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“Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”

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“Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”



No matter what he was guided by. It is important that, in essence, “perestroika” became a crime against its people.

According to the latest data from the Levada Center today, 56% of Russians see more harm in Gorbachev's “perestroika”, and only 23% is more useful.

The numbers fluctuate by year, but one thing remains stable: the majority sees it as a harm, a minority - the benefit. For ten years, the minimum number of those who see more harm did not fall below 55%. The maximum number of those who see the benefit was not understood above 25%. Standard distribution on many key issues: on the one hand - three fifths, on the other hand - one quarter.

Moreover, those who have not seen the restructuring itself and have not seen what the country has lost and acquired have mostly noticed the benefit. Harm is more seen by those who have seen and restructuring - and the fact that the country has lost as a result of it.

A survey on this topic conducted at KM.RU gave an even more unequivocal assessment - 96% of portal readers believe that the “reforms” launched by the last general secretary went to the country to harm.

As was Vertinsky: "You tell me who and why it is needed, who sent them to death with an injured hand." Only here it is not only about people - about the country.

Six years over the country mocked. Six years she was killed. Six years of people deceived and decomposed. Under the beautiful slogans, with the proclamation of the right words, with "the expansion of democracy and publicity and increased activity of the masses." Moreover, they did it based on the real expectations of the transition to the breakthrough development of the country. The energy of creativity pushed together. The desire to create turned into a skill to destroy. Conflicts created from scratch, and did not do anything to resolve them.

Only those who really saw all this can fully realize the madness of the creation.

Of course, it was a crime. The crime is more monstrous than the crimes of Hitlerism: they trampled the soul of the people. The self-consciousness of the people of the victor and the people of the pioneer were turned into the self-consciousness of the “people-slave”, “people-criminal”.

You need to remember, you need to remember how it was and tell the truth, as it were.

"Perestroika" can be divided into three relatively equal in duration stage.

The first of these covers the 1985-87 years, when the struggle is conducted mainly within the higher old elite on the degree of radical change and the choice between two possible vectors.

The second is the 1987-89 years, when the most privileged sections of society, previously not allowed to real power, are included in the struggle, the liberal course of change is adopted and the demand is made to change the political system.

The third is 1989-91, when a real counter-elite is being formed, the power from the CPSU passes into the hands of the newly elected representative bodies, the question of a radical change in the political and socio-economic system is raised.

During the first stage, opponents of change suffered a final defeat. However, the group that came to power also split. The quick change in the economic situation could not be achieved, the management system found itself in a situation of confronting the requirements “to work in a new way” from above and the requirements coming from below to clarify what and how to do in a new way.

The unpreparedness of the country's top leader for setting new tasks before the managerial apparatus was really revealed. The result was a growing alienation of professional managers and their leader, which caused growing and poorly concealed irritation on his part, the emergence of a focus on the dismantling of the managerial apparatus itself, the transition to a management system that would not require his constant participation. A social block is being formed that aims at the development of commodity-money relations.

The first manifestation of the transition to a new course is the legalization of private enterprises in the still infrequent form of "cooperatives".

The political outcome of this period is a decline in the masses' confidence in the old elite, annoyance at the lack of real changes, striking the growing property differentiation between public sector workers and few co-operators, which has been used since the 1987 year with party propaganda to oppose the masses to the party apparatus.

The economic result is the legalization of a new social stratum associated with private enterprise, the opportunity to openly use the accumulated funds, the leaching of cheap goods and the massive transfer of non-cash money into cash, which leads to an increase in the money supply mismatch.

The ideal of the first stage is to transfer the model of society created in the GDR to the USSR.

At the second stage, the liberal version of perestroika is finally adopted. The struggle between the "humanities", "orgovikami" and "technocrats" in the Central Committee of the CPSU is expanding. At the initiative of the first, the elite intelligentsia is drawn into the struggle.

As part of the discussion on historical tough polemics are being waged over questions of the vision of socialism. With the preservation of the party system, public organizations emerge (usually on the initiative of party bodies) that advocate a transition from the "Stalinist" to the "Bukharin" version of development.

In the framework of the postulate of publicity put forward, the social democratic vision of socialism is being strengthened and strengthened. The elite intelligentsia is really fighting for its direct entry into the political elite. An opposition press is being formed, the first rallies and demonstrations of opposition nature are being held. The slogan of the “struggle against Stalinism” is used as the banner of the struggle against the old administrative apparatus.

After the short-term compromise reached on the 70 anniversary of the October Revolution and the report on this subject expressed in assessments, the struggle flared up with a new force, starting in February 1988, the scandal over the publication in “Soviet Russia” of the unnoticed article of Nina Andreeva “ I can not sacrifice principles. ” A special moment during this stage is the well-known split among the leaders of the “hard hand” E. Ligachev and B. Yeltsin, which ended with the latter’s action against the amorphous and inconsistent Gorbachev line and his liberation from party posts, and ultimately the reinforcement of supporters of the liberal course.

Adopted in the summer of 1987, the policy of “radical economic reform”, on the one hand, did not create (and could not create) new levers of economic regulation, on the other hand, it marked the beginning of the disorganization of old ones.

The last party X-conference in June 1988 XIX decided to reduce the term of office of the elected authorities and hold new elections on an alternative basis. The model of “Hungarian socialism” is put forward as the ideal of society.

The political outcome of this period is the formation of political structures, more or less openly challenging the power of the CPSU. In the 1989 election of the year, its leadership suffers an actual defeat. A situation arises when entry into the political elite becomes possible without the will of the CPSU, which creates the prerequisites for the formation of a counter-elite and the official opposition, using the extensive manipulation of the sentiments of the masses.

The economic outcome of this period is the beginning of the disorganization of the economy, the disappearance of essential goods from the sale, the beginning of the breakdown of economic ties, the fall in the standard of living of the population.

The third period spans the 1989-91 years. The election at the I Congress of People’s Deputies of Gorbachev as Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR practically meant his departure from party work and the loss of the CPSU directing powers, while retaining considerable indirect influence. However, from this moment on, the demand for the abolition of the 6 article of the Constitution, which consolidated the leading role of the CPSU, is becoming ever wider.

During the propaganda campaigns that began, the opposition succeeds in completely blocking the left wing, personified by Ligachev. However, from the summer of 1989, the formation of an informal left movement begins, initially in the form of the United Front of Workers, as an alternative in many respects ensuring the victory of the People’s Front in elections.

The election of the Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR is the first attempt of the informal left movement to speak independently, separately from the official party leadership. “Democratic Russia”, formed on the basis of the Popular Front and the Interregional deputy group, united around a sharply shifted from the supporters of the “hard hand” to the number of supporters of Yeltsin’s democracy, managed to ensure his election as the head of the RSFSR.

During this stage, a counter-elite, previously unrelated to the authorities, is being challenged, which challenges not only the old party leadership, but also the liberals, who are in favor of softening the system. A real alternative to the power of the CPSU appears, demands are being put forward for an active transition to a market economy and a change in the country's socio-political system. The leadership is discredited, national conflicts flare up, a number of republics declare their separation from the USSR.

During 1990, the left-conservative bloc of the CPSU is formed and organized, which at the XXVIII Congress succeeds in defeating the social-democratic wing of the party. The result of this is a clear transfer of the struggle from its ranks to the struggle against itself.

The growing danger of losing power leads to a temporary consolidation of the CPSU and its transition to a counteroffensive in the winter of 1990-91. Gorbachev’s conclusion after the first price increase (April 1991) of an agreement with the leaders of the republics on the signing of a new union treaty and the reorganization of the USSR in violation of the referendum on March 17. completely repels the party from him, the demands of his resignation from all posts are growing. Yeltsin's victory in the presidential election of the RSFSR 1991 June 12. activates the left wing in the leadership of the USSR and the CPSU, but his speech in August 1991. defeated, the Communist Party loses power, is banned.

The economic result of this period is complete disorganization of economic management, the rupture of economic ties, a sharp drop in the standard of living.

The overall result of the whole period as a whole and its content really turns out to be the transfer of power from the hands of the old elite to the hands of the new socio-political bloc of the elite intelligentsia, the corrupt part of the bureaucracy and the criminal non-bourgeoisie.

So it was. But this is a chronicle. The Chronicle does not transmit tragedy.

The result of all this was:

By the middle of 90, after going through a series of reorganizations of politics and economics, the country was in a state of increasing degradation and decay. In essence, the declared promises were not realized in any of the areas. The tools proposed for the implementation of those other problems that worried the society really exacerbated these problems and gave rise to new ones.

The following changes actually took place in politics: given the stated goals of developing democracy, restricting bureaucratic dictatorship, increasing the role of civil society in relations with the state, transferring the latter to a legal regime, reducing social differentiation, fighting privileges, limiting crime, increasing the participation of the masses in the elites and development priorities, in fact the following has been achieved:

1) A single Union State was dismembered, with the result being more than a hundred and fifty national state territorial claims, which in a number of regions turned into open civil war. The victims of only acute, hot forms of this process were up to a million people.

2) The political forces that declared their commitment to democracy turned out to be unprofessional and showed a tendency toward authoritarian governance. The role of representative bodies of power, which are deprived of real levers of control over the actions of appointed structures, is sharply limited. The number of elected posts has decreased by an order of magnitude. On the ground, representative authority is reduced to the level of observers under administrations.

3) The number of the bureaucratic apparatus has increased by an order of magnitude, in effect becoming uncontrollable to any authorities. Outside the country, directories are openly published, indicating which official should be given a bribe in what amount. At the same time, the bureaucratic apparatus, devoid of common semantic attitudes, in essence professes not its corporate or individual interest as a priority.

4) The destruction of such instruments as the CPSU, the People’s Control, the Soviets, which had a number of indisputable flaws, actually turned out to be the destruction of all previously formed instruments of control of civil society over the state.

5) The governing bodies have demonstrated open disregard for any legal norms, subjecting them to their administrative will.

6) Social differentiation has sharply increased, the middle class of society that was formed earlier has been destroyed, a few percent of the population owns 30% of the wealth of society.

7) Criminally growing crime, more and more often directly merging with the state apparatus.

8) The leadership of the country has demonstrated the inability to prevent emerging conflicts, or to resolve them without bloodshed.

9) A political and economic course is being pursued, enjoying more or less pronounced, albeit in a passive form, the support of a minority of the population of the country.

10) The elite was not changed - in fact, it consists of the same groups and personalities that formed it ten years ago. The elites are not institutionalized, therefore they do not have prestige in the eyes of the masses, the masses, due to the destruction of the system of medium-sized bonds and the system of values, are easily manipulated and show growing passivity.

That was the result. The result of the greatest crime in human history. And as such it must be called.

It doesn’t matter what guided those who conceived and accomplished it. It is important how it ended for the country, and how it paid for their adventures. And it still pays - for only the blind one does not see that the roots of today's Ukrainian tragedy lie precisely there - in the insane acts of the first and last president of the USSR.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 28 May 2014 14: 05
    +21
    100 percent, so it is, perestroika h.renov.y
    1. MOISEY
      MOISEY 28 May 2014 14: 12
      +24
      As our president said, the collapse of the USSR is the main geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century. Well, perestroika is a deadly snake bite into the body of the Soviet Union.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 28 May 2014 14: 32
        +24
        .... for only a blind man does not see that the roots of today's Ukrainian tragedy lie precisely there - in the crazy actions of the first and last president of the USSR. (from article)


        Only these were not the "crazy" actions of "the first and last president of the USSR," Juda Gorbachev.
        This was a deliberate betrayal of Gorbachev and his associates in state crime, members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, US agent of influence Yakovlev and Shevarnadze.
        Blind, not seeing the crimes of Judas Gorbachev was, and is, LIBERAL President of the Russian Federation, and now Prime Minister of the Russian Federation D. Medvedev, who awarded Judas Gorbachev, according to the totality of the work done to destroy the state of the USSR, the highest order of today's Russia - Andrew the First-Called. As the people say: "A fisherman sees a fisherman from afar."
        1. varov14
          varov14 28 May 2014 16: 42
          +2
          They didn’t bring it down, they didn’t destroy it, they slowly continue gradually. Russia somehow figured out the state debt, but it is necessary to work out the personally spent foreign loot, do not spin. Work out in sweat.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 28 May 2014 18: 39
        +9
        only do not spit in the monitor ...
        1. 225chay
          225chay 29 May 2014 06: 17
          0
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          only do not spit in the monitor ...

          hang for me ... tsa near the anthill!
      3. Erg
        Erg 28 May 2014 23: 27
        -7
        Now you can say anything, just say those who have not managed to achieve anything tangible in the new market relations. Those who rustle in their pockets, I think, do not really agree with you. So maybe we could not use the moment, due to inability or ignorance.
    2. Erg
      Erg 28 May 2014 23: 23
      -4
      Gorbachev did everything right. The question is that in the localities the freedom of choice that our leader gave was not used correctly. Everything that happened later was blamed on the "scapegoat". Minus is welcome
    3. 225chay
      225chay 29 May 2014 06: 15
      0
      Quote: Good cat
      100 percent, so it is, perestroika h.renov.y


      We also forgot to note that industry was deliberately destroyed (new machines were scrapped), established ties between enterprises were torn and, accordingly, jobs were reduced
      also for some reason preschool institutions disappeared - kindergartens, nurseries ...
  2. Burmistr
    Burmistr 28 May 2014 14: 05
    +16
    “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”


    The name itself speaks for itself. How many troubles this son of a bitch did!
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 28 May 2014 14: 09
      +18
      A separate "Nuremberg" is generally needed in the Gorbachev case am
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 28 May 2014 14: 19
        +22
        Quote: krechet-1978
        A separate "Nuremberg" is generally needed in the Gorbachev case am
      2. Erg
        Erg 28 May 2014 23: 34
        -4
        If we could not take advantage of the freedoms given to us, why look for a scapegoat. Minus welcome
    2. yehat
      yehat 28 May 2014 15: 57
      +6
      Quote: Burmeister
      “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”

      “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”
      rather, inaction. Starting to lose the initiative, he simply withdrew.
      In fact, Gorbachev was a poorly educated demagogue with an idealistic position and poorly versed in the very foundations of his decisions on perestroika.
      Perestroika was needed, but not what was changed. It was necessary to actively get rid of stagnant processes, carry less political demagogy and more pragmatism. Especially, this concerned a more equitable social level of the population and, first of all, residents of the RSFSR due to the termination of blind sponsorship of temporary "friends" Putting order in financial relationships that generated a huge number of dependents.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 May 2014 18: 31
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        Quote: Burmeister
        “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”

        “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”
        rather, inaction. Starting to lose the initiative, he simply withdrew.
        In fact, Gorbachev was a poorly educated demagogue with an idealistic position and poorly versed in the very foundations of his decisions on perestroika.
        Perestroika was needed, but not what was changed. It was necessary to actively get rid of stagnant processes, carry less political demagogy and more pragmatism. Especially, this concerned a more equitable social level of the population and, first of all, residents of the RSFSR due to the termination of blind sponsorship of temporary "friends" Putting order in financial relationships that generated a huge number of dependents.

        I completely agree with you, instead of modernizing the country, it was dismantled.
        In Ukraine, the same thing now. Deja vu some.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 18: 20
      +3
      Quote: Burmeister
      “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”


      The name itself speaks for itself. How many troubles this son of a bitch did!

      I would not blame everything on this talker and demagogue with porridge in my head. He alone could not do anything at all. If desired, it would have been kicked out with a stopper, as in the time of Khrushchev.
      The entire "elite" of that time, called the nomenklatura and, first of all, its party and economic elite, was rotten.
      The CPSU itself was a kind of semi-closed caste built like a Masonic lodge (who created ...). True, the bulk of the CPSU were quite worthy and fairly honest people, especially until the 70s.
      The class degeneration of the Soviet "elite" began even before Stalin's death, accelerated under Khrushchev and was finally consolidated at the end of the Brezhnev period. Then it was only a matter of time.
      The thing is that the entire personnel policy of the Bolsheviks was built on the principles of loyalty: before Stalin's strengthening of loyalty to the "cause of the revolution," and after exclusively personal loyalty, all other principles were secondary.
      All the leaders, beginning with Stalin, completely endured careerists and opportunists (like Khrushchev), the main thing is that they do not pretend to be the boss and unquestioningly execute orders and do not let the boss down at work (forced professionalism). The forced period of rejection of this rule was the war.
      A separate caste were party workers who considered themselves specialists in everything (in fact, professional talkers and careerists). Here Gorbi was the representative and nominee of this same caste.
      Hence the result of such a personnel policy (by the way, it is often the same now) - each next top leader is more insignificant than his predecessor (fortunately, there are exceptions, for example, Putin), the result is "marked" as a complete insignificance that has screwed up the country.
  3. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 14: 06
    +16
    Nevertheless, the current Prime Minister handed him the Order not so long ago. request When everyone understands that Gorbachev is a traitor, this is very incomprehensible. Until the authorities acknowledge the mistakes and betrayals of previous rulers, it is itself the successor and follower of these. Or, as usual, do it after the death of Judas?
    1. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 28 May 2014 14: 17
      +13
      Yes, there is one - "Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called (March 2, 2011)

      The government of the Russian Federation would need to take a tie from Saakashvili and hang Gorbachev on it — that would be ridiculous.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 14: 37
        +6
        Quote: krechet-1978
        tie at Saakashvili

        If you try, then both on one can be adapted. laughing
        1. 242339
          242339 28 May 2014 14: 59
          +6
          Keep!
        2. Erg
          Erg 28 May 2014 23: 45
          -6
          Saakashvili fought for the integrity of Georgia, and Gorbachev for the bright future of our country. Why are you going to hang them?
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Nevertheless, the current Prime Minister handed him the Order not so long ago. request When everyone understands that Gorbachev is a traitor, this is very incomprehensible. Until the authorities acknowledge the mistakes and betrayals of previous rulers, it is itself the successor and follower of these. Or, as usual, do it after the death of Judas?

      But how would it not be - most likely, there would not be them now either (not in the sense of physically, but in the sense of power).
    3. zennon
      zennon 28 May 2014 22: 42
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Nevertheless, the current Prime Minister handed him the Order not so long ago.

      Be sure, in the West, they highly appreciated the betrayal of this idiot. As the saying goes, "a barrel of jam and a box of cookies" ... Just look at the face of this goat! He will bleed with delight.
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    5. Erg
      Erg 28 May 2014 23: 43
      -1
      You yourself answered your own question. Not a single "Juda" comes without nomination and approval. And the chains of power flow from one another. So think if Gorbachev and everything that is happening now is accidental. Minus is welcome
  4. mig31
    mig31 28 May 2014 14: 10
    +6
    The harm is obvious, and we are good, everyone is responsible, so we will blame ourselves ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 14: 16
      +9
      Quote: mig31
      all in response

      Is it really the people’s fault that their brains were deliberately dusted and led to the edge of the cliff? Manipulation technologies have been practiced for centuries, Moses won 40 years of Jews in the desert to drive, which you can go slowly in 2 weeks. hi
      1. max702
        max702 28 May 2014 15: 34
        +5
        So yes, this was the first holocaust of the God-chosen people, over time, technologies were optimized and money began to be made on this ..
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 May 2014 18: 42
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: mig31
        all in response

        Is it really the people’s fault that their brains were deliberately dusted and led to the edge of the cliff? Manipulation technologies have been practiced for centuries, Moses won 40 years of Jews in the desert to drive, which you can go slowly in 2 weeks. hi

        So the Germans in 1945 made excuses, they say, we are not guilty, he came.
        I lived and believed then, so I was an accomplice. I confess that I was wrong (I was youthfully gullible and not experienced, knew and understood a little).
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 19: 31
          +1
          Quote: PENZYAC
          So the Germans in 1945 made excuses, they say, we are not guilty, he came.

          As you would be right, there are many nuances here. Agree, you can chat any woman, if you create certain conditions. Restaurant, gifts, promises to get married. And then, as always, we say - the woman is to blame. But really, is it to blame? With the people as well. hi
          1. Erg
            Erg 28 May 2014 23: 49
            0
            Baba bought presents and restaurants. And we are on foreign clothes, cars and prostitutes. What is the difference?
      3. Erg
        Erg 28 May 2014 23: 47
        0
        The people are guilty of not wanting to read and think. Minus welcome
    2. Djein
      Djein 28 May 2014 17: 37
      +6
      Quote: mig31
      , and we are good, everyone is responsible


      They forgot the bald horsetail, because of its despicable stroke of the pen, the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine, how many people suffered, how many people have to be heard from unscrupulous individuals ...
      These three Judahs (Khrushchev, tagged, and Boria-drunk) are worse than external enemies, and we’ll even suffer the grief of their actions ... At the same time, there are those who are trying to do what no reasonable and decent person can undertake ... to try to fence them off, to seek excuses for them that cannot be ... they made a whole country dependent on their moral standards ... and which ...
      If the population does not call a spade a spade, does not give a proper assessment of what they have done and does not punish them properly, but makes them untouchable, then this can happen again and again ... This inaction speaks volumes ... Society is not a fish ... it gives birth and those who become the head and begin to rot come out of it ... And if you are not able to control the process on which your life, your relatives depend, and if we take into account whom we are talking about then of the whole world, then the question is already for YOU .... AND YOU WHO ??? which YOU ... ???
      Start with yourself, then both YOU and the head will be worth RESPECT ...
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 28 May 2014 18: 10
        +4
        Khrushchev ... and the rest.
        If you carefully look at the entire nomenclature of the Central Committee and the government, it was precisely the Ukrainian component that was promoted by quiet glanders and it was disproportionately high. Khrushchev, Brezhnev, all came to Moscow through Kiev. And they already put their people from Ukraine, in the same army. There were almost no Russians at the command posts.
        And second, they continue to elect officials on the basis of personal loyalty and family ties, rather than professional suitability. Everyone knows the last example. This system continues to "work" but is not useful. This prevents the state from developing in the economic sphere, and therefore in the military. Bureaucracy is the fifth column in Russia. The bureaucratic apparatus must be reduced. There are too many loafers in government offices. The fewer there are, the less corruption. There should be control from below, this is a prerequisite for a healthy state.
        -------------
        In a state where there are many laws, it is restless.
        In a state where there are few laws, it’s calm.
        Chinese philosophy.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 19: 25
          +3
          Quote: Turkir
          The bureaucracy should be reduced

          It seems to me that the issue is not the number of officials. The matter is the responsibility of officials. In China, official corruption is much better. There is a good demotivator - shooting. hi
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  5. nicollider
    nicollider 28 May 2014 14: 17
    +12
    the whole event is negative: the destruction of a great country. However, the events of the following days, especially the last ones, showed very well what Western partners are like. if earlier it was at the level of theories, now, after seemingly complete deflection under the policies of the EU and the USA, it pours out in firm conviction that they are enemies.
  6. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 28 May 2014 14: 17
    +5
    Gorbachev is a traitor.
    Bought on a bourgeois lure.
    1. max702
      max702 28 May 2014 15: 35
      +6
      He did not buy, but sold for a song!
  7. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 28 May 2014 14: 18
    +4
    Was the Nobel Prize "For Peace" really worth the collapse of such a powerful state ?!
    1. slava_sherb
      slava_sherb 28 May 2014 14: 46
      -13%
      Powerful if from the side, something quickly it fell apart
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 28 May 2014 18: 22
        +3
        Incorrect formulation of the question - (the state is it, and not it) it was destroyed, such agents of influence as Gorbachev.
        By the way, I did not learn to speak Russian, this agent. This smug beetroot.
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 May 2014 18: 49
        +3
        Quote: slava_sherb
        Powerful if from the side, something quickly it fell apart

        Do not confuse the country and its reborn top.
        Put a rich slob, who bought a license in the transition, and even drunk on a supercar, is the "bad" car to blame for the accident?
  8. Giant thought
    Giant thought 28 May 2014 14: 21
    +16
    For the collapse of the USSR, Gorbachev should be tried as a state criminal. I myself saw Gorbachev's interview to the magazine Der Spiegel on TV, where he openly said on the air that from the very beginning he set himself the goal of the collapse of the CPSU, which is tantamount to the collapse of the USSR. This was never repeated on TV. Therefore, he must be executed, burned, and the ashes scattered so that no one knows where the grave of the main traitor of the Soviet people is.
  9. Palladium900
    Palladium900 28 May 2014 14: 22
    +16
    The highest Russian state award, the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called, which Gorbachev was awarded, has the motto: "For faith and fidelity." It looks like a mockery. Gorbachev, return the order!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 28 May 2014 18: 23
      +4
      You just need to take away the order, officially.
    2. Makarych
      Makarych 29 May 2014 01: 13
      +1
      And also the Order of Honor (February 28, 2001) - for his great contribution to the development of democratic transformations and in connection with his seventieth birthday. It will not return on its own - only to deprive. But let the USSR give orders and medals on its own. With a statement - on the rejection of the awards of the country which I ditched .... am
  10. volot-voin
    volot-voin 28 May 2014 14: 24
    +15
    In addition to harm, Gorbachev did not bring anything to our state and people. What is there 25% .... I think he did well only to thieves and oligarchs who live on our neck, shamelessly plunder the country's resources and export money abroad. Who you can’t ask in the territory of the former USSR, for all he is a traitor and criminal No. 1.
    Not only the Ukrainian tragedy, but the tragedy of millions of Russians who remained abroad as a rogue, a series of civil wars, a robbed country, rampant gangsterism in the 90s (as a result of the death of young guys, the color of the nation in petty gangster showdowns of bloodsuckers like the same Kolomoisky, there is much more that he can to recall.
    By and large, Hunchback deserved the fate of the royal family, which would not have been disgraceful to others.
  11. Gloria45
    Gloria45 28 May 2014 14: 25
    +9
    The fault of this bastard committed suicide
    Pavel Yakovlevich Golodriga (May 5, 1920, Sutiski village, Tyvrovsky district, Vinnitsa region) - December 19, 1986, Yalta, Crimea) - an outstanding Soviet scientist in the field of selection, genetics and physiology of grapes. Doctor of Biological Sciences (1968), Professor (1968).

    Member of World War II. He was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, 2 Orders of the Red Star, the Order of the Badge of Honor, the Order of Bogdan Khmelnitsky.

    In 1950, the recent captain, chief of communications of a self-propelled artillery regiment, P. Ya. Golodriga, completed his higher education, which had begun in 1940, in Krasnodar, at the Kuban Agricultural Institute, from where he was sent to the Magarach All-Union Research Institute of Winemaking and Viticulture in Yalta who gave almost 40 years of his life. In the 50s and 60s he was at a research work in the Crimea for the selection of new grape varieties. In 1968-1977 he was the director and head of the department of grape selection at the All-Russian Research Institute of Viticulture and Winemaking "Magarach".
    It is his story of suicide that Antibiotic tells in "Gangster Petersburg"
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 28 May 2014 14: 31
      +11
      am Because of his fault, so much has happened; fingers and toes are not enough to list.
  12. slava_sherb
    slava_sherb 28 May 2014 14: 31
    -16%
    guys, if not Gorbachev, didn’t sit at computers in the internet and didn’t give out these pearls (the Union is not China), and Lenin once said that either we are them or they are us, of course it’s a pity that we are not. But if you recall with what pleasure they destroyed .... So alas, as it is
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 May 2014 14: 57
      +10
      Quote: slava_sherb
      guys if not Gorbachev did not sit at computers on the Internet and these pearls did not give out

      Yes, hell would be with him with an Internet. Its benefits are very controversial. I would be much more pleased to watch my children playing dice and catch-up than stupidly chopping into computer toys, and sitting all the time "Vkontakte".
      1. slava_sherb
        slava_sherb 28 May 2014 15: 01
        -8
        and plus poor application technology, etc. etc.
    2. brisk
      brisk 28 May 2014 15: 03
      +16
      And they used computers, and the computers themselves would do. And there would be their own Gates, no worse. And people would not have died hundreds of thousands, Russian people and not only Russians. If not for this geek, Mikhail Gorbachev
    3. Zhekson
      Zhekson 28 May 2014 15: 03
      +7
      if not for Gorbachev, then now the USSR would be the first economy in the world. And they wouldn’t be sitting at the computers and knocking on the keys less, everyone would be busy.
    4. volot-voin
      volot-voin 28 May 2014 16: 21
      +5
      Quote: slava_sherb
      guys, if not Gorbachev, didn’t sit at computers on the Internet and didn’t give out these pearls (Union is not China)

      Already at computers would sit on in any situation. When I was in the USSR, I was sitting at the primitive cops when I was at school, in the USA and Europe at that time they weren’t much better. Progress cannot be stopped. Only now there would be less grief and devastation. We needed reforms in the Chinese, and better in the Russian-Soviet model, rather than betrayal of national interests and the destruction of the economy.
    5. Turkir
      Turkir 28 May 2014 18: 29
      +3
      We can endure a lot, even the invasion of Genghis Khan, but there is no such "news".
      Should we be grateful to Gorbachev for the appearance of computers?
      Ah, is that probably what Gorbachev himself told you?
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      I sat at computers until Gorbachev.
      So tired of reading stupid things, and even with aplomb.
      Gorbachev also invented Windows and the Internet.
      Thank you, Gorbachev.
  13. tasey
    tasey 28 May 2014 14: 58
    +7
    so after all Judas did not repent ... not even try. It was not even the collective farm team leader who got down to business with the approach. And "companions". I still don't understand that everything in Russia and against it is his direct fault. Blathers in his defense ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 19: 03
      +1
      Quote: tasey
      so after all Judas did not repent ... not even try. It was not even the collective farm team leader who got down to business with the approach. And "companions". I still don't understand that everything in Russia and against it is his direct fault. Blathers in his defense ...

      Repentance requires intelligence, honor and conscience (I just said something about the CPSU), and if the first one did not exist, and the second and third have long been lost, then where does repentance come from.
      It would be better if he remained a combiner all his life, maybe he would become a respected record holder and order-bearer, beloved father of the family. There was no need to jump above his head.
  14. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 28 May 2014 15: 05
    +14
    Judas-marked (like the current Kiev juntas) was engaged by the CIA. Territorial waters in the Far East cut off "knee deep". He destroyed the Strategic Missile Forces, a shield and a sword of retaliation. He handed over to the CIA the wiretapping schemes in the American embassy (including the newly built one). He destroyed the military-industrial complex. Various "smiling zaluzhniki" in Russia roamed like at home. It is not enough to list all the places. He made (from scratch) absolutely wild concessions to the Americans. As a result, he betrayed everyone. And supporters and opponents. In all of History there is no such leader of the State who has harmed his State. But nothing, survived, survived. We got up from our knees. And this (a bad word) was hiding in the Crimea when he got it out with his venality. At the beginning of the collapse of the Power, it was and will remain in History. By the way, he is a laureate of the "Nobel Peace Prize", which has already become a household award for Russia's enemies.
  15. komrad.klim
    komrad.klim 28 May 2014 15: 09
    +6
    bourgeois Gorbachev showed a "paradise" life in the West.
    But they (the bourgeoisie) did not tell him in what way they got all this abundance (the colonial robbery of the countries of the world, the use of labor (blacks from Africa).
    The bourgeois did not say about the existence of a clan group of Masons-managers who own and command the whole world.
    PS
    in fact, the collapse of the USSR began after the death of Stalin by the fact that Stalin did not leave the receiver.
    When Stalin in the early 50s tried to carry out a reform of management (administrative system), and this system no longer met the advanced requirements of the development of the USSR, Stalin was removed (poisoned).
    The new elite, headed by the Khrushchev-Trotskyist, tried on the old ideology to carry out their petty-bourgeois reforms. But in doing so, they deeply rooted the vicious administrative system. When Khrushchev himself realized that he had further aggravated the situation in the administrative apparatus, it turned out to be no destiny by removing him from the leadership. The opened borders with the West under Khrushchev of the future decaying elite made it possible to systematically prepare the collapse of the USSR. By the beginning of the 80s, this elite was already ready for collapse. And by the beginning of the 90s, the USSR collapsed.
  16. drop
    drop 28 May 2014 15: 12
    +8
    I had a very good friend L.N. Bunny-member of the Politburo of the CPSU. According to him, our country (I mean the USSR) was sold by Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and loudly. I write with a small letter their names. At the meeting of the Politburo, the Secretary General should also elect my fellow countryman G. Romanov, the last two votes were given for Gorbachev, he was elected the General Secretary, And so we would go along the Chinese route and along the way how Leningrad developed under Brezhnev.
    In the article everything is written documented.
    1. Heinrich ruppert
      Heinrich ruppert 28 May 2014 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Drop
      I had a very good friend L.N. Bunny-member of the Politburo of the CPSU. According to him, our country (I mean the USSR) was sold by Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and loudly.

      Yuri Grigorievich. It looks like you are older than me and you have more information. Now, after such a "large" amount of time, you can call a spade a spade. Gromyko, after all, stood up for the USSR in all the stands. Was he, too, somehow recruited? Was that one of the few who was well versed in politics?
      1. drop
        drop 29 May 2014 08: 06
        +1
        Yes, he knew politics, but had no opinion on the development of the country. Why did Shevarnadze give our Sea of ​​Okhotsk (part of it) to the USA. I can give a lot of examples. By the nature of my work, I had to attend meetings of the Council of Ministers and the military-industrial complex, often I made reports on behalf of my Minister. I have the honor.
        1. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 29 May 2014 11: 45
          0
          Yuri Grigorievich thank you for clarifying the situation. I believe you you are a "techie" and that means facts.
    2. andj61
      andj61 28 May 2014 15: 53
      +9
      Are you that famous Shatrakov ?!
      Shatrakov Yuri Grigorievich, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, Honored Scientist of the Russian Federation, member of the Russian Academy of Technological Sciences.
      Since 1963 he worked at NII-33, since 1966 he was the chief designer of multifunctional antenna-feeder aircraft systems, highly interference-protected command radio control lines for fighter-interceptor guidance, with his participation and scientific guidance, radio engineering systems for automatic landing of aircraft were created, including on aircraft carriers ships 1979 - transferred to Moscow to the State Department of the Ministry of Radio Industry, chief engineer, was responsible for the automation of air traffic control, was a member of the Commission for the launch of the Buran orbital ship, was responsible for the creation of color televisions with a large screen; 1989 - Academy of Defense Industries (since 1999 - Moscow Acad. Labor Market and Information Technology), Rector; The author of new scientific directions in the field of radio engineering systems, prepared more than 25 candidates and doctors of sciences.

      Comrades, on our site one of the bison of domestic science and technology! I bow to you for everything you did!
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 May 2014 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: andj61
        ... famous Shatrakov? !! ...
        Comrades, on our site one of the bison of domestic science and technology! I bow to you for everything you did!

        I am happy to join and express great respect.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 19: 27
      +2
      Quote: Drop
      I had a very good friend L.N. Bunny-member of the Politburo of the CPSU. According to him, our country (I mean the USSR) was sold by Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and loudly. I write with a small letter their names. At the meeting of the Politburo, the Secretary General should also elect my fellow countryman G. Romanov, the last two votes were given for Gorbachev, he was elected the General Secretary, And so we would go along the Chinese route and along the way how Leningrad developed under Brezhnev.
      In the article everything is written documented.

      I don’t think that Romanov would have saved the day, I remember, it seems that it was then the “Romanov case” (I don’t know how much everything was the way the media presented it), I don’t say bad things about Zaikov, I don’t know, but everyone already knows about Yeltsin and for example, Ligachev, with his anti-alcohol campaign and ideological dogmatism, also contributed a lot to the collapse, in general, most of the Politburo did not understand the requirements of the time, and some were simply hidden enemies.
      1. drop
        drop 29 May 2014 08: 11
        0
        Romanov G.V. He was a competent and far-sighted politician, and also versed in the development of industry and science. He had excellent consultants. And at the expense of her daughter and her wedding, this is a lie. I personally knew both of them; Grigory Vasilievich would not have allowed himself such an event. I have the honor.
  17. Hleb
    Hleb 28 May 2014 15: 15
    +2
    “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”
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    for only a blind man does not see that the roots of today's Ukrainian tragedy lie precisely there - in the crazy actions of the first and last president of the USSR
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: Gleb
      “Ukrainian tragedy is a direct result of Gorbachev’s actions”
      ...
      for only a blind man does not see that the roots of today's Ukrainian tragedy lie precisely there - in the crazy actions of the first and last president of the USSR

      And not to a small degree in 1922 and 1954.
  18. Fornit
    Fornit 28 May 2014 15: 20
    +7
    On the shard, the target under the ice ax is drawn ... Frankly, it will be a pity if he dies by his death, mr @ h!
  19. Counter
    Counter 28 May 2014 16: 01
    +3
    The end of the 80s was characterized by fierce confrontation between Gorbachev as the head of the USSR and Yeltsin as the chairman of the Council of the Russian Federation. In recent years, many people mistakenly link these two surnames into a single whole, but in fact they were two antipodes. One worked for the entire Union as a whole. Another tore the blanket over himself, trying to grab the maximum power. Gorbachev's forces turned out to be insufficient to contain the pressure of the ruling elite headed by Yeltsin, and as soon as a political crisis broke out in the face of the State Emergency Committee (the old men, they made a mess then when they felt that the remnants of the "party" power were being taken away from them!), Yeltsin used moment to take all the reins of power from Gorbachev. I remember these times very well, and it was clear to the naked eye that it was not Gorbachev who destroyed the Union, but the power elite that opposed him. These are all those republican leaders who, after dismantling the "central" power system in the person of the CPSU, imagined themselves to be local kings, and even saviors of their republics. But at the head of this process was, of course, Yeltsin, not a very competent comrade in matters of government, but with a bulldog grip on seizing power, and the ability to furnish oneself with not very competent people, but loyal to him in the collapse of the country. Gorbachev's main merit is that he was able to relatively painlessly dismantle the completely decrepit "party" system of government, which by the mid-80s led the country to a total and monstrous deficit of everything and everyone. But he did not manage to keep control over the power, it is a fact. And he was overthrown by the more impudent and arrogant local kings in the person of the heads of the republics, headed by Yeltsin. Ukraine was the first to announce its withdrawal from the Union, back in the days of the State Emergency Committee. Bypassing all procedures and contrary to the results of the referendum the day before, when the people in particular in Ukraine voted against leaving the Union. At that time the old "party member" Kravchuk stood at the head of Ukraine. On what basis he then declared the independence of Ukraine remains a mystery! As well as WHO then "greased" him on such a declaration! But Yeltsin also took up this initiative without noticeable delay. This made Yeltsin a sovereign local tsar, albeit on a slightly smaller territory than the USSR. And then it started, it went! How events developed in the early 90s is well known. But the destroyer of the Union was absolutely not Gorbachev, but personally Yeltsin, and Kravchuk, who was bought by someone then.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 28 May 2014 16: 51
      +6
      Quote: Counter
      Yeltsin used the moment with lightning speed to take away from Gorbachev all the reins of government.

      They are not antagonists, these two creatures, played for one pocket (overseas). "God marks rogue" - this is about both of them.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 20: 12
      0
      Quote: Counter
      The end of the 80s was characterized by a fierce confrontation between Gorbachev as head of the USSR and Yeltsin as chairman of the Council of the Russian Federation. In recent years, many mistakenly link these two surnames into a single whole, but in reality they were two antipodes. One worked for the entire Union as a whole. Another tore the blanket over himself, trying to grab maximum power. Gorbachev’s forces were not enough to contain the pressure of the power elite led by Yeltsin
      ...
      But the destroyer of the Union was not Gorbachev at all, but Yeltsin personally, and Kravchuk bought by someone then.

      Do not forget also Shushkevich (third Judah).
      By the way, the communists in the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR even before that could have limited Yeltsin's ambitions, but (I remember, to my surprise and regret) with enthusiasm, faint-heartedly voted for the "Declaration of State Sovereignty of the RSFSR," without realizing what they had done. Everyone saw Gorbachev's weakness, but, for example, I hoped that either he himself would begin to act actively, or he would simply be removed and someone stronger would come in his place.
      So Yeltsin Yeltsin, but there were others, smaller, who now do not recognize their complicity, they say, they wanted the best.
    3. Suvorov
      Suvorov 29 May 2014 00: 15
      +1
      Quote: Counter
      How events developed in the early 90s is well known. But the destroyer of the Union was not Gorbachev at all, but Yeltsin personally, and Kravchuk bought by someone then.


      The role of the personality in history is of course of great importance, but nevertheless the personality itself is not capable of radically changing anything if there is no corresponding "request" from the society. I remember well the USSR of the Brezhnev era (although I was a schoolboy at that time). This was a colossal gap between the official ideology of the CPSU (or declared goals) and the population living "their own lives." The officialdom was in no way consistent with reality. The elite lived a double life. Everyone is used to the existence of these two parallel "realities". But this ultimately played a "fatal role". When social activities were allowed outside the official structures such as the CPSU, Komsomol, active people rushed there and this human "energy" became beyond the control of the government. Within the framework of official Soviet organizations, public activities were tightly controlled, and any initiative that was not coordinated with the "top" was suppressed. The movement towards a market economy or capitalism inevitably generates "private interests", and these "interests" backed by money (which the state does not control) create a "new elite", that is, a galaxy of politicians ready to defend these interests in exchange for financing their political activities. So having started the "process" there was no doubt how it would end. Of course, "agents of Western influence" tried to seize the initiative and lead this process, that is, perestroika. And they did it. They began to methodically destroy not only the communist ideology, not only everything Soviet, but also Russian. All holy concepts such as patriotism, duty, homeland were attacked. History was perverted. Everything was done so that there would be no "stone unturned" from Russia, the USSR, the Russian nation. The "customers" of this process needed "ash" and "ruins". And they got them. But, and the people were seduced by freedom (to do what they please). And the people taught this freedom (though not for long). Well, and then Vladimir Putin appeared (since a "demand" has ripened in society to establish order, to stop the disintegration of Russia). And in spite of all the "filters" of the oligarchs, such a person as GDP has made his way to power. This suggests that if an explicit public "request" appears, it will sooner or later be realized thanks to the existing "power" or in spite of it. Therefore, the authorities should take into account the mood of the people.
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  20. VD chauvinist
    VD chauvinist 28 May 2014 16: 05
    +4
    The collapse of the USSR began Khrushchev, having squandered half the Stalinist inheritance in five years. His thesis is that part. and government officials are also people, and also want to live well, laid the foundation for this process. Lenya further strengthened the privileges of those who, too. As a result, by the beginning of the eighties, irreversible social stratifications began in the country.
    Fidel and Che, especially Che, said that in the USSR there was neither socialism nor communism.
    If, after the change of generations, it was not Goryachev, balabol and yap, who would come to power, but a politician like Deng Xiao Ping, it would be a completely different matter.
    Gorbaev, of course, is to blame. He sat down, bastard, not in his sled.
    And further. For Russia - if the leader says a soft "g" - this turns into big problems (just a sign, no more).
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 20: 29
      +2
      Quote: WD Chauvinist
      The collapse of the USSR began Khrushchev, having squandered half the Stalinist inheritance in five years. His thesis is that part. and government officials are also people, and also want to live well, laid the foundation for this process. Lenya further strengthened the privileges of those who ALSO ...

      Polish state disease. In general, the same as in the Middle Ages in the Rzeczpospolita. There, the nobility knocked out privileges without responsibility, and in the USSR there was nomenclature. The result is the same. There, an omnipotent, but irresponsible gentry first destroyed the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then Poland.
      We have the same nomenclature ruined the USSR.
      Summary: the privileges of officials (the "elite" in general) without adequate responsibility inevitably lead to the destruction of the state. The most recent example is Ukraine (again Polish heritage).
  21. siberalt
    siberalt 28 May 2014 16: 16
    +4
    The article contains the correct thoughts. But the trick is in the title. It turns out that the Russians are again to blame for the "Ukrainian tragedy". With the immigrants from Ukraine Khrushchev and Brezhnev, everything was kind of fine. Yes, fullness. Not everything is so simple. And Gorbachev must be tried! But who will allow? Medvedev's government?
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 28 May 2014 16: 38
      0
      generally an interesting point) the author stuck between the title and the epilogue "essence".
      but about Khrushchev and Brezhnev you will not wait, the author is a follower of the Leninist idea
    2. Suvorov
      Suvorov 29 May 2014 01: 12
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      It turns out that the Russians are again to blame for the "Ukrainian tragedy".


      The Russians are not to blame for the Ukrainian tragedy. They want to make them that way. After all, someone must be guilty. The Ukrainian tragedy is the consequences of the collapse of the USSR, and even earlier, historical Russia or the Russian Empire. Actually, the establishment of the USSR was a kind of result of "revolutionary storms" and a compromise between "national and international". The union was created in the form of a "matryoshka", where a large state includes many small ones. When the unifying ideology disappeared under the blows of "democrats" and "agents of influence", the Union began to disintegrate into separate "nation states". It was practically impossible to keep this "centrifugal process" in the period when the state was weakening and there was no "unifying idea". Naturally, the union republics were the first to "fall away" (since they were practically ready-made nation states with all possible attributes and had a certain sovereignty), the autonomies also began the "process", but they were less "fattened" and faced the opposition of ethnocracies in the union states. Unfortunately, today's Russia has not yet gotten rid of the vices of the former USSR. Although we see movement in the right direction and Russia has recently acquired a different "quality". Any state is based on serving a nation, class or group of individuals (oligarchy). The best option is when the state serves the nation (that is, the people). In Russia there is one nation - Russian (by the name of the most numerous people, while there are many ethnic groups). When they talk about multinationality, then, probably, the ruling circles are "cunning", because there are no such states in the world (the USSR, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia were built on a "class basis"), the rest are built as empires with a core consisting of a "titular nation", or an oligarchy ... Something tells me that by "multinationality" or "Russians" is meant the power of the oligarchy over the "multinational people" of Russia.
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  22. tokin1959
    tokin1959 28 May 2014 16: 21
    +2
    from behind the traitor Humpback, blood flows in rivers.
    For decades, Russia will have to "disentangle" what the humpbacked Judas has done.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 May 2014 21: 07
      +2
      Quote: tokin1959
      from behind the traitor Humpback, blood flows in rivers.
      For decades, Russia will have to "disentangle" what the humpbacked Judas has done.

      He is not so much an outright traitor, but both ours and yours, like Yanukovych, have more ambitions than knowledge and skills, a talker and a demagogue, a weakling on top of the Olympus.
  23. nstarinsky
    nstarinsky 28 May 2014 16: 29
    +2
    This article continues a longstanding controversy. I have already expressed myself on other sites and will repeat it again. An attempt to find a switchman in the person of either Gorbachev himself or Yeltsin as the next link is the greatest mistake of political thought! I will not repeat the well-known thesis that simulations of new versions of history are the lot of teenagers playing role-playing games on computers. History differs from other sciences in that it makes no sense to say "if only, what would it be." Especially in such short periods as perestroika and the subsequent collapse of a large country.
    But there are important reasons in history that influence the appearance of major events in it. And on the main one I want to stop. No matter how you say it, but the very idea of ​​communism is the basis of the success and failure of the USSR. This idea, which the world today, including the people of the former USSR, unitedly dumped. The vaccination of communism was tragic and bloody, and the rejection of it was just as painful. Yes, it is people who make history. But they do it, under the influence of a strong ideology, or because of the complete absence thereof.
    In analyzing the collapse of the USSR, one does not need to be wise. It is necessary to ask the only urgent question for today, which even the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not able to pose for itself. Namely, what is the reason for the global failure of this big idea. And the answer, most likely, lies in the area of ​​complete and absolute isolation of this hypothesis of a better society from reality. It is in the "fabulousness" of communism as an ideology that all its strength and the reason for its catastrophic defeat lie.
    Rejecting this idea, the people remained in an ideological vacuum, from which it was easiest to retreat "to the positions prepared in advance" - back to capitalism. Communism, as a theory, showed the futility of this kingdom of money. Not Gorbachev, not Yeltsin, but we ourselves could not calmly decide where and how society should move.
    There can no longer be a return to the communist idea in its original form. But the feeling that tells us that the current situation is fundamentally unfair hints that there should be life after capitalism. It is on this discussion that today's world should concentrate its ideological efforts! Amen...
    1. Sour
      Sour 28 May 2014 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: nstarinsky
      We need to ask the only relevant question today, which even the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is not able to pose. Namely, what is the reason for the global failure of this big idea.

      This is the most difficult question for the Communists. They are ready to discuss anything, just not that.
      I am registered on the forum of supporters of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and have already convinced of this. They are simply flattered by this question, they immediately leave on another topic. At best, they say something about a handful of "agents of influence" who ruined the USSR against the will of hundreds of millions of citizens.
      Do not believe? Register there yourself and make sure I'm not exaggerating.
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      About "Gorbachev's actions" - one laugh. He had no action, only inaction. He went with the flow and clung to power. So weak-willed, unpatriotic, narrow-minded, short-sighted, he was brought up by the party apparatus. Gorbachev is a typical Soviet official, a man without convictions and will, accustomed to making a career only through chatter.
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 28 May 2014 17: 53
        +2
        Sour, I have problems with self-awareness))
        on the one hand, I am not a communist, but on the other, I remember and honor a lot of communism.
        I don’t forget how I kissed the banner on my knee, how I wore the portrait of Lenin’s grandfather on my chest, how I loved a smooth tie, how I was a Komsomol ...
        but I’m not a communist, and I can criticize the commie ...
        this is pancake diagnosis?
        1. Sour
          Sour 28 May 2014 18: 02
          0
          I enjoyed reading some of the details of your mentality.
          And this is -
          what is the reason for the global failure of this big idea

          You also left unanswered.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 28 May 2014 18: 33
            0
            ) and what does it mean, without an answer too?
            regarding the quoted, yes, it is the party system that is to blame for the collapse of our country, life, souls.
            1. Sour
              Sour 28 May 2014 18: 43
              0
              Quote: Gleb
              yes, it is the party system that is to blame for the collapse of our country.

              I do not quite agree.
              It is superficial. Yes, the system turned out to be rotten. Gorbachev is just one of his kind and he became the head of the system for a reason. Each level there had its own Gorbachevs, the same unprincipled and talkative. But the rot of the system is secondary. And the primary rot of the whole ideology, which turned the people into a non-rational herd. It is no coincidence that when the USSR collapsed, no one went to the barricades to defend or restore it. And in the future it may be the same if they rely on the obedience of the people, and not on its initiative.
              Not the least role was played by the economy. It is no secret that in the USSR it developed extensively, in breadth, due to the ebb of the population from villages to cities. By the end of the 60s, this resource was exhausted. The jump in oil prices in the 70s only delayed the collapse.
              It was necessary to launch new development mechanisms. The fault of Gorbachev and his party is that they slammed this moment. The CPSU, unlike the CCP, did not have enough at the turning point of will and patriotism. Because it is too rotten. And the multinationality of the country played a role.
              1. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 28 May 2014 20: 08
                +1
                Quote: Sour
                when the USSR collapsed nobody went to the barricades protect or restore it

                In this case, who were killed in October 1993 g?
                1. Sour
                  Sour 28 May 2014 20: 33
                  +1
                  And who was there for the USSR? Barkashovites? National Salvation Front? Or Khasbulatov with Rutskoi? There was a very motley audience, and not numerous. And not all leftist views. And the USSR by that time was no longer, in fact, it collapsed in 1990.
                  Nobody came out to defend the USSR, this is a fact. I understand that it is unpleasant for you to read this. An allergy to the truth is a common thing. But you can’t get the facts anywhere.
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 29 May 2014 05: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Sour
                    And who is there for the USSR was?

                    Quote: Sour
                    No one did not go out to defend the USSR, it fa

                    Yourself contradict.
          2. nstarinsky
            nstarinsky 29 May 2014 00: 53
            0
            You also left unanswered.

            I have no answer. Otherwise, I would now be in charge of the cash desk of the new party. laughing
  24. Support
    Support 28 May 2014 16: 39
    +3
    labeled. How many boys died in the gang war, which went there because of the situation in the country. How many died in hot spots - both military and civilian, how many Russians died in the former fucking republics. Bitch. he must be brought to the answer for a long time. And syabuch is also a senior academician. put his hands. Ub.y.d.k.i.
  25. Sibiryak1303
    Sibiryak1303 28 May 2014 16: 44
    +3
    I hate this bald fagot. Ruined such a country. He should not be awarded, but hung by the eggs am
  26. Codename49
    Codename49 28 May 2014 16: 56
    0
    Military secret with Igor Prokopenko (24.05.2014)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTYQMd8BpSQ#t=1246
  27. yana532912
    yana532912 28 May 2014 17: 17
    +3
    No matter how we regret and lament the past, it is gone. This is a story. We are sorry, yes, and we must remember the betrayal of Gorbachev. But let's be honest with ourselves. After all, I was delighted with him in the first year, how much we learned, how much dirt spilled onto the Russian people. They read with enthusiasm, were horrified at what kind of villains we are. He made us treat ourselves badly. She climbed into the archives, stopped reading the press, watching TV. She listened to herself, then simply began to survive with two young children, and all the shroud was asleep. At 86, I already hated him fiercely. And he still lives.
  28. goose
    goose 28 May 2014 17: 24
    +1
    Quote: Good cat
    100 percent, so it is, perestroika h.renov.y

    First, Khrushchev, then Gorbachev, each time the media enthusiasts, immigrants from the agricultural sector broke, in general, a logical and consistent line for the development of the state. There were other anti-technocrats. These were those who every year dug up a cloud of funds in the development of the agricultural USSR and regularly lost to the millions of Soviet workers who worked in their gardens. And these poorly educated peasants tried to rule our country and teach others ?! I just can’t compare them with the ruling four Kosygin-Shelepin-Brezhnev-Podgorny (or Andropov).
    1. Sour
      Sour 28 May 2014 17: 59
      -1
      Quote: goose
      First Khrushchev, then Gorbachev, each time the masses-entertainers, immigrants from the agricultural sector

      What relation did Khrushchev have to the agricultural sector?
      Born in the family of a miner, from the age of 14 he worked at the factory.
      You obviously do not know the history of the USSR.
      I am not commenting on the activities of Khrushchev or Gorbachev here. I’ll just say - what does the agricultural sector have to do with it? And where does "poorly educated peasants" have to do with it? Did Brezhnev have a lot of education? Don't make people laugh.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 28 May 2014 20: 16
        +1
        Quote: Sour
        since 14 years worked at the factory.

        Not completely lied.
        In 1908, at the age of 14, having moved with his family to the Uspensky mine near Yuzovka, Khrushchev became an apprentice fitter at the E.T. Machine-building and iron foundry. The boss since 1912 he worked fitter at the mine. Total: from 1894 to 1912 = 18 years. From 14 to 18 years old he studied.
  29. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 28 May 2014 17: 31
    +1
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/443/hhrp255.jpeg
  30. kare
    kare 28 May 2014 17: 34
    +1
    So it was. But this is a chronicle. The Chronicle does not transmit tragedy.

    You can’t say more. Everything that was put into the fetus before human lives
    Everything was poached in the blink of an eye
    There is no curse in tongues which I would wish to a marked Judas recourse
  31. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 28 May 2014 17: 43
    +2
    I don't understand why you forgot about EBN? This "first president of Russia" is either a hypocritical traitor, or simply, and now even this is not important, in any case he is an enemy of the people.
    1. Makarych
      Makarych 29 May 2014 00: 45
      +3
      Not only about EBN and about his two friends from Belovezhskaya Pushcha. This trio was not enough. I wanted even more power, money, and "legacy" in history. Inherited to the fullest. People-chameleons, holding their nose to the wind, without any principles of morality, ethics, decency, living according to the principle where the smoke is - there and the wind. Everything is built in order to stay in a chair by the trough. From communists to democrats, from democrats to liberals, from liberals to centrists, from centrists to ... and so on. Once again, I want to cite as an example a collage, which I already referred to in my comments ... am
  32. ochakow703
    ochakow703 28 May 2014 17: 50
    +3
    Criminal. But that’s why in our country you can sit down for a bag of potatoes, and never for stealing an entire country. To the answer of Brokeback.
  33. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 28 May 2014 18: 00
    +1
    The Levada Center, as I recall, is funded from behind a hill and not by our enthusiastic admirers. A tagged course did everything that would be the way it became ...
  34. RADIK
    RADIK 28 May 2014 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: slava_sherb
    and plus poor application technology, etc. etc.

    Directly so "miserable" that half of the emigrants with union education and applied technology did not work badly abroad. For example, these are individuals like you (not all of them, of course), having studied in the union and settled normally abroad, they hate the Union, and now Russia with such malice, as if they were in the Gulag and not Solzhenitsyn. Right now there is such a generation in the ukrogosudarstvo. They are ready to do any dirty work in Poland and other Europeans, with the thought that they are supposedly "independent" and that they are supposedly Europe. That's how the alliance headed by Gorbachev sold out for beautiful candy wrappers and gum (Gorbachev, of course, sold better wink) And they called it all perestroika.
  35. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 28 May 2014 19: 02
    +2
    When I hear Gorbachev, I immediately remember all the negative characters in the story. He will be remembered for a long time and cursed for his deeds. Come unclean!
  36. Lvovich
    Lvovich 28 May 2014 19: 37
    +2
    This spotted Mr. in the last election, Putin still blather. Ugh .....
  37. olegst
    olegst 29 May 2014 00: 20
    +1
    "whatever he does, he does everything wrong" - even children know about this, thanks to S. Marshak ...
  38. Bayun
    Bayun 29 May 2014 02: 06
    0
    The reason for the "Ukrainian tragedy" is the lack of SELF-DETERMINATION of the Russian people. Power only reflects what the population wants, no matter how sweet it would be to blame the departed Tsars for all the mistakes. Here, Crimea (80% of people) made it clear that he was RUSSIAN and ... returned to Russia. It is clear that the Russians in Ukraine are also infected with "ukrokhitrosty" (well, what if it will be better under Europe and the United States?). Horseradish radish is not sweeter, but for visa-free travel with Europe, you can even play on the Move. Gorby made a gigantic podlyana to the Western world: he threw on them all the haemorrhoids and smut of planetary existence. Whoever understands what this is about sees how poor Obama is drowning in propaganda and ideological crap. If VVP is a specialist in judo, then Yeltsin and Gorbachev are masters of planetary aiki-do. One can argue about the freshness of being, but this will be written about them in history books in 200-300 years.
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  40. Counter
    Counter 29 May 2014 02: 43
    +2
    Quote: Suvorov
    The role of the personality in history is of course of great importance, but nevertheless the personality itself is not capable of radically changing anything if there is no corresponding "request" from the society. I remember well the USSR of the Brezhnev era (although I was a schoolboy at that time). It was a colossal gap between the official ideology of the CPSU (or declared goals) and the population living "their own lives"

    The way it is. And in principle, the country was destroyed first of all by the same total deficit. Which was the result of an excessively planned economy. Gorbachev understood this very well, and after dismantling the "party power" he opened the door for people to start working for themselves. It was under Gorbachev that small private enterprises were legalized for the first time, and the people first felt the taste of economic freedom. But what could they have done so significant in 2-3 years, before the beginning of the 90s, except to sell beer in stalls, when the flywheel of that total "deficit" had already been fully developed by that time? And instead of the desired economic upsurge, everything came to the general voucher system for goods. And suddenly there was such an explosion, the Emergency Committee. At that time, everyone was afraid of a return to the "communist past"! Gorbachev found himself isolated in Pharos, and then Yeltsin, the savior of the fatherland, appeared on a white horse! And the "Kiev" right there, in those August days, declared their independence from Moscow, and in that short-term moment, NOBODY in the country had the authority to curb Kravchuk. The era of Gorbachev as President of the USSR is over. On good terms, Yeltsin had only to agree to an alliance with Gorbachev in order to neutralize the State Emergency Committee and return the situation to the legal channel, and put Kravchuk "in place", but Yeltsin preferred his old personal ambitions to state interests, and fully approved the beginning of the collapse of the Union.
  41. Hope1960
    Hope1960 29 May 2014 04: 34
    +2
    Gorbachev bought flattery that he is a super reformer. And he gave away all GSVG property for free: airfields, barracks, infrastructure, and all of our pilots and other services were placed in a clean field in Russia !!!! He is a bastard, if he understood the consequences, or d-u-r-a-k, if he did not understand! And next was a companion-wife. Here she accurately realized her exorbitant ambitions! Not every cook can manage the state, especially if she was called from the kitchen to the lord's hall and put on a diamond ring! Here arrogance and climbed !!! In the Russian empire, heirs from young nails were taught to please the state. But Khrushchev and Gorbachev strongly tried to match the kings. But nothing with the pork snout, but in the elite row!
  42. shtorm1203
    shtorm1203 29 May 2014 05: 42
    +1
    I will say one thing, scribbling comments and shoveling the history of the mind is not necessary. was humpback bad? why only him? why is he only to blame for the collapse of the country? maybe those people who stood in barricades in '91 and so to speak, lying down under the tanks defended a young democracy, are still to blame for the collapse, why not ask them? there is nothing to blame for the sore head when the members of the CPSU understood where the country was heading, created the State Emergency Committee and removed Gorbach, but the people were worried that they would be left without jeans and sneakers. They were then called patriots of Russia, they were not allowed to strangle young democracy! In fact, the Euro Maidan is not much different from those events, and here and there brainless little people, not wanting to think about the consequences, reached out to the West forgetting about their culture, thereby opening the way for the collapse and plunder of the country. Even BMP cocktails burned. And who died the kind of caterpillars of the tank received the star of the hero posthumously. You don’t need to wag your tongues like grandmothers on a bench of a big mind, just ask yourself or your relatives on which side of the barricade they were in August 91? There was a country strong and powerful, which was feared all over the world and not only that they were afraid to scare with sanctions, sneezed. Now what? Someone is trying to prove to me that Russia is rising, hesitated, who else is raising Mother? Our president ? Is it not the one who speaks out that the Soviet Union was a utopia and a misunderstanding, or is our government led by Medvedev who granted the order to Gorbach? This makes no sense. What kind of uplift we are talking about if the plundering started still at 91, continues to this day, the collapse of education and medicine continues today. What did Putin do to raise Russia? At the penultimate communication with the people, to the question why Chubais is still not sitting, he answered that not the rational use of the allocated funds is a crime and theft !!!!!! OK, we survived !!! But Medvedev in Yaroslavl said that the class struggle is extremism, so if you want to tell some oligarch that he made his fortune illegally, then you automatically become an extremist? Recently, in Russia, the level of delirium has exceeded the standard of living. How does our present time differ from that, then the people wholeheartedly believed in fiery speeches about perestroika and glasnost, today everyone believes that modernization of production and health care reform is going on, then who knew it was silent and today smart people are not held in high esteem or immediately ranked as some kind of 5 column. Today we are fighting corruption, but only Khodorkovsky was really sitting, we are reforming the housing and communal services, and the rent is growing, reform is in medicine, and in pharmacies 80% is fake, we are raising the level of education for children, and at the exam in the passage, it’s like in prison through the supervision of cameras and metal detectors. We want the people to enjoy all the benefits of household appliances and immediately put a restriction on electricity.
  43. leytenant
    leytenant 29 May 2014 08: 51
    0
    Quote: shtorm1203
    I will say one thing, scribbling comments and shoveling the history of the mind is not necessary. was humpback bad? why only him? why is he only to blame for the collapse of the country? maybe those people who stood in barricades in '91 and so to speak, lying down under the tanks defended a young democracy, are still to blame for the collapse, why not ask them? there is nothing to blame for the sore head when the members of the CPSU understood where the country was heading, created the State Emergency Committee and removed Gorbach, but the people were worried that they would be left without jeans and sneakers. They were then called patriots of Russia, they were not allowed to strangle young democracy! In fact, the Euro Maidan is not much different from those events, and here and there brainless little people, not wanting to think about the consequences, reached out to the West forgetting about their culture, thereby opening the way for the collapse and plunder of the country. Even BMP cocktails burned. And who died the kind of caterpillars of the tank received the star of the hero posthumously. You don’t need to wag your tongues like grandmothers on a bench of a big mind, just ask yourself or your relatives on which side of the barricade they were in August 91? There was a country strong and powerful, which was feared all over the world and not only that they were afraid to scare with sanctions, sneezed. Now what? Someone is trying to prove to me that Russia is rising, hesitated, who else is raising Mother? Our president ? Is it not the one who speaks out that the Soviet Union was a utopia and a misunderstanding, or is our government led by Medvedev who granted the order to Gorbach? This makes no sense. What kind of uplift we are talking about if the plundering started still at 91, continues to this day, the collapse of education and medicine continues today. What did Putin do to raise Russia? At the penultimate communication with the people, to the question why Chubais is still not sitting, he answered that not the rational use of the allocated funds is a crime and theft !!!!!! OK, we survived !!! But Medvedev in Yaroslavl said that the class struggle is extremism, so if you want to tell some oligarch that he made his fortune illegally, then you automatically become an extremist? Recently, in Russia, the level of delirium has exceeded the standard of living. How does our present time differ from that, then the people wholeheartedly believed in fiery speeches about perestroika and glasnost, today everyone believes that modernization of production and health care reform is going on, then who knew it was silent and today smart people are not held in high esteem or immediately ranked as some kind of 5 column. Today we are fighting corruption, but only Khodorkovsky was really sitting, we are reforming the housing and communal services, and the rent is growing, reform is in medicine, and in pharmacies 80% is fake, we are raising the level of education for children, and at the exam in the passage, it’s like in prison through the supervision of cameras and metal detectors. We want the people to enjoy all the benefits of household appliances and immediately put a restriction on electricity.

    it is perfectly correctly stated, if not us, then no one will worry about us. Ukraine is a confirmation of this.
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