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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 26 May 2014

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Russia officially announced that it will respect the results of the Ukrainian elections and is ready for dialogue with Poroshenko.

The turnout was, according to official data of the Ukrainian electoral commission, 60% due, primarily, to the western and central regions and at a record low turnout in the south-east. Donetsk and Lugansk regions, which declared themselves independent republics, practically did not participate in the voting.

The victory of the “chocolate” Poroshenko, who was previously elected by the president by the Americans, was not in any doubt. Actually, this choice makes Poroshenko an acceptable partner for dialogue, since there is still no viable government in Ukraine. Do not assume that Kiev’s political pimps, who fear and hate Russia, are even more afraid of their own Natsik radicals, and most of all they fear their Western masters. Actually, America is the only power in Kiev.

“I don’t quite understand, will you be ready to recognize the winner in the elections and work with him?”, An American journalist asked the Russian President.

“We are still working with those people who control power. Well, after the elections, of course, we will work with the newly elected structures ... Well, God bless him, let it be so,” answered Vladimir Putin.

To be completely clear: Poroshenko is legitimate for us, as a negotiator, and, of course, illegitimate, as the president of the entire Ukrainian people, elected in legitimate, free elections. He has no authority to represent the southeast.

By and large, Russia doesn’t care whom the euro-mayor’s part of the Ukrainian electorate will choose as its legitimate leader. Poroshenko has the advantage that he was not directly involved in the bloody actions of the Turchinov-Avakov-Nalyvaychenko team. He still has a chance to maneuver.
In the last days before the elections, the Kiev authorities sharply intensified the punitive operation in the Donbass, unleashing a real full-fledged war using artillery on the directions of Kramatorsk-Slavyansk in the Donetsk region and Rubezhnoye-Lisichansk in the Luhansk region aviationheavy armored vehicles. Near Lysychansk, an attempt to break through a large column of armored vehicles to Lugansk was stopped. In the Donetsk region in Karlovka, the punitive battalion "Donbass", hired by the oligarch Kolomoisky, was half destroyed and as a fighting force ceased to exist.

In the course of the entire election campaign, Poroshenko promised that the punitive operation in the Donbas will not only not cease, but will accelerate sharply. Why - it is clear: he was elected president of the “zapadenschina”. At the same time, Parashenko is a pragmatic, cynical player, not inclined to put all his eggs in one basket. The question is how much room for maneuver his current curators will determine for him.

Russia has already stated that stopping the punitive operation is the first condition for starting any negotiations. This is the last chance to somehow save Ukraine. And since Poroshenko in advance, before the Ukrainians, was elected by the Americans, they also bear full responsibility for him.
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  1. mig31
    mig31 27 May 2014 02: 58
    +25
    Parasha does not solve anything, the State Department is in charge of the CIA, blatantly undisguised, but what are our steps? I don’t see or hear real help, maybe it's time to open the door to New Russia ...
    1. obraztsov
      obraztsov 27 May 2014 03: 17
      +10
      And since Poroshenko was previously elected by the Americans before the Ukrainians, they also bear all responsibility for him

      Organizers of crimes are always more severely punished than performers.
      When will the world begin to punish the USA for their demonic game, the arena for which the whole planet has already become? Probably the world is waiting for God to give the go-ahead that you can begin.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 20
        +9
        Quote: obraztsov
        And since Poroshenko was previously elected by the Americans before the Ukrainians, they also bear all responsibility for him

        Organizers of crimes are always more severely punished than performers.
        When will the world begin to punish the USA for their demonic game, the arena for which the whole planet has already become? Probably the world is waiting for God to give the go-ahead that you can begin.

        What is your world? A creature that is just what you need, what to push for the right decision?
        Do not hurry. Only just passed the elections of the European Parliament, with quite interesting results. Elections in the EU countries will come soon, with even more interesting results.
        Moscow, too, was built on one day.
        1. obraztsov
          obraztsov 27 May 2014 03: 33
          +2
          I think that the United States deserves a more serious punishment than a change of power and political elite. Their crimes around the world are drawn to a much more serious response.
          What you write about gives a chance for serious changes. But the general vector for world domination by any means the United States will remain unchanged.
    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 18
      +9
      Quote: mig31
      Parasha does not solve anything, the State Department is in charge of the CIA, blatantly undisguised, but what are our steps? I don’t see or hear real help, maybe it's time to open the door to New Russia ...

      At the border with Ukraine there are 20 KAMAZ trucks with armed militants. And this is just the beginning. What other help do you want? To enter wax of the Russian Federation? Who will they fight with there? With a demoralized army and zapadenksiki stompers?
      Specialists from Russia and the republics are traveling. Other forces are not needed there now. And regular troops are so contraindicated.
    3. BYV
      BYV 27 May 2014 03: 19
      +18
      Quote: mig31
      I do not see or hear real help

      Do you seriously believe that a handful of untrained and poorly armed militia would be able to withstand almost the entire dill army? And still inflict heavy losses on them, knock them out of previously occupied territories? I am more than sure that we are providing assistance to New Russia. In the same way as I have no doubt that the GDP will not abandon them. Because if you do not believe in it, then what then can you believe in general?
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 22
        +7
        Quote: BYV
        Quote: mig31
        I do not see or hear real help

        Do you seriously believe that a handful of untrained and poorly armed militia would be able to withstand almost the entire dill army? And still inflict heavy losses on them, knock them out of previously occupied territories? I am more than sure that we are providing assistance to New Russia. In the same way as I have no doubt that the GDP will not abandon them. Because if you do not believe in it, then what then can you believe in general?

        +1
      2. irat
        irat 27 May 2014 04: 05
        +2
        Quote: BYV
        I am more than sure that we are providing assistance to New Russia

        There is clear evidence of such assistance: these are ongoing sanctions against Russia
        1. BYV
          BYV 27 May 2014 05: 39
          +8
          Sanctions against Russia would have been after Crimea anyway. If we did not support SE Ruins, the case would have ended with a massive clean-up and the imposition of all the same sanctions. I don’t know how events will develop further, but non-interference (obvious) greatly strengthened our positions. We have signed a contract with China, and not only a gas one. The EU politely expressed the hope that we will continue to be a reliable partner in the energy sector ;-))) More and more people around the world openly express their support for Russia. The elections to the European Parliament were held, where a significant proportion were "Eurosceptics". Finally, we withdrew the troops from the border and did not foil this farce called "Poroshenko's election." Thus, even if tomorrow we bring peacekeepers into the Ruin, the consequences will clearly not be as serious as, say, two months ago. However, I still think that the introduction of troops is highly undesirable, at least for now.
          1. Weniamin
            Weniamin 27 May 2014 06: 13
            +2
            would end in a mass sweep

            Let's call everything by its proper names. This would not have been a "cleansing" operation, but a natural massacre. Odessa and Mariupol confirm this.
          2. asar
            asar 27 May 2014 07: 24
            0
            GDP made an excerpt! And the opinion in the world, as they thought, began to slowly change in favor of Russia!
          3. Lion
            Lion 27 May 2014 11: 48
            +1
            I agree to all 100% !!! It is necessary to avoid a direct collision, since the brains of Evrohokhlov are washed out to impossible !!! + that time works for us, but for now it’s necessary to rearm.
          4. Lion
            Lion 27 May 2014 11: 48
            0
            I agree to all 100% !!! It is necessary to avoid a direct collision, since the brains of Evrohokhlov are washed out to impossible !!! + that time works for us, but for now it’s necessary to rearm.
      3. ver_
        ver_ 27 May 2014 07: 12
        +3
        ... at the training camp, the "partisans" gave a hundred points to the "rookies" ... no need to compare men with boys ...
      4. asar
        asar 27 May 2014 07: 14
        +1
        Help is provided, but we are not yelling about it to the whole planet! Suddenly, in the event of an extreme aggravation of the situation, the militia will find themselves "" accidentally forgotten "attack aircraft and" turntables "?! And there, you see, and" a bunch of MANPADS "will be discovered! Just don't advertise it! And less hysteria, please!
        1. saag
          saag 27 May 2014 08: 12
          +1
          Quote: asar
          in the event of an extreme aggravation of the situation, the militia will have "accidentally forgotten" attack aircraft and "turntables" ?!

          Accidentally forgotten pilots will be there too?
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 27 May 2014 06: 21
      +1
      Demagoguery is all this. I "walked away" - I shot, no more, without an order, I can’t, but they taxied us. Without an order, we can’t.B.L.I, what to do?
    5. ver_
      ver_ 27 May 2014 07: 04
      +1
      ... down ... there will not be regular units, but partisans without an address and homeland for whom the law is not written, those who can hang on aspen without trial or investigation ... and no complaints - from the world stage ...
    6. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 07: 16
      +5
      Quote: mig31
      maybe it's time to open the door to New Russia ...

      It has long been recognized that there live Russians who are being killed, and not talk in the news about possible gas discounts.
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 27 May 2014 07: 24
        0
        Well, what are you again? San. I said, "move away", and you again. Do you think we were stuck on the spot?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 07: 44
          +2
          Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
          Well, what are you again? San. I said, "move away", and you again. Do you think we were stuck on the spot?

          Who has left? Where ?
    7. maks-101
      maks-101 27 May 2014 07: 34
      0
      I do not see or hear real help
      Putin is playing a very subtle game, and is 100% sure that he will emerge victorious from this, and help is provided but how and with what they do not tell us for obvious reasons.
  2. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 27 May 2014 03: 08
    +2
    So we will be touched by the choice of the people of America already in "our yard"? requestIf only they returned the money?
    1. olegglin
      olegglin 27 May 2014 05: 44
      +12
      These people deserve their ruler:
  3. Peter Timofeev
    Peter Timofeev 27 May 2014 03: 12
    +6
    Pascuda this Parasenko.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 27 May 2014 05: 17
      +6
      And now I’ll say what I didn’t want to say before the election. Of all the candidates, Parashenko is perhaps the most convenient for Putin. Ask why? Yes, because Putin holds him for the most sensitive place. Holds tight, and on occasion can squeeze, bo-bo do. lol Holds for business interests, but what do you think? wassat The plant in Lipetsk is rather big. Again, without the Russian market, Roshen may not bend, but it will not sneeze. So we will look at this matter.
  4. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 13
    0
    Leontyev has discouraged the Kremlin from censure for the forced "inactivity". In quotation marks because the Kremlin is not idle, but simply does not want to get involved in a war. Doesn't want to yet.
    1. falcon
      falcon 27 May 2014 03: 23
      -3
      Quote: Al_lexx
      that the Kremlin is not idle, but simply does not want to get involved in the war. He doesn’t want yet.

      He doesn’t want to.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 26
        +1
        Quote: falcon
        Quote: Al_lexx
        that the Kremlin is not idle, but simply does not want to get involved in the war. He doesn’t want yet.

        He doesn’t want to.

        Nonsense!

        You do not focus on that and do not see anything further than your emotions.

        Here without emotions and cheers-patriotic slogans, justify the need for the introduction of regular troops! And here we all read with interest. Maybe someone will help you and add something.
        So far, I see a mood like Yulia Tymoshenko, who threatened to bomb Moscow with nuclear bombs. The words are different, but the essence is the same.

        ZY
        I respect Dugin very much and read Kholmogorov with interest, but I do not see them as military or political strategists. The emotions of these people, who are not very stupid and attractive to me, are obviously going wild.
        By the way, this article (http://topwar.ru/48896-prizrak-poruchika-nashe-imya-strelkov.html) I posted here, as the least extremist and adequate in recent weeks, from what I read from Dugin. And that is, and only for that reason.
        1. falcon
          falcon 27 May 2014 03: 54
          +4
          Quote: Al_lexx


          Here without emotions and cheers-patriotic slogans, justify the need for the introduction of regular troops!

          And why did you decide that I am a supporter of the introduction of reg. troops? In none
          In my comment, I did not voice such an idea, therefore there is nothing to justify.
          Further, people, Russian people perish, and the government voiced the slogan -
          that we don’t leave our own (and I think this promise is very true). Sorry,
          you have to comply! Otherwise, in the strategic plan, we’ll lose a lot more,
          what they got. The conversation is long, but if briefly, then so.
          P.S. Minus, by the way, is not mine. :))
          1. ver_
            ver_ 27 May 2014 07: 08
            0
            ... and what are not Russian people in the Ukrainian army? ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 07: 46
              +3
              Quote: ver_
              ... and what are not Russian people in the Ukrainian army? ..

              They themselves do not consider themselves Russian for a long time. They prefer to be invented by a nation of Ukrainians, despite the fact that they themselves basically speak everything in Russian.
              I always write and speak Russian, but you just won’t think that I am Russian fool
      2. Penzyac
        Penzyac 27 May 2014 03: 51
        0
        Quote: falcon
        Quote: Al_lexx
        that the Kremlin is not idle, but simply does not want to get involved in the war. He doesn’t want yet.

        He doesn’t want to.

        Wants, does not want, that is not the question. They are trying in every possible way to force us to intervene on US terms. The question is how to intervene on our terms? The main thing is whether the DPR and LPR will be able not only to hold out, but also to mobilize (tear away from "we are working", sofas and beer) forces sufficient to march on Kiev until a moment convenient not for the White House, but for the Kremlin.
      3. VAF
        VAF 27 May 2014 13: 26
        0
        Quote: falcon
        He doesn’t want to.


        In addition to Sani Romanov, you have the most mature comments ... the rest is so .. "leavened-patriots" are trying to somehow and in what way "whitewash2 everything ... well, the rest is just mat !!! soldier

        But he never wanted to ... since ... he could not and can not !!! soldier

        I hope at least there will be enough MIND to build UKREPRAYON in the Crimea during this time !!! Or again "we will negotiate" wassat
    2. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 27 May 2014 03: 24
      +9
      Militant hamsters again minus. ))))))))
      Well, you Paskuda, you yourself are not going to fight, but only yelling that Putin would send troops? BUT? Or just tryndet on the keyboard? )))))))
      1. MG42
        MG42 27 May 2014 04: 33
        +5
        Quote: Al_lexx
        Militant hamsters again minus. )))))))

        Why scream only one minus. To your screams 5 pluses laughing

        Putin hinted at the Kremlin’s trend, 26.05.14 Lavrov said in black and white.


        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 27 May 2014 18: 06
          -1
          Quote: MG42
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Militant hamsters again minus. )))))))

          Why scream only one minus. To your screams 5 pluses laughing

          Putin hinted at the Kremlin’s trend, 26.05.14 Lavrov said in black and white.

          I spoke in a whisper. Yelling is CapsLock. wink
          And then, Oriori, but all is useless. The number of people who want (on this resource) to wipe Ukrainians off the face of the earth is much more than those who think and are ready to answer for the bazaar.

          Those who really want to fight the Ukrainian Nazis are already at war or collecting packing. The blood-thirsty Internet hamsters have nothing to do but yell - "Putin wake up, people are dying there!"
          Why are they better than Tymoshenko, who wants to obliterate the Russians or those of Donetsk and Kharkov, who are sitting in huts and waiting for someone to free them? I don’t know.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 28 May 2014 06: 29
            0
            I even know who it’s minus.

            How low it all is.

            Cheap online hamster cabal.
            Disgusting.
      2. asar
        asar 27 May 2014 07: 28
        0
        "Sofa troops" went on the "offensive"! "Klava" "sweats", "mouse" asks for mercy! laughing
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 27 May 2014 18: 58
          0
          Quote: asar
          "Sofa troops" went on the "offensive"! "Klava" "sweats", "mouse" asks for mercy!

          And when you try to open a link to VO in the mail _ Red screen _ The site is infected!
      3. Lion
        Lion 27 May 2014 11: 58
        0
        + to you for a cold head and healthy thoughts !!! good
      4. Lion
        Lion 27 May 2014 11: 58
        0
        + to you for a cold head and healthy thoughts !!! good
    3. Blondy
      Blondy 27 May 2014 04: 50
      +3
      For some reason, everyone got the idea that Russia could act only at the Kremlin level.

      Meanwhile, a bunch of Ukrainian military equipment has accumulated in Crimea. The Kremlin did not take it “to balance,” and it formally falls under the jurisdiction of the local administration, since it is located on the territory of Crimea. It was decided at the MO level to send her to Ukraine. Then it was decided to suspend until the situation clears up.

      Let's pay attention to “suspend” and we will consider that the situation has cleared up. Since Russia does not recognize any authorities in Ukraine, Aksyonov finds himself in a situation of “democratic choice” - “to whom I want, I will send”, i.e. The administrations of New Russia and Crimea agree among themselves at their level and the equipment is leaving for its intended purpose. I will not talk about repair and scrap metal - volunteers will do one of two. And Putin can swear by Kuzkin’s mother that neither he nor Russia provided any assistance to anyone at the state level, but returned Ukrainian property to Ukrainian territory to Ukrainian taxpayers (well, they don’t return to Westerners, who mainly go on migrant workers in Europe and do not have taxes pay).

      Putin can even “punish Aksyonov for arbitrariness”: declare reprimanding, or even remove him from his post - and Aksenov becomes an IO, otherwise the Russians will not understand, but does Putin need this?
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 27 May 2014 06: 15
        +3
        SW Blondie! Have you tried reading the Constitution
        tion of the Russian Federation, at least in terms of regional powers? It is smaller in volume than the shortest story of Daria Dontsova. But simpler - Aksenov does not have such authority. Or do you offer him to smuggle weapons for reprimand from the President? laughing And for the desire to help the southeast, a complete reprint!
  5. nvv
    nvv 27 May 2014 03: 26
    +1
    It’s sinful to laugh at sick and naive people, but after applause, to the words "with this respected person" - I could not restrain myself.
  6. vvvvv
    vvvvv 27 May 2014 03: 26
    +4
    In principle, it was summed up that at the moment everyone who follows the events understands. Here, it is worth keeping in mind the recent comments of I. Korotchenko on the question whether Moscow has taken a passive or "concessional" position. Simply put, Korotchenko assured that one should not succumb to pessimism and that what is needed and how it should be done.
    Personally, I think that Kiev now needs to think about "water drain", tk. it is unlikely that even an increase in the scale of the ATO will help them, since this will certainly elicit a commensurate response within the current confrontation methodology. However, there is no doubt that there is also a critical mass of devastation and casualties, after which the course of events can change dramatically, or if even a relatively large-scale intervention in the form of foreign mercenaries is recorded ... Moscow gives Kiev a good chance to get involved properly, especially since Kiev itself it wants and cannot stop. There will be a scenario similar to the Georgian one, unless, of course, the West wants to arrange the end of the world. In any case, the advancement of missile defense and other obsessive moves on the part of the United States is simply forcing Russia to act as unceremoniously in defending its interests and go for broke. The masks have been dropped. The time for lisping has passed, although diplomatic rhetoric should be continued and the reasonable style of combining rhetoric and real actions taken by Russia should be supported! This is precisely the point!
    Let's see how the United States can now support the deployable colossal military and other infrastructure around the world in the conditions of exhaustion of all means and resources ... It will cost them dearly. Russia ultimately has enough emphasis on nuclear deterrence. There is no silver lining - that the USSR lost, Russia is successfully recovering, but having received that it did not have during the USSR - sausage, clothes and other things (I exaggerate). And this is without trillion debts and the modern military infrastructure being created, and not physically becoming obsolete. It is possible that Russia has quite successfully almost modernized, having managed to rebuild (admittedly) from a very bureaucratic and degrading Soviet system. What is the difference between state capitalism and socialism - in fact, nothing, if you think about it ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 27 May 2014 03: 33
      +20
      Quote: vvvvv
      What is the difference between state capitalism and socialism - in fact, nothing, if you think about it ...

      I answer your question.
      It differs even by the fact that under socialism, underground millionaires were planted with confiscation of property, like the father of Poroshenko-Waltzman. And under capitalism, a millionaire thief is made president.
      1. vvvvv
        vvvvv 27 May 2014 08: 19
        +2
        Do you yourself believe that you have been transplanted a lot?! ... It doesn't seem to you that it was these representatives of the clans of the shadow economy who created an artificial deficit in the 80s, and that only Gorbachev was charged, they turned it into a massive conspiracy?! ... The mafia was already operating under Brezhnev with might and main, even the wife of Brezhnev himself was close to dealing with jewelry. There was a beau monde, untouchable, etc. Further only more. Always planted only those who are objectionable or rose himself in a quiet and contrary ...
        By the way, the "cool" approach with comments ... I wrote the comment first, but now it is somewhere at the end of the comments. It is very strange here that the temporal sequence of the publication of comments is formed - they are completely mixed up in time. The absurd approach of not considering time zones, although it is enough to use the server time, not the user.
    2. I want to serve
      I want to serve 27 May 2014 08: 25
      +1
      I would also answer, but in a slightly different way ... Let's omit the terms down the wind and remember what we had under real socialism. This is the influence of society on a person, first of all, as a moral manager - from an elementary one: he threw a piece of paper in the street and a LOT of people will tell you that you cannot do this, but you need to pick it up and throw it into the trash can, then even more interesting are public meetings appealing to the conscience of the one who has failed !!! This is not to beat your wallet, but for people with a conscience, public condemnation is much more influential than a fine. And in general, I have such a proposal: let's create socialism ourselves, that is, when passing by drinking people on the school playground, not to be silent, but to condemn it aloud. Yes, however, there are many examples that can be influenced! And they are afraid that you will not be understood unnecessarily, it is enough to say and it is desirable to substantiate, in order to plant a worm of doubt, "Am I doing the right thing." And capitalism .... no matter what - it is primarily consumerism and I am the center of the universe! ))
  7. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 27 May 2014 03: 35
    +9
    Summit on the lawn of the White House.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 27 May 2014 06: 14
      +2
      Quote: surovts.valery
      Summit on the lawn of the White House.

      Sniffed ...
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 May 2014 06: 23
      +1
      It turns out that even monkeys have their blacks! laughing
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 27 May 2014 07: 01
        +2
        And among the blacks there are monkeys.
  8. Free Island
    Free Island 27 May 2014 03: 40
    +1
    they did right that they recognized PARAShenko)))) now Ukraine has an "official" snout from which it will be possible to shake money for gas, which can be run over for increasing military pressure in the southeast, which in the end can then be later awakened to the people of Ukraine to throw off the hell and hold the next Maidan.
    1. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole 27 May 2014 04: 30
      0
      Quote: Free Island
      did the right thing to recognize PARAShenko)))) now Ukraine has an "official" snout,

      I agree. Everything is just the beginning and the next Maidan awaits Ukraine. When dozens of bodies go home to the West, dozens a day, they will howl themselves. By the way, the camp on the Maidan in Kiev is not going to fold. They declare that they will also look at the new president in business. But in fact, soon WINTER and full economy. decline. And here ahead, on a white horse Yulia break out ..... sad
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 27 May 2014 07: 00
        0
        Maidan Maidan, but have you not read the latest news about unknown burials in quarries? So they will take the "zinks" to the west or somewhere else, if the "Pravoseki" finish off their wounded! For them now it doesn't matter: they will have to answer more or less with a hundred corpses anyway, remember Odessa where two "maydanut activists" have already been killed! Of course, the West will help them, but how will they pay for this "help"?
    2. Flinky
      Flinky 27 May 2014 07: 06
      +1
      No one recognized him as a resident. Maximum as a negotiator.
  9. Everest2014
    Everest2014 27 May 2014 03: 43
    +1
    Can a country with disputed territories host NATO bases and join the EU? I think Putin sought and achieved what he wanted, hence the indignation of Western friends and the calculation of losses. 2,5 billion for gas Ukraine agreed to pay (c) the news from tape.ru wink
    1. Elle-elle
      Elle-elle 27 May 2014 11: 33
      0
      Regarding NATO from the latest news: "NATO member countries are developing plans to deploy troops in the states of the former Soviet bloc, which will end the agreement with Russia concluded after the end of the Cold War," writes The Sunday Times. Defense ministers of the 28 NATO countries will discuss the plans at a meeting in Brussels next week to prepare a program for the summit of the leaders of these states in September, the article says. "NATO and Russia signed the so-called Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security" in 1997, under which they agreed that Western states would not deploy significant military forces east of the Elbe, "the newspaper recalls.
      However, NATO sources say the agreement is valid only as long as the situation remains the same and both sides abide by its terms, and that everything has changed since Russia annexed Crimea. The publication notes that news of the plans of the North Atlantic alliance appeared last week, when Vladimir Putin signed an agreement to sell natural gas to China. "This was taken as a sign of complete disdain for the West, which has imposed sanctions against Russia," the newspaper concludes. Source http://news.liga.net/foreign/world/1902599-nato_mozhet_razmestit_voyska_v_strana
      kh_byvshego_sovetskogo_bloka.htm
    2. VAF
      VAF 27 May 2014 13: 35
      0
      Quote: everest2014
      hence the indignation of Western friends and the calculation of losses. 2,5 billion for gas Ukraine agreed to pay


      Any such indignation ???? Common concern, but .. no more.

      Who told you takle that they agreed ..... they have already sent the forest and Gazprom with their proposals and the great "strategist" wassat

      he sought ... what did he achieve .. tolerasty ???? tongue
  10. NOLF
    NOLF 27 May 2014 03: 58
    +1
    Quote: everest2014
    I think Putin sought and achieved what he wanted, hence the indignation of Western friends and the calculation of losses. 2,5 billion for gas Ukraine agreed to pay

    GDP had to beat money for gas and he did it, but after Thursday (the first tranche for gas) you need to look.
    "politics is the most concentrated expression of economics ..." (Lenin V. I., Polnoye soborny soch., 5th ed., vol. 42, p. 278)
  11. mamont5
    mamont5 27 May 2014 04: 23
    +1
    "Poroshenko has the advantage that he is not directly involved in the bloody actions of the Turchinov-Avakov-Nalyvaichenko team. He still has a chance to maneuver."

    Yes, while there is. But for how long?
    Although, perhaps, that’s why the Junta and the junta have intensified in New Russia in order to have time to clear everything out before Poroshenko officially takes power. And then he will come all white and fluffy (or in chocolate) and establish peace. The stump is clear that nothing will come of it, but they are trying, it is necessary to report to the owners.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 27 May 2014 07: 02
      0
      Already implicated, not yet officially becoming president, he began to give orders to intensify the "punitive action" against Novorossiya!
      1. Flinky
        Flinky 27 May 2014 07: 07
        0
        So this is great. He gets drunk as it should. A given order does not mean its execution, especially if the army does not want to shoot at its own people.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 28 May 2014 02: 38
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      Yes, while there is. But for how long?

      No IS,but WAS...

      From the moment Porosyuk announced continuation and tightening "ATO" ...
  12. andrei332809
    andrei332809 27 May 2014 04: 55
    +1
    was elected by the Americans, they also bear the full responsibility for him.

    Yankees and responsibility? not even funny ...
  13. urii
    urii 27 May 2014 05: 22
    0
    [quote = andrei332809] [quote] was elected by the Americans, they also bear full responsibility for it. [/ quote]
    Yankees and responsibility? not even funny ... [/ quote right. with amerikosov. like water off a goose. who will not punish them. Europe as it gears it will
  14. Ulairy
    Ulairy 27 May 2014 05: 30
    0
    Poroshenko has the advantage that he is not directly involved in the bloody actions of the Turchinov-Avakov-Nalivaichenko team. He still has a chance to maneuver.
    Well, he’s still ahead, he’ll mess up yet. Let him drive the loot for gas and outlaw the right-wingers, then there will be a dialogue ...
  15. Everest2014
    Everest2014 27 May 2014 05: 33
    0
    Quote: NOLF
    "politics is the most concentrated expression of economics ..." (Lenin V. I., Polnoye soborny soch., 5th ed., vol. 42, p. 278)


    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye wink
    Vladimir Putin: Parashenko, where is the money?) 23.05.14/XNUMX/XNUMX
  16. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 27 May 2014 05: 39
    +5
    Merkel asked Putin to recognize the elections in Ukraine. Like, this will solve the situation ...
    Putin responded positively to this request.

    Now Putin has the FULL right to ask Merkel to help solve problems in Ukraine:
    - payment of debts
    - stop the military operation in Ukraine
    - Recognize the right of Donetsk and Lugansk to independence !!!

    Obviously, Merkel will not cope with this task of Putin.

    With this POWERFULness, Merkel will prove that her request did not solve the problem.
    That Europe and the USA have no power to influence the situation in Ukraine
    And with this they finally untie the hands of Russia and Putin
    hi
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 27 May 2014 07: 04
      +6
      The opinion is credible, but Merkel will simply close her ears to Putin’s proposals. When Russia makes concessions for them - this is positive; When Russia asks for concessions from Them - this is not democratic.
  17. lis-ik
    lis-ik 27 May 2014 05: 52
    0
    Quote: Al_lexx
    Only just passed the elections of the European Parliament, with quite interesting results. Elections in the EU countries will come soon, with even more interesting results. Moscow, too, was built on one day

    I absolutely agree with this common sense, in a fever many forget that gradually the political alignment is changing in Russia's favor.
  18. urii
    urii 27 May 2014 06: 04
    0
    new video.interview by Igor Strelkov for May 26.05 http://malorossia.info/eastern-ruthenia/230-intervyu-strelkov.html
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 06: 07
    0
    In short, they changed the awl to soap ...
  20. Arkan
    Arkan 27 May 2014 06: 19
    0
    The minimum program for GDP is to shake out current debts from Urkaines of approximately 3,5 billion candy wrappers. Then you need to shake off them almost two tens of billions of dollars, this is the maximum program. This is all finances, and Russia's geopolitical interests will be decided after or in parallel. You cannot continue to allow a similar situation with debts. Abrupt movements of the RF Armed Forces are not yet needed.
    1. VAF
      VAF 27 May 2014 13: 42
      0
      Quote: Arkan
      Minimum program for GDP,


      For him, this is an impossible program (according to the terms of the Contract, all debts 2 are eliminated only through the International Arbitration. Which .. for 1000% recognizes something and decides to return the debts within 1000 years) wassat

      Quote: Arkan
      this shake out current debts from the Urkaines of approximately 3,5 billion candy wrappers.


      In 5 days, the current debts will already amount to 5 lard and more than 100 lamas (this is without Vovin's "gifts") why are you the month of May, ie. deliveries in the month of May do not count ????
      Vovino famous - the 2nd would ask you not to enter "." They have a difficult situation "," .. let's wait ", etc. wink
  21. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 27 May 2014 06: 23
    0
    Gentlemen from Kiev bit a bit and rushed with all their urine to the edge, if Poroshenko did not stop the anti-terrorist operation, the situation could change dramatically and go into a full-blown civil war.
    1. VAF
      VAF 27 May 2014 13: 46
      0
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      if Poroshenko does not stop the anti-terrorist operation, the situation may change dramatically


      This will never happen. In this case, the Americans are left without the Donbass shale gas field and the future "bodyagi" to push Crimea back !!! soldier
  22. MAIGOR
    MAIGOR 27 May 2014 06: 25
    +1
    Nothing will change from the fact that American puppeteers changed one puppet to another. Anti-Russian and anti-Russian policies will continue. Bandera punitive operation in Novorossia will be carried out even more severely. If before ukroarmiya sabotaged orders
    Turchinov and his gang, now with the appearance of a legitimate prezik it will be more difficult to do this. Only mercenaries, oligarchs' money, or Western "aid" in the form of loans will not help the Outskirts.
    "Ukraine will die quickly and painfully" A. Wasserman 28.11.13.
  23. Dbnfkmtdbx
    Dbnfkmtdbx 27 May 2014 06: 53
    0
    fool Putin is beautiful, but to hell with them, even though Klitschko’s brains are chosen, they’ve settled down and it seems that not only us but Amerikosov have already begun to get the last too soon they will understand that it’s not fat
  24. sv68
    sv68 27 May 2014 07: 40
    +3
    recognition of a pair of Schenkans as a presidential means that Russia agrees with the political genocide of the southeast. Question is, what kind of shaitan is Yakunovich sitting in our country? I bought a house in the suburbs and shit on a hut from the edge of Ukraine. If there are no sharp statements from the Kremlin in the next maximum week ukroiny’s politics, then this automatically means betrayal of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics. You can help in different ways. But you should recognize a bastard who shouted earlier that he would flood the opposition with blood-betrayal. Do not send troops there, but supposedly destroy two tanks and a company of sau this in my opinion is real help. let's go, the fifth column is minus!
  25. Strashila
    Strashila 27 May 2014 08: 09
    +1
    Zyz-president was elected ... he was appointed responsible for the collapse of Ukraine ... he must make this process irrevocable ... guaranteed.
    Now it’s summer ... warm, kitchen gardens ... in the fall, when it becomes reality to freeze in the winter of 2015 ... he will quietly dump ... for health reasons or recognizes the correctness of the people's demand, he will not even hold on to power and will not do visibility.
    Then Ukraine will know what chaos is.
  26. tracker
    tracker 27 May 2014 08: 28
    0
    Putin is on his own mind, has already begun to give back on the gas program, such as though they give at least some money, but we will not turn off the gas, they rule the money, and big ones do wonders. Already and the southeast are ready to pass. Surely the oligarchs and the fifth column sang into the ears of the GDP that if the Donbass nationalizes enterprises, then in Russia the people will look and will also raise buch ... In the near future, Putin’s position on this issue will be visible for two weeks, especially after negotiations with Poroshenko, and possibly they were already and the onslaught on Novorossia has already intensified, because ours made it clear that they would not strongly oppose the ATO in the southeast. God grant that this is not so.
  27. pensioner
    pensioner 27 May 2014 08: 34
    +1
    Quote: everest2014
    2,5 billion for gas Ukraine agreed to pay

    Of these, 2 billion for debt (we keep 1,5 billion in mind) and 500 lyam - definitely an advance payment due to June deliveries. Then negotiations on the price. If Russia and Ukraine agree (we can only talk about discounts and in no case a change in the Contract), then the schedule of current payments is made taking into account the remaining debt. As I understand it, Miller’s statement on this subject.
    1. VAF
      VAF 27 May 2014 13: 53
      0
      Quote: retired
      Of these, 2 billion in debt


      This is for March!

      Quote: retired
      (Keep 1,5 billion in mind)


      This is for April. Although at a price of 485 there should be 1 lard 604 lama wassat

      Quote: retired
      500 lyam - definitely an advance payment due to June deliveries.


      I heard the same thing (the month of May fell somewhere).

      But this is all Gazprom's "deflection". Although why Gazprom's lol , oh yeah. For us, Stouretkin appointed himself and all the reforms .. "carried out" wassat

      But the "deflection" did not work out eggshells along with the ministry of finance were sent dill (without quotes), and they sent it normally, in principle, this is how it should be done with tolerasts .... "forest" !!! wassat
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 27 May 2014 16: 40
        0
        Quote: vaf
        But the "deflection" did not work

        And he should have succeeded?
        An old Geyropa tried, the old bones do not tolerate cold and damp, and Uncle Sam is absolutely not interested in the supply of energy from Russia. He needs to attach his own!
        I can even assume that if the GDP agreed to the proposal to lend money and receive payment from them, then they would take the money, but they would hardly pay! More precisely, they certainly wouldn’t; Uncle Sam wouldn’t allow it!
        Personal account for GDP?
  28. mackonya
    mackonya 27 May 2014 09: 14
    0
    Well, they chose a new president, supposedly legitimate, his hands were supposedly not covered in blood. Only he, like Turchinov and Nalyvaichenko, dives into the "bloody pool" filled with the victims of the Punitive Operation. Therefore, I propose to hold another election this fall, Ukraine needs the most "legitimate" president, without blood on his hands.
  29. Agent 008
    Agent 008 27 May 2014 17: 15
    +3
    It seems that some do not understand where this is going! Today, a representative of the armed forces of Ukraine said: "The operation will go on until the COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF THE DONBASS REINFORCEMENT!" If someone does not understand what this is about, I will tell you: there is a war of destruction, and sooner or later the security forces of Ukraine will suppress the resistance of Donbass, they have a clear advantage in weapons and in people ... Explain to me, unreasonable, what exactly is the help Russia, I personally do not see it at close range ...
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 27 May 2014 18: 38
      -1
      Quote: Agent 008
      Explain to me, unreasonable, what exactly is Russia's assistance

      That she is!
      Quote: Agent 008
      I personally do not see her point blank yet ...

      Are you there to see?
      1. VAF
        VAF 27 May 2014 20: 58
        +1
        Quote: Cynic
        That she is!


        Yes Yes.. lol as in a joke about a gopher wassat
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 08: 12
          0
          Quote: vaf
          as in a joke about a gopher

          In which ?
          There are a lot of them and you are clearly not about _
          If you do not see the gopher, this does not mean that he is not there.

          More likely topical joke _
          Cat caught a mouse and asks:
          - Do you want to live?
          Mouse with frightened eyes:
          - With whom?
          - Ugh .... slut, already hungry!

          That's it .
          hi

          Do not try to seem witty, you need to be one.
          wink
  30. Maniagk
    Maniagk 28 May 2014 15: 53
    0
    +2
    Quote: Al_lexx
    Quote: BYV
    Quote: mig31
    I do not see or hear real help

    Do you seriously believe that a handful of untrained and poorly armed militia would be able to withstand almost the entire dill army? And still inflict heavy losses on them, knock them out of previously occupied territories? I am more than sure that we are providing assistance to New Russia. In the same way as I have no doubt that the GDP will not abandon them. Because if you do not believe in it, then what then can you believe in general?

    +1