.
        1) Why is there no military assistance to Russia?
        The answer is obvious: the money that was stolen by the scammers-oligarchs, including the so-called friends of Putin, all these Abramovichs, Vekselbergs, Timchenko and other friends and non-friends are stored in the West. In the case of military assistance, they will not be. Plus, toughening sanctions and a bucket called the Russian economy will cease to exist. This is a colonial economy, so it completely depends on the West. Who built this shitty economy for us? Clear. The bitter irony is that the West still confiscates the stolen loot of the oligarchs. He has a moral right to this, because he considers our oligarchs a thief. WHAT COMPLETELY COMPLIES WITH REALITY. So Putin, by and large, has nowhere to go. His only chance is to help the Slavs in the Southeast and destroy the fifth column in the Kremlin. There is little hope for this, but with every slain she weakens. If Putin does not help the Southeast, then his fate will be tragic. Like Milosevic and others.
      2. 222222
        222222 28 May 2014 21: 53
        +2
        Krang (3) SU Today, 11:57 - ATATA (3) SU Today, 13:57 ↑
        "The truth is 100 poods!"
        ..the most severe informational (psychological) war is going on .. on all fronts .. the main blow to Russia and the explosives Putin from all calibers. The "thoughts" necessary for the West are thrown:
        - if Russia introduces troops to Ukraine, then this is the third world war
        -Putin should not send troops to Ukraine and substitute his citizens for death
        - Russia has no right to help DNR militias
        -Ukraine itself must solve its problems
        .. etc..
        ..pours like from a leaky garbage can This is all Western brad and its weapons against Russia, clearly organized in time, content, goals and objectives ... while it works (how such an information attack on GDP worked immediately after being elected for a second term-- "Will Putin go to the THIRD term?" And so they brazenly beat the whole second term. It worked ... As a resident who respects the law, he paused on the Constitution. Although ...) .. This can be seen even now .. they are hammering for 25 hours per day..
        If the Russian Federation has strategic interests in the region, they must be decided .......
        Look at what American guys are dying thousands of kilometers far from their homeland, for the strategic interests of the United States .. (http://www.defense.gov/releases/) and their so-called partners in the "International Coalition" .. 30 countries sent their guys die and carry chestnuts out of the fire for Uncle Sam ..
        1. 222222
          222222 28 May 2014 22: 22
          +2
          FROM the last speech of Obama: "In his speech, Obama attacked Russia and China. He directly threatened the two countries that the United States will be forced to use its army if it considers that there are cases of territorial aggression.
          "Regional aggression that goes unpunished - in southern Ukraine, in the South China Sea or elsewhere in the world, will ultimately affect our allies and may involve our army," Obama said. “The challenge for your generation will be to respond to this new world. Now the question is not whether America will be the leader, but how it will lead ”," http://www.e-news.su/info/12461-barak-obama-prigrozil-rossii-i-kitayu- prim
          eneniem-armii-v-sluchae-proyavleniya-agressii.html
          ..in English from the White House..http: //www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/05/28/remarks-president-un
          ited-states-military-academy-commencement-ceremony
          1. Crang
            Crang 29 May 2014 11: 30
            +1
            Let them pull in. We will fight. We didn’t start it, but they don’t need to scare us. Let them be afraid.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 28 May 2014 12: 04
    +3
    what to do what to do .. Decide everything is peaceful and civilized. Sit down and decide. And decide!
    It’s just that Kiev is unlikely to go for wide autonomy, so you need to put pressure on it ..
    And specific goals - complete independence? The war to the end in Kiev? But after all, by the forces of one DPR and LPR, Kiev will be able to curtail a dream (behind him are sponsors and 2/3 of Ukraine itself)
    But it is necessary to decide ... the continuation of this whole confrontation is untwisted.
    1. Palladium900
      Palladium900 28 May 2014 12: 32
      +4
      To solve everything peacefully and in a civilized manner. Sit down and decide. And decide!
      Ukraine's goals are secondary! US goal: weakening Russia and the EU, Ukraine joining NATO (US missiles on our borders), shale gas for Biden. Whether America will be able to in an amicable way, at the negotiating table, abandon all this, and even in conditions of "de-dollarization" and the onset of such politicians as Marine Le Pen in the EU is a big question. America has no time ...
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  • coolvoldik
    coolvoldik 28 May 2014 12: 15
    +5
    But after all, by the forces of one DPR and LPR, Kiev will be able to curtail a dream (behind him are sponsors and 2/3 of Ukraine itself)

    Now it is not necessary to fold Kiev. It is enough to preserve the core of the new "Ukraine" - Novorossiya.
    Over time, Novorossia will gather all other lands of the former Ukraine.
  • Semenov
    Semenov 28 May 2014 12: 58
    +2
    Everything goes on as usual. It is highly doubtful that, given a common border with Novorossiya, Russia will surrender without a fight. Probably, Putin takes into account Transnistria, the supply routes of Crimea, the EU's reaction, and the economic situation in Ukraine. We have emotions, he has analytics and cold calculation, "nothing personal."
  • RADIK
    RADIK 28 May 2014 13: 01
    +7
    "The latest actions of the new illegal Ukrainian authorities, seeking to" cleanse "the recalcitrant east of Ukraine before the inauguration of the new illegal president and not going to negotiate with either Novorossia or Russia, is a new humiliation of Russia. The same as in the 1990s in Yugoslavia or in In the 2000s in Libya, they do not want to and do not even intend to reckon with Russia, and even more so to pay off debts for the natural gas supplied earlier.

    But now is not the time and the wrong situation. The war has come to the Russian doorstep. In Ukraine, Russian people are being killed, part of the Russian world is being destroyed. And at the head of Russia is now another person who really does not like to personally humiliate his or his country. Now Russia’s non-interference in the affairs of Ukraine is a betrayal of both the Russian people in Ukraine and Ukraine itself, in which zombie non-humans and Russia itself seized power.

    The inhabitants of Donetsk, Slavyansk and Mariupol, who are dying under the artillery and air attacks, cry out to Russia: "Russia, save us!"

    Russia now must and must intervene and protect its compatriots. Otherwise, there will be no forgiveness to everyone for humiliation and betrayal. "Wrote Mikhail Osherov. Good article. Here is the original source -http: //novorossia.su/node/1969
    1. Roshchin
      Roshchin 28 May 2014 13: 27
      +2
      GDP is not EBN or DAM. The decision will be right.
      Yesterday on TV they showed a story - a man says that as a result of the shelling his wounded daughter was taken to the hospital, but he does not know who and where took his grandson. “If I don’t find my grandson, I’ll take up arms and go to fight the junta.” And if he finds it, he won't fight?
    2. T-73
      T-73 28 May 2014 21: 30
      0
      Quote: RADIK
      Russia now must and must intervene and protect its compatriots

      Should not and is not obliged. Compatriots - who do you think? In my opinion - the citizens of Russia. Living Russian people in Ukraine are no reason to invade an army into a sovereign state. Any. And there is no betrayal. Enough of demagoguery. And provocations.
      Quote: RADIK
      But now is not the time and the wrong situation.

      So what?
      Quote: RADIK
      The war has come to the Russian doorstep

      Yes, I did. Are you going to fight with the whole world? Then I will answer in your words: WHEREOF what
      Quote: RADIK
      now is not the time and the situation
      1. RADIK
        RADIK 28 May 2014 22: 52
        0
        So if the citizens of Russia are all that we need to fight for, then there is no need to shout to the whole world that Russians do not abandon their own. In fact, these words are demagoguery and idle talk. Here is another article, excerpt: Leonid Ivashov: “Russia today revels in the victories of hockey players , the annexation of Crimea, the Olympics, the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, etc., but it does not work as it should, according to the situation in the South-East of Ukraine. There is absolutely no political and diplomatic offensive. It has long been necessary to demand an urgent convocation of the UN Security Council, to propose a resolution on the creation of a no-fly zone, on the cessation of violence, to demand the convening of a commission of the Security Council, the same on the OSCE and other international organizations. It has long been necessary to give an international legal assessment of this fascism in Ukraine. In addition, I believe that today Russia is speaking President or Minister of Foreign Affairs must present an ultimatum of the following nature: "If during the day these bombings and killings are peaceful their citizens do not stop, Russia is launching the process of recognizing the independence of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics with all the ensuing consequences. " In addition, it is necessary to provide humanitarian aid to this region, to raise the world's humanitarian organizations - the Red Cross, UNESCO, etc. That is, the policy of a diplomatic offensive should go in all directions, relying on military force. "
        Here is his full layout http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1401298451. Read at your leisure demagogue.
      2. RADIK
        RADIK 28 May 2014 22: 52
        +2
        So if the citizens of Russia are all that we need to fight for, then there is no need to shout to the whole world that Russians do not abandon their own. In fact, these words are demagoguery and idle talk. Here is another article, excerpt: Leonid Ivashov: “Russia today revels in the victories of hockey players , the annexation of Crimea, the Olympics, the St. Petersburg Economic Forum, etc., but it does not work as it should, according to the situation in the South-East of Ukraine. There is absolutely no political and diplomatic offensive. It has long been necessary to demand an urgent convocation of the UN Security Council, to propose a resolution on the creation of a no-fly zone, on the cessation of violence, to demand the convening of a commission of the Security Council, the same on the OSCE and other international organizations. It has long been necessary to give an international legal assessment of this fascism in Ukraine. In addition, I believe that today Russia is speaking President or Minister of Foreign Affairs must present an ultimatum of the following nature: "If during the day these bombings and killings are peaceful their citizens do not stop, Russia is launching the process of recognizing the independence of the Lugansk and Donetsk people's republics with all the ensuing consequences. " In addition, it is necessary to provide humanitarian aid to this region, to raise the world's humanitarian organizations - the Red Cross, UNESCO, etc. That is, the policy of a diplomatic offensive should go in all directions, relying on military force. "
        Here is his full layout http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1401298451. Read at your leisure demagogue.
  • Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 28 May 2014 13: 03
    0
    It’s impossible to introduce troops to Ukraine, I think. We still need to try to use diplomacy and international stands, to use all possible non-military levers. We introduce, immediately get complete isolation and war from Europe and the United States. We need to help ours, help with all our might. I think our miscalculation was that Europe and the United States would not get involved in the war. It looks like they are ready to go to the vank. Somehow they will bring in some international coalition forces or NATO to Ukraine if ours enter there. The LPR and the DPR must achieve broad autonomy within Ukraine. This is the most possible and favorable option for us at the moment. Well, tomorrow, tomorrow, the war will already be with us. And this must be prepared. It seems that we have no allies. It will be necessary to stand until the end. They won’t defeat us, unless the fifth column hits us in the back. It's time to start stripping inside the country.