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About Russian military cultureOur ancestors passed from Moscow to the Pacific Ocean, were able to keep this territory, protect their independence and territorial integrity. And how many times have the enemies, drawn to world domination, stumbled over Russia? The armies of Charles of Sweden, Napoleon and Hitler were defeated by our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. And we are told that our people did not have their own military culture ...


As a rule, people who allow such statements are divided into two categories. The first category says it because of ignorance stories and the culture of our people. The second is from its meanness.

At the same time, it is modestly forgotten that almost every generation in Russia participated in military conflicts and battles ...

It is also silent about the fact that a well-developed domestic competitive culture was widely practiced on the territory of Russia until a certain time.

But besides the now-forgotten Russian fisticuffs, there were cane battles, knife fighting, wrestling, various types of equestrian competitions, a large number of games aimed at developing agility, resourcefulness, speed, strength, mobility and endurance. And all this was cultivated, but not raised to a cult. The Russian competitive tradition, within the framework of youthful fun, developed a boy - a guy - a man physically and psychologically at different stages of age development through single and group games.

Using examples of scientific studies of the phenomenon of fighting artels, our contemporary G. N. Bazlov proved that the competitive tradition for many centuries was an integral part of Russian male culture and included both fistfight and cane and knife fights. The culture of the fighting artels survived until the end of the second millennium and began to fade only in the 50-s.

And the fighting culture of the Cossacks? How many percent of the total number of modern Cossacks know her? How much do they own? But each culture encompasses the knowledge and traditions of previous generations. We are not opposed to a person studying and developing the culture of other nations. But before you learn a foreign language, it would be nice to learn to speak and write in your native.

It’s another thing that at that time, when the well-known combat and sports systems were developing in the East, in our country the development of national combat culture was considered reactionary. At the same time, in some years, for the preservation of the “father’s” checkers, it was possible to land in places not so remote.
However, it should be noted that in the pre-war period, the Soviet form of martial arts, later called “Sambo”, developed. This type of martial art was created on the basis of developing, competing among themselves "synthetic" systems: the CAM school of V. A. Spiridonov and the free-style wrestling school of V. A. Oschepkov, as well as individual techniques and technical elements of the national wrestling peoples of the USSR and foreign martial arts. But the wave of repression did not pass even VA Oschepkova.

The impetus for the revival of domestic martial art served as the Great Patriotic War. Hand-to-hand fights during the Second World War were conducted on the destruction of the enemy using knives, bayonets, shoulder blades, improvised and firearms weapons. The time has come to remember about crawling on crust and about owning a bayonet like Suvorov. The fight dictated its tactics and technique. Success in hand-to-hand combat meant the destruction of the enemy, with the exception of the task of capturing the language ... However, soon both domestic combat experience and melee experience gained during the war turned out to be criminally uncalled for.

How many of our compatriots know the name of the twice Hero of the Soviet Union, Viktor Nikolaevich Leonov, the commander of individual reconnaissance units of the Northern and Pacific fleets? And who knows about the system of preparation for a melee that has passed practice in the crucible of war in the direction of reconnaissance and sabotage activities in the enemy's rear? And who owns it today? There were no failed operations on his account. Only one operation in the port of Wonsan turned into a real legend, during which 140 fighters of the detachment captured 3,5 thousands of Japanese - soldiers, officers ...

But the Russian land was not scanty for its talents and devotees. At the end of 80, we learned about the activities of Aleksei Alekseevich Kadochnikov, who received from the hands of journalists all-Union fame as a developer of the “Russian style” of hand-to-hand combat. Articles in popular publications did not give a true idea of ​​the level of work that was not made to be made public. Meanwhile, the work on the development of A. A. Kadochnikov’s system did not stop.

Thus, in 1987, the Center for Slavic Excellence was created in Krasnodar, a group of specialists of which worked on the creation of promising combat training techniques. Initially, work was carried out with freelance reconnaissance company based on KVVKIURV in the direction of “anti-sabotage protection of missile systems”. Later, the work started continued as part of the Krasnodar Training Center, on the basis of which short-term training was conducted for officers of the special forces units of the GRU. In both centers, A. A. Kadochnikov determined the main directions of development of the combat training system.

Starting work in the 1962 year, A. A. Kadochnikov and until now trains specialists for special forces and officers in military schools of Krasnodar and military units of the Krasnodar garrison. And not the last place in this is given to the preparation for hand-to-hand combat.

The basis of the domestic system of training in the field of hand-to-hand combat is the following tasks: minimizing the power impact of a deliberately stronger enemy and achieving the greatest results of their actions at the lowest possible energy expenditure. Therefore, this system of hand-to-hand combat is formed by the most rational and expedient methods of physical influence on the enemy, as well as tactical and special psychological techniques that contribute to the effectiveness of their use.

Another difference in the method of preparing for hand-to-hand combat is the absence of learned patterns of movements. In this case, the approach to solving an infinitely possible variety of situations in hand-to-hand combat is built on the basis of "principles". And in the description of the process of hand-to-hand combat, the main emphasis is placed on the application of regularities explaining the interaction in the link “control system - controlled object”.

The ideas and developments of A. A. Kadochnikov gave impetus to the development of a number of independent authors ’directions in preparing for hand-to-hand combat, which are currently being developed on the basis of a number of organizations. These are the Center “Modern Direction of Russian Hand-to-Hand Fighting” (SN Bannnikov), the International Federation of Russian Hand-to-Hand Fighting (IG Skobeev), the Interregional Association for the Promotion of Personal Security of Citizens “Master” (EI Miroshnichenkokochenko) and many others. The system of national military culture was developed in the Far East, on the basis of the Vladivostok Federation of Russian Martial Art. The founder and president of the federation is SA Pestov.

Its main goal is the development of national military culture as an integral part of the culture of the Russian people and an effective system of self-defense, the preparation of a physically and spiritually strong new generation of patriots of Russia. Currently, there is a head unit in Vladivostok and a branch in Artem. The Federation is working to open a number of new clubs and sections in other cities of Primorsky Krai. On the basis of the implementation of the Vityazi project, the work is carried out on the complex patriotic education of children and young people of Primorsky Krai, including orphans and children left without parental care.

Since 2009, the department of special training "Medved" has been working, which conducts training programs and seminars for servicemen of special units of the Ministry of Defense of Russia. The interaction with the 14-th obrSpN GRU GSH MO and MRP (42-I obrSpN) of the Russian Navy. Do not forget about the federation and law enforcement officers.

And there is something to share - both in terms of tactical training units, and in terms of fire and special physical training. In particular, the federation has created a method for teaching a person how to optimize mental and physical activity of a person in an extreme situation. S.A. Pestov also developed the author's program of tactical fire training for officers of the operational units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and special services, which received positive feedback from professionals.

Russian military culture is a different facet of a universal system, the range of application of which is very wide: from recreational and general developmental physical exercises to the system of training fighters for special-purpose units. In addition, it should be noted that Russian martial art is not only rational methods and techniques of combat. It is also the history of the victories of our Fatherland, our people, who were so often threatened with enslavement and destruction ... This is part of our culture, which we are obliged to save together and pass on to our descendants.
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  1. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 15 July 2013 09: 09
    +8
    As far as I know, Russian combat systems are superior in effectiveness to their foreign counterparts, but it is a pity that they are not widely used in their homeland.
    1. SIT
      SIT 15 July 2013 09: 56
      14
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      As far as I know, Russian combat systems are superior in efficiency to foreign analogs.

      For thousands of years, when hand-to-hand fighting was the main type of combined arms combat, mankind has tried everything that is possible. Accordingly, no secret and particularly terribly effective RB systems do not exist. All movements, punches, captures, throws are used in all systems. Moreover, if you remove the sports restrictions, then what style the fighter was trained in can be seen only by beginners. In the battle of the masters, only a very trained specialist can understand this. If there is anything secret in the Republic of Belarus, these are the methods for training fighters. Especially when it’s not about sports. Naturally, in wartime this problem is simplified, although its solution is essentially a war crime. The war will write everything ... For the winner.
      1. luiswoo
        luiswoo 15 July 2013 17: 21
        +2
        Quote: SIT
        For thousands of years when hand-to-hand fighting was the main type of combined arms combat, mankind has tried everything that is possible. Accordingly, no secret and particularly terribly effective RB systems do not exist. All movements, punches, captures, throws are used in all systems.

        Uh-huh, only during these thousands of years, under "hand-to-hand combat" was meant a fight with the use of thrust-cutting, chopping and impact-crushing edged weapons in 99.999% of cases.
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 15 July 2013 22: 26
        +2
        Since Russia throughout history fought with both the West and the East and hung everyone up, and "the whole history" meant centuries of hand-to-hand combat, before the massive appearance of "fiery combat", I think that the Russians possessed high-quality hand-to-hand combat techniques so that equally let the yushka and representatives of "martial arts", and lovers of "gentlemen's fights" from the west. By the way, wall-to-wall battles also developed the ability to fight in formation, a comrade's feeling of elbow, and collectivism in battle, so that there were no individual fights, as Hollywood loves to show. "We need one victory, one for all, we will not stand the price!"
    2. Joker
      Joker 15 July 2013 10: 13
      +2
      As far as I know, Russian combat systems are superior in efficiency to foreign analogs.

      And this is all because we have decided to always create things simple and effective at the same time, without any extra peel. Recently I watched a video on this topic; there a former fighter Krapovik opened his martial arts school (unfortunately I don’t remember the name)
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 15 July 2013 12: 37
        +4
        Systems cannot be superior to one another. Superiority depends on who has the best command of the system. I once also admired what the Kadochnikovites showed, and then I looked closely - the show of pure water. Well, I have never seen this in sparring, where everyone immediately switches to something like boxing-karate or pure wrestling, if the fighter is "boarbun" initially. Especially all this crap with contactlessness .. laughter and only.
        1. Massik
          Massik 15 July 2013 16: 22
          +2
          I once also admired what the Kadochnikovites showed, and then I looked closely - the show of pure water. Well, I have never seen this in sparring, where everyone immediately switches to something like boxing-karate or pure wrestling, if the fighter is "boarbun" initially. Especially all this crap with contactlessness .. laughter and nothing more.
          So this is a sport, will you have as if the time in a real battle to fight at least 2-3 minutes ??? Two, three blows either won, or died that's all, you climb and fight, the enemy can stupidly bite your throat, stick your finger in your eye, etc., etc. This is not sparring and not a fight on the street, there are no purely "equals" conditions ...
          1. poquello
            poquello 17 July 2013 02: 07
            +1
            "stick your finger in your eye"

            depending on which finger and which eye
        2. Fetel
          Fetel 15 July 2013 21: 33
          +1
          I once also admired what Kadochnikov showed, and then looked closely - a show of clear water
          - of course, in battle there will be less "pure", canonical movements than in training or demonstration performances. But here a lot depends on the level of the practitioner, it is clear that the master will act equally beautifully during a real fight and in training, and not dump the fight into boxing or wrestling. And a beginner of two or three years of study will do just that.
          As for your statement about contactless combat - I, without knowing the nature of this, would neither laugh nor make loud air shakes.
          But at least take into account that in the first place this is not a combat element, but a special technique for practicing some specific skills of a fighter. In a real fight, contactless combat is of little use, although it can be used by a person with an appropriate level of training.
          Yes, here it says the same thing, I recommend watching from 4.30 http://vk.com/video-2974_164941933

          Sincerely, Vyacheslav, the experience in the Kadochnikov system is five years.

          PS You, I am sure, did not study Kadochnikov's style even for one week, after your comment, I remembered the anecdote "How awful is this Caruso singing, Rabinovich has just sang to me ..." wink
      2. combat192
        combat192 15 July 2013 13: 48
        +3
        For example, BARS (Combat Army System), developed in VA them. M.V. Frunze.
        I don’t know how true it is, but according to one comrade, once at the end of the 90's the BARS decided to earn extra money in fights without rules. It didn’t go beyond once. The organizers said that people pay money for a spectacle, not for a duel ending in one attack.
        1. nnz226
          nnz226 15 July 2013 22: 31
          +3
          In December 1941, the Japanese, who were marching with the squadron, to finish Pearl Harbor, to cheer up (and the pilots were from samurai families mostly) sang the ballad "About a warrior who sacrifices himself", created in memory of those who died in Russian bayonet counterattacks during the defense of Port -Arthur. Apparently the Russian peasants, in 1904, had such a hand-to-hand effect on the "gentle souls" of the samurai that 37 years later they remembered about it.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 15 July 2013 13: 56
        0
        Oleg, Kadochnikov's system - fiction
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 July 2013 14: 41
          +2
          Well, so frankly pour something is not worth it
        2. Fetel
          Fetel 15 July 2013 21: 36
          +1
          Oleg, Kadochnikov's system - fiction
          “How much did you do it yourself that you allow yourself such loud bunches?” Personally, this system in conflict situations twice saved at least my health.
    3. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 15 July 2013 12: 02
      +2
      For some reason, the author did not mention the system of A. Kochergin and his NDK-17 at all. And where is 42 OMRPSpN Pacific Fleet now? Like on about. Russian they are no longer. I know that the 14th brigade has been transferred to Khabarovsk.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 15 July 2013 14: 04
        -3
        Kochergin, Kadochnikov, etc. - This is one big circus.
        1. i.xxx-1971
          i.xxx-1971 15 July 2013 18: 06
          +3
          and the Jews in this circus are clowns.
        2. Fetel
          Fetel 15 July 2013 21: 38
          +2
          Kochergin, Kadochnikov, etc. - This is one big circus.
          - I believe that only a person can speak authoritatively about the circus CLOWN
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 16 July 2013 08: 45
          +2
          Kochergin leads in St. Petersburg and open training. Come and tell his students this in person. They will certainly respect you with sparring, where you can easily show what their training is fiction. I would love to pay to record this exposure.
    4. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru 15 July 2013 12: 02
      +3
      hi

      Russian combat systems outperform foreign counterparts

      I absolutely agree with you, colleague!
      It was not for nothing that until the 60s of the 20 century, even in the Indo army, the main style of hand-to-hand fighting was Russian. Which began to be taught to them by officers of the White Army who emigrated to P. Indostan ...



      Well, and here, as they say, comments are superfluous ...
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 15 July 2013 12: 40
        -1
        Again, a window dressing. Let the boxer break a series of 3-5 strokes a second, and the Kadochnik man will try to break in his strokes. And then, how they beat with a stick at the show - in general, tears. They know how to fall and escort well - I agree.
        1. KuigoroZHIK
          KuigoroZHIK 15 July 2013 12: 52
          +3
          and let the boxer publish letters from "specialists" who will write to him that thanks to his teachings they survived in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other hot spots. And then such letters will be published by Kadochnikov and we will see the difference.
          Contactless combat is a predictor of the Kadochnikov system, but the fact that it is one of the most effective systems for training a fighter is an undeniable truth.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 15 July 2013 14: 11
            0
            Survival in Afghanistan was usually aided by the ability to shoot. And letters - you know how they are written 8))
          2. romb
            romb 15 July 2013 15: 05
            +6
            The fact that martial arts increase the chances of a fighter to survive in the event of fire contact is a myth of the purest water. If you had to choose whom to put in a modern battle:
            a) for a person who is good at handling firearms;
            b) for five or six bull-like athletes.
            That without hesitation would put on the first.
          3. roninas
            roninas 15 July 2013 23: 16
            +3
            Lazha is all, the system of kadochnikov, in particular, in the section "contactless combat" What kind of mysticism ??? Yes, there is a Russian military culture, but there is no single Russian combat system. In 90 years, like mushrooms, all sorts of adherents of "Slavic "Styles. Many indicate fist fights. Well, damn it burned, tovarischi, well, understand and accept that in fist fights for valor it was considered to" hold "a blow, and not dodge it. More or less, let's call them conditionally" Russian fighting styles "began to develop with the development of sambo (of course, I don’t insist) from here such systems as combat sambo, etc., etc., and then, do not confuse sports and military applications. Army systems do not imply long, beautiful, cinematic fights, especially in hand-to-hand combat. Two or three blows, which are guaranteed to bring the enemy out of their formation, there simply may not be enough time for more, using everything that comes to hand. I could develop the topic here for a long time, but I don't really see it meaning..
        2. SIT
          SIT 15 July 2013 13: 28
          +4
          Quote: Mairos
          Let the boxer break through a series of 3-5 strokes a second, and the Kadochnik will try to break in his strokes

          Running in, as well as chisao (sticky hands), is only an exercise for the development of "selfish sensitivity", when the chelas are taught to receive information about the enemy not so much from the eyes as from the body. Such infa reaches the brain much faster than from the eyes. In a real battle, it looks like an instant entrance to the enemy under his very first blow. This is one of the means of implementing the principle of my counterattack begins after the enemy's attack, and ends before it. So there will be no boxing series of 5 strikes, but there will be an entrance with a run-in under the 1st strike and then, depending on the positions of the bodies, work with 9 striking surfaces - feet, knees, elbows, hands, head. With 2 boxing fists, the habit of hiding his head in his hands and a stand where the weight constantly on 2 legs does not shine in such a fight. By the way, this is not about the Kadochnikov system. Run-in is available in almost all eastern systems. The most common example is a Wing Chun wooden mannequin. Less well known is the practice of rolling trees in the forest, moving from one to the next.
          1. romb
            romb 15 July 2013 15: 14
            +2
            There was a case, a fighter from Vin Chun participated in one of the championships of the Republic of Kazakhstan in kickboxing. I did not participate anymore, because quickly realized that his skull was clearly not reinforced concrete.
            1. poquello
              poquello 17 July 2013 02: 35
              +1
              "There was a case, a fighter from Vin Chun participated in one of the championships of the Republic of Kazakhstan in kickboxing. He did not participate anymore, because he quickly realized that his skull was clearly not reinforced concrete."

              and with a shitty reaction "iron shirt" you need to deal with and smash the enemy's fists on your head
          2. roninas
            roninas 15 July 2013 23: 27
            0
            Yes, I see you are an adherent of vin chun. So, I have been practicing for 19 years. Practically everything has been tested - combat sambo, karate, hand-to-hand fighting in the army, after that also hand-to-hand fighting, boxing. Rather big experience. And you know what you endured for yourself? , with well-placed strikes, plus sufficient knowledge and experience in other types of martial arts, little "plays", take my word for it. If I start talking about the "collision" of different systems, and who won in them, the Internet will not be enough. In the army on one of the business trips lived at the stadium, and there they were engaged in locals, wushu and other crap. looking at our training they offered sparring. I will not describe further, probably the section after that closed forever
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 16 July 2013 09: 09
              +2
              There was one such American journalist. He traveled the world and looked for people who knew how to fight. He himself was a judoka and it seems kyokushin more ... in general, not the point. So, among quite extraordinary guys, he was like this - he did not study any style at all. This guy devoted all his training time to practicing one single blow. The trick was that he was looking for ways to accelerate the movement of the fist in every way. He studied physics, mechanics, human biomechanics (the guy was a bespectacled intel) trained ... In general, as a test, he fought in bars. And the bartenders could not recall a single case that he would lose to anyone ...
              Boxing is a refined technique of punching. Brought to almost absolute perfection. But boxing is not a martial art. Yes, in the hall ... Do not tell me what you will do with crushed knuckles? Your knuckles, which quite effectively knocked out the enemy, only your hand is no longer suitable. So you won ... and you are a corpse, if it is not a hall. Martial arts include hand-to-hand combat as part of it, and not the most important one. And boxing is only a sport, although quite effective.
              1. roninas
                roninas 21 July 2013 14: 49
                0
                In my case, boxing is the basis on which all the other skills are superimposed. There are a bunch of ways to hit not with a fist - open palm, the base of the palm. That's who a one-year-old child hit on the face with a thread, or even up to a year old, with a palm. How do they do?)) How does it feel? And imagine the blow of a 90-kilogram man who knows how to beat? Then, about the hands ... in general, those practicing any martial arts have their hands "stuffed" in general. Of course, no one is immune from injuries. In this case, boxing allows at least , learns to move, teaches to feel the distance, or to "break" it when necessary. In a fight, movement is important, especially moving against several opponents, while you have to strike yourself, etc., etc.
          3. poquello
            poquello 17 July 2013 02: 31
            +1
            "there will be an entrance with a run-in under the 1st impact and further, depending on the positions of the bodies, work with 9 impact surfaces - feet, knees, elbows, hands, head."

            I beat him, I hit him with nine surfaces, and he will give it to my head, he will give
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 15 July 2013 14: 11
          -2
          Lavrov. Wondrous tale.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 15 July 2013 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        I absolutely agree with you, colleague!
        It was not for nothing that until the 60s of the 20th century, even in the Indo army, the main style of hand-to-hand fighting was Russian.


        More about this nonsense, plz.

        Let's go to Lavrov with his circus, dismantled a thousand times, also Kadochnikov and Kochergin. There will be a holy trio of the tale of the "Russian battle".
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 16 July 2013 08: 48
        +1
        In what sense is "up to 60s"? The training of the marines, and indeed the physical training of the American army, is now based on what the tsarist officers gave them. Well, as far as Americans are capable of adopting ...
  2. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 15 July 2013 09: 14
    +6
    the majority of young people undergo military training almost daily on benches with beer and vodka
    1. Zhzhuk
      Zhzhuk 15 July 2013 09: 40
      +4
      Well I do not know ... wassat , in my environment I don’t know such people, of course there are supporters, but everyone under the same category is not a correct statement on this issue, on the contrary, even avid drinkers think about it and maybe even stop drinking.
      And as for combat training, young people go through it every day under a barrage of des information and other social technologies, propaganda, etc., there would be no help and you put an end to
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 15 July 2013 10: 00
      +9
      You are deeply mistaken - all fitness centers are filled with youth, full of people go to boxing, sambo, and other martial arts. Yes, not all, but many. It would be wonderful to make those who sit on beer benches. But the trouble is that it is the shop and the can with beer that suit the authorities — for the Russians, of course. Hence, high prices for martial arts sections, even state ones, and not every parent can lay out several thousand a month for their child's classes. If they returned to the Soviet system of youth sports schools and their branches in each district or even a microdistrict, then there would be no beer shops.

      In general, the education of Russian youth should be transferred to paramilitary with the same discipline and training, with a trip to military sports camps in the summer. And everything is mandatory and with payment of 10-20 %% of the total cost (for certain categories - free of charge in general), the rest should be paid by the state, because the education of soldiers, citizens and personalities is in his interests. True, not for the present, whose officials say that the Russian nation does not exist at all, and the Russian language is by law not the mother tongue of any Russian people, but of the future, the Soviet socialist people.
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 15 July 2013 11: 39
        +5
        Quote: Uhe
        In general, the education of Russian youth should be transferred to paramilitary with the same discipline and training, with a trip to military sports camps in the summer. And everything is mandatory and with payment of 10-20 %% of the total cost (for certain categories - free of charge in general), the rest should be paid by the state, because the education of soldiers, citizens and personalities is in his interests.

        +100500 !!! In addition to this, strengthening the FAMILY.
        Unfortunately, while lawyers are in power, they are introducing SJ with the expansion of the foundations. Fortunately, not all medveputes succeed - there is a lot of smoke and stench. Feel free to go.
        1. ed1968
          ed1968 15 July 2013 12: 11
          0
          I don’t know how it is with you, but my son Aikido has been engaged for 5 years not long ago signed up for Muay Thai everyone wants styles to mix zadolbal in the country with his cries to whistle
      2. roninas
        roninas 15 July 2013 23: 32
        0
        I subscribe one hundred percent earlier and "Zarnitsa" was, if anyone knows)))
    3. rolik
      rolik 15 July 2013 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      the majority of young people undergo military training almost daily on benches with beer and vodka

      Forgot your computer with shooters and the Internet with online toys)))))
  3. pawlo77
    pawlo77 15 July 2013 09: 24
    +4
    in the beer and vodka! and even drugs of all kinds of darkness. and if war? who will fight?
    1. kosmos84
      kosmos84 15 July 2013 10: 23
      0
      those who are for 30, a generation of Pepsi is choking on a hill (with rare exceptions)
      1. rolik
        rolik 15 July 2013 11: 51
        +3
        Quote: kosmos84
        those who are for 30, a generation of Pepsi is choking on a hill (with rare exceptions)

        And who will let them go over the hill? They are needed there)))) They will sit here in the apartments and not all. Remember the young guys who went through Chechnya, they’ll definitely go to war. And besides them, many correctly educated young people are growing up, The mindlessness of the 90s is passing. Young people again reach out to gyms, and again begin to understand that without education, no where. And it is very pleasing.
        1. kosmos84
          kosmos84 15 July 2013 12: 27
          0
          Quote: rolik
          . Remember the young guys who went through Chechnya, they’ll definitely go to war

          and they already have 30
          look at the youth, we once thumped and went to the 2-3 sections (gr wrestling and athletics) and now the comp and all-sister stepson is
          1. poquello
            poquello 17 July 2013 03: 03
            +1
            "look at the youth, at one time we both booze and went to 2-3 sections (gr wrestling and athletics)"

            uncomfortable to run after 3 liters of beer - gurgles
  4. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 15 July 2013 09: 26
    +1
    In the city it’s not realistic to find a normal club in hand-to-hand combat, and even more so with Russian military equipment.
    1. atk44849
      atk44849 15 July 2013 09: 45
      +2
      everything is simple. go to serve in the army. there they will teach everything! with respect dmb 89 border troops.
    2. Zhzhuk
      Zhzhuk 15 July 2013 09: 48
      0
      in my city with a population of 100 thousand people, at least I know 4 schools of hand-to-hand fighting, and 1 boxing school, not counting judo, the rest I won’t pronounce some kind of Sinkai, but if you want, you can find literature that’s good for the Internet, and do a little bit of work if there is no desire to especially strain, check out the Zass system is not hand-to-hand combat, but for the development of tendons and strength is quite, but in general if there is a desire, there is always a way ...
    3. rolik
      rolik 15 July 2013 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: Andrey 121
      In the city, it’s not realistic to find a normal club in hand-to-hand combat, and even more so with a Russian combat

      In which city, sorry. If there is no hand-to-hand section (which I strongly doubt). Engage in other martial arts, there are a lot of them. They are all good in their own way. My son went to Taikwon-do; from September he will go to Aikido. Now he wants to study this species and let it study, all this is to the benefit. I don’t press him; 10 years later, after a year or two, he himself, finally, will decide what he will do. And the acquired skills will only help.
    4. Mairos
      Mairos 15 July 2013 12: 42
      0
      Yes, boxing, sambo, the fight can go. Yes, just go to the gym and run - in case of emergency.
    5. Hon
      Hon 15 July 2013 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: Andrey 121
      In the city it’s not realistic to find a normal club in hand-to-hand combat, and even more so with Russian military equipment.

      This is where such a city? By the way, you can just sip iron and rotate on the horizontal bar, also a useful thing.
  5. igor36
    igor36 15 July 2013 10: 01
    +3
    In Japan, judo basic schools are one of the basic subjects. It’s time for us to introduce something similar into schools.
  6. Cpa
    Cpa 15 July 2013 10: 06
    +9
    Russians are born warriors and easily get used to the most terrible fighting realities, quickly adopt someone else's military science. Virtuoso improvisation in battle, in the conditions of a constant lack of forces and means, migrates to the pages of manuals and manuals around the world. It seems to me that Russians subconsciously love to fight, but moral heritage has taught us to proceed from the rule: ... Whoever has a sword with us is from the sword ..., thereby preserving the honor of the ancestors and the future of descendants.
  7. ed65b
    ed65b 15 July 2013 11: 29
    +2
    And we are all karate karate. angry
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 15 July 2013 18: 43
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      And we are all karate karate.

      The good old KVN mentioned the Russian wushu "drunken fist" fellow Judging by the crime statistics "drunken fist", drunken kitchen knife (awl, stick bottle) "are the most effective fighting styles in Russia. smile
  8. honest jew
    honest jew 15 July 2013 11: 39
    +8
    Quote: igor36
    In Japan, judo basic schools are one of the basic subjects. It’s time for us to introduce something similar into schools.



    it's time to introduce Russian Sambo!
    1. bunta
      bunta 15 July 2013 21: 36
      +5
      Quote: Honest Jew
      it's time to introduce Russian Sambo!

      Here are those times. Kharlampiev, creating sambo, studied the national types of wrestling and never positioned sambo as some kind of national variety. On the contrary, it was considered an alloy of physical culture of different nations.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 16 July 2013 11: 12
        0
        Quote: bunta
        Harlampiev, creating sambo, studied national types of wrestling and never positioned sambo as some kind of national variety. On the contrary, it was considered an alloy of physical culture of different nations.

        in fact, he studied the Caucasian styles of wrestling and the Turkic "kures" (kurash, kuras) and other ethnic styles. and based on all this, he created the foundations of sambo. SAMBO is a fusion of various martial arts Soviet peoples, not a "Russian" or "Slavic" kind of struggle.
  9. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 15 July 2013 13: 03
    +3
    The article smiled - the author remembers what he does not remember and draws a conclusion from the series - "before we were hoo".

    In general, we are still hoo even now - without any pseudo-historical "fighting" cultures.
  10. Pimply
    Pimply 15 July 2013 13: 58
    +5
    All "traditional Russian systems" of hand-to-hand combat appeared in the mid-80s - early 90s. What can really be considered an asset is sambo and army hand-to-hand combat. The rest is playing on patriotism and a fake. And even more so - "the Kadochnikov system".
    1. Hon
      Hon 15 July 2013 16: 13
      +2
      Quote: Pimply
      All "traditional Russian systems" of hand-to-hand combat appeared in the mid-80s - early 90s. What can really be considered an asset is sambo and army hand-to-hand combat. The rest is playing on patriotism and a fake. And even more so - "the Kadochnikov system".

      Not quite so, before the revolution schools of fist fighting and wrestling were popular with us. They were more sporting than fighting in nature, since against a man in armor and with weapons, jia-ki’s techniques were not effective. How much these styles differed from modern is difficult to understand now, I think they did not differ much.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 15 July 2013 16: 36
        -2
        There were, and as a rule - in the same vein, and for the most part - foreign ones. Only not of eastern, but of European origin. Boxing, savat, French wrestling, various national techniques (but they basically did not go beyond their regions), even baritsu, created on the basis of ju-jutsu.

        And there was such a trifle as an authorized firearm. Which, you see, is an order of magnitude more effective than all fighting techniques.
      2. bunta
        bunta 15 July 2013 22: 08
        0
        Quote: Hon
        , before the revolution, fist fighting schools were popular with us

        You speak in some very clerical modern language. Then it was called simply - "Mother Moscow beats her darling off her toe." This is the national culture. And it says that the ancient Muscovites really liked to carry out the technique now called the front sweep. (this is according to A. Kharlampiev).
    2. i.xxx-1971
      i.xxx-1971 15 July 2013 18: 12
      0
      but the Jews defeated their enemies for 100 years.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 15 July 2013 20: 01
        0
        I hasten to disappoint - the melee in the Israeli army is almost not given. Considered harmful, prefer to learn shooting. At a certain level, special forces teach her. Krav Maga is a very utilitarian system, such as the Russian hand-to-hand combat system.

        And there are clowns like Kadochnikov in Israel. For example - the combat system "Abir", "Hebrew martial art".

        Did I tell you about the Jews in detail?
        1. Fetel
          Fetel 15 July 2013 21: 44
          0
          And clowns like Kadochnikov
          - a pity that you FEAR saying it in the face to any of Kadochnikov’s followers, or to himself, or his son Arkady Kadochnikov, or to anyone who has been working on his system for at least a couple of years ... You would very quickly understand which of the two of you are Kadochnikov or you are a real clown.
        2. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 16 July 2013 11: 22
          +1
          Pimpled, great answer :)
          Kazakhstan has its own national wrestling kazaksha-kures (kazaksha-kures, literally "wrestling in Kazakh"), it differs little from other Turkic kures / kurash / kuras. This is really an old Turkic single combat, whose historicity no one doubts. But in addition to kures, all sorts of inventors of "ancient" martial arts have appeared in recent decades. Even a la "karate" appeared for horsemen, and it is argued that in the saddle the ancient Kazakhs could beat the enemy with spectacular blows legs and hands. In the movie "Nomad" there was even such an episode))) In short, a mixture of horse riding and karate)))))
          You will not surprise with ordinary kyokushinkai or boxing, but "the ancient, national, unparalleled in the world, the most effective, non-contact, full-contact, philosophical, combat" sport will always find its lover who is ready to pay for participation in such a single combat)
        3. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 20 July 2013 21: 07
          0
          more Ukrainian "combat hopak" add ...
    3. roninas
      roninas 15 July 2013 23: 56
      0
      Pimply, + 10000. In Ukraine, it turns out that there was a combat hopak, from time immemorial, and "the style of the Cossacks-plastuns"
    4. poquello
      poquello 17 July 2013 03: 12
      +1
      "All" traditional Russian systems "of hand-to-hand combat appeared in the mid-80s - early 90s. What can really be considered an asset is sambo and army hand-to-hand combat. The rest is playing on patriotism and fake. And even more so -" system Kadochnikov "."

      heard about the plastuns? NKVD combat system? SMERSH training?
      1. roninas
        roninas 21 July 2013 14: 53
        0
        Quote: poquello
        "All" traditional Russian systems "of hand-to-hand combat appeared in the mid-80s - early 90s. What can really be considered an asset is sambo and army hand-to-hand combat. The rest is playing on patriotism and fake. And even more so -" system Kadochnikov "."

        heard about the plastuns? NKVD combat system? SMERSH training?

        Yes, yes, but I also saw a military hopak myself on TV. Do not be fooled by fairy tales
  11. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 15 July 2013 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: SIT
    Quote: Mairos
    Let the boxer break through a series of 3-5 strokes a second, and the Kadochnik will try to break in his strokes

    Running in, as well as chisao (sticky hands), is only an exercise for the development of "selfish sensitivity", when the chelas are taught to receive information about the enemy not so much from the eyes as from the body. Such infa reaches the brain much faster than from the eyes. In a real battle, it looks like an instant entrance to the enemy under his very first blow. This is one of the means of implementing the principle of my counterattack begins after the enemy's attack, and ends before it. So there will be no boxing series of 5 strikes, but there will be an entrance with a run-in under the 1st strike and then, depending on the positions of the bodies, work with 9 striking surfaces - feet, knees, elbows, hands, head. With 2 boxing fists, the habit of hiding his head in his hands and a stand where the weight constantly on 2 legs does not shine in such a fight. By the way, this is not about the Kadochnikov system. Run-in is available in almost all eastern systems. The most common example is a Wing Chun wooden mannequin. Less well known is the practice of rolling trees in the forest, moving from one to the next.


    ...... guys, well, stop joking and repeating legends, if you raise fights without rules for 92-96 years, then you will just see how representatives of all sorts of aikido, tai chi, etc. This is now all the fighters in the octagon practice Brazilian jujitsu, etc. (styles that were formed precisely under the influence of fights without rules) and then just all sorts of traditionalists climbed a lot, and then the restrictions were less than now (they put teeth there, mom don't cry)
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 15 July 2013 14: 14
      +2
      And usually, boxers with a well-placed strike, fighters, and guys who have a knife or a pipe rule.
    2. roninas
      roninas 15 July 2013 23: 41
      +2
      In the same "fights without rules" there are still rules. Moreover, a one-on-one fight. Of course, you can fill up, and on a stranglehold. On the street, against three or two, how is it? While you will choke one, with another pipe or something else " caresses "and everything will end. There must be maneuverability, speed of movement, blows .. and much more. The bumpy thing says, yes I know myself And beat, and was beaten myself
    3. kroog
      kroog 16 July 2013 02: 56
      -1
      what does the octagon have to do with it? this is a performance !!! yes - with blood, yes - with injuries. but this is a performance, staged.
      1. Rosomaha67
        Rosomaha67 16 July 2013 06: 00
        0
        ..... well, you have already started talking, about the "performance" you tell Fedor and Alexander Emelianenko, I think they will quickly dissuade you. Maybe you are confusing it with American ressling so it's not about him. Octagon is a grid fight named after the shape of the site enclosed by a mesh fence.
  12. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 15 July 2013 14: 28
    +4
    Quote: SIT
    Quote: Mairos
    Let the boxer break through a series of 3-5 strokes a second, and the Kadochnik will try to break in his strokes

    Running in, as well as chisao (sticky hands), is only an exercise for the development of "selfish sensitivity", when the chelas are taught to receive information about the enemy not so much from the eyes as from the body. Such infa reaches the brain much faster than from the eyes. In a real battle, it looks like an instant entrance to the enemy under his very first blow. This is one of the means of implementing the principle of my counterattack begins after the enemy's attack, and ends before it. So there will be no boxing series of 5 strikes, but there will be an entrance with a run-in under the 1st strike and then, depending on the positions of the bodies, work with 9 striking surfaces - feet, knees, elbows, hands, head. With 2 boxing fists, the habit of hiding his head in his hands and a stand where the weight constantly on 2 legs does not shine in such a fight. By the way, this is not about the Kadochnikov system. Run-in is available in almost all eastern systems. The most common example is a Wing Chun wooden mannequin. Less well known is the practice of rolling trees in the forest, moving from one to the next.

    ..... I’m respected, of course, I don’t know what weight you are, but I bet that any CCM (not to mention the Master of Sports) of your weight, from our boxing section, will put you on the floor, you probably forgot who and in what form Sports Bruce Lee adopted the jab technique. I would love to look at your entrance on the first hit. It is only possible in a pazazalovka on aiki to see how students with a fool are beating into the place where the teacher just stood. I wish you success in the development of martial arts and practice more sparring with representatives of other areas, it helps you know .......
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 July 2013 14: 47
      +3
      That's when you meet and spar - then speak. I have more than 7 years of hand-to-hand combat, including 2 years of boxing. God knows what, of course, but with boxers, first-class sportsmen of their weight in sparring, he was more or less normal. Sometimes - I them, sometimes - they me. A guy with one and a half years Kadochnikova tore me up like a tusik heating pad.
      1. romb
        romb 15 July 2013 15: 25
        +2
        Well, it's just a little unlucky for you. A good boxer works wonders! In general, it’s more important than what kind of martial arts you do, and how and with whom.
      2. roninas
        roninas 15 July 2013 23: 46
        -1
        Your fairy tale is Kadochnikov, with all due respect, like aikido. 30-40 years of regular studies. And then something will happen. Kadokhnikov builds his system on physics and human physiology. I do not deny the applied part, but non-contact ... this is from the field miracles about wushu.
  13. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 15 July 2013 15: 23
    +1
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    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 15 July 2013 19: 59
      +1
      I would have also noted him exactly, this old clown is used to the fact that his students themselves fall from his passes, they see and also fall on the street
    2. roninas
      roninas 15 July 2013 23: 51
      +1
      Well, what other examples are needed ???? And there are a lot of such videos on the Internet.
  14. testerman
    testerman 15 July 2013 18: 29
    +1
    Yes, it turned out ugly))))))))))))))))
    Quote: Yarosvet
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  15. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 15 July 2013 20: 11
    +2
    MDA shame in public the teacher himself is to blame.
    In reality, a fight on the street or in battle is very different from cinema scenes - everything is much more prosaic.

    A blow with a brick on the head or a screwdriver in the throat or eye is certainly not beautiful but effective.
    It’s even better to run away in time so as not to bring cases to a criminal article.
    Well, if you are pressed to the wall, use everything that comes to hand a stone, a bottle, keys, a stationery knife.
    It is better to sit alive in the zone than to lie dead in a coffin.
  16. albai
    albai 15 July 2013 20: 15
    +7
    I can’t say for all these newfangled karate, taekwondo aikido, etc. etc., but the old Soviet sambo, wrestling free or classic, it's cool. And we all went to these sections, first like with friends, and then we got involved. Adrenaline, at all these school, district and regional competitions, specifically sausage. The young man was in good condition by the age of 18 physically. Personally, sambo classes especially melee helped a lot. Somehow, at Salang, the policy of reconciliation had already rolled before the conclusion and the darlings had descended from the mountains, like it was standing on the road with its fighters, together with the darlings, and one approaching me deftly twisted the nunchaku and said that you know karate, commander? In response, I don’t know, but I know sambo, show it, and it doesn’t stop twisting in front of my nose, I hit the cheekbone on the machine, the spirit went off the slope with my nunchucks. I only then grabbed my automatic machine, I thought the kapets would be wet from the trunks. And the spirits chorus laughed at their own, and they shook my hand. So, sports and especially YOUR sports should be practiced. They will all respect.
  17. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 15 July 2013 21: 03
    +9
    Forgive me for this koment again. But nebilo nikago Russian battle. Rusichi are just very strong people !!!!!! Remember the life of a Russian village boy? On the little shoulders was a significant share of the economy !!! Father hear cuts and I take! remember? firewood needs at least 10 cubes !!!!! try to cut such a quantity of firewood, bring it. split, it's not for you to knock on tires with a hammer !!!! the cleaver weighs 4-5 kg! And mow the cow with the hay?!?! Have you tried it? 5-7 tons of hay is needed in Siberia. This is Yap Sensei's ass twirls, fulfills the blow, but I didn’t cut hay to the RUSSIAN BABY ... my grandfather will pour such lyuley !!!! karateka is resting !!! But if grandpa gossip whip !!!! Joy full pants !!!! And you will roar around the village. And you will kill the neck. And the entertainment of the village kids ... the nesting of the nests .. the crow's eggs. blackbirds. you get eggs, boil. it seems the most delicious food !!! a strong person does not need any Muay Thai. YES and with a gun, parents were allowed to indulge from 7, or even from 5 years. this is just a tiny fraction of the responsibilities of a village boy. why would a RUSSIAN man have any kind of martial arts if he kills a bull with his fist in the forehead !!!!
  18. bunta
    bunta 15 July 2013 21: 52
    0
    As a system engineer and once a combat sambo trainer, I am satiated when they say "combat system". Moreover, they add to this a national definition. Only culture and physical culture can be national. There is such a systemic culinary lemma - "beer and vodka should be drunk from the water of the region where you live and for you they (like water) will be the best" (it seems Pokhlebkin put forward this).
    So I really like the title of the article. It is culture!
  19. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 July 2013 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    The article smiled - the author remembers what he does not remember and draws a conclusion from the series - "before we were hoo".

    In general, we are still hoo even now - without any pseudo-historical "fighting" cultures.

    In Russian culture, by definition (see article), there was a power component.
    It was called fist fight wall to wall. And honestly, with some
    Of course, of course, with restrictions (they do not beat the speed bump, etc.). There were probably some local schools in the volume of this component. But most importantly, the young man learned to overcome the stress of an open collision. The loss of this in my opinion caused great harm to the mentality.
    Something was possible with the knife too. Since the Slavs used to have men, too, wore a knife (like Caucasians blood feud). It meant technology and
    application culture. How long it lasted and when it was interrupted now, probably no one will say. Although at constant external pressure
    could be long enough.
    I can’t say anything about modern martial arts, because I’m not doing it. And by this I will not shake the air. You can still true. Non-contact effects on humans can only be informational, that is, some kind of hypnosis. But how was the remark
    it is difficult to use in battle, and students, by definition, depend on the teacher.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 July 2013 01: 47
      0
      Quote: Yuri I.
      In Russian culture, by definition (see article), there was a power component.
      It was called fist fight wall to wall. And honestly, with some
      Of course, restrictions, of course (they do not beat the bedridden, etc.)
      It was, only not power (especially no one rocked - life rocked), but an adversarial game.
      During these competitions, the people clutched at the slumber, and walked on the bedridden, as a result of which Catherine2 tried to regulate them, and Alexander1 and Nikolai1 were completely forbidden.

      There were probably some local schools in the volume of this component. But most importantly, the young man learned to overcome the stress of an open collision. The loss of this in my opinion caused great harm to the mentality.
      Schools are Asians, and we fought since childhood - sometimes with bears laughing

      Something was possible with the knife too. Since the Slavs used to have men, too, wore a knife (like Caucasians blood feud). It meant technology and
      application culture. How long it lasted and when it was interrupted now, probably no one will say. Although at constant external pressure
      could be long enough.
      And with a knife, and with any other weapon - pure utilitarianism, without perverts, and for the same reason as the lack of a developed combat system without weapons, one on one.
      Example: 10 men dressed in sheepskin coats converge into a 2-degree frost, which not every saber will cut, the same hats, quilted jackets, with approximately equal physical condition and trying to kill each other with their bare hands - what will happen? Yes, they, under the aforementioned conditions, will be muddied until the end of winter. laughing

      Non-contact effects on humans can only be informational, that is, some kind of hypnosis. But there was a remark
      it is difficult to use in battle, and students, by definition, depend on the teacher.
      Yes, although it is hypothetically possible a non-contact effect of a different plan (an example with a candle extinguishing), but it will not be enough to work it out in modern conditions of life.
      1. poquello
        poquello 17 July 2013 03: 25
        +1
        "non-contact impact of a different plan (example with extinguishing a candle), but it will not be enough to work it out in modern life conditions."

        what are you talking about?
  20. Massik
    Massik 16 July 2013 00: 56
    +1
    We don’t need karate, we don’t need judo here, we only need our reliable, very simple TT ...
    It’s impossible to refute everything laughing
  21. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 16 July 2013 08: 32
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    It was, only not power (especially no one rocked - life rocked), but an adversarial game.

    I talked about the essence and not about the form. Specially of course, basically, nobody
    rocked.

    Quote: Yarosvet
    Schools are Asians, and we fought since childhood - sometimes with bears

    Schools can and loudly said. But the transfer of some skills and techniques
    any was, at least family.
    Quote: Yarosvet
    And on a knife, and on any other weapon - pure utilitarianism, without perversions,

    As I said, every man in the East Slavs had a knife, it requires
    a certain culture and involves the possession of technology. This was during the formation of ancient Russia. How long did anyone last, of course
    will not say.
  22. mars6791
    mars6791 16 July 2013 21: 16
    +1
    do not overestimate the role of boxing in hand-to-hand combat; it is important but not so much. in contrast, take taekwondo, where the role of kicking is elevated to the forefront.
  23. mars6791
    mars6791 16 July 2013 21: 16
    0
    do not overestimate the role of boxing in hand-to-hand combat; it is important but not so much. in contrast, take taekwondo, where the role of kicking is elevated to the forefront.
  24. sso-xnumx
    sso-xnumx 20 July 2013 21: 08
    0
    The dog barks, the wind wears, and the caravan goes ...
  25. mithridate
    mithridate 24 October 2013 18: 06
    0
    in any case, young people should go in for sports, especially military applied