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GDP now stands for Troops, Putin!

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After we bring in the troops, it will be possible to take a breath. But this will be only the beginning. Truly now we can hardly take a breath.
The introduction of troops is a necessary condition for the existence of Russia itself - Putin’s Russia, as it is. But it is only in the expansion phase, as the accumulative effect of the entire Putin cycle.


Putin stopped disintegration in 2000, froze decomposition and began the path to the revival of Greater Russia in Ossetia, Abkhazia and Crimea. He led Greater Russia to the point of take-off. Take-off is the Crimea, but further it is necessary to gain altitude (Novorossiya) or fall. Do not sit down - fall. History It is a process, not a static. The moment of the introduction of our troops into the DPR and the LPR is not a panacea, but not a catastrophe: it is just the next stage - it is necessary exactly today, now. It's just takeoff, climb. The flight itself will follow.

We see that with the rise of the problem. The introduction of troops is on the geopolitical clock, but in practice it is not. This means that some devices on board do not work as expected. Or the crew is not entirely competent. This must be urgently and corrected at an accelerated rate, and in flight. We do not have historical resources to return to the airfield, change the team and start again. We cannot return the Crimea without losing the whole of Russia. But we can not keep the Crimea, without sending troops into the New Russia and not freeing it from Nazi punitive Poroshenko. You can try to solve this problem from any side, the answer will be the same. Enter troops - to enter a new phase of a complex and dramatic battle against the unipolar world and the agonizing American hegemony. Do not enter - commit geopolitical suicide and recognize the correctness of the Swamp, the fifth and sixth columns. Therefore, we will take a breath when everything is in place. Time to climb. If someone is against an accomplished takeoff, it is better to throw such alarmists overboard now. The faster the rats escape from the ship, the more chances the ship will have to escape, if the rats snuck into the command staff and impersonate admirals and pilots.

The same terrible pause was on the eve of the Crimea: breathing too quickly - and the plane, by the hour, does not fall? Are there terrorists on board? Is the pilot drunk? Why not gaining height? Terrible pauses, where the minutes are paid for by human lives - minute, life, minute, life ... And these minutes / lives are preliminary, they are only a prelude to real war, but they are the hardest and most terrible. When everything starts big, a peaceful rear and a non-peaceful front line will appear. It will be possible to save children, old people, women, patients behind the wall of our armies. In the meantime, pain and blood in the living body of a people unprepared for war, incapable of war. Therefore, pre-wartime takes the minutes / lives of civilians, including children.
GDP now stands for Troops, Putin!

This is scary. A girl with a poster is a minute / life. This is what we pay for delay. Her.

In a word: Putin, send troops!
The GDP, as noted by one of our friends (V.Altukhov), now stands for Troops, Putin!
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  1. Tartary
    Tartary 28 May 2014 08: 35
    +22
    Where is Dugin himself while ...?
    To analyze and move your lips?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 08: 41
      +23
      Quote: Tartary
      Where is Dugin himself while ...?

      Tartary, and you think you’ll sit in Khabar wink Warriors can’t escape anyway, simply because the US really needs it.
      1. MOISEY
        MOISEY 28 May 2014 08: 51
        +18
        I think our president is not slow, he is waiting. And waiting for the economic collapse of Ukraine, predicted by early fall. Then you can talk with the so-called representatives of ukro-power, or rather, pin them to the wall. War is not cheap - it must be understood.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 28 May 2014 08: 59
          +43
          Quote: MOISEY
          I think our president is not slow, he is waiting.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 28 May 2014 10: 02
            +13
            Putin does not make moves that are easily calculated by opponents! And the daughters of the officers became active on all resources!
            1. asar
              asar 28 May 2014 11: 34
              +6
              If only the bees would pity these "officers' daughters"! Or the dogs were bitten! laughing "Loosely" about "their ambiguity"! The entire Internet was "filled up" with their "garbage"! laughing
          2. AK-74-1
            AK-74-1 28 May 2014 10: 03
            +30
            Very correct message.
            No matter how cynical it may sound, the salo-eaters really need the healing famine. Without it, a stupid zombie but a small herd of ukrofashists and a very large herd of salo-eaters "moyahataskrainikov" cannot be cured.
            Poroshenko is a figure for communication and nothing more. Countries called "Ukraine" - NO, there is a territory controlled by the United States.
            And now the most smart. A handful of those planning a coup ran into Russia's response in the form of closing the market, taking measures and sanctions against ukrooligarchs, and most importantly, it was a gas problem that had already become an EU problem. And it is precisely because we refuse to feed ho.hlo.pitek that sanctions are applied to us.
            Apparently, America and its Euro-sisters have no desire to feed the population of the suddenly controlled territory, that is, there is a desire to control, but there is no desire to feed controlled slaves. The moral of this fable is that by autumn there will be hunger riots, and the above-mentioned controllers have only one way to raise a herd under Russia, this is to provoke our leadership to send troops.
            VERDICT: either the stupid herd of the former non-state will wake up and throw the "controllers" out of the territory, or it will die.
            Sorry for being rude, but it has been said a million times to the people of the territory controlled by America that no one will fight for their freedom. Those who fight Russia support and who do not fight apparently already made their choice, and this is his concrete and personal responsibility.
            As for the ukroglav. He is for us a part of the body - an organ - MOUTH. And we respect hohlopitheks that ROT - Poroshenko will be their head. And adult uncles - Lavrov and Carrie - will agree. Even the lesbian Ashton and other Merkel do not participate in this process.
            I am more worried that China is above the fray.
            1. bilgesez
              bilgesez 28 May 2014 22: 09
              -1
              When your family will be killed will remember about the healing famine _ politician hu..ev
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 28 May 2014 22: 21
                -1
                You are a provocateur. It is just like you who make a wave.
                If there had been no informational support, everyone would have long discussed other topics, and the population of the territory would have remained fraternal.
                But on both sides the gasoline is constantly being poured. Is it really not clear that nobody needs this territory anymore. There lives a population unable to decide their own destiny, but which needs to be fed.
                And it’s better if we don’t do it.
                For whom is there to die? For what?
                I repeat once again that I have already been called an "occupier".
                Let them prove with blood their desire for a common homeland. Then not a single carcass will call a RUSSIAN MAN an OCCUPANT on its own land.

                And if YOU are such a fighter, take the barrel and protect your "relatives".
          3. Asadali
            Asadali 28 May 2014 10: 07
            +1
            good Everything to the point!
          4. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 10: 19
            +1
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/474/yjpb867.jpg
            What? Deza on the internet is a good move.
          5. perfect100
            perfect100 28 May 2014 12: 47
            +1
            God grant if so ...
          6. Grandfather Victor
            Grandfather Victor 28 May 2014 16: 51
            +1
            A month ago, Ukraine could be taken with bare hands (this is when people without weapons seized tanks and armored personnel carriers), now serious military efforts will be required. In another month, Novorossia will fall under the blows of aviation and heavy artillery, the number of dead will be in the tens of thousands. And then the Nazi executioners will carry out a purge of the Donbass and the Luhansk region. A month later, NATO troops will be on the border of Ukraine with Russia. Yanukovych waited, now Putin is waiting ...
        2. olf_1959
          olf_1959 28 May 2014 09: 33
          +1
          And how many thousands or millions of lives will this expectation be expressed? If we introduce at least the pre-flight zone will be already excellent. Means of destruction, allowing without entering the troops, to control the entire airspace of these two areas. And the economic scribe will come to them that way, and very quickly.
          1. AK-74-1
            AK-74-1 28 May 2014 10: 19
            +3
            And what difference does it make to you, how many dill sausages are dill?

            You personally, what are you losing from this? Tongue wagging do not toss bags!

            Russia only gets bonuses from all this "Ukrainian performance":
            1. the territory is not in NATO;
            2. no oil shale extraction is carried out;
            3. Russia does not feed the herd, and soon, apparently, it will not heat the flock;
            4. the herd is nervous and arranges bedlams and pogroms, which makes the situation in the territory under control poorly managed.

            And for me, the Ukrainian is not a clue - this is the full-time name of the traitor to his history and common Russian roots.
            The Russians are fighting there, and the Russians are being helped, but you can only discuss with traitors.
            1. shiplover100
              shiplover100 28 May 2014 14: 15
              0
              I understand who you call dill ... and I do not feel love for them either. But, your logic, with all patriotism, smacks of Nazism! You become like dill! And then, we are talking about the inevitable increase in the number of victims on both sides !!! Do you have close relatives in the DPR and LPR ?! In Donetsk, in Slavyansk ...
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 28 May 2014 14: 52
                +2
                I will not say that I am a patriot. A great country was taken from me, from the Elbe to the Bering Strait. I have already written that I once gave the oath only to the Soviet Union and in the Soviet Army. I am only familiar with the oath of the territory called "Russian Federation", about which there is a corresponding entry in the personal file.
                I have relatives, they are generally good people, but dill is a convenient name.
                Probably, I am just a very bad and cynical person who cannot understand the free aspirations of the population of the territory called "Ukraine".
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          2. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 28 May 2014 11: 02
            +2
            Quote: olf_1959
            And how many thousands or millions of lives will this expectation be expressed?

            Notice our lives.
            And how much of our lives will the input cost?
            1. Rus2012
              28 May 2014 11: 32
              +3
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              Notice our lives.

              ... do we already consider the Russian lives of Donetsk not ours? am
              1. AK-74-1
                AK-74-1 28 May 2014 11: 52
                +7
                The lives of Russians in Donetsk are the lives of our people. The lives of the Saloids refusing to fight for their future together with Russia do not interest me - they are not Russians.
                You can take offense at saloids and guardians from the site, but it was you who condoned the evil that came to your house.
                Be RUSSIAN with your resistance prove it.
              2. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali 28 May 2014 13: 06
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                ... do we already consider the Russian lives of Donetsk not ours?

                It doesn't matter who we consider the Donetsk people, it is important who they feel. So far, 90% of Donbass residents feel like "khataskrains" and try not to notice the war. And the deaths of civilians in Donetsk, Slavyansk, Mariupol, etc., no matter how cynical it may sound, is a cure for "khataskraynism". It's time for them to make a choice - who they are, Russian or not.
                1. Tu-214R
                  Tu-214R 28 May 2014 17: 11
                  +1
                  What role should these 90% have? So far they have nothing to do in the militia, since with a stick it’s not like against an armored personnel carrier, you won’t even go against a soldier with a machine gun. You can’t even imagine how much blood will be shed.
                  1. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 28 May 2014 21: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Tu-214P
                    What role should these 90% have?

                    The role of a reliable rear for the militia of their republic. Agree, it’s illogical - the network has a lot of complaints against Russia over the fact that it does not support the DPR / LPR, but at the same time helping to supply the militia with the Russian population is much more than that of the population of Donetsk.
                    By the way, why on average in 30.000 people in Sevastopol rallies took place at rallies of 20, and in almost millionth Donetsk there was a maximum of 25 - XNUMX thousand at the peak?
                    Just do not start a hurdy-gurdy about "you have to work" and "you have to feed your family" - when your house is on fire, it is not up to formalities.
                    Quote: Tu-214P
                    So far they have nothing to do in the militia, since with a stick it’s not like against an armored personnel carrier, you won’t even go against a soldier with a machine gun.

                    I'm still ashamed to ask - what have they been doing since February-March? Did they "feed the family" or "work"? Or were there no military units or mobilization warehouses on the territory of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions? In March, the Nazis were already armed and ready for war, and in Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov they continued to chew caramel snot in sugar on the topic "we do not want bloodshed" and "we want to remain in the legal field." In what legal field did they want to stay? In Ukrainian? Well, get it, only I'm afraid in this field, because of the carelessness, cowardice, and outright betrayal of their own, local, who did not dare to defend their rights from the very beginning, the grave crosses of the Orthodox will now be generously placed.
                    Quote: Tu-214P
                    You can’t even imagine how much blood will be shed.

                    I AM? I imagine that. When Dudaev also agreed to once.
        3. Rus2012
          28 May 2014 11: 07
          0
          Quote: MOISEY
          I think our president is not slow, he is waiting. And waiting for the economic collapse of Ukraine, predicted by early fall. Then you can talk with the so-called representatives of ukro-power, or rather, pin them to the wall.

          "Ukraine's economic collapse" - when the hungry hordes of urks directed by the thrown off hand of the Fuhrer (the future who will easily pick up the power that has fallen and lying on the ground) will invade our lands, carefully armed and equipped by a foreign uncle from behind a puddle? Having previously drunk all the blood of Russian-speaking Novorossians ...

          Then the GDP will lose not only power ... But we will have to dig trenches and fight to the death with the inner 5-6 column ...

          Expensive testimony to Christ's day, our ancestors said ...

          Wait it is not necessary to invade, it is enough for now to arm and organize the Army of Novorossiya (it is possible to support with air fire, creating a "no-fly zone")
          1. max702
            max702 28 May 2014 13: 35
            +2
            And as for me, there it is necessary to operate with the units of the DRG, quietly not advertising exactly how and should these specialists, arrange ambushes, blow up warehouses, destroy equipment and personnel of the enemy, in short, work according to the profile, a couple of hundred people, trained and well equipped, will not be enough. weapons, equipment, money in order to paralyze the actions of the junta. Someone may say so it is impossible not legally and other liberal nonsense, I think so .. We have a war! And on the opposite side, they do not suffer from such contempt, again they may notice that the junta will get angry and begin to seriously kill the civilian population .. well, but what to do? How else to wake up "moyahataskrayniks"? They cannot choose, they are afraid for their own skin, so they can confront a fact either with us or in the grave .. No options. Otherwise, in a year, the civilian population of Russia will pay with blood in blood, I hope no one wants this?
        4. DEfindER
          DEfindER 28 May 2014 14: 55
          0
          I don’t understand one thing. Recently, the leadership of the DPR appealed to military personnel on the territory of the DPR so that they would either swear allegiance to the DPR or leave the territory. What was the answer? Really ignored .. And if they swore allegiance in Crimea, they would save hundreds of Donetsk lives ... The Nazis are too cowardly to climb on real military men with real weapons and not on militias most of whom have no weapons at all ..
      2. Wels75
        Wels75 28 May 2014 09: 05
        +11
        It's right there, Alexander.
        Bad scenario: Parashenko crushes Donbass before the inauguration.
        And what does he do next? is (as he himself has stated) is liberating the Crimea from occupation!
        Pam Pam!!! and that we have the same eggs (in the sense of war) only view from the side. and Russia is in the red because we have NO New Russia as support and a bridgehead!
        So if we are doing GDP now, it MAY be easier than later.
        last line IMHO
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 09: 32
          +8
          Quote: Veles75

          And what does he do next? is (as he himself has stated) is liberating the Crimea from occupation!

          This will be the warrior the United States so dreams of. And again we don’t have enough time to rearm. This is my cobblestone in the garden of those who, in a recent article, shouted URA to increase the export of turntables.
          1. max702
            max702 28 May 2014 12: 29
            +1
            On turntables I completely agree this IDIOTISM! To sell one of the most popular weapons in anticipation of an emerging conflict is generally a betrayal! Judging by the development of the situation, it is necessary to introduce a moratorium on the sale of the entire spectrum of weapons, green wrappers from whoever comes to kill you will not pay off, there were millions of pieces of paper in Sadam’s hole, and what helped? There is money in the country .. completely, a little to reduce the percentage of theft and that's enough for everything.
        2. Rus2012
          28 May 2014 11: 34
          +1
          Quote: Veles75
          We have NO New Russia as support and a bridgehead!

          ... you can wait for Novorossia and our people there - finally will not stay, don’t you?
        3. DEfindER
          DEfindER 28 May 2014 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: Veles75
          And what does he do next? is (as he himself has stated) is liberating the Crimea from occupation!
          Pam Pam!!! and that we have the same eggs (in the sense of war) only side view

          I agree, but with a small amendment, if Parashenko immediately tramples on the Crimea, then with him it will be the same as with Saakashvili. Therefore, after the destruction of Donbass, and the inauguration on blood, he will wait until there are enough NATO ships in the Black Sea, and there are enough NATO forces in Ukraine to completely destroy the peninsula with one blow .. I have no doubts that this is going to happen, slogan " the scorched field "is really being brought to life already in Donbass ...

          PS: I remembered the recent phrase of a German SS veteran: "We certainly made many mistakes, but we never allowed ourselves to bomb our cities."
      3. andj61
        andj61 28 May 2014 09: 27
        +9
        And Urkaina’s behavior on the gas issue proves this. The US does not need an agreement, but a military conflict.
      4. mamont5
        mamont5 28 May 2014 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Tartary, and you think you’ll sit in Khabar wink Warriors can’t escape anyway, simply because the USA really needs it.


        This is so, but Putin has successfully evaded. And God grant him endurance.
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    3. sscha
      sscha 28 May 2014 08: 48
      +15
      Like this! Peremptorily - send troops and a point!
      Mr. Dugin, you look into the eyes of this girl in the picture ...
      There is pain and pleading in them. Everything is correct - pain and a plea that we, adults, do not make rash decisions. It is easy to shout "Hurray! For the Motherland !!!", and into the bushes ... hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 08: 58
        +4
        Quote: sscha
        Like this! Peremptorily - send troops and a point!

        Even if without the introduction of the military, arms and from the air to support even that matter. There will definitely not be any shelling of the cities. There are airplanes, we are buying a new one, which is an order of magnitude superior to the old Ukrainian, but ...... request
        1. sscha
          sscha 28 May 2014 09: 35
          0
          I agree, Do you think that the DPR ammunition is growing in the gardens? Or "trophies"? We cannot know everything. We see only the above-water, visible part of the iceberg, and the underwater part - after the lapse of time! hi
          I, namesake, I think that GDP is waiting. What and from whom is another conversation ... hi
        2. sscha
          sscha 28 May 2014 09: 35
          +5
          I agree, Do you think that the DPR ammunition is growing in the gardens? Or "trophies"? We cannot know everything. We see only the above-water, visible part of the iceberg, and the underwater part - after the lapse of time! hi
          I, namesake, I think that GDP is waiting. What and from whom is another conversation ... hi
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 10: 23
            +1
            Quote: sscha
            Do you think that DPR ammunition is growing in their gardens? Or "trophies"?

            Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhj
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          3. matross
            matross 28 May 2014 12: 41
            +1
            Quote: sscha
            I believe that GDP is waiting. What and from whom is another conversation ...

            Trying to delay the start of the war. To receive money for the supplied gas, conclude an EurAsEC agreement, rotate conscripts, draw all the armed forces of Ukraine into fights in the SE, collect more informational reasons to justify the operation in Ukraine, and let the new (possibly more loyal to Russia) EU bodies form. There are probably other reasons.
        3. andj61
          andj61 28 May 2014 09: 38
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Even if without entering the military, arms and air support and that thing.

          Right! If we said A, then it’s logical to say B.
          My mother-in-law gave me a scandal yesterday about the fact that Putin is not bringing in troops, as if I were his main adviser. I have exhausted all the arguments, most importantly, I have not convinced myself. In the end he said that this war with America. To which the mother-in-law replied - Obama will manage to fight with Russia. And if the war - not a damn thing from America - and thank God! - and we have a large territory, we will survive.
          1. Not angry
            Not angry 28 May 2014 12: 53
            0
            Quote: andj61
            Right! If we said A, it’s logical to say B


            We can only watch when B. is said. At the moment, we see that people are dying and as adequate people we naturally want to protect them, moreover, yesterday and only Russia can do it and this is true. A person who decides to pass by these people is also responsible for 150 million people living in Russia and having made a mistake in this matter will not be able to save these thousands of people and substitute another 150 million. Here emotions are not appropriate here there should only be a cold calculation with a full analysis even it sounds cynical in this situation.
        4. DEfindER
          DEfindER 28 May 2014 15: 14
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Even if without the introduction of a military, arms and air support the matter

          Yes, even throw a MANPADS, as it is unbelievable that the border, for example, of the Lugansk region is closed tightly for us .. There should be at least some kind of corridor, the Luganchans themselves would help to unblock the border, and help did not take long, in Russia there are already a lot of people whose relatives in Ukraine killed, they have nothing to lose ..
      2. bilgesez
        bilgesez 28 May 2014 22: 11
        0
        And you didn’t climb out of the bushes
    4. Kite
      Kite 28 May 2014 11: 45
      +2
      I have a placard hanging at work: "an initiative dyrak is worse than a pest" Reading Dugin, I remember where this plaktik is. He chooses sincere words like a psychologist, and it does not seem that he works as a pest, then - .....!
    5. istomin36
      istomin36 28 May 2014 13: 21
      0
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lxwyefmGths
      the owner of his word - wanted - gave, wanted - took.
    6. _my opinion
      _my opinion 28 May 2014 14: 29
      +1
      I want to express my thoughts about the exclamations - and what Russia does not help Novorossia with anything ...
      In fact (given the current situation) any official assistance is carried out at the level of special services (REAL SEX SERVICES, not fake SBU type) and no one will ever read about it in the news.
      This is quite clear, given the following:
      - that ukram in every Russian-speaking person seems to be an "agent of Moscow", sad
      - that the SBU "finds" "GRU agents" in hundreds, fool
      - that journalists are planted with MANPADS ... recourse

      So, if none of us knows about the help that Novorossi is getting, then this does not at all give reason to argue that she is not ...
      By the way, a few months ago we had formed special forcesfor operations outside of Russia good .... Does someone think that it is sitting idle? angry
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 28 May 2014 08: 36
    +23
    It is not regrettable, but either troop deployment is inevitable or direct military assistance is needed for the militias ...
    1. Wellych
      Wellych 28 May 2014 08: 41
      +4
      Well, there are still options, IMHO, with a more targeted effect.
      There is hope, though hope of a couch analyst, that the entire EU political bomond and the current establishment of Ukraine are stubbornly climbing into the trap set up by the judoka.
    2. Vlad Gore
      Vlad Gore 28 May 2014 08: 56
      +6
      In any case, the Russian leadership should not be inactive.
      1. Homo
        Homo 28 May 2014 09: 25
        +12
        Quote: Vlad Gore
        In any case, the Russian leadership should not be inactive.

        Conversations went around 1525! "The Russian leadership should not be idle" - should the residents of Donbass act? I do not see a great desire among all Donbass residents to defend themselves. I do not see a great desire among all Donbass residents to change what in their lives. At the level of conversations - all for! But when it comes to business, everything is in the bushes !!! In this situation, they recognize us as occupiers!
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 28 May 2014 10: 14
          +1
          I agree with the previous speaker.
          It's a shame to watch when a huge forehead from the screen cries about how bad uncles shoot at them, help ... And you, a native of Donbass, what the hell are you doing in the basement? Why aren't you at the barricade? Why do others fight for you and should fight for you? Mobilization has been announced, what are you waiting for? And then "there were shots, they were fired on, I got lost ... Russia, Putin, help me, bring in the troops" ...
          Nevermind guys. The harvester does not mow like that ...
          The salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people, first of all. Useless hands to drag chestnuts out of the fire. There are hands, but heat-resistant gloves will provide you.
          1. Antropos
            Antropos 28 May 2014 13: 05
            +3
            One hundred pluses. I watched the video of the KP journalists after the mortar shelling. Crowds of healthy men hang around in slippers and roar - "pamazhiyite!"
            Of the 4 million population, only 1-2 thousand are in the militia. Not more than 5 thousand. Why the hell for these "civilians" should "my comrade, my brother, my neighbor" die? In appeals to send troops right now, there is a substitution of concepts. I admit that the SE in the referendums actually voted for secession from Kiev. Scribbling a pen in a bumazykuyu Ukrainian Russians for some reason decided that this was the end of their activities to protect their state. Such, as it were, an invitation to Russian troops to defend the SE. "Well we tapericha for you, for you ... And you owe tapericha for us ..." An easy way. An everyday example: you walk down the street and see how four months one. And two friends of the victim sip beer nearby and cheer them up with words. Then they begin to call on you: "Help, they say, our friend ..." What to call it?
            This means that the "civilians" do not really need their independence (or at all). Weapons in the SE - heaps. More than one division can be armed. And the ukrarmia itself will abandon the heavy technique at the slightest strain. And the Natsiks have the same light weapons. Looking at all this, I understand Strelkov.
            The junta daily expands the boundaries of the forces used. The beginning was only small arms, then they brought up the artillery, but first they put mortars into action. Then howitzers. Now the aircraft is in full growth ... They are watching how the GDP will react. I think that the GDP will intervene when the massive bombing and shelling of residential areas begins. Then there will be a reason to enter to prevent genocide. And now there is simply no one to help defend independence. I repeat: "civilians", the Ukrainian Russians did not stand up themselves from the very beginning, when it was still possible to squeeze out the Nazis with machine guns, and the ukrarmia was completely demoralized and useless. Time has passed. Now only a lot of blood will justify the entry of Russian troops.
            There was still hope for GDP that the new half-president would try to solve the situation peacefully. But Porosyonko was even more bloodthirsty than Trupchinov. NOW ONLY BLOOD ... (((
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        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 28 May 2014 10: 25
          +4
          .... Once again, using the example of Crimea ... I do not see a great desire among all residents of Donbass to protect themselves. I do not see a great desire among all Donbass residents to change what in their lives. At the level of conversations - all for .... In Crimea, too, a very large part of the population behaved the same way ..... There were very few militias (as you write conscientious people) ... If it were not for "little green men", then NOTHING IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD ... Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of the population is amorphous ..
    3. shurik
      shurik 28 May 2014 09: 49
      +4
      The militias can not cope with attack aircraft. sad
      1. AK-74-1
        AK-74-1 28 May 2014 10: 28
        +1
        When a fascist from the National Guard comes off his hand with a shot from a shotgun, when the pilot of the attack aircraft is mutilated to the state of a vegetable, no one will climb.
        Fighting with aviation is a stupid undertaking. There are much more effective ones in terms of their mass impact, but I think that at this stage, given the lack of mass resistance, such forms and methods can only lead to undesirable consequences.
  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 28 May 2014 08: 36
    +9
    Silence drags on
    1. Homo
      Homo 28 May 2014 09: 28
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Silence drags on
      If you are not comfortable with the situation, if you are not happy with the reaction of our President, if you are eager for action, then why are you still not there?
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 28 May 2014 09: 52
        +3
        Quote: Homo
        If you are not comfortable with the situation, if you are not happy with the reaction of our President, if you are eager for action, then why are you still not there?

        Do you think that you need to go, get an automatic machine in battle, GDP with the oligarchs will sit and wait, but in the end they will merge New Russia, what are we for?
        1. AK-74-1
          AK-74-1 28 May 2014 12: 05
          +1
          Buy those "Saigu-12K" a box of cartridges with larger shot and go to the barricades. AK is good in the city, but even a 7.62 bullet cannot be compared in its damaging power and psychological effect with the result of a shotgun shot at a distance of 25-50 meters.
  4. halg
    halg 28 May 2014 08: 37
    +15
    As of today, I think there will be enough recognition of the DPR and LPR. Gun Assistance and Air Support.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2014 08: 45
      +8
      Quote: halg
      Gun Assistance and Air Support.

      Yesterday, half a day it said, the flow of minuses was stunned, I'm shocked. A few months ago, some minusers yesterday corrected that the Russians and Ukrainians are not fraternal people, but one people. Now it came to the warrior and ....... ...... but what are we going to climb into other people's affairs. Here is such a logic among the people, or rather its parts.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 28 May 2014 09: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yesterday, half a day it said, the flow of minuses is stunned, I'm shocked. A few months ago, some minusers yesterday corrected that the Russians and Ukrainians are not fraternal people, but one people

        And what can we expect from conformists?
      2. AndreyS
        AndreyS 28 May 2014 10: 26
        0
        Quote: AndreyS
        This is the logic of the people, or rather its parts.

        I agree with you, Alexander, the people are rushing from one extreme to the other extreme, and no one lacks to think about the consequences with their heads! But even the American media are trying to calculate something "Transformation of Russia into a world power ("OpEdNews.com", USA) ": "... If the Russian government decides that Washington's control over Ukraine, or what was left of it after secession, is an unacceptable strategic threat for Russia, the Russian army will take over Ukraine, historically part of Russia. If Russia occupies Ukraine, Washington will have nothing left , except for unleashing a nuclear war ... " So the question arises in this connection, are we ready for such a development of events ?!
    2. Armax
      Armax 28 May 2014 09: 06
      0
      RBC has already squeezed an article about the breakthrough of a convoy with weapons from Russia on the Ukrainian border - "A column with weapons broke into the territory of the Luhansk region from Russia, the press service of the State Border Service of Ukraine reports.

      The breakthrough was made at 03:30 local time. Several trucks, vans and cars crossed the border. The border guards tried to stop the cars and entered into battle with a cover group. They captured one minibus and two cars, the rest of the trucks managed to drive towards Anthracite.

      The border guards do not report their losses, claiming only a seriously wounded soldier from the convoy's guard. The captured vehicles were jammed with Kalashnikov assault rifles, hand grenade launchers and explosives. "
      So or not ... it's RBC.

      Read in full: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/27/05/2014/926447.shtml?utm_source=gismeteo&utm_medi


      um = news & utm_campaign = gism_top1
      1. Free Island
        Free Island 28 May 2014 09: 39
        0
        Yes, this is probably another UroSMI duck, like the type that Chechens with machine guns are hiding under the chairs in the Verkhovna Rada, and two Russian helicopters were scared off by UkroPVO, and so on ... the USA sent them cookies poking them in dry rations, obviously there without American opium from American plantations in Afghanistan did not work. And RBC is such a channel that it does not always have faith, they hawala and publish absolutely everything that only buzzes next to the ear. I remember for half a day they relished the news that China refused to sign a gas contract with Russia, and in the end it turned out that the contract had been signed. RBC is a dumb channel, from the category "I am yours, I am ours."
    3. Mihail1982
      Mihail1982 28 May 2014 09: 49
      0
      In addition, I think it is possible that the creation (if not created) and use of our PMCs on the territory of the DPR and LPR, I think, will be a worthy, and most importantly effective "answer to Chamberlain." Racking his head to introduce the RF Armed Forces, in fact, give a reason for unleashing a large-scale war, which is the goal of the United States and others like them. In this situation, it seems to me, aerobatics is the resolution of the conflict without open military intervention.
    4. marder4
      marder4 28 May 2014 09: 58
      0
      then to recognize Novorossia as a whole ... and for the rest - I agree ...
    5. aleks 62
      aleks 62 28 May 2014 10: 33
      +1
      .... You can also connect air defense ... The S-300 range is quite enough to cover most of the regions even from the territory of the Russian Federation .... And provide a no-fly zone ....
  5. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 28 May 2014 08: 42
    0
    Everything is sooooo easy! More than one GDP will make a decision on GDP on GDP !!!
  6. volcano
    volcano 28 May 2014 08: 42
    +20
    What for ? Yes, it all hurts us to see the blazing SE. Dead people. But something is wrong there. SE himself is sleeping. Sits in the huts. People do not want to defend their interests. A handful of militias and all. Where is the guarantee that those sitting in the huts now will not rush to the defense of the one that is not against her. And then they won’t shout that this is their business and they would figure it out themselves. Where is the guarantee that those who are sitting on the couch now do not jump up to unite with the right-wingers and will not scream mos .. kalya on knives?
    No, really. So ships do not go. SE does not have a single impulse. I would not risk it.
    Moreover, one cannot do without real databases, and in that mess you will understand who is someone else's who. Some are for Russia and some are simply for federalization. And how many incomprehensible losses will there be? All the dogs will be hanged on us for killing "peaceful" citizens.
    This is just the case .... Measure seven times .. One cut
    1. major071
      major071 28 May 2014 09: 04
      +18
      I completely agree. The introduction of troops here will not help. Firstly, this is expected in the United States to accuse Russia of all sins in Ukraine (now they also blame it, but there is no evidence), and secondly, as I said correctly volcano, it is still unknown whether the very inhabitants of the DPR and LPR, who do not want to live in Ukraine, but also in Russia, are stuck in your back. The situation is twofold. But my opinion is that there are no official steps to send troops, but assistance with weapons and volunteers in the first place. And for this it is necessary that finally the militias take control of the border, then everything will be there, and MANPADS and heavy weapons and volunteers. IMHO. hi
      1. Armax
        Armax 28 May 2014 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: major071
        The situation is twofold. But my opinion is that there are no official steps to send troops, but assistance with weapons and volunteers in the first place. And for this it is necessary that the militias finally take control of the border, then everything will be there, and MANPADS and heavy weapons and volunteers. hi

        So far, this is probably the only way to help. But one must understand that the goal of the West is not Ukraine as such, but Russia and all the CIS! Such a state has no place on their map of the "new world order" and they will not give up until Russia turns the current situation around until sober forces appear in the very west!
        This is my subjective opinion. Regards!
      2. saag
        saag 28 May 2014 15: 35
        0
        to militias they stick this knife?
    2. andj61
      andj61 28 May 2014 09: 45
      +5
      Quote: volkan
      SE himself is sleeping. Sits in the huts. People do not want to defend their interests. A handful of militias and all.

      In fact, during the Second World War, according to the memoirs of the partisans, in Ukraine for a very long time - more than a year - people did not want to fight the invaders. And then everything changed dramatically, but this required enormous efforts from the partisans, the successes of the Red Army and the atrocities of the Nazis. Is history repeating itself?
  7. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 28 May 2014 08: 45
    +4
    Ukraine is an endless dead end in which there is no ... that is, there are no right answers at all ...
  8. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 28 May 2014 08: 48
    +9
    How many residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions defend their independence? Five thousand and five? The total population of the two regions is 6,5 million! If at least 5% of the population (young men who in crowds, wailing, running around the city, unmarried, not boys, not pensioners) would start resistance, it would be 325 people! Only 000%! Where did the militias find weapons? Have you done it yourself? And Ukrainians are already a European country - they can resist only by shooting the battles on video - and on YouTube!
    1. drop
      drop 28 May 2014 09: 06
      +2
      Eugene, I personally agree with you. Only immediately it is necessary to provide air defense means through third parties to volunteers and specialists. So that no plane and helicopter could approach the cities of New Russia. Aircraft of Ukraine attack volunteers and civilians from heights of no more than 500 meters. And how do people in black seep into the city without identification badges, the question?
      1. jayich
        jayich 28 May 2014 09: 27
        +1
        In principle, if you place a division with -400 on the border, then it will cover Donetsk and Lugansk, and then from where the rocket arrived and what the hell you will install.
        Push through the UN resolution on the no-fly zone, and the introduction of peacekeepers.
        BUT damn I am tormented by vague doubts that somehow our leadership is slowly starting to drain the situation, and they started talking about gas discounts again (abolition of customs duties), but what for to cut off the stream of money coming from these duties to the country's budget? And sort of like a chocolate bunny was almost recognized. I have more and more questions than answers, but to take the same elections to the European Parliament, 20% of pravosek, and so you look at the United States on rolled-back technology in 5-7 years will erect a new Hitler to the head of the European Union, and then there will be an ass, but then a stick on two ends this homebrew "Hitler" can direct weapons at its creator.
        1. Flinky
          Flinky 28 May 2014 09: 51
          +7
          Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.
          If you think hard, then:
          1. No one promised any discounts. Only the opportunity was voiced to return to this issue after paying the gas debt. In the meantime, the debt has not been paid - there will be no talk. Moreover, we also do not need intermediaries. When Yaytsenyukha babbling about the mandatory mediation of Geyropa and Matrasia, the conversation will not take place.
          2. Confession of Parashenko did not sound. Only an expression of respect for the choice of the people. This is an ordinary phrase, many have already said it. For today - Lavrov announced that Parashenko is not expected in Russia! State visits are not "I wanted to - I arrived", they are prepared at least a month in advance.
          3. Only a stupid person can put Marine Le Pen's "National Front" or Farage's party on a par with some Pravosek. The right-wing parties received enough votes in the Gay Parliament to influence the situation, and they are for national states, and not for the festering bureaucracy of the Geyrop society, which, moreover, constantly pushes Matrasia. But soon this bureaucracy will be knocked down - their powers are running out.
          1. jayich
            jayich 28 May 2014 12: 53
            0
            1. Regarding the conversation, in any case it will take place but not the fact that the European Union and (or) the United States will be present there is quite possible only as an observer (s), and again it will be possible to sign the agreement now, but it will enter into force only after the expiration of the current contract, because if, so to speak, the "elected" Ukrainian authorities want to "legalize" in the eyes of the leadership of my country, they are obliged to fulfill their earlier obligations (ideally), again if the present gas contract is denounced and a new one is signed albeit at a price of 350-400 dollars. for М3, BUT calculations should be made in rubles and hryvnias (it is not desirable, of course, in hryvnias, well, okay, but this will lead to the strengthening of both the Russian and Ukrainian currencies, and the stabilization of the domestic markets of both states) it is possible to provide for any other currency, for example, the Chinese yuan, for 25-30 years, but it will be quite possible to eat the fish, satisfy the wolves, and annoy the United States and the European Union. In the end, if you start slowly and slowly to carry out such a policy to form a sales market for the Ruble with the closest neighbors by signing new oil and gas contracts, this will benefit the country's economy. So what else grandmother said for two, but the money that Ukraine will pay if not immediately and not everything, but will pay.
            2. And I don’t say that they recognized, I said they almost recognized (promising does not mean to marry), but they can very well if he goes to curtail the hostilities and the non-aligned status of the state, refuses claims to the Crimea, maybe after that a visit will be possible to Russia, but obviously not in the next month for two or half a year.
            3. Well, how can you tell when people, and even more so organizations and political parties come to power, their actions can change in different directions, both good and bad, I wrote the most so, let's say, a bad scenario and how to tell you what they will say to this their (European and American moneybags) in which direction it will be beneficial for them so that the development of the European Union goes to collapse or vice versa to closer cooperation. If the infusion of "fresh blood" is good, I'm all for it. Unfortunately, now the world is ruled by money and its owners, and politicians are mostly puppets with rare exceptions. And again, what is meant by the word pravoseki, the right sector focused on the healthy development of a certain state or interstate entity or those organizations that we are seeing now in Ukraine. Too now everything has been turned upside down and sometimes it is difficult to figure out what is meant by this or that word, and even more so a phrase.
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        2. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 28 May 2014 10: 21
          0
          Quote: jayich
          In principle, if you place a division with -400 on the border, then it will cover Donetsk and Lugansk, and then from where the rocket arrived and what the hell you will install.
          Push through the UN resolution on the no-fly zone, and the introduction of peacekeepers.
          .......


          They will not allow at the UN to push through such a decision.
          And on the other hand, did this fiction (in the sense of the United Nations) prevent the Yusovites in relation to Iraq?
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 10: 44
          +2
          Quote: jayich
          In principle, if you place a division with -400 on the border, then it will cover Donetsk and Lugansk, and then from where the rocket arrived and what the hell you will install.

          Yeah, looks're coming out-border guard in the distance: "something went low, no way to the rain." And what about radars, American reconnaissance satellites?
          1. jayich
            jayich 28 May 2014 13: 02
            0
            It is not at all necessary to power the s-400 for its intended purpose; sometimes a simple presence and readiness for use are enough, remember the battleship Tirpitz. If you were a pilot, how would you feel if you knew that they could be shot down at any moment and not the fact that you would have agreed to fly. Yes, and to look from the satellite and calculate where this technique is located, given the good camouflage, it is quite problematic.
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      3. andj61
        andj61 28 May 2014 09: 48
        0
        Quote: Drop
        And how do people in black seep into the city without identification badges, the question?


        The city is very big. If you go the wrong way, then this is not difficult to do: there are no patrols.
    2. Free Island
      Free Island 28 May 2014 09: 42
      +2
      I apologize, but 325 thousand people need something to arm? or against the US, Polish and hell still knows what mercenaries, law enforcement officers and half-rust uroarmy need to fight with a pitchfork and rake? Hunting fart against MI-24 and SUShek also not particularly trample. I think if there was an appropriate arsenal, there would be fighters who were ready to pick up this arsenal .. well, something like this
      1. Evgeniy-111
        Evgeniy-111 28 May 2014 10: 16
        0
        And what about the arsenal of the Great Patriotic War in Soledar? Judging by the photos of the militias, they have partially got exactly that weapon. Shoots the same. In addition, in Donetsk and Lugansk there are military units, do they have neutrality with the militia, or what? And what helicopters shot down? From a slingshot?
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 11: 01
        +2
        Quote: Free Island
        but 325 thousand people need something to arm?

        The question is interesting. That there is no information for a long time about the further fate of the "weapon" mines. Also, are there any other storage bases for weapons "written off" by the army? Maybe where "Strela-2"; "Strela-2M"; "Baby ";" Metis "
        first issues? on fishlessness and crayfish-fish. Again, powerful heavy industry: the production of simplified weapons can at least be tried and established: RPG-2 (or even RPG-7) grenade launchers; SPG-9; mortars. The Internet is full of pictures like Syrian militants weapons and ammunition "rivet".
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Evgeniy-111
      How many residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions defend their independence? Thousand five? The total population of the two areas 6,5 millions! If at least 5% of residents (young men who crowd, lamenting, run around

      Martial law has been declared in the DPR and LPR and the mobilization of the militia should increase. Many participate only in NIGHT hostilities of the militia, so as not to "shine" in front of the neighbors (there is certainly a "fifth column" there), so that their journalists could not count And such "night" militias can be understood: Russia is muttering something indistinctly, threatening with a finger; the junta can win, then a bloody massacre: with them, and with their families, children.
  9. Prometey
    Prometey 28 May 2014 08: 49
    +8
    In order to stop the destruction of Donbass, it is not necessary to send troops. There is rich experience of our opponents - in Yugoslavia and Libya in achieving the goal with the help of aviation. The introduction of troops is an extreme measure.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 28 May 2014 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      to achieve the goal with the help of aviation.

      And I wrote about the same thing more than once. There is aviation, but no will.
    2. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 28 May 2014 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      In order to stop the destruction of Donbass, it is not necessary to send troops. There is rich experience of our opponents - in Yugoslavia and Libya in achieving the goal with the help of aviation. The introduction of troops is an extreme measure.

      I agree.
      Plus the use of the WTO and air defense cover
  10. Zebus
    Zebus 28 May 2014 08: 49
    +12
    Think you're writing a guy !!!
    "To send troops to Crimea" and "to send troops to Donbass and Luhansk region" are completely different things ...
    In Crimea, the power was entirely interested in moving to the Russian Federation, but in the Donbass and Luhansk regions, there is still confusion and vacillation ... We don’t take sanctions into account ... Get another partisan side by side ??? That you advise ???
    As a call for help - beautiful !!!!
    As advice - stupid !!!
    1. Free Island
      Free Island 28 May 2014 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: Zebus
      Send troops to Crimea "and" send troops to Donbass and Luhansk region "

      it’s not even that. no troops were brought into Crimea (LEGALLY), they were there anyway, they simply increased their numbers according to the agreement (not exceeding the number of 25 thousand)))) everything was simpler in terms of international law and agreements with Ukraine under the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation ))))))))) the West screeched, grunted its foot with a hoof, but swallowed it, because Russia didn’t violate any laws (no matter how the West liked it but it happened)) and the LPR and the DPR are another matter .... there’s not ours the contingent which could be simply increased within the framework of any agreements (((((((((((so anyway ... and just ... in one of the articles, in the comments, I already gave a link to the minutes of the meeting of members CSTO that it would be necessary to introduce something somewhere)) to form a peacekeeping contingent not only from Russia but namely within the framework of the CSTO, that is, that Kazakhstan and Belarus and Russia would participate in this))
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 11: 38
      +3
      Quote: Zebus
      To send troops to Crimea "and" to send troops to Donbass and Luhansk region "are completely different things ...
      In Crimea, the power was entirely interested in moving to the Russian Federation, but in the Donbass and Luhansk regions, there is still confusion and vacillation ... We don’t take sanctions into account ... Get another partisan side by side ??? That you advise ???
      As a call for help - beautiful !!!!
      As advice - stupid !!!

      And the fact that the majority of the population voted for independence at the referendum (consider: for entering the Russian Federation after a while) is khernya and stupidity? And who reports to you the details about the "intimate problems" of the Donetsk, Luhansk leadership? There is no way for Russia to reconcile the different positions of the leaders? Let them have at least a federation, even a confederation with Kiev or among themselves, as long as they are friendly to Russia and in opposition to Western Ukraine. And it is not necessary to introduce the Russian army. Weapons, ammunition, military experts, volunteers, reconnaissance (including: aerial, space). Why the US, NATO can "close" the sky over Libya, but Russia can not? Aren't there photographs of destroyed city buildings; murdered civilians? Why are there pro-American and other agent organizations in Russia (the official fifth column), but outside Russia there are no pro-Russian? Why is there no effective work with Russian diasporas abroad? Or they are not there, due to inaction of the Russian bureaucracy, but there are only former Russian (Soviet) citizens?
  11. I want to serve
    I want to serve 28 May 2014 08: 53
    +6
    The first and generally incomprehensible in the article is a comparison of our country with an airplane .... or a ship, the author twists words trying to shove rats into a plane or throw a ship into the sky ?! And the second - again, requests and pleas for help, but to whom? Who is asking? American girl (judging by the photo) or Ukrainian consumers ?! Why are the defenders of the republics not asking for help from Russia? Yes, because if the people of the DPR and LPR would like to finish all THIS, they would finish .... It's time to read Russian proverbs. For example: You can’t catch a fish from a pond without labor!
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: I want to serve
      Why are the defenders of the republics not asking for help from Russia? Yes, because if the people of the DPR and LPR would like to finish all THIS, they would finish ...

      Are you, sir, in the tank? Or do you get information exclusively from the central media? So even there the voices of the leadership of the republics to Russia were voiced, with requests, calls for help! About the interview with the locals, about Peskov’s words that THOUSANDS of Donbass residents are appealing to the President to protect them, I’m completely silent!
      American girl (judging by the photo) or Ukrainian consumers ?!

      If the sheet says in English - then this is an American girl? .. Nu-nu ..
      1. I want to serve
        I want to serve 28 May 2014 10: 48
        -2
        Defenders, not leadership! And "about the girl" ... who is she asking? There is no Russian smell there, but about American aid we all know very well what its price is. Let's be realistic and imagine such a case: you are sitting with a friend on the couch and drinking beer (both are healthy, walking) and there is fish on the table for beer, but there are two steps to it. And then your friend says to you: "Give me fish, I want to eat it." Your actions?! So THAT friend is our amorphous Ukrainians ...
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 28 May 2014 11: 20
          +2
          Incorrect example (with beer). If only because I have information "from there", and it is more real than all our speculations here. THAT very friend, in this case, it is rather us. There is a comment below that in the event of the introduction of troops, the overwhelming majority of those present here, striving for non-interference, will begin to write with the same fervor about what fellow we are and how we did the right thing ..
  12. Prometey
    Prometey 28 May 2014 09: 01
    +5
    A strange audience writes here. I am 100% sure that if the Russian Federation would use the army in the southeast, everyone who now writes about the inadmissibility of the introduction of troops, "it does not concern us," "Crimea is different," absolutely would also write that Putin is a man, right what they entered, etc.
    Correctly it says - you can rebuild the face, but the soul never.
    1. Dimsanych
      Dimsanych 28 May 2014 09: 22
      +3
      Putin is so man, only for what has already been done. Nothing will diminish anymore. The accession of territories in the conditions of the present world is almost impossible. And recently, we have the Crimea and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk incorporated into the Russian Federation. You think why the Japanese turned away, they all waited for the Kuril Islands to possibly fall, and on the contrary, they blocked the shipping lanes, fishing, by introducing the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the Russian Federation. If I am not mistaken geographically.
      As for the deployment of troops, there are many examples in human history when hundreds of thousands of people died from rash strategic decisions. The simplest thing you can do is give an order to send troops. Who knows what the consequences will be ?! For this, certain political conditions must be created. Apparently they have not yet been created or are not completely created. Everything has its time. I am sure that a mass of Russian high-level specialists are now working to wrap up this whole situation with greater benefits for the Russian Federation and with less losses. It’s a pity that we can hardly help them with our chatter.
    2. andj61
      andj61 28 May 2014 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Prometey
      if the Russian Federation would use the army in the southeast, everyone who is now writing about the inadmissibility of the introduction of troops, "this does not concern us", "Crimea is different", absolutely would also write that Putin is a man, it is correct that they were introduced, etc. etc.

      I would still like to justify the one to whom you have already reasonably gained respect. I would like not to be disappointed. Hope dies last.
    3. dmb
      dmb 28 May 2014 10: 27
      +4
      You are absolutely right. To all this audience, Russians are drumming in Ukraine. They are interested in whether Putin’s rating will rise or fall. And they are interested in this not at all because they love him, but in order to have a reason to tap the keys to the beat of the majority, to earn a rating. Well, they have such a toy, but they don’t give a damn about the fact that people are dying there. Honestly, I don’t know how the commissioning would end (which obviously will not happen. I know one thing, There, though not all there were people in Ukraine, but people rose. And they didn’t rise not so much thanks to Dugin’s calls, as much as they heard Putin’s statements and SovFed’s decisions. the admirers of the Great did not talk about his waiting and wise plans there, but I see his direct guilt in the death of our brothers.
      1. suprunmm
        suprunmm 28 May 2014 12: 00
        0
        I subscribe to the words
    4. suprunmm
      suprunmm 28 May 2014 11: 53
      +3
      This audience, trying to deceive and calm their own conscience, and at the same time saves the face and ratings of Putin.
      Recall that pee when returning the Crimea. "The Russians do not abandon their own" "We are with you", etc.
      And in the Southeast are not Russians? Let's look at the names. Probably half or more are not even Ukrainians.
      I personally do not understand now. Why did they return Crimea?
      Oh yes, geopolitics, and how much our fathers grandfathers and great-grandfathers shed blood on this earth. Again Crimeans are Russians in the majority. But we don’t leave our own.
      And why did you need all this show off with exercises at the borders with Ukraine.
      Oh yes, these were just planned exercises.
      And no one here did not think that we in the South-East gave hope to all of these.
      Maybe we recall their rallies where they chanted Russia, Putin, etc. with the flags of Russia.
      Maybe it wasn’t necessary to be silent to the “grandmaster” and to tell us ourselves at the very beginning.
      That Crimea is, first of all, the geopolitical and strategic frontier of Russia, and this is the main thing. And everything else, well, of course, too, but that's all the rest.
      But the former Little Russia, Donetsk Republic or Lugansk there. Well, we don’t need all this ....... We have enough problems in the country, and we somehow do not need war with the Americans and NATO.
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: Prometey
      A strange audience writes here. I am 100% sure that if the Russian Federation would use the army in the southeast, everyone who now writes about the inadmissibility of the introduction of troops, "it does not concern us," "Crimea is different," absolutely would also write that Putin is a man, right what they entered, etc.
      Correctly it says - you can rebuild the face, but the soul never.

      After all, it was so! At the end of April-beginning of May, the majority was sure that the introduction of troops was about to begin, then almost everyone "yelled": Hurray! Give us Kiev! NATO sanctions for us in kheru! In 2 days we will smash Ukrainians! Well, where is all this now? If earlier every day there were articles predicting the day of the entry of troops, now they appear with "convincing" arguments that it is by no means possible to intervene by military means - and then "commentators", like weathercocks , turned 180 '. How, Putin is wise! NATO "dreams" of bringing Russian troops to Ukraine, but Putin deceived them, did not bring them in! With the approval of NATO, the Kiev junta began to destroy the population of the South-East, using armored vehicles, artillery, aviation; the death toll went to hundreds - "well, now Putin will bring in troops" - joyfully rubs NATO's hands. But no! Putin again deceived NATO (and the Resistance of the South-East at the same time): he did not introduce the army (well, maybe the fig under the table "showed"). Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, the junta will use the "Grads"; "Tornadoes"; all military aircraft; goes to the thousands-Putin will deceive NATO again?
  13. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 May 2014 09: 04
    +6
    Of course, this is a very NOT SIMPLE QUESTION FOR RUSSIA, which can turn into a tragedy for Russia itself. I think that you are just waiting for this, so that Russia "harnessed" to make it an aggressor and attack along with Natha. And it seems to me that they in Russia dream of changing the president, they really don't like him, HE IS DIRECT BONE IN THE SIP OF THE USA.
    1. suprunmm
      suprunmm 28 May 2014 12: 03
      -1
      No need to stay awake ....... Everything will be exactly as happened with the Crimea
  14. gandalf
    gandalf 28 May 2014 09: 06
    +6
    If Russia now introduces troops, then there will be more victims ... many more than now.

    Because those who now refuse to shoot civilians from the Ukrainian side will not have the right to refuse to fight - the "aggression" will take place - and will start shooting ... and hitting civilians.
    1. Yegorchik
      Yegorchik 28 May 2014 09: 19
      +3
      Well, why is it necessary to send troops, cover the sky with air defense systems from the territory of Russia, support the militia with missile and bomb strikes, and this is more than enough to prevent the Ukrainians from climbing into New Russia.
    2. Normal
      Normal 28 May 2014 09: 50
      +4
      Article minus.
      What kind of troops are we talking about?
      We took troops from the border. Our leadership softened the already extremely accurate rhetoric regarding Kiev's camarilla. We ask you to return the debts, and пoohдthe "Kievites" who ate over us openly mock and scoff; they say we will return debts only if we set gas prices ourselves.
      Ukrainian media have formed an opinion that there is a war with Russia (in fact, there is a war with RUSSIAN citizens of Ukraine). Stating that in the Odessa House of Trade Unions Russian citizens were burned alive, shot, strangled, beaten with sticks (whatever they did there) and gave a standing ovation for this news in the Rada, the Ukrainian authorities gave a 100% reason to send troops and war. From our side - either meaningful, "menacing" silence, or indistinct muttering to which everyone in the world has long ago hammered a bolt. And it was necessary at least (no, not to introduce ground forces) to demonstrate the Black Sea Fleet off the coast of Odessa.
      Prominent Ukrainian politicians are not shy in expressions and openly declare that they need to kill Russian with atomic weapons.
      UkrAin oligarchs put together and finance death squads.
      And our leadership, as usual, holds a pause and the pro-authorities consider this pause itself an ingenious political move, almost a victory.
      Particularly "happy" is the presence in the article of Bolotnaya (well, where can the pro-government be without her?) And not only the fifth, but also
      sixth column.

      We should expect the appearance of the seventh, eighth and five hundred columns, otherwise
      geopolitical suicide
  15. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 28 May 2014 09: 14
    +4
    And who wants to lose their life for not knowing what, I’d better stand aside, watch, I’m not at home until I drop, I’m better off watching telly on the couch with beer, as the guys from Russia fight and give their lives. So, well and who was going to send troops here to protect these chills, for which our guys should give their lives, for these hatskrayniki to live for their own pleasure, no way, thank you, let’s do it yourself.
  16. tol100v
    tol100v 28 May 2014 09: 15
    +1
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Silence drags on

    WHICH MORE SILENTS GDP. ALL THE BETTER! ANSWER WILL BE THEM UNEXPECTED.
  17. IvanT
    IvanT 28 May 2014 09: 16
    +5
    Strange twofold situation.
    On the one hand, Geyropa and the United States are just waiting (provoking) for a reason to let all the dogs down on us if we introduce the Sun to Donbass !!!
    On the other hand, all the policies of past years aimed at uniting the nation and increasing patriotism, in the light of the annexation of Crimea, will collapse like the Berlin Wall, if we do not react in any way. People will be disappointed. Someone will consider VV to be a traitor.
    So what a difficult choice.
    I would like to believe that Putin calculated his actions several steps forward.
  18. shurup
    shurup 28 May 2014 09: 18
    +5
    Putin will introduce the most tomatoes. And when?
    As one ancient commander said, if his shirt had known about this, he would have burned it.
  19. navara399
    navara399 28 May 2014 09: 21
    +4
    So far, only help. Soon Geyropa will understand and feel what it is like to have this "Independent Gemmoy" in your backside. The GDP needs at least some kind of support in the camp of Russia's opponents. Soon many will ask the GDP to put things in order. This mess is needed only by the United States, soon Geyrop will be forced to acknowledge this officially.
  20. 3vs
    3vs 28 May 2014 09: 25
    +2
    There will be no troop deployment until events take on the scale of South Ossetia or
    Yugoslavia.
    Nobody wants our troops to be shouted in the back by "invaders and fascists".
    Unlike Crimea, there is no strong desire on this earth to fight for independence
    in their own land.
    A referendum is a referendum, and then nothing.
    Apparently more blood will be shed before those who shoot civilians
    change their minds.

    The sad thing is that, like a hundred years ago, in the 17th revolution, for the most part, Jews arranged for us,
    and Russians killed each other in civilian clothes.
    And now, look who is in power - the Jews of Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, I don’t know about
    Turchinov ...
    And these are controlled by the "rulers of destinies" Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Soros, Albrights and the like.
    Again, these are in power and the Russians are killing each other.
    Pravoseki and the like, in my opinion, are just demonic.
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 28 May 2014 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: 3vs
      A referendum is a referendum,

      That is, the referendum does not show anything at all? So how then to be with Crimeans? ..
      Do not forget: in the Crimea there was more than 20 thousandth grouping of the Russian army, and a special operation was carried out to neutralize the army of Ukraine. Without this, Crimea would be flooded with the blood of its inhabitants ..
      By analogy: in much more difficult conditions, a referendum was held in the republics of Novorossia. The result is unambiguous, but the question was different. But the appeals of the leadership of the republics "do not hear" in our country, the issue of joining the Russian Federation, which was announced by the heads of the DPR and LPR, is not being considered. There is no help .. Consequently, Russia does not need Novorossiya, either as an independent state or as a subject of the Russian Federation. In this case, you just need to clearly say about it from a high rostrum: do not wait, citizens of New Russia, Russia does not abandon its own, BUT YOU ARE NOT FOR OURSELVES.
      At least it will be more honest.
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 28 May 2014 11: 09
        +1
        The referendum showed that the southeast is for independence. What does this mean? There was no question: to be Ukraine or Russia. The referendum showed disagreement with the policy of Kiev at that time. But Kiev is doing more than it can, so that self-hatred will strengthen and multiply.
        Well, the Russian troops entered there, stayed and what next - turned around and left? Protect peacefully living and working for Kiev citizens? Re-educating, convincing that you need to live together? The people do not want to fight, have played enough and are tired, and were not going to? But Strelkov said: you called — help, we arrived, and where are you?
        Crimea - clearly, harmoniously, quickly. At first Kharkov called to unite, invited to discuss. The Crimea-Sevastopol came the next day, and there was no one to discuss with, everyone dispersed to carry out the new directives of Kiev.
      2. 3vs
        3vs 28 May 2014 11: 42
        0
        I'm not sure that our tanks will meet there with flowers like
        liberators.
        And we all and Putin have a sore soul for what is happening.
        But on his shoulders is a page that they do not want to see holistic.
        And nobody is going to help us make it powerful and rich.
        The most honest option is the occupation of all Ukraine, a tradition
        to the court of the top who unleashed all this and then for each
        area referendum on the future of their lands.
        Who wants - live in Ukraine, who want autonomously, who want,
        as part of Russia.
        But this is from the realm of fiction.
  21. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 May 2014 09: 27
    +1
    If we introduce it right away, they will land troops in Kiev (so that the bastards do not have time to run away). Aviation and air defense should be destroyed ukrov .. Blood is pouring. Putin is silent ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 28 May 2014 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Blood is flowing Putin is silent.

      Do not bother Chapay think.
  22. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 28 May 2014 09: 33
    +1
    Everything goes as it should soon. They will bang themselves. Winter will begin just around the corner. am
  23. Said
    Said 28 May 2014 09: 34
    +2
    Why should our guys die? For the fact that Ukrainians, forelocks have been tearing themselves for 23 years? Do not need our military there, do not! It’s better to help humanitarianly, with ammunition, maybe even weapons, but not with the lives of our fighters!
  24. Rus_87
    Rus_87 28 May 2014 09: 34
    +1
    Already got these populist little articles about the fact that Putin does not send troops, etc. Probably in this way their authors want to earn points for themselves, playing on the emotions of many people who see the chaos that is happening now in the south-east of Ukraine, and can not do anything about it ...
    I would look at people like Comrade Dugin if tomorrow their populist shouts were heard in the Kremlin and sent to Ukraine (I don’t want to say “certain death”) their sons, brothers, or even themselves ...
  25. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +4
    There is no such unity on the southeast as was in the Crimea.
    Yesterday I was amazed at the phrase I read (something like this): “I’m standing at a bus stop, waiting for a minibus to go to work, and there a helicopter makes several calls and shoots ...” - he has a war in his city, and he even “leaves for the bill "did not take to protect yourself and your family? Let others jump under the bullets, and he will shoot this case on a mobile?

    Until such "hamsters" are in an absolute minority - no "input of troops" ... "Get up, eastern country! .."
  26. avia1991
    avia1991 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +2
    So, some devices on board do not work as they should. Or the crew is not entirely competent.

    This is most likely. Moreover, these are key crew members having a powerful influence on the flight. They want a refund! Not wanting to sacrifice them (and that is not a fact) for the sake of the opportunity to save the Russians in the Donbass. Believe me: to us, ordinary Russians, these 3,5 lard are purple! We will not even notice their absence. Gasoline went up a ruble a month in a month, amid the STRENGTHENING, by the way, of the ruble - count how much this is on a national scale? So that the state - it’s not impoverished, very specific people will receive less money. Which categorically does not need New Russia ..
    It has been said here many times: no need to even bring in troops! We just need effective help: with weapons, finances, providing a "no-fly zone" ..
  27. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 28 May 2014 09: 39
    +5
    I am for the deployment of troops! Just don’t tell me, but they say, will you go or sit out? I’m a regular military man, they will order me to go, I have raised 5 children, it pains me to watch women and children being killed in Ukraine. They must be protected, and UB.lyu.dkov - destroyed!
    1. vitosia
      vitosia 28 May 2014 09: 48
      0
      And how do you imagine it !!!
      1. Bomb positions and columns ukrov
      2. Finish on earth what remains of them
      And what will be the result of everything ???
  28. navodchik
    navodchik 28 May 2014 09: 41
    +2
    I've already spoken. I will say it again: IN NO EVENT SHOULD THE TROOPS BE INTRODUCED. Next in line is Central Asia. Will bang there soon. Why do we need a war on two fronts? The army was "optimized" for only one direction. Instead of bringing in troops, it is necessary to supply weapons,
    remove barriers for volunteers, support Novorossia at the level of Lavrov and the media.
  29. rasputin17
    rasputin17 28 May 2014 09: 46
    +1
    Perhaps that critical point has come when it is necessary to take action, send troops or provide direct military assistance with weapons! BUT the Kremlin and the GDP have their own plan in this regard, which we will see as it is implemented!
  30. siberalt
    siberalt 28 May 2014 09: 47
    +1
    On the Ukrainian question there will be an extraordinary meeting of the Duma. Let's see what they decide. Uncertainty really crushes.
  31. fetus
    fetus 28 May 2014 09: 47
    +1
    Why should we send troops, if the locals themselves do not go to the local militia, as the shooters said "they are sitting drinking pivasik", I don’t want our soldiers to die for them, and in Donetsk and Lugansk, everyone is not waiting for our troops, this is not Crimea , many people hate Kiev, but do not want to join Russia.
  32. Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 28 May 2014 09: 49
    +1
    The article is a provocation !!!
    To enter the troops in the DNI and LC - it is IMPOSSIBLE. And this is not due to fear of sanctions and the like of the EU and the US.
    IT IS NECESSARY for people in the DPR and LPR to defend their homes themselves.
    According to Wikipedia, 4 people live in the DPR.
    In the LPR, 2 people live.
    TOTAL: 6 578 759 people.

    And how many people are there? - 5 - 000 people !!!
    WHERE ARE PEOPLE'S MASSES?
    WHERE WERE THE PEOPLE SHOWED TO THE WORLD?

    If the people wanted to protect themselves, then they could do it themselves.
    Why send our "Vanka" when there are many "Mikol" in revenge ?!
    You can not help the people (in general and in the regions) if he does not want this.
    1. shurik
      shurik 28 May 2014 10: 13
      +6
      If the people wanted to protect themselves, then they could do it themselves.
      Why send our "Vanka" when there are many "Mikol" in revenge ?!
      You can not help the people (in general and in the regions) if he does not want this.


      The DNI does not have an army capable of fighting against aviation and artillery, and Ukrainians are not enough to engage in infantry in open battle. Over 26.05, the loss in Donetsk was about 100 people, half of them CIVIL.
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 28 May 2014 10: 28
      +3
      Quote: Giperboreec
      To enter the troops in the DNI and LC - it is IMPOSSIBLE. And this is not due to fear of sanctions and the like of the EU and the US.
      IT IS NECESSARY for people in the DPR and LPR to defend their homes themselves.
      According to Wikipedia, 4 people live in the DPR.
      In the LPR, 2 people live.
      TOTAL: 6 578 759 people.

      And how many people are there? - 5 - 000 people !!!


      How did you get your "analytical" comments about the millions of inhabitants of the southeast. Tell me, my dear, and how to equip at least 10000 militias? Unlike Chechnya, in the 90s, no one left Donetsk military arsenals. How do you not stick that an ARMY has advanced against the civilian population, albeit at the very least prepared, but armed and behind which there is the STATE. What's the use of thousands of militias if they have AK at best against heavy weapons?
      Donbass residents have already done what they could, they were holding back the onslaught of the armed junta. what else is needed? With a pitchfork crowd throw on an APC?
  33. tank64rus
    tank64rus 28 May 2014 09: 49
    +3
    Close the sky over Donbass with S-300 and 400 complexes. Bring troops to the border so that the shotgun of the T-90 muzzle would be level with the border line. Then a couple of demonstration air strikes by an "unidentified" air group on airfields and artillery positions, fuel and lubricants depots. Assistance to the Republics with all types of weapons and volunteers and "instructors. Everything will burst for them like a soap bubble. Kiev will no longer be able to create a second grouping of forces to negotiate. That's all. But for this it is necessary to remove the 5th column from our power, otherwise after Ukraine and us And there is nothing to bring in troops.
    1. andj61
      andj61 28 May 2014 10: 08
      0
      Quote: tank64rus
      Close the sky over the Donbass complexes S-300 and 400

      It may well turn out. The distance even to Slavyansk is slightly less than 200 km (if you count from the border in the Taganrog or Donetsk region of the Rostov region). Just corresponds to the performance characteristics. There are no mountains there, the continuous steppe, however, can fly at low altitude, but light air defense means are needed here.
  34. Flinky
    Flinky 28 May 2014 09: 53
    -4
    Dugin seems to be outbid by Mattress.
    Article minus.
  35. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 28 May 2014 09: 56
    +4
    Why do the states openly declare aid to the mercenaries in arms and money in Syria, and Russia only expresses concern about the war at its borders? Judging by the flights of the urban warriors, it doesn’t even smell like support! help, it's time !!! yes
  36. Augustswsw
    Augustswsw 28 May 2014 09: 58
    -2
    “Russia is reproached for being isolated and silent in the face of facts that are not in harmony with either law or justice. They say that Russia is angry. Russia is not angry, Russia is focusing. ” Alexander Mikhailovich Gorchakov
  37. shurik
    shurik 28 May 2014 09: 59
    +2
    Quote: Michael1982
    In this situation, it seems to me, aerobatics - the resolution of the conflict without open military intervention.


    Soon you will show this aerobatics in Russia. what
  38. I am proud of Russia
    I am proud of Russia 28 May 2014 10: 02
    -3
    Rave. Sorry for the people, but ... do we need it? Throw your guys under bullets, and spoil karma in the eyes of the world? No I do not think so. In Ukraine, now is the height of our 90s, let them go by. Gas would have been blocked in June and demanded to be repaid - it would be cooler than the army, IMHO.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 28 May 2014 10: 46
      0
      We need it. This is our border. Just as we need it in Serbia. What is karma in the eyes of the world? the so-called world worries about this? Everyone understands, and plays before us performances with horror stories. And why should we be concerned about the rating of the world community. Moreover, it is also not one-sided.
      Another thing is that gas can now blackmail Ukraine in exchange for ending the murder.
      Moreover, you see that Ukrainian government is rejecting shelling of the civilian population (in words) - which means that they also care.
  39. askort154
    askort154 28 May 2014 10: 05
    +4
    From the use of aviation begins the mass death of civilians, including Russian.
    Isn't it time to protect them:
    - declare a no-fly zone over SE (similar to NATO over Libya),
    - If the use of Ukrainian troops against the population is not stopped, the CSTO peacekeeping troops will be introduced.
  40. AlexanderXXXX
    AlexanderXXXX 28 May 2014 10: 08
    +6
    I am outraged by the position of many Russians speaking out here. If you were in the summer of 1941, for example, as in the film “We Are From the Future,” you would also think that while the Nazis and Bandera atrocities in Ukraine and Belarus, let the local population fight against rifles against tanks and planes with them . And we in Russia will take care of our beloved Russians, and help those who fight morally against the Nazis, well, maybe we’ll throw a little rifles at them, maybe even give some machine guns. And if they defeat the Nazis, we will decide whether they are worthy to be with us. In this case, we would simply not be here.
    1. Augustswsw
      Augustswsw 28 May 2014 10: 24
      0
      the question is not to sit out, but what the West expects of us. But the West needs war. Good, high-quality, but not nuclear. Ukraine is ideal for this, and Russia as the clear aggressor is the best option. Therefore, everyone wants to force Russia to send troops so badly. And they do everything that is possible and impossible for this. Do you think someone will feel better when NATO enters Ukraine from the west, and Russia from the east, and the full-scale throwing of bombs and missiles begins? Ukrainians in the first place will be the worst. Therefore, Ukrainians and Russians have to endure, endure and wait, otherwise everything will die.
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 28 May 2014 10: 31
      0
      AlexanderXXXX
      Right, you write, friend! But few hear you.
      By the way, some kind of garbage with the site - I put a plus, and a minus flew out. request
  41. Monax
    Monax 28 May 2014 10: 17
    +4
    All of course is correct, BUT saying And say B. Why did the GDP take "the opportunity to enter the RF Armed Forces" after the first blood? To "bite off" the Crimea? At least as in Abkhazia or Ossetia - Compulsion to PEACE! And so .... everything is empty. Of course, I am not "the fifth or so on column", but my heart hurts for the dead and perishing people. And we will observe how the weak, but the weak, are being killed.
  42. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 28 May 2014 10: 25
    -2
    Quote: AlexanderXXXX
    I am outraged by the position of many Russians speaking out here. If you were in the summer of 1941, for example, as in the film “We Are From the Future,” you would also think that while the Nazis and Bandera atrocities in Ukraine and Belarus, let the local population fight against rifles against tanks and planes with them . And we in Russia will take care of our beloved Russians, and help those who fight morally against the Nazis, well, maybe we’ll throw a little rifles at them, maybe even give some machine guns. And if they defeat the Nazis, we will decide whether they are worthy to be with us. In this case, we would simply not be here.

    Alexander,! Do you think people will come to you from here with regiments, leaving everything behind, just because you guys have moved in Ukraine ??? Especially from the Far East? There hasn’t been an order, but they’ll climb and rake us!
  43. ochakow703
    ochakow703 28 May 2014 10: 28
    +2
    It is necessary to move on to decisive measures. Everything else is like a betrayal. Let the input be not a regular army, but only special forces and volunteers. Yes, with weapons to help. This is where it’s been seen that Slavic cities are bombed with impunity.
  44. Monax
    Monax 28 May 2014 10: 30
    0
    Well, they are weak in spirit. But we gave them hope and what will we observe now?
  45. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 28 May 2014 10: 34
    0
    Quote: Monk
    Well, they are weak in spirit. But we gave them hope and what will we observe now?

    They will have to understand what independence gained by their own hands. Otherwise, its value is reduced to zero. And I think that GDP should be considered with weapons, only few will know about it if there are no weapons, the southeast will not survive! - until expelled, the population is not ripe, but how in Poland we will be occupiers!
  46. Siberian
    Siberian 28 May 2014 10: 40
    +1
    Any aspect is multifaceted. Partly right are both those and these. But now these are hypothetical questions and disputes. And they don't matter right now. And during the war, we still were one people who defeated fascism together. And now it’s necessary - together! We, for the most part, can only collect money and throw calls.
  47. Monax
    Monax 28 May 2014 10: 47
    +1
    Well, as it is written in the Holy Book, ....... "I wash my hands ..." - so what should I do? Although you can influence the situation. You can't keep silent. We need to make it clear to both friends and enemies - we have our finger on the pulse. But don't be silent !!!
  48. Kuznetsov
    Kuznetsov 28 May 2014 10: 58
    +2
    Come on, hot heads, everything has its time!
  49. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 28 May 2014 11: 02
    -2
    Quote: Monk
    Well, as it is written in the Holy Book, ....... "I wash my hands ..." - so what should I do? Although you can influence the situation. You can't keep silent. We need to make it clear to both friends and enemies - we have our finger on the pulse. But don't be silent !!!

    So why are you still hitting the clave at home ??? Forward !!! GDP is not a fool like a dog, I’m sure concrete steps are being worked out, of course, no one will know about this in the press! So, we’re waiting for something to happen. I wouldn’t want a machine gun in my small Motherland, after all, my father is from there
  50. sigdoc
    sigdoc 28 May 2014 11: 14
    +2

    This is exactly what they are getting from us.