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The fate of Novorossia: several scenarios for the development of the civil war in Ukraine

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The challenges facing the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics are accepted. The viability of the established Federal Republic of New Russia (NEF) will largely depend precisely on the speed, and most importantly, the success of state-building.


Protect from chaos - create a state

In Ukraine, as a result of the coup d'état, as we have repeatedly written, the state was dismantled. Now all the lands of Ukraine, except Crimea, are a territory without a state with its inherent attributes in the form of tax, pension, law enforcement, health and other systems.

In the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics, the situation is further aggravated by the fact that referendums took place. The popular will, embodied in the vote, transforms the power from regional to local. In other words, “anarchy” (if we consider the situation through the Ukrainian focus) comes here much earlier.

The key goal for the republics is to ensure security. Everything else in the conditions of external aggression and rampant criminality fades into the background. And, realizing the challenges, the leadership of the republics began the process of state-building.

Establishment of government bodies

By virtue of a better organization and greater threat to security, the process of creating government bodies proved to be more successful on the territory of the DPR. So, in the first week after the referendum, the DPR developed a constitution and created:

1. Supreme Council consisting of 150 deputies;

2. National Security Council;

3. Cabinet of Ministers;

4. Ministry.

In Lugansk, there is still no clear success in building bodies that are beyond the control of the Kiev authorities. Everything so far boils down to attempts to pacify the criminals and attract business executives to their side. Part of the reason for this was the very nature of the uprising in the region: the liberation movement began from below, without coordination with local politicians who understood the principles of functioning of state bodies. Thus, in a bunch of DNR and LC, components of NGF, Lugansk is in the position of a slave subject.

Key tasks (besides the merging process) are:

1. Creating a full-fledged army to confront Kiev;

2. Resuscitation of law enforcement agencies, their reinforcement by militias and the fight against criminality;

3. Clearing of new authorities from politicians and officials loyal to the oligarchy;

4. Elimination of contradictions between the LC and the DPR, as well as their representatives;

5. The nationalization of the assets of the oligarchs and the reversal of budget flows in the direction of Donetsk and Lugansk.

There is no need to speak about any full-fledged work of the Donetsk Ministry of Education or the creation of an analogue of a pension fund: there is simply no money, personnel or time for their operation.

In addition, the situation is aggravated by the leadership of the republics to veche democracy: the decision to reassign checkpoints on the border of the DPR with the Russian Federation was taken at a rally, similarly, the decision was made in the LPR to appoint its head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This decision-making method was relevant with a lack of legitimacy before the referendum. Now decisions need to be made quickly and clearly, without waiting for popular approval on Sundays.

And if personnel issues are still somehow solved, then the situation with the model of the economy in the republics is much more complicated and ambiguous.

Recognizes or does not recognize: that is the question

The possibility of building an economy independent of Kiev on the basis of the DPR and the LPR directly depends on Russia's recognition of these state entities. The recognition in this case is identical to the opening of the Russian market for products from the Donbass.

Thus, there are two scenarios for the development of the NGF economy.

Scenario number 1: Recognition from Russia. In this case, the Russian Federation opens its markets and agrees to buy Donbass goods. Consequently, you have to either create your own currency, since Kiev will leave the Donbass without the hryvnia, or introduce the Russian ruble into circulation, and then rebuild its tax and customs system, attracting Russian managers. Businesses will be nationalized. There will be an acute question of personnel: most of the enterprises of Donbass somehow belong to the oligarchs, and they are managed by hired managers. When nationalization (and it can not be avoided http://www.scm.com.ua/media-centre/news/view/1546/) enterprises, these frames will leave workplaces. We will have to find new markets and establish cooperation ties with alternative, not Ukrainian, suppliers of raw materials and goods.

Scenario number 2: No recognition - no market and economy. There is no personnel to create a at least functioning state in the absence of support from Russia. The task is too large-scale, and they do not teach the state-building in any of the Ukrainian universities, moreover, few officials have similar skills.

In the meantime, the Russian Federation has limited itself with a simple statement of the fact of a successful referendum. To recognize the DNI and the LC - means to plunge into the maelstrom of the problems that followed after the recognition. First, Russia finds itself embroiled in a civil war in Ukraine and, if not taking responsibility for the activities of the militia, will be forced to respond to the accusations of the West in support of the NEF. The West will receive an excellent chance to accuse Russia of all mortal sins, up to and including support for terrorism. Our opponent will not miss this chance. Therefore, I believe, there will be no recognition. There will be no economy in the Donbass, which means ...

War to the bitter end

The economy of Donbass will die, however, as the economy of Ukraine. Miners will no longer have to negotiate with the administration of mines to raise wages, as production stops. A similar situation will be in all areas of the economy. Whether it will happen for internal reasons or Kiev will declare a default after the elections is not the point. It is important that the militia under the command of Strelkova will get a lot of new fighters with this kind of development of events, who will have no option but a front-line war for a better future.

Food and fuel stocks in the Donbass will quickly run out, and the problem of a humanitarian catastrophe will arise to its full height. However, it may not reach it if there are “windows” in the border through which all the necessary supplies go.

In this case, the civil war in Ukraine remains a problem for the residents of Ukraine itself, and, of course, the neighboring states. In Eastern Europe, Somalia is the size of 600 per 900 km, in which the contours of the future world order will be determined.

And the citizens of Ukraine have to undergo a course of cure from indifference to their future and plunge into the abyss of chaos.
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  1. saag
    saag 27 May 2014 18: 48
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    Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for
    1. Stalker
      Stalker 27 May 2014 18: 51
      +20
      People who want to work quietly are always in demand !!!!
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    3. kocclissi
      kocclissi 27 May 2014 19: 04
      +6
      Quote: saag
      Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for

      And what else, fight? What has not yet been stolen and seized?
      1. saag
        saag 27 May 2014 19: 06
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        for gas money
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 27 May 2014 20: 36
          +9
          Quote: saag
          for gas money

          How much is that money?
          Yes, three billion was given to Ukraine to support the pants for no reason.
          Under doubtful debt obligations.
          In the gas issue, the main thing is not the price at all, but the rules of the game, which no one, apart from the square, does not violate.
          And as for the people, the salvation of the drowning ... How do you know next?
          Although help is needed and possible, and much has been done already.
          Prikordonniki screech: either the convoy with weapons passed through the Tarutino ditch, supposedly they fought for a long time, but could not resist, then forty robbers, i.e., it’s guilty, forty Kamazs and robbers, they discovered, then Zhirinovsky sent the Tiger.
          MANPADS and bassoons the same, do not grow on a tree.
          Yes, and Strelkov, and Cossacks to help the Donbass were not sent from Kiev at all.
          1. saag
            saag 27 May 2014 20: 42
            0
            hydrocarbons at the present time are the basis, getting money for them is the main goal, you can drag small arms through the cord as much as you like, even anti-tank systems, aviation with heavy weapons, it will not replace it, it will maintain the state of conflict, but will not eliminate it
        2. Sterlya
          Sterlya 27 May 2014 20: 55
          +36
          I still do not understand anything, if Kiev crushes Novorossiya, it will also be a complete Arctic fox. I think even the patriotism that rose in Russia after the Crimea will go out. My personal opinion.
          Mattresses will laugh at Russia, along with the gay men. For them, this will be a signal that Russia is still weak, and if you don’t wipe your feet, then something is easier, completely (my personal opinion)
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          2. Stalker
            Stalker 27 May 2014 21: 29
            +15
            if Kiev crushes Novorossia, it will also be a complete Arctic fox.

            Fresh joke: Putin said that Ukraine incorrectly withdrew from the USSR! the former republics tensed and at the Baltic states anurez began at night !!!!
            1. VNP1958PVN
              VNP1958PVN 28 May 2014 03: 38
              +1
              Anuresis is through the anus, or what? wassat
              1. Stalker
                Stalker 28 May 2014 16: 41
                0
                Anuresis is through the anus, or what?

                .. urinary incontinence in a dream ....
              2. Stalker
                Stalker 28 May 2014 16: 41
                0
                Anuresis is through the anus, or what?

                .. urinary incontinence in a dream ....
          3. istomin36
            istomin36 28 May 2014 00: 21
            +3
            23-27, There was information that the names of the pilots involved in the punitive operation over Donetsk were identified. Pilots from left to right: Alexander Grab, Alexey Vlasenko, Sergey Yalyshev, Stepan Chobanu, Yuri Krishtal, Alexander Oksanchenko, Andrey Shevchenko. Mirgorod brigade. During the Crimea they were at Belbek. They then marched "don't shoot, we're on the air."
            http://www.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/voina-na-yugo-vostoke-onlain-27-05-201
            4-1054.html
            1. Kilo-11
              Kilo-11 28 May 2014 00: 56
              +2
              So the fascist Mamchur did the same there, if not in the air, then he definitely controlled the Mirgorod brigade! The honorary name of the SS squadron "German Goering" is the Mirgorod brigade. They are no longer SS soldiers!
          4. VNP1958PVN
            VNP1958PVN 28 May 2014 03: 36
            0
            It seems to me that this is already a ripening general opinion
      2. stappler
        stappler 27 May 2014 20: 45
        +5
        they all leaked for a long time what to say, we even cannot live without a master card, not to mention high-tech goods ...
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 00
          +2
          Another hohlotroll. We’re calculating you at times.
      3. sabakina
        sabakina 27 May 2014 21: 25
        +8
        Movie classic:
    4. Gorko
      Gorko 27 May 2014 19: 11
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      Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for

      I agree, there are too many dreamers and visionaries per square meter (m²)

      I think that the days of the DPR and LPR are numbered, this does not mean that everything will be simple, but the result is one, there are several reasons to think so: 1 Russia initially did not need the South-East and today Russia, it has made it clear, and more than once "Crimea another case. " 2 Lukashenko also sharply criticized the DPR and LPR. 3 If at the beginning of the protest moods, part of the people of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, having seen the example of Crimea, supported the separatists, today the situation has changed very much and people are already asking the question: who are these people with weapons and we need them, given that Russia made it clear that Russia has plans no and never was to the South-East.

      As for the Crimea: in Crimea, Russia has no second such bases on the Black Sea, plus Crimea is a peninsula and has limited access from the mainland, also in the Crimea, the shale shelf, although not a big plus, but still, it’s purely economic and strategic interests.
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 27 May 2014 19: 18
        +12
        I think that the days of the DNI and LC are numbered


        laughing lol good fool ... Well, they made laugh ... a new joke ??

        The brain explosion of European human rights activists and Obama's split personality:
        The village of Shepetivka held a referendum on secession from Ukraine, joining NATO and joining Belgium.
      3. supertiger21
        supertiger21 27 May 2014 19: 29
        +10
        Quote: GORKO
        I think that the days of the DNI and LC are numbered


        fool Arguments in the studio!

        Quote: GORKO
        Russia initially did not need the South-East


        You are talking about joining, and so far it is only about independence and sovereignty. And if Putin is silent, this does not mean that he has no plans, remember the same Crimea.

        Quote: GORKO
        supported the separatists


        Whom do you mean by "separatists" or are you also struck by the "maydaun" ?!

        Quote: GORKO
        that Russia made clear that Russia had no plans and did not have any plans for the South-East.


        How did Crimea become part of Russia, don’t you remember? In the beginning, Putin was silent and pretended not to notice anything, but a sharp tricky jerk led to success. Approximately the same campaign is now in the south-east of Ukraine.
        1. Gorko
          Gorko 27 May 2014 19: 58
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          Arguments in the studio!

          Firstly, for Russia this is a hotbed of tension, Russia is not needed at hand, a not-recognized republic with militants from the Caucasus and Russia, many of which are on the federal wanted list in Russia. in Economic terms, the DPR and LPR would die in front of our eyes, since these are highly subsidized regions. More impoverished than it was in Ukraine, with criminals at the head, a state not recognized by anyone, Russia does not need it at hand.

          You are talking about joining, and so far it is only about independence and sovereignty. And if Putin is silent, this does not mean that he has no plans, remember the same Crimea.


          I simply dispelled the dreams of the "Ykspertov" dreamers about joining Russia.

          Whom do you mean by "separatists" or are you also struck by the "maydaun" ?!


          Did cotton strike you?

          How did Crimea become part of Russia, don’t you remember? In the beginning, Putin was silent and pretended not to notice anything, but a sharp tricky jerk led to success. Approximately the same campaign is now in the south-east of Ukraine.


          Putin has already made it clear 10 times that he will cooperate with Paroshenko, and the Zombo-channels "First, Russia 1,2,24, NTV" all cannot calm down. The logic is clear, the electorate does not need to delve into the problems, let them think that there are "Fafists" everywhere.

          Once again, I say in the Ukrainian conflict that the authorities in Kiev are to blame for the fact that they were inactive for a long time and allowed people to arm themselves, and then they carried out ATO crookedly with the victims and did not respond to gangs acting on behalf of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as well as separatists, including many criminals and fraudsters There are people who are not dirty, but whatever you say, these are illegal gangs and tomorrow they can start fighting against Russia, which did not support them. The militants simply realized that they would not be taken to Russia and now they’re either going to prison or fighting, but they obviously don’t want to go to jail.
          1. I do not care
            I do not care 27 May 2014 20: 18
            +48
            Quote: GORKO
            the electorate has no reason to delve into the problems, let them think that there are "Fafists" everywhere.

            An acquaintance wrote from Germany. Next to him lives an old-old German grandfather, well over 90, but with a clear mind and still youthful curiosity. Grandpa fought in the SS-Panzer-Division. After the war he served in prison for "exploits" under Hitler. But he re-educated himself. And he is very ashamed of the "exploits" of youth. Recently he has been asking my friend about the events in Ukraine. Yesterday they had a dialogue. Grandpa asked what the current situation was in Ukraine. An acquaintance of mine told me about the missile and bomb attacks on Sloviansk and Donetsk, about the shelling of the sleeping areas of Sloviansk with howitzers. The German grandfather chewed his lips, thought and said: "You know, we did terrible things. We made a lot of mistakes. But we never bombed our own cities."

            you, sir, are inadequate ....
            1. ksv1973
              ksv1973 27 May 2014 20: 55
              +10
              Quote: me by
              "

              you, sir, are inadequate ....

              He is not inadequate - he is a fascist.
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            3. VAF
              VAF 27 May 2014 21: 19
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              Quote: me by
              But we never bombed our own cities. "


              Did you get "education" according to the EG? wassat Try to "study" the history of the USSR and "modern Russia" again.

              And then you, like Psaki ..... "own opinion" wassat

              And the "conclusion" at the expense of inadequacy is generally psaki.nuland and ashton ... taken together wassat
            4. Gorko
              Gorko 27 May 2014 22: 16
              -5
              An acquaintance wrote from Germany. Next to him lives an old-old German grandfather, well over 90, but with a clear mind and still youthful curiosity. Grandpa fought in the SS-Panzer-Division. After the war he served in prison for "exploits" under Hitler. But he re-educated himself. And he is very ashamed of the "exploits" of youth. Recently he has been asking my friend about the events in Ukraine. Yesterday they had a dialogue. Grandpa asked what the current situation was in Ukraine. An acquaintance of mine told me about the missile and bomb attacks on Sloviansk and Donetsk, about the shelling of the sleeping areas of Sloviansk with howitzers. The German grandfather chewed his lips, thought and said: "You know, we did terrible things. We made a lot of mistakes. But we never bombed our own cities."

              you, sir, are inadequate ....


              Remember Russia in 1995.
              1. fleks
                fleks 27 May 2014 22: 41
                +1
                my version of this is in Chechnya in 1995, people of different nationalities fought and in Ukraine one of them is Russian and Russian, which is much worse and more offensive
              2. Penzyac
                Penzyac 28 May 2014 02: 05
                +2
                Quote: GORKO

                Remember Russia in 1995.

                In 1995, we had the same pro-American puppet power as it is now in Kiev, but it was not so Nazi in ideology, and accordingly, it also used American methods.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 27 May 2014 20: 45
            +16
            Quote: GORKO
            In economic terms, the DPR and LPR would die before our eyes, since these are highly subsidized regions.

            Yes, it looks like a mishandled Cossack. From Nenko to the Urals.
            To explain to such a person is useless due to the power of his Big mind.
            But still, if Donbass is so "heavily subsidized", then why does the main billionaire Akhmetov graze there?
            Guess three times.
            And who subsidizes the Donbass? Kiev, Lviv? Where besides Banderlozh slogans nothing is produced.
            True, they can collect pennies from that Donbass.
            And as for the future of Donbass, how they will stand, such and the future.
            1. Gorko
              Gorko 27 May 2014 22: 27
              -4
              Yes, it looks like a mishandled Cossack. From Nenko to the Urals.


              Do not worry "sir" I am already in the Urals.
              1. biznaw
                biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 05
                +5
                GORKO Don't need a lala. You are the next daughter of an officer from Sevastopol ...
                Although it may not be another but the same from the base in Bahrain.
              2. Penzyac
                Penzyac 28 May 2014 02: 09
                0
                Quote: GORKO
                Yes, it looks like a mishandled Cossack. From Nenko to the Urals.


                Do not worry "sir" I am already in the Urals.

                From swamp office hamsters or what?
                Another "Makarevich" am
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          4. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 00
            0
            Dear, are you okay with your hearing? I can tell you the address of a good clinic, if that.
          5. GradusHuK
            GradusHuK 27 May 2014 21: 54
            +3
            And the National Guard is a legitimate gang formation? And the US-appointed prez PORAShenko too?
          6. Belarus
            Belarus 27 May 2014 23: 36
            0
            I look at you verbal diarrhea has gone. You live apparently like a mouse under a broom or my hut on the edge. When someone with a weapon comes to your house do not call anyone for help but ........ they are alone fie on you
          7. Kilo-11
            Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 02
            0
            Somewhere you are right, but somewhere not. In general, you have porridge in your head.
          8. Penzyac
            Penzyac 28 May 2014 01: 52
            0
            1) You GORKO should remember that all of Kiev’s power itself is not a legitimate gang formation, regardless of its recognition by the Washington masters.
            2) In general, everything that happens on the territory of Ukraine, starting with the armed coup on 22.02.14 is not legally legal and unconstitutional, regardless of your or someone else’s opinion, including Washington or Brussels.
            3) You probably prefer to watch Ukrainian zombie channels, or you work on one of them, you can call Russian channels whatever you like, but in terms of "zombo" they are as far as the Ukrovskie ones on foot.
            In total, before trying to troll on this forum, stock up with irrefutable arguments and not sucked from the finger arguments and facts and forget about the terminology adopted by Kiev pro-American collaborators.
        2. lg41
          lg41 27 May 2014 20: 02
          +8
          Informboeets gorko - not a product of Maidan, but one of its creators
        3. saag
          saag 27 May 2014 21: 22
          +3
          And Putin, when he spoke after his silence, he said that he had no plans for the annexation of Crimea, does that mean anything to you?
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 28 May 2014 02: 14
            0
            Quote: saag
            And Putin, when he spoke after his silence, he said that he had no plans for the annexation of Crimea, does that mean anything to you?

            Don't you believe that?
            Maybe at first they really weren't there, and then suddenly they suddenly appeared.
            1. saag
              saag 28 May 2014 06: 18
              0
              I believe, as well as the fact that in this case, Putin was satisfied with Ukraine and Yanukovych, because he paid for gas at the very least, in general, the fate of people in the Crimea before that was not relevant for him, the main thing is that NATO did not enter into paying for gas okay
        4. Sanglier
          Sanglier 28 May 2014 10: 39
          0
          It is necessary to repeat the landing assault on the Kosovo airfield. But ... do not leave later !!!
        5. alauda1038
          alauda1038 28 May 2014 11: 20
          0
          hurry up slowly the ancient Greeks said Southeast Ukraine Russia needs it there or rather the industrial resource remained Ukrainian military-industrial complex is also the Southeast human resource is also not small so there is something to fight for; the main thing is not to spoil the choice of the best time and place for that husband has already been voiced Russia does not guarantee the integrity of Ukraine
      4. Maximus13
        Maximus13 27 May 2014 19: 36
        +3
        I agree. I will add that in Crimea, the support of the population was an order of magnitude higher. On the South-East, they prefer to sit out at home, expecting someone to come and ruin everything ...
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 19: 52
          +13
          Golem nonsense! In Crimea, Russia did ALL for Crimeans. In Donbass-SAMI people with their blood and at their own expense
          1. anfil
            anfil 27 May 2014 20: 31
            +9
            Do not downplay the actions and participation of Crimea.
            There, the local authorities immediately assumed responsibility for the secession of Crimea. On January 22, at an extraordinary session of the Crimean parliament, the deputies adopted a statement “On the political situation”.
            Look at the chronology of events - link:http://oncrimea.ru/ru/static/chronicle-crimea.html


            And what is happening in the southeast of Ukraine, the corrupt Paria of the Regions, everyone ran like rats. The article says that the liberation movement began from the bottom.

            Partly the reason for this was the very nature of the uprising in the region: the liberation movement began from below, without coordination with local politicians, understanding the principles of functioning of public authorities.
            1. Aleksandr65
              Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 46
              +2
              This is probably why the Tatars dispersed the Russian rally and the deputies fled in fright. And they returned only when the Supreme Council was occupied by "polite"
              1. Poldol
                Poldol 27 May 2014 22: 37
                +1
                Quote: Aleksandr65
                This is probably why the Tatars dispersed the Russian rally and the deputies fled in fright. And they returned only when the Supreme Council was occupied by "polite"

                Another nonsense KhokhloSMI.
              2. Nick
                Nick 27 May 2014 22: 49
                +1
                Quote: Aleksandr65
                This is probably why the Tatars dispersed the Russian rally

                Lies ...
          2. zzz
            zzz 27 May 2014 21: 16
            +6
            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Golem nonsense! In Crimea, Russia did ALL for Crimeans. In Donbass-SAMI people with their blood and at their own expense


            I fully support. Relatives both here and there, the difference is in everything. Some are more fortunate. Putin took what is strategically more important. IMHO.
            1. zzz
              zzz 27 May 2014 21: 59
              +5


              Published: May 27 2014
              The leader of the Donbass People’s Militia called on everyone to defend the Republic.
          3. Poldol
            Poldol 27 May 2014 22: 35
            +7
            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Golem nonsense! In Crimea, Russia did ALL for Crimeans. In Donbass-SAMI people with their blood and at their own expense

            Are you sure? Are you telling us, Sevastopolites? Write to Petrosyan.
        2. stappler
          stappler 27 May 2014 21: 04
          +18
          - You turn, firstly, Crimea was autonomy, there was parliament, there was a Russian party, in the literal sense of the word, on which you could rely,
          mass of non-working population, lack of industry and lack of oligarchy,
          in the Donbas there is all this or not or vice versa, and all this plays a key role.
          and without the polite there wouldn’t be anything, they would crush the people of Crimea just like they were crushing in Donetsk, unfortunately, the main patriot of the Donbass went with Kiev and not with the people, although he screamed all his life that he was a patriot of Donbass, but at a critical moment people easily and naturally .... for some reason began to dislike FC Shakhtar
        3. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 05: 31
          +2
          Quote: Maximus13
          .On Yu-V, they prefer to sit out at home, expecting someone to come and ruin everything ...

          "Clever"! And who goes into battle against the army, national guards, tanks, artillery, aviation? Lord! How many zasrancev on this site are crazy and crazy!
          1. Elle-elle
            Elle-elle 28 May 2014 09: 56
            +1
            Also, the position is outraged that, they say, everyone sits and sits on Yu_V! Damn, did you see how many people there are dying militias? Yesterday only showed the morgue of Slavyansk - there are literally militia guys lying in piles! Where are they all ????? Yesterday, there was also a report in the report, a lot of local volunteers came to the military enlistment office, and now every second man is in the militia! And you all are outraged - everyone is sitting and waiting for Russia to save them, repeat the same thing! It’s a shame already, after so many victims, to talk like that about people who have shown themselves to be heroes.
      5. lg41
        lg41 27 May 2014 19: 58
        +5
        Weaklings logged in "gorko" in depth
        Weak material
      6. WKS
        WKS 27 May 2014 20: 03
        +6
        Quote: GORKO
        And the citizens of Ukraine have to undergo a course of cure from indifference to their future and plunge into the abyss of chaos.

        In general, forecasts are not grateful. Man assumes, but God disposes.
        1. Gorko
          Gorko 27 May 2014 20: 46
          -6
          And the citizens of Ukraine have to undergo a course of cure from indifference to their future and plunge into the abyss of chaos.


          These are not my words and not my speech style at all! Why are you lying?
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 28 May 2014 02: 20
            0
            Quote: GORKO
            And the citizens of Ukraine have to undergo a course of cure from indifference to their future and plunge into the abyss of chaos.


            These are not my words and not my speech style at all! Why are you lying?

            True, this is the last paragraph of the article. Could they themselves clarify, just claim to be argumentative.
      7. stappler
        stappler 27 May 2014 20: 52
        +1
        it’s all so ... it means you don’t have to bay and remember the great Suvorov and his invincible armies, because it was he who recaptured those lands under him and settled them under Katya,
        shuffle beautifully - they will give you 3 yards, but they’ll give all the brains out, and then they will take them out to the Crimea and it will not be Saakashvili yapping, they will bask bark ... Crimea will be ours only when it is in the rear from the mainland.
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 27 May 2014 21: 13
          +9
          Quote: stappler
          Crimea will be ours only when it is in the rear from the mainland.

          This your idea, Stappler, I fully support. Someone else is hiding his head in the sand, not wanting to accept the fact that Russia will still have to enter the southeast of Ukraine and take it for itself, while spitting on the opinions of all its potential opponents. They have already "profiled" Crimea, thereby making it clear that they can do nothing against Russia except empty words.
          1. zzz
            zzz 27 May 2014 21: 40
            +6
            Quote: ksv1973
            Quote: stappler
            Crimea will be ours only when it is in the rear from the mainland.

            This your idea, Stappler, I fully support. Someone else is hiding his head in the sand, not wanting to accept the fact that Russia will still have to enter the southeast of Ukraine and take it for itself, while spitting on the opinions of all its potential opponents. They have already "profiled" Crimea, thereby making it clear that they can do nothing against Russia except empty words.


            I agree, and still have to pick up Odessa, leave them without going to sea!
            1. Nick
              Nick 27 May 2014 22: 54
              +1
              Quote: zzz
              still have to pick up Odessa, leave them without access to the sea!

              Stop trifling! And we will return New Russia and Ukraine ... The time will come.
            2. ksv1973
              ksv1973 27 May 2014 23: 04
              +2
              Quote: zzz
              Quote: ksv1973
              Quote: stappler
              Crimea will be ours only when it is in the rear from the mainland.

              This your idea, Stappler, I fully support. Someone else is hiding his head in the sand, not wanting to accept the fact that Russia will still have to enter the southeast of Ukraine and take it for itself, while spitting on the opinions of all its potential opponents. They have already "profiled" Crimea, thereby making it clear that they can do nothing against Russia except empty words.


              I agree, and still have to pick up Odessa, leave them without going to sea!

              Geographically, the concept of southeast includes both south and east. And Odessa, as you know, is located in the southern part of Ukraine, so I meant it. love
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          2. Nick
            Nick 27 May 2014 22: 52
            +2
            Quote: ksv1973
            Someone else is hiding his head in the sand, not wanting to accept that Russia will still have to enter the southeast

            Everything has its time...
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      8. kocclissi
        kocclissi 27 May 2014 21: 05
        +9
        Quote: GORKO
        I agree, there are too many dreamers and visionaries per square meter (m²)

        I think that the days of the DPR and LPR are numbered, this does not mean that everything will be simple, but the result is one, there are several reasons to think so: 1 Russia initially did not need the South-East and today Russia, it has made it clear, and more than once "Crimea another case. " 2 Lukashenko also sharply criticized the DPR and LPR. 3 If at the beginning of the protest moods, part of the people of Donetsk and Lugansk regions, having seen the example of Crimea, supported the separatists, today the situation has changed very much and people are already asking the question: who are these people with weapons and we need them, given that Russia made it clear that Russia has plans no and never was to the South-East.

        As for the Crimea: in Crimea, Russia has no second such bases on the Black Sea, plus Crimea is a peninsula and has limited access from the mainland, also in the Crimea, the shale shelf, although not a big plus, but still, it’s purely economic and strategic interests.

        This one hacked it so hacked! Aren't they calling you Jennifer case?
        1. Gorko
          Gorko 27 May 2014 22: 21
          .
          This one hacked it so hacked! Aren't they calling you Jennifer case?


          Don’t they call you Vata?
          1. biznaw
            biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 10
            +1
            Kill the keyboard in Bahrain, an ugly troll. angry
      9. Setrac
        Setrac 27 May 2014 21: 09
        +6
        Quote: GORKO
        given that Russia made it clear that Russia has no plans and did not have any plans for the South-East.

        Twenty-four minuses slammed you for not understanding simple things, Russia needs ALL of Ukraine, and not just part of it.
      10. Sinara70
        Sinara70 27 May 2014 22: 09
        0
        Unfortunately, I think .... that the author is right ....
        Vladimir Putin - he passed .........
        Everything was clear with Crimea ---- Russians - about 80 percent ....... Plus the Red Army and the Red Fleet in Crimea ......... !!!! - Green men !!!! !
        Muscovites!
        Tula!
        Kaluga !!!
        Vologodstkie !!!
        Russian boys!!!!!
        And through whom it would BE to be uplifting !!!
      11. Sinara70
        Sinara70 27 May 2014 22: 09
        +2
        Unfortunately, I think .... that the author is right ....
        Vladimir Putin - he passed .........
        Everything was clear with Crimea ---- Russians - about 80 percent ....... Plus the Red Army and the Red Fleet in Crimea ......... !!!! - Green men !!!! !
        Muscovites!
        Tula!
        Kaluga !!!
        Vologodstkie !!!
        Russian boys!!!!!
        And through whom it would BE to be uplifting !!!
      12. Poldol
        Poldol 27 May 2014 22: 29
        +2
        Don't be nonsense. And what is a "shale shelf" ?????????????????? crying
        1. Kilo-11
          Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 06
          0
          There is still oil and gas on the Crimean shelf, and experts say that it’s not enough.
      13. Belarus
        Belarus 27 May 2014 23: 32
        0
        Lukashenko, tv.b and shifter I hate him am
    5. Oml
      Oml 27 May 2014 19: 14
      +1
      And what do you know about RUSSIA, "CH" is an udak with the letter "M".
    6. Kristoff
      Kristoff 27 May 2014 19: 32
      +11
      And what are the minuses immediately set?
      Yesterday's events in Donetsk showed that Russia merged the DPR and LPR.
      There will be no real help, they swallowed Odessa, Mariupol, and we will swallow the massacres in Donetsk. Already so emboldened the National Guard and the Ukrovoi men that they began to use ground attack aircraft. I wonder if they start working in cities with Grads, will there be any reaction? In favor of the version that there will be no help, says the fact that all our politicians immediately shut up: Zhirinovsky, Mironov, Zyuganov, etc. As the situation in Crimea began, everyone immediately expressed "we need to help", "we need to act", immediately rallies, concerts in support of Crimea. Today, I see only the hum of our Foreign Ministry and other officers. persons (Sands, etc.). If anyone has other thoughts, please correct me.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 27 May 2014 19: 44
        -2
        Quote: KristOFF
        There will be no real help


        You can not guarantee!

        Quote: KristOFF
        In favor of the version that there will be no help, says the fact that all our politicians immediately shut up: Zhirinovsky, Mironov, Zyuganov, etc. As the situation in Crimea began, everyone immediately expressed "we need to help", "we need to act", immediately rallies, concerts in support of Crimea.


        You don’t understand, the West is only waiting for Russia to openly intervene in Ukrainian affairs. Putin knows what he is doing and will do without the advice of keyboard generals. It's clear that everything is classified.
        1. Aleksandr65
          Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 03
          .
          Neither XP.ENA PUTIN knows what to do! Betrayed the Russian people for the gas oligarchic loot. Gave hope to the Donetsk and betrayed! For me, he is now not a resident. And let him swamp Sweep (and I’ll go) and let him be sent to The Hague for crimes, it’s not a pity!
          - "We are responsible for those whom we have tamed" - A. Saint-Exupery "The Little Prince")
          1. Roman Skomorokhov
            Roman Skomorokhov 27 May 2014 20: 16
            +12
            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Neither XP.ENA PUTIN knows what to do!


            For such a conclusion, you must at least be Peskov.

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Betrayed the Russian people for the gas oligarchic loot.


            How would it be our gas. With his sale, pensions are paid and so on. From the budget.

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Gave hope to the Donetsk and betrayed!


            How and when? Something I don’t remember when it was what he promised.

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            For me, he is now not a resident. And let him swamp Sweep (and I’ll go) and let him be sent to The Hague for crimes, it’s not a pity!


            And do not hope. Do not sweep. We’ll trample this your swamp trash.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 06: 16
              +1
              Quote: Banshee
              And do not hope. Do not sweep. We’ll trample this your swamp trash.

              So, then, will you be ready to "kiss with passion" Putin, when it finally turns out that he "passed" the South-East? When Poroshenko drenches Lugansk and Donetsk regions with blood and comes to Moscow to sign interstate agreements (and there will be an honor guard; anthems of the Russian Federation and Ukraine; state flags of the Russian Federation and Ukraine; handshakes ...) will you see the blood of Donetsk and Luhansk people on the flag of Ukraine and on the hands of Poroshenko and Putin? Will you remember the wounded militias who were shot in a KAMAZ? How will you then relate to the phrase "Russians don't abandon their own." ?
          2. rapid1934
            rapid1934 27 May 2014 20: 27
            +9
            Stop hysteria. Freedom is conquered by blood. By their blood and not the blood of the troops of a neighboring state. Not so unequivocally in the southeast of Dill. Too many ill-conceived populist actions by the leaders of the DPR and LPR.
            Assistance should be humanitarian and unofficial volunteers, weapons, medicines, food, etc.
            1. Aleksandr65
              Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 51
              -1
              There is no such help, neither weapons, nor humanitarian aid. And at the border, OUR border guards do not let volunteers, help, not to mention weapons (neighboring branch). Is this not bestiality ?! or approve, just Putin?
            2. stappler
              stappler 27 May 2014 21: 14
              +2
              yes, but where is it at least ... that it’s hard to break through the outfit in a column, you need at least shilka ...
              1. Escander_84
                Escander_84 27 May 2014 23: 26
                +3
                And what are you going to catch with "Shilkoy" ??? Drying ... you can get tired. And the turntables are already pouring, as if from a cornucopia. The current, if like a fire, on the ground, and even then not the best option. With the equipment ... well, I don’t know (I can only judge by the photo), but the presence of Kalimators on Kalash, “Fagots” (possibly old, from BMD ammunition, but available) , MANPADS (12 thousand Euro per shot) , ammunition for "Nona" and 82mm (in such quantities), AGS 17, "UTYOSY" .... Even if I chatted to the swami! I think you are able to comprehend the conclusions ...
            3. ksv1973
              ksv1973 27 May 2014 21: 32
              +3
              Quote: rapid1934

              Assistance should be humanitarian and unofficial volunteers, weapons, medicines, food, etc.

              And even better - similar to the one that the United States provided to the Kosovo flayer in the 1998 year. But as amended: the targeted destruction of Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, Yarosh, Tyagnibok, Klitschko, Poroshenko, Akhmetov, Tymoshenko and other subhuman.
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            5. sso-xnumx
              sso-xnumx 27 May 2014 21: 49
              +1
              That's it! As Ernesto Che Guevara once said, "It is better to die while standing than to live on your knees." If you want to live as a person, then achieve the right to do this with arms in hand. Protect your family - mother, father, wife, children.
              And if you used to be cattle, the road is there for you!
              1. saag
                saag 27 May 2014 21: 51
                +6
                Quote: sso-250659
                As Ernesto Che Guevara once said, "It's better to die while standing than to live on your knees."

                U how bad you are with history, Che never said such words, Dolores Ibarruri said
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 28 May 2014 09: 31
                  0
                  Quote: saag
                  Uh, how bad is your story

                  Come on. Different sources attribute winged phrases to different people. Yes, and repeat them often. So it's okay, maybe Che said that too.
          3. supertiger21
            supertiger21 27 May 2014 20: 40
            0
            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Neither XP.ENA PUTIN knows what to do!


            Oh, you might think such "experts" as you know all the ways out of the crisis. laughing

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            Betrayed the Russian people for the gas oligarchic loot. Gave hope to the Donetsk and betrayed!


            And this stupid and thoughtless statement suggests that the Russian people betrayed its author (that is, you).

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            For me, he is now not a resident.


            And he was no one for you. The president is for normal people, and not for keyboard strategists.

            Quote: Aleksandr65
            let him be sent to The Hague for crimes


            What crimes, please enlighten! fool

            PSYes, and in general, who are you to judge the correctness of the president’s actions ??? At least you make a small fraction of the% of what he did and then grumble! negative
            1. Aleksandr65
              Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 58
              -4
              Crimes? -Please, annexation of the territory of another state, deportation, violation of the rights of citizens, property, damage to the economy of the ruins, etc. For life, that's enough. And I personally am the one who MUST judge the correctness of the president’s actions — he is in my service, as, by the way, is with you. Or not in the know?
          4. stappler
            stappler 27 May 2014 21: 12
            +1
            set a plus: it was minus 4 it became minus 7, what kind of arithmetic,
            our government is great half-measures, we will help a little, we will swing a little.
            just a little while until hand gave ....
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 28 May 2014 08: 25
              +1
              Quote: stappler
              what arithmetic

              You dear, just think before you demonstrate your Internet literacy.
              Is there such a feature _ page refresh, how much is it set in your browser?
              As long as you thought who you want to give a plus to, your like-minded got into four minuses.
              Yes, these are calculations using negative numbers _
              (-4) + (+1) + (-4) = (-7)
              hi
          5. Starley from the south
            Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 15
            +1
            Most gracious, the knowledge of Saint Exupery does not endow you with imagination, not everything is as simple as you interpret. God grant that you are mistaken, otherwise it is ***** complete for all of us.
            1. Aleksandr65
              Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 21: 34
              -3
              Most merciful sir, how glad I would be to be mistaken! But the wild poverty of weapons, uniforms, medicines, the lack of even moral support for the insurgent Russians, suggests that I, unfortunately. right. And yes, for us this is a complete "" "" ". Because the president needs to be replaced, but for whom?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 27 May 2014 21: 38
                +4
                Quote: Aleksandr65
                And yes, for us this is a complete "" "" ". Because the president needs to be replaced, but for whom?

                Judging by your cries, you are already ripe for the presidency ... It remains to find the country ... wassat
          6. Rostov
            Rostov 27 May 2014 23: 34
            +1
            Will you come to the Swamp? We will not stand aside now either. They saw clearly how the marshes end.
        2. GradusHuK
          GradusHuK 27 May 2014 22: 22
          +2
          The West is not only waiting, it is actively acting.
      2. kombat58
        kombat58 27 May 2014 20: 19
        +40
        Let me fix it! My humble opinion - correct the machine, you do not know how to wear it. Move it from a position behind your back to a position on your chest. So it is more accessible. More likely to survive.
        But seriously, I'm from Sevastopol. And he went through the first stage personally. This was a very strong move that was unexpected for everyone. But you can't repeat yourself. Now the situation is different, for a long time they shoot and kill (in contrast to the Crimea, if you remember). I'm not saying it's good. I say that now we need other moves and tactical decisions. There was a time of "polite" people in Crimea. I who gave the service for 29 years "went nuts" (as young people say) from the ammunition and weapons of these guys. When you looked at them, it became clear who would emerge victorious, they suppressed with their appearance, with their presence. And this picture, if you like, worked! With the full support of the civilian population. Now is a different time, the time to win spiritually, the time of volunteers, fighters for the idea! But it is different for everyone - the idea is this. Someone takes revenge, someone hopes to join Russia, others do not tolerate Banderonazism, in any of its manifestations. And everyone passionately wants to return to the time when you can LIVE in peace. But it is also desirable that justice be done. Although here, too, everyone understands in their own way. Russia will not annex Novorossiya to Russia. She has stated this clearly and repeatedly. It is strategically correct, from a military point of view, to have a buffer state between Russia and the NATO bloc. BUT ABSOLUTELY FRIENDLY, like Belarus. And there is no need for accusations of cynicism. It will be better for everyone. Novorossia will feed itself and the new generation will be able to educate not in an atmosphere of so-called "occupation".
        And as for help from Russia - do not be naive. Do not you see her. But you don’t always need to behave like at a rally. The slogans are over, there is a war. So look for signs of military assistance. SEARCH AND CIRCULATE!
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 27 May 2014 21: 00
          +17
          Quote: kombat58
          kombat58


          I will subscribe to every word, having also served 30 years, I "went crazy" from the new "devices" of Ratnik, and many of them and some of the "chips" of the equipment itself have the SS stamp.
          I’ll just add that any military operation has a strategy ... Simply put, but for what it is actually needed and what will happen next, what are the prospects and strategic advantages, or vice versa, problems will arise after its implementation. And here the forecast is far from unambiguous ... It is necessary to have a real situation and layouts not only along the Russia-West-Ukraine axis, but also with other equally important geopolitical consequences. For example, our allies in the CU and the EAEU immediately have questions (the signing of an agreement which will take place the day after tomorrow), if Russia acts in this way with the sovereignty of its neighbors, then we will not stop in relation to us, which will make them think hard. And this is just one example. We see a maximum of a couple of moves ahead, and the head of state must look at ten moves before taking a similar step, which, obviously, doesn’t end in Crimean way and the blood of innocent people will be shed even more ... as a military man will say. the more so is a large-scale military operation using VKN means in this situation, an adventure and a trap for Russia.
          For comment plus and arrow rating up from me.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 28 May 2014 05: 42
            +1
            For example, our allies in the CU and the EAEU immediately have questions (the signing of an agreement which will take place the day after tomorrow), if Russia acts in this way with the sovereignty of its neighbors, then we will not stop in relation to us, which will make them think hard.

            and that the Allies could not have similar questions after Abkhazia and South Ossetia? and couldn’t arise after Crimea? (Or do you separate the sovereignty of Crimea and Donetsk somehow?) then I look strange statements from Lukashenko, strange moves from Nazarbayev appear. .. USA and NATO can do as they please and no questions arise from the Allies.
            Crimea was needed and it would be ours in this situation in any situation. If the South-East were needed (!) And it would be ours, no matter what.
            so do not reassure yourself of the cleverness and foresight of the Kremlin on the issue of the deaths of people in Novorosia.
          2. Hleb
            Hleb 28 May 2014 06: 21
            +1
            By the way, from what devices did they go nuts? PSO-1? knee pads? collimator sight? broniki? and ten years ago it was in normal units.
            and ... glasses probably


        2. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 20
          +2
          Well said, battalion commander!
        3. smile
          smile 27 May 2014 23: 29
          +1
          kombat58
          A completely comprehensive commentary. Thanks ++++++
      3. stappler
        stappler 27 May 2014 21: 07
        0
        put a plus as it is not regrettable ...
      4. Wellych
        Wellych 27 May 2014 21: 11
        +4
        Yesterday's events in Donetsk showed that Russia merged the DPR and LPR

        is this, as I understand it, a new trend?
        What only the Furious knows on his mind and the team very close to him, which is therefore close because he does not talk idle.
        Want to calculate Putin - full speed ahead.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 08: 30
          0
          Quote: Wellych
          so I understand the new trend?

          No, this is THEIR old trend.
          They can’t come up with a new one. Stagnation of thinking, swamp.
      5. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 12
        -1
        People there, in the southeast, more often sit in houses and basements. If, in my hometown, the same thing happened (God forbid), as in Odessa, the next day people would be tearing these law-breakers with their bare hands. Our people are southern, hot. How so indifferent to help? In the DNI and LC, a little better, but still, far from all seek to take weapons to defend their land.
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      7. Black
        Black 27 May 2014 21: 48
        +7
        Quote: KristOFF
        If someone has other thoughts, please correct me.


        Minus you due to the fact that the majority of those present here are undoubtedly patriots, for whom the fate of Russia and Ukraine is our fate. It hurts to horror if something does not work out.
        We believe that we will win .... We believe in fatum that the GDP will come up with something and settle it ... I think the majority here are ready for some (even significant) economic difficulties ...

        But I (not killed by the Maidan, knowing the history of the Fatherland, believing in the President (moderately)) I don’t think that the DPR and fraternal Cossack Lugansk will gain independence ...
        And the entry of territories into the Russian Federation is extremely impossible ... IMHO.

        I think they will put pressure on for a few days, then they will stop the ATO, well, and ... we have to wait for compromise decisions on the issue of "independence" ... That this will be hardly even federalization .... Most likely they will expand (more in words) the powers of places, the Russian language will remain the second official .... No more.
        Today Lavrov .... "the new authorities will find RELIABLE in us !!!! recourse partner "
        1. smile
          smile 27 May 2014 23: 44
          0
          Black
          I doubt it very much. The point of no return has already passed. Those who are now in power in Ukraine will no longer be able to turn back. Leaders and a significant part of the population of New Russia will no longer be able to get along with the new government of Ukraine. No one will forgive anyone.
          In general, the fact that Novorossia has not yet been crushed, I personally am surprised. With the complete superiority of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard in all respects, in fact, nothing can be achieved ... this must be known. They will probably be able to take a certain number of settlements. But they also need to be kept, having established a full-fledged occupation regime. And for this they simply do not have enough strength or money. I'm not talking about banal money. And it is so incomprehensible how Ukraine finances this operation, and how it will pay for unshared assistance.

          A diplomatic language is a diplomatic language, you need to listen to it carefully - it is full of pitfalls. In theory, this should be obvious. And for some reason you don’t notice it, or don’t want to notice .....
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 08: 35
          0
          Quote: Chen
          then stop the ATO

          According to the statement of the Kiev authorities after the destruction of all supporters of New Russia.
          Given the number of voters _ genocide of the local population.
      8. Rostov
        Rostov 27 May 2014 23: 29
        +5
        Guys, what do you mean leaked? I myself am from Rostov-on-Don. I have to travel a lot for business. My observations are like that. When a decision was made in principle on the Crimea, troops pulled to the Ukrainian border at night. When the unrest began in Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - the troops defiantly marched during the day. I had several records on the DVR where military convoys were going towards. Two entries are particularly exciting. For one duration of 30 MINUTES, there is an APC convoy, cars in the frame every 2-3 seconds. The second record is tractors with tanks, duration 40 MINUTES, equipment in the frame approximately every 5 seconds. Count what forces were transferred to the border. And once again I draw your attention - the technique went demonstratively in the daytime. As I think, in order for videos to get on the Internet, and they get. Russia has demonstrated to the people of the South-East of Ukraine that it will support them. And what did we see? How many were ready to defend their freedom with weapons in their hands? What should Russia have done if the majority of the people didn’t care? Southeast, this is not the Crimea, where the movement of the Ukrainian security forces could be relatively easily blocked in Armyansk. Without mass support from the local population, nothing would have happened. So why should our soldiers die if the locals don't need it?
      9. Kilo-11
        Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 19
        0
        First, I agree with you that our government has not reacted in any way to the crimes of Ukrainian fascists, about rallies, etc. you are right too. But it’s all a showcase, so to speak, although it’s very necessary. Now you have leaked or not, you can say that you leaked, but you can say not. You carefully look at the pictures and videos, especially from Donetsk, where the soldiers are in the picture DNR, maybe you will see something. About politicians, Zhirinovsky is simply not being given the broadcast now, Zyuganov is the same, and Mironov was noted on Russia-24 today, though he spoke in the spirit of power. And about Zhirinovsky, he helps the DNR and especially the LC - materially, humanitarianly, politically and financially. There is even an opinion that Zhirinovsky will eventually become the president of Novorossia. Not everything is as simple as it seems.
      10. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 05: 53
        +1
        Quote: KristOFF
        If someone has other thoughts, please correct me.

        I have the same thoughts. Alas, but I draw the same conclusions. When on the site the “cap-offers” screamed in a crowd: “Give me Kiev! Lugansk and Donetsk have united: Hurray! (etc.; etc.); I tried to ask: "is it necessary now for the DPR and LPR? (they already have problems" above the roof "); how to" drive out "the national guard with the army, equipped with tanks, artillery, MLRS, aviation, and superior in "manpower", without having previously listed? - in response: either silence, or offensive "crap".
      11. Grbear
        Grbear 28 May 2014 08: 34
        0
        Kristoff
        I put it to you (-), but only to indicate my disapproval of your "youthful" maximalism and, I hope, this is not troll pushing.
        You need to understand the situation by adding up all the information (but all is not available to us), and filter the Internet so that another time is a pity for the time - seeing the result.

        In the battle for Ukraine, the stakes are so high that it is impossible to foresee the events sitting on the couch. Russia's movements are hidden to the public, but powerful enough for real players.

        Ukraine is a volcano in the center of Europe, in the furnace of which Americans and purchased EU politicians are joking. Both those and others expect that "bang" will not hurt them and will give them the opportunity to "cut down" something. Our task is to extinguish, but this does not mean that it is necessary to pour a lot of water on a hot surface, and even more so, gasoline. It is necessary to extinguish from the inside.
        If someone has other thoughts, please correct me.

        Hope to hear.

        ps It is not worth it to draw conclusions based on what the other person is going or not going to do, and especially since he owes something. He is going, not you.
    7. a52333
      a52333 27 May 2014 19: 45
      +9
      S. Mironov, according to 24 News, said that there would be no military assistance, but we cannot forbid our volunteers to help our brothers in the fight against fascism (read between the lines).
      I am sure that assistance, albeit informal, but will go in all directions, is naturally humanitarian in the first place.
      1. Orik
        Orik 27 May 2014 20: 27
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        I am sure that assistance, albeit informal, but will go in all directions, is naturally humanitarian in the first place.

        So it is not there, Strelkov is not asking for tanks and helicopters, but helmets, body armor, caliber sights in al-murid blogs.
      2. Black
        Black 27 May 2014 21: 52
        +6
        Quote: a52333
        I am sure that assistance, albeit informal, but will go in all directions, is naturally humanitarian in the first place.


        Will .... But the elderly need pensions ... We need to work young, we need to learn children ..... Do we put everything? Illegally, on a glider?
    8. armageddon
      armageddon 27 May 2014 19: 48
      0
      HM ... Yes, actually no one stopped fighting !!! Russian-SPRING on the THRESHOLD !!!
      1. matross
        matross 27 May 2014 20: 29
        +20
        Quote: Armagedon
        RUSSIAN-SPRING ON THE THRESHOLD !!!

        Spring will end on schedule - May 31. No tantrums. Today, a new emphasis has appeared in the situation - Ukraine has announced its intention to switch to a visa regime with Russia. It would seem that amid the bombing of Donetsk and numerous victims, this is second-level news. However, in practice, this marks the beginning of a full-blown and dull blockade of Transnistria. By the way, there are our peacekeepers (very few, as in South Ossetia at the time). The next step will be to close the sky of Ukraine for Russian aircraft. If it doesn’t help quickly, it’s a provocation like the Georgian. And that’s it! It did not work to provoke in the Donbass - they will force me to war because of the PMR. Interestingly: the interim administration of Ukraine is aware of the plans of the United States? Are Saakashvili getting ready to teach at an American university? Poroshenko is ready - in English fluently scratches wink
        Total: it seems war cannot be avoided. We need to knock out more money for gas and, praying, go ahead! Break their expectations by the sudden and rapid seizure of ALL of Ukraine. And there it will be seen. It’s already difficult to worsen our position on the board ... the next move we can get a mate.
        1. Black
          Black 27 May 2014 22: 03
          +4
          Quote: matRoss
          Total: it seems war cannot be avoided.


          The Kremlin will not decide .... will not decide ....
          This should have been done in March, one battalion would have been enough ... the rest would have been done by the Ukrainian military ....
          Now, we can't manage with a division .... And the "legitimate" elections have passed, and now they'll ask Nata for help like two fingers on the asphalt .... 900 km to the border, in the West - the West, you can't cover it with Mirage. ... this is not Ossetia ....
          1. matross
            matross 27 May 2014 22: 42
            +3
            Quote: Chen
            they are now asking for help from Nata as two fingers on the asphalt ....

            They will request. Everyone, even penguins in Antarctica. But they won’t. NATO is a bureaucracy squared, ours never dreamed of. The month will be agreed. And in the end they will refuse - it will be too late, and scary - Russia is their nightmare, right up to enuresis.
          2. biznaw
            biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 23
            +1
            There were many such experts in the memory of the Feisty who knew what the Kremlin would do and what the Kremlin would not do, and if you recall the princes of Russia, you would find many graves of self-confident experts.
          3. Kilo-11
            Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 29
            0
            At the expense of one battalion, didn’t they try to throw caps at anyone?
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 06: 30
              +1
              Quote: Kilo-11
              At the expense of one battalion, didn’t they try to throw caps at anyone?

              Why is there a "battalion"! During the Ukrainian events, there are so many "caps" announced that there would be enough for three divisions.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 28 May 2014 08: 45
                0
                Quote: Kilo-11
                At the expense of one battalion, didn’t they try to throw caps at anyone?

                Exactly, the caps of ONE battalion will not work.
                Forces of one battalion with reinforcements ...
                These three divisions laughing
                Chatter, he is chatter.
                In fact, they can’t clean out Novorossia in any way!
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        4. ksv1973
          ksv1973 27 May 2014 23: 46
          +4
          Quote: matRoss
          Quote: Armagedon
          RUSSIAN-SPRING ON THE THRESHOLD !!!

          Spring will end on schedule
          Total: it seems war cannot be avoided. Break their expectations by the sudden and rapid seizure of ALL of Ukraine. And there it will be seen. It’s already difficult to worsen our position on the board ... the next move we can get a mate.

          Absolutely accurate assessment of the situation. Time is not on the side of Russia now. If we intervene directly now, we’ll have thousands of dead. If we delay in solving the problem, we will again give up millions of lives. Fascism must be crushed in the bud.
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    10. lg41
      lg41 27 May 2014 19: 53
      -4
      How many people are you working under one login at the same time?
      7-8?
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    13. Orik
      Orik 27 May 2014 20: 22
      0
      Quote: saag
      Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for

      And he spoke so beautifully ...
      1. Aleksandr65
        Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 21: 06
        +3
        And it still pisses me off. Well, you can't, TELL people so that they don't hope and be saved as they can. So no, silent, (unprintable). Why be silent ?! Living people are dying there! Yours allegedly "! Compatriots"
        1. Black
          Black 27 May 2014 22: 05
          +7
          Quote: Aleksandr65
          Well, you can’t TELL people so that they do not hope and are saved as they can. So no-silent


          Why is silent .... very even says ...
          The Kremlin is ready to become a "partner" for the pig meat !!!!!!
      2. Tron
        Tron 27 May 2014 21: 27
        +3
        Quote: Orik
        And he spoke so beautifully ...

        I myself am in confusion, but politics is not a simple matter, let's wait before we draw conclusions.
        1. zzz
          zzz 27 May 2014 22: 33
          +8
          Quote: TroN
          I myself am in confusion, but politics is not a simple matter, let's wait before we draw conclusions.


          Yes, we have all been waiting for a long time .... since December. But the United States is not embarrassed, they killed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... they kill Syria, Ukraine ..... yes they have the whole world as a testing ground for their weapons. They are not sorry for anyone, they have no souls, there is only profit is considered. I come to the conclusion: (personally, my opinion, formed as a result of all the events) Either our Army is not quite ready- (the parade doesn’t count, you can’t judge by the parade), or the liberals-Chubais, whose souls, like the Americans, only interfere for counting money. And money is power.
          1. zzz
            zzz 27 May 2014 23: 30
            +2
            I know that it’s not the topic, but I post it here.
            27.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX URGENT !!! DONETSK !!!
            ALL !!! ALL !!! ALL !!!
            A MOBILE DIVERSION SQUAD IS FORMED UNDER THE NAME "DONETSK" (INCLUDING A WOMEN'S PLANT) FOR RETURN TO THE UKRAINIAN Fascists !!! THE MAIN TASK OF THE SQUAD - ENFORCEMENT OF THE JUDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE'S COURT BY THE UKRAINIAN MILITARY BOMBING THE CITY OF DONETSK 26.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX. A SOLDIER WHO HAS BEEN INTO HIS PEOPLE DESERVES ONLY DEATH !!!
            By order of the newly minted power of Ukraine, two Su-25 aircraft, two MiG-29 and 4 Mi-24 helicopters. Pilots: Alexander Grab, Alexey Vlasenko, Sergey Yalyshev, Stepan Chobanu, Yuri Krishtal, Alexander Oksanchenko, Andrey Shevchenko. DEPARTURE PRICE 9000 UAH.
            1. biznaw
              biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 29
              0
              In vain voiced, will run away, it is necessary to search in Turkey or taan.
            2. Kilo-11
              Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 33
              0
              For the first time, I’d hear that they would type in an ad in a rdo, you would hang up announcements on poles! And in general, the thought is good, if not provocation. Still from the experience of our partisans, it may be time to remember about bridges, railway rails and etc.?
          2. biznaw
            biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 27
            0
            We are not the United States, we are worse, we love to torment the enemy in anticipation ... Vaughn and Hitler wrote that he was tormented with the decision for a long time, and then he made the decision and it became easier for him, but not for long until December 1941.
    14. subsprite
      subsprite 27 May 2014 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for

      Tell it to Saakashvili, otherwise he will not exclude ties from his menu.
    15. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 27 May 2014 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: saag
      about Russia, people are the last thing she will fight for

      Is your belief based on personal experience? Or who taught?
      1. saag
        saag 27 May 2014 21: 14
        +2
        based on personal observations :-) Do you know if I use my head, I recommend it
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 28 May 2014 05: 29
          0
          Quote: saag
          Do you know using your head

          I wonder from you: where did a bad idea come from in a smart head? Drafts walking, probably forgot to close the window ...
    16. maks-101
      maks-101 27 May 2014 21: 06
      +1
      they need a real leader whom the people will follow. In other words, they need Lenin.
      1. saag
        saag 27 May 2014 21: 18
        +1
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        In other words, they need Lenin

        Well, that's too cool, Lenin is needed in Russia too :-)
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 06: 34
          +1
          Quote: saag
          Well, that's too cool, Lenin is needed in Russia too :-)

          Do not share Stalin?
          1. saag
            saag 28 May 2014 07: 10
            0
            And why is it, if Lenin and Felix Edmundovich are enough for repressions :-)
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 07: 33
              +1
              Quote: saag
              And why is it, if Lenin and Felix Edmundovich are enough for repressions :-)

              Well, you, my friend, immediately about the repression, whereas in Russia many people connect Stalin with the Victory.
              1. saag
                saag 28 May 2014 07: 40
                0
                Well, so many here on the site appeal to the spirit of Stalin so that he comes and punishes corrupt officials :-)
    17. VAF
      VAF 27 May 2014 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: saag
      Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for


      I agree completely, +! only scenario # 1 is the same ... "myth", unfortunately.

      There will be no LC and DNI, much less Novorossi or what ... no one has the courage to admit to this ???.

      Shakhtyory.m ... fuck .... they announced a whole strike ... they won’t work .... what should I talk about ???

      The scenario is the following .. we are preparing to defend our Crimea (3 spoke about this a month ago).

      And the leavened patriots ... but at least minus ... what's the point that .... or "you cover up the great negotiator" wassat

      And then on the site ... "if you live (in the sense of fascism) on Mars (in the sense of dill)" - yes, the leavened patriots cried out fellow , but what about the "chosen one" (in the sense of the designated chocolate bunny "), but no ... he is normal .. we will negotiate with him belay

      What is it like? Behind the back of the resistance ???? Already, and so "sponsored" for e5 months everything that is possible ...

      Generally ... SHAME AND ANYWAY !!!! soldier
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 27 May 2014 23: 16
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Generally ... SHAME AND ANYWAY !!!!

        Hi Sergey! I read posts and wonder. How could we wash our brains !?
        Quote: vaf
        The scenario is the following .. we are preparing to defend our Crimea (3 spoke about this a month ago).

        You will not believe! I also wrote about this more than once! After the LC and the DNI, they will all trample there ....
        In general, I have the most gloomy forecasts. We can’t escape the slaughter. And as if ours did not spin like in a frying pan, you will have to answer for everything .....
        1. biznaw
          biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 32
          -1
          Soooo ... two more hohlotrolls erupted ...
    18. aspirin02
      aspirin02 27 May 2014 22: 07
      0
      Ukrainian fighter fires at a rebel training camp!
    19. biznaw
      biznaw 27 May 2014 23: 59
      0
      saag ... Very careful troll. Maybe tell us about Dmitry Kiselyov or what his name is right there, well, whom Ukrainian patriots really do not like and whom nobody knows in Russia
      1. saag
        saag 28 May 2014 06: 26
        0
        And what should I tell you about him?
  2. igor67
    igor67 27 May 2014 18: 52
    .
    Dear administrators, maybe enough about Ukraine, maybe it’s time to find common ground and get out of the crisis, self-proclaimed republics have no future, and this must be accepted, anyway, the President of Russia to meet with the Ukrainian one, on Channel One constantly show that he will accept the choice Ukrainian people, so maybe let's put it all the same? There cannot be 40 million fascists there. And the video, think about it, because one people. You are welcome! Enough!
    1. mad
      mad 27 May 2014 19: 01
      +9
      is it a fake or what? Are there links to the original video? I remember the plot from Slavyansk, I saw it myself, but what about from Kabarda?
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 27 May 2014 19: 08
        +10
        A month ago, Russian military intervention was one of the most likely developments in Ukraine. However, the situation has changed since then. Moscow came to the conclusion that tactics that did not provide for direct military invasion would be more successful. The situation is such that the development of events in Ukraine itself will lead to irreversible changes that will make it impossible for the country to join NATO. The changes are related to the beginning of the actual federalization of Ukraine. At this stage, federalization has affected only two regions in the southeast of the republic, where the independent Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR) were proclaimed. However, they fairly quickly announced the creation of a new, joint state entity, the Federal Republic of Novorossia (FRN).
        1. 1812 1945
          1812 1945 27 May 2014 21: 56
          +5
          Quote: Stalker
          The situation is such that the development of events in Ukraine itself will lead to irreversible changes that will make it impossible for the country to join NATO. The changes are related to the beginning of the actual federalization of Ukraine.

          Plus to you for good hopes. But this process is accompanied by the death of innocent people. The junta shoots not only its citizens, but also their faith in Russia - because of the inaction of the latter. If unknown forces kept the junta from punitive actions, we could wait for it - the junta will devour itself. - Now this is not a state, but an ugly product of vile intentions. But that’s the point: every day of delay is new casualties, the irreversible (on our own) destruction of the economy, and the fatal (and for Russia) NATO offensive ...
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 27 May 2014 19: 19
        0
        Quote: mad
        is it a fake or what?

        It could be anything.
        Cases essentially do not change.
        hi
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 27 May 2014 19: 53
          +6
          is it a fake or what?
          It could be anything.
          Cases essentially do not change.
          And here I have no doubt in concocted lies. Tame everything - completely a lie. Honest media there has long been destroyed. In Ukraine, fascism, and Goebbels propaganda, as an integral part of it.
      4. igor67
        igor67 27 May 2014 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: mad
        is it a fake or what? Are there links to the original video? I remember the plot from Slavyansk, I saw it myself, but what about from Kabarda?

        Footage from the Caucasus in the story about the Donbass is a mistake - VGTRK.
        Dmitry Kiselev, Deputy Director General of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company (VGTRK), said that the use by the TV channel "Russia 1" of the anti-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus in the story about the alleged murder of civilians by the fighters of the National Guard of Ukraine was an accidental mistake, reports UNN with reference to the Ukrainian service Air Force.
        1. Wels75
          Wels75 27 May 2014 21: 04
          +2
          The fact that civilians are dying is a fact !!!! 110%
          The fact that no one removes corpses on the streets is a matter of ethics and respect for the dead !!!!!
          I personally would not shoot !!!!!
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 07: 36
          0
          Quote: igor67
          reports UNN with reference to the Ukrainian Air Force service.

          And then there are no casualties among the civilian population?
      5. Gorko
        Gorko 27 May 2014 20: 12
        -2
        is it a fake or what? Are there links to the original video? I remember the plot from Slavyansk, I saw it myself, but what about from Kabarda?





        Here is the link to the video (National Anti-Terrorism Committee)

        http://nac.gov.ru/video/4008.html

        Here is the link to the video of the TV channel Russia.

        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=962631

        You are welcome. Russian media today stand alongside CNN and NBC in deceit.
        1. mad
          mad 27 May 2014 20: 30
          +2
          sadly that's all (
        2. anfil
          anfil 27 May 2014 21: 09
          +3
          You are welcome. Russian media today stand alongside CNN and NBC in deceit.


          This is called the information war! What is the lie in the reports that peaceful people are dying ?! Dying and how. A picture from another case can be explained by the fact that the Kiev junta does not want to let Russian journalists. On the contrary, they openly declare a hunt for them.
          A blooper and junta full.
          Schuster laughed
        3. Russ69
          Russ69 27 May 2014 21: 24
          +2
          Quote: GORKO
          You are welcome. Russian media today stand alongside CNN and NBC in deceit.

          Channel "Russia", at least admitted a mistake, which cannot be said about the others ...
          1. anfil
            anfil 27 May 2014 21: 34
            +2
            Channel "Russia", at least admitted a mistake, which cannot be said about the others ...


            In modern television practice, thematic reporting occupies a significant place.

            Reporting is a journalism genre that promptly reports on an event whose correspondent is an eyewitness or participant. A television report, unlike reporting on a radio or in a newspaper, not only tells, but also shows what happened to the viewer. If newspapermen and radio workers are forced to describe in a word, then for a journalist - TV reporter a descriptive function is performed by the video sequence, the picture. On the one hand, this allows you to concentrate information - the television reporter tells not what happened, but why, what it all led to or could lead to

            On the other hand, television people are more dependent on the event. It is necessary to get to the scene before its completion and have time to shoot the video material. This factor is essential in resolving the issue of what may be an informational reason for television reporting. Radio and newspaper journalists think how interesting this or that fact is to the reader, the listener. The TV man evaluates which picture he can show the viewer. The entertainment of the footage is one of the main conditions for watchability of the report. It is worth noting the fact that the whole story creates a television plot. If a newspaperman can visit the venue alone and prepare material, the creation of a television report requires the involvement of significant forces of the news service. Often you have to sacrifice some interesting events to remove the most exciting and relevant.

            And the Ukrainian media, even if you prove to them that they are wrong, in return, they will reward you with even more "truth".
          2. Gorko
            Gorko 27 May 2014 22: 19
            -3
            Channel "Russia", at least admitted a mistake, which cannot be said about the others ...

            Of course he admitted, but where to go, if the secret did not become apparent, everything would have come to naught. It was not a mistake, it was a deliberate lie and it is immoral to justify it by information war, this is a lodge that makes "dybilov" out of people
            1. Black
              Black 28 May 2014 01: 29
              0
              Quote: GORKO
              lodge which of people makes "dybilov"


              If it’s true ... then this does not add respect to TV channels ... There is something to think about and ask ....
              But this is still children's fun in comparison with what the world media have done and are doing.
              Remember - what they talked about the beginning of the war 080808 ... what they talked about Odessa Khatyn ... what they talked and talk about snipers on the Maidan ... you never know.
        4. Tron
          Tron 27 May 2014 21: 39
          +4
          Quote: GORKO
          Russian media today stand alongside CNN and NBC in deceit.

          But then two orders of magnitude more truthful than ukroSMI.
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          2. anfil
            anfil 27 May 2014 22: 06
            +3
            But then two orders of magnitude more truthful than ukroSMI.


      6. subsprite
        subsprite 27 May 2014 20: 29
        0
        Found this news by request in Google: "18.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Kabardino-Balkaria" request
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=962490
        1. Tron
          Tron 28 May 2014 02: 36
          0
          Quote: subsprite
          Found this news by request in Google: "18.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Kabardino-Balkaria"
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=962490

          And what are you hinting at? Remember that who and atoms are different things.
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    2. Bezarius
      Bezarius 27 May 2014 19: 01
      +7
      They will withdraw troops from Donbass and pay off debts, then we can talk about restoring relations.
      1. igor67
        igor67 27 May 2014 19: 07
        .
        Quote: Bezarius
        They will withdraw troops from Donbass and pay off debts, then we can talk about restoring relations.

        Do you really want a civil war?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 19: 18
          +18
          Quote: igor67
          Do you really want a civil war?

          Igor, and now in Ukraine, isn’t there a civil war? Have you seen the lines in the referendum? And what about Odessa?
        2. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 27 May 2014 19: 22
          +7
          Quote: igor67
          Do you really want a civil war?

          And what is happening now is called how ?!
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          2. Stalker
            Stalker 27 May 2014 19: 47
            +3
            And what is happening now is called how ?!

            In Igor’s view, these two compasses didn’t share a place for barbecue on a picnic .... So they clashed ... -DILETAN APPROACH AT YOU CIR ... negative hi
        3. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 27 May 2014 19: 46
          +4
          Quote: igor67
          Do you really want a civil war?

          Although I am an opponent of the current government in Ukraine, I support Igor.

          No one hates war like the military ...

          This kindergarten squeal of couch warriors already really got ...
          Do you want blood?
          * Suitcase-station-drum around the neck and forth.
          * Or help with money.
          Maybe enough to suck the same thing, plus each other? Throwing the same koment on several topics has already become the norm ...
          Heh.

          So much has already been heaped up that you will have to rake for YEARS.
          Do you know the voting results for the president of Ukraine?
          Here it is ...
          THERE IS NO DESIRE TO THINK ABOUT THIS ???

          Not everything is so simple in Ukraine, not everything is so simple ...
          Four teenagers are now coming to me in the Urals - relatives from Ukraine have sent. There are Marathon’s supporters and opponents, I think about DRUM, I will accept them all and try to make the children of my Ukrainian relatives have a GOOD SUMMER.
          I don’t have anything to do with politics from the big bell tower, I’m not digesting it.

          We need to think about people.
          And this crisis can be resolved peacefully, just many of them do not want to.
          Many of them are waiting for the Russian invasion ... it is the mattresses who are waiting.
          DO NOT DO THIS.
          Especially now.
          It is dry, bitter - but the TRUTH.
          1. Aleksandr65
            Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 27
            +2
            Look how interesting you have a monopoly on the truth? "What is your name, thinker, Jean Jacques Rousseau? Marcus Aurelius? Spinoza?" And what results could be the result of SUCH elections? Peaceful way is the shooting of Mariupol, Donetsk, Slavyansk? Yes, you will go far .. mind ..
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 27 May 2014 21: 05
              +14
              Quote: Aleksandr65
              What is your name, thinker, Jean-Jacques Rousseau? Marcus Aurelius?

              Dear Alexander...
              I don’t have the habit of how boldly you doused yourself through the Internet.

              But I will answer your question:
              My name is Alex. 43 of the year.
              13,5 years in the army, of which 10 years in the LINEAR tank units.
              5 business trips, 2 concussions.
              Is it enough?

              I don’t need to explain what PATRIOTISM and Brotherhood are, okay?

              Minusators will propose to answer the question:
              - Where is the MASS support of the population of the Southeast?

              And the future of this region is already clear to anyone more or less familiar with military affairs:
              - the constant shattering of the situation in the region so that the Natsik land burned underfoot.
              - withdrawal of BTGr from the border is an ordinary tactical step, just Maidan will now be brought to the white knee in another way, what is happening now... (there is simply nothing else left in connection with the silence of the bulk of the population, this is not the Crimea).
              Or do you consider yourself smarter than the President of Russia? I don’t think so. But he will not surrender SE.

              And in this situation ... the people in the Southeast, oh, and the goryushka gulps ... and for a long time ...
              This is WAR. The world is easy to destroy, rebuilding is difficult.
              Thugs who have tasted unpunished blood will never stop NEVER.
              And people will not be able to TRUST A SIMPLE PASSWORD for a long time.
              That's what I do not want with all of my fibers SE ...
              It was just that they needed to be determined, and not quiet down the huts ...

              The truth is not so difficult to see, but not everyone wants to recognize it, much less to say it.
              1. Aleksandr65
                Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 21: 51
                +2
                Jean Jacques Rousseau? Marcus Aurelius?(these are 12 chairs) in your opinion, dirt ?. Oh well. You ask, where is Mass Support? Are you kidding me? And referenda, where did 75-85% come? Came under the bullets, threats, deaths, against the whole state, with open passports (you can now put in), is this, in your opinion, nothing ?! Try to organize something like that in Russia. People have accomplished a feat! Further, they should also die en masse under the tanks, in your opinion? They must be protected, peaceful, normal people, OUR compatriots, one of the very few who decided to live with Russia. And she ... Eh!
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 27 May 2014 22: 12
                  +5
                  Quote: Aleksandr65
                  You ask, where is Mass Support?

                  Crimea - this is where there was REAL MASS SUPPORT.

                  Before you answer, Alexander, re-read three sheets of your comments ...
                  I saw nothing but demagoguery on political topics.
                  And you know "everything" and criticize "everything" except yourself.
                  I see no reason to talk with you.

                  Finally:
                  Maydanutyam VERY MUCH, that Russia entered the Southeast NOW.
                  So they will give an "enemy image" for the whole Ukraine.
                  And I don’t think so alone.
                  But this does not mean that SE is abandoned... read the news on SE between the lines, it will be clearer.
                  In Ukraine, everything is just beginning ...
                  1. wax
                    wax 28 May 2014 01: 16
                    +1
                    Maydanutyam VERY MUCH, that Russia entered the Southeast NOW.
                    So they will give an "enemy image" for the whole Ukraine.
                    And I don’t think so alone.
                    But this does not mean that SE is thrown ... read the news on SE between the lines, it will be clearer.
                    In Ukraine, everything is just beginning ...

                    Absolutely correct assessment of the situation today. In addition, we need to understand that we need all of New Russia as a minimum goal in order to save Transnistria. Then the ultimate goal can be achieved - to prevent Western Ukraine from joining NATO and, if possible, to keep it in its orbit in general.
                  2. Kilo-11
                    Kilo-11 28 May 2014 01: 44
                    0
                    You can’t get away from politics, even if you put your head in the sand, this is a given by a colleague.
                  3. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 08: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Maydanutyam VERY NECESSARY, that Russia entered the Southeast NOW

                    Do not enter, Russia to the South-East! But give the South-East weapons (including heavy ones), ammunition, medicines, provisions; accept the wounded, refugees. Do you want demonstrations of mothers, conscripts who died in Ukraine? Give support to volunteers , consciously taking risks: specialists in various weapons and the conduct of specific military operations; arm them.In general, no need to "piss" - then we will break through!
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 07: 59
                +1
                Quote: Aleks tv
                - Where is the MASS support of the population of the Southeast?

                What do you think means "mass support ..."? In Luhansk and Donetsk regions, most of the population voted for "independence" - is this not support? Oh yes, you probably mean by the South-East all 8 regions necessarily "in a compartment"? But such a "kandibol" turned out-2 areas are fighting. Not enough for you? The game is not worth the candle, you can "pass" !? And you are not ashamed of the hundreds of thousands of civilians who are now threatened with death every hour? When in the next world you meet the souls of a teenager and an elderly woman, cut by shrapnel of artillery shells; and the souls of 35 ambushed militias, do not be ashamed to say that they are to blame: there were too few of them for Russia to "move its ass."
        4. aksakal
          aksakal 27 May 2014 20: 26
          +5
          Quote: igor67

          Do you really want a civil war?
          - in fact, Kolomoisky began it, asking "to put things in order in Odessa, after which not a single mouse will stick its head out." So there is no need to calm down here, and you and your Kolomoisky "mice" confused "mice" of the wrong breed, so eat with a full spoon, so that the "mice" learn to distinguish. It was too late to calm down, while for those who were burned alive to pay off in full, there is no need to calm down, but it was necessary to think even before the massacre perpetrated on the peaceful inhabitants of Odessa. It is quite in your spirit to do business and immediately calm down, hoping to get away from responsibility am
        5. Bezarius
          Bezarius 28 May 2014 11: 05
          0
          It’s precisely because I don’t want to, and I’m talking about the need to withdraw troops.
      2. Alexey N
        Alexey N 27 May 2014 19: 10
        +8
        They will withdraw troops from Donbass and pay off debts, then we can talk about restoring relations.

        Have you already forgiven them Odessa? And Slavyansk? There are hundreds of victims, and you and Putin about money ...
        1. rapid1934
          rapid1934 27 May 2014 20: 32
          0
          And Ukrainians forgave them ???
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    4. Stalker
      Stalker 27 May 2014 19: 04
      +5
      Also in the subject of Ukraine ....
    5. Cynic
      Cynic 27 May 2014 19: 09
      +4
      Quote: igor67
      so maybe let's put it all the same?

      You are welcome _

      On November 10, 1975, the General Assembly of the United Nations, by its resolution No. 3379, recognized Zionism as a fascist teaching and practice.

      Do you know what is written there?
      Leopold is the same to me.
    6. Malayan
      Malayan 27 May 2014 19: 10
      +2
      give the link to the original, and if it is not inadvertently gossip.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 27 May 2014 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: Malaya
        give the link to the original

        If that _ is GIVED to me.
        But essentially _ Do not so clearly demonstrate their Internet illiteracy.
        hi
    7. Erg
      Erg 27 May 2014 19: 11
      +3
      Video is a simple blunder. My friend from Donetsk called about three weeks ago. He told a lot of things. And I believe him. I know that people are dying, and from whom I also know.
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 19: 12
      +10
      Quote: igor67
      maybe it's time to find common ground and get out of the crisis, self-proclaimed republics have no future, and this must be accepted

      Igor, now Lviv is not bombing and not rebels are attacking Kmevskaya power. As for the video, everyone has blunders.
      Regarding the relationship, you go to this site and read the comments of the people. There are plenty of such sites in Ukraine. Try to write there that we are one people. Http: //censor.net.ua/news/all
      If you want to tell the truth, go there and read just the names of the articles.
      1. igor67
        igor67 27 May 2014 19: 18
        -5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: igor67
        maybe it's time to find common ground and get out of the crisis, self-proclaimed republics have no future, and this must be accepted

        Igor, now Lviv is not bombing and not rebels are attacking Kmevskaya power. As for the video, everyone has blunders.
        Regarding the relationship, you go to this site and read the comments of the people. There are plenty of such sites in Ukraine. Try to write there that we are one people. Http: //censor.net.ua/news/all
        If you want to tell the truth, go there and read just the names of the articles.

        Hi Sanya, I’m worried about my relatives, and not about the minuses, I’ve got sites for me, I know what’s going on there, but shkolota wants to fight, just don’t know that they’re there too
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 19: 24
          +17
          Quote: igor67
          Hi Sanya, I'm worried about family, not minuses,

          Igor, what does the minus have to do with it, the warrior goes both there and in networks. Russia already asks and demands to stop the warrior at all levels, but Kiev has other plans. The people after Odessa will not talk to them. Their people will not be burned.
          They rule Ukraine now not Ukrainians. hi
          1. igor67
            igor67 27 May 2014 19: 43
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: igor67
            Hi Sanya, I'm worried about family, not minuses,

            Igor, what does the minus have to do with it, the warrior goes both there and in networks. Russia already asks and demands to stop the warrior at all levels, but Kiev has other plans. The people after Odessa will not talk to them. Their people will not be burned.
            They rule Ukraine now not Ukrainians. hi

            Have I ever advocated a war? Sanya, you know, I went under shelling of missiles and I don’t want anyone to do this, so I want only peace
        2. Manul
          Manul 27 May 2014 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: igor67
          Hi Sanya, I'm worried about family, not minuses, nafik sites

          Then there’s nothing to compare the shameless lie down and the video inserted just for the sake of entertainment. This is a common practice - when the television does not have enough video reports, it takes at least something similar video to the events described. And for the report to be completely reliable, this is necessary from Kh.Okhlov- ask the nationalists - why are they killing and seizing journalists. And why are they also killing civilians and wounded militias .. Do not figs here. with a finger to compare, a fighter for justice you understand found!
    9. mihasik
      mihasik 27 May 2014 19: 17
      +2
      , all the same, the President of Russia to meet with the Ukrainian, on Channel One they constantly show that he will accept the choice of the Ukrainian people, so maybe let's put it all the same?

      You probably don't know Putin well). He did not specify the choice of which part of the Ukrainian people he supports and respects.) Everything will depend on the bandit Petit. We can say that Chocolate Rabbit has the last chance ....
    10. Oml
      Oml 27 May 2014 19: 18
      +9
      Quote: igor67
      Dear administrators, maybe enough about Ukraine, maybe it’s time to find common ground and get out of the crisis, self-proclaimed republics have no future, and this must be accepted, anyway, the President of Russia to meet with the Ukrainian one, on Channel One constantly show that he will accept the choice Ukrainian people, so maybe let's put it all the same? There cannot be 40 million fascists there. And the video, think about it, because one people. You are welcome! Enough!


      Or can you tell this to the relatives of those who died in Donetsk and Lugansk regions, burned in Odessa?
    11. tomket
      tomket 27 May 2014 19: 25
      +8
      hmm, but Israel has already found common ground with the Palestinians? Or do you have double standards in the West in beer add as an impurity?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 May 2014 19: 34
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        hmm, but has Israel already found common ground with the Palestinians?

        Igor from Ukraine.
        1. supertiger21
          supertiger21 27 May 2014 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Igor from Ukraine.


          Why, then, the Israeli flag? request
    12. nstarinsky
      nstarinsky 27 May 2014 19: 27
      +25
      Firstly, I don't watch the Russia 1 TV channel. I don't watch Russian TV at all. An attempt to present this material in the form of a "counterbalance" to the Ukrainian media is unsuccessful, since in a war (and this is what goes on in Ukraine), both disinformation and propaganda of all kinds are always used. I even admit that the video shown has nothing to do with Dagestan. This is so for the argument ... I compare information from a huge variety of places with the "official" world. And I see that all the media are deeply sick with this. Some more or less others. Our feelings about what is happening there and our conclusions about the situation are based on FACTS. For example - Bandera's declaration as a hero of Ukraine. After that, I'm not interested in who and how will start reporting this - with "embellishment" or "belittling". It is enough for us to know who comes to Kiev and from where, with what speeches and what "gifts of cooking" for the Maidan. It is enough for us to know who were the official "observers" at the crowning of the new oligarch. The words of the Ukrainian deputies spoken out loud are absolutely sufficient for us. Even if we assume that the media took them out of context, we easily assume that the context itself was even worse. Do you want to be reconciled? After what happened in Odessa and what is happening in the South-East? Who do you want to put up with - the Russians in Russia? The Russian army does not fight there. Without fighting, it is impossible to "make peace". To put up is to forgive debts for gas? Although personally it does not bother me at all. They were stealing and stealing gas not from the Russian people, but from the Russian oligarchs. You say - one people. Where is one? In the post-Soviet space? There - in Ukraine - there is no single people. And from there it is necessary to start for the Ukrainian citizens themselves, without dividing the state into those who are "to the gilyak" and to whom "glory to the heroes." Ukrainians p-r-o-s-r-a-l-and their statehood. They have ALWAYS been in power since 1991, oligarchs thieves, and now they are elected again! Make peace with them ...
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 34
        0
        But still watch Russian TV, on satellite TV, there is a big difference of opinion ...
    13. ksv500
      ksv500 27 May 2014 19: 46
      +6
      There cannot be 40 million fascists.
      Of course there are no 40 million fascists — there are 39,5 million ordinary people who have been robbed, slandered and brainwashed. And there are real fascists who will stop at nothing! And if they are not stopped, the fascists will become more and live peacefully in their impoverished Ukraine, they will not!
    14. Nazgul_9
      Nazgul_9 27 May 2014 19: 54
      +1
      But nothing that sometimes such inconsistencies due to:
      1. Not professional work of employees
      2. The lack of actual video material and its replacement with an analogue
      3. Unreliable sources?
      So there is nothing particularly terrible. + I obviously trust Vesti more than "you" ...
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    16. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 May 2014 21: 52
      +5
      Quote: igor67
      anyway, the President of Russia will meet with the Ukrainian, on Channel One they constantly show that he will accept the choice of the Ukrainian people, so maybe let's put it all the same?


      Do not meet ...
      Through diplomatic channels or some other the question of a visit to Russia Poroshenko is not considered, not discussed"- said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a press conference in Moscow on Tuesday.

      link
      there is nothing to talk about with the puppets ... With this choice of the "Fashington Regional Committee", external control over the territory of the wound called the unitary state of Ukraine (with the exception of Novorossia) was finally established. And the message about respect for the choice of the Ukrainian people is directed precisely to the true scriptwriters of this choice - let's finally stop the violence and we will negotiate before it's too late.
      But Kolomoish and PARAShenok-valtsmanov await in the course of the fate of their predecessors the Trotskyists and for military and humanitarian crimes against the Russian people. In Germany, millions of Germans also could not become fascists overnight, but they went after the Nazi sect to the east for personal acres of land and slaves. Advanced Kievans thought of the same thing, calling their fellow citizens, according to their historical fate, quilted jackets and cattle ... Of course, they are not fascists, they just do not care who has them, the Nazis or the sect of the oligarchs, it is with their active participation that blood flows in Ukraine and continues the oligarchs rule under the strict guidance of US geshefters. Only their fate will be the same as that of the Germans, war and chaos will come back to Kiev either in the form of the next Maidan or in the form of Natsiks who will never lay down their arms even after SE, who will throw them out sooner or later, they will turn him again to Kiev ... And so in a circle until the final collapse and looting by parasites with the American owners of the artificially created under-state of Ukraine. Or does history teach nothing? There will be no order and peace oligarchs compradors and external curators ... Russia of the 90s is an example with the power of seven-bankers (some of them still walk in white tunics in the Negev desert) and American advisers (more than a hundred Yeltsin decrees concocted them) with the war in the Caucasus, the IMF stranglehold, defaults and crises, the impoverishment and direct genocide of the Russian people, the almost complete collapse of the army and the rampant anarchy and banditry ... We went through this stage because Russia would be without Ukraine Russia. And Ukraine without Russia, even in the EU, even in the Kolomoisha Neo-Khazaria, there is nothing to call it, and this axiom is confirmed by the whole course of historical development, and no propaganda, money, guns are powerless before what has been ordained and determined from the time of Alexander Nevsky and Daniil Galitsky. ..A common historical fate and rebirth, or again the poorest province of Austria-Hungary and or the Reich, which the EU will slowly turn into, in which, like in Galicia, the people will be hunched off and the whole small business allowed from the gentleman’s shoulder will be in the hands of the Jews and Armenians - farmers as in the ever-memorable province of Avsiro-Hungary ... A historical fact, so there is nothing new. Everything has already happened more than once ...
  3. northern
    northern 27 May 2014 18: 54
    +2
    "a cure for indifference to one's future."
    and the longer the “moyahataskraiu” continues, the longer the Ukrainians watch on the couch as they deban their country, the more painful the epiphany will be.
    1. Alexey N
      Alexey N 27 May 2014 19: 13
      +1
      It seems that they will only see when they are led to the nearest ravine in a column. Strange Outskirts.
    2. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 27 May 2014 21: 36
      0
      You can even say in another way: they have all the cracks, but they don’t know!
  4. domiemon
    domiemon 27 May 2014 19: 00
    +10
    The scheme will be the same as it is now. Trade with the Russian Federation is in progress. The enterprises of New Russia are tied mainly to Russia. Again, for the first time, many residents of New Russia will travel to Russia to work. The main thing is that the Russian authorities at least do not bother them. The gas will be Russian at least at the prices at which they agreed with Yanukovych. The same officials on the ground will remain for the first time, will do their job. Everything will be a little better, if only they could fight off the junta and defeat crime
  5. vezunchik
    vezunchik 27 May 2014 19: 02
    +1
    Employees of the Ukrainian state border service said that a convoy of automobiles allegedly broke into the territory of Ukraine from Russia on the night of Tuesday, while border guards were able to detain two escort cars and one minibus with weapons inside them.

    According to the agency, at about 3.30 (4.30 Moscow time) on May 27, border guards noticed a convoy consisting of several trucks, cars and minibuses, which were moving from Russia towards the state border of Ukraine, RIA Novosti reports.

    “At 3.40 (4.40 Moscow time) the convoy crossed the state border, where a border guard met it with fire. A battle ensued. Violators, leaving a cover group, partially broke through to Ukraine in the direction of Anthracite. As a result of the fighting, one minibus and two cars were damaged and captured by border guards, and one gunman was seriously wounded. The detained cars were filled with Kalashnikovs, RPGs and explosives, ”the report said.

    Recall that on Monday the state border service reported that, according to its data, cars with armed people were allegedly located near the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. However, according to the representative of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, there was no order to strengthen the Russian-Ukrainian border.
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 27 May 2014 19: 03
    +3
    The scenarios for the development of events are endless ... the viability of the new state entities will depend only on ... how much people are ready to defend their freedom ... their choice of path ...
    The attributes of the state are absolutely necessary ... this is one of the important stages on the path to the formation of independent republics of the South-East of Ukraine.
  7. Const
    Const 27 May 2014 19: 08
    +2
    If we wanted order and independence, everything would be there. They say: "We will not take this into the militia, but we will, because at least he served in the army." Everything is easier with the Nazis, if you hate - here's a rifle, go kill in freedom. And they (Polish-hohlyatsky fascists) chose the badge for themselves in the form of Satan's hat, well, I don't see WILL in it.
    1. kombat58
      kombat58 27 May 2014 20: 35
      +4
      I hope you understand what you are talking about.
      How can you take those who did not serve, give them weapons. After all, even the young fighter’s course has nowhere to go with him, there is no time and no one. They do not have training, as in Kalomoisky. And to create the appearance of the mass of armed people who have no idea about discipline, about tactics ... This is to throw young unshooted boys under mercenaries.
      You want their deaths! And nothing to do with "Righteous Wrath" if it is not provided with anything.
      Everyone must do their job!
  8. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 19: 09
    +3
    The best scenario: in Kiev, land troops (militiamen of the South-East) directly on the Maidan to shoot someone right away and basically fill the muzzle and disperse to a hair dryer .. (you can go to Siberia) and it’s better to geyrop with high-speed trains (without stops)) .. A joke of course, but how they got it already!
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn 27 May 2014 19: 09
    +2
    Nevertheless, for the time being we cannot get involved in the internal Ukrainian politics. They only expect this from us ... Apparently, the only way to somehow influence the situation in Ukraine is to set the leading European countries against the junta and its continuation ... Here is the possibility of disruption of gas supplies, humanitarian disaster and the European peacekeeping contingent, etc. . It may be cynical ... but these are the rules of the game in politics.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 20: 09
      +5
      Quote: alex-cn
      They only expect this from us ... Apparently, the only way to somehow influence the situation in Ukraine is to set the leading European countries against the junta and its continuation ... Here is the possibility of disruption of gas supplies, humanitarian disaster and the European peacekeeping contingent, etc.

      You are right of course. (But they (the EU, the US and their junta) do not "tune in" something .. They don’t give money for gas to us in a brazen way .. (and after all, they carry out ATO killing with the help of the army and mercenaries the Russian-speaking population Y-V ..) And then they will come to us ..
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    3. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 27 May 2014 20: 34
      +1
      Destroyed by the Russian people in ruin, is not the business of Russia ?. And what, then, is her business?
  10. roman72-452
    roman72-452 27 May 2014 19: 11
    0
    Quote: mad
    is it a fake or what? Are there links to the original video? I remember the plot from Slavyansk, I saw it myself, but what about from Kabarda?

    This is a fake, ukrsmi distribute it with joyful aspirations.
  11. simbeer
    simbeer 27 May 2014 19: 11
    +1
    Quote: igor67
    Dear administrators, maybe enough about Ukraine, maybe it’s time to find common ground and get out of the crisis, self-proclaimed republics have no future, and this must be accepted, anyway, the President of Russia to meet with the Ukrainian one, on Channel One constantly show that he will accept the choice Ukrainian people, so maybe let's put it all the same? There cannot be 40 million fascists there. And the video, think about it, because one people. You are welcome! Enough!


    Sir, do you have access to the materials of the NAC of Russia?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 27 May 2014 19: 34
      +4
      Quote: simbeer
      Sir, do you have access to the materials of the NAC of Russia?

      It really was an erroneous insert. Kiselyov admitted the mistake of the editor ...
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 27 May 2014 19: 16
    +3
    And the citizens of Ukraine have to undergo a course of cure from indifference to their future and plunge into the abyss of chaos.


    The treatment will be very painful and long, the patient now has acute delirium. I wish the citizens of New Russia, to quickly pass the state formation.
  13. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 27 May 2014 19: 17
    +5
    Quote: alex-cn
    but these are the rules of the game in politics.

    "If you have ever seen how sausage is made, then you can imagine what politics is."
  14. Revolver
    Revolver 27 May 2014 19: 17
    +6
    Article minus for a variety of reasons.
    1. The Russian Federation does not have to recognize Novorossia in order to trade with it. They trade with Ukraine, while not recognizing the junta as legitimate.
    2. The Federal Reserve does not have to enter its own currency. The market itself will figure out what will go there - rubles, hryvnias, bucks with euros, or any combination thereof. Although no, perhaps no one will want to accept hryvnia, but on the contrary they will try to throw them off, albeit with a loss, for rubles or currency.
    3. Entrepreneurs will pay taxes to FRN if they want their businesses to function. Although it is curious, in Mariupol there seems to be a Roshen factory, what will happen when the people there drive away the proteges of Kiev and take power into their own hands?
  15. Vrvarius
    Vrvarius 27 May 2014 19: 18
    +1
    there is, unfortunately, no cohesion among the population of Donetsk and Luhansk regions. I communicate with my relatives and get a little disappointed. It seems to me that everyone expected Russia's intervention, as in the Crimea, but this did not happen. DNR does not come out to the people, the inhabitants of the region do not understand what is happening. there is no leader, all sorts of Gubarevs, in my opinion, ordinary impostors, banditry "in the name" of the revolution begins to flourish. sad but true .....
  16. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 27 May 2014 19: 23
    +2
    Quote: saag
    Scenario number two and three, do not have illusions about Russia, people are the last thing it will fight for

    There is another opinion about this.
    1. nstarinsky
      nstarinsky 27 May 2014 22: 41
      0
      Still, it is impossible to listen to such opinions without irony. This is some kind of rampant fantasy in the center of which is the global world plan of the invisible Predictor for the total destruction of the Ruuska. This can be pleasing to the ear on days of intense conflict. But, excuse me, world events have a much more developed system of reasons in their background. The reasoning given in this video interview is usually delivered in a confident voice, without evidence or distorted interpretation thereof. In short, they listen easily and hypnotically. The speaker's tone of voice is beyond doubt. But, as a scientist, I cannot "swallow" the speaker's logic. His goal is to bring history in all its glory - under one goal. And this is precisely what is deeply mistaken. A mistake, however, will also be the denial of the animal hatred of the Russians among some representatives of "other" peoples. Perhaps this is out of envy for the geometrical area of ​​the country. I don't know, but I guess so. And if they think that Russia will "divide the triangles", then politically it means - sign up for a psychiatrist. But I don't believe in a world historical conspiracy. Politics is more often a reaction to the chaos of history, a hurricane of stereotypes formed over centuries, and much less often - a conspiracy of historical proportions.
  17. Russ69
    Russ69 27 May 2014 19: 24
    +13
    27.05/XNUMX. Igor Strelkov:

    “In the morning there is a calm - at night there was a shootout near Semenovka. In the morning, we struck back with mortars at the checkpoint at the turn to Krasny Estuary. In general, everything is as usual. We are “bombarded” with desa that the assault will begin “just about”. We do not pay much attention - when they are finally made - we will understand ourselves. At night they sent reinforcements to Donetsk - the epicenter of hostilities is now shifting there.

    I have no information on downed enemy helicopters.

    Yesterday we had two lightly wounded in positions. The figures of casualties among the civilian population were clarified - 2 people were killed, 5 injured in the city itself as a result of shelling.

    Igor Ivanovich expressed his opinion about the officers who carry out criminal orders and kill civilians.

    An officer who fights against his own people and against his convictions is a coward and ped ... Art. A coward - because he is so afraid of “family and retirement” so much that as a result he is ready to leave other people's orphans. Ped ... art - because having cowed and betraying his people once, he will begin to coward and betray further and further and roll down an inclined plane up to ...

    One helicopter squadron that crossed over to our side would be enough for the Ukrainian army to begin to fall apart in pieces on its own. And it would be possible to throw off the junta and establish sane power in Kiev for several months. But the general "amoebicity" of the so-called "Officers" allows Ukrainians to bomb militias and drive to slaughter "snotty conscript soldiers." I hate critters! They didn’t have to go to military schools, but to sewers. ”
  18. nalim
    nalim 27 May 2014 19: 29
    .
    Yes, let them fight, then what matters to us?
    1. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 30
      0
      - gives in ...
  19. RADIK
    RADIK 27 May 2014 19: 31
    +12
    I remember at the beginning of the whole stage, before the referendum, when we took Crimea. There were articles where it was said that the South-East is why you are sleeping. You were given a signal to rise, do not be afraid Russia will help you. Now we write "To recognize the DPR and LPR means to plunge headlong into the maelstrom of the problems that would follow after the recognition." So they raised the people, they perked up in the hope of recognition and help. It turns out like in the worst battles, when they sent the guys into battle and promised support. Then the guys knock everyone down, but they fight and call and ask for support, but there is no support, but they die with the hope that help will come now. Having started this whole cycle, you always need to know that there will be shouts and sanctions from those who invented it all. But if we decided to answer this challenge, then why not go all the way. Already, Russia was charmed, sanctions were imposed and no one hears her arguments. There is such a thing in a fight, as soon as he gave a slack, literally a small slack, they peck and score. And no one will ask whether you were right or not. Everyone will sort it out later. But you have already been beaten now.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 27 May 2014 19: 40
      +5
      Quote: RADIK
      I remember at the beginning of the whole stage, before the referendum, when we took Crimea. There were articles where it was said that the South-East is why you are sleeping. You were given a signal to rise, do not be afraid Russia will help you. Now we write "To recognize the DPR and LPR means to plunge headlong into the maelstrom of the problems that would follow after the recognition"

      I agree, the situation is not clear yet and does not look very good. But it is probably too early to draw conclusions and draw parallels with Crimea.
      But I would like to hear a more intelligible policy of the Kremlin, and then continuous reservations ...

      1. Setrac
        Setrac 27 May 2014 21: 30
        +1
        Quote: Russ69
        But I would like to hear a more intelligible policy of the Kremlin, and then continuous reservations ...

        We will understand the intelligible policy of the Kremlin at the end of events .... maybe.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 27 May 2014 23: 08
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          We will understand the intelligible policy of the Kremlin at the end of events .... maybe.

          So where to next? Events are welling up like a snowball.
          1. biznaw
            biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 55
            0
            I am awesome ... Events like a snowball ... Are you a fan of cockroach races or computer GTA?
            Strategist, damn it.
    2. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 32
      +2
      - HALF WALKERS ... that's what it's called ... declare, and then break off ...,
      not for the first time Volodya half measures
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 56
        0
        Another strategist stapler
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 08: 30
          +2
          Quote: biznaw
          Another strategist stapler

          And why did such an insult, such labels, themselves pretend to be a "strategist", but others "entered"?
    3. SAG
      SAG 28 May 2014 00: 39
      0
      WHO PROMISED ?? YOU ABOUT WHAT ??? There are tons of sites and articles that promise exactly the opposite !! WHAT SANCTIONS ?? All of these sanctions weigh less than a roll of cotton wool! Empty bullshit and window dressing.
  20. yurik
    yurik 27 May 2014 19: 32
    +6
    here in the Donbass exactly the Abkhazian scenario developed in the early 90s, when
    observing the leadership of Russia, people there were faced with a fatal outcome: either fighting - they won or fighting - they lose, in both cases there was a devastation, refugees, a humanitarian catastrophe.
    What was this for? so that through such terrible and bloody trials there would be a final and irrevocable separation of peoples, it would be there, will be in the East of Ukraine, if the Kiev authorities do not take up the people's militia.
    1. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 34
      0
      yes, but she will take it and it will end with a bunch of refugees and the Kosovo option, the losers move from houses and apartments to barracks in a neighboring friendly country.
  21. Per se.
    Per se. 27 May 2014 19: 39
    +9
    The fate of Novorossia: several scenarios for the development of the civil war in Ukraine
    What scenarios can there be? Without Russia's help, the fate of Novorossiya is unlikely to be joyful, everything will be drowned in blood, crushed, and not without the intervention of the West. Chocolate Gingerbread has already announced that the timeframe for crushing resistance is being cut. You watch our TV - money for gas, a victory in hockey, only after news from the southeast of Ukraine ... They kill Russians, kill those who want to be with Russia, and we respect the "choice" of Ukraine, everything this farce, you understand, and the US-appointed puppet president. I do not want to think that Russia will leave Novorossia without help, having surrendered its positions in Ukraine to the West, having lost the Russian southeast, Novorossia. Still, are we leaving our own? That's the question.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: stappler
      r and on the television will tell the grandmothers that this was the way to do it, again the wise decision of our government ... after all, this was our dozens of times.

      Quote: Per se.
      Still, do we throw ours? That is the question.

      Pay attention: somehow "suddenly" the phrase stopped repeating: "Russians do not abandon their own." I agree with the brow: There were many statements in Russia on the topic: Southeast, give a signal, and Russia will come to the rescue! And in many ways the reason for the armed uprising of the Southeast is that the South-East believed and hoped for Russia's help. Russia's inaction is very similar to betrayal!
  22. Giant thought
    Giant thought 27 May 2014 19: 47
    +7
    The fate of New Russia is only in the hands of Russia. Without the help of Russia, this new state entity banderlog will crush and destroy, and with it thousands of Russian people. All the same, Russia will have to intervene and protect the Russians, otherwise the Russian authorities risk getting their Maidan, so the Russian leadership will have to choose between bad and very bad. We assume that the ball is on its side, waiting for a choice.
    1. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 38
      0
      "you still have to intervene", who said that ... with a pitchfork on the water ..., they will easily drain, they will already drain, and on TV they will tell the grandmothers that this should have been done, again a wise decision of our government ... after all it was our newest dozen times.
  23. Russ69
    Russ69 27 May 2014 19: 48
    +8
    Militias shelling the junta ...
    1. Orik
      Orik 27 May 2014 20: 34
      +8
      Quote: Russ69
      Militias shelling the junta ...

      Yeah, on them from howitzers, and they from AGS. I do not consider it necessary to send troops of Russia, but to transfer the armament of dill from the warehouses of the Crimea and what has been gently needed from Russia for a long time, you need to make a no-fly zone, medicines, evacuation of children, help in the formation of statehood.
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        1. Black
          Black 27 May 2014 22: 23
          +1
          Quote: Aleksandr65
          But in vain, all the same, he already has a place in the Hague tribunal


          The Hague Tribunal? Now, if he introduces troops, yes.
          In the meantime, not for cho.
  24. Karabin
    Karabin 27 May 2014 19: 49
    +3
    Outside Russia, the Donbass will not be able to exist. Only entry or full control. Other options, in my opinion, are defeat options. Too significant territory, serious players and conditions. South Ossetia and Abkhazia by value did not stand nearby. Crimea had other conditions more favorable for Russia.
  25. marder4
    marder4 27 May 2014 19: 50
    +1
    some not happy scenarios ...
  26. Blondy
    Blondy 27 May 2014 19: 52
    -3
    Quote: saag
    for gas money

    hmm .. you have a strange opinion ... but what do you think: if in a fire of the 3rd world 2/3 of all humanity burns down - is that permissible?
    1. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 40
      +1
      -Vova push the button, one hell no life ...
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 28 May 2014 00: 58
        0
        the troll has no life anywhere
  27. Blondy
    Blondy 27 May 2014 19: 54
    +1
    don't get fooled, today the trolls are released from their cages. the State Department told them: "fas"! and they work out 30 cents ..
  28. Cristall
    Cristall 27 May 2014 20: 02
    +2
    Well, sadly, without support they won't remove the "terrorists" label, they will die and the Ukrainians themselves will consider them bad ..
    Since weakened the info war with the Ukrainian media, no harsh remarks on Russians in Ukraine were heard, the elections passed .. it remains to wait for the last nail in the lid.
  29. saag
    saag 27 May 2014 20: 04
    +1
    Quote: Blondie
    but what do you think: if in a fire the 3rd world burns 2 \ 3 of all mankind

    What is the third world war, no one is going to parry nuclear weapons, you don’t need so much pathos, everything is purely pragmatic, Putin wants to get money for gas, the Americans also want to get money, and also for gas, for the production of which there is a license, to squeeze part of the market from Gazprom in Europe, correct your affairs in this way
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    2. nycsson
      nycsson 27 May 2014 23: 06
      0
      Quote: saag
      to squeeze part of the market in Europe from Gazprom

      Why a part? This is how the cards will fall ........
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  31. zol1
    zol1 27 May 2014 20: 13
    +7
    Political analyst Alexander Dugin shared his thoughts on possible scenarios. We give his opinion.

    “They ask how everything will turn out in the near future. Something is not clear, some is clear.
    The following is clear:

    1. Kiev with Poroshenko has enough forces to occupy the DPR and LPR (subject to the continuation of the Kremlin’s expectant policy). Resistance will remain, those killed will be in the thousands.

    2. Kiev will immediately move to the Crimea. Poroshenko made this clear. Here Russia will have to enter the war. In the conditions of principle more difficult than now. Will Kiev move troops to the Crimea? Definitely yes. Will Russia respond with war? Definitely yes.

    3. If Putin introduces troops now, there is a chance to free Novorossia within a month and a half. With huge costs.

    4. If Putin waits for an attack on Crimea, Novorossia will be liberated with losses disproportionately large and at a longer time.

    5. In the DPR, my comrades are dying. Close. They are killed not only by the neo-Nazis of the junta, but also by Putin's slowness. More precisely, the sixth column, which openly betrays the President, directly sabotaging his decisions and setting him ultimatums. Blood is already in Moscow. Every hour of procrastination is more blood. And if there was at least some decision ahead, one could think about the price of blood. But the fateful inevitability of war lies ahead.

    Dont clear:

    1. How many heroes of the DNI and LC can still hold out in the face of the regular army.

    2. How much Putin will endure in his environment traitors and agents of influence.

    3. How long will our society be in a lethargic dream.
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    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 20: 34
      0
      Quote: zol1
      How long will our society be in a lethargic dream.

      What kind of society is this? Specifically, you can .. (a very familiar call))))
      1. biznaw
        biznaw 28 May 2014 01: 07
        0
        Let me remind you ... from the white-band heroes from the swamp area.
    3. Dock
      Dock 27 May 2014 22: 57
      0
      "Kiev will immediately move to Crimea. Poroshenko made this clear. Here Russia will have to enter the war. In conditions of principle that are more difficult than now. Will Kiev move troops to Crimea? Definitely, yes. Will Russia respond with war? Definitely, yes."
      THIS IS FROM HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTERS. The great commander Parashenko will move his military armada to Russia!
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 08: 52
        +1
        Quote: Doc
        "Kiev will immediately move to the Crimea. Poroshenko made this clear. Here Russia will have to enter the war. In conditions of principle that are more difficult than now. Will Kiev move troops to the Crimea?

        And you immediately believed Porzhenko pindobolu? Well, like small children !?
    4. biznaw
      biznaw 28 May 2014 01: 05
      0
      The junta will never dare to move troops to the Crimea or anywhere else beyond the border post. Neither the junta nor Ketai nor even NATO. What what and Treptow Park and the Reichstag every day reminds them of history lessons. If Euro-Khokhlys all the same decide to attack, it will be a present for the Feisty, and the whole West will breathe a sigh of relief, well, finally exhausted, they no longer knew how to get rid without losing face of Khokhlomor.
  32. Dembel
    Dembel 27 May 2014 20: 16
    +1
    Unfortunately, the leaderships of the DPR and LPR have played too much into yet another version of "independence" and do not fully take into account that in modern conditions, in the absence of their own financial systems in these republics, it will be simply impossible to maintain their independence. And Russia will have to correct the mistakes of the newly appeared clearly unviable without support from outside Novorossiya in the future. While Russia is waiting for a more favorable political situation, but sooner or later it will have to intervene ...
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 27 May 2014 21: 43
      +2
      Quote: Dembel
      Unfortunately, the leadership of the DPR and LPR played too much in the next version of "independence"

      So they have to do it. The position of the Russian Federation is unequivocal - do not join.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 May 2014 08: 58
        +1
        Quote: Karabin
        The position of the Russian Federation is unequivocal - do not attach.

        So what khrena Russian media every now and then reminded that Novorossia-Russian lands, illegally transferred by moronic Bolsheviks to Ukraine?
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 28 May 2014 09: 07
          0
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          So what khrena Russian media every now and then

          And how long has it begun?
          In general, attempts to split the tactics and strategy of government actions on the pages of online forums, it can only be incomparable!
          Well, some of our local strategists.

          Moreover, the position of forum users with nicknames in which there are numbers has become very interesting. Hint of birth year and identification mark at the same time?
  33. sv68
    sv68 27 May 2014 20: 23
    +3
    in conscience and in life, Russia is obliged to all sorts of "world opinions" and to help both openly and tacitly to new states. , sau, guns ... recognized the parasha as a pridedent, why? maybe we will hammer the southeast together with Kiev, we will clean up the places for gas production towers for the states ... politely speaking, the position of our leadership is at least ugly and criminal. keep silent, wait for fascism already at home
    1. stappler
      stappler 27 May 2014 21: 45
      0
      in a word, Mr.
  34. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 20: 31
    +2
    In the meantime, this scenario is valid .. (developed and paid by the State Department) And what should we do guys? The junta is not negotiating .. does not pay debts .. threatens Russia with direct text ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 27 May 2014 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And what do we guys do?

      Something you are limp, sir. There is also "Putin's plan", which you mentioned 100500 times, thought out 7 moves ahead. AND
      The scenario is valid .. (developed and paid by the State Department)
      , so this is part of the congenial plan, and not the result of mediocre (as representatives of the 5th column claim) long-term politics in Ukraine. So we must rely on this Plan.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 22: 18
        -4
        Quote: Karabin
        Something you are limp, sir. There is also "Putin's plan", which you mentioned 100500 times, thought out 7 moves ahead. AND

        There is..! But I just want to quickly ...
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    2. nycsson
      nycsson 27 May 2014 23: 04
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And what do we guys do?

      Chew on the snot! am Soon our tie will be like Saakashvili .......
  35. SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 27 May 2014 20: 36
    +1
    War is always bad. I am afraid that in Ukraine this is a long time.
  36. IgorH
    IgorH 27 May 2014 20: 40
    +4
    Put aside the sobbing "brothers-not brothers" You can look at the existence of the DPR and LPR from the point of view of benefits for the Russian Federation. And the RF, in my opinion, is strategically unprofitable if these new states are suppressed from Kiev. The return of Crimea will not solve the problem of state security. The new government of Kiev will strive to join NATO, and numerous friends will also drag it there. The deployment of NATO missile defense systems, or even a full-fledged contingent of troops on the Russian border is only a matter of time. And no budgetary funds will be enough to build a full-fledged defense system in a short period of time. And what kind of defense, if the missiles are in the Bryansk region. Only perhaps to scare Iskander. It can also be argued that at the moment America has become somewhat brutalized by the position of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, as well as for squeezing the Crimea. So the buildup of military power in this area is obvious. And really to resist this g .... well, only the presence of allied states in the eastern direction can. Once in a year, 39 the USSR took and together with Germany removed the Limitrophes from their borders. Everyone remembers what it turned into.
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 28 May 2014 01: 12
      0
      But who will take them to NATO, do they need a hemorrhoid with inadequacies from law enforcement? It’s one thing to harbor and feed cookies with another thing is seriously spent on the Khokhloma army, with a 100% guarantee of a waste of money.
  37. saag
    saag 27 May 2014 20: 49
    0
    Quote: supertiger21
    you know all the ways out of the crisis

    here’s one such hypothetical one - Putin offers the Burisma company a joint development of the Donetsk deposit, and everything is settled by a wave of a magic wand :-)
    1. matross
      matross 27 May 2014 21: 00
      0
      Quote: saag
      Putin offers the Burisma company a joint development of the Donetsk deposit, and everything, as if by magic, settles down :-)

      You want to measure geopolitics by the standards of bandits from 90's. Incorrect, therefore incorrect. It will not settle down. The parties have wider tasks hi
      1. saag
        saag 27 May 2014 21: 49
        +1
        "All big fortunes were made dishonestly," and these extractive companies like Shell, Chevron, are you guys in the Sunday choir?
    2. kombat58
      kombat58 27 May 2014 21: 39
      0
      And what will Akhmetov be offered!
      Do not rush to conclusions. Geopolitics within the sandbox does not exist. Anyway, outside the kindergarten.
      1. saag
        saag 27 May 2014 21: 48
        0
        Nothing, they will offer to work how he worked, not because of his own coal dispute
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  39. Fevrrr
    Fevrrr 27 May 2014 20: 50
    +7
    Sorry if the button accordion.
    1. nstarinsky
      nstarinsky 28 May 2014 03: 42
      0
      Thanks for the clip. Good guy said. Fair...
  40. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 20: 52
    -1
    Quote: Dembel
    So far, Russia is waiting for a more favorable political situation, but sooner or later it will be necessary to intervene ...

    Yes, we are already interfering .. (not so actively yet, and yet)) Y-G is "targeting" for now .. Indignation by the junta is growing slowly and yet .. I think the goal is Kiev! And all the DPR LPR is just a springboard for a breakthrough .. Let's not rush things ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 27 May 2014 22: 01
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Goal think Kiev!

      That sho trifle! Brussels and Washington. Better yet, Mars.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 22: 34
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Goal think Kiev!

        That sho trifle! Brussels and Washington. Better yet, Mars.

        And it happens with us .. soldier usually))))
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 27 May 2014 22: 51
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          usually))

          Well, if usual, then you have Napoleons.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 27 May 2014 23: 01
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Let's not rush things ..

      Quote: MIKHAN
      That sho trifle! Brussels and Washington. Better yet, Mars.

      Quote: MIKHAN
      And it happens with us .. usually))))

      What to tell you! ........... they are in Africa .........
  41. Petlin
    Petlin 27 May 2014 20: 53
    +5
    They are already shooting at women and children, they are destroying houses, and Putin is still watching how they give orders. And Poroshenko - a secret ukrofashist does not stop, but strengthens the bombing of Donetsk and Lugansk. Only one scenario is needed - first help the military force to force ukrofashists to the world, after closing the gas tap. No money, no gas. The Nazis even more so. After that, help in organizing New Russia.
    Europe needs to be clearly stated. That they were freed from the Nazis. That we have every right to give to pumpkin and ukrofashists.
  42. parus2nik
    parus2nik 27 May 2014 21: 08
    +1
    War to the bitter end... Also two options .. First: it just will not be .. people do not want to fight .. to fight, not to eat sausage and not to smear butter on bread .. to embarrass themselves in everything .. not with the Germans is the war .. with their own , but with your own, like you can agree .. second: the war went to a victorious end, like everything for the sake of victory, everything for the front, in all infringement .. But there is a large group of people who will get tired of it, the same miners .. and will inflict a stab in the back ... So I have dark forebodings .... Remember the USSR, when the sausage was taken during the operation "Perestroika" ... the country collapsed .. And then, the rest of the South-East is silent ... At least the rallies conducted, demanding an end to hostilities .. silently support the junta ..
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    2. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 27 May 2014 21: 17
      +3
      Quote: parus2nik
      And then, the rest of the Southeast is silent ... At least the rallies were held, demanding to end hostilities .. silently support the junta ..

      Yu-V expressed his opinion .. and the rallies were (Maidan is not needed there) Now everything is going according to a different scenario (so that there are fewer civilian casualties ..) Judging by the actions of the militias ... Something serious is planned (judged by our MASS MEDIA..)
  43. vezunchik
    vezunchik 27 May 2014 21: 28
    +6
    On the situation in the city of Slavyansk: "There was a lull in the morning - at night near Semenovka there was a shootout. In the morning we retaliated with mortars at the checkpoint at the turn to Krasny Liman. In general, everything is as usual. “just about.” We do not pay special attention - when they are finally ready - we will understand ourselves. ”At night, they sent reinforcements to Donetsk - the epicenter of hostilities is now shifting there.
    I have no information on downed enemy helicopters.
    We had two lightly wounded in positions yesterday. The numbers of civilian casualties have been clarified - 2 people were killed, 5 were injured in the city itself as a result of shelling. "
    And a few more words about the officers of the Ukrainian army:

    "An officer who fights against his own people and against his convictions is a coward and a fag. A coward - because he fears for" family and retirement "so much that as a result he is ready to leave other people's families orphans. Fagot - because he cowardly and betrayed his people once, he will coward and betray further and further and roll down an inclined plane up to ... One squadron of helicopters, which came over to our side, would have been enough for the Ukrainian army to start falling apart in pieces by itself, and it would have been possible to overthrow the junta and establish a sane power in Kiev within a few months. But the general "amoebicity" of the so-called "officers" allows the ukram to bomb militias and drive to slaughter "snotty conscripts." I hate creatures! They did not have to go to military schools, and in the sewers. "
    Tags: Strelkov Igor Ivanovich, city hero Slavyansk, from the Soviet information bureau, the death of the Bandera bastard!
    Night: "Everything is not important in Donetsk ... I cannot give details yet. But here there was an attack that was very poorly prepared in military terms, which, moreover, was not completed in time by retreating to its original positions ... If I had not I knew that normal people were dying there in a hard real battle, I would have decided that there was a provocation. Alas! "Simplicity is worse than theft."
    Our enemy continues to zero in. Toward evening, he fired direct fire at the city - according to preliminary data, four civilians were killed and somewhat crippled. The fire was conducted in the "sleeping area" - the village of Artema. There are practically no military installations there, and it is "as in the palm of your hand" visible from Karachun, from where howitzers and mortars were thrashed. The worst thing is that all the artillery officers on the Karachun are 100 percent Russian ... And it is they who are the most professional of the entire Ukrainian army who fight to prevent their children and grandchildren from speaking Russian ...

    The day before yesterday I ordered the posting and distribution of leaflets with an appeal to evacuate women and children from the city. He said the same thing in the morning to correspondents of local media on camera. Uselessly. "Until the thunder breaks out ..." It's a pity people. One girl's hand was torn off by a splinter ... But to surrender the city now is to give it "to the stream and plunder" to the most notorious pravosek. Piles of vodka and beer bottles at all posts and positions in the district, people shot in the surrounding villages and zindans in the vicinity of Izium speak about who they are and what they are carrying. "

    And further. It looks like the junta bit a bit. Igor Ivanovich wrote to me like this:
    "I think there will be a fight tomorrow morning."

    Lord Save and save the inhabitants of Slavyansk.
    Save and save the warrior Igor and his squad!
    And give him victory over the enemies!
  44. Russ69
    Russ69 27 May 2014 21: 28
    0
    Fake, not fake?
  45. vezunchik
    vezunchik 27 May 2014 21: 29
    +7
    thanks for the article, this year I’m no longer in stock but retired about the vile and corrupt officers, I completely agree, being a major saw them when I defended the White House at 93 on time to help; the case helped the Muscovite captain to wash because they said that today the assault will not be effective Negotiations. They thought we had a drink and decided to stay at his house for a night. We thought we were going back, but it turned out that everything was blocked, we don’t get in, we were lucky. I saw the hooting riot police, the Muscovites who screamed approvingly after each shot. the future oligarchy with the Americans was preparing the final predatory grab-robbery of the country and the killing of an alpha fighter by snipers for provocation, and so on. Yes, and at the time I had seen enough of the careerists and the scum who weren't wearing epaulettes. , and you can’t even work as an asenezator, but they became colonels and even in Soviet times, and what to say now, now I’m sweeping it all off scale. Respectfully, Major Reserve Boris.
  46. vezunchik
    vezunchik 27 May 2014 21: 31
    +4
    witter.com - twitter.com/dnrpress - At the mine to them. Skochinsky's first shift of miners led by Kovalchuk (the head of the site) refused to go down to the mine. Kovalchuk urged the miners to arm themselves and help supporters of the Donetsk Republic. Kovalchuk left for the Abakumov mine and returned with the miners in several cars - they joined the miners ...
  47. vezunchik
    vezunchik 27 May 2014 21: 32
    0
    The DNR did not sign any ceasefire agreement with the Ukrainian military. This is another Ukrainian lie. Media - Denis Pushilin
  48. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 27 May 2014 21: 32
    +2
    Key tasks (besides the merging process) are:


    1. A full-fledged army - even in the framework of solving problems against a long-standing one. albeit weak. but with the existing one. albeit decrepit, but firepower. - a task requiring a lot of money, supply channels and suppliers spitting on world opinion. UNREAL - especially on the first point
    2. REALLY - given the experience of the Cheka of the revolutionary years
    3. SMALL-REAL - then to expel all and collect cooks with the involvement of those who were former as specialists. way out - a tough ideological leader for 10-15 years for preparing and changing managerial elites
    4. REALLY - negotiate, otherwise - your death. just do not squabble
    5. REALLY ONLY UNDER THE CONSENT OF RUSSIA TO BUY THIS ALL IT WITHOUT A WHOLE WEST AND A HUGE DAMAGE TO ITSELF IN POLITICS AND ECONOMY - otherwise it makes no sense
    CONCLUSION - WITHOUT WIDE SCALE AND OPEN OUR SUPPORT, NOVOROSSIA WILL BE SUPPRESSED.
    ARE WE READY?
  49. saag
    saag 27 May 2014 21: 35
    +7
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Where is the mass support of the population of the southeast?

    This expression in one form or another is already so often repeated that it has become a kind of cliché and begins to live its own life, I'm afraid this may become the very pretext for changing the position of the leadership of the Russian Federation, but oh well, let's return to the question itself, where is the mass support of the population? And what should they support, what idea? Immediately after Crimea, there were Russian flags, the chant "Russia" and it was in the air that they would be annexed like Crimea, then once there were no Russian flags, the flags of the Donetsk Republic appeared, they saw work about the impossibility of joining, so now it was probably believed that Russia will send its troops to the Donetsk Republic and everything will be determined, apparently work has been done on this issue, because they do not believe in it, so what to support, what idea, what to die for in the end? For your own house, but where will this house be?
  50. Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 27 May 2014 21: 39
    +3
    Many friends, many relatives. Some for Russia, others believe propaganda. Some do not hear others and cannot speak the same language. BUT blood makes you think. I hope this helps Ukraine WAKE UP from a zombie sleep.