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Precision weapons of Ukraine, or a strange ultimatum for Donetsk

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Precision weapons of Ukraine, or a strange ultimatum for Donetsk



If the militants do not surrender, a high-precision special weapons, about it on the page on Facebook wrote the head of information department of anti-terrorist operation lieutenant colonel Vladislav Seleznev.

“At present, all the militants' objects have been reconnoitered. If the militants do not surrender, they will be struck with highly accurate special weapons on the reconnoitered objects. The tasks of the antiterrorist operation continue to be implemented,” Seleznev stressed.

From this point I would like more detail.

The fact that the massacres of innocent people will continue - nobody seems to harbor any illusions here. But I would like to clarify about precision weapons.

It turned out that, indeed, there is something in Ukraine in terms of precision weapons (WTO). What puzzled even more.

1. Cruise missile "Kite". Existed in the project. The project was never implemented.
2. Tactical complex "Thunder". Based on the project "Kite", died unborn.
3. "Thunder-2". Same song.
4. "Combat". ATGM. Yes, it is released. But this is first of all - ATGM.

It seems to be all. That is, development is underway, and all that, but there is no WTO available. Than Mr. Seleznev is going to destroy the militants, it is not clear. Not the same ATGM.

And here there are two points.

The first is, of course, the help of partners. Who with joy in the name of democracy will provide the army of Ukraine with the best in the world of the WTO. That is American. Fortunately money is now there.

But there is a moment that can hardly be avoided. WTO (all the same, a lionfish, a rocket, a guided bomb) - it as if requires skills and abilities to handle and control. It is clear that this is not for the army and certainly not for the national guard. Then who?

Probably those who can. However, there are moments here too. The first (less terrible) is that in case of a drain Russia will be outraged. The second is the gunner operator or whoever else can grab a real bullet or fragment from the “other” side. And there are no fools, as you know, in NATO. I doubt the lines of volunteers to shoot in Ukraine.

Yes, and we all know, in fact, how this WTO luxuriously amazed military facilities in Belgrade - at home, hospitals, schools. More than.

The Ukrainian army has already shown its full potential. Both planes (apparently, there were no more scum, there is no one to put at the helm), all two dozen helicopters (and they are very cautious about flying now, aware that there are direct hands on MANPADS on the other side), artillery working on a fool ...

What other WTO? From where

I would not want to be a prophet, but the only trump card that remained unused in the arsenal of the Ukrainian army is Grad. And it seems that the statements on the application of the WTO are nothing more than a fairy tale for the Western media.

And the reality can be very, very different. That's just less bloody it is unlikely to become.
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  1. sergey72
    sergey72 28 May 2014 09: 35
    +6
    I don’t understand one thing .... And what happened to the arsenal of missiles like X-25, X-29 in Ukraine inherited from the USSR?
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 28 May 2014 09: 42
      +20
      As it became, the inheritance has become the capital of today's Ukrainian oligarchs
      1. 1812 1945
        1812 1945 28 May 2014 10: 12
        +9
        Quote: MOISEY
        As it became, the inheritance has become the capital of today's Ukrainian oligarchs

        Consciousness, honor, mind turned into hryvnia. Alas - not only among the oligarchs. A form of meanness devoured a significant part of the citizens of this pseudo-state.
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      4. Daria Koshina
        Daria Koshina 6 September 2014 10: 23
        0
        Recently I found a portal on the network, or rather a service with a common database of all residents of the country. I decided to check, it turned out there and there is enough dirt on me, so to speak. After a few minutes, I still managed to delete my data, it would be better if everyone did it, otherwise you never know. Here is the link: http://peoplewebinfo.blogspot.com
    2. Slon1978
      Slon1978 28 May 2014 09: 46
      +12
      There was already somewhere information that the fighters in Donetsk were being fixed in some separate buildings that were named. Apparently the example of the Donetsk airport did not teach the need to be dispersed and not to gather in large groups or focus on individual objects. If they repeat the mistake, then it is really possible that some heavy guided missiles or bombs will be used.
      1. ispaniard
        ispaniard 28 May 2014 10: 45
        +14
        1) As stated in the article -What to launch that? .. In the UkrArmy there are no longer except ATGMs (high-precision weapons) 2) There are no heavy aircraft carriers in the UkrArmia (all about ... or) only a few fighters / attack aircraft and antediluvian MI-24 , MI-8. 3) The militias also learned a lot, as I think after the destruction of the Kamaz with the wounded by the Bandero-Letunami, they will spread out around the city in small groups and let the reconnaissance and the main forces of the Junta go into the city, then cut them off and arrange a bloodbath. (MANPADS and ATGMs are available for the destruction of all kinds of equipment of the Junta) 4) AND THE MAIN THING On the side of the Donetsk militia, sooo many people have appeared since yesterday who know how to wage a city battle firsthand. In general - BANDERLOGS WELCOME TO HELL ...
        1. Bodrov
          Bodrov 28 May 2014 13: 00
          +2
          Quote: ispaniard
          1) As stated in the article -What to launch that? .. In the UkrArmy there are no longer except ATGMs (high-precision weapons) 2) There are no heavy aircraft carriers in the UkrArmia (all about ... or) only a few fighters / attack aircraft and antediluvian MI-24 , MI-8. 3) The militias also learned a lot, as I think after the destruction of the Kamaz with the wounded by the Bandero-Letunami, they will spread out around the city in small groups and let the reconnaissance and the main forces of the Junta go into the city, then cut them off and arrange a bloodbath. (MANPADS and ATGMs are available for the destruction of all kinds of equipment of the Junta) 4) AND THE MAIN THING On the side of the Donetsk militia, sooo many people have appeared since yesterday who know how to wage a city battle firsthand. In general - BANDERLOGS WELCOME TO HELL ...


          And given that this "high-precision" weapon will mow down crowds of innocents, the militia will only grow.
          They are not afraid at all to expose such weapons; what if they use it against themselves?
          I would like to see how artillery fulfills the building of the Duma in Kiev ...
        2. VAF
          VAF 28 May 2014 16: 06
          +4
          Quote: ispaniard
          1) As stated in the article -What to run then?


          Forgive me for being rude, but your comment - apart from everything that it is "leavened-patriotic" - is absolutely STUNLESS, dull and ... even dumber soldier

          And the Nazis do not fly aviation. there’s nothing ..... and there’s no one to fly ..... but as it turned out there’s what and there’s someone ... or the number of dead people does not impress or ... you can’t see from the sofa wassat

          And about such an enterprise in Ukraine as GAHK "Artyom" did not hear????



          And "Arsenal", "Luch", "Radar" about such design bureaus and factories have not heard the same ??? And they stamp these "toys" with might and main, including for export !!!
          1. I do not care
            I do not care 28 May 2014 20: 20
            +2
            rocket x 29 l- end 70x- launched 80x, requires BOMAN Fighter aircraft gunner.
            in Ukraine are produced as dumplings, in batches.
            Any pilot knows how to use, and induce, an conscript.
            ATP for the picture.
          2. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 28 May 2014 23: 42
            0
            If they have such toys, why haven’t they used them before? Guess once!
          3. Good_Taxist
            Good_Taxist 29 May 2014 08: 57
            0
            Aha! Now these design bureaus will strain and (on the grandmother of the "patron" of Kalomoisky) "will be given to the mountain", what they have been doing EXPERIMENTALLY for 20 years! Give the Stakhonov-Korolevsky PATRIOTISM! Where this crap will fly, applying the "experience" accumulated over 20 years, I can not even imagine! KHOCHLOV has "five" parts of the world and two globes of dill!
          4. orizonti
            orizonti 30 May 2014 22: 36
            0
            Artem makes only antediluvian air-to-air R-27 missiles.
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      3. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 10: 46
        +3
        Yes, it’s generally not worthwhile to strengthen something at the main intersections in houses above the ground floor, as well as basements and normal barricades from reinforced concrete blocks, rather than sandboxes — which display on TV.
    3. Aeneas
      Aeneas 28 May 2014 10: 42
      +2
      handed over (sold) to Russia in the early 2000s, some were cut for Omer, a dozen units went to Iran and Ketai.
    4. Free Island
      Free Island 28 May 2014 10: 49
      +1
      sold to Georgia a long time before 2008)))))))
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 28 May 2014 10: 57
        +4
        It was taken from the Georgians in 2008 back to their native armed forces.
        The cycle of weapons in nature.
    5. xenod55
      xenod55 28 May 2014 10: 52
      +1
      Everything that was left of the Soviet arsenals by snags has long been sold to Georgians and to other countries that were previously part of the Warsaw Pact (which had a delivery vehicle, the aforementioned missiles).
    6. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 28 May 2014 10: 56
      +1
      Sold and drunk.
    7. Nayhas
      Nayhas 28 May 2014 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: sergey72
      I don’t understand one thing .... And what happened to the arsenal of missiles like X-25, X-29 in Ukraine inherited from the USSR?

      Each ammunition has its own service life. With regards to controlled ASP it is usually no more than 10 years. To extend the service life, it is necessary to send the ammunition to the manufacturer. For 23 years, all missile launchers "died" long ago, their use is dangerous for the carrier.
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 May 2014 16: 16
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        ... For 23 years, all missile launchers "died" long ago, their use is dangerous for the carrier.


        Zhenya.nu understandable such a comment for the "urya-patriots" fool but from you ..... did not expect belay or you are not in the know. What about AKP and AR Ukraine was and is our main competitor in foreign deliveries? wink As in class B-B and B-W 9te that they release and which the Nazis are going to use)?
        Both in price and quality. By the way bully
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 29 May 2014 12: 54
          0
          Quote: vaf
          Zhenya.nu understandably such a comment for "urya-patriots" fool but from you ..... didn’t expect belay or you don’t know. What in AKP and AR Ukraine was and is our main competitor in foreign supplies?

          Hello Sergey! I just doubt that anyone financed the purchase of new missiles FOR YOURSELF and the repair of existing ones. The battles in Donetsk prove it to me. What, for example, is the problem of using ATGMs against the militias? I remember in Chechnya, in the mountains, everything was entangled with wire from the Phalanges, the helicopter pilots did not spare them when the villages were burned. Even if the accuracy is low, it is still higher than that of NURS. Targets the sea, the militias relaxed on trucks and armored vehicles move without hiding, are not afraid of air strikes. So it would be that living would have been used long ago ...
    8. ed65b
      ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 05
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      I don’t understand one thing .... And what happened to the arsenal of missiles like X-25, X-29 in Ukraine inherited from the USSR?

      This is what was meant. this arsenal is huge and it is. however, its use in urban conditions is impossible without a large number of deaths among the civilian population in view of the enormous destructive power. they also have aerial bombs, but there’s generally a charge of 0.5 tons and 1.5 tons. Imagine that it will be a hit in a high-rise building.
      1. 311ove
        311ove 28 May 2014 11: 57
        +5
        These "competent specialists" (censorship) at the test site, instead of a target, managed to overwhelm a civilian plane ..... It's scary to imagine what these "masters" can do now .... "I cried" with a video where from a hover, from the second call They destroyed their padded board .... It's time, it's time to have them in the room "with soft walls" !!!! belay
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 28 May 2014 12: 28
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        this arsenal is huge and it is. however, its use in urban conditions is impossible without a large number of deaths among civilians

        Are you seriously ? Victims stop maydaunov?
        1. VAF
          VAF 28 May 2014 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Cynic
          Victims stop maydaunov?


          His comment is not 2political underpinnings ". But a HARD statement of fact! soldier
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 11
            0
            Quote: vaf
            Tough statement of fact!

            Which one?
            Rereading _
            Quote: sergey72
            I don’t understand one thing .... And what happened to the arsenal ...

            И
            Quote: ed65b
            This is what was meant. this arsenal is huge and it is. however, its use in urban conditions is impossible without a large number of deaths among the civilian population in view of the enormous destructive power.

            Definitely, in my opinion, it is made clear that the aforementioned high-precision weapons will not be used by the Kiev authorities because of the threat of victims among the civilian population!
            Which clarified!
            And it turns out right?
            1. VAF
              VAF 28 May 2014 18: 25
              +2
              Quote: Cynic
              however, its use in urban conditions is impossible without a large number of deaths among the civilian population in view of the enormous destructive power.


              Here is his koment!

              But this is yours hi
              Quote: Cynic
              that the aforementioned precision weapons will not be used by the Kiev authorities because of the threat of casualties among the civilian population!


              And even more so ... quote ".... Definitely, in my opinion, it is given to understand
              Definitely, this is a very bold statement ... well, VERY wassat
              In my opinion, this is accepted .... especially for a person not associated with the use of TSA.
              It is given to understand, complete stupidity .. to whom and what is given .. and even more so .. understand request
              Well, it will not be used —.... for information the operational-tactical grouping (the Su-24M and Su-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force has already received these missiles and preparations are underway for their use).

              And the question is, when did the Nazis stop the threat of civilian casualties? belay or you kak.your adored .... are our friends and partners ???? wassat
              Immediately the answer is nothing personal, bare facts !!! soldier

              So it turns out that you're in lol ..... "in flight" wink
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 28 May 2014 19: 36
                0
                Quote: vaf
                So it turns out ...

                It turns out one _ Are you adequate now?
      3. VAF
        VAF 28 May 2014 16: 26
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        . however, its use in urban conditions is impossible without a large number of deaths among the civilian population in view of the enormous destructive power. they also have aerial bombs but there is generally a charge of 0.5 tons and 1.5 tons.


        Absolutely sound comment, +! Especially take into account that the use of these missiles in a "smoky city" ... what is for the body of the head, what is for a laser .... is fraught with "deviations."
        About "cast iron" generally keep quiet ... if 250 is a high-rise building in the dust, if 500 ... then a few. but if 1.5 ... then ... a quarter ...
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    11. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 15: 45
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      .And what happened to the arsenal of missiles like X-25, X-29 in Ukraine inherited from the USSR?


      Namesake. removed from the tongue ... +! drinks True, you forgot about the X-59th.

      Answer to the author on his question:What other WTO? From where

      Dear Roman, any weapon with laser guidance, and even better with a "TV tower" (with almost complete absence of forces and means of air defense among the militia and weak skills in its use, despite the fact that the "fascists" fly so tactically illiterate and do not perform elementary PRM and PZM maneuvers) is a HIGH-PRECISION WEAPON !!!





      1. I do not care
        I do not care 28 May 2014 21: 53
        0
        . The development of this rocket began in the 60 year, and in the 1982 year it was first used. Rocket X-25. 57 series. REQUIRES BOMAN. Do you seriously think that the production and methodology of using these products has been restored?
      2. Roman Skomorokhov
        28 May 2014 23: 37
        0
        Thanks I got it. In short, they will be smeared with Grads, as I thought.
    12. Timur
      Timur 28 May 2014 19: 47
      0
      Sent: Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich
      Declare a no-fly zone over the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine

      https://www.change.org/ru/петиции/путин-владимир-владимирович-объявить-бесполетн
      uyu-zone-nad-donetsk-and-lugansk-regions-ukraine # share

      more active lads. repost where possible. thank
    13. wow
      wow 28 May 2014 23: 35
      +2
      They sold everything they could. Yes, and if only there were, these missiles should be able to use. In my apib, only 12 pilots were allowed to launch these products. Of these, 3 sniper pilots, the rest are not lower than class 1, with a flight time of at least 200 hours per year. So it's not about ukro- "pilots" (the airfield would not be out of sight !!!)
  2. SILAnov
    SILAnov 28 May 2014 09: 35
    -2
    Will there be an answer from really high-precision weapons: yes + no- soldier
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 28 May 2014 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: SILAnov
      Will there be an answer from really high-precision weapons: yes + no-

      Does the analogue of the Russian Krasnopol refer to the concept of "precision weapons"?
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 28 May 2014 09: 36
    +9
    The caricature smiled)))))) still laughing laughing
    1. Bodrov
      Bodrov 28 May 2014 13: 02
      0
      Catapult on Independence already done. Now you need to use them somehow)))
      1. Andrey78
        Andrey78 28 May 2014 14: 56
        0
        Bodrov Today, 13: 02 ↑
        Catapult on Independence already done. Now you need to use them somehow)))
        Do-done, only after the first shot she was just a beautiful decoration.
  4. Comrade Bender
    Comrade Bender 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +7
    In my opinion, all this strongly resembles April 45 and Hitler with his "new miracle weapon", which will make a turning point in history. Although, I may be wrong. Maybe ukrov really have giant slingshots with scopes.
    1. Oleg1964
      Oleg1964 28 May 2014 09: 54
      +6
      Suffice it to call the Grad installation a high-precision weapon. Junte is no stranger to lying.
  5. Denis
    Denis 28 May 2014 09: 37
    +1
    What other WTO? From where
    Lying, as they say, not tossing bags
    Conventional weapons in terrible condition, and then there is talk of the WTO
    Reminds Goebels stories of miracle weapons
  6. Yon_Silent
    Yon_Silent 28 May 2014 09: 39
    +8
    But what about "Kvitnik"? I do not know about the actual number in the troops, but the UAS itself was quite safely ripped off from Krasnopol, mastered in production and adopted by the Urkainy Armed Forces. A stupid 152 mm caliber, and even with proper use, you can make trouble.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 28 May 2014 15: 18
      +2
      Quote: Jon_ Quiet
      But what about "Kvitnik"? I do not know about the actual number in the troops, but the UAS itself was quite safely ripped off from Krasnopol, mastered in production and adopted by the Urkainy Armed Forces. A stupid 152 mm caliber, and even with proper use, you can make trouble.

      Here, a man in the know.
  7. svp67
    svp67 28 May 2014 09: 40
    +5
    1. Cruise missile "Kite". Existed in the project. The project was never implemented.
    2. Tactical complex "Thunder". Based on the project "Kite", died unborn.
    3. "Thunder-2". Same song.
    4. “Combat”. ATGM. Yes, it is released. But this is first of all - ATGM.

    Everything mixed up horses, people ...
    but there is no WTO.

    Yes, yes, of course, and also Soviet-developed artillery shells WHERE GONE? "Krasnopoli" is still in warehouses ...
    And for airplanes there is something else in the warehouses from the "X" series ...
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 28 May 2014 21: 06
      +1
      For "Krasnopol", in my opinion, you need a laser illumination. Who will illuminate?
  8. Comrade Bender
    Comrade Bender 28 May 2014 09: 40
    0
    Indeed, it looks a lot like Hitler and his miracle weapon. But maybe ukrov got giant slingshots with optical sights?
  9. Sergei 57
    Sergei 57 28 May 2014 09: 41
    0
    Maybe the US decided to try something new?
    1. avia12005
      avia12005 29 May 2014 07: 48
      0
      Poroshenko has already asked for military assistance from the United States. They will provide it - WAILERS with controllable high-precision rockets and laser bombs with laser guidance! And there will be American operators working in Donetsk and Luhansk, sitting in chairs across the ocean. And Proroshenko will still ask for loot from the States for testing new weapons. And they still pay. By the way, there was somewhere infa that American drones had already settled somewhere in Ukraine ...
  10. gas113
    gas113 28 May 2014 09: 42
    0
    It will not be funny if shocking UAVs of enemy forces appear over Donetsk ... Urgent air defense, air defense and once again air defense and partisan operations in the occupied territories.
  11. kit-kat
    kit-kat 28 May 2014 09: 43
    +13
    So I do not understand this irony. Maybe at ukr army and old weapons, but in Donetsk they killed a lot of militias and civilians. Why underestimate the enemy? We hope for fair conduct of the battle, but this will not happen. They will kill everyone indiscriminately, and for this, any weapon is suitable.
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 28 May 2014 09: 49
      +5
      I’m listening to radio anti-Maidan Donetsk now, so one soldier told me that more than 300 Ukrainian soldiers were laid at the airport, and he also said that the airport was held by American PMCs
      1. alauda1038
        alauda1038 28 May 2014 09: 57
        +2
        repeat these are the ones about which Strelkov spoke about?
    2. nicollider
      nicollider 28 May 2014 09: 53
      +2
      fair fight? what is this joke?

      Apparently the game of Dartanyans (the militia gave several hours to get out) gave the junta time to plan the operation.
    3. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 16: 44
      +1
      Quote: kit-kat
      So I do not understand this irony.


      And what else remains ... after all, any construct is criticism .... well, you know who. and this .. no nizya wassat

      Quote: kit-kat
      . Why underestimate the enemy?


      And they are, "leavened-patriot" .. what kind of enemy are they? if the main .. "respects the choice and .. will negotiate" belay

      Quote: kit-kat
      We hope for fair fighting,


      We .. we don’t hope for anything already ... and we didn’t even hope .. but "we sat and are sitting on the priest evenly" (hde "unctuous songbook Esaul" ??? Let's get another "series" about .. "swallows .. . who arrived "...? wassat
  12. gandalf
    gandalf 28 May 2014 09: 48
    +4
    Facebook and Twitter are their precision weapon. laughing

    But seriously, mercenary snipers are a serious danger. Calculating is difficult, neutralizing is no less difficult.
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 28 May 2014 10: 00
      +3
      Yes, this is a problem. The militias need thermal imagers and night sights, and oh how expensive they are.
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 28 May 2014 20: 04
        0
        The other day, 3 thermal imagers and a bunch of armor plates and helmets were sent privately.
  13. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 May 2014 09: 50
    +3
    In addition to the GRADI, I personally saw SMERCH at the parade in Kiev (a couple of cars were for sure).
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer 28 May 2014 11: 19
      +3
      As far as I know Rzzo Smerch did not fall in Ukraine! Maybe it was a Hurricane? So they could stay there from Soviet times!
      1. ssskalinin
        ssskalinin 28 May 2014 13: 27
        +1
        I certainly saw hurricanes when I went on a business trip to the Volyn Aartillery Brigade in 2009
    2. yanus
      yanus 28 May 2014 11: 39
      +4
      Well, they still have Hurricanes. But all this is good for "thinning out brilliant green". There is not much sense in the city.
      1. dkflbvbh
        dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 12: 12
        +2
        Who said that? In Afghanistan, they have proven themselves in the mountains with caves.
  14. gogen3
    gogen3 28 May 2014 09: 52
    +8
    Only one thing is not clear to me. Why is the entire "civilized" type of world community not outraged that such special means as the WTO, artillery and other weapons for a "big" war are used against their own population? Yes, the leaders of the DPR and LPR could be recognized as terrorists, bandits, etc., but then, since this is so, let them use standard means of neutralization such as assault with manpower, otherwise it turns out that double standards no longer even have a ghostly justification.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 28 May 2014 12: 00
      +6
      Quote: gogen3
      only one thing is not clear. Why is the entire "civilized" type of world community not outraged that such special means as the WTO, artillery and other weapons for a "big" war are used against their own population?

      Because the EU and the West generally treat Ukrainians as modern "Indians", and when the sheriff was worried about the problems of the Indians.
      1. Foxmara
        Foxmara 28 May 2014 20: 07
        0
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        Because the EU and the West generally treat Ukrainians as modern "Indians", and when the sheriff was worried about the problems of the Indians.

        In fact, the answer is probably even simpler. They just do not tell them. They are shown how terrorists attack a ukrov checkpoint, how they knock down a turntable (poor pilot!) And are informed that Putin is personally to blame. All.
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 28 May 2014 21: 12
          0
          Moreover, psaki says that gas from Western Europe through Ukraine enters Russia. And Ukraine is suffering a lot.
    2. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: gogen3
      Only one thing is not clear to me. Why is the entire "civilized" type of world community not outraged that such special means as the WTO, artillery and other weapons for a "big" war are used against their own population?


      Strange .... why it is not clear belay Read Darwin's theory of what happens to the weak .... and if there is no one to protect them, then .... in general ... up to destruction as a species or class ... mudflow .. as they say recourse
  15. mig31
    mig31 28 May 2014 09: 52
    +1
    In any case, you need to be careful in order to avoid casualties ...
  16. Wolland
    Wolland 28 May 2014 09: 53
    0
    Fantastic weapons, I have never seen such a thing ..... PHENOMENALLY ..... !!!!
    1. Denis
      Denis 28 May 2014 13: 06
      +7
      Quote: Wolland
      Fantastic weapons, such I have never seen

      Here, too, from their arsenals
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 28 May 2014 15: 52
        +3
        Fighting gonococci, yes. Innovative.
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      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 28 May 2014 18: 01
        +1
        Quote: Denis
        from their arsenals
        This ethnic weapon is against all but the Russians laughing
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 28 May 2014 20: 09
          0
          Quote: Stanislav
          This ethnic weapon is against all but the Russians

          It’s good that the Toad started an action.
  17. Twice RUSSIAN
    Twice RUSSIAN 28 May 2014 10: 01
    +5
    To prevent a humanitarian catastrophe, Russia must introduce a no-fly zone over eastern Ukraine.
    Otherwise, we will get a hostile fascist-nationalist state at our borders.
    Russian spirit and hatred of the Nazis is not enough to destroy this scum. Lyalya-pisuli with nationalists to breed meaningless, they must be destroyed, destroyed as a dangerous infection. The first barrier is the no-fly zone.
  18. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 May 2014 10: 01
    -2
    Quote: Magic Archer
    The caricature smiled)))))) still laughing laughing

    Yeah, this is the only ultra-precise weapon that a dill army can have!
  19. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 10: 06
    +8
    To the author, minus for ignorance of military subjects. To the author of the picture, it would be good to give a "pendal" - the bloody battles in the South-East - not a reason for "laughs": the national guard is now being organized, equipped, trained.
  20. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 28 May 2014 10: 10
    +5
    You can, of course, laugh, remember Yugoslavia. But one can recall with what "high-precision" weapons our army fought in Chechnya. They simply smashed Grozny to the edrene-fen.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 28 May 2014 21: 23
      0
      Chechens are cool warriors. Probably also because they have been living in the Russian Empire for a long time. Look how Georgians are afraid of them, the so-called nat. guard, and in Lebanon they helped.
  21. Palych9999
    Palych9999 28 May 2014 10: 11
    -2
    All actions of all parties in the east of the Outskirts are hopeless from the point of view of achieving the final result.
  22. Grach710
    Grach710 28 May 2014 10: 15
    +2
    High-precision "Grad". You need to drink for 2 days so that such a thought appears. Hmm. sad
  23. air wolf
    air wolf 28 May 2014 10: 15
    +3
    Our brothers in New Russia do not have support, let’s support them even in the internet! They are now very hard, sorry we can’t crush the Nazis by force! History repeats itself, the mattress covers paid for Hitler, now Yatsenyuk, then again Abkhazia - gay performances, what's next the third world?
    1. maxbaxg61
      maxbaxg61 28 May 2014 10: 34
      +2
      3 MV has long been going only in a new format in the information
  24. Luke
    Luke 28 May 2014 10: 21
    +1
    Knowing which high-precision Ukrainians tensed and we and Europe and even part of Asia)
  25. mackonya
    mackonya 28 May 2014 10: 30
    -1
    The concept of high-precision weapons is different for each side, in this case, the Grad system falls under this category, nothing that this weapon of a "sector-by-sector" strike is the main thing with the desired sector, and of course, they have Su-25 attack aircraft there will be "masters" who can fire unguided rockets "roughly towards the target." This is the "Kiev government" so you can expect anything from them. Therefore, the evacuation is necessary, but within the borders of Novorossiya and of course to be carried out in the dark, otherwise victims cannot be avoided.
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 28 May 2014 10: 31
    -1
    "If the militants do not surrender, a strike from high-precision special weapons will be struck at the reconnoitered targets, Lieutenant Colonel Vladislav Seleznev, head of the ATO information department, wrote on his Facebook page."

    He was so kidding. Wishful thinking. Playing war games.
  27. maxbaxg61
    maxbaxg61 28 May 2014 10: 33
    +4
    Damn they can’t be given into the WTO’s hands, because they can’t shoot normally with artillery !!! If I’m not mistaken yesterday or the day before the Ukrainian army fired at Slavyansk from artillery they wanted to go to the bakery. As a result, they got into the hostel in the roof there were 90 people at that moment only one girl from this dormitory was already operated on, a girl died who was returning home from work, a splinter entered the back through the heart. Two shells hit the uni’s yard on the 1,2st and 7nd and XNUMXth floors of glasses. The classes were suspended indefinitely. the factory also got into the bread, but I don’t have any idea what kind of destruction it was. My friend told me that she is studying there and is currently at home, and her friends studied there since the university didn’t close it before. some deer sat in the spot of the gunner ???? It’s better to push everything to the militia
  28. Santor
    Santor 28 May 2014 10: 39
    +4
    Quote: gogen3
    Only one thing is not clear to me. Why is the entire "civilized" type of world community not outraged that such special means as the WTO, artillery and other weapons for a "big" war are used against their own population? Yes, the leaders of the DPR and LPR could be recognized as terrorists, bandits, etc., but then, since this is so, let them use standard means of neutralization such as assault with manpower, otherwise it turns out that double standards no longer even have a ghostly justification.


    And it does not know about it at its core ... The news in Ukraine has finally risen to the 4th line - let's see what it is - an interview with Poroshenko where he says that the war will continue until all the leaders are arrested and brought to justice. Then - and that's it ... Another 50 seconds of video of just a helicopter flight over Donetsk. At the very bottom there is a mention of the seizure of 4 OSCE employees by terrorists ... And all the guys, that's all the reader of the largest German daily "Die Welt" knows - http://www.welt.de
  29. hrapon
    hrapon 28 May 2014 10: 40
    +3
    I suspect that these may be heavy drones, which Ukraine officially does not have. Only NATO and the USA can use them in fact.
    If this happens, it will be Russia's most serious challenge.
    De facto, this is a recognition that the West is providing military assistance to Ukraine as a NATO ally. Thus, demonstrating that the allied relations have already developed in fact, which in the future will allow to overcome the resistance of those who disagree (within this organization) to Ukraine's admission to NATO. It will be difficult to prove that these drones will actually be controlled from somewhere in Kentucky. Ukropatriots will shout that the "valiant Ukrainian military" have mastered new types of weapons in cooperation with NATO.
    For the Yankees, this is at the same time testing the scenario of a future armed and possibly nuclear conflict with Russia, when the formal aggressor is on the territory of Ukraine. I suspect that the ultimate goal of the United States is to deploy nuclear weapons carriers in Ukraine. They have already begun to refit their fighters for these purposes in Western Europe. Their motives are clear - they are ready to kill, but not ready to die. This is the essence of US policy.
    1. Anper
      Anper 28 May 2014 12: 49
      +2
      Quote: hrapon
      . This is the essence of US policy.

      UNPUNISHED SHOT OF AN UNAUTHORAL ENEMY FROM A SAFE DISTANCE
    2. avia12005
      avia12005 29 May 2014 08: 11
      0
      I think that the Russian Federation has ways to suppress the UAV control channel. If Putin gives the command, they will sit in somewhere near Rostov drinks
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  30. Gray 43
    Gray 43 28 May 2014 10: 42
    +2
    The US PMCs probably have something of smart weapons, and the discussion in the comments about the remaining Soviet legacy of guided weapons may be appropriate, but we should not forget that the missiles and shells have their own shelf life with proper maintenance. What will happen in case of abnormal operation of the ammunition during use, no one knows. War with its people is not justified by anything, even by the application of the WTO, but even by nanotechnology, there is no difference if people die
  31. Aeneas
    Aeneas 28 May 2014 10: 45
    +3
    In addition to Kvitnyk, there are air bombs with TV heads and air-to-surface missiles with a laser guidance head.
    1. ssskalinin
      ssskalinin 28 May 2014 13: 32
      0
      This weapon with a probability of 90 o / o must be highlighted by the gunner
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 May 2014 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: ssskalinin
        This weapon with a probability of 90 o / o must be highlighted by the gunner


        XTO said that ???? belay and what is Kayra and Klen Maple already is not enough ???? wassat ??? And with a TV tower rocket ..... that you need to highlight wassat ??

        And according to PANs .... the Palace of Sports in Donetsk was burned in the lungs .. do you think there is a problem with the transfer or "leakage" of PANs? wassat
      2. Cynic
        Cynic 28 May 2014 18: 19
        0
        Quote: ssskalinin
        this gun with a probability of 90 o / o must be highlighted by the gunner

        What kind of century are you talking about the WTO? Of the past ?
  32. hrapon
    hrapon 28 May 2014 10: 49
    +4
    In this situation, the question of delivering a "pacifying blow" to the groups of the National Guard and other evil spirits, as well as accumulations of heavy equipment in the regions of Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk, Lugansk and Izyum, is becoming more and more urgent. The weapons we have allow us to do this in several ways without the introduction of troops or by means of dagger operations with the subsequent withdrawal of special forces.
    It seems to me that the time has come to give a slap in the face to bring everyone to their senses - in the words of Putin - "to hit them properly."
  33. ed65b
    ed65b 28 May 2014 11: 08
    +5
    When it is interesting to accumulate a critical mass of corpses among the civilian population, and what is it for Russia to introduce a no-fly zone over southeastern Ukraine?
  34. Leshka
    Leshka 28 May 2014 11: 19
    +1
    maybe they meant snipers, they are accurate laughing
  35. navodchik
    navodchik 28 May 2014 11: 28
    +3
    Let me remind you about the Tochka-U complex. In 2013, he was still in service with Ukraine. Its use will have the effect of using heavy weapons in its own population. Again, the level of preparation of the calculations and the possibility of using ammunition with an expiring shelf life are unknown. I think when trying to use, they will kill themselves as well.
  36. Cristall
    Cristall 28 May 2014 11: 57
    +5
    I agree. And from the very beginning. This will only worsen all existing problems. But this is stubbornly overlooked in Kiev. And by choosing a prezik - who promised to "settle" everything quickly - the memory and control department glued the status to all terrorist militias. In general, the zombie society and Kiev are doing worse. They aggravate the situation.
    Only for the sake of United Krajina ...
    But the war spins ... no one wants to decide the world. Speaking of the chaos zone ... that's just on the border ..
    The most interesting KIEV screams that it’s Moscow there, the Kremlin generally refuses everything. Kiev is unprofitable to admit that there Ukrainians are fighting with Ukrainians and generously declares that there are foreign terrorists. Convenient, the requirements are immediately illegal, we save the Ukrainians, we kill strangers .. It is easy convenient and conscience does not hurt
    But the world can’t solve it ... But why ... There is no electorate from the point of view of Poroshenko. All against. So they are not Ukrainians.
  37. marder4
    marder4 28 May 2014 12: 10
    +1
    yeah, "Grad" can hardly be called a precision weapon ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 May 2014 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: marder4
      yeah, "Grad" can hardly be called a precision weapon ...

      Maybe I missed it, but somehow it's all about Points forgotten. Friends, including marshals.
      And they are in Ukraine!
    2. tokin1959
      tokin1959 28 May 2014 14: 23
      0
      you can get to Donetsk from the city.
      can.
      and for sure - in Donetsk.
      apparently hinted at it.
      Svidomo dill can "fight" with civilians and their cities.
      these "warriors" are not capable of anything else.
  38. yureccc
    yureccc 28 May 2014 12: 42
    +1
    I think that it was not in vain that the Ukrainians asked the Americans for communications. judging by recent events, the spotters are already trained and effectively applied !!!! here you have the precision weapons of Ukraine
  39. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 28 May 2014 12: 54
    +1
    If they have a "high-precision weapon", then what the fuck ... are they hitting residential areas with mortars ??????????? Or will the owners give them a hand in some of their mattress filth?
  40. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 May 2014 12: 57
    +4
    From drones will probably "strike"?
  41. Semenov
    Semenov 28 May 2014 13: 21
    +2
    You can highlight the target with a laser and a rocket. And the drone will be spotted immediately, the scandal will be colossal, they won’t do that. Then Poroshenko said that the ATO would end in a few hours, but the day was already ending and reinforcements had arrived. The president’s visit to the Donbass is postponed - there’s nowhere to land and the train station is busy, that’s the thing ...
  42. repytw
    repytw 28 May 2014 13: 24
    +1


    The media commenting on the so-called ultimatum of the Kiev authorities to Donbass militias reported on the possible use of X-29 missiles against the rebels. Military experts were very skeptical about this information.
    The fact is that the X-29 is a heavy missile weighing almost 700 kilograms, more than 300 of which are in the warhead. They are designed to destroy large, well-defended targets on the territory of the enemy. Did someone seriously think about destroying the infrastructure of Donetsk. You can only imagine what kind of victims the explosion of the warhead of this product in the city will lead to.
    In addition, these missiles in both versions (with laser and television guidance systems) are quite sensitive to external interference, such as smoke curtains, fog, just bad weather conditions. The use of these means of destruction in night conditions is limited.
    In addition, according to experts, the age of the data available in the Ukrainian arsenals of these aircraft weapons will significantly impede their effective operation.
    Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft and Su-24M front-line bombers can use X-25 missiles, but they are also redundant in their characteristics and have the same drawbacks as the X-29.
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 May 2014 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: repytw
      Military experts were very skeptical about this information.


      It is necessary to drive such ... "experts" into the "fix".
      And the headquarters of the DNI ... not an object for a strike? belay
      For whom and what ... redundantly ??? belay
  43. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 28 May 2014 14: 38
    0
    In general, Ukraine has already developed guided high-precision shells for 122 and 152mm howitzers. But I don’t know how it is with production .... But the fact that there are no trained fighters to use this splendor in Ukraine - I’m sure ....
    Again, I recall how aptly, at one time, Ukrainian artillerymen hit a residential building (there were victims) away from the landfill, I understand that any WTO in the hands of a savage turns into a cobblestone ...
  44. siberalt
    siberalt 28 May 2014 14: 45
    +1
    [quote = sergey72]
    I don’t understand one thing .... And what happened to the arsenal of missiles like X-25, X-29 in Ukraine inherited from the USSR?
    Yeah! And in the fall, they presented the last saber to the American ambassador laughing "Arsenal" from the USSR is profitably sold.
    1. D.V.
      D.V. 29 May 2014 04: 51
      0
      Someone has become a little richer.
  45. yarvol
    yarvol 28 May 2014 14: 57
    +2
    "Kvitnik" (Rus. "Flower") - Ukrainian complex of guided artillery weapons, developed by the scientific-industrial complex "Progress" and the Central Design Bureau "Precision"
    It includes an adjustable 152 mm high-explosive fragmentation shell with a 9E431 semi-active laser homing head. Designed for artillery systems such as the Msta-S howitzer, 2S3M Akatsiya and the destruction of armored targets, command posts and engineering structures from the first shot. It is capable of hitting targets moving at a speed of up to 10 m / s with a probability of 0,9.
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 28 May 2014 15: 49
      +2
      "Ukrainianized" "Krasnopol"?
  46. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 28 May 2014 14: 57
    +2
    The experience of Yugoslavia and Iraq shows that it is possible to fight with these weapons at the least cost, we have such developments, which is interesting because the ammunition can be taken to another place. Yes, the easiest way is to disperse it, let it be shot, there are so few of these funds in Ukraine, but in return you can slap a bullet. A little advice, although I understand what Strelkov would say about this, but I think he will forgive me, we must move on to precise sabotage attacks, remember Vietnam, destroying the shade, primarily aviation and heavy, it’s hard to talk about it, but you’ll have to destroy those who serves these maidanuty, but I think you are experienced people and make the right decision yourself. GOD AND PEOPLE WITH YOU.
    1. dkflbvbh
      dkflbvbh 28 May 2014 15: 41
      0
      Do not hell to spare them, they climbed themselves.
  47. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 28 May 2014 15: 48
    +4
    OTR "Tochka" and "Tochka-U", as well as TR "air-to-ground" X-25 and X-29 and KABs in Ukraine were (what was left of the arsenals of the Land and Air Force of the USSR). True, for 23 years of "Nezalezhnosti", most of it was sold out or simply "stale". So that...
  48. kotyara
    kotyara 28 May 2014 16: 30
    0
    The most highly accurate weapon in Ukraine-Facebook!
  49. 2sila
    2sila 28 May 2014 17: 17
    +1
    A KAB 500 ???
    KAB 500 kr, then probably they still have a union
    Shmalnut with Su 24 and do not think.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas 28 May 2014 17: 51
      +2
      I saw this on Opuka 5 years ago. however, there was such a ostentatious teaching - everyone took turns hitting a target in the form of a cross on a hill, everyone hit, then the 24th flew in and made a "big bang".
  50. domiemon
    domiemon 28 May 2014 18: 30
    0
    Most likely, used Predators are going to deliver mattresses. Well, several operators disguised as PMCs. In Iraq and Afghanistan, they are quite actively involved. True, in the city they are of little use.