The new MiG-35 fighter struck Polish pilots

According to the information agency “Russia's Arms”, Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG took part in the Berlin International Aviation and Space Salon ILA-2014, presenting a model of the latest MiG-35 fighter. According to Vladimir Barkovsky, Deputy General Director of RSK MiG, the corporation’s stand was visited by representatives of the Polish Air Force flight crews participating in demonstration flights on ILA-2014 on MiG-29.

“Communication with them turned into a grand presentation of the MiG-35. Polish pilots were surprised and impressed with the combat, tactical and flight characteristics of our new fighter, its ability to operate, - said Barkovsky. “None of the vehicles currently in service with them - not only the MiG-29, but also the American F-16 fighter — do not realize such tactical advantages.”

According to him, developed on the basis of the ship's MiG-29K / KUB, the MiG-35 was the only participant in the tender of the MRCA of India, which fulfilled all its conditions.

In particular, tests were carried out that proved that the aircraft could take off and land at a high-altitude airfield. Meanwhile, some of the bidders refused to participate in these tests.

In addition, Indian pilots successfully fired ground and airborne targets using an onboard radar with an active phased antenna array. Among the advantages of the MiG-35 can also be noted the presence of infrastructure for the operation of MiG aircraft in the territory of a number of states.

According to Sergey Korotkov, Director General of RAC "MiG", the corporation expects to sign a contract with the Russian Defense Ministry for the supply of MiG-35С fighters. Currently, the corporation is working to promote the MiG-35 in countries that are already using other versions of MiG fighters.

Comments

[MOISEY]

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

[SS68SS]

Quote: MOISEY

MIG-35 is an aircraft with great potential, which can and should be realized.

Only the realization of this potential should be controlled by Russia. "Secret" must be somewhere .....

[Thompson]

There is always a secret. All exported planes always have reduced capabilities compared to those accepted in our aircraft

[qwert]

Possessed during the USSR. Now, on the contrary, the Su-30MKI surpassed all aircraft armed with the Russian Federation. Only now planes with similar equipment began to go to our troops. Although I agree, it should not be so.

[0255]

Quote: qwert

Possessed during the USSR. Now, on the contrary, the Su-30MKI surpassed all aircraft armed with the Russian Federation. Only now planes with similar equipment began to go to our troops. Although I agree, it should not be so.

but what was to be done if their Air Force did not have money for airplanes, it was necessary to live on something ... I think that the developments on the Su-30MKI were useful on the modernized Su-27SM, the new Su-35S, Su-30SM and PAK FA.

[aviator_IAS]

Now the arms market is very competitive. It is becoming increasingly difficult to convince the buyer to buy goods of the 2nd grade (with reduced capabilities). If you overdo it - buy from a competitor.

[0255]

Quote: aviator_IAS

Now the arms market is very competitive. It is becoming increasingly difficult to convince the buyer to buy goods of the 2nd grade (with reduced capabilities). If you overdo it - buy from a competitor.

The White House, forcing all its subjects to fly on F-35, does not agree with you

[igor_m_p]

Quote: 0255

The White House, forcing all its subjects to fly on F-35, does not agree with you

And these are the problems of the Indians ...

[voyaka uh]

Especially not forced. The F-35 has a long line of customers.
And she is growing. Its parts are produced simultaneously by factories in a dozen countries.
Neither Eurofighter nor F-18 wants to buy. Time
4th generation is coming to an end.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Thompson

There is always a secret. All exported planes always have reduced capabilities compared to those accepted in our aircraft

And, not just airplanes ...

[Mih]

As Raikin said: cut back, cut back!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Thompson

There is always a secret. All exported planes always have reduced capabilities compared to those accepted in our aircraft

Well, something like that ... yes ... they just can’t shoot at ours, apparently by accident :) :)

[Mih]

Curved barrel aircraft guns? Yes, there is something to it.

[ispaniard]

No matter how hard the Psheks try to get rid of all reminders about the USSR (about Russia), they still cannot. In the absence of missile carriers, they use the F-16 and MiG-29 ... If everything is clear with the former, it is NATO (the Poles are the same "Salt of the Earth" among all NATO member states), then with the MiG-29, why have they not parted for so long ? And the answer is simple in terms of maneuverable combat MIG-29 (not even MIG-35) competes on equal terms with the F-16 (BLOCK 60), the latest modification of the Falcon in some performance characteristics, even surpassing it, plus an important factor - the price of MIGs. So I think the military lobby may well push through the purchase of the MiG-35 (with NATO avionics) for Poland ...

[boom_bah]

Buying planes is not cheap. They still have MiGs, and they fly on them. What, you had to send them for scrap? Yes, and what has it to do with "For lack of missile carriers ..."?

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: boom_bah

Buying aircraft is not cheap pleasure

buying aircraft is not only expensive, but most importantly political. only certain countries can afford the acquisition of military equipment only according to its technical data.

[aksakal]

Quote: boom_bah

They stayed with them MiGs, and they fly on them. And what, it was necessary to send them for scrap?

- a good plane, so they fly. Ours are already almost ripe - they will soon take MiG-35 or MiG-29 SMT (modernized for the Kazakh army). There are simply no equals in terms of the price-fighting qualities ratio, the SU-30 and others are excessive for Kazakhstan

[Tolerast]

Everything is right for the RK, the best options are either the MiG-35 or Grippen. I wonder how much they order? I think 30-40 pieces.

[Kasym]

Aksakal, good day, they have been promising for 5 years already, they will buy something new for the Air Force. But ... Still, a small number of "heavy" is needed. They have "long-range" equipment and weapons. Still, it is 9th in the world in terms of territory. I would take 1 squadron of Su-34s and a couple of Su-35s in addition to the fleet that we have.
And so completely in agreement, the MiG-35 would be so useful to us.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: aksakal

SU-30 and others are redundant for Kazakhstan

They are side by side, if something happens

[Aljavad]

They stayed with them MiGs,

Not only stayed. He also presented his Luftwaffe for a symbolic 1 eureka.
And the Germans loved him.

2004 Article “All the best, Red Diva!”, Flug Revue
For more than 10 years, they served in the German Air Force - the Luftwaffe - the MiG-29 fighters inherited from the National People’s Army of the GDR ... A series of training battles carried out showed a serious advantage of Russian aircraft over their Western counterparts. In particular, the helmet-mounted visor, which turned out to be completely unexpected for the NATO pilots, helped seriously to win ... In the USA, the MiG-29, their flight performance, was always of great interest and admiration ... In accordance with the plans of the NATO command 23 MiG- 29 German Luftwaffe for a symbolic price of 1 euro pass the Polish Air Force. “Flying these cars to Poland and not returning home to them is deadly for the pilot’s heart,” Lieutenant Colonel Tom Khan expressed the feelings of the MiG-29 pilots. For six years he has been flying on the "red diva", that's what the German pilots call these planes with love, and breaking up with this machine is very difficult for him. But an order is an order, and the only thing he and his fellow soldiers can say at this moment: all the best, “red diva”!

[kodxnumx]

Of course I’m not a sales specialist, but the question is, we need to equip such a country with such a level of equipment with technology, let me use used F-16 brooms.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: ispaniard

So I think the military lobby may well push through the purchase of the MIG-35 (with NATO avionics) for Poland ...

The military lobby doesn’t solve anything there. They will buy f-35s

[0255]

Quote: Pilat2009

Quote: ispaniard

So I think the military lobby may well push through the purchase of the MIG-35 (with NATO avionics) for Poland ...

The military lobby doesn’t solve anything there. They will buy f-35s

Recently they wrote that the Poles wanted to buy this flying iron. Did they want to, or did Uncle Sam leave them, poor thing, even a choice between the same Rafals, Eurofighters or the F-15 Silent Eagle?

[Tron]

Quote: ispaniard

in terms of maneuverable combat, the MIG-29 (not even the MIG-35) competes on equal terms with the F-16 (BLOCK 60) last modification

Maybe I'm a layman, but for me the MiG-35 is like a song. A handsome man equipped with powerful weapons.
There would be more of these in our Air Force

[Tron]

Here in this technique, our strength

[Simon]

Handsome, and how proudly takes off! Even the heart rejoices.

[Basarev]

Not such a layman. Personally, I am also a big supporter of the MiG-35 in the ranks of the Russian Air Force. And so I also think that the MiG-35 should be with us as much as possible. There are never too many worthy aircraft!

[Flex]

selling instant 35 pshekami contrary to logic and common sense, they are also NATO and, accordingly, our enemies and by the way I do not understand the program of modernization of NATO mig29

[Repty]

Quote: fleks

fleks Yesterday, 09:34 ↑
selling instant 35 pshekami contrary to logic and common sense, they are also NATO and, accordingly, our enemies and by the way I do not understand the program of modernization of NATO mig29

I fully support you. It is impossible to provide a potential enemy with a first-class military machine.

[yehat]

in potential enemies we have almost all more or less developed countries
to whom to sell equipment and services, if not to them ????
in addition, there is a big difference between the potential for "hostility" between the United States, France, Poland or Hungary.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ispaniard

So I think the military lobby may well push through the purchase of the MIG-35 (with NATO avionics) for Poland ...

Nah ... The staff will not allow it. they will slaughter NATO solidarity, who should be bribed, but this will not be allowed.

[Basarev]

Well, that's great! The Poles will not receive one of our best aircraft, and, accordingly, will not receive the highest technology - including electronics. Yes, perhaps we are lagging behind in civilian terms, but in the field of military electronics we are still in the game!

[armageddon]

Hmm ... Don’t be afraid ... All Export has a secret !!!

[voldmis]

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

Our Air Force needs these light fighters. But, apparently, the heavy ones are still a priority, because our country is just huge ...

[subbtin.725]

Quote: MOISEY

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

AGAIN ALL THE NOSE WAS EASTERED. GLORY TO RUSSIAN WEAPONS!

[patsantre]

So far, only MiG has lost their nose in the Indian tender.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: patsantre

So far, only MiG has lost their nose in the Indian tender.

The French stuck their Rafali on corruption (and not on the option!) It turns out that it is very important in which country the Hindu officer responsible for equipping the armed forces with the weapons studied.

developed on the basis of the ship's MiG-29K / KUB, the MiG-35 was the only bidder in the MRCA of India who fulfilled all its conditions.

[adept666]

Not certainly in that way. Rather, the MiG-35 first won in principle, but the Indians offered to bring the car to other participants. The MiG-35 (apart from the prejudice and lobbying of the paddling pool described above) had quite justified claims, such as an engine resource and an unfinished AFAR (a truncated version of the ZhUK-MAE was presented at the tender in the form of a ZhUK-AE demonstrator, which they promised to bring in case of victory to the initial parameters of the ZhUK-MAE, but with the mass and overall parameters of the ZhUK-AE preserved), it’s clear that the completed AFAR of the French (with 1000 PPM) was better than ours (680PPM).

[Sterlya]

Polish pilots were surprised and amazed by the combat, tactical and aerobatic characteristics of our new fighter, its ability to operate, ”said Barkovsky. “None of the vehicles that they are currently armed with - not only the MiG-29, but also the American F-16 fighter - do not realize such tactical advantages.”

And thought Pshek, affairs ..renova

[0255]

Quote: Sterlya

Polish pilots were surprised and amazed by the combat, tactical and aerobatic characteristics of our new fighter, its ability to operate, ”said Barkovsky. “None of the vehicles that they are currently armed with - not only the MiG-29, but also the American F-16 fighter - do not realize such tactical advantages.”

And thought Pshek, affairs ..renova

And we would still be in the Warsaw Pact - we would fly on new MiGs, and not on a used F-16.

[1812 1945]

Quote: MOISEY

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

Right. Especially - given the difference in price of the Russian MiG - 35 and American counterparts. And taking into account the timing of the adoption of the PAK FA, do not slow down the promotion of MiG and SU projects. Both in Russia and in the foreign market (availability of infrastructure).

[patsantre]

Mmm, and who said that the MiG-35 is cheaper than the last F-16 unit?

[yehat]

Sorry, but the combat effectiveness is not comparable.
if the Mig will cost just close money, it means that it is already better.

[ddmm09]

Unfortunately or fortunately, but only leadership in the military sphere will provide us with peace in our land. So far, our "friends" are in no hurry to leave us alone.

[boom_bah]

Quote: MOISEY

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

Tell me, why is the MiG-29K / KUB so legendary?

[aksakal]

Quote: boom_bah

Tell me, why is the MiG-29K / KUB so legendary?

- the fact that it was created on the basis of the MiG-29 and absorbed all its positive qualities, especially flying and at the same time the MiG-29K / KUB (unlike the MiG-29) is a modern aircraft with modern avionics, electronics and other systems. The MiG-29 is a little outdated in this regard, time does not stand still, especially scientific and technological progress in terms of receiving and processing information (it is clear that these are radars, a computer, a control system) is literally galloping - aviators do not always have time.

[clidon]

So in it is also not clear what is legendary. This word is too pathetic here. Especially for a car that was unlucky to shine in air battles.
Moreover, the Mi-29K is not some kind of revolutionary modernization solution.

[Aljavad]

what's the legend. This word is too pathetic here.

I completely agree: the red word was used for the red word and it is completely inappropriate to call an airplane that not only didn’t fight anywhere, but also did not really serve. Even though he is not bad at all and is very important for the survival of the LEGENDARY company.

[clidon]

MiG-29 fought in Desert Storm, against NATO troops in the Yugoslav conflict. It was also used in the Ethiopian-Eritrean conflict and a dozen of all local clashes and hot spots (in Syria, they are used now). But due to various circumstances, he failed to show off his destructive qualities anywhere.

[Kasym]

Here you, men, "primed" for the word. But nonetheless. The MiG-29 was put into service in the early 80s. At the end of these years it was shown for the first time abroad in England, at Farnborough. They called their airshow "Lost Exhibition" that year, because The MiG-29 has riveted all the attention. MiG-29 set new "frontiers" in performance characteristics and flight capabilities. What was in this class in the West? For 10 tons of empty spring and with 2 engines with an integral fuselage layout, with the ability to work both in the air and on the ground? All training battles followed him (with evidence of photo shooting). As far as I understood, it was enough for "our" pilots (if the enemy was on their tail) to abruptly climb (vertically, by a candle) - the western ones simply fell off.
Only recently, Rafal, Eurofighter, modern. F-18 and F-35. And then with the recommendations not to engage in close combat with the MiG-29. I don’t know, but it seems to me because of the integrated fuselage layout (instability in flight with this design) and the front influx has such an advantage in maneuvering. Bring this aircraft to the MiG-35 (though the glider and wing are slightly different, so it's a figurative expression) and it will pull for another .. And there you look a new LFI will appear. MiG-35 is very relevant, for example, for Kazakhstan. It was an intention from 48 to 96 aircraft. Our pilots fly around 150 hours. in year. They already know what is needed, what is not. I have seen both Poles, and Germans, and everyone else who took this aircraft under the arms of the USSR. All only ... I was sitting on a tablet near the RP at the airfield where foreign students were taught. pilots. Naturally, high officials from these countries came to personally attest to the "abilities" of their cadets. Who was there. From North. Korea to Cuba. According to the Warsaw Pact, all Russians were passable. So here the RP sits and asks the same German colonel. "Well, how is 29?" "Dasis fantastish !!!" And away we go, there are already so many specials. terminology and gestures that you really don't understand. But the fact that Dasis Fantastic is for sure and his eyes are burning . I can attest to this. And if the pilot is confident in his car, then he will do so much.
I don’t know how for anyone, but it is with the MiG-29 and Su-27 that the power of the fighter aircraft of the USSR Air Force is connected, this was a big factor in deterring the "partners". Therefore, for me personally, the MiG-29 is a LEGENDARY vehicle.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Kasym

As far as I understood, it was enough for "our" pilots (if the enemy was on their tail) to abruptly climb (vertically, by a candle) - the western ones simply fell off.

Tell me, ignoramus, in our time it is obligatory to go strictly in the tail? To shoot from a gun?
In my understanding, the battle will not consist of a carousel but of detecting the enemy at the maximum distance and launching missiles. Then, leaving for the air defense cover

[xenod55]

"MIG-35" amazed Polish pilots. "Yes, gentlemen, this machine was created to strike (destroy) not only Polish pilots, but also other" pilots "flying the F-16 and other products of the Western aircraft industry.

[Flex]

right-let the psheks envy - the acquisition of this plane does not shine

[yushch]

Absolutely in the hole.) Well, "Polish aces from the aces", amazed. And STE is worth a lot)))

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The new MiG-35 fighter struck Polish pilots and he didn’t even use his potential!

[capitalist]

Do you rave? ) And this site still made such nonsense in the announcement of the news ..)
To what extent is the MiG-35 a continuation of the DECK aircraft with the letter K and KUB ??? and 27 of the same "specialists" plus ... well ..

[clidon]

The fact that the glider, engines and avionics for the most part he has it from the Mig-29K. The truth is slowly tormenting AFAR for him, last year tests of two cars with ZhUK-A began, but when the series will be foggy.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Words-words. And video in confirmation? So we can say that our Po-2 angichi was recognized as the best strategist in the world. You can draw anything. Neither links, nor video, nor evidence. more precisely, no justifications. I. KAK-B
WE ARE THE 35TH UNTIL THE SERIES.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Poland's strategy? It seems not theirs.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Normal RUSSIAN Fighter.They would handle the high-rise Karachun. Here it would be a song. Yes, it would interfere ...

[Wanderer H7]

if only it weren’t for sale, but you’ll get yourself 10 pieces, for sale -30 ((((

[Wanderer H7]

if only it weren’t for sale, but you’ll get yourself 10 pieces, for sale -30 ((((

[cesar65]

Quote: MOISEY

MIG-35 is the continuation of the legendary MiG-29K / CUBE. The new aircraft was created with great potential, which can and should be realized.

25 years ago I built the first MiG-29K.

[77bob1973]

Let them lick on, they are now destined to fly to recycle from NATO!

[Kent0001]

I would even say not in recyclables but rather in recyclables

[0255]

I read somewhere that the F-16s bought by the Poles were so killed that they had to invest the cost of a new F-16 for the repair of each aircraft

[Pilat2009]

Quote: 0255

I read somewhere that the F-16s bought by the Poles were so killed that they had to invest the cost of a new F-16 for the repair of each aircraft

Cars get for free. Pay only repair and transportation))))
So the Pentagon all BU trash rafts to all countries

[sergey32]

They bent to adversaries

[Gagarin]

"New MiG-35 fighter struck Polish pilots"

If only friends and would not show off - they would still be much struck by ...

[strannik595]

were friends and would not show off - they would still be much struck by ...

........ but they will show off a lot - we’ll hit again

[Aljavad]

If only friends and would not show off - they would still be much struck by ...

And they will be unfriendly and show off - there are many more that will greatly amaze ...

(I beg your pardon from everyone who used to say!
I invented Cheslovo - it was requested!)

[skylare]

Well, maybe now they will think a little bit before expanding the NATO contingent. Although, I doubt something.

[jktu66]

Well, maybe now they will think a little bit before expanding the NATO contingent. Although, I doubt something

This is what Polish Russophobes strive for

Former Polish president and Nobel Peace Prize winner Lech Walesa told the Associated Press that he plans to meet with President Obama during his upcoming visit to Warsaw and convince him to play a more active role as world leader.

Do not hesitate, will continue to subservient to the sashka.

[52]

Poles? Think about it? Even in the nearest historical retrospective I don’t remember that ...

[Gakkoga]

Well done! The aviation industry has been pleasing in recent years.

[tormazok]

Kazakhs are going to buy the Mig-35 and when are we?

[propolsky]

From Russia with love, enjoy the pan and think how to live on and with whom you are on your way: with America, where the hell, or with Russia, which is 600 km away!

[boom_bah]

We have a common border with Poland, actually)

[Giant thought]

It is planned that our aircraft will purchase about one hundred MIG-35. The contract should be signed soon. MIG-35 - the plane is very good, and our Air Force is looking forward to it.

[VladimS]

Quote: 77bob1973

Let them lick on, they are now destined to fly to recycle from NATO!

More likely on a second-hand from amers!

[San_aa]

There is life in the old dog yet. In order for engineering not to freeze, we also need orders from our Armed Forces. To not be like with the T-80 tanks. They armed the floor of the world, but we cannot buy for ourselves.

[jayich]

Maybe all the same t-90? Ours refused to purchase the t-90, while they are modernizing what is, we are waiting for Armata however.

[mig31]

Watch !!! Envy !!!

[Black]

Quote: mig31

Watch !!! Envy !!!

What to envy? The absence thereof in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???
They do not, and we do not have ...- parity!

[oppps]

Do not compare "not in mass production" with just "no" The Poles - just "no"

[Penzyac]

Quote: Chen

Quote: mig31

Watch !!! Envy !!!

What to envy? The absence thereof in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???
They do not, and we do not have ...- parity!

A significant difference: we have every opportunity to produce these aircraft, but they do not. We need only our desire, and they need our consent.

[Jrvin]

But we can create one, and therefore our engineering school has not died and is developing, but what about them? So all the same, +1 in our favor;)

[mig31]

We did, we do and will continue to do what is incomprehensible !!! ??? And people like me, they put on the wing in combat mine ....

[Old shoe]

I’m glad of course for ours, but to compare the MiG-35 with the F-16 is somehow incorrect, in my opinion. This horse is already so old ...

[Aljavad]

but comparing the MiG-35 with the F-16 is somehow incorrect,

Well, compare with the latest F-18 series. It will be correct.

[clidon]

Why is that incorrect? Not much more than the Mig-29, both are 4th-generation machines, both generally designed for similar tasks.
Therefore, it’s quite a rival. Of course, you need to compare the latest modifications. Well, take into account the fact that the Mig-35 is not yet produced and it is not known when it will be.

[Nevsky_ZU]

When Poland will provolit the policy itself; then the Polish pilots will also feel what it is like to be in the MiG-35 cockpit. I understand the pilots, all my life to use the MiG line, and then see a live new version of the model on which you have been flying since the days of the ATS. It’s like seeing a new gadget that you don’t need to retrain and spend a lot of money on ... The line preserves traditions and gives new qualities. But your home country wants to buy F-35, expensive, unfamiliar, and without the ability to look under the lid of the product. Like a rental. Under the supervision of an overseas merchant. Also imposed. This is the price of Russophobia and the rejection of the Slavic Union ...

[supertiger21]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

This is the price of Russophobia and the rejection of the Slavic alliance ...

To be honest, I don’t understand the rather widespread idea of ​​a "Slavic union". Such a nation has not been there for more than 1500 years. If we follow this logic, then the Anglo-Saxons should unite with the Germans, Swedes and the Netherlands into a "German union")))

[kodxnumx]

There is a version of scientists that the German is Slav, I heard on TV more than once!

[Aljavad]

I do not understand the rather widespread idea of ​​a "Slavic union".

The idea of ​​pan-Slavism was actively developed after the First World War. Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia - material embodiment. Today, unfortunately, is not relevant ...

[edeligor]

Anyway, I want to see a new concept car from the legendary corporation. Migovtsy, where is R&D? Show the new RUSSIAN car!

[Anton Gavrilov]

Mig-35 is a new car - there is nothing left of its predecessors, not even a glider.

[Magic archer]

The good news is that there is an afar on Mig !!! A few years ago I read a report in which it was written that in their development we are inferior to both the Americans and the French! But no) look and caught up

[adept666]

AFAR (ZhUK-MA) from Fazatron appeared a year earlier (2005) than the French RBE2 (2006), before that they presented a demonstrator in 2003, but you understand that without similar demonstrators a ready radar in 2005 was available. Phasatron could not have created (just not disclosed). Therefore, the fact that we lagged behind the French is nonsense. They really lagged behind the USA.

[clidon]

In 2005, a demonstrator "ZhUK-MA" appeared. ) Which is actually still not ready for mass production. And it is not known when it will be.
Therefore, we have so far lagged behind the French, and, in fact, are lagging behind. And it’s good if we can catch up in 6-8 years, all the same, the necessary efforts are being made to create such a radar.

[adept666]

ZHUK-MA is not a demonstrator, but a ready-made radar (which naturally would have to be brought up, but this is not a demonstrator), its first prototypes were ready in 2003-2004, despite the fact that the main work on this topic began in 2000, unlike French (those from the mid-90s tried to create). Another thing is that the ZhUK-MA turned out to be too heavy and too big for the MiG-35, so it was reduced to the ZhUK-A (and this was a lightweight, reduced demonstrator with less PPM for participation in the Indian tender under the letter ZhUK-AE, which in case of victory, it would be brought to the stage of mass production with an increased antenna diameter from 500 mm (680PPM) to the standard 688 mm (1016PPM)). Now for mass production. Actually it is established only in the USA. I do not have accurate data on the re-equipment of Rafaley from PFAR to AFAR (maybe you have numbers?). There are radars, but how many were they made? Actually, there is nothing to bet on so far, as soon as the carrier appears, they will bet. In addition to the BEETLE - A, there is a version of AFAR for a heavy aircraft - Н036 (NIIP), the French have no analogue. So there is still the question of who is catching up with whom and who is behind.

[clidon]

According to my data, a real working sample was received only in the year 2006, and even in 2010-11 it was not possible to present a stable working sample to the Indians. The production of modules is still hot at the pilot production with a large yield of rejects and a couple of years it was clear that their serial production (in my opinion, something slipped through the press) will have to be unclear how and when. Actually, including therefore, they order SMT.

The first serial Rafale with AFAR of the French Air Force received a year and a half ago in October 2012. The first squadron of such vehicles was formed at the beginning of 2014. At the end of 2013, the first vehicles with AFAR were to be delivered to the fleet. And the fact that the French do not have a "heavy" analogue - is it clear where to put it?
By the way, the Chinese reported the first serial AFAR for the J-16 in April of this year:
http://vpk.name/news/109901_vvs_kitaya_poluchili_pervuyu_partiyu_istrebitelei_j1
6_s_rls_s_afar.html

[adept666]

A real working sample is a finished working sample (but not stable or incorrect). A demonstrator is when there is a certain apparatus that shows the principle of operation and the main features (which was implemented as a ZhUK-AE). As for the planning program, development is naturally needed here, and it can really be organized and worked out only in mass production, but it is not yet, because there is nowhere to put it. In the United States, even in spite of the already established series of defects in the production of PPM, there are also many. There is nothing to be done about this technology whimsical and complicated, but the development of heterostructural elements (arsenic-galium in particular) has a great reserve for the Russian Federation (Zhorez Alferov - Nobel laureate on this topic). The French first collected their AFARs using anti-aircraft mines from the USA (and this is, frankly, the most key hardware of the AFAR), then they mastered their own production (and most likely they simply established a licensed one).

And the fact that the French have no "heavy" analogue

Yes, but the area of ​​the antenna array for Н036 is not much larger than for the French, and the RFP - 1526 against 1000.

[clidon]

It is difficult for me to say how much the current state of the industrial production of PPM "settled down" in relation to the world norms of marriage. I can only sing like an akyn about what I see - our AFAR has not left the stage of trials and trials for 9 years already, and so far the end of the region is not visible to this process. While the French and even the Chinese have vehicles with AFAR already in service.

PS And who helped Thales with PPM?

[adept666]

But it didn’t settle down with us, I wrote about the USA (they have a large series), we don’t have it, therefore we have more marriage and the cost of one PPM is still higher (in 2007 it was around $ 1000 for one PPM, in while in the USA ~ 500). I just wanted to say that there is a marriage even in the serial production and it is quite high, because manufacturing technology is complex and in order to work it out and reduce the percentage of rejects, a large mass production is needed. Our AFAR has already been 30 years old (with interruptions, of course, in the current state, they returned to the topic in 1999-2000) from the test stage and the reason here is not only related technical problems, but also material ones. If there was a strong-willed decision to put the AFAR on the same Su-35S, then the development of H036 would be more priority than the H035 and the radar would be ready (but considered it redundant and perhaps right, it has advantages over AFAR in some respects). Now the series will only be with PAKFA (but even this moment is just around the corner and the N036 radar in the avionics of this machine is already being actively tested including with the use of weapons, therefore its readiness is high).

French and even Chinese cars with AFAR are already in operation.

At the very beginning of the journey to the French, and even now, cooperation with
Raytheon. As for the Chinese AFAR radar, I honestly do not know, but I think it’s a miracle of judo They love effects and fashionable devices ... While I would be very wary of this "serial" model of the Chinese radio-electronic industry

[clidon]

I meant that our production is still so far from serial (it is experimental) that there is no question of any percentage of marriage and comparison with the world (albeit American mass production). Production is essentially a piece, so what is there to talk about so far.

. If there was a willful decision to put AFAR on the same Su-35S, then the development of H036 would be a priority over H035 and the radar would be ready

Well, it would be if yes ... But in fact, while we are sitting without an AFAR.
As for the PAK FA, I would not run ahead and assume that the AFAR is already in my pocket. Tests, as practice shows, can go on for ten years, and the T-50 program easily slides for a couple of three years of delay ...

The French are at the very beginning of the journey, and even now, cooperation with Raytheon is very helpful.

If possible, what to read about this, I will be glad. For the French just here recently boasted of independence in development. And they seem to be competitors with the Americans ...

As for the Chinese, on the contrary, I heard very high reviews about the state of their military electronics. But the materials and other mechanics were not praised. However, I can not say anything about their AFAR.

[adept666]

Well, it would be if yes ... But in fact, while we are sitting without an AFAR.

How critical is this in this case? We have a wonderful proven PFAR - H035. AFAR will be and there is no doubt about it (or rather, it already exists, but requires refinement). The algorithms of the latest PFAR closely correlate with the AESA algorithms, so there is, in principle, "mathematics", which means that only the hardware part needs to be brought to mind.

If possible, what to read about this, I will be glad.

Type in a search engine: History of the creation of RBE2 - AA. Many sources have this remark: While the first tests were made with US-made transmitter / receivers, the current radar will feature parts manufactured by Thales. There are no direct links to the Raytheon RPM, but these companies have a lot of joint projects in the field of creating radars, etc. systems in the form of an integrated company called ThalesRaytheonSystems, which was formed in June 2001 and it is from this period that the Thales Group finally begins to make progress in the field of AFAR, until this 5-7 years they skidded on the spot is not a name for special successes. Coincidence? Don't think

For the French just here recently boasted of independence in development.

Well, it’s kind of verbiage, because when you make a joint company transatlantic, usually what it produces is considered joint (for example, it is believed that Pratt & Whitney is involved in the creation of the RD-180, but in reality it only takes part in selling it in the United States). So here, the participation of the Thales Group in ThalesRaytheonSystems automatically makes the first co-author of everything that the second produces.

And they seem to be competitors with the Americans ...

As paradoxical as it may sound, it is far from the case. And there are several reasons for this: Trick - 1: The ability to bypass the law (there are a large number of restrictions on the export of defense products, and even electronic components in the United States, therefore only the US market is open for Raytheon, and it is closed for Thales, but with the rest markets, everything is exactly the opposite, therefore "friendship" allows the first to push through the second its prohibited products, which are produced under license in Europe to the whole world, and for the second through the first to enter the US market.) Trick - 2: Keep your friends close, and enemies even closer (roughly speaking, giving Raytheon technology for free restrains the development of its own key components such as PPM from its main competitor, Thales, while getting good money for a license, and also has the opportunity to get access to something interesting by Thales and their European friends, the latter, of course, also pursues similar goals, but it is catching up and therefore Raytheon is here DAD). Trick - 3: Two industry leaders in the same team - this is one huge undisputed leader, which no one can move from the pedestal anytime soon.

As for the Chinese, on the contrary, I heard very high reviews about the state of their military electronics.

From whom?

[clidon]

How critical is this in this case?

Critical in the current conditions for us, perhaps only the lack of nuclear weapons. And so, there is a serious lag in the first place from the United States and it needs to be eliminated.
As for "just bring", I already wrote above, so we'll get a series and then we'll talk. Too often I have come across the fact that the "last step" can be difficult. Sometimes just incompatible with life. Up to sending the device for a complete overhaul.

Type in a search engine: History of the creation of RBE2 - AA.

Thanks, I’ll look and read. Interesting topic.

From whom?

I had a chance to communicate with a comrade who served as a deputy for intelligence of one of the Far Eastern armies (he was demobilized a year ago). In particular, he was responsible for radio engineering (up to watching Chinese TV and listening to the radio)). So he highly appreciated the level of Chinese electronics, which before his eyes had grown "in general, already higher than ours." Although I finished "Shot" and got acquainted with promising models. It was, of course, not about radar, but about communication systems.
The truth about the general state of the Chinese Armed Forces in the northern districts, he spoke in the style: "In general, it is the same mess as ours" ...

[adept666]

As for "just bring", I already wrote above, so we'll get a series and then we'll talk.

AFAR already exists. A pilot line for assembly, adjustment, testing and serial production of AFAR microwave submodules was built in FSUE Scientific and Industrial Enterprise Istok in 2010. It has a capacity of 100 thousand modules per year (this is of course very small, but there is already a small batch At present, the Sh-121 is most fully tested on the PAKFA T-50-5 (a five-antenna system, before that on the T-50-3 and T-50-4 since 2012 its individual components were tested and, first of all, the H036- 01-1, and since they have assembled the entire complex of 5 antennas and are testing it, it means that Н036-01-1 has already been brought to the required level and as soon as the first serial PAKFA aircraft appear, they will install a ready-made radar). Therefore, your statements do not correspond a little the achieved practical results.When I said to bring the hardware part, I meant exactly the entire radar (all five antennas as one, so now it is being brought up by pulling up the "mathematics")

It was, of course, not about the radar, but about communication systems.

Well, so they have 80% of the entire world’s electronics for communication (either packed), but electronics for communications and electronics for radars are two completely different topics, and creating a good AFAR by jumping over the VFAR with electronic scanning of the beam, in principle, the task from the discharge is to fly to the moon plant potatoes there (figuratively speaking ).

[clidon]

AFAR is already there.

I do not have as much awareness on this topic as you do, maybe it is actually all that good. However, I look out of the corner of my eye that they promised to use the weapon back in 2011 (and in 2013, a series of troops), then in 2012 on 3-4 glider, then "waiting for a full board" in 2013, then "the end of 2013" and now in 2014m. This is despite the fact that everything seems to be there, but everything does not go like that.
Yes, and I would be a little more careful with the logic (I would not like, in any case, to switch to mentoring notes), because it is the case when "the product is shaken from above, and the result floats" by no means fits. If you put 5 antennas, then this does not mean that you have passed some stage. This means that the management received a report "put five, adjustment is in progress!" I faced it more than once at work. )
Unless you are actually aware of the project "from the inside", then I have nothing to object.

I know well that communications and radar are different things, but in fact there are many ways to dramatically bridge the gap - at least buy technology, steal technology ..
In the end, the United States also did not put PFAR on fighters, and the Chinese are already working with large-sized AFARs in the Navy.

[adept666]

However, I look so out of the corner of my eye that they promised to use weapons back in 2011 (and in the 2013 series in the army)

The fact is that the use of weapons depends not only on the radar, there are many nuances associated with the glider, mounting, pairing of weapons with sighting systems (the samples themselves must understand that the radar or radar protection system gives them, i.e. they must be ready to be applied ) Nobody will use weapons without the tried and tested performance characteristics of the machine, i.e. the willingness to use weapons does not directly depend on the readiness of the radar. But actually the question is, who promised the use of weapons in 2011? Is there any reference to what Mikhail Aslanovich, Davydenko said, or who else is the initiate? In 2011, they promised to supply the radar - it was, but did not, because there were technical difficulties (and not so much with the radar itself as with its INSTALLATION on board, at that time 3 ready-made radar systems had already been tested on ground stands for two years) but to date overcome. Lagging in the area of ​​5-6 months on radar, for equipment of this level is actually a record for meeting deadlines (if you know what I mean).

and in 2013 the series in the troops

The main problem is the engines. And also not the readiness of their mass production. Here, whoever says that the backlog is serious. Initially, the project did not have anyone in the first stage ... the second stage ...

"waiting for a full board" in 2013, then "end of 2013"

The most complete board of the T-50-5 took off on October 27, 2013 and this became possible only thanks to the appearance of stages in the creation of the engine. Those. The lag of 2-3 years was cut with the advent of the first stage engine as a regular one, and not as experimental for testing. That's such magic ...

[navara399]

This will end. Poles will not be given the go-ahead to purchase Russian equipment. They will shove in NATO.

[zao74]

Our defense industry very often leaves everyone "overboard", and now we have enough funds to integrate into our army ... We are growing!

[jktu66]

Polish pilots were surprised and amazed by the combat, tactical and aerobatic characteristics of our new fighter,

Do not sell to the Poles !! They will clone, and our military monuments will continue to destroy. Traders

[Aljavad]

Will clone

They’re not round in their nose! Cloning them - even for the EU - is a feat of engineering. Polish aircraft industry - at the level of the beginning. 1960s

[Flinky]

F-16 is the same junk. Why compare with him?

[qwert]

Minusanulyu guy in vain. F-16 and the truth is OLD. But the Poles talked about the F-16 BLOCK52. New modification with new features. But with so much with the new possibilities of working on the ground. And as a fighter of air combat, the new F-16 didn’t get any better, in this role it’s old)))

[Tolerast]

Old stuff? The F-16 line blooms and smells. They will fly and upgrade for another 20-25 years. A very good machine. And how many of them were riveted ... Rather, the F-35 program will be covered with a copper basin than the F-16 Block ... will lose its relevance. But it is incorrect to compare it with the MiG-35. Our fighter is still not quite "light".

[dmitrij.blyuz]

And I agree. Why are we worse. Maybe better?TRUTH IS SMALL. NATURAL.

[rasputin17]

Russian weapons are on top as always! And for many unattainable !!! As long as there is a MIG fate in the world Fantom is trying to catch up with him at least in something !! And to compare them according to the criterion "price-quality" is simply pointless !!

[jovanni]

Well, you give new cars to the troops! And each pilot gets the qualification of the "Russian Knight", or "Swift"!

[karal]

None of the vehicles that they are currently armed with, not only the MiG-29, but also the American F-16 fighter, realize such tactical advantages. ”

Do the guys seem to be in NATO? Maybe change your mind after all?

[rasputin17]

Not! Not!!! Once they went to NATO, then the road is there for them !!! Let now silently envy and think about what they were going to fly and what to put in contrast!

[papont64]

Poles of NATO, why should they give advanced developments.

[prom]

"MiG-35 hit the Polish pilots" in the sense - hit

[rasputin17]

Quote: Prom

"MiG-35 hit the Polish pilots" in the sense - hit

Yes, not sooner their thoughts arose "Hit!"

[X Y Z]

Sane Poles recognize our fighters and scoff at their own F 16s, which very often remain on the ground due to ridiculous malfunctions, and the insane call everything Russian rusty iron (they scoffed at our IL-62 liner, which, according to them, caused a universal contempt) and are proud that Poland has "real American" fighters.

[nalim]

We looked! Now think about whether you need to deploy Amer’s missile defense?

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: Flinky

F-16 is the same junk. Why compare with him?

And with what else, forgive me for comparison, with fifth-generation fighters, and why they themselves do not fly on them, but sell them to their allies. If the planes were one hundred percent, the Americans would fly on them themselves.

[Wiruz]

I would like to quickly see the MiG-35S in the ranks of the Russian Air Force, but more, more than a hundred, or even two hundred. And then there, Wikipedians have already deleted the article about the MiG-35.

[oppps]

Quote: Wiruz

I would like to quickly see the MiG-35S in the ranks of the Russian Air Force, but more, more than a hundred, or even two hundred. And then there, Wikipedians have already deleted the article about the MiG-35.

I dream of more if honestly. From a thousand ...

[Tolerast]

A thousand only MiG-35 ?! Dreams are certainly good, but for what tasks so many? Take over the world? It’s somehow unfashionable already. It is optimal for Russia to have a fighter fleet at the level of leading countries (China, India). These are approximately 550-700 4+ and 5th generation vehicles. And do not forget about our powerful air defense.

[oppps]

Quote: Tolerast

A thousand only MiG-35 ?! Dreams are certainly good, but for what tasks so many? Take over the world? It’s somehow unfashionable already. It is optimal for Russia to have a fighter fleet at the level of leading countries (China, India). These are approximately 550-700 4+ and 5th generation vehicles. And do not forget about our powerful air defense.

Well, 700 cars in the ranks and another 700 in reserve in oiled paper ...

[Tolerast]

The storage conditions with us are quiet horror ... I naturally cried when I saw what the tens and hundreds of 29th and 31st MiGs that were written off as a reserve turned into. It’s definitely impossible to fly on them. Is it so hard to build hangars Amers even have 50-year-old phantoms at their base in Texas. And most of them are flightable. Life is pain.

[Aljavad]

based in Texas are stored

And in Arizona they’re standing in the open air - and like new! So there is rain once every 10 years.

No need to store long! There, above people write: the aviation industry does not have time for progress. while the series went - the model is out of date. Need to build - current-current for now. And already order a new generation.

[Tolerast]

All right. I saw Arizona too. Sushnyak there ... And we have: rain, snow, hail, cold, heat, liberals, floods ...
And all these joys are on poor birds.

[Aljavad]

700 cars in service and another 700 in reserve in oiled paper

Nuuuu ... Greedy!

[clidon]

A thousand combat vehicles, this is practically the entire tactical aircraft of Russia combined, and not some sort of separate type of vehicles. I think that if the MiG-35s will actually be purchased, then we will talk about a couple of hundreds of such vehicles at most. The machine no matter how cool it will be, but printing a ton of 4+ generation cars when the fifth nose is not very reasonable.
We need a new single-engine "five" fighter, an analogue of the F-35, only most likely without the UVVP option and possibly without the "sea".

[Tolerast]

I think 130-140. Not more. Still, he is not a priority.

[teron]

Bring to mind, mass-build for your Air Force, dozens (preferably hundreds) of units put into operation. You don’t need to worry about the Poles, they will buy what they say, and this will certainly not be our technology.

[askort154]

Pilots, they are also in "Africa" ​​- pilots. I remembered how in the early 70s, we retrained at the SHVLP in Ulyanovsk, and pilots from the social services were retrained there. countries of the Warsaw Treaty. One day, colleagues from Poland were at a nearby table in a restaurant. After the first receptions "on the chest", a diplomatic exchange of courtesies began, then stoppers .... It ended with the Poles
persistently began to persuade us - "let's fly together tomorrow to bomb West Germany."
We fraternally agreed with them, knowing that the dope of our stoppers is valid only until the morning.

[Aljavad]

Yeah ... That's the question: who do not like psheks anymore? Us or Hans?

[Tolerast]

I know this for sure from the experience of personal communication (Jews). It is unclear just what they are for?

[andj61]

Quote: Tolerast

I know this for sure from the experience of personal communication (Jews). It is unclear just what they are for?

This is just understandable. Their Poles are most spread rot. So they can’t forgive this. Such are the twists of tolerance.

[Tolerast]

Yeah. The strong is always powerless to blame. Catch a liberal plus. For tolerance, I bite.

[asbaev]

More planes are good and different, let there be plenty to choose from

[marder4]

it’s not entirely clear - will we buy the MiG-35 ourselves or will everything only be exported again?

[Tolerast]

Recently criticized the Migovsky Design Bureau for the lack of new developments and the entire line of heirs of the Mig-29, in particular. For which he received a bunch of cons and not a single intelligible argument. But, looking at this bird, I admit that maybe in some ways I was wrong. With AFAR, the machine will be completely nothing.
Which does not cancel my words criticizing the Mig-29CMT.

[Aljavad]

words criticizing the Mig-29SMT

This is a modernization! And they will always be wise with them: more ammunition, and kerosene, and avionics and everything else to update. And all this on the same glider .. All this took place starting with I-16, but did not learn anything.
It is reassuring that new models are on the way.

[Tolerast]

Well, the 29th is too specific a fighter. It was created to cover the advancing tank columns of the GSVG directly above the battlefield. Hence all its main pros and cons: the high maneuverability required for close air combat, a small radius of action, small combat load, and poor ground work capabilities. SMTshki seriously pulled up in terms of the latter, but the main drawbacks are the same. The possibilities for upgrading the MiG-29 have already reached the limit. MiG-35 is its peak. The truth is very happy AFAR.
Russia now needs much more heavy fighters with long-range missiles. And the 35th can be used on local theater. In the South or the ruin.
PS. I can be mistaken - just the opinion of a liberalist.

[clidon]

It was created as a tactical fighter, and on a competitive basis with the Su-27. And what happened is what happened. There was no time for rassosolivaniyah (especially since there were problems with the Su-27) and the "as is" option went into production. It was only later that articles about the "front" assignment and the covering of the columns came up. )
AFAR will please when it leaves the state of the prototype, which is carried on exhibitions.

[Tolerast]

I agree, catch a liberal plus. Do you happen to know if the MiG Design Bureau was working on the project of a light single-engine fighter of the 4th generation, the heir to the remarkable MiG-21? That would be a real competitor to the F-16 in the military aviation market. It seems to me that due to the lack of such a machine, we have lost a lot. First of all, in terms of export contracts. If they existed, the design bureau would not look so sad now, and there were a lot of money for new developments.

[clidon]

We did not have such powerful engines as in the United States, therefore, according to the TK, we had to install two. And the MiG-29 actually won, but the shortcomings of this machine made it possible for the Sukhoi Design Bureau to insist on the possibility of "correcting mistakes" on the T-10 and actually create a heavy machine, which was adopted by the Air Force and Air Defense.
They began to modernize the MiG-29, but with the collapse of the USSR, everything slowed down and it abruptly went into the shadow of the "dry". The small resources of the engines and the airframe played strongly against him, so the car was greeted cool on the market.

[Tolerast]

Thank you. Yes, the Falcon engine got powerful. General Dynamics doesn’t. But Falcons crash quite often.

[Kasym]

Probably for the fact that in the West more MiG became famous. Can you name something better in this class? And the argument will drag on to ...
If the MiG-35 goes into production. I assure you there are buyers. Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan have been asking for a long time.

[Tolerast]

Rafal is gorgeous, but obscenely expensive and not popular. Grippen would suit you well, but it is no better than 35, and there are different nuances with the Swedes. So "there is only MiG!"

[kodxnumx]

I think, with due attention from the state, the MIG corporation does not disappoint, I admire such creations of the MIG as the MIG-31 for so many years and it is not surpassed by anyone!

[cerbuk6155]

Great plane. But to the Poles, I would never sell such equipment. I will not continue to write, otherwise they will delete it again.

[sv68]

Poles-parasitic parasites therefore, the MiG35 and struck them, deserved

[Lyton]

Quote: papont64

Poles of NATO, why should they give advanced developments.

I also don’t understand why we need to work for them, we need to supply more to our troops, and their estimates are not expensive, the main thing is that our guys would be confident in their cars and fly on the best.

[air wolf]

Only the price tag for their own would be lower, so that more!

[Pesnyadv]

It’s not a military man.
But in my heart and soul I FEEL that OUR is the most !!!

[raven75]

The admiration of the pshek is understandable. When, after a Gorbachev drape from Eastern Europe, the West tucked in there, conducted training fights between the remaining Soviet 29 and the vaunted, publicized American fighters ... The Polish pilot 29 immediately hit the American tail, in real life it was necessary to launch a rocket.

[Yugra]

I thought I hit the Polish pilots with rockets to death, and so ... But anyway, let them be afraid

[max422]

The new MiG-35 fighter hit Polish pilots.

when will they hit junta pilots already?

[CadetXXX]

Not figs to deliver it to them, looked at what they could fly and that's enough, let them spend the loot on Amer F35, and we will be on our Su 35

[jekasimf]

I don’t drive something. Do they have engines without a thrust vector ??

[adept666]

Nozzle with OVT is an option, you can bet, but you can not.

[kartalovkolya]

It was a wonderful car that the Western press wrote about it, that it surpasses everything that has been built in the world in its qualities, the French enthusiastically said that it was almost a UFO in terms of maneuverability!

[adept666]

If you are talking about the latest air shows, then they compared it with a UFO Su-35S.

[kartalovkolya]

But I didn’t write about the F-35, but what difference does the Su-35 have in any configuration of the Su-35!

[adept666]

There is a difference, the first prototypes of the Su-35 and Su-35S are largely different machines. 1: The glider has been changed (the final version has no PGO and brake flap) 2: New modern avionics 3: New engines. 4: axisymmetric all-aspect nozzle (previously it was deflectable only in the vertical plane) 5: Wider use of composite materials in the airframe. But actually, at first I thought that you were commenting on the article (respectively, the MiG-35), now I ran through the comments even higher and saw the post of Cadet XXX.

[goose]

Quote: adept666

A really working sample is a finished working one (but not stable or not correctly). A demonstrator is when there is a certain apparatus that shows the very principle of operation and the main capabilities (which was implemented in the form of BEETLE-AE). As for the PPM, then, naturally, testing is needed, but this can really be organized and worked out only in mass production, but it is not yet there, because there is nowhere to put it. In the USA, there are still a lot of defects in the production of PPM even despite the already settled series of defects. There is nothing you can do about the technology, capricious and complex, but the Russian Federation has a great deal of work in mastering heterostructural elements (Arsend-Galiev in particular) (Zhores Alferov - Nobel laureate on this topic). The French first assembled their AFAR using PPMs from the USA (and this is, let's face it, the most key hardware part of AFAR), then mastered their own production (and most likely just established a licensed one). And the fact that the French do not have a "heavy" analogue Yes, but the area of ​​the antenna array of the Н036 is not much larger than that of the French, and the PPM is 1526 against 1000.

In the theory of building AFAR, we have no equal for a long time, but in the production technology of phase shifters, emitters, etc. - due to the lack of investment of a sufficient amount of funds, everything stalls. The same theory lives on a starvation diet due to lack of exploitation. And this, in the future, can lead to sad consequences. The problem with specialist technologists, as in view of the meager production volume, only scientific interest remains.
And by the way, the amount of MRP is not the area of ​​the antenna. This is one of the parameters that affects energy and other characteristics in general, and by no means in proportion.

I suspect that the MiG-35 did not pull precisely the energy of a specific antenna with a large number of APMs. Perhaps, after refinement of the MRP, software, and other elements themselves, these requirements would be optimized for the MiG with the maximum possible number of MRP.

But ... the production base needs to be raised, without this one can not even think about the serial production of AFAR.

[adept666]

The problem with specialist technologists, as in view of the meager production volume, only scientific interest remains.

Yes, such a problem has a place to be, but not everything is so sad, at least one version of the radar is part of a multi-billion dollar order (H036 for PAKFA). Plus, please note that we have two cantors of AFAR (essentially competitors), and in France, one is united. So with the base, in principle, we are fine. There is no specific order for which you need to prepare a series, but without a series the technology cannot be worked out and this is the main problem. In the USA, they have been using AFAR for how many years and have just brought it to mind, so just need a series and everything will be.

And by the way, the amount of MRP is not the area of ​​the antenna

Did I say this somewhere? PPM - transceiver module. But if you were able to place 1,5 times more MRP on an antenna of almost the same area, this at least suggests that our MRP are smaller with the same power in the range of 3-7 W (in reality, 5-7 W most likely )

I suspect that the MiG-35 did not pull exactly the energy of a specific antenna

A very dubious statement. Zhuk-M consumes 12 kW, Zhuk-MA (taking into account 1148 PPM * 5W = 5,72 kW, well, even for something else, there is still a margin). The radar turned out to be too heavy and overall, which is why the MiG-35 did not fit.

[raf]

It is advisable to hit not only the pilots, but also the government of the Psheks, as well as all the vandals, desecrating the monuments to Soviet soldiers-liberators !!! And do not sell any Russian weapons to this prostitute country !!!

[Dembel]

I wonder when it will hit the Russian pilots, otherwise all the new items will be exported first.